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    Gulf Oil Platform Explosion and Spill

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    Post  spiritwarrior Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:05 pm

    copied over from the "capped piper" on gulf thread on pa2

    Posted on http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6734#comment-678366


    I can contribute nothing to THE OIL DRUM regarding the efforts to
    contain and kill this well from a technical standpoint. I am a BP
    employee at the Houston office and I am not a spokesman for BP in any
    sense. My responsibilities are entirely in support of BP's domestic
    onshore operations and I can offer no special insights from the Houston
    crisis rooms. In fact, those floors in the Houston office are restricted
    to the BP employees responsible for this operation and the
    representatives from partner companies, and of course, the Coast Guard
    and other government employees. Occasionally, the press is permitted
    some access, but it is a 24/7 operation and there is little time to
    conduct tours for the merely curious.

    Most BP employees are like me. We have no inside information. We receive
    emails from upper management, but those are promptly leaked to the
    media, and BP knows it. Our best information comes from Thad Allen's
    briefings and THE OIL DRUM.

    What I can report is that this disaster has had a profound impact on BP
    internally. What is not really publicly understood is how BP responded
    to it. From the start it was both enormous and completely inept.

    A crisis center in the Houston offices already existed. It's routinely
    used as tropical systems develop, exists (at least in theory) for
    disasters such as this. BP spudded a relief well as fast as could
    possibly be done. All the permits were secured and a rig brought into
    place even as BP was still assessing the BOP and the fallen riser. That
    was one of the few things that BP did which couldn't have been done
    better.

    Everything else was some sort of a "throw everything including the
    kitchen sink" type of response. Money was not the issue. Almost from the
    start BP recognized the need to keep the spill as small as possible. It
    also recognized the need for a coastal presence and response. The
    problem is that BP had no idea how to do any of this. BP managers and
    executives were deployed to be liaisons to the county and parish
    governments and to their Coast Guard counterparts. Temporary offices,
    computers, equipment were all purchased immediately and cost was no
    object.

    The problem is that BP has no navy. It has no mobile cafeterias to feed
    beach patrols. It had no claims adjusters. Everything offshore is
    equipment provided by subcontractors. BP simply had no way to be the
    private equivalent of FEMA, only better. And, it had NO idea how to
    handle the public relations aspect of this. It assigned that duty to
    Doug Suttles, who tried to do the best he could, but really couldn't
    satisfy the public demand for information.

    BP continues to shovel money out by the bucketload in Louisiana. Fraud
    is a huge problem, as is the fact that many making claims have not paid
    any income tax or even filed a tax return. If BP pays the tax cheaters
    under the table, it will be engaging in illegal behavior and in further
    trouble than it is now.

    The situation obviously became a public relations disaster early on. BP
    quickly became the villain as it became political. President Obama could
    hardly have said "British Petroleum" with more sneer in his voice. Tony
    Hayward had no clue that he was going to be the scapegoat no matter
    what. Everything he said and did was used against him in the media. He
    never had a chance.

    Kent Wells has done a spectacular job in his technical updates. He may
    be the one bright spot in a sea of public relations gaffes.

    So what does this mean to the BP employees like me? We have been advised
    in official communications to keep a low profile for our own safety.
    It's not really necessary. Except for one Code Pink nonsense, it's been
    pretty quiet at the BP campus. Whenever one of Obama administration,
    like Janet Incompetano, wants to visit and make a photo op, a lot of
    security and media show up and get it in the way, but mostly it is not a
    big deal except for increased security.

    But what does this mean to me and the thousands of other BP employees
    not directly involved with the well or its cleanup? Nobody cares,
    including BP.

    Most of our managers are deployed to the cleanup. The beach patrols are a
    pathetic joke. Because of rules that require that the workers only work
    20 minutes per hour, and the supposed health risks of feeding them at
    the beach, most of their team is spent on going to a from the assembly
    point for lunch or at the start and end of the day. Some of the workers
    are hookers who are making deals to do something entirely different
    during the lunch break. The company is spending a fortune on protective
    gear as if they are looking for plutonium, not some sandy tarballs.

    BP employees know all of this. They know their company will be on the
    hook for years and the prime suspect in any tarball found anywhere in
    the world. Trial lawyers see a feast and litigation will be endless.

    Some of the younger employees were drawn to BP because of its glossy PR
    rebranding to be "Beyond Petroleum." How disillusioned are those guys
    now? What kind of a future do they face at BP? A company flush with
    money, or one that is continuing to settle claims for a decade? How many
    new hires would chose BP over Chevron if the job offers were the same?

    BP is easily the most hated company in America today. Does anyone think
    Obama will allow a new drilling permit for a BP deepwater well during
    the rest of his term?

    BP is obviously going to sell some of its US properties to Apache very
    soon. How will that affect current employees? Layoffs?

    BP had a huge budget for drilling in the Gulf this year and next. What
    happens to that, and where do the employees involved in that effort go?

    Nobody really has the answer to these questions, but the BP employees
    are talking about them. Our President is determined to kill the offshore
    oil and gas industry and he will probably succeed. It's clear he's
    going to use BP as his personal ATM to spend dollars selectively in the
    Gulf states he is destroying with his moratorium.

    BP may be destroyed as an operator in America. Many people will be happy
    about that, although it's going to have negative economic
    ramifications.

    There are some extremely qualified and intelligent employees in BP. They
    have some legitimate concerns about the future of the company. They
    worry about how secure their retirement is. I suspect the headhunters
    know this and I think BP is incapable of understanding it. This spill
    has sucked all the energy out of the Houston office and it might not
    come back for years.

    Most of the people I know in the Houston office are either looking for
    new jobs or strongly considering it for the first time. A brain drain is
    inevitable.

    I'm not seeking any sympathy for BP's employees. Despite the national
    economy and the upcoming offshore catastrophe engineered by the Obama
    moratorium, the job market is strong locally. It's just my opinion that
    BP is likely to lose 30% or more of its experienced employees within the
    next few months. It's an aspect of this disaster that hasn't been
    discussed much, and it's not an insignificant consequence of this oil
    disaster.
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    Post  mudra Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:58 pm

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    Post  mudra Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:15 pm

    Fools' Errand: Effort to Shut Down Gulf Well is Failing
    Fri, 07/16/2010
    - 17:48
    by:
    Dave Lindorff

    http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/140

    You can learn more about who Dave Lindorff is here :
    http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/13

    The Coast Guard conceded Friday that the pressure has not built up as hoped in the blown-out BP Deepwater Horizon well in the Gulf of Mexico, raising concerns that the pipe that runs from the surface down through the bore to the oil reservoir 13,000 feet below the sea bottom has lost its integrity, and is allowing oil under high pressure to leak out into the surrounding concrete and rock outside the pipe, where it can and likely will make its way to the waters above.

    There is visual evidence that this is happening. While it has not been mentioned in news reports, one view taken of the sea floor taken by a videocam on the Hos ROV 1, one of the remote robot submersibles monitoring the wellhead, and on display on the BP website, beginning at about 2:48:40 Central Time showed clouds of muddy looking water suddenly spring up and begin obscuring the view of the sea floor. Some of the billowing material was light colored, and could be mud pushed up by leaking methane gas. Some looked decidedly dark brown, like the oil that has been seen coming from the top of the blowout preventer (BOP).

    A second rover, the Viking Poseidon ROV 1, which was not included in the live cams displayed from BP’s public access site, but which can be seen live here, also showed a large cloud of churning brown material billowing up from the sea floor beginning at 3:06:00 Central Time. (A number of other camera views show a lot of bubbles rising through the water, which officials claim is "normal" in ocean, though it wasn't happening earlier in the company's undersea videos, suggesting these bubbles may be leaking methane gas.)

    If either of these video images are in fact oil or gas coming out of the ground around the wellhead, it would mean that the liner has been seriously breached somewhere below ground, and that there is no way to either stop the oil flow, or even collect it all from above the wellhead. That would certainly explain why the pressure at the stoppered wellhead has leveled off at about 6700 psi. That's well below the "8000-9000 psi" that until today was what the government and BP said would be full pressure, and is even below the new, improved target mentioned by retired Adm. Thad Allen, who now says a more modest 7500 psi would be okay. (Allen, trying to explain the low readings at the wellhead, claims that the underground pressure in the reservoir, 13,000 feet below the sea floor, could be lower by 15-20%, because of the 1-2 million barrels that have already escaped. His claim is patently absurd. This is a reservoir said to contain over 1 billion barrels of oil! Two million barrels would be just 0.2% of that amount. Furthermore, the reservoir isn't a rigid container like an oil tank. Its pressure derives from the weight of the 2.5 miles of crust and mile of water sitting atop it, which will continue to press down with the same force however much oil remains in the deposit. There might be a slight decrease as oil comes out, but not by that amount.)

    The only hope of stopping this catastrophe would be the relief wells that have been drilled to within a few feet of the casing, several miles down below the surface of the earth.

    The failure of the effort to cap the well above the BOP, as I wrote earlier, was pretty well foreordained when the same Viking Poseidon ROV 1, a month ago, showed a video of oil blasting out of cracks in the sea floor around the BOP, already proving that the casing had been breached.

    It is possible that the pressure in the pipe was greater at that point, back on June 13, because the well opening, at the top of the BOP, was still crimped and holding back the gusher. Once that opening was cleared in preparation for installing the current cap, the oil was able to flow out more freely, which would have reduced the pressure on whatever leaks exist in the casing below ground.

    But now, for reasons that still elude me, the government has allowed BP to try to shut down the well at the top, allowing the pressure in the whole casing to rise precipitously, and it appears the inevitable has happened: the oil and gas is pushing out the breaches in the casing, and is likely expanding the openings, too, making the breach worse than before.

    The top of this blown out well should be opened up wide as soon as possible, and BP and the government should focus all efforts on those relief wells, and on trying to get this runaway well sealed at the bottom as soon as possible.

    Trying to shut things off at the top was a fool’s errand, and can only have been driven by a BP and White House PR effort to show that something is being done. However, some things shouldn’t be done, and this is one of those things. The idea that the government and BP knew that shutting down the top of the well could lead to disaster, and that they went ahead and did it, knowing that it would only provide temporary relief at best anyhow, is insanity.

    By the way, on Thursday I contacted both the BP and the government-run Unified Command press offices asking for an explanation as to how they could shut down the top of the well, when BP’s own cameras in June showed oil blowing out of cracks in the sea floor near the wellhead. Both offices promised to respond. To date, neither has.

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    Post  mudra Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:17 pm

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    Post  mudra Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:28 pm

    Acording to geologist Chris Landau BP blown out well should not be pressure tested

    http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=623930

    Mark Hafle, BP's senior drilling engineer testified to the MMS on May 28, 2010 that the well had lost integrity and that thousands of barrels of mud had been lost down this well during drilling. This meant that the formation integrity had blown out. Reports at the hearings in May also indicated that the LOW positive pressure tests on the day of the blowout on April 20, 2010 had passed but the negative pressure tests had failed, so the well was not properly sealed. This happened within a few hours of the blowout.

    The cement-casing structure is compromised. The well had ballooned out and THE FORMATION HAD BLOWN OUT, long before the blowout occurred.

    BP, do you not have a single geologist at your company that can tell you what that means?

    It means you can not seal this well. Pressure testing will only blow the cement casing structure to pieces, if it is not already gone.

    read more here : http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=623930

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    Post  newel Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:32 pm

    I can't find a video. I think it was posted earlier in this thread by anomalous cowherd. It was a video made in January of this year by a guy saying that glaciers melting would cause rigs to sink all over the world and powerful thunderstorms. I went through this whole thread for anomalous cowherd's posts and I couldn't find it. By the way, a LOT of the videos posted in this thread are now removed from youtube due to terms of use violation.
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    Post  newel Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:36 pm

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    Post  newel Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:40 pm

    metaw3 wrote:I can't find a video. I think it was posted earlier in this thread by anomalous cowherd. It was a video made in January of this year by a guy saying that glaciers melting would cause rigs to sink all over the world and powerful thunderstorms. I went through this whole thread for anomalous cowherd's posts and I couldn't find it. By the way, a LOT of the videos posted in this thread are now removed from youtube due to terms of use violation.

    Never mind. Got it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dGoi7qBU9E



    I searched Google for "a guy predicted oil rigs sinking" and it showed up first! :)



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    Post  mudra Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:50 pm

    metaw3 wrote:

    Did you actually watch all these silent videos of the well? What is this about? Why a dozen videos?

    Yes I did watch several of them metaw .
    You will see the first one starts at 3:46 on the 16/07/2010
    and the last one is around 5:35 same day.

    They constitute a recording of the live cam over an extensive period of time.

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    Post  Jenetta Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:56 pm




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    Post  newel Sat Jul 17, 2010 9:29 pm

    mudra wrote:
    Yes I did watch several of them metaw .
    You will see the first one starts at 3:46 on the 16/07/2010
    and the last one is around 5:35 same day.

    They constitute a recording of the live cam over an extensive period of time.

    Thank you mudra. I watched the first one at 3:46 like you said. I see a couple of bubbles bursting from the sea floor.

    I'm glad there is something else than the cams to investigate otherwise that would be the most boring cover up ever to follow on the Internet. Sleep
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    Post  mudra Sat Jul 17, 2010 9:56 pm

    metaw3 wrote:
    I'm glad there is something else than the cams to investigate otherwise that would be the most boring cover up ever to follow on the Internet. Sleep

    lol! metaw this is why we have music lounges so that we can listen to some music while watching these livecams.
    Actually as you go down the list I would say it's a bit more than bubbles that come out from the seafloor .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UY_Mq2yQHI

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    Post  newel Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:29 pm

    Everything is ok... Band

    Dancing on the beach in Alabama, July 15th:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq7XTJpLOpo

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    Post  mudra Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:35 pm

    metaw3 wrote:Everything is ok... Band

    Dancing on the beach in Alabama, July 15th:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq7XTJpLOpo


    Best news I have seen on this thread so far cheers
    Thubs Up

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    Post  newel Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:46 pm

    Samples from the same beach where folks are dancing above:

    Water Tested – Toxic Levels of Oil – Sample Explodes!

    http://theintelhub.com/2010/07/17/water-tested-toxic-levels-of-oil-sample-exlodes/
    http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/shock-water-sample-exploded-when-chemist-tested-for-oil-most-likely-methane-or-corexit
    http://bpoilslick.blogspot.com/2010/07/gulf-spill-lab-tests-confirm-kids.html

    <object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="https://www.youtube.com/v/SekmdPCAQ0U&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xd0d0d0&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptAccess" value="always"></param><embed src="https://www.youtube.com/v/SekmdPCAQ0U&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xd0d0d0&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptAccess="always" width="640" height="385"></embed></object>



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    Post  newel Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:49 pm

    http://ushahidi.labucketbrigade.org/reports/view/1453

    rain burned my arm, caused vomiting

    I got caught in a small rain shower while in the garden. I ran indoors and noticed that a large drop on my arm was starting to sting. I immediately took a shower. That night I woke up 3am t with nausea and vomited for an hour. I wouldn't have thought chemical exposure, but a friend caught in a rain event while mowing grass that same afternoon (Wed, July 14th) also became ill with a very sore throat. He went to a clinic and was told there has been a "throat virus" circulating. All this happened in Tuscaloosa County, Alabama.
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    Post  burgundia Sun Jul 18, 2010 4:36 am

    Can you imagine how animals are suffering in those regions now? The rain is also falling on them...and they can't take a shower. And most of them drink that water.
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    Post  anomalous cowherd Sun Jul 18, 2010 4:55 am

    I'm a bit confused, how did this become 8 pages when it was 70 plus? Its okay, I am easily confused in matters of the net...

    I've been looking at Dr Ott's petition on her site and wonder if it is only valid for Americans in the US to sign ? uh oh if it is, not a lot of interest I'm afraid , if my contacts are anything to go on. Many seem to think it doesn't affect them.... yet. By then it will be bend-over-and-kiss-your-fundament-goodbye time.

    Does anyone have any experience with the avaaz org? I have written a proposal and will be interested to see if they take up this issue.
    http://www.avaaz.org/en/about.php

    We have collected so much information but seemingly not enough outrage, so I am trying to find ways to effectively spread the word beyond the already informed, it's really difficult though.

    It's like living among a nation of zombies at times, everyone loves the feeding trough . They don't realize the rations will be affected.
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    Post  Floyd Sun Jul 18, 2010 5:46 am

    Ive signed a couple of petitions ive been sent by friends,,dont know much about avaaz. You may find that they will not to take up certain causes though,if you know what I mean. Worth a try though AC
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    Post  anomalous cowherd Sun Jul 18, 2010 6:08 am

    time for a hollow laugh, irrelevant and irreverent, http://video.godlikeproductions.com/video/Obama_Bumper_Sticker_Removal_Kit_feat_Brad_Stine

    and yes Floyd, been around the block on all this petition site stuff, it would be worth signing Dr Ott's if only to show support to her, but that one will no doubt need more numbers than she will reach .
    I am interested to see how and whether avaaz responds, that always speaks volumes .
    BTW I had an interesting dialogue with a Greenpeace street campaigner the other day, she was begging me for more information, poor baby. I had to go easy on her though, enough is enough in one dose.
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    Post  lawlessline Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:52 am

    Just a thought, but has any body noticed that since they have capped the well, earth quake intesity has gone up and the number of EQs? Was the reason a valve for internal pressure? One way of making out that the vibrational changes are not happening. Or atleast trying to hide the changes? Because they sure are changing.

    Just a thought.

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    Post  newel Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:07 am

    anomalous cowherd wrote:I'm a bit confused, how did this become 8 pages when it was 70 plus? Its okay, I am easily confused in matters of the net...

    We have a problem here. I went through all the 70+ pages last evening and they were there.
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    Post  mudra Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:17 am

    lawlessline wrote:Just a thought, but has any body noticed that since they have capped the well, earth quake intesity has gone up and the number of EQs? Was the reason a valve for internal pressure? One way of making out that the vibrational changes are not happening. Or atleast trying to hide the changes? Because they sure are changing.

    Just a thought.

    t

    I only got one warning of an eathquake in New Britain 7,2 magnitude .
    Has there been more ?

    Anyone gone over my thread :" Earth expanding" ?
    http://www.themistsofavalon.net/news-views-f9/is-our-earth-growing-and-expanding-t628.htm

    It would explain quite a lot about earthquakes , sea levels rising etc...

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    Post  mudra Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:26 am

    Robbing New Orleans to Pay for BP's Spill
    — By Mac McClelland| Wed Jul. 14, 2010


    http://motherjones.com/rights-stuff/2010/07/katrina-recovery-new-orleans-BP

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    The New Orleans house I'm sitting in at the moment is finished with meticulous detail: cypress crown molding and trim, recycled loblolly-pine posts, Art-Deco Oriental rugs. To my left, there's a bathroom with wood wainscoting and a refinished 100-year-old claw-foot bathtub on a decorative-tile-lined platform. Almost exactly five years ago, all of this was submerged by toxic floodwaters. Its restoration was made possible by two years of sweat, occasional tears, and a Road Home grant from the Louisiana Recovery Authority.

    Now a supplemental appropriations bill that passed the House earlier this month would take $400 million from post-Katrina recovery programs like Road Home in order to fund other projects, including $304 million for Deepwater Horizon-related remediation and investigation. To some Louisiana residents, using any taxpayer money, much less hurricane-relief money, to clean up BP's oil just adds insult to injury. "Any provisions related to the spill should be paid for by the responsible party," says Monika Gerhart, director of policy and government relations for the Equity and Inclusion Campaign, a nonpartisan advocacy organization. "We're not yet recovered. So don't take our housing money."

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    Post  lawlessline Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:31 am

    mudra wrote:
    lawlessline wrote:Just a thought, but has any body noticed that since they have capped the well, earth quake intesity has gone up and the number of EQs? Was the reason a valve for internal pressure? One way of making out that the vibrational changes are not happening. Or atleast trying to hide the changes? Because they sure are changing.

    Just a thought.

    t

    I only got one warning of an eathquake in New Britain 7,2 magnitude .
    Has there been more ?

    Anyone gone over my thread :" Earth expanding" ?
    http://www.themistsofavalon.net/news-views-f9/is-our-earth-growing-and-expanding-t628.htm

    It would explain quite a lot about earthquakes , sea levels rising etc...

    Love Always
    mudra

    Inés,

    Will have a look at the thread. But for the EQs. if you go through USGS ENS you can set the magnetute rate to 3 as the lowest. Yes that means you get alot of emails, but it gives the idea of a global magnetude level. The intensity level has gone up since they capped the well. I must say as well that the number of EQs during the time when the spill was happening was very low. Their intesity was also low. It might be, ofcourse that I have had a problem with my email. Not that I know of. Just going on the info that I am recieving. This idea could be completely wrong.

    Would be interested on hearing anybody elase thoughts on that.

    As for the change from 70 pages etc, strnage one.

    Love to the mists,

    t

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