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**Carol** Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:53 pm

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Carol Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:53 pm

greybeard wrote:

Carol wrote:

greybeard wrote:There is the appearance of the wave, who can deny that the wave is water.

or is it just energy that can become anything?

The formless becomes the form -- any form.
I know you know Carol smiling

A good "definition"
We are form --formless -- both and neither.

Chris

Actually I'm laughing Chris - as there aren't that many people I could have this type of discussion with. Less then a handful.

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greybeard Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:03 pm

Well we must continue Carol.
Similarly a handful on line and less in face to face "reality"
I dont follow anyone now but the greatest respect for the love flowing through "Mooji"
Chris

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Post n°378

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Ashera Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:23 pm

That an experience of singularity is ad infinitum is a definition, the same is valid for this quality seen as "god consciouness".

Individuation has but nothing to do with the (social) ego, but with "I"; I mentioned Freud's "dual drive fate".

Either one is a singularity or one is not! It is self-abduction - who should witness or observe this, and how? Singularity outs by its zero probable actions. Finally the weapons speak... One hardly can interpret individuation as "primordial soup"..., just the contrary: it is no "micro quantum vacuum state", and it is not out of space and time...

Concerning the wave, is salt or sweet water meant? Water in general?

Energy cannot become anything... energy without form simply does not exist. There is no energy "per se"!

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**Carol** Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:31 pm

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Carol Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:31 pm

Ashera wrote:That an experience of singularity is ad infinitum is a definition, the same is valid for this quality seen as "god consciouness".

Individuation has but nothing to do with the (social) ego, but with "I"; I mentioned Freud's "dual drive fate".

Either one is a singularity or one is not! It is self-abduction - who should witness or observe this, and how? Singularity outs by its zero probable actions. Finally the weapons speak... One hardly can interpret individuation as "primordial soup"..., just the contrary: it is no "micro quantum vacuum state", and it is not out of space and time...

Concerning the wave, is salt or sweet water meant? Water in general?

Energy cannot become anything... energy without form simply does not exist. There is no energy "per se"!

How would you describe a galactic wave or quantum physics? What about the gamma radiation blasts to earth from outer space? What is the cause of something like this? Are they not waves?

The wave is motion (energy). Neither sweet or salty.

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With deepest respect ~ Aloha & Mahalo, Carol

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Ashera Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:35 pm

One should tell dead from living things - and I am a living thing!

Sura 21:30 - Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?

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Carol Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:36 pm

greybeard wrote:Well we must continue Carol.
Similarly a handful on line and less in face to face "reality"
I dont follow anyone now but the greatest respect for the love flowing through "Mooji"
Chris

I don't follow anyone now either Chris. I just enjoy soaking in the energy from 100 ft (plus) tall pine tree forest that surround our meadow next to the year round creek. Life is good when dwelling upon earth's paradise.

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With deepest respect ~ Aloha & Mahalo, Carol

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Carol Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:41 pm

Ashera wrote:One should tell dead from living things - and I am a living thing!

One would think so Ashera. Alive is good. Consciousness never dies. Dead is inert matter which no longer has movement or motion (without consciousness) - hence dead matter decays/thanatos.

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Ashera Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:41 pm

Thus did We Plan and how excellent is Our planning! Ah woe, that Day, to the Rejecters of Truth! Made We not the earth to be a housing? Both for the living and the dead; set We not therein soaring mountains? Sated you with sweetest water? Woe that day unto those who cry it lies!

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greybeard Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:45 pm

Spirituality a different ball game.
Formless prior to everything.
Energy has form it can be measured.
Formless is NOthing

We could go on forever and not get it.

Non duality is literally That. One without a second.
Timeless.
No subject no object.
Duality has a hard time with this.
Eckhart Tolle said "There never was anyone thereto harm you"
Duality replies "The world is out to get me"
Time being we have to "progress" as best we can.
Not progress --its removal neity neity.
Nasargadatta very clear
Chris

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Carol Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:55 pm

greybeard wrote:Spirituality a different ball game.
Formless prior to everything.
Energy has form it can be measured.
Formless is NOthing

We could go on forever and not get it.

Non duality is literally That. One without a second.
Timeless.
No subject no object.
Duality has a hard time with this.
Eckhart Tolle said "There never was anyone thereto harm you"
Duality replies "The world is out to get me"
Time being we have to "progress" as best we can.
Not progress --its removal neity neity.
Nasargadatta very clear
Chris

And to experience one's consciousness (beyond body/mind) is to experience that one's spiritual essence is Formless, is NOthing.

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With deepest respect ~ Aloha & Mahalo, Carol

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greybeard Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:00 pm

Im enjoying this conversation but have to go time being.
Most fun I have had in a while.
Like minds etc.
Chris

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Ashera Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:01 pm

There is no "we", Greybeard! I rain droplet tells... I never had your "oceanic" feelings...This was the theme of an elementary school essay, and it qualified me for higher merits...

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greybeard Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:08 pm

Ashera wrote:There is no "we", Greybeard! I rain droplet tells... I never had your "oceanic" feelings...

A yes butt where does the raindrop originate from?
Does not the ocean evaporate, become a cloud --rain drop --eventually finds its way back to the ocean (of consciousness) Which it never really left. Endless cycle --till !!!!
Good listening to you Ashera
Now Im away
Chris

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Ashera Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:15 pm

I any case a rain drop is sweet water...

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greybeard Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:57 pm

Every one's path is valid.
Im tempted to say the Divine knows what suits the individual the most and leads them accordingly.

For myself I know little now, once upon a time I could have quoted with certainty.
Now I'm content to be without expectation or anticipation.
In simplicity the Divine got me this far against all odds -- mainly egoic -- and who knows where "That" is going,
Chris

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Ashera Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:24 pm

Everyone must forge their own path to truth, and the outcome is not equality if it is qualitative and not socially overtexted. Then one had a colourful society of differences, and most probably a two-step caste culture.

The Yorubas say that certainty is only a certain view on uncertainty.

I also expect nothing anymore because things happened to me that I never imagined. My honesty and scientific integrity were socially classified as mad and democratically sanctified. But maybe I am the harvester driver: aftermath.

I prefer the term "pure" to simple. Where all this goes? I hope that not bombs as ploughshares are needed.

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**Carol** Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:22 pm

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Carol Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:22 pm

Ashera wrote:I any case a rain drop is sweet water...

and pure as well.

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With deepest respect ~ Aloha & Mahalo, Carol

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greybeard Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:26 pm

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greybeard Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:26 pm

Carol wrote:

Ashera wrote:I any case a rain drop is sweet water...

and pure as well.

Yes we are pure.
Chris

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Carol Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:26 pm

greybeard wrote:Every one's path is valid.
Im tempted to say the Divine knows what suits the individual the most and leads them accordingly.

For myself I know little now, once upon a time I could have quoted with certainty.
Now I'm content to be without expectation or anticipation.
In simplicity the Divine got me this far against all odds -- mainly egoic -- and who knows where "That" is going,
Chris

Chris, I can so relate to this. I was just commenting to spouse earlier today that we are in a slow decline on our life path. Must be our age. Whereas, when it starts to slip and slide we're on our way out the door to the other side.

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With deepest respect ~ Aloha & Mahalo, Carol

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mudra Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:26 am

Good to see old friends gathering in the Mists once again sunny

Welcome back Chris Hugs

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greybeard Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:00 am

mudra wrote:Good to see old friends gathering in the Mists once again
Welcome back Chris

Less of the old Lol
Not so much to say these days Mudra.
Single again but best friends with all.
Love Chris

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mudra Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:41 am

greybeard wrote:

mudra wrote:Good to see old friends gathering in the Mists once again
Welcome back Chris

Less of the old Lol

Age didn't pass on that picture of yours Chris :)

Not so much to say these days Mudra.

Silence is All.
Words at times point to this and at others move one away from it.

Single again but best friends with all.

I remember you telling me being single again Chris.
I hope you do appreciate the freedom this brings.
I have been single for over 20 years now and feel happy the way things are.

Be well.

Love Chris

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greybeard Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:21 am

What we are seeing in this world is ego driven.
TPTB believe they know best.

The public is not trusted to know what to do if they are ill.
We do not lockdown the whole world with a testing device not fit for purpose.
But they have caused unmeasurable harm to all.

Their motives ego driven -- the ego loves to control.
Chris

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greybeard Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:10 am

THE SIGNS OF IMMANENT FREEDOM - THE TRUTH IS - Papaji - Disciple of Ramana - Audiobook - Lomakayu

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greybeard Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:53 am

Powerful Explanation of Theory of Everything

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