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    Post  newel Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:14 pm

    This week I watched 2 documentaries that opened my eyes about End Timers. They are over 20 millions in the USA, many of them highly educated and influential on the financial and political scenes. They are convinced that the Christ is coming back soon, but that it can only happen in a predefined sequence of doomsday events. The problem for non-End Timers stupid enough to think that world peace and cooperation is possible right now, is that these Armageddonites, like Bill Deagle calls them, are highly organized and involved in politics. In other words they are self-fulfilling their end of the world scenario, a prophecy in which you and me are suffering and dying in horrible conditions. The 2 documentaries I watched are well produced and blows the whistle on End Timers...

    Waiting for Armageddon (2010)
    http://www.letmewatchthis.com/watch-349713-Waiting-for-Armageddon

    The Doomsday Code (2006)
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6439295521791525424&hl=en#

    Armageddon waiting while getting involved in politics is a phenomenon we can't afford to ignore. The belief that God wants catastrophes is absurd and dangerous because the more things are getting bad, the more the End Timer has a moral duty to inaction and incompetence.
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    Post  newel Sat Jun 12, 2010 3:46 pm

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    Post  newel Sat Jun 12, 2010 6:55 pm

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2009/11/sarah-palin-and-the-rapture/30587/

    Sarah Palin and the Rapture

    Nov 20 2009, 1:23 PM ET

    Ever curious about the eschatological implications of that Sarah Palin quote from her interview with Barbara Walters -- the one in which she said she believes that "more and more Jewish people will be flocking to Israel in the days and weeks and months ahead" -- I called the executive director of the Pre-Trib Research Center at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va., Dr. Thomas Ice. The Pre-Trib Center is one of the preeminent evangelical institutions in this country arguing for literal Bible prophecy, and especially for pre-millenial dispensationalism, a complicated belief system that concerns the conditions that must obtain on Earth before Jesus can return ("Pre-Trib" is short for "pre-tribulation.") One of the more famous conditions, of course, is the ingathering of the Jewish people in Israel. There are hundreds of variations of Protestant prophetic belief, but the Jewish role is generally crucial; very dramatic things will happen to the Jews in these prophetic belief systems, including their conversion to Christianity and their mass death in the battle of Armageddon.

    I've been writing about these belief systems for a while, and an alarm bell went off in my head when I heard Palin talk about "days and weeks." It's quite one thing to say that Israel needs settlements to contain its growing population (a belief unsupported by the facts, but I'll deal with that another time), but it's something else entirely to predict that Jews in the Diaspora will imminently be flooding the Holy Land. I asked Dr. Ice if he thought that this statement by Palin, who has been exposed to this brand of evangelical thinking in her Alaska churches, was informed by these beliefs.

    "I've read that Palin has been part of an apparently unique movement I've heard of -- that her pastor, when she was in the Assembly of God, believed based on some personal revelation he claims to have gotten from God, that the Jews would move to Alaska during the Tribulation. But nevertheless, my understanding from what I've seen is that she holds fairly typical Protestant Zionist beliefs, and one of those beliefs is the regathering of the Jews in Israel."

    Ice told me he believes this sort of thinking is supported by the facts. "Over forty percent of the world's Jews now live in Israel. What Sarah Palin probably believes is that this is the first regathering," when the Jews all migrate to Israel. "This is a condition for the second regathering, the regathering in belief, when the Jewish nation is converted. Then there will be the battle of Armageddon, because remember, Satan wants to wipe out the Jews to prevent the Second Coming, but Jesus comes to rescue the beleaguered Jews. We believe that the Jews are going to be converted so that they can call on Jesus to rescue them from Satan."

    I asked Ice if he, like Palin, believes that in the days and weeks and months ahead, American Jews -- who make up the only sizable Jewish community still existing outside of Israel -- might move there, in order to establish the conditions necessary for the Second Coming. "The historical reason Jews move to Israel is persecution, so when persecution heats up in a country, then the Jews come to Israel," he said. "She may just have a general geopolitical belief that the world is going to be increasingly anti-Semitic."

    But what about America? I asked. "In case you haven't noticed, America is becoming less Christian, more secular, and it's our Puritan roots that have kept this country from being anti-Semitic. But now look at the secular left, it's very anti-Semitic. Look at the people who are surrounding Obama. They're very anti-Semitic. Things aren't as bad as they are in Europe, but it's getting much worse." The worse it gets for Jews in America, of course, the closer we are to the Second Coming.

    How common are these beliefs? I asked. "Fifty to sixty million people probably hold these beliefs," he said.
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    Post  mudra Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:19 pm

    This is most interesting Metaw .
    Thank you for this thread .

    I went through the first documentary you posted tonight .
    It really connected some dots for me .
    In the course of my research along 2012 I came to realize that a lot
    of the doom and gloom infos I was coming across seemed
    all to have been posted by what I came to call " fanatic Christians " .
    I now learned they are actually Fundamentalists .
    It 's been a real " revelation " to me to learn these people are so
    much having their focus on Israël and why ..and mostly how much
    they are waiting for complete chaos to take place .
    They are literally looking forward to see all these prophecies they have
    been fed with to take place as they are bringing them closer to their God
    and salvation.
    This is madness !
    I could'nt help thinking how happy they must be now with what's taking
    place in the Gulf of Mexico.
    At the same time the views they are holding felt to me like an echo to some
    of the things I heard in the New age stuff .
    Same agenda at play from another angle .

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    Post  SiriArc Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:10 am

    armageddon politics

    The "rule" of the righteous ones retarded ones


    http://www.metahistory.org/gnostique/tarbabyjesus/ArmageddonPolitics.php

    "It may come as a suprise to some people that god[z]'s plan involves the full-scale destruction of the planet we inhabit. In some bizarre manner, he, the creator god[z] and father of jesus, wants to destroy the world in order to save humanity — or a select portion of it, anyway. But then it makes sense that the supreme be[th]ing [relative to what] who 'created this world' [or so it says] has the right to annihilate it, doesn't it? It does to some people. And not just a few, either. The promise of a planetary holocaust is actually cherished by millions of god[z]-fearing christians around the world, and strategically anticipated by the politicians who 'lead' them." [like mindless cattle]

    See Also Or Search: Catastrophobia http://www.dianastone.com/catastrophobia.html
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    Post  Mercuriel Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:51 am

    Mind is Consciousness and Consciousness Rules Reality. The Observer changes that which is Observed...

    Over at least four Ages - They've wrote the Script - Promoted the Actors and Portrayers from Their own Bloodlines and Families - Built the Sets - All for the Time of Change at the End of One Age and the Beginning of the Next. A recycling of Playthings...

    Why ? Mind is Consciousness and Consciousness Rules Reality. They know this and so to have that which They seek - It is imperative that We (The Masses) have the conditioned Mentality - The lack of Abundance - The Hopelessness of thought in actually changing things for the better. They train Us to think It - We do and It comes to pass...

    Hence the latest Play - Armageddon - Har Meggiddo. For a long time this has occurred but no longer. Rise up Hominus Universalis and reclaim the Hope that We are and were always meant to be...

    Or not - But understand - We choose it or We don't choose It - And no One else does...

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    Post  newel Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:53 pm

    Thank you all for your replies.
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    Post  newel Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:03 pm

    http://www.keepisraelsafe.com/

    I don't know what to say. Just watch.

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    Post  mudra Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:52 am

    U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes
    Pentagon Supplier for Rifle Sights Says It Has 'Always' Added New Testament References

    By JOSEPH RHEE, TAHMAN BRADLEY and BRIAN ROSS
    Jan. 18, 2010


    Coded references to New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ are inscribed on high-powered rifle sights provided to the U.S. military by a Michigan company, an ABC News investigation has found.

    more at the link : http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794&page=3

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    Post  Carol Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:14 pm

    This type of "End Times" thinking always pisses me off because a number
    of these people who are poised and in positions to make things better
    don't. Bush was locked into that type of rigid paradigm ~ along
    with many other like-minded individuals who are fully engaged in
    perpetuating end times prophecy by their archaic in-action.

    If these idiots really wanted to help mankind they would put their
    intellect, time, talent and money behind free energy. I know of a fool
    proof way to feed everyone without pesticides, without soil, without
    contaminents and have healthy food (fruit, vegetables and fish) for
    consumption. Every one could eat and everyone with free energy
    would have a means to control their environment. These end-timers
    are the problem as they are entrenched into TPTB demonic agenda.


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    Post  Floyd Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:34 pm

    Carol wrote:This type of "End Times" thinking always pisses me off because a number
    of these people who are poised and in positions to make things better
    don't. Bush was locked into that type of rigid paradigm ~ along
    with many other like-minded individuals who are fully engaged in
    perpetuating end times prophecy by their archaic in-action.

    If these idiots really wanted to help mankind they would put their
    intellect, time, talent and money behind free energy. I know of a fool
    proof way to feed everyone without pesticides, without soil, without
    contaminents and have healthy food (fruit, vegetables and fish) for
    consumption. Every one could eat and everyone with free energy
    would have a means to control their environment. These end-timers
    are the problem as they are entrenched into TPTB demonic agenda.

    Nice Rant! Well said
    Cheers for posting the info metaw3
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    Post  Floyd Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:03 pm

    The stupidity of the American Christian fundamentalists is most alarming I find.
    That first video was almost vomit inducing to watch. I reccommend you guys watch this. Just bloody awful.
    Great post metaw3
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    Post  Anchor Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:59 pm

    Let's say that the planet will at some point in the nearish future reach an energetic tipping point and "ascend".

    Does that not, from some perspectives, represent destruction?

    Does this represent more than a small misunderstanding with very large consequences?

    "End-timers" represent a large body of people who follow rather than lead. Determining the significance of the problem requires an analysis of the way in which thier collective "intent" is manipulated.

    John..

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    Post  Floyd Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:54 am

    In some ways humans get a kick out of things ending. End timers suffer from a mass dose of Thanatos complex. Its away of coping with the curse of mortality (for those who have an existential or psycological problem with the inevitability of death).
    They wanna see it happen and they wanna see it hapen big.
    Regarding the cleansing of planet earth by cosmic evolutionary forces..that would be nice but if there was a pole shift or something like that dont tell me you wouldnt be crapping yourself.
    I used to get these recurring dreams years ago when the earth stopped spinning, stars collapses and everything flew from the earth. They were pretty terryfing. The best thing to do is aim all the nuclear weapons in the world at the fundemantalists and put them out of their misery.
    Amen praise the lord
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    Post  mudra Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:48 am

    Floyd wrote: The best thing to do is aim all the nuclear weapons in the world at the fundemantalists and put them out of their misery.

    No matter how I am turning this around do I see how this is the best thing to do...
    History is paved with wars and revenge and this will go on without end unless the problems we are having amongsts each other on a small or wide scale are tackled from a new point of awareness that transcends our old ways of looking at things through these dichotomies.
    The fanatics have had their age of glory during the middle ages .There is much more Light available today that the drama some are still holding to will be swept away by the rising collective awareness holding a clear and encompassing view of peace for all.

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    Post  Floyd Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:55 am

    mudra wrote:
    Floyd wrote: The best thing to do is aim all the nuclear weapons in the world at the fundemantalists and put them out of their misery.

    No matter how I am turning this around do I see how this is the best thing to do...
    History is paved with wars and revenge and this will go on without end unless the problems we are having amongsts each other on a small or wide scale are tackled from a new point of awareness that transcends our old ways of looking at things through these dichotomies.
    The fanatics have had their age of glory during the middle ages .There is much more Light available today that the drama some are still holding to will be swept away by the rising collective awareness holding a clear and encompassing view of peace for all.

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    Just a jocular figure of speach Mudras Mudras. I wouldnt really nuke the fundementalists. Just a few them maybe.
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    Post  Anchor Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:50 pm

    I would be quite happy with never having another nuclear explosion of any kind anywhere on our beautiful planet.

    It must really hurts her.

    We should not do it, nor should we think it.

    John..
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    Post  Floyd Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:26 am

    I agree. I wasnt really suggesting that all governments of nuclear nations should train their nuclear arsenal on the fundementalist Christian population of the United States in order to obliterate them.
    I didnt willfully intend a nuclear attack on the part of my consciousness into the magnetic aura of our planet.
    It was simply a way of saying if thats what they want..thats what they might get. Hence the sacrasm..'putting them out of their misery' seen as all they do is project it onto our planet with their Meggido fixation.
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    Post  Anchor Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:38 pm

    Floyd wrote:I didnt willfully intend a nuclear attack on the part of my consciousness into the magnetic aura of our planet.

    I know.

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    Post  mudra Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:17 am

    Floyd wrote:I agree. I wasnt really suggesting that all governments of nuclear nations should train their nuclear arsenal on the fundementalist Christian population of the United States in order to obliterate them.
    I didnt willfully intend a nuclear attack on the part of my consciousness into the magnetic aura of our planet.
    It was simply a way of saying if thats what they want..thats what they might get. Hence the sacrasm..'putting them out of their misery' seen as all they do is project it onto our planet with their Meggido fixation.
    Peace

    yes .. I understand this Floyd .
    I believe some beings will leave the game from the bottom while others will leave it from the very top.
    In my own experience and to my dismay I realized there is a fine line where the Love you flow to some they are unable to take .

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    Post  Jonah Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:21 am

    Floyd wrote:In some ways humans get a kick out of things ending. End timers suffer from a mass dose of Thanatos complex. Its away of coping with the curse of mortality (for those who have an existential or psycological problem with the inevitability of death).
    They wanna see it happen and they wanna see it hapen big.
    Regarding the cleansing of planet earth by cosmic evolutionary forces..that would be nice but if there was a pole shift or something like that dont tell me you wouldnt be crapping yourself.
    I used to get these recurring dreams years ago when the earth stopped spinning, stars collapses and everything flew from the earth. They were pretty terryfing. The best thing to do is aim all the nuclear weapons in the world at the fundemantalists and put them out of their misery.
    Amen praise the lord

    Floyd,
    Perhaps we should stop blaming someone else and start fixing ourselves first... when enough of us have done that than yes ... put in place we all shall be...
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    Post  mudra Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:43 am

    Jonah wrote:

    Floyd,
    Perhaps we should stop blaming someone else and start fixing ourselves first... when enough of us have done that than yes ... put in place we all shall be...

    Thinking of what you said .. Self is probably the only place where we can always improve things.
    I may be helpless towards others at times but my garden I can always attend.

    Thank you.

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    Post  Floyd Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:03 pm

    Jonah wrote:
    Floyd wrote:In some ways humans get a kick out of things ending. End timers suffer from a mass dose of Thanatos complex. Its away of coping with the curse of mortality (for those who have an existential or psycological problem with the inevitability of death).
    They wanna see it happen and they wanna see it hapen big.
    Regarding the cleansing of planet earth by cosmic evolutionary forces..that would be nice but if there was a pole shift or something like that dont tell me you wouldnt be crapping yourself.
    I used to get these recurring dreams years ago when the earth stopped spinning, stars collapses and everything flew from the earth. They were pretty terryfing. The best thing to do is aim all the nuclear weapons in the world at the fundemantalists and put them out of their misery.
    Amen praise the lord

    Floyd,
    Perhaps we should stop blaming someone else and start fixing ourselves first... when enough of us have done that than yes ... put in place we all shall be...

    I dont think its a question of blame, rather looking at something and then seeing what it is. It is feasable to work on ones self and to see what is wrong in the world at the same time. Realistically we do not live in a world where everthing works out because the entire population is working on self.
    Nice idea but it just doesnt world like that.


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    Post  Jonah Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:35 pm

    Floyd wrote:
    Jonah wrote:
    Floyd wrote:In some ways humans get a kick out of things ending. End timers suffer from a mass dose of Thanatos complex. Its away of coping with the curse of mortality (for those who have an existential or psycological problem with the inevitability of death).
    They wanna see it happen and they wanna see it hapen big.
    Regarding the cleansing of planet earth by cosmic evolutionary forces..that would be nice but if there was a pole shift or something like that dont tell me you wouldnt be crapping yourself.
    I used to get these recurring dreams years ago when the earth stopped spinning, stars collapses and everything flew from the earth. They were pretty terryfing. The best thing to do is aim all the nuclear weapons in the world at the fundemantalists and put them out of their misery.
    Amen praise the lord

    Floyd,
    Perhaps we should stop blaming someone else and start fixing ourselves first... when enough of us have done that than yes ... put in place we all shall be...

    I dont think its a question of blame, rather looking at something and then seeing what it is. It feasable to work on ones self and to see what is wrong in the world at the same time. Realistically we do not live in a world where everthing works out because the entire population is working on self.
    Nice idea but it just doesnt worl like that.

    Floyd... my final response will be.... that it does work like that..... people can be told how to believe whatever they want.... My intentional focus and goal is to make sure everything works out as it is allowed to... but you can go on living however you/they choose..

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