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Meteorite falls in Russia UFO Chelyabinsk 2013-02-15
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According to The Moscow News....Wonder what that's all about?
Zhirinovsky: no meteorites, it’s new US weapons test
by Aleksandras Budrys at 15/02/2013 11:54
The leader of Russia’s Liberal Democratic Party and vice speaker of the State Duma Vladimir Zhirinovsky accused on Friday the United States of testing new weapons over Russia immediately after reports of a meteorite explosion appeared.
“There have been no meteorites. It was a new American weapons test,” Zhirinovsky said.
“(US State Secretary) John Kerry tried warning (Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov) on Monday, but failed,” Zhirinovsky said, obviously referring to reports that Lavrov on a visit to Africa had failed to answer Kerry’s repeated phone calls.
http://themoscownews.com/russia/20130215/191238274/Zhirinovsky-no-meteorites-its-new-US-weapons-test.html
Talk about a conspiricy.
Zhirinovsky: no meteorites, it’s new US weapons test
by Aleksandras Budrys at 15/02/2013 11:54
The leader of Russia’s Liberal Democratic Party and vice speaker of the State Duma Vladimir Zhirinovsky accused on Friday the United States of testing new weapons over Russia immediately after reports of a meteorite explosion appeared.
“There have been no meteorites. It was a new American weapons test,” Zhirinovsky said.
“(US State Secretary) John Kerry tried warning (Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov) on Monday, but failed,” Zhirinovsky said, obviously referring to reports that Lavrov on a visit to Africa had failed to answer Kerry’s repeated phone calls.
http://themoscownews.com/russia/20130215/191238274/Zhirinovsky-no-meteorites-its-new-US-weapons-test.html
Talk about a conspiricy.
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Russian Meteor: Conspiracy Theorists Claim Meteorite Was Shot Down By Military Missile (VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/02/15/russian-meteor-conspiracy_n_2694031.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/did-russia-shoot-down-meteor.html
What a perfect time to "test" a weapon...and send a message on the tail of a Meteor...plausible deniability.
Of course when it enters the atmosphere it "breaks apart"....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability
What if it wasn't a meteor?
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/02/15/russian-meteor-conspiracy_n_2694031.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/did-russia-shoot-down-meteor.html
What a perfect time to "test" a weapon...and send a message on the tail of a Meteor...plausible deniability.
Of course when it enters the atmosphere it "breaks apart"....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability
What if it wasn't a meteor?
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Hmmm...noting in the first video I posted....stop it at :40 to :41
What would cause the trail of smoke to end and the meteorite to separate? Just asking....
Anybody have a clue how that works?
What would cause the trail of smoke to end and the meteorite to separate? Just asking....
Anybody have a clue how that works?
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And....What the heck is that white trail in the beginning of the video posted by Arvan33? It's not from the Meteorite...a chemtrail...a rocket launch?
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It seems meteorites and Russia are synonymous.
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THE MECHANISM LAUNDERING
The masking mechanism consists of several steps. Let's look at some of these
1. The "valid" and "eminent" scientists
Really, you've ever wondered what gives prestige to a scientist who adopt them and to speak in the name of science? But of course the "state," but of course the system of governance has established the status quo everywhere.
An easy answer would be that the scientist has validity because of his knowledge, but because I who speak to you am of the job, ie as a physicist who lived many, I assure you that knowledge is a sufficient but not absolutely necessary as one " eminent "scientist.
Then came the "scientists" from around the world and we were told that this is normal.
Wrong gentlemen, this is not something normal, because if it was normal, there would be no global doom.
What is indeed true that flaming meteors, sometimes exploding above the ground, but never had an explosion eclipsed the sunlight.
Note that no "reputable" scientist had first reported that fragments damaged.
They spoke only on the blast. So simple things concealed, since everyone would like to see direct a piece of the meteorite, but there was not.
Then of course, and can show us any stone from the Upper Katarachia Russia and telling us, "to the meteorite."
And one more thing
To convince us that nothing fell down, was told that if they left some fragments then due to conservation of momentum, it would change the course of the "meteorite", which did not happen.
This does not hold water because if the parts aposasthikan had very little mass compared to the main trunk, in fractions of seconds that elapsed between the first and second explosion, do not have time to change any course.
2. The local authorities
The Russian state in no time, took 20,000 thousand men combing the area searching and collecting what?
By blocking access to what in the world?
Did scrap the vehicle damaged the Earth's atmosphere and ignite?
3. The media
There is and was the come to see. To get the line, others say instead of others. Then, classic saying all the same poem. With the same words, and think a mind wrote the text that the global broadcast of the new lovebirds ( overcomes ( Again ( class.
TA DATA
Let's see what the data in yesterday's incident
1. Explosion was outside atmosphere destroyed the object and recorded by amateur astronomers.
That was the reason I initially told the Russians that missile hit the meteorite. But the Russians were not periptoai whatsoever to target the meteor. Not hit anything and it could not and mostly because there was no meteorite, but for those unfamiliar boat.
2. Within the denser layers of the atmosphere, the "object" exploded in front of the cameras and parts fell to the 'ground and were looking to the 20,000 men. Does not sound a lot but very strange one whole army looking pieces of "meteor"?
3. Almost instantaneously after a huge explosion size, sublimation trashes of the "unknown object" and nothing else dropped.
In the sky were two parallel lines, gas condensate, which made many to talk about UFO with two engines.
4. The Russians in the second official announcement, said nothing beat since it is impossible for human technology to lock a rapidly entering the atmosphere object.
Some of course also "valid and respected", said they saw the radar ...... because he came from the side of the sun, think and live in the screenplay with planes of WWII, where pilots loose direction from sunlight.
The masking mechanism consists of several steps. Let's look at some of these
1. The "valid" and "eminent" scientists
Really, you've ever wondered what gives prestige to a scientist who adopt them and to speak in the name of science? But of course the "state," but of course the system of governance has established the status quo everywhere.
An easy answer would be that the scientist has validity because of his knowledge, but because I who speak to you am of the job, ie as a physicist who lived many, I assure you that knowledge is a sufficient but not absolutely necessary as one " eminent "scientist.
Then came the "scientists" from around the world and we were told that this is normal.
Wrong gentlemen, this is not something normal, because if it was normal, there would be no global doom.
What is indeed true that flaming meteors, sometimes exploding above the ground, but never had an explosion eclipsed the sunlight.
Note that no "reputable" scientist had first reported that fragments damaged.
They spoke only on the blast. So simple things concealed, since everyone would like to see direct a piece of the meteorite, but there was not.
Then of course, and can show us any stone from the Upper Katarachia Russia and telling us, "to the meteorite."
And one more thing
To convince us that nothing fell down, was told that if they left some fragments then due to conservation of momentum, it would change the course of the "meteorite", which did not happen.
This does not hold water because if the parts aposasthikan had very little mass compared to the main trunk, in fractions of seconds that elapsed between the first and second explosion, do not have time to change any course.
2. The local authorities
The Russian state in no time, took 20,000 thousand men combing the area searching and collecting what?
By blocking access to what in the world?
Did scrap the vehicle damaged the Earth's atmosphere and ignite?
3. The media
There is and was the come to see. To get the line, others say instead of others. Then, classic saying all the same poem. With the same words, and think a mind wrote the text that the global broadcast of the new lovebirds ( overcomes ( Again ( class.
TA DATA
Let's see what the data in yesterday's incident
1. Explosion was outside atmosphere destroyed the object and recorded by amateur astronomers.
That was the reason I initially told the Russians that missile hit the meteorite. But the Russians were not periptoai whatsoever to target the meteor. Not hit anything and it could not and mostly because there was no meteorite, but for those unfamiliar boat.
2. Within the denser layers of the atmosphere, the "object" exploded in front of the cameras and parts fell to the 'ground and were looking to the 20,000 men. Does not sound a lot but very strange one whole army looking pieces of "meteor"?
3. Almost instantaneously after a huge explosion size, sublimation trashes of the "unknown object" and nothing else dropped.
In the sky were two parallel lines, gas condensate, which made many to talk about UFO with two engines.
4. The Russians in the second official announcement, said nothing beat since it is impossible for human technology to lock a rapidly entering the atmosphere object.
Some of course also "valid and respected", said they saw the radar ...... because he came from the side of the sun, think and live in the screenplay with planes of WWII, where pilots loose direction from sunlight.
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arvan33 wrote:THE MECHANISM LAUNDERING
The masking mechanism consists of several steps. Let's look at some of these
1. The "valid" and "eminent" scientists
Really, you've ever wondered what gives prestige to a scientist who adopt them and to speak in the name of science? But of course the "state," but of course the system of governance has established the status quo everywhere.
An easy answer would be that the scientist has validity because of his knowledge, but because I who speak to you am of the job, ie as a physicist who lived many, I assure you that knowledge is a sufficient but not absolutely necessary as one " eminent "scientist.
Then came the "scientists" from around the world and we were told that this is normal.
Wrong gentlemen, this is not something normal, because if it was normal, there would be no global doom.
What is indeed true that flaming meteors, sometimes exploding above the ground, but never had an explosion eclipsed the sunlight.
Note that no "reputable" scientist had first reported that fragments damaged.
They spoke only on the blast. So simple things concealed, since everyone would like to see direct a piece of the meteorite, but there was not.
Then of course, and can show us any stone from the Upper Katarachia Russia and telling us, "to the meteorite."
And one more thing
To convince us that nothing fell down, was told that if they left some fragments then due to conservation of momentum, it would change the course of the "meteorite", which did not happen.
This does not hold water because if the parts aposasthikan had very little mass compared to the main trunk, in fractions of seconds that elapsed between the first and second explosion, do not have time to change any course.
2. The local authorities
The Russian state in no time, took 20,000 thousand men combing the area searching and collecting what?
By blocking access to what in the world?
Did scrap the vehicle damaged the Earth's atmosphere and ignite?
3. The media
There is and was the come to see. To get the line, others say instead of others. Then, classic saying all the same poem. With the same words, and think a mind wrote the text that the global broadcast of the new lovebirds ( overcomes ( Again ( class.
TA DATA
Let's see what the data in yesterday's incident
1. Explosion was outside atmosphere destroyed the object and recorded by amateur astronomers.
That was the reason I initially told the Russians that missile hit the meteorite. But the Russians were not periptoai whatsoever to target the meteor. Not hit anything and it could not and mostly because there was no meteorite, but for those unfamiliar boat.
2. Within the denser layers of the atmosphere, the "object" exploded in front of the cameras and parts fell to the 'ground and were looking to the 20,000 men. Does not sound a lot but very strange one whole army looking pieces of "meteor"?
3. Almost instantaneously after a huge explosion size, sublimation trashes of the "unknown object" and nothing else dropped.
In the sky were two parallel lines, gas condensate, which made many to talk about UFO with two engines.
4. The Russians in the second official announcement, said nothing beat since it is impossible for human technology to lock a rapidly entering the atmosphere object.
Some of course also "valid and respected", said they saw the radar ...... because he came from the side of the sun, think and live in the screenplay with planes of WWII, where pilots loose direction from sunlight.
All I can say is WOW Arvan33...I'm listening to you. And you make some very good points.
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I stopped listening to mainstream scientists a long, long time ago...in fact I am suspecious about anything they say.
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Anyone notice how there seems to be two columns of smoke trail from this Object too - One right beside the other - And THEN Boom as It explodes...
- Hmmm...
- Hmmm...
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Brook wrote:
What would cause the trail of smoke to end and the meteorite to separate? Just asking....
Anybody have a clue how that works?
Maybe a missile ???
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What if this is that "shuttle" falling from the sky (after the Korean nuclear tests) as predicted by Major Ed Dames? The last event before the killshot...
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burgundia wrote:I stopped listening to mainstream scientists a long, long time ago...in fact I am suspecious about anything they say.
I am another one that doesn't believe anything pushed by the establishment . Those so called expert must tell lies to the public or they get the boot . The official line is that
1) There are no flying saucer .
2) there were 6 million people that died in the Hollow cast ( sic ) .
3) The Vatican is not involved in money laundering , genocide , armament sales , lying to the public for 2000 years and fleecing the followers not counting the hunt for heretics , persecution of scientists and wars .
4) science is not controlled and universities are not rigged ,
5) the mass media tells the truth and not the government line .
6) The government actions are for the benefit of he citizens and never for the lobby groups .
7) Aliens do not exist .
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Quote " In last 2 days exploding fireballs were reported on all sides of the world – Russia, Kazakhstan, Japan, Australia, Cuba, South Africa, Morocco, Germany, Switzerland, northern Italy, Netherlands, Belgium, UK…
- An enormous fireball was reported by numerous witnesses over Belgium, Netherlands and Germany on February 13, 2013. The sight lasted from 10 – 20 seconds. There were two separate fragmentations that shone brightly, one witness reported. Apparently it was part of Soyuz rocked but it still remains unclear what it was exactly. The 1800th flight of a Soyuz launch vehicle was performed on Monday, 11 February 2013 from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan at 18:41 Moscow time (15:41 Paris time). Arianespace and its Russian partners report that the Progress cargo spacecraft was accurately placed on the target orbit for another mission to the International Space Station. This was the second Soyuz family mission in 2013. Detailed reports on witness reports here. "
http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2013/02/16/in-last-2-days-fireballs-were-reported-all-over-the-world-sweden-netherlands-russia-japan-cuba/
It would be interesting to compare each incident . It seems that the phenomena is pretty common .....
- An enormous fireball was reported by numerous witnesses over Belgium, Netherlands and Germany on February 13, 2013. The sight lasted from 10 – 20 seconds. There were two separate fragmentations that shone brightly, one witness reported. Apparently it was part of Soyuz rocked but it still remains unclear what it was exactly. The 1800th flight of a Soyuz launch vehicle was performed on Monday, 11 February 2013 from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan at 18:41 Moscow time (15:41 Paris time). Arianespace and its Russian partners report that the Progress cargo spacecraft was accurately placed on the target orbit for another mission to the International Space Station. This was the second Soyuz family mission in 2013. Detailed reports on witness reports here. "
http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2013/02/16/in-last-2-days-fireballs-were-reported-all-over-the-world-sweden-netherlands-russia-japan-cuba/
It would be interesting to compare each incident . It seems that the phenomena is pretty common .....
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Well - One thing is for sure...
The amount of Incomers (Fireballs - Etc.) is getting quite excessive in terms of the frequency that We usually experience (Earthlings / Terrans that is)...
The amount of Incomers (Fireballs - Etc.) is getting quite excessive in terms of the frequency that We usually experience (Earthlings / Terrans that is)...
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These guys were under that cloud for quite some time AFTER the initial explosion. So it took that long for the sound wave to explode the windows out? Makes no sense to me. It's more like a second explosion.
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See the news reports that the explosion in the sky was the blast that was the force of 30 Hiroshima Bombs
But in the video above the explosion that blew out the windows happened after it hit the ground....the guys in the video span the whole cloud AFTER the initial explosion....very curious...the shockwaves took that long to hit???
The dazzling fireball burned brighter than the Sun as it unleashed nearly 500 kilotons of energy, around 30 times the size of the nuclear bomb dropped on Hiroshima in 1945.
Shockwaves from the aerial explosion injured some 1,200 people and wrecked thousands of homes as residents cowered from the apocalyptic momentum in the city of Chelyabinsk, some 1497 km east of Moscow.
http://www.indiatimes.com/technology/science/russian-meteor-exploded-with-force-of-30-hiroshima-bombs-61476.html
But in the video above the explosion that blew out the windows happened after it hit the ground....the guys in the video span the whole cloud AFTER the initial explosion....very curious...the shockwaves took that long to hit???
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Brook wrote:See the news reports that the explosion in the sky was the blast that was the force of 30 Hiroshima Bombs
The dazzling fireball burned brighter than the Sun as it unleashed nearly 500 kilotons of energy, around 30 times the size of the nuclear bomb dropped on Hiroshima in 1945.
Shockwaves from the aerial explosion injured some 1,200 people and wrecked thousands of homes as residents cowered from the apocalyptic momentum in the city of Chelyabinsk, some 1497 km east of Moscow.
http://www.indiatimes.com/technology/science/russian-meteor-exploded-with-force-of-30-hiroshima-bombs-61476.html
But in the video above the explosion that blew out the windows happened after it hit the ground....the guys in the video span the whole cloud AFTER the initial explosion....very curious...the shockwaves took that long to hit???
in my opinion the explosion happened some Km away but the sound traveled at the speed of sound of about 345 Meters seconds , so for example for a hit 10 Km away the time for the shock wave would be about 30 seconds .
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Calculating the sound of lightning and the sound of thunder...based on the idea it was an "aerial explosion"... and the flash indicates there was an aerial explosion.
So we're looking at a second explosion? The impact perhaps?
Calculating distance
A flash of lightning, followed after some seconds by a rumble of thunder illustrates the fact that sound travels significantly slower than light. Using this difference, one can estimate how far away the bolt of lightning is by timing the interval between seeing the flash and hearing thunder. The speed of sound in dry air is approximately 343 m/s or 1,127 ft/s or 768 mph (1,236 km/h) at 20 °C (68 °F).[9] However, this figure is only an approximation, as air is hardly dry in a thunderstorm.
The speed of light is high enough that it can be taken as infinite in this calculation because of the relatively small distance involved. Therefore, the lightning is approximately one kilometer distant for every 2.9 seconds that elapse between the visible flash and the first sound of thunder (or one mile for every 4.6 seconds). In the same five seconds, the light could have traveled the same distance as circling the globe 37 times. Thunder is seldom heard at distances over 20 kilometers (12 mi).[3] A very bright flash of lightning and an almost simultaneous sharp "crack" of thunder, a thundercrack, therefore indicates that the lightning strike was very near.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunder
Looking at that video....the sound and shockwave should not have taken that long.
So we're looking at a second explosion? The impact perhaps?
Calculating distance
A flash of lightning, followed after some seconds by a rumble of thunder illustrates the fact that sound travels significantly slower than light. Using this difference, one can estimate how far away the bolt of lightning is by timing the interval between seeing the flash and hearing thunder. The speed of sound in dry air is approximately 343 m/s or 1,127 ft/s or 768 mph (1,236 km/h) at 20 °C (68 °F).[9] However, this figure is only an approximation, as air is hardly dry in a thunderstorm.
The speed of light is high enough that it can be taken as infinite in this calculation because of the relatively small distance involved. Therefore, the lightning is approximately one kilometer distant for every 2.9 seconds that elapse between the visible flash and the first sound of thunder (or one mile for every 4.6 seconds). In the same five seconds, the light could have traveled the same distance as circling the globe 37 times. Thunder is seldom heard at distances over 20 kilometers (12 mi).[3] A very bright flash of lightning and an almost simultaneous sharp "crack" of thunder, a thundercrack, therefore indicates that the lightning strike was very near.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunder
Looking at that video....the sound and shockwave should not have taken that long.
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Russia Meteor Was Largest in More Than a Century
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323764804578312264130040432.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories
The meteor that crashed to earth in Russia was about 55 feet in diameter, weighed around 10,000 tons and was made from a stony material, scientists said, making it the largest such object to hit the Earth in more than a century.http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323764804578312264130040432.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories
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