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    Post  Brook Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:59 pm

    burgundia wrote:

    The guy is definitely wrong about one thing. The girl in white is Victoria's sister. It is not one actress playing two characters.

    However the behaviour of all family members of the victims is bizarre. Were they given some substance?



    Wow...simply wow! At the 3:25 mark look what it is Obama will cherish....Can you say ritual?

    I can!!!

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    Post  burgundia Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:12 pm

    mudra wrote:

    Not only all family members of the victims behave in a bizarre and artificial way but also that coroner.
    The entire event smells fishy to me .
    I hardly could believe what I saw in the way these people responded.

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    The coroner behaves like a nut.
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    Post  mudra Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:13 am

    Sandy Hook massacre: Official story spins out of control

    Niall Bradley
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    Tue, 18 Dec 2012


    The massacre of 20 children and 7 adults at the Sandy Hook elementary school last Friday was one more in a long line of atrocious mass murders committed in the USA. By now, four days later, an official version of events has more or less solidified to explain the chain of events. The familiar 'lone gunman' narrative has once more stoked the hot-button issue of gun control and left the general population as clueless as ever as to why people suddenly 'go postal' and target the most vulnerable members of society.

    On closer inspection, however, there is clearly more to many of these mass shootings than meets the eye. Very often the earliest reports present information that directly contradicts key foundations of the final 'official' analysis of events. Granted, confusion is natural when a story breaks, but some of the initial reports conflict so completely with the lone gunman narrative that I'm going to compile them here and then try to put this tragedy in a more objective context.

    Arrow http://www.sott.net/article/254873-Sandy-Hook-massacre-Official-story-spins-out-of-control

    Love Always
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    Post  burgundia Tue Jan 01, 2013 8:19 am

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    Post  Jenetta Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:24 pm

    Recently a Canadian father, Giles Rousseau (parent of Lauren Rousseau, a teacher at Sandy Hook) who lives in Quebec complained to Radio Canada that he was denied permission to view his daughter's body by U.S. authorities in Newtown, Connecticut.

    This strikes me as being really strange when the parents of victims (teachers and students) have been denied access to see their loved ones one last time. As a matter of fact it is absolutely outrageous!

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    Post  Brook Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:03 pm

    Jenetta wrote:Recently a Canadian father, Giles Rousseau (parent of Lauren Rousseau, a teacher at Sandy Hook) who lives in Quebec complained to Radio Canada that he was denied permission to view his daughter's body by U.S. authorities in Newtown, Connecticut.

    This strikes me as being really strange when the parents of victims (teachers and students) have been denied access to see their loved ones one last time. As a matter of fact it is absolutely outrageous!

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    It's strange I agree. But that is the same thing I ran into when I got to California to see my son's remains after the accident. His brother ID'd him at the hospital..then off to the coroners office he went. When I got there I could not see him until they released him. Then I had to wait until he was transported to the funeral home.

    Whenever there's an investigation for cause of death in process, that's the protocol.

    Once the body is at the coroners office it's hands and sight off until release.

    I'm certain once the investigation on his daughters body is complete and she is released he will get to view her. Problem is in what condition after such a length of time would be in question I'm sure. When I finally got to see my son he was very cold from the storage.
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    Post  burgundia Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:55 am

    Brook wrote:
    Jenetta wrote:Recently a Canadian father, Giles Rousseau (parent of Lauren Rousseau, a teacher at Sandy Hook) who lives in Quebec complained to Radio Canada that he was denied permission to view his daughter's body by U.S. authorities in Newtown, Connecticut.

    This strikes me as being really strange when the parents of victims (teachers and students) have been denied access to see their loved ones one last time. As a matter of fact it is absolutely outrageous!

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    It's strange I agree. But that is the same thing I ran into when I got to California to see my son's remains after the accident. His brother ID'd him at the hospital..then off to the coroners office he went. When I got there I could not see him until they released him. Then I had to wait until he was transported to the funeral home.

    Whenever there's an investigation for cause of death in process, that's the protocol.

    Once the body is at the coroners office it's hands and sight off until release.


    Same here.
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    Post  Arrowwind Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:14 am

    mudra wrote:Sandy Hook massacre: Official story spins out of control

    Niall Bradley
    Sott.net
    Tue, 18 Dec 2012


    The massacre of 20 children and 7 adults at the Sandy Hook elementary school last Friday was one more in a long line of atrocious mass murders committed in the USA. By now, four days later, an official version of events has more or less solidified to explain the chain of events. The familiar 'lone gunman' narrative has once more stoked the hot-button issue of gun control and left the general population as clueless as ever as to why people suddenly 'go postal' and target the most vulnerable members of society.

    On closer inspection, however, there is clearly more to many of these mass shootings than meets the eye. Very often the earliest reports present information that directly contradicts key foundations of the final 'official' analysis of events. Granted, confusion is natural when a story breaks, but some of the initial reports conflict so completely with the lone gunman narrative that I'm going to compile them here and then try to put this tragedy in a more objective context.

    Arrow http://www.sott.net/article/254873-Sandy-Hook-massacre-Official-story-spins-out-of-control

    Love Always
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    Please wake up. this is a false flag event. This is not the worst assault ever on American soil except for in the lies it holds. This is a plot to remove weapons from the US population. With things like this and 9/11 going on we need them more than ever.

    Listen to Stewart Rhodes discuss what this event is causing, with Alex Jones. We are going to see XXXX fly if we resist our repression.

    When the swat teams come to take guns from my community I will die defending our rights. The rest of the slaves in the US can carry on as usual locked in thier fears and debt prisons. Give me liberty or give me death.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCDccxJbAT8
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    Post  devakas Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:29 am



    should I declare war to mlechas, meat eaters again??? who wants liberty to kill? hmmm
    Wink

    peaceful devakas :)
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    Post  Arrowwind Wed Jan 02, 2013 1:22 pm

    Liberty to defend one's self is requried in a world what runs on the military industrial complex, as purchased 3,000 drones to surveil Americans, has Russian Troops stationed inside US borders, has concetration camps all over the nation, has MKULTRA specialists stationed thooughout the governement, pays banks before the common people, will send in armed gunmen to shut down raw milk farms, will send in swat teams to shut down alternative medicine facilities, and with a Financial Elite that intends to further enslave you.

    Some people just have slave consciousness I guess
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    Post  Arrowwind Wed Jan 02, 2013 1:39 pm

    mudra wrote:I wholeheartedly align my views along those of Lawless in this current debate.
    I would rather have everyone learning Aikido and cultivate the Art of Peace.


    Love from me
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    have you ever seen a legal swat team marching down your street with automatic weapons pointed at you as you stand in your window?

    You can cultivate peace in your heart and learn aikido but when they invade your home, arrest you without warrent, destroy your ability to make a living, hold you indefinately, your peace will rage into anger and your Akido will bring you too your knees and death as they put their taisers upon you, and even their guns.

    This is the America that you folks in Belgium don't understand. I guess you just dont believe the stories of what goes on here. Better open your ears and eyes for you are going to see America shift even further.

    It is not the militias doing these crimes, it is not the average person on the street that seeks to defend their family from an injust system and a politically corrupt judicial system.

    It is the gangs who are given weapons by the CIA, it is the destitute and displaced who hunt the streets for a living, it is the false flags that result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands, it is the war on drugs funded by the CIA, it is the black box operations, it is the kidnapping of children for the sex industry, it is oh so many things that plague our society, from which the good and the honorable have the god given right to defend themselves because as a collective in community and nation you will not find others to protect you. You call the police for help and wait all day for them to come and so often they do not.

    Sandy Hook is a black box operation for a false flag event which the innocent have been sacrificed to instill fear and to move forward the enslavement of the citizens of the USA.
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    Post  lawlessline Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:07 pm

    Maybe the US should have a little gun detox???,

    Just have no guns whatsoever, that means police as with civilians. I think after 2 years the US people will find it very refreshing not to have the worry if they have their gun or not. The loss of life from wild life will be far less than the loss of life through stupid ignorant people who hold the power of god in their hands to decide who lives and who dies will help people concentrate on what solutions can be found for other problems that we collectively face and need each other to be on the ball and in tune to solve.

    Arrowwind, don't let your emotions decide against your commonsense. Guns just aint good my friend. I asked a question earlier and still have not had a reply, so I will ask it again.
    Name me one good that has come from the invention of the gun?

    I have tried and cann't find it. It may well exist, but I struggle to see the benefits.

    If people have to fight each other or the wildlife that is around them, let all play on a level playing field, otherwise fools rush in where angles do not wish to walk.

    Lawless

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    Post  Arrowwind Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:07 pm

    My emotions?

    It is my freedom that is at stake.

    The outlawing of guns does not reduce crime. Many studies have been done on it.

    You are brainwashed.

    Also if you takey guns away you will be eliminating a major way that the families in our community feed themselves. We don't eat contaminiaed food products. We hunt for our living. It's not sport. It's reality. It is living off of the land. But I suppose living in your urban little house or apartment you couldn't possibly understand that.

    I really have a distain for aganda 21.. This is it. It is upon us.

    Im not going to rewrite all this stuff but I have posted the studies already.

    You can find them here if you dare to look at the facts that prove your philosophies wrong. Views to limit guns for safety concerns are based on opinion which are based on emotions, not facts.

    This thread in the first post provides links to governmental studies that show that those who have illegalized guns have more not less gun crime

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53721-Stats-for-Gun-Deaths-in-the-US-Have-Been-Going-Down&p=609615#post609615
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    Post  Floyd Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:06 pm

    mudra wrote:I wholeheartedly align my views along those of Lawless in this current debate.
    I would rather have everyone learning Aikido and cultivate the Art of Peace.



    Love from me
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    Guns are for idiots, paranoids and people with small willies. Magnify it and you get war.


    Of course the arms industry lobby like to make billions out of all kinds of destructive weapons and that is what this is really about. Do not be fooled with their zionist conspiracy crap.

    Arm the teachers lol. A Tragic state of affairs.





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    Post  Jenetta Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:32 pm

    lawlessline wrote:Maybe the US should have a little gun detox???,

    Just have no guns whatsoever, that means police as with civilians. I think after 2 years the US people will find it very refreshing not to have the worry if they have their gun or not. The loss of life from wild life will be far less than the loss of life through stupid ignorant people who hold the power of god in their hands to decide who lives and who dies will help people concentrate on what solutions can be found for other problems that we collectively face and need each other to be on the ball and in tune to solve.

    Arrowwind, don't let your emotions decide against your commonsense. Guns just aint good my friend. I asked a question earlier and still have not had a reply, so I will ask it again.
    Name me one good that has come from the invention of the gun?

    I have tried and cann't find it. It may well exist, but I struggle to see the benefits.

    If people have to fight each other or the wildlife that is around them, let all play on a level playing field, otherwise fools rush in where angles do not wish to walk.

    Lawless

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    Much as the reality you would like to see Lawless that reality does not yet exist in this period of time on Planet Earth and I think you'd have a hard time time convincing the cops, CIA, terrorists, and the intelligence agencies that operate in various nations to give up their guns so we could have a level playing field...

    Lol the technology has advanced so much now, do you really think the PTB are going to lay down their fire power, learn to meditate and practice aikido? An alternate reality yes it may be possible. Take a look at the newest guns...

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/a-massive-electromagnetic-pulse-could-collapse-the-economy-in-a-single-moment

    High altitude nuclear explosions and solar storms are not the only things that could produce sizable EMP bursts.

    For example, the U.S. military has developed "a directed electromagnetic pulse gun" that can take out all electronics within a limited area. This kind of weapon can be fired from a plane, a cruise missile or even a drone. The following is from a recent WND article...

    <BLOCKQUOTE>
    A pre-programmed cruise missile not too different from a drone has been proven to be capable of blasting out an EMP-type microwave that was able to destroy personal computers and electrical systems inside a building over which it was flying.

    The U.S. Air Force and its contractor Boeing have created the High-powered Microwave Advanced Missile Project, or CHAMP, which was just tested over a Utah desert.

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    Post  Floyd Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:47 pm

    The right wing ultra conservative rhetoric drip fed into conspiracy forums will continue no end. I have no doubt about that.

    Apologizing for arms is slightly pathetic. Are these people going to rise up with pistols against their oppressors. No they are not.

    They are going to moan about them on forums without doing anything about it.

    It is all about about the arms companies and the weapons makers and their sad lobbyists selling bullshit stories to keep the american gun alive.

    On an international scale oil for arms. Secrets swapped. Control.

    Get a grip.






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    Post  THEeXchanger Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:06 pm

    in The UK when they took away their guns; there was a similiar shooting that involved children - wonder what date that was - there was an order signed on it, that the info must stay sealed for 100 years ???


    http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2087545/pg1

    HISTORY REPEATING: March 13 1996 - UK Elementary School Shooting Kills 16 - results in UK GUN BAN

    notice they killed kids the same ages ?
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    Post  Floyd Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:26 pm

    It happens a lot less over here dear

    Take a look at this chart for gun murders

    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_gun_vio_hom_hom_wit_fir-crime-gun-violence-homicides-firearms



    The USA is at number 7 (sandwiched in between Zimbabwe and Paraguay. Bastions of civility no doubt)

    The UK is nowhere on the chart.

    Again all those crying for keeping the guns are simple clueless stooges for the the killer companies.

    If its numbers you are interested in read the chart

    If you use godlike productions to aid your statement then I cant help you
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    Post  Brook Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:23 am

    This is not Godlike productions...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre

    And we are not Great Britain


    http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/17/world/europe/dunblane-lessons/index.html


    What effect did the ban have?

    According to bare statistics, the ban initially appeared to have little impact, as the number of crimes involving guns in England and Wales rose heavily during the late 1990s to peak at 24,094 offenses in 2003/04.

    Since then the number has fallen in each year. In 2010/11 there were 11,227 offenses, 53% below the peak number, according to the official crime figures. Crimes involving handguns also fell 44% -- from 5,549 in 2002/03 to 3,105 -- in 2010/11.

    Despite this, the effectiveness of Britain's gun laws has been repeatedly questioned. The most high-profile mass shooting happened in 2010 when a lone gunman killed 12 people in a four-hour shooting spree in rural Cumbria, northern England. After a huge manhunt, the body of 52-year-old taxi driver Derrick Byrd was found alongside two powerful rifles, one equipped with a telescopic sight.

    Criminologist Peter Squires said the real picture shows a slight but significant decline in the use of firearms since Dunblane. The figures don't tell the whole story, he said, but "the murder rate has fallen and all the indicators are moving in the right direction."

    Squires, professor of criminology at Brighton University and a member of the Gun Control Network, said he believed the fall in crimes where guns were used was due to new legislation coupled with better policing against gangs.

    "Any weapon can be misused in a crime. Gun control will never be a complete solution to events like the mass shooting we saw in Connecticut. The swamp of gun use has not been fully drained and while tighter gun control removes risk on an incremental basis, significant numbers of weapons remain in Britain."

    He added it was important to note that a big problem remained in Britain and other countries with imitation guns, converted weapons such as starting pistols and air guns, "which many people regard as only one step up from a toy."

    To live and die by the sword?

    Knife crimes in the UK?

    There are four times more knife-related killings as firearms-related killings.

    The Centre for Crime and Justice Studies at King's College London recently conducted some deeper analysis of the available Home Office's statistics.

    It concluded that between 22,000 and 57,900 young people could have been victims of knife crime in 2004.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6960431.stm

    Crime is crime...any way you stack it.

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/taxonomy/index.html?nscl=Crime+in+England+and+Wales

    So please....don't compare apples to oranges here....

    Good and Bad and the Ugly



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    Post  Brook Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:35 am

    Furthermore.....everyone here is looking at the gun as an aggressive weapon, which of course it can be. I live in the foothills of some very dense woods and mountains. In those mountains are Bears, mountain lions, and coyotes among others. The farmers who provide for themselves up there and wish to protect their horses, cows, chickens etc....depend on those guns to protect not only their way of life...but survive an attack.

    So please....let's get real....Great Britain's does not have nearly the wildlife we do here in the States. Last I heard...Bears were not plentiful except perhaps in Scotland? But here there are several very large and fierce species. And very plentiful I might add.

    Bears in Europe.

    The European Brown bear used to be widespread and found in almost every European country. They became extinct in the UK in the middle ages but, amazingly, bears still cling on in most countries in Europe, though it is unlikely that they will hang on for much longer in France and Spain. Romania has a population of over 5000 bears, and most Balkan countries have relatively stable populations totalling around 2000 animals.

    http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/world/sf-bears.html#cr



    You cannot take a bear down with a bb gun or air rifle....and they will KILL you.

    Speaking of which....not long ago I remember a woman in California who was jogging or biking on a mountain trail not far from the big city of Los Angeles. The mountain lion is a plentiful species here too.

    A man 35 yeas old was mauled to death on that day.



    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/09/mountain-lions-cougars-california-attacks.html

    Hjelle was mauled by a mountain lion on Jan. 8, 2004. Only hours earlier, on the trail she was riding, the 122-pound mass of muscle had killed and partially devoured another rider, Mark Reynolds, 35. The animal's fangs punctured Hjelle's neck, missing vital arteries by millimeters. Five operations and 200 stitches and staples later, it remains a miracle that Hjelle is alive – and can see out of both eyes.

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/hjelle-238764-fear-mountain.html

    http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jan/10/local/me-lion10

    http://www.cougarinfo.org/attacks3.htm


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    Post  magamud Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:33 am

    Floyd:The right wing ultra conservative rhetoric drip fed into conspiracy forums will continue no end. I have no doubt about that.

    The right wing along with the left wing have truth to it. Its in their application on how people get fooled.

    That is, if people took care of their own security we would not need all this military. And its with everything in this paradigm, taking away your basic responsibilities for sovereignty, security, food and commerce, then taunting you that you dont have it and picking a fight. This is right vs left stuff, but if you can get some perspective there is no division. That is because we all have been sociologically engineered.


    The UK is nowhere on the chart.
    You sure have some blinding patriotism Floyd. Were all in the same boat as the controllers control the entire planet. Its putting up the disguise that there are actually countries or division amongst us. You know Divide and conquer...
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    Post  Brook Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:49 am

    You sure have some blinding patriotism...

    Whistle

    Stop Killing Black Bears for Royal Guards’ Fur Caps

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    Target: UK Ministry of Defense

    Goal: Ask that high quality synthetic materials be used to make helmets to replace bearskin hats made from slaughtered black bears

    The Queen’s Royal Guards, with their red suits and iconic tall black hats, are a traditional British image. However, many people may not be aware that the fuzzy tall black hats worn by the UK’s Royal Guards are made from black bear pelts. The United Kingdom’s Ministry of Defense spends large sums of money importing bear hides from North America. Black bear numbers are decreasing throughout North America, and hunting techniques used to kill them are oftentimes overly cruel. In these modern times, there should be no reason why high quality fake fur cannot be used to replace real bear pelts.

    Most of the black bear pelts used for caps in the UK are imported from Canada. The bears are normally killed by hunters, who often use baits to lure bears into areas where they can more easily be shot. An estimated 15% of black bears are not killed immediately after being shot. Many of these bears escape, and later die a lingering death from blood loss or starvation. Some bears are required to be shot more than once before they are killed, making their deaths painful and frightening. In many locations where bears are hunted, there are no rules against shooting mother bears who have cubs. Most cubs, too young to care for themselves, die soon after the death of their mother.

    It can take one entire bear hide to create a single guard’s cap. Although the bearskin caps are part of the Royal Guard’s traditional uniform, there is no reason why faux fur caps cannot be created to look just as regal as real bear fur. Ask the UK Ministry of Defense to stop supporting the cruel hunting of North American black bears and to consider the much more humane option of high quality faux fur.

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    Post  lawlessline Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:07 am

    Arrowwind wrote:My emotions?

    It is my freedom that is at stake.

    The outlawing of guns does not reduce crime. Many studies have been done on it.

    You are brainwashed.

    Also if you takey guns away you will be eliminating a major way that the families in our community feed themselves. We don't eat contaminiaed food products. We hunt for our living. It's not sport. It's reality. It is living off of the land. But I suppose living in your urban little house or apartment you couldn't possibly understand that.

    I really have a distain for aganda 21.. This is it. It is upon us.


    Arrowwind. Many people here, where I live, hunt with guns, its all over the place, so if I get this right you are saying that before guns existed people didn't hunt or eat? Shame on you if your choice of weapon is that of mass distruction rather than just fair play. You as I am are no more than animals, but guns were not part of the rules, the rules we have forgotten.
    As for Brainwashed, well I never said anything about crimes as the biggest crimes are not committed with guns but against the people of this planet. I am saying that nothing good has come from guns and not having one is a way of standing up and saying "Thank, but no thanks. I think there is a better way."


    Jenetta wrote:
    Much as the reality you would like to see Lawless that reality does not yet exist in this period of time on Planet Earth and I think you'd have a hard time time convincing the cops, CIA, terrorists, and the intelligence agencies that operate in various nations to give up their guns so we could have a level playing field...

    Lol the technology has advanced so much now, do you really think the PTB are going to lay down their fire power, learn to meditate and practice aikido? An alternate reality yes it may be possible. Take a look at the newest guns...


    It is a choice that I am glad to have made and believe that my reality will be the one that prevails over any other that has a gun it. So my work is done where that reality is concerned and I a just waiting for the rest to catch us up. I will not ask another to do anything. They do as they wish. If they wish to keep this whole gun thing going, there is only one result. But without guns the results are endless. The person carrying the gun however supposedly they are has lost.

    Strange thing evolution. To find more efficent and cost effective ways to killing another thing is not evolution but rather perfect something that already exists. That is just running on the spot. Nothing has advance in the society with guns just the speed in which the experience comes to an end.

    But you do what you like, I would not be foolish enough to enforce my will on another, rather live my will fully hand in hand with life.


    FLOYD;

    in the Solar flare threads I forgot you beautiful sense of humor. I thank you for that an excuse my rash posting maybe, you truely are a fantastic scouse in the spirit of Lennon.

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    Post  Brook Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:22 am

    Leaving this in the field of formidable debate and not character assignation would be advisable.

    A agree with you Tom on several points. I also agree with some points made by Arrowind.

    In a perfect world there would be no guns. In a perfect world there would be no predators.

    We do not live in a perfect world. There are predators of all kinds. Until that changes...there will always be that quest for a gun I suppose.

    Note: WE do not own ANY guns. Nor do we plan on it.



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    Post  Carol Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:19 am

    If this was a different world we wouldn't need guns. However, I remember the Indians and how they were attacked when those with guns wanted their land and resources. Let's face it. In some societies life without guns work and in other societies it doesn't. Yet it is ironic with the technology available guns are used as they really are sort of primitive in some respects - yet effective in others.

    In India where a young woman was gang raped on a bus and died - a gun would have been her best defense. In other parts of the mid-east where men are being given permission to rape women - a gun would be the best defense. Reality is brutal and so are some individuals' behavior. Having a gun in the house is a double-edged sword. When I had small sons I did not want any guns in the house. Ironically with my daughter I do. Make of it what you will. The mountain lion outside the bedroom door killing our sheep changed my mind about having a weapon in the house. There is a place for weapons when used by responsible people to defend themselves and no place for weapons when used to threaten or kill the innocent. However, at the time the Sandy Hook incident happened a man in China showed up in a school with a knife. Crazy people will find a means to do harm if that is their intention.

    I remembered when I worked in the psych hospital and a little woman (smaller then 5 ft and less then 100 lb) needed six full grown men to restrain her when she lost it. Rage that is out of control is a very scary sight to behold when there is no one there who is trained to contain it. It's even scary for those who are trained to deal with. Given our current society (world-wide and specifically parts of the mid-east (and we might as well throw the city of Chicago in there too), I fully expect a lot more violence before heaven is on earth at which time there will be no need for weapons of any kind other then the arch angels.


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