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    Post  HigherLove Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:00 am

    http://www.focm.echapters.com/
    http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2260-rambling-rumbling-in-northern-california
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    "Under Cobb Mountain, a volcano last active about one million years ago, sits the largest single source of geothermal power in the world. The Geysers steam field was the first geothermal power source in the US with development starting in the 1920's. In 1989 the peak generating capacity was about 1,900 megawatts and currently the output is about 1,100 megawatts of electricity from 21 steam-turbine powerplants."

    I am marking this to come back to in a bit, because I am really peeved. The local propoganda is ramping up in support of the geysers. Quite timely. I will retype the letter to the editor (not mine) and then transfer relelvant images and links to this thread.


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    Post  HigherLove Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:28 pm

    I forgot they recently went online, so the letter came up in a search:

    To Friends of Cobb
    By Ron Rose

    Updated: 04/13/2011 05:20:55 PM PDT


    I would like to address the folks of Cobb Mountain, specifically the Friends of Cobb. I truly understand your concerns regarding the steam wells and the drilling and the miscellaneous problems that occur over the period of time, including minor earthquakes.

    In no way is this letter written to hurt anyone's feelings; this is only a factual letter to consider.

    I watched the Planning Commission hearings and the Board of Supervisors appeal hearings and I know exactly what you are saying; but in my particular case a freeway was put in my front yard and then a frontage road that up against my front yard and driveway. But that is considered progress.

    I hate to think that I would have to go to Kelseyville and to Ukiah on the old road, but I truly understand your concerns. But in your particular case if you don't like what you are looking at one way, you have three other ways to look and not see the steam wells. The freeway is in my front yard and that is the way it is and I have no other way to look.

    You live where the steam wells are and have been forever, which is a natural resource in your back yard that you should be proud of in this day and age.

    I believe with the money that Brian Harms is spending in your neighborhood and the fees that he is paying the County of Lake and the future taxes that he will be paying the County of Lake, you need to consider yourself very fortunate that this activity is in your neighborhood with good paying jobs and after all, this was all approved several years ago.

    I believe that under the circumstances the women should be hugging Mr. Harms and all the men should be shaking his hand for what he is doing for your tax base, along with the good jobs in your area in developing a natural resource that is one of the best in the world.

    And as far as valuation goes, you could probably sell your property at a later time, if you so choose, for a good price to someone who will work at the steam wells for a long time. So in all bad there is some very good. I think that everyone should be looking at this with an open mind versus "not in my back yard."

    I believe that you are very fortunate to have this value in your backyard and if you look at it with the thought that the taxes they pay down there on that development area, which is several thousands of dollars per year, which is almost forever, makes the tax base on your property almost a giveaway when it is offset.

    I understand everyone's concerns, but you have to respect Mr. Harms as an individual spending millions of dollars in your neighborhood this day and age. That is a major asset to your community and to the County of Lake.

    Thank you for your thoughts I hope that I have not hurt anyone's feelings. As a resident of Lake County for more than 50 years the steam wells are where they are and are not movable. But you as an individual can sell and move any time you feel like it.

    Thank you for all your consideration and thoughts.

    Ron Rose

    Lakeport

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    Post  HigherLove Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:31 pm


    I am not affiliated with the Friends of Cobb. I am not sure if they know about things like HAARP, Gaia, and so on. The same is true of the writer of the letter to the editor.

    I'll bet back to that between sessions with clients, and/or after work/this weekend. I need to pull in some other stuff.

    Perhaps a letter to the editor of my own...or not. :op
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    Post  HigherLove Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:05 pm

    A small outing today. From my "remembering who i am" thread, this is the place I was talking about: Cobb/Hoberg's. I managed to sneak under fences, through brambles, past no trespassing signs, and around gates to get into my childhood home and take pictures. That is another post for my other thread.

    First things first - via Hwy 175

    Introduction to Cobb / The Geysers

    <a href="https://s835.photobucket.com/albums/zz272/DSummerMan65/?action=view&current=100_3152.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="https://2img.net/h/i835.photobucket.com/albums/zz272/DSummerMan65/100_3152.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>



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    Mother Gaia / Cobb Mountain Rape -



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    My childhood home and set of the Geysers is now a set for movies and a new resort. They remain behind schedule. I used to live behind this lodge.

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    Post  HigherLove Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:08 pm

    Notice the tower. Remember HAARP!!!!!!!!

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    Post  HigherLove Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:10 pm

    HERE IS WHERE PEOPLE FEEL THE QUAKES THE MOST -

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    Post  HigherLove Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:11 pm

    WELCOME TO MIDDLETOWN - 4 miles from Anderson Springs. I lived here from age 9 to 18.

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    Post  HigherLove Fri Apr 15, 2011 4:33 pm

    www.geo-energy.org

    http://www.andersonsprings.org/


    MAN-MADE GEOTHERMAL EARTHQUAKES

    http://www.andersonsprings.org/Earthquakes.html

    Earthquake Damage to Anderson Springs (these are "small" quakes, btw) -

    http://www.andersonsprings.org/DamagePhotos1.html


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    Post  HigherLove Fri Apr 15, 2011 4:46 pm

    Holy cow!

    I just found this thread on Google, searching for information to put in the thread. lol


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    Post  HigherLove Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:27 pm

    While other companies profit and put their names out there, Pacific Gas and Electric (PG&E) controls the distribution. They control the meters. Just a taste of what they are capable of doing. Oh - it was announced today that they would be hiking up gas rates. I wonder if this has to do with offsetting damages from the San Bruno explosion?


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    Post  HigherLove Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:54 pm

    Water for the Old Faithful Geyser of California comes from an underground river. When this water flows over the hot molten magma deep in the earth, it boils and expands and is collected in large cavities. Under tremendous pressure from the heat, and assisted by a constriction of the passage upward, the superheated water is forced through the fissures and fractures and erupts with an outpouring of steam followed by a fulmination of hot dancing water.

    Under normal conditions, the water, the heat and the underground structure all remain constant and for this reason Old Faithful erupts regularly. Conditions which cause deviations from the normal pattern seem to relate to earthquakes. The Old Faithful Geyser of California is proving itself a predictor of quakes.

    Earthquakes


    From two days to two weeks prior to an earthquake, the Old Faithful Geyser of California gives warning by delaying its regular performance from the average thirty minutes to a longer interval. During this prolonged interval, it may send up "splits," small eruptions to no more than two or three feet in height, every few minutes. Finally, after the long delay, a 60-foot column of water and steam shoots upward.

    The Geyser will return to its normal pattern unless interrupted by further tectonic stresses. Several scientists have studied the Geyser and one scientist has set up an infrared heat detector nearby. When the Geyser erupts, the detector is activated and information is relayed into an office where a taped printout automatically records all the eruptions day and night. The scientists then can use such information to determine whether or not Old Faithful's digressions from normal behavior correlate with the advent of an earthquake, and records are kept for future comparisons. The earthquake activity is not located at the Geyser, but within 500 miles or more from the area.

    A scientific study sponsored by the Carnegie Institution of Washington DC, is being conducted in order to document the possible correlation between the Geyser eruptions and earthquake activity.

    http://www.oldfaithfulgeyser.com/information.html


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    Geysers and the Earth's Plumbing Systems

    Introduction

    Geysers are essentially hot springs that become thermodynamically and hydrodynamically unstable. However, geysers are extremely rare on the surface of the earth, indicating that a complex set of parameters must be exactly right for geysers to occur. Figure 1 shows locations and Table 1 lists names of geyser fields of the world. It is worth noting that there are only approximately fifty geyser fields known to exist on earth and around two-thirds of those fifty contain five or fewer active geysers. Yellowstone National Park in Wyoming, U.S.A. has, by nearly an order of magnitude, more geysers than any other field known, and has been the site of extensive study of the properties and characteristics of geysers.

    Because geysers are so rare, there have been several investigations into the conditions that must exist for geyser activity. It has been found that at least three essential conditions must be met, but there are many other contributing factors that influence the type and frequency of eruptions. The basic elements of a geyser are: 1) a water supply, 2) a heat source, and 3) a reservoir and associated plumbing system (Figure 2).

    http://www.umich.edu/~gs265/geysers.html

    There is a generally a strong correlation between earthquake activity and geyser behavior. This phenomena has been observed for centuries, but only recently have the changes in geyser behavior been documented. The 1959 Hegben Lake earthquake has had the most dramatic effect on Yellowstone geysers of any earthquake since the park's discovery (Rhinehart, 1980). Since the epicenter was so close to Yellowstone (only about 50 km away) the effects were significant. Immediately after the earthquake, all the geysers in the park erupted, and the average temperature in geysers and springs increased by an average of 2°C. Some geysers that were previously dormant became active, ostensibly by the opening of sealed channels along planes of weakness, and several active geysers changed their eruptive behavior. However, geyser response to earthquakes seems somewhat variable. Old Faithful in Yellowstone was the only geyser in the park that did not change its eruptive behavior after the Hegben Lake earthquake (Rhinehart, 1980). However, it has responded to several other earthquakes with epicenters much farther away, such as the magnitude 8.4 earthquake in Alaska in 1964. This indicates that the profound changes in geyser activity due to earthquakes are not due to slip along faults so much as by changes in regional strain. Since geysers record earthquake activity in a reasonably consistent manner, there have been several studies on whether geysers could be used as predictors for earthquake activity. Rhinehart (1980) states that in his detailed studies of geysers, there have been no systematic correlations between earthquakes and geyser activity. A more recent study by Silver and Valette-Silver (1992) showed that some geysers in California show changes in observable activity before nearby earthquake activity. They surmise that, although the response of geysers to tectonic strain is not well understood, there are two basic mechanisms by which seismic activity could affect geyser behavior. In the first, changes in the regional strain field change the volumetric flow velocity into the reservoir, thus affecting the interval between geyser eruptions. In another scenario, the permeability of the plumbing system could change due to strain-induced changes in microfractures in the geyser reservoir.
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    Note: Calistoga is near the "Geysers". When people refer to the geysers around here, it is what we used to call "steam wells", back in the late 70s/early 80s.
    This information placed because the two locations are essentially the same.
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    Post  HigherLove Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:09 pm

    MAP 3.9 2011/04/26 17:43:08 38.813 -122.817 3.2 2 km ( 1 mi) NNW of The Geysers, CA
    MAP 1.1 2011/04/26 15:16:41 38.831 -122.828 1.8 4 km ( 3 mi) NNW of The Geysers, CA
    MAP 2.1 2011/04/26 15:00:05 38.836 -122.802 3.0 4 km ( 3 mi) N of The Geysers, CA
    MAP 1.6 2011/04/26 06:04:48 38.776 -122.729 1.9 3 km ( 2 mi) W of Anderson Springs, CA
    MAP 1.5 2011/04/26 05:55:53 38.776 -122.730 2.0 3 km ( 2 mi) W of Anderson Springs, CA
    MAP 1.0 2011/04/26 05:13:38 38.837 -122.802 2.7 4 km ( 3 mi) N of The Geysers, CA



    Magnitude
    3.9

    Date-Time
    Tuesday, April 26, 2011 at 17:43:08 UTC
    Tuesday, April 26, 2011 at 10:43:08 AM at epicenter
    Location
    38.813°N, 122.817°W
    Depth
    3.2 km (2.0 miles)
    Region
    NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
    Distances

    2 km (1 miles) NNW (330°) from The Geysers, CA
    9 km (5 miles) WSW (253°) from Cobb, CA
    12 km (7 miles) WNW (291°) from Anderson Springs, CA
    42 km (26 miles) NNW (346°) from Santa Rosa, CA
    120 km (75 miles) WNW (284°) from Sacramento, CA

    Location Uncertainty
    horizontal +/- 0.1 km (0.1 miles); depth +/- 0.2 km (0.1 miles)
    Parameters
    Nph= 67, Dmin=1 km, Rmss=0.05 sec, Gp= 29°,
    M-type=regional moment magnitude (Mw), Version=4
    Source
    California Integrated Seismic Net:
    USGSCaltechCGSUCBUCSDUNR
    Event ID
    nc71566046
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    Post  HigherLove Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:01 pm

    Quakes? Town points finger at a nearby steam project
    Nature has been eclipsed by human factors, say rural residents



    Anderson Springs -- A surge in the number and severity of earthquakes near the Geysers, the world's largest geothermal development, has alarmed rural neighbors and they're not blaming Mother Nature.

    "These aren't natural earthquakes," said resident Connie Dethlefson, one of many citizens in this tiny community who insist that the temblor problem is a man-made byproduct of nearby steam-power production facilities.

    Since 1960, "induced seismicity" has been a chronic occurrence in the area, even according to geologists at Calpine Corp., the San Jose power company that now owns most of the two dozen power plants in a 30-square mile area along the Sonoma and Lake county line. The facilities, built on ridgetops to stay clear of landslides, draw steam from underground reservoirs.

    But the controversy here turns on an apparent recent increase in shakers. In May alone, three quakes were recorded in the Geysers area: a 3.7 magnitude on May 3, a 4.0 on May 20 and a 3.4 on May 21.

    Some people in Anderson Springs seem convinced that earthquakes now threaten to wreck their community's very foundations. And they believe huge injections of water, pumped deep underground at the Geysers in order to replenish the steamfields that drive the turbines, are causing the temblors.

    In 1997, communities around Clear Lake began diverting millions of gallons of treated wastewater daily to the Geysers through a 29-mile pipeline project.

    The pipeline is currently delivering 7.5 million gallons a day. Another 11 million gallons are due to start arriving daily from Santa Rosa later this year, although that will be delivered to a different part of the steamfields farther from Anderson Springs. Final testing of the Santa Rosa pipeline project is under way.

    The idea was to provide clean energy and give the communities a handy outlet for wastewater that otherwise could add to pollution problems of sensitive watersheds.

    But while environmentalists have applauded the projects, the talk in Anderson Springs lately has focused on widening cracks in old stone foundations, falling knickknacks and frazzled nerves.

    "We're rockin' and rollin' all the time," said Meriel Medrano, the local water-district manager, who has had a house in Anderson Springs since 1969.

    Stones keep popping out of her chimney, she said, and a vase toppled in the May 3 temblor -- one of the latest and largest quakes among hundreds that have been recorded in or near the Geysers in recent years.

    "The earthquakes have been increasing astronomically," she said.

    Seismic monitoring sponsored by the power companies began in the late 1960s,

    bolstered in 1979 by an array of monitors installed by the U.S. Geological Survey. The data show a clear increase in the frequency of small earthquakes, and there's not much debate about the link to steam-driven energy production.

    "There's no question, absolutely no question, that almost all the earthquakes are related to activities related to power production," said David Oppenheimer, a geophysicist at the USGS.

    The question is whether the induced quakes are mere annoyances. Industry experts claim the quakes are almost all too small even to be felt, let alone cause any significant damage.

    "An increase was anticipated in terms of these micro-earthquakes," said Dennis Gilles, a Calpine vice president for the Geysers operations. "But you get a magnitude 2 earthquake, and it's not even like a truck driving by."

    But the picture starts getting a little murky when it comes to bigger quakes, those above magnitude 2.5 or so, according to Bill Smith, a senior geologist at the Northern California Power Agency, a collection of public power authorities that also operates at the Geysers.

    Smith said there is no clear evidence that the Geysers are causing anyone harm, despite some increase in low-level shakings.

    "We don't experience any damage here," Smith said, "not even within our own offices, and we're sitting right on top of the Geysers."

    Anderson Springs residents want special monitoring. But Mark Dellinger, special districts manager for Lake County and chairman of a seismic-monitoring committee set up as part of the county's pipeline project, said a "huge investment" has already been made to keep tabs on every move the ground might make in the Geysers area.

    It's been enough, he said, to make tiny Anderson Springs, which lacks even a post office or a single commercial establishment, a unique laboratory for seismic research in a geothermal area.

    "I doubt there is a community anywhere in the world this small with this kind of sophisticated seismic array," Dellinger said. "I don't think there's any conclusive evidence to support any of the claims being made."

    By all accounts, it will take more monitoring to determine just how serious the problem is and what might be making it worse.

    The issue is complicated by such factors as local geology and faulting, frequent changes in levels of power production, and even by local construction styles in a hilly, landslide-prone area full of old homes that started as summer cottages.

    The recent increase is mostly in small, shallow quakes. This could prove to be just some natural variability, an anomaly perhaps due to subside on its own.

    If the root cause of the shaking turns out to be depletion of the steam reservoirs, then the additional water being injected might eventually help to reduce disturbances.

    Another leading theory is that the increased seismic activity results from rapid cooling and fracturing of rocks deep underground where temperatures are normally about 450 degrees Fahrenheit. If so, problems could be worsened by the injection of millions of gallons of 50 or 60 degree wastewater from the surface.

    All this does little to reassure folks in Anderson Springs.

    Residents described being jolted out of bed at night by brief but sharp explosions underground, seemingly more violent all the time, sometimes hitting a house as if by a truck ramming into the front porch.

    Jacqueline Felber said she and her husband had to replace 60 cracked ceramic tiles in their kitchen, where the floor lately has become noticeably bowed. Walking around outside, she pointed out some gaps in the siding, which she said have been spreading ominously of late.

    After 17 years in Anderson Springs, Felber insisted that she and her artist- blacksmith husband still love their place. Still, she said, "You can see where it's starting to come apart at the seams."

    No injuries have been reported. The biggest alleged casualty, however, may have been an old black oak tree that toppled across one of the creeks trickling through the unincorporated town, where bone-weary celebrities once visited to take the local waters. But no one can prove whether it was an earthquake, or perhaps a strong gust of wind, that brought it down.

    Jeff Gospe, a Santa Rosa business consultant whose in-laws own a home in Anderson Springs, was adamant that local quake damage is real and getting worse, exacerbated by the wastewater projects and increased steam-power production.

    "It's only a matter of time before someone gets hurt," he said.

    Gospe, 35, serves as president of the recently formed Anderson Springs Community Alliance. The organization demands that the power plant companies and public agencies behind the pipeline projects create regulatory and insurance mechanisms to protect landowners and local taxpayers.

    Gospe produced an armful of gigantic geology maps and a 4-inch-thick binder full of survey results, photographs and color charts showing earthquake trends.

    His central conclusion, based on public data and later confirmed by Oppenheimer as essentially valid, is that something on the order of 1,900 earthquakes of magnitude 2.0 or larger have occurred within a 5-mile radius of Anderson Springs since 1970.

    "They used to be just little shakers," said Alan Kuykendall, a condominium manager in Napa who spends about half his time at a home he bought in Anderson Springs in 1980. "The earthquakes are much worse now than they ever were."

    http://www.andersonsprings.org/NewsArticles/8june2003sfchronicle.html

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread426897/pg1

    http://www.andersonsprings.org/NewsArticles/pressdemocratneighborsworriedaboutquakes28jun2009.pdf

    http://www.altarockenergy.com/
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    Post  HigherLove Sat May 21, 2011 8:22 pm

    thank mudra!

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    Post  HigherLove Sat May 21, 2011 8:40 pm

    Northern California Power Agency

    http://www.ncpa.com/
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    Post  HigherLove Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:21 am

    Petition asks for halt of BRP expansion

    By Jeremy Walsh -- Staff reporter
    Updated: 06/10/2011 09:24:43 PM PDT

    LAKEPORT -- An attorney representing Friends of Cobb Mountain recently filed a petition on behalf of the nonprofit group that asks the court to reverse decisions made by the Lake County Board of Supervisors (BOS) approving the Bottle Rock Power, LLC (BRP) expansion project.

    Friends of Cobb Mountain argues that county decisions, including use permit approval and certification of the environmental impact report (EIR) for the project, violated California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) requirements, according to the petition filed by attorney Donald B. Mooney on May 11.

    There is a mandatory settlement meeting scheduled for Wednesday afternoon at the Lake County Courthouse.

    The petition lists the County of Lake and the BOS as respondents in the case. BRP is among three "real parties in interest."

    BRP's expansion project proposes to construct two new geothermal well pads, drill up to 22 production and injection wells and add about 1.3 miles of new pipeline on roughly 470 acres of surface land the company currently leases on High Valley Road in Cobb.

    BRP operates a power plant and three geothermal well pads on land adjacent to the expansion area.

    The project ultimately received local government approval, but only after a lengthy public review process.

    The Lake County Planning Commission held a daylong hearing on Dec. 22 attended by more than 30 local citizens. The commission intended to consider several issues that day but voted only to certify the final EIR.
    The commission took up the remaining issues during a mid-January meeting, and after considering more than four hours of public input, voted unanimously to approve minor modifications to BRP's original use permit, approve the new use permit for the project and recommend the project's rezone proposal to the BOS.

    Friends of Cobb Mountain opposed those decisions and filed an appeal to the BOS on Jan. 19, citing primarily EIR inadequacy.

    The BOS considered the appeal during four regular meetings between late February and mid-April, making a final decision to deny the appeal by a 4-1 vote on April 12. District 3 Supervisor Denise Rushing dissented.

    The denial allowed BRP to move forward with the project, and in the time since, the company has completed grading permit processes and some "preparatory work," including earth moving and surveying, according to BRP general manager Brian Harms.

    As for the legal action, Harms said, "it's too early to make any comments." BRP will participate in the settlement meeting but in the interim, "there's nothing legally stopping us from proceeding with construction," he said.

    As part of the petition, Friends of Cobb Mountain asks the court to suspend approval of all construction contracts until a new EIR is completed.

    The organization's chair, Hamilton Hess, said the certified EIR did not properly address and mitigate the impacts of the project.

    "The environmental effects, among others, include noise, heavy industrial traffic on narrow local roads, exposure of local residents and workers to the rotten eggs odor of hydrogen sulfide gas and the suspected health effects from this and other airborne substances emitted from the steam field and power plant," Hess said.

    The petition also argues that the county decisions violated its own zoning ordinance and state planning and zoning law.

    County Counsel Anita Grant said she could not comment on case specifics.

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    Hydrogen Sulfide Chemical Information Sheet

    Hydrogen sulfide is a colorless gas with a rotten-egg odor. Some people can smell hydrogen sulfide at very low levels, as low as 0.5 parts per billion (ppb) in air. Most hydrogen sulfide in the air comes from natural sources. It is produced when bacteria break down plant and animal material, often in stagnant waters with low oxygen content such as bogs and swamps. Volcanoes, hot springs and underwater thermal vents also release hydrogen sulfide. Industrial sources of hydrogen sulfide include petroleum and natural gas extraction and refining, pulp and paper manufacturing, rayon textile production, chemical manufacturing and waste disposal. Some bacteria change calcium sulfate, the major component of wallboard, into hydrogen sulfide. If construction and demolition debris contain large quantities of wallboard, large amounts of hydrogen sulfide can be formed. Production is greatest when the wallboard is finely crushed and when there is little oxygen, such as when the debris is buried and soaked with water.

    Most of the information on human health effects from hydrogen sulfide exposure comes from accidental and industrial exposures to high levels. Exposure to high levels can cause muscle cramps, low blood pressure, slow respiration and loss of consciousness. Short-term exposure to moderate amounts of hydrogen sulfide in the workplace produces eye, nose and throat irritation, nausea, dizziness, breathing difficulties, headaches and loss of appetite and sleep. Continued exposure can irritate the respiratory passages and can lead to a buildup of fluid in the lungs.

    Human volunteers have been exposed to hydrogen sulfide for up to thirty minutes during moderate exercise at levels equal to or half the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) 8-hour standard (10,000 ppb). Chemical changes in blood and muscle were observed, but no volunteer experienced adverse symptoms and no changes were seen in lung function measurements.

    There is limited information on the effects of long-term exposure to low levels of hydrogen sulfide. People working in industries where hydrogen sulfide exposure is common, but is usually below the OSHA 8-hour standard (10,000 ppb), may have decreased lung function and increased risk of spontaneous abortion and impaired neurological functions (including reaction time, balance, color discrimination, short-term memory and mood) compared to unexposed workers. People living near industries that emit hydrogen sulfide have an increased risk of eye irritation, cough, headache, nasal blockage and impaired neurological function (same measures as above) compared to unexposed residents. Limited information is available about exposure levels in studies of people working in or living near industries emitting hydrogen sulfide. Hydrogen sulfide exposure is assumed in these studies based on job title, work history or living near facilities emitting hydrogen sulfide. In all cases, the people with presumed hydrogen sulfide exposure had or likely had exposures to other chemicals that could have contributed to some health effects.

    Foul odors and health effects were investigated in an Indiana community near a waste disposal lagoon and in five New York State communities near landfills containing construction and demolition debris. Hydrogen sulfide levels in the Indiana community ranged up to 300 ppb during a two-month period. Levels in two of the New York communities ranged up to 4000 ppb for periods of several months. During these episodes there were frequent health complaints including eye, throat and lung irritation, nausea, headache, nasal blockage, sleeping difficulties, weight loss, chest pain, and asthma attacks. Although other chemicals may have been present in the air, these effects are consistent with those of hydrogen sulfide.

    The main effects of short-term and long-term hydrogen sulfide exposure in laboratory animals are nasal and lung irritation and damage and effects on the brain. These effects are consistent with effects seen in people exposed to hydrogen sulfide.

    The effects of exposure to any chemical depend on the amount of the chemical to which a person is exposed and the length of exposure. The effects may also be influenced by a person's age, sex and general health. The figures (Portable Document Format (PDF) file - help for PDF) summarize the relationship between exposure to hydrogen sulfide and known health effects, including those at very high levels of exposure. The information comes from exposure of people as well as laboratory animals. Effects in humans are shown on the right side and effects in animals on the left side of each line in the diagrams. Federal workplace standards and state ambient air standards are also shown on the diagrams.

    http://www.health.state.ny.us/environmental/chemicals/hydrogen_sulfide/
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    Toxicity

    Hydrogen sulfide is considered a broad-spectrum poison, meaning that it can poison several different systems in the body, although the nervous system is most affected. The toxicity of H2S is comparable with that of hydrogen cyanide. It forms a complex bond with iron in the mitochondrial cytochrome enzymes, thus preventing cellular respiration.

    Since hydrogen sulfide occurs naturally in the body, the environment and the gut, enzymes exist in the body capable of detoxifying it by oxidation to (harmless) sulfate.[8] Hence, low levels of hydrogen sulfide may be tolerated indefinitely.
    At some threshold level, believed to average around 300–350 ppm, the oxidative enzymes become overwhelmed. Many personal safety gas detectors, such as those used by utility, sewage and petrochemical workers, are set to alarm at as low as 5 to 10 ppm and to go into high alarm at 15 ppm.

    An interesting diagnostic clue of extreme poisoning by H2S is the discoloration of copper coins in the pockets of the victim. Treatment involves immediate inhalation of amyl nitrite, injections of sodium nitrite, inhalation of pure oxygen, administration of bronchodilators to overcome eventual bronchospasm, and in some cases hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBO). HBO therapy has anecdotal support and remains controversial.[9][10][11]

    Exposure to lower concentrations can result in eye irritation, a sore throat and cough, nausea, shortness of breath, and fluid in the lungs. These effects are believed to be due to the fact that hydrogen sulfide combines with alkali present in moist surface tissues to form sodium sulfide, a caustic.[12] These symptoms usually go away in a few weeks.

    Long-term, low-level exposure may result in fatigue, loss of appetite, headaches, irritability, poor memory, and dizziness. Chronic exposure to low level H2S (around 2 ppm) has been implicated in increased miscarriage and reproductive health issues among Russian and Finnish wood pulp workers,[13] but the reports have not (as of circa 1995) been replicated.

    0.00047 ppm is the recognition threshold, the concentration at which 50% of humans can detect the characteristic odor of hydrogen sulfide,[14] normally described as resembling "a rotten egg".

    Less than 10 ppm has an exposure limit of 8 hours per day.

    10–20 ppm is the borderline concentration for eye irritation.

    50–100 ppm leads to eye damage.

    At 100–150 ppm the olfactory nerve is paralyzed after a few inhalations, and the sense of smell disappears, often together with awareness of danger.[15][16]

    320–530 ppm leads to pulmonary edema with the possibility of death.

    530–1000 ppm causes strong stimulation of the central nervous system and rapid breathing, leading to loss of breathing.
    800 ppm is the lethal concentration for 50% of humans for 5 minutes exposure (LC50).

    Concentrations over 1000 ppm cause immediate collapse with loss of breathing, even after inhalation of a single breath.
    Hydrogen sulfide was used by the British as a chemical agent during World War I. It was not considered to be an ideal war gas, but, while other gases were in short supply, it was used on two occasions in 1916.[17] The gas, produced by mixing certain household ingredients, was used in a suicide wave in 2008, primarily but not exclusively in Japan.[18] As of 2010, this has occurred in a number of US cities (and in Putney West London, England), prompting warnings to first responders who can be exposed when responding to a suicide.[19]

    A dump of toxic waste containing hydrogen sulfide is believed to have caused 17 deaths and thousands of illnesses in Abidjan, on the West Africa coast, in the 2006 Côte d'Ivoire toxic waste dump.

    In 1975, a hydrogen sulfide explosion in Denver City, located in Yoakum and Gaines counties, Texas, caused the state legislature to focus on the deadly hazards of the gas. State Representative E L Short of Tahoka in Lynn County, took the lead in endorsing an investigation by the Texas Railroad Commission and urged that residents be warned "by knocking on doors if necessary" of the imminent danger stemming from the gas. One may die from the second inhalation of the gas, and a warning itself may be too late.[20] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_sulfide
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    Post  HigherLove Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:39 am

    http://www.konoctitrails.com/wt5-volcanic-vents-of-soda-bay

    Soda Bay Springs used to be a great place to go on the lake, but the CARBON DIOXIDE was so strong that people who would drink and go in for a soak would not get enough fresh air, and it killed them. I used to go there, but was smart enough to come up for air (the rotten egg smell of the sulfur was quite strong, also).

    The springs were filled in with boulders and are now closed to the public.

    i.e. these are not gases we should be messing with.
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    Post  Sanicle Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:12 am

    Whoa, that list is a bit scarily long! Have they started the new work yet Troy?
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    Post  HigherLove Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:14 am

    Sanicle wrote:Whoa, that list is a bit scarily long! Have they started the new work yet Troy?

    Yes they have. Sigh.

    The denial allowed BRP to move forward with the project, and in the time since, the company has completed grading permit processes and some "preparatory work," including earth moving and surveying, according to BRP general manager Brian Harms.

    As for the legal action, Harms said, "it's too early to make any comments." BRP will participate in the settlement meeting but in the interim, "there's nothing legally stopping us from proceeding with construction," he said.

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