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    Archangelic Queens of Heaven and the United States of the Solar System

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    Post  devakas Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:52 pm

    orthodoxymoron wrote:

    devakas, that was a cool video -- in a somewhat creepy and disturbing way.

    My theological problem is that I seem to be second-guessing very powerful forces who do not wish to be second-guessed and/or exposed -- for legitimate and/or illegitimate reasons -- I know not. I am left to speculate about some very frightening subjects and possibilities. Things could potentially be a million different ways -- and how can a completely ignorant fool know which of those million possibilities is REALITY??? I've been modeling some very disturbing possibilities -- but I have no way of knowing whether I'm even close to the truth. I have no idea what reality is -- past, present, and future. Everything is a Great Big Question-Mark. I continue to seek understanding -- rather than condemnation and retribution. Who knows?? The universe might be trying to get-even with me??!! I keep sensing that I'm in more trouble than most -- even though I've been pretty much a know-nothing and do-nothing kind of guy. I continue to wonder if I've been hamstrung with reincarnational-baggage and nefarious-entities.



    Something has been, and continues to be, very wrong with me -- going back to childhood. I seem to be a marked-fool. The horror.




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    again one may become victim of his own propaganda...

    humans intoxicate themselves into untrue easy

    I agree video seems dark in revelation as in this thread kind a...

    We should look for this who does not have conflicts, who is heavy in knowledge, who is realized and lives by the realized instructions, who has knowledge the same that god, who is follower and most dear servent of god, who can answer questions why star in sky, why i suffer in this world, who is realized and who has power from god, who walks the talk, who teaches nature law, energies of nature, teaches tolerance in nature, who is more tolerant than tree, who saves from weakness, who teaches how not to go crazy in this 'material' world, how not to go crazy in the absurdity of the world, who teaches not to loose intelligence even mind is lost, who liberates fallen soul from misery and lifts up to imortality, who teaches all not perfect to follow perfect, who teaches not to be afraid, not to attach to material world, not to own matterial world, not to have anger (depressed=supresed inner), not to get into untoxication of untrue, how not only be sincere, it is not enough, but truthful (most important), how to bow to those who are transperant and will not hold the pride, who hold the unique post, who carries god message, who transpars (spelling?) instructions directly from god, who teaches that we do not belong to ufo or our leaders so called. Who teaches our duties prescribed by god, who reveals that our souls are attractive to devotional service because the most important for soul is relationship and when we minimize our desires, mind projections, that makes sense, makes sense to everyone. A service supports relationship concept doesn't it?. Who teaches not to get involved in stupid industries, who teaches not to get involved in science without god, as there is something more than that, something more..., who removes our pride to see in nature many things that are hard to believe... who teaches that god could be understood by sound, that prayer is medicine by ears....

    And who teaches that we humans are not qualified to rule the world (galaxies in your case), to control others, to use others to fight others.

    i should stop....

    we are living in ocean of false

    Namaste
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:41 pm

    Thank-you devakas. I tend to think that living a disciplined life is the solution to a lot of problems. This discipline can involve work, play, and prayer -- regardless of the line of work, the games we play, or the gods we reverence. I like the concept of:

    WORK HARD ---- PLAY HARD ---- PRAY HARD ---- WHY IS THIS SO HARD?
    So, have the industrial and technological "advances" of the past 200 years made us safer and happier?? Is the world more beautiful and pristine than it was 200 years ago?? An elderly and frail person who I know quite well was recently pulled aside at an airport inspection point, and examined for explosive residue. No one else was pulled aside. This individual is a model citizen, who is constantly involved in doing good for others, and who probably has no more than three or four traffic tickets since the 1940's. They are as clean as clean can be -- EXCEPT that they talk to me regularly on the phone -- and I post radical concepts on the internet -- THEREFORE guilt by association. Who knows what I might do??? Who knows what those who know me might do???? Never can tell...

    I am very apprehensive and uneasy regarding the subject of governance -- human or otherwise. I recognize the need for strong leadership and lack of confusion -- yet I also recognize the possibility that Good Gods Could Conceivably Go Bad for a Wide Variety of Reasons. I am NOT opposed to the concept of God -- despite some of my earlier posts on the internet. I was merely concerned that we might be following and worshipping False Gods in this particular solar system. Obedience to Righteous and Perfected Authority is Probably a Good Thing -- But Blind Obedience to Whoever is in Power is Probably a Bad Thing. Just Following Orders to Carry Out Torture, Theft, Terrorism, and Mass Murder is Probably a Bad Thing.

    Siriusly, what if there were a Vatican-Based United States of the Solar System -- presided over by a Double-PhD King and Queen -- under the watchful eye of a Mostly Non-Interventionist God?? What if 5,000 PhD Representatives met daily in the Papal Audience Hall -- with the remaining 5,000 Representatives mostly located within the City of London, Washington DC, the United Nations, and the Moon??? Even if this wouldn't work, it's fun to think about -- isn't it??? Once again, the purpose of this thread is to Make All of Us THINK.

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    Post  devakas Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:55 pm

    It was not my opinion, Vedic scripts hold the truth, where each word of 4 mil verses means galaxies explaining the existance, human origins, duties, symptoms and etc. The discipline you are refering to is nonsense. There is no realization - zero in this. It is hard to contemplate realized life. You know and you refer to this meaning as you know under Kali. Realized souls said there is liberation from Kali, but you are not in this sort of trust. You stay with the moto of United States 'we trust in god' and have an impact on you heavily.

    Some humans need to be told what to do and what not to do. Your writings are rebelion against second. No light here.

    it is hard to choose a god from many you find, isn't it? I dont think you are interested in God, you just interested in THINK politico games. Is this all thead about it?
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:10 pm

    How is 'Discipline' nonsense?? I was very generic in my use of the term. I was simply attempting to give credit to those who might disagree with me -- yet follow a disciplined path -- and benefit greatly from it. I continue to be haunted by Anchor's 'self-governance' and 'human-calamity' posts from quite a while ago. I seem to be no more 'self governed' now than I was then. I truly am a hippocrite. Mea Culpa. Humanity seems to continue to be heading toward some sort of a cataclysm -- by accident, design, humanity, or divinity -- I know not. The horror. If I weren't so lazy -- I could be a helluva rebel -- a Rebel Without a Clue -- as a Completely Ignorant Fool. Once again, I appreciate the need for strong leadership -- human and divine -- yet I also recognize the need for critical-thinking and the reasonable and responsible questioning of authority. Most of what I have posted on the internet over the past several years has had something to do with the subjects of 'God', 'Satan', 'Angels', and 'Demons'. I have asked hundreds of questions -- yet I have received very few answers. I've mostly received a lot of hostility and mumbo-jumbo...

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    Post  Aquaries1111 Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:37 pm

    "The most I can do is to acquaint you with the authority of your own psyche - to give you a trust in the nature of your being. For, if you trust what you are, you can never go wrong in whatever terms you use. You can fly through belief systems as a butterfly flies through back yards."

    Seth

    CHAPTER 17

    PROBABILITIES, THE NATURE OF GOOD AND EVIL, AND RELIGIOUS SYMBOLISM

    Christian dogma speaks of the ascension of Christ, implying of course a vertical ascent into the heavens, and the development of the soul is often discussed in terms of direction. To progress is supposedly to ascend, while the horror of religious punishment, hell, is seen at the bottom of all things.

    Development is therefore considered in a one-line direction only, in Christian terms. Seldom, for example, is it thought of in horizontal terms. The idea of evolution in its popular meaning promulgated this theory, as through gradual progression in a one-line direction, man emerged from the ape. Christ could just as well have disappeared sideways.

    The inner reality of the message was told in terms that man at the time could understand, in line with his root assumptions. Development unfolds in all directions. The soul is not ascending a series of stairs, each one representing a new and higher point of development.

    Instead, the soul stands at the center of itself, exploring, extending its capacities in all directions at once, involved in issues of creativity, each one highly legitimate. The probable system of reality opens up the nature of the soul to you. It should change current religion's ideas considerably. For this reason, the nature of good and evil is a highly important point.

    On the one hand, quite simply and in a way that you cannot presently understand, evil does not exist. However, you are obviously confronted with what seem to be quite evil effects. Now it has been said often that there is a god, so there must be a devil - or if there is good, there must be evil. This is like saying that because an apple has a top, it must have a bottom - but without any understanding of the fact that both are a portion of the apple.

    We go back to our fundamentals: You create reality through your feelings, thoughts, and mental actions. Some of these are physically materialized, others are actualized in probable systems. You are presented with an endless series of choices, it seems, at any point, some more or less favorable than others.

    You must understand that each mental act is a reality for which you are responsible. That is what you are in this particular system of reality for. As long as you believe in a devil, for example, you will create one that is real enough for you, and for the others who continue to create him.

    Because of the energy he is given by others, he will have a certain consciousness of his own, but such a mock devil has no power or reality to those who do not believe in his existence, and who do not give him energy through their belief. He is, in other words, a superlative hallucination As mentioned earlier, those who believe in a hell and assign themselves to it through their belief can indeed experience one, but certainly in nothing like eternal terms. No soul is forever ignorant.

    Now those who have such beliefs actually lack a necessary deep trust in the nature of consciousness, of the soul, and of All That Is. They concentrate upon not what they think of as the power of good, but fearfully upon what they think of as the power of evil.

    The hallucination is created, therefore, out of fear and of restriction. The devil idea is merely the mass projection of certain fears - mass in that it is produced by many people, but also limited in that there have always been those who rejected this principle.

    Some very old religions understood the hallucinatory nature of the devil concept, but even in Egyptian times, the simpler and more distorted ideas became prevalent, particularly with the masses of people. In some ways, men in those times could not understand the concept of a god without the concept of a devil.

    Storms, for example, are highly creative natural events, though they can also cause destruction. Early man could see only the destruction. Some intuitively understood that any effects are creative, despite their appearances, but few could convince their fellow men.

    The light-and-darkness contrast presents us with the same kind of picture. The good was seen as light, for men felt safer in the day. The evil was therefore assigned to nightfall. Within the mass of distortions, however, hidden beneath the dogma there was always a hint of the basic creativity of every effect.

    There are, then, no devils waiting to carry anyone off, unless you create them yourself, in which case the power resides in you and not in the mock devils. The Crucifixion and attendant drama made sense within your reality at the time. It arose into the world of physical actuality out of the inner reality from which your deepest intuitions and insights also spring.

    The race brought forth the events, then, that would best convey in physical terms this deeper nonphysical knowledge of the indestructibility of the soul. This particular drama would not have made sense to other systems with different root assumptions than your own.

    The symbolism of ascent or descent, or of light and dark, would be meaningless to other realities with different perceptive mechanisms. While your religions are built around an enduring kernel of truth, the symbolism used was craftily selected by the inner self in line with its knowledge of those root assumptions you hold as valid in the physical universe. Other information, in dreams for example, will also be given to you with the same symbolism, generally speaking. The symbolism itself, however, was simply used by the inner self. It does not inherently belong to inner reality.

    Many probable systems have perceptive mechanisms far different from your own. In fact, some are based upon gestalts of awareness completely alien to you. Quite without realizing it, your ego is a result of group consciousness, for example; the one consciousness that most directly faces the exterior world, is dependent upon the minute consciousness that resides within each living cell of your body; and as a rule you are only aware of one ego - at least at a time.

    In some systems the "individual" is quite aware of having more egos than one, in your terms. The entire psychological organization is in a way richer than your own. A Christ who was not aware of this would not appear in such a system, you see. There are kinds of perception with which you are not familiar, worlds in which your idea of light does not exist, where almost infinite gradations of thermal qualities are absorbed in terms of sensation, not of light.

    In any of these worlds, the Christ drama could never appear as it appeared within your own. Now the same thing applies to each of your great religions, though as I have said in the past, the Buddhists come closer, generally speaking, to a description of the nature of reality. They have not understood the eternal validity of the soul, however, in terms of its exquisite invulnerability, nor been able to hold a feeling for its unique character. But Buddha, like Christ, interpreted what he almost knew in terms of your own reality. Not only of your own physical reality, but your own probable physical reality.

    The methods, the secret methods behind all of the religions, were meant to lead man into a realm of understanding that existed apart from the symbols and the stories, into inner realizations that would take him both within and without the physical world that he knew. There are many manuscripts still not discovered, from old monasteries par-ticularly in Spain, that tell of underground groups within religious orders who kept these secrets alive when other monks were copying old Latin manuscripts.

    There were tribes who never learned to write in Africa and Australia who also knew these secrets, and men called "Speakers" who memorized them and spread them upward, even throughout northern portions of Europe, before the time of Christ.

    Offhand, the work involved could take five years, for there were several versions, and a group of leaders, each going in different directions, who taught their people. The world was far more ripe for Christianity than people suppose, because of these groups. The ideas were "buried" already throughout Europe.

    Many important concepts were lost, however. The emphasis was on practical methods of living - quite simply - rules that could be understood, but the reasons for them were forgotten.

    The Druids obtained some of their concepts from Speakers. So did the Egyptians. The Speakers predated the emergence of any religions that you know, and the religions of the Speakers arose spontaneously in many scattered areas, then grew like wildfire from the heart of Africa and Australia. There was one separate group in an area where the Aztecs dwelled at a later date, though the land mass was somewhat different then, and some of the lower cave dwellings at times were under water.

    Various bands of the Speakers continued through the centuries. Because they were trained so well, the messages retained their authenticity. They believed, however, that it was wrong to set words into written form, and so did not record them. They also used natural earth symbols, but clearly understood the reasons for this. The Speakers, singly, existed in your Stone Age period, and were leaders. Their abilities helped the cavemen survive. There was little physical communication, however, in those days between the various Speakers, and some were unaware of the existence of the others.

    Their message was as "pure" and undistorted as possible. It was for this reason however, through the centuries, that many who heard it translated it into parables and tales. Now, strong portions of Jewish scriptures carry traces of the message of these early Speakers, but even here, distortions have hidden the messages.

    Since consciousness forms matter, and not the other way around, then thought exists before the brain and after it. A child can think coherently before he learns vocabulary - but he cannot impress the physical universe in its terms. So this inner knowledge has always been available, but is to become physically manifest - literally made flesh. The Speakers were the first to impress this inner knowledge upon the physical system, to make it physically known. Sometimes only one or two Speakers were alive in several centuries. Sometimes there were many. They looked around them and knew that the world sprang from their interior reality. They told others. They knew that the seemingly solid natural objects about them were composed of many minute consciousnesses.

    They realized that from their own creativity they formed idea into matter, and that the stuff of matter was itself conscious and alive. They were intimately familiar with the natural rapport existing between themselves and their environment, therefore, and knew that they could alter their environment through their own acts.

    Generally speaking, once a Speaker always a speaker, in your terms. In some incarnations, the abilities might be used so powerfully that all other aspects of the personality remained in the background. At other times the capacities might be timidly used. The Speakers possess an extraordinary vividness of feeling and thought pro-jection.

    They can impress others with greater import through their communications. They can move from inner to outer reality with easy ability. They know instinctively how to use symbolism. They are highly creative on an unconscious level, constantly forming psychic frameworks beneath normal consciousness that can be used both by themselves and others in dream and trance states. They often appear to others in the dream condition, and they help dreamers in the manipulation of inner reality. They form images with which the dreamers can relate, images that can be used as bridges and then as gateways into kinds of consciousness more separated from your own.

    The symbolism of the gods, the idea of the gods on Olympus, for example, the crossing-over point at the River Styx - that kind of phenomenon was originated by the Speakers. The symbolisms and frameworks of religion, therefore, had to exist not only in the physical world but also in the unconscious one. Outside of your own framework, houses as such or dwellings as such are not needed, and yet in trance encounters or dream encounters with other realities, such structures are frequently seen. They are transformations of data into terms that will be meaningful to you.

    After death, for example, an individual may continue to create these - masses of individuals may - until they realize that the frameworks are no longer necessary. The Speakers were not confined in their activities, therefore, to waking consciousness. In all periods of your time they went about their duties both in the waking and sleep state. Much of the most pertinent information, in fact, was memorized by trainees during the dream condition, and passed on in the same manner. These unwritten manuscripts therefore were also illustrated, so to speak, by dream journeys or field trips into other kinds of reality. Such training still goes on. The particular psychic or story framework may vary. For example, conventional images of the Christian God and the saints may be utilized by the Speakers, with all of this highly vivid. The dreamer may find himself then in a magnificent harem, or instead in a brilliantly illuminated field or sky. Some Speakers confine their abilities to the dream state; and, waking, are largely unconscious of their own abilities or experience.

    Now it is meaningless to call such dreams or dream places hallucinations, for they are representations of definite "objective" realities that you cannot perceive as yet in their own guise. The Egyptian religion was largely based upon the work of the Speakers, and great care was given to their training. The outward manifestations given to the masses of the people became so distorted, however, that the original unity of the religion finally decayed.

    However, efforts were being made then to map inner reality in ways that have not been attempted since. It is true that in the dream state and in some other levels of existence close to your own, there is strong individual play in the creation of images, and a magnificent use of symbolism, but all of this takes place, again, in an "objective" definite environment, an environment whose characteristics make such phenomena possible - a field of activity, then, with its own rules. Now the Speakers are familiar with those rules, and often serve as guides. They have at times worked within organizations as in Egypt, where they worked through the temples and became involved with the power structures. As a rule, however, they are far more solitary.

    Because of the true simultaneous nature of time, they are, of course, speaking to all of your ages at once through their various manifestations. On occasion they also serve as mediators, introducing to each other two incarnations of one personality, for example.

    The rules within physical reality say that objects appear to be stationary and permanent. The rules of other realities are often far different, however. The nature of mental activities will follow different lines, and "continuity" in terms of time will not exist. Perceptual organization will exist by the use of different psychological groupings.

    From the outside, such systems would seem meaningless to you even if you were able to perceive them. You would not be able to observe the pivot points about which actions occurred. The very definite rules of that system then would be quite obscure to you.

    Now the Speakers are familiar with the rules within many systems. Still, however, most of these systems in larger terms are somewhat connected with your own kind of reality. There are an infinite number of inner universes. Only the very highest, most developed gestalt consciousness can be aware of anything like their totality. In this larger context, then, the Speakers must be called local. There is something like a chart mapping many of the nearby systems of reality, and I hope some day in your terms to make this available. In order to do so, Ruburt must be trained somewhat more intensely. There are points of coincidence where under certain conditions entry may be made from one of these systems to the other. They need not exist separately in space as you know it, of course.

    These are called coordination points, where one camouflage merges into the other. Some of these are geographical in your system, but in all cases, a tuning-in of consciousness is a necessary preliminary. Such entries can only be made in an out-of-body condition. Each individual in his dreams has access to the information possessed by the Speakers. There are adjacent states of consciousness that occur within the sleep pattern, that cannot be picked up by your EEG's - adjacent "corridors" through which your consciousness travels.

    The higher centers of intuition are activated while physically oriented portions of consciousness remain with the body. The "absent" portion of the self cannot be traced through brain patterns, though the point of its departure and the point of its return may show a particular pattern. The "time out" itself, however, will not be detected in any way, the tracings showing only whatever characteristic pattern was being given immediately before departure.

    Now this happens in every night's sleep. Two areas of activity are involved, one very passive and one acutely active. In one state this portion of consciousness is passive, receiving information. In the next stage it is active as it takes part through action - the concepts given it are then vividly perceived through participation and examples. This is the most protected area of sleep. The rejuvenating characteristics enter in here, and it is during this period that the Speakers act as teachers and guides.

    This information is, then, often interpreted on return by other layers of the self such as the body consciousness and subconscious, where it is formed into dreams that will have meaning to these areas of the self and where general teaching, for example, may be translated into practical advice involving a particular matter.

    There are several very definite stages of sleep, and they all perform various services for the personality. They are also signals for different layers of consciousness, realization, and activity. They are accompanied by some physical variations, and there are some variations having to do with age.

    In our next chapter I will speak of these in some detail. For now it is sufficient to realize that specific steps, definite alterations, occur as consciousness is shifted from the exterior to the interior reality, and that these changes are not random; that consciousness leaves through a very predictable route to its many destinations. Through the ages the Speakers have taught dreamers how to manipulate in these other environments. They have taught them how to bring back information that could be used for the good of the present personality. According to the intent, present purpose, and development, an individual may be aware of these travels to varying degrees. Some have excellent recall, for example, but often misinterpret their experience because of conscious ideas.

    It is very possible for one dreamer who is a Speaker, to go to the aid of another individual who is having some difficulties in an inner reality within the dream state. The idea of guardian angels of course is highly connected here. A good Speaker is as effective within one reality as he is within the other, creating psychic frameworks within physical reality as well as within interior environments. Many artists, poets, and musicians are Speakers, translating one world in terms of another, forming psychic structures that exist in both with great vitality - structures that may be perceived from more than one reality at once.

    There are also various states of consciousness in waking life, upon which you do not focus, and of which you are usually quite unaware. Each state knows its own conditions and is familiar with a different kind of reality.

    "You" presently have a once-centered consciousness, in that "you" close off from your experience these other stages of consciousness in which other portions of your entire identity are intimately involved. These other stages of consciousness create their own realities as you create your own. The realities are, therefore, byproducts of consciousness itself. If you could become aware of these, they might appear to be other places to you, rather than realms or fields of different kinds of activities. If you probe into these realms you will be forced to perceive them with the root assumptions of your own system, translating feelings of warmth and comfort, for example, into images of warm shelters or buildings, or feelings of fear into images of demons.

    On occasion even in waking life a personality may spontaneously shift gears, so to speak, and suddenly find itself for a second or perhaps a few moments within another such realm. Disorientation usually occurs. There are those who do this quite deliberately with training, but often they do not realize that they are interpreting the experiences they have with the values of their "home" consciousness.

    All of this is not as esoteric as it might seem. Almost every individual has had bizarre experiences with consciousness, and knows intuitively that their greater experience is not limited to physical reality. Most dreams are like animated postcards brought back from a journey that you have returned from and largely forgotten. Your consciousness is already oriented again to physical reality; the dream, an attempt to translate the deeper experience into recognizable forms. The images within the dream are also highly coded, and are signals for underlying events that are basically not decipherable.

    The Speakers help you in the formation of dreams which are indeed multidimensional artistic productions of a kind - dreams existing in more than one reality, with effects that dissect various stages of consciousness that are real, in your terms, to both the living and the dead and in which both the living and the dead may participate. It is for this reason that inspirations and revelations are so often a part of the dream condition.

    Divorced from physical focus, you are in a better position to hear the Speakers, to translate their instructions, to practice with the creation of images, and to be guided in the methods of maintaining the health of the physical body. In the most protected areas of sleep, the apparent barriers between many layers of reality vanish. You are aware, for example, of some probable realities. You choose which probable acts you want to actualize in your system. You follow other probable acts through in the dream state. You do this individually, but you also do it en masse on national and global levels.

    Consciousness at different levels or stages perceives different kinds of events. In order to perceive some of these you have only to learn to change the focus of your attention from one level to another. There are minute chemical and electromagnetic alterations that accompany these stages of consciousness, and certain physical changes within the body itself in hormone production and pineal activity.

    You usually glide from wakefulness through to sleep without ever noticing the various conditions of consciousness through which you pass, yet there are several. First, of course, with various degrees of spontaneity, there is the inward turn of consciousness away from physical data, from worries and concerns of the day. Then there is an undifferentiated level between wakefulness and sleep where you act as a receiver - passive but open, in which telepathic and clairvoyant messages come to you quite easily.

    Your consciousness can seem to float. There are varying physical sensations, sometimes of growing large, sometimes of falling. Both sensations are characteristic of moments in which you almost catch yourself, almost become aware of this undifferentiated area, and then translate some of its experiences into physical terms. The sensation of largeness, for example, is a physical interpretation of the psychic expansion. The feeling of falling is an interpretation of a sudden return of consciousness to the body.

    This period can last for only a few moments, for half an hour, or can be returned to. It is a cushioning, supportive, and expansive stage of consciousness. Suggestions given during this time are highly effective. Following this period there is an active state, that can occur, of pseudodreaming, where the mind busies itself with physical concerns that have managed to cling through the first two stages.

    If these are too vigorous, the individual may awaken. This is a vivid, intense, but usually brief stage. Another undifferentiated layer follows, this time marked quite definitely by voices, conversations, or images, as consciousness tunes in more firmly to other communications. Several of these may compete for the individual's attention. At this point the body is fairly quiet. The individual will follow one or another of these inner stimuli to a deeper level of consciousness, and form into light dreams the communications he is receiving.

    Somewhere during this time he will go into a deeply protected area of sleep, where he is at the threshold to other layers of reality and probabilities. At this point his experiences will be out of all context to time as you know it. He may experience years though only minutes have passed. He will then return toward physical reality in an area marked as REM sleep by your scientists, where physically oriented dream productions will be created, putting the knowledge he has gained into use. The cycle would then be repeated. Almost the same kinds of fluctuations and stages occur even when you are waking, however, though you are even less aware of them because then the egotistical self acts quite purposefully to blanket out these other areas of experience.

    The precise stages are present beneath waking awareness, however, and with the same chemical, electromagnetic, and hormonal fluctuations. You simply are not aware of what your consciousness is doing. You cannot yourselves keep track of it for five full moments of your time. The dimensions of it can only be sensed by those determined enough to take the time and effort required to journey through their own subjective realities. Yet intuitively each individual knows that a part of his experience escapes from him all the time. When you suddenly cannot remember a name that you should know, you have in essence the same kind of feeling of which you are always subconsciously aware.

    The purpose of the Speakers is to help you correlate and understand this multidimensional existence, and to bring as much as possible of it to your conscious attention. Only by learning to feel, or sense, or intuitively perceive the depths of your own experience can you glimpse the nature of All That Is. By becoming more aware of your consciousness as it operates in physical life, you can learn to watch it as it manipulates through these other less familiar areas. Probable realities are only probable to you because you are not aware of them.

    These stages of consciousness are all a part of your own reality. A knowledge of them can be most useful. You can learn to "shift gears," stand aside from your own experience, and examine it with much better perspective. You can prepare questions or problems, suggesting that they be solved for you in the sleep state. You can suggest that you will speak with distant friends, or convey important messages that you cannot convey verbally, perhaps. You can bring about reconciliations, for example, at another layer of reality though you cannot do so in this one.

    You can direct the healing of your body, telling yourself that this will be accomplished by you at one of the other levels of sleep consciousness, and you may ask for the aid of a Speaker to give you any necessary psychological guidance that is needed to maintain health. If you have particular conscious goals and if you are reasonably certain that they are beneficial ones, then you can suggest dreams in which they occur, for the dreams themselves will hasten their physical reality.

    Now unconsciously you do many of these things. You often go back In time, so to speak, and "relive" a particular event so that it has a different ending, or say things that you wish you had said. A knowledge of one state of consciousness can help you in other states. In a light trance the meaning of dream symbols will be given if you ask for them. The symbols may then be used as methods of suggestion that will be tailored for you personally. If you discover, say, that a fountain in a dream represents refreshment, then when you are tired or depressed, think of a fountain. In another layer of reality, of course, you will be creating one.

    In the most protected areas of sleep you are dealing with experience that is pure feeling or knowing, and disconnected from both words or images. As mentioned, these experiences are translated into dreams later, necessitating a return to areas of consciousness more familiar with physical data. Here a great creative synthesis and a great creative diversification takes place, in which any given dream image has meaning to various layers of the self - on one level representing a truth you have lived and on other levels representing this truth as it is more specifically applied to various areas of experience or problems. There will be a metamorphosis, therefore, of one symbol turning into many, and the conscious mind may only perceive a chaos of various dream images, because the inner organization and unity is partially hidden in the other areas of consciousness through which the reasoning mind cannot follow.

    The unconscious and subconscious areas, however, are aware of much more of this information than the ego, for it receives only the minute residue of dream material as a rule. The Speakers therefore may appear within dreams as historical characters, as prophets, as trusted old friends, or in whatever guise will impress the particular personality.

    In the original experience, however, the true nature of the Speaker is apparent. The production of dreams is as "sophisticated" an endeavor as is the production of the objective life of a given individual. It is simply living on different terms.

    These various stages of consciousness and fluctuations of psychic activity can also be examined through direct experience from the waking state. In the following chapter we will let you become more aware of these ever-active portions of your own reality.

    http://www.theshiftofconsciousness.info/seth.html




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    Post  devakas Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:51 pm

    orthodoxymoron wrote:How is 'Discipline' nonsense??

    ...And who teaches that we humans are not qualified to rule the world (galaxies in your case), to control others, to use others to fight others.


    when we do not discipline ourselves we try to discipline something else, Kony 2012, galaxies. This is the problem.

    Even Thrive movement would be successful if people would BELIEVE in GOD and TRUST in GOD. If they would teach kids not to center theyr personalities, destroy the self centeredness, if each would do their work to perfect their duties, to perfect their work what they like to do- only this is right work, if they would be taught God energies and if they would celebrate God's name, Him would arrange the nicest environment for all. When people with duties, would be transparent and perfect in their duties, all weak would be supported and protected.

    when people would be taught Who they are, that soul leaves the same as it enters living entity, that all material world is given by His mercy for our personal mental exercises most in rebelious to Him, that all material world has temporarity and ignorance,

    only then people would DO RIGHT thing to serve God and follow His instructions.

    Btw today teacher His Holiness Radhanath Swami will be in Laguna. cheers

    He has no credit card or salary, but he feeds tens of thousand people everyday AS he is doing Right thing, He believes in God and God helps him. Any comparison with any other?? Tree should be judged by its fruits, isn't it?

    Namaste
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:18 pm

    devakas wrote:...And who teaches that we humans are not qualified to rule the world (galaxies in your case), to control others, to use others to fight others. When we do not discipline ourselves we try to discipline something else, Kony 2012, galaxies. This is the problem.

    Who does teach that humans are not qualified to rule their home? Why 'galaxies' in my case?

    Even Thrive movement would be successful if people would BELIEVE in GOD and TRUST in GOD. If they would teach kids not to center theyr personalities, destroy the self centeredness, if each would do their work to perfect their duties, to perfect their work what they like to do- only this is right work, if they would be taught God energies and if they would celebrate God's name, Him would arrange the nicest environment for all. When people with duties, would be transparent and perfect in their duties, all weak would be supported and protected.

    Believe and Trust in which God? (by Name)

    when people would be taught Who they are, that soul leaves the same as it enters living entity, that all material world is given by His mercy for our personal mental exercises most in rebelious to Him, that all material world has temporarity and ignorance, only then people would DO RIGHT thing to serve God and follow His instructions.

    Is God a Male? (specific source) Where are God's Instructions found? (specifically)

    Btw today teacher His Holiness Radhanath Swami will be in Laguna. cheers He has no credit card or salary, but he feeds tens of thousand people everyday AS he is doing Right thing, He believes in God and God helps him. Any comparison with any other?? Tree should be judged by its fruits, isn't it? Namaste

    Does the term 'His Holiness' imply 'Divinity'? At what point does a name become blasphemous? Should the Pope be referred to as 'Your Holiness' or as 'The Holy Father'? Should high-ranking Anglicans be referred to as 'The Very Reverend'? What does it really mean to 'Take God's Name in Vain'?
    Namaste.


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    Post  Aquaries1111 Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:47 pm

    Hi Oxy,

    Looking to find the video you recommended.. Please Please...


    I JUST WANT THE BS TO STOP!!! PEACE!!! BE STILL!!!

    If anyone hasn't watched this video series - PLEASE DO SO!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HWZlvPE888 It brings so many things together in an understandable manner. Stop the video - and read the fine-print. I think this video series is extremely important!

    At some point - I might like to work with all of those listed above - once I got used to them! What about that debate-date, Kali??? You must REALLY hate me...

    OK...a lot of people hate me. I have been blocked by several YouTube channels - including the poster of the video series mentioned above. ufohypothesis (Rick Keefe - who interviews Alex Collier) has blocked me. Another one - which is critical of the Roman Catholic Church - has blocked me. This is very, very odd - since I am mostly editorially on-board with the blockers!!! None of them told me a damn thing - so I have no idea why I have been blocked. Two of my websites have been taken over by someone I have never heard of - and one has been removed from the internet - even though I am paid-up for several years. I am very paranoid - and they probably really are out to get me. Strange world we live in.

    What's odd - is that I really and truly have no animosity toward anyone. Period. Although - to be honest - I am annoyed by just about everyone - especially myself. But I have no seething agenda or fecal list. I really and truly am seeking a big-tent solution - rather than something which is narrow and exclusive. It's an equal-opportunity big-tent for males, females, hermaphrodites, and all races - including aliens and hybrids! I think I'm probably way too accomodating and easy-going.


    Think I found it Oxy...

    Helena Petrovna Blavatsky (1831-91) is without comparison the single person who has had the most influence in the Occult Sciences in the 19 Century. She was born in Ukraine with the name Von Hahn-Rottenstern. She was a very sensitive child, often sleep-walking and suffered from hallucinations. Tibet was a very popular place to travel to in the 19 Century when most Europeans were quite disillusioned. So did also Madame Blavatsky, who as an adult saw herself as a telepath and a psychic. She was also the author to the book Secret Doctrine. In this book she wrote that during her trip to Tibet, she was led into a secret room underneath a Tibetan monastery where she was shown texts of ancient occult and mystical secrets of the universe, which also was said to lay a route to the future course of history. The texts said that man once was pure spirit without a body, but had fallen down to base matter, darkness and chaos. She then was initiated into magical practicing, using esoteric symbols which learnt how the human race once again would rise into pure spirit. She claimed she was in current telepathic contact with Hidden Masters, who taught her the occult history of the human race. Blavatsky was taught that the most powerful symbol of these esoteric ones was the Swastika. She wrote there were 7 stages of evolution, she named them route races. The race which should rise again to true spirit she named Aryans. In Tibet the Swastika was known as the son of fire and creation, but in Madame Blavatsky's teachings the Swastika was the symbol of the "alleged" Aryan race.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-AfhUiq8-Q



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    Post  Eartheart Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:52 pm

    Theological Science-Fiction; i would like that to distract the anal-iced mindframe and
    than tell about the loovers dreamtime unfolding into plasmascience and virtual politix!
    Your Refined Positive-Reinforcement is a very valid praxis, dear Oxymonad. I like it too.
    Everything in a manner of Grace and Mercy, presented by familiar initiation rites???It is gifted like life and creations!!! sunny
    I continue to like the idea of a highly-ethical, highly-refined, and deeply-spiritual secular-society. Candle in the Wind
    Thats just my dreaming too, sounds it is there calling for souls to comprehend... Enlightened

    to our questionaire:
    the manner in which Jesus treats the Decalogue is somewhat puzzling???
    Its because those 10 to 24 "commandments" are uncreatively "borrowed"
    from the "Book of the death(daat)" of templeinitiation, which describe again the path of the
    sun ( ref.: Lyon) and the part & parcel of indi soul thereof. In a manner of translating:
    The seeker went to the temple and declared his soul sinnless by saying to the guardians
    of his spiritfamily: I have not killed (today)!, i have not fooked my friends wife! I have not stolen fromthose kids....ect. There is no shall or commando in it, but may be those idiots around the golden calf need it strong???? So a highprist, galactic awakend king and cosmopolitican essene leader like JJ has
    known it too, remember them stayed in egypt for Aton or JJ was Moses or wtf... Anyhow, if you got the living spirit working through you, those crooks are bad toys!

    The Pauline Epistles further our mercy, when we see that pauls everywhere as a public disgrace,similar todays agents with Thora agendas, and how spirit makes them repent, but its actually JJ bro
    James (Galatians 1:19), who continioued the holy circulation, with MagdaMary's Loove to Source,
    till them left to the french coast with their new daughter Sarah???
    So all the iideological comprehension of Pauline propaganda are worthless psychopathic egotripping,
    see was has come from it, Jesuits forged Islam and Advent and evangelists and killer armies and takeover
    vati-can-do-all... Thanx to that BS.

    shed light on who the Gods and/or Goddesses of Egypt might've really been -- and whether one or two of them became the God of Israel??
    When anyone can comprehend, that after Exodus all the southern greek populations and tribes where blatantly murdered by the runaway slaves - a few million beautifull people, who wouldnt follow that reptilian
    agenda from the so called jew spawned experimentations, with what we know about An as fake solar usurper,
    (remember them went by montauk timerift back ~ 5000 years to establish themself as idols with a fake creationstory,
    similar to scientists with a big-bang in their heads), thats what them learned from the offworlders, which wherent gods, but armyborg reptiles. Even recently in the caverns of Giza and during the WW2 sciencetransfer there would be spotted anubisheads and other figurines of the egypt pantheum by citypeople. Longlife borgs!

    The Old Testament is highly troubling to me. If one has no other Gods than the Old Testament God -- is that necessarily a good thing??
    Very bad thing, while life and revelation went on with our living divine Lifelight Spirit trippleX, that OT has become a disfunctional,
    disruptive and corrupted nightmare. Shame on those Rabbies! Every israeli Lady knows it! By Heart!

    I suspect Archangelic Queens of Heaven -- in conflict with each other -- but it where winged Mothers from Orion,
    which controll their gentrades and borgrites, grant AI and the relevant software. Enki and those conected to the
    8Dim andromedan council repopulation programms of Sol3 where AWAT-teamed by An and his 300+ soldiers,
    which where 20century runaways from those OrionMothers agreeing to the Anchara Peace. Probably them holding till last drop to those old Paroles and think of the Peaceagenda as a trick and deceptive measure, so by taking over Earth (strategic to sirius and Alcyone) hem believe in becoming orion warheros... The first thing they did was to take
    away the software "chips" from those working with adromedan council. Imagine Pandora and Lilith beeing very wise,
    advanced pristesses of those orion motherlineages, scientists of elusive genetical schools, with lofty idols, and than beeing forced to produce slaves for mining and sex in An's order. Than you see Sitchins ect. mistakes and some real of it.
    Lawless' JT
    Just Following Orders to Carry Out Torture, Theft, Terrorism, and Mass Murder is Probably a disgrace...
    Training His Grace the swami than seems a alternative, but iknow that its Sophia, who is giving out over six billion breakfasts daily
    or contioniously according to maya. So the swami is in a game with those playing hungry or what ever, a disgrace again, but in which eyes? Please Oxymonad, donotget silly or confused, all is welll with your advanced probing.
    (Devakas, we know Godhead keeps dreaming) (A1111- this dreaming is the most active radiationoutput, not this psychic
    revaluation during REM-sleep, but like a invoke/evoke earthinheaven + heavenlyearth double-cones of real embracing
    the very individualized heart to fuse the freqs into Loove emanations... So or so!)
    Oxy rider, the mule can stand softness, discipline can be gentle like Jesus was -as well!
    Hadriel


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    Post  devakas Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:21 pm

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    devakas wrote:...And who teaches that we humans are not qualified to rule the world (galaxies in your case), to control others, to use others to fight others. When we do not discipline ourselves we try to discipline something else, Kony 2012, galaxies. This is the problem.

    Who does teach that humans are not qualified to rule their home? Why 'galaxies' in my case? arn't you try to be admin?

    Even Thrive movement would be successful if people would BELIEVE in GOD and TRUST in GOD. If they would teach kids not to center theyr personalities, destroy the self centeredness, if each would do their work to perfect their duties, to perfect their work what they like to do- only this is right work, if they would be taught God energies and if they would celebrate God's name, Him would arrange the nicest environment for all. When people with duties, would be transparent and perfect in their duties, all weak would be supported and protected.

    Believe and Trust in which God? (by Name) There is only one no second.
    You can call it cabage as you like as soon as you talk about that He is creator and maintainer of all spiritual and material worlds. (many many universes)

    when people would be taught Who they are, that soul leaves the same as it enters living entity, that all material world is given by His mercy for our personal mental exercises most in rebelious to Him, that all material world has temporarity and ignorance, only then people would DO RIGHT thing to serve God and follow His instructions.

    Is God a Male? (specific source) Where are God's Instructions found? (specifically) You can think male, as his potencies as female, but we are talking in this material world, about bodies right? You are real? yes? He is real too. God can take form any. And can have children as many as He wants. Source? I should see that you are sitting not to fall....

    Btw today teacher His Holiness Radhanath Swami will be in Laguna. cheers He has no credit card or salary, but he feeds tens of thousand people everyday AS he is doing Right thing, He believes in God and God helps him. Any comparison with any other?? Tree should be judged by its fruits, isn't it? Namaste

    Does the term 'His Holiness' imply 'Divinity'? At what point does a name become blasphemous? Should the Pope be referred to as 'Your Holiness' or as 'The Holy Father'? Should high-ranking Anglicans be referred to as 'The Very Reverend'? What does it really mean to 'Take God's Name in Vain'?
    Namaste.
    you are too angry. angry means you feel lack of respect.

    devakas

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    Post  devakas Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:24 pm


    to respect means to serve. bees always find the best, fly to the best, flies gets whatever and enjoys whatever...

    agree?
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    Post  Aquaries1111 Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:34 pm

    This work
    I dedicate to all true Theosophists,
    in every Country
    and of every Race,
    for they called it forth, and for them it was recorded

    H.P. Blavatsky

    http://theosophytrust.org/Online_Books/The_Secret_Doctrine_Vol_1_V3.0.2.pdf

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:01 pm

    A1, a lot of roads lead to Helena Blavatsky. Thank-you for another great post! You must understand that I mostly just dip my toes into the Esoteric Ocean, so as not to drown in the BS. I must at least obtain copies of 'The Secret Doctrine' and 'Isis Unveiled'. I'll look at the online Blavatsky material in the meantime. I wonder if Nicolas Roerich went to the same Tibetan location as did Helena Blavatsky?? Roerich claimed to learn of a Sovereign Queen of the Air who came to Earth to conduct a Genetic Hybridization Program. He also claimed to see 'Strange Grey People' within this Tibetan location.

    Wow! Eartheart! You told me a helluva lot in your last post! Power-Struggling, Deception, and Betrayal are Not recent inventions, are they???!!!

    devakas, I'm just an Angry Old Man Who Can't Get No Satisfaction, Answers, or Respect!!! O Wretched Man That I Am!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXcNQTa3zgs

    What do you think about these images??
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    Just a note to all. I often don't directly comment on a lengthy post -- with a lot of detail -- for several reasons. I mostly wish for posters to say what they wish to say -- without being cross-examined by me -- but there are exceptions to this informal rule. Also, I often think new thoughts subsequent to reading a post -- and this causes me to launch my quest in a new direction -- and I simply begin relating my new insights. I also wish to remain somewhat neutral and aloof. I wish to think my own thoughts -- be they right or wrong -- and not simply reflect the thoughts of others. Finally, I am being pulled in so many directions -- and I feel as if I'm in the middle of a Spiritual War -- which has the potential of becoming a Physical War -- and I find this to be quite draining.

    I've been thinking of renaming this thread 'Orthodoxymoron, the Queen of Heaven, and the United States of the Solar System'!!!

    Here is yet another Nazi-Occult documentary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjoXiEvhUaY&feature=related Notice the videos at the right of the screen. I continue to think that it is important to learn as many lessons as possible from the Nazi Phenomenon and from World War II. This is chilling stuff -- but we need to make damn sure that we don't repeat the Horrors of History. Most of the Nazis probably thought they were doing the 'right thing'. Choose your causes and leaders very, very carefully.

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    Jesus Christ!!! Check this out!!! http://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-night/features/article/-/10276027/inside-australias-chilling-new-cult/

    Cult experts have warned that a 47-year-old Queensland man and self-proclaimed “Jesus” is in the early stages of developing a dangerous religious sect comparable to WACO, which ended in mass-suicide, Channel 7’s Sunday Night has reported.

    Former real estate developer, Alan John Miller, from Kingaroy in Queensland, is the leader of Gods Way of Love. He has an estimated 100,000 DVDs in global circulation and financially survives on collecting donations from followers. He also uses donations to acquire property for sanctuaries - in preparation for doomsday.

    The earth will “change a lot” in the next few years, Miller believes. “What you now know as countries will disappear completely, other ones will change completely,” he told his followers at a recent seminar aired by Sunday Night.

    Cult expert Rick Ross told Sunday Night that Miller is still a fairly new leader who hasn’t fully developed his group. “It is still in its early stages but the idea that the group is coming together in a community and that Miller is developing a compound in my opinion is ominous,” he said.

    “Only the most extreme cults isolate themselves in a compound, such as Jonestown or WACO Davidians group, which both ended tragically in mass suicides.

    “This is when groups become extreme because the leader controls everything,” he said.

    Additionally, Sunday Night guest reporter and cult expert Rev. David Millikan raised concerns around Miller’s ability to break up families.

    “He is surrounded by people who have walked out of marriages and businesses. They have forsaken all to follow Jesus,” Millikan said.

    “Neuroscientist Dr Louise Faber left the Queensland Brain Institute to buy a property next to Miller in O’Dea Road, outside Kingaroy. I asked her if she believed Miller was Jesus. She said: “Oh yes, David, I know he is Jesus”.”

    Ross said: “Basically Miller sets himself up as God, he is Jesus Christ, he is a God man and if you disagree with him you disagree with God so if you have a spouse or a family member and they are critical of Miller they have come against God and therefore they are not spiritually right for you.”

    “Mr Miller seems to use his position as Jesus to get sexual favours from women that he is attracted to...it reminds me of many so called cult leaders that I have run into over the years who use their position of spiritual authority to get want they want sexually, financially, in whatever means they wish from people that become their followers,” he said.

    Miller told Sunday Night his first memories of his past life as Jesus occurred when he was two, having nails driven through his feet.

    “I didn’t put them together as I’m Jesus from that. I just slotted it in to the back of my head and merely got on with my life until...I started having a lot more specific memories about my life...at 33.”

    He claimed his teachings “are all about love and developing relationships” and denied being cult leader.

    “I don’t see how I can be a cult leader when I ask everybody to actually engage their own desires,” he said.

    Meanwhile, Miller told reporter Millikan that he performed most miracles, as they are in the Bible, but he disputed others.

    “Most of the miracles involving recovery of people's sight [and] the recovery of their limbs but the walking on water is one of the things that I didn’t do.

    “Another one that I didn’t do was turn the water into wine.”

    Miller urged reporter Millikan to get back in contact with him sooner than later.

    "You are going to want to meet me much sooner than ten years time, I am saying that you will start thinking that wow maybe there is something," he said.

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    devakas wrote:
    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    devakas wrote:...And who teaches that we humans are not qualified to rule the world (galaxies in your case), to control others, to use others to fight others. When we do not discipline ourselves we try to discipline something else, Kony 2012, galaxies. This is the problem.

    Who does teach that humans are not qualified to rule their home? Why 'galaxies' in my case? arn't you try to be admin?

    Even Thrive movement would be successful if people would BELIEVE in GOD and TRUST in GOD. If they would teach kids not to center theyr personalities, destroy the self centeredness, if each would do their work to perfect their duties, to perfect their work what they like to do- only this is right work, if they would be taught God energies and if they would celebrate God's name, Him would arrange the nicest environment for all. When people with duties, would be transparent and perfect in their duties, all weak would be supported and protected.

    Believe and Trust in which God? (by Name) There is only one no second.
    You can call it cabage as you like as soon as you talk about that He is creator and maintainer of all spiritual and material worlds. (many many universes)

    when people would be taught Who they are, that soul leaves the same as it enters living entity, that all material world is given by His mercy for our personal mental exercises most in rebelious to Him, that all material world has temporarity and ignorance, only then people would DO RIGHT thing to serve God and follow His instructions.

    Is God a Male? (specific source) Where are God's Instructions found? (specifically) You can think male, as his potencies as female, but we are talking in this material world, about bodies right? You are real? yes? He is real too. God can take form any. And can have children as many as He wants. Source? I should see that you are sitting not to fall....

    Btw today teacher His Holiness Radhanath Swami will be in Laguna. cheers He has no credit card or salary, but he feeds tens of thousand people everyday AS he is doing Right thing, He believes in God and God helps him. Any comparison with any other?? Tree should be judged by its fruits, isn't it? Namaste

    Does the term 'His Holiness' imply 'Divinity'? At what point does a name become blasphemous? Should the Pope be referred to as 'Your Holiness' or as 'The Holy Father'? Should high-ranking Anglicans be referred to as 'The Very Reverend'? What does it really mean to 'Take God's Name in Vain'?
    Namaste.
    you are too angry. angry means you feel lack of respect.

    devakas
    This thread is Sirius Entertainment. I have engaged in a considerable amount of theatrics and role-playing to make a point -- but I'm still not sure what that point might be. I have rarely felt respect or appreciation for that which I have posted over the past several years. I've felt a lot of hostility -- on the internet -- socially -- and supernaturally. I do Not feel the love tonight -- or most nights, for that matter. I think I'm more frustrated and despondant than I am angry. I seem to be in a nutty-rut -- and I think I need to leave -- one more time -- at least for a while. Namaste and Godspeed.


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    orthodoxymoron wrote:This thread is Sirius Entertainment. I have engaged in a considerable amount of theatrics and role-playing to make a point -- but I'm still not sure what that point might be. I have rarely felt respect or appreciation for that which I have posted over the past several years. I've felt a lot of hostility -- on the internet -- socially -- and supernaturally. I do Not feel the love tonight -- or most nights, for that matter. I think I'm more frustrated and despondant than I am angry. I seem to be in a nutty-rut -- and I think I need to leave -- one more time -- at least for a while. Namaste and Godspeed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QczgvUDskk0[/b]

    Oxy,

    Come on now... I Love You...




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    Post  Floyd Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:35 am

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Jesus Christ!!! Check this out!!! http://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-night/features/article/-/10276027/inside-australias-chilling-new-cult/

    Cult experts have warned that a 47-year-old Queensland man and self-proclaimed “Jesus” is in the early stages of developing a dangerous religious sect comparable to WACO, which ended in mass-suicide, Channel 7’s Sunday Night has reported.


    Jesus, sorry, Mr Miller is another in a long line of leaders with a 'messiah syndrome', whether driven by deceit that has fed the lie til he has convinced even himself, or delusion of some psychological or psychiatric nature. Whether they be Christian cults, UFO cults or some channeling cult or other they all have at their head a personage such as Mr Miller who is a channeler/ medium (who has had conversations with Ramtha. In many ways David Wilcock is a cult leader)and ex Jehovah Witness (known for the false prophecy. Women are flocking to him, and cult leadership has often provided a good platform to get laid on a regular basis.

    Id love to know how many Jesus Christs there are at the moment. Quite a few probably

    People are drawn to his cult via a self help, course called Alpha Dynamics which doesn't mention him to the end.

    His cult reminds me of some of the earlier ones from the 70's in the States like the Children of God (now The Family).

    Cheques made to his cause (which is basically a property portfolio), are not made out to Mr Jesus H Christ but to Mr J Miller.

    That says it all really.
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    Post  Aquaries1111 Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:53 am



    How gentle was the breeze
    That Surrounded the way
    How loud the sea's roar on the four
    Winds everyday

    Sharing love, wounded gifts from
    Ancient long ago
    Together they closed in the circles we know

    Will we treasure all the secrets with life's changing scenes
    Where our hearts were warm with love
    So much love

    Will the flowers grow again as I open Out my hand
    Precious time Time for healing
    The beauty of this land (2x)

    We will treasure all the secrets with life's changing scenes
    Where our hearts were warm with love
    So much love

    Will the flowers grow again as I open
    Out my hand

    Precious time

    Time for healing
    The beauty of this land

    How soulful those words that confuses the way

    How wild the mountains stare as they guard our everyday
    Take for granted noble hearts in the golden

    Age that's flown

    Between us recall on a strong road
    We've known
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     Archangelic Queens of Heaven and the United States of the Solar System - Page 22 Earthf11strawberry fieldsforver???



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    Post  Aquaries1111 Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:00 pm

    Hi Oxy,

    Miss you.. I came across a music video I thought you would appreciate.. Hope you enjoy..

    Debra



    Ten years before I saw lhe light of morning
    A comradeship of heroes was laid.
    From every corner of the world came sailing
    The Fifteenth Inlernational Brigade.

    They came to stand beside the Spanish people.
    To try and stem the rising Fascist tide
    Franco's allies were the powerful and wealthy,
    Frank Ryan's men came from the other side.

    Even the olives were bleeding
    As the battle for Madrid it thundered on.
    Truth and love against the force af evil,
    Brotherhood against the Fascist clan.

    Vive La Quince Brigada!
    "NO PASARAN" the pledge that made them fight.
    "ADELANTE" was the cry around the hillside.
    Let us all remember them tonight.

    Bob Hillard was a Church of Ireland pastor;
    From Killarney across the Pyrenees ho came.
    From Derry came a brave young Christian Brother.
    Side by side they fought and died in Spain.

    Tommy Woods, aged seventeen, died in Cordoba.
    With Na Fianna he learned to hold his gun.
    From Dublin to the Villa del Rio
    Where he fought and died beneath the Spanish sun.

    Many Irishmen heard the call of Franco.
    Joined Hitler and Mussolini too.
    Propaganda from the pulpit and newspapers
    Helped O'Duffy to enlist his crew.

    The word came from Maynooth: 'Support the Fascists.'
    The men of cloth failed yet again
    When the bishops blessed the blueshirts in Dun Laoghaire
    As they sailed beneath the swastika to Spain.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:09 pm

    Thank-you Aquaries1111. That was a cool song. The history of the world is 'people who think they're right' -- 'fighting with people who think they're right'. The history of the world is a sad and bloody mess -- which might not be improving anytime soon -- regardless of regime-changes or whatever. I continue to seek understanding rather than condemnation and retribution -- but I do seek liberty and justice for all concerned. What do you think of the thread title 'Archangelic Queens of Heaven and the United States of the Solar System'? This title could be interpreted in several different ways -- couldn't it? I will remain somewhat ambiguous regarding my intended meaning. I will try to remain mostly silent in the comming weeks -- although I might post some images and text -- such as from the work of Gerald Massey (who I am not necessarily endorsing -- but who might be an important part of solving the nasty puzzle facing humanity (and other than human races?).

    Ancient Egypt: The Light of the World

    A Work of Reclamation and Restitution in Twelve Books by Gerald Massey

    London
    T.Fisher Unwin
    Adelphi Terrace
    Published in 1907

    EDITION LIMITED TO FIVE HUNDRED COPIES

    AUTHOR OF "A BOOK OF THE BEGINNINGS" and "THE NATURAL GENESIS"

    It mav have been a Million years ago
    The Light was kindled in the Old Dark Land
    Withi which the illumined Scrolls are all aglow,
    That Egypt gave us with her mummied hand :
    This was the secret of that subtle smile
    Inscrutable upon the Sphinx's face,
    Now told from sea to sea, from isle to isle ;
    The revelation of the Old Dark Race ;
    Theirs was the wisdom of the Bee and Bird,
    Ant, Tortoise, Beaver, working human-wise ;
    The ancient darkness spake with Egypt's Word ;
    Hers was the primal message of the skies:
    The Heavens are telling nightly of her glory,
    And for all time Earth echoes her great story.

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    PREFATORY

    I have written other books, but this I look on as the exceptional labour which has made my life worth
    living. Comparatively speaking, " A Book of the Beginnings" (London, 1881) was written in the dark, "The
    Natural Genesis" (London, 1883) was written in the twilight, whereas" Ancient Egypt" has been written in
    the light of day. The earlier books were met in England with the truly orthodox conspiracy of silence.
    Nevertheless, four thousand volumes have got into circulation somewhere or other up and down tlte
    reading world, where they are slowly working in their unacknowledged way. Probably the present book
    will be appraised at home in proportion as it comes back piecemeal from abroad, from Germany, or
    France, or maybe from the Country of the Rising Sun.

    To all dear lovers of the truth the writer now commends the verifiable truths that wait for recognition in
    these pages.

    Truth is all-potent with its silent power
    If only whispered, never heard aloud,
    But working secretly, almost unseen,
    Save in some excommunicated Book;
    'Tis as the lightning with its errand done
    Before you hear the thunder.

    For myself, it is enough to know that in despite of many hindrances from straitened circumstances,
    chronic ailments, and the deepening shadows of encroaching age, my book is printed, and the subjectmatter
    that I cared for most is now entrusted safely to the keeping of John Gutenberg, on this my nineand-
    seventieth birthday.

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    CONTENTS VOL. I and 2 Page
    Number
    Size
    in K
    Pages
    (Approx.)
    ANCIENT EGYPT- The Light of the World
    Introduction PREFATORY Roman 23 4
    BOOK 1 SIGN-LANGUAGE AND MYTHOLOGY AS PRIMITIVE
    MODES OF REPRESENTATION 1 172 39
    Book 2 TOTEMISM, TATTOO AND FETISHISM AS FORMS OF
    SIGN-LANGUAGE 46 579 60
    BOOK 3 ELEMENTAL AND ANCESTRAL SPIRITS, OR THE GODS
    AND THE GLORIFIED 120 256 53
    BOOK 4 EGYPTIAN BOOK OF THE DEAD AND THE MYSTERIES
    OF AMENTA 186 473 51
    BOOK 5
    THE SIGN-LANGUAGE OF ASTRONOMICAL
    MYTHOLOGY
    -The Primitive African Paradise 249 868 88
    - Egyptian Wisdom 269
    -The Drowning of the Dragon 287
    BOOK 6
    THE SIGN-LANGUAGE OF ASTRONOMICAL
    MYTHOLOGY (PART II) 321
    472 95
    -Horus of the Double Horizon 332
    -The Making of Amenta 344
    -The Irish Amenta 366
    -The Mount of Glory 376
    BOOK 7 EGYPTIAN WISDOM AND THE HEBREW GENESIS 398 996 88
    BOOK 8 THE EGYPTIAN WISDOM IN OTHER JEWISH WRITINGS 470
    BOOK 9 THE ARK, THE DELUGE, AND THE WORLD’S GREAT
    YEAR 544-627 294
    BOOK 10 THE EXODUS FROM EGYPT AND THE DESERT OF
    AMENTA 628-688 222
    BOOK 11 EGYPTIAN WISDOM IN THE REVELATION OF JOHN THE
    DIVINE 689-725 135

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    Book 12 THE JESUS-LEGEND TRACED IN EGYPT FOR TEN
    THOUSAND YEARS 726-804 285
    APPENDIX 905-

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    LIST OF ILLUSTRATIONS - Volume -1-
    ANCIENT EGYPT- The Light of the World
    Book
    No. Page
    No.:
    1 APT, THE FIRST GREAT MOTHER 124
    1 THE MUMMY-BABE 219
    3 ILLUSTRATION FROM A THEBAN TOMB 289
    4 HIPPOPOTAMUS AND HAUNCH 311
    5 SHU THE KNEELER 315
    6 HORUS STRANGLING SERPENTS 317
    7 HORUS IN PISCES 343
    8 HORUS THE SHOOT OF THE PAPYRUS 450
    9 ASSYRIAN CYLINDER 453
    10 THE FLAMING SWORD WHICH GUARDED THE TREE 455
    11 HORUS BRUISING THE SERPENT'S HEAD . 462

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    VOLUME 1
    BOOK 1 of 12

    SIGN-LANGUAGE AND MYTHOLOGY AS PRIMITIVE MODES OF REPRESENTATION

    THE other day a lad from London who had been taken to the sea-side for the first time in his life was
    standing with his mother looking at the rolling breakers tossing and tumbling in upon the sands, when he
    was heard to exclaim, "Oh, mother, who is it chucking them heaps o" water about ?" This expression
    showed the boy's ability to think of the power that was " doing it" in the human likeness. But, then,
    ignorant as he might be, he was more or less the heir to human faculty as it is manifested in all its
    triumphs over external nature at the present time. Now, it has been and still is a prevalent and practically
    universal assumption that the same mental standpoint might have been occupied by Primitive Man, and
    a. like question asked in presence of the same or similar phenomena of physical nature. Nothing is more
    common or more unquestioned than the inference that Primitive Man would or could have asked," Who is
    doing it ?" and that the Who could have been personified in the human likeness. Indeed, it has become
    an axiom with modern metaphysicians and a postulate of the Anthropologists that, from the beginning,
    man imposed his own human image upon external nature; that he personified its elemental energies and
    fierce physical forces after his own likeness; also that this was in accordance with the fundamental
    character and constitution of the human mind. To adduce a few examples taken almost at random: -
    David Hume declares that " there is a universal tendency among mankind to conceive all beings like
    themselves". In support of which he instances the seeing of human faces in the moon. Reid on the Active
    Powers (4th Essay) says our first thoughts are that "the objects in which we perceive motion have
    understanding and power as we have". Francis Bacon had long before remarked that we human beings
    "set stamps and seals of our own images upon God's creatures and works". (Exp. History) Herbert
    Spencer argued that human personality applied to the powers of nature was the primary mode of
    representation, and that the identification of this with some natural force or object is due to identity of
    name. (Data of Sociology, chapter xxiv, 184.) "In early philosophy throughout the world", says Mr. Tylor,
    "the [Page2} sun and moon are alive and as it were human in their nature". Professor Max Müeller, who
    taught that Mythology was a disease of language, and that the Myths have been made out of words
    which had lost their senses, asserts that "the whole animal world has been conceived as a copy of our
    own. And not only the animal world, but the whole of nature was liable to be conceived and named by an
    assimilation to human nature". (Science of Thought, page 503.) And "such was the propensity in the
    earliest men of whom we have any authentic record to see personal agency in everything", that it could
    not be otherwise, for "there was really no way of conceiving or naming anything objective except after the
    similitude of the subjective, or of ourselves". (Science of Thought, page 495.) Illustrations of this modern
    position might be indefinitely multiplied. The assumption has been supported by a consensus of
    assertion, and here, as elsewhere, the present writer is compelled to doubt, deny, and disprove the
    popular postulate of the accepted orthodox authorities.
    That, said the lion, is your version of the story: let us be the sculptor's , and for one lion under the feet of
    a man you shall see a dozen men beneath the pad of one lion.
    "Myth-making Man" did not create the Gods in his own image. The primary divinities of Egypt, such as
    Sut, Sebek, and Shu, three of the earliest, were represented in the likeness of the Hippopotamus, the
    Crocodile, and the Lion; whilst Hapi was imaged as an Ape, Anup - as a Jackal, Ptah as a Beetle, Taht as
    an Ibis, Seb as a Goose. So was it with the Goddesses. They are the likenesses of powers that were

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    super-human, not human. Hence Apt was imaged as a Water-cow, Hekat as a Frog, Tefnut as a Lioness,
    Serkh as a Scorpion,. Rannut as a Serpent, Hathor as a Fruit-tree. A huge mistake has hitherto been
    made in assuming that the Myth-Makers began by fashioning the Nature-Powers in their own human
    likeness. Totemism was formulated by myth-making man with types that were the very opposite of
    human, and in mythology the Anthropomorphic representation was preceded by the whole menagerie of
    Totemic Zootypes.

    The idea of Force, for instance, was not derived from the thews and muscles of a Man. As the Karaite
    Sign-Language shows, the Force that was "chucking them heaps of water about" was perceived to be
    the wind; the Spirit that moved upon the face of the waters from the beginning. This power was divinised
    in Shu, the God of breathing Force, whose zootype is the Lion as a fitting figure of this panting Power of
    the Air. The element audible in the howling wind, but dimly apprehended otherwise, was given shape and
    substance as the roaring Lion in this substitution of similars. The Force of the element was equated by
    the power of the Animal; and no human thews and sinews could compare with those of the Lion as a
    figure of Force. Thus the Lion speaks for itself, in the language of Ideographic Signs. And in this way the
    Gods and Goddesses of ancient Egypt were at first portrayed as Superhuman Powers by means of living
    Superhuman types.

    If primitive man had projected the shadow of himself upon external nature, to shape its elemental forces
    in his own image, or if the un-featured Vast had unveiled to him any likeness of the human face, [Page 3]
    then the primary representation of the Nature-Powers (which became the later divinities) ought to have
    been anthropomorphic, and the likeness reflected in the mirror of the most ancient mythologies should
    have been human. Whereas the Powers and Divinities were first represented by animals, birds, and
    reptiles, or, to employ a word that includes all classes, they were portrayed by means of zootypes. The
    Sun and Moon were not considered "human in their nature" when the one was imaged as a Crocodile, a
    Lion, a Bull, a Beetle, or a Hawk, and the other as a Hare, a Frog, an Ape, or an Ibis, as they are
    represented in the Egyptian hieroglyphics by means of the zootypes. Until Har-Ur, the Elder Horus, had
    been depicted as the Child in place of the Calf or Lamb, the Fish, or Shoot of the Papyrus-plant (which
    was comparatively late), there was no human figure personalised in the Mythology of Egypt.
    Primitive or paleolithic Man was too beggarly poor in possessions to dream of shaping the Superhuman
    Powers of Nature in the human likeness. There is one all-sufficient reason why he did not; he simply
    could not. And it is precisely because the Makers of the Myths had not the power to animate the universe
    in their own likeness that we have the zoomorphic mode of representation as the Sign-Language of
    Totemism and Mythology. On every line of research we discover that the representation of nature was
    pre-anthropomorphic at first, as we see on going back far enough, and on every line of descent the
    zoomorphic passes ultimately into the human representation. Modern metaphysicians have so developed
    the faculty of abstraction and the disease of Subjectivity that their own mental operations offer no true
    guidance for generalisations concerning primitive or early man, who thought in things and almost
    apprehended with the physical sense-alone.

    They overlook the fact that imaging by means of object-pictures preceded the imagining so often
    ascribed to primitive men. These did not busy themselves and bother their brains with all sorts of vagrant
    fancies instead of getting an actual grasp of the homeliest facts. It was not "Primitive Man" but two
    German metaphysicians who were looking out of window at a falling shower of rain when one of them
    remarked, "Perhaps it is I who am doing that" "Or /," chimed in the other.

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    The present writer once had a cat before whom he placed a sheet of polished tin. The cat saw herself
    reflected as in a mirror, and looked for a short time at her own image. So far as sight and appearance
    went, this might have been another cat. But she proceeded to apply the comparative process and test
    one sense by another, deliberately smelling at the likeness to find out if any cat was there. She did not sit
    down as a non-verifying visionary to formulate hypotheses or conjure up the ghost of a cat. Her sense of
    smell told her that as a matter of fact there was no other cat present; therefore she was not to be misled
    by a false appearance, in which she took no further interest. That, we may infer, was more like the action
    of Primitive Man, who would find no human likeness behind the phenomena of external nature. Indeed,
    man was so generally represented by the animals that the appearance could be mistaken for a primitive
    belief that the animals were his ancestors. But the powers [Page 4] first perceived in external nature were
    not only unlike the human; they were very emphatically and distinctly more than human, and therefore
    could not be adequately expressed by features recognizable as merely human. Primitive men were all
    too abjectly helpless in presence of these powers to think of them or to conceive them in their own
    similitude. The one primordial and most definite fact of the whole matter was the distinct and absolute
    unlikeness to themselves. Also they themselves were too little the cause of anything by the work of their
    own hands to enter into the sphere of causation mentally. They could only apprehend the nature-forces
    by their effects, and try to represent these by means of other powers that were present in nature, but
    which were also necessarily superior to the human and were not the human faculties indefinitely
    magnified. The human being could only impress his own image on external nature in proportion to his
    mastery over natural conditions. He could not have figured the Thunder-bolt as a Stone-axe in the hands
    of a destroying Power until he himself had made and could wield the axe of stone as the weapon of his
    own power. But he could think of it in the likeness of the Serpent already known to him in external nature
    as a figure of fatal force.

    An ignorant explanation of the Egyptian Sign-Language was begun by the Greeks, who could not read
    the hieroglyphics. It was repeated by the Romans, and has been perpetuated by "Classical Scholars"
    ever since. But, as the interpreter of Egypt, that kind of scholastic knowledge is entirely obsolete.
    Ignorance of primitive sign-language has been and is a fertile source of false belief. For example,
    Juvenal asks, " Who does not know what kind of monsters Egypt insanely worships?" (Sat. 15.1.) And
    having seen or heard of the long-tailed Ape in an Egyptian temple, the satirist assumed without question
    that this animal was set up as an object of worship. He did not know that the Ape itself was the
    worshipper, as an image in Sign-Language and as the Saluter of the Gods. Ani, the name of this
    particular Ape, denotes the Saluter, and to salute was an Egyptian gesture of adoration. The Ape or
    Cynocephalus with its paws uplifted is the typical worshipper as Saluter of the Light. It was, and still is,
    looked upon in Africa generally as a pre-human Moon-worshipper, who laments and bewails the
    disappearance of its night-light and rejoices at the renewal and return of that luminary. (Hor-Apollo, B. i,
    14. Also Captain Burton, in a letter to the author.) In the Vignettes to the Ritual, Ani the Ape is the Saluter
    of the rising Sun, that is of Ra, upon the Mount of Sunrise. One of the most profound perversions of the
    past has been made in misapprehending this primitive sign-language for what is designated "Worship",
    whether as "Sun-Worship", "Serpent-Worship", "Tree-Worship", or "Phallic-Worship". The Tree, for
    example, is a type, but the type is not necessarily an object of worship, as misunderstood by those who
    do not read the types when these are rooted in the ground of natural fact. The forest-folk were dwellers in
    the trees, or in the bush. The tree that gave them food and shelter grew to be an object of regard. Hence
    it became a type of the Mother-Earth as the birthplace and abode. Hence Hathor was the hut or house of
    Horus (Har) in the tree. But worship is a word of cant employed by writers who are [Page 5] ignorant of
    sign-language in general. Such phrases as "Stock-and-stone worship" explain nothing and are worse
    than useless. The Mother and Child of all mythology are represented in the Tree and Branch. The Tree
    was a type of the abode, the Roof-tree; the Mother of food and drink; the giver of life and shelter; the wet-

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    nurse in the dew or rain; the producer of her offspring as the branch and promise of periodic continuity.
    Was it the Tree then the Egyptians worshipped, or the Giver of food and shelter in the Tree ? On the Apis
    Stele in the Berlin Museum two priests are saluting the Apis-Bull. This is designated "Apis-worship". But
    the Apis carries the Solar Disk betwixt its horns. This also is being saluted. Which then is the object of
    worship ? There are two objects of religious regard, but neither is the object of adoration. That is the God
    in spirit who was represented as the Soul of life in the Sun and in the Tree, also by the fecundating Bull.
    In this and a thousand other instances it is not a question of worship but of sign-language.
    Nor did Mythology spring from fifty or a hundred different sources, as frequently assumed. It is one as a
    system of representation, one as a mould of thought, one as a mode of expression, and all its great
    primordial types are virtually universal. Neither do the myths that were inherited and repeated for ages by
    the later races of men afford any direct criterion to the intellectual status of such races. A mythical
    representation may be savage without those who preserve it being savages. When the Egyptians in the
    time of Unas speak of the deities devouring souls it is no proof of their being cannibals at the time.
    Mythology has had an almost limitless descent. It was in a savage or crudely primitive state in the most
    ancient Egypt, but the Egyptians who continued to repeat the Myths did not remain savages. The same
    mythical mode of representing nature that was probably extant in Africa 100,000 years ago survives today
    amongst races who are no longer the producers of the Myths and Marchën than they are of
    language itself. Egyptian mythology is the oldest in the world, and it did not begin as an explanation of
    natural phenomena, but as a representation by such primitive means as were available at the time. It
    does not explain that the Sun is a Hawk or the Moon a Cat, or the solar God a Crocodile. Such figures of
    fact belong to the symbolical mode of rendering in the language of animals or zootypes. No better
    definition of "Myth" or Mythology could be given than is conveyed by the word "Sem" in Egyptian. This
    signifies representation on the ground of likeness. Mythology, then, is "representation on the ground of
    likeness", which led to all the forms of sign-language that could ever be employed. The matter has been
    touched upon in previous volumes, but for the purpose of completeness it has to be demonstrated in the
    present work that external nature was primarily imaged in the pre-human likeness. It was the same here
    as in external nature: the animals came first, and the predecessors of Man are primary in Sign-
    Language, Mythology, and Totemism.

    It is quite certain that if the primitive method had been Conceptual and early man had possessed the
    power to impose the likeness of human personality upon external phenomena it would have been in the
    image of the Male, as a type or in the types of power; whereas the primal human personification is in the
    likeness of the female. [Page 6]The great Mother as the primal Parent is a Universal type. There could be
    no divine Father in Heaven until the fatherhood was individualized on earth. Again, if primitive men had
    been able to impose the human likeness on the Mother-Nature the typical Wet-nurse would have been a
    woman. But it is not so; the Woman comes last She was preceded by the Beast itself, the Sow, the
    Hippopotamus, or Lioness, and by the female form that wears the head of the Zootype, the Cow, Frog or
    Serpent, on the body of a divinity. Moreover, the human likeness would, of necessity, have included Sex.
    But the earliest powers recognised in nature are represented as being of no Sex. It is said in the
    Akkadian hymns, "Female they are not, male they are not" Therefore they were not imaged in the human
    likeness. The elements of air, earth, water, fire, darkness and light are of no sex, and the powers first
    recognised in them, whether as destructive or beneficent, are consequently without sex. So far from
    Nature having been conceived or imaged as a non-natural Man in a Mask, with features more or less
    human, however hugely magnified, the mask of human personality was the latest that was fitted to the
    face of external nature. Masks were applied to the face of nature in the endeavour to feature and visibly
    present some likeness of the operative elemental forces and manifesting powers of Air, Fire, Water, Earth

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    Post  Aquaries1111 Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:22 pm

    Thanks Oxy,

    Here's a few more for recommendations.


    Listed Alphabetically by Title, followed by Author's Name

    A Short History of the Bible ....... Bronson C Keeler

    Ancient Egypt - The Light of the World .......Gerald Massey

    Astral Worship ..... J. H. Hill

    Astrological World Cycles ......... Tara Mata (Laurie Pratt)

    Astrotheology & Shamanism - Christianity's Pagan Root.... Jan Irvin & Andrew Rutajit

    Astro-Theology and Sidereal Mythology

    Bible Myths and Parallels to Other Religions ....... Thomas W. Duane

    Blacked Out through Whitewash ...... Suzar

    Celestial Dynamics, A Course of Astro-Metaphysical Study

    Celsus on the True Doctrine - A Discourse Against the Christians
    ..... R. Joseph Hoffman

    Christ in Egypt - The Horus-Jesus Connection .... D.M. Murdock

    Cicero - On the Nature of the Gods Academics .... H. Rackham

    Dance of the Zodiac - Rhythms and Patterns of Creation ..... William Schreib (read review)

    God Save Us from Religion ...... Ian Ross Vayro

    Hermetic Masonry ....... Frank C. Higgins

    Hesiod and Theognis ....... Dorothea Wender

    Jesus and the Lost Goddess - The Secret Teachings of the Original Christians
    ..... Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy

    Julian's Against the Galileans ...... R. Joseph Hoffman

    Lost Light - An Interpretation of Ancient Scriptures .... Alvin Boyd Kuhn

    Lost Star of Myth and Time ..... Walter Cruttenden

    Manilius Astronomica ...... G. P. Goold

    Ovid Matamorphoses ...... Charles Martin

    Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth ...... John G. Jackson

    Plato - The Complete Works ....... John M. Cooper and D.S. Hutchinson

    Plutarch Moralla Volume V ...... Frank Cole Babbitt

    Porphyry's Against the Christians - The Literary Remains ....... R. Joseph Hoffman

    Ruins or Meditations on the Revolutions of Empires and the Law of Nature
    ..... C. F. Volney

    Stellar Theology & Masonic Astronomy ..... Robert Hewitt Brown

    Suns of God Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled
    .... Acharya S (Author of the Christ Conspiracy)

    Symbols, Sex and the Stars .... Ernest Busenbark, Jordan Maxwell (Preface)

    Terabiblos ..... Claudiun Ptolemy

    That Old-Time Religion - The Story of Religious Foundations
    .... Jordan Maxwell, Paul Tice and Alan Snow

    The Astrological Foundation of the Christ Myth - Book 1 ... Malik H Jabbar

    The Astrological Foundation of the Christ Myth - Book 2 ... Malik H Jabbar

    The Astrological Foundation of the Christ Myth - Book 3 ... Malik H Jabbar

    The Astrological Foundation of the Christ Myth - Book 4 ... Malik H Jabbar

    The Bible Fraud .... Tony Bushby

    The Biggest Lie Ever Told ...... Malik H Jabbar

    The Book Your Church Doesn't Want You to Read ...... Tim C. Leedom

    The Christ Conspiracy - The Greatest Story Ever Sold
    .... Acharya S (Author of the Christ Conspiracy)

    The Christians as the Romans Saw them .... Robert Louis Wilken

    The Crucifixion of Truth .... Tony Bushby

    The Dark Side of Christian History .... Helen Ellerbe

    The Devil's Pulpit ..... Rev. Robert Taylor
    The Divine Pymander of Hermes Trismegistus ..... G.R.S. Mead
    The Hermetica ..... Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy

    The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ - Separating Fact from Fiction
    .... Gerald Massey

    The Jesus Mysteries - Was the Original Jesus a Pagan God
    ... Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy

    The Laughing Jesus - Religious Lies and Gnostic Wisdom .. Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy

    The Light of Egypt, The Science of the Soul and Stars ..... Thomas H. Burgoyne

    The Occult Anatomy of Man and Occult Masonry ..... Manly P. Hall

    The Papal Billions ..... Tony Bushby

    The Phenomena and Diosemia of Aratus (1848) ..... Aratus John Lamb

    The Red Sea is your Blood: The New Enlightenment ..... Alvin Boyd Kuhn

    The Sacred Mushroom and The Cross ..... John M. Allegro

    The Secret in the Bible ..... Tony Bushby

    The Twin Deception ..... Tony Bushby

    The Ultimate Canon of Knowledge ..... Alvin Boyd Kuhn
    The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors - Christianity Before Christ ..... Kersey Graves

    They Lied to Us in Sunday School ..... Ian Ross Vayro

    Virgil - Ecologues, Georgics, Aeneid 1-6 ..... H. R. Fairclough, G.P. Goold

    Who is the King of Glory? - A Study of the Christos Messiah Tradition ..... Alvin Boyd Kuhn

    http://www.universaltruthschool.com/readlist.html

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:41 pm

    Thank-you Aquaries1111. As you probably know, I am toying with the hypothesis of an Ancient Conflict of the Ages Involving Archangelic Queens of Heaven in a Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan. I am tentatively attempting to place the 1788 Federalist Papers, the 1898 Desire of Ages, the 1928 Book of Common Prayer, the 1962 Missal, Sacred Classical Music, Advanced Technology, and Genetic Engineering -- in the Context of Ancient Babylon, Egypt, Israel, Greece, and Rome -- from the Perspective of an Environment Such as St. Ouen in France. Imagine St. Ouen as the location where a King and Queen of the United States of the Solar System might reign!! It takes all kinds. Right? Please say 'Yes'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQdyTsD1QaQ&feature=related

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    Thunder and Lightning, Darkness and Dawn, Eclipse and Earthquake, Sand-storm or the drowning
    waters of the Dark. But these masks were Zoomorphic, not human. They imaged the most potent of
    devouring beasts, most cunning of reptiles, most powerful birds of prey. In these monstrous masks we
    see the Primal Powers of Nature all at play, as in the Pantomime, which still preserves a likeness to the
    primordial representation of external nature that is now chiefly known under the names of Mythology and
    Totemism. The Elemental powers operant in external nature were superhuman in the past as they are in
    the present. The Voice of Thunder, the death-stroke of lightning, the Coup de Soleil, the force of fire, or of
    water in flood and the wind in a hurricane were superhuman. So of the Animals and Birds: the powers of
    the hippopotamus, crocodile, serpent, hawk, lion, jackal, and Ape were superhuman, and therefore they
    were adopted as zootypes and as primary representatives of the superhuman Powers of the Elements.
    They were adopted as primitive Ideographs. They were adopted for use and consciously stamped for
    their representative value, not ignorantly worshipped; and thus they became the coins as it were in the
    current medium of exchange for the expression of primitive thought or feeling.

    Sign-language includes the gesture-signs by which the mysteries were danced or otherwise dramatised
    in Africa by the Pygmies and Bushmen; in Totemism, in Fetishism, and in hieroglyphic symbols; very little
    of which language has been read by those who are continually treading water in the shallows of the
    subject without ever touching bottom or attaining foothold in the depths. It is by means of sign-language
    that the Egyptian wisdom keeps the records of the pre-historic past. The Egyptian hieroglyphics show us
    the connection betwixt words and things, also betwixt sounds and words, in a very primitive range of
    human thought. There is no other such a record known in all the world. They consist largely of human
    [Page 7] gesture-signs and the sounds first made by animals, such as "ba" for the goat, "meaou" for the
    cat, "su" for the goose, and "fu" for the Cerastes snake. But the Kamite representation by means of signlanguage
    had begun in inner Africa before the talking animals, birds, and reptiles had been translated
    into the forms of gods and goddesses by the dwellers in the valley of the Nile. The living ideographs or
    zootypes were primary, and can be traced to their original habitat and home, and to nowhere else upon
    the surface of our earth. The cow of the waters there represented the earth-Mother as the great bringerforth
    of life before she was divinised as Apt the goddess in human guise, with the head of a
    hippopotamus. The overseeing Giraffe (or was it the Okapi ?) of Sut, the hawk of Horus, the Kaf-Ape of
    Taht-Aan, the white Vulture of Neith, the Jackal of Anup, and fifty others were pre-extant as the talking
    animals before they were delineated in semi-human guise as gods and goddesses or elemental powers
    thus figured forth in the form of birds and beasts or fish and reptiles. The zootypes were extant in nature
    as figures ready-modelled, pictures ready-made, hieroglyphics and ideographs that moved about alive:
    pictures that were earlier than painting, statues that preceded sculpture, living nature-types that were
    employed when there were no others known to art. Certain primordial types originated in the old dark
    land of Africa. These were perfected in Egypt and thence dispersed about the world. Amongst them is the
    Earth as solid ground amidst the water of surrounding space, or as the bringer-forth of life, depicted as a
    Water-Cow; possibly the Cow of Kintu in Uganda; the Dragon of Darkness or other wide-jawed Swallower
    of the Light that rose up from the Abyss and coiled about the Mount of Earth at night as the Devourer; the
    evergreen Tree of Dawn - pre-eminently African - that rises on the horizon, or upon the Mount of Earth,
    from out the waters of Space; the opposing Elemental Powers beginning with the Twins of Light and
    Darkness who fought in Earth and Heaven and the Nether World; the Great Earth-Mother of the Naturepowers;
    the Seven Children of her womb, and various other types that are one in origin and worldwide in
    their range.

    When the solar force was yet uncomprehended, the sinking Sun could be imaged naturally enough by
    the Beetle boring its way down through the earth, or by the Tortoise that buried itself in the soil: also by

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    the Crocodile making its passage through the waters, or the Golden Hawk that soared up through the air.
    This was representing phenomena in external nature on the ground of likeness when it could not be
    imaged directly by means of words. When it is held, as in Australia, that the Lizard first divided the sexes
    and that it was also the author of marriage, we have to ascertain what the Lizard signified in signlanguage,
    and when we find that, like the serpent or the Frog, it denoted the female period, we see how it
    distinguished or divided the sexes and in what sense it authorized or was the author of Totemic Marriage,
    because of its being a sign or symbol of feminine pubescence. It is said by the Amazulu, that when old
    Women pass away they take the form of a kind of Lizard. This can only be interpreted by knowing the
    ideographic value in the primitive system of Sign-Language in which the Lizard was a zootype. The
    Lizard [Page 8]appeared at puberty, but it disappeared at the turn of life, and with the Old Women went
    the disappearing Lizard.

    The Frog which transformed from the tadpole condition was another Ideograph of female pubescence.
    This may be illustrated by a story that was told some time since by Miss Werner in the Contemporary
    Review which contains a specimen of primitive thought and its mode of expression in perfect survival. It
    happened that a native girl at Blantyre Mission was called by her mistress, a missionary's wife, to come
    and take charge of the baby. Her reply was, "Nchafuleni is not there; she is turned into a frog". (Werner,
    Contemporary Review, Sept., page 378.) She could not come for a reason of Tapu, but said so typically
    in the language of animals. She had made that transformation which first occurs when the young girl
    changes into a woman. She might have said she was a serpent or a lizard or that she was in flower. But
    the frog that changed from a tadpole was also a type of her transformation, and she had figuratively
    become a frog for a few days of seclusion. Similarly the member of a Totem also became a frog, a beetle,
    a bull or bear as a mode of representation, but not because the human being changed into the animal.
    The same things which are said at a later stage by the ideographic Determinatives in the Egyptian
    hieroglyphics had been expressed previously by the Inner African zoo types or living Beasts, Birds and
    Reptiles, as may be seen in the stories told of the talking Animals by the Bushmen. The original records
    still suffice to show that the physical agencies or forces first perceived, were not conceived or mentally
    embodied in the human likeness, and that external nature offered no looking-glass for the human face.
    To take the very illustration adduced by Hume. The original Man in the Moon did not depend upon any
    fancied resemblance to the human face. The Egyptian Man in the Moon, Taht or Tehuti (Greek Thoth),
    had the head of an Ibis or of the Cynocephalus; both Ibis and Cynocephalus were lunar types which
    preceded any human likeness, and these were continued as heads to the human figure after this had
    been adopted. The Man in the Moon, who is Taht (or Khunsu) in Egypt, had a series of predecessors in
    the Dog or Cynocephalus, the Ibis, the Beetle, the Bull, the Frog, and other ideographic figures of lunar
    phenomena. As natural fact, the Ibis was a famous Fisher of the Nile, and its familiar figure was adopted
    as a zootype of Taht, the lunar God. Where the modern saw the New Moon with the "auld Moon in her
    arm", the Egyptian saw the Ibis fishing up the old dark orb from out the waters with the crescent of its
    curving beak, as the recoverer and Saviour of the Drowning Light. The Moon was not looked upon as
    having any human likeness when it was imaged as (or by) the Cat who saw in the dark: the Hare that
    rose up by night and went round the horizon by leaps and bounds: the Ibis as, the returning bird of
    passage and messenger of the Inundation: the Frog that transformed from the tadpole: the old Beetle
    that renewed itself in the earth to come forth as the young one, or the Cow that gave re-birth to the child
    of light as her calf. The sun was not conceived as "human in its nature" when the solar force at dawn was
    imaged by the Lion-faced Atum; the [Page 9] flame of its furnace by the fiery serpent Uati; the soul of its
    life by the Hawk, the Ram, or the Crocodile, which are five Egyptian Zootypes and a fivefold disproof of
    the sun being conceived as or considered human in its nature or similitude.

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    In beginning ab ovo our first lesson is to learn something of the Symbolical Language of Animals, and to
    understand what it is they once said as Zootypes. We have then to use that knowledge in simplifying the
    mysteries of mythology.

    This primitive language is still employed in divers forms. It is extant in the so-called "dead language" of
    the Hieroglyphics; the Ideographs and Pictographs; in the Totemic types, and figures of Tattoo; in the
    portraiture of the Nature-Powers which came to be divinised at length in the human likeness as the Gods
    and Goddesses of Mythology; and in that language of the folk-fables still made use of by the Bushmen,
    Hottentots, and other Africans, in which the Jackal, the Dog, the Lion, the Crane, the White Vulture and
    other beasts and birds keep on talking as they did in the beginning, and continue more or less to say in
    human speech what they once said in the primitive symbolism; that is, they fulfil the same characters in
    the Märchen that were first founded in the Mythos. It has now to be shown how the Mythical mode of
    representing natural phenomena was based upon this primitive system of thought and expression, and
    how the things that were thought and expressed of old in this language constitute the primary stratum of
    what is called "Mythology" to-day.

    In the most primitive phase Mythology is a mode of representing certain elemental powers by means of
    living types that were superhuman like the natural phenomena. The foundations of Mythology and other
    forms of the ancient wisdom were laid in this pre-anthropomorphic mode of primitive representation.
    Thus, to summarise a few of the illustrations. The typical Giant Apap was an enormous water-Reptile.
    The typical Genetrix and Mother of life was a Water-Cow that represented the Earth. The typical Twin-
    Brothers were two Birds or two Beasts. The typical twin brother and sister were a Lion and a Lioness.
    The typical Virgin was a heifer, or a vulture. The typical Messiah was a calf, a lamb or Unbu the Branch.
    The typical Provider was a goose. The typical Chief or Leader is a lion. The typical Artisan is a beetle.
    The typical Physician is an Ibis (which administered the enema to itself). The typical Judge is a Jackal or
    a cynocephalus, whose wig and collar are amusingly suggestive of the English Law-courts. Each and all
    of these and hundreds more preceded personification in the human image. The mighty Infant who slew
    the Dragon or strangled serpents while in his cradle was a later substitute for such a Zootype as the little
    Ichneumon, a figure of Horus. The Ichneumon was seen to attack the cobra di capella and make the
    mortal enemy hide its head and shield its most vital parts within the protecting coils of its own body. For
    this reason the lively, daring little animal was adopted as a zootype of Horus the young Solar God, who in
    his attack upon the Apap-Serpent made the huge and deadly reptile hide its head in its own enveloping
    darkness. But, when the figure is made anthropomorphic and the tiny [Page 10]Conqueror is introduced as
    the little Hero in human form, the beginning of the Mythos and its meaning are obscured. The
    Ichneumon, the Hawk, the Ibis might attack the Cobra, but it was well enough known that a Child would
    not, consequently the original hero was not a Child, although spoken of as a child in the literalised
    marvels, miracles, and fables of "the Infancy".

    It is the present writer's contention that the Wisdom of the Ancients was the Wisdom of Egypt, and that
    her explanation of the Zootypes employed in Sign-Language, Totemism, and Mythology holds good
    wherever the zootypes survive. For example, the Cawichan Tribes say the Moon has a frog in it, and with
    the Selish Indians of North-West America the Frog (or Toad) in the Moon is equivalent to our Man in the
    Moon. They have a tradition that the devouring Wolf being in love with the Frog (or Toad), pursued her
    with great ardour and had nearly caught her when she made a desperate leap and landed safely in the
    Moon, where she has remained to this day. (Wilson, Trans, of Ethnol. Society, 1866, New Series, v. 4,
    page 304.) Which means that the frog, as a type of transformation, was applied to the changing Moon as

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    well as to the Zulu girl, Nchafuleni.

    Sign-language was from the beginning a substitution of similars for the purpose of expression by
    primitive or pre-verbal Man, who followed the animals in making audible sounds accompanied and
    emphasised by human gestures. The same system of thought and mode of utterance were continued in
    mythography and totemism. Renouf says the Scarabeus was "an object of worship in Egypt", as a
    symbol of divinity. But this is the modern error. If there was a God, and the Beetle was his symbol,
    obviously it was the divinity that was the object of worship, not the symbol: not the zootype. Ptah, we
    know, was that divinity, with the Beetle as a type; and those who read the types were worshippers of the
    God and not of his symbolic dung-beetle which was honoured as a sign of transformation. When told that
    the Egyptians were worshippers of the "Bee", the "Mantis", and the "Grasshopper", we recall the words of
    Hor-Apollo, who says that when the Egyptians would symbolise a mystic and one of the Initiated they
    delineate a Grasshopper because the insect does not utter sounds with its mouth, but makes a chirping
    by means of its spine. (B. 2, 55.) The grasshopper, then, which uttered a voice that did not come from its
    mouth, was a living type of superhuman power. And being an image of mystery and superhuman power,
    it was also considered a fitting symbol of Kagn, the Bushman Creator, or Great Spirit of creative mystery.
    Moreover, the grasshopper made his music and revealed his mystery in dancing; and the religious
    mysteries of Kagn were performed with dancing or in the grasshopper's dance. Thus the Initiates in the
    mysteries of the Mantis are identical with the Egyptian Mystae symbolised by the grasshopper; and the
    dancing probably goes back to the time when pre-verbal man was an imitator of the grasshopper, which
    was a primitive type of mystery, like the transforming frog and the self-interring tortoise. There is a
    religious sect still extant in England who are known as the "Jumpers", and their saltatory exercises still
    identify them with the leaping "Grasshoppers" and the "praying Mantis" in the [Page 11] mysteries of old.
    They still “dance that dance”. The “Moon belongs to the Mantis”, say the Bushmen, which goes to show
    that the Mantis was not only a Lunar type as the leaper round the horizon, but on account of its power of
    transformation; and this again suggests the reason why the Mantis should be the zootype of the Mystae
    who transformed in trance, as well as leaped and danced in the mysteries. The Frog and Grasshopper
    were earlier leapers than the Hare. These also were figures of the Moon that leaped up in a fresh place
    every night. It was this leaping up of the light that was imitated in the dances of the Africans who jumped
    for joy at the appearance of the New Moon which they celebrated in the monthly dance, as did the Congo
    Negroes and other denizens of the dark Continent who danced the primitive mysteries and dramatized
    them in their dances.The Leapers were the Dancers, and the leaping Mantis, the Grasshopper, the Frog,
    the Hare, were amongst the pre-human prototypes.

    The frog is still known in popular weather-wisdom as the prophesier of Rain. As such, it must have been
    of vastly more importance in the burning lands of Inner Africa, and there is reason to suppose that Hekat,
    the Consort of Khnum, the King of Frogs, was frog-headed, as the prophetess, or foreteller, on this
    ground of natural fact. Erman says the “great men of the South,” the “Privy Councillors of the royal orders
    were almost always invested – I know not why – with the office of Prophet of the frog-headed Goddess
    Hekat”. (Life in ancient Egypt, page 82. English Translation). The Frog was a prophet of rain in some
    countries, and of spring-time in others.In Egypt it was the prophet of the Inundation, hence Hekat was a
    Consort of Khnum, the Lord of Inundation, and King of the Frogs. Hekat was also the Seer by Night in the
    Moon, as well as the crier for the waters and foreteller of their coming. From her, as Seer in the dark, we
    may derive the names of the Witch as the Hexe, the Hag, the Hagedisse; and also that of the dark
    Goddess Hecate, the sender of dreams. As prophesier of rain, or of the Inundation, it was the herald of
    new life to the land of Egypt, and this would be one reason for its relationship to the Resurrection. But, in
    making its transformation from the tadpole state to that of the frog, it was the figure of a still more

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    important natural fact. This, in the Mythology, was applied to the transformation and renewal of the Moon,
    and to the transformation of the Mortal into an Immortal in the Eschatology, a type of Ptah, who in one
    form is portrayed as the frog-headed God.Lamps have been found in Egypt with the frog upon the upper
    part, and one is known which has the legend , “I am the Resurrection.”
    (Lanzone, Dizionario, page 853; Budge, The Mummy, page 266) – In this figure the lamp is equivalent for
    the rising Sun, and the frog upon it is the type of Ptah, who in his solar character was the Resurrection
    and the life in the Mythology before the image passed into the Eschatology, and the God who rose again
    as Solar became the Light of the World in a Spiritual sense. The frog was a type of transformation, and
    the Frog-headed Ptah made his transformation in Amenta to rise again as the opener of the Nether
    Earth. And as he represented the Sun in Amenta, the frog, like the cynocephalus of Memphis (Rit., Ch.
    42) was imaged as Golden. Thus we find the Sun in the lower Earth of two depicted in the Golden Frog,
    and, as stated by John Bell, the [Page 12] Lamas had an idea that the earth rested on a Golden Frog, and
    that when the Frog stretched out its foot there was an Earthquake. (“A Journey from St. Petersburgh to
    Pekin in the year 1719.” Pinkerton’s Voyages,v.7, page, 369) Here the frog beneath the earth, like the
    Tortoise, is Egyptian, and as such we can learn what fact in nature was represented by it as a zootype of
    Ptah in the Nether World called the Earth of Eternity, where the typical tadpole that swam the waters
    made its transformation into the frog that stretched itself out and set foot on land.

    It is related in a Chinese legend that the lady, Mrs. Chang-ngo, obtained the drug of Immortality by
    stealing it from Si Wang Nu, the Royal Mother of the West. With this she fled to the Moon, and was
    changed into a Frog that is still to be seen on the surface of the orb. (Denny’s, Folk-Lore of China. P.
    117). As Egyptian, the Mother of the West was the Goddess who received the setting Sun and
    reproduced its light. The immortal liquor is the Solar Light. This was stolen for the Moon. Chang-ngo is
    equivalent to the frog-headed Hekat who represented the resurrection. The frog in Egypt, was a sign of
    “myriads” as well as of transformation. In the Moon it would denote myriads of renewals when periodic
    repetition was a mode of immortality. Hekat the frog-headed is the original Cinderella. She makes her
    transformation into Sati, the Lady of Light, whose name is written with an Arrow. Thus to mention only a
    few of the lunar types, the Goddess Hekat represented the moon and its transformation as the Frog. Taht
    and his Cynocephalus represented the man and his dog in the Moon. Osiris represented Lunar Light in
    his character of the Hare-headed Un-Nefer, the up-springing Hare in the Moon. These are Egyptian
    Zootypes to be read wherever found by means of the Egyptian Wisdom. Amongst other Hieroglyphic
    Signs in the Language of Animals, the Head of a Vulture signifies victory (doubtless because of the bird’s
    keen scent for blood). The sheathen claw is a determinative of peaceful actions. The hinder part of the
    Lioness denotes the great magical power. The Tail of the Crocodile is a sign for black and for darkness.
    An Ape is the ideograph of rage and a fiery spirit, or spirit of fire. The sparrow is a type of physical evil
    because of its destructive nature in thieving corn – its name of “Tu-tu” signifies a kind of plague or
    affliction of the fields. (Birch) The Water-wagtail is a type of moral evil. This bird, as Wilkinson pointed
    out, is still called in Egypt the father of corruption (aboo fussad) It was regarded as the type of an impure
    or wicked person, on account of its insidious suggestiveness of immoral motion. The extent to which
    morals and philosophy were taught be means of these living object-pictures cannot now be measured,
    but the moralizing fables spoken as well as acted by the typical animals still offer testimony, and
    language is full of phrases which continue the zootypes into the world of letters, as when the greedy,
    filthy man is called a hog, the grumpy man a bear, the cunning one a fox, the subtle and treacherous one
    a snake.

    In the folk lore of various races the human Soul takes the form of a Snake, a Mouse, a Swallow, a Hawk,
    a Pigeon, a Bee, a Jackal, or other animal, each of which was an Egyptian zootype of some [Page 13]

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    Post  Raven Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:03 pm

    Aquaries1111 wrote:Thanks Oxy,

    Here's a few more for recommendations.


    Listed Alphabetically by Title, followed by Author's Name

    A Short History of the Bible ....... Bronson C Keeler

    Ancient Egypt - The Light of the World .......Gerald Massey

    Astral Worship ..... J. H. Hill

    Astrological World Cycles ......... Tara Mata (Laurie Pratt)

    Astrotheology & Shamanism - Christianity's Pagan Root.... Jan Irvin & Andrew Rutajit

    Astro-Theology and Sidereal Mythology

    Bible Myths and Parallels to Other Religions ....... Thomas W. Duane

    Blacked Out through Whitewash ...... Suzar

    Celestial Dynamics, A Course of Astro-Metaphysical Study

    Celsus on the True Doctrine - A Discourse Against the Christians
    ..... R. Joseph Hoffman

    Christ in Egypt - The Horus-Jesus Connection .... D.M. Murdock

    Cicero - On the Nature of the Gods Academics .... H. Rackham

    Dance of the Zodiac - Rhythms and Patterns of Creation ..... William Schreib (read review)

    God Save Us from Religion ...... Ian Ross Vayro

    Hermetic Masonry ....... Frank C. Higgins

    Hesiod and Theognis ....... Dorothea Wender

    Jesus and the Lost Goddess - The Secret Teachings of the Original Christians
    ..... Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy

    Julian's Against the Galileans ...... R. Joseph Hoffman

    Lost Light - An Interpretation of Ancient Scriptures .... Alvin Boyd Kuhn

    Lost Star of Myth and Time ..... Walter Cruttenden

    Manilius Astronomica ...... G. P. Goold

    Ovid Matamorphoses ...... Charles Martin

    Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth ...... John G. Jackson

    Plato - The Complete Works ....... John M. Cooper and D.S. Hutchinson

    Plutarch Moralla Volume V ...... Frank Cole Babbitt

    Porphyry's Against the Christians - The Literary Remains ....... R. Joseph Hoffman

    Ruins or Meditations on the Revolutions of Empires and the Law of Nature
    ..... C. F. Volney

    Stellar Theology & Masonic Astronomy ..... Robert Hewitt Brown

    Suns of God Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled
    .... Acharya S (Author of the Christ Conspiracy)

    Symbols, Sex and the Stars .... Ernest Busenbark, Jordan Maxwell (Preface)

    Terabiblos ..... Claudiun Ptolemy

    That Old-Time Religion - The Story of Religious Foundations
    .... Jordan Maxwell, Paul Tice and Alan Snow

    The Astrological Foundation of the Christ Myth - Book 1 ... Malik H Jabbar

    The Astrological Foundation of the Christ Myth - Book 2 ... Malik H Jabbar

    The Astrological Foundation of the Christ Myth - Book 3 ... Malik H Jabbar

    The Astrological Foundation of the Christ Myth - Book 4 ... Malik H Jabbar

    The Bible Fraud .... Tony Bushby

    The Biggest Lie Ever Told ...... Malik H Jabbar

    The Book Your Church Doesn't Want You to Read ...... Tim C. Leedom

    The Christ Conspiracy - The Greatest Story Ever Sold
    .... Acharya S (Author of the Christ Conspiracy)

    The Christians as the Romans Saw them .... Robert Louis Wilken

    The Crucifixion of Truth .... Tony Bushby

    The Dark Side of Christian History .... Helen Ellerbe

    The Devil's Pulpit ..... Rev. Robert Taylor
    The Divine Pymander of Hermes Trismegistus ..... G.R.S. Mead
    The Hermetica ..... Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy

    The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ - Separating Fact from Fiction
    .... Gerald Massey

    The Jesus Mysteries - Was the Original Jesus a Pagan God
    ... Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy

    The Laughing Jesus - Religious Lies and Gnostic Wisdom .. Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy

    The Light of Egypt, The Science of the Soul and Stars ..... Thomas H. Burgoyne

    The Occult Anatomy of Man and Occult Masonry ..... Manly P. Hall

    The Papal Billions ..... Tony Bushby

    The Phenomena and Diosemia of Aratus (1848) ..... Aratus John Lamb

    The Red Sea is your Blood: The New Enlightenment ..... Alvin Boyd Kuhn

    The Sacred Mushroom and The Cross ..... John M. Allegro

    The Secret in the Bible ..... Tony Bushby

    The Twin Deception ..... Tony Bushby

    The Ultimate Canon of Knowledge ..... Alvin Boyd Kuhn
    The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors - Christianity Before Christ ..... Kersey Graves

    They Lied to Us in Sunday School ..... Ian Ross Vayro

    Virgil - Ecologues, Georgics, Aeneid 1-6 ..... H. R. Fairclough, G.P. Goold

    Who is the King of Glory? - A Study of the Christos Messiah Tradition ..... Alvin Boyd Kuhn

    http://www.universaltruthschool.com/readlist.html


    Misguided ravings of NABS disinformants, pretending to reference historically valid information.

    Some of those 'authors' claim Jesus is the sun and never existed as a person (astrotheology bunk aka Maxwell, Acharya, Bonacci and co); others say he existed but was substituted (Seth channelings and Courtney Brown and co.) and most simply misidentify valid symbols and archetypes of mythology, say as from the Hermetica as some ego-serving denial of what might be threatening to their self-serving worldviews:

    This will be my last comment on the misinformation and New Age BS.

    Beware of the false messengers, readers of those forums! There is a new world on the horizon and it will be easy to fail the resonance tests of particular new energies perpetuating this new world in a change or transformation of certain elementals.

    Raven Crazy Happy study in discernment



    For example, the Bushby fairy tales:


    The Bible Fraud by Tony Bushby has the inauthentic Pope Leo X quote on the cover. That turns out to be thematic.
    Let's start with a summary of the plot:

    Jesus married Mary Magdalene as well as two other women in his lifetime. Mary was a descendant of King Herod and Jesus was a descendant of a Celtic king named Lud. (I don't know how a Celtic managed to work his way to, and survive in, Jewish Palestine, where he'd stick out like the sorest thumb this side of Los Angeles.)  Archangelic Queens of Heaven and the United States of the Solar System - Page 22 Bfraud
    Jesus' line eventually fostered Constantine [15]. However, Jesus and a twin brother named Judas Khrestus (?!) were "conceived by rape or adultery" between a member of Herod's family and the Emperor Tiberius. [41] Some stories in the Gospels, like the Temple cleansing, are actually about Khrestus [67] and this Khrestus escaped a sentence of crucifixion imposed by Caligula in 37 by appealing to an "age-old tradition" that allowed him to have someone sub in for him [84].
    Judas later went to India to learn things [90]. Jesus became a king of Britain named Cunobelinus [108] where he also joined a Druidic order [115] and acquired the name Bran the Blessed [117].
    He was later captured by Rome in war [125] but escaped execution because of his connections with Roman aristocracy. He later went to Egypt to be initiated into mysteries [141] but sometime later was stoned to death [153].

    Clues for this whole story can be found in all sorts of places ranging from conveniently inaccessible manuscripts to statues in France and even in the works of Shakespeare. Unfortunately, much of what would prove this has been burned by the church, and other things have been edited or interpolated to hide all this.
    That's it. Now if you're still thinking this might have some credence, here's some particulars analyzed.


    • Bushby thinks his book was predicted by Nostradamus [11].
    • Many of his sources are -- conveniently -- "preserved in rare archival manuiscripts and difficult-to-find reference books." Among these sources are such items as the "Myvyean Manuscript" [18] in the British Museum. For some reason the only actual reference to this document anywhere online comes from references to Bushby.
      And little wonder why. Tekton Research Assistant "Punkish" won the Gold Star of his life with this one -- he lives in the UK, and was able to contact the British Museum about this. His report:
      I wrote to the British Library (who now house the manuscript collection that used to be kept at the British Museum) about this "Myvyean manuscript" and the official reply from Michael St.John-McAlister, the Curator of the Dept. of Manuscripts is this:

      "I am afraid that I can find no reference to such a manuscript in our collections. We receive many similar enquiries relating to subject matter such as this and I have to say many of them are hoaxes or refer to non-existent manuscripts."

      So much for Bushby as a credible source on alleged mystery documents.
    • In addition, because many people will disagree with his book, Bushby will "not engage in written religious argument with readers" who disagree. [12]
      The words "non sequitur" spring to mind.
    • Sir Francis Bacon edited the KJV [20]. Now this is an idea you do see offered up on some websites, but not one of them I have found to be of any academic bent. The source Bushby gives is by an author named Alfred Dodd who wrote some rather peculiar books like Shakespeare: Creator of Freemasonry. (He also appeals to "original documents" in the British museum that allegedly prove this, but are conveniently unquoted and unreferenced otherwise.)

      The idea that Bacon had some part in the KJV is so outraegous that apparently not even the folks at Wikipedia are willing to let it stand.
      Bacon is also said to have edited the plays of Shakespeare and added secret messages....on that one, I'll refer to a lively discussion here by an academic source and a rather detailed discussion here by someone who passes the critical source test.
    • Morton Smith is used as a source with his Secret Gospel of Mark and claim that a tombstone in Germany of a Roman soldier may have been that of Jesus' father [29].
    • It's not quite The Da Vinci Code, but the Last Supper is used for an argument as it is claimed that one of the disicples (the fifth from the right of Jesus) looks like Jesus' twin, thus evidently showing Leonrado believed in Bushby's twin theory.
      From what I see of that painting, that's as much imagination as Dan Brown offers to make John a woman; it is an idea also found on some conspiracy-theory sites, but the resemblance is highly superficial and the alleged "twin" has a chin that juts out rather more than Jesus'.

      Michealangelo is also said to have endorsed this idea, as well as Raphael, but what Bushby takes for twin sons of Mary are always taken by credible art historians as the infants Jesus and John the Baptist. Bushby dismisses this by claiming that the boys are "identical" which is quite imaginative and clearly false:
       Archangelic Queens of Heaven and the United States of the Solar System - Page 22 Twins
      The hairstyles and color are entirely different; the chins do not match, and little John already has on his prophetic garment, while Jesus is the only one with a halo.
    • Also in common with Dan Brown, Bushby makes use of the legendary Abbe' Sauniere [47] who allegedly became rich thanks to some secret documents he found in a hollow pillar in his church in France. Olson and Miesel say it all in their comments in The Da Vinci Hoax:
      [Suaniere] was in fact a simoniac priest whose wealth came from selling overbooked Masses until he was suspended by his bishop in 1911. The parchments were fake, the pillar was not hollow, and the tomb was not painted by Nicholas Poussin in his two works titled Et in Arcadia Ego. The so-called mystery was invented by a local restaurant owner in the 1950s to attract tourists." [237]
    • "Old records" of unspecificed origin and nature tell us that the Pharisees were founded by a "Pharez" who "developed a school of Predestination" and the Sadducees by one "Sadoc" who was "a disciple of Antigonus Scohaeus" who had allegedly founded a "School of Infidels". [51]

      Needless to say this is a mix of fact and fiction. The name of the Pharisees comes from the word perushim, which means separatists. "Sadducees" is perhaps properly taken from a "Sadoc" -- one of Solomon's priests in the OT, whom they regarded as their ideological ancestor, if the derivation is correct -- others argue that it comes from a Greek word for "fiscal officials" but a connection to this alleged Antigonus is not one of the options scholars use.
      Of course there are no other references to this "School of Infidels" or this Antigonus online, expect from those copying Bushby.
    • The Essenes are connected with the Druids of Gaul [523].
    • Even if the quote from Julian is correct [57] it has the facts mangled; Paul, Matthew and Mark all equate Jesus with divine Wisdom.
    • Bushby repeats Harpur's argument about KRST [58].
    • Bushby claims he made clergy "squirm" by asking about where Jesus was called a glutton and a drunkard. Such names were simply stock rhetoric of the time; just as the the Pharisees were not actually vipers and hypocrites, and also whitewashed walls [64].
    • The Gauls are the same people as those who lived in Galilee [75].
    • A microcosm is offered of Remsberg's list [87].
    • Bushby repeats an Anglo-Israelist argument I last saw used by Herbert Armstrong [99] that "British" combines the two Hebrew words for covenant (berit) and man (ish). More serious sources connect the name to that of a tribe of Picts, the Pritani. Also the home of Mary Magdalene, Dalmanutha [105], is in South Wales.
    • Paul [134] at one point had to flee to Wales and there was protected. One source for this information is "an ancient manuscript in Merton College".
    • Bushby uses the "Bacchus on the cross" gem of Freke and Gandy [197] -- yes, the one that's a forgery -- as well as offering all the usual copycat candidates (Mithra, Attis, etc.)

    I really see no need to say more. The ideas Bushby propounds lend little credence to the rest of what he writes, though of course anyone who wishes to have me look into specific claims made by Bushby is welcome to request that I do so.

    Someone else critiques Bushby here.
    -JPH


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    Post  Aquaries1111 Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:16 pm

    orthodoxymoron wrote: What do you think of the thread title 'Archangelic Queens of Heaven and the United States of the Solar System'? This title could be interpreted in several different ways -- couldn't it? I will remain somewhat ambiguous regarding my intended meaning. I will try to remain mostly silent in the comming weeks -- although I might post some images and text -- such as from the work of Gerald Massey (who I am not necessarily endorsing -- but who might be an important part of solving the nasty puzzle facing humanity (and other than human races?).

    Ancient Egypt: The Light of the World

    A Work of Reclamation and Restitution in Twelve Books by Gerald Massey


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    Wow Wee Oxy,

    Amazing... I may just have to read the whole book.. The little you posted is excellent and ties in some things for me in my own mind. Simply fascinating.. I'm still only on page 3 or so of this thread so as far as the new title you chose.. I'm sure it qualifies.. else you wouldn't have changed it.. I was a little miffed at first when I searched for Solar System and usually yours pops right up.. the change has changed its status to further down the line.. Maybe reverse it? The United States of the Solar System and Archangelic Queens of Heavens.. either way.. I'm happy this thread is continuing... Danka Danka.. Oh don't know if you noticed or not but 3 pages back or so I added a song to a posting of mine (yesterday).. in case you didn't see it.. I add it here for you..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6b9ZQAujwU&feature=related





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