Ego

greybeard wrote:Nasargadatta I am That
Quote from pages 315/6

I self-realization so important?

Answer
Without it you will be consumed by desires and fears, repeating themselves meaninglessly in endless suffering. Most people dont know that there can be an end to pain. But once they have heard the good news, obviously going beyond all strife and struggling is the most urgent task that can be.
You know that you can be free and now its up to you. Either you remain forever hungry and thirsty, longing searching grabbing ever holding ever losing and sorrowing or go out wholeheartedly in search of the state of timeless perfection to which nothing can be added, from which nothing--- taken away.
It it all desires and fears are absent, not because they were given up but because they have lost their meaning.


So far I have been following you. Now what am I expected to do?

Answer
There is nothing you can do. Just be. Do nothing. Be. No climbing mountains and sitting in caves.
I do not even say. “be yourself” since you do not know yourself. Just be.
Having seen that you are neither the “outer” world of percievables, nor the “inner” world of thinkables,
that you are neither mind or body, just be.

Surely there are degrees of realization ?

Answer
There are no steps to self-realization. There is nothing gradual about it. It happens suddenly and is
irreversible. You rotate into a new dimension, seen from which the previous ones are mere abstractions.
Just like on sunrise you see things as they are, so on self-realization you see everything as it is. The world of illusions is left behind.

Nevertheless there is progress?

Answer
There can only be progress in the preparation (sadhana) Realization is sudden. The fruit ripens slowly but falls suddenly and without return

The process so perfectly described. Thank you Greybeard.

devakas wrote:There is one most most valuable tiny moment if found, realized, developed and expanded. The moment between iritation and reaction.

So true Devakas. If we recognise it and wait, and even try to put ourselves in the other person's shoes to figure out why they've behaved the way they did, we can achieve two things, I believe. Find out what it is in our own egos that caused us to react and, hopefully, figure out something of what it is in the other person that caused them to react the way they did also. Patience is a wonderful tool.

Nassim Haramein
Science behind the Unified Field & Its applications.
So whats this video doing on a spiritual thread?
Nassim bridges the gap between science and spirituality very well.
The vacuum is full,
We are bathing in a field which connects everything.
Anyway listen for yourself.

Chris

Awakening from the Egoic Mind-1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JxDc1S5-GQ


Awakening from the Egoic Mind-2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T10QVRxyCvM


Awakening from the Egoic Mind-3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_zFsPb6qwg


Love Always
mudra

My Being, my Ego and I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrZmqIvlPNk


Love Always
mudra

Stop dead in your tracks.
It doesn't matter at all, what you've ever done, or not done.
It doesn't matter how grandiose, self-centered,
arrogant, or neurotic you've ever been.
It doesn't matter how brilliant you've been, or how stupid you've been.
It doesn't matter what you've ever experienced, or not experienced.
It doesn't matter how much good you've ever done, or how much harm you've
ever done, your whole life long.
Nothing that has ever happened to you makes any difference at all.
It doesn't make any difference how many times you've been enlightened, or
not enlightened, or how powerful, profound, or intense those experiences may
have been.
The only thing that matters, that really matters at all,
is whether you are willing to be completely alive, awake and free,
this very moment - this very instant.
The only thing that makes any difference - any difference at all,
is whether you are willing to let go of all mental and emotional -
all historical and future versions of yourself and your life,
and simply be what you are, completely and absolutely, right now.
We are simply awareness - pure, infinite, and wide open.
Our nature is to be unconditionally kind, honest, wise, and sincere,
tender, affectionate, sensitive, and compassionate,
without reservation, right now.
It's the most natural thing in the world,
and there is nothing real in the way.
Everywhere is your home.
Everyone is your lover, your child, your mother, your father, your sister,
and your brother, your best friend. Every one is your own reflection.
Your heart is aching to be What you are,
to be Everything that you are,
on this breath.
Don't put it off another instant.


(Scott Morrison)

Laughing the Ego into the Light - with Scott Grace as Dr. Seuss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH5O3RKkiF0


Love Always
mudra

Thank you mudra for the smile.

Ironically, I was thinking about ego earlier in the day and what a trickster it is.

Adyashanti explains the varios stages of awakening exceedingly well in this audio
Well worth listening to.
Chris

Some things I find helpful in the process of uncovering the Truth which you/we/ are.

Watching something in nature-- something, anything, moving which captures my complete attention, without an internal dialogue commenting, analysing, judging, comparing..
This trains the mind to be relatively still, aware and at peace.

When thoughts come up they tend to be about something or some one else, or critical or praising of the me.
I know my thoughts are concepts, so basically untrue so I don’t buy into them.
They are no what I am thinking about so are not the reality of it.
They are not who I am.

In particular when the thoughts separate me from what I am thinking off
(all thoughts do) particularly in a judgemental way, I surrender the juice I get from them to the Divine.

Of my self I do not have the spiritual power needed to let go of the addiction to these “Im superior or inferior” thoughts.
I am having a love affair with the story of me-- I like it--- I am the centre of the world.

Is that true? Smiling.

The world would exist without my input/opinion would it not?

To the Divine within me, letting go of illusion is effortless, but I have to be serious about wanting to know the Truth.
I have to seriously and without fear, want to know what I am.

Listening to or reading the teaching of those enlightened helps greatly.

Its not about learning more its about releasing.
Enlightenment is not an acquisition-- quite the opposite--- its Self revealing when obstructions in the form of opinions/concepts/belief systems/conditioning are first brought into awareness then released to the care of the Divine.

Questions like "Is that true? What am I? Who is thinking that thought? I find are very helpful.

Chris

greybeard wrote:

Its not about learning more its about releasing.
Enlightenment is not an acquisition-- quite the opposite--- its Self revealing when obstructions in the form of opinions/concepts/belief systems/conditioning are first brought into awareness then released to the care of the Divine.

Chris

This is very wisely worded my friend.

The third ancestor in china, Seng Ts'an, said, "Do not search for the truth; only cease to cherish opinions." If we empty ourselves out, let go, and cease to hold on to our views, the truth will come to us.

Love for You
mudra

This is a very interesting viewpoint of the frequency of The Word that stared creation and much else.
Chris



https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dVUU3p5iHMA

Thanks for the link Grey. I am not singling you out when I throw contrast to your perspective, I respect your insight and depth of awareness which allows me to cover a lot of ground.
In general you are showing how the universe works, with sound and light. This is good! Yet these are just the expressions of the Father that created them. Knowing the Father is key my friend.

The Devils game was to suppress this knowledge as long as he can and then release it, as to take advantage of our awe of the world, then to use all his false religions to give answers to it.

As with the Ego as I understand your concept. If you are not connected with the Fathers plan and how his Son works within our world you will suffer some type of disease.
The Devil is very clever and somehow is using the negative thinking of Ego as part of the dynamic I just explained.

As emptiness can be a useful tool to clean your thoughts, if you continue to have no thoughts of the Father where does that bring you?

Its also very difficult to understand what I'm saying if the possibility of the Devil does not exist. As this is the Crux or the crossroads of our consciousness.

Blessings...

Hi Magamud
thanks for your comments.
You could say that without the Devil we would not have choice or free will for that matter.
Im aware of the good the bad and the ugly within me and its not allways the good thats chosen.
I have learned more from the bad times I brought upon my head than the good results.
Without going into great detail God has saved my sanity through AA and my earthly body on quite a few occasions.
So every day I pray and give thanks to the Love of God that has been shown to me.

Chris

nice

Highest humility if we know the Up, the most top realization, we should take the lower ( humble) the humblest position to go Up. If we do not know what is the way up, we do not know tactics at all, we live blind, many lifetimes....

teachers should be humble, humble and adored by students, ideals for students. And they usually shape a person quickly by showing monsters in us, own devils. :)

regarding sound vibrations the most effective sound is prescribed by Creator in Kali Yuga - maha mantra sound vibration. It should come with awakening and love for every entity increases. sound - flesh

however if we want to approach God it may take long path, but if God wants to see us He has no problem. . We realize his love.

blessings to both

devakas

i would suggest to change the topic to - False Ego. :)

matter = earth, air, fire, water, eather, intelligence, mind, false ego.

3 matter modes - passion - creation, goodness - maintenance, ignorance-destruction

transcendent - individual soul above all three modes, to be above all three

much love

Sri Ramana Maharshi The collected Works.

I keep reading The Agamas chapter and other ones too.
I came across a nice metaphor about how when we carry an empty pot we think we are carrying the space within it.
When the pot is broken where is this space now ( to my mind the space was never separated by the walls of the pot, it was always within and external, never separate, -- non-location. Same with the in-dweller, we just appear to be limited within the confines of the body.

Science is proving what the ancients knew----the space in the atom which is 99.99% of it is all important.

This is a very interesting video.

Chris





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVUU3p5iHMA

David Sereda
recent interview
Some of it takes a lot of believing--- however there is a lot in this.

Chris



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-ckWjyFAts

Awesome Gregg Braden video on the power of the heart to co-create.

I realise it may have been posted before but well worth looking at if you have not viewed it

Chris



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp-P031C4Vg

greybeard wrote:
Awesome Gregg Braden video on the power of the heart to co-create.

I realise it may have been posted before but well worth looking at if you have not viewed it

Chris



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp-P031C4Vg

Thanks for sharing the video.

Thanks for sharing the video.

IMHO the Gregg looks stressed during presentation, it means he tries to sell his opinion to people, it only shows that he is not sure by himself. He doesnt believe that we are souls and not this body, he calls God energies, the Knower of the field, around us electric and magnetic fields and it is offensive, language of emotions feelings are subtle mater coming from mind, created and stimulated and can be in good or bad feelings, actions. He is materialist, so called scientist. To play with language of emotions feelings is dangerous to humans. Make emotions high and you can sell any ideology. It may end up of high emotions high feelings to marsh with Deutschland Uberalles... :) I also remember the day of Sept 11. By the evening most american windows and garage doors decorated with american flag. Kinda support of poor america. Emotions were very high, feelings would match Gregg Heart beat Global Project for sure. He is materialist selling his stuff, confusing people in Milano, adding his new understanding about Jesus and changing Rumi words by striking and changing to Greggs new word Power. Why? He is selling that heart maybe changed in atoms
"Language remembered by ancients" he explains as human feelings. Does it mean we already the species without feelings? We are particles, made from electrical and magnetically energies. Quantum energies we are suggested to change then we will change physical world. We are suggested to change electrical and magnetical energies, strongest in heart and then we will change physics. We are machines he said where magnetic fields are not in brain but in heart. So we can change the body, we can change world. Quantum possibilities of waves and wave theorists world who try to explain consciousness by training people to use heart, emotions even formulas. Welcome to Kali Yuga of everyone declaring Laws of (their) Nature.

New Science and New Spirituality by Gregg Braden. showing 3 experiments that should change 'your' believes to change whole world. Gregg Braden

All I can say with any truth is "I am"
That truth is undefinable and undeniable.
It is a thoughtless awareness
I dont know that God exists as such. ----I do.
There is an knowledge that things only exist because I become aware of them.
When I am not aware of them I have no way of having an experience of them.
Therefore I can say awareness is the essential Truth.
That which I am exists totally independent of any subject object relationship (duality)
It (I) therefore does not need anything that I become aware of, to confirm I exist, including thoughts, experiences, the body
Awareness of being aware is my true identity and I dont even need to be aware of being aware--- Aware is complete as One without a second.

Chris

"Ego" is within the earth or the Garden. This is the balance.
All the confusion within the earth is polarizing the Vedas concepts, disassociating our species.
The Devil knows this and supports it.

Its quite a funk I tell you and quite the balance to manage. Earth and the etherial, freedom and acceptance.

magamud wrote:"Ego" is within the earth or the Garden. This is the balance.
All the confusion within the earth is polarizing the Vedas concepts, disassociating our species.
The Devil knows this and supports it.

Its quite a funk I tell you and quite the balance to manage. Earth and the etherial, freedom and acceptance.

fallen into Maha mud

No Questions No Answers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1IOSxBuI0o


Love Always
mudra