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    Post  NANUXII Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:20 pm

    greybeard wrote:All posts are welcome

    Thanks for your contribution.


    Thank you Chris ,


    Question : do you think holding a grudge is a form of bad ego ?
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    Post  greybeard Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:25 pm

    NANUXII wrote:
    greybeard wrote:All posts are welcome

    Thanks for your contribution.


    Thank you Chris ,


    Question : do you think holding a grudge is a form of bad ego ?  

    Hi Nanu
    I think to be practical is to accept that yes genuinely you were hurt but it is not helpful to have a grudge.
    Who is the grudge hurting but yourself.
    If some one else is holding a grudge then they have to deal with it.

    Yes the ego want to take everything so personal.
    As one grows spiritually then you are less inclined to be hurt--there is an acceptance of what is.
    This moment you can sometimes do something about --a few minutes ago is already history it cant be changed only let go of as the best option.

    Hope this helps.

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    Post  JoeEcho Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:26 am

    greybeard wrote:Hi Joe
    good to see you here.
    I'm on holiday in Skye at the moment--giving the ego a rest--smiling.
    Love Chris

    Ego giving ego a rest? Isn't that like congress voting themselves a raise?

    Ego, the consummate comedian. LOL
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    Post  greybeard Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:32 am

    JoeEcho wrote:
    greybeard wrote:Hi Joe
    good to see you here.
    I'm on holiday in Skye at the moment--giving the ego a rest--smiling.
    Love Chris

    Ego giving ego a rest? Isn't that like congress voting themselves a raise?

    Ego, the consummate comedian. LOL

    Yes indeed.
    Mine is like a pet dog--it follows me around but it does not belong to me..
    Sometimes it gets out to play--and then !!!!
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    Post  greybeard Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:31 am

    Been a while

    Hello Joe
    Thanks to Mudra
    Love Chris


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    Post  greybeard Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:28 am

    "Its Coming! Are You Prepared For This?" David Icke



    Been a while since I posted but this is important to share
    Love to all here
    Never forgotten.
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    Post  Ashera Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:44 am

    Ashera wrote:

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    The consciousness of a self as a self; the I is the centre of the self

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    Quinn (Great Qinn was Rome) might have be an a**hole but what he unmistakingly realized was that no one could take in his brain, mind, or place, and he not the one of any other - he had reached self-consciousness and hunted for longevity.

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    Post  greybeard Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:09 am

    My field of expertise was psychology (Hypnotherapy NLP Psychotherapy)
    Hence I am well aware of agenda, motivation,conditioning -- perceived pay value.
    EGO
    Aware of my own too, so restrict to the best of my ability.
    I see repetition, memes, subtle devaluation of professionals on u tube

    In the media this is very evident to a retired professional like me.
    But not so to Joe average --they see it as truth not propaganda.

    Funnily enough some of the best psychological advice is to be found in spiritual text.
    "You are never angry for the reason you think you are" ACIM

    It takes experience to look beyond the presenting anger and see what lies there, yet I dont make assumptions,
    Its up to people to investigate what they present to the world-- very few do.
    Most make the same mistakes over and over without seeing a pattern.
    The ego would rather be responsible for the death of its host than be proved wrong

    The third eye has to do with pattern recognition.
    Intuition not to be dismissed lightly.
    People feel something is far wrong.
    However the ego will protect the current belief system.

    I know very intelligent people who do not see through the the official narrative.
    In UK the meme is GET TESTED SAVE LIVES CONTROL THE VIRUS

    The NWO is driven by an agenda -- Their collective ego is for population reduction the The Georgia Guide Stones probably their work.

    So I hope now the focus goes on what is happening now in the world rather than taking for granted the Government knows best
    Where is all this leading to, what can we do about it?
    Dont acquiesce.
    For UK people

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442/

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    Post  Carol Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:48 pm

    Hi Chris. Thanks for the link. It seems we have a similar background and are the same age.

    Here's the transcript of David Ick's video. Cheers Flowers

    00:03
    one of the great targets
    00:05
    is the heart i'm not talking about the
    00:07
    physical art though they are connected
    00:09
    i'm talking about the the heart vortex
    00:11
    within the human energy field
    00:13
    um the heart chakra or wheel of light as
    00:16
    they call it in the east
    00:18
    and and you know we think of love in a
    00:21
    certain way
    00:22
    uh being attracted to somebody or loving
    00:25
    your kids
    00:26
    but actually what i'm talking about and
    00:29
    i talk about this a lot in
    00:30
    the answer it's very different it
    00:32
    includes that of course
    00:34
    but but but love in its true sense
    00:38
    does not say i want the best for my kids
    00:41
    although we do of course we do it says i
    00:44
    want the best for everybody
    00:47
    and when you open this
    00:51
    it's not just love in the sense that
    00:55
    people
    00:55
    perceive it it opens you
    00:59
    to infinity it's our connection
    01:03
    to all that is has been and ever can be
    01:07
    and through that connection you
    01:10
    um have insight
    01:13
    you have um knowing this is this
    01:18
    when people have intuitive knowing where
    01:20
    do their hands go
    01:21
    look mate i just know i just know
    01:24
    this knows because it does know because
    01:26
    it's connected to that which does know
    01:29
    and when you open your heart
    01:33
    you're opening your connection
    01:38
    to a level of awareness
    01:42
    that allows you first of all to see the
    01:44
    connections
    01:45
    because you're coming from that level
    01:46
    where everything is one therefore you
    01:48
    can see the connections in the reality
    01:50
    you're experiencing
    01:52
    one definition i would give for
    01:56
    this kind of love is the absence of fear
    02:01
    i would call evil the absence of love i
    02:03
    think that's what evil is the absence of
    02:05
    love
    02:06
    you infuse um love into evil
    02:09
    it's not evil anymore it's absence of
    02:12
    love and
    02:13
    this is what this cult is it's the
    02:14
    absence of love that's why it does what
    02:15
    it does
    02:17
    it's also the absence of fear
    02:20
    because once you once you open to this
    02:22
    insight this self-identity
    02:25
    you know there's nothing to fear
    02:30
    because whatever happens whatever
    02:32
    experiences we're having there'll be
    02:33
    another one along in a minute
    02:36
    we are always an expression a
    02:39
    point of attention within all that is
    02:41
    has been and ever can be
    02:44
    and however bad the experience we're
    02:46
    currently having that is what we
    02:48
    always are all that is has been and ever
    02:52
    can be
    02:53
    um this does not fear
    02:57
    this will always do what it knows to be
    03:00
    right
    03:02
    and therefore does not consider
    03:05
    consequences
    03:06
    for doing what it knows to be right
    03:09
    because it would never consider
    03:12
    doing anything but what it knows to be
    03:14
    right thus
    03:15
    consequences are irrelevant
    03:19
    this says i'd like to do this but what
    03:23
    are the consequences and you'll always
    03:24
    find a list of
    03:25
    consequences why you wouldn't do it this
    03:27
    says
    03:28
    i do what i know to be right
    03:31
    consequences therefore
    03:33
    are not even a conversation
    03:37
    and one of the great fears that people
    03:39
    have
    03:40
    well it's the foundation fear i think is
    03:42
    the fear of the unknown which manifests
    03:44
    as the fear of death
    03:46
    and the manipulation of the fear of
    03:47
    death is the manipulation of this
    03:49
    pandemic
    03:50
    it's where people have been frozen in
    03:52
    fear because they fear death
    03:54
    it's why doctors have so much power well
    03:58
    actually
    03:58
    you are all that is has been and ever
    04:00
    can be and always will be you're just
    04:01
    having a brief experience
    04:04
    so this is without fear it doesn't
    04:07
    consider
    04:08
    consequences but what i mean by that is
    04:10
    it it knows that if you cross the road
    04:12
    in front of
    04:13
    a truck you're going to get damaged but
    04:15
    i mean consequences of
    04:17
    what will people do or think or say
    04:19
    about me what will happen to me
    04:20
    for doing what i know to be right
    04:22
    doesn't even consider those consequences
    04:23
    i never consider them
    04:25
    because to consider them is to consider
    04:26
    not doing what i know to be right
    04:28
    not having it because you reach this
    04:31
    point of connection
    04:33
    and this point of insight you know i'm
    04:35
    not sitting cross-legged on a mountain
    04:36
    like a buddha
    04:37
    anyone can do this it's our natural
    04:39
    state
    04:40
    we're being manipulated into an
    04:42
    unnatural state this is what i'm
    04:43
    describing is our natural state
    04:46
    um when you um when you open your heart
    04:49
    you know that death is
    04:52
    nothing except a
    04:56
    transfer of attention it's all it is
    05:00
    i've got a picture in in the answer and
    05:03
    it's of a
    05:03
    a bloke um with a a headset you know a
    05:07
    virtual reality headset and he's just
    05:09
    taking it off and looking around
    05:11
    and i put a caption underneath my god
    05:14
    i've just died
    05:15
    because that is what death is basically
    05:18
    it's taking the headset off it's it's
    05:23
    moving out of this brief experience into
    05:25
    the
    05:26
    expansive true self so when you open
    05:29
    this
    05:30
    all this comes to you you know all this
    05:34
    and therefore this
    05:37
    would never
    05:40
    never be intimidated
    05:43
    by authority seeking to impose itself
    05:47
    upon you when you know it's not
    05:50
    justified it's about destroying your
    05:52
    freedom this is freedom
    05:56
    it's the freedom of knowing that the the
    05:59
    scale
    06:00
    of who we really are it's the freedom of
    06:04
    connecting with all that
    06:05
    is i tell you when if if when there's a
    06:09
    revolution of this
    06:11
    acquiescence will stop this would never
    06:14
    acquiesce
    06:16
    to impositions on freedom never do it
    06:18
    always
    06:19
    does what it knows to be right this is
    06:22
    the revolution
    06:24
    um and the heart is the center of
    06:26
    everything and people talk about the
    06:28
    physical heart okay
    06:29
    but but but if you go back what they're
    06:32
    really talking about is this
    06:34
    heart the energetic heart um the
    06:37
    connection
    06:39
    out there and you look at all the things
    06:42
    all the symbolism through the aegis and
    06:45
    still today
    06:47
    relating to this open heart
    06:51
    heart of stone broken heart
    06:55
    all that you look at all this the
    06:57
    phrases relating to the heart
    07:00
    and and it's because this is the center
    07:02
    of everything
    07:04
    and we we've been manipulated to think
    07:06
    this is the center of everything it's
    07:08
    not
    07:08
    do you know that the heart is the the
    07:10
    biggest electromagnetic field most
    07:12
    powerful electromagnetic field in the
    07:14
    body
    07:15
    and this when it's open um
    07:19
    dominates the head what do people say
    07:22
    all the time
    07:23
    what does your head say okay what does
    07:26
    your heart say
    07:28
    and they take very different things
    07:30
    because this
    07:31
    is out there and this is down here
    07:34
    and uh when this opens everything uh
    07:37
    changes because
    07:38
    you change everything about you changes
    07:41
    it's what happened to me a long time ago
    07:43
    and changed my life and everyone can
    07:45
    access this whenever they want
    07:47
    any any time they want and and
    07:50
    what i would say is ditch
    07:54
    the bloody labels stop
    07:57
    identifying with labels they are a brief
    08:01
    experience even your name is a brief
    08:04
    experience you are the consciousness
    08:09
    having the experience so when someone
    08:12
    says to you who are you
    08:15
    you are all that is has has been it ever
    08:17
    can be having an experience
    08:20
    what you call yourself if when you if
    08:23
    you if you meet someone
    08:24
    and people say who are you they'll give
    08:26
    you their name
    08:27
    they'll give you their job they might
    08:29
    give you their family background that
    08:31
    their family history where they went to
    08:33
    school
    08:34
    that's what they're saying they are who
    08:36
    are you
    08:38
    but that's just what they've experienced
    08:41
    who am i all that is has been and ever
    08:43
    can be
    08:44
    having an experience called david ike
    08:47
    very brief
    08:48
    very interesting the point of attention
    08:50
    that i am
    08:51
    is an expression of the same
    08:53
    consciousness that the point of
    08:54
    attention
    08:56
    that you are is and the same with all of
    08:59
    us
    08:59
    so racism
    09:03
    and all these isms
    09:06
    and all these divisions
    09:09
    not only undesirable they are
    09:14
    confirmation that those that go
    09:18
    down that road are utterly clueless
    09:22
    about the nature of reality and the
    09:24
    nature of who they really
    09:26
    are and i see anti-racists
    09:31
    who are utterly utterly obsessed with
    09:34
    race
    09:36
    uh when it's just a brief
    09:40
    experience that's all it is
    09:43
    you are what is having the experience
    09:46
    and when we when that penny drops and
    09:48
    this
    09:49
    as a result opens game over


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    With deepest respect ~ Aloha & Mahalo, Carol

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:16 am

    The quoted posts were from 2012, and I just added the videos in 2020. Dr. Norman Vincent Peale was Donald Trump's Pastor, and I was there at the Crystal Cathedral when Dr. Peale was the featured speaker. Around that time, I wondered aloud what a Robert H. Schuller Presidency would look like!! Honest!! Little did I know what would happen in 2016-2020!! OMG!! What are the strengths and weaknesses of Peale and Schuller relative to Trump and Pence?? What are the implications and ramifications of the Century of the Self documentary relative to the 21st century??
    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    devakas wrote:
    orthodoxymoron wrote:I haven't been following this thread, but I thought I'd suggest reading the books by Dr. Robert H. Schuller -- regarding the ego and the self. I actually prefered reading his material, as opposed to hearing it. I agreed with 95% of what he said and wrote -- yet there was something very wrong in Garden Grove. I'd like to see what a Positive Response-Ability Based Crystal Cathedral Ministry might look like. Think long and hard about THAT!
    if me Ortho, than I would say I do not have time. Also I realized that there is a Book written to every person in this world. Nobody is left without knowledge as it would be not fair, agree? Just we need to find it for ourselves. I believe in absolute truth, some think they create truth. or think that all is random. again look at the flowers...

    i think everybody agrees you are most loveble person in mists.

    I love you
    Thank-you devakas. A lot of research seems to involve spinning one's wheels -- wherein we are 'always learning, but never achieving a knowledge of the truth'. Nature is extremely important in all of this. Reading 'Move Ahead with Possibility Thinking' by Dr. Schuller, while laying in the sands of Newport Beach was at least as much fun as attending a service at the Crystal Cathedral. Unfortunately I don't think life is fair, and I don't think life cares. We are not born into a nice world and a level playing field, with ethical players and referees. Some of the fans even throw stones and stab us in the back. In this lawless world we live in, I absolutely believe in absolutes!

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    Post  Ashera Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:58 am

    Ashera wrote:

    She writes that I am so and so old, knows my academic qualifications vaguely because she repressed the central part (could not get it) and treats me as if I was so 16 years old...

    In some cases "twin phenomenon" is rather a metaphor, used to signify more or less recent "social double-slit experiments". Taking the idea of the observer created universe into consideration also the objectivity of the physically measured is to question...

    I never gave up the original idea of the "dual drive fate" that Sigmund Freud originally had because the anthropological data supported that. This what is sometimes diagnosed as "schizophrenia" is in certain cases factually the by socialization repressed personality

    As I explained it sometimes already - the schizogenic super-ego... this expertise reveals the syndrome clearly. One can mostly reduce it to this simple sentence: I love you but I do not like you... this is a typical parental double-bind to produce obedience

    Socialization represses the "I" for the sake of a "social ego". The LORD one could call the "super-ego", and this is the parental adult state. The way of the "I" is quite different.

    "I would characterize our recent state between capitalism and communism as “adult state” of a certain type of living social systems, the mass or inertia type. The multi-layered world model is not valid here; instead an explosive mixture, a vaguely codified centralized chaos (tohuwabohu) is effective. And, the respective center wants to be mirrored in any theory or praxis, slowing down any individual intention or self-dynamics close to zero."

    https://asheraxonline.tumblr.com/post/63163313663/a-participant-universe
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    Post  greybeard Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:34 am

    Hi Carol
    thanks for the resume on David Icke video
    Im not sure whereto put this one please shift or advise.
    All lies are down to ego taking up a position.
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    Post  Carol Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:45 pm

    Ego tends to get active when out and about with people. Being a self-imposed recluse helps to keep it tampered down where it can't be out mucking about getting into trouble.



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    Post  Ashera Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:46 am

    The only way out is individuation.

    Btw.: I give to Save the Children every month from my small money for many years now.

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    Post  greybeard Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:25 pm

    Carol wrote:Ego tends to get active when out and about with people. Being a self-imposed recluse helps to keep it tampered down where it can't be out mucking about getting into trouble.


    Yes Carol
    Best definition Ive heard of Ego came from the late Dr David Hawkins.
    "Ego is identification with the story of me"
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    Post  Carol Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:39 pm

    Ashera wrote:The only way out is individuation.

    Btw.: I give to Save the Children every month from my small money for many years now.

    You're right on target Ashera and you have a good/kind heart. Hadriel


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    Post  greybeard Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:25 am

    n AA you have to know you are licked before you begin to recover --
    The recovery is not down to the individual but belief in a Higher Power.
    Surrender the answer.
    The ego does not get that.
    "Acts happen
    Deeds are done
    There is no individual doer there of"
    There is apparent free will in duality
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    Post  Ashera Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:53 am

    It is not a "higher power" but the "Fire from Within"

    Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The example of His light is like a niche within which is a lamp, the lamp is within glass, the glass as if it were a pearly [white] star lit from [the oil of] a blessed olive tree, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil would almost glow even if untouched by fire. Light upon light. Allah guides to His light whom He wills. And Allah presents examples for the people, and Allah is Knowing of all things.
    - Sura Al Nur (The Light) 24:35


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    Post  greybeard Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:23 am

    Ashera wrote:It is not a "higher power" but the "Fire from Within"

    Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The example of His light is like a niche within which is a lamp, the lamp is within glass, the glass as if it were a pearly [white] star lit from [the oil of] a blessed olive tree, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil would almost glow even if untouched by fire. Light upon light. Allah guides to His light whom He wills. And Allah presents examples for the people, and Allah is Knowing of all things.
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    Yes thats true-- I used Higher Power as thats how AA defines it.
    My belief is non-duality --One without a second
    Advaita Vedanta.
    You could say there is nowhere that "God" is not.
    God is a word-- I prefer Divine energy.



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    Post  Ashera Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:09 am

    Sura 36
    Glory be to the One Who created all in pairs of what grows on the earth and themselves, and of what they know not. And a Sign for them is the night. We withdraw from it the day. But behold! They are those in darkness. And the sun runs to a term appointed for it. That is the Decree of Allah All-Mighty, the All-Knowing!
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    H2O <> H3O

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    Post  greybeard Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:14 pm

    Dr. Andrew Kaufman: COVID Reveals Pathology of Scientific Materialism & Need to (re)THINK Health

    A lot worth thinking about.
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    Post  Carol Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:04 am

    An experience of singularity is to experience 'god consciousness' in its ad infinitum (without end or limit). There really are no words that can define this experience as it does not exist within the confines of the mind but only in the context of spirit.

    Individuation is different as it's more the merging of various aspects of ego where one becomes 'whole' as in self-realization which can or cannot include the experience of singularity.

    In Jungian psychology
    In Jungian psychology, also called analytical psychology, individuation is the process where the individual self develops out of an undifferentiated unconscious – seen as a developmental psychic process during which innate elements of personality, the components of the immature psyche, and the experiences of the person's life become, if the process is more or less successful, integrated over time into a well-functioning whole.[citation needed] Other psychoanalytic theorists describe it as the stage where an individual transcends group attachment and narcissistic self-absorption.[5]


    In physics
    Two quantum entangled particles cannot be understood independently. Two or more states in quantum superposition, e.g., as in Schrödinger's cat being simultaneously dead and alive, is mathematically not the same as assuming the cat is in an individual alive state with 50% probability. The Heisenberg's uncertainty principle says that complementary variables, such as position and momentum, cannot both be precisely known – in some sense, they are not individual variables. A natural criterion of individuality has been suggested.[10]


    The experience of singularity is best describe in quantum physics terms. One is both the dew drop while simultaneously experiencing cosmic oceanic consciousness. There is no me, or you. No we. One's conscious awareness just IS, similar to a fractal in constant unfolding movement where all knowledge exists in a primordial soup so-to-speak. In this state of awareness ego is non-existent. It's to small to contain an ever unfolding expansion of awareness. It can only be the observer/witness to a bigger reality that exists outside of the realm time and space.


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    Post  greybeard Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:24 am

    There is the appearance of the wave, who can deny that the wave is water.

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    Post  Carol Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:43 pm

    greybeard wrote:There is the appearance of the wave, who can deny that the wave is water.

    or is it just energy that can become anything?


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    Post  greybeard Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:50 pm

    Carol wrote:
    greybeard wrote:There is the appearance of the wave, who can deny that the wave is water.


    or is it just energy that can become anything?

    The formless becomes the form -- any form.
    I know you know Carol smiling

    A good "definition"
    We are form --formless -- both and neither.

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