Thank-you B.B. I'm not sure what I'm really trying to convey, if anything. This is probably an attempt to deal with why we don't seem to be in 'Heaven'. It's probably an attempt to understand why Christianity has seemed to fail so many of us -- and to attempt to grasp what might need to be done to make things 'OK' again. Thinking of the solar system as being one big business seems to make a lot of sense -- yet it poses a lot of unanswered questions. I seem to be proposing that Purgatory Incorporated morph into Paradise Incorporated -- but without knowing the whole inside-story -- it's probably irresponsible and futile to propose anything in this regard. And please know that I have withdrawn ALL of my ideas and proposals -- for a variety of reasons. Often, the Theology Game seems to be played like a Football Game!! "The Protestants fumble the question on the fifteen yard-line!! First-Down, Notre Dame!!" Theology never seems to involve a genuine search for truth. It's often very lawyer-like and mealy-mouthed!! Please remember that I am modeling ideas and personalities which do not necessarily reflect who I really am in real-life. This is a test. This is only a test. Please notice that the end-result of my madness has been a homeostasis or dynamic-equilibrium of support and attack regarding the powers that be -- and the way things are. Please remember too, that my background is SDA -- but I have not regularly attended services for a very long time -- so don't blame them for me. I am a product of a wide variety of influences (each of which would probably disown me)!! Here is a repetitive list which some of you might find enlightening:B.B.Baghor wrote:Quote by Orthodoxymoron
"Whatever the case may be -- I am NOT in any condition to do much of anything (especially in public). It's a constant war -- just to maintain my mediocrity"
Wow, I'm truly amazed by your capacity, orthodoxymoron, to present huge amounts of info here and to find your statement (in this quote).
To be honest, I can't even begin to grasp all that you try to convey in them, it's simply to much of a good thing!
If I would read them, I'm afraid I would feel the same, exactly as you do!
Hope you don't feel offended!
1. The Conflict of the Ages Series by Ellen G. White.
2. The Books and Lectures of Joseph Farrell.
3. The Books and Lectures of Ralph Ellis.
4. The Books and Lectures of A. Graham Maxwell.
5. The Books and Lectures of Desmond Ford.
6. The Books and Lectures of Alden Thompson.
The whole historical--philosophical--theological snake-pit is rather tricky and nasty -- especially when one adds science and science-fiction!! No matter how one puts things together -- it's always wrong in some way, shape, or form!! Liturgical-Conservatism and Theological-Liberalism is one attempted modality for managing the madness!! Anyway -- Good-Luck, Namaste, and Godspeed!!
Here is another post-retread. Repetition. Repetition. Repetition...
Someone once asked "Maybe somewhere in the Solar system they have a better constitution. Why not ask first?"
Is anyone aware of a better constitution which has been in use for at least a couple of centuries? Can you provide a link? I highly suspect that alien races monitor this site...and possibly comment. I'm not trying to be arrogant. This is completely new territory to me. I'm simply exploring a distant and mythical land. Everything seems to be changing...and up for grabs. I'm sort of a rebel without a clue.
I welcome all alternative constitutions which have a significant history, and widespread application...so as to be able to evaluate the effectiveness of the document in real world and real universe conditions. This invitation also applies to alternatives to the United Nations Charter...which the slightly modified United States Constitution is intended to replace.
I'm simply trying to think in non-nationalistic, non-protectionistic, all-inclusive terms. Do we want a New World Order and Secret(or Open) Alien Rule of Earth? Some say this constitutes a Theocracy. Is this what we want? Can a Theocracy be anything but Tyrannical? Can a Tyranny be anything but Corrupt? Are there exceptions to the concept that Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely? My guess is that a Constitutional Alternative to a Universal Church would have to apply to the entire solar system...at least. I guess this would be an attempt to get the Secret Space Program and Deep Underground Military Bases (throughout the solar system?) under control...and to attempt to prevent a solar system wide Battle of Armageddon...which could potentially destroy most...if not all...life in the solar system. There seems to be evidence of very ancient and very catastophic battles in this solar system. I suspect some very bitter feelings and very bad blood among the various races...going back a long, long time. If true...this may be very difficult to overcome.
This is all obviously hypothetical...and without insider information and/or governmental disclosure...would be impossible to prove. I'm just considering possibilities...and I recongnize the limitations of doing so.
If we don't learn from history...we are doomed. I prefer a proven foundation...rather than an unproven foundation. The United States of America and the U.S. Constitution...were an attempt to escape the tyranny and persecution of Royalty and Theocracy. The object was to give the power to the people. Starting from scratch...at this point...would probably result in anarchy...which would probably result in tyranny. If malevolent human and alien tyrants were removed...and constitutional governance instituted...the corrupted and fearful followers would probably become good beings in a free society.
I'm not sure that the Powers That Be in Orion and Draco (and elsewhere or elsewhen?) see it this way...but they would probably have to reluctantly, grudgingly, and possibly angrily...agree to such an arrangement...or it would be a non-starter. I don't think that these beings are necessarily evil...but I think that they have a huge amount of negative baggage. We might have to make this thing work...and in a few thousand(or million) years...they may decide to come on board as well. Just conjecture.
Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom liberates the divine within the human (and within the reptilian and grey?) to reach unimaginable heights. The U.S. Constitution is a NOW document. Decisions regarding current issues are based on the best available information and thinking...NOW. The Power of NOW. A Theocracy does just the opposite. Especially a corrupt Theocracy. And by my definition, at least...a Theocracy is Always Corrupt. What do you think...Lucifer? Are you the kingpin...or are you caught in the middle? What's it going to take to make this work? I want your advice...but not your orders. And I won't bow down and worship you!
This whole thread is just an experiment. It's as much about modifying my thinking...as it is about attempting to modify anyone elses. I especially liked the following suggestion:
'Owing to the increased longevity of Beings in the United Worlds, Representatives should serve a One-time term of 10-years, and Senators should serve a One-time term of 20-years. By this, we also remove the costly and discordant "re-election campaigns." Those so elected may be subject to re-call by the Electorate for non-performance or malfeasants. All elections shall be by DIRECT VOTE of the Electorate by simple majority with no intervening Electoral college or similar.'
If each region was internally under a local version of the solar system constitution...a continuity from local to solar system governance would be more seamless. The military and militia references in the Constitution...as is...would seem to take care of the military matter. To me...modifications are welcome...but pretty soon you can end up with a document which bears little resemblance to the original...is vastly inferior...and which no one can agree on. Then we're back in Tyranny Territory.
If the electorate were electronically connected to the elected...and communicated constantly on all issues...the will of well informed and responsible beings...would more likely be instituted. Elections would be relatively cheap...if limited to internet campaigning and debating. One 10 year term for all offices sounds good to me. But again...I'd prefer to leave the original Constitution in as much of it's original form as possible. The original terms would probably work fine...and would provide for a more constant rotation of power. It seems that a good being becomes a bad being very quickly when they gain a little power and recognition. They are at their best when they first decide to seek office. It's all downhill from there...
How about 5 year terms for the Reps...and 10 year terms for the Greys? Now the Reps are going to eat me. Please don't eat us. I hear that they have some really good Organic VeggieHuman at the Whole Foods in the Deep Underground Military Base Commissaries. We need to really have a serious conversation regarding abductions, human sacrifices, eating humans, etc. I hope that most of this is BS...but I'm afraid that it may be much worse than we have been told.
Is the division of territories into States rather than Worlds (or even Countries) significant? I think it is. Numerous States provide for a systematic and orderly decentalization. There might be a thousand States throughout the Solar System. If each of these States had independent militias/armies/uforces...it would be very difficult to impose Tyranny. If a significant outside threat arose...these independent forces would undoubtedly unite to oppose the outside threat. An outer perimeter uforce would be financed by the United States of the Solar System...and would defend against any external invasion of the Solar System...but would not be used to crack down on member States.
I'm going to attempt to stay as close as possible to the proposal in the first post. It may turn out to be a losing battle...but I'm going to give it a bloody go. Don't take it personally when I do this. I'm appreciative of all suggestions and observations. I guess I'm trying to be a Minimalist Fundamentalist.
One person said "Great Idea, but there is probably already something like that for the whole galaxy."
What if the whole universe is generally $crewed up? I used to think just the opposite...but now I don't know. I used to think that it was just us stupid humans on this miserable planet who were the ugly mole on the face of a beautiful and perfect universe...and that if you listened to the preacher and did what he told you to do...Jesus would come and save us...and the unbelieving masses would be destroyed by a 'loving' God...while us 'good' people flew off to live forever in Heaven. I don't think like this anymore. Hence...orthodoxymoron. I'm leaning toward a Star Wars scenario...where Humans and Reptilians are battling with each other to see who gets to be God and Master of the Universe. I'm quite confused about the Greys...as to whether they are Reptilian, Manufactured, or a separate race which is caught in between the Reps and Humans. In any case...it seems reasonable to conduct business properly in this part of the galaxy. Accomodating all races in a reasonable manner seems reasonable to me. But perhaps the other races are much more dangerous than I can imagine. I really don't know. Obama, the Pope, the Jesuits, the CIA, the NSA, etc...always forget to brief me!
Meanwhile...I am toying with the idea of basing this civilization on the best form of government this world has seen in a long, long time. Including the entire solar system may be a mistake...but it's an idea which appeals to me presently...and so I'm going to run with it...until a Jesuit trips me...and I go flying. And I don't doubt that they are very capable of doing just that. Actually, I'm easy. I'm just sick of the murder and mayhem which has plagued this planet...going way, way back. I want the BS to stop. NOW.
Another person said "I agree that the American Constitution has some great ideals and principles. The US seems to be the only country that formally recognizes that a citizen has absolute individual rights. That’s fantastic – even “cosmic”. But one big question is, how does that Constitution get so routinely abused and ignored and subverted in practice? (And indeed, all my own astral travelling and RVing suggests that that kind of subversion is unheard of on any other civilised planet -- with the exception of future versions of our planet, such as the P47s presumably are.) American readers probably have greater trouble viewing the American “matrix” objectively than do people from another country. (Sorry about that.) Obviously to most non-Americans, the American “matrix” has been manipulated so as to create a violent society. I know that Chomsky devoted half of one of his books to arguing and even proving that violence has always been one of the core central features of US society, from the beginning. It’s no coincidence that the crime rate in America is at least 12 times greater than in Western Europe. And that figure goes up to 16 or more times greater when it comes to crimes like murder. So another question is, how does one help people who live within such a violent “matrix” to detach from it, both individually and even as a society?"
Christianity has ignored the Teachings of Jesus. America has often ignored it's Constitution. The United States is supposedly a Christian Nation. One Nation Under God. Think about these previous five sentences. What's wrong with this picture? The United States of America and it's Constitution are in the crosshairs...and slated for a controlled demolition. The United States and it's Constitution are at war with a powerful force which goes way back into ancient Babylon, Egypt, and Rome. Lucifer knows exactly what I am talking about...don't you Lucifer?
Another commented "No offense, but I don't think that humanity needs a piece of paper or papers to co-exist in a new paradigm. We've seen what weight the Constitution holds in modern times (read: zero) and in order for a new document (or any document) to have meaning, it must be held to the highest regard by all and it must be respected or else, it is just a piece of paper."
So...who has the ultimate authority in this world and solar system? Take a look at this discussion. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9368&highlight=orthodoxymoron&page=8 Minimalist paperwork which gives a legal foundation for minimalist government...prevents a theocracy, monarchy, or any other type of dictatorship from gaining a stronghold...and eventually taking over. Do you want to be more of a slave than you already are? Think about it.
In a Constitution for the Solar System...should the term 'Physical Being' be used instead of simply 'Being'? What if aliens are demonic spirits manifesting as Reptilians and Greys? Or...if a person went out of their body...would they have TWO votes? If they were demonically possessed...would they have 20 votes? I'm leaning toward the idea that there are physical Reptilians, Greys, and Humans...who have souls which can exit their physical bodies. And further...that there are good and evil factions of Reptilians, Greys, and Humans. The question is...how do you create a dominance of good over evil...and an equilibrium of races...so that tyranny, enslavement, and extermination does not occur?
I'm considering this thread to be a mental exercise...as much as anything. You may find the following paragraph to be quite bizarre...but I am trying to illustrate a topic which doesn't get discussed very often or very well. I doubt that Lucifer will read this thread...but one never knows. Check out the following link for a rather bizarre look at how Lucifer could possibly relate to God, Jesus, Aliens, The New World Order, The Kingdom of God, etc. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15014&highlight=orthodoxymoron I'm thinking that these two threads are extremely important. I'm probably getting it wrong...but I think that I am hot on the trail of something big. You may be the one to get it right...and really figure this thing out. Please consider both threads very, very carefully...read between the lines...and use your imagination. Good luck!
Lucifer...you are the God of This World...right? Are you the God of This Solar System? Who has the ultimate authority over Earth? Who has the ultimate authority over the Solar System? Lucifer...what document would you turn all of your authority and power over to...which would be the epitome of Constitutional Responsible Freedom...and which would guarantee Responsible Freedom to all beings throughout the entire Solar System? Do the Teachings of Jesus have something to do with this question? Does the Constitution of the United States of America have something to do with this question? These are not moot points. They may be the most important points of all. Gaining our freedom is really a legal issue. This is all about law. Lucifer...please produce the document which...if agreed to...would secure the Responsible Freedom of Earth and possibly the Solar System...and allow you to retire from your post as The God of This World...and possibly as The God of This Solar System. Would the document in the first post of this thread accomplish this goal? I believe that you have stated 'If I can't have them...nobody can.' Fair enough. If the document in the first post of this thread was enacted...nobody would have them. We would have ourselves. Nobody would replace you. There would be no gods before us. We would rule ourselves with Constitutional Responsible Freedom. This is the end of the road...Lucifer. Let We the Beings of This Solar System go. The universe is watching. By the way...Lucifer...are you fond of asking 'Your point?'...or 'The point?'...and saying 'Wait awhile'? Just thought I'd ask.
I'm beginning to think that we really deserve the New World Order. We really can't handle the freedom which a particular piece of paper guarantees. If this thread is a waste of time...there is no one forcing anyone to waste their time commenting on it.
I guess I'm trying to create a new way of thinking for myself...and possibly for others...if there is merit in doing so. I have minimally changed the wording of the Constitution to make it come alive in the space-age. Honestly...I'm toying with making it a sort of minimalist religion...which really isn't a religion. There is no god at the head of this religion...only the divinity which exists within all beings. The consitutional process is supremely important...and there are no rules and regulations regarding how to live...and no promises of heaven...or threats of hell and damnation. I'm trying to get rid of nationalism and protectionism...and to out-do globalism...by applying the Constitution to the Solar System.
Would benevolent beings throughout the Solar System have a problem with this? Would malevolent beings throughout the Solar System have a problem with this? If God exists behind the shadows of the universe...would there be a Divine objection to this approach? I dream of seeing something like this instituted...and having God show up one day...saying 'What took you so long? This is what I had in mind from the beginning...but you had to do it.' I see intelligent design...and I also see evolution. What I do not see...is an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving, and all-present God...running this Solar System. I'm seeing God Wannabes...playing god...in a malevolent and dictatorial manner.
The goal is the mutually beneficial interaction and method of decision-making for the benevolent beings of this Solar System. The door would always be open to malevolent beings...should they decide to play nice and to play fair. I don't care what non-human beings look like...or what our history with them has been. I simply want this Solar System to be properly run...in a non-corrupt and non-dictatorial manner...with no atrocities, enslavement, extermination, exploitation, etc, etc. I'm not expecting God...or anyone else...to do this for us. We need to be big boys and girls...and live as responsible citizens...in an interplanetary sense.
What if I should focus exclusively on the human race...because there is so much confusion, deception, and disinformation regarding other races? What if...in this internet age...representatives are not necessary or desired? What if legislation was drafted by the people directly...and then debated on the internet for 1 year before voting on it? What if there was a yearly test...on current events and laws...which would qualify a person to be a knowledgeable and responsible voter? Instead of running for office...one would study for a test. Passing this test would qualify a person to be a voter. Should the United States of the Solar System simply consist of reasonable groupings of human beings throughout the Solar System?
My mind is not made up. I'm simply trying to learn. My mind is becoming more and more confident regarding the concept of responsible freedom...but I am not absolutely sure how this should best be implemented. Instead of a national view, or a world view...I really like the idea of a Solar System View. Do you see where I am going with this thread? It's a different way of looking at things.
I'm trying to take a break...but I just had to change the wording of the Constitution for the United States of the Solar System...to include only Human Beings. This is not anti-alien. It is a safeguard. Malevolent Alien Beings are a major problem and threat. We the People of the United States of the Solar System need to get our house in order...and then interact with all Alien Nations in an open yet cautious manner.
I'm liking the document in the first post more and more...with the wording slightly modified to be inclusive of male and female...and to include regions throughout the Solar System which are occupied by Human Beings. Obviously...without inside information...I can't know who is where (and why)...throughout the Solar System. I'm really flying blind. I'm just trying to change my paradigm.
Questions of who really owns and controls Earth, the Moon, and the rest of the Solar System need to be asked in a very forceful and compelling manner. Can those who are here (Human and Alien)...lose their lease...and be 86'd from the Solar System? The answer to this question could make the subject of ownership and control very complex and interesting. Get ready for a very rough ride. Fasten your seatbelts.
I'd love to hear Michael Salla's views on this thread. I intend to research his views and the exopolitics subject. I hope all of you who read this...do some research on your own (that is key)...and share the results of your investigations. I don't mind being completely wrong. I just want truth and justice to emerge from the confusion.
Any comments? Isn't governance the most important issue to consider? Is the Solar System really a unit...rather than a collection of separate and unrelated parts? Why not make this Solar System a haven and refuge for benevolent beings? Would benevolent beings be tough enough to defend the Solar System against invasions by malevolent beings? Could this be what the Secret Space Program and Deep Underground Military Bases are all about? Are turncoat reptilians and greys assisting humans in a quest to gain responsible freedom? I don't know. What do you think?
If Alien Nations were to be included in The United States of the Solar System...they would have to be benevolent...wouldn't they? How would we conclusively determine if they were truly benevolent? A Trojan Horse situation would be very grave indeed. The current language of the Constitution of the United States of the Solar System is exclusively human...as a precaution against the unknown nature of the Alien Nations.
Tell me what you think about having non-human beings participating in a constitutional representative republic.
Do we need a Solar System View rather than a World View? In 3rd or 4th grade...I drew the Solar System over and over again...day after day. Why? Also...why does this thread generate no interest? It would seem to be a polarizing or even inflammatory subject...especially in light of the cr@p the U.S. has been involved in over the last few decades. The rest of the world is not amused. I am, however, promoting the Constitution...and not the U.S.
Could someone please tell me who really owns and controls the Solar System? Is there a Solar System Constitution which presently exists (other than the one in the first post)? Are these important questions? Why? Why not?
Are any moons or planets for sale? How much would Neptune pay for Uranus? This thread is about all aspects of the Solar System...but always with the governmental aspects clearly in mind. I call this Comprehensive Concentration. Which planets and moons have bases on them? Most of them? Do the inhabitants comment on Avalon? Hmmmm.
I am assuming nothing. I would hope that Responsible Freedom is not a new, feared, or forbidden concept in a supposedly highly advanced universe. This exercise is not an attempt to lay down the law. It is an attempt to turn on the light. Let there be light. Will we see that things are good throughout the solar system...or will we be appalled? I desire the end of tyranny and secrecy. I desire simple non-theocratic godliness. Jesus said that the truth would set us free. What was he referring to? Could it be Responsibility in the light of full disclosure?
Are humans really the new kids? Or...Are humans the abused kids? Is freedom a bad word in the universe? Is theocracy a good word in the universe? Is asking questions about the ownership and control of the solar system a bad thing? If Nazi's and Greys control the Moon...should we be OK with that? Did the galactic PTB not warn them off? Why was a legitimate U.S. space effort warned off? Does this say something about who presently runs the solar system? If Lucifer is the God of This World...should we be OK with that? Perhaps this exercise on this thread will result in an unexpected disclosure. Perhaps the benevolent beings throughout the universe have been waiting for us to engage in just such an exercise. Is thinking beyond Earth an exercise in futility?
If advanced beings have moved beyond the primitive and obsolete concept of ownership...then they shouldn't mind if Earth humans own the solar system...should they? I'm half-joking...and half-serious. Recent Earth history is historical fiction...with emphasis on fiction...seemingly for the purpose of keeping us controlled, fearful, and stupid. The truth might have been a better approach.
A responsible general public will guarantee the success of this concept. Every man, women, and child will be a member of the New Illuminati. The peons must move up...and the elites must move down. At some point...the two parties will meet...and will hopefully party together. Obviously...this process will involve much weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth. Namaste will be the word of the day. The divinity within all of humanity will make this work. The quoted text mostly sounds very good (with just a quick read through). What is the source? A silver standard is supposed to be superior to a gold standard...because gold is too scarce. How about a yttrium standard? Just kidding! Continuity of the best things in this world should be very carefully guarded. The worst things in this world should be very carefully discarded. It just seems logical to utilize the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...and apply it to the entire Solar System. This would replace the Demonic Theocracy which seems to have Malevolent ET's at the Top of the Pyramid. I can't prove this...but it sure seems like that is the case. I'm open to alternatives...but I'm going to continue to test the proposal in the first post of this thread...at least until December 21, 2012.
I just added a couple of videos...and the 'Declaration of Human Sovereignty' from www.humansovereignty.org. Please take a look...and tell me what you think...pro or con. Do not be alarmed. Go back to your homes (or your DUMB's). This is a test. This is only a test. Benevolents of all races should not fear. Malevolents of all races had better start packing their bags. Get ready for a Solar System Exorcism. The ectoplasm is going to be flowing in the streets.
Consider the following thread in the context of this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10158 Will Presidential Disclosure only occur AFTER most of us have been exterminated and enslaved...when there is no longer any possibility of us gaining permanent human sovereignty and responsible freedom? This is probably the right time to discuss this. We may not be able to in the near future. It may be later than we think. Conduit Closing.
Even if you don't agree with the proposal in the first post of this thread...it might be helpful to think through how you would run the Solar System. Would you desire a constitution? If so...what constitution do you prefer? Would you want to be a dictator? How should the Solar System be governed? Should an alien nation rule over us...and be our gods? What is your verdict?
Is the first post of this thread unreasonable? If so...why so? Is everyone OK with the New World Order? If so...why so? Is the New World Order the New Paradigm? Is it really new? How this Solar System is governed is supremely important. Does anyone care? Can we learn to be happy slaves? Maybe it won't be so bad.
I saw a bumpersticker that I liked. It read 'I DON'T WANT A SOLUTION! I JUST WANT TO COMPLAIN!'
Why is the first post not a partial solution...at least? Should non-humans rule humans? Should humans rule non-humans? Should humans rule humans...and non-humans rule non-humans? Should we leave each other alone? I don't want any kind of a war. I just want this Solar System to be run in a rational and compassionate manner. I don't have a prefabricated heaven to look forward to...like I did when I was a lot younger. I expect to get recycled back into this madness...and so I am trying to help clean up this mess...so that I will have a hopefully better world to reincarnate back into. I'm not buying a lot of the ascension stuff...or going to a better place stuff. I think we have to stay here and make this thing work. We have to make our bed...and sleep in it. I'm still not absolutely certain about greys, reptilians, interdimensionals, Lucifer, etc. I'm playing along as if these beings are very real...but I don't really know. If non-human beings have a legitmate claim on Earth, the Moon, and the rest of the Solar Sytem...this seriously complicates things. I'm leaning toward humans ruling humans throughout the Solar System...and cautiously interacting with non-humans...without them being a part of human government. Obviously, I don't know the true state of affairs...so I cannot speak with any real certainty. Still...we should spend a lot of time and energy thinking about these issues and questions. Unfortunately...I'm seeing virtually no interest in this thread. I'm just testing an idea at this point...and fishing for ideas and input.
I'm just trying to combine Namaste with Constitutional Responsible Freedom utilizing the U.S. Constitution in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System. This would be a non-theocratic union of spirituality and state...with an organized decentralism...giving the power to the many...rather than to the few. If this sounds too simple...consider that if it's not simple...it will not work. I just want to plant the idea in at least a few people who are in a position to properly research and consider this...and to possibly begin to implement it...if it is deemed to be reasonable and workable. I'm not in a position to personally do this. People with much more talent, education, connections, drive, etc...would need to make this happen. A lot of humans and non-humans would have to sign-off on something like this for it to have even half a chance of working. I keep trying to convince Lucifer to work out the details...and then retire...but I don't think he or she spends much time on Avalon. But one never knows. This could not be forced...as that would defeat the whole purpose and concept.
This is really a collection of other people's ideas and work. Secrecy, Compartmentalization, and Tyranny seem to be the three big enemies. I just finished rewatching Alex Collier's 1995 lecture...and he says so much which harmonizes with this thread. I have a feeling that Bill Cooper and Alex Collier are going to be featured prominently in the history books of the future.
Just an unrelated thought about elected officials. Perhaps they should have to earn Masters and Doctorate Degrees in Government (or equivalent)...and be genuinely qualified to participate. Perhaps they should have to take an extensive battery of tests...to determine their suitability to hold high office...rather than just getting the nod of the CFR or the Bilderberg Group.
Speaking of the CFR. They have a great journal called 'Foreign Affairs'. I would like to see a rival publication which is patterned after 'Foreign Affairs'...but with an editorial bias which is in harmony with this thread (especiallly post #1). We need to beat the PTB at their own game. We need to invite ourselves to their party...instead of shouting at them from across the street.
Just a plug for the videos in the first post (including the Cooper and Collier videos). I've been watching them in order...sort of like a movie...repeatedly. I'm sort of programming myself (better than being programmed by the PTB)! Repetition, repetition, repetition...and ACTION! (I got that line from W. Clement Stone)
I found a really cool section of the 'Urantia Book' which sheds light on the principles and concepts discussed in this thread. I continue to be enamored with the concept of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. Without the qualifying words 'Constitutional' and 'Responsible'...'Freedom' in nothing more than 'Anarchy' and 'Rebellion'...which quickly degenerates into an even worse form of 'Tyranny' than the one which was so righteously objected to. Was this Lucifer's BIG mistake? PLEASE closely examine the following words:
054:1 TRUE AND FALSE LIBERTY http://urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/p054.htm
54:1.1 Of all the perplexing problems growing out of the Lucifer rebellion, none has occasioned more difficulty than the failure of immature evolutionary mortals to distinguish between true and false liberty.
54:1.2 True liberty is the quest of the ages and the reward of evolutionary progress. False liberty is the subtle deception of the error of time and the evil of space. Enduring liberty is predicated on the reality of justice—intelligence, maturity, fraternity, and equity.
54:1.3 Liberty is a self-destroying technique of cosmic existence when its motivation is unintelligent, unconditioned, and uncontrolled. True liberty is progressively related to reality and is ever regardful of social equity, cosmic fairness, universe fraternity, and divine obligations.
54:1.4 Liberty is suicidal when divorced from material justice, intellectual fairness, social forbearance, moral duty, and spiritual values. Liberty is nonexistent apart from cosmic reality, and all personality reality is proportional to its divinity relationships.
54:1.5 Unbridled self-will and unregulated self-expression equal unmitigated selfishness, the acme of ungodliness. Liberty without the associated and ever-increasing conquest of self is a figment of egoistic mortal imagination. Self-motivated liberty is a conceptual illusion, a cruel deception. License masquerading in the garments of liberty is the forerunner of abject bondage.
54:1.6 True liberty is the associate of genuine self-respect; false liberty is the consort of self-admiration. True liberty is the fruit of self-control; false liberty, the assumption of self-assertion. Self-control leads to altruistic service; self-admiration tends towards the exploitation of others for the selfish aggrandizement of such a mistaken individual as is willing to sacrifice righteous attainment for the sake of possessing unjust power over his fellow beings.
54:1.7 Even wisdom is divine and safe only when it is cosmic in scope and spiritual in motivation.
54:1.8 There is no error greater than that species of self-deception which leads intelligent beings to crave the exercise of power over other beings for the purpose of depriving these persons of their natural liberties. The golden rule of human fairness cries out against all such fraud, unfairness, selfishness, and unrighteousness. Only true and genuine liberty is compatible with the reign of love and the ministry of mercy.
54:1.9 How dare the self-willed creature encroach upon the rights of his fellows in the name of personal liberty when the Supreme Rulers of the universe stand back in merciful respect for these prerogatives of will and potentials of personality! No being, in the exercise of his supposed personal liberty, has a right to deprive any other being of those privileges of existence conferred by the Creators and duly respected by all their loyal associates, subordinates, and subjects.
54:1.10 Evolutionary man may have to contend for his material liberties with tyrants and oppressors on a world of sin and iniquity or during the early times of a primitive evolving sphere, but not so on the morontia worlds or on the spirit spheres. War is the heritage of early evolutionary man, but on worlds of normal advancing civilization physical combat as a technique of adjusting racial misunderstandings has long since fallen into disrepute.
Richard Hoagland claims that there are three competing factions within NASA...the Nazis, Masons, and the Magicians. Are these the three major competing factions on Earth...and in the Solar System? Are the Magicians really the Vatican? Are each of these factions doing business with the Reptilians and Greys? Or...are each of these factions really doing business FOR the Reptilians and Greys? Is there a significant and major human faction on Earth which is completely independent of the Reptilians and Greys? Is it really possible to do business in this Solar System without doing business with the Reptilians and Greys?
Hear ye! Hear ye! Oye! Oye! The first post of this thread is an expression of intent of a faction who seeks Human Sovereignty. This faction may only contain one person at this point...but it will grow. I invite the Nazis, Masons, and the Vatican to join this faction. I invite the Reptilians and Greys to respect the sovereignty of the Human Race...and to interact with us in a non-invasive and non-dictatorial manner. Reptilians and Greys...you may find this new arrangement to ultimately be in your best interest. I seek the greater good for All Races...including the Reptilians and Greys. Things seem historically and presently to be highly irrational...and generally out of control. I call upon the Universal Powers That Be to facilitate such a development as is described in the first post of this thread.
If this sort of thing is already in the works...so be it. Again...this thread is more of an exercise than anything...especially due to the fact that inside information is just that...inside information. :zip: I'm just trying to figure out what the hell is going on :shocked:...and then respond responsibly. There is obviously a learning curve.
I'm still interested in comments regarding the ownership and governance of the solar system. I'm looking for both positive and negative comments. The first post seems as though it might be a workable and desirable goal...but it's just a sparkle in my eye at this point. It's an old idea...and a new idea...all in one. I really need more input in order to properly evaluate the editorial slant of this thread. Help!
What are the theological implications and ramifications of 'The United States of the Solar System'? What are the theological implications and ramifications of Constructive Competition? What are the theological implications and ramifications of Positive Response Ability? What are the theological implications and ramifications of Constitutional Responsible Freedom? To me...all of the above are interwoven into a very flexible yet durable fabric.
I'm serious. If the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights were treated as the canonical texts of a non-theocratic union of spirituality and state...what would this mean to religious and spiritual people? I wish to enhance and strengthen an ethical spiritual life...which brings the people of the world together in a unified diversity...where war and hatred becomes obsolete.
This is uncharted territory for me...and I'm not really sure how to proceed. Or perhaps I shouldn't proceed. What do you think?
OK...is there a rival proposal to the one I have presented in the first thread? There seems to be no interest in my proposal...so what is your proposal? The water's warm. Come-on in...
What did you think about Jordan Maxwell's recent Camelot interview? How did his pessemistic verdict relate to my desire to form a United States of the Solar System? I'm really a mixture of hope and despair. I don't see any magic solutions. I really think that for most of the people of the world...life will be difficult for a long, long time. I really do think that my proposed solution will eventually triumph...not because I'm promoting it...but because it's really a pre-existing 2+2=4 type of solution. Alex Collier indicated in 1995 that the Andromedans communicated with him that a one-world government should be based on the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. John F. Kennedy, Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan, Ron Paul, Bill Cooper, Alex Jones, et al have promoted the Constitution for a long, long time. I didn't draft the documents in the first post. I'm simply a repeater of great ideas. I don't know what else to do. I just feel like we are at the end of our rope...and that we need to positively reinforce that which is tried and true...and which actually works! I could be very wrong...so please give this thread some deep thought.
At this point...I'd like to see the continued revealing of that which has been hidden. I hope that we will be forgiving of those who have done wrong...but that we will never forget...so as to not repeat the same mistakes over and over again. I still like the idea of some kind of amnesty for full disclosure, full cooperation, and reasonable restitution. I tend to think that everyone and everything is a mixture of good and evil...almost without exception. Most of us may have been as bad as the bad-guys if we had been in their shoes...maybe even worse.
I'm feeling really close to the truth...yet really far away. I'm thinking that Sirius is at the center of everything...yet I'm not sure exactly how.
Could it be that the God of This World is a reptilian-possessed androgynous black human alien from Sirius who heads Giza Intelligence, the Secret Space Program, and the Deep Underground Military Bases...and who is the real Black Pope? Could the Ark of the Covenant be the UFO which brought us here from Sirius along with technology obtained from Draconian-demons in exchange for allowing the Draconians to possess the elite-humans? Is this solar system really part of the Siran solar system? Is our sun really Sirius C? Is the ancient depiction of three suns really Sirius A, Sirius B, and Sirius C? Are the tall greys from Sirius, really just human beings? Did we all come from Sirius? Is there a stargate between this solar system and Sirius? Is all of the cr@p we have been in for millions of years really a Sirian civil war? Are we all different factions of Sirians? Would my pet project of The United States of the Solar System really have to apply to Sirius as well? Is Sirius the All Seeing Eye at the top of the pyramid? Is Sunday really Sun God Day? Is this sun really Sirius? Is the Roman Catholic Church all about Sirius? Are the Masons all about Sirius? Are the occultists all about Sirius? Is the layout of Washington D.C. all about Sirius? Is the Sirian Theocratic System really the Universal Church aka The Holy Roman Empire aka the New World Order?
Are Sirius A, B, C...and all planets and moons in the Sirius Solar Sytem somehow linked to our Solar System? Are we all from Sirius? Are Draconian Demons the real problem? Did some of us make deals with the Dracs? Do we now have hell to pay? Are there various factions of Humans living throughout these solar systems? If the Dracs decided to leave us alone or were removed...and if the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights were applied to Sirius and our Solar System...would this solve most of the major problems? Are we dealing with a Human Civil War throughout Sirius and our Solar System? How does Giza Intelligence fit into all of this? The more I try to think about all of this...the less I seem to know.
If the Secret Space Program, Deep Underground Military Bases, Leviton Trains, etc. were under the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights in the context of a completely reformed and purified United Nations...and properly supervised by We the People...I wouldn't have a problem with them. But I'm sensing some very dark things connected with them presently.
Is there hope for the Dracs...or are they way past the point of no return? Can they be reformed? Can they peacefully coexist with us under Constitutional Responsible Freedom? They are supposed to be very smart. Why would this be a problem to them? I don't get what's going on in this universe. It seems like a very bad nightmare. I get the feeling that things are bad everywhere...not just here.
I have been making comments to Lucifer...but perhaps they need to be addressed to the Draconians. The Draconians are Lucifer's boss...right? What's it going to take Lord Draco? How deep are we into this New World Order Theocracy? Why does it have to be this way? What's the history of this madness? Can't we work something out which doesn't involve enslavement and extermination? Why can't we rule ourselves...and then deal with you in a reasonable manner. Why does everything seem to involve submission, obedience, worship, sacrifice, war, force, heirarchy, regimentation, deception, atrocity, etc, etc. Am I wrong...Lord Draco? What the hell is going on?
Why isn't the governance of this solar system one of the most important issues? You may not agree with my proposed solution...so what is your solution? I'm not fishing for approval...just input...both positive and negative. It's not really my solution either. I'm just promoting pre-existing documents and videos in a unique manner. Why re-invent the wheel?
Once more...Dracs...why can't this proposal be accepted by you? I can understand business deals...but I can't understand the indescribable cruelty, domination, and deception you have heaped upon the Human Race. Is this payback for past wars and atrocities, etc? If so...when is enough...enough? Why not leave us alone...and allow us to rule ourselves...and then cut business deals with us which don't involve the enslavement, extermination, and domination of the Human Race? If what I'm hearing about you is true...all of this cr@p is utterly insane. But everyone involved is supposed to be oh so very, very smart...so much smarter than us stupid mortal peons. Once again...what the hell is going on here? Speak to me Lord Draco!!! I don't bite...but perhaps you do!!!! I won't bite your head off...if you promise not to bite my head off!!!! Oh I forgot...you Dracs don't negotiate...you just dictate...right? The Universal Church is a Draconian Theocracy...right Lord Draco? Why can't you accept Constitutional Responsible Freedom...and then use your military might to make certain that tyranny never rears it's ugly head again...anywhere in the Universe? Wouldn't this ultimately be in everyone's best interest...including yours? The ball's in your court...Lord Draco.
The Universe is Watching.
Here is a link from another thread...posted by eleni...which is pertinent to this thread: http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:_RZhCsbJQ58J:illuminati-news.com/Word/Betweenthedevilandtheincomingrock.doc+betweenthedevilandtheincomingrock.doc&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari I found this excerpt to be quite startling:
"Governance, as opposed to security, appears to not have been a major issue from the ’79 meeting to the present. The emerging picture concerning governance painted by informant words indicates that the USG continued business as usual both vertically – from the executive apex of the presidency, through its federal departments and agencies, to the state governments in the union – and horizontally – the foreign policy apparatus of the USG continued functioning as expected through its State and Defense departments. What did change was the sense of constituent security – that is, USG had to formally contend with the presence of two Anunnaki camps in conflict with one another, and the additional requirement of dealing with both. The meaning of security also appears to have undergone a subtle, yet quite real metamorphosis. We will briefly discuss this transformation below.
"It is evident from the literature (Good 1988, 1993; 1996, 1999; Maccabee 2000; Dolan 2000; Bryant 2002; Marrs 1998; Salla 2006; Corso 1997) that there is considerable belief based on evidence – some of questionable reliability, and some on verifiable validity – that the USG is involved in a massive cover up of anything from the existence of aliens, alien technologies, technology transfers to the private sector and more. While the focus of this essay is only on Anunnaki affairs and their impact on Earth governance, internal security, near Earth space security and Anunnaki inter-clan conflict, informants have also provided some information on contacts with “aliens” from outside the solar system (e.g., the Angleton tapes and the SERPA TS/SCI referred to by Collins and Doty 2005). This appears to reflect a reframing of how USG views the Anunnaki vis-ā-vis “the real aliens” (Six 2005). Our current hypothesis is that Anunnaki are currently viewed as “ancestors, not really aliens, but more like people who are like us, probably because they were here before the human race appeared on Earth through them” (Six 2005). This makes sense to us, since we were asked more than once to clarify our questions regarding “aliens” from the “incoming”. Is it that at present lead agencies regard this as a “local” event requiring a “local event response set”? It would seem so. This worldview on Anunnaki presence on Earth would also fit in with the seeming working definition of “those who are here and those from the incoming” as a “local problem” (Six 2005; Eight 2005).
"How, then, has the issue of governance been affected by the double Anunnaki presence since the ’79 meeting? One of the seeming results of the formalized infrastructure specific to this situation is the insulation of the White House from the appearance of real access to UFO information. Two examples of this approach are the handling of the Rockefeller initiative during the Clinton administration (i.e., the involvement of assets said to be with CIA at the time and the White House deft use of UFO/alien humor) in deflecting one of the most delicate exopolitical crisis faced by President Clinton; the other is the style and tenor used by the Bush-43 administration: silence. The Anunnaki seem to have forced the USG into a space security structure responsive to two exopolitical constituencies. This is reflected “in the way things get handled,” said Informant Eight. “Looks like everything political is handled by the [National Space] Council and the Vice President as chair. This is where the two tracks originate. One umbrella for TS/SCIs handling the incoming, another umbrella for TS/SCI dealing with those here, and the twain shall never meet. NGA looks like it works with both tracks, but it really is controlled by the other czar for space security. This is one of the most secret functions, “cause from what I can tell, this person is the Executive Officer of the whole space security apparatus” (Eight 2005)."
Once again...this thread is an experiment...to stimulate thought. To me...presently...it is a sort of a line in the sand. But it is not set in concrete. Besides...it's not up to me anyway. I'm just living in a make believe world of 'what if?' What if the governance of the Solar System were up to you? What would you decide to do?
Solar System governance is a central issue...if not The Issue. It is very, very important. Please give the subject some very deep thought. I'm still wishing to have a conversation (pick a fight) regarding the governance of this solar system. Come on...let's go.
I have a fascination regarding cathedrals and pipe-organs. The whole temple and worship concept goes way back into antiquity. Lucifer was supposedly the chief musician in 'heaven'. If 'heaven' is really the Pleiades...perhaps there were cathedrals and pipe organs in the Pleiades...and Lucifer brought the whole theological concept...including temples, cathedrals, pipe-organs, and worship...from the Pleiades to Aldebaran...then to Sirius...and finally to Earth. As above...so below. I guess I'm seeing two rival 'gods' leading a civil war. Are the Annunaki and Dracs mercenary interdimensional warriors and laborers? Was the Pleiadian 'god' instrumental in the destruction of Atlantis? Did the Luciferian 'god' take the Atlantian civilization underground? Is this Giza Intelligence? Are there underground mansions, cathedrals, libraries, and museums...combined with military bases and stargate temples? Does Lucifer (or equivalent) possess the ability to end most life on Earth through 'Earth Changes'? Is alien technology really ancient Pleiadian technology? I'm beginning to think so. The exact composition and motivations of the various secret factions are obviously unknown. My guess is that there may be three major factions...two theocratic (one Pleiadian and one Aldebaran Luciferian)...and one Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom faction.
Hitler may very well have been a regular visitor to this underground or inner Earth realm. This may also be true for the Popes. I don't know. This is all just wild speculation. But studying the Nazi phenomenon may be the real window into what is going on.
When Henry Kissenger was learning about the 'alien presence' he worked night and day...and wouldn't communicate with anyone...not even his wife. What he was learning must have been devastating. It couldn't have been good. Notice that certain key people, such as Henry Kissinger and Zbigniew Brzezinski (both Jason Scholar study directors)...who presumably know the complete story...quietly direct the Presidents...administration after administration. The Presidents presumably do not know the complete story...with the possible exception of George H.W. Bush.
Once again...I just want the secrecy to end...I want all hard core regressive beings (human and non-human) to leave this solar system...and I want the solar system to be based upon namaste constitutional responsible freedom. That should correct most of the major ills...regardless of who is presently running things or which et's are good or bad. If this works...other star systems might try doing this as well. Is this too much to ask?
Can't we at least discuss various possibilites regarding the ownership and governance of this solar system? Aren't these two of the most important issues we could possibly consider? Who owns Solar System, Inc? Who is the CEO? Is the CEO a Nine Foot Tall Draconian Reptilian? Who are the Board of Directors? Who are the Shareholders?
We 'pale faces' acted as though the Native Americans didn't own anything. Native Homeland Security has been doing a lousy job since 1492. Is the concept of private property a bad concept? Is working for just compensation a bad concept? Is communism a good concept? Should a lazy and stupid person live just as well as a hard working and wise person?
My economic ideal is a stratified middle class...without extreme poverty or extreme wealth. If capitalism were truly responsible and well refereed...I think this would be the case. Corrupt and irresponsible capitalism is killing us. Baseball and football games have rules and referees. Why does capitalism always seem like the wild, wild west...dominated by outlaws? Where's the damn sheriff? Oh I forgot...he got paid-off.
I'm liking the concept of the first post more and more...even if there are no aliens. I'm actually going to try to back away from the alien/spirit stuff for awhile...and concentrate on business and world news. I've started watching Bloomberg and BBC...and I'm reading the Wall Street Journal again. These are important sources to consider if we really want a non-corrupt, non-theocratic united world. I don't want to be alarmist or paranoid. I just want to be a productive part of a responsible, peaceful, and free humanity.
I will continue to issue a challenge regarding determining who really owns the Solar System...who really is in charge...and regarding the best form of governance. These are very, very important issues...yet few seem to care.
Jordan Maxwell may be right...judging from the participation on this thread. You know what I'm talking about.
There is something attractive about the the names United Nations and New World Order. They seem to imply a world at peace, with liberty and justice for all! Sigh! But sometimes things are not what they seem. Sometimes reality is exactly the opposite of that which is advertised. The UN and NWO are often described as Not being in the best interest of the United States and the principles upon which our country was founded, namely Freedom and Responsibility. A centralized dictatorship is often hinted at, with the United States at the back of the bus!
Allow me to suggest a True World Order (TWO). You guessed it, there are TWO components to the True World Order:
1. The Constitution of the United States of America.
2. The Red Letter Teachings of Jesus Christ.
And again, you guessed it, there are TWO underlying unifying principles:
1. Freedom.
2. Responsibility.
The True World Order would be, and should be already, implemented here in the United States, and by example, not by coercion, the TWO would theoretically spread throughout the whole world! TWO would be a humble-minimalist-decentralized world order rather than an arrogant-theocratic-centralized world order.
Including the Red Letter Teachings of Jesus Christ is not a violation of the Establishment Clause of the Constitution of the United States. Jesus does not call for the establishment of a literal traditional church. Just the opposite! Jesus calls for Christ-likeness, not ritual-traditional Churchianity. Respecting the words of Jesus, especially regarding the principles of freedom and responsibility, are a supreme safeguard against the establishment of any state church!
This country and our world has yet to see the responsible implementation of the Constitution of the United States and the Red Letter Teachings of Jesus. They are TWO sides of the same gold coin, a gold standard, and allow for a responsible pluralism. Minimalist Government and Religion. What a concept! The idea is 2,000 years old. The idea is so old that it's new! TWO is #1! Go 2 4 Freedom!
class...Class...CLASS...SHUDDUP! Thank-you!
Question: When does church + state + people = a bad thing?
Answer:
Corrupt Centralized Coercive Government (Constitution Ignored!)
+ Corrupt Centralized Coercive Church (Teachings of Jesus Ignored!)
+ Oppressed Irresponsible Citizens (Constitution and Teachings of Jesus Ignored!)
= HELL ON EARTH!
Question: When does church + state + people = a good thing?
Answer:
Non-Corrupt Decentralized Minimalist Government (Constitution Followed!)
+ Non-Corrupt Decentralized Minimalist Church (Teachings of Jesus Followed!)
+ Free Responsible Citizens (Constitution and Teachings of Jesus Followed!)
= HEAVEN ON EARTH!
Do the Math!
Any Questions?
Lesson Learned?
Class Dismissed!!
I just want to add that I desire to retain the best of all religions and governmental systems...in an organized decentralism...which gives the power to the people...rather than to a central exalted committee, person, or god. I appreciate the efforts of leaders throughout all of universal history...who have tried to do the right thing. I'd just like to see Planet Earth make a logical and orderly transition into a responsible and free united world. I do not wish to demonize anyone...even if they have made terrible mistakes or have become incredibly corrupt. We just need to move on to bigger and better things. All of us are part of the problem. All of us are part of the solution.
We Are The World
Michael Jackson, Lionel Richie, Cindy Lauper, Steve Wonder, Bruce Springsteen
There comes a time when we heed a certain call
When the world must come together as one
There are people dying
And its time to lend a hand to life
The greatest gift of all
We cant go on pretending day by day
That someone, somewhere will soon make a change
We are all part of gods great big family
And the truth, you know, love is all we need
We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So lets start giving
Theres a choice were making
Were saving our own lives
Its true well make a better day
Just you and me
Send them your heart
So theyll know that someone cares
And their lives will be stronger and free
As God has shown us by turning stones to bread
So we all must lend a helping hand
We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So lets start giving
There's a choice were making
Were saving our own livesl
Its true well make a better day
Just you and me
When youre down and out, there seems no hope at all
But if you just believe theres no way we can fall
Well, well, well, well let us realize that a change can only come
When we stand together as one
We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So lets start giving
Theres a choice were making
Were saving our own lives
Its true well make a better day
Just you and me
We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So lets start giving
Theres a choice were making
Were saving our own lives
Its true well make a better day
Just you and me
We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So lets start giving
Theres a choice were making
Were saving our own lives
Its true well make a better day
Just you and me
Alright let me hear ya
We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So lets start giving
Theres a choice were making
Were saving our own lives
Its true well make a brighter day
Just you and me
We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So lets start giving
Theres a choice were making
Were saving our own lives
Its true well make a better day
Just you and me
We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So lets start giving
Theres a choice were making
Were saving our own lives
Its true well make a better day
Just you and me
We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So lets start giving
Theres a choice were making
Were saving our own lives
Its true well make a better day
Just you and me
We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So lets start giving
Theres a choice were making
Were saving our own lives
Its true well make a better day
Just you and me
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