ASTRONAUT ALIEN FROM THE FUTURE ~ CONTACTEE BETTY HILL

I'm still working on this chapter as there is both more detail to add and editing to be done.






The Lost Betty Hill Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g93YoWsHjU...player_embedded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g93YoWsHjU

From Betty Hill's Interview:

On September 19, 1961, Betty and Barney Hill were driving down the highway from Canada heading south and crossed over the boarder into New Hampshire when they thought they saw this light following them at around 10:30 at night. When Betty saw a bright light in the sky she thought she was discovering a new planet, that is until it moved.

They stopped the car to get out and look at what they thought was a plane and that is when it changed changed direction and came in towards them. It was flying in a very erratic manner which was very puzzling to them. According to Betty, they weren’t afraid, just curious trying to identify this craft. In the Indian Head area Betty was trying to attract attention of this UFO by leaning out the car window yelling up to them, “Come on down. Who are you…?"

When the craft started to follow them they got frightened and for the next 20-30 minutes speeded away. The craft followed them for about 30 miles pacing their car. Frightened, Barney pulled off to the side of the road where they saw, what appeared to be a group men standing in the middle of the road.

Betty said the alien astronauts verbally spoke and did not use telepathy. They didn’t all look alike as they had individual differences. No hair, larger eyes, no protruding ears, pronounced eyebrow ridge. Betty also said that this was how humans would look like in 25,000 years from now. These alien/astronauts invited Barney and Betty to come into their craft. Barney was under mind-control and followed complacently. However, Betty fought them off not wanting to enter the doorway to their craft. The alien/astronauts told Betty that they wanted to take some tests (basically perform a non-sexual medical exam).

Dr. Simon used medical hypnosis, which is the type of hypnosis he used in surgery to help both Barney and Betty recall the blocked memories of the event. Betty never considered herself as an abductee and described the event as a meeting. She said she had a great time and was joking with her alien/astronaut contacts.

Later Betty stated, "Actually, when I was on board the craft I recognized the importance of what was happening. I said to the leader, "I know you’re not from this planet. Where are you from?"

Betty subsequently drew a star map of where her alien astronauts said they were from, which was later identified via an astrological investigation as Zeta Reticuli.


Betty invited the alien/astronauts to come back and they did. During these UFO visits she invited a number of other people to come and observed and she personally took hundreds of pictures. In Betty's film and photo collection she had accumulated about 80 slides of UFOs doing different manuvers and also has film shots of a mother ship.

Betty said that she had also met some aliens from Zeta Reticuli and saw crafts traveling in squadrons. She had seen thousands of UFOs. Betty also has photo of a landed UFO in Southern New Hampshire in the 70s, which would come in every night and land. Betty reported that most UFOs are small ~ about the size of a car or a little bit bigger. When driving Betty would often have a UFO on each side of her car and they would lead her where to where she was to meet with them. Betty was still seeing UFOs out her house window in 1999.

Betty explained that the UFO phenomenon is worldwide and that there is no defense against them.

When a UFO is in the area Betty described how she is aware of an atmospheric change in the environment. Betty also felt the incident at Roswell was authentic and that indeed, a UFO crash did happen. She identified that a UFO had also crashed in her area, Southern New Hampshire in the 70s. Betty stated that this particular UFO just missed this man’s truck driving along the road and instead crashed through the trees leaving a 25 feet swath left behind. Betty also added that most of the stuff from the UFOs tends to dissolve in water. However, she sited that UFO crafts often dive down into the water all the time.

During Betty's interview she noted how the UFOs would come in over the Nuclear weapons at Pease AFB and she said, they follow rivers but also used to fly along lines of rail road tracks. The alien pilots told Betty that the shape of the land near Cap Cod is easy to identify from space which is why they tend to come down in that area.

Betty did think the alien craft that crashed in Russia with inhabitants was real. She also thought that the body from the alien autopsy looks very much like the alien astronauts and added that there is no way to tell if these alien/astronauts were male or female.

Betty also thought that crop circles are created by the UFOs because inside of the crop circles the wheat is almost braided.

In addition, when Betty took photos of what she thought was a plane and helicopter ~ after having the film developed she saw that instead of photos of a plane or helicopter, instead she had pictures of a flying saucer and barrel craft where smaller crafts would come out of the lager one. She also noted that sometimes Black helicopters sometimes may be alien crafts.

When asked about structures on the moon Betty had no opinion. Gordon Cooper took a photo of UFO that landed on the ground but Betty added that we have to learn how to get along with each other first before going to the moon.

A common sense approach to UFOs
Authored by Betty Hill

Pease Air Force Base

Paloa Harris: It is such a privilege to speak to you about your Aunt. She described the aliens that abducted her and Barney in a particular way. They seem to have some kind of orifice that looks like a nose.

Kathleen Marden: Betty and Barney described small, flat noses, not like the large Jimmy Durante noses of the aliens in Betty's nightmares of abduction.

Paloa Harris: I thought she said that they had Mongoloid features.

Kathleen Marden: She was talking about Southeast Asian Mongoloid features suggestive of a wide cheeked, weak chinned appearance. The eyes were enlarged and slanted like cat's eyes.

Paloa Harris: Which are not those huge big round eyes that take up most of your face.

Kathleen Marden: The leader and the examiner had larger eyes than humans have. But at least one crewmember, the supervisor was described as having even larger eyes. Also, the leader and the examiner were taller than the crew. They were 4 1⁄2 to five feet tall, whereas the crew seems to have been much shorter.

Paloa Harris: This is what she saw.

Kathleen Marden: Yes. The supervisor, a member of the crew, was more of the typical stereotypical gray--three and a half feet tall, very large black eyes. But then there was another group with slightly different physical characteristics. The leader and the examiner belonged to this group. The examiner was about four and a half feet tall. Betty wasn't sure actually whether the examiner was a man or a woman.

Paloa Harris: Is he the one who put his hand on her head so he wouldn't feel the pain?

Kathleen Marden: No, it was the leader who did that. And he had smaller eyes than the supervisor. He didn't have the typical "Gray" eyes. Betty and Barney did describe large eyes. This painting is New Hampshire artist David Baker's interpretation and you have to remember that David used his knowledge of human anatomy to do this artistic interpretation of what Betty and Barney described.

Paloa Harris: Did she ever see them, and say they looked exactly like that?

Kathleen Marden: She did not say that. She actually had these paintings, and she said that the leader and the examiner are more attractive than the little gray. And actually the leader was the most attractive because he looked the most human.

Paloa Harris: And he was the nicest, because he put his hand on her forehead.

Kathleen Marden: Absolutely. Now this (David Baker's) is a fairly good interpretation. However, the alien's pupils were different. Betty described very large irises and a vertical pupil. They had only a little bit of white showing, and that was actually yellowish in color. So this is somewhat different from what was described.

Paloa Harris: She also must have really had herself together to think about taking the book away. She wanted to prove that it had actually happened. She wasn't so freaked out that she wasn't thinking.

Kathleen Marden: She was reasoning that she had to do this, and so at that point, she had overcome her fear of them. During most of the actual capture and the physical examination, her eyes were closed. She opened them occasionally to peek. So mostly what she's talking about were her sensations. It wasn't until the examiner relieved the intense pain she felt when that needle was inserted into her navel that she began to trust him, and felt that she wasn't going to be harmed. So when the examiner went to examine Barney, the leader and Betty were left alone in the room, and that's when he and Betty had their conversation.

Paloa Harris: And then he wouldn't let her take the book.

Kathleen Marden: It wasn't he who denied her the right to take the book. He told her that she should look around and she could take what she wanted. It was actually the supervisor, the little three-and-a-half foot tall grey, who communicated in a humming or mumbling type of language to the rest of the group. She thought it was almost screeching, they were so upset when they saw she had the book, and it was they who made the decision to take the book away from her. The leader apologized to her and said we're sorry, we've decided that it would be best if you don't remember what happened to you.

Paloa Harris: She did remember some of the writing that was in the book.

Kathleen Marden: That was only under hypnosis. She didn't remember the abduction until 1964, when they went to renowned psychiatrist Dr. Benjamin Simon who had built his reputation working with shell shock victims during and after World War II. He set up the psychiatric center at the Mason General Hospital and had a very high rate of success in treating patients who had what we now call Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. This is why Betty and Barney were referred to him, because he used hypnosis and he had a special technique that was much more effective than the other psychiatrists who were working with these patients. He used truth serum when he could not take people to a deep enough level of hypnosis. He didn't use it on the Hills, because they were very good subjects.

Paloa Harris: Did Betty ever hear or feel the presence of the leader in any other part of her life? Did she ever feel that he was around?

Kathleen Marden: She participated in a number of psychophysics experiments with a team of engineers and scientists and they attempted contact through her. There is a possibility that there was limited success, but they could never get scientific evidence to prove that it happened.

Paloa Harris: In other words, messages came through, but they were never able to prove that they were from that being.

Kathleen Marden: Yes. The experimental team observed UFOs at specific locations where she had asked them to show up. Now whether it was a coincidence, or whether it was the result of her messages is the question.

Paloa Harris: That's extremely interesting, because in general, with contact cases, they don't just do it and go away. They usually follow the case. And often in contact cases, the entire family is involved, from way back when.

Kathleen Marden: And they did have other close encounters with UFOs. Throughout her lifetime, she insisted that she had never been abducted a second time. However, there is reason to believe that she may have been. There is no scientific evidence that she was. However, I have testimony in Captured! The Betty and Barney UFO Experience from a man who was with Betty in Kingston, NH. One night they were driving from Kingston back to Portsmouth. A UFO hovered over the car. The car lifted up and then came back down in Exeter, NH several miles down the road. Betty was driving the car, I believe, and this man was sitting beside her. They both remembered that, but they don't remember an abduction, and if Betty had one, she didn't want to know about it.

Paloa Harris: Why?

Kathleen Marden: She could never overcome her fear.

Paloa Harris: Really. She didn't feel special about being chosen?

Kathleen Marden: No. She never felt that she had actually been chosen. She thought it was an opportunistic abduction-- that she happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Or at the right time for the aliens.

Paloa Harris: The sociological implications of an interracial couple at that time, doing a physical examination, doesn't that show that they need to be looking at ~

Kathleen Marden: Well, I think from a human perspective, perhaps an interracial couple at that time was much more significant to us than it probably is today. In terms of the extraterrestrials, I think they were just looking at people. And Betty never thought that they were attempting to determine the differences between Barney and herself. She thought they were looking for the differences between herself and her captors.

Paloa Harris: Did she appreciate the conversations she had with these people? It's very rare for contactees to have conversation; I mean even to calm themselves down enough to ask a question. What did she think of that?

Kathleen Marden: She did, I think throughout her lifetime she felt a special bond with the leader. She even asked him to come back when and if it was possible. She said that she couldn't answer his questions because she wasn't educated in science, but she could introduce him, at a later time, to scientists who could answer his questions. And that was the reason for the psychophysics experiment that she took part in.

Paloa Harris: And you mentioned the reason why she felt she had bonded with him because he was human-looking.

Kathleen Marden: Yes. He was the most human-looking of the group, and he was kind to her. He took away her pain when a needle was inserted into her navel.

Paloa Harris: And also he apologized.

Kathleen Marden: He did apologize.

Paloa Harris: Okay, there's one incident in the book that I'm very interested in that I will be talking about at my presentation, because it shows she had a kind of compassion or curiosity, and that is the incident with the earrings on the table. Please talk about that incident to me.

Kathleen Marden: In December of 1961, I believe it was, Betty and Barney made a trip to White Mountain to try to retrace their journey. They were attempting to jog their memory about what had happened during the two hours of missing time. They had just had an interview with CD Jackson and Robert Hohmann. Jackson worked as a senior engineer at IBM, and Hohmann was a writer for the same company. Betty and Barney thought they were government scientists. They were not, actually, but the Hills always thought that they were. So anyway, it was at that interview when they really realized that the period of missing time was a full two hours. And Hohmann and Jackson suggested to them, along with Walter Webb, original NICAP investigator, that they go back and retrace their journey to see if it would jog their memory. So they were up there, they spent the day in the White Mountains, and when they returned home that evening, they walked into the house and found that it had been entered.

Paloa Harris:: The door was locked.

Kathleen Marden: Yes. And as far as I could determine, no one had a key to that house. They walked in, and right there on their dining room table was a pile of leaves--withered, brown leaves that had not been there when they left their house in the morning. They checked the windows and doors to see how someone could have gotten in, but could find no evidence of a forced entry. They went back and were picking up the leaves to throw them away, and there in the leaves, were the earrings that Betty was wearing on the night of her abduction. That was horrifying to Betty, and to her this was proof. She thought, we went to look for them, to jog our memories, and they came to our house and left these earrings that I was wearing that night in such a bizarre manner.

Paloa Harris: What's the implication of that?

Kathleen Marden: I don't know, because I don't know for sure if it was even the aliens who did this or if it was someone else who had decided to harass Betty and Barney.

Paloa Harris: How did they get her earrings?

Kathleen Marden: They could have taken them from her jewelry box. She couldn't consciously remember having lost them. So she didn't remember that they were missing, they just showed up on her table. Now, the fact that they were in leaves was pretty bizarre, and how would anyone know which earrings she was wearing that night, and be able to remove that specific pair of earrings from her jewelry box?

Paloa Harris: So that's proof that it wasn't a member of the intelligence community, because they wouldn't have known that.

Kathleen Marden: Unless someone asked her what she was wearing and she mentioned those earrings. There's no evidence that she did, and she couldn't remember telling anybody that.

Paloa Harris: So the implication is that they could be anywhere. And they're watching.

Kathleen Marden: The implication is, to Betty at least, that they were.

Paloa Harris: Are there any other signs like that in her life?

Kathleen Marden: Yes. Betty and Barney wanted to keep this whole story confidential. But John Luttrell, who was a reporter for the Boston Herald Traveler, published a series of articles in late October 1965 against the Hills' wishes about their UFO sighting and subsequent abduction. He had interviewed many of their friends who knew the inside information. He had tape recordings of a brief discussion Betty and Barney had in November 1963 with the Two-State UFO Study Group in Quincy MA. They were not on the agenda to speak, but they were attempting to get more information about what happened to them, so they shared this information with the study group. Somebody, possibly John Luttrell, tape recorded what they said. Now John contacted Betty and Barney in August 1965 to ask for their cooperation in writing this article. They refused to give him an interview and told him that they wanted it to remain confidential. They were really afraid that they would lose their jobs and they were also very involved in the civil rights movement, so they didn't want to risk destroying their credibility. Barney was the first executive director of the Rockingham County Community Action program. So they were really involved in political and civic activities in the community, and also nationally at a certain level. They didn't want this story told. Betty told me that they actually went to two lawyers to try to prevent John Luttrell from publishing it, but they couldn't prevent it from happening.

Paloa Harris: How strange. If you're asking people not to publish, they can still go ahead and do it?

Kathleen Marden: The lawyers told them that since they had spoken about it at the study group, it was in the public domain. And since she had friends who had talked to John Luttrell, he could publish what they said to him.

Paloa Harris: So how did the aliens keep involved in their lives?

Kathleen Marden: After this article came out, it ran in the newspaper for five days in a row, Betty and Barney left the first night it was published for my grandfather's house to escape from the media. They went to Kingston, NH. I lived right across the street from my grandparents. When they were leaving to return home, they had a close encounter with a UFO. This was the first time they had sighted a UFO together since the night in 1961.

Paloa Harris: Now this UFO was a big orange ball?

Kathleen Marden: Yes. It was hovering just above the treetops. They followed it. It went to a swampy area, and then, they went back to my grandparents' house and picked up members of the family. They went back to the area and tried to locate the UFO. Betty and Barney didn't want to be alone. They weren't able to locate it, so finally they left. Barney particularly felt very threatened by this and felt that he had been warned that he wasn't to remember what happened, and now it had been made public. So he was fearful that they might take retribution on him.

Paloa Harris: They didn't want him to remember, and it has now become the most incredibly famous story in Ufology.

Kathleen Marden: Yes, and I'm wondering if the reason they didn't want them to remember was to protect Betty and Barney from the trauma.

Paloa Harris: Betty probably fared better than Barney, because he went downhill. So maybe that's their specimens and they don't want their specimens to die. And they could be following their life. So in order to have their specimens be as normal as possible, they have to make their specimens forget.

~ Have you ever seen a UFO?

Kathleen Marden: Yes, possibly when I was a teenager. I was in Betty's company and in the book you'll read about it in the chapter on the psychophysics experiment. A neighbor of mine, a young woman, was walking home from my house one night and she had a close encounter with a UFO. She reported it to my aunt and uncle. They came down the following week, and we went out to try to observe the UFO. This young woman, whose name was Rosemary, my mother, my grandmother, Betty, my brother, and I went out. We did see what appeared to be an unconventional craft which hovered at close range over a lake near my house.

Paloa Harris: When you say you went out, did you walk?

Kathleen Marden: We drove. We got out of the car and then we walked. The UFO came down and hovered over the tops of the trees. It moved across the lake to the other side of the lake. We drove to that side of the lake and it landed on the ice, and flashed a beam that my mother described as cone-shaped. It seemed to almost telescope toward her like a cone rather than like an actual beam of light. And then it retracted.

Paloa Harris: Toward her?

Kathleen Marden: Toward my mother. My mother stated that it actually hit her.

Paloa Harris: And was it light, or was it metallic? Was it an orb?

Kathleen Marden: This was a funnel-shaped light. And I didn't actually see that light, I was looking in a different direction.

Paloa Harris: What did you feel?

Kathleen Marden: Just very frightened.

Paloa Harris: So you and other members of your family got to see this, and got to verify this. How did you feel, like this is reality, I got to see this?

Kathleen Marden: Yes, I did think that it was real. I also had another sighting. This took place right at my own home. I had become interested in astronomy after my aunt and uncle's close encounter. With the help of Walter Webb, who worked an astronomy lecture at the Hayden Planetarium in Boston, my father was able to acquire a telescope for me. I would take the telescope outside in the evenings and look at the stars. One night when I was out there, it was dusk.

Paloa Harris: How old were you?

Kathleen Marden: Fifteen, maybe. I'm not exactly sure, because I didn't document it. I saw a cigar-shaped craft hovering over my grandparents' farm across the street. I could see the row of windows in the craft and I was very, very excited, jumping up and down, yelling for my mother to come out. She came outside and she saw it as well. The instructed me to quickly accompany her back into the house.

Paloa Harris: If you're doing some kind of research and you're putting two and two together, what kind of situation do we have here?

Kathleen Marden: This was during a period of experiments in which Betty was attempting to have a craft appear and land on my grandparents' farm.

Paloa Harris: So she was attempting to do that. She had the ability to communicate with them.

Kathleen Marden: She seems to have, yes.

Paloa Harris: Does your family in general have a relationship with them?

Kathleen Marden: Many researchers have investigated whether the family actually has a relationship, and all I can tell you is that there is no evidence to support the idea that anyone else has been abducted.

Paloa Harris: Well, your aunt and uncle had physical evidence. They had the dress. This is the problem we have with contact in general. If you can't take witness testimony, then what are we going to take? I mean, whole religions are based on witness testimony. So if this is true, it may have been true for the whole family. Did you ever think about this?

Kathleen Marden: Yes, I have. And I prefer not to. I really don't want to entertain the idea.

Paloa Harris: Because it seems clear to us that they find an affinity with certain kinds of people. Maybe either communicators, clear thinkers, people who are stable, I don't know what it could be. Maybe a DNA structure, I don't know what the qualifications could be within a family situation. So you've thought about the family situation.

Kathleen Marden: Oh, absolutely. And different scientists have suggested that it might be part of a long-term biological study or a sociological study.

Paloa Harris: You were into astronomy, you've done psychological work, you look into the human psyche. Your book is a remarkably clear, chronological account of what happened. That book will serve mankind because it is written in that way.

Kathleen Marden: I didn't want to make subjective interpretations of anything. I wanted merely to present factual information without passing judgment.

Paloa Harris: Which is what a journalist is supposed to do. And I noticed even in the beginning when you were describing Barney, you said over and over again that he was very intellectual.

Kathleen Marden: He was very bright, very charismatic; he had an IQ of 140. The most difficult thing for Barney was that he was never able to achieve his dream of becoming an engineer when he was a young boy because he was black. And he lived in a society where he was discriminated against, and wasn't afforded those opportunities. He was well educated, but self-educated.

Paloa Harris: And the fact that your aunt had a sense of adventure and she loved challenges. So for her it was a curiosity.

Kathleen Marden: She was very curious and very independent. My uncle was very strong-willed. You might read that he would do almost anything that Betty told him to do, or believe anything Betty told him to believe. This is absolutely false. He was always resisting Betty and expressing his own point of view. And the funny thing is, whenever she was really harassing him, to try to get him to agree with her, he would accuse her of being a bigot. That would shut her up. But they had a great relationship. They were both dynamic people, but both very strong-willed.

Paloa Harris: Well, they would be perfect if a civilization were choosing two specimens. They couldn't have picked two more perfect people to blow open the doors of contact I'm not going to call it abduction. In abduction, you're taken against your will, but in contact, something has left with you. I don't know if you agree with that, or do you think it was just a violation and they were violated?

Kathleen Marden: I think it actually caused them to evolve in ways that they may not have otherwise, particularly Barney. His involvement in the civil rights movement--he was on the state advisory committee to the Office of Economic Opportunity and the US Civil Rights Commission. He and Betty campaigned for Lyndon Johnson. The three of us were invited guests at Lyndon Johnsons inauguration. I have wondered if his abduction actually had something to do with Barney's achievement that perhaps he wouldn't have achieved as much. I've always wondered if it may have had a positive effect on him in some way.

Paloa Harris: Well I thank you for this intense conversation. It's really been interesting talking to you. Do you want to leave the Italian public with some final thoughts about your book? Where would you personally like this research to go?

Kathleen Marden: Well, I always say, always seek the truth. And if you find it, embrace it. And that is what I did. I had this intense curiosity, and I searched for the truth, and I think I found that truth. I'm committed to share that with the rest of mankind if I possibly can because I think it's so important.