United States AI Solar System (2)

burgundia wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Burgundia. Jesus-Studies are multifaceted. I think Jesus existed. I don't think Jesus existed. I think "Jesus" should be studied extensively -- but I don't really know where the truth-ends and the bullshit-begins. I've recently read a very-nasty book by Roman Piso. I don't recommend it. Abelard Reuchlin, Robert Eisenman, and John Dominic Crossan seem to be more balanced and approachable. Roman Piso might be right -- but I think there might be a context and background which he is missing or purposely avoiding. The concept of a Model God-Human is a legitimate Christ-Consciousness -- Real and/or Imaginary. I'll continue to support and attack basic Christian-Presuppositions. I continue to think that the Info-War will badly-wound almost everyone (including me). I've already been shot-up pretty-badly -- and I don't think the Real-War has even started. I don't think we've seen anything yet.

B.B.Baghor wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:There are 1267 registered-users on The Mists of Avalon -- with only two-dozen regular (or semi-regular) contributors. I know this site is well monitored and spied-upon -- but most everyone seems to be internet ambulance-chasers -- without sticking their necks out -- or otherwise contributing anything of significance. I'm sorry to be shrill -- but when Rap-Videos routinely have one-hundred million views -- the pathetic participation on this site is really species-damning.......................................................................................................................................

The response to my internet exercise in futility has mostly confirmed my belief that "resistance is futile". I think most people are kneeling at the feet of the New World Order -- regardless of whether they realize it, or not. The angry-malcontents might be more controlled than they can imagine. Neutral-Observers might be the greatest threat to a Corrupt-Corporate Solar-System -- since many of them conceptualize Idealistic Solar-System Governance. I have no current plans to be a Lone-Ranger in Shining-Armor. I mostly just wish to sit-down and shut-up -- living out the rest of my pathetic-life in quiet-desperation -- in some sort of a Minimalist-Makeshift Shallow-Underground 600 Square-Foot Office-Apartment -- Fiddling with my #$%^& while Rome Burns. It's easier that way.

Species-damning? Wow, you have a way with words, ortho   First I had a good belly laugh, before I replied here, I can't help it that your cynical choice of spot-on-words triggers that in me. Don't get me wrong, it's partly also a clownish laughing, for of course I sense the sadness in those words too. Did you know that scientists have to be cynical and question everything, also other people's scientific explorations? Treating all discoveries as a given non-fact? Even those found by themselves, although there must be some "Wow!" moments to keep it all going, of course.

I believe you are a genuine scientist, ortho, in the world of non-sense... uhhh sci-fience... ehmmm seiance... ahhh...de-sci-fiance... ohh.. de-sci-finance.... stopping the nonsense. Mainly that last one. Truly! For I've never found someone who's that great in efforts of sifting the antics of our
present times, restlessly finding truth in the most by-wayish way  

Don't underestimate your presence here, ortho. Or your presence on this planet, for that matter, pun intended. For it may be that your audience is
joining you, consuming your communications here, happy or sad, in a similar by-wayish way. I'm an exception, am I?    


Thank you, Malletzky, for being a teacher and student with us here   I always enjoy your wisdom and calm manners,
like in these words of yours, in fact the entire post.

Malletzky's words:

"So when the time comes…what belongs together comes together. Let me tell you a short and true story: despite the fact that I had and still have my own ‘personal teacher’, you can imagine my surprise when few years ago,  he told me that actually he didn’t see himself as my ‘teacher’, but revealed to me that he’s learning a lot from me too. His growth helped me grow further…so you see, ‘learning’ is an ongoing process of interacting with each other on many levels and on many platforms.

One of these platforms is something we have managed to establish here in the Mists. And even if there’s one single soul still to come and discover the enormous library which the MoA became in this past years and learn something from us (and I am sure some did), I would be much more grateful.

Thank you all, you wonderful souls, for being who you are and being here Very Happy  

Much respect
Mall…"

Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Pris and Malletzky. I'm nastier on this site than I am in real-life. A lot of this is an act I've been cultivating for several years. It has a lot to do with wondering what conversation and debate might be like in the City of London and/or the Dark Side of the Moon -- with Humans and Other-Than-Humans -- regarding Galactic-Issues. I'm trying to drop the act -- and get back to some form of normal -- but some of the act seems to be sticking to the roof of my brain.

Not at all.  I don't think you're 'nasty' at all.  You're just a bit cynical, perhaps.  Whoopee.  I enjoyed your... rant... in a good way.  It was 'species-affirming' as far as I'm concerned.  Thanks!

If this helps, I think those video 'views' are fixed to make us think tons of people are watching that shite.

It's a challenge to not take everything so seriously.  I offset the insanity with humour as best I can.

On the subject of teachers...

"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."

Not ready.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sherrytalkradio/2014/07/08/07-07-14-monday-night-with-sherry-shriner

orthodoxymoron wrote:

ABRAXAS 79713
http://www.oocities.org/davesb5page/comm.htm

What do you think about the new Pluto-Pictures?? They're Awesome -- but I actually prefer Uranus!!!

Carol wrote:

Shiloh, many years back following a particular effective yoga session, the density of my physical body felt so light it seemed I could float. Yet having OBE is even better. It's conscious experience/awareness in its pure spiritual form. As these are direct experiences don't you think it isn't any wonder which state of "being" I would prefer? One of the goals on the spiritual path is non-attachment.. even non-attachment to the physical form.

Now I do have another contactee friend where her Et friends have promised her a new body (avatar or container) to download her consciousness into. I was offered the same opportunity and turned it down. Why? Because no matter how I view this opportunity as positive for those who choose to go in that direction, it would be a negative opportunity for me given the many lifetimes to just get to this point of spiritual liberation. I'm not into power. I'm not into greed. My focus is to continue to honor my pre-birth spiritual agreements on this planet until I'm called back. Along this current life path there have been numerous opportunities (NDE) to go back home - yet no matter how difficult life is, all the physical pain I've had to endure due to an incurable illness since 1992, I choose to stay on course until the last chapter of my physical life is played out.

As for pain (emotional or physical).. it's only a distraction, a challenge one must learn to set aside and stay focused on the task at hand. One's own spiritual unfoldment in service of humanity, earth creatures and the planet. We are here to help each other evolve, take that next step in our own spiritual evolution. Each individual's role is important. Even if it is to just hold their own inner light in the midst of darkness is a noble and honorable task. To learn how to magnify that spiritual light and share it with others, infuse them with light is helping others alter their vibrational frequencies to a higher state of "beings" is a worthy goal.

You and others here on the forum share images that in my minds eye depict "enslavement" to the physical. It doesn't appeal to me in the slightest and in truth is a turn off.

Ever since my first OBE doing yoga in the early twenties, I've always wanted to experience "enlightenment." After that experience, the next on the list was transcendence. Transcendence is where one consciously has complete control over matter yet dwells in the spiritual realms and can also descend down into 3D if so desired. I've know of this reality for a good 40 years plus and am not about to get off track now with any glitzy enticement that's tied to the physical 3D realm. 3D has its fun moments but if you've ever had the opportunity to experience the other dimensional realms which are so much more expansive and awesome.. 3D looks begins to look like cardboard. And spirit traveling around in a 3D body is similar to dragging around a bag of wet cement.

This little discourse is not to diminish the life experience of 3D as most of us on this forum recognize the value of what it means to travel this particular life path for our own spiritual growth and development. One has to be evolved to a certain point to even get the chance to incarnate. And then there all those angels who descended.. the fallen ones who became entrapped in the illusion of the physical form. Our souls, our spirit is precious. We are given the task to protect it and help it evolve.. and in the process to help others onto the path - or on the path to move forward, back to Source.

I recognize I'm not ready to dissolve into Source (did have that experience) , but would enjoy continuing to evolve within the other higher dimensional realms.. back to transfiguration. The reason there is this desire for transfiguration is to have the flexibility to manifest spirit as physical form if the need arises to help someone. Somehow I don't think showing up as a ball of light (different from what EVISNAM wrote about) would lend that extra flexibility I seek. And as an added afterthought.. sublime is exactly that. It doesn't get any better.

Perhaps sometime you may choose to respond from the "heart" instead of the "intellect". It's obvious your brilliant when it comes to math/science along with some of your own research. Perhaps this is where you're most comfortable hanging out due to possible wounds to the heart. Who is to say other then yourself. I do enjoy your posts yet am not in alignment with the dragon. If we were in battle most likely I would be on the side of the Arch Angels. As for the present - I enjoy a peaceful co-existence with those here who are of a different mind-set recognizing that each individual has a choice which they must choose for him or herself. Free will after all is at the heart of this choice. Just for the record. I choose the light within.

Carol wrote:Hellooo Threecaster. I'm so delighted you popped in and posted. It's good to see you here and know life brought you a new

The emoticons are fun.. did you ever check out the second set.

Life is full of surprises. I only post on Mists due to being banned pretty much everywhere else for expressing the truth. Most folks just can't handle a truth that may be larger then what there world view is. I'm happy for you and will look around at your forum. Glad to see your creation and that you're happy.

orthodoxymoron wrote:Nice hearing from you Threecaster!! Congratulations on your new forum!! I'll check it out!! I'm trying to stop posting on the internet -- and I need diversions to get my mind off what I've been doing here in this forum!! I'll probably just be one of the "lurkers" -- but I look forward to seeing what you folks are posting over-yonder!! Namaste and Have a Nice Day!!

B.B.Baghor wrote:My words in green

orthodoxymoron wrote:"I'll say it one more time -- and perhaps one last time -- there's something attractive about the Thuban-Material -- yet I'm on a very-different wavelength. My United States of the Solar System threads are probably my version of the Thuban-Material. Perhaps Astronomy -- Jesus-Studies -- and Sacred Classical Music -- might be a Middle-Way between Thuban and Orthodoxymoron. That's all I'm going to say. Namaste and Have a Nice Day".

I think I can understand why you find the Thuban Material attractive, ortho, like you've explained yourself. Your posts and theirs, as I perceive them, are often present in a mix of sensual-lust orientated content and a huge amount of abstract data... subtropical fruits from nebulous rainforests of seemingly intergalactic exploring and  the harvest of exploring and creating virtual realities. In the latter style I perceive the Thuban Material, not yours ortho, to be clear. Your quest for truth shines quite clear to me.

Carol wrote:

Sexuality does not exist at the higher spiritual dimensions as this is a creative process for pro-creation of a human body, a vessel for another soul to come down and experience spirit in matter. From observation it appears that it's easy enough to become confused about the energy and role of sex. Orgasm is a re-experience of at-one-ment (singularity) but within the form of matter. How sexuality is used is where problems can occur particularly where sexual abuse is involved and the over-powerment of one over another as this can lead to one becoming stuck in the lower dimensional realms.

Yet the experience of singularity at a purely spiritual level leaves the experience of physical orgasm in the dust. Meaning that there is much more in the spiritual realms to be experience then just at the 3D level. Now imagine being in the spiritual form and having the experience of singularity. This is an experience of what it is to be a quantum particle - no place and every where, zero point locality. For me this is true freedom which cannot be contained within words, or intellect, or even a physical form.

As far as I can understand, stuck in the 3D world of planet Earth, with most of my mind, sexuality does exist as sensuality: awake in all senses, in those realms of higher spiritual dimensions, Carol. To me, sexuality, as the expression of orgasmic energy, is life-force energy in its pure essence, without the many labels attached to it due to the physical manifestation in the coupling of male and female bodies, separated from oneness of gender on this planet, for a reason no other than to see what happens when that is done, by the beings who created this world of physical form: our physical bodies as male or female, in separation in general. I tend to think that the meeting-mating of 2 consciousnesses is the highest form of ecstacy and that this happens in non-physical realms as well as on this planet Earth. I've understood Tibetan tantra as one way to achieve that state, although I think there are lots of other ways too.

It's more a remembering or resurfacing of that state, in a natural unfolding, seized by any body in touch with a soul, in essence accessible for all human beings. To me it's not a training or initiation by way of a study, or going to the Hogwarth School of Sensual Wizardry, as a must. The Thuban Material shows up a bit like that, for it seems to me to be a world of fantasy, present on a 4D stage. Bonobo's have no words, they're expressing themselves
present in the fulfillment of the moment.

Shilo's words on the nature of bonobo's:

"No wars, no jealousies no violence and no abuse - but ever so sexy in peaceful and caring appreciation of each other in fullest passionate
expression of the cosmic self"

Those expressions in these videos, of the bonobo's are so beautiful and natural to me, shilo. I've shared a post on that subject
earlier, here. It's highly subjective, that word "sexy" for it has many different meanings to many of us. Sexy can be experienced as a virtual existing
program, an image, like those presented (encoded) in myths, artwork and archetypes, or those with rules of conduct for actors in pornography, susceptible to how sex is favored by those who enjoy to use and abuse life force energy. As I've said before, when life force energy is experienced in the lower chakra's below the heart-chakra, physical preference for using it is on the foreground, susceptible to astral entity's involvement, forms of addiction and vampirism and all kind of power-games. The exploring of the use of life-force energy has been accompanied by much force and power.
I don't need to give examples, they are numerous to this day.

When life force energy is experienced in the lower as well as in the chakra's including and above the heart-chakra, a different experience of life
force energy flow is possible. For in that fully embodied flow, I think this is true what Carol wrote "Orgasm is a re-experience of at-one-ment (singularity)" and that's possibly what is meant in that earlier mentioned meeting of 2 consciousnesses as the highest possible form of surrender
aka presence in ecstacy. Free flow of kundalini energy accompanied by consciousness.

All of these words of mine, in green, are in the company of my mind too, there's more than these two, but it simply remains my effort to express my view. On this subject and your views, possibly shared in the same manner  

Vidya Moksha wrote:Hey Folk.

Did you ever take a peek at my hatha yoga notes somewhere down in the bowels of the mists below this note..

well those notes have been expanded to include all aspects of ashtanga yoga, and my experiences of advaita - samadhi. Plus some general background.. Basically the book I was looking for when I first started my yoga journey..

Anyway, I am not selling the book (yet that will come later) but I do have to work out how to sell it. I have created the book, its with blurb now and I have 2 weeks before the book arrives for me to proof read.

then the hard part, or not.. selling and marketing.

Do people buy real books anymore? what would you pay for one? Is price so important for a book that interests you? Im guessing it will be on sale for $16-23 US .. plus shipping costs.. Would you want an e-book? I dont use them, unless i want a free copy of something or a quick look.. but they seem quite trendy these days.. It seems people are a tad reluctant to part with cash for books, when they are cheaper than a meal out in a restaurant, and will pay for yoga classes but not books... am I right?

Hope you dont mind me asking, I dont get out much and you folk are the only real contact I have with the virtual world, so worth an ask?

All feedback greatly appreciated and warmly accepted!

Vidya Moksha wrote:

im using a nom de plume, for those of you that know me in real life..

orthodoxymoron wrote:Congratulations Vidya!! I envy you!! Pen-Envy?? Good-Luck with Book-Sales!! I write every single day -- but I can't write a book -- even though I've probably written a couple of them on this site for free!! I wouldn't be able to communicate in a book what I communicate every day!! I use images, videos, and member-comments on my threads -- which I wouldn't be able to use in a book!! I guess I need YOUR advice more than you need MY advice!! I think my writing is disjointed and abrasive -- yet I think I reveal a lot of stuff which might be somewhat dangerous if anyone bothered to read it!! What should I do?? I need to pay my bills -- but I am too frightened, discouraged, and lazy to actually write a book that's Fit to Print. BTW -- I buy way too many actual books -- and I often have a difficult time finishing them!! I often read three or four books side by side. I often read books and watch videos side by side. Today -- I read from a couple of theology-books -- and then re-watched Jupiter Ascending. Yesterday -- I read theology-books and re-watched Ex Machina. I often enjoy reading my own words within The Mists of Avalon. That's sort of self-centered -- isn't it?? If I can't influence others -- perhaps I can influence myself. Hope Springs Eternal. Once again -- CONGRATULATIONS!!

Vidya Moksha wrote:thanks oxy.. there is no money in books, only for the few famous folk who sell millions of copies. The reality is that the printer and publisher and postal service make the money.

I am based in europe and printed it in the states through blurb, i ordered a copy to review and shipping costs and print costs to me, the author, were more than most people pay for a book. Im guessing ebooks wont have the same postage and logistical issues, but i like paper in my hand, not an electronic device..

I have been writing my whole life, so its kind of second nature now, though I used to produce scientific reports, im good at conveying complex issues in a simple way but not too hot with the flowery writing...

I needed 4 months of complete solitude to basically write this book, which started life back in 2005.. i have been messing with it since then, and using the notes as the basis for a hatha yoga class, but to include all the background and other experiences of mine, took me 4 months as i say. Where can you find 4 months solitude these days?

when i was living in india for pennies a day i would have been happy for this book just to be out there, for people to read... now i am in europe i have to feed, clothe and house myself and its mighty expensive, so what to do...

let the universe decide i suppose..

there were 3 people walking down the road... an artist, an author and the third person didnt have any money either

mudra wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Thank-you Vidya.
L. Ron Hubbard supposedly said something to the effect that
"There's No Money in Writing Science-Fiction. If One Wishes to Make Money -- Start a Religion!"
Hmmmmm.......Salvation4Sale???

Yes he did and apparently proved himself right. But he however died a poor , and unhappy man living in hiding  leaving his empire behind.
Follow your heart Oxy for that is the door to your soul-self. In truth the greatest treasure we have.

Love from me
mudra

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Thank-you mudra.
I'm already a poor unhappy-man living in relative-seclusion -- so what do I have to lose??
Siriusly -- Pain is the Cost of Doing Business in the Universe.
They Make You Pay -- One Way or Another.

Pris wrote:

B.B.Baghor wrote:

Pris wrote:

"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."

Not ready.

Sooooo sweet, Pris! Such a great way of distracting its bossy, away from the virtual world!

I agree with your point of view on offsetting insanity with humor as best as you can.

Awww, thanks!

Ahhh, but who is the bossy, who is the teacher, and who is the student?  

Pris wrote:

B.B.Baghor wrote:

Pris wrote:

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Oh, and what is virtual?

Ask.... and you shall be given... ahem... hmmm, let's see.....  

Oh, here it is:
Merriam Webster Dictionary

virtual

adjective vir·tu·al \ˈvər-chə-wəl, -chəl; ˈvərch-wəl\

: very close to being something without actually being it

: existing or occurring on computers or on the Internet

A bit like this? Or this bat catbeast in a dark night without a moon?



Your question, Pris: "Ahhh, but who is the bossy, who is the teacher, and who is the student?"
Bossy is kitty's friend online in front of that screen she's hanging on to, teacher and student are on holiday now  
With Mother Superior as chaperone  

Awww-some! Love the bratty bat-cat.  

What's the truth?

The cat is the boss,
....the teacher
.........and the student,
and we're the observers and creators
....of a world that is more virtual than 'real'
.........since it's mostly 'not there'.

Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Yup!  That's me!

JesterTerrestrial wrote:Well we have not given up as was the advice given to those who had access to the administrative controls during a power struggle still choking for air.  Seems to me that good old fashioned money is still the issues that the humans are crying about as nothing constructive can come from star seeds working together when ideas are stolen for cash generating business lol dont even get me started.  Had you not of banned the original round to cover up the cover up of the cover up something would be different. But what? And! Can it still be obtained!

The answer is enlightening at the very least. As for the most well, I guess you may never know.

Well lots of people around here dont know much about much just a great bit waste of time

Peace

MERLIN JT! MAAT

mudra wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:There are 1267 registered-users on The Mists of Avalon -- with only two-dozen regular (or semi-regular) contributors.

A similar ratio to what's happening on planet Earth Oxy. 7 billions people with a few regular contributors .
Maybe this tells us it's not about gathering everyone around a same goal not even the goal  we want to reach but rather the journey itself.
Let's not forget the power of One.



The power of One

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QzjqOl2N9c


Love from me
mudra

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Pris, Jester, and Mudra. Perhaps there are some things I should simply leave alone. Perhaps there are some legitimate reasons why the societies are secret. My level of discomfort has been unbearable for most of my life -- but I feel compelled to consider all of the possibilities -- regardless of the source -- and regardless of whether they make me (or anyone else) feel good about ourselves, or not. Unfortunately, I seem to ultimately make everyone (including me) hate me. I was told a very long time ago that 'giving people what they want, and telling them what they want to hear, is the way to go'. Perhaps this is why humanity has seemingly been ruled by secrecy and deception for thousands of years. Wasn't it Helena Blavatsky who said 'What is one to do, when to rule men, it is necessary to deceive them?!" Do we demand deception -- or do we gladly take the red pill? Here are some interesting posts by Brook and Lionhawk on the first 'Red Pill' thread. They are sequential, but might be separated by dozens of posts. They should write a book together. Siriusly. Notice especially the Feline references.

Brook: "For those of you afraid to take the red pill...you might want to stop reading and participating in this thread now... as I've found from personal experience, that it will activate within you, if you let it...certain "knowings” that will surface at any given time. And in that knowledge, you may find it will not be everything you wanted to know. But then again remember...the truth will set you free. And in knowing the truth...remember you have free will...and can make choices accordingly.

That being said, I will start by recommending a thread that was started by Orthodoxymoron, who I might add was brilliant in his deduction from AV1, and as it progressed I believe it brought to light some things that will stimulate your way of thinking about the “Egyptian” folklore of the “gods” they worshiped, and the symbols now being currently used in the Illuminati scheme of things.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18223&highlight=aman

Some would think that it is not necessary to delve into the past, as one member had mentioned. However to understand what might possible be the truth to much of what we deal with today..the symbolism in our faces daily if you look around.... It might be good to know what it all means...in the face of taking the red pill that is.

If you dig deep enough you might even see where our own DNA may possibly have been tampered with, and fragmented our sense of self and way of life as we know it now.

So I'd like to continue where some of the key points that triggered in me some “knowing” and see what input you all may have in these aspects of history and how it might have an effect on how we live today in the shadow of some of the great secrets that still to this day haunt us and most likely won't ever be known until we reach ascension and see the truth...or then again...you can take the red pill and dive in...see what you come up with …

so lets start off with one of the posts from that thread and look at Ptah....

Ptah

The origin of Ptah's name is unclear, though some believe it to mean 'opener' or 'sculptor'. As a god of craftsmen, the later is probably correct. He was a patron of the arts, protector of stone cutters, sculptors, blacksmiths, architects, boat builders, artists and craftsmen.

It was believed that Ptah created the heavens and the earth.

Ptah created the giant metal plate that was believed to be the floor of heaven and the roof of the sky, he also created the struts that upheld it. He created the universe by speaking words through his Tongue (linked to the god Thoth) and by thoughts coming from his Heart.

There came into being as the heart and there came into being as the tongue ...The mighty Great One is Ptah, who transmitted life to all gods, as well as to their kas... Thus it happened that the heart and tongue gained control over every other member of the body, by teaching that he, Ptah... is in every body and in every mouth of all gods, all men,and every thing that lives, by thinking and commanding everything that he wishes.

Thus the ka-spirits were made... by this speech... Thus were made all work and all crafts, the action of the arms, the movement of the legs, and the activity of every member, in conformance with this command which the heart thought, which came forth through the tongue, and which gives value to everything.

Ptah was a creator god, the third highest god in Egypt. He was the god presiding over the Second Egyptian month. From a local god of craftsmen to the deity who crafted the universe and the other deities, Ptah was only overshadowed by the sun god Ra, and the hidden god Amen. He fashioned the universe through words of power and by thought, as well as creating different parts by hand. He helped the dead on their travels through the afterlife, allowing them to transform into his divine figure, or by building the boats on which they could travel. He was the one who allowed the dead to be like the living after death

Sounds like a pretty powerful guy to me...in all of this legend and metaphor.

As on member brought to my attention in post number 277
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=220944&postcount=277

What did the Masons know? It is clearly worship of Ptah....but was he really such a good “God”? He is clearly worshiped in Egyptian folklore as a “God of Creation” ….stressing the word “creation”....what exactly did he create that should be worshiped in such “glory” for the Masons to revere? Then you clearly have a statue of Ptah with scales...

And what about the Merkaba.....
Mer... meant a kind of light that rotated within itself

Ka ....meant spirit, in this case referring to the human spirit

Ba.... meant the human body — though it also could mean the concept of Reality that spirit holds

And so the entire word in ancient Egypt referred to a rotating light that would take the spirit and the body from one world into another.....

Then you have Thoth...that's one for the records.....and if you read the Emerald Tablets...you see sparks of truth....also sparks of manipulation to a way of thinking that sounds very much like much of the “new wave” line of hypnosis....not to say there is not truth there...but in reading the Emerald tablets that are published....you might find yourself getting a slight to moderate headache....triggering something of a remembrance....or could it be a trigger to forget.....but of what? It certainly triggered me....and opened up a flood gate of things that seemed to fit into a neat little conspiracy in and of itself. More questions then answers from the Egyptian “history” that we seem to get.
There are still many “secrets” out there left to be uncovered...and on a global scale, I think if enough people got “triggered” in their own “knowing” of what the truth is...it may just astound you...and set the history books a blaze.

So for now have a look at some of the information on that thread..and soon enough I will add more. I really wish ODM was here to add...as he was very in tune with it..but we all have a past here to look at the truth. And many of you hold a “key” of knowing...so let the triggers begin. Namaste."

lindabaker: "Lionhawk: Forgive me if I am repeating a question that has been asked of you in previous forums. Tell us how you know all of this very interesting information, if you don't mind doing so. Are you an immortal who can remember a lot, or are you someone who has access to historical records previously unknown to most earth people? If the discs are not gold, what is their composition? By duplicates, do you mean discs that also work, kind of like burning another music cd? Why do the discs I see in my dreams look to be the size of large oranges? When will the information on the discs be revealed, and by whom, and where? What will the reaction be, do you think? Which Star family are you aligned with? Is your alignment with the Christ Energy, and if not, which alignment best describes your position?"

Lionhawk: "Calling me out, eh? No worries. When I look back on Av1 and Av2, I guess what I got hammered with most was where did I get my training. Simply because I think I scared some individuals with what I had revealed. How was I able to penetrate the secrets of those who had hidden agendas that participated on those forums? I never did answer the question simply because I felt it was a trap to do so. Plus, they wouldn't understand the answer even if I gave it to them. All I can say is I am who I am because I chose to be. Now that might sound like an egotistical statement, but without my ego I would be a blank. I am like the many who seek the real truth and will expose it when everything is in such alignment to do so. I also use what is in my toolbox by that I mean what spiritual tools I do have. Copy and paste is not a spiritual tool.

Where I get my information in regards to Egypt is not from the Internet. It is so packed full of lies, that if I did use that information, I would be caught red handed in seconds and probably burned at a stake somewhere.

Let me just say that I am from the Orion sector. My star lineage is the Family of An. Pronounced "on." It is the middle Star of Orion's Belt. EL-AN-RA. I am an Angelic in the Warrior Cast from that sector. Mother Mary, as far as lineages go, is my Mother. She has many sons and daughters and I am simply one of them. She informed me of this 2 years ago at my house in Florida in the kitchen. She said I was one of her Royal sons and wondered what had happened to me. I also know as of this moment why she stated that. Till very recently, her visit troubled me and I couldn't figure out why. Then she visited me once again and it was a very sad visit, as she had apparently gone to find out what had happened to me and why I was off her radar for so long, after her first visit. It all fits now as I have so much recall as to what had occurred and why she said what she said. Yes, Jesus is my brother. I am very proud to have a brother who has accomplished so much and who continues to serve in his present capacity. He is one of the commanders of the real Galactic Federation. Also let us not confuse him with a replica provided by the darkside called Lord Sananda, who serves as their version of Jesus of their copy and pasted Galactic Federation. You know the one where all the channeled messages come from.

How this recall occurred, is also an interesting story. As it turns out I had done it to myself and did such a good job at it. Somewhere, I had taken half of myself and gave it amnesia. There was a very important reason to do so. Reminds me of Claudia Black that did something similar to serve on a mission on the SG-1 series. Don't remember the episode. Of course there was a trigger word that would snap me out of it. That word was spoken to me on February 11th of this year by my mate. Everything changed at that moment. It was my name back in those Egyptian days. Mind you I didn't say I was Egyptian.

In any regard, I discovered that I had married into the Feline Race. That's how I ended up and why I have a current affiliation with them in the present. The marriage came about from two life streams from two separate countries, where both got involved with each other because of these discs. That involvement grew and became a sacred union as in such a way that had never been experienced before on the Earth. It was so profound as that sacred union also represented the unconditional love they had for each other and for the entire Earth and all of her people to such an extent that the Creator took notice and said that this sacred union would be used as a template in this Universe to go by in terms of unconditional love. This was a wonderful occasion where the Mother Mary linage and the Feline lineage came together in oneness. It was also sounded across the Universe so it is well known by other races as well. So if there is anyone out there who has any doubts as to what I have thus far written, feel free to get off your chair and find the answers. If you are all that connected to these other races that is.

These two life streams were obviously killed by the corrupt Draconian figure heads of those distant times in Egypt. Not necessarily for what they did to create a new universal template, but for defying the power elite's will. If they could not use you, consider yourself dead. That thought pattern still exists today. But when it all went down, these Bastards found out that they couldn't use everybody.

In the present, I am now living with a whole remembered heart. I am fully activated in the physical. I pay attention to many things now that I use to take for granted. For instance two butterflies flying through the air at incredible speeds, never extending more than a few inches from each other as they are flying through an area full of birds and predatory insects, celebrating their union with each other in flight. Also no fear. The one I married back then is the one I am with now. We are still married as we never allowed our love to be compromised by anyone or anything, even though they may have killed us at different times. William Wallace you say.....or did I say that? hahahhahhaa!!

The above Coat of Arms is where the trail jumped from Egypt to Scotland. Talk about triggers from Egypt. And you may wonder how it has anything to do with William Wallace. To be brief, these two love birds incarnated into this time line. My name was Alexander MacDougall and although I was married and had a castle, I also had a mistress, hidden in the hillside. This mistress was my sacred love. Her name was Isadora and she originated from Norway. She was murdered by some reptilian thugs. 4 of them attacked her while on route to help my son, John. Thus, her death started my new career in head loping. Talk about getting on a Karmic bicycle. I was also allied at this time with William Wallace against Robert the Brus. Also notice in the coats of arms, the lions and the ships. In other coat of arms you will also find the dragons. Again, it comes down to the conflict of the lions vs. the dragons.

Not to get out of topic here, but this thread is also about triggers. And if you were to look in your present life in the past, you will see things that came up and said here I am for a split second. As in how you might be drawn to an image or something that was said that ringed something within you. All these little rings bounced around for years and I never found an explanation for them until Feb. 11th 2010. All these little reminders fell into place. The little things that made you curious in that moment that you couldn't explain as to why it rang something inside you. Like maybe why you might had a curiosity about a certain figure in history but couldn't explain it.

All I can say is that I had thought my life to have been blessed before and now I look upon it as miraculous. It has taken a lot of inner work to get here but it has been worth it. Granted the inner work never seems to stop but I can relax a little bit now as I know things will be slightly easier. If you do the work you will find that your story is an amazing one. Also make note that I am not trying to put myself on any kind of stage here. I am just sharing it and I left a lot out. So for the ones that might have pithy comments, spare me. It isn't because I am the one who is insecure. I say what I just said so that I don't have to deal with your insecurities and I am sure there are others out there who are sick of that old record as well. I think we should spend more time celebrating those who are getting there instead of the bashing from those who are either jealous or just lack, period. You have to earn it, for yourself.

So I leave this here. I hope I answered more than you questioned Linda."

orthodoxymoron: "Wow Lionhawk! Your posts always floor me! Can you tell me if Reptilian Beings have Human Souls? OR -- do Human Beings have Reptilian Souls? Are we all Human/Reptilian Hybrids --- with various percentage differentials? Are Greys really Reptilians? Do Humans, Reptilians, and Greys have more in common than we think? Is most of this madness homegrown --- going back thousands of years --- right here on Earth --- mostly in North Africa and the Southwestern United States? Is the U.S. really the 'Head of the Snake'? Do the Underground Bases and the City States constitute the Biblical Babylon? Is Lucifer the Whore of Babylon? 'What fate Omoroca?' (Stargate SG-1 'Fire and Water') Nuff said!"

Lionhawk: "There he is! Good to see you old friend! Always wondered where you went. I know many disappeared for awhile and justly so. Often thought as to what you found in your digging of the truth. You have been missed. Again, great to see you once again.  

As far as flooring you, I will humbly take that as a compliment. But I'm not out here trying to floor anyone. Personally I think we are all basically truth seekers and we all have an individual way about going about it. Of course the cheap version of the truth is the copy and pasted version. Using only materials that someone researched and wrote out without doing any footwork to support their point of view.

The better version is finding an idea and pursuing it and then write down what you found. The process of proving it out in real time. How many books have we read where someone just took pieces of information and just pieced a book together? Without any experience being applied or melded in the book. Originality is the best way to go about sharing ideas and working out the puzzles that comprise the truth.

As to your questions, I will say I am no expert or an authority of other factions soul make ups. In my opinion however, I think the soul is of the same stuff across the board and it is whether how much light is allowed to shine by the free will of that soul or the choices that soul has made, regardless of the species it represents. Or the polarity.

What is most disturbing is how these Dracs have cheated DEATH. Most systems that I am aware of have a death cycle or a transition cycle. Usually there is a station where the soul goes back to and gets debriefed and adjustments are made and new lessons are given and the soul starts again on another quest. These Dracs have found a way to by pass that and have their own place or station as it were, to re spawn with full memory of who or what they were previously. In part, the technology in Egypt was used to do this. Now I also know there are other aliens who have done this but most of them know of a higher consciousness is present and honor the processes in an alignment with a God presence. The Dracs only honor their own presence. Everything and every life form is considered below them. So when I hear that there are good reptilians out there, I always end up asking where.

The greys are even a mystery. I think the government has a limited view point on them as well. Simply because they want to compartmentalize these beings. From what I have gathered, there are at least 20 species of this form out there. Not just the 4 types that have been revealed by government sources.

I have already given you in the past what has happened to Lucifer. That wasn't something made up. It also hasn't changed as to what he chose for himself. It's a done deal. One that I was allowed to witness. That event just amazed me as to the Creator's level of grace that he/she exercises. It is unlimited. It also showed me how deep the Creator's love goes for all of his/her creations no matter what they have experienced in this Universe, good or bad. No matter what polarity or frequency, these souls have chosen to experience.

This thread is a prime example of what I have mentioned in the above. Or the contents there of. And please don't feel like I dissed you by not answering all of your questions as some of those questions could apply in another thread and not here. I say that out of respect for what Brook is trying to accomplish in this thread.

Glad you are here ODM!"

Brook: "....spreading light on "dark secrets" is what I plan on doing with this post. You will not find this information in history books, or on the internet in the form of revealed "secrets" of the PTB. Some light has been shed on speculation of such...but the true nature of exactly what happened has virtually been erased....as was the continent of Atlantis, and Lumaria. All that is left is what some might tap into, and how much of that was filtered? Oh for sure there is truth in many of the stories of these kinds....and the puzzle is being slowly put together. So I will provide a piece of that puzzle here now. The role played by some key characters...and what the truth is about the story's they put forth...to get you to believe in something quite different.

One small but rather important piece that only the players themselves would be able to share...but as of yet have not....mainly because...the lies have overshadowed the truth. I have tapped into that truth.....and as such would be labeled a "loon" by the very ones that would see this story remain undiscovered. And for a very long time, I was afraid to share this....for the reason of safety...a fear program.......and because my emotional body was not ready to deal with such exposure, and the nature of the very concepts it surrounds. I have since overcome that emotion...and can now share what it is I have to reveal.....a small portion of the truth that you all have the right to know. And the role of the "players"...and where they stood in all of this. So lets start with some "key" players.....

Thoth...lineage..pure reptilian...Annunaki

Ptah...lineage...pure reptilian...Annunaki

Osiris....lineage....hybrid....Annunaki, feline....of the "royal" bloodline, earth based

Set...lineage....hybrid....annunaki, feline....of the "royal" bloodline, earth based

Isis.....lineage....hybrid....feline, earth based ...of direct decent...mother Sekhemt...of the royal lineage....and direct genetic coding to the discs and "throne"

Ra.....lineage.....sirian.....hybird.....of "Sun" decent....NOT ANNUNAKI....and in charge of operations here on earth, to oversee the Sirian feline earth based seeding.

So a marriage...to create a royal blood line....with direct connection to the "Discs", and the "throne"....between Osiris and Isis....set up by Ptah...who is now in control of operations.....a very bad marriage at that. Not the wonderful one painted in history. In fact..the so called "sister" of Isis....was nothing more than a story...she was actually a mistress to Osiris...and Isis had take her under her wing....to protect her. It also gave Isis the relief of having to be with Osiris...who she detested. Isis had no such sister....but took on Nephthys as a sister...and taught her how to do many things...one of which was how to tolerate Osiris.

As the story would have you believe.....Isis gathered together the pieces of Osiris with her "sister"...leaving out one piece...very appropriate....the phallus. She claimed the fish ate it......Now that's a fish story! and then she created the "book of the dead". to resurrect Osiris...and created a phallus of "sand" and impregnated herself with his seed to create Horus.

Oh boy...here goes....the truth is this.....in that tomb of Osiris...a meeting took place. Sekhemt, Ra and Isis.....the egg of Sekhmet the sperm of Ra were joined and Isis was made a surrogate of a "royal bloodline"...not of the Osiris, Hybrid....reptilian line but the feline sun lineage....and was made to be the watcher for Ra...the "eye of Horus" was a symbol of Ra...also know as the "Eye of Ra".....and Sekhmet...to watch over the goings on from the direct meddling of the Annunaki. And to carry on the line of those who were directly involved in the technology that had been stolen, and used to create for lack of a better term..."abominations"...of what should have been our direct connection to mother earth, and our universal lineage. Rather then fragmenting us and creating a "slave race"...to be multiplied and used for the purposes that you now hear of..that many have tapped into that truth and are now seeing...but few know how it came about...the actual deeds that created this time line...not the one that source intended.

Have you all stopped yet to think...what became of Isis? How did she die? did she really carry on to give all of these so call "channeling s" that are so prevalent on the internet and in the "new age" community? And if so....why don't you hear this story? And how come you don't hear of her "passing" as you do of Osiris? And what of this story that Horus is Jesus?....Isis is Mary?.....not hardly.

There is however a connection to that story. Another surrogate....Mary...named after the Mother Mary lineage.....surrogate to Jesus.....brought here to tell some truth....through a similar fashion as Horus. Propagated by the felines....but Jesus is not Feline.....the only connection is the cooperation of the geneticists...the Felines that helped with his birth. And the link..is the Star of Sirius.....cooperation to recreate where Horus failed...because Horus was found out...and challenged by his brother Set. Brother Set you say????? Wait....Set was the brother of Osiris......Caught them in another lie didn't we? Set the one that murdered Osiris...now after Horus.....a power hungry one he was....And Osiris...the brother of Isis?...........only in the sense that the lineage of a hybrid brought that in true form.....Remember...Osiris..hybrid....reptilian, feline..and earth based being......but not the sister of Isis in any form...other then the feline lineage that they wanted to keep in line with the genetic coding

And what of Isis? Where did she disappear to? Death ...at the hands of Ptah....who was furious with her, for reasons I will not share here..just yet anyway. But when one does not cooperate with a reptilian....at that time....it's death in a snake pit...and that was her end.....only to be remembered by those who had stories to tell of here visits..to such places as Greece. and with her she would bring the most extraordinary gifts.

Now you are probably wondering how I can relate such a story...and where the information came from. did I channel it?....not really.....but that is something I will not share on a forum. However, I will tell you I have validation.....and that I will not share on a forum either.

There are many more parts to this story....this is only a small but significant part. There are the Discs....and other factions involved...and this story would make "Gone with the Wind"...look like a child's book."

"I know you're out there...I can feel you now. I know that
you're afraid. You're afraid of us, you're afraid of
change...I don't know the future...I didn't come here to
tell you how this is going to end, I came here to tell you
how this is going to begin. Now, I'm going to hang up
this phone, and I'm going to show these people what you
don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world
without you...a world without rules and controls, without
borders or boundaries. A world...where anything is possible.
Where we go from there...is a choice I leave to you..."

"Exactly What Part of 'KNEEL!!!' Did You Fail to Comprehend??!!"
"I'm Sorry!! I Wasn't Listening!! I Thought You Said 'NEO' Your Majesty!!"  
"KNEEL!!!!"

Pris wrote:.
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That was quite the post, orthodoxymoron -- thanks!  I've been thinking about what to say about it for quite some time now, but I still don't know what to say.  Some of it I'm like... yeah, totally.  And, some of it I'm like...  uhh, don't think so.  An interesting read non-the-less.

orthodoxymoron wrote: Thank-you Pris. I love the cat and message!! It is reflective of how I feel. I am troubled by both pills. Brook tried to give me the red-pill -- but I kept pushing it away -- while I explored other options -- some of which were related to her red-pill -- but much less direct (and with a different context). I've gravitated toward Judeo-Christian Egyptology -- rather than Hardcore-Egyptology. I've created a study-guide which includes Egyptology -- yet which is quite speculative, imaginative, and interdisciplinary. I want the TRUTH -- g-r-a-d-u-a-l-l-y.....

shiloh wrote:

The Secret of the Dragon Daath

B.B.Baghor wrote:My words in green:

Ortho's words: "I'll say it one more time -- and perhaps one last time -- there's something attractive about the Thuban-Material -- yet I'm on a very-different wavelength. My United States of the Solar System threads are probably my version of the Thuban-Material. Perhaps Astronomy -- Jesus-Studies -- and Sacred Classical Music -- might be a Middle-Way between Thuban and Orthodoxymoron. That's all I'm going to say.
Namaste and Have a Nice Day".

I think I can understand why you find the Thuban Material attractive, ortho, like you've explained yourself. Your posts and theirs, as I perceive them, are often present in a mix of sensual-lust orientated content and a huge amount of abstract data... subtropical fruits from nebulous rainforests of seemingly intergalactic exploring and  the harvest of exploring and creating virtual realities. In the latter style I perceive the Thuban Material, not yours ortho, to be clear. Your quest for truth shines quite clear to me.

Carol wrote:

Sexuality does not exist at the higher spiritual dimensions as this is a creative process for pro-creation of a human body, a vessel for another soul to come down and experience spirit in matter. From observation it appears that it's easy enough to become confused about the energy and role of sex. Orgasm is a re-experience of at-one-ment (singularity) but within the form of matter. How sexuality is used is where problems can occur particularly where sexual abuse is involved and the over-powerment of one over another as this can lead to one becoming stuck in the lower dimensional realms.

Yet the experience of singularity at a purely spiritual level leaves the experience of physical orgasm in the dust. Meaning that there is much more in the spiritual realms to be experience then just at the 3D level. Now imagine being in the spiritual form and having the experience of singularity. This is an experience of what it is to be a quantum particle - no place and every where, zero point locality. For me this is true freedom which cannot be contained within words, or intellect, or even a physical form.

As far as I can understand, stuck in the 3D world of planet Earth, with most of my mind, sexuality does exist as sensuality: awake in all senses, in those realms of higher spiritual dimensions, Carol. To me, sexuality, as the expression of orgasmic energy, is life-force energy in its pure essence, without the many labels attached to it due to the physical manifestation in the coupling of male and female bodies, separated from oneness of gender on this planet, for a reason no other than to see what happens when that is done, by the beings who created this world of physical form: our physical bodies as male or female, in separation in general. I tend to think that the meeting-mating of 2 consciousnesses is the highest form of ecstacy and that this happens in non-physical realms as well as on this planet Earth. I've understood Tibetan tantra as one way to achieve that state, although I think there are lots of other ways too.

It's more a remembering or resurfacing of that state, in a natural unfolding, seized by any body in touch with a soul, in essence accessible for all human beings. To me it's not a training or initiation by way of a study, or going to the Hogwarth School of Sensual Wizardry, as a must. The Thuban Material shows up a bit like that, for it seems to me to be a world of fantasy, present on a 4D stage. Bonobo's have no words, they're expressing themselves present in the fulfillment of the moment. Shilo's words on the nature of bonobo's:

"No wars, no jealousies no violence and no abuse - but ever so sexy in peaceful and caring appreciation of each other in fullest passionate
expression of the cosmic self"

Those expressions in these videos, of the bonobo's are so beautiful and natural to me, shilo. I've shared a post on that subject earlier, here. It's highly subjective, that word "sexy" for it has many different meanings to many of us. Sexy can be experienced as a virtual existing program, an image, like those presented (encoded) in myths, artwork and archetypes, or those with rules of conduct for actors in pornography, susceptible to how sex is favored by those who enjoy to use and abuse life force energy. As I've said before, when life force energy is experienced in the lower chakra's below the heart-chakra, physical preference for using it is on the foreground, susceptible to astral entity's involvement, forms of addiction and vampirism and all kind of power-games. The exploring of the use of life-force energy has been accompanied by much force and power. I don't need to give examples, they are numerous to this day.

When life force energy is experienced in the lower as well as in the chakra's including and above the heart-chakra, a different experience of life force energy flow is possible. For in that fully embodied flow, I think this is true what Carol wrote "Orgasm is a re-experience of at-one-ment (singularity)" and that's possibly what is meant in that earlier mentioned meeting of 2 consciousnesses as the highest possible form of surrender aka presence in ecstacy. Free flow of kundalini energy accompanied by consciousness.

All of these words of mine, in green, are in the company of my mind too, there's more than these two, but it simply remains my effort to express my view. On this subject and your views, possibly shared in the same manner  

_________________
B.B.Baghor

Not all those who wander are lost.
Tolkien

Danke Schön Abbatissa!

Indeed, you represent a Cosmic Daughter and Bride from the Triple-B-Stars Mumma Nommo and your rather more universal understanding regarding cosmic - in favour and preference of human - sexuality is to be appreciated and commendable. Your words here exemplify what our common understandings regarding this subject matter of 'Universal Sexuality' might carry as a common basis and denominator.

"When life force energy is experienced in the lower as well as in the chakra's including and above the heart-chakra, a different experience of life force energy flow is possible. For in that fully embodied flow, I think this is true what Carol wrote "Orgasm is a re-experience of at-one-ment (singularity)" and that's possibly what is meant in that earlier mentioned meeting of 2 consciousnesses as the highest possible form of surrender aka presence in ecstacy. Free flow of kundalini energy accompanied by consciousness.
_________________
B.B.Baghor

Not all those who wander are lost.
Tolkien

Allow me to share with you something for long 'hidden and sequestered' from the general human library and information base - an indicator of this cosmic sexuality as expressed over 4000 years ago on this planet Earth. Furthermore, the Universe's sexual preferences are not at all comparable with what is termed pornography in the nous of humanity; but rather embraces 'Nature's formations', such as the Thuban Council shared with the example of the Bonobo culture as fundamentally different from that of their closest genetic relatives - the Chimpanzees. The Chimpanzees, whilst not engaging in what we might call a 'perverted form of sexuality' (as a true pornography); nevertheless exhibit most of those behaviour patterns associated with the latter. We might mention various forms of abuse, physical and mental, murder, cannibalism and torture in many forms of the alpha male syndrome of evolutionary biology and the excertion of control structures and what is generally termed 'male domination' of the female genders. Those characteristics then manifest in the human civilization in the institution of property contracts termed 'marriage' often skewed to the possessiveness and monogamy of the female, allowing the male the freedom to 'concubines' and 'handmaidens' in forms of often unwritten subjurisdictions and 'culturally accepted laws'.

The Thuban Council in no way or manner associates its well understood Universal sexuality with abuse of any kind; but demands the mutual consent and biological and biophysical maturity of all participants. So what Carol and many others term pornography might not constitute 'cosmic sexuality' relative to the council; but all forms of abuse and unequal forms of expression of the cosmic selfhood would be rendered unconstitutional or unlawful in the universal sense to the ET mentality and understanding. The nature of this 'Universal Sexuality' so would imply, that the entire creation is somehow 'cosmically sexy' and filled with a particular desire to merge and blend with itself via its own cosmically encountered environments. It is this you seem to have understood much better and far deeper than most human experiencers and feelers allow themselves to do. It is this the Bonobo exemplar exhibits of itself to its other closest genetic kin in the Gaian human. One might then ask the question of what renders the human sexuality different from this cosmic ET-sexuality? Does the earth born human have this cosmic sexuality and universal desire, but chooses to suppress it? Is it perhaps induced by some external or internal 'force' or evolution pressure to suppress its own cosmic nature?

You might be able to answer this question for yourself in comparing the 'Erotica of ancient Egypt' with that of the more recent 'Erotica of the Tantra of Kahjuraho'. You might then realise that the 'Cosmic sexiness' is rather engaged with the energy, often termed Kundalini or Chi or 'Orgone' or Lifeforce or 'Holy Spirit' and is super-erotic by nature and not at all associated with forms of abuse, powerplays and control and restrictions of one gender or 'sexual partner' over the other. It is indeed the desire for cosmic orgasm, in preference to a mere physical exchange of bodily fluids; which can be found at the core of a 'Supersexual creation' 'lusting' to remerge with its 'sexy creator'.

And because all humans know this on the soul level, but experience great difficulties to allow their cosmic identifications to 'overrule' their cultural and what we term their 'devilish mindful self deceptions' in their choosings of how to live and what to allow and what to disallow in their own sexual self expressions; it is because of this, that the most elementary and deepest aspect of the human biology has become suppressed and perverted by the cultural institutions and constructs used to build the human civilisation upon planet Terra.

And so it became necessary to enable the more appropriate cosmic perspective regarding things sexual and erotic to form an alternative representation of itself on Gaia and indigenous cultures native to Terra constructed and adhered to often different codes of etiquette and behaviour, including sexual intitiations and relationships. Ancient Egyptian culture associated sexuality not only with the reproduction of its population, but also with the 'afterlife' and the transition from the earthly life to the life with the gods and deities. Sexual interaction with the gods following the preservation of semi divine identities like Egyptian pharaohs and royalty in the afterlife necessitated sexual intercourse in proxy and made manifest in particular imagery and image making whilst incarnate in the earthly form. The Zohar of Hebrew-Sufi mysticism describes the same agenda and cosmic nature millennia later, but derives from the same universal or perennial philosophy the Egyptians obtained their nous from.

The temples of erotic image making, like Kahjuraho, Madhya Pradesh, India; then attempt to retell the importance and universal significance to 'share' all human sexual experience in their cosmically appropriate and natural form as the 'image making' the disincarnate cosmic identification requires to participate with the incarnated forms and bodies to its desired manner.

Any sexual orgasm or climax experienced on Earth in the 'Below', which then is 'shared' with the 'Above'; then gives a renewed meaning of and for the 'Kundalini rising'. What is of course required to manifest such a universal or cosmic or 'higher dimensional' partnership and relationship based intercourse of communication is a complete 'sharing' of the sexual activity of the embodied cosmic lifeform with the perhaps partially embodied or disincarnate morphology or bodyform of the 'Extra-Terrestrial' or 'Passed Over' lifeform for the 'Kundalini Life-Energy' receiver.

But then there exist a number of manmade interpretations of extraterrestrial dispensation of information codes; which have allowed a fake creator to 'lord' it over a 'real creation' as a sexless 'monstrosity god', masquerading as some perceived 'heavenly and nirvanistic purity' , whose major aim and purpose is to obscure, hide and pervert the true Universal Order and Lawfulness as a VEILed EVIL for the Universal aLIVEness of the Cosmic SEXuality! But as is encoded, the ET form of 'purity' and 'properness' or morality adhers to the purposes and intents of the real creator and laws and which can be observed by anyone in the 'Laws of Nature' such as particular sexual behaviours in a purity and naturalness or 'instinct', such as exemplified by the Bonobos.

This naturalness must then of course become anathema for the fake creator and its mental 'devilish' offspring; who are kept aLIVE as human minded energized thoughtforms or memeplexes as the EVILness of the natural. Subsequently a true climactic doorway to bridge the lower dimensions with the higher dimensions or the 'Below' with the 'Above' remains shut for the many cosmic humans who know better 'deep within', but are deceived and 'brainwashed' by their misunderstandings of the natural laws and misinterpretations. Those misperceptions, distortions and corruptions of 'Mother Nature's Ways' then become propagated by the  human interpreters of the latter as 'Sons of the Devil and the Perversions and Lies' masquerading as the 'Sons of God and the Holiness' under the authority of rabbis and popes and bishops and imams and priests of whatever human religious institution bestowing upon them not the authority of the creator but the authority of its non-existent LIVED Devil fake creator.

This 'Father god of all Lies' who was born from the under- and misinformed and self-righteous interpreters of the ET-Logos codes and dispensations in the misinterpretations of the information from the true creator to then became created as the human mind created phantom it represents to the ET councils or any sufficiently mentally evolved cosmic human finding himherself able to escape the 'clutches' of the mental imprisonment of the fake creator empowered by the human groupmind and collective consciousness displayed by the planetary Terran human civilization.

This manmade god of the 'believers' is the same as the antigod or 'no god' of the 'skeptics' and so will remain alive relative to both of those seemingly opposite human factions, as long as the believers with the unbelievers continue to feed the memeplex from both of their polarised positions often in an unnecessary and futile 'war of words and deeds' against each other. Let some with eyes to see see and let some with ears to hear hear!

Titus 1:14-16 - King James Version (KJV)

14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

GOT-Lambdin

(17) Jesus said, "I shall give you what no eye has seen and what no ear has heard and what no hand has touched and what has never occurred to the human mind."

(21) Mary said to Jesus, "Whom are your disciples like?"

He said, "They are like children who have settled in a field which is not theirs. When the owners of the field come, they will say, 'Let us have back our field.' They (will) undress in their presence in order to let them have back their field and to give it back to them. Therefore I say, if the owner of a house knows that the thief is coming, he will begin his vigil before he comes and will not let him dig through into his house of his domain to carry away his goods. You, then, be on your guard against the world. Arm yourselves with great strength lest the robbers find a way to come to you, for the difficulty which you expect will (surely) materialize. Let there be among you a man of understanding. When the grain ripened, he came quickly with his sickle in his hand and reaped it. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear."

(22) Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, "These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom."  They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?" Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom."

(29) Jesus said, "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, it is a wonder. But if spirit came into being because of the body, it is a wonder of wonders. Indeed, I am amazed at how this great wealth has made its home in this poverty."

(37) His disciples said, "When will you become revealed to us and when shall we see you?" Jesus said, "When you disrobe without being ashamed and take up your garments and place them under your feet like little children and tread on them, then will you see the son of the living one, and you will not be afraid"

(63) Jesus said, "There was a rich man who had much money. He said, 'I shall put my money to use so that I may sow, reap, plant, and fill my storehouse with produce, with the result that I shall lack nothing.' Such were his intentions, but that same night he died. Let him who has ears hear."

(96) Jesus said, "The kingdom of the father is like a certain woman. She took a little leaven, concealed it in some dough, and made it into large loaves. Let him who has ears hear."

(105) Jesus said, "He who knows the father and the mother will be called the son of a harlot."

Ezekiel 12:1-3 - King James Version (KJV)

1 The word of the Lord also came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, thou dwellest in the midst of a rebellious house, which have eyes to see, and see not; they have ears to hear, and hear not: for they are a rebellious house.
3 Therefore, thou son of man, prepare thee stuff for removing, and remove by day in their sight; and thou shalt remove from thy place to another place in their sight: it may be they will consider, though they be a rebellious house.

The editorial 'censor shippers' of Wikipedia and media presenters notwithstanding; the previous videos and the following descriptors might validate the understanding and wisdom of your Lilithian starry heart B.B. Baghor.

And should you have taken these words to your thinking heart in harmony with your feeling mind; then you can perhaps discern the meaning of the 'strange adaptations' from the 'Sapphire Tablet of Moses' aka the 'Emerald Tablet of Thoth', also associated with the ancient global Egyptian heritages in the label of Hermes Trismegistos.

Could you imagine a 'New World' wherein all so called 'deadly sins' and 'vices' of the 'Old World' are removed into just one of those, you might call 'lust sexual for equalitarian lust sexual' as universal and cosmically shared and mutual desire to merge and blend morphed bodyforms in environmental harmony and stimulus; just as the Bonobos do quite naturally? Would then not the behaviour patterns of avarice and gluttony, violence and hatred anger and the cravings for esteem and other such human 'vanities' and 'lust for power' in substitutes like Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles or 'IBMs' and 'nukes' and other 'toys of warfare' lose their potency as proxy for the phallic fertility and the yonic receptivity?

The composers of the ancient scrolls of antiquity are aware of this and have included this part of the 'Perennial Philosophy' within their texts and pages. Many know this axiom in a variety of names such as: "Do unto others, as you wish to be done unto yourself!" Perhaps you can now 'make sense of this admonishment found in the Apocalypse of John de Zebedee as the end of all encodings in the 'New Testament' of the ET-Logistics and dispensation.

As has been said and advised by the Council in earlier times; "Old Human Eat your Dragon!" This is necessity because as a resident in the Body of the Universe, you find yourself within the belly of Jonah's Whale, (yes now you know who or what this Jonah is), which has become transformed into the Body of the Lion of the Resurrection in the Assumption of the Cosmic Mother. Ask yourself why there is a 'birth in heaven' of a baby boy and not a simple return journey of a 'ascended' man who had visited the earth and your answer will show you why the 'Assumption of the Mother' is required by the heavens to allow such a birth to occur. You might also ask yourself how it can be that ALL the earth dwellers are deceived by this 'Red Dragon Devil' as the 'whole world' and not just the relative 'bad people' in relative opinionated judgement of the 'good people' or believers, unbelievers, infidels, heathen, goyim or labels of like classifications. If this is so; who then can discern the truth of the universe without suffering and experiencing self-deception from the 'deceiver'?

It has been said that the Lion is knocking on everyone's door to gain entry into everyones mind and heart from the within. Only once the Lion has gained acceptance and entry thereto, can your own door be opened towards the without. Only then can you leave the egg as your own cosmic womb from the within to enter the 'Kingdom of the New World of the FatherMother CreatorCreation' without. Then both you and the Lion are able to leave the quarantine zone of the cosmic egg.

Revelation 12:1-10 - King James Version (KJV)​

1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Revelation 22:16-21 - King James Version (KJV)
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

(7) Jesus said, "Blessed is the lion which becomes man when consumed by man; and cursed is the man whom the lion consumes, and the lion becomes man." - GOT/Lambdin​

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An ancient inscription is legendarily ascribed to the Egyptian Ibisgod Thoth (also sometimes identified with some archcherubimic character called Metatron) and is supposedly his hieroglyphic legacy left as a testimonial in the Great Pyramid of Cheops or Khufu.
It was translated ages ago by German archaeologists and exists as a prototype in the 'Amphitheatrum Sapientae Aeternae of Heinrich Khunrath', the 'Amphitheatre of Eternal Wisdom' and is dated to 1609.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Khunrath

Verba secretorum hermetis!

{1} Verum sine menda cio certum & verissimum, quod est inferi est sicut quod est superius & quod est superius est sicut quod est inferius; ad peristranda miracula rei uni.
{2} Et sicut omnes res fuerunt ab uno, meditatione unius, sic omnes res nuta fuerunt ab hac una adaptatione.
{3} Pater ei, est sol, mater eius luna, portavit illud ventus in ventre.
{4} Suo nutrix eius terra est.
{5} Pater omnis talismi toti mundi.
{6} Est hic vis ei.
{7} Integra est sive fuerit in terram separabis terram ab igne, subtile & spisso, suaviter cum magno ingenio.
{8} Ascendit terra in coelum, iterumque descendit in terram & recipit vim superiorum & inferiorum.
{9} Sic habebis gloriam toti mundi.
{10} Ideo fugi atite omnis obscuritas.
{11} Hic est totius fortitudinis fortitudo fortis.
{12} Quia vincet omnem rem subtilem, omnem que solidam penetrabit.
{13} Sic mundus creatus est.
{14} Hinc erunt adaptationes mirabilis quarum modus hic est.
{15} Itaque vocatus sum Hermes Trismegistus, habens tres partes philosophie totis mundi.
{16} Completum est quod dixi de operatione solis.

Mercurius Trismegistus in Pimandro.

Das Wort des geheimnisvollen Boten

{1} Wahrhaftig, keiner Lügen bewusst und auf das aller wahrhaftigste; das Unten ist dem Oben gleich und das Obere is dasselbe als da Untere; damit kann man das wunderbare eines einzigen Dinges erlangen und verrichten.
{2} Und wie alle Dinge durch die Wahl eines einzigen Wesens erschaffen sind, werden alle Dinge durch das Denken eines Einzigen mit dem Einen durch Schickung und Gebot wieder zusammengefügt.
{3} Die Sonne ist sein Vater und der Mond ist seine Mutter, der Wind hat ihn in seinem Bauch getragen.
{4} Seine Ernährerin oder Amme ist die Erde.
{5} Dieser ist der Vater aller Vollkommenheit dieser ganzen Welt.
{6} Seine Macht ist vollkommen.
{7} Wenn Es in der Erde verwandelt wird, dann wird das Erdreich vom Feuer scheiden und das Feine vom Groben; ganz lieblich mit grosser Bescheidenheit und Verstand.
{8} Er steigt von der Erde in den Himmel und vom Himmel wieder zur Erde zurück und gewinnt so die Kraft des Oberen und des Unteren.
{9} Auf diese Weise wird all die Herrlichkeit der ganzen Welt erhalten.
{10} Deshalb versetze von Dir allen Unverstand und Unvermögenheit.
{11} Das ist von aller Stärke die stärkste Stärke.
{12} Dann kann das übriggebliebene Subtile gewonnen und das alte, harte Gewand durchdrungen werden.
{13} Also ist die Welt geschaffen.
{14} Daher geschehen seltsame Vereinigungen und deshalb werden mancherlei Wunder gewirkt.
{15} Und sei darum gesund, Hermes Trismegistus, Besitzer der dreiteiligen Weisheit von der ganzen Welt.
{16} Er wird alles erfüllen, was ich gesagt habe, vom Werke der Sonnen.

Merkur, der dreifach Grosse, in Pimandro.

The Emerald Tablet of the Secret Messenger

{1} Truly, without fault and in all certainty and truthfulness; what is below is like what is above and the above is the same as the below, for the purpose to experience and bring about the wonders of the one thing.
{2} And as all things are created through the choosing of one being; so the thinking of one with the one, brings all things by command and fate together again.
{3} His father is the sun and his mother is the moon; the wind has carried him in his womb.
{4} He is joined together and nursed by the earth.
{5} This is the father of all completeness of the entire world.
{6} His power is all inclusive.
{7} At the time of its renewal, the soil shall separate from the fire and the subtle from the rough, acting sweetly and with great ingenuity.
{8} He ascends sagaciously from the earth into heaven and then descends again into the earth, thus regaining the unifying force of the above and the below.
{9} In this way is all the glory of all the worlds obtained.
{10} Therefore avoid all ignorance.
{11} Herein is found in all strenght the strongest strength.
{12} By this can the remaining subtle whole be won and the old solid whole be penetrated.
{13} Thus is the creation of the world.
{14} Henceforth the eventuation of strange adaptations by extraordinary methods.
{15} Accordingly be well, Hermes Trismegistos, keeper of the tripartite wisdom of the unified worlds.
{16} He will accomplish that of which I have spoken through the operations of the suns.

Mercury, the thrice-great, in Pimandro.

So who is this Hermes Trismegistos? It is the archetype for the 'Teacher of Righteousness'. Right throughout the ages of humankind, there have been sages, soothsayers, prophets and mystics of all kinds; some sincere and others praying on the superstitions and the gullibilities of the general members of the population. One remembers the Naassenes; an early Christian Gnostic sect and closely associated with Jesus-Yeshuah.

Tonyblue

The Council of Thuban; July 17th, 2015​

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Arts and sculpture​

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Khajuraho temples are famous for their erotic arts. These constitute about 10% of total art displayed at the monuments.​

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Erotic sculptures
The Khajuraho temples feature a variety of art work, of which 10% is sexual or erotic art outside and inside the temples. Some of the temples that have two layers of walls have small erotic carvings on the outside of the inner wall. Some scholars suggest these to be tantric sexual practices.^[52] Other scholars state that the erotic arts are part of Hindu tradition of treating kama as an essential and proper part of human life, and its symbolic or explicit display is common in Hindu temples.^[5][53] James McConnachie, in his history of the Kamasutra, describes the sexual-themed Khajuraho sculptures as "the apogee of erotic art":
"Twisting, broad-hipped and high breasted nymphs display their generously contoured and bejewelled bodies on exquisitely worked exterior wall panels. These fleshy apsaras run riot across the surface of the stone, putting on make-up, washing their hair, playing games, dancing, and endlessly knotting and unknotting their girdles....Beside the heavenly nymphs are serried ranks of griffins, guardian deities and, most notoriously, extravagantly interlocked maithunas, or lovemaking couples."

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Over 90% of the art work at the temple is about daily life and symbolic values in ancient Indian culture.​
The temples have several thousand statues and art works, with Kandarya Mahadeva temple alone decorated with over 870. Some 10% of these iconographic carvings contain sexual themes and various sexual poses. A common misconception is that, since the old structures with carvings in Khajuraho are temples, the carvings depict sex between deities;^[54] however the kama arts represent diverse sexual expressions of different human beings.^[55] The vast majority of arts depict various aspects the everyday life, mythical stories as well as symbolic display of various secular and spiritual values important in Hindu tradition.^[2][5] For example, depictions show women putting on makeup, musicians making music, potters, farmers, and other folks in their daily life during the medieval era.^[56] These scenes are in the outer padas as is typical in Hindu temples.
There is iconographic symbolism embedded in the arts displayed in Khajuraho temples.^[5] Core Hindu values are expressed in multitude of ways. Even the Kama scenes, when seen in combination of sculptures that precede and follow, depict the spiritual themes such as moksha. In the words of Stella Kramrisch,
This state which is “like a man and woman in close embrace” is a symbol of moksa, final release or reunion of two principles, the essence (Purusha) and the nature (Prakriti).
—Stella Kramrisch, 1976^[26]
The Khajuraho temples represent one expression of many forms of arts that flourished in Rajput kingdoms of India from 8th through 10th century CE. For example, contemporary with Khajuraho were the publications of poems and drama such as Prabodhacandrodaya, Karpuramanjari, Viddhasalabhanjika and Kavyamimansa.^[57][58] Some of the themes expressed in these literary works are carved as sculpture in Khajuraho temples.^[23][59] Some sculptures at the Khajuraho monuments dedicated to Vishnu include the Vyalas, which are hybrid imaginary animals with lions body, and are found in other Indian temples.^[60] Some of these hybrid mythical art work include Vrik Vyala (hybrid of wolf and lion) and Gaja Vyala (hybrid of elephant and lion). These Vyalas may represent syncretic, creative combination of powers innate in the two.^[61]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khajuraho_Group_of_Monuments

Council of Thuban, July 18th, 2015 - Day Two of the 'Endtimes'​

eenie -- meenie -- miney -- mo -- and still-mo -- all say:
"God Invented SEX!!!"

orthodoxymoron wrote:I'm sensing that most of us are moving toward being secret-agent types -- because the secret stuff isn't so secret -- and because we are being listened-to and watched (especially when we frequent forums such as this one). I feel as if I've screwed myself by researching and posting on the internet -- while simultaneously going downhill on the home-front. I feel as if this is irreversible. I wonder if there is a happy-ending to all of this?? The formerly secret stuff seems to be a bottomless-pit of problems and trouble. Anyway -- our paranoia regarding a world on the brink of who knows what -- combined with being watched -- probably makes us suspicious of those around us. "Is that a tall-gray alien I just had coffee with??" "Are CIA agents living next-door to me??" "Is the President a chip-implanted and highly-programmed android-hybrid??" "Am I being supernaturally observed 24/7??" You get the point. Our Brave New World might be sort of fun with all the gadgets and technology -- but I feel a cold-chill in connection with everything I'm seeing and sensing. At some point -- I suspect that we will wake-up to a very unpleasant reality -- but I'm not sure what that will be. I'm frankly shutting-down. My disillusionment and apprehension is becoming chronic and debilitating. I'm honestly trying to walk away from most of what we discuss. Things are moving too quickly -- and it's difficult to build upon foundations which might be swept away the day after tomorrow. I sort of enjoy researching and speculating -- but it seems to not be a constructive and productive activity. I thought I was helping -- but I don't think so anymore. My tolerance and going back to the mainstream will probably mean that I just don't give a damn anymore -- but it will be nice to not be a threat anymore. Caring and Helping are SO Overrated.

Carol wrote:I understand what you mean Oxy. There are days where I would like to live in a little house off-grid with a huge garden and pond or lake with fish where I go fishing in the early morning and work in the garden. Then in the afternoon do other stuff like paint, draw, cook and sew. There is something to be said for a simple lifestyle. These days I'd also just enjoy driving around in a small RV enjoying the sights of nature. When all is said and done the most important thing in life is our connection to one another, the planet, it creatures big or small and love.

Carol wrote:The Cutting-Edge Genius of Old Gadgets

Superseded objects often do stuff better than their replacements

Joe Queenan
Wall Street Journal
July 18/19, 2015

I am dying of thirst because the hapless man in front of me in line is having trouble with his debit card.  The way the hapless man in front of me in line is always having trouble with his debit card.

“Where do I punch in my password?” he asks the cashier.  I stand behind him, bottled water in hand, dying of thirst, clutching a $5 bill.

“How do I erase it if I made a mistake?” he asks the cashier.  I stand behind him, clutching my bottled water and a $5 bill, dying of thirst.

“Oh, I think I do want cash back,” he says.  “Should I start all over?”

I stand there behind him, clutching my bottled water and my $5 bill.  And a thought occurs to me.  What if debit cards had been invented first and cash was invented later?  Wouldn’t the person who brought the long green to market be treated with the same reverence as Marconi or Edison or Gutenberg?

“Wait a minute!  There’s no password required?” a shocked debit-card user might say, disbelievingly, using cash for the first time.

“No. You just hand them a piece of paper, and they give you change.”

“And there’s no way you can swipe the bill the wrong way?  And there’s no way your request can be denied because you don’t have enough cash in your bank account?  And there are no overdraft fees?”

“No, no and no.”

“And there’s no way some perfidious cabal of depraved Eastern European gangsters can steal your password and empty your bank account, reducing you to abject penury?”

“No way.”

“Gee.  Why didn’t somebody think of that sooner?“

Mail Attachment.jpegThis is the very crux of the enigma.  If cash had been invented after debit cards, the public would welcome it as one of the great timesaving innovations of all time.  They might feel the same way about the telephone.

“Wait a minute!  You mean to tell me that there’s a device that not only allows me, but requires me, to actually talk to my girlfriend, instead of texting her?”

“That’s what I’m telling you.”

“So I can hear her voice?  Actually hear her sultry, smoky, breathy voice while she’s thousands of miles away?”

“That’s right.”

“So I can scream at my kid when he tells me that he’s backpacking through Iraq with a bunch of garishly attired mimes and a perky Swiss lutenist?  Instead of texting him MEGO?  Or LOL?  Or WTF?”

“You heard it here first.”

“And I won’t get repetitive stress syndrome or arthritis in my fingers or blisters on my thumbs by talking to people on the phone?”

“Precisely.”

“And I won’t accidentally type ‘I wish you were her’ when I meant to type ‘I wish you were here,’ thereby bringing my fledgling romance to an abrupt and rather tragic demise?”

“The technology was devised specifically to preclude such mishaps.”

“Gee.  Why didn’t somebody invent that before?”

There are many, many devices or traditions or foods superseded by exciting new inventions that in some ways are inferior to the thing they rendered obsolete.  What if Caesar salads had been invented after kale?  What if sound systems with powerful speakers and booming bass had been invented after tinny MP3 players?

What if department stores where you can actually try on the shoes had been invented after online shopping?  What if Mustangs followed Priuses, and ice cream arrived after frozen yogurt?  What if real beer that packs a wallop and actually has a detectable taste had been invented after lite beer?  Wouldn’t everyone stand up and pay attention?

Let’s not even talk about lovingly crafted, beautifully illustrated, limited editions of “Romeo and Juliet” being invented after e-books.  Let’s just leave that topic alone.

Source:  http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cutting-edge-genius-of-old-gadgets-1437143832

orthodoxymoron wrote:That was profound, Carol!! I've thought it -- but I haven't said it. I even wonder if we can learn something from early Ufology which is lacking in "Everyone On the Bandwagon!! Let's Make a Fast-Buck!!" Ufology?? I'm actually reading books from the 1800's and watching movies from the 1960's!! I go to 1930's to 1980's car-races. I ride on home-crafted model-trains based on steam-trains from the early 1900's. I have a "Dumb-Phone" instead of a "Smart-Phone"!! I read the King James Version of the Holy Bible -- instead of some Newfangled Translation or Paraphrase (with study-notes by Dr. E. Power Biggshot)!! My favorite music is from the 1700's!! "Go for Baroque!! Latter-day Luddites Unite!!"

"Orthodoxymoron Escaped Again, Your Majesty!!!"

"Failure Shall NOT Be Tolerated!!!"
"Find Orthodoxymoron NOW!!!"
"The Innocent Shall Suffer!!!"

Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Pris. I love the cat and message!! It is reflective of how I feel. I am troubled by both pills. Brook tried to give me the red-pill -- but I kept pushing it away -- while I explored other options -- some of which were related to her red-pill -- but much less direct (and with a different context). I've gravitated toward Judeo-Christian Egyptology -- rather than Hardcore-Egyptology. I've created a study-guide which includes Egyptology -- yet which is quite speculative, imaginative, and interdisciplinary. I want the TRUTH -- g-r-a-d-u-a-l-l-y.....

But... that's just it.  I'm also troubled by it all.  How on Earth is it possible to know what IS truth?  It could all be just a bunch of stories for all I know.  My own personal experience/knowing to verify any of it is meager at best.  Speculation is fun and I'm as curious as they come.  I'll consider anything.  But, we've been handed so much misinformation and lies, we really don't know up from down so my skepticism is in full swing.  I mean... even the Emerald Tablets.  That could be all bull shite propoganda hammered out into rocks from Day One (assuming even the Emerald Tablets are 'real').

And, let's not forget the illusion of 'choice'.
It kind of gets messed up with 'truth'.

orthodoxymoron wrote: Thank-you Pris. I keep coming back to the concept of "How Do We Know ANYTHING With Any Significant Degree of Certainty -- Especially Relative to Antiquity and the Other-Worldly??" My United States of the Solar System threads are my feeble attempt to create a Religious and Political Science-Fictional Context -- in which to contemplate various possibilities which I have tried to refine into probabilities. My quest is very passive and quiet. I'd probably push a lot harder if I thought I'd live to tell the story. I'm simply attempting to keep-up with all of the internet-madness -- rather than being a Lone-Ranger in Shining-Armor. I've mostly vowed to keep my tripe within the confines of The Mists of Avalon -- where very, very few people (and other-than-people) pay any attention to it. I've tried to relive some old "in-house" theological-battles, which are probably of zero-interest to others -- but I've presented them in a somewhat organized-form in an unconventional-context. I don't claim to "Have the Truth". I merely create an educational and entertainment resource for those with "eyes to see -- and ears to hear". It probably doesn't do me, or anyone else, any good -- but it's just what I do. I knew a college-classmate who used to solve calculus-problems just for the fun of it. I attempt to solve the universe's-problems just for the fun of it. I started-out trying to solve the world's-problems -- until I realized that Earth's problems could not be solved without reference to the Entire Solar System. Then, I realized that Solar System Governance was directly-related to how the Entire Universe is run. Who and What God and the Universe are REALLY Like has EVERYTHING to do with how business is done on Planet Earth. BTW -- I can't even properly run my own life -- so why should I attempt to run anyone else's life (even if they wanted me to)?? One more thing. I recently met an elderly-woman who reminded me of my conceptualization of who I think MIGHT run the solar system!! She seemed to be very smart and tough -- yet very subtle and unassuming. I just got the feeling that she could make mincemeat out of anything I could say or do -- in no uncertain terms. She used the term "bullshit" -- which I have used repeatedly throughout my threads. Consider a combination of Dr. Josephine Mataros in Earth: Final Conflict -- "Kate" in East of Eden -- Sherry Shriner -- and the Little Old Lady from Legion. What Would the Little Old Lady from Pasadena Say?? "World Without End. Almond Raw??"

B.B.Baghor wrote:

That quote "Remember, all I'm offering you is the truth... nothing more" is a contradiction in itself, as I see it, for truth
can never be offered, only found in a way that is mentioned here earlier "When the student is ready, the teacher arrives".
That teacher, to me, is the state of awareness you've arrived in, by your own steps on your own road in life, just as it
should be, for no other way can offer you autonomy.

That quote is a line present in a movie-script. It's a mental concept, which triggers a deep-seated desire in many viewers
to be handed the truth. In other words, to be saved by the work of another living being who has done the work for them,
finding it.

Taking this a step further, one can become aware of that desire and begin questioning the cause of its presence.
Both possibilities of discerning the truth of that moment, prove here and now, that the truth is hiding in the folds of
awareness, the observation of thinking and thought, which is humorously pointed at by David Bohm as a thing of the
past, thought is past time thinking.

I've never found a truth as an absolute form in existence, as a stone causing a blue toe while strolling the fields, in a
night with a new moon. Between all the mewsings, squeeks, sighs and hisses, the questioning and questioning of that,
I suggest a listen to David Bohm. Not that he tells the truth, but he's one of a rare species passing the boundaries of
limits in tackling the thought process. The title is therefore "Beyond Limits". This whole idea fascinated Bohm and he
considers logic as a result of instinctual thinking, a repetition of the same and therefore restricted in a way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGyDVF8GrLk&list=PL4412C60E5E48101A


Copied from the thread I started, on the nature of the mind.

Ortho's words: "Perhaps there are some legitimate reasons why the societies are secret. My level of discomfort has been
unbearable for most of my life -- but I feel compelled to consider all of the possibilities -- regardless of the source -- and
regardless of whether they make me (or anyone else) feel good about ourselves, or not. Unfortunately, I seem to ultimately
make everyone (including me) hate me. I was told a very long time ago that 'giving people what they want, and telling
them what they want to hear, is the way to go'. Perhaps this is why humanity has seemingly been ruled by secrecy and
deception for thousands of years" I think you may shake hands with David Bohm, for the urge to go "Beyond Limits".

At some point in Bohm's career, he chose to leave science, for he found that scientists focused merely on measurement,
maths and putting data into a form. He tried to discuss the nature of quantum physics, the change in the material related
to the thinking process of the observing person present at the test or experiment and the unpredictability of that change
as well as in the thought process itself. This part is in the 8:15 minutes part of the tubby.

There you have it: no absoluteness in defining on a quantum level and in a thinking process, see? Bohm found similarities in
both worlds of physics and consciousness. As far as I've gone into this, truth is an experience of having the realization that
something is true, immediately (or later) accompanied by the awareness that in a later moment in time, that truth makes
way for another truth. Or else fanatism turns up, in an implosion of wrongly directed enthusiasm.

Note: The word enthusiasm comes from the ancient Greek word eufousiasmz EN +THEOS meaning "inspired by or possessed
by God". In my view as unholy abbess    "God" may be the equivalent of an experience of being in the NOW.
Enthusiasm is firmly a "present moment" emotion, all of oneself is involved, isn't it? And now I'm looking away from my screen,
to enjoy the view of the sky at dusk, floating clouds with pink and violet frivolities.....  a meeting of different vibes here    


http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t7538-the-nature-of-the-mind-with-jiddu-krishnamurti-rupert-sheldrake-david-bohm-and-john-hidley#114095

orthodoxymoron wrote:

The problem with being Part of the Establishment in Any Discipline is that there are expectations
and restrictions, and one commits "Career-Suicide" if they don't "Play the Game". "Odd Man Out!!"

B.B.Baghor wrote:

No offense, ortho, I think you've taken it upon you to carry the world on your shoulders in want of solving
all wrongs and injustice. Your mind seems to go never on a holiday and in that state it's hard to lighten up and see
things in proportion. I wish for you to hold that world in your hand one day...... and exhale in the    

orthodoxymoron wrote: Thank-you B.B. I once sat across the table from a classmate in a college-cafeteria, listening to him describe his state of "uncertainty regarding life, the universe, and everything". He had a conservative-church upbringing -- yet he had no idea regarding the true state of affairs. In that same cafeteria, I spoke with an intelligent young-lady who said that the Bible could be made to say just about anything. In the shadow of that same cafeteria, I heard a young-woman arguing with a pastor, crying "the Bible is NOT the Word of God!!" I stood next to an Episcopal Rector, looking at a shelf-full of Bibles, to which the Rector mocked the term "Word of God". I have spoken with individuals who seemed to be Other-Than-Human who were clearly against Humanity. Another Episcopal Rector told me that I appeared to be "Carrying the Weight of the Whole World" -- and I hadn't discussed anything with him. I could go on and on and on. I fully intend to completely stop public comment - yet I can't seem to bring this soliloquy to a somewhat satisfying conclusion. I've even somewhat jokingly considered placing myself in some sort of facility where I would be denied access to the internet, newspapers, magazines, books, and visitors -- for probably a week -- just to stop "Cold-Turkey". As I stood in a Catholic Church -- a Priest told me I "shouldn't be so hard on myself". That's really saying something -- coming from a Roman Catholic Priest!!! I haven't quite decided which is worse -- the Dark Teachings of the Catholic Church -- or the Dark Teachings of the SDA Church -- especially when one REALLY thinks-through all of the implications and ramifications!! What I've done on this website seems to have done absolutely no good. Just the opposite, in fact. I can cut the hatred with a knife.

Consider Charles Hapgood and Douglas Vogt. Consider the dates 1958 -- 2012 -- 2046 -- and 2133 A.D. I'm too tired to explain why. Actually, Hapgood's book regarding "Earth Crust Displacement" was published in 1958. It was featured in the movie 2012. Hapgood was struck and killed by a car on December 21, 1982 -- exactly 30 years prior to December 21, 2012. Coincidence?? It is 87 years from 1958 to 2045 -- and 87 years from 2046 to 2133. Douglas Vogt claims that the sun will go nova in 2046 -- which will supposedly produce a lot of the destruction featured in the movie 2012. I have speculated (with some substance) that the 2300 days-years of Daniel 8:14 begins around 168 B.C. -- and ends around 2133 A.D. This involves the "Cleansing of the Sanctuary" -- which implies vindication and restoration -- and the complete removal of that which defiles. I could explain and clarify -- but I'm too tired right now. I simply think there is a possibility that Job through Daniel have been neglected and misunderstood -- and that these 10 books are not particularly supportive of ANY religion!! I've tried to study these books -- but I'm not making much progress. My burnout and disillusionment is seemingly out of control and chronic. I hope it's not terminal. Anyway, despite everything, I'll probably listen to Sherry Shriner before I go to sleep -- even though I know I shouldn't. I am Wary of Sherry -- yet I continue to be a regular-listener -- but not a devoted-follower. Not even close. I could give several reasons why I listen -- but not tonight. Namaste and Godspeed.

Carol wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27LSSR2zSkg

Dr. Rima Laibow – ‘Doctors Are Being Assassinated For Taking On Big Pharma Corruption’

http://galacticconnection.com/dr-rima-laibow-doctors-are-bing-assassinated-for-taking-on-big-pharma-corruption/#sthash.9D0kDog9.mBvdB9fX.dpbs

orthodoxymoron wrote: Please forgive the following rant. Consider a Dynamic-Equilibrium Between the Medical--Military--Money Complex -- and the Prevention--Peace--Philanthropy Complex -- rather than engaging in Primitive WWI Trench-Warfare. I think one should become very knowledgeable in ALL SIX AREAS -- and then facilitate a Guerilla-Warfare Internal-Jihad between BOTH GROUPS!! It might take quite a while to see the wisdom in this -- but I didn't just pull this concept out of an anatomical black-hole!! An Ivy-League Ethics-Committee might be an excellent context for this sort of thing to be fully-explored!! Also -- think about this matter in the context of Hypothetical Star-Wars!! This might take years to really sort-out. I could say a lot more -- but it hurts too much -- and you need to think this through on your own. I mostly lead readers to the edge of truth -- rather than cramming it down their throats -- or throwing them into the middle of it. You can lead a horse to water -- but you can't make it pee!! I learned that one from a Boeing-Executive!! Honest!! This same executive thought the internet would be the salvation of humanity (or something to that effect) -- and this was when the internet was first emerging. I attended their memorial-service at a military-cemetery (complete with a 21 gun-salute). They had worked on virtually every new-plane project since WWII. I still wear their suit -- and it really makes me think. I don't know why I said all that.

We could live Minimalist-Luddite Lives (with probably a hell of a lot less trouble) -- but we might be warriors (going way, way, way back). What we were before we were human might have EVERYTHING to do with the conflicts and realities which exist on Earth today. Ellen White promoted natural and preventive medicine -- yet the SDA church invested heavily in drugs and surgery acute-care medicine!! Follow the fame, fortune, and power!! What Would Dr. John Harvey Kellogg Say?? What Would Dr. Zane Kime Say?? What Would Mr. Edgars Say?? What I'm getting-at is Surgeons -- Generals -- and Financiers are all Warriors -- and We the Peons seem to Worship MONEY -- POWER -- the RICH -- and the POWERFUL!! We Want a God of POWER and MIGHT!! Right??!! Come-On!! Be Honest!! And hell -- if the Aliens Attack -- it's nice to be READY FOR WAR!!! Both the Micro and the Macro should be viewed with a Micro-Scope and a Macro-Scope!! I've suggested that the Bible is a BOOK OF WAR -- rather than a BOOK OF PEACE!! Perhaps that's why General Patton (or was it Macarthur?) read his Bible "every god-damn day"!! Once again -- you might need to spend a hell of a lot of time thinking about this to really get what I'm talking about.

I've tried to be reflective, open, and honest -- but that hasn't worked. Perhaps I should spend the rest of my life preparing to be a Bad@$$ Warrior in my next incarnation!! I'm really NOT Kidding!! I'm re-watching Clear and Present Danger (with Harrison Ford). I think that movie contains a lot of valuable lessons. Once again -- you'd all respect me if I were Rich, Famous, Powerful, and Respectable -- wouldn't you??? Nobody respects me -- and I don't even respect myself. Perhaps things will be MUCH different in my next incarnation. Perhaps some things NEVER change in this universe. Perhaps an Almighty-Warrior-God with Absolutely-Obedient-Soldiers has been the tried and true Modus-Operandi for Billions of Years!! If you'll excuse me -- I need to spend the next two hours reading about War and Conquest in the Old Testament -- to prepare myself for "Heaven"!! An "Ancient Egyptian Deity" told me that we had "Fought Side by Side"!! Sometimes I think I remember -- but I'm not sure. The AED said that my "Bad-Side Would Manifest Itself". What if I turned-out to be an Ancient "Darth-Vader"?? That frankly wouldn't surprise me!! What if, at some point, I tried to be a nice-guy -- and got royally-screwed by those I tried to help??!! That frankly wouldn't surprise me!! But what if the "nice-guy thing" was simply a "red-herring"?? What if I'm not as simple, stupid, and nice as you might think?? What if this pathetic incarnation of mine was intended to test YOU?? That frankly wouldn't surprise me. So -- where do you want to fight?? My planet or yours?? Just kidding!! Or am I?? Perhaps the Medical--Military--Money Complex comes first -- and then, when you win -- you can worry about the Prevention--Peace--Philanthropy Complex!! In other words -- after you defeat the enemy in good old-fashioned Old-Testament Ruthless-Conquest -- you can consider being nice to the Survivors!! Right??!! Be Honest!! Which was worse?? The Old-Testament -- the Crusades -- the Inquisition -- the Nazis -- or the Communists?? Is the Book of Revelation any better than any of these?? Think About It!! Be Honest!! I've been told that I have "Friends in High-Places"!! Should that be a cause for concern?? Who Knows?? Dr. Who?? Anu?? Who??

orthodoxymoron wrote:I knew a Huntington Library Lady who was fond of the words "PROVE IT!!" All I really seem to know is that we don't know who we are -- we don't know where we came from -- we're screwing-up what we're supposed to be doing (whatever it is) -- and we don't know where the hell we're going. "Thinking One Knows" and "Really Knowing" are two VERY different things. Perhaps everyone and everything are biased. There's always another way of looking at everyone and everything. Information, Event, and People Management seems to be a real Can of Worms. Think about the stories of the Garden of Eden and the Tower of Babel (fact -- fiction -- or historical-fiction?). On some level, does Ignorance equal Righteousness?? Is Ignorance Virtuous-Bliss. At what point does one legitimately question authority?? At what point does due-diligence become irrational-rebellion?? Has anyone heard of "Righteousness by Senility"?? Does God openly require Absolute-Obedience or can we Pick and Choose?? Does Satan openly require Absolute Obedience or does he and/or she simply give us the Illusion of Freedom -- while firmly controlling us from the shadows?? I've taken a largely quiet and science-fictional approach to life, the universe, and everything -- within this particular website -- simply because I don't know (with any significant degree of certainty). I am truly a Completely Ignorant Fool. Guilty As Charged.

B.B.Baghor wrote: Welcome to the human race, ortho. You may not like to hear this, but you ARE one of us. Resistance may prove... futile? Ahem. As far as we ARE human beings here, welcome! These days, you never CAN now, can you? Know that I am human, I can see the tree outside, moving in the strong breeze. On the table of my terrace, just outside of where I am now, is a coloring book waiting to leave the black and whiteness of its pages. My color pencils are next to it. Coffee is in the perculator, I'm eating now, with Chinese sticks.

orthodoxymoron wrote: Thank-you B.B. I guess I'm attempting to understand the differences and relationships between Heaven -- Purgatory -- and Hell (Past -- Present -- and Future) which seems to involve properly understanding Responsibility -- Freedom -- and Obedience. One who I have chosen to call "The Ancient Egyptian Deity" told me that the reality of Non-Human ET's with Socialist-Governance -- with Absolute-Obedience to an Absolute-Ruler -- worked MUCH better than that which exists on Planet Earth. When I expressed sympathy and empathy toward Earth-Humanity -- they seemed to say that saving Humanity would be a mistake. They said Humanity was "screwed". They implied that Earth might really be Hell. I have tried to explore these matters within my U.S.S.S. threads -- but no one has honestly and thoroughly discussed it's contents with me -- even though I know "Those in the Know" are VERY capable of doing so. I'm presently attempting to wash my hands of the whole matter -- and just move on -- to who knows what? -- and who knows where? -- in who knows what physicality (or lack thereof)?! BTW -- the AED told me that my participation in the Crystal Cathedral had changed the mind of a Significant-Someone regarding me. I know several Significant-Someone's (who I spoke with privately and repeatedly) who were dead-set against Dr. Robert H. Schuller and the Crystal Cathedral. I've always considered that particular ministry to be Reformative rather than Normative. It was simply an enlightening and broadening learning-experience. After four years of participation -- the founder yelled at me in public -- and I moved on to a rather private and quiet version of Judeo-Christianity. I broke my silence around 2008 -- and I think I've spent the last seven years pounding nails into my coffin (with me inside). How does that work -- exactly???

Pris wrote:

B.B.Baghor wrote:

No offense, ortho, I think you've taken it upon you to carry the world on your shoulders in want of solving all wrongs and injustice. Your mind seems to go never on a holiday and in that state it's hard to lighten up and see
things in proportion. I wish for you to hold that world in your hand one day...... and exhale in the    

I agree.

Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote: I merely create an educational and entertainment resource for those with "eyes to see -- and ears to hear". It probably doesn't do me, or anyone else, any good -- but it's just what I do.

How do you know that the information you are... relaying... is 'helpful' in some manner?  I'd be careful to use the word 'educational'.  Would you call 'misinformation' educational (how do you know what you're sharing isn't misinformation)?  And, even if your information was sound, do you really want to 'educate' people, or do you want to 'enlighten' them?  

As an entertainment resource -- that which you create... possibly.  I guess that depends on each and every person's entertainment (entrainment) requirements.  As for doing it all for those with 'eyes to see and ears to hear'... that's rather presumptuous and slightly egocentric of you to assume you have anything to offer that is worthy of being seen and heard.

Don't get me wrong.  I'm a big fan of 'ego'.  That's why I like David Wilcock so much btw (like has nothing to do with having to agree with everything he says).  As for having an overblown 'ego'... I see it as a kind of weakness that I find strangely appealing.

orthodoxymoron wrote: I started-out trying to solve the world's-problems -- until I realized that Earth's problems could not be solved without reference to the Entire Solar System. Then, I realized that Solar System Governance was directly-related to how the Entire Universe is run. Who and What God and the Universe are REALLY Like has EVERYTHING to do with how business is done on Planet Earth. BTW -- I can't even properly run my own life -- so why should I attempt to run anyone else's life (even if they wanted me to)??

Okay, when you start talking about the solar system and outer-worldy stuff, you lose me.  There's really nothing to substantiate it.  Stories.  Who wrote the words?  Who said the words?  Who cares?  It's all just stories.  There's supposedly giant ETs out there, for example, and their skeletons are all over the place.  Conveniently, all the heaps and heaps of bones are hidden away.  I'd really like to see some proof.

Also, you're making an assumption that the universe is connected to some kind of God.  Unless you are being sarcastic...  yes, there could be some self-appointed evil 'god' pretending to be in charge of things (not unlike Dr. Evil lol).  Anything's possible.  It's also possible this universe might be an illusion so technically whoever thinks they're in charge are really in charge of Jack Shite.

And, you cut yourself down with 'I can't even properly run my own life'.  Does that really bother you?  Welcome to the club.  Who cares?  Does it really matter?  Obviously, you wouldn't want to attempt to run anyone else's life -- especially if they wanted you to.

But, then again, we're all just a wee bit entangled, aren't we?  And, some of us feel needy and vulnerable.  Bad stuff happens when power-trippers take advantage of others in their needy, vulnerable state -- instead of protecting and helping them (to learn to help and empower themselves).

Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote: Please forgive the following rant.

Lol!  Please forgive my response.

orthodoxymoron wrote: What I'm getting-at is Surgeons -- Generals -- and Financiers are all Warriors -- and We the Peons seem to Worship MONEY -- POWER -- the RICH -- and the POWERFUL!! We Want a God of POWER and MIGHT!! Right??!! Come-On!! Be Honest!! And hell -- if the Aliens Attack -- it's nice to be READY FOR WAR!!! Both the Micro and the Macro should be viewed with a Micro-Scope and a Macro-Scope!! I've suggested that the Bible is a BOOK OF WAR -- rather than a BOOK OF PEACE!! Perhaps that's why General Patton (or was it Macarthur?) read his Bible "every god-damn day"!! Once again -- you might need to spend a hell of a lot of time thinking about this to really get what I'm talking about.

I'm always honest as far as I'm consciously aware, thanks.  As for what you ranted about, speak for yourself.  I am absolutely not interested in all those things (well, maybe just a bit once upon a time when I didn't know any better.  These days, not interested).  It all quite disgusts me.

And, thank you very little (heavy on the sarcasm), I've thought about it for a hell of a lot of time and have determined that, yes, it all disgusts me.

orthodoxymoron wrote: I've tried to be reflective, open, and honest -- but that hasn't worked. Perhaps I should spend the rest of my life preparing to be a Bad@$$ Warrior in my next incarnation!! I'm really NOT Kidding!!

Oh, for goodness sake -- how do you know it hasn't worked?  This isn't all about you, you know.  Maybe what you're sharing is 'working' for others.  After all, 'others' are reading this.  But, to just throw your hands up and 'give in to the dark side' lol...  Why do you need some 'reward' in this lifetime for having done, what you consider to be, the 'right' thing?  Just do the right thing.  Whatever. (I'm still waiting for some proof that reincarnation is really real and/or even necessary, but that's another topic.)

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Great.  Psychopaths.  And, quotes from psychopaths.  That's all we need.

Finally, on a positive note:

B.B.Baghor wrote:Pris words: "And, some of us feel needy and vulnerable.  Bad stuff happens when power-trippers take advantage of others in their needy,
vulnerable state -- instead of protecting and helping them (to learn to help and empower themselves)".

Yes, "XXXX" and (in another arrangement of letters) "this" is what happens on this planet, in full daylight with the help of social media
and collective awareness, Pris. Forgive me, I tend to present a very broad picture. I've found that neediness and vulnerability, by
painful experiences. It was present already for a long time, but it was touched upon by it. I also found out that such an experience
is brought on by me, myself and I: tripled as shown in the painting in my B.B.B.S.A.L.W.O.Art thread.

I now know that it was my being, that decided it was time to stop beating around the burning bush and come to the point, to clear
my past, so that I could go forward without that burden. I was chased by it as if the devil was on my tail and I made waves

This is my home-brew witch-woman view: as soon as we begin to acknowledge that we bring unto ourselves the vulnerabilities and
feelings of weakness, that moment is a breaking free from the illusion that something is done to us deliberately. In the company of
those feelings and please don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning violence and destruction here. As I've come to see it, when one
feels abandoned in most painful ways and feels oneself alone in body, senses and soul, the core issue underneath is an abandonment
of oneself, by having denied one's own existence at some point in maybe long ago times and lives, very different from our present one.
Isn't that what's often called "karma"? Like attracts like, as within so without....

Duality thinking ruling me, labeling everything as pleasurable or annoying, is using the outside world as a scapegoat for my own creation
of separateness and pain. My freedom is present in the willingness to see and feel this within, when the time is right. No other can choose
that moment, nor if that moment will come. I'm the one who's present as the experiencer and the observer. The last role is taken up
when the choice for my own creator-ship is accepted, as a possibility first..... a gradual and slow dawning of that ability, for reasons of
the emotional load in that "department" of the soul, being a large burden present for a long time.

We are the ones who chose to come here, without a manual for life, so that we had to start at the bottom, knowing every nut and bolt in
that machinery, called our life's stories and creations. To me there's a huge tearing through the cardboard wall of the box happening now.
Number 13 in the ballroom book: a meeting in a dance with oneself. To me, there's no red or blue pill. That's a movie-story, a world made up,
triggering thoughts in viewers, for better or for worse. Creation as a potentiality resides in an emptiness, a void and with the fire of spirit,
your intention and choice, set on fire by enthusiasm, brings that energy in motion. For life or the denial of it. It's a shop with a large variety of magical things to taste and try out. What we bring HOME is the harvest of what we sow. See what I mean?

B.B.Baghor wrote:Ortho's words:

"Thank-you B.B. This post is supporting-evidence for what you just said. Sorry if it is "Too Much Information". This is enough to drive a man or woman to drink -- but I don't drink. Not yet. I continue to insist that in "real-life" I really am a "completely ignorant fool" -- yet my U.S.S.S. threads often seem to be somewhat profound (with a little help from my friends and other-than-friends). BTW -- I recently saw a young-woman with the nicest legs I've ever seen!! If only I were younger and better-looking!! Perhaps in my next incarnation (if I even have one)!!"

So, in this not "real-life" you're a not so ignorant fool, is that it   ortho? Maybe you should go after those pretty legs, Neanderthaler  
Have some fun and change the subject, I suggest! Too Much Information" ..... Well, here you've said it yourself, ortho, all that seems to have filled the place in you, that so needs the privacy of your own knowing, a sense of who you are and where you are. See the neon word "ESCAPE"? Not an accusation, but to me it looks like you're almost a presence circling the collective consciousness grid around planet Earth. If you, at some point in time of your own choice, choose to begin to spread love in that overview position, you might find yourself, not prepared for, but welcoming a pleasant surprise from that shop in the former post here.

The gift of returning to you.

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Thank-you Pris and B.B. I'm just going to let it go -- and move on...

Pris wrote:

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Oh, no -- thank you, orthodoxymoron.  It's all good.  I have a need to get stuff off my chest, too.

Carol wrote:

Cosmic energies predicted to trigger DNA changes & disclosure events in September        
Written by Dr Michael Salla on July 19, 2015            
http://exopolitics.org/cosmic-energies-predicted-to-trigger-dna-changes-disclosure-events-in-september/

Dr Simon Atkens is the CEO of Advanced Forecasting Corporation and has made startling predictions about incoming cosmic energies and their impact. Among them is:

… an acceleration and heightening of electromagnetic energy from the sun and other cosmic energies that will build especially from late August into late September that will cause, circa 23rd-24th September, what he describes as a ‘frequency shift’ in consciousness.

He refers to evolutionary changes emerging from world shaking disclosures as a result of the incoming cosmic energy he describes as a ‘Wave X':

.. a “wave of evolution. What we’re about to find out on a major level, unheard of in history at a mass scale is the true answer of ‘Who are we?’, ‘Where do we come from?’, and ‘What is our purpose?‘. The planet is going to take off in such an incredible ways.”

According to Dr Atkins, the Jade Helm exercise that began on July 15 and runs to September 15, is really aimed at gaining intelligence about the effects of the incoming cosmic energies in order to better manage the changes it triggers in humanity:

Simon states that this exercise is very much connected to the frequency shift whereby the lower states where the exercises are being carried out will be experiencing a higher frequency field in July and August – the purpose being of learning from and managing the resultant effects on the population there before it heightens further in the upper states into September.

If Dr Atkins is correct, then the U.S. intelligence community is aware of the potential effects of the incoming cosmic energies and is taking steps to manage this. The U.S. intelligence community is very likely not the only global entity aware of the incoming cosmic energies that is taking steps to manage this.

Dr Atken’s prediction that a frequency shift will occur in the 23-24 September time frame is very significant. This is also the time that Pope Francis will be meeting with President Obama at the White House (Sept 23) and speaking before the U.S. Congress (Sept 24). To cap it all off, Pope Francis will address a gathering of world political leaders at the UN General Assembly on Sept 25. The Vatican’s own intelligence service is also very likely aware of these incoming cosmic energies. It’s more than coincidental that at the same time that incoming cosmic energies are predicted to peak on the planet, that the world’s most powerful religious and political leaders meet. The Vatican appears to be aware of incoming cosmic energy and the powerful transformative effect it will have on humanity, and is placing itself to ride the cosmic wave so to speak.

For a number of years now, Vatican astronomers have been at the forefront of scientific speculation about the discovery of extraterrestrial life. Astronomers such as Guy Consolmagno (a Jesuit like Pope Francis) have been preparing the way with bold statements about baptizing extraterrestrials and its compatibility with Catholic theology. Consolmagno has been working closely with the U.S. scientific establishment such as NASA and the Library of Congress where he discussed baptism of extraterrestrial life. On Oct 27, 2014, Pope Francis released a statement where he referred to “beings of the universe” (extraterrestrials) as a major part of God’s evolutionary plan. If it was disclosed that extraterrestrials, rather than an all-powerful God, were the creators of humanity through advanced genetics, the Pope could now simply claim that this is part of God’s plan and not a major concern for the religious community.

Another independent source is also claiming that incoming cosmic energies are having profound effects on human DNA and will trigger major disclosures. Corey Goode claims to have worked for secret space programs from 1987-2007, and more recently having been appointed as a delegate to a group of extraterrestrials called the Sphere Being Alliance. According to Goode, the Sphere Being Alliance showed up some time around 2012-2013 with huge Neptune sized spheres that formed frequency shields around the solar system and the sun. One of the major functions of these spheres was to regulate the amount of cosmic energy coming into our solar system and the Earth so humanity could better integrate it and prepare for major changes:

The Sphere Alliance has been mostly focused on the energetic changes occurring in our local star cluster because of the area of the Galaxy they are entering. They have been using the many thousands of cloaked spheres that are equidistantly spread out across our Sol System and neighboring Sol Systems (Electrically Connected in the “Cosmic Web” and Natural Portal System) to buffer and diffuse incoming tsunami waves of highly charged energy that changed the vibratory state of space/time, energy and matter to cause it to raise to a higher state in the “Density Spectrum”.

The Frequency Shift into September 2015 - Dr Simon Atkins' Predictions
| Prophecies, Predictions and Visions | Time-Specific Material              
http://www.transients.info/2015/06/the-frequency-shift-into-september-2015.html

TRANCOSO wrote:

Floyd wrote: If ufos were real we would have all seen one by now.

I've seen UFOs on different occasions.

Mind you, as sober as one can be.

I've also seen ghosts and met some strange persons at a deserted Barcelona ferry station, where after I had a 11-hour missing time experience - in which I was cured from a very badly bruised knee, and found myself back, halfway to Ibiza, at the ferry - without a ticket.

(I was dropped off at the ferry station by a doctor who had examined me after my motorcycle accident near Rosas (Spain) and had advised me to go back home, - I was as good as crippled - but because I insisted to go to Ibiza, and he was going to Barcelona the next day, I ended up at the (deserted) ferry station at 11:00 in the morning - the boat to Ibiza was scheduled to depart at 19:00.

He had given me the address of a colleague - a study friend - on Ibiza, who could look after my knee, so when I went there the next day, walking as if nothing had happened, and phoned him to tell what had happened to me - with his colleague as my witness - he said: "Wow, you've met 'The Light People'! So they really exist!")

I know what I know, 'cos I've seen what I have seen - and experienced!

I don't call myself LORD TRANCOSO for nothing, Floyd...

orthodoxymoron wrote:I respect genuine religious devotion and experience (even in its erroneous forms). But how do we really determine right and wrong -- truth and error?? I sense and suspect a lot of greed, fear, superstition, and superiority in religion. I sense and suspect precious little open and honest research and reflection. I have certainly not been rewarded for mine. Just the opposite. Also -- look at the tortured corpses of history. It's NOT a pretty-picture. I tend to think that studying religion is MUCH different than being subservient to it. I understand that we need inspiration, morality, and continuity -- but often religion does NOT properly provide any of these. The politics and religion of the world often seem to be designed to maximize confusion, conflict, and the bottom-line. There might be legitimate motivation and rational behind the "way things are" -- but often this is a difficult position to defend. I'm presently a "shell of a guy" -- and I'm NOT kidding. I plan to privately study what I've posted on the Mists for the next couple of years -- and then re-emerge with a somewhat serious and circumspect approach to life, the universe, and everything. If there's some sort of a "crackdown" there might not be much of a choice in the matter. In a very real sense "Shut-up and Get Back to Work" might be the best modus-operandi going-forward. I've been told that "They're NOT Happy" -- and I think I might know what was implied in that warning. Well, I think I'm even "LESS Happy". I knew a VERY smart theology-student in college -- who had high-profile church-administrator parents. He said he was going to learn everything he could from Dr. Fred Veltman. A few years later, this young theologian was a Very Unhappy Bartender -- and I think I might know why. This life is not just fun and games. There seems to be a very dark and troubling underlying reality to life, the universe, and everything. I've irreverently poked and prodded at this unsettling-matter -- and I wish I hadn't. Some things are better left undisturbed. Solving the world's problems -- and figuring things out -- are SO Overrated. Perhaps Ignorance really is Bliss and Virtue. Perhaps being a "Completely Ignorant Fool" isn't such a bad-thing after-all. World Without End. Amen.

Vidya Moksha wrote:More tired lazy typing on my part perhaps. The book is published and has sold some copies. I have a box of them with me now. What I am giving up on is the ebook version, so I made my book available as a pdf...

My frustrations are more do do with the publishing company and their hidden charges and lack of flexibility, and their awful publishing tools, but they are probably the best of a bad bunch. Money isnt really the issue, it comes and goes, its not so important to me, if I am warm and sheltered, fed and watered I am doing something right, remember folk I have been on the road for over 10 years now, having no money is a way of life, I seem to get by.. its just hard to invest in something that requires cash when you dont have any!

I know a few published authors, and they all complain about the publishing houses and lack of royalties, so it was never an option for me. The book is out in the world, it will do what it does..

I will teach yoga if the opportunity arises, but I am not so keen to do so in the UK for many reasons I would rather not go into here. if the situation arises I will offer my help if its asked for. I am not actively seeking to get involved in yoga here, and I am actively seeking a way off the island, so hopefully not in the future either

This has been an interesting social experiment on some levels. I know a couple of people who claim to be 'into' yoga and have talked about wanting a copy of my book, they are both well off financially and both have now said that they have 'no money', even asking for a free copies. I have other friends who I know have little cash, and they are waiting till pay day to buy the book when I know they cant really afford it, and they have declined my offer of a free copy as they want to help me out. Funny lot us folk arent we? In general the people who complain about having no money are the ones who really mean they dont like to spend it.

All good folk, sorry if I sounded a little down, I guess I am, but more frustration than any serious life issues, I am well, carving wood (have some nice apple and walnut woods to play with), playing with chainsaws and screaming at my computer ! :)

I will stick an advert for my book down at the end of my hatha yoga notes, somewhere in the mist below, it will be in the right place there.

B.B.Baghor wrote:

Vidya's words: "In general the people who complain about having no money are the ones who really mean they dont like to spend it"

That's an interesting remark of yours Vidya, as I perceive it, people who COMPLAIN about having no money and mean it when they
dislike spending it, they live in fear for never having enough of it. In my experience, while without much money, having to create plan
B and C, with others around me in the same boat, I've had interesting discussions about living with little or no money.

But far more important, for the practicality of it, was our experiental growth of an attitude of sharing, no matter what, without strings
attached, knowing that every tiny gesture of support helps in maintaining a sense of living in abundance. That can't be theorized, it
has to be lived in real life, by stomach and heart. The felt sense of living in abundance doesn't depend on having money, although
money is a tool to achieve and enjoy material wealth. The idea that we need money to live by, is a deeply ingrained concept in our minds,
for eons. Look at the animal and plant kingdom, they've got no pockets to put money in, except the kangaroo.
They use it for different things, as far as I know.

orthodoxymoron wrote: Once again, congratulations for the publishing of your new book, Vidya!! Remind me how I can obtain a copy!! Somewhat unrelatedly -- I just had a random-thought about money. I would be VERY interested to see what lifestyle-level people experience relative to their actual net-worth!! I would also be VERY interested to see how genuinely-happy people are relative to their lifestyle-level and actual net-worth!! I recently noticed an article about a Millionaire-CEO who lives in a Trailer-Park!! I've joked about living in one or two 600 square-foot office-apartments (even if I were some sort of a Galactic-Somebody)!! I grew-up visiting the mansion of a very-famous Hollywood Orchestra-Leader -- but they were very down to earth -- and they spent most of their home-time in the KITCHEN!! It was a VERY nice kitchen -- with a view of the pool -- and they seemed to like it more than their VERY plush living-room!!

A CEO with a net worth of $820 million has opted for the simple life by living in a trailer park instead of a mansion. Tony Hsieh, the CEO of Zappos, can afford to buy any type of abode that he fancies including the pick of plush estates. But Hsieh, who is known as one of the most frugal millionaires in the business community, chooses to live in a Las Vegas trailer park. Tech CEO worth $820 million lives with his pet alpaca in a tiny Airstream caravan at Las Vegas trailer park called 'Llamapolis'. Tony Hsieh, the CEO of Zappos who sold the company to Amazon for $1.2billion, could buy any home he fancied -- but Hsieh chooses to live in a 200 sqft trailer in park that he owns after moving out of a luxury condo last year. He preaches radical management and invested $350 million in Las Vegas to attract more business people. Residents of the Airstream Village share campfire space that Hsieh says functions as communal living room. Hsieh, who owns the park, moved into the location after giving up a 23rd floor condo in a luxury apartment building last year, according to the New York Times. However, the RV lot that the business executive calls home may differ from the the negative stereotypes associated with other trailer parks. The 'trailers' are gorgeous silver Airstream caravans, which retail for $48,000 for a 2013 model. Thirty homes are lined up in a neat row, each with about 200 square feet of space. And they're home to like minds as the trailer park tends to attract Silicon Valley computer programmers who live in the trailer park temporarily. Units have two TVs, Bluetooth stereo systems and wood paneling, though the size of the showers reportedly makes it difficult for large adults to bathe. Hsieh has nicknamed his caravan 'Llamapolis' and he shares his trailer with his pet alpaca named Marley. The Airstream Village also includes Tumbleweed Tiny Houses, wooden RVs that have about 130 square feet and do not have couches or kitchen tables. It was a vacant lot before he snapped it up and it's virtually unrecognizable since its makeover.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3167130/Zappos-CEO-Tony-Hsieh-cushy-net-worth-820-million-opts-live-trailer-park-instead-mansion.html

magamud wrote:

Plato's Allegory of the Cave by Jan Saenredam

Sanicle wrote:Sorry to hear about your problems Oxy but it is sooooooo good to have you back here amongst us again.  You add a special flavour and energy to the Mists that no-one else can.

I agree with you about the Old Testament completely.  Actually it was reading that that put me off religion altogether and made me question all of it.  There was just no way, back then, that I could 'worship' a God like that.   I really don't know what you get out of going back into that depressing stuff as you do.  But, like I say, you are unique Oxy.

Welcome back, and hopefully you get that car of yours sorted out.

magamud wrote:The bible is the account of Gods prophecy for our species and what the harvest is.  If their was murder it was in the hands of men.

bobhardee wrote:At church recently the minister was talking about this passage from the Bible  where  God  was in a wrestling match with one of the Old Testament characters and he made his leg go out of joint in order to get his attention.  Now I asked myself, would God (or even god spelled with a small g) make my leg go out of joint to get my attention. I don't think so. Would a traveler from a distant  planet who seemed very god like be able to do that and be much more apt to do that kind of thing, if it were necessary, and the answer is Yes. A being from a different planet or even one from this planet would or could do such a thing.  I would lean towards someone from another planet because this bible character would certainly recognize another human being. All that said, it is getting hard for me to maintain many of the Christina beliefs that I grew up with.  I enjoy hearing the message and the people who attend our small mountain church are the best that the community has to offer.   Dylan wrote  Times they are a changin".
 
    G             Em         C        G
Come gather 'round people wherever you roam
     G            Em      C              D
And admit that the waters around you have grown
     G            Em             C               G
And accept it that soon you'll be drenched to the bone
       G       Am           D
If your time to you is worth savin'
       D            Cadd9              G/B         D/A
So you better start swimming or you'll sink like a stone
       G                C       D  G
For the times, they are a-chang - in'

      G          Em          C                    G
Come writers and critics who prophecies with your pen
     G             Em         C               D
And keep your eyes wide the chance won't come again
      G             Em             C              G
And don't speak too soon for the wheel's still in spin
           G           Am            D
And there's no tellin' who that it's namin'
          D       Cadd9     G/B     D/A
For the loser now will be later to win
         G              C    D G
For the times they are a-chang-in'

Come mothers and fathers throughout the land
And don't criticize what you don't understand
Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand
For the times they are a-changin'

Come senators, congressmen please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway, don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside and it's ragin'
It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'

The line it is drawn the curse it is cast
The slow one now will later be fast
As the present now will later be past
The order is rapidly fadin'
And the first one now will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'

Even though it was  a popular song in the 60's, it is still so appropriate today.  Maybe even more so than we know. I believe that human DNA was altered by different alien groups.  Perhaps the various races were already on the planet or maybe not.  But we were put here to see if all these different races (the star seeds from different alien groups) could get along and if they could get along then maybe they would let in the galactic council.  If not then what we do here would be what we would do to other worlds, if we had the ability.  Maybe with the coming increase from 3D to 4 or 5D, it will be what is needed to prove that we do have the ability to exchange commerce and technology with others being from other planets.   I hope so. I really hope that an outside force will step in to help straighten out all the crap that is going on.....because there is a chit load of it happening.

Welcome back dude.

Bob H.

mudra wrote:Before the Bible I read many books.
After the Bible I read many books.
To me what's essential isn't written in words.

May you find peace Oxy.
It isn't far away from you.

Love for You
mudra

magamud wrote:Its analogous to the body and how cells work within the system.  How do the cells know who they are?  How does nature know how to express?  You are connected, but you have to grow in conscious awareness hence why you are here separated from God.  You have to grow back your personal connection and your connection is with your body, blood and bone.  

People ask why do we have to do this?  Life is eternal, and these types of incarnations is the expression of immortality.  The Pharisees are everywhere so remember human prophecy.  We are connected to the earth and the stars.  Wake up....

This is why Jesus stated he is the way because he is literally the north star for our compass.  He is the light amongst the darkness.  Everything goes through him...

He is the best example...

He is your King...

TRANCOSO wrote: An intriguing paper on the 'Apollo was hoaxed' hypothesis.

Apollo and the Van Allen Belts - an estimate of the radiation dose received
Robert A. Braeunig
September-2014

During the period 1968-1972, the United States sent nine manned missions, named Apollo, to the Moon. These missions remain the only flights in history to send human beings beyond low Earth orbit. To reach the Moon, these spacecraft had to pass through regions of intense ionizing radiation called the Van Allen radiation belts (VARB). The VARB are named after American space scientist Dr. James A. Van Allen (1914-2006), who designed the experiment that first detected them in 1958.

Because radiation is a scary word to those who really don't know much about it, the VARB are often targeted by conspiracy theorists who claim the Apollo lunar missions were nothing but a colossal hoax. They say the VARB are an impenetrable barrier deadly to any spacefarer who attempts to traverse them. The truth is much different and more complex. Whether or not the VARB are impassable is a problem with a calculable solution. In this article I will endeavor to solve the radiation problem by producing an estimate of the radiation dose received by the Apollo astronauts. Only then can we see the truth in uncertain terms.

This page is a companion to my previous article, Apollo 11's Trans-lunar Trajectory (and how they avoided the heart of the radiation belts), in which I computed the trajectories that the Apollo 11 mission flew to and from the Moon. This gives us knowledge of the exact time and location of Apollo 11 within the VARB, allowing determination of the radiation levels to which the spacecraft was subjected during its passage through this region. Although Apollo 11 will be our test subject, it should be understood that all the Apollo missions flew similar trajectories. We can therefore consider Apollo 11 representative of all lunar flights.

CONTINUE: http://www.braeunig.us/apollo/VABraddose.htm

mudra wrote: 7th Dead Doctor: Found Among Five Slain in California

Perhaps you've heard about a tragic rash of dead or missing doctors in one month's time? Seven have either died under strange circumstances or were victims of brutal murders. There are also five who have simply vanished along with one medical lawyer. Although we make no assertions, thirteen medical workers involved in high profile cases in thirty days, needs documentation. Additionally, most of these cases are simply unsolved.

The previous dead or murdered doctors are as follows: Autism researcher Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, Dr. Bruce Hedendal DC PhD, Dr. Teresa A. Sievers, Lisa Riley DO (Doctor of Osteopathic), young Dr. Baron Holt, and Dr. Ronald Schwartz. Five took place in Florida. Dr. Fitzpatrick MD and Dr. Jeffrey R. Whiteside simply vanished. Three doctors and one hospital lawyer vanished in Mexico - law enforcement there allegedly attempted to pass off other dead bodies for the missing people in order to close the case.

No sooner had I posted information about a sixth doctor found dead in one month's time, when someone sent me an Associated Press report about five female victims of a tragic massacre in Modesto, California. Two adult women and three girls ages six and under were found dead on Saturday. The youngest was six months old.

One of them has been identified as Dr. Amanda Crews, a young mother and devoted physician known for treating low-income patients, according to her ex-husband. Their six-year-old daughter was among the victims. Not long after their divorce two years ago, she began seeing the man currently suspected of the killings.

This is the first doctor death/disappearance in a month where there is an arrested suspect - Martin Martinez. He is accused of killing the five females which include his and Crews' baby daughter, his mother, Crews other daughter and two other children (distant relatives) in a California home over the weekend.

read on: http://truthseekernews.com/content/7th-dead-doctor-found-among-five-slain-california

Love Always
mudra

orthodoxymoron wrote: I hate to repeat myself -- but here I go again. Please watch The Tomato Effect (by Fawn Kime regarding her father, Dr. Zane Kime). I attended several of Dr. Kime's lectures -- and I spoke with him privately on a couple of occasions. Zane joined forces with Dr. Desmond Ford (shortly before his climbing-accident). The subject of Dr. Desmond Ford is a can of worms!! I keep referring to him because he is such an interesting individual -- but I am NOT a disciple!! Not even close!! Somewhat relatedly -- please read John Harvey Kellogg, M.D. by Richard Schwarz. I just purchased another copy (complete with a Southern Methodist University Library stamp). Evangelist Roy Naden told me this was an excellent book!! Roy was a very dynamic Australian Preacher!! What is it about the English and the Australians??!! Siriusly!! On a lighter-note -- please watch The Road to Wellville (with Anthony Hopkins)!! It's NOT accurate -- but it IS vulgar and funny!! Please research the History of Medicine and Religion in the Seventh-day Adventist Church!! Compare this study with the History of Medicine and Religion in the Roman Catholic Church!! This might be more important than you can possibly imagine!!

1. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=tomato+effect+video&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=59A6FE566B5B969ADE5D59A6FE566B5B969ADE5D
2. http://www.amazon.com/John-Harvey-Kellogg-Richard-Schwarz/dp/B0006CKG1K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1437674703&sr=8-1&keywords=john+harvey+kellogg+md

orthodoxymoron wrote:

bobhardee wrote:

Interesting

"I'll Proselytize Wealthy-Celebrities From the Church of Scientology!!"
"Gimme Your Money and Your Wife -- Or Go Straight to Hell!!"











"Cruise in a Duesenberg to The Church of Orthodoxymoron of Latter-day Luddites!!"

mudra wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Floyd, I'm trying to get a real-job on the Dark-Side of the Moon -- but no luck so far...

LOL Oxy you really are a good guy you know.
Such a gentle spirit you are humble, kind , funny , respectful of everyone and completely egoless in your relations to others.
You are like running water my friend.From you I learn .
I really wish you well Oxy.



Love for You
mudra

Jenetta wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Sometimes I think there are those who know that UFO's, God, and Aliens exist -- but they just like to mess with people -- and challenge them with doubtful disputations. I've seen UFO's. I think I've spoken with at least one individual who was NOT just another human-being. I don't know if they were fundamentally good or bad. I don't know if UFO's are fundamentally good or bad. And I certainly am NOT starting a UFO Alien Cult!! Just the opposite. I'm walking away from this madness. I've had just about enough...

I've seen a UFO too Orthodoxy...back in 2011.  I've also been in the company of a non human being while I was working airporter taxi.  How do I know this?  My sense of smell is very acute and this being who was sitting in the passenger seat next to me while I was driving emitted a sulphur odour which was quickly covered up.  Glancing at this being I felt I could see scales underneath the human skin tissue.  There were other "humans" in the seats behind. After dropping these "people" off at a private airport near the city airport I was soon off work.  Upon looking in the mirror that evening or the next day I noticed a reddened patch (strip) of skin on front of my neck area as if I had been burned.  At the same time all of that area felt deathly cold and so I wrapped the area up tight when going outdoors until it faded.

bobhardee wrote:I became a believer that UFO's are real in 1968.  It was about 10:00 PM and we were south of Greensboro, NC in a rural area on a dirt road going very slow. I glanced over at my date and she had the look of total terror on her face.  I followed where her eyes were glued and not more than 500 feet up coming straight at us was  a UFO that was the size of a large passenger plane.  It was saucer shaped and there were windows all the way around. There were all lite....except that one window would go dark for one second followed by the window next to it and it continued like that all the way around. A  white light would blink on the 12, 3, 6, and 9 o'clock position on the tip of the saucer.  It was totally quiet.  Our windows were all down.   It passed almost directly over our car. I got the car turned into the direction the saucer was going but by the time I went 100 yards, it was gone. We rode on down the road and there was an elderly gentleman standing outside his house.  I stopped and asked if he had seen anything just fly over.  He said "yes sir I done seen me a flying saucer."Bob H.

NANUXII wrote:

Carol wrote:Have you ever thought that to share in the body and blood of Christ, communion is to become one in spiritual frequency. That has been my personal experience of this and even when reading the text as one of the lecturer during the mass I would feel this spiritual energy descend and fill me up. So the ritual itself is one of an invitation to share at an energetic level the spiritual compassion that Christ represents.

Now onto the next level of discussion. Once while sitting meditating in church I did have the experience of viewing Christ descend and being held within his embrace. (a father holding his child and child holding his father) There are no words to describe that experience as every nano particle of my "beingness" conscious awareness vibrated at a level of pure acceptance and compassion. Not before or since has such a divine situation present itself. Without a shadow of a doubt I know Christ exists. As for religion.. I'm not all that impressed with the politics of any religion nor particularly are in favor of any of them. To me the spiritual experience is where one is uplifted into higher vibrational frequencies so that our experience on the planet and with each other takes on an element of something that is precious as compared to the daily experience ho hum.

I don't think of Christ as an intellectual exercise but only as something that can be experience though the heart at a level of pure compassion.  

Hey Carol , ive had the same experience when i was young , the christ enter or decend to my body , my gf at the time saw it , she could see aura etc and i felt it , it was an amazing experience but i wasnt in church and it was 6 years after i renounced catholocism which is interesting.

So i would whole heartedly agree about sharing the christ conciousness but i have a problem with him being depicted as crucified, then eating his flesh and drinking his blood. There is no other religion on earth other than satanism that asks you to do such things..

I think of it this way , if i was a John F Kennedy devotee and started a church in his name to celebrate all the good things he did before he was crucified ..i mean assasinated .. would i have a photo of him over the altar with his head blown off and ask people to eat his brains and drink his blood ?  that would be celebrating the assasination not his life and good deeds, No ?  So putting it in that context i think it makes more of a point ( as crude as it is ) , .. i know the ritual has been shrowded in mystic metaphore but it just dosent add up at least for me it dosent , and i apologise for offending any catholics out there.

http://www.openminds.tv/lucifer-is-helping-vatican-astronomers-look-for-extraterrestrials-970/19968

orthodoxymoron wrote:Starting churches is SO Overrated BUT if I were starting a church today -- I might call it The Church of Orthodoxymoron of Latter-Day Luddites -- and I might simply base it upon the following:

1. Proverbs.
2. Ecclesiastes.
3. Psalms.
4. James.
5. Bach B-minor Mass.

There is something attractive regarding ritual and continuity -- but the historical and contemporary rituals seem bloody and absurd (when one REALLY thinks about it). I am aware of several significant individuals (myself included) who grew-up in non-liturgical churches -- yet, when they became disillusioned -- they migrated toward liturgical-churches -- but all of them felt there was something missing and/or wrong with the liturgical-churches they eventually joined. I keep wondering if there's an Ancient-Liturgy which is many thousands (or millions) of years old -- which no one knows about presently -- yet which our souls retain some memory of??!! Talk About a Potential Can of Worms!!! Please consider reading Evangelicals on the Canterbury Trail. edited by Robert Webber. Notice especially the chapter by David and LaVonne Neff. I identify with their experience -- yet I don't attend church anymore -- not because I'm rebellious -- but simply because I wish to be neutral and objective as I consider as many possibilities as possible. In the right context, observing the Seventh-Day Sabbath might be a legitimate practice for everyone on the planet -- but something is very wrong with the concept when one reads Deuteronomy -- straight-through -- over and over -- and especially when one applies it directly to modernity. I can't talk about this stuff anymore. It hurts too much. It seems as if This Present Madness will NEVER resolve -- especially when everyone seems to be non-communicative and knee-jerk reactionaries. World Without Peace and Reason. Amen.

http://www.amazon.com/Evangelicals-Canterbury-Trail-Attracted-Liturgical/dp/0819228516/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1438100700&sr=8-1&keywords=evangelicals+on+the+canterbury+trail

http://www.livingchurch.org/canterbury-trail-revisited

Canterbury Trail Revisited
by
G. Jeffrey MacDonald

More than a quarter-century after Wheaton College professor Robert Webber reported a surprising migration of evangelicals to Anglicanism, an updated version of his book now provides a closer look at what keeps the phenomenon going.

Morehouse Publishing released the first revised edition of Evangelicals on the Canterbury Trail: Why Evangelicals Are Attracted to the Liturgical Church in January. Webber died in 2007, and Duke University historian Lester Ruth oversaw the revision largely by writing a preface and editing new essays and testimonials.

“They are looking for worship that has a sense of rootedness and connectedness, especially in the sense of well-crafted liturgical texts, that reaches across the ages, is strongly tactile and tangible especially in its sacramentality,” Ruth wrote via email. “They are finding it by migrating to Anglicanism and also Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy.”

In testimonial reflections, evangelicals from various backgrounds tell how they appreciate the multiple dimensions of Anglican worship life. They value not only the centrality of the sacraments, but also how worship life consists of more than praise music and preaching. They report that experiencing a full diet of prayer and staying mindful of the liturgical calendar have enriched their spiritual lives.

Tales from the trail are not entirely rosy. David Neff, an editorial vice president of Christianity Today who coauthored an essay for the original 1985 edition with his wife, LaVonne, writes in a new chapter that for him and others, “the charms of either Canterbury or Rome … have lost their sparkle and appeal as spiritual homes.”

Neff is organist and choirmaster at St. Barnabas Church in Glen Ellyn, Illinois, where he and LaVonne settled in their journey away from Seventh-day Adventism. He has stayed, he said, in large measure because he appreciates ancient liturgies and his rector’s skill in managing dynamics within the congregation.

“What has disappointed has been the leadership in both Rome and Canterbury,” Neff wrote via email. “Rome has been too conservative and controlling for me, and Canterbury too progressive and unable to actually lead. New leadership is slated for both places, so we’ll see what the future holds.”

Many who have made the journey, Ruth said, find power in the liturgy, specifically how it doesn’t depend on emotionality for its integrity. Though Anglican worship has an affective side, evangelical contributors find “it does not seem manipulative or coerced,” Ruth said.

“God will be worshiped one way or the other” in Anglican worship, Ruth said. “That happening is not dependent first of all upon the worshiper’s emotions or feelings.”

NANUXII wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:That was funny! What if the Biblical Historical Jesus is a cunningly devised fable, designed to hide a vastly superior Michael / Horus / Jesus who is strong, sophisticated, and sensual -- rather than being a simple and sexually-repressed crucified weakling? Once again, I have my theories, regardless of whether I can prove them or not. I will continue to test various theories in the context of Historical Science Fictional Solar System Governance, and I refuse to take this too seriously. Someone might be able to glean some bit of insight which might help them in their serious academic Quest of the Historical Horus...

i think the Christ fable was " used " again this time round ( roman times )  Obviously its being recycled with the spin landing to suit.

Could we say that Horus , Thoth , Hermes , Melchizedek were the previous incarnations he chose to embody as ?   Maybe Rome saw an opportunity ?  Perhaps this time round he is keeping low key .. maybe a gardiner or a mechanic ... hmmm

If you were to look at the Divine Pymander you would see biblical texts before the bible was written , perhaps some 3500 years before Christ ( in the most recent fable )

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/pym/

this was written by Hermes / Thoth / Melchizedek .. the trinity ?

hmmm

N

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you NANUXII. I think theology and religion are more of a mess than even I think it is (and that's pretty bad). However -- I think there is a very-real theological and religious reality and ideal (but I'm not sure exactly what it is). I am not a true-believer or an atheist-agnostic. I am a possibility-thinker. This involves the good -- the bad -- and the ugly. The Christ-Question is much deeper than simply proving or disproving various portions of the New-Testament. I've even begun taking another look at Proverbs -- Ecclesiastes -- and the Psalms -- wondering why these books were not used more extensively in the New-Testament?! Something is very-right and very-wrong with the Holy-Bible. Religion (as we know it) is even more problematic. It almost seems as if this is by design -- so that human-civilization is built upon shifting-sand -- so as to be able to bring it crashing-down if desired!! I've even speculated that this world (and solar system?) were overthrown in antiquity -- with the original Solar System Administrator being The Christ -- and their replacement being The Antichrist. This might mean that The Antichrist has been ruling humanity for thousands of years!! A reinstatement of the original Solar System Administrator might be misrepresented as being an Attack Against Christianity by Satan aka Lucifer aka Azazel aka The Antichrist. I have further speculated that this solar system will revert to it's original administrator, owner, and governance-modality in (or around) 2133 A.D. (somewhat based upon a particular interpretation of Daniel Chapter Eight). I think I might've spoken to the Real Solar System Deal on many occasions (and in several different forms). I'm probably crazy -- but I'm also honest -- which is probably my ruination. Anyway -- this thing has become too sensitive and troubling for me to continue posting regarding This Present Madness. What Would Frank Peretti Say?? I once attended a Writers Conference where Frank was the keynote-speaker. He was VERY funny and profound!! That's all I'm going to say. Namaste.

NANUXII wrote: Why would you want to stop now ?  i can see it can consume but its interesting none the less. I enjoy your zeal , these are the messages imbed between the lines written that we wouldnt normally consider.

Interesting post by Burgundia and the video series lends to the notion that a person called Jesus was in and around Jerusalem between 14 ce and 64 ce ( give or take )   The stories of Christ or Jesus of Nazareth started about 50 ce so that may be the person they are talking about.  I think where Roman Catholocism really took off was around 300 ad .. and during various crusades brow beating people into believing their version of somnething that may never have happend or did happen but not how it was presented.

The Symbol of Christ impailed on a cross is more of a reminder as to what may happen if you Cross the Church. The pagan ritual of eating his flesh and drinking his blood is subtly changed in its meaning so that the ritual today is somewhat palletable .. i dont think Catholics give one thought to this as its programmed from day one to represent something its not. But they are Eating the flesh and Drinking the blood of their " saviour "  what a fitting symbolism to an evil ritual cloaked in martyrdom.

Regarding the accuracy of the bible in " predicting " events .. i would like to throw a spanner in the works and say it was written retrospectively in the future indicative ( i hope my use of english is correct )

So what i mean is someone thats already lived the time line wrote the passages and predicted the happenings as they saw them and presented them as predictions instead of perhaps the retrospectives of a future being. So really you could say the Bible was a historical account sent back in time to help change the time line.

If we change ... so to will the text retrospectively because it was written from a point far into the future.

hmmm

B.B.Baghor wrote:

Vidya Moksha wrote:

B.B.Baghor wrote:

I too suggest an offer of a digital version for sale.

I'm somewhat familiar with www.scribd.com, in publishing and reading. You can present a book, accessible to
others for a set price. I'm pretty sure there are more of those sites in the virtual world. Also I remember writers
suggesting to offer money for their book, representing the value the reader finds in it, which is a free way of trust.

Maybe this isnt the best time to be replying to this, I am quite annoyed / frustrated with the book publishing at the moment.. the amount of 'stealth' taxes they charge for the books is quite ridiculous. I am the one supporting my book financially at the moment, which doesn't seem right after so much effort to actually write it!

I am working on an ebook still, but having all manner of grief getting that formatted!, and then I will reconsider my options.. maybe offering it as a free pdf with a donate button is the best way forward..I think for my next book I will do this..

I still like real books though...

If sales were guaranteed then taking the book to a local printer would be the best way forward, but you need money up front to do that and have to distribute the books yourself...

I am not impressed with the print on demand service... but what to do if the book is to be produced as a real paper item?

Thank you, Vidya Moksha, for sharing your feelings and experiences, trying to bring your book under the eyes of people.
I know better now, what to look out for, once I'm in that place Are you in Sussex now? Is it raining overthere? I'm at
home (in Somerset) for the first time for hours, with strong wind and showers all the time. Feels like autumn and candle
burning, while warmly clothed in my comfy chair.



I like real books too, like you, better than reading from my laptop screen. Printing a document helps, but it's not the same
as a real book with a cover like yours.  I'll share some of my experiences with writing and book-making. Not sure if you find
this useful in your present mood, but alas..... save it for a rainy day? Ahem, oh, not today maybe?  

I know of beginning writers, having the same experiences as you mention, investing much time and energy. Even money.
There are crowdfunding initiatives, but I have no experience with them. I think these forms of financing do work, you know.
I'll have to find my way in publishing my book that is still in the early stages. A Dutch friend of mine sells his latest book,
besides a physical book, as an audiobook too. The voice reading this book is his own. This is the link to the site he uses
http://www.123luisterboek.nl/engelstalig/ I'm sure there are many more like this.

How about manufacturing your own book by your own hands? Once, I've bought a Tibetan book with instructions how to
make a Yurt, by a Dutch Yurt-builder who had learned that skill in Tibet. The price was 100 euro, but I felt it worthwhile.
This book is very different from Western books, for it's a bundle of loose pages, with lots of drawings and text, pressed
between thick cardboard covers with ribbons of cloth woven through them, strapping the whole of it neatly together,
very intricate but working rather well.

I've published short stories, online, free readable. Three times 13 chapter-books, in Dutch, of my writing are in my first
website, written in 1999. I'm planning to translate them in English at some point. These I've often printed in the library
and crafted the half a centimeter thick bundle, with illustrations of my hand, into little books on half A4 format, cutting
the paper I chose from secondhand shops who sold that odd paper with holes on the side, once used in those old
fashioned chainpaper-printers. The quality of that paper is very good though. The simplest way I found, making a book,
was by making 2 holes through the left side of the pages (those familiar perforator holes) and strapping them together
with a colorful ribbon. Often I gave these storybooks away as present.

I've once written a text for my first website, shared it on Facebook and was asked by another writer on Facebook, to
offer it for free, so that she could publish it in her online magazine. Inexperienced as I was, flattered also, I agreed.
A day later she did sent me the link to her magazine, with the article in it. What's that? She changed the text!!
Some parts were totally out of the original context, due to that. How in the world?

I was so amazed and felt my text so insulted, I was jumping much higher than little chicken below, wings  
I immediately ordered her to remove it from her magazine. She, on her turn, was amazed by my reaction. "Editing is always
done, when you publish a book or article in other people's magazine. They decide how it's best presented" she replied.
Huhhh? When it's my creation? No way I will agree to that treatment! I told her that no point or comma could be changed
in my texts, unless this was discussed and decided in mutual agreement. She disappeared in virtual silence.

I think you'll have more fun if you handle the whole enterprise as a creative process, without any pressure, independent
from a need for an income, or investing it in your book, Vidya Moksha. Am I jumping to the wrong conclusions now?
I can imagine you sitting at a table with a stack of your books on it, signing them for the visitors of the somewhat
"new agey" bookshop, that kindly offers you this chance, in some small village in the UK or elsewhere in one of your
travel destinations. Totnes in Devon has a great bookshop called The Arcturian Bookshop. This is a hippy trippy place
with a huge amount of yoga practicioners, visiting or living in that town. Anyway, good luck and have fun with it!

mudra wrote: I have written two books on Color harmony as well as a few manuals. None of them  have gone to an editor. Beside the money I would have to invest they could'nt guarantee the fidelity of the colors I used which is an important point in my work. So I print and bind them myself in a A4 format and have been selling them for a few years now on a word of mouth basis and through my website. I haven't counted how much of them I sold but I am surprised I have actually been able to sell quite a few of them by now. The price I sell them is quite expensive but apparently that did'nt dissuade people from being interested.

Consider there are some people out there that are just ready and waiting for your product . Let them  know it's available and they will find their way to you.

Love from me
mudra

Vidya Moksha wrote: Hey all
thanks for the feedback..

I think I am giving up! I just spent days making an ebook and uploading it. Blurb wanted me to buy the ebook before I could put for sale, and then I find I need an apple device to read it... which I dont have! and who does? dont most people use kindles or suchlike? Not impressed again

to answer your questions BBB, yes I would like my book out there, which is the main reason for producing it. I have never charged for a yoga class, but I was always in a position to offer them for free. I dont have any money at the moment and had to borrow some just to publish my book, so I also need to recoup that investment.. once I have done so I would be a lot more open to giving the book away, or exchanging it in some form.. It has taken me months of writing, after years of studying.. it cost me a lot to produce, is that not worth some form of exchange?..

I dont know if I will bother with the ebook, I cant even check the formatting without an apple device.. I have had enough

I like the blurb books as physical objects but I am less than impressed with the process and their methods of charging...

orthodoxymoron wrote: I hate to say it -- but sometimes I wonder if one should seek some sort of an experienced and reputable agent/coach FIRST -- who proceeds to do market-analysis relative to your expertise -- and THEN tells you what to write, and how to do it!! One might meet with them on a monthly-basis for progress-reports and new-instructions!! I HATE thinking like this BUT perhaps one should treat writing as a business RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING!! I certainly have not done that over the past few years -- but what if I had??!! Instead of being despised and destitute, I might be rich and famous!! I'm sort of joking -- and sort of serious!! I'm actually prepared to NEVER write a book -- and just keep doing what I'm doing -- even if it kills me -- and I wish I were kidding. I once attended a writers-conference where Frank Peretti was the keynote-speaker. You might find this interview to be somewhat instructive. Namaste.

Vidya Moksha wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:I hate to say it -- but sometimes I wonder if one should seek some sort of an experienced and reputable agent/coach FIRST -- who proceeds to do market-analysis relative to your expertise --

im my case
agent " You want to write a yoga book? "
agent " have you any idea how many zillions there are out there already? "
Agent "my fees are $1000, total sales should be around $25 "

books are big business, for the publishers!

orthodoxymoron wrote:

"What's Going-On Here??"

THEeXchanger wrote:

have you ever thought
there have been many times
that you have had the eyes to see
~be put right out in front of you

however, for some reason

you seem to choose NOT to open up to them

you seem to like this phase of always NOT knowing

however, your choices, are always the same

~maybe, just maybe,
it is time for an entirely different type of choice ?

~maybe, just maybe,
it is time for an entirely different type of hunt for the answer ?

The 'real' truth is out there

~maybe, there is a "daughter"
who remains hidden, and, is still, at large ?

~you seem to always be exploring, the male energies
ahhh...and, up here in The Great White North
we are in the full swing of ''hunting"season,
while most hunters go õut hunting for The Bucks (those are male deer)
maybe, you might want to go hunting for The Doe ???

http://www.amazon.com/Exo-Vaticana-Romanus-Vaticans-astonishing-exo-theological/dp/0984825630/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1384495199&sr=8-1&keywords=exo+vaticana

"What's Up Doc???"


QED

bobhardee wrote:

8/1/2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOE2ptqOjVo

orthodoxymoron wrote:What if all of us were Ancient-Aliens in the very-distant past -- and subsequently became involved in various Renegade Genetic-Experimentation Programs which resulted in various and sundry Physical and Spiritual Wars Among Soul-Relatives??!! What if most everyone in this particular solar system are part of the Orion-Group?? What if the so-called "Aliens" are mostly "Us"?? What if the rest of the universe wants us to be what we all were back in the "Good Old Days"?? What if the "Creator of Humanity" is viewed as being "Universe-Enemy Number-One"??

Psalm 139: 1 O LORD, thou hast searched me, and known me. 2 Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising , thou understandest my thought afar off. 3 Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways. 4 For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether. 5 Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand upon me. 6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high , I cannot attain unto it. 7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? 8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. 9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; 10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. 11 If I say , Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. 12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee. 13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. 14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made : marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. 15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. 16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written , which in continuance were fashioned , when as yet there was none of them. 17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them! 18 If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake , I am still with thee. 19 Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men. 20 For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain. 21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? 22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies . 23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: 24 And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

Perhaps I'll just wait and see if anyone responds, before I post Proverbs. Seriously, if one concentrated on Psalms, Proverbs, Isaiah, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John -- and the 1928 Book of Common Prayer -- for four or five years -- what might the result be?? What if one added the Federalist Papers and Sacred Classical Music -- all in the context of St. Ouen?? Or, imagine David, Solomon, and Isis creating all of the above in the context of Castel Gandolfo (or someplace similar to it) -- 3,000 years ago!! Think long and hard about what I just said!! What really bothers me is that I KNOW this thread is monitored -- and that Those in the Know know about it -- yet remain silent. Don't anyone claim ignorance -- or say 'Nobody Told Me' -- or cry 'How Was I Supposed to Know?!' It's way too easy to know these days -- throughout the solar system -- and probably beyond. I've simply been attempting to help salvage a very bad situation. I've probably gotten a lot of things wrong -- yet no one has itemized my errors -- and suggested corrective measures. The silence is deafening and damning. The whole thing stinks to the highest-heaven -- and that's pretty bad. I keep wondering what sacrifices were made (and are being made) to gain entrance to The Promised Land?? BTW -- For all we know, Floyd could be a Tall Long-Nosed Grey-Alien, living inside the Face on Mars!! I just remembered that I have a copy of Dimensions by Jaques Vallee -- so I think I'll read it this weekend. Perhaps that will make me feel better.

Or perhaps I should just get drunk for the very first time in my life...

B.B.Baghor wrote:Ortho's question: "What if all of us were Ancient-Aliens in the very-distant past -- and subsequently became involved in various Renegade Genetic-Experimentation Programs which resulted in various and sundry Physical and Spiritual Wars Among Soul-Relatives??!!"

What if... we've lived many lives, not restricted to planet Earth? Isn't our soul capable of flying in the sun (but not
like a moth in a candle) able to circle the moon and have a peek at the farthest spot in the Universe, if there's a limit to it?
I like your style of starting a post with a question, ortho.  I and others here can ponder that possibility and imagine how that
works and has worked out.

I've got this feeling that I've been involved in many games on the playground of life and its expressions, as a soul.
I tend to think that we all have chosen to be here now, for a reason and that it takes certain steps and exsersizes
for those who long to wake up, in order to approve of having made that choice. Remembering that choice and act
accordingly is as much personal as impersonal, as I perceive it, for it involves my inner motions and e-motions, the
heart, body and soul that I am for myself, as well as their motions and e-motions towards the global events and
changes in the solar system, including ET races.

The moment I change my point of view on ET-races "out there" keeping in mind that they are my distant relatives,
there's no trigger for fear or hatred. I may feel extremely alien myself, when I'm invited for dinner at the table of a
host that lives in a saucer, with his loved ones, seeing them all completely at ease among each other, happily chatting
silently by the use of telepathy. I imagine I will feel very uncomfortable and awkward, in the beginning at least....
Didn't ET have some trouble in homes of humans on planet Earth, finding out how drinks affect him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xWMqsZOYWg

The Psalms in the King James Version of the Holy Bible (Concluded)

Aquaries1111 wrote:

Let's add some spice to this thread Ram.

Floyd wrote: And the lord he came down to fill up the imagination of humans that doth look skywards. His pity was doth reflected when both came to understand the mirror.

Aquaries1111 wrote:

dot dot doth.

orthodoxymoron wrote: Thank-you Floyd and Debra. I am both believer and doubter. I've talked to a certain person who is rabidly atheist -- yet they know the Bible, Religion, and Politics better than most Preachers and Politicians. I respect that -- even though we are NOT on the same page!! I continue to think that I've bitten-off way more than I can chew -- so I really am trying to shut-up and study -- now that I've created a study-guide for myself (and anyone else crazy enough to go this far down the rabbit-hole). But once again, I've been told that the rabbit-hole mostly goes right up my @ss!! Could this be why I always seem to have my head up my @ss???!!! I love listening to Santos -- but I never know what is REALLY the truth about history and the otherworldly. This stuff is SO difficult to verify. BTW -- nice picture Debra!!

"This thread really gets my goat!!"

Floyd wrote: The mirror being nothing. But only the reflections. The anthropomorphic religions are a curse on humanity. With all the blood and hatred that has followed them.

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Floyd. I have suggested some rather upsetting reasons why politics and religion have been so nasty and bloody throughout history. I am a friend and enemy of church and state. I have suggested deeply studying church and state on an ongoing basis -- and I have provided an unorthodox study-guide within this thread -- even though I remain a Completely Ignorant Fool. When I started the Amen Ra thread on the old Project Avalon site -- I said that I was trembling -- and I meant it. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18223&highlight=amen There are now 42,000 views -- which is nothing compared to a lot of the other threads. http://projectavalon.net/forum/search.php?searchid=3722693&pp=25&page=2 This tells me that I wasn't even close to getting it right. Some threads have over a million views!! http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8441&highlight=amen In a sense, that thread ruined my already ruined life. I actually preferred the old Project Avalon (before the Abraxasinas, Richard, Bill and Kerry drama and fiasco). http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18900&highlight=amen Perhaps someone should start a Project Avalon Reality Check website -- or even a thread on this website. I'd sort of like to see a cross between Project Avalon and The Mists of Avalon -- if you know what I mean!! Well, at the end of 2013, let me give you one more study-list, with a bit of an explanation:

1. Book of Enoch.
2. Genesis.
3. Job.
4. Song of Solomon.
5. Psalms.
6. Proverbs.
7. Isaiah.
8. Ecclesiastes.
9. Cleopatra to Christ by Ralph Ellis.
10. Cleopatra (1963) with Elizabeth Taylor.
11. The Agony and the Ecstasy (1965) with Charlton Heston.
12. The Ring of Power (documentary).
13. Rule by Secrecy -- Jim Marrs.
14. The Gods of Eden -- William Bramley.
15. Exo-Vaticana -- Chris Putnam and Thomas Horn.
16. Gothic-Architecture and Sacred Classical Music.

Think in terms of an Ancient Hebrew-Egypt -- complete with high-technology and space-travel. Further, think of a Dysfunctional Bad@ss Hebrew-Egyptian Royal Family from Orion -- as sort of an East of Eden -- or East of Giza -- complete with Rebels Without a Clue. Then, think of Genesis occurring in the context of the Book of Enoch. Think of Job, Song of Solomon, Psalms, Proverbs, Isaiah, and Ecclesiastes -- as being part of the story of Joseph, at the end of Genesis (37-50). Isn't it a bit odd that 25% of Genesis is devoted (more or less) to the story of Joseph?? Once again, consider the possibility that the stories are Historical-Fiction (containing fact and fiction). Think of Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Set as being that Royal Family (including the Archangels Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer). Just imagine that Exodus through Esther never happened -- just for the fun of it!! I'm NOT an Antisemitic Zionist-Conspiracy Theorist. I'm really not. I'm not particularly for or against the Modern State of Israel. I just think that in antiquity the Hebrews and Egyptians were EXTREMELY significant. When I watch Battlestar Galactica and Stargate SG-1 -- I keep thinking in terms of Hebrews and Egyptians. Steven Spielberg was trying to tell us something in his Indiana Jones movies. The Hebrews, Masons, Nazis, Jesuits, Archangels, et al -- never seem to be too far away from each other. Even Alex Jones spoke with Jordan Maxwell about Teutonic-Zionism -- and knocking down that last door, and finding a bunch of Kabbalists and Nazis!! Mind you -- I have NO hatred or nasty agendas. I simply do not wish for this solar system to become one big asteroid-belt -- and I truly think that COULD happen in a matter of hours (if not minutes). BTW -- I have a Hebrew and a Roman name -- I am a "V" -- and I'm closely related to Anna!! Enough said about THAT!! Review this thread and the United States of the Solar System thread VERY carefully. I've said a lot -- yet I've beat around the burning-bush a lot. You can't just  scan this stuff, and get it. You must be a dedicated researcher. In a sense, I've just created a research-laboratory with a particular-context. I haven't even come close to figuring this out -- and the Ancient Egyptian Deity said "You'll NEVER figure this out!!" We were somehow related -- but I don't know how -- that I wish to talk about anyway.

TRANCOSO wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:If people avoid information about complex social issues -- the PTB ridicule their ignorance and stupidity. If people learn all they can about complex social issues -- the PTB sometimes think of these persons as being problems or threats (especially if they are vocal and articulate in a contrarian manner). Perhaps one should pursue Fame, Fortune, Power, and Pleasure in a Positive and Morally-Ambiguous Manner -- Giving People What They Want -- While Taking What They Have. Making a Big-Deal About Big-Deals seems to be a lost-cause and a threat to national-security (or something like that).

Ortho, you worry too much!

The PTB will never succeed in their plans to establish a New World Order, because the moment their goal comes in sight, they will start to fight with each other.

Thank-you TRANCOSO. My theory is that the New World Order is thousands of years old -- and goes way back to Ancient-Egypt and Ancient-Rome. In other words, they're not setting up world-government. I frankly think that a One Solar System Government has existed for thousands, millions, or even billions of years. I sincerely doubt that we relatively recent Earth-Humans invented the idea of Global Governance or Solar System Governance. I simply think we are in the middle of a continuing battle for the control of this Solar System -- and possibly much, much more. The possibilities are driving me nuttier and nuttier each and every day. And yes, I worry too much. Giving a Damn -- Isn't Worth a Damn -- So I'm Leaving. I've started reading Murray Rothbard and Martin Heidegger. I've also planned half a dozen hobbies and activities for 2014 (and probably beyond) which have nothing to do with what I've tried to discuss on the internet. One more thing. Look at the architecture of the City-States -- and look at the back of a U.S. Dollar Bill -- for an idea of who's been running things in this world, for a very long time. I consider this solar system to be One-Big-Business, which I call Purgatory Incorporated. My current editorial-bias is that Purgatory Incorporated should morph into Paradise Incorporated -- in an evolutionary (rather than a revolutionary) manner. I'm frankly tired of talking about this madness -- and I am genuinely fearful of physical-harm and eternal-damnation -- so I'm just going to sit-back, and watch things play-out.

One more thing. I am in NO hurry regarding Disclosure and a United States of the Solar System. In fact, making a Big-Deal about either would probably be a HUGE Disaster. Once again, I support Evolutionary-Change rather than Revolutionary-Change. I have no Grand-Plans for the remainder of my pathetic-incarnation -- other than modeling the good, the bad, and the ugly -- regarding solar system governance relative to how the rest of the universe is governed. In my next incarnation, I'd really just prefer to hang-out in a cool office-apartment somewhere, and serve as a very low-key solar system governance consultant. I continue to have NO Idea what's REALLY going on -- and that's the truth. But years ago -- before I met the Ancient Egyptian Deity -- a mysterious Alphabet-Type almost mockingly suggested that at least someone thought I was the "smartest man in the world"!!! This certainly would NOT apply to this stupid incarnation. I'd be lucky to rank in the upper half (right at the dividing line) of worldwide intelligence. But really, as a child, I was extremely sensitive and intelligent, in unconventional ways -- which probably guaranteed that my life would be a living-hell and an utter-failure. I sometimes wonder if it was INTENDED to work out that way??!! Once again, I do NOT wish to be in rebellion and conflict with my Ancient-Ancestors -- but we REALLY need to talk -- openly and honestly. Someone said "We'll be leaving soon" -- but I was afraid to ask what they meant by that -- and if it included me. Think of the music Final Countdown, Kashmir, Levon, and Lights. Why would Jesus want to go to Venus -- exactly??!! I truly think that a lot of people are going to go insane in the coming days, months, and years -- and I might be one of them. In fact, I might already be one of them. The Horror.

B.B.Baghor wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you B.B. I guess I'm attempting to understand the differences and relationships between Heaven -- Purgatory -- and Hell (Past -- Present -- and Future) which seems to involve properly understanding Responsibility -- Freedom -- and Obedience. One who I have chosen to call "The Ancient Egyptian Deity" told me that the reality of Non-Human ET's with Socialist-Governance -- with Absolute-Obedience to an Absolute-Ruler -- worked MUCH better than that which exists on Planet Earth. When I expressed sympathy and empathy toward Earth-Humanity -- they seemed to say that saving Humanity would be a mistake. They said Humanity was "screwed". They implied that Earth might really be Hell. I broke my silence around 2008 -- and I think I've spent the last seven years pounding nails into my coffin (with me inside). How does that work -- exactly???

I must say you are a masterful with words, ortho, I had tears of laughter at your last sentences.. sounds already as...famous last words..
I don't believe you will go to heaven - or hell. Purgatory? Yes, possibly, for having bombarded us with all those possible planet Earth-scenario's in words and illustrations, tubbies and playboy honey bunnies in leopard and dragon skins. I'm kidding of course, I can't resist to be a jester to balance the seriousness of your posts, sometimes. It's not meant to kick at your footing, or are you in the air? As cheap as it may sound, I think you shouldn't believe all that you're told, ortho. Specially when that what's told is in resonance with your pessimism for humanity's chance to be saved. Or yours maybe? It's grain on your mill, as we say in Holland. Of course we're screwed, that's why we're geared with special "power tools" on solar batteries, to unscrew and repair the damage.

B.B.Baghor wrote:

B.B.Baghor wrote:

Pris wrote: I'm just curious.  OBEs and remote viewings are experiences in 'altered states'.  I'm familiar with those and anyone can imagine anything in those states. What's proof?  Lots and lots of hi-quality photographs might be nice.  Yes, I'm familiar with Photoshop and how easy it is to fake images. At least photographs provide... something tangible to study. Yes... what if?  Have I had many lives?  How can this be 'proven' outside of unprovable information from an altered state?

"... and anyone can imagine anything in those altered states." Yes, I agree with that being true, Pris, thanks for all your questions and requests for proof. They trigger many thoughts in me. I'm presenting no proof or evidence here, so don't wait for that. It's only my truth as I've found it so far and live by until this day. Don't you think it's for that statement of yours, that condition, that no proof can be given ever? Not to the public and not to one individual human being? That statement of yours proves how experiential truth and proof is, see?

It's as fleeting as water and a tough and wise paradox in the present conditions of life, I think. The wisdom, to me, is in the condition that only by free will the locks of inner doors will open to truth. I see the passing through these doors as a yes to "know thyself" and the response-ability for knowing that which can't be unknown. Finding the truth of who you are in crystal clarity is very painful at times. It's as much a bitter remedy to heal that life, depending on one's choice by free will. Our ego loves to protect its tender spots, by creating a reality with velvet prison bars, declaring what's real or not in those "altered states". It's that famous going in circles, to maintain the peace, never breaking with that protocol, for survival.

I've found through experience, that it's a very thin line between discerning reality with common sense and the practical handling of it in form and expressions of it and the reality we may experience in "altered states" or the virtual world of www.  Either chosen in full consciousness or dwelling in them for whatever reason, though unconscious of it, triggered by the need to escape the pain and suffering in an existence with a physical form holding our spirit. It's a futile attempt though, for as I experienced, it's jumping from a hot spring into a steaming cauldron. When I go... into the astral world, imagine and ponder in an attempt to find understanding and directions, I may involve my instinctual reactions in it and experience them as if they're real and happening already. I know how to do that, I don't choose to go there unaware.

I think that you, ortho are at times in this state, capable of becoming that, what you imagine as a possibility, in "silent desperation" as you describe it. I think that you're taking part in much suffering and pain in human souls by a sort of "channeling" it, imagined as a possible reality. Even sensing alien beings? Please correct me if I'm wrong, ortho? I'm in respect to your investigation of the truth and the implications of your style to find answers, honestly! To me, it's a difficult path and you must be strong to go that far on it, dividing the water of the Red Sea, in a sense....

As far as I came to understand it, channeling is of itself not a spiritual action. That's the reason why it's often discussed and set aside as a...."no go there" in non-acceptance of it. It's hard to find evidence and proof in channeled messages. For the personality of the one who channels can blend in with the message coming in from another source. It's a tricky world, not necessarily evil, but tricky. When practiced in spiritual schools and trainings with a certain curriculum, channeling can mean opening up to an intrusion of beings and energies that disturb the game and challenge the designer of that game... that curriculum. Conflicting intentions may clash.

It's a touchy subject, for some mediums who channel, derive their status from it and practice being a medium as a substitute for "I'm not here, don't look at me, I'm not here at all" and one should be highly suspicious to the words coming out of these mouths, often presented to the "masses" in sensational flowery and flattering fringes. Although the 3rd Reich devotees in the streets of Berlin, were similarly "hypnotized" but in less flowery fringes, as we all know. Ortho, you published an image of such a moment, recently and to me it's tangible what's happening in that sepia reality.

One can be spiritual without being psychic and one can by psychic without being spiritual, as I perceive this as true. Think for yourself. I've found the fleeting nature of truth (again) by a recent experience of mine, when trying to find my way where I live now, in the UK. It also reminded me of a youth-full bragging which says much about how my mind works, creating my logic and the interpretation of my reality. At a very young age, I think I was 8 years old, I taught myself how to swim. Pleased with myself I went home and yelled at my aunt who opened the door "I can swim, only I still sink!" which made her bend over in laughter. To me this exclamation was a truth and logic that was clear evidence.

In the first week of my exploring of the area, walking a footpath to a nearby city, I found myself on a corner with a street-name that looked familiar to me. I thought "Well, it seems that there's a street with the same name here too" assuming I had reached that city. Slowly my surrounding world dawned on me and I noticed that I had arrived at the starting point of my walk, in the village where I live. I had to laugh about my mistake, also for the fact that I love to explore and wander without a map.

Since that week, I've made long walks and explored the area all around my village, finding hidden forests with gurgling streams, hilltops in the blazing sun and this week, a meadow with a sick cow that I found suddenly, hiding under the trees chewing herbs, while I munched my lunch. I could be a guide to the villagers, for being without a map, just feeling my way into and out of unfamiliar terrain, I discover many hidden places. On second thought... reminding myself of that circling tour in my first week... doesn't that sound familiar to this "I can swim, but I still sink?

Floyd wrote:Likewise i would say alien religions are meaningless. The only things in our pockets are love for eachother and the planet that feeds us.

Aquaries1111 wrote: There is no one answer to anything. I heard a phrase once. "We are not here to do your thinking for you, we are here to teach you How to Think"! I liked that, why it stuck! Are we so full of energy that we have nothing better to do with our time than to ask questions to a computer who craves our consciousness? I wonder why we continue to speak to a computer as if it can indeed answer our questions! You posted the video of Hal remember? What did Hal try to do? Take over the mind of a man who had feelings! Computers do not have reason, feelings, intuition, nor do they have for us a new answer. Are we looking for new answers? New reason? New feelings? New intuitions? Are we looking for a new song, a new cloud, a new question? What question haven't you asked Oxy. Can you think of one? Why are we always looking for answers? Perhaps the key is in asking a new question! I got one? How do you spell my name?

Floyd wrote:We are all a collection of random particles come together. Nobody knows.... Run a mile from those who think they do know. I guess.. Its just a big party.  Maybe there are some who have been thru the mix before and come to help.  Love one another and always be critical of alien gods lol.  

Floyd wrote:Oxy -- We cant learn from aliens. I dont know which is worse -- The usual old relgions or the fabricated alien religions. We can only learn from what we do of in each moment of every day. There are no gods. Or as the buddha said -- There are no pathways in the sky.

"She Looks Just Like Her Mother!!"

Floyd wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote: Floyd, what if Renegade Reptilians and Greys from Orion created Human-Beings -- and what if Hard-Line Traditionalist Reptilians and Greys from Orion created Religions to Control and Exploit Human-Beings??!! I truly believe that a lot of people are Atheists, Agnostics, and True-Believers because they don't wish to go through the hell which is part of achieving the Real Version of Life, the Universe, and Everything. It's just too difficult, complex, and upsetting. BTW -- I can understand that. My very limited quest has just about completely destroyed me -- and I'm NOT joking. What if there really are Stargates and Wormholes?? Galactic Travel might be more sophisticated than we can possibly imagine. I think we might be quite isolated and dumbed-down in our little Prison Planet in Rebellion!!

In simple Liverpudlian non reptilian terms i would say Forget about it pal. Its all bollocks and live your life to the full. Thats what i would say. Of course there could be some heavy duty lizard XXXX going on but i doubt very much.

mudra wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Just about anything can be good -- and just about anything can be bad -- including cults. Sometimes it depends on who's running things -- and sometimes it depends on whether a particular situation is a good fit, or not. Sometimes it depends on when one joins -- and when one leaves. I've sort of had a cult of one -- for myself -- within the Mists. I'm sure it could've been turned into a cult -- but I'm not that kind of guy. What's sad, is that treating the material I've been dealing with in a cultish manner would've probably generated a helluva lot more interest than it did. I'm presently walking away from the whole thing -- and I probably should've done so a couple of years ago. I spent a lot of time in classes taught by a famous cult-watcher named Dr. Walter Martin. I remember him saying that cults always promote something which they alone have -- and which nobody else has. Being special and exclusive seems to be a big draw. I've been trying to facilitate a form of Judeo-Christianity which has high-standards -- yet which is non-exclusive and non-cultish. The problem is that I end-up offending everyone, and making everyone angry -- just by trying to make everyone think. I've been reduced to determining to leave the Mists, and just study my study-guide without trying to convince anyone of anything. In essence, I will be a Cult of One -- or a Secret Society with only One Member!! I think this might be a Soul-Preparation for Future-Incarnations -- because I doubt that what I've presented within the Mists will gain traction during the remainder of this century. Some things just can't be rushed or forced without causing HUGE problems and misunderstandings. Some things have to run their course -- and I suspect that this civilization will just have to learn the hard way. Perhaps that's the ONLY Way.

mudra wrote:
The United States of the Solar System -- Archangelic Queens of Heaven -- and the University of Solar System Studies and Governance: 13524 views

Archangelic Queens of Heaven and the United States of the Solar System: 23101 views

That's the number of hits your main threads got Oxy. A substantial number of fans I would say
They may not be all on this forum engaging in a dialogue with you but you certainly got readers out there Oxy.
May be that indicates a book around your work would find success.

" Its the possibility that keeps me going , not the guarantee " . These are the words of some anonymous author that I came across lately.
And as Maxwell Maltz said " If you make friends with yourself you will never be alone " .

I guess this is true for us all.

Every single one of us is a unique vibration of the infinite creation.

Much Love for You

mudra

Sanicle wrote:Thanks for your interest and replying Burgundia.  I'm not surprised you're still a bit puzzled by what I've posted.  After reading your comment I went back to the beginning to have a look at it all with fresh eyes and have seen numerous spots where I should've added more info to make both my questions and E's answers more readily understandable.  So that is a task I'll have to undertake.  Thank you for opening my eyes to that.  I didn't even explain who E is in the first post, lol, forgetting that anyone who hasn't followed the 'Elementals' thread would have no idea.   :roll:That must be fixed at least.  I can also add links to where, in that thread, I've added posts that explain some of what we've discussed in the above. But I can do so on this thread if that's not the case.  I'm such a dill sometimes, just going in the flow of the moment instead of putting the proper foundations in when I'm trying to explain something to others, forgetting that they don't have my data bank to reference like I do.  I did the same on the Elementals thread too, trying to keep up with new developments and adding those before even explaining the basics of what I was referring to in starting the thread in the first place.

As to your second part of your comment..................

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There is also one more thing I have been pondering on recently: too much cruelty in this world which is practically based on killing . Why would God create such a world, so imperfect with the evil in power?

Yes, those have been my thoughts for many years.  In particular as regards the animals.  I remember when I was in my early teens (I think) finding out what 'meat' was, where it came from and how.  I was horrified but told to stop being an idiot.  And then the more you learn about the world, the worse it gets.  So I've been asking that same question for a long time, and said as much on the 'Carnivores' thread, even though I knew it would not go down too well with some.  (here)

Yes, why would 'God' create such a world?  And why is it, as I've read others asking recently, that so many pray to 'Him' and meditate in the hundreds for peace and freedom for all and yet nothing changes?  It just stays the same or even get worse.

So maybe E has given us an answer to this conundrum.  As you say, there are many elements of what she says that sit well with me.  But I'm still digesting it all too.  When I've done enough of that and fixed up what I've posted so far, I intend to ask her another 'big' question.  What was life like before 'God' took over, that she and her kind are working to return us to?  Should be interesting.  But I have to wait until my mind settles enough so I can listen clearly.

"You Gotta Problem With ET??!!"

Carol wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDsPWmioSHg

Jimmy Carter: The U.S. Is an “Oligarchy With Unlimited Political Bribery”

Thom Hartmann talks with President Jimmy Carter, 39th President of the United States (1977 to 1981) / Humanitarian / Awarded Nobel Peace Prize in 2002 / Author of many books, including his latest, A Full Life...Reflections at Ninety, Website: http://books.simonandschuster.com
July 30 2015

Former president Jimmy Carter said Tuesday on the nationally syndicated radio show the Thom Hartmann Program that the United States is now an “oligarchy” in which “unlimited political bribery” has created “a complete subversion of our political system as a payoff to major contributors.” Both Democrats and Republicans, Carter said, “look upon this unlimited money as a great benefit to themselves.”

Carter was responding to a question from Hartmann about recent Supreme Court decisions on campaign financing like Citizens United.

HARTMANN: Our Supreme Court has now said, “unlimited money in politics.” It seems like a violation of principles of democracy. … Your thoughts on that?

CARTER: It violates the essence of what made America a great country in its political system. Now it’s just an oligarchy, with unlimited political bribery being the essence of getting the nominations for president or to elect the president. And the same thing applies to governors and U.S. senators and congress members. So now we’ve just seen a complete subversion of our political system as a payoff to major contributors, who want and expect and sometimes get favors for themselves after the election’s over. … The incumbents, Democrats and Republicans, look upon this unlimited money as a great benefit to themselves. Somebody’s who’s already in Congress has a lot more to sell to an avid contributor than somebody who’s just a challenger.