School Massacre Obama's Scapegoat to Ban Guns

Lawless your assumption that love and evolution is under your understanding of belief is not so absolute.

Is there any doubt that the criminal element wants to remove guns?
Is it really love and evolution to not be able to defend home and family?

Submission of the planet is psychological, not some turd ringing around a toilet bowl.

I dont see the use of certainty in either polarity, guns, no guns, as productive.

magamud wrote:Lawless your assumption that love and evolution is under your understanding of belief is not so absolute.

Is there any doubt that the criminal element wants to remove guns?
Is it really love and evolution to not be able to defend home and family?

Submission of the planet is psychological, not some turd ringing around a toilet bowl.

I dont see the use of certainty in either polarity, guns, no guns, as productive.

Its quite simple really . Either this planet lives under the idea of collective appreciation or its down the toilet. The idea is that you should never have to defend your self or you family. If you start in that mode you have lost before you beginning. The idea is absolute. Either we get it together or its curtains for the human race. Here at least. There is no real choice thats why it is a non brainer. It is not a case of idealism. Perfect will never exist, if it does it is also the end. But there are certain things we need to get sorted if we wish to move on. The System that is dominant is a really crap system. It rewards the wrong way around and the only way anything new is gonna come into reality is if we take part in it, even if it doesn't exist yet. It starts with you, him, her, them, everybody. Everybody needs everybody not just to love but for the love of each other we will evolve. I cannot do it with out you, its freedom for everyone or freedom for no one.

The submission is not psychologic, that is the secondary result of the primary which is possession of the materials of our realities. The phsychos come in after that.

This is just my way of living and I cann't do it any other way. Any negotiation of true feelings don't come up to scratch when looking the family in the eye.



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Its quite simple really .

Its very far from being simple and thats my point.

Either this planet lives under the idea of collective appreciation or its down the toilet.

Your over simplifying to be emotional in it methinks.

There is no real choice thats why it is a non brainer.

Im not sure I could have a cogent argument with you while you are in absolutism, but I appreciate your enthusiasm...

its freedom for everyone or freedom for no one.

I am going to try regardless. There is a lot of space out there Lawless. Its starts with each person having a boundary. Is a boundary something aggressive? Everyone has it. I get the sense your arguing if we were all trapped together in like a stadium or something. I could see that, but then who is using the guns to enforce it? Eliminate guns altogether, Man will use knives etc...

of the primary which is possession of the materials of our realities.

Are you suggesting Zen with no mind philosophy? I can see that. You are making a stand to not believe in Maya as you believe its the root of the problem. This is true and not true as you only have to pinch yourself and tell me how you feel. I would suggest its like melting Ice which we are doing with Fire...

This is just my way of living and I cann't do it any other way.

As you say...

Arm the Kids and teachers Arnie style

Guns are good.

Freedom is a gun.

But only in backward nations that still have the death penalty.

lawlessline wrote:

magamud wrote:Lawless your assumption that love and evolution is under your understanding of belief is not so absolute.

Is there any doubt that the criminal element wants to remove guns?
Is it really love and evolution to not be able to defend home and family?

Submission of the planet is psychological, not some turd ringing around a toilet bowl.

I dont see the use of certainty in either polarity, guns, no guns, as productive.

Its quite simple really . Either this planet lives under the idea of collective appreciation or its down the toilet. The idea is that you should never have to defend your self or you family. If you start in that mode you have lost before you beginning. The idea is absolute. Either we get it together or its curtains for the human race. Here at least. There is no real choice thats why it is a non brainer. It is not a case of idealism. Perfect will never exist, if it does it is also the end. But there are certain things we need to get sorted if we wish to move on. The System that is dominant is a really crap system. It rewards the wrong way around and the only way anything new is gonna come into reality is if we take part in it, even if it doesn't exist yet. It starts with you, him, her, them, everybody. Everybody needs everybody not just to love but for the love of each other we will evolve. I cannot do it with out you, its freedom for everyone or freedom for no one.

The submission is not psychologic, that is the secondary result of the primary which is possession of the materials of our realities. The phsychos come in after that.

This is just my way of living and I cann't do it any other way. Any negotiation of true feelings don't come up to scratch when looking the family in the eye.



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great post lawlessline! really

Brook wrote:Well, this has gone far beyond absurd. Everyday at lunch time I go into the lunch room and they have a television set playing the news. Since this shooting ALL I see is GUNS GUNS GUNS. NRA views, republican and democratic foot ball debate. Throwing...no lobbing the subject into each others laps. Just like this thread.

Guns kill...yeah we know it. And this debate is about restricting and amending the constitution under which is states we have the right to bear arms.

Now this is up for change due to the recent violence depicted and KEEPS on happening. Is it new? No. And will this "change" have an effect?

Well let me tell you the effect it's have on the minds of the children. Fear! That's what. What's more is the absurd is getting beyond absurd when YOUNG CHILDREN are suspended for duking it out with bubbles eh?


Kindergartner Suspended Over Bubble Gun Threat

A 5-year-old girl was suspended from school earlier this week after she made what the school called a "terrorist threat."

Her weapon of choice? A small, Hello Kitty automatic bubble blower.

The kindergartner, who attends Mount Carmel Area Elementary School in Pennsylvania, caught administrators' attention after suggesting she and a classmate should shoot each other with bubbles.

"I think people know how harmless a bubble is. It doesn't hurt," said Robin Ficker, an attorney for the girl's family. According to Ficker, the girl, whose identity has not been released, didn't even have the bubble gun toy with her at school.

The kindergartner was ordered to undergo a psychological evaluation during her 10-day suspension, which was later reduced to two days. The evaluation deemed the girl normal and not a threat to others, Ficker said.

The girl's family is considering a lawsuit against the school to get the blemish - all because of bubbles - off their daughter's record.

"The mother has tried to get the girl in another school since this time, and they won't take the little girl because of this mark on her record," Ficker said.

The suspension comes one month after the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, which has created a heightened sense of alert at schools across the country.

The Mount Carmel Area School District told ABC News, "We are confident that much of the information supplied to the media may not be consistent with the facts… The Mount Carmel Area School District takes the well-being and safety of students and staff very seriously."

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/kindergartner-suspended-over-bubble-gun-threat-174618051--abc-news-topstories.html

R U SIRIUS!?!?!?!

This is beyond absurd! Yet it's sending a message ...

What are the messages? Well let's take a look at it. They want to ban assault weapons....from people who legally wish to own them....yet our own government has used these same weapons and put them straight into the hands of criminals.

US Government Helping Arm Mexican Drug Cartels?

Just when I think our war on drugs can’t get anymore absurd, I see truly sickening stories like one come to light. CBS News uncovered that the US Government has actually been working to allow hundreds of military-style guns to be smuggled into Mexico to see where they would end up. It shouldn’t surprise anyone that these military-style guns, sold at the border, end up with increasingly militarized cartels who used them to murder people to protect their territory from the government and other cartels.

Video from CBS: http://justsaynow.firedoglake.com/2011/03/07/us-government-helping-arm-mexican-drug-cartels/

Letting guns walk? To Drug Cartels?

"If your going to make an omelet...you need to scramble some eggs"....?!?!



So...let's get this straight. They arm criminals....the guns get funneled to criminals all over Mexico and bounce back over the border to the US, and the people who wish to protect themselves from criminals must not have guns? Guns given to the criminals by the government are to be captured in the "years to come"!

R U SIRIUS!?!?!?

How absurd they are not attempting to retrieve these guns from the criminals or giving them to criminals in the first damned place!! This practice of the government does not stop here in the US. They are giving weapons and planes to other countries. IT'S IN THE NEWS in case you have not heard.

In the video...it stated they will be looking for these guns for YEARS TO COME!!! Yet the target here? The mind of a five year old child who want to pounce a bubble on your head is SUSPENDED and put up for psychological evaluation!?!?!

It's BEYOND absurd and moral debate. This is simply my observation into the game of political football and the minds of Americans at the moment.

thanks Brook for this very confused post. hmmm criminals think that others are criminals, how it could be defined who is criminals and who is not criminals who have fun playing as criminals. how many tons of new laws should be created? very confusing....

Floyd wrote:Arm the Kids and teachers Arnie style

Guns are good.

Freedom is a gun.

But only in backward nations that still have the death penalty.

arm kids, give marijuana......

teach violence using movies and games. seems like nice future...

Reference: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t6049-the-katrina-virus-was-released-on-american-citizens-following-hurricane-katrina

The other thing that ties into all of this is the Sandy Hook shootings and other mass shootings/murder suicides in the United States.

All of this was predicted by a man who himself was assassinated. William Cooper "Behold A Pale Horse" 1991.

This book was written 22 years ago.

http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2013/01/the-man-who-predicted-sandy-hook-style-school-shootings-911-terrorist-attacks-2448126.html

Excerpt: Page 225 The Government encouraged the manufacture and importation of military firearms for the criminals to use. This is intended to foster a feeling of insecurity, which would lead the American people to voluntarily disarm themselves by passing laws against firearms. Using drugs and hypnosis on mental patients in a process called Orion, the CIA inculcated the desire in these people to open fire on schoolyards and thus inflame the antigun lobby. This plan is well underway and so far working perfectly. The middle class is begging the government to do away with the 2nd Amendment.

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No wonder JFK got shot!

I just wish people would speak from heart and not mind...

guns or not guns, drugs or not drugs should be answer and very easy one in each human heart.

A knife is a tool.

An axe is a tool.

A shovel is a tool.

A gun is a tool.

A rock has many uses and can even be used to build rock walls or hammer something - therefore it is a tool.

The same can be said of a tree branch.

A frying pan is a tool.

A hammer is a tool.

Scissors are tools.

An ice pick is a tool.

All of these things can be turned into weapons depending upon the intent of the individual using it - even a pillow which can be used to smother someone.

No one can get rid of all the tools that can be converted into weapons and it's ridiculous to think this is the case.

There are multiple issues involved with violence and which weapon is selected to carry out an act of harm against someone else. What about all of the rape cases that are condoned by men. The penis could even be viewed as a weapon by woman who are forced to have sex against their will. Does that mean that all penises should be lopped off?

Honestly - too many people's critical thinking skills are impaired. Of course we don't want or advocate violence. But getting rid of anything that can be viewed as a weapon to used against someone else isn't the answer. The values of the society have to change to where even war is considered a crime against humanity and stopped if there is any hope to alter opinions and intentions of those who live in the present.

I don't see that happening anytime soon. Ever since Cain and Able in the book of Genesis - a brother killed his sibling. This is a fundamental flaw of within humanity, which is not likely to change. The only thing that any of us can choose to do is live a peaceful life and not advocate violence. Owning a gun is not an admission of advocating violence. The gun is a tool in the right hands just as the knife, axe and hammer.

Dear Carol, this was pure mind stuff.

believe me heart speaks different.

If we will not control mind, not concur mind with heart, this stuff of black and white will always come up.

Control the mind. Control senses is the way. There are many praktical technics. Starting with tongue. Why tongue, because it is powerful mind connected sense object. Tongue for our species was given to eat and speak. When tongue is controled, people would stop killing animals and love every living entity in the world.

When tongue is controled the speach would be controled to capture the moment of bodhi between thought and action. It would capture the moment of synchronicity with heart. And the more this moment is expended the more Truth would come out, from heart, from soul, from devine, from beauty, non violence. So humanity needs to be retrained starting with kids.

when tongue is controled all other sences are secondary and follows the control easy.
When tongue is controled and mind becomes our friend, peace and happiness comes in each human.
When tongue is controled for kirtan, Gods Name and offered food for God, only then humanity would be saved.

Democracy is demoncrazy.

If we talk about devil, walk as a devil, sing as adevil, eat as a devil, speak as a devil it should be......

devil is like shadow of us.


when we will get a glimpse who we are, we will know our Father.

Dont you think Jesus did not controled his mind?? What he was doing in Olive mountain? He was realized soul. Pure realized soul.

best wishes to control tongue..... violence will dissapear.....

economics that only work are explained in Bhagavad Gita, how to start to protect cows, you can use your tools to protect from those who wants to eat them. Not to love them.

devakas

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Carol wrote:A knife is a tool.

An axe is a tool.

A shovel is a tool.

A gun is a tool.

A rock has many uses and can even be used to build rock walls or hammer something - therefore it is a tool.

The same can be said of a tree branch.

A frying pan is a tool.

A hammer is a tool.

Scissors are tools.

An ice pick is a tool.

Carol Love get a grip. LOL What the......man ........ love whats going on?????????????????????

Of course they are all tools expect for the elephant in the room THE GUN. LOL LOLO LOLO?OLOLOOL ahh. that is soo funny, man I love your humor. Give me another use than killing goes a gun have? I suppose you could use it as a hammer. But ask any carpenter he will choose the hammer.

I don't believe in banning anything, not even the gun. But you have to collectively get in hand about the gun. Stop your madness. As he said Gil my friend. "How will you get over loosing your minds?" over the idea of the gun. Stop this madness now.LOL MAn still cann't stop laughing at this.


Carol could you explain the other uses for a gun in terms of a tool. Man that idea is just so alien to me. Is this really a mad american thing. Is it like you guys are gong through your teenage tantrums????

Man even teenagers have dreams for other reasons throughout history, can we not just get it together for once?????










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James Tracy on the Sandy Hook Controversy - GRTV Feature Interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge4FnbQv434


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Sandy Hook "Crisis Actor" Theories And The Big Picture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWP3_xJjSuA


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SANDY HOOK - The Documentary (FULL VIDEO) 2013 Official

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkZ9HnMLKXg


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In recent times, perhaps not since 911 or perhaps the London bombings, has there been an event that has been so heavily criticized for it hoax like nature. There is so many erroronous newstories and videos. We all the know the list far too well.

I was reading this article today, and it seems very believable.

Reliving Horror and Faint Hope at Massacre Site

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/nyregion/horrors-of-newtown-shooting-scene-are-slow-to-fade.html?_r=1&



https://i.servimg.com/u/f16/17/80/30/86/newtow10.jpg

NEWTOWN, Conn. — The gunfire ended; it was so quiet they could hear the broken glass and bullet casings scraping under their boots. The smell of gunpowder filled the air. The officers turned down their radios; they did not want to give away their positions if there was still a gunman present.

They found the two women first, their bodies lying on the lobby floor. Now they knew it was real. But nothing, no amount of training, could prepare them for what they found next, inside those two classrooms.

“One look, and your life was absolutely changed,” said Michael McGowan, one of the first police officers to arrive at Sandy Hook Elementary School on Dec. 14, as a gunman, in the space of minutes, killed 20 first graders and 6 adults.

con't on link..........

Anyways I got to thinking. This seems like a legitamite story and article. These cops look legit and don't come across as actors!

The whole shooting and story would have been totally believable if it were not for the reporting screwups. They would have been further off to have had a publication ban on the incident. Now they have so many cracks to fill the dam will not hold.

We really have to ask why they disclosed what they did? Why all the photos with Obama? Once again we know the list....

Have you guys seen this video.

Start at the 3 min mark.

What is Gene Rosen doing? He is walking around in circles. Isn't he supposed to be home entertaining guests at this time?

There's something rotten in Denmark....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioHu0mhDg-0


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As it is below; so it is above

@Jennetta, thanks for posting vid. Something indeed is rotten in Denmark. I picked off this little diddy from it.


http://www.cmionline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Talking-With-Your-Children-About-the-Sandy-Hook-Elementary-Shooting.pdf

Guide on how to talk to children about Sandy Hook 4 days BEFORE massacre


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Here is a more in depth discussion on this.

http://letsrollforums.com/guide-talk-children-sandy-t28975.html?s=7be8a56a653ab0177b88d4e426ff9311&

Jenetta wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioHu0mhDg-0

There's something rotten in Denmark...

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Remember Dr Sal ? http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t5209-nasa-dr-sal-s-warning

At 4:47 that guy reminds me much of " Dr Sal " aka actor Frank Vidal to me .
What do you guys think ?



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No mudra, it is not the same guy.