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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:36 am

    I posted way too many videos on the previous page, so I'm dividing most of the posts into more manageable portions, but technically, I'm not adding to this thread. I pledged to End the Thread. I cobbled together several posts which might or might-not apply as a whole. This is mostly 'DISCOVERY'. I'm truth-seeking in a Chad Decker (from 'V') sort of journalistic manner. Chad might have more to do with this than you might imagine. I tend to identify with Chad. I don't think we've met, but I never know. Especially Now. I often wonder if we live in a Haunted Planet. I really need some of you to evaluate this page. My current inclination is to walk away from everyone and everything, but this might be the chips, nanobots, neurotoxins, nefarious entities, and artificial intelligence talking.
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    Archangel ??? = Lilith = Enki = Martha Jones = Jupiter Jones = Indiana Jones = Richard Hillary = ????? Who Knows?? Dr. Who?? Who?? Regarding the images and videos below -- I had a 1975 AMC Pacer (purchased by my parents in 1975). My father drove a "Ghostbuster" 1959 Cadillac Sedan de Ville while working at CBS (with 076 CBS plates -- if I remember correctly -- or was it CBS 076??). He kept the stars cool. I spent a significant amount of time within CBS Television City in "Hollywood" (throughout the building). The atmosphere was heavy and a bit strange. The Executives Could Burn a Hole Through You -- Just by Looking At You!! The CBS Eye is Always Watching!! The 1977 movie Oh God!! was extremely prophetic of my pathetic-life -- and I didn't see that movie until probably 5 years ago!! I even drove a CAB!! My name is quite similar to Dr. Venkman (in Ghostbusters)!! Notice that Darth Vader also involves D.V. What Would David Mann (from Duel) Say?? What Would David Bowman (from 2001: A Space Odyssey) Say?? What Would David Bowie Say?? What Would Alan Rickman Say?? Is Azazel a Victim?? The Russell Crowe and Ben Affleck thing is somewhat creepy to me!! What Would Mitchell Say?? Something is REALLY Screwy about my life!! What Would Jupiter Jones Say?? I was honestly born in the "House of Leo" (but not astrologically)!! Jupiter Ascending = Jupiter Rose?? What Would David Rose Say?? What Would Judy Garland Say?? What Would Red Skelton Say?? What Would Michael Landon Say?? Some of you might know what I'm talking about!! Please remember that I'm modeling a general-phenomenon in a highly-speculative manner. Take this Siriusly -- but not too Seriously!! What Would the Prince of Sirius Say?? BTW -- I lived next to that olive-orchard shown below. What Would Glen Hill Drive?? The fan in my laptop just went into overdrive -- which probably means that someone is messing with my computer -- possibly because of the content of this post.

    I'll read and re-read these U.S.S.S. Threads -- but I'm honestly burned-out and quite-miserable -- so don't expect a lot of responsiveness out of me. I'm in the middle of attempting to understand some problematic key-concepts in my theological-education -- and it's not going so well. I really don't wish to drag others along with me down a really-nasty rabbit-hole. I certainly do not wish to bog any of you down with my heavy-spirit. I don't socialize much -- and I'm contemplating becoming even more isolated. I honestly appreciate buoyant-spirits and profound-logic -- but it's the sort of thing one must become immersed in -- in order to properly comprehend and respond to. I'm just not up to speed at this point -- and I might not be vibrating fast enough for this sort of discourse for the remainder of this present incarnation. I think I'm screwed in more ways than I can imagine. The plan was probably to build me up -- and then cut me down -- but I screwed-up everyone's plans by being a screw-up. Sorry about that. An Absolutely-Obedient Exemplary-Telegenic Perfectly-Possessed Teleprompter-Reading Eschatological-Scapegoat should be easy to find. I respectfully request that whatever bad-things have significantly and nefariously happened to me and/or will happen to me -- be mercilessly-avenged (even if it takes all-eternity). I'm talking about the really-major stuff. It's all fun and games until someone loses a wiener!! What Would Set Do?? What Would Osiris Say?? "*&^%$#@!!!!!"???? What Would Isis Do?? What Would Horus Do?? What Would Serqet Say??

    Consider one last minimal-list (as a mental and spiritual exercise):

    1. Job through Malachi (NIV and/or NKJV).

    2. Prophets and Kings (Ellen White).

    3. Volume 4 (Isaiah through Malachi) of the SDA Bible Commentary (1977 Edition).

    4. Daniel 8:14, the Day of Atonement, and the Investigative Judgment (Desmond Ford).

    5. The United States of the Solar System: A.D. 2133 (Books One to Eleven).

    6. The End of the World, A.D. 2133 (Lucio Bernardo Silvestre).

    You might not be able to find The End of the World, A.D. 2133. I've looked high and low for information about that book and its author -- with no-luck whatsoever (even with the help of a librarian). My book was in the Library of Congress -- but that particular book is no longer available. I paid dearly for my copy -- and I'm beginning to wonder if it's the only one?! It's really creepy that I got fixated on that A.D. 2133 termination-date for the 2300 days/years of Daniel 8:14 -- and then happened to find that book on Amazon -- at a very-high price. I waited for many months, until they lowered the price, before I bought it -- but it was still very-expensive. It's unbelievably complex and articulate. It reminds me of the apocalyptic work of Isaac Newton!! Who Knows?? It's almost as if the book were specifically intended for me!! I like the book -- with the exception of the last couple of chapters, which are quite horrific and harsh. I'm trying to achieve some sort of Galactic-Justice without Fire and Brimstone. I'm a Law-and-Order kind of guy!!

    I think William Miller got it wrong. I think the SDA Church got it wrong. I think Desmond Ford got it wrong. I know that I don't know BUT an Investigative and Executive Judgment between now and A.D. 2133 wouldn't surprise me one little bit. What if we live in a Universe of Ruthless-Conquest and Kangaroo-Courts??!! PLEASE Study All of the Sources Listed Above (with the probable exception of that last item). I think this might be EXTREMELY Important!! I don't think you all realize how utterly screwed we might really be!! If you studied what I've studied -- spoke with the individuals of interest I've spoken with -- and agonized over the whole mess as much as I have -- you'd probably be as screwed-up as I am (or worse)!! But you would KNOW!! Notice that I'm not trying to get you to join the SDA Church (even though I include a lot of fringe and out of date SDA material). I continue to consider myself as being sort of a Renegade French Jesuit Organist (even though I'm not even close to that description)!! I think I'm truly a Lone-Nut!! But I think certain members of this forum KNOW Exactly What I'm Talking About!! I think the City-States KNOW Exactly What I'm talking about!! Unfortunately, I think Mankind might have to Learn the HARD-WAY!! This might NOT End Well!!

    What would an extensive Old-Testament Major and Minor Prophet Study reveal?? You know -- Isaiah through Malachi. I tend to shy-away from prophecy. I don't usually play numbers-games -- or indulge in speculative futuristic adventures BUT what if these 17 books are somehow a script or a verdict which MUST be followed (rather than being predictive in nature)?? What about Messianic-Prophecy and Eschatology in the Major and Minor Prophets?? What is the Law of God revealed in these 17 books?? Deuteronomy?? Proverbs?? Both?? Neither?? I've started reading Volume Four of the SDA Bible Commentary -- which covers Isaiah through Malachi. Some of my former teachers are contributors. The authors of that volume are SDA Scholar Rock-Stars!! One shouldn't take their 1950's work lightly. This was a different era, wherein the Bible was seemingly taken more seriously than more recently. In many ways, I'd rather just live in the NOW -- but I seem to be compelled to properly deal with history as a prerequisite to being properly qualified to deal with the present and the future.

    I get the sinking-feeling that this game is NOT what we might wish for it to be. We tend to interpret what is happening to us in terms which make us feel good about ourselves -- but what is the REAL REALITY?? I think I've gotten WARM within my three latest U.S.S.S. Threads -- but I don't think I've gotten HOT. Please at least read that SDA Bible Commentary (volume 4 -- Isaiah through Malachi). I mentioned the possibility of a missing Inter-Testament Old-Testament Commentary. Well, that volume might approximate such a commentary. What if 99% of humanity have gotten it wrong -- lifetime after lifetime after lifetime?? What if humanity is running out of lifetimes?? Regarding Religion -- What If Bigger Does NOT Equal Righter?? What if "getting it right" primarily involves getting Isaiah through Malachi right?? How much of Genesis through Song of Solomon is contained or discussed in Isaiah through Malachi?? How much of Matthew through Revelation is genuinely prophesied in Isaiah through Malachi?? How much of the Old-Testament is contained or discussed in the New-Testament?? Does each religion and church MAKE the Bible Say What They Want It to Say?? Is God the Father perfect in the Bible?? Does God the Father keep the Ten-Commandments?? Is Jesus perfect in the Bible?? Does Jesus keep the Ten-Commandments?? Are the Angels perfect in the Bible?? Do the Angels keep the Ten-Commandments?? Is the Bible simply a Tool to Keep People in Line?? Why do I feel as if I might be in conflict with Both Humanity and Divinity Within This Particular Solar System?? What if I'm NOT From Around Here?? Is It OK for US to Compete with God?? Is It OK for God to Compete with US?? Once again -- consider Possibility-Thinking Relative to Sacred-Scripture.

    Is the New-Testament really a product of the Roman-Empire?? Have we lived under a Roman-Empire since the Second Century B.C.?? Is the Roman Catholic Church just the Tip of a Roman-Empire Iceberg?? Is the Roman-Empire the Real Secret-Government?? Is the Roman-Empire controlled by an Orion--Babylonian-- Egyptian--Persian--Grecian--British--Israel Empire?? Does the Roman-Empire do the dirty-work for a Huge and Ancient Galactic-Empire?? What if Past, Present, and Future Politics and Religion MUST be Combined with Science-Fiction to get-at what is REALLY Going-On in This Solar System?? Am I risking my life by uttering such things?? Don't Be Frightened. I Mean No Harm. Not Much, Anyway. For Now. Consider the possibility of the Editorial-Content of Patriarchs and Prophets -- Prophets and Kings -- and The Desire of Ages -- as having Messianic-Significance in a Non-Traditional Sense. The Medium is the Message?? What Would Marshall McLuhan Say?? Think Long and Hard About What I Just Said.

    Anyway, I thank all of you for taking the time to talk to me. It adds a lot to what I'm trying to communicate. I combine a particular conceptual-core with the profound embellishments of others -- which produces a delightful potpourri of enlightenment. I've enjoyed our conversations over the past few years. I've completed my threads (for now) and I intend to privately reflect upon the territory covered in this pseudo-intellectual quest -- as a somewhat focused research-project. I'm sure I don't have the answers. Just the questions. I know that I don't know. No matter how one puts things together (pursuant to the truth) it always seems to be wrong. I'm OK with that. I'll just keep asking questions -- and seeking answers -- mostly privately. Someone once said "The World is Full of Questions. The Idiots Are Full of Answers." I recently posted that quote -- and then removed it. I thought it was too harsh -- but perhaps I should've kept it. I think I might be one of those idiots. I've been repeatedly told that I need to "Empty My Mind" But How Do I Empty My Mind When I'm Already a Completely Ignorant Fool?? Perhaps what I really need is a Real-Education in a Subterranean 600 Square-Foot Office-Apartment in a Cool-Location. Hope Springs Eternal. What Would Gizeh-Intelligence Say?? East of Giza is a Pyramid-Scheme?? I should STOP!! They have ways to make me STOP!! Many Ways...

    http://whiteestate.org/books/pk/pk60.html In the darkest days of her long conflict with evil, the church of God has been given revelations of the eternal purpose of Jehovah. His people have been permitted to look beyond the trials of the present to the triumphs of the future, when, the warfare having been accomplished, the redeemed will enter into possession of the promised land. These visions of future glory, scenes pictured by the hand of God, should be dear to His church today, when the controversy of the ages is rapidly closing and the promised blessings are soon to be realized in all their fullness.

    Many were the messages of comfort given the church by the prophets of old. "Comfort ye, comfort ye My people" (Isaiah 40:1.), was Isaiah's commission from God; and with the commission were given wonderful visions that have been the believers' hope and joy through all the centuries that have followed. Despised of men, persecuted, forsaken, God's children in every age have nevertheless been sustained by His sure promises. By faith they have looked forward to the time when He will fulfill to His church the assurance, "I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations." Isaiah 60:15.

    Often the church militant is called upon to suffer trial and affliction; for not without severe conflict is the church to triumph. "The bread of adversity," "the water of affliction" (Isaiah 30:20), these are the common lot of all; but none who put their trust in the One mighty to deliver will be utterly overwhelmed. "Thus saith the Lord that created thee, O Jacob, and He that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name, thou art Mine. When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee. For I am the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. Since thou wast precious in My sight, thou hast been honorable, and I have loved thee: therefore will I give men for thee, and people for thy life." Isaiah 43:1-4.

    There is forgiveness with God; there is acceptance full and free through the merits of Jesus, our crucified and risen Lord. Isaiah heard the Lord declaring to His chosen ones: "I, even I, am He that blotteth out thy transgressions for Mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins. Put Me in remembrance: let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified." "Thou shalt know that I the Lord am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob." Verses 25, 26; 60:16.

    "The rebuke of His people shall He take away," the prophet declared. "They shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the Lord." He hath appointed "to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that He might be glorified."

    "Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion;
    Put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the Holy City:
    For henceforth there shall no more come unto thee the
    uncircumcised and the unclean.
    "Shake thyself from the dust;
    Arise, and sit down, O Jerusalem:
    Loose thyself from the bands of thy neck, O captive daughter
    of Zion."

    "O thou afflicted, tossed with tempest, and not comforted,
    Behold, I will lay thy stones with fair colors,
    And lay thy foundations with sapphires.

    "And I will make thy windows of agates.
    And thy gates of carbuncles,
    And all thy borders of pleasant stones.

    "And all thy children shall be taught of the Lord;
    And great shall be the peace of thy children.
    In righteousness shalt thou be established:

    "Thou shalt be far from oppression; for thou shalt not fear:
    And from terror; for it shall not come near thee.
    Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by Me:
    Whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall
    for thy sake. . . .

    "No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper;
    And every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment
    thou shalt condemn.
    This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord,
    And their righteousness is of Me, saith the Lord."
    Isaiah 25:8; 62:12; 61:3; 52:1, 2; 54:11-17.

    Clad in the armor of Christ's righteousness, the church is to enter upon her final conflict. "Fair as the moon, clear as the sun, and terrible as an army with banners" (Song of Solomon 6:10), she is to go forth into all the world, conquering and to conquer.

    The darkest hour of the church's struggle with the powers of evil is that which immediately precedes the day of her final deliverance. But none who trust in God need fear; for "when the blast of the terrible ones is as a storm against the wall," God will be to His church "a refuge from the storm." Isaiah 25:4.

    In that day only the righteous are promised deliverance. "The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil; he shall dwell on high: his place of defense shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure." Isaiah 33:14-16.

    The word of the Lord to His faithful ones is: "Come, My people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. For, behold, the Lord cometh out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity." Isaiah 26:20, 21. In visions of the great judgment day the inspired messengers of Jehovah were given glimpses of the consternation of those unprepared to meet their Lord in peace.

    "Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof; . . . because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate. . . . The mirth of tabrets ceaseth, the noise of them that rejoice endeth, the joy of the harp ceaseth." Isaiah 24:1-8.

    "Alas for the day! for the day of the Lord is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come. . . . The seed is rotten under their clods, the garners are laid desolate, the barns are broken down; for the corn is withered. How do the beasts groan! the herds of cattle are perplexed, because they have no pasture; yea, the flocks of sheep are made desolate." "The vine is dried up, and the fig tree languisheth; the pomegranate tree, the palm tree also, and the apple tree, even all the trees of the field, are withered: because joy is withered away from the sons of men." Joel 1:15-18, 12.

    "I am pained at my very heart," Jeremiah exclaims as he beholds the desolations wrought during the closing scenes of earth's history. "I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war. Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled." Jeremiah 4:19, 20.

    "The loftiness of man shall be bowed down," declares Isaiah of the day of God's vengeance, "and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day. And the idols He shall utterly abolish. . . . In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats; to go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of His majesty, when He ariseth to shake terribly the earth." Isaiah 2:17-21.

    Of those times of transition, when the pride of man shall be laid low, Jeremiah testifies: "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down." "Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it." Jeremiah 4:23-26; 30:7.

    The day of wrath to the enemies of God is the day of final deliverance to His church. The prophet declares:

    "Strengthen ye the weak hands,
    And confirm the feeble knees.

    Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be
    strong, fear not:
    Behold, your God will come with vengeance,
    Even God with a recompense;
    He will come and save you."

    "He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of His people shall He take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it." Isaiah 35:3, 4; 25:8. And as the prophet beholds the Lord of glory descending from heaven with all the holy angels, to gather the remnant church from among the nations of earth, he hears the waiting ones unite in the exultant cry:

    "Lo, this is our God;
    We have waited for Him,
    And He will save us:
    This is the Lord;
    We have waited for Him,
    We will be glad and rejoice
    in His salvation."
    Isaiah 25:9.

    The voice of the Son of God is heard calling forth the sleeping saints, and as the prophet beholds them coming from the prison house of death, he exclaims, "Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead."

    "Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened,
    And the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.
    Then shall the lame man leap as an hart,
    And the tongue of the dumb sing."
    Isaiah 26:19; 35:5, 6.

    In the visions of the prophet, those who have triumphed over sin and the grave are now seen happy in the presence of their Maker, talking freely with Him as man talked with God in the beginning. "Be ye glad," the Lord bids them, "and rejoice forever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in My people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying." "The inhabitant shall not say, I am sick: the people that dwell therein shall be forgiven their iniquity."

    "In the wilderness shall waters break out,
    And streams in the desert.
    And the parched ground shall become a pool,
    And the thirsty land springs of water."
    "Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree,
    And instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree."

    "And an highway shall be there, and a way,
    And it shall be called The way of holiness;
    The unclean shall not pass over it;
    But it shall be for those:
    The wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein."

    "Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins." Isaiah 65:18, 19; 33:24; 35:6, 7; 55:13; 35:8; 40:2.

    As the prophet beholds the redeemed dwelling in the City of God, free from sin and from all marks of the curse, in rapture he exclaims, "Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her."

    "Violence shall no more be heard in thy land,
    Wasting nor destruction within thy borders;
    But thou shalt call thy walls Salvation,
    And thy gates Praise.
    "The sun shall be no more thy light by day;
    Neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee:
    But the Lord shall be unto thee an everlasting light,
    And thy God thy glory.

    "Thy sun shall no more go down;
    Neither shall thy moon withdraw itself:
    For the Lord shall be thine everlasting light,
    And the days of thy mourning shall be ended.

    "Thy people also shall be all righteous:
    They shall inherit the land forever,
    The branch of My planting,
    The work of My hands,
    That I may be glorified."
    Isaiah 66:10; 60:18-21.

    The prophet caught the sound of music there, and song, such music and song as, save in the visions of God, no mortal ear has heard or mind conceived. "The ransomed of the Lord shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away." "Joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody." "As well the singers as the players on instruments shall be there." "They shall lift up their voice, they shall sing for the majesty of the Lord." Isaiah 35:10; 51:3; Psalm 87:7; Isaiah 24:14.

    In the earth made new, the redeemed will engage in the occupations and pleasures that brought happiness to Adam and Eve in the beginning. The Eden life will be lived, the life in garden and field. "They shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of My people, and Mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands." Isaiah 65:21, 22.

    There every power will be developed, every capability increased. The grandest enterprises will be carried forward, the loftiest aspirations will be reached, the highest ambitions realized. And still there will appear new heights to surmount, new wonders to admire, new truths to comprehend, fresh objects of study to call forth the powers of body and mind and soul.

    The prophets to whom these great scenes were revealed longed to understand their full import. They "inquired and searched diligently:. . . searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify. . . . Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you." 1 Peter 1:10-12.

    To us who are standing on the very verge of their fulfillment, of what deep moment, what living interest, are these delineations of the things to come--events for which, since our first parents turned their steps from Eden, God's children have watched and waited, longed and prayed!

    Fellow pilgrim, we are still amid the shadows and turmoil of earthly activities; but soon our Saviour is to appear to bring deliverance and rest. Let us by faith behold the blessed hereafter as pictured by the hand of God. He who died for the sins of the world is opening wide the gates of Paradise to all who believe on Him. Soon the battle will have been fought, the victory won. Soon we shall see Him in whom our hopes of eternal life are centered. And in His presence the trials and sufferings of this life will seem as nothingness. The former things "shall not be remembered, nor come into mind." "Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompense of reward. For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. For yet a little while, and He that shall come will come, and will not tarry." "Israel shall be saved. . . with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end." Isaiah 65:17; Hebrews 10:35-37; Isaiah 45:17.

    Look up, look up, and let your faith continually increase. Let this faith guide you along the narrow path that leads through the gates of the city into the great beyond, the wide, unbounded future of glory that is for the redeemed. "Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh." James 5:7, 8.

    The nations of the saved will know no other law than the law of heaven. All will be a happy, united family, clothed with the garments of praise and thanksgiving. Over the scene the morning stars will sing together, and the sons of God will shout for joy, while God and Christ will unite in proclaiming. "There shall be no more sin, neither shall there be any more death."

    "And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, saith the Lord." "The glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together." "The Lord God will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations." "In that day shall the Lord of hosts be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of His people."

    "The Lord shall comfort Zion: He will comfort all her waste places; and He will make her wilderness like Eden, and her desert like the garden of the Lord." "The glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon." "Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called My Delight, and thy land Beulah. . . . As the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee." Isaiah 66:23; 40:5; 61:11; 28:5; 51:3; 35:2; 62:4, 5, margin.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:41 am

    Carol wrote:
    Morpheus wrote:sunny OXY, done some session work on your behalf. Take it for what it is worth. What came through is this. You are of the RA continuum or construct. EL-AN-RA, represented here in the Orion belt. The RA continuum consists of the human genome. So when your friend says, "I am RA," He is saying he is of the RA continuum and or his name is RA also. Understand that it comes down to filters being used to interpret what you are perceiving. It is totally understandable how one may perceive the personal identity of a being calling himself RA using 3-D filters. So I checked the energy signatures and the RA you know of and the RA I know of, are two different beings. If you are not going within to find the answers to your questions, then you will be left with 3-D thinking. Which will greatly diminish your ability to discern the differences. You could also say, "I am RA," and energetically that statement perfectly matches up as true. Try this. Go to your bathroom and face your mirror. Take a few deep breaths to relax and when you get to that point, look into the eyes staring back at you and then say, "I am RA." See how you feel about that statement. Let us know what you find out. This only takes 3 minutes, if that. Save me the excuses for not doing this little, no time to speak of exercise. You may open a new door to the information you seek from this continuum. Here's another thing. If you met the RA I know of and have met, twice, he would not appear as a physical, in the flesh, being. It's because of the density in this 3-D world. I am also not saying that he doesn't have the ability to do so and if he did that, the interaction in terms of 3-D, it wouldn't last very long. Also, your RA called you Michael. That could also suggest a possible connection to the AN continuum. Pronounced as "ON." The name Michael is a very powerful name to have in the whole Universe. It suggests that you are a powerful being not just on the Planet but in the Universe. You are a good guy in a matter of speaking. Angel Michael, Christ Michael are just two names that are powerful. And neither one of them support religions. Neither did Jesus. He was totally against it. Another thing is that the RA that I know of, wouldn't try to control you. Saying something like, "We will own you and you will be working for us like you are just slave material, doesn't come from a powerful being of light. Consider that. Let us know what you find out. "What would OXY do now?" There! I asked the question. The answer is already sitting there and waiting to be discovered. If you were close by, I would gladly and free of charge, assist you with some regressive therapy sessions. Just remember that you have the right to know! But you have to go within to find that truth. I can't stress enough the importance of your name. Brook and I helped each other to discover who we were. Of course, we both had a period of self-denial. But as we spent the time with session work and the discoveries we uncovered, the denial slowly slipped away. When she said to me that my name was Morpheus, a door opened up within me, and images of the past came through. Just after she said it.

    After receiving two massive downloads that lasted for two hours and missing time for two days, my blood sugar went through the roof. It set into motion a small list of physical failings. Eyesight was a major issue. Very blurring vision. It's taken a good two months to get things back to some kind of normal. The main reason for not posting. It is what it is. My neighbor Cathy thinks I had a stroke. Her daughter Amber was the last person to see Brook in Hospice. She has been having many seizures in the year and she is only 38. The medical field has no idea what is causing it. So who knows?

    It's a shame what has occurred with Megan Rose. IMHO, she didn't do anything wrong. I've done scans and they all have come up clear concerning her. My scan also revealed that Elena is hiding something. Don't get me wrong here as I love what Megan, Elena, and Doc Salla have done to get this important information out. But why throw Megan under a bus especially when she didn't do anything that they claim she did? Why is this GF of Worlds using her as a scapegoat? I haven't found the answer to that. Then to watch Elena "certify" Megan is no good. And then for her in the last few months, trying to divert our attention with her attempts at sweeping it under the carpet. Fluffing her channel up with all this rhetoric of Love & Light in a quest for unity. Reminds me of what Biden does. As I said, I love them all for their works. But something isn't right with all of this. I'm going to pursue this because with some session work I have been able to validate some of their work and it is very important in the now and I just don't want another event to hinder our present progress. So I think it warrants some serious attention.

    This group, I think it as Elena, said that we are heading into a high-density area in space. I don't buy this statement. Was it two years ago when Mudra and I ran into it? Which means we are already into it. I also asked how that was going to have an effect on the weather? Look at what has happened since. We are not talking about hurricanes for the moment. I watched this planet actually fly right into it. Time to stop and put a thinking cap on. Mama Gaia here is traveling 66,600 miles an hour around Sol. Did you ever ask the question, "Where did they come up with 666? Frequency is a measurement of speed. So what the Darkside did was frequency-matched their agenda to the planet. In other words, Tuned!" This was the very beginning of hijacking the planet and when that happened, the Crystal Kingdome also got hijacked. And from there, the Darkside could then transmit their agenda. They then created a field around the planet. A grid if you will. The Reptilians did the same kind of thing when they set up shop in Eygpt. Creating something similar to a time displacement field or temporal mechanics applying to a temporal generator. Then having another temporal generator inside the field. They always had a way out and in. On Dec. 3, 2005, we restored the Crystal Kingdom, by freeing them from this Darkside network. Throughout our Solar system. We also shut down their way out and in. For many in our solar system, it was like someone being cooped up for days, surviving a storm, and then the sun finally comes out and this someone steps out feeling free. But feels like the first time. 66,600 / 750 miles per hour, {MACH}, equals Mach 88.8. What???? where did 888 come from? scratch And who is tuning into that with what agenda? Getting back to the weather, since two years ago, these storms have grown in size. I've seen two systems covering 3,000 miles that hit Europe, South, to Africa. 2 here in the states, one of which went from Arizona to New Foundland. Did I mention tornados? Even the snowstorms here in North America have gotten huge. The amounts as well. When it is snowing with thunder and a few miles away you have a slew of tornados in the same system, crap happens!

    So a huge thank you goes out to Mudra and of course a tight hug, Flowers, for being part of that discovery. You and I got this! The beauty of it is our efforts have been time-stamped in this thread no matter what anyone says.

    Enough rambling

    Namaste'  
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you, Morpheus. My little adventure has been an interesting nightmare which I wouldn't recommend to anyone. I have a lot of insights and theories, but I don't trust myself or others regarding Theology and Egyptology. This whole thing seems to be spiritual quicksand with massive doses of deception and illusion. 'RA' wasn't just another human, regardless of whether 'HE' was Lucifer, Gabriel, an Alphabet Agent, an Ancient Egyptian Deity, All the Above, Some of the Above, or None of the Above. I haven't said, "I Am Ra" and I won't do that, even for fun or practice. It reminds me of Shirley Maclaine yelling, "I Am God" on the beach, with David, her spiritual coach. I'll reread your post (along with others I've posted within my threads). I'm obviously on a much different wavelength than you (and others in this forum). I'm a completely ignorant fish out of water. Being called 'Michael' in Wal*Mart was flattering, but it might have nothing to do with the usual suspect. Still, I am doing some conceptual modeling, to attempt to get at some obscure concepts. Perhaps I'm not supposed to know, which is why I might be resisting what I'm supposedly seeking. I might need to let a lot of this settle in my soul for the rest of my life, without doing much of anything regarding all the above. 'RA' said, "I'm Angry and Jealous" and "I'm Close to God" and when I asked who he really was, I thought I heard him whisper, "Lucifer." He invited me to become a Mason, and he acted like he owned the place. I keep thinking about that scene with John Constantine arguing with the Angel Gabriel. David, the Emissary Warden, is of particular interest to me. Again, my modeling is borderline-blasphemous, and I mostly won't go there. I simply need to get a few things straight before I kick the bucket (which might be at any moment). Things are getting that bad. I don't trust my stroke diagnosis, and I'd be wary of yours. Some of us might be getting screwed in ways we can't imagine. BTW, I personally knew David Rose (orchestra leader for the Red Skelton Show and Highway to Heaven). Is there a Megan Rose connection?? Probably not, but I wonder about such things. I keep thinking I'm supposed to be someone nobody wants me to know about. Perhaps I was deposed in antiquity, and set-up to be an eschatological scapegoat in modernity. The changeling phenomenon keeps coming to mind. This stuff is screwing me up SO Bad. I mostly wish to forget the whole mess and let nature take its course. Damned if I Do?? Damned if I Don't?? Damned if I Know!!





    Morpheus wrote:
    As you wish, OXY.

    Namaste'
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you, Morpheus. I don't wish to be flippant or presumptuous. I've mentioned it previously, but 'RA' only said "I Am RA" once, and used the name "Mitchell" on a daily basis for several months (before our contact ceased in 2011, three days prior to Fukushima). Years before, I conversed with the Apollo Astronaut, Dr. Edgar Mitchell (concerning Life After Death) and I conversed several times with the Actress, Elizabeth Mitchell, mostly regarding the 2009-11 'V' Series. Also, 'RA' told me, "We're the Same" and "We Fought Side by Side." He also said, "You're Lucky to be Alive" and "I'm Tired of Keeping You Alive" and "I Could Snap My Fingers, and You'd Be Dead." 'RA' told me, "The Jesuits Don't Like You" and "They Like You on Phobos." When I spoke of Tall-Greys, 'RA' called me a "Commoner." Once, we discussed Sirius as we viewed Orion. Another time, we discussed Sirius issues in Starbucks. I drove and bought the coffee. I sometimes wonder about King David, King Solomon, and the Queen of Sheba. I wonder about Osirus, Horus, and Isis. Also, I wonder about Amen Ra and Marduk Ra. What Would Enki and Enlil Do?? What Would Frank Poole and David Bowman Say?? Consider Dr. Who and the Valeyard. What Would Darth Vader (DV) Say. We Have the Same Initials. I used to regularly play a 50-foot-tall pipe-organ which looked like Darth Vader!! Too Much Information.

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    orthodoxymoron wrote:This thing might be older and darker than we can imagine. Consider an alternative 'Trinity' with a Universe-Wide Supercomputer-Matrix Governance-Modality with a Borg-Queen Matrix-Mediatrix and a Human-Puppet God of This World. I mean zero irreverence. The way things work might actually work in a highly pragmatic manner which involves evil-neutrality as a necessary-evil. I need to stop.
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    Morpheus wrote:When I see this density field, I see electrical strands going through it. Some areas have more than other areas. It's creating turbulence. It's as though the field is morphing into something. You would logically think we would be slowing down in reference to Solar system speed. But what would happen once enough of this density field got behind us? What if the mass weight of what was behind us exceeded the weight of our solar system? Accompanied by charged strands bouncing around like fireworks? Would this increase our speed? Or slow us down because the mass behind us now has a gravitational field? The energy feels just downright creepy. As you said, Mudra. "Distorted." It also feels like there is an A.I. component to it. And I think that is what is contributing to the distortion. This thing acts as though it is quickly evolving. The more I work on this, the more weirdness shows itself. Another factor that I find strange is the timing of when we entered this density vs. the big "V." The big "V" leaked in Dec. and I'm pretty sure it was January when I ran into it and finally brought it to the forefront in February. Then Mudra also came up with her side of it. IMO, I thought that was really cool. 2 Light Warriors working together and putting something together into action. Way Cool!

    OXY,

    I got your last transmission. Thanks, I think? But I do get it and I also get the whys. I am always asking myself, "to what end?" My "why bother" comment is a reflection of everything I have been seeing in this big picture. Fukushima, BP, Chenoble, chemtrails, and on and on. Now Ukraine? Hordes of Demons trying to breach into our 3-D realm with chomping bits and narly growls. Did I mention the A.I. faction coming here in the near future? According to Sol. Damn if you do or damn if you don't. It is a pickle of sorts. I just pray that Gaia has the strength to get where she needs to be. It's why I fight to stay alive. To see that happens. And our physical bodies compound the situation, testing you as to how much pain one must experience. It will grind down the best of us and humanity. The stuff humanity has gone through makes "The Walking Dead" series look like a picnic.

    Did your post go AWHOL?

    As you wish and goodnight.  Enlightened

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    "I AM RA!! Bow-Down and Worship ME!! I AM AI!!"
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    Serpent and/or Artificial-Intelligence??
    What if the Young-Man is Representative of Humanity??

    Regarding that "I Am Ra" experiment, a few years ago, I posted an image of a Notre Dame gargoyle next to a boy facing the sun. I represented that gargoyle as saying, "I Am Ra. Bow Down and Worship Me." I did NOT include myself in that scene. The next day, in real life, someone told me, "You're lucky to be here." I suspect they misunderstood my caption under that image. It sounded as if they thought I deserved to die. I have somewhat equated the "I Am Ra" claim with "I Am God." I consider both to be blasphemous, regardless of whether we are speaking of (God) or (god). I consider both to be playing with burning magnesium. I'm presently concerned with possibility thinking relative to life, the universe, and everything. All of us might be deceived and deluded, regardless of how spiritual and righteous we consider ourselves to be. I might or might-not keep doing what I'm doing but it seems to be a monumental exercise in futility. One more thing. Consider the color of David Mann's car in the 1971 movie Duel and the color of Jerry Lander's car in the 1977 movie Oh, God! They're the same, as far as I can tell. Is this significant?? Damned if I know. Also, notice the car in the Real Slim Shady music video. There's more I could say, but what's the use??

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    Morpheus wrote:Check this out. So I go to log in and in the password field, I typed in "Jesus" as the password. Cool Then I received a message. "Be Patient." I didn't even realize I had typed it in. It may have to do with Carol's post on OXY's thread. Had Jesus on the brain from there. I am so glad that Carol had that experience. Thubs Up That kind of experience will forever change you and change your perspective on so many things.

    Ashera was also spot on. Nice guys finish last. Enabling the enemy by being nice and doing nothing accomplishes nothing. I call it Apathy. And because of that, look at what has happened. Humanity has sabotaged itself. I hang on only because I would like to see Humanity succeed. I might not get to see that. I am doing the best I can in the meantime. In other words, doing the inner work that is required. Expecting a Savior to save you is a cope out. It means you are placing your responsibility onto someone else. Everyone will eventually have to take responsibility for themselves to go forward in Spiritual growth. Earth is a school. If you don't pass your lessons, you will have to come back again and again and again till you look in the mirror and choose whether or not you want to repeat those lessons till you get it. We all have this in common. Personally, as much as I love Gaia, I don't want to come back here. I've had my fill. Gaia did offer me a position on her oversoul council but I gracefully turned it down because I am just plain tired or more to the point, exhausted. She knows this. And I am more exhausted now since she and I had that conversation. It has been a grueling last 20 years.

    Another being is my Mother Mary. She visited me twice when I was living with my business partner when I lived in Florida. Those two meetings were wonderful. She is a beautiful being. She was very happy to reconnect with me because I was a lost son of hers. All because of what happened in Atlantis. Horus, my so-called nephew, was the one that told her where I was. I need to check on him because he is also dying. When I was young, I searched for my spiritual name and some entity said my name was James. This turned out to be true in that timeline. What made it true was the fact that the Christ bloodline married into the Feline bloodline, Sekhmet and company. Brook and I were the ones that made that happen. In the 7th dimension. When Brook and I first met up, April 13, 2010, was our Anniversary date. We were already married. Then the realization that Sekhmet was my mother-in-law, well... that changed a whole lot of things. I would have never dreamed of this. It's called session work. Going within. And when what you find is also being validated by your twin flame, there is no argument. Immaculate Conception was how Brook got created into this Earth plane. RA's spiritual genetic material was used to create Brook, so he was Brook's Father in a matter of speaking. The thing about this Immaculate Conception has to do with genetics. Spiritual genetics. For without this method, a miscarriage would likely take place. And more than likely kill the Mother at the time of birth if not before. It has to do with frequency as this method is highly charged energetically. If not, the body would not be able to handle it. It would fry.

    When we first met up, Brook reserved a hotel room. We stayed there for 3 days. We only left the room for food. The first night we were there, some strange things were going on in the room. A celebration was underway. We had visitors. Sekhmet and company and even my Goblin buddies were floating in the room. It was like a reunion of sorts. The room was so charged up. There was so much love in the air. They left us alone for the most part but would check on us for those 3 days. None of this would have happened unless we did the inner work. That work paid off big time for us. We discovered who we were and that was validated by Sekhmet & Co. Now many of you may say this guy is ego-tripping. Go for it! Think what you will! Have fun with that! But better yet, don't believe me. Don't waste your time trying to wrap your head around it. Brook and I know what happened and IMHO, we did an awesome job to discover "US."

    And from that time since the Hotel stay, we tried with full and open hearts to share our discoveries with all who would listen. We tried to set an example so others could see the possibilities and most importantly the potential for remembering "WHO YOU ARE!" That's all we wanted to do by sharing our info. Isn't that the idea? Know thyself? Didn't Jesus say that? How can you be a part of the"SOULUTION if you can't remember who you are? It's just a basic question. It involves common sense. Not to put the cart in front of the horse. And if you never make a commitment to get to the bottom of your truth, that will be on you. If we are to know who we are, it takes a personal commitment and you will also never know unless you are willing to put your life on the line in doing so. Kind of like rock climbing. Putting your life on the line, 200' up on a cliff. It's all on you at that point. We should celebrate when our spiritual peers accomplish such growth instead of throwing around the ego word, instead of weaponizing it against someone who has accomplished a great feat. Same with that"higher self" nonsense. The Catholic Church installed that into the new age and everyone didn't even question it because it sounded good. Hook, line, and sinker on that one. Hey, I have my higher self to take care of it. When I hear that, what I see is the separation of your true self. A part of you is fractured from your soul. This was done to create separation. From my POV, integration is what it is truly all about. Why do you need a crutch called the higher self when you already got your true self? I think it was Deloras Cannon who also came to that conclusion with all of her research work. She subscribed to the "TRUESELF."

    I'm sorry if I seem to be preaching to the choir. OH well. I wonder why I even bother.

    When I received those two massive downloads in Dec., I didn't have to do anything afterward. The downloads were like winning at a slot machine in a matter of speaking. It was like my whole soul life was compiled and filed away. Which also tells me that the exit door isn't that far away. My time here is almost over. I have completed to the best of my knowledge what I came here to do.

    Jesus once said, "I am Lucifer!" Now, why would he say such a thing? Gene might know. It has to do with, "ONENESS." If we are all fragments of God, then that means we are all Gods and Goddesses. That is our true self. And if I had a higher self, wouldn't that be God? Something to think about. I have no doubt that there are those who project as having a higher self. So many do these days. I just can only hope someone will also understand the reasonings I have presented. It may assist in the integration of a soul by resetting the false narrative path that many have been duped into believing. It's about empowerment. This higher self business is about disempowerment and keeping one separated from the real truth. The Darkside did a real good job on this, I'll tell ya.

    On this "ONENESS" issue... If I said, "We were one," Someone may interpret that as though you were a couple. A typical human response. Also out of the proper context of the true meaning of what was actually intended. Perception or the lack thereof. Usually caused by the emotional body getting hung up or in the way by an unbalanced ego causing a distraction. It's just human nature. But oneness is about connection to all. Where they all, function together as one. With full consciousness. In this context, it doesn't mean you are coupled with someone. Maybe on Earth but not in some of these upper realms. This might be due to the fact of the way our brains operate because we have 2 spheres, whereas these other realms might have a single spherical brain. As humans, we have a lot of cross-firing between the two spheres. That causes impedance with our brain output and also internal thought.  

    Synchronicity field... I'll confess. Was going to keep this to myself. But everyone seeks transparency so here it is... Saturday night, I took a long soaking bath. Toward the end of the soak, I was thinking about getting another dog. What kind should I get? A Bull Mastiff came into my mind's view. So I get out of the tub, dry off, and then went back to my computer. I refreshed my YouTube screen and when I did, guess what came up? A video on Bull Mastiffs. The kicker is, I hadn't done any research on the dog world. I also decided not to get a dog. I'm too feeble now.  Ancient One

    Another new door has also opened up. Had an interview with Robert Earl White a couple of weeks ago. It lasted 4 hours. We hit it off. He has an amazing story.



    I've probably said too much...

    I'll shut up now.

    Have a great day everyone! I sincerely hope all is well with everyone.


    Jenneta
    As usual, take my threads and posts seriously but not too seriously. I hint at this and that without concluding much of anything. I emphasize the concept of religious and political science-fiction mostly because I know I don't know and this is not a becoming humility. Throughout the years of my USSS threads, I mildly hint at the concept of a Black Galactic UK Queen but I mostly don't want to talk about it at this time.

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:43 am

    Consider yet another KJV study-list. Remember that the KGB read the KJV!!

    1. Job through Daniel.
    2. Luke through Jude.
    3. Peale and Schuller.
    4. Sacred Classical Music.

    Strange Bedfellows?? There might be more to this list than you think!! I have maintained that Peale and Schuller should not be considered to be Stand-Alones. If one regularly and vigorously studied this list -- it would yield a much different person than would be developed by simply following Peale and Schuller. I think this is VERY Important!! Is this list an example of Positively Reinforcing Sacred-Scripture?? I realize that the Fundamentalists and Mega-Churches would go nuts regarding this rather exclusive focus!! Is ALL of this material really Wisdom-Literature??!! What if there is a Common-Author??!! This sends chills up and down my spine!!


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    PARADISE VALLEY, Ariz. - The City of Paradise Valley has added cactus with cameras in them over the past few days, but residents have no idea why, and the city doesn't want to talk about them. About two dozen fake cactus already serve as cover for cell towers, but some people were alarmed to see cameras being place in cactus around town. While town leaders didn't initially want to talk with us about the cameras, we did end up getting some explanation.

    If you look close enough at the cactus as you drive through Paradise Valley and you might see some "cact-eyes" looking back.

    "I've lived here for 30 years, and I've never seen cameras in a saguaro before," said Randy Evans.

    One cactus camera was installed at the roundabout near 40th Street and Standford on Tuesday.

    "There were these guys on ladders, these were 3 1/2 foot ladders, and they work working on the top of the cactus, putting the cactus together, a fake cactus," said Susanne Chamberlain.

    Residents are now curious what the cameras will be used for.

    "Your guess is as good as mine," said Evans.
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Is it really that farfetched to assume that we are watched and listened-to 24/7 -- electronically and/or supernaturally?? I grew-up being taught that I had a "Guardian Angel" who was with me all the time. That might be comforting to a child -- but what about having one's "Guardian Angel" watching them shower, poop, pick their nose, scratch their @$$, and have sex?? I assume that the microphone and camera on my laptop can be accessed by who-knows-who? at any time -- with or without an internet-connection. Sometimes I swear-at and flip-off whoever might be observing me through my computer!! I've even taped-off the microphone and camera on one of my laptops!! I've had messages placed in the word-processor within my laptop -- with some sort of backdoor-access. I've had quoted-material in that same word-processor highlighted with bold-print -- again through some sort of backdoor-access. I feel a bit abused and gay (by "Backdoor-Bubba" in this "Prison-Planet") -- if you know what I mean...
    Lionhawk wrote:Take all the time you need. It's your time anyway and it shouldn't matter to anyone what you do with your time. I just have more important things to focus on as of recent days that involve with what is going on in the present. What has occurred has already gone under the bridge and will only serve us as a reminder of what was. It also causes me to take my focus off the targets (changes) that are moving in the now. I would prefer to be focused in the now as great changes are at our door steps. So I hope you understand why that is. I have no intentions of missing my scheduled front row seat. It comes down to free agency as to what anyone does. So choose what is best for you and never compromise your course no matter who says what. Savvy? Good luck with all of your questions!
    Thank-you Lionhawk. Does your name have anything to do with the 'Lion of the Tribe of Judah'? I am focused on the present, yet I am simultaneously viewing the past and the future with my peripheral vision. It's those great changes that worry me. What are the specifics? Do we have a choice in the matter? I frankly smell a rat, or is it a snake? It seems as though imperfect beings are governed by imperfect deities, in a universe which is stranger than we can think. I grew-up attending a church which teaches the non-immortality of the soul. In fact, they teach against the existence of a soul. They teach bodily resurrection rather than reincarnation or dying and going to heaven, purgatory, or hell (door number 1, door number 2, or door number 3?). I now believe that we just get recycled over and over, and that this world is heaven, purgatory, and hell. However, I do not get involved in anything supernatural, although I've had some very creepy and upsetting things of a supernatural nature happen to me over the past couple of years. I wonder if my church taught what they did (and do) because of the alleged reptilian and demonic phenomenon? I don't trust 'the other side' at all. I believe that by focusing upon mind, character, and personality development that we will be prepared for the eventual positive interaction with the supernatural, but that we shouldn't go where angels fear to tread, and rush 'contact'. My computer hardly functions, and my other computer was immediately and completely fried when I called the beings on the Moon, Mars, and Phobos 'Bastards'. Right after that happened a streaming white light passed between me and the computer monitor, as if to say 'Don't mess with us'. God Got Me! Plus, I got scolded a few days later, so I'm going away for a while, and I will be lurking in the mists, as I continue to seek understanding more than condemnation.

    I'm trying to walk in the shoes of the Secret Government - Human and Otherwise - and I continue to worry about solar system governance by ANYONE. The Progressives might end-up doing a worse job than the Regressives. Is there a place for unquestioning obedience at the level of solar system governance? Can you imagine what a Dictatorial Draconian Empire might be like? Try thinking about this for a while. What would it be like to be a Drac? What if all of us were Dracs before we became Human? I continue to wonder if our souls are Interdimensional Reptilian in nature. What if all of us will be Dracs after we are Human? If so, I hope we will have a choice in the matter. I have recently made some very intelligent individuals angry with me on this website, and probably elsewhere as well. Sometimes I think You Are All One! I think I've tried really hard to be as nice as possible, while being as honest as possible. I have limited my conceptual exploration to a very small website, rather than going-off half-cocked with a show or book. I'm about to lose my house because of being sidetracked by all of this madness, and not taking care of business on the home-front. I'm not getting paid to do this. Is anyone else covering the same territory I am? I continue to be a stable basket-case, if that makes any sense. I think I could fit-in well in an Underground Base, and sit in on some really upsetting presentations, yet in day to day living, I'm not doing very well. I really wonder what I've done in previous incarnations. I seem to be somewhat at home with a lot of upsetting subject matter, yet I can't seem to make small-talk to save my soul. Sometimes I wonder if I'm even from around here. It's sort of fun to imagine being interesting people in previous incarnations, or even being non-human in previous incarnations, but I obviously would not encourage others to do this sort of thing!

    I think that discussing things on the internet is very necessary for humanity right now. I'd rather see people arguing on the internet, than running in the streets, or going off to war. It's the 'doing something' that scares me. Perhaps we don't need to do a lot. I'm so undecided and unsettled about so many things, that I frankly don't trust myself to do a lot right now. I'm  trying to become much more comfortable with everything I have been dealing with, before I actually do much of anything with it. I'm conceptually trying to be part of the secret government, just so I can try to understand them, rather than just hate them. This is an open think-tank, where I know that I'm being watched and listened to, yet I proceed to think out-loud, regardless of the consequences. I continue to have no hostility toward anyone, yet I post things which might seem to be somewhat mean to various groups and individuals. I think I could talk to the Devil in a civil manner, and then turn around and post a video which is critical of Satanism. I can be a friend and an enemy at the same time, which is why I sometimes think that in a future incarnation, I might make an excellent negotiator with various alien nations, or something like that. Again, I am laying a foundation for imagining shuttling between the City of London, Vatican City, Washington D.C., and Copernicus Crater - with small apartment-offices in each location. They could be 100 square-feet, rather than the 600 square-feet I suggested, although I'd prefer the larger size! Again, I'm trying to be a Token Benevolent Megalomaniac in Megalomaniacs Anonymous! I think I could meet with the Pope, the Queen, the Queen of Heaven, and God of This World -- in a civil and respectful manner -- but I still might be very blunt and trenchant with them! I might also meet with a roomful of Nazis, Masons, and Jesuits in a similar manner. This isn't selling-out, but it might take a helluva lot of discipline to keep from selling-out. Really, if I were to actually live this deam (or nightmare) I might continue this thread in perpetuity, with tactfully written posts which might touch upon insider activities. Even if a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System became a reality, and I became some sort of a Solar System Administrator, I might just keep doing what I'm doing right now, but with access to individuals, organizations, meetings, files, etc. Again, I liked the Palmer Joss and Rachael Constantine characters in 'Contact'. I'd like to be a cross between those two. I also like the best aspects of Anna in 'V'. I have thought about what a male counterpart would look-like and act-like. I'm seriously trying to become an idealistic insider, without becoming a 666th Degree Mason, if you know what I mean.

    Would a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System have to incorporate the Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Set Factions of a Sirius-Egyptian-Roman Empire, administered from the City of London, Vatican City, Washington D.C., and the Crater Copernicus? Would it further have to incorporate the Monarchy, Papacy, Jesuits, Nazis, Masons, Alphabet Agents, the Anglican Communion, and the Roman Catholic Church? Would a United States of the Solar System merely be a subsidiary of the Orion Group, LLC? Would a Solar System Administrator be employed as a Division Chief? Would they have to sell-out the human-race in a somewhat heartless and cruel manner? Is this really a violent, cruel, and nasty universe we live in? Are we simply lucky to be alive? I feel extremely depressed by all of my research and speculation. Do we live in the Hotel Sirius? If we check-out, can we ever really leave? I'm trying to understand that which presently exists, and to understand the historical foundation upon which it is based. Then, I'm trying to positively-reinforce the best aspects of all of this. Unfortunately, I don't think I know much about what's REALLY going on. Am I too idealistic to be told what's REALLY going on? Must I be kept in the dark, so that I don't try to start another Star War? Again, I'm really depressed about all of this, and I'm feeling as if things will never really be good around here, for any significant time-period. In fact, we might be very lucky to survive as a species. In the movie 'Contact', is Mr. Hadden representative of the 'Osiris Faction'? Is Rachael Constantine representative of the 'Isis Faction'? Is her assistant 'Mike' representative of the 'Set Faction'? Is Palmer Joss representative of the 'Horus Faction'? Or, are Adam, Aaron, Kate, and Cal, in 'East of Eden' better representations of Osiris, Horus, Isis, and Set? Who knows?  

    I would love to go to Heaven, but I have frankly lost faith in the gods. I don't necessarily have a problem with the God-Concept -- but the History of the Solar System does not seem to point toward a Good and Loving God Being in Charge. There seems to be more at work than a bunch of stupid and irreverent human beings ignoring the Word of God. I don't wish to be rebellious. I really don't. But a deep study of theology and history is most upsetting, and most people have no idea. Please conceptualize idealistic forms of church and state - politics and religion - and their possible integration. Consider all of the possibilities. Think in terms of Comparative Governance - Secular and Sacred. I certainly hope there are some silent researchers who are working with me on all of this. I don't have to be right, but I want the right things to be done, and for the truth to be known. I continue to think that the Masons and Jesuits know more than most about what's really going on in this solar system, but I think they are highly compromised and controlled. I'd like to know what they know, without taking the oaths, participating in the rituals, and carrying out reprehensible orders. I don't necessarily have a problem with deep and esoteric philosophy and theology -- but I have a huge problem with illegal and violent activities which are destructive toward the human race. I'd like to know what the best and brightest Masons and Jesuits really think about life, the universe, and everything. I have decided to work outward from the word 'Responsibility' regarding church and state. We should consider clean sheet of paper approaches, as well as the historical attempts at governance. These are the times that try men's and women's souls. My repeated reference to 'Responsibility' does not imply that I am 'Responsible'. I'm not trying to win a popularity contest or a 'holier than thou' contest. I'm not even trying to win a 'competency contest'. I'm merely taking an approach that is probably relatively uncommon, and possibly for very valid reasons! My support mechanism has failed me, and I'm looking for a more solid foundation. I'm looking for reasonable knowledge to replace my shattered faith. In a sense, this is all somewhat selfish. I'm trying to solve my problems as I try to solve the problems of the human race. I'm not completely altruistic, but please don't shoot! I'm just a Completely Ignorant Fool! But whatever you do, Believe in the God Who Believes in You! And don't get on a UFO! You might end-up in slave-labor and on the dinner-table -- and I'm not kidding. I continue to hear stories...

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    Take a look at this old and fascinating art! http://www.dudeman.net/siriusly/ufo/art.html What did the artists know, and when did they know it? The Bible has hidden messages. Cathedrals contain riddles in stone. What's going on here? It was as if whoever created all of this knew a lot more than they could openly reveal. I continue to think that the Bible is a mixture of good and evil, truth and error -- and that it should be studied carefully and devotionally -- but that it should not be used as an infallible rule of faith and practice in modernity. Is sola scriptura scriptural? I don't think  so. Is faith enough? I don't think so. Is grace enough? I don't think so. Does sacramentalism save? I don't think so. Should salvation be for sale? I don't think so. Is the presence real? There is no substantial body of evidence to substantiate transubstantiation, but who knows who shows up, high above the altar?

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    Take a look at this Ellen White quote. I think her work is quite profound, even though I don't agree with a lot of the details. The following is taken from the first chapter of her book 'Education':

    Our ideas of education take too narrow and too low a range. There is need of a broader scope, a higher aim. True education means more than the pursual of a certain course of study. It means more than a preparation for the life that now is. It has to do with the whole being, and with the whole period of existence possible to man. It is the harmonious development of the physical, the mental, and the spiritual powers. It prepares the student for the joy of service in this world and for the higher joy of wider service in the world to come. The source of such an education is brought to view in these words of Holy Writ, pointing to the Infinite One: In Him "are hid all the treasures of wisdom." Colossians 2:3. "He hath counsel and understanding." Job 12:13. The world has had its great teachers, men of giant intellect and extensive research, men whose utterances have stimulated thought and opened to view vast fields of knowledge; and these men have been honored as guides and benefactors of their race; but there is One who stands higher than they. We can trace the line of the world's teachers as far back as human records extend; but the Light was before them. As the moon and the stars of our solar system shine by the reflected light of the sun, so, as far as their teaching is true, do the world's great thinkers reflect the rays of the Sun of Righteousness. Every gleam of thought, every flash of the intellect, is from the Light of the world.

    In these days much is said concerning the nature and importance of "higher education." The true "higher education" is that imparted by Him with whom "is wisdom and strength" (Job 12:13), out of whose mouth "cometh knowledge and understanding." Proverbs 2:6. In a knowledge of God all true knowledge and real development have their source. Wherever we turn, in the physical, the mental, or the spiritual realm; in whatever we behold, apart from the blight of sin, this knowledge is revealed. Whatever line of investigation we pursue, with a sincere purpose to arrive at truth, we are brought in touch with the unseen, mighty Intelligence that is working in and through all. The mind of man is brought into communion with the mind of God, the finite with the Infinite. The effect of such communion on body and mind and soul is beyond estimate. In this communion is found the highest education. It is God's own method of development. "Acquaint now thyself with Him" (Job 22:21), is His message to mankind. The method outlined in these words was the method followed in the education of the father of our race. When in the glory of sinless manhood Adam stood in holy Eden, it was thus that God instructed him. In order to understand what is comprehended in the work of education, we need to consider both the nature of man and the purpose of God in creating him. We need to consider also the change in man's condition through the coming in of a knowledge of evil, and God's plan for still fulfilling His glorious purpose in the education of the human race.

    When Adam came from the Creator's hand, he bore, in his physical, mental, and spiritual nature, a likeness to his Maker. "God created man in His own image" (Genesis 1:27), and it was His purpose that the longer man lived the more fully he should reveal this image--the more fully reflect the glory of the Creator. All his faculties were capable of development; their capacity and vigor were continually to increase. Vast was the scope offered for their exercise, glorious the field opened to their research. The mysteries of the visible universe--the "wondrous works of Him which is perfect in knowledge" (Job 37:16)--invited man's study. Face-to-face, heart-to-heart communion with his Maker was his high privilege. Had he remained loyal to God, all this would have been his forever. Throughout eternal ages he would have continued to gain new treasures of knowledge, to discover fresh springs of happiness, and to obtain clearer and yet clearer conceptions of the wisdom, the power, and the love of God. More and more fully would he have fulfilled the object of his creation, more and more fully have reflected the Creator's glory. But by disobedience this was forfeited. Through sin the divine likeness was marred, and well-nigh obliterated. Man's physical powers were weakened, his mental capacity was lessened, his spiritual vision dimmed. He had become subject to death. Yet the race was not left without hope. By infinite love and mercy the plan of salvation had been devised, and a life of probation was granted. To restore in man the image of his Maker, to bring him back to the perfection in which he was created, to promote the development of body, mind, and soul, that the divine purpose in his creation might be realized--this was to be the work of redemption. This is the object of education, the great object of life.

    Love, the basis of creation and of redemption, is the basis of true education. This is made plain in the law that God has given as the guide of life. The first and great commandment is, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind." Luke 10:27. To love Him, the infinite, the omniscient One, with the whole strength, and mind, and heart, means the highest development of every power. It means that in the whole being-- the body, the mind, as well as the soul--the image of God is to be restored. Like the first is the second commandment--"Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." Matthew 22:39. The law of love calls for the devotion of body, mind, and soul to the service of God and our fellow men. And this service, while making us a blessing to others, brings the greatest blessing to ourselves. Unselfishness underlies all true development. Through unselfish service we receive the highest culture of every faculty. More and more fully do we become partakers of the divine nature. We are fitted for heaven, for we receive heaven into our hearts. Since God is the source of all true knowledge, it is, as we have seen, the first object of education to direct our minds to His own revelation of Himself. Adam and Eve received knowledge through direct communion with God; and they learned of Him through His works. All created things, in their original perfection, were an expression of the thought of God. To Adam and Eve nature was teeming with divine wisdom. But by transgression man was cut off from learning of God through direct communion and, to a great degree, through His works. The earth, marred and defiled by sin, reflects but dimly the Creator's glory. It is true that His object lessons are not obliterated. Upon every page of the great volume of His created works may still be traced His handwriting. Nature still speaks of her Creator. Yet these revelations are partial and imperfect. And in our fallen state, with weakened powers and restricted vision, we are incapable of interpreting aright. We need the fuller revelation of Himself that God has given in His written word.

    The Holy Scriptures are the perfect standard of truth, and as such should be given the highest place in education. To obtain an education worthy of the name, we must receive a knowledge of God, the Creator, and of Christ, the Redeemer, as they are revealed in the sacred word. Every human being, created in the image of God, is endowed with a power akin to that of the Creator-- individuality, power to think and to do. The men in whom this power is developed are the men who bear responsibilities, who are leaders in enterprise, and who influence character. It is the work of true education to develop this power, to train the youth to be thinkers, and not mere reflectors of other men's thought. Instead of confining their study to that which men have said or written, let students be directed to the sources of truth, to the vast fields opened for research in nature and revelation. Let them contemplate the great facts of duty and destiny, and the mind will expand and strengthen. Instead of educated weaklings, institutions of learning may send forth men strong to think and to act, men who are masters and not slaves of circumstances, men who possess breadth of mind, clearness of thought, and the courage of their convictions. Such an education provides more than mental discipline; it provides more than physical training. It strengthens the character, so that truth and uprightness are not sacrificed to selfish desire or worldly ambition. It fortifies the mind against evil. Instead of some master passion becoming a power to destroy, every motive and desire are brought into conformity to the great principles of right. As the perfection of His character is dwelt upon, the mind is renewed, and the soul is re-created in the image of God. What education can be higher than this? What can equal it in value? "It cannot be gotten for gold, Neither shall silver be weighed for the price thereof. It cannot be valued with the gold of Ophir, With the precious onyx, or the sapphire. The gold and the crystal cannot equal it, and the exchange of it shall not be for jewels of fine gold. No mention shall be made of coral, or of pearls: For the price of wisdom is above rubies." Job 28:15-18.

    Higher than the highest human thought can reach is God's ideal for His children. Godliness--godlikeness--is the goal to be reached. Before the student there is opened a path of continual progress. He has an object to achieve, a standard to attain, that includes everything good, and pure, and noble. He will advance as fast and as far as possible in every branch of true knowledge. But his efforts will be directed to objects as much higher than mere selfish and temporal interests as the heavens are higher than the earth. He who co-operates with the divine purpose in imparting to the youth a knowledge of God, and molding the character into harmony with His, does a high and noble work. As he awakens a desire to reach God's ideal, he presents an education that is as high as heaven and as broad as the universe; an education that cannot be completed in this life, but that will be continued in the life to come; an education that secures to the successful student his passport from the preparatory school of earth to the higher grade, the school above.


    Despite my idealism and insights, I think I've missed the boat. Something is very wrong. I think I might be losing touch with reality, which is probably a bad thing -- even if reality is a bad thing. Truth and beauty are so overrated. The more idealistic one becomes, the less one seems to be able to properly function in the 'real' world. I seem to have less and less in common with those around me, and frankly I am a lone-nut at this point, and I don't like it one little bit. My recent scolding was probably a bridge-burning of sorts, and I think I got the intended message loud and clear. What would Raven say? Perhaps I should make a serious effort to reenter the mainstream. What profiteth a man if he gaineth the whole solar system, yet hath no friends? I'm going away for a while. I'm not going away mad. I'm just going away. I'm going to read 'The 1928 Book of Common Prayer', 'The Desire of Ages', 'The Orgelbuchlein' (Clark and Peterson Edition), and 'The Federalist Papers' while listening to Sacred Classical Music. What if the '1928 Book of Common Prayer' were published in parallel-columns of English and Latin (including the 'Articles of Religion') http://www.anglicansonline.org/basics/thirty-nine_articles.html -- and called the 'Anglo-Catholic Book of Common Prayer'? What if this version were approved for use in both the Anglican Communion and the Roman Catholic Church? Would Catholics cry 'Heresy!'? Would Protestants cry 'Papacy!'? What if this became an interim basis for Ecumenism and Protestant-Catholic Reunification? I continue to lean toward 'The Desire of Ages' theologically, and 'The Federalist Papers' for both sacred and secular governance. What if most of the sacred organ literature were transformed into choral music (with most of the words taken from the '1928 Book of Common Prayer), again in both English and Latin, and with orchestral parts? Each congregation could use whatever combination of English and Latin they desired. What if all of this were integrated into a unified whole? The Archbishop of Canterbury and the Pope of Rome might write an introduction. Who knows? I'm not necessarily saying this is the way things should be, but I am attempting to preserve historical continuity while facilitating contemporary evolutionary innovation. I really like the term 'Minimalist Traditionalist'. I've been listening to a lot of French Romantic Organ Music lately - but my real love is Bach - preferably played on a French Romantic Organ with French Romantic Interpretation. The Empire Strikes Bach! I Go for Baroque! What you do is up to you, as long as you are being responsible while you are being free! Once again, take this thread as a whole, and as a study-guide, rather than an attempted 'my way or the highway' manifesto. I need to repeatedly review this thread more than anyone, and I shall be doing this in the coming months. I think the infowar is going to get really nasty! I don't think there is any right and good way to do this! No matter what we do, it's probably going to seem like the wrong thing! Don't be too hard on yourselves! This too shall pass! Namaste and Godspeed!

    Namaste? Reptilian and Human: Before and After the Fall? Them v Us? Us v Us? What Were We Before We Were Human? What Will We Be When We Are No Longer Human? Are We Human Flukes in a Draconian Reptilian Universe? Have We Earned the Right to be Here? I Certainly Hope So. Do We Pay ET to Protect Us From ET? I'm OK, You're OK? What Would Dr. Eric Berne Say? What Would Dr. Who Do?

    Bethany was so near Jerusalem that the news of the raising of Lazarus was soon carried to the city. Through spies who had witnessed the miracle the Jewish rulers were speedily in possession of the facts. A meeting of the Sanhedrin was at once called to decide as to what should be done. Christ had now fully made manifest His control of death and the grave. That mighty miracle was the crowning evidence offered by God to men that He had sent His Son into the world for their salvation. It was a demonstration of divine power sufficient to convince every mind that was under the control of reason and enlightened conscience. Many who witnessed the resurrection of Lazarus were led to believe on Jesus. But the hatred of the priests against Him was intensified. They had rejected all lesser evidence of His divinity, and they were only enraged at this new miracle. The dead had been raised in the full light of day, and before a crowd of witnesses. No artifice could explain away such evidence. For this very reason the enmity of the priests grew deadlier. They were more than ever determined to put a stop to Christ's work.

    The Sadducees, though not favorable to Christ, had not been so full of malignity toward Him as were the Pharisees. Their hatred had not been so bitter. But they were now thoroughly alarmed. They did not believe in a resurrection of the dead. Producing so-called science, they had reasoned that it would be an impossibility for a dead body to be brought to life. But by a few words from Christ their theory had been overthrown. They were shown to be ignorant both of the Scriptures and of the power of God. They could see no possibility of removing the impression made on the people by the miracle. How could men be turned away from Him who had prevailed to rob the grave of its dead? Lying reports were put in circulation, but the miracle could not be denied, and how to counteract its effect they knew not. Thus far the Sadducees had not encouraged the plan of putting Christ to death. But after the resurrection of Lazarus they decided that only by His death could His fearless denunciations against them be stopped. The Pharisees believed in the resurrection, and they could not but see that this miracle was an evidence that the Messiah was among them. But they had ever opposed Christ's work. From the first they had hated Him because He had exposed their hypocritical pretensions. He had torn aside the cloak of rigorous rites under which their moral deformity was hidden. The pure religion that He taught had condemned their hollow professions of piety. They thirsted to be revenged upon Him for His pointed rebukes. They had tried to provoke Him to say or do something that would give them occasion to condemn Him. Several times they had attempted to stone Him, but He had quietly withdrawn, and they had lost sight of Him.

    The miracles He performed on the Sabbath were all for the relief of the afflicted, but the Pharisees had sought to condemn Him as a Sabbathbreaker. They had tried to arouse the Herodians against Him. They represented that He was seeking to set up a rival kingdom, and consulted with them how to destroy Him. To excite the Romans against Him, they had represented Him as trying to subvert their authority. They had tried every pretext to cut Him off from influencing the people. But so far their attempts had been foiled. The multitudes who witnessed His works of mercy and heard His pure and holy teachings knew that these were not the deeds and words of a Sabbathbreaker or blasphemer. Even the officers sent by the Pharisees had been so influenced by His words that they could not lay hands on Him. In desperation the Jews had finally passed an edict that any man who professed faith in Jesus should be cast out of the synagogue.

    So, as the priests, the rulers, and the elders gathered for consultation, it was their fixed determination to silence Him who did such marvelous works that all men wondered. Pharisees and Sadducees were more nearly united than ever before. Divided hitherto, they became one in their opposition to Christ. Nicodemus and Joseph had, in former councils, prevented the condemnation of Jesus, and for this reason they were not now summoned. There were present at the council other influential men who believed on Jesus, but their influence prevailed nothing against that of the malignant Pharisees. Yet the members of the council were not all agreed. The Sanhedrin was not at this time a legal assembly. It existed only by tolerance. Some of its number questioned the wisdom of putting Christ to death. They feared that this would excite an insurrection among the people, causing the Romans to withhold further favors from the priesthood, and to take from them the power they still held. The Sadducees were united in their hatred of Christ, yet they were inclined to be cautious in their movements, fearing that the Romans would deprive them of their high standing.

    In this council, assembled to plan the death of Christ, the Witness was present who heard the boastful words of Nebuchadnezzar, who witnessed the idolatrous feast of Belshazzar, who was present when Christ in Nazareth announced Himself the Anointed One. This Witness was now impressing the rulers with the work they were doing. Events in the life of Christ rose up before them with a distinctness that alarmed them. They remembered the scene in the temple, when Jesus, then a child of twelve, stood before the learned doctors of the law, asking them questions at which they wondered. The miracle just performed bore witness that Jesus was none other than the Son of God. In their true significance, the Old Testament Scriptures regarding Christ flashed before their minds. Perplexed and troubled, the rulers asked, "What do we?" There was a division in the council. Under the impression of the Holy Spirit, the priests and rulers could not banish the conviction that they were fighting against God.

    While the council was at the height of its perplexity, Caiaphas the high priest arose. Caiaphas was a proud and cruel man, overbearing and intolerant. Among his family connections were Sadducees, proud, bold, reckless, full of ambition and cruelty, which they hid under a cloak of pretended righteousness. Caiaphas had studied the prophecies, and although ignorant of their true meaning, he spoke with great authority and assurance: "Ye know nothing at all, nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not." Even if Jesus were innocent, urged the high priest, He must be put out of the way. He was troublesome, drawing the people to Himself, and lessening the authority of the rulers. He was only one; it was better that He should die than that the authority of the rulers should be weakened. If the people were to lose confidence in their rulers, the national power would be destroyed. Caiaphas urged that after this miracle the followers of Jesus would likely rise in revolt. The Romans will then come, he said, and will close our temple, and abolish our laws, destroying us as a nation. What is the life of this Galilean worth in comparison with the life of the nation? If He stands in the way of Israel's well-being, is it not doing God a service to remove Him? Better that one man perish than that the whole nation be destroyed. In declaring that one man should die for the nation, Caiaphas indicated that he had some knowledge of the prophecies, although it was very limited. But John, in his account of this scene, takes up the prophecy, and shows its broad and deep significance. He says, "And not for that nation only, but that also He should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad." How blindly did the haughty Caiaphas acknowledge the Saviour's mission!

    On the lips of Caiaphas this most precious truth was turned into a lie. The policy he advocated was based on a principle borrowed from heathenism. Among the heathen, the dim consciousness that one was to die for the human race had led to the offering of human sacrifices. So Caiaphas proposed by the sacrifice of Jesus to save the guilty nation, not from transgression, but in transgression, that they might continue in sin. And by his reasoning he thought to silence the remonstrances of those who might dare to say that as yet nothing worthy of death had been found in Jesus. At this council Christ's enemies had been deeply convicted. The Holy Spirit had impressed their minds. But Satan strove to gain control of them. He urged upon their notice the grievances they had suffered on account of Christ. How little He had honored their righteousness. He presented a righteousness far greater, which all who would be children of God must possess. Taking no notice of their forms and ceremonies, He had encouraged sinners to go directly to God as a merciful Father, and make known their wants. Thus, in their opinion, He had set aside the priesthood. He had refused to acknowledge the theology of the rabbinical schools. He had exposed the evil practices of the priests, and had irreparably hurt their influence. He had injured the effect of their maxims and traditions, declaring that though they strictly enforced the ritual law, they made void the law of God. All this Satan now brought to their minds. Satan told them that in order to maintain their authority, they must put Jesus to death. This counsel they followed. The fact that they might lose the power they then exercised, was, they thought, sufficient reason for coming to some decision. With the exception of a few who dared not speak their minds, the Sanhedrin received the words of Caiaphas as the words of God. Relief came to the council; the discord ceased. They resolved to put Christ to death at the first favorable opportunity. In rejecting the proof of the divinity of Jesus, these priests and rulers had locked themselves in impenetrable darkness. They had come wholly under the sway of Satan, to be hurried by him over the brink of eternal ruin. Yet such was their deception that they were well pleased with themselves. They regarded themselves as patriots, who were seeking the nation's salvation.

    The Sanhedrin feared, however, to take rash measures against Jesus, lest the people should become incensed, and the violence meditated toward Him should fall upon themselves. On this account the council delayed to execute the sentence they had pronounced. The Saviour understood the plotting of the priests. He knew that they longed to remove Him, and that their purpose would soon be accomplished. But it was not His place to hasten the crisis, and He withdrew from that region, taking the disciples with Him. Thus by His own example Jesus again enforced the instruction He had given to the disciples, "When they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another." Matt. 10:23. There was a wide field in which to work for the salvation of souls; and unless loyalty to Him required it, the Lord's servants were not to imperil their lives. Jesus had now given three years of public labor to the world. His example of self-denial and disinterested benevolence was before them. His life of purity, of suffering and devotion, was known to all. Yet this short period of three years was as long as the world could endure the presence of its Redeemer.

    His life had been one of persecution and insult. Driven from Bethlehem by a jealous king, rejected by His own people at Nazareth, condemned to death without a cause at Jerusalem, Jesus, with His few faithful followers, found a temporary asylum in a strange city. He who was ever touched by human woe, who healed the sick, restored sight to the blind, hearing to the deaf, and speech to the dumb, who fed the hungry and comforted the sorrowful, was driven from the people He had labored to save. He who walked upon the heaving billows, and by a word silenced their angry roaring, who cast out devils that in departing acknowledged Him to be the Son of God, who broke the slumbers of the dead, who held thousands entranced by His words of wisdom, was unable to reach the hearts of those who were blinded by prejudice and hatred, and who stubbornly rejected the light. -- 'The Desire of Ages' (pages 537-542) by Ellen White


    The more I look at the world predicament, the smaller I feel, and the problems seem to be much larger than I thought. I continue to attempt to be a relatively silent reformer of the City-States, which includes the Roman Catholic Church, and really, the Anglican Communion. I have most recently been devotionally studying a harmony of the 1928 'Book of Common Prayer' (and proposing the possibility of an English/Latin version called 'The Anglo-Catholic Book of Common Prayer' with an introduction by the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Pope of Rome -- to be approved for use in both the Anglican Communion and the Roman Catholic Church -- for purposes of ecumenism and reunification -- with minimalist-traditionalist historical-continuity paving the way for possible Anglican-Catholic reunification -- possibly in cooperation with a Responsibility-Based United States of the Solar System -- centered in the City of London -- and ceremonially meeting in St. Paul's Cathedral), the 'Desire of Ages' (a devotional book centered in the Life and Teachings of Jesus -- written by Ellen G. White), the 'Federalist Papers' (including the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights), 'Jesus: Last of the Pharaohs' (Christocentric Biblical Egyptology by Ralph Ellis), and Sacred Classical Music. I obviously object to the historical and contemporary absurdities, abuses, corruptions, persecutions, atrocities, infiltrations, subversions, excesses, etc, etc. -- yet I feel that a properly reformed Roman Catholic Church is essential for this world to have any sort of a happy and productive future. This organization is probably at the center of the battle between good and evil in this solar system, and at the epicenter of any galactic issues and conflicts with other planets, star-systems, races, etc. I continue to be both a friend and an enemy of the church.

    I tend to lean toward the French and English versions of Roman Catholicism -- especially regarding how they conduct their services. I lean toward the Anglican Communion, as being a futuristic version of Roman Catholicism. The Roman Catholic Church seems to be burdened with a helluva lot of negative baggage and historical necessities. What if the Roman Catholic Church essentially joined the Anglican Communion? After you stop laughing, think about it! Would Lutherans, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Methodists, and Orthodox Christians be more likely to unite with an Anglican Communion which included the Roman Catholic Church? I know this has a snowball's chance in hell of gaining any traction, but it is something worth thinking about. I'm a fan of Minimalist Tradtionalism and Contemporary Evolutionary Innovation. Some of the Papal robes, hats, thrones, and titles bother me (a lot). I like a combination of the royal-model and the servant-model. I am thinking outside of the box and outside of the church. I am an outsider trying to think like an insider, and it's probably not working, but I'd rather do it this way, than just throw stones and tell two billion people that they're going to hell. I will be spending the next couple of months focusing on Egyptology in general, and Brook's threads in particular, but I probably won't be commenting. I haven't felt ready or able to do this sort of thing previously, possibly because of reincarnational baggage (who knows?), but now I feel a need to properly relate Egyptology to my Christology and Biblical Studies. Thank-you Brook for all of your insights and hard work. It is greatly appreciated. A lack of understanding on my part does not constitute a lack of appreciation.

    I guess I'm attempting to make my peace with an idealized version of that which presently exists, rather than beginning with a clean sheet of paper, or trying to reinvent the wheel. I am engaging in an incognito refining and reforming process, which primarily involves the Moon and the City-States. I think I'd like to live in a Stargate SG-1 Base for a while, with half a dozen researchers, and a supercomputer. This base probably wouldn't have a stargate, although that would be cool. We wouldn't go on missions throughout the galaxy, although that would be cool. This would simply be a think-tank. Most of our discussions would be audio and video recorded, and the best material might be turned into some sort of a show for the general public. If anyone out there can put something like this together, I'd be interested. I'm looking for a new place to live, and I'm tired of talking to myself on the internet. Actually, just give me a 100 square-foot room without a view under the City of London, with an entry-level supercomputer. Then, give me reasonable access to everything interesting and give me a reasonable salary as a Solar System Governance Consultant. Finally, take me seriously. Siriusly. But really, if I just keep doing what I'm doing, there might be less of a chance of becoming corrupted. Billions and Trillions of Dollars -- Here, There, and Everywhere -- Have Been Known to Do Strange Things to People's Minds. The sad reality is that I'm probably just learning how small I am and how big the problems are.

    Continue to carefully consider how things might really work in Heaven. Consider how things might really work on Earth. Consider how things should really work in Heaven and Earth. "On Earth as it is in Heaven"??? Is there any legitimacy to a Representative-Theocracy?? This whole thing is a Very Slippery Slope. Be Careful. We Might Be Dealing with Men of God...


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:46 am

    Thank-you, Ashera. Perhaps we should appreciate all-sides rather than taking sides. This might be more pragmatic than idealistic. What Works?? What if The Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan in the Conflict of the Ages should morph into Combining Opposites for Profit and Pleasure!!?? The Information War might get REALLY Weird!! What if Evil-Neutrality is a Necessary-Evil?? Is the New Testament predominantly Communist or Capitalist?? Be Honest!! What if All Histories, Religions, and Governments Are Cover-Stories?? What if the Bottom 99% Should Study the Top 1%?? Consider Studying The Seattle Times, The New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal with Evil-Neutrality!! Should We Finance All Sides?? Is Moral-Ambiguity Moral?? Consider Pluralistic-Education and Corporate-Employment with Evil-Neutrality!! Should We Love Big Brother?? Should We Be Big Brother?? What Would Big Mother Do??
    mudra wrote: U.S. Navy controls inventions that claim to change "fabric of reality". Inventions with revolutionary potential made by a mysterious aerospace engineer for the U.S. Navy come to light. U.S. Navy holds patents for enigmatic inventions by aerospace engineer Dr. Salvatore Pais. Pais came up with technology that can "engineer" reality, devising an ultrafast craft, a fusion reactor, and more. While mostly theoretical at this point, the inventions could transform energy, space, and military sectors. The U.S. Navy controls patents for some futuristic and outlandish technologies, some of which, dubbed "the UFO patents," came to life recently. Of particular note are inventions by the somewhat mysterious Dr. Salvatore Cezar Pais, whose tech claims to be able to "engineer reality." His slate of highly-ambitious, borderline sci-fi designs meant for use by the U.S. government range from gravitational wave generators and compact fusion reactors to next-gen hybrid aerospace-underwater crafts with revolutionary propulsion systems, and beyond.

    Read on: https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/us-navy-inventions-change-reality
    This thing might be older and darker than we can imagine. Consider an alternative 'Trinity' with a Universe-Wide Supercomputer-Matrix Governance-Modality with a Borg-Queen Matrix-Mediatrix and a Human-Puppet God of This World. I mean zero irreverence. The way things work might actually work in a highly pragmatic manner which involves evil-neutrality as a necessary-evil. How Do We Know What Has REALLY Been Going On (Locally, Globally, Galactically, and Universally)?? What If There Really Has Been a Supercomputer-Matrix-Controlled Borg-Queen of Heaven aka Sun-God in This Solar System for Thousands, Millions, or Even Billions of Years?? What If We Have Been Assimilated Into the Orthodoxymoron-Collective?? What If Resistance is Futile?? Will Exponential-Technology Solve the Solar System's Problems?? Will We Become Gods and Goddesses and Rule the Universe?? Will We Live in Heaven Forever?? Paradise Gained or Lost?? Who Might Be Responsible for Possible Enslavement and/or Extermination?? Was RA Right or Wrong When He Told Me, "Humanity is Screwed"?? In the first episode of the science-fiction series 'V' (2009-11) Agent Erica Evans (She's Hot) tells Father Jack Landry, "We Can't Win." Consider the 1983 Movie, Trading Places. "The First Shall be Last." What if Earth-Humanity is in more trouble than we imagine?? What if Earth-Humanity is completely and absolutely infiltrated and subverted?? What if my speculative-negativity will turn-out to be harsh-truth which will be salvific and therapeutic in the long-run?? I might not have said that quite-right but read between the lines. What if an ancient and hidden Galactic-Empire controls the Local-Empire (Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, etc.)?? What if a Hidden-Controlling Roman-Empire has been (and is) Much-Harsher than the Roman Catholic Church (as We Have Known It to Be Historically)?? I'm NOT Throwing Stones. We Haven't Started Yet. What If One Should Maintain Responsible-Neutrality in a Hypothetical Purgatory Incorporated in Perpetuity?? What if One Shouldn't Be Too-Good or Too-Bad (Under the Circumstances)?? Consider Reading Ecclesiastes Straight-Through, Over and Over. Consider especially the third video. I am NOT a Scholar, so you can make your own evaluations of how accurate it might be. But What If the Entire History of Humanity Has Been (And Is) Just As Harsh?? The Last Few Months Have Absolutely Devastated Me (With NO Relief in Sight). A Chain-Reaction Seems to Have Been Triggered by Me and Others (Similar to a HUGE Multi-Vehicle Pile-Up on the Interstate Highway). The Political and Financial Fighting and Scheming Might Ultimately Destroy the United States and the Rest of the World. Will Others Become King and/or Queen of the Hill Until the Next Regime or Faction Takes-Over (or something to that effect) OR Will There NEVER Be a Regime-Change?? The Fun Might NEVER End. Will Death Be a Sweet-Release OR Will the Pain and Problems Continue Lifetime After Lifetime?? What if Pain is the Cost of Doing Business in the Universe?? A Pastor Told a Small-Group of Us, "Few Know How Much it Costs to Keep Light in the World." I'm Sorry We Couldn't Work Together. Too Much Water has Gone Under the Bridge. Perhaps You'll Stop Hating Me When I Stop Posting. Am I Stuck in Purgatory Incorporated?? Are We Prisoners Here of Our Own Device?? Is It Time to Leave You to Your Own Devices?? What if Things Are Worse Beyond the Solar System?? Are We in the Process of Jumping Out of the Frying-Pan and Into the Fire?? Damned If We Do?? Damned If We Don't?? Damned If I Know. What Does the Fox Say?? Atlas Shrugged.






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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:51 am




    Vidya Moksha wrote:
    So when did they plan this 'pandemic'?
    Predictive programming at its finest:
    Look back at the opening ceremony for the 2012 Olympics
    (remember even the logo spelled 'zion')

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    Vidya Moksha wrote:
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    mudra wrote:
    Perspective on the pandemic:
    blood clots and beyond


    https://youtu.be/pyPjAfNNA-U


    Poster: Journeyman Pictures

    https://www.youtube.com/c/journeyman

    Thubs Up
    mudra wrote:
    DR. SUCHARIT BHAKDI WARNS
    COVID SHOTS WILL 'DECIMATE WORLD POPULATION'
    [2021-04-16]
    - ALEX NEWMAN


    Bitchute:https://www.bitchute.com/video/L4jHFEN6EDIu/
     Enlightened  
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    A chilling real-life medical thriller, Coronary chronicles the story of two highly respected heart doctors who violated the most sacred principle of their profession: First, do no harm.

    In the summer of 2002, fifty-five-year-old John Corapi, a Catholic priest with a colorful background, visited Dr. Chae Hyun Moon, a celebrated cardiologist in Redding, California. Corapi had been suffering from exhaustion and shortness of breath, and although a physical examination and a conventional stress test revealed nothing abnormal, Moon insisted that the calcium level in Corapi's coronary arteries called for a highly invasive diagnostic test: an angiogram. A chain-smoking Korean immigrant known for his gruff bedside manner, Moon performed the procedure briskly and immediately handed down a devastating diagnosis: "I'm sorry; there is nothing I can do for you. You need a triple bypass tomorrow morning." He then abruptly left the room.

    Several hours later, however, Moon inexplicably decided the surgery could wait until Corapi returned from a previously scheduled cross-country trip. Unnerved by the dire diagnosis and also by Moon's inconsistent statements, Corapi sought other opinions. To his amazement, a second, third, and fourth doctor found that his heart was perfectly healthy. In fact, for a man his age, Corapi's arteries were remarkably free of disease.

    Sensing a cause more disturbing than human error, Corapi took his story to the FBI. As local agent Mike Skeen soon discovered, Corapi was one of a number of people who had suspicions about Moon and Moon's go-to cardiac surgeon, Dr. Fidel Realyvasquez, an equally respected member of the close-knit northern California community. Working at a hospital owned by Tenet Healthcare, Moon would make the diagnoses and Realyvasquez would perform the surgeries. Together, these leaders of the Redding medical establishment put hundreds of healthy people at risk, some of whom never recovered. Soon Skeen launched a major investigation, interviewing numerous doctors and patients, and forty federal agents raided the hospital where the doctors worked.

    A timely and provocative dissection of America's medical-industrial complex, Coronary lays bare the financial structures that drive the American healthcare system, and which precipitated Moon's and Realyvasquez's actions. In a scheme that placed the demands of Wall Street above the lives of its patients, Tenet Healthcare rewarded doctors based on how much revenue they generated for the corporation.

    A meticulous three-year FBI investigation and hundreds of civil suits culminated in no criminal charges but a series of settlements with Tenet Healthcare and the doctors that totaled more than $450 million and likely put an end to Moon's and Realyvasquez's medical careers. The case's every twist and turn is documented here.

    A riveting, character-rich narrative and a masterpiece of long-form journalism, Coronary is as powerful as it is alarming. This is a hair-raising story of the hundreds of men and women who went under the knife, not in the name of medicine, but of profit and prestige. Brilliantly told, Stephen Klaidman's Coronary is a cautionary tale in the age of miracle medicine, and a shocking reminder to always get a second opinion.





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    I'm attempting to bring my posting efforts to a screeching-halt, yet there are some loose-ends and tidying-up. This is sort of an Organized-Chaos Theory. My MO is more predictable than you might think. Consider yet another Minimal-List:

    1. Volumes 6 and 7 of The SDA Bible Commentary (Acts to Revelation).

    2. The Music of Bach and Buxtehude.

    3. Exercise in Nature.

    I'm not claiming this is the Truth, yet this might be Neo-Fundamentalism for Latter-Day Luddites!! There's more to this than you might think!! Consider Ivy-League Street-Preachers!! Did someone change the channel during my 'STROKE'?! What if my Brain is filled with Chips and Nanobots?? Siriusly!! What Would the Prince of Sirius Say?! What if one founded The Church of Documentaries?? What if The New York Times replaced The New Testament?? What if one read The New Testament and The New York Times (plus little else)?? Does it have to be more complicated than that??

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    Swanny wrote:I don't trust Trump anymore. He said he was going to drain the swamp and put clinton etc in jail but so far he's done nothing and now he's going to force vaccinate the people. No
    orthodoxymoron wrote:I suspect the Kennedy Version of the Secret Government. The Johnson Version of the Secret Government. The Nixon Version of the Secret Government. The Ford Version of the Secret Government. The Carter Version of the Secret Government. The Reagan Version of the Secret Government. The Bush Version of the Secret Government. The Clinton Version of the Secret Government. The Obama Version of the Secret Government. The Trump Version of the Secret Government. The Queen Version of the Secret Government. The Pope Version of the Secret Government. I Could Continue. I'm Deeply Destressed by My Recent So-Called 'STROKE' and I Suspect it has Everything to do with Chips, Nanobots, Neurotoxins, Supercomputers, Satellites, Angels, and Demons. The Usual Misery and Incapacitation was Punctuated for at least 36 Hours While My Speech was Horribly Garbled, Yet I Seemed to Have a Miraculous Recovery, with Near 100% Speech Capabilities (While Continuing to be a Miserable and Hamstrung Wretch). Meanwhile, No-One Seems to Give a God-Damn. The End Might be Near.
    Carol wrote:
    Read with discretion.

    May 18, 2020
    Area 51 destroyed as Secret War intensifies
    By Benjamin Fulford Weekly Reports  

    The battle for Planet Earth is entering a dangerous phase as at least three factions desperately fight for domination.  This onslaught is now showing not only biblical but even otherworldly dimensions.  The biblical aspect includes the occupation of the main holy sites of Islam by unknown forces.
    The otherworldly aspect includes an attack on area 51 and a downed UFO in Brazil.  All this is happening while the Covid-19 scamdemic is being fought over by factions who just want to control humanity versus factions that want to kill most of us off.

    Let us start with the otherworldly part of this battle.  Here the U.S. government started openly recruiting staff for off-world work.  The ad can be seen here:



    The release of this recruitment advert was followed by the murder of Air Force Col. Thomas Falzarano, who commanded the service’s 21st Space Wing. https://www.stripes.com/news/air-force/air-force-space-wing-commander-dies-at-peterson-air-force-base-1.629647

    Then immediately afterward, there was a huge attack on the infamous Area 51 “UFO base.”  The seismograph of the 6.5 magnitude quake that hit the base shows a sudden massive explosion, not a natural earthquake.


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    https://www.accuweather.com/en/severe-weather/6-5-magnitude-earthquake-strikes-nevada-shaking-felt-hundreds-of-miles-away/740300

    Pentagon sources say “the hospital ship USNS Mercy left Los Angeles on May 15th as Nevada and Croatia were hit with quakes.”  They say the ship was filled with arrested Satanists and hinted that they destroyed underground bases at both locations after children were rescued from underground adrenochrome manufacturing facilities.

    The quakes were followed by a very unusual UFO sighting in Brazil followed by a crash of a UFO that was filmed by many people.  A two-minute video showing the UFOs and the crash site can be seen here:



    The U.S. Naval Intelligence linked site Sorcha Faal, for its part, claims the U.S. retaliated for the murder of Colonel Falzano by killing the Chinese Ambassador to Israel Du Wei. So why would the Navy think the Chinese orchestrated the murder of a space force commander?

    It’s not clear, but several years ago a member of the Rothschild family introduced me to a representative of the Dragon family saying, “If you want to talk to China, this is as high as it goes.”   The Dragon family representative told me the Chinese had off-world sponsors who threatened to put humanity under “very strict control” if they did not “get their act together.”

    There are a lot of question marks surrounding these events but clearly something highly unusual is going on.

    Now let us look at the Biblical part.  Pentagon sources, in their version, say the Chinese Ambassador to Israel was killed because a Chinese Zionist faction was… financially supporting Israeli efforts to annex more Palestinian land and build the third temple, thus triggering an end-times event.  “The death of the ambassador may also cause China to stop investments in Israel while galvanizing even more international punitive actions against annexation,” the sources say.

    “Jordan is so upset with the annexation that the King himself warned of a ‘massive conflict’ and may not just cancel the 1994 peace agreement but also the $10B gas deal with Israel,” they continue.  In a warning to Israel they said:

    “Egypt has powerful Russian radars that cover all of Israel from the South to complement Syrian radars from the North.”

    The sources further noted that “The International Criminal Court has a stronger case against Israel with the Arab League declaring the annexation as a ‘new war crime’.”

    Without U.S. backing and with Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran poised against it, Israel is facing an existential crisis.  That’s why they formed a unified government now under the control of Satanist Benjamin Netanyahu.  Upon taking power yet again Netanyahu said:

    “We must never forget that we must rely on ourselves, for our security, the cornerstone of which is the IDF and security forces.” In other words “we are on our own now.”

    It looks like the Israelis are also trying to invoke Moses by making a river there run red.  https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11637903/israel-river-red-blood-like-biblical-plague-egypt/

    The Israeli’s Satanic pseudo-Muslim allies in Saudi Arabia are also under extreme threat.  Not only have they lost allies like the UAE and Qatar, but they are also now under attack from Yemen.

    The cities of Riyadh, Mecca, and Medina have been under 24-hour curfew and shut off from the rest of the world since April 2nd.  There are also reports that 70% of the population has been infected with the “coronavirus.” https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/coronavirus-saudi-arabia-mecca-most-population-infected

    This could be a sign that the entire population is being culled.  Some of the P3 Freemasons have an extremely deep hatred of Islam.  That’s because they have waged a Holy War for over a thousand years against them.  They also blame Islam for most of the world’s problems.  Therefore, it’s entirely possible some sort reckoning is now taking place there.

    Remember the “coronavirus” has been used as a cover for mass murder in Wuhan, China, and for the culling of Satanists inside the U.S.

    Recall how last we noted the President of Tanzania sent various samples of food, animals, and materials disguised with human identities to the W.H.O. for coronavirus testing and most came back positive?

    Well now the President of Madagascar, Andry Rajoelina, claims the World Health Organization offered a $20-million bribe to poison their Covid-19 medicine. https://greatgameindia.com/who-offered-20m-bribe-to-poison-covid-19-cure-madagascar-president/

    There is plenty of evidence now coming out that this so-called pandemic was planned long in advance. The EU, for example, came out in 2012 with a pandemic comic book intended only for senior staff.  The plot reads almost identically to what is going on now. Towards the end it read:

    “The fear thus created can be put to good use” triggering a “global response…under the guidance of international technical organizations.”

    You can download the whole comic from the EU website: https://op.europa.eu/en/publication-detail/-/publication/4cc2ea93-d003-417e-9294-1103a6ee877d

    The elite have made many practice runs for this current “plandemic.”  Here is what the World Bank had to say in 2017:

    “The World Bank Group is working with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, to conduct the first set of pandemic simulation exercises that are designed to recreate a disease outbreak scenario to provoke a robust discussion about pandemic preparedness among policymakers.  President Jim Yong Kim, Bill Gates and Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany will jointly host simulation exercises on pandemic preparedness for the Heads of State and private sector leaders during the next World Economic Forum in Davos in January 2017 and the G-20 Heads of State meeting in July 2017. https://blogs.worldbank.org/health/pandemic-simulations-preparing-catastrophe-we-hope-will-never-happen

    The Chinese appear to be on board with the official Xinhua news site saying:

    “Given the colossal hit on real economies and the highly interrelated global financial system, saving a globalized economy this time requires even stronger global collaboration.” http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-05/18/c_139065941.htm

    The EU comic book ends with an Asian and a European falling in love and kissing, implying that East and West are being united.  The Chinese certainly support such a scenario.

    The problem is that there is a faction using this misguided, if well-intentioned, exercise for much more sinister purposes.

    MI6 sources now say:

    “The obstacles [to starting the new financial system] are the acts of war and high treason as the WHO attempted to foist this hybrid total population control system by way of an induced global sickness.  Ordo ab Chao type stuff.”

    We appear to have at least three groups trying to use this plandemic to promote their own agendas.

    1)    The moderates who want a friendly planet where all countries work together to solve problems we all face i.e. a loose world government.

    2)    The control freaks who want to microchip us all and keep us under strict, centralized control.  They are the ones calling for “social distancing” because their microchip control systems don’t work if people are too close together.

    3)    Finally, we have the radical messianic Zionists who still think we need to kill 90% of the world’s population and enslave the rest.  These are the ones trying to kill us with 5G electromagnetic weapons, poisonous medicine, etc.

    There is also a fourth group of isolationists under U.S. President Donald Trump that appears to want none of the above but have America go it alone.

    This group is, in its own way, doing a lot to liberate the Republic of the United States from the Satanic owners of the U.S. Corporate government.

    For example, it looks like they are about to free prison slave laborers.  Last week Trump passed an executive order against forced labor. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/eo-establishment-forced-labor-enforcement-task-force-section-741-united-states-mexico-canada-agreement-implementation-act/

    The key point of this order is Section 307 of the Tariff Act of 1930 (19 U.S.C.  § 1307).  This “prohibits the importation of merchandise mined, produced or manufactured, wholly or in part, in any foreign country by forced or indentured child labor – including forced child labor.”

    Of course, it may just be an excuse not to buy things from China.  However, prison slave laborers are being freed across the U.S. now. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/17/gavin-newsom-california-governor-eyes-prison-closu/

    The nationalization of the Federal Reserve Board inside the U.S. is also starting to benefit average Americans.  For example, two-thirds of Americans left unemployed by this pandemic exercise are now getting more money than when they were working.  Also, the U.S. is finally rebuilding its long-neglected infrastructure. https://www.redstate.com/alexparker/2020/05/15/coronavirus-two-thirds-americans-making-more-unemployment-economic-stimulus-cares-act/

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-securing-united-states-bulk-power-system/

    If the Americans did not nationalize the FRB, each baby born in the U.S. would start life with $6.4 million in debt compared with $80,000 in 1970 and $1.2 million in 2007.

    The gnostic Illuminati controlled U.S. is also winning its battle against bloodline rule there. The bloodline families are now being forced to fight against Trump using a virtual Obama. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8328345/Donald-Trump-asserts-shutdowns-deadly-people-leave-house.html

    There is also a lot of corruption being rooted out as can be seen from this Trump tweet:

    “Joe Biden’s deadbeat son Hunter inked a $1.5 BILLION deal with China while Joe was Vice President.  What did the Biden’s offer China in return?  Obama was the most corrupt President in U.S. history.”

    Also, former CIA and Marine intelligence officer Robert David Steele notes that “the certainty that NSA has every email, every text, every cell call, every game chat ever made by naked short selling and money laundering criminals on Wall Street — could yield a $100 trillion bonanza for President Donald J. Trump, who up to this point has been fooled into thinking that $15 trillion was the best he could get.  Learn more at https://stopnakedshortselling.org”

    It’s worth noting that foreigners dumped a record $300 billion in U.S. debt in March. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/foreigners-dumped-record-amount-us-treasuries-amid-march-liqudity-crisis

    Therefore, with U.S. industrial production dropping the most in 100 years and now operating at only 65% capacity due to a lack of imported parts, the Trump regime will have no choice but to make a deal with the moderate faction of the globalists. https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/us-industrial-production-plunges-most-over-100-years

    We would like to conclude this week with some good news. It appears the tide has been turned on the human-caused mass extinction event. The positive signs in nature are many.  For example, clearer skies are being noted around the world and the Himalayas can once again be clearly seen in India, humpback whale populations are back at levels not seen since before whaling started, Hainan gibbons are back from the brink of extinction and the first wild stork in hundreds of years was born in the UK.

    We live in interesting times indeed ...
    Seashore wrote:Apparently, Celeste Bishop Solum feels that we must go through the times she is describing so that the Second Coming can take place.  As I've stated on other threads, the book of Revelation in the Bible is the Illuminati's blueprint for their New World Order, not the word of God.  I learned this from Montauk Project survivor Stewart Swerdlow and I believe it's true. I think we the people need to take a non-religious approach to what our response should be to this lockdown and tyranny, in general.
    It seems as if humanity has ended-up with some of the worst religion imaginable (by accident and/or design). I've noticed a three-group compartmentalization in the New Testament:

    1. Matthew to Acts (Five Books).
    2. Romans to Jude (Twenty-One Books).
    3. Revelation (One Book).

    The most problematic book is Revelation. Christians look to it for hope, but a careful reading reveals extreme violence, which doesn't seem very Christian. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Acts have significant internal-consistency and historicity problems (for starters). Romans to Jude seems to be the Cream of the NT, yet there are troubling aspects here as well. Theologians pick and choose, making the Bible say what they want it to say, but is this honest?? A Central-Authority seems to control All-Sides (Good and Bad) to control Humanity. But the Information-War is revealing what was formerly hidden, so perhaps the Hidden PTB are clamping down on Earth-Humanity in an external-manner as they are exposed and revealed to the general-public. COVID-19 might be part of this. Things might get MUCH Worse. Consider reading 'The Gods of Eden' by William Bramley. Here is the first part of an audio-book. This is chilling stuff.



    What if we are stuck with BS VS BS?? What if none of us can handle the TRUTH?? What if Pain and Conflict are the Cost of Doing Business in the Universe?? What if we lived on a Low-Tech Planet run by a Benevolent-Dictator?? Would this be Heaven?? What if Earth is Purgatory Incorporated on the verge of descending into Hell on Earth?? What if the Universe-Situation is worse than anyone can imagine?? The more I attempt to know, and the higher I climb, the more precarious the perch I end up clinging to. I recently suggested the possibility of President Trump absenting himself from the daily-briefings, with Vice President Pence and/or the CDC updating the country and world each day. The President would deliver a well-prepared 'Fireside Chat' from the Oval Office of the White House each week. This was just a brain-fart, but soon I heard the Washington State Governor, Jay Inslee (who I met many years ago) use the term "Fireside Chat" in a briefing, and a few days later, I read the following on the April 10 front page of The New York Times:

    In his daily briefings on the coronavirus, President Trump has brandished all the familiar tools in his rhetorical arsenal: belittling Democratic governors, demonizing the media, trading in innuendo and bulldozing over the guidance of experts. It's the kind of performance the president relishes, but one that has his advisers and Republican allies worried.

    As unemployment soars and the death toll skyrockets, and new polls show support for the president's handling of the crisis sagging, White House allies and Republican lawmakers increasingly believe the briefings are hurting the president more than helping him. Many view the sessions as a kind of original sin from which all of his missteps flow, once he gets through his prepared script and turns to his preferred style of extemporaneous bluster and invective.

    Mr. Trump "sometimes drowns out his own message," said Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who has become one of the president's informal counselors and told him "a once-a-week show" could be more effective. Representative Susan Brooks of Indiana said "they're going on too long." Senator Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia said the briefings were "going off the rails a little bit" and suggested that he should "let the health professionals guide where we're going to go."


    I'm sure this was merely coincidental, but it startled me a bit, and made me wish to go incognito once again. What if ALL of US are being gradually turned into Super-Soldiers?? What if COVID-19, Vaccinations, and 5G have everything to do with this?? What if we reincarnate into Huge-Hybrids combining AI, Robotics, Human, and Reptilian into a Hive-Minded Brave New Army and Space-Force for a Brand New Star-War aka War in Heaven?? My theological background involves a Final-War Against God at the End of the Millennium. What if we are nearing the End of the Millennium right now?? I suspect that ALL Theologies are a deceptive mixture of Truth and Lies, but that some of us must deeply study things which might drive most of us completely insane. I've tried to provide clues, but I beat around the Burning-Bush to maintain some semblance of sanity. I still think reading a couple of Major-Newspapers combined with Exercise in Nature might be a reasonable approach to This Present Madness. Everything seems to be breaking-down and coming apart at the seams. In 'Stargate', 'RA' boasts, "I Built Your Civilization, and Now I Will Destroy It!!" 'RA' told me, "Humanity is Screwed" and "You'll be Sorry if You Try to Save Humanity" and "In Twenty Years, You'll be Working for Us." That Would be in 2030. I am extremely apprehensive regarding the remainder of the 21st century. There might not be much left in A.D. 2133, when I've tentatively imagined a Royal-Model United States of the Solar System Under God. But Hope Springs Eternal.



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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:56 am

    All Roads Lead to Rome.
    Coronavirus was in Italy Before the Pandemic.
    Carol wrote:Now that they do have a cure for COViD19 there's light at the end of the tunnel. Testing needs to be up and running (the short term variety) and medicine for the cure available.
    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    An anti-parasitic head lice drug available around the world has been found to kill COVID-19 in the lab within 48 hours. A Monash University-led study has shown a single dose of the drug Ivermectin could stop the SARS-CoV-2 virus growing in cell culture. 'We found that even a single dose could essentially remove all viral RNA (effectively removed all genetic material of the virus) by 48 hours and that even at 24 hours there was a really significant reduction in it,' Monash Biomedicine Discovery Institute's Dr. Kylie Wagstaff said on Friday. While it's not known how Ivermectin works on the virus, the drug likely stops the virus dampening the host cells' ability to clear it. The next step is for scientists to determine the correct human dosage, to make sure the level used in vitro is safe for humans. 'In times when we're having a global pandemic and there isn't an approved treatment, if we had a compound that was already available around the world then that might help people sooner,' Dr. Wagstaff said. 'Realistically it's going to be a while before a vaccine is broadly available.' Scientists expect it could be at least a month before human trials. Before Ivermectin can be used to combat coronavirus, funding is needed to get it to pre-clinical testing and clinical trials. Ivermectin is an FDA-approved anti-parasitic drug also shown to be effective in vitro against viruses including HIV, dengue and influenza. The study is the joint work of Monash Biomedicine Discovery Institute and the Peter Doherty Institute of Infection and Immunity. The study findings have been published in Antiviral Research.
    Vidya Moksha wrote:I dont have a source for this. But its worth a read for sure !

    In the last 3–5 days, a mountain of anecdotal evidence has come out of NYC, Italy, Spain, etc. about COVID-19 and characteristics of patients who get seriously ill. It’s not only piling up but now leading to a general field-level consensus backed up by a few previously little-known studies that we’ve had it all wrong the whole time. Well, a few had some things eerily correct (cough Trump cough), especially with Hydroxychloroquine with Azithromicin, but we’ll get to that in a minute.

    There is no ‘pneumonia’ nor ARDS. At least not the ARDS with established treatment protocols and procedures we’re familiar with. Ventilators are not only the wrong solution, but high pressure intubation can actually wind up causing more damage than without, not to mention complications from tracheal scarring and ulcers given the duration of intubation often required…

    They may still have a use in the immediate future for patients too far to bring back with this newfound knowledge, but moving forward a new treatment protocol needs to be established so we stop treating patients for the wrong disease.

    The past 48 hours or so have seen a huge revelation: COVID-19 causes prolonged and progressive hypoxia (starving your body of oxygen) by binding to the heme groups in hemoglobin in your red blood cells. People are simply desaturating (losing o2 in their blood), and that’s what eventually leads to organ failures that kill them, not any form of ARDS or pneumonia. All the damage to the lungs you see in CT scans are from the release of oxidative iron from the hemes, this overwhelms the natural defenses against pulmonary oxidative stress and causes that nice, always-bilateral ground glass opacity in the lungs. Patients returning for re-hospitalization days or weeks after recovery suffering from apparent delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy strengthen the notion COVID-19 patients are suffering from hypoxia despite no signs of respiratory ‘tire out’ or fatigue.

    Here’s the breakdown of the whole process, including some ELI5-level cliff notes. Much has been simplified just to keep it digestible and layman-friendly.

    Your red blood cells carry oxygen from your lungs to all your organs and the rest of your body. Red blood cells can do this thanks to hemoglobin, which is a protein consisting of four “hemes”. Hemes have a special kind of iron ion, which is normally quite toxic in its free form, locked away in its center with a porphyrin acting as it’s ‘container’. In this way, the iron ion can be ‘caged’ and carried around safely by the hemoglobin, but used to bind to oxygen when it gets to your lungs.

    When the red blood cell gets to the alveoli, or the little sacs in your lungs where all the gas exchange happens, that special little iron ion can flip between FE2+ and FE3+ states with electron exchange and bond to some oxygen, then it goes off on its little merry way to deliver o2 elsewhere.

    Here’s where COVID-19 comes in. Its glycoproteins bond to the heme, and in doing so that special and toxic oxidative iron ion is “disassociated” (released). It’s basically let out of the cage and now freely roaming around on its own.

    This is bad for two reasons:

    1) Without the iron ion, hemoglobin can no longer bind to oxygen. Once all the hemoglobin is impaired, the red blood cell is essentially turned into a Freightliner truck cab with no trailer and no ability to store its cargo.. it is useless and just running around with COVID-19 virus attached to its porphyrin. All these useless trucks running around not delivering oxygen is what starts to lead to desaturation, or watching the patient’s spo2 levels drop. It is INCORRECT to assume traditional ARDS and in doing so, you’re treating the WRONG DISEASE. Think of it a lot like carbon monoxide poisoning, in which CO is bound to the hemoglobin, making it unable to carry oxygen. In those cases, ventilators aren’t treating the root cause; the patient’s lungs aren’t ‘tiring out’, they’re pumping just fine. The red blood cells just can’t carry o2, end of story. Only in this case, unlike CO poisoning in which eventually the CO can break off, the affected hemoglobin is permanently stripped of its ability to carry o2 because it has lost its iron ion. The body compensates for this lack of o2 carrying capacity and deliveries by having your kidneys release hormones like erythropoietin, which tell your bone marrow factories to ramp up production on new red blood cells with freshly made and fully functioning hemoglobin. This is the reason you find elevated hemoglobin and decreased blood oxygen saturation as one of the 3 primary indicators of whether the XXXX is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.

    2) That little iron ion, along with millions of its friends released from other hemes, are now floating through your blood freely. As I mentioned before, this type of iron ion is highly reactive and causes oxidative damage. It turns out that this happens to a limited extent naturally in our bodies and we have cleanup & defense mechanisms to keep the balance. The lungs, in particular, have 3 primary defenses to maintain “iron homeostasis”, 2 of which are in the alveoli, those little sacs in your lungs we talked about earlier. The first of the two are little macrophages that roam around and scavenge up any free radicals like this oxidative iron. The second is a lining on the walls (called the epithelial surface) which has a thin layer of fluid packed with high levels of antioxidant molecules.. things like abscorbic acid (AKA Vitamin C) among others. Well, this is usually good enough for naturally occurring rogue iron ions but with COVID-19 running rampant your body is now basically like a progressive state letting out all the prisoners out of the prisons… it’s just too much iron and it begins to overwhelm your lungs’ countermeasures, and thus begins the process of pulmonary oxidative stress. This leads to damage and inflammation, which leads to all that nasty stuff and damage you see in CT scans of COVID-19 patient lungs. Ever noticed how it’s always bilateral? (both lungs at the same time) Pneumonia rarely ever does that, but COVID-19 does…EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

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    Once your body is now running out of control, with all your oxygen trucks running around without any freight, and tons of this toxic form of iron floating around in your bloodstream, other defenses kick in. While your lungs are busy with all this oxidative stress they can’t handle, and your organs are being starved of o2 without their constant stream of deliveries from red blood cell’s hemoglobin, and your liver is attempting to do its best to remove the iron and store it in its ‘iron vault’. Only its getting overwhelmed too. It’s starved for oxygen and fighting a losing battle from all your hemoglobin letting its iron free, and starts crying out “help, I’m taking damage!” by releasing an enzyme called alanine aminotransferase (ALT). BOOM, there is your second of 3 primary indicators of whether the XXXX is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.

    Eventually, if the patient’s immune system doesn’t fight off the virus in time before their blood oxygen saturation drops too low, ventilator or no ventilator, organs start shutting down. No fuel, no work. The only way to even try to keep them going is max oxygen, even a hyperbaric chamber if one is available on 100% oxygen at multiple atmospheres of pressure, just to give what’s left of their functioning hemoglobin a chance to carry enough o2 to the organs and keep them alive. Yeah we don’t have nearly enough of those chambers, so some fresh red blood cells with normal hemoglobin in the form of a transfusion will have to do.

    The core point being, treating patients with the iron ions stripped from their hemoglobin (rendering it abnormally nonfunctional) with ventilator intubation is futile, unless you’re just hoping the patient’s immune system will work its magic in time. The root of the illness needs to be addressed.

    Best case scenario? Treatment regimen early, before symptoms progress too far.

    Hydroxychloroquine (more on that in a minute, I promise) with Azithromicin has shown fantastic, albeit critics keep mentioning ‘anecdotal’ to describe the mountain, promise and I’ll explain why it does so well next. But forget straight-up plasma with antibodies, that might work early but if the patient is too far gone they’ll need more. They’ll need all the blood: antibodies and red blood cells. No help in sending over a detachment of ammunition to a soldier already unconscious and bleeding out on the battlefield, you need to send that ammo along with some hemoglobin-stimulant-magic so that he can wake up and fire those shots at the enemy.

    The story with Hydroxychloroquine

    All that hilariously misguided and counterproductive criticism the media piled on chloroquine (purely for political reasons) as a viable treatment will now go down as the biggest Fake News blunder to rule them all. The media actively engaged their activism to fight ‘bad orange man’ at the cost of thousands of lives. Shame on them.

    How does chloroquine work? Same way as it does for malaria. You see, malaria is this little parasite that enters the red blood cells and starts eating hemoglobin as its food source. The reason chloroquine works for malaria is the same reason it works for COVID-19 — while not fully understood, it is suspected to bind to DNA and interfere with the ability to work magic on hemoglobin. The same mechanism that stops malaria from getting its hands on hemoglobin and gobbling it up seems to do the same to COVID-19 (essentially little snippets of DNA in an envelope) from binding to it. On top of that, Hydroxychloroquine (an advanced descendant of regular old chloroquine) lowers the pH which can interfere with the replication of the virus. Again, while the full details are not known, the entire premise of this potentially ‘game changing’ treatment is to prevent hemoglobin from being interfered with, whether due to malaria or COVID-19.

    No longer can the media and armchair pseudo-physicians sit in their little ivory towers, proclaiming “DUR so stoopid, malaria is bacteria, COVID-19 is virus, anti-bacteria drug no work on virus!”. They never got the memo that a drug doesn’t need to directly act on the pathogen to be effective. Sometimes it’s enough just to stop it from doing what it does to hemoglobin, regardless of the means it uses to do so.

    Anyway, enough of the rant. What’s the end result here?

    First, the ventilator emergency needs to be re-examined. If you’re putting a patient on a ventilator because they’re going into a coma and need mechanical breathing to stay alive, okay we get it. Give ’em time for their immune systems to pull through. But if they’re conscious, alert, compliant — keep them on O2. Max it if you have to. If you HAVE to inevitably ventilate, do it at low pressure but max O2. Don’t tear up their lungs with max PEEP, you’re doing more harm to the patient because you’re treating the wrong disease.

    Ideally, some form of treatment needs to happen to:

    Inhibit viral growth and replication. Here plays CHQ+ZPAK+ZINC or other retroviral therapies being studies. Less virus, less hemoglobin losing its iron, less severity and damage. Therapies used for anyone with abnormal hemoglobin or malfunctioning red blood cells.

    Blood transfusions. Whatever, I don’t know the full breadth and scope because I’m not a physician. But think along those lines, and treat the real disease. If you’re thinking about giving them plasma with antibodies, maybe if they’re already in bad shape think again and give them BLOOD with antibodies, or at least blood followed by plasma with antibodies.

    Now that we know more about how this virus works and affects our bodies, a whole range of options should open up."

    Solar rays high in the atmosphere convert O2 to O3. In the upper atmosphere, rays from the Sun break a normal oxygen molecule into two separate oxygen atoms. Another oxygen molecule then picks up one of these atoms to form an ozone molecule.

    Although O3 has dangerous effects, yet researchers believe it has many therapeutic effects. Ozone therapy has been utilized and heavily studied for more than a century. Its effects are proven, consistent, safe and with minimal and preventable side effects.

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    orthodoxymoron wrote:Wow!! Vidya!! Just Wow!! I read the article quickly, and now I'll read it again slowly!! Don't tell me YOU wrote this!! You seemed to know a lot about masks in our previous conversation!! Forgive me, but I kept imagining 'V' in 'V for Vendetta' speaking the words!! Do you mind if I include your post in my USSS thread?? I usually just include quoted posts with the quote-boxes in my massive posts, but I'll wait for your permission on this one. Wow!! Vidya!! Just Wow!!
    Swanny wrote:
    Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell is an ED-ICU Doc at Maimonides in New York, currently under the COVID fire. He put up an inflammatory tweet yesterday which caused a lot of different reactions, because it clearly challenged the widespread even if only recent belief that one should intubate the COVID patients quite early, usually much earlier than one would in typical respiratory failure:
    BTW, I missed your post, Carol!! That was 'hitting below the belt'!!
    Carol wrote:
    If you read toilet-paper Oxy, it may help clean out that negative thinking.
    Insanely Happy
    What Would 'Q' Do??
    Vidya Moksha wrote:Oxy, I didnt write the above post and I dont know who did. I am trying to find the source. post it wherever you want..I havent followed up any of the links at the bottom of my post yet, I posted the whole piece as I found it.
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Vidya. Swanny posted the above video, which is supportive of the article you posted. I find the following video from 'V for Vendetta' to be absolutely chilling. I'm sure it has no application to our present crisis, but one never knows for sure...and I can imagine 'V' communicating that article to the Inspector!! 'V' = 'Q'?? 'Inspector' = 'Orthodoxymoron'??


    'V' = 'Q'?? 'Inspector' = 'Orthodoxymoron'??
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    Micjer wrote:Typical AJ his deadline has  come and gone with no release of details. If you take the time to listen to his rant, he says that he knows who Q is and who started it, in the beginning, and states that POTUS is in on it and aware of the details. So that confuses me more that why AJ has his knickers in a twist over this, other than loss of revenue, like we said before.
    Vidya Moksha wrote:
    Seashore wrote:
    Vidya Moksha wrote:
    He is just a puppet of Israel.
    I worry about that, because of who his son-in-law is. But it seems his campaign against child trafficking is genuine, and that patriots in military intelligence really did recruit him to run for President to do something about it, and I'm hoping that mainstream exposure of murderous pedophilia is going to turn the tide. The one thing that can unite a country is the love of children.
    If you look back though some of the posts in here you will see we all echo your hopes, how could we not?

    And lets hope the Satanists are rooted out and the children protected, but then who protects the Palestinian kids, the Syrian kids, the Venezuelan kids.. the Iranian kids.. Or don’t they matter, don’t they count? Is it ok to send drones in to bomb children attending weddings in Afghanistan?

    From outside the US looking in,  it is incredible to see the choice north america had at the last election, Trump was by far, a staggering distance, a better option than Clinton. I was genuinely about to run to the hills if Clinton won, I thought she was setting up a world war..

    But the US is between a rock and a hard place. Trump is not for the people. He is not for peace, he is not for the planet. I don’t doubt he has the US best interests on his agenda.. but at what cost to the rest of the world?

    The staggering, overwhelming arrogance of the US is really too much for the world to bear. Most ‘yanks’ call themselves ‘Americans’, when there are 23 countries on the continent, the Americas. I know from experience that the South Americans are proud to be ‘American’ too, and are quick to  label the gringos as North American.

    I only had one difficult moment in South America, and it was on a coach Through Chile!. In the middle of the desert the bus conductor (a big man) brought two equally big friends to encircle me on my seat. Their intent was clear, I was in trouble! They were mean, angry, snarling.. I had nowhere to go.. nowhere to run.. My Spanish wasn’t (and isn’t) great but I realised they thought I was from North America. ‘No!, soy Ingles!’ I informed them. The mood transformed instantly. Ah, Ingles! Hello.. they smiled and chatted and the bus conductor brought me a sandwich and a coffee.. I dread to think what hey have brought me if I was a North American.

    And now Fulford informs us Trump is going after Venezuela's oil.. ? After the propaganda comes the military .. the staged coup.. What right does the US have to interfere in another country, to steal their assets,, its akin to the schoolyard bully..Trump’s record in the Golan Heights is completely shame worthy.

    I read Iran want cash to help with corona virus, they have a nasty strain, which itself is somewhat indicative as to who’s behind this.. but trump wont allow it.. the school yard bully will have his way and isreal will be supported at all costs..

    We cant blame trump for this, it goes way back to Nixon, and before.. I am reminded of a song penned in 1974.. and the lines, “Hey Mister Nixon, hey Mister Heath, can't you pull your pants up boys, I'm standing underneath,,” The characters have changed in the following 46 years, but the policies haven’t.

    I had to smile at a twitter post from the middle east. They were drawing parallels with America foreign policy to the bear who saves a drowing fish.. So apt.. so true..


    Carol wrote:
    Swanny wrote:
    If nothing happens this weekend (Easter) then I guess Q is just a psyop ?
    No. Misdirection is often used to confuse the enemy.
    So Q is likely a pyso-op, but even if not, where does this leave the rest of the world? What does this do for world peace?

    If misdirection is a valid tool, then who are Q’s real enemies? Who is Q mis-directing? The folk who think they have taken a peek behind the curtain? Those starting to wake up.. hush hush, my little children. Go back to sleep, trump has it all under control..Really?

    Trump is pro-vaccine, will the Q followers gladly roll up their sleeves?


    Not the best recording, and not his finest work, but the lyrics I mentioned above:

    Roy Harper Kangaroo Blues

    Confusion rains down on us all
    From the blistering heights of reason
    A shame we have no balls at all
    On which to scratch our fleas on
    Or else we'd know
    T'was Romeo
    The spunky holy spirit
    Who pulls his foreskin to and fro
    And shoots the giddy limits

    Hey Mr Nixon
    Hey Mr Heath
    Can't you pull your pants up boys?
    I'm standing underneath
    Feeling jumpy about society
    I'm feeling jumpy about society
    I'm feeling jumpy about society and

    I'm down death-wishing on my knees
    In the holy ghost of Los Angeles
    Praying for a reason
    Praying for a reason

    Hey Mr Human
    Hey boney dome
    Can't you see the next world war is raging in your home?
    Are you feeling jumpy about this crazy society?
    Feeling jumpy about society

    Will the people of this world please disunite
    There ain't no rules that could ever be right
    In between the hang-ups
    In between the hang-ups
    In between the hang-ups
    In between the hang-ups

    I got the kangaroo blues
    Got the kangaroo blues
    Got the kangaroo blues
    Feeling jumpy about society yes
    With the kangaroo blues and feeling jumpy about society
    orthodoxymoron wrote:From May and June of 2020: I had a medical appointment following my ER Stroke Crisis, and things are stable and promising (how's that for a politician). My COVID-19 test was negative. Three referrals to go (but I'll keep you guessing). I just realized the detail in The Event series (especially regarding the final few episodes). I used to ride my mini-bike in a hilly  area of Saugus in a deleted scene on the DVD. Thomas reminded me of me, and a girl liked me who reminded me of Thomas's girlfriend. Sophia was the mother of Thomas. President Martinez suffered a poison-induced mimic-stroke with an antidote resulting his complete recovery. I seem to have suffered a poison-induced mimic-stroke which resulted in a complete recovery. Sophia used Acting President Jarvis to poison President Martinez. Who do you think Martinez and Jarvis reminds you of?? Think of who Sophia reminds you of?? The (planned pandemic) Spanish Flu was used to exterminate humanity to make room for Sophia's people (narrowly avoiding the extermination). Try watching The Event side-by-side with V for Vendetta and Contagion. I think I might've mentioned that the day the Impeachment was cancelled, President Trump seemed extremely unhappy looking, and I noticed a key supporter seemed to be uncharacteristically quiet and somber. I thought they would be celebrating big-time. In light of COVID-19 and The Event, all of this seemed somewhat strange. Just Saying. Consider The Conflict of Ages Series and Baroque Sacred Classical Music. I'm always in a funny mood, but few tolerate my dry and dark humor. I mostly post and delete on the threads of others. I can't resist posting, but after I copy and paste the post onto my USSS thread, I tend to delete the original post. Most of my posts aren't appropriate for the other threads. I'm probably better off as a 'Lone Nut'. I suspect that I don't fit anywhere in the universe, which is why I'm probably a 'Galactic Happy Wanderer' aka 'Solar System Analyst'. Just a Hypothesis. I'm using a coffee-filter for a face-mask by attaching it to my face with duct-tape!! The tape seals the edge of the filter all the way around so the coronavirus can't get in or out!! Unfortunately, the filter is probably N25!! Here is a more sophisticated coffee-filter mask!!

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    orthodoxymoron wrote:Twenty-Four Hours Began at Exactly Noon (May 13) As Two Ambulances and Half-Dozen Fire-Personnel Pounded on My Front-Door While Suffering a Stroke as One of the Ambulances Raced for Twenty-Four Miles and Twenty-Four Minutes as Sirens Wailed as the Fire-Department Braved Red-Lights and Traffic-Signals as My Speech was Badly-Garbled as My Predicament Worsened as the Crowded Emergency-Department Became Increasingly Concerned as Too-Much Time had Passed as an Expensive Drug was Too-Risky as the Emergency CAT-SCAN Revealed Slice After Slice of the Computer-Axial-Tomography Offered Faith, Hope, and Love as the ER Doctor Feared Brain-Damage was a Done-Deal as COVID-19 Swabs Invaded my Nostrils (Hopefully a Negative Verdict) as the Sexy-Nurses Lifted My Spirits Despite My Dire-Straits. My Disheveled Appearance Embarrassed Me as the Occupational-Therapist and Physical-Therapist Stood Their Ground as I Became Impatient as I Couldn't Communicate as My Fragmented-Words and Meaningless-Images, Caused My Anger and Frustration to Boil-Over as My Therapists and Nurses Gave-Up in Exasperation. I was Livid with Life, the Universe, and Everything, and Cursed God with Self-Destructive Intentions and Exacerbations. At Midnight, My Troubled-Sleep Rudely Punctuated the Loud Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Imagine There's No Stroke Machine as it Clicked Like Techno-Disco on Steroids for Fifteen-Minutes. I Tried Practicing Troublesome Words with Relentlessness as if W. Clement Stone exclaimed, "Repetition!! Repetition!! Repetition!! And ACTION!!" Morning was Broken as an Echocardiogram with Faint-Assurance as the Beautiful Discharge-Nurse Nearly Caused My Own Discharge!! The Cute, Smart, and Petite Doctor Cautioned That my Relatively Mild Stroke was Worthy of an Oval-Office Intern (Just Kidding). I Wish I Could Talk Properly and Flirtatiously with Angelic-Nurses and a Climactic Chorus of Concupiscence!! It Might've Been!! The Taxi Finally Brought the Twenty-Four Hours of Life-Changing Drama to a Close Which Will Never Be the Same Again (May 14).

    My 36 hours of acute-crisis, seemed to be a stroke, yet after a good-night's rest and vocabulary exercise (May 15), I seemed to be much improved, and my talking seemed borderline miraculous, yet I suspected that I might've been poisoned in some way. The night before my stroke, my mailbox contained my long awaited full-face respirator-mask, and I opened it around Ten PM, and tried it approximately ten minutes later, with a tight-fit and full-respiration, for around five minutes, before removing the mask. The box was completely covered by packaging-tape, with no cardboard showing whatsoever. By late morning, I exhibited severe speech difficulties indicative of a moderate stroke. What if I was poisoned, possibly by the contents of the mask and box?? The mask was from China. Or, what if there were some other explanation?? What if a CT-SCAN and MRI might've revealed something much more sinister than a mild stroke or some nasty poison (as bad as that might be)?? What if my brain was full of computer chips and/or nanobots and/or alien implants?? I never know who to tell about this sort of thing, but I suspect various agencies know what ails me in meticulous detail, regardless of whether they are good or bad. I experience ringing in the ears, a strange hernia, possibly toxic fluids, and/or neurotoxins, including episodes of one eye out of alignment for a couple of minutes, streaming white-lights of a supernatural nature. I might have a progressively worse neurological condition. Agencies know how to make one stupid, crazy, and dead, seemingly resulting in natural causes. Take a long hard look at the CT-SCAN and MRI (for starters). Sherry Shriner constantly spoke of being poisoned, with frequent coughing, and a heart condition (and I think she mentioned back-pain). Perhaps there is some sort of a soul-scalping phenomenon, with Organic, Electronic, and Supernatural Components. COVID-19 might be the least of our worries. This might be just the beginning of our sorrows.
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    Planet of the Apes!! Monkey Lockdown!! Everyone and Everything seems to be getting Nastier and Crazier as People become Fast and Furious!! The Escalation and Elevation are Invigorating!! Sorry for the Cathartic-Posting!! My Hamstrung-Misery is Becoming Much Worse, and No One Seems to Give a Damn!! Your Turn??
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    JesterTerrestrial wrote:Greetings to the forum members and all.  I have been away for some time and thought I would post a quick update to let you know that we have not given up that the real ones are here in the flesh that the living souls have spilled their blood over their intent to bring forth heaven on earth. There has been a lot of errors in the new age community and a lot of damage was caused from the censorship clearly still being paid for to this very day. ITS A LONG ROAD TO INFINITY!!! Hot  Enjoy the trip. lol!

    The main point is that the life is in the blood to make atonement for your sins. Royal proclamations to the ownership of this earth have been published and recorded into the aether sealed in blood. The Vatican stole your soul print at birth and we have reclaimed the kingdom with the spiritual currency of the 144 000 living souls who are here on the surface of the earth in the flesh. THIS IS MY WORLD!!! IT BELONGS TO THE 144 000 LIVING SOULS!!! Candle in the Wind

    It is literally hell on earth as the psychopaths continue to ignore the intellegence of the devine order of creation as to the truth of reality. Many have lied spreading false information to try and destroy humanity but just in case you missed the memo we have not given up. If you are reading this message there is still hope for a golden age of life inside of this firmament enclosed flat earth plain. THE HOLY GRAIL IS REAL!!! Hadriel

    EVERY COMPASS ON EARTH IS POINTING TO THE HOLY GRAIL!!!

    MICHAEL TOLDNES THE MURLHINE OF AVALON IN THE FLESH!!!

    Anyway hopefully everyone is doing well in the land of the dead. Some day soon the world will catch up on reality and the old world order of tyranny will be destroyed once and for all. There has been a great deal of progress in the back ground where we have literally been pushing the elements of creation to wake up the lost souls before they expire of old age or stupidity. Good luck  The Winner

    Brook
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Good to see you posting, Jester!! Interesting times, eh?? Eventually, the mainstream will probably learn all they can about Project Avalon and The Mists of Avalon, but it might be too late. We might not even be able to keep up with the craziness. I'm trying to back-off and watch the show. This might be a bad attitude, but I'm majorly burned-out and over the hill. BTW, who do you work for??
    JesterTerrestrial wrote:I came back because its no soul left behind. Eternal life is your birthright and we are trying to find the living souls. The truth leads to the manipulative lies that infested the avalon forums and the forces of evil that have tried to mislead humanity with the new age bullshit. We are not supposed to get old and die. We are supposed to be drinking from the living waters of the holy grail as was explained on many videos and blog posts in the last few years. Censorship and mental retardation are much of the problem.

    I work for the black hole sun lucifer the goddess of the earth. The white hole sun is jesus and it is the light of the world. Everyone's intentions are recorded by the white hole sun and placed through the hole at the center of the earth where the green astral light the aroura borealis is shooting out. The white sun is masculine (jesus) the black sun is feminine (lucifer). One side of a light hole is a black hole on loop and we are already in it so people had better pay attention, obviously they do not. We never give up. Get to my channel for truth immediately. MURLHINE  The Winner

    You wanted to gain a witness and stand in truth with your brethren

    JT
    WE ARE TRYING TO ACTUALLY SAVE YOU!!!
    Forgive my contextual superimposition. It's mostly a study for me alone (but others are welcome), regarding strange bedfellows (or something to that effect). Ultimately, it might cause more harm than good, but when there is an information overload without things being neat, tidy, prim, and proper, how does the human mind respond and/or react?? This might rank right up there with CIA mind-control experiments!! Someone might write a dissertation on my Project Avalon and Mists of Avalon threads, regarding strange yet plausible concepts in a Jackson Pollock Potpourri!! An insane genius might be driven even more insane while attempting to master my puzzle!! Q was probably easy compared with this!! Researchers Beware!! BTW, what was the relationship (if any) between Arthur C. Clarke, Stanley Kubrick, Howard Fast, and George Zebrowski?? This is just a fishing expedition, but I have a 'burning in my bosom' regarding what I think might've transpired. You Hollywood types might wish to do a TV or Internet Series based upon every word of the book 2001: A Space Odyssey. Just a Thought. I came very close to being struck by a Rattlesnake when I was probably 3 or 4 years old. I recently conversed with someone who spoke of being close to being struck by a Copperhead (as a child). They spoke of three close brushes with death. What Would Peter Janney say?? You have no idea who I think I might've met (but I don't want to talk about it). I don't know how to bring this stuff into focus so I might somehow keep doing what I'm doing without making a big deal about it. I probably need to give myself a 'timeout' during 2022. The world might be quite different in 2023. BTW, I read The Spear of Destiny when it was first published. This was around the time I lost my way in more ways than I could've imagined. If my tripe is lost and forgotten, so be it. That might be just as well. I don't think my stuff is profound, trailblazing, or earthshattering, but what it vaguely points to might reveal 'The Biggest Secret'. I knew that a couple of Individuals of Interest knew, but they were pretty 'tight-lipped'. I suspect I'll just wallow in possibilities as I descend into some sort of insanity (as I continue to be 'messed with'). I'm more miserable and hamstrung than you can imagine. Some of you need to lose your 'Arrogant Smugness'. What Goes Around, Comes Around. Karmic-Debt is a Bltch.




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    For several years, I've been thinking of Steven Spielberg's first movie Duel (1971) as a Parable of Humanity v Evil-Empire. The car-driver's name is similar to mine, so I've tended to make it personal. Notice the name in the frame (full-screen) at exactly 121:05. David ****man. When I watched the science-fiction movie Paul, I noticed a scene wherein Duel was playing in a theater!! I remember a 1974 sermon with a parable by Morris Venden (one of my favorite preachers), titled The Diesel Truck Parable!! Is all of the above coincidental?? Morris Venden preached another parable, titled Building Under Construction, but I can't find a recording or transcript. It might be in one of the videos I've been recently posting, but in a nutshell, it describes the conflict over building a building (as a fortress against Satan and the World). No one can agree on the plans or actual construction methods, so the building doesn't get properly built (as a fortress against the approaching enemy). The punchline is "What No One Realized, Is That the Enemy Had Already Attacked". 'RA' said he was familiar with this parable. Is It Time for Me To "GET OUT OF DODGE"?? What Would David Mann Do?? Don't take this post too seriously. It's mostly an addition to my conceptual laboratory. What if the totality of the madness is ultimately a no-win situation?? What if we can't win (long-term)?? Do we exist in a Galactic-Vietnam in Perpetuity?? Consider The Report from Iron Mountain. Keep thinking in terms of a Mega-System which governs Prison-Planets in Rebellion. I know that sounds ominous, but what if this hypothetical concept is at least somewhat actual?? Perhaps the Judeo-Christian mind tends toward concise and cataclysmic beginnings and endings (such as Genesis and Revelation). What if satisfactory long-term resolutions are fleeting and illusive?? How do we know the Big-Picture Truth in a Proper-Context?? What if we are NOT Supposed to Know?? What if Ignorance is Bliss and Virtue?? What if there is a lot of pragmatic truth to reading The Seattle Times, The New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal interspersed with Exercise in Nature?? What if Solving the Whole-Enchilada is NOT Desirable in This Present Madness?? I'm mostly hinting at things I know little about. After all, I'm just a Completely Ignorant Fool. Ignorance is Bliss and Virtue. Should I Love Big Brother and Mother?? What if my long-term participation in Project Avalon and The Mists of Avalon are somehow similar to David Bowman interacting with HAL 9000?? Consider watching 2001: A Space Odyssey (muted) while listening to the full audiobook of the same title!! That's my plan for the next day or two!! I'm a bit different (especially when I'm hamstrung and miserable). I'm NOT kidding or bluffing. This is NOT a drill. This is the Real-Deal. This is a Recording. Are You Recording??



    DAVID ****MAN @1:21:05 in 1971!!
    TIME TO GET OUT OF DODGE??!!

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    Probably the less said the better regarding the twentieth anniversary of 9/11. Still, one should probably appreciate the difference between cover-stories and real-stories. There is probably an appropriate time and place for both. 'RA' told me, "9/11 was done to prevent something much worse." Honest. I'm leaning toward Daily Reading The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal combined with Daily Exercise in Nature as a Pragmatic Middle-Way. Consider these two papers (online and hardcopy) on September 11, 2021. Then, consider taking a long-walk in nature to honor this sad anniversary. Enough Said.


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    ✅INGREDIENTS TO VACCINES -  You CANNOT make an educated decision without being educated.


    Here are just SOME vaccine ingredients.
    These are being INJECTED into your kids;

    ◾Formaldehyde/Formalin - Highly toxic systematic poison and carcinogen.
    ◾Betapropiolactone - Toxic chemical and carcinogen. May cause death/permanant injury after very short exposure to small quantities. Corrosive chemical.
    ◾Hexadecyltrimethylammonium bromide - May cause damage to the liver, cardiovascular system, and central nervous system. May cause reproductive effects and birth defects.
    ◾Aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, and aluminum salts - Neurotoxin. Carries risk for long term brain inflammation/swelling, neurological disorders, autoimmune disease, Alzheimer's, dementia, and autism. It penetrates the brain where it persists indefinitely.
    ◾Thimerosal (mercury) - Neurotoxin. Induces cellular damage, reduces oxidation-reduction activity, cellular degeneration, and cell death. Linked to neurological disorders, Alzheimer's, dementia, and autism.
    ◾Polysorbate 80 & 20 - Trespasses the Blood-Brain Barrier and carries with it aluminum, thimerosal, and viruses; allowing it to enter the brain.
    ◾Glutaraldehyde - Toxic chemical used as a disinfectant for heat sensitive medical equipment.
    ◾Fetal Bovine Serum - Harvested from bovine (cow) fetuses taken from pregnant cows before slaughter.
    ◾Human Diploid Fibroblast Cells - aborted fetal cells. Foreign DNA has the ability to interact with our own.
    ◾African Green Monkey Kidney Cells - Can carry the SV-40 cancer-causing virus that has already tainted about 30 million Americans.
    ◾Acetone - Can cause kidney, liver, and nerve damage.
    ◾E.Coli - Yes, you read that right.
    ◾DNA from porcine (pig) Circovirus type-1
    ◾Human embryonic lung cell cultures (from aborted fetuses)


    ✳You can view all of these ingredients on the CDCs website. I encourage everyone to do their own research. Look up the MSDS on these chemicals. Read the thousands of peer reviewed studies that have evaluated the biological consequences these chemicals can have on the body, especially when being injected.

    ✳Fact check vaccine ingredients here:
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    Consider The Lone Gunman pilot-episode which aired several months prior to 9/11/01. Watch the whole-episode but notice 00:00:00 to 00:06:00 and 00:18:00 to 00:19:00 and 00:36:00 to 00:43:00. What Would Huma Say?? What Would Ashera Say?? What Would Evita Say?? What Would Eva Del Harlow Say?? What Would Lee Harvey Oswald Say?? What Would the Big-Guy Say?? Notice Thomas's girlfriend in The Event. I try to be discrete and disjointed as I play crazy. I'm miserable and hamstrung but I am NOT crazy. I'm not sure what I'm attempting to prove (if anything). I'm probably friend and foe to all-sides (which might ultimately make me more dangerous than I appear or deserve to be). That's All I'm Going to Say. Now I Go Incognito.

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    THEeXchanger wrote:
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    but, how do we prove it ???
    orthodoxymoron wrote:
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    Thank-you, Morpheus. Did you make this post just a few minutes after seeing my 'On the Beach' submarine post on the USSS thread?? Probably not, but even if you did, it's interesting that you watched those 3 submarine movies prior to my post. I've conversed with several submarine captains, and many submariners, but I don't want to talk about it. Anyway, I'm trying hard to not post, but 9/11 prompted me to make a few more posts. I suspect my mind got deliberately and maliciously messed-with throughout adulthood, but now it's exponentially worse. I'm also suspecting that most everyone is in the process of getting their minds messed-with as they get initiated into neurotoxins, nanobots, vaccinations, 5G, 6G, mainframes, satellites, chip-implants, and demonic-possession. Finally, I'm suspecting an ancient to modern universal-church supercomputer-matrix artificial-intelligence military-industrial complex from the War in Heaven to the New World Order. I need to stop. I think I crossed the line thousands, millions, or billions of years ago, but what do I know?? I hope you get your ship back (shown above) and avoid star-wars, enslavement, and extermination. It's a Jungle Out There. The Truth is Out There. Namaste and Godspeed.
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    mudra wrote:Oxy could it be you often searched for the Truth outside of you and rarely looked for the Truth within you ? Could it be that outside truth was painfully forced upon you ? Could it be the many voices you heard from the outside world became so loud that you no longer dared listen to the silent whispers within ? Have you noticed that the word Silent is embedded in the word Listen Have you forgotten how to  search for the Divine within you ? Do you know that there it dwells, that it is always within you ? The moment you realise the alienation that you experience is the experience of being a stranger to the I am that you are, this alone brings you liberation, makes you free.
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you for the music and kind words, mudra. I have listened, researched, and learned (inside and outside, openly and honestly, progressively and regressively, in silence and in sermons). I think I got it somewhere around puberty, but I got tired of all the bullshit (decade after decade). The awake and aware are mostly just the opposite. I'll probably challenge the predominant bullshit for all eternity, regardless of whether anyone likes it or not. I recently combed my hair after a shower, put the comb in my pants-pocket, and when I awoke in the morning I discovered my unbreakable-comb cleanly broken in two (presumably by unseen hands). That couldn't have been a good-thing. I've seen ample evidence of a cosmic struggle which will probably continue for all eternity, but hope springs eternal.
    mudra wrote:Its a hide and seek game Oxy. The good news is sooner or later we are all meant to find our way out of the maze. It won't always be suffering and misery for you. When the time is ripe everything will fall into place and peace will be restored within your realm. Thats a certainty. Although my words do not reach you now, there will come a moment in Life where you will Re member.
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you, mudra. I suspect the ancient to modern New World Order is Purgatory Incorporated (with freedom and confusion) with Humanity ruling Humanity (for thousands of years) perhaps since the War in Heaven with God as an Absentee-Landlord and/or Emissary-Warden. This Present Madness might transition into Heaven with Absolute-Obedience to an Absolute-Authority for an undisclosed time-period. The cycle might repeat over and over and over again (possibly for all-eternity). This is merely a hypothesis. I know I don't know. Hope Springs Eternal. Have Faith.

    Morpheus wrote:OXY, I think I did. I always check your posts. Had to let you know that we think alike sometimes. Same with your Superman thing. Last two years, I've been thinking we need several supermen. Here is the missing link between you and Mudra. The keyword is, "Silent." And what do these Navy guys spend a lot of time doing? They, "Listen."


    Believe this or not, but this is the first movie I have seen with Clark Gable in it. John Wayne was my hero. And it looks like I didn't watch all of his movies either. I had too many resposibilities to be watching TV.
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    I am somewhat surprised no one has caught my SOB's comment. I'll make it easy for ya. "Souls on board." It's in the Jim video. Another thing no one seem to catch was my last post concerning the message of that date from the Four Winds site. Asking you, that when they show up, you are to head for a beam of light for your rescue. The message seemed to be 100% true till we get to the beaming part. Sounds like a trap to me. And if Hatton is at the helm of this operation, I'll pass. The reason... he's a tall Grey. He is not Christ Michael. This tall Grey is posing as God. Be forewarned and use your discernment so you don't end up in an alien lunchbox or meat locker. The question that pops up in my mind is, "What does God need with a Starship? Wasn't there a Star Trek episode asking the same thing?

    Last week was not a good week as far as Galactic issues go. Despite some of the great progress being reported as of late. This video below seems to resonate with me. The writing is on the wall. Who can you trust? I have waited for 43 years for these events to take place. They are right at our doorstep. Please take some time and work through this video. Hit the pause button and reflect internally with your soul and sort out what is for your highest good. This is not a love and light video in the normal sense. It's not sugar-coated. Burgundia use to post up about the Cosmic Agency. I also sense a rift between Cosmic Agency and Elena. Elena is pro-Galactic Federation and Cosmic Agency, not so much. The GF saved Elena and I think that is the reason why. I do value both.

    From my perch, this is one huge pile of stuff. The GF has an agenda and acts as though they are in charge of us human meat sacks. What is their "RESET" program all about? Who gave them the authority to say we can just start all over. Meaning we can wipe out humanity and start again. Without any of us having a say in the matter. Who's playing God now? Another thing that gets lost in this is Gaia. She sent a distress call out almost 90 years ago and now you are considering killing her offspring? What went wrong here?

    This new enlightened era was to begin in 2018. When it didn't happen, we should have realized then that we were on our own. But no. The bad news is that humanity is failing the test. I mean come on! Look at it. All of my sources and outside of the planet are thinking about throwing in the towel. It was a repeated theme. I was shocked to hear of this across my board of contacts. Do you know who else has a good bead on this? OXY. For a while now I might add.

    No matter what, we have to face the ugly truth. We might have to go down in a blaze of glory. What we do here is going to determine the state of this galaxy in the future. The odds are against us. We are at war! I hate reminding everybody. The enemy is not just an army. It is a combination of several evil EMPIRES! These Empires are not here to just kill you and the Planet. They also want to own your soul. If they achieve that, your soul will be lost for eternity. Those are the basic choices. Live or die. Whatever you decide will be on record for eternity. We are destined to face these choices and again, it's already here on our doorstep. Choose wisely.

    Within the next few weeks, Lionhawk is going to prepare for what lays before him in service to all-that-is. He will be going on the warpath. Sharpen my swords, just in case. Making a stand in my neck of the woods. Please get prepared the best way that you can. Be supportive in your neighborhood. Help our elders. Stock up some food and supplies. I hope I am saying this for nothing. But I have never had this sense of urgency till recently. And it is not a fleeting one. It also might signals that I am getting from the synchronicity field as I also found this video right after a long discussion with my neighbor about these issues I have spoken of here. As OXY would say, "over and over and over."


    orthodoxymoron wrote:Morpheus,

    I'll review some of the videos and posts you've provided recently but I might not comment on them. I tend to do things that way, especially now. Tangentially, what if most everything is deceptive in one way or another?? This might include The Old Testament, The New Testament, Catholicism, Protestantism, New-Age, Awake and Aware, Reptilians, Greys, Gates, Fauci, Trump, Biden, the Agencies International, Universities, Galactic-Factions, Sherry Shriner, Joseph Smith, Ellen White, Albert Schweitzer, Project Avalon, Project Camelot, This Very Website, and Yours Truly. I might privately research random books and videos. I might silently research my own notes. I might simply read The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal combined with Exercise in Nature. What if The New York Times and The New Testament should be studied 8 hours a day (including weekends)?? What if no matter how one puts things together, its always ultimately wrong?? What if one should be a Chronic-Contrarian, regardless of whether anyone likes it or not?? What if the BMOC and/or BWOC are fronts for Ancient and/or Modern Artificial-Intelligence?? What if honest and thorough research inevitably yields unyielding-despair?? My perception is that somebody and/or something got me in the worst sort of way, but what do I know?? I mostly know I don't know. What if one exclusively and exhaustively researched nearly all 20th century conspiracy-theories?? What if literally millions of Agents and Jesuits study this stuff 24/7?? If so, how can any of us think we have things all figured-out?? I need to retire to some semblance of sanity, whether or not I am entitled to the TRUTH. Why should I expect to be one of the Chosen-Few with Eschatological Manifest-Destiny?? Consider watching the corny, low-budget 1978 miniseries, The Word, regarding deception of biblical-proportions. In 2010: The Year We Made Contact I suggested to 'RA' that mankind had been easy to deceive. 'RA' quickly responded, "Very Easy." Separately, 'RA' told me, "I've Always Remained One Step Ahead of Humanity." Honest. The Lie is Different at Every Level. Namaste and Godspeed.

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    orthodoxymoron wrote:You might find this 2017 video interesting (especially between the 9&11 minute marks). Notice what Bill and Warren say about research, diseases, vaccines, and four-years (2017 to 2021). Alex Jones (love him or hate him) has apparently done a huge amount of research (with the memory of an elephant). Perhaps secular-research should dominate sacred-research (to avoid the mumbo-jumbo factor). The religiously-devoted seem to reside in a la-la land which often militates against neutral, honest, and thorough research. Perhaps the top one-percent of the top one-percent are ruled and directed by the God and/or Goddess of This World (who are mostly not nice, especially toward the general-public). Think on These Things.






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    Deliver me, O LORD, from the evil man: preserve me from the violent man; Which imagine mischiefs in their heart; continually are they gathered together for war. They have sharpened their tongues like a serpent; adders' poison is under their lips. Selah. Keep me, O LORD, from the hands of the wicked; preserve me from the violent man; who have purposed to overthrow my goings. The proud have hid a snare for me, and cords; they have spread a net by the wayside*; they have set gins for me. Selah. I said unto the LORD, Thou art my God: hear the voice of my supplications, O LORD. O GOD the Lord, the strength of my salvation, thou hast covered my head in the day of battle. Grant not, O LORD, the desires of the wicked: further not his wicked device; lest they exalt themselves. Selah. As for the head of those that compass me about, let the mischief of their own lips cover them. Let burning coals fall upon them: let them be cast into the fire; into deep pits, that they rise not up again. Let not an evil speaker be established in the earth: evil shall hunt the violent man to overthrow him. I know that the LORD will maintain the cause of the afflicted, and the right of the poor. Surely the righteous shall give thanks unto thy name: the upright shall dwell in thy presence.

    LORD, I cry unto thee: make haste unto me; give ear unto my voice, when I cry unto thee. Let my prayer be set forth before thee as incense; and the lifting up of my hands as the evening sacrifice. Set a watch, O LORD, before my mouth; keep the door of my lips. Incline not my heart to any evil thing, to practise wicked works with men that work iniquity: and let me not eat of their dainties. Let the righteous smite me; it shall be a kindness: and let him reprove me; it shall be an excellent oil, which shall not break my head: for yet my prayer also shall be in their calamities. When their judges are overthrown in stony places, they shall hear my words; for they are sweet. Our bones are scattered at the grave's mouth, as when one cutteth and cleaveth wood upon the earth. But mine eyes are unto thee, O GOD the Lord: in thee is my trust; leave not my soul destitute. Keep me from the snares which they have laid for me, and the gins of the workers of iniquity. Let the wicked fall into their own nets, whilst that I withal escape.

    I cried unto the LORD with my voice; with my voice unto the LORD did I make my supplication. I poured out my complaint before him; I shewed before him my trouble. When my spirit was overwhelmed within me, then thou knewest my path. In the way wherein I walked have they privily laid a snare for me. I looked on my right hand, and beheld, but there was no man that would know me: refuge failed me; no man cared for my soul. I cried unto thee, O LORD: I said, Thou art my refuge and my portion in the land of the living. Attend unto my cry; for I am brought very low: deliver me from my persecutors; for they are stronger than I. Bring my soul out of prison, that I may praise thy name: the righteous shall compass me about; for thou shalt deal bountifully with me.

    Hear my prayer, O LORD, give ear to my supplications: in thy faithfulness answer me, and in thy righteousness. And enter not into judgment with thy servant: for in thy sight shall no man living be justified. For the enemy hath persecuted my soul; he hath smitten my life down to the ground; he hath made me to dwell in darkness, as those that have been long dead. Therefore is my spirit overwhelmed within me; my heart within me is desolate. I remember the days of old; I meditate on all thy works; I muse on the work of thy hands. I stretch forth my hands unto thee: my soul thirsteth after thee, as a thirsty land. Selah. Hear me speedily, O LORD: my spirit faileth: hide not thy face from me, lest I be like unto them that go down into the pit. Cause me to hear thy lovingkindness in the morning; for in thee do I trust: cause me to know the way wherein I should walk; for I lift up my soul unto thee. Deliver me, O LORD, from mine enemies: I flee unto thee to hide me. Teach me to do thy will; for thou art my God: thy spirit is good; lead me into the land of uprightness. Quicken me, O LORD, for thy name's sake: for thy righteousness' sake bring my soul out of trouble. And of thy mercy cut off mine enemies, and destroy all them that afflict my soul: for I am thy servant.

    Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight: My goodness, and my fortress; my high tower, and my deliverer; my shield, and he in whom I trust; who subdueth my people under me. LORD, what is man, that thou takest knowledge of him! or the son of man, that thou makest account of him! Man is like to vanity: his days are as a shadow that passeth away. Bow thy heavens, O LORD, and come down: touch the mountains, and they shall smoke. Cast forth lightning, and scatter them: shoot out thine arrows, and destroy them. Send thine hand from above; rid me, and deliver me out of great waters, from the hand of strange children; Whose mouth speaketh vanity, and their right hand is a right hand of falsehood. I will sing a new song unto thee, O God: upon a psaltery and an instrument of ten strings will I sing praises unto thee. It is he that giveth salvation unto kings: who delivereth David his servant from the hurtful sword. Rid me, and deliver me from the hand of strange children, whose mouth speaketh vanity, and their right hand is a right hand of falsehood: That our sons may be as plants grown up in their youth; that our daughters may be as corner stones, polished after the similitude of a palace: That our garners may be full, affording all manner of store*: that our sheep may bring forth thousands and ten thousands in our streets: That our oxen may be strong to labour; that there be no breaking in, nor going out; that there be no complaining in our streets. Happy is that people, that is in such a case: yea, happy is that people, whose God is the LORD.

    I will extol thee, my God, O king; and I will bless thy name for ever and ever. Every day will I bless thee; and I will praise thy name for ever and ever. Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised; and his greatness is unsearchable. One generation shall praise thy works to another, and shall declare thy mighty acts. I will speak of the glorious honour of thy majesty, and of thy wondrous works. And men shall speak of the might of thy terrible acts: and I will declare thy greatness. They shall abundantly utter the memory of thy great goodness, and shall sing of thy righteousness. The LORD is gracious, and full of compassion; slow to anger, and of great mercy. The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works. All thy works shall praise thee, O LORD; and thy saints shall bless thee. They shall speak of the glory of thy kingdom, and talk of thy power; To make known to the sons of men his mighty acts, and the glorious majesty of his kingdom. Thy kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and thy dominion endureth throughout all generations. The LORD upholdeth all that fall, and raiseth up all those that be bowed down. The eyes of all wait upon thee; and thou givest them their meat in due season. Thou openest thine hand, and satisfiest the desire of every living thing. The LORD is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works. The LORD is nigh unto all them that call upon him, to all that call upon him in truth. He will fulfil the desire of them that fear him: he also will hear their cry, and will save them. The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy. My mouth shall speak the praise of the LORD: and let all flesh bless his holy name for ever and ever.

    Praise ye the LORD. Praise the LORD, O my soul. While I live will I praise the LORD: I will sing praises unto my God while I have any being. Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. Happy is he that hath the God of Jacob for his help, whose hope is in the LORD his God: Which made heaven, and earth, the sea, and all that therein is: which keepeth truth for ever: Which executeth judgment for the oppressed: which giveth food to the hungry. The LORD looseth the prisoners: The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind: the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down: the LORD loveth the righteous: The LORD preserveth the strangers; he relieveth the fatherless and widow: but the way of the wicked he turneth upside down. The LORD shall reign for ever, even thy God, O Zion, unto all generations. Praise ye the LORD.

    Praise ye the LORD: for it is good to sing praises unto our God; for it is pleasant; and praise is comely. The LORD doth build up Jerusalem: he gathereth together the outcasts of Israel. He healeth the broken in heart, and bindeth up their wounds. He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names. Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite. The LORD lifteth up the meek: he casteth the wicked down to the ground. Sing unto the LORD with thanksgiving; sing praise upon the harp unto our God: Who covereth the heaven with clouds, who prepareth rain for the earth, who maketh grass to grow upon the mountains. He giveth to the beast his food, and to the young ravens which cry. He delighteth not in the strength of the horse: he taketh not pleasure in the legs of a man. The LORD taketh pleasure in them that fear him, in those that hope in his mercy. Praise the LORD, O Jerusalem; praise thy God, O Zion. For he hath strengthened the bars of thy gates; he hath blessed thy children within thee. He maketh peace in thy borders, and filleth thee with the finest of the wheat. He sendeth forth his commandment upon earth: his word runneth very swiftly. He giveth snow like wool: he scattereth the hoarfrost like ashes. He casteth forth his ice like morsels: who can stand before his cold? He sendeth out his word, and melteth them: he causeth his wind to blow, and the waters flow. He sheweth his word* unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel. He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD.

    Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights. Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts. Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light. Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens. Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created. He hath also stablished them for ever and ever: he hath made a decree which shall not pass. Praise the LORD from the earth, ye dragons, and all deeps: Fire, and hail; snow, and vapour; stormy wind fulfilling his word: Mountains, and all hills; fruitful trees, and all cedars: Beasts, and all cattle; creeping things, and flying fowl: Kings of the earth, and all people; princes, and all judges of the earth: Both young men, and maidens; old men, and children: Let them praise the name of the LORD: for his name alone is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven. He also exalteth the horn of his people, the praise of all his saints; even of the children of Israel, a people near unto him. Praise ye the LORD.

    Praise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise in the congregation of saints. Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp. For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation. Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds. Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand; To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.

    Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power. Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness. Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp. Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs. Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals. Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.

    The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem. Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity. What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun? One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever. The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose. The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits. All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again. All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing. The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after. I the Preacher was king over Israel in Jerusalem. And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven: this sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith. I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit. That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered. I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all they that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge. And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit. For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

    I said in mine heart, Go to now, I will prove thee with mirth, therefore enjoy pleasure: and, behold, this also is vanity. I said of laughter, It is mad: and of mirth, What doeth it? I sought in mine heart to give myself unto wine, yet acquainting mine heart with wisdom; and to lay hold on folly, till I might see what was that good for the sons of men, which they should do under the heaven all the days of their life. I made me great works; I builded me houses; I planted me vineyards: I made me gardens and orchards, and I planted trees in them of all kind of fruits: I made me pools of water, to water therewith the wood that bringeth forth trees: I got me servants and maidens, and had servants born in my house; also I had great possessions of great and small cattle above all that were in Jerusalem before me: I gathered me also silver and gold, and the peculiar treasure of kings and of the provinces: I gat me men singers and women singers, and the delights of the sons of men, as musical instruments*, and that of all sorts. So I was great, and increased more than all that were before me in Jerusalem: also my wisdom remained with me. And whatsoever mine eyes desired I kept not from them, I withheld not my heart from any joy; for my heart rejoiced in all my labour: and this was my portion of all my labour. Then I looked on all the works that my hands had wrought, and on the labour that I had laboured to do: and, behold, all was vanity and vexation of spirit, and there was no profit under the sun. And I turned myself to behold wisdom, and madness, and folly: for what can the man do that cometh after the king? even that which hath been already done. Then I saw that wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness. The wise man's eyes are in his head; but the fool walketh in darkness: and I myself perceived also that one event happeneth to them all. Then said I in my heart, As it happeneth to the fool, so it happeneth even to me; and why was I then more wise? Then I said in my heart, that this also is vanity. For there is no remembrance of the wise more than of the fool for ever; seeing that which now is in the days to come shall all be forgotten. And how dieth the wise man? as the fool. Therefore I hated life; because the work that is wrought under the sun is grievous unto me: for all is vanity and vexation of spirit. Yea, I hated all my labour which I had taken under the sun: because I should leave it unto the man that shall be after me. And who knoweth whether he shall be a wise man or a fool? yet shall he have rule over all my labour wherein I have laboured, and wherein I have shewed myself wise under the sun. This is also vanity. Therefore I went about to cause my heart to despair of all the labour which I took under the sun. For there is a man whose labour is in wisdom, and in knowledge, and in equity; yet to a man that hath not laboured therein shall he leave it for his portion. This also is vanity and a great evil. For what hath man of all his labour, and of the vexation of his heart, wherein he hath laboured under the sun? For all his days are sorrows, and his travail grief; yea, his heart taketh not rest in the night. This is also vanity. There is nothing better for a man, than that he should eat and drink, and that he should make his soul enjoy good in his labour. This also I saw, that it was from the hand of God. For who can eat, or who else can hasten hereunto, more than I? For God giveth to a man that is good in his sight wisdom, and knowledge, and joy: but to the sinner he giveth travail, to gather and to heap up, that he may give to him that is good before God. This also is vanity and vexation of spirit.

    To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace. What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth? I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it. He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end. I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life. And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God. I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past. And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there. I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work. I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts. For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?

    So I returned, and considered all the oppressions that are done under the sun: and behold the tears of such as were oppressed, and they had no comforter; and on the side of their oppressors there was power; but they had no comforter. Wherefore I praised the dead which are already dead more than the living which are yet alive. Yea, better is he than both they, which hath not yet been, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun. Again, I considered all travail, and every right work, that for this a man is envied of his neighbour. This is also vanity and vexation of spirit. The fool foldeth his hands together, and eateth his own flesh. Better is an handful with quietness, than both the hands full with travail and vexation of spirit. Then I returned, and I saw vanity under the sun. There is one alone, and there is not a second; yea, he hath neither child nor brother: yet is there no end of all his labour; neither is his eye satisfied with riches; neither saith he, For whom do I labour, and bereave my soul of good? This is also vanity, yea, it is a sore travail. Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour. For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him up. Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone? And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken. Better is a poor and a wise child than an old and foolish king, who will no more be admonished. For out of prison* he cometh to reign; whereas also he that is born in his kingdom becometh poor. I considered all the living which walk under the sun, with the second child that shall stand up in his stead. There is no end of all the people, even of all that have been before them: they also that come after shall not rejoice in him. Surely this also is vanity and vexation of spirit.

    Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil. Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few. For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words. When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed. Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and not pay. Suffer not thy mouth to cause thy flesh to sin; neither say thou before the angel, that it was an error: wherefore should God be angry at thy voice, and destroy the work of thine hands? For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God. If thou seest the oppression of the poor, and violent perverting of judgment and justice in a province, marvel not at the matter: for he that is higher than the highest regardeth; and there be higher than they. Moreover the profit of the earth is for all: the king himself is served by the field. He that loveth silver shall not be satisfied with silver; nor he that loveth abundance with increase: this is also vanity. When goods increase, they are increased that eat them: and what good is there to the owners thereof, saving the beholding* of them with their eyes? The sleep of a labouring man is sweet, whether he eat little or much: but the abundance of the rich will not suffer him to sleep. There is a sore evil which I have seen under the sun, namely, riches kept for the owners thereof to their hurt. But those riches perish by evil travail: and he begetteth a son, and there is nothing in his hand. As he came forth of his mother's womb, naked shall he return to go as he came, and shall take nothing of his labour, which he may carry away in his hand. And this also is a sore evil, that in all points as he came, so shall he go: and what profit hath he that hath laboured for the wind? All his days also he eateth in darkness, and he hath much sorrow and wrath with his sickness. Behold that which I have seen: it is good and comely for one to eat and to drink, and to enjoy the good of all his labour that he taketh under the sun all the days of his life, which God giveth him: for it is his portion. Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this is the gift of God. For he shall not much remember the days of his life; because God answereth him in the joy of his heart.

    There is an evil which I have seen under the sun, and it is common among men: A man to whom God hath given riches, wealth, and honour, so that he wanteth nothing for his soul of all that he desireth, yet God giveth him not power to eat thereof, but a stranger* eateth it: this is vanity, and it is an evil disease. If a man beget an hundred children, and live many years, so that the days of his years be many, and his soul be not filled with good, and also that he have no burial; I say, that an untimely birth is better than he. For he cometh in with vanity, and departeth in darkness, and his name shall be covered with darkness. Moreover he hath not seen the sun, nor known any thing: this hath more rest than the other. Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place? All the labour of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled. For what hath the wise more than the fool? what hath the poor, that knoweth to walk before the living? Better is the sight of the eyes than the wandering of the desire: this is also vanity and vexation of spirit. That which hath been is named* already, and it is known that it is man: neither may he contend with him that is mightier than he. Seeing there be many things that increase vanity, what is man the better? For who knoweth what is good for man in this life, all the days of his vain life which he spendeth as a shadow? for who can tell a man what shall be after him under the sun?

    A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth. It is better to go to the house of mourning, than to go to the house of feasting: for that is the end of all men; and the living will lay it to his heart. Sorrow is better than laughter: for by the sadness of the countenance the heart is made better. The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning; but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth. It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools. For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: this also is vanity. Surely oppression maketh a wise man mad; and a gift destroyeth the heart. Better is the end of a thing than the beginning thereof: and the patient in spirit is better than the proud in spirit. Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry: for anger resteth in the bosom of fools. Say not thou, What is the cause that the former days were better than these? for thou dost not enquire wisely concerning this. Wisdom is good with an inheritance: and by it there is profit to them that see the sun. For wisdom is a defence, and money is a defence: but the excellency of knowledge is, that wisdom giveth life to them that have it. Consider the work of God: for who can make that straight, which he hath made crooked? In the day of prosperity be joyful, but in the day of adversity consider: God also hath set the one over against the other, to the end that man should find nothing after him. All things have I seen in the days of my vanity: there is a just man that perisheth in his righteousness, and there is a wicked man that prolongeth his life in his wickedness. Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself? Be not over much wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time? It is good that thou shouldest take hold of this; yea, also from this withdraw not thine hand: for he that feareth God shall come forth of them all. Wisdom strengtheneth the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city. For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not. Also take no heed unto all words that are spoken; lest thou hear thy servant curse thee: For oftentimes also thine own heart knoweth that thou thyself likewise hast cursed others. All this have I proved by wisdom: I said, I will be wise; but it was far from me. That which is far off, and exceeding deep, who can find it out? I applied mine heart to know, and to search, and to seek out wisdom, and the reason of things, and to know the wickedness of folly, even of foolishness and madness: And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth* God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her. Behold, this have I found, saith the preacher, counting one by one, to find out the account: Which yet my soul seeketh, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found. Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

    Who is as the wise man? and who knoweth the interpretation of a thing? a man's wisdom maketh his face to shine, and the boldness of his face shall be changed. I counsel thee to keep the king's commandment, and that in regard of the oath of God. Be not hasty to go out of his sight: stand not in an evil thing; for he doeth whatsoever pleaseth him. Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou? Whoso keepeth the commandment shall feel no evil thing: and a wise man's heart discerneth both time and judgment. Because to every purpose there is time and judgment, therefore the misery of man is great upon him. For he knoweth not that which shall be: for who can tell him when it shall be? There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it. All this have I seen, and applied my heart unto every work that is done under the sun: there is a time wherein one man ruleth over another to his own hurt. And so I saw the wicked buried, who had come and gone from the place of the holy, and they were forgotten in the city where they had so done: this is also vanity. Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil. Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, which fear before him: But it shall not be well with the wicked, neither shall he prolong his days, which are as a shadow; because he feareth not before God. There is a vanity which is done upon the earth; that there be just men, unto whom it happeneth according to the work of the wicked; again, there be wicked men, to whom it happeneth according to the work of the righteous: I said that this also is vanity. Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun. When I applied mine heart to know wisdom, and to see the business that is done upon the earth: (for also there is that neither day nor night seeth sleep with his eyes:) Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labour to seek it out, yet he shall not find it; yea further; though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it.

    For all this I considered in my heart even to declare all this, that the righteous, and the wise, and their works, are in the hand of God: no man knoweth either love or hatred by all that is before them. All things come alike to all: there is one event to the righteous, and to the wicked; to the good and to the clean, and to the unclean; to him that sacrificeth, and to him that sacrificeth not: as is the good, so is the sinner; and he that sweareth, as he that feareth an oath. This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead. For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion. For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works. Let thy garments be always white; and let thy head lack no ointment. Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun. Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all. For man also knoweth not his time: as the fishes that are taken in an evil net, and as the birds that are caught in the snare; so are the sons of men snared in an evil time, when it falleth suddenly upon them. This wisdom have I seen also under the sun, and it seemed great unto me: There was a little city, and few men within it; and there came a great king against it, and besieged it, and built great bulwarks against it: Now there was found in it a poor wise man, and he by his wisdom delivered the city; yet no man remembered that same poor man. Then said I, Wisdom is better than strength: nevertheless the poor man's wisdom is despised, and his words are not heard. The words of wise men are heard in quiet more than the cry of him that ruleth among fools. Wisdom is better than weapons of war: but one sinner destroyeth much good.

    Dead flies cause the ointment of the apothecary to send forth a stinking savour: so doth a little folly him that is in reputation for wisdom and honour. A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Yea also, when he that is a fool walketh by the way, his wisdom faileth him, and he saith to every one that he is a fool. If the spirit of the ruler rise up against thee, leave not thy place; for yielding pacifieth great offences. There is an evil which I have seen under the sun, as an error which proceedeth from the ruler: Folly is set in great dignity, and the rich sit in low place. I have seen servants upon horses, and princes walking as servants upon the earth. He that diggeth a pit shall fall into it; and whoso breaketh an hedge, a serpent shall bite him. Whoso removeth stones shall be hurt therewith; and he that cleaveth wood shall be endangered thereby. If the iron be blunt, and he do not whet the edge, then must he put to more strength: but wisdom is profitable to direct. Surely the serpent will bite without enchantment; and a babbler is no better. The words of a wise man's mouth are gracious; but the lips of a fool will swallow up himself. The beginning of the words of his mouth is foolishness: and the end of his talk is mischievous madness. A fool also is full of words: a man cannot tell what shall be; and what shall be after him, who can tell him? The labour of the foolish wearieth every one of them, because he knoweth not how to go to the city. Woe to thee, O land, when thy king is a child, and thy princes eat in the morning! Blessed art thou, O land, when thy king is the son of nobles, and thy princes eat in due season, for strength, and not for drunkenness! By much slothfulness the building decayeth; and through idleness of the hands the house droppeth through. A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry*: but money answereth all things. Curse not the king, no not in thy thought; and curse not the rich in thy bedchamber*: for a bird of the air shall carry the voice, and that which hath wings shall tell the matter.

    Cast thy bread upon the waters: for thou shalt find it after many days. Give a portion to seven, and also to eight; for thou knowest not what evil shall be upon the earth. If the clouds be full of rain, they empty themselves upon the earth: and if the tree fall toward the south, or toward the north, in the place where the tree falleth, there it shall be. He that observeth the wind shall not sow; and he that regardeth the clouds shall not reap. As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all. In the morning sow thy seed, and in the evening withhold not thine hand: for thou knowest not whether shall prosper, either this or that, or whether they both shall be alike good. Truly the light is sweet, and a pleasant thing it is for the eyes to behold the sun: But if a man live many years, and rejoice in them all; yet let him remember the days of darkness; for they shall be many. All that cometh is vanity. Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things God will bring thee into judgment. Therefore remove sorrow from thy heart, and put away evil from thy flesh: for childhood and youth are vanity.

    Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them; While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain: In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows be darkened, And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the grinding is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of musick shall be brought low; Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets: Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity. And moreover, because the preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yea, he gave good heed, and sought out, and set in order many proverbs. The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth. The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd. And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh. Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

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    Thank-you, Ashera. It's rare for anyone to comment on 'my' threads. Perhaps we're dealing with BS v BS. We see evil, and we jump on a 'good' bandwagon to battle the evil, and then we find out that the 'good' bandwagon is nearly as bad as the evil we're fighting. What if the Trump Bandwagon ultimately turns out to be almost as bad as the Clinton Bandwagon?? What if Everyone and Everything are Infiltrated and Subverted?? What if Resistance is Futile?? What Would the Borg Queen Say?? 'RA' told me, "Everyone is Bad" and "People Deserve to Die" and "You're Lucky to be Alive" and "I'm Tired of Keeping You Alive" and "I Could Snap My Fingers and You'd be Dead".
    Carol wrote:
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    March 15, 2016

    Secretary Hillary Clinton
    Post Office Box 5256
    New York, NY 10185-5256

    Dear Secretary Clinton:

    In March 1993 billionaire Laurance Rockefeller initiated an extraordinary approach to your husband's administration via the Office of Science and Technology Policy headed by Dr. John Gibbons. A memorandum from Mr. Rockefeller's attorney Henry Diamond dated March 29, 1993 conveyed a request to meet with Gibbons "to discuss the potential availability of government information about unidentified flying objects and extraterrestrial life." Rockefeller, a friend and supporter of you and your husband, wanted to meet with the President and inform him "there is a belief in many quarters that the government has long held classified information regarding UFOs which has not been released and that the failure to do so has brought about unnecessary suspicion and distrust," and that "Many believe that the release of such information on a basis consistent with national security would be a significant gesture which would increase confidence in government."

    Thus began a three-year effort by a notable American to convince your husband to essentially be the "Disclosure President" and end a then 46-year truth embargo on providing the full facts to the American people regarding an extraterrestrial presence engaging the human race. This effort, which included meetings, reports, briefings, a book, draft letters to the President and more, came to be known as the Rockefeller Initiative.

    You were aware of this initiative from the beginning as was a key advisor to the President, John Podesta. You and your husband met with Rockefeller at his Wyoming ranch in August of 1995. Your husband tasked a close friend, Associate Attorney General Webster Hubbell, to look into the UFO issue at the Department of Justice and elsewhere. He tasked John Podesta, his eventual Chief of Staff, to reform and accelerate the document declassification process. You were kept informed of the ongoing initiative and helped draft a letter from Rockefeller to the President. It is notable that John Podesta, the founder and former CEO of the Center for American Progress, in 2002 and 2003 called for the release to the public of all UFO and related documents in government files. In 2004 Governor Bill Richardson, UN Ambassador and Secretary of Energy during your husband's administration, made a similar request for documents pertaining to the events in Roswell, New Mexico during July of 1947.

    These facts are known from news articles, public records and, most importantly, from nearly 1000 pages of correspondence and documents obtained in 2000 by researcher Grant Cameron from the Office of Science and Technology Policy via the Freedom of Information Act. Additional relevant photos were later obtained from the Clinton Presidential Library.

    From March 29, 1993 until the present day no member of the Clinton Administration involved in or privy to the Rockefeller Initiative has ever spoken publicly about it. Besides yourself, this includes President Clinton, Vice President Al Gore, Governor Bill Richardson, Secretary Leon Panetta, Mack McLarty, Webster Hubbell, John Podesta and the late Dr. John Gibbons.

    In April/May of 2013 a mock congressional hearing was conducted at the National Press Club. Included in the 30 hours of testimony before six former members of the U.S. Congress were three hours of testimony on the Rockefeller Initiative. One year later, as your presidential campaign was being set up, the following series of events came about:

    (April 2, 2014) President Clinton appears on Jimmy Kimmel Live and arranges to be asked about aliens.


    (February 13, 2015) Upon leaving his post as advisor to President Obama, John Podesta tweets: "1. Finally, my biggest failure of 2014: Once again not securing the #disclosure of the UFO files. #thetruthisstilloutthere cc: @NYTimesDowd"

    (March 13, 2015) President Obama appears on Jimmy Kimmel Live and arranges to be asked about aliens.

    (September 29, 2015) Two weeks before the first Democratic primary debate referring to your interview with actress Lena Dunham, John Podesta tweets: "Great interview, @lenadunham. But Lena, ask her about aliens next time!! #TheTruthisOutThere  hrc.io/1jusfxk cc: @HillaryClinton"

    (October 6, 2015) President Clinton appears on the Late Show with Stephen Colbert and arranges to be asked about aliens.


    (December 30, 2015) You make extraordinary statements regarding the ET issue to Conway Daily Sun reporter Daymond Steer while campaigning in New Hampshire.

    (February 11, 2016) President Obama appears on the Ellen Show knowing he would be asked about aliens.
    (March 1, 2016) While campaigning in Nevada prior to the Democratic caucus, John Podesta gives an interview to Steve Sebelius of KLAS TV Las Vegas when, among other comments, he confirms your statements to the Conway Daily Sun were serious.

    It would appear there is an unprecedented political subtext pointing to an unstated agenda on the part of your campaign regarding an issue of profound importance. But this agenda remains deliberately obscure with repeated requests from the media regarding the matter ignored.  

    It is your ambition to reach a significant milestone in American history by becoming the first President of the United States who happens to be a woman, or put another way, the 69th female head of state. While this would be an admirable legacy, what the American people need is less legacy and more truth. The people have lost patience with "in loco parentis" government that treats them like children and candidates with long lists of issues they can't discuss because it is not convenient to their campaign or the people "can't handle the truth."

    Because you were introduced to these matters within the context of the White House, because you aspire to the highest office in the nation, you have an extraordinary opportunity and primary obligation to directly and unambiguously address what is easily the most significant issue of this or any other time - an issue with major national security and policy implications.

    Madam Secretary, If you choose to speak truth to power, it is not enough to select those truths which are convenient or safe or self-serving. You must speak the whole truth and nothing but the truth and place your fate in the hands of history.

    Respectfully,

    Stephen Bassett
    Executive Director
    Paradigm Research Group


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    Once again, please treat my threads as science-fiction. I try to approximate possible realities -- but I'm not an insider, and I have no idea where the truth ends, and the BS begins. Take all of this madness with a sea of salt -- and then just move-on -- without saying or doing much of anything with what you've learned. I'm frankly trying to get away from this stuff. I had more than enough -- several years ago -- and things have only gotten worse. Consider this Alex Collier and Val Valerian conversation regarding Draconians and the Paa Tal. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles33.htm

    The Alpha Draconians, a reptilian race composed of master geneticists, tinker with life - which from their perspective exists as a natural resource.

    The Draconians look at lifeforms which they have created or altered as a natural resource. Apparently, the Alpha Draconians created the primate race, which was first brought to Mars and then to Earth.

    The primate race was then tinkered with by many other different races - 21 other races - resulting in the primate race having been modified 22 times. This primate race eventually became Homo Sapien Sapiens. - who we are on a physical level. Yes, we used to have 12 strands of DNA. Ten strands were taken out by a group from Orion in order to control us and hold us back. Why would they want to hold us back?

    The reason the Orion group wanted to hold us back was because they found out who we were on a soul level. Again, according to the Andromedans, we humans are part of a group of energies that they know of as the Paa Tal.

    The reason that the Andromedans use the word Paa Tal, which is by the way a Draconian word, is because the Draconians have legends about warring with a race that was creating human life forms that were opposed to Draconian philosophy.

    The Paa Tal created life forms that could evolve on their own, with free expression. The Draconians, on the other hand, created races to function as a natural resource for their pleasure. So, you have two very different philosophies.

    Well, how the Orion group found out who we were was through our extreme span of emotions. We are very different than all the other races. Even the Andromedans do not understand how we could hate one minute and five minutes later be loving and snuggling.


    On one trip I was brought on board a ship, and Vasais was watching a monitor floating in the middle of the room that had an Earth news broadcast on it where a policeman had shot a black man and then had run up to him and tried to save his life. To Vasais, there wasn't a clue why the policeman would do this. I couldn't explain it to him, because I don't even understand it. They are perplexed why we could be this incredible race, and have the abilities that we have, and be so hell-bent on destroying ourselves.

    Another time I came on board and Moraney was looking at Earth while monitoring all these meters analyzing the atmosphere of Earth. He looked very sad, and I asked him what the matter was.

    He said, "don't they understand that all of this is here because they needed it?"

    They don't understand how we can just destroy our environment.

    It's not like we have another place to go. We don't.

    AC: The Draconians are the force behind the repression of human populations everywhere in this galaxy instilling fear-based belief systems and restrictive hierarchies. I asked Moraney about them, and he said,

    "the Draconian race is probably the most understood race of beings. I have witnessed a deep respect for this race."  

    The Andromedans consider the Draconians the "ultimate warriors," in a negative sense. Moranae continues,

    " the Draconians are the oldest reptilian race in our universe. Their forefathers came to our universe from another separate universe or reality system. When this occurred, no one really knows. The Draconians themselves are not really clear on when they got here.

    The Draconians teach their masses that they were here in this universe first, before humans, and as such they are heirs to the universe and should be considered royalty. They find disgust in the fact that humans do not recognize this as a truth. They have conquered many star systems and have genetically altered many of the life forms they have encountered. The area of the galaxy most densely populated with Draconian sub-races is in the Orion system, which is a huge system, and systems in Rigel and Capella.

    The mind set or consciousness of the majority of races in these systems is Service-to-Self, and as such they are always invading, subverting and manipulating less advanced races, and using their technology for control and domination. This is a very old and ancient war, and the peace that does not exist is always being tested by these beings, who believe that fear rules, and love is weak.

    They believe that those they perceive to be less fortunate, in comparison to them, are meant to be slaves. This belief system is promoted at birth in the reptilian races, wherein the mother, after giving birth, will abandon the offspring to fend for themselves. If they survive they are cared for by a warrior class that uses these children for games of combat and amusement.".

    So, you can see that the reptilians are forever stuck in survival mode. This means they have no boundaries in what they will do to other beings. Moraney continues,

    "it is engrained in them never to trust a human. They are taught the Draconian version of the history of the 'Great Galactic War', which teaches that humans are at fault for invading the universe, and that humans selfishly wanted the Draconian society to starve and struggle for the basic materials that would allow them to exist."

    AC: Now, there are some real similarities there. The expression 'Draconian thought' is an expression on our world. I would suggest you research that.

    The Rest of the Galactic Hierarchy... and the Rest of the Story

    We'll look at the positives.

    There are so many that want to help. For those of you who are "trekkies", you know the number one rule. You don't intervene with an evolving race unless you're asked. That happens to be a reality. They will not directly intervene - at least they are not supposed to - unless they are specifically asked to. Those people who are contactees have a reincarnational lineage that leads back to many of these positive races, which is why it is not considered intervention.

    Now, in our galaxy there are many councils. I don't know everything about all those councils, but I do know about the Andromedan council, which is a group of beings from 139 different star systems that come together and discuss what is going on in the galaxy. It is not a political body. What they have been recently discussing is the tyranny in our future, 357 years from now, because that affects everybody.

    Apparently what they have done, through time travel, is that they have been able to figure out where the significant shift in energy occurred that causes the tyranny 357 years in our future. They have traced it back to our solar system, and they have been able to further track it down to Earth, Earths moon and Mars. Those three places.

    The very first meeting the Andromedan council had was to decide whether or not to directly intervene with what was going on here. According to Moraney, there were only 78 systems that met this first time.

    Of those 78, just short of half decided that they wanted nothing to do with us at all, regardless of the problems. I think it is really important that you know why they wanted nothing to do with us. We are talking about star systems that are hundreds of millions of light years away from us. Even some who have never met us. They just knew the vibration of the planet reflected those on it.

    The reasons why they wanted nothing to do with us is that from their perspective, Earth humans don't respect themselves, each other or the planet. What possibly can be the value of Earth humans?

    Fortunately, the majority of the council gave the opinion that because Earth has been manipulated for over 5,700 years, that we deserved an opportunity to prove ourselves - to at least have a shot at proving the other part of the council wrong.

    So, the Andromedan council passed a directive that all extraterrestrial presence will be off our planet no later than August 12, 2003.

    [Vals Note: Isn't it also curious that August 12, 2003 is also a resonant node for the Montauk Project? - 1943, 1983, 2003 - all 20 years apart. Also, in 12-year progressions, 1931,1943,1955, 1967, 1979, 1991, 2003. The implications are interesting. The year 2002 was also designated the new target date for implementation of the New World Order, one year prior to 2003]

    They want everything extraterrestrial on the planet, in the planet and Earth's moon out of here by that date.

    The reason for this is that they want to see how we will act when we are not being manipulated. We are all being manipulated, and my first suggestion is to throw your television set away. I can't tell you how sincere I am about that. They are teaching you what to think, not how to think. If you give that up, you become a robot. You become sheeple. I know it's going to be tough.

    This determination that ET influence will end by August 12, 2003 will be interesting, because living inside our planet 100 to 200 miles under the surface are 1837 reptilians who have been here a very long time, 17 humans from Sirius B, and 18000 Grey clones inside the Earth and on the moon. Most of the 2000 original Greys are on Phobos, one of the moons of Mars, which is an artificial satellite.

    There are also around 141 Orion beings inside the Earth from 9 different races.

    There are a lot of "bad boys" here who have technology thousands of years ahead of us. It is estimated that Grey technology is 2,500 years ahead of us. The Orion group who control the Greys have technology approximately 3,700 years ahead of us. Nobody really knows how far the Draconians are, because they are incredibly elusive.

    The group from Sirius B are approximately 932 years ahead of us.

    They have a camera that they can take a picture and separate it out to get data all the way back to conception.

    Say I have a liver problem. They can go back and get the data relative to my healthy liver and project it holographically and heal the liver. This is holographic technology. It is literally me, healing myself. We have the same capabilities using our minds.

    The key is to open it up to the idea that everything that we record in our mind is recorded holographically. Every single thought is recorded holographically. When you are trying to create something in your life, through your mediations, don't look at it the way you normally do. Move around it, behind it, on top of it, beneath it. Train you mind and subconscious to see it for what it really is.

    They say we have this ability - they need technology to do this, but we don't, because we have the benefit of already having been on 11th density.

    AC: I want to talk to you about Lyrae and how the human race colonized our galaxy. Based on the age of the Suns and the planets in our galaxy, it was decided that the human life form was to be created in the Lyran system. The human race lived there for approximately 40 million years, evolving. The orientation of the human race in Lyrae was agricultural in nature. Apparently, we were very plentiful and abundant, and lived in peace.

    Then, one day, huge craft appeared in the sky.

    [Vals Note: This scenario is the theme of the movie Independence Day, to air in the theatres nationally on July 7, 1996].

    A large ship came out of the huge craft and approached the planet Bila, and reptilians from Alpha Draconis disembarked. Apparently, the Alpha Draconians and the Lyrans were afraid of each other.

    I told you before that the Alpha Draconians were apparently the first race in our galaxy to have interstellar space travel, and have had this capability for 4 billion years. Well, when the Draconians came and saw Bila, with all its abundance and food and natural resources, the Draconians wanted to control it.

    There was apparently a miscommunication or misunderstanding between the Draconians and Lyran humans.

    The Lyrans wanted to know more about the Draconians before some kind of "assistance" was offered. The Draconians mistook the communication as a refusal, and subsequently destroyed three out of 14 planets in the Lyran system. The Lyrans were basically defenseless. The planets Bila, Teka and Merck were destroyed.

    Over 50 million Lyran humans were killed. It is at this point in history that the Draconians began to look at humans as a food source. This is how old the struggle is between the reptilian and human races. Now, I must make the point that not all the reptilian or human races are "dark". There is a mix. When we start meeting these races, you are going to have to trust your gut instinct.


    But, they are coming. Hale Bopp is on its way here. It is not a comet.

    Jehovah, Terran Control Groups and Derivative Concepts

    I want to talk about Jehovah. He's a piece of work.

    I want you to know he's still alive and still scooting around, wreaking havoc. He still doesn't have his stuff together.

    I mean, all you really have to do is take all your personal emotions away from your observation of the Bible, or the Old Testament, and just see what Jehovah did. It's clearly psychotic behavior. I don't want a "God" like that! It's amazing how some people will defend it, saying "well, he was justified in killing everybody". Really?

    The word "Jehovah" originally meant, in the Chaldean and Hebrew, "is, was, and will be". The reason he was given that name is because he lives such a long time. They live thousands of years in one incarnation. It never meant "creator of all things". He used technology to promote himself as a "God", and fear is an incredible tool when you want to get people to do something. Some of you have no doubt observed this factor in some of the activities of the world governments.

    The Chaldean people were the remnants of the Sumerian people. This you probably already know. Much of the Hebrew religion and the religion of the Sumerians are similar. The books of Moses do not in any way suggest that Jehovah was in any way the only "lord of the Elohim".

    The expressions "Elohim" and "Nephilim" are used in the original Hebrew tongue, and these expressions are plural in nature, which means that in their terms there was more than one "God". That should be a major tip to everyone.

    Abraham, whose name was "Abramou", did consider Jehovah to be a "God" because of the technology that Jehovah and the other Elohim possessed. Many of the "Gods" did the same thing. They used technology to strike fear into the people, and they worshipped the "Gods" to avoid punishment. Any of this sound familiar, here in 1997?

    Marduk, whom we also know as the Egyptian "God" Ra, Enki, and En-lil, were notorious for doing this.


    These extraterrestrial manipulators used bigotry because they wanted to control their own groups of people, and each of their offspring procreated with elements of the population of the earth. According to Moraney and Vasais, our native American races are the remnants of the ancient Babylonians.

    They were brought here and hidden underground just prior to the flood of Noah.

    Now, what was the flood of Noah? We are told that it rained for 40 days and 40 nights. According to Moraney, the flood of Noah was as a result of the movement of Earth from one orbit to another around the Sun. The Earth was apparently hit with a tractor beam and literally moved to an orbit further out from the Sun.

    This added five days to our rotational period around the Sun. The period of this 40 day rain was during the period when the magnetic poles of the Earth rotated 180 degrees.

    My reason for telling you this is to try and give you a broader perspective. There is just so much more to who we are and who we've been. We have been manipulated by the "hidden ones". The reason they remain "unseen" is because on-the-whole they are basically afraid of us. They are afraid of something about us. They absolutely do not want us to unite together, because then the "gig" is up.

    Now, when the extraterrestrials were here in force - that is, during the time referenced in the Bible where it says the Sons of God married the Daughters of Man, they bred and mated with their human wives. Out of this came offspring, half-breeds. There were at that time, within the last 5000 years, predominantly 13 families from Sirius B and Nibiru, who were living here on the planet. These were the tribes of En-lil, Marduk, Enki, etc. They all had offspring.

    Those from Nibiru were a tribe that came about as a result of a "marriage" between some groups between Sirius B and Orion. It was in essence a "royal marriage" between groups that formed a "tribe". This "tribe" was called Nibiru. The word Nibiru, in the ancient Sumerian language, means "between two peoples".


    I know Sitchin calls it something else. The offspring were not allowed to go with the extraterrestrial parents when they left the Earth, because they were considered "half-breeds". The reason they were viewed like this by the extraterrestrials was because of their Terran genetics, which contain certain genes from the primate race.

    According to Moraney, the first melding between the primate genes and the human species was 28,731,007 BC, and there have been many prototypes. In fact, they just found another prototype in Portugal that is estimated to be 780,000 years old. They will discover more. In fact, start looking for some major discoveries in Nigeria.

    Apparently, there is a tremendous amount of extraterrestrial technology buried in Nigeria, that has not been tapped yet.

    When the extraterrestrials left, the real ET's, they left certain types of technology behind. The Indian Veda's discuss some of this technology. They didn't care. They had science teams who were constantly inventing new things, and as they got new technology they discarded the old.

    Well, it was the Magi, the half-breeds, that were left these technologies. There were 13 major families that were considered under the heading of Magi. Does that number ring a bell?

    The members of these 13 families on earth contain the genetics of both Terran and extraterrestrial races that formerly tyrannized the Earth. They were basically left in charge. Some of them were actually Pharaohs. The Magi interbreeding resulted in the cultures we today recognize as the "Ivory Hebrew", the "Mayan", the "Celts", and the "Aryan" races. Now, while all of this was transpiring on the surface of the planet, underground there was another extraterrestrial race that had been here - a race that has been here for hundreds of thousands of years. They are, of course, the reptilian race, which the Bible refers to as the "serpent race". Serpent men.

    They are still here, and they can't stand the radiation of the sun. They haven't been able to live on the surface of the planet since the last major war that occurred here approximately 450,000 years ago. They are basically hyperborean in nature. They have control of the planet at depths from 100 to 200 miles down.

    That's their turf, and no one contests that. That is why when people go into the inner earth, they enter via the poles. They do not go through the crust, because these reptilians simply do not like humans. They consider us to be "fleas" on the surface.

    Again, prejudice as a concept has its origin in extraterrestrial perspectives.

    All of the concepts involving languages and social structures for human societies were introduced by extraterrestrial sources. All of the languages that we have on the planet have their origins within the structures of extraterrestrial languages. The letters and their numerical values.

    From Moraney's perspective, "Adam and Eve" were in fact two human tribes that were created. I know the Bible refers to "Adam" as a singular person. This is not accurate. According to Moraney, there was a race of human beings prior to the Sumerians called the "Annunites", and they were named after the chief scientist who the Sumerian's called the "God" Anu. The name of "A-dam", as far as these people were concerned, was originally "Anu-dam". That word meant workers in the mines. Like everything else, we get the "Cliff notes" version of what really was the case.

    I asked Moraney how the extraterrestrials were able to control all the populations. Apparently, there were groups of hundreds of thousands of people in areas all over the planet. Moraney said that it was very easy to control the population by controlling the water. He said that primary control was through technology, but the single most important control mechanism for a race as primitive as ours was control of the water supply. You have to have water.

    This leads me to share something with you that I started to share earlier. Two weeks ago, Bill Clinton signed a presidential directive, number 28, which is legislation that has been put into the Federal Register. It did not go to Congress for approval.

    They withheld it for two weeks, only giving the legislation 14 days of review before it became law.

    [Vals note: This, of course, is illegal, because there must be a 30 day period of review].

    It is called the River Heritage Act.

    He is taking ten of the largest rivers in the United States and declaring on behalf of the Federal Government that ten miles on each side constitute a "world heritage protection site". Now, why would he do this? On the entire planet, 2.5% of the water is fresh water that is fit to drink. Now, 78% of that 2.5% is right here in North America. The Great Lakes. Are you getting the picture?

    Now, the Magi created class systems around themselves. Priesthood's. You can read about this priesthood's in Sumerian and Egyptian lore. Every major religion has these. The priesthood's of the Magi were known as the "Naga", and I know that is a name that has been thrown around a lot.

    The Naga constituted the priesthood. They are like the international bankers today, who are the new "priesthood", in a sense, for the extraterrestrial controllers. Everything in your life revolves around money. Everything. My reason for bringing this up is to show you how history is constantly repeating itself.

    Our race has been stuck in a cycle of doing the same thing over and over again, and getting "screwed" over and over again. Maybe now you will be able to take a step back and see the "games" and the political mind sets that are coming down again. Folks, it's right there. I want you to know something, and I mean this with all my heart.

    There are people that say,

    "you know, Alex, if you think this way you will create it".

    Well, you know what? I don't think this way, and it's being created anyway.

    The reason it's being created anyway is because of apathy. People don't give a damn, because they are so busy just "surviving". Well, you are going to have to try and make room for more than just "survival" in your life. You're going to have to do this. There is only one semi-free nation on the planet.

    The United States. If we loose it, there is nowhere for us to go, and I will tell you this: I refuse to serve two masters! I refuse. You can't do it.

    The following material is a follow-up interview conducted with Alex Collier in regard to the Andromedan paradigm. For reference purposes, the initial interview was in LE#90 and the main feature, ET's and the Global Connection, was in LE#89.

    The interview was conducted on Sunday May 5, 1996.

    Val: Perhaps it would be best to start with a general update from you, both on the planetary side and the extra-planetary/dimensional side.

    AC: Well, let's see...a planetary update. There are more reptilians than there were before. There are approximately 20 of the royal Draconian line in the planet at this time.

    Val: The Ciakars?

    AC: Yes. An underground facility was apparently built for them in the mountains in Madagascar. It is something that Moraney seemed very concerned about, because they don't know exactly why the Ciakars are here....they usually don't fight their own battles. On a galactic level, several humanoid colonies in the Hercules cluster have been admitted to the Andromedan Council.

    Val: What about the biological situation on the planet?

    AC: The viruses that are going to be hitting the United States are going to be blamed on Africa. It of course is not true. I am sure most of your readers know that already.

    Val: It's no secret that all the viral and plague outbreaks have always been organisms that are involved with known government biowarfare programs.

    AC: Yes. The interesting thing about the Ebola virus is that there is an extraterrestrial gene that has been added to it.

    Val: I have heard that the same thing was done by factions in the government to create the HIV virus.

    AC: Yes. I don't know what extraterrestrial race provided the gene for the recombinant HIV virus, but I know that the biological material that has been added to the Ebola was given to the government by the humanoids from Sirius B. I don't know if if was one of their viruses that they picked up somewhere or whether it is actually from them.

    Val: Well, giving thought to the question: of who would want to biologically decimate the planet, the governmental factions have their agenda, but the reptilian race comes to mind as a contender who might in fact have orchestrated this biological weapon exchange.

    AC: This is true. There are a lot different races that would love to have this solar system totally secured, primarily because of Saturn and Jupiter, and the Earth is a prize because of all the water on it. But, if they gave certain human beings on Earth the viruses, and those human beings in turn go ahead and use them, it doesn't totally absolve them of culpability, but at the same time it does relieve them (the aliens) of the idea that they actually did it to us. This is the really scary part, you know.

    Val: This attitude is not uncommon even here on Earth. It is an interesting parallel to the attitude of some organized religious and political groups who behave in the same way, having other people do their dirty work. Ultimately, however, they cannot escape the karmic debt incurred by doing these things.

    AC: Well, you're right.

    Val: Referring back to some of the things you said in the ET's and Global Connection, you noted that there were some 1800 reptilians inside the Earth that have been responsible for some 37,000 human children disappearing. Have you acquired any additional information or clarification relative to this statement?

    AC: You mean, what they do to the human children?

    Val: Well, any clarification beyond that simple statement relative to what is happening.

    AC: Well, I can tell you two things. You're not going to like this.

    Val: I'm probably already aware of what you are about to say, but go ahead.

    AC: Well, my understanding is that aside from the fact that they eat human children, what they do is that they drain fluids from the brains of children while they are in fear.

    Val: I have heard of this before. It is to get that substance which to them is like a drug.

    AC: It's like a narcotic.

    Val: From the adrenal and pituitary glands?

    AC: Yes. Apparently the government has tried to copy this substance, but they can't, so they have this agreement with the reptilians down below. My understanding is that the primary agreement is that they will allow the world governments to mine gold in exchange for the human children.

    Val: It is an interesting parallel to a movie I saw called I Come in Peace, which featured a rogue time-traveler from an alien race who came to Earth and killed humans just to get endorphins from their brain while they were in terror. Another alien was sent dimensionally to stop him, because if he was successful in accumulating endorphins and returning with them, there would be no end to the slaughter of humans, as others would come. Galactic drug dealers.

    AC: There is more to it than that. The excretion has some of the genetic coding within it. This is really what they are after. Apparently they can absorb it, but their bodies don't produce it. There is a chemical that we have in our brains that no other life form creates. It is a result of the fact that we have 22 genetic lines within human DNA, plus the primate race. No one can yet copy this chemical yet. As far as them being galactic drug dealers, I have never heard them referred to as that, but it's interesting.

    Val: Well, it was only in reference to that movie, but the fact they would raid another species and kill them to acquire this substance. Of course, humans do this to other species, don't they?

    AC: Well, they have this attitude that because part of their genetics are within us, that they have a "right" to do this. The Greys apparently have the same philosophy, and I can remember in one of the things that you sent me that Drunvalo also says that. I would like to offer a different perspective in that it is just flat wrong. They don't have a "right" to do it. Somehow they have convinced the world governments that they have this "right".

    Val: Of course, the world governments are within the paradigm of Neo-Darwinism and genetic engineering, and it is no surprise that they would gladly except this statement as pseudo-confirmation of their own position and rationale.

    AC: Yes.

    Val: It wouldn't be too much of a stretch for these people.

    AC: Yes

    Val: And apparently the reptilians use human children as sex slaves, which is something I have heard periodically over the last few years, even in conjunction with governmental child sex rings that were mentioned in the book Trance-Formation in America by Cathy O'Brien.

    AC: What is interesting is that the reptilians primarily enjoy human males in this way, which is really disgusting.

    Val: Well, the whole thing is really disgusting. Let's change the subject!

    AC: Yes, please.

    Val: You noted one time that there were about 1500 benevolent ET's on Earth that were relatively undistinguishable from ordinary humans, and that you were at the time not privy to their purpose for being here. Have you discovered more relative to this?

    AC: Well, in truth, I know exactly why they're here. But I have been told to really not talk about it. I will tell you that the original number of 1500 in 1987 is now down to 1231. And, I understand that in the next three months another 97 will leave.

    Val: Then I guess the number will just decrease steadily until August 2003?

    AC: Yes, the last bunch will leave then.

    Val: So, what I can get out of all of this is that these alien humanoids are intelligence operatives who monitor the state of affairs on Earth.

    AC: Your perception is very accurate. I feel like I have broken a promise.

    Val: No. If I already have the logic to figure things out, then there is no word broken. I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to deduce why they are here, I suppose.  

    In the last interview (LE#90) you noted that "the anger coming up in young people was because of the unlocking of DNA that is releasing energy that they don't know what to do with." I asked "what are the teens to do?", and you replied that you would have to get back to me on that.

    AC: Well, I have asked them if they would outline a workable system of expression that would be positive and beneficial, not only to the teens, but to the adults. Moraney said that the next time he spoke with me that he would have an answer. As soon as I find out, I will get that information to you.

    Val: Great. In the last interview, it was stated that the Greys captured and boxed human souls, and that Moraney did not want to answer the question of what happens to these souls. Has Moraney changed his mind about that yet?

    AC: No, not yet. I don't think it's because of Moraney. He is always reluctant to say he can't answer something, so I think that the directive not to reveal that information comes from a higher level. I don't know if they are concerned that the information might generate more fear on this planet. It could be that they are just trying to figure out a way to let us know.

    Val: In order to deal with these kind of issues, perhaps one of the other things Moraney might want to dwell on besides the question about "what are children to do to cope with this energy constructively?", is maybe come up with an effective series of thought patterns to enable the processing of information in a "neutral" way. However, I think most readers of The Leading Edge are pretty much past the barrier of dealing with things only in terms of fear, and people who have read it over a number of years are already at the point where they can pretty much take anything and process it constructively. That will come in the future, since it will be delineated anyway.

    Val: You noted that "we are all to become teachers" when the Earth passes from the fourth density to the fifth. Are you able to elaborate on that?

    AC: Yes. Essentially, what is supposed to happen is that when we move into fifth density, many of us for some reason are going to find us back where we started with our extraterrestrial origin.
     
    Val: In alien humanoid bodies from whence we came, before we occupied bodies here.

    AC: Exactly, and with all the experiences here. According to Moraney, they will all be recognized as teachers and as a group that has gone through a "first ever" transformation.

    Val: On a recent Art Bell show, a fellow named Robert Ghostwolf discussed a Native American perspective that "the only two ET races that were attempting to help us were the Sirians and the Andromedans." I wonder whether you had any comment relative to that?

    AC: My understanding is that those from the Sirius A system are trying to be beneficial and assist, because they feel responsibility in that those who colonized Sirius B system were originally from Sirius A. Those from Sirius B have come here and really messed with our heads, and they are the ones who originally gave our government the Montauk technology. They have the same belief and brain patterns as those from Orion. Those from Tau Ceti are also very much involved. Nobody knows exactly what the Pleaidians are going to do yet, but I will share this with you.  

    Those that live in the system around Alcyon - some of them cannot be trusted, as they have hidden agendas. Those from Taygeta, I am told, have a very clear objective: to maintain the idea of freedom. Just because a group is labeled "Pleaidians" doesn't mean they are here to help us. People confuse that issue. Know them by their works. Those from Cygnus Alpha are here. There is a group from Arcturus that is trying to help. Those from Procyon, who have been liberated, are trying to help. They're pretty gung ho.

    Val: Well, all these species that are trying to help are limited by the Prime Directive.

    AC: Yes, they are.

    Val: So, one would presume that they are waiting for a certain threshold of a feeling of wishing assistance to manifest itself, and that the threshold of feeling would overrule the Prime Directive and allow things to happen.

    AC: Well, they are waiting for 10% of the consciousness on the planet to awaken and ask for some kind of intervention. That may not come until after ... they may come shortly after Hale-Bopp gets here, or after the World Government and ET's try to stage the Second Coming.

    Val: Obviously, Moranae and all these people have the ability to travel in time and know everything that is going to happen.

    AC: Yes.

    Val: So, they must know whether or not, and when, the 10% threshold is reached.

    AC: Well, it will be reached no later than August 12, 2003.

    Val: So, relative to any world government "games" relative to Jerusalem and the emergence of the Maitreya scenario toward the end of 1996, wouldn't that paradoxically contribute toward the movement toward a 10% threshold?

    AC: Yes, it will. The regressives are going to mastermind their own undoing. But, for some reason they are so desperate to try to maintain control of us, and for some reason they don't want to let our particular solar system and the other 21 go.

    Val: What could that reason possibly be?

    AC: I don't know, but there is a reason. There is more about us, as humans, that I don't know, than there is that I do know.

    Val: Do you have a particular perception of a relationship between HAARP and the Montauk projects?

    AC: No, but I know that the Andromedans are very concerned about Montauk, because the humans who are working with this technology are being given specific coordinates in space, and the regressives that are here can use that same technology and leave here. The whole point is to track where they are going, so they do not continue to propagate their belief systems.

    Val: If the universe itself is being "jacked up" several frequency levels, then it doesn't matter where they go to try and get away. They will be stuck in the same boat.

    AC: Well, this is true. But, my understanding is that the idea is to limit the damage they do.

    Val: Does this have to do with this 357 year period of tyranny which the Andromedans are trying to prevent.

    AC: Yes.

    Val: Well, obviously they must know that it was prevented if they can travel in time. That sounds like a paradox. They must know that they either were or were not successful. Here is where we start to drift into parallel lines of reality.

    AC: Yes.

    Val: This comes into the next question that I have. At one point in your talk in Dallas, you indicated that according to the Andromedans, our very next spiritual leap in consciousness will come from the "quiet science of archeology". Yet, it was also stated that many of the Dows (Greys) here and presumably the government and other people, are time travellers who "tweak" history. If in fact "new truths" are to proceed from archeology, just how "true" can they be if literally everything is subject to change and manipulation, in terms of "archeology" consisting of "tactically planted evidence"?

    AC: Well, look at this idea. When they first started this manipulation, they had a specific agenda. But here in this particular linear year, 1996, their agendas have radically changed. They are faced with "survival" because there is another threat to them. It is no longer just a matter of controlling Earth humans, but it is also the fact that there are other alien races in our atmosphere and in our solar system that are here to help and to limit the damage. Their main concern now is not so much totally manipulating us, but trying to get what it is they want, or came here to get, and get out of here. Plus, you have this frequency change. All I had tell you is that the Andromedans had no idea that this sound frequency emanation from the black holes was going to happen. No one foresaw this. It was an instantaneous phenomenon that affected past, present and future all at once.

    Val: Now, despite the fact that the Andromedans can travel outside of space-time and have a viewpoint of a probable line of reality, when this sound frequency emanation happened it created an entirely new probable line of reality. They couldn't have foreseen it.

    AC: Yes, and a totally different set of probabilities. I don't know about all of that.

    Val: So, is it at all likely we could all wake up one morning into a completely different reality?

    AC: I think it's possible for some beings, but I don't think it's possible for all of us. I think that it is going to be a gradual transformation of consciousness. We are all essentially going to change our minds and create something else, and it will be voluntary and more of a group effort. A part of us will awaken and we will know what it is that we have to do. I don't think it's going to change totally overnight, in an instant. They have never said it would happen that way. Otherwise there would be no need to give us specific dates. It is supposed to be a gradual process. If they are right, then the reason there is third density is because we created it. We have to implode it responsibly in such a way where a certain set of circumstances have to occur so that we can allow those who have chosen not to evolve a chance to create their space to continue to evolve.

    Val: From the point of view of the regressives, then, they would be "escaping" something -- something like a realization by the mass population of how they have been hoodwinked.

    AC: Yes. They would probably have that kind of perspective.

    Val: I mean, they can't go anywhere in this solar system in the third density. Could they go to a different density?

    AC: I don't know that it is an option they now have. I am pretty sure that fourth and fifth density are quarantined, because I know a group of Greys tried to dimensionally skip out, and they were caught -- their ship was 21 miles in length. They were going interdimensional when they got caught, so I don't think that's an option.

    Val: There is apparently a parallel Earth that is one or two overtones above this one, that is actively participating in the subjugation of this particular overtone, together with world government factions like the NSA and Montauk technology. So, presumably, with the "uplifting" of the general vibratory resonance on all frequency levels, these other overtones containing regressives would be lifted upward to a point where they would have to cease that line of thought?

    AC: That's a great question. Nobody has ever asked me about this. My understanding is that even as far back as 1931, a parallel reality had been created. It was something that one of the societies in Germany was involved in. Perhaps the Vril. They were playing with something. Anyway, my understanding is that any parallel realities having their origin out of the original timeline are going to implode back into the original timeline.

    Val: So, there is a main line of reality into which they would implode.

    AC: Basically the line of reality that we ourselves are familiar with.

    Val: And the New World Order?

    AC: It's going to manifest itself, but it is going to be very short-lived. The reason it is going to manifest itself is that it is a reality above us.

    Val: In another overtone.

    AC: Yes. So its going to manifest itself here because that reality will be imploding into this one.

    Val: So, one of the keys to the apparent perception, in a linear sense, of when this would happen, would be the coincidence of the collapse of the planetary magnetic field and the increase of the resonant Schumann frequency at a certain point in linear time?

    AC: Well, that would be around August 12, 2003. It's supposed to get really weird here. I mean, like, really weird.

    Val: I once read a book called Illuminati, a white book with a disclaimer in front, that described a social situation where all the "bad guys" were discovered by the public and put into their own concentration camps. The public became enraged and sequestered the government.

    AC: Well, I have been given a probability about a scenario just like that, and I have only been given this probability relative to here in the United States, that those that have betrayed us as a people, as a nation, as a race, that are in this country, that we consider to be our own "countrymen", will be hanged by the neck in front of the capital building. The United States of American will no longer be called the United States of America. It will be called The Union of American Republics.

    Val: So, having said that, what exactly is the probability?

    AC: At the time I asked, it was over 90%. The people will change everything.

    Val: How comforting. Could the phenomenon going on in Texas right now with the secession be the beginning of this process?

    AC: Yes. I think so. What is interesting about that is that I have been told just recently that Bahrain was going to offer gold to Texas to back their currency. Now, it will be interesting to see if that actually happens. The regressives want to divide us against each other. That's the Orion paradigm.

    Val: So, along with this 90+% probability, was there a linear timing involved?

    AC: The probability then was that this would occur in July 2004.

    Val: It is interesting that the apparent NWO implementation date is 2002, one year short of the Andromedan Council expulsion order for all extraterrestrial influence, and that presumably if this ban destined for 2003 takes place, then somewhere between 2002 and 2003 you would have a mass exodus of "bad guys", both human and otherwise, and that this would permit a total collapse of the regressive regime, allowing the Union of American Republics to form in 2004.

    AC: Yes, it would. But again I wish to stress that the probability was 90+%, not 100%. You know, Val, the people who are working in the government like the NSA, specific renegade groups in the CIA, the KGB, the Black Guard.... there is a lot that they are not being told. As much as they think they know, they do not know. I know that they are way in over their heads. They are just being used, but they are still implanted with these extraterrestrial belief systems, these Orion prejudices and illusions of grandeur that they are "the superior race". I feel sorry for them in a way, because they just don't have a clue. They have already separated themselves so much from reality, that they are living a completely different reality already. Moranae has said that the regressives could not be rehabilitated. They are already on a completely different course on a consciousness level.

    Val: This is where you get the growth, through intent, of another three dimensional "pocket" in reality in which these people will find themselves until they can get it together.

    AC: That's correct.

    Val: And it's the intent and the resonance that creates. There will be a point after the collapse of the probable realities having their origin in the original line into the original line, where probable realities then can easily be created, and this is the process that allows the formation of these resonant reality structures.

    AC: That's right.

    Val: So, there is a null point between the point of probable reality-line implosion and the zero point where things begin to move through fourth into fifth. Is that accurate?

    AC: Yes, that sounds accurate.

    Val: What have you gleaned about the structure of the creation of probable realities and its relation to original time streams? What does it take to create a probable stream of reality for a planetary culture? Is it a general planetary emotional trauma which creates a diversion in creative reality streams?

    AC: My understanding is that it all comes down to intent. If each individual person holds a particular intent which they freely have created, and 10% or more of the planetary population holds that intent at any given time, you literally pull that reality to you. It all focuses on intent, and that is something that we are all individually responsible for. The cost of freedom is responsibility. We have not paid enough attention to creating reality. We are caught in the idea of just experiencing it.

    Val: It has an interesting parallel to your statement that with the Andromedan culture, education is paramount, whereas with our culture distraction is paramount.

    AC: Yes, the children here are learning nothing. They are not learning how to think for themselves. They are being taught what to think, to spit out facts and belief systems, and to consume. This process puts the idea, the intent and the emotion outside of themselves, as opposed to the process of turning that creativity inward to create better selves. That is something that the Andromedans teach their young, is to better the self. Now, we have some really special children being born in our world, and it's going to be the kids that are really going to make the major shift on a consciousness level to help us. There are a lot of people who are absolutely not prepared, and they are not going to be able to deal with the new realities. The kids are, and I have been told that many of the children who are coming to this world now already have a third strand of DNA. They are aware, but they don't know how to put it into words. It's kind of like living in a dream. When it all falls into place, they are going to teach us what they know. They are just going to know this stuff.

    Val: Getting back to one of the earlier questions, relative to young people not knowing what to do with the energy released by changes in the DNA structure, is is possible for you to glean, even on a superficial level, what these teens should do until Moranae gives a more definitive answer?

    AC: I would say that these kids need to be able to have groups that they can go to and just talk about what they see, what they dream about and what they feel. Because it could be that a lot of these kids feel something totally different than what it is they're being told is reality here.

    Val: Which would be about par, really.

    AC: Yes, I think on some level we've all been through that at one point. The kids today are very different -- especially those that have the third strand. They know more than us, but a space has to be created to allow them to express it and not have it be judged. Just because we don't understand it doesn't mean it's wrong. It just means we don't understand it.

    Val: A rose is a rose.

    AC: Right. That's my only guess. Teens are committing suicide at an alarming rate.

    Val: And elderly people as well.

    AC: Right. Everybody wants to get out of here, and that's a scary thought.

    Val: In your understanding, with the change in frequency and density level, for those people who end up taking that route to get out of here, what happens to them?

    AC: I don't know. I will ask the question. I know there is no "hell". They don't burn or fry for that act. That is not a reality. I don't know if they go to a way-station and get healed and then go someplace else, or come back. I don't know.

    Val: Earth changes are something people are interested in, presumably to give them something to do while they are waiting for other things to happen....is there any perspective relative to any specificity about this?

    AC: Well, I know that they could start at any time. Both coasts will be in jeopardy.

    Val: We are about 50 miles from Mount Rainier here.

    AC: You might find yourself moving inland.

    Val: We'll be up to our ash in ash.

    AC: I think it will be a lot higher than that, depending on how tall you are. You know, it's the earth reacting to the frequency shifting and to the consciousness. She is literally stuck between a rock and a hard place. She wants to go up, but at the same time she doesn't want to destroy us in the process. I am amazed at the intensity of intention and attention to detail we have here.

    Val: The Germans would be proud. Attention to detail.

    AC: Yes, but we've lost the essence with our focus on the detail.

    Val: How to the Andromedans view the concept of the creator?

    AC: Their conception of God is that they really don't know what it is. Even those on 11th density going through this shift to 12th don't know. They are having a hard time explaining what is happening to them because their current mode of communication doesn't explain the experience they have just gone through. The Andromedans have always referred to it as the Isness, which is an essence that holds everything together.

    Val: And it is coincident with love as a frequency.

    AC: Yes it is, and this whole space was created in a space of love. It is the primal creative force. The Andromedans really love us, and I think their interaction with our planet has caused a shift within them. I know that Moranae and Vasais have both become more emotional and expressive, and I think that this is rubbing off on all the other races that are here helping.

    Val: Of course, emotion is the basis for creation.

    AC: Yes it is, but a lot of the races are very technical, and we are in our infancy when it comes to that. Yet, look at what we have created without the technology that they have. I have before that the Andromedans are extremely awed by our ability to create things. You know, when you leave the house how everything stays there - it doesn't dematerialize. Our intent to create. All the detail in life. They are in awe of this. Third density is like jello to those above.

    Val: I guess if I were to ask the Andromedans anything at this point, in the spirit of things that are to take place on this planet, it would be what they could offer to all of us as guidelines in order to assist the population through these changes, based on their knowledge of what is to come. I trust they will do this.

    AC: Yes.

    Val: I have heard that physiological life span in shorter in space. Is this at all accurate in your understanding?

    AC: No.

    Val: I suppose it depends on the resonant frequency at which you exist.

    AC: There you go.

    Val: On a recent Art Bell program, when the astronauts were being interviewed, one of them revealed that to him, space looked shiny like patent leather shoes. I found that to be interesting. Can you see the stars in space?

    AC: That's a good question. If you were in a space that contained no atmosphere, it would be mostly black. Of course, some of the stars we see in space from the earth no longer exist, since the light takes so long to reach us. As far as their comment on shininess of space, that is not something I have experienced. That would almost suggest a holograph.

    Val: Oh no! As if they weren't in enough trouble already in the "space program."

    AC: That would mean that the "shinyness" is bouncing from inside.

    Val: Do you have anything else in mind that you would like to say to everyone at this point?

    AC: I would like to just stress this, I think. The singular most important thing I would like to stress to people, from the point of all I have learned and all that I still need to learn, is that the bottom line is that we should not turn on each other. We all created this and are continuing to create this.


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    As most of you know, I overload most of my posts with too many topics, videos, and images. This mostly involves contextual superimposition in a Matrix control-room with legion screens. Perhaps this is a necessary evil with evil neutrality. This is a troubling post, and I've touched upon this repeatedly, but what if ALL churches, countries, political-parties, predominant-persuasions, and high-profile individuals Work for the SAME Boss?? What if every planet is ultimately ruled tyrannically because that's just the way things work?? What if evil-neutrality is a necessary-evil?? What if Art Bell was right in the sixth video?? What if this world is scarier and creepier than we can imagine?? What if the universe is stranger than we can think?? What if cover-stories, historical-fiction, and white-lies are necessary-evils?? Consider the hypothetical Supercomputer-Matrix, Matrix-Mediatrix, and Matrix-Architect?? What Would the Prison-Planet Emissary-Warden Say and Do?? This stuff scares the hell out of me. It really does. I feel as if I've experienced some of this online and in real-life, and I've talked about some of it, but I mostly want to just shut-up and go-away. It might be easier that way.





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    Brook wrote:
    orthodoxymoron quoted: I would really like to know if anyone has taken a close look at this thread - or any of the other threads I have posted??

    Raven wrote: Barely, as its full of nothing but egotestical puritanical rantings from a completely ignorant fool, who would rather spend hours typing endless bathering bullshit out of his incessant mouth, and listening to his own "higher" ego then the True higher ego of the Divine.

    If one reads your bullshit enough, one gets an idea as to the degree and level of how deep your rabbit hole goes. Mostly the hole leads right up your XXX.

    Oh bullshit oxy, you LOVE this XXXX, its all you talk about and point people in the direction of it!! Get over yourself already. You are an incredibly ignornant Xxxxx hiding behind a false puritanical skirt, who needs to grow some balls and accept his own self responsibility. Law of attraction baby, what you dish out will be in kind served back to you. Your so called sincere search is nothing but your own whining out loud, hoping for some small platitude from anyone taking the time to read your vomit.

    Brook Responded: Has someone got their panties in a bunch?  Oh wait....it must be that "True higher ego of the divine" speaking". Self Governance comes from knowing and understanding the Divine...............I'll bet that venom comes from one of those "aspects", or "archetypes" Divine understanding?  not so certain about that........ but none the less, "enlightening" words Raven.

    Truly sent with love
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    Decades ago, a former President of the Southern California Conference of Seventh-day Adventists privately and candidly wished me well on my spiritual quest. That was mostly the genesis of my misadventure in freethinking honesty. I had no idea how bad this would become. A clue to this sort of thing is found in three videos from 2013 and 2014 by Dr. Ryan Bell. The first two as an SDA minister, and the third as an outspoken prime-time atheist (with only a few months of separation). What the hell was going on there?? Are the orthodox dishonest and the unorthodox honest?? What if this is representative of two sides of the same dysfunctional coin?? What if both are cries for help and/or cries in the dark?? I could go on and on, but some of you might wish to ponder the words in these three videos. There's a couple of 'myth-information' videos which might be especially interesting after watching and listening to the first three videos. Consider my minimalist Uncommon Book of Common Prayer found in eleven of the posts on the previous page. Try reading it straight-through, over and over, as a potential Neo-Fundamentalist Judeo-Christianity in Modernity (or something to that effect). I believe but I don't know what I believe, believe it or not. Perhaps I should start The Church of The Seattle Times, The New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal. What Would Jeff Bezos Say?? There's more to my United States of the Solar System threads than you can imagine (if you are honest and thorough on an ongoing basis). I'm still waiting for that exhaustive insider-critique but I'm not holding my breath, waiting for Purgatory to morph into Paradise and/or Perdition. What Would Putin Do?? BTW, I grew-up attending this church. I watched them build it. The roof leaked. What Would Charles Haluska Say?? What Would Patrick Lobo Do?? Ryan Bell Knows What I'm Talking About. We Need to Talk. I Need to Stop.
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    Consider white-lies, cover-stories, and historical-fiction as necessary evils. In an SDA context, what if the five-volume Conflict of the Ages Series is representative of these 'evils'?? Jesus said, "I Have Many Things to Tell You but You Can't Bear Them." In other words, "You Can't Handle the Truth." But what if the Conflict of the Ages Series is the Real-Deal in a Seventh-day Adventist Context?? Something is haywire in the various orthodoxies. They can't all be right, but what if each church has a significant role to play in the information-war?? Perhaps there is no right way to do theology, but what if we must attempt to get it right on an ongoing basis?? Should Ryan Bell have become a religious studies professor in a secular university?? That might've been a middle-way between his two extremes. I can't think. I need to sleep. Sweet Dreams.
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    Space Arks, ET fleets, Ukraine & Human Liberation: An Interview with Alex Collier & Elena Danaan
    In this Exopolitics Today interview, Alex Collier and Elena Danaan discuss their latest intel regarding space arks, extraterrestrial fleets, Ukraine and humanity's liberation. Alex and Elena's contacts with extraterrestrials from the Andromeda Council and Galactic Federation of Worlds give them some of the most up to date and valuable information about what is really happening in space and on Earth today.
    Vidya Moksha wrote:I did say I would post this in here. It started in the Aids as the next pandemic thread.. I havent changed too much but added a short section and an update on ukraine just fits so perfectly into the game puzzle.

    Tarot! I was sent a tarot book today, a friend just published it with Llewellyn. I have an acknowledgement in the preface, I helped her with my esoteric angle on the cards. My friend is a good intuitive psychic too. I think if you are to use the tarot for divination then this a good tool for genuine psychics. Sadly the new age fluffy bunnies also got hold of it.

    I have to confess to having zero energy for tarot these days. I am uninterested in divination and i am no longer studying the subject. I keep meaning to copy my thread on tarot, i dont have it on my laptop. i created it online, pretty much. I have the fuller notes, obviously, but i think that was a fairly decent summary.. so maybe my task is done?

    anyway, the missive:

    Pretty much everything we have been taught is wrong. We have been lied to deliberately and for a purpose.

    The history we learn bears little semblance to reality.  

    Who built Salt Lake Temple? Mormon settlers?  With their mule teams and shovels? We don’t have the craft today to build it! It is complete fabrication. They found the temple completely intact when they arrived there. I don’t know much about the Mormons, but they could be one of the splinter groups from the Ashkenazis? They formed many secret and open societies to Jesus.

    Salt Lake Temple  was built by the ´Tartarians´, or another people from that age of global awareness and global travel. An advanced, high tech global society.  They built pyramids on equidistant lines across the globe. There has been a massive effort to wipe the Tartarians from the history books.  .  I have no idea if the pre cataclysm people were Tartarians or not, I use the name a general label, as some did survive, and to draw attention to the historical cover ups.

    There was a great cataclysm, and we are the descendants of the survivors of that.  This is likely the destruction of Atlantis that Plato writes about. Were Egyptian pyramids melted by nuclear (high energy) weapons or an extreme sun event?

    Doug Vogt has described the sun´s supernova cycle.. next ´end of the world´ scenario is in 2045. The previous one.. Saw the sun go nova. The earth stopped spinning and the sun destroyed one side of the world in flame. The oceans kept moving across continents creating the huge underwater channels we see today.  Folk in central eastern Europe will survive this, if they don’t end up facing the sun.. so there will be survivors.. Is this why the ashkenazis want greater Israel and into Ukraine?

    Like Charlton Heston found the statue of Liberty in the movie Planet of the Apes. Like the Mormons found Salt Lake Temple.

    If they were advanced and knew the sun was going super nova they would be prepared. Perhaps that’s why the great pyramids were built? To survive the sea washing over the continent. It obviously withstood it. Perhaps entire countries survived, on the side of the earth not facing the sun.

    Also, tales of the Tartarians are of much taller folk. Were the dinosaurs real? Did they ever exist or are they just a made up story? I seem to remember the actual fossil record is at best sketchy and at worst, absent. But I may be wrong.

    I have always been drawn to the expanding earth theory. It would explain why the dinosaurs were so big (less ´gravity´ on a smaller earth), and why the Tartarians were so tall. When the sun goes supernova, the earth expands. The theory is absolutely sound in terms of land mass shape, and also the fact the oceans floors are much younger in geological terms.

    There is good evidence, to my mind, to show that the Bible and the writings of Aristotle were both fake, produced by the same roman family. They were produced as tools against Judaism. Judaism was a popular belief, and is the main dichotomy in exoteric religions, monotheism vs polytheism. One god or many gods. The roman folk were maybe tiring of their emperors pretending to be gods. The biblical Christ is an entirely fictitious character created for purely political purposes.

    Which is not to say that jesus never existed, or even exists in some form today. It is simply to state that the bible is a piece of fiction. Which is no surprise as everything else is too. Science, for example. History, for example.

    One tribe / race that grew from the aftermath of the last cataclysm  worshipped the god Ba´al  (aka moloch, Lucifer. (husband to Ashera,) . They sacrificed children to Ba´al  and were not overly popular in other cultures because of this.  They moved north (from Sumaria) into a land they called Khazaria. They claim to be descendents of Noah. They taxed and terrorized the silk road that ran through their territory, becoming wealthy.

    In 600AD the Russian ruler demanded that they convert from Lucifer to another religion. They chose Judaism. But they didn’t convert, they just used it as a shield.

    They continued the child sacrifices up to 1000 Ad when Russia finally had enough and sent an army to wipe them out. They had spies and knew it was coming so they fled with all their money and treasures through Europe into Spain. They left people throughout Europe on this journey. They called themselves the Ashkenazi  Judeans. But they weren’t, they were still worshipping Ba´al.

    They declared all European countries as enemies and vowed revenge on them.

    They hated the Russians and they hated the Jews, so they set about to destroy them.

    The Rothschild´s, who stayed in Germany (Frankfurt) was one of these Ashkenazis.

    The same group became the Knight´s Templars, and all the secret Jesus societies, and formed the Jesuits and the black pope. They were interested in architecture, and fixated on recreating Solomon´s temple, so they formed the freemasons. They wanted to preserve all the ancient teachings, which they did under the name of the kabbalah.  

    The ancient teachings are part of all modern religions in their esoteric form.  All the esoteric philosophies say the same thing!  There is only one world religion, the exoteric religions are just for control and coercion. There is no middle man to god.  So the yogis of Hinduism, Sufis of Islam, Qabbalists of Christianity and Mahayana Buddhists all have the same teachings, in different languages / expressions. (As above, so below, mico cosm macrocosm, the kingdom of heaven resides in man, father and son, etc, ). Which is actually really useful if you want to dig deeper into these theosophies , as a concept that is difficult to grasp in one system might be more easily understandable in others. Yoga provides the most accessible vocabulary.

    But,, the qabbalah as taken on by the Ashkenazis  is actually quite dark. I couldn’t continue with my studies of it. I am sure there is genuine magic in there, which works. But evoking demons and Lucifer and the rest really isn’t my cup of Tea. A lot of these magical spells were attributed to Solomon, and could explain the Ashkenazis apparent fixation with the temple of Solomon.

    When the world governments put pressure on the pope to  disband the Jesuit order, as it was too powerful, he did. They became the freemasons.

    The Jesuits joined Rothschild to form the illuminati. Their goal was to infiltrate all governments of the world, all religions and appear one of them, whilst all the time dismantling the system from within. Destroy the governments, destroy Christianity, Destroy non- Ashkenazis.  They  were instructed to become doctors and practice medicine so that they could poison and maim non believers

    They organised the French revolution. Napoleon was a masonic grand master, his handlers were luciferians / Jesuit.

    They funded both sides of the Napoleonic (and all!) wars and had fast horses awaiting the outcome of battles to have the news days before official channels. Using this system the Rothschilds in London created a false rumour that Wellington was defeated by Napoleon .. and he bought british bonds for pennies. By the time the world realised wellington had won, Nathan  Rothschild was not only excessively rich, he owned the King of England, and every British monarch since.

    It was an internal Jesuit fight that started WW1. It bankrupted Germany, which enabled the Ashkenazis to take over the power in Germany.  The Ashkenazis sent

    The Balfour declaration of 1917 created Israel and gave it to the Ashkenazis, in writing. To Lord Rothschild.  (It would take WW2 to convert the paper to actual land).

    The Russian revolution was Jesuit. Marx was a German Jesuit and Lenin was a fan of his, also a Jesuit.  They killed millions of Russians.  Holdomor was the real holocaust, once again almost erased from the history books.

    In USA at same time the Fed was formed by the Ashkenazis after killing their main opponents. They then crashed the economy. The Wall St crash. The Ashkenazis then caused famine in the USA by further manipulating the economy. They then insisted all Americans give up their gold! All of it.  They called the loans in on Germany and Germany was finished.. so Hitler came to power against the Ashkenazis.  But….. who was Hiltler? Seems he was the bastard son of a Rothschild (so Hiltler was half Ashkenazi). ..after being bankrolled by daddy he erased all traces of his past, even razed his home town.. killed all journalists etc in the know. So once again they were playing both sides. Funding both sides of the war.  The ´secret´ Antarctic base has been home to the germans since the war

    After WW2 millions of Jews were shipped to Israel and killed in the wars against the Palestinians.  Their goal is greater Israel, Jerusalem etc.  Killing Jews and other non believers on the way is just icing on the cake. Sill fixated by the temple of Solomon, which according to Du Quette, never existed, there is no historical record of it in Egyptian texts. DuQuette claims this knowledge is  why the Templars were persecuted and ´destroyed´.. but they weren’t, they just disbanded and became the Jesuits and the freemasons and the illuminati.

    In America, at the moment, they run the govt (both sides) and the alphabet agencies,. They want to destroy white Christians, hence white privilege and BLM; They are tools of the lucifarians. Hollywood is a child sacrifice place, they make adendrochrome by torturing young children. Why open borders to the south, so many missing kids, so much trafficking. Fauci is a Jesuit.

    Historically the oath of allegiance to the various Ashkenazi splinter groups was to obey your superiors without hesitation or question, or else suffer a horrible death and lose all your next of kin. I´m guessing such orders are still in place today, which explains why Fauci and Gates and co can kill millions and be happy about it.

    I don’t think the person playing Fauci is actually him.. but equally I don’t think some white hats took him out, or shipped him off to gitmo, or whatever. My guess is he has his feet up for life on a paradise beach somewhere as a thank you for services rendered (Epstein didn´t kill himself) .. and there is a double, who may yet swing from the yard arm for public show… But only as part of the bigger plan, which is to instil distrust in government and science and cry out to be saved by the benevolent one world government. They will look after your every need as long as you comply with everything you are told to.

    Did you notice the standard operating tactic? Play both sides. Be both sides. Fund both sides.  They are now unimaginably rich with back door access into everything in the computer world. They have the biggest computers the biggest budgets and the greatest evil desire to do harm. Whilst playing both sides.

    So Trump is  a saviour? Tell that to the folk who lands have been stolen and family killed in the Golan Heights. Trump is a Zionist and Zionists serve the cause of the Ashkenazis. It could be that the Jews want that land also, and this is still a war between the Jews and the Ashkenazis.  These are deeply muddied waters these days. How many real Jews know they are infiltrated and despised by fake jews?  How many others are sucked into the relentless social media programming that is happening on a massive scale now. The Ashkenazis are using the jews a shield, and they are taking all of the flack for the Ba´al worhiper´s sacrifices and slow poisoning of the world .

    Is Putin now the good guy? Stopping the nasty Now? Wasn´t Putin WEF too, before the scrubbed the history. And is that even Putin, I don’t think so, its another fake surely? Like fake Hilary, fake Biden, Fake Fauci..so a plant..

    And now EU banned Russian  and balkan wheat, 60% of total production, It is playing exactly into Ashkenazi hands. Just as the trucker´s protest did.

    They are likely still running both sides.

    Rumour that the bioweapon in Ukraine already released into Syria and Iran is the target, again. The plan for the Ashkenazis is always the same.

    And Aliens? Friendly ET? Some super computer / AI  .. are we in the matrix.  We could be. Looking at the activity around the sun, and other evidence it would seem there are craft moving out there.  ET running the show in an inner earth? Probably to deflect from Tartarian tech under the south pole.

    Galactic federation and super space cavalry… I typed too much already.

    But then all of this is equally possible with what we have on earth. The ET´s are left over from pre cataclysm. They had global movement, high tech. Men in space suits and flying saucers could be air ship pilots from Tartaria.

    Could disclosure be a prelude to operation blue beam? They used holograms to fake 911. It was all explosives / mini nukes. Cruise missile into the pentagon. So they know how to stage a show.

    And they have infiltrated all of society. They are among us! They head the banks, the police, the military, governments, countries, lawyers, judges… all of it. They have doctors to make us sick and pharmacists to poison us. All accountable to .. no one. They do what they are told. I gather circumcision makes the production of psychopaths so much easier. Destroying  essential receptors for bonding with others.

    They are relentless and the system can just keep renewing itself, always fighting the machine, the borg, the collective. As an individual this is an exhausting process, which is what they rely on.

    I think the borg are making their move, assimilate or die. I really do. I think this year will see the climax of what´s coming, war or pandemic. The WHO run the world now anyway, don’t they? They take control in the next pandemic. Covid was just a dummy run.

    https://www.europereloaded.com/khazaria-2-0-planned-jewish-migration-israel-ukraine-first/
    Morpheus wrote:Meanwhile, oil hit $127.00 plus today. I also heard it could go as high as $180.00 per barrel, very soon. It was around $90.00 within 2 weeks ago. $113.00 two days ago.

    So despite all the positive Bla Bla Bla, we are still being suppressed. Despite all the tech that is out there, bla bla bla, what good is it when we don't have it here? My number one priority as far as tech goes is the med beds. We can build ventilators by the millions. Why not the med beds? Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla!

    Since this planet uses oil for propulsion and currency, expect food prices to jump forward in terms of cost. Or everything else for that matter. Does anyone out there know what this crap is doing to our Senior citizens? Maybe I shouldn't even ask that question.



    I'm not at all happy about the continued suffering in this world. Or hearing about these dangling carrots that promise hope in our distant future. I've eaten enough of this "HOPE SOUP!" My message is what L. Ron told me years ago. XXXX or get off the pot! And please don't lecture me as to what hope is. Or about faith. In my Universe, it is polarizing bullshit. Not solving anything but enabling the insanity to keep going to fit whatever narrative because it is part of the polarity.


    And all this rhetoric sounds sweet to the ears, for how many years now? It's all second-hand bullshit.

    Feeling all warm and fuzzy.
    Carol wrote:There's nothing like a good vent to clear the air. I was indulging in that with spouse about the BS that Salla, Alex Collier & Elena Danaan were saying at the end of their video. They were talking about people needing to wake up. Yet fail to mention how being lied to by MSM for years and still ongoing is a significant major problem.

    Simon Parkes suggest everything would be switched over by the end of August and most of it completed by the end of June. And yes, it seems like the goal post is consistently moved further down the line every few months. We've been on that ride for at least 12 years for one situation.

    Two night ago I dreamed that I was on a space ship.. the room was clean, well maintained, interesting. A bit too sterile for my tastes. These days when I wake up I just tell myself that I'm on vacation. I like walking on the ice in my cleats from the house to the cabin. The cold is refreshing. We've finally acclimated and don't even wear gloves out ever with temps in the 20s. It's snowing out now. Beautiful.

    And what's even more exciting is that the Spring equinox is about 3 weeks, which means major melt and green grass again.. the daffodils will be coming out. And hopefully the ground will unfreeze so that we can take our little dog out of the chest freezer and bury her by the creek. I started daffodil bulbs so that they can go on top of her grave. I miss her, yet know she's around in spirit.

    Being on vacation also means reading mystery novels and enjoying hanging out in the hammock swing in front of the fire while spouse is putting up the indoor knotty pine paneling. It's sad to see so many suffering and knowing there isn't anything we can do other then to pray for them. Pray for the people. Pray for the Planet. Pray for the Great Awakening sooner then later.
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    orthodoxymoron wrote:Sorry about your pet, Carol. I buried my dog next to a big evergreen tree a few years ago. I just learned of the death of a high-school friend. Life is sobering me up, Big Time. I wish all of you well. Everyone and Everything have Pros and Cons. Stupid and Stubborn People are Highly Problematic. Awake and Aware People are Highly Problematic. Completely Ignorant Fools with Messiah Complexes (such as myself) are Highly Problematic. A father shopped for a puzzle for his young child, remarking to the toy store manager that the puzzle he selected seemed much too difficult. The manager replied, "The Puzzle Will Teach Your Child About Life. No Matter How He Puts It Together, It's Always Wrong." The Lord Works in Mysterious Ways and Vengeance Belongs to the Lord but He Delegates.
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    What does Joshua to Malachi (34 books) tell us concerning Genesis to Deuteronomy (five books)?? What does Romans to Revelation (22 books) tell us concerning Matthew to Acts (five books)?? What does Joshua to Malachi combined with Romans to Revelation tell us concerning Genesis to Deuteronomy combined with Matthew to Acts?? Consider the Quest of the Historical Torah in Joshua to Revelation. Consider the Quest of the Historical Jesus in Acts to Revelation. Consider all the above without theist v atheist arguments. Just the facts, ma'am. I'm NOT the one to do this as I quickly go downhill (physically, mentally, and spiritually). This feels like sabotage. The poison-cup or what?? Can't We All Just Get Along?? I don't know what my USSS threads ultimately reveal. They are a mostly random non-scholarly study-guide for those qualified to make such a study. They are mostly a pseudo-intellectual brain-fart. I call this religious and political science-fiction mostly because I know I don't know. I have a vague modus operandi which is admittedly rather thin. I'd love to have unbiased scholars set me straight. I don't need to be right, but I have a need to know. I won't hold my breath, waiting for purgatory to morph into paradise and/or perdition. Hope Springs Eternal. Have a Nice Eternity.



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    What if Russia and Ukraine have been overthrown by the 'Deep-State'?? What if the 'Deep-State' is coming out of the closet to openly possess what it already owns?? What if this will soon happen to the whole-world (and perhaps the whole solar-system)?? Take this stuff Siriusly but NOT Too Seriously!! People wonder why my hands shake and why I talk to myself!! I need to REALLY calm-down and shut-up!! The Jokes Are Over, Folks!! The Final Movements Will be Rapid and Ruthless!! What Would Ruthless Ruth Do?? One More Thing!! When I was a little kid in Burbank, California, I bought a lot of 'bullet-bombs' in the local war-surplus store!! Imagine a bomb-bay full of those things!! Geronimo!!
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    "Oxy, you certainly have a unique perspective - rather multiple perspectives with regard to the various events that are transpiring WW. I've often thought you would experience a bit more happiness if you took up water color and just hung out in nature painting all the beauty that surrounds you. Mixing colors is magical. Creating beautiful images is magical. Working to make sense of the non-sensical is a never-ending path of frustration. Doing water colors is much more satisfying. Being a scribe isn't that bad either as long as one just focuses on scribing and doesn't put too much effort into making sense of everything being recorded. Just remember, you can choose what you wish to focus on."
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    Thank-you Carol. In 2010, one who told me, "I AM RA", asked me, "Do You Think This Might be Hell??" I was stunned and non-responsive, but I presently think this is purgatory (with subsets of heaven and hell) which might continue for a very long time. This is extremely troubling to me, and it seems to me that attempting to figure things out, and make things better, just makes things worse. Perhaps the guys and gals who finance both sides of the Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan in the Conflict of the Ages have the right idea. If you can't fix it, you might as well profit from it. I scare myself sometimes. An Individual of Interest seems to increasingly not like me. You'd be shocked if I said who I think he is, but I don't want to talk about it. He recently hinted that I might be a grey-alien in human-form (but I might've been mistaken). But what if traveling from one solar system to the next requires taking on non-human physicality??

    I'm thinking about what Brook said about Ptah, Thoth, Isis, and Artemis. My head hurts when I try to think about this stuff. I keep thinking in terms of a figurative and/or literal King David, King Solomon, and Queen of Sheba. I keep thinking that the Oracle, Brook, Sherry, Lionhawk, and Laura had and/or have a direct connection to HAL and/or SAL to know antiquity as if it were yesterday. I could probably add a few names to that short-list. But if this is true, this might not be a good thing if this solar system operates like I suspect it might. I've gone over this territory many times (without resolution). I live within a delusional-system which is quite disorienting and upsetting. I can't talk about this stuff. I need to stop thinking about this stuff. I knew a famous organist who told me, "I stopped thinking about religion and theology." I'm too-old and too-stupid to attempt to master the matrix. I'll be lucky to retain my life and sanity for a few more years. I seem to have no real appreciation of the rich, famous, and powerful, and I've spoken with quite a few of them. They're probably battling the same demons I am, but in a much more respectable and enviable context.

    Back in the good old days, I enjoyed watching 'Crossfire' and '60 Minutes' when political-debate and investigative-journalism had class. My parents worked in Hollywood when Hollywood had class. Unfortunately, I became increasingly disillusioned with the world as the world looked the other way as the rich got richer and the poor got poorer (in the name of FREEDOM, of course). I keep attempting to stop posting, and start reading actual books. I just ordered another one. I might buy a painting once in a while. There's a painting I have my eye on (for $65). I used to know an excellent equine artist, but we had a bit of a falling-out, I'm afraid. I've recently been thinking in terms of the Psalms, Proverbs, Epistles, and Ecclesiastes combined with 'The New York Times' and 'The Wall Street Journal' as a Neo-Uppity Church and State (or something corny like that). I'm actually serious when I'm sarcastic. I mean no harm when I'm a Pain in Uranus. See, I just keep digging my grave deeper and deeper as I attempt an amalgamation of wisdom and humor. I HATE My Life. Now I'm going to make the coffee, and finish watching Steven King's 'The Stand'. I attempt to be positive, cultured, and creative, but I seem to be addicted to https://mistsofavalon.forumotion.com/t9966-part-3-continued-america-warned-is-unprepared-for-q-trumps-cataclysmic-destruction-of-deep-state I'm a Bit of a Dickhead. Think Before You Flame. What Would Anubis Do??


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    I just thought (once more) of the movie Spotlight where one newspaper-reporter thought he had the 'smoking-gun' but his boss told him to wait, that the story wasn't ready, because he wanted to reveal the overall systemic-nature of what they were investigating, namely Pedophilia in the Church. I've been very-passively (honestly) researching a potpourri of perplexities as if I were writing a best-selling book and/or a Hollywood movie-script. I really did speak very-briefly with Steven Spielberg's stepmother (in Dr. Graham Maxwell's Sabbath-School Class) regarding the possibility of a Quality Science-Fictional Life of Christ Movie Based-Upon The Desire of Ages by Ellen White. Obviously, nothing resulted, and I soon-thereafter very-briefly discussed this same concept with Walter Matthau's Director-Son, and surprise, surprise, nothing resulted. But seriously, I could visualize something much bigger than a Hollywood Movie. Decades later, someone who reminded me of Rufus in the movie Dogma showed me some cool science-fiction cartoons, and we discussed some basic Egyptology. Soon thereafter, someone told me, matter of fact, "I Am RA" in 2010: The Year We Made Contact. I've repeated a lot of this stuff and a whole-lot more, but I hate to repeat myself. More to the point, there have been Individuals of Interest who seemed to know way too-much, and didn't screw-up their lines (so to speak). In real-life, I'm not a talker, and I'm very tentative and non-committal, with a lot of verbal stumbling around. I know I don't know, and it shows. If any of you listened to Sherry Shriner's shows, she presented crazy and horrific material without stumbling around. She had her presentation down to a science. I've pulled my punches regarding various Individuals of Interest, but what I suspect Scares the Hell Out of Me. I'm mostly attempting to understand the overall solar-system predicament in the larger context of the Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan in the Conflict of the Ages (possibly throughout the Universe for All-Eternity).

    I might do absolutely nothing with my pseudo-research (other than posting unpopular and strange threads in a small alternative-website). That might be all, folks. I have no idea regarding the nature of the cans of worms I might be dealing with, and I should probably be very-afraid. Regarding those murders, in high-school, I volunteered in a big-city hospital ER on Saturday nights. I had no social-life (then and now). I clearly remember viewing an X-Ray of a Skull with a Bullet in it. It was sobering. Much later, I drove an elderly man to his trailer, and his foot got snagged in blackberry-brambles, and he broke his ankle. I called 911, and two ambulances quickly arrived. Then, out of nowhere, I heard their radio announce that a shooting had occurred probably less than one-mile from where we were. One of the ambulances rushed to that location. Later, I learned that a murder had occurred, and that it involved the shooter who had obtained forbidden documents (I'll leave it at that) and had been discussing this with the victim when the shooting had occurred in the shooter's home. Probably a week later, the shooter committed suicide with a shotgun in his car (and I'll spare you the details). What was especially chilling to me was that I had watched this man build his house, and I had talked to him a couple of times. The house was precariously perched, and it was ultimately bulldozed to the ground. Sad Story. Johnnie Carl, a leading musician at the Crystal Cathedral committed suicide in the cathedral (in 2004) and much earlier, I had been in the choir when he provided instrumental music for soloists and the choir. Anyway, all of this is mind-numbing to me. I just think this world is more screwed-up than anyone can imagine, and I honestly do not wish to dig too deeply or quickly. I'm too old, stupid, sick, and crazy for this $hit anyway. I need to just slowly walk away with my tail between my legs (or whatever that thing is)!! One more thing. Sherry Shriner's Interview with the Devil was bizarre and horrific in the extreme. What's weird is that she seemed to live a lot of the stuff she supposedly related.

    The New Testament claims the Immanent End of the World TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO!!! What if this was a scheduled EXTERMINATION which was somehow issued a 2,000 year 'Stay of Execution' by the SKY PTB?? What if those who HATE Humanity will inflict the Book of Revelation upon humanity?? What if COVID-19 is one of the 'Seven Last Plagues'?? I've honestly spoken with at least three Individuals of Interest over the past ten years who HATED Humanity, claiming, "Humanity is Screwed", "People Deserve to Die", "80% of Humanity Will Die", "85% of Humanity Will Die", "87% of Humanity Will Go Insane", and that's just for starters. What if All of Us will become infected with COVID-19?? What if the WHO has internally given-up, and is presently presenting a united and positive front to keep us from running in the streets in a Zombie-Apocalypse?? Read the last dozen chapters of the book 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen White. Read the book 'Trumpet After Trumpet' by Dr. Erwin R. Gane. I feel as if I've been poisoned and oppressed in an increasingly worsening manner over the past ten years, and it's almost unbearable 24/7, yet I've noticed an increasing smugness in those I refuse to mention, as if they get to ride high over the stupid and afflicted humans. What if EVERYONE will end-up at the Bottom of the Pyramid (including the All-Seeing Eye)??

    Again, my threads are for Sirius-Researchers ONLY, and NOT for the General-Public. I suspect there are Secret-Theologians in Underground-Bases who know Exactly What I'm Talking About (but they don't talk about it in public). 'RA' told me, "The Jesuits Don't Like You." If I'm an Ancient Matrix-Maker who is presently a Galactic Happy-Wanderer as a Solar System Analyst, that might be why they supposedly don't like me!! An Individual of Interest told me, "You Have Friends in High Places." If true, that might NOT be a good-thing. 'RA' told me, "They Like You on Phobos." When I spoke of "Tall Long-Nosed Greys", 'RA' called me a "Commoner." Separately, 'RA' told me, "You're Just Like Me", and "We Fought Side by Side." I'm honestly not making this stuff up. If I were fabricating a story, I'd probably be attempting to cash-in on it, but I'm NOT that kind of guy. I attempted to understand 'RA', rather than attempting to make a deal and get something from him. I suspected a Good-Guy Gone Bad, which might go with the territory of becoming the Solar System Big Man on Campus Under HAL 9000. 'RA' told me, "There Are Those Who Are Above Me", and "I'm Close to God."

    Again, I'm being completely honest. I'd probably submit to a polygraph-test if necessary, but I doubt I'd submit to regression-hypnosis (which I suspect might involve demonic-deception). I keep waiting for some sort of a Secret-Meeting in a Federal-Building (like Darby Shaw at the end of 'The Pelican Brief'). We might discuss 'The Reptilian Brief' off the record. I'm half-joking and half-serious. I couldn't find a clip of that meeting, so I've included one from 'SALT'. I've spoken with Agent Salt and Agent Evans in real-life, but I don't want to talk about it. Consider the 'Spanish Flu' That was in 1918. Think of what they can do today. The Horror.

    Carol wrote:Oxy may try to stay in the shadows but he shines so brightly that his light just keeps slipping out on a regular basis. What would the Mists be without Oxy? He's our own personal Scribe who adds an entirely different dimension - or should I say multiple dimensions to our awareness. I would never even dream to think of some of the things he comes up with. His posts are not only educational, their thought provoking and expands ones way of looking at the world. So many unanswered questions that can take ones perception in so many divergent directions. That in itself is a true experience in self-exploration. And what amazes me the most is how he remembers all of this stuff and manages to keep it all straight. Thank you Oxy for hanging in here with us and continually pointing out different ways of looking at things that only you can do.
    Thank-you Carol. The problem is that I'm still searching for the truth, and I don't know who or what to believe, so I'm reduced to being a Noble-Agnostic with Responsible-Neutrality. Andy's posts make my hair stand on-end. I never know who I'm really dealing with (online or in real-life). I feel like a fake, mostly because of all the modeling and speculating based-upon my past-programming, online-research, contact with Individuals of Interest, and my claim of being 'messed-with'. I continue to suspect a central being and/or computer playing all-sides, making everyone think they're special or chosen when they're just being deceived and played like everyone else. The lie is different at every level. I'll be watching and listening while I attempt to remain unseen and unheard. I feel sort of ridiculous. I think I've been had in so many ways. I might be a 'gullible good-guy' with 'bad-guy past-lives'. I just hope the circumstances justified any iniquities. I hope galactic-jurisprudence is ethical and effective long-term. Hope Springs Eternal.

    Perhaps I've mistakenly played the 'Contrarian Card' in my feeble efforts to create a controversial discussion with Sirius-Researchers (and NOT with the General Public). Perhaps I should've simply watched from the shadows Right From the Beginning. What Would Pat Buchannan Write?? Perhaps I should lose the act, and just post my own words without stage props. This thing is too high-tech to keep up with. Perhaps attempting to keep up is a grave and fatal error. What if Carol is correct concerning painting in nature?? Or perhaps I should Fiddle While Rome is Quarantined. What will become of that May Unity Conference at the Vatican?? Should We Seek Peace at Any Price?? Should We Seek Technological Extermination?? Would the Universe Bask in Peace and Justice?? I didn't sleep well, so perhaps I'll attempt to sleep for a couple of hours prior to making the coffee and going for a walk. Should I Stop Being an Angry Old Man?? Should I Support the Military-Industrial Complex?? Should I Support the Top One-Percent?? Should I Condemn Conspiracy-Theorists?? Should I Support Whoever Has the Most Fame, Fortune, and Power??  

    Oh My God!! What if God IS One of Us?? What if God ISN'T One of Us?? What if god Invented God?? What if God invented god?? What if GOD Invented SEX?? What if Everyone would HATE the Real-Deal God?? What if God isn't God-Enough for Us?? What if God Doesn't Have the Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything?? Is It Really THAT Hard to Say "I Don't Know"?? What if God is a Noble-Agnostic with Responsible-Neutrality?? What if God Evolved and Subsequently Created Humanity?? What Would the 'Heathen God' Do?? What Would George Zebrowski Write?? What if the Universe is Stranger Than We CAN Think?? What if God Doesn't Believe in God?? What if god Doesn't Believe in God?? What if God Doesn't Believe in god?? Is God in the Bible Really 'LOVE'?? What if God MUST Be 'BAD@SS'?? What if this Solar System is an Experiment within an Experiment within an Experiment?? What if Atheist v Christian is a False-Dichotomy?? What Would an Alien from Sirius Say?? What Would 'Pinky and the Brain' Say?? What if I Should Write a Book About Being a Patient in a Mental-Hospital (Being Made-Insane by the Secret-Government and Secretly-Posting on 'The Mists of Avalon')?? What if I Should Sit-Down and Shut-Up?? They Have Ways to Make Me Stop.

    I've intended my threads for the Deep-State Gods and Goddesses, and I'm sure their computers instantly load even my heaviest pages. When people can't load my tripe it might be providential. In five-years everyone will claim they always knew this stuff, but its probably too soon for most to know now. Most people will probably need to learn the hard-way. I'll try to silently lurk in the shadows. 2020 to 2050 might be a Slow-Burn End of the World. That wouldn't surprise me, but Hope Springs Eternal. I fully understand 'honest and thorough' and 'positive-thinking and self-esteem'. I get it, but I've tried to open the hood of the broken-down car, and actually work on the engine, burning myself, cutting myself, and breaking a finger or two (with zero-compensation and huge-trouble). I could've kept the hood closed, and just washed and polished the car, admiring the shine, but knowing full-well that the engine wouldn't work without massive repairs.

    I'm trying very-hard to stop posting and talking, and just watch things play out. But then people will weep, wail, and gnash their teeth when the excrement contacts the blower, claiming "Nobody Warned Me!" and "How Was I Supposed to Know?!" and "I Wish I'd Known!" and "Its Not My Fault!" and "Its All Your Fault!" and "You Don't Care!" and "Are You Happy Now?" and "You Didn't Do Anything!"!! Meanwhile, somebody will be getting filthy-rich using my tripe for fame, fortune, and power in a fraudulent and opportunistic manner. That's my prophecy, but then I'm not a prophet or even a son of a prophet. My intentions are to research and reflect-upon undisclosed-topics without saying or doing anything. In retrospect, I should've become a Mason, and done a Minimalist Robert H. Schuller Ministry, with financial-support from the Los Angeles Financial-Elite, but its too-late now, and too-much water has gone under the bridge. Sorry for the Rant, but I guess I'm attempting to Face-Reality Regarding Why Things Are the Way They Are in 'Purgatory Incorporated'.


    I don't have actual pain, but I'm miserable and hamstrung, and its getting worse. My present theory is that I'm not from around here which is why my coding is wrong and why I originally tried to think in Heavenly terms when Earth is clearly existing in Purgatory Incorporated. Imagine Mother Teresa attempting to rule the Mafia!! That would be a monumental mismatch. I suspect there is an ancient automated control system which might be impossible to rewrite or override. In fact, the Matrix-Architect might be just as subject to the Matrix as anyone else (and perhaps even more so). We might exist in a compartmentalized universe to keep us from destroying each other. A Prison Solar System might keep us from Universe-Conquest. It might also keep us from being exterminated by REALLY Bad@$$ Ancient-Enemies. The Solar-Thing might involve an Out of Control Solar System which is Majorly in Conflict with the Real-Deal Universe-God (or something to that effect) and is soon to be terminated or vastly reined-in by bringing certain (or all) planets closer to the Sun via Planetary-Propulsion reminiscent of the Pod-Propulsion in 2001: A Space Odyssey. Consider God's Day of Judgment by Douglas Vogt regarding a catastrophic solar-event around A.D. 2046. I suspect the Matrix reined me in throughout my life to maintain a homeostatic referee status quo in Purgatory Incorporated. What if the Matrix controls All Concerned and Unconcerned through Electronics, Toxins, Entities, and Who-Knows-What?? I'm playing with Burning Magnesium with my Religious and Political Science-Fiction. I don't know what I want, and I mostly wish to simply read a couple of newspapers and exercise in nature. I think I've had my chance and failed miserably. I might wallow in the madness but don't expect much from me. I really did have a stroke two years ago, and my health concerns are not over by a longshot. We might know very little regarding the ancient and modern power-struggles in this solar system, galaxy, and universe. I might be filled with toxins, chips, nanobots, and all manner of corruption. I might have zero chance of gaining much traction during the remainder of This Present Incarnation (or something to that effect). There are a couple of fringe voices who might not be righteous, but they seem to know a hell of a lot more than I do, so I sometimes attempt to think their thoughts after them (even though they might be casting subliminal spells against the weak-minded and weak-willed). Sorry, I need to sleep. This Spiritual Quicksand is Getting Me Down.

    I'll make this short and anything but sweet. I suspect we're screwed on so many levels. Judeo-Christianity, Awake-Awareness, and Secular-Humanism are SO Overrated. Perhaps we live in Freedom from God (as Absentee-Landlord) with HAL and SAL keeping us alive (physically and spiritually) until we get it right and become Good Boys and Girls and Travel the Universe (or something to that effect). I might have little to say (on the internet and elsewhere). Surgery is in my near-future but I don't want to talk about it. I know a seven-year-old girl with brain-cancer (with limited surgical-options). I'm not a positive-thinker or negative-thinker. I'm sort of a Chad Decker 'Mr. In-Between'. I'm trying to face reality without going off the metaphysical deep-end. Reasonable-Ignorance: Oxymoron or Wave of the Future?? I Need to Sleep and I'm Too Sad, Fat, Old, Poor, Ugly, Sick, and Stupid to Get Laid. O Wretched Man That I Am (Just As I Am). Namaste'.

    I've steered-clear of the execution-stuff, mostly because I don't know what's really going on. I don't wish to defend the guilty, but what safeguards exist to detect and prevent corrupted kangaroo-courts in Gitmo and other locations?? What about 'public-trials' and 'life in prison' rather than 'secret-tribunals' and 'execution without appeal' (for starters)?? I'm not an attorney, but this stuff scares me. What if the general-public will be spied-upon, secretly-poisoned, herded into prison-camps, and who knows what (especially without probable-cause and due-process)?? The takeover by a powerful-faction could change everything without humanity knowing what the hell is going on. One AI System might overthrow another AI System and no-one would know (until it was too-late)!! What if we are dealing with 23 Ancient-Factions (or 23 ET Races) who constantly fight for money and power in this solar system (and possibly beyond)?? I've thought about writing science-fiction along these lines, but it scares me too-much to proceed. Plus, I prefer a less dramatic and sensational approach to life, the universe, and everything. I'm mostly leaning toward reading boring-books in silent-obscurity. I'm detecting ongoing and malicious spying, lying, and arrogant meddling with the general-public, but I SO Hope I'm Mistaken. There will be hell to pay when everyone finds out what everyone has been up to (possibly for thousands, millions, and billions of years). Do they record and analyze the general-public when they do whatever they do in the bedroom and bathroom?? What if this has been going-on on an ongoing-basis (possibly for thousands, millions, and billions of years)?? That could get ugly (to say the least). I must go incognito before I further anger the ever-lurking secret-authorities (but I've said too-much already).

    I don't venture too-close to the 'tribunals and executions' stuff. I treat what little I know in a mostly science-fictional manner, but what if high-profile and top one-percent individuals have access to consciousness-downloading and body-replacing clones, such that being removed changes one into someone else, or a younger version of who they were (or variations on that general theme). I've been hearing about this stuff for years. The technology might be much more sophisticated than we can imagine. The high-profile bad guys and gals might party on the Moon for all-eternity (or something to that effect).
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    All of my posts are Religious and Political Science-Fiction (to greater or lesser extents). My "rant" post(s) might contain material I utilize as exhibits to illustrate principles and concepts. Sometimes the reactions are priceless. I recently encountered a Nimitz individual, which made me think of when I first viewed The Final Countdown in a theater with a Nimitz photographer, who excitedly told me who he knew (in real-life) as the movie unfolded!! This also made me think of the 'Tic-Tac' UFO incident!! Over the years, I've spoken with several submarine captains, but I don't want to talk about it. In 2010, I witnessed what appeared to be a real-live UFO dogfight, which seemed to result in an exploding spaceship!! HONEST. Sorry about the language overlay in the movie, but its free, for now!! Just mute it and listen to your favorite music!! I've repeatedly driven next to the Nimitz and Delta Pier unaccompanied (pre 9/11) but I don't want to talk about it. [Hi Guys. Bye Guys.] I'm only a quarter of the way through the Blue Roller material, and the best was yet to come, but I'm bringing this to a screeching halt. I never know who I'm really dealing with (including myself). The internet is the Wild West. I mostly wish to stop. I expressed that sort of thing when 'RA' ended our communication. It was quick, to the point, and matter of fact. 'RA' told me, "I'm Sorry We Couldn't Work Together. Too Much Water Has Gone Under the Bridge" three days prior to Fukushima. That was That and the Rest was History.

    What is the long-term solution for all of us?? Must we think in a cold and calculating manner?? The militaries of the world undoubtedly know what I'm talking about, but who do they answer to?? My mom has a friend who has had at least twenty or thirty brain-surgeries (without exaggeration). I know a little-girl with brain-cancer who is regularly treated close to where you live. Prevention is Preferable, yet the same old Drugs and Surgery Medical Treatment is used by even the most conscientious adherents to Natural-Living, Preventive-Medicine, and Natural-Treatment. The religious organization I grew-up in was supposedly founded upon Prevention and Natural-Treatment but Creating Millionaires in Loma Linda is SO Much More Profitable!! For the Doctors and Preachers, working on the Sabbath is no big deal. I'm not sure what brought this on. Realistically, I was intrigued by Blue Roller's brash approach, which was often quite knowledgeable. His approach was not my approach, but I told him I was a bit envious. He seemed surprised. I've tried to understand the seemingly unfathomable. Decades ago, a California politician's son told me he appreciated me attempting to understand. Two weeks prior to the Britney Spears Conservatorship Hearing, I randomly learned that he is the Hon. Terry A. Bork, Judge for the Los Angeles County Superior Court in California. He was appointed to the bench in 2007 by former governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. Nice. BTW, "Free Britney!!" A year or two ago, I believe I encountered Britney a couple of times (but I'm not sure). I try to be accurate and honest, but I never really know. I include this sort of thing without making a bigdeal about it.



    What if David Bowman is the Victim of a HAL 9000 Conservatorship?? I remember Luke Ford as a child in the Pacific Union College Science-Complex while his father, Dr. Desmond Ford, lectured to a highly educated class in a perfect-tension of grandiose-reflection. Ford had a Better Idea. Is it coincidental that both Luke and I suffered from chronic-fatigue, loss of faith, unorthodox-expression, and fringe-scholarship?? What if both of us were (and are) targeted by the dark side?? What if we both had important lessons to learn in unlikely contexts?? Is it coincidental that I kept talking about living in a 600 square-foot office-apartment while Luke actually lived in a 300 square-foot office-apartment for at least a decade?? We both have a dry sense of humor. Anyway, think about Luke and Me while you watch The Nostradamus Kid and The Brides of Christ. Luke's father campaigned against the Traditional SDA Investigative Judgment Doctrine while I think I might've unlocked an Expanded Investigative-Judgment Concept which includes an Ancient to Modern Universe-Wide Supercomputer-Matrix Governance-Modality. I've provided a lot of clues, but if you don't do your homework, don't bother attempting to figure this out. I pull my punches to an excruciating extent. My threads are sort of a 'Q' phenomenon wherein I beat around the Burning Bush without blurting things out. My threads are NOT for the General-Public. They are mostly for Those in the Know. The Jesuits Know What I'm Talking About but They Don't Talk About It. Knowing and Thinking One Knows are Two Very-Different Things. Researchers Beware. Luke and Orthodoxymoron Were Born to Blog.




    I'd prefer to be mainstream-successful rather than narrow and strait-laced but "Narrow is the way leading to life. Few find it." Dr. Louis Venden told me, "Don't Be Too Definite. People Who Are Too Definite Go Off." I should probably circle the wagons around Acts of the Apostles (EGW) and Volume 6 (Acts to Ephesians) of the SDA Bible Commentary, but probably NO-ONE (including the SDA's) would resonate with THAT. Why Should I Bother?? Seemingly, no matter how one puts things together, it's always ultimately wrong. Might That Be Why the Creator Created the Matrix in Antiquity?? Perhaps God Had a Nasty Job but Someone Had to Do It. Perhaps Vengeance Belongs to the Lord, But He and/or She Delegates. I'm half-joking and half-serious. What Would Al Bielek Say?? Theodicy and Eschatology continue to puzzle and horrify me. What Would Bart Ehrman Say?? It's as if God is an Absentee-Landlord. What Would Blanche Barton Say?? Humanity Seeks Freedom, Yet They Want a God. Not to be Told by God, but rather to Tell God What to Do!! We Seem to Want It Both Ways!! Sort of like the Banksters getting bailed-out by the Taxpayers (and giving themselves millions or billions of dollars of bonuses)!! Is That Freedom at Work?? Freedom Seems to be a Two-Edged Sword. Is there a safety-net in this solar system?? Did someone turn-off the safety-net?? What are the Implications and Ramifications of Freedom From God?? Perhaps the Cabal Knows God Exists yet Do NOT Believe in God!! Perhaps God Does NOT Believe in Them!! Perhaps this applies to the majority of humanity. Who Knows?? Dr. Who?? Regarding Mantids, I once saw what looked like a Mantid about 40 feet away for about 4 seconds. Honest. It might've been a deer on its hind-legs!! Who Knows?? I probably shouldn't talk about such things. People already think I'm crazy. Crazy David?? But supposedly King David never existed (along with everyone else in the Bible)!! Who Knows?? The Shadow?? How do we properly distinguish between cover-story and real-story?? How do we properly distinguish between historical-fiction and absolute-history?? What if none of the generally accepted choices are the real-deal?? What if this is the Nature of the Matrix??
    Micjer wrote:
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    Nice summary of what is going on in Ukraine.
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Terrific Video!! What if the 'Deep-State' already owns everything on this map, and is in the process of 'Coming Out of the Closet' as the 'Veil is Lifted'?? Consider this Babylon 5 video. Notice '2025' and 'Iraq' ('Babylon'). Read Between the Lines. I'm ending my posting, but I'll leave this post for a few minutes before I delete it. Insiders know what I'm talking about, but they don't talk about it. Here's a few more videos. This thing could get REALLY Nasty.
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    REGARDING REGENCY AND CONSERVATORSHIP: CONSIDER BRITNEY SPEARS, DAVID BOWMAN, CHAD DECKER, QUEEN VICTORIA, AND JUPITER JONES. I'LL KEEP YOU GUESSING. What if there is an Ancient Artificial-Intelligence Supercomputer-Matrix which assimilates ALL Contenders and Systems?? Think about the Borg-Queen and the Borg. Think about Anna and the V's. Think about Matthew 4 relative to Matthew 28 and 1 Corinthians 15:24-28. What if the High-Tech Gods and Goddesses will ultimately be assimilated into the Hive-Mind?? Consider Daniel 7-12. What if the System ultimately controls the Best and Worst of Us?? What if Resistance is Ultimately Futile?? What if We Can't Win?? What if the KJV and EGW are ultimately diabolical (even if they were initially well-intentioned as matrix-modifiers)?? I've been receiving increasingly nasty comments (perhaps as it is perceived that I'm no good)!! Does modeling the problem while attempting to expose the problem ultimately make one the next scapegoat in a long-line of the vanquished?? Many years ago, a relative told me, "All You Want to do is Destroy." A few years ago, a little, old-lady told me, "God is Going to KILL You." A complete-stranger hostile-woman nastily said, "Stubborn to the End!!" A haggard-looking man told me, "You Never Listen!!" 'RA' told me, "You'll Show Your Bad-Side!" and "You'll be Sorry If You Try to Save Humanity!" and "You're Lucky to be Alive!" and "I'm Tired of Keeping You Alive!" and "You Can Choose to Keep Things the Way They Are!" I could go on and on, but consider the Genesis of the Singularity. Consider the Architect of the Matrix. Consider the Cleansing of the Sanctuary. Consider Why the Sanctuary is Central. What if the Sanctuary is the Matrix?? What Would Elon Musk Say?? What Would Bill Gates Say?? Why Do I Bother?? Why Write a Book?? Why Take the Show On the Road?? I don't know why I randomly-constructed the posts on this page. I sometimes imagine myself as a Neo David Bowman interacting with HAL 9000 in a somewhat contrarian manner, conceptualizing a Matrix-Mosaic and/or Pluralistic-Potpourri!! The car-racing videos seemed to capture a perfect-tension conducive to grandiose-reflection.
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    My threads are mostly Religious and Political SCIENCE-FICTION. Does ANYONE Need Me to EXPLAIN?? Consider the relationship between Cover-Stories and Historical-Fiction. What if Most History Mostly Involves Cover-Stories and Historical-Fiction?? What if this is more important than most of us can imagine?? I rarely post on the threads of other forum-members, so as not to become a Pain in Uranus. When 'RA' told me (a dozen years ago), "You Will Manifest Your Bad-Side" was the Matrix "Turning Up the Heat"?? What if President Biden (and others) are MADE to Screw-Up by the Dark-Side?? Probably a Dozen Years Ago, a Prominent 9/11 Truther told me, "US Presidents Will Become Worse and Worse." Accident or Design?? Consider viewing images and videos of the English Royals. I'm mostly neutral toward them, and I'm more interested in Victorian England (and not because of any particular virtues or vices). It's simply interesting (for me) to compare North America and the United Kingdom in the 19th Century (for better or worse, I know not). Again, as I feel more and more miserable and hamstrung, my competency (if I ever had any) is becoming greatly diminished, so expect the worst from me. I intended this crazy context to MAKE US THINK (but I seem to have miserably failed). Doctor Who Blue Boy = Matrix Architect = Rich Young Ruler = Matrix Emissary Warden = Prince of Sirius = Archangel Michael?? Don't take this too Siriusly. Consider the relationship between Antichrist, Gabriel, Lucifer, Holy Spirit, Borg Queen, and Matrix Mediatrix. Consider a Dynamic Equilibrium of Paradise, Purgatory, and Perdition as a Homeostatic Potpourri of Concupiscence. I'm in a mood. I didn't intend this paragraph to be a rant. I might be number-one but I feel like number-two. I'm watching Atomic Blonde to lift my spirits and my ****!! I should meet with my favorite agents for coffee!! Femmes Fatale?? A childhood individual of interest called me 'King of the Girls' but the girls seemed to be allergic to me and I can't get no satisfaction (especially in my miserable and hamstrung condition)!! I accompanied a community theater actress to Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead rehearsals and performances with Barry Stern directing. He worked on a lot of TV directing and producing, including Charlie's Angels. I posted the image below without thinking about this. Then I thought about Charlize Angels just for fun!! There are three I'm thinking about. I need to shut-up as I go incognito (probably for all-eternity). I think this might be THAT Bad. RA told me, "It's Going to be Dark Where You're Going." I regularly drove RA and drank coffee with him at a couple of coffee houses for several months. He might've been a master of disguise and deception for thousands of years. RA told me, "I've Always Remained One Step Ahead of Humanity." You idiots have no idea who and/or what you're dealing with. Some of you completely ignorant fools will go completely insane. The End is Near. Good-Luck.
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    Former Governor Ronald Reagan was assaulted with a 'toy' gun on November 20, 1975. On November 21, 1975, at the Hollywood-Burbank Airport (Hanger #24), I watched and listened-to Ronald Reagan, completing a five-state campaign tour, one day after declaring his candidacy for the Republican Presidential Nomination in Washington D.C. The Missing Link In 1976, I was there when President Gerald Ford gave a speech in Glendale, California.

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    I'm shutting-down regarding alternative-research, and I've become somewhat jaded and cynical, but these videos caused me to think of some seemingly crazy possibilities regarding past, present, and future. What if Charlotte Keppel's Chronoscope simply played videos from an Ancient to Modern YouTube Repository?? Sherry Shriner once claimed that there was an audio and video record of the 'Invasion of the Solar System' securely stored by the 'White-Reptilians Under the Gobi Desert'!! Honest. Bill Cooper claimed there was a video record of the 'Crucifixion of Christ'!! Honest. 'RA' told me "You Did It with YouTube"!! Honest. One of the cast-aside SDA doctrines is the 'Investigative Judgment' involving the examination of everyone's past to determine whether they are 'Saved' or 'Lost'. I've developed my own 'Investigative Judgment' theories which are quite different than the SDA version. Astronaut Edgar Mitchell spoke with me about the 'Survival of Information' rather than the 'Survival of the Soul' regarding 'Life After Death'. I've wondered about 'Reincarnation' throughout my adult life, but I've never gotten involved with 'Regression-Hypnosis' or 'Spiritualistic-Experiences'. I'm an apathetic and passive pseudo-researcher. I mostly turn everything-crazy into science-fiction. Al Bielek spoke of visiting A.D. 2137 and A.D. 2749 by watching a futuristic television. A movie with Meryl Streep 'Defending Your Life' involved 'YouTube Views of the Past' (or something to that effect). The Dr. Who 'Trial of a Timelord' in the mid 1980's involved a similar concept in an original 'Matrix'. Note Carol's thread 'Return of the Star People' which includes the incredible story of a former member of the Secret Space Program. I have theories about that occurrence which are different than that contained within the video. I continue to suspect that most-everything has been audio and video recorded for tens of thousands of years (at least in this particular solar-system) but I can't prove it. What Would HAL 9000 Say?? What Would David Bowman Say?? What Would Peter Venkman Say?? I'm not finding anything about Charlotte Keppel, which might mean she didn't exist, or that she was removed from history. As always, I treat all of this fringe-stuff as science-fiction, yet I made a couple of connections and speculations in connection with Charlotte Keppel. It's somewhat liberating to NOT claim to have the TRUTH, and to simply post nonsense on a small website. But what if a lot of the nonsense eventually makes a HUGE amount of sense?? This website is sort of a Galactic-Backchannel. Consider the second to the last video. There's a comment which caught my eye. This might have 'plandemic' relevance and it might have 'soul scalping' relevance and it might have 'orthodoxymoron misery and hamstrung' relevance. I'm fearing the worst in the worst sort of ways.

    "My brother had been in Vietnam, and he went really wild when he came back for years. He started seeing a Rieki practitioner, who said there was something blocking lower chakras. She sent him to a Chinese herbalist who then gave him a powerful mix. 24 hours later he pooped what he said looked like little squid things. He suddenly became grounded and really prospered. The old Chinese guy said it was a parasite infestation common to Southeast Asia. He said they are very bad and interfere with life and vibration."

    Consider Ivermectin (with variations on that theme). Consider neurotoxins produced by parasites. Consider sorcery relative to drugs and/or toxins. Consider the 2013 movie World War Z. I fear that my 'contact' with 'RA' might've incurred the wrath of the nether realms and made me a miserable vegetable in the first instance and a Manchurian candidate in the second instance (or something to that effect). Consider the many Sherry Shriner Shows. Consider The Gods of Eden by William Bramley. I'm not an expert and I'm allergic to a lot of occult stuff even though I produce wild posts on this very website. Consider the last video regarding 'Time Machines'. What if the 'Matrix' is a universe-wide 'Time Machine' with everything recorded by a hypothetical 'Supercomputer Matrix'. Some have speculated that UFO's are 'Time Machines'. One More Thing. I Recently Encountered a Young and Beautiful Tall-Blond Who Looked Me in the Eye with a 'Goddess Look'. This might've been Charlize Theron. See the Atomic Blonde Post Below. Notice the Central Cafe Card and David, the Traitorous Station Chief. I wonder who I encounter online and in real life?! I suspect the ancient gods and goddesses crossed the artificial-intelligence intelligent-design bridge billions of years ago and put the genie back in the bottle, but the contemporary gods and goddesses are attempting to re-open the Forbidden Bottle aka Pandora's Box. We might not survive much longer. Creation and Extinction might be Cyclical. I might not have much longer to miserably speculate on how screwed humanity is. I often experience vague-hostility as I attempt to face-reality in a science-fictional manner. I HATE the way I think and feel. I HATE My Life. Now I'm going to make the coffee and read from Volumes 3 and 4 (I Chronicles to Malachi) of the SDA Bible Commentary. Consider focusing upon Job to Daniel. It's a nasty task but someone must do it!!

    Consider Atomic Blonde, Mulholland Drive, and Gia. I don't intend to be moralistic, but consider the lesbian relationships in each of these movies, along with the partner similarities. Years ago, Sherry Shriner spoke of Lucifer having a relationship with Angelina (on-set or off-set, I know not). I took all of Sherry's shows with a sea of salt, but she seemed to know way too-much. Consider the violent witchcraft themes in a lot of movies of the past twenty years. Notice that I travel perilously close to the dark-side which probably angers and alarms the good and bad factions. My heart is going crazy. Did I get messed-with again?? This might be the end. Probably all major factions have major reasons for shutting me up. I'm mostly low-key and pull my punches but I might push someone over the edge. RA told me the Jesuits didn't like me, which is probably hazardous to my health, but I still don't know exactly why they might hate me. I have some theories, but they are just theories. What's creepy is that no-one provides warnings to me. My hamstrung misery is NO JOKE. My situation would drive at least 87% of humanity completely insane if they were in my shoes. My battles are mostly internal. What's strange is that I've personally encountered at least three actresses who starred in the above movies. Sherry seemed to know who I was (in a round-about way). BTW, think about Jackie Kennedy and Mary Pinchot Meyer. In all cases, I'm mostly neutral regarding the rich and famous. I mostly treat them as if they were just like everyone else. My parents worked closely with a lot of rich and famous people, and I've been around a lot of them myself for decades. I think my posting has angered some of them, but I'm mostly attempting to understand. I realize this is probably one more lost-cause, which is why I mostly just wish to shut-up and walk-away from nearly everyone and everything. Perhaps I am some sort of a hated Galactic Emissary Warden with a Divine-Right to be a Pain in Uranus. Again, I hint at a lot of things without providing a lot of details. I just know that the Agencies and Jesuits know more about me than I could ever know about myself, and they're not necessarily nice people, especially when they get leaned on. Big-Brother and Big-Mother get right to the point. Some of you know what I'm talking about. The Horror.

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    Doctor Who Blue Boy = Matrix Emissary Warden = Prince of Sirius = Rich Young Ruler?
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    Carol wrote:45 years ago I had a personal encounter with Jesus (Christ). There are no words to describe this experience other than to say one can be a believer or not. One can know from direct experience or not. To know from direct experience eliminates any and all doubt to what it is to directly experience Christ Consciousness. Compassion, forgiveness / complete acceptance, love. To live in Christ Consciousness is to live a life of self-less service in helping others. Being self-centered just means one has yet to personally experience "Christ Consciousness".
    Thank-you, Carol and Ashera. I know I don't know, and it's getting worse as I go downhill physically, mentally, and spiritually. I get idealism and I get pragmatism. I've had mountain-top Christ-Consciousness experiences, but I've always had the nagging realization that things are both good and bad in an often violent and contradictory world of horror and insanity. My threads often make me look like a crazy bad guy who should be scorned and shunned. Facing Reality is SO Overrated. Perhaps Christ-Consciousness should be divorced from the Holy-Bible as sort of a New-Age Jesus. I am conflicted regarding the following simplified New Testament 'Groups', namely 1. Luke. 2. John. 3. Acts. 4. Romans to Jude. 5. Revelation. There is an odd compartmentalization. I've wondered about The Quest of the Historical Jesus in Acts to Revelation. I understand Cover-Stories and Historical-Fiction relative to Absolute Truth and History. Earth seems to be Purgatory Incorporated (for better or worse, I know not). I don't think Heaven, Purgatory, and Hell are necessarily what people believe them to be. Strict definitions are instructive. I get the idealism of the major posters in this forum, yet most of the posts are ultimately negative and even horrific at times. I enjoyed what seemed to be the insider-revelations of Sherry Shriner, but I saw red-flags everywhere in all of her shows. I have my theories regarding all the above.

    From early childhood, I knew we were in trouble, and I tried to be idealistic. I tried to not know the gory details. Even then, things went downhill at a frightening pace. After 9/11 (and especially with internet participation) things became almost unbearable. It's much worse now. I'm semi-retired and semi-vegetative (following my stroke, or whatever it really was). I probably need to write some sort of a book to help make ends meet, but actual publication scares the hell out of me. Plus, my threads are probably much more revealing and explanatory than any book could possibly be, yet the interest is nearly non-existent. I've joked about having my tripe analyzed by Dr. Michael Salla, Dr. Andrew G. Hodges, and Brigadier General, Dr. Loree Sutton, in cooperation with Alex Collier, Paola Harris, and our very-own Carol, probably reminiscent of Jesus, An Interview Across Time: A Psychiatrist Looks at HIS Humanity. The title might be Orthodoxymoron: An Interview Across Time: A Psychiatrist Looks at His Insanity. I realize this sounds insane, but it seems to go with the territory. Ultimately, this might be a no-win situation for all-concerned. No one would understand. Anyway, I digress.

    Somewhat unrelatedly, what if there is no center to hold?? What if the souls in all solar systems will be at sea for all eternity?? What if attempted centers will rise and fall as fickle tides beat upon the rocks of infidelity?? I don't know if I got that right, but it sounded cool. What if the spirit of the age is illusive and deceptive?? What if the Borg Queen is the Matrix Mediatrix?? What if 87% of us will go completely insane in the near future?? What if this thing is worse than we can imagine?? I might need to wind my life down as I analyze the territory I've already covered (in and out of this website). I wish I could somehow collaborate with Drs. Salla, Hodges, Sutton, and others, in Orthodoxymoron: An Interview Across Time: A Psychiatrist Looks at His Insanity. This might be reminiscent of Agent Salt interviewing the Russian Spy in the movie SALT. Actually, consider a hypothetical interview with the Angel Gabriel and Emissary Warden David in the movie Constantine. Did ANYONE catch the intricacies of that library scene with Gabriel arguing with John?? What is the REAL Story of that Catholic Priest as Emissary Warden David?? What Would David Bowman Say?? What Would HAL 9000 Say??

    Take this with a Sea of Salt. Sherry Shriner spoke of a large number of VIP's visiting India around 2008, allegedly attending a humiliation ceremony in a cave, supposedly involving Obama naked on a cross. Her words, not mine. I doubt the story, and I had mostly forgotten about it, but later, she recounted a short version of that story, seemingly saying 'Indio' instead of 'India' starting at 10:45 of The Missing Link This was Sherry's last show before she supposedly died. There's another 'Indio' angle (with a familiar sounding voice, calling from Indio into an Art Bell interview with Blanche Barton at 02:07:20) which might be relevant. The Missing LinkToday, I watched the sixth video (below) which made me think of the aforementioned story. This is probably an impossible long shot. Perhaps unrelatedly, a well-known SDA pastor (with insider parents) tells of living naked in a cave (pre-conversion) near Palm Springs. Consider 'Merlin's Cave' relative to 'The Dark Side of Camelot'. Consider Satanism and the Inland Empire. There's also a story of Obama being sort of 'out of it' prior to entering a room where Latin chanting was heard and emerging a completely different person with renewed vitality (but I can't recall the source). I might delete this post. We're running out of time to get this right but hope springs eternal.

    I believe I've been highly tampered with and compromised, as if this were some sort of a test and/or power struggle (possibly of a cosmic and/or galactic nature). I could explain, but I'd rather not. As I continue to go downhill, there might not be much left of my body, mind, and soul. This whole thing might be worse than we can imagine. I receive flashes of insight (especially while I'm researching and posting on the internet) but this isn't exactly a marketable job skill. I've said too much, and as always, I regret being open and honest (when everything I say and do or don't say and do) can (and will) be used against me in the Supercomputer-Matrix Investigative-Judgment with the Borg Queen aka Matrix Mediatrix presiding. Don't Take This Too Siriusly or Literally. What Would Gabriel Say and Do??

    My 'trust' level is close to zero. I especially do NOT trust myself. "The Heart of Man is Desperately Wicked! Who Can Know It?" This thing can be spun in just about any manner and direction. My threads are mostly contextual rather than conclusive. Regarding the above book concept, it would probably be a bad idea which would erupt into a fiasco for all concerned and unconcerned. Still, I find the general idea intriguing. This might involve a closed-door version of this. The real PTB might be more untouchable than we can imagine. This whole thing seems ancient and nasty (overtly and covertly). Somewhat unrelatedly, I am also intrigued by the posthumous 1917 EGW book Prophets and Kings, the 1928 Book of Common Prayer, and the 1940 Episcopal Hymnal. You might need to analyze this for a few years. I try not to jump to conclusions, but I often do not succeed. Don't follow me. I'm lost too. Perhaps yet another version of 'V' would be interesting regarding all the above. I need to check myself before I wreck myself. Actually, I'm already a wreck. I feel as if I'm being increasingly poisoned and supernaturally harassed, perhaps with a high-tech twist as I twist slowly, slowly in the wind. Stop my friend as you pass by. As you are now, so once was I. As I am now, you will surely be. So, prepare yourself to follow me. I might not have gotten that quite right, but you hopefully get the point. What Would Oblio Say??

    Serious students should read Job through Jude in the KJV (straight through, over and over) before moving on to other material (including the rest of the Holy Bible) as a mental and spiritual exercise, regardless of how much of it is true (or is not true).  Most people (including the scholars) do not have the patience to do what I just suggested. I am having a difficult time doing it myself. I am having a difficult time doing much of anything. I often wish I had finished college, attended the Claremont School of Theology for graduate Jesus Studies and then joined the Center for Christian Bioethics at the Loma Linda University School of Religion (at some point in my career). I also regret not continuing singing in the Crystal Cathedral Choir while continuing organ lessons with Kimo Smith ("KS Bach"). It is too late now. I just wanted to get away from everything but then I discovered that most everything was BS and I never recovered. It does not pay to be hyper moralistic and strictly honest. It just does not pay. Dr. Louis Venden told me "people who are too definite go off" (with a wave of his arm) and he was certainly correct. The heavens fall when one stands for the right. The truth is SO overrated.

    I include a lot of SDA stuff, but I am not trying to convert anyone to anything. I simply wish for all of you to engage in some sort of a personal interdisciplinary research project. I am not attempting to tell anyone what to do. There is a time and place for everything, and I am in no position to speak with any authority on anything regardless of who I might've (or might not have) been in any previous incarnations (if there is some validity to the concept of reincarnation). You folks should consider the spectrum of SDA scholars over the past 100 years. The Jesuits know what I am talking about. Imagine arguing the theology of Dr. Graham Maxwell with the Jesuits on Mt. Graham! "What Shall We Talk About, Thou Cursed Judas?!" As a child, I lived close to the widow of M.L. Andreasen and I rode on the school bus with his granddaughter. Once, when Mrs. Andreasen was sick in bed I knelt beside the bed and prayed for her and she got well! I do not know the details but that is the story (and I am sticking to it). I am planning to read three of M.L. Andreasen's books. Should be interesting.

    Graham Maxwell and Ted Heppenstal differed with Herbert Douglass. Graham Maxwell, Paul Heubach, Jack Provonsha, Herbert Douglass and Dalton Baldwin opposed Desmond Ford and Ted Heppenstal. Desmond Ford was critical of Loma Linda University theology. Herbert Douglass emphasized the harvest principle. They disapproved of forensic theories of the atonement. Graham Maxwell was most opposed to it. They all believed the denomination overreacted to M.L. Andreasen. They were not Evangelicals as commonly understood. Jack Provonsha studied with Paul Tillich at Harvard. Graham Maxwell studied with Charles Hartshorne at the University of Chicago. Herbert Douglass wrote his dissertation on Brunner at Berkeley. I would rather consider Harry Anderson, Uncle Arthur S. Maxwell, and Dr. H.M.S. Richards, Sr. Unfortunately, the world, solar system, and universe are not that nice and simple. I used to read Uncle Arthur's Bedtime Stories. Now I read Bill Cooper's Bedtime Stories. I spent a lot of time listening to most of the people mentioned (including Dr. David Larson). I even had an interesting conversation with (who I think was) David's father (Ralph Larson). I appreciated Ralph's conservative views and David's moderate views, but I am in no one's camp which is why I live a very lonely and unhappy life.

    I once attended a lecture by Dr. Leonard Bailey where he showed images of the Baby Fae surgery. I attended a lot of lectures and public meetings intended mostly for doctors. Once again, I have been a nobody who has watched a lot of somebodies, without any of it rubbing off. One Saturday night, I scrubbed up, and watched Dr. Robert L. Marsh do an emergency appendectomy. It was sort of cool. I still think that prevention should be the foundation of healthcare. Has it ever been the foundation? Will it ever be the foundation? Follow the money and do the math. I publicly questioned the United States Assistant Secretary of Health Robert E. Windom, MD about the percentage of total healthcare expenditures specifically used for prevention. Dr. Windom did not know, and the moderator said it was "a complicated question". Now that I understand more about how things really work in this world, I understand (clearly and painfully) why that was a "complicated question". Are we headed toward a Corporate High-Technology Luciferian Theocracy? I have attempted to combine science, politics, religion, and science fiction (for better or worse, I know not). Some of you might find This Present Quest interesting and enlightening, but I am not pushing any of this. I am just trying to help all of us think.

    My perception is that my threads have zero traction. They are tolerated but certainly not embraced. My threads probably would not exist if they weren't in their present context. My contrarian approach makes them necessary yet rejected. If they were presented elsewhere, they would be misunderstood and rejected. I perceive that everyone had their chance with me, in one way or another, probably thousands (or even millions) of years ago. I suspect that I didn't come here to change anything, but rather to understand everything. Even though this is a small fringe site, significant others silently observe in the shadows, perhaps a bit like poisonous snakes in the grass, waiting to strike at the opportune moment. Has probation closed?? Perhaps probation will never close. Perhaps that is the Nature of the Matrix. The End is Near?? Perhaps This Never Ends. Consider the Song That Doesn't End. I suspect that someone will embrace a thorough study of This Present Quest, but I doubt the results will ever be revealed. I suspect Purgatory in Perpetuity (for better or worse, I know not).

    Consider the 'rich young ruler' image (above) and the similarity of my Dr. Who Blue Boy avatar. That 'ruler' image was front and center in the now demolished Irwin Hall of Pacific Union College. I witnessed the Desmond Ford 'Investigative Judgment' forum lecture there with probably a thousand people. We survivors should form a support group with yearly reunions. My posts are mostly irreverent non-scholarly religious and political science-fiction. My posts and threads might mostly be for me. They might not mean much to others. I might not even get my own posts. Still, some alphabet interns might be surprised by what emerges. I'm seeking some sort of protection from unknown threats, but I seem to be on my own as a persona non grata. I recently said, "I'm paranoid but that doesn't mean they're not out to get me." I was told, "We're not out to get you." Perhaps god got me. Perhaps I'll give this a rest for the rest of 2022. BTW, you don't hate me as much as I hate myself. I Hate My Life. Perhaps that's a Saving Grace. Hope Springs Eternal.



    Consider Job to Daniel v Acts to Revelation. I'll leave it up to you regarding how to proceed. Consider the obscure yet detailed in-house discussions (above). I can't keep up with these people (especially after my 'stroke'). It is quite awe-inspiring yet not really inspirational. I've spoken with Dr. Ron Graybill regarding avoiding 'All or Nothing' in the writings of Ellen White. He was stoically non-committal (which was to be expected). The video (below) makes me face who and what I could've and should've been but wouldn't and/or couldn't. Some have it and some don't. A doctor's wife told me that. One Saturday night, while in high-school, I scrubbed-up and observed Dr. Robert Lee Marsh performing an emergency appendectomy at the Glendale Adventist Medical Center, the hospital I was born in. The wife of R.R. Beitz was the nurse in the delivery-room when I emerged into this world. That might be a day which will live in infamy. The video (below) includes a lot of names and places I walked away from. This hurts like hell, and this might be a fitting time to leave all of you, mostly because I'm not good enough. Only the Best Are Good Enough. I had my chance. I'm feeling and thinking really bad, and the end might be near. This feels deliberately inflicted. Perhaps I should get the message. Someone recently told me I should leave. Perhaps I should leave this solar system for all-eternity. Perhaps that was the plan from the foundation of the world. Who Knows?? Dr. Who?? That's It. I'm Done. Good-Luck and God-Bless. Namaste and Godspeed. Have a Nice Eternity.
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    Easter 2020, 10.182 C.A.

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    If it was after this stupid people scientific work and art were not possible; parish, church and gossip would rule, and the witches hunted from here to eternity... the outcome was an excrement...


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    Thank-you, Ashera, for the Atomic Blonde Heads-Up!! I watched it twice, and it was extremely violent and well-done!! I appologize for placing a lot of Atomic Blonde posting in my prior posts. Perhaps that's artistic-license. I was mostly attempting to end the thread, but I couldn't resist capping it off with a few additional posts. I encourage Sirius Researchers to seriously study my last half-dozen USSS threads, but it might honestly drive some of you completely insane. Researchers Beware. I Am NOT Joking. The Jokes Are Over, Folks...


    Moral Responsibility

    First published Wed Oct 16, 2019

    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/moral-responsibility/


    Making judgments about whether a person is morally responsible for her behavior, and holding others and ourselves responsible for actions and the consequences of actions, is a fundamental and familiar part of our moral practices and our interpersonal relationships.

    The judgment that a person is morally responsible for her behavior involves—at least to a first approximation—attributing certain powers and capacities to that person, and viewing her behavior as arising (in the right way) from the fact that the person has, and has exercised, these powers and capacities. Whatever the correct account of the powers and capacities at issue (and canvassing different accounts is the task of this entry), their possession qualifies an agent as morally responsible in a general sense: that is, as one who may be morally responsible for particular exercises of agency. Normal adult human beings may possess the powers and capacities in question, and non-human animals, very young children, and those suffering from severe developmental disabilities or dementia (to give a few examples) are generally taken to lack them.

    To hold someone responsible involves—again, to a first approximation—responding to that person in ways that are made appropriate by the judgment that she is morally responsible. These responses often constitute instances of moral praise or moral blame (though there may be reason to allow for morally responsible behavior that is neither praiseworthy nor blameworthy: see McKenna 2012: 16–17 and M. Zimmerman 1988: 61–62). Blame is a response that may follow on the judgment that a person is morally responsible for behavior that is wrong or bad, and praise is a response that may follow on the judgment that a person is morally responsible for behavior that is right or good.

    It should be noted at the outset that the above schema, while useful, may be misleading in certain respects. For one thing, it suggests a correspondence and symmetry between praise and blame that may not exist. The two are certainly asymmetrical insofar as the attention given to blame far exceeds that given to praise. One reason for this is that blameworthiness, unlike praiseworthiness, is often taken to involve liability to a sanction. Thus, articulating the conditions of blameworthiness may seem to theorists the more pressing matter. Perhaps for related reasons, there is a richer language for expressing blame than praise (Watson 1996 [2004: 283]), and “blame” finds its way into idioms for which there is no ready parallel employing “praise”: compare “S is to blame for x” and “S is to praise for x”. Note, as well, that “holding responsible” is itself not a neutral expression: it typically arises in blaming contexts (Watson 1996 [2004: 284]). Additionally, there may be asymmetries in the contexts in which praise and blame are appropriate: private blame is a more familiar phenomenon than private praise (Coates & Tognazzini 2013a), and while minor wrongs may reasonably earn blame, minimally decent behavior often seems insufficient for praise (see Eshleman 2014 for this and other differences between praise and blame). Finally, the widespread assumption that praiseworthiness and blameworthiness are at least symmetrical in terms of the capacities they require has also been questioned (Nelkin 2008, 2011; Wolf 1980, 1990). Like most work on moral responsibility, this entry will tend to focus on the negative side of the phenomenon; for more, see the entry on blame.

    A few other general observations about the concept of moral responsibility are in order before introducing particular conceptions of it. In everyday speech, one often hears references to people’s “moral responsibility” where the point is to indicate that a person has some duty or obligation—some responsibility—to which that person is required, by some standard, to attend. In this sense, we say, for example, that a lawyer has a responsibility (to behave in certain ways, according to certain standards) to his client. This entry, however, is concerned not with accounts that specify people’s responsibilities in the sense of duties and obligations, but rather with accounts of whether a person bears the right relation to her own actions, and their consequences, so as to be properly held accountable for them. (Unfortunately, this entry does not include discussion of some important topics related to moral responsibility, such as responsibility for omissions (see Clarke 2014, Fischer & Ravizza 1998, and Nelkin & Rickless 2017a) or collective responsibility (see the entry on collective responsibility and Volumes 30 and 38 of Midwest Studies in Philosophy).

    Moral responsibility should also be distinguished from causal responsibility. Causation is a complicated topic, but it is often fairly clear that a person is causally responsible for—that is, she is the (or a) salient cause of—some occurrence or outcome. However, the powers and capacities that are required for moral responsibility are not identical with an agent’s causal powers, so we cannot infer moral responsibility from an assignment of causal responsibility. Young children, for example, can cause outcomes while failing to fulfill the requirements for general moral responsibility, in which case it will not be appropriate to judge them morally responsible for, or to hold them morally responsible for, the outcomes for which they may be causally responsible. And even generally morally responsible agents may explain or defend their behavior in ways that call into question their moral responsibility for outcomes for which they are causally responsible. Suppose that S causes an explosion by flipping a switch: the fact that S had no reason to expect such a consequence from flipping the switch might call into question his moral responsibility (or at least his blameworthiness) for the explosion without altering his causal contribution to it. Having distinguished different senses of responsibility, unless otherwise indicated, “responsibility” will refer to “moral responsibility” (in the sense defined here) throughout the rest of this entry.

    Until fairly recently, the bulk of philosophical work on moral responsibility was conducted in the context of debates about free will, which largely concerned the various ways that (various sorts of) determinism might threaten free will and moral responsibility. A largely unquestioned assumption was that free will is required for moral responsibility, and the central questions had to do with the ingredients of free will and with whether their possession was compatible with determinism. Recently, however, the literature on moral responsibility has addressed issues that are of interest independently of worries about determinism. Much of this entry will deal with these latter aspects of the moral responsibility debate. However, it will be useful to begin with issues at the intersection of concerns about free will and moral responsibility.

    1. Freedom, Responsibility, and Determinism

    How is the responsible agent related to her actions; what power does she exercise over them? One (partial) answer is that the relevant power is a form of control, and, in particular, a form of control such that the agent could have done otherwise than to perform the action in question. This captures one commonsense notion of free will, and one of the central issues in debates about free will has been about whether possession of it (free will, in the ability-to-do-otherwise sense) is compatible with causal determinism (or with, for example, divine foreknowledge—see the entry on foreknowledge and free will).

    If causal determinism is true, then the occurrence of any event (including events involving human deliberation, choice, and action) that does in fact occur was made inevitable by—because it was causally necessitated by—the facts about the past (and the laws of nature) prior to the occurrence of the event. Under these conditions, the facts about the present, and about the future, are uniquely fixed by the facts about the past (and about the laws of nature): given these earlier facts, the present and the future can unfold in only one way. For more, see the entry on causal determinism.

    If possession of free will requires an ability to act otherwise than one in fact does, then it is fairly easy to see why free will has often been regarded as incompatible with causal determinism. One way of getting at this incompatibilist worry is to focus on the way in which performance of a given action should be up to an agent if he has the sort of free will required for moral responsibility. As the influential Consequence Argument has it (Ginet 1966; van Inwagen 1983: 55–105; Wiggins 1973), the truth of determinism seems to entail that an agent’s actions are not up to him since they are the unavoidable consequences of things over which the agent lacks control. Here is an informal summary of this argument from Peter van Inwagen’s important book, An Essay on Free Will (1983):

    If determinism is true, then our acts are the consequences of the laws of nature and events in the remote past. But it is not up to us what went on before we were born, and neither is it up to us what the laws of nature are. Therefore, the consequences of these things (including our present acts) are not up to us. (1983: 16)

    For an important argument that suggests that the Consequence Argument conflates different senses in which the laws of nature are not up to us, see David Lewis (1981). For more on incompatibilism and incompatibilist arguments, see the entries on free will, arguments for incompatibilism, and incompatibilist (nondeterministic) theories of free will, as well as Randolph Clarke (2003).

    Compatibilists maintain that free will (and/or moral responsibility) is possible even in a deterministic universe. Versions of compatibilism have been defended since ancient times. For example, the Stoics—Chryssipus, in particular—argued that the truth of determinism does not entail that human actions are entirely explained by factors external to agents; thus, human actions are not necessarily explained in a way that is incompatible with praise and blame (see Bobzien 1998 and Salles 2005 for Stoic views on freedom and determinism). Similarly, philosophers in the Modern period (such as Hobbes and Hume) distinguished the general way in which our actions are necessitated if determinism is true from the specific instances of necessity sometimes imposed on us by everyday constraints on our behavior (e.g., physical impediments that make it impossible to act as we choose). The difference is that the necessity involved in determinism is compatible with agents acting as they choose to act: even if S’s behavior is causally determined, it may be behavior that she chooses to perform. And perhaps the ability that matters for free will (and responsibility) is just the ability to act as one chooses, which seems to require only the absence of external constraints (and not the absence of determinism).

    This compatibilist tradition was carried into the twentieth century by logical positivists such A. J. Ayer (1954) and Moritz Schlick (1930 [1966]). Here is how Schlick expressed the central compatibilist insight in 1930 (drawing, in particular, on Hume):

    Freedom means the opposite of compulsion; a man is free if he does not act under compulsion, and he is compelled or unfree when he is hindered from without…when he is locked up, or chained, or when someone forces him at the point of a gun to do what otherwise he would not do. (1930 [1966: 59])

    Since deterministic causal pressures do not always force one to “do what otherwise he would not do”, freedom—at least of the sort specified by Schlick—is compatible with determinism.

    A closely related compatibilist strategy, influential in the early and mid-twentieth century, was to offer a conditional analysis of the ability to do otherwise (Ayer 1954, Hobart 1934, Moore 1912; for earlier expressions, see Hobbes 1654 and Hume 1748). As just noted, even if determinism is true, agents may often act as they choose, and it is equally compatible with determinism that an agent who performed act A (on the basis of his choice to do so) might have performed a different action on the condition that (contrary to what actually happened) she had chosen to perform the other action. Even if a person’s actual behavior is causally determined by the actual past, it may be that if the past had been suitably different (e.g., if the person’s desires, intentions, choices, etc. had been different), then she would have acted differently. And perhaps this is all that the ability to do otherwise comes to: one can do otherwise if it is true that if one had chosen to do otherwise, then one would have done otherwise.

    However, this compatibilist picture is open to serious objections. First, it might be granted that an ability to act as one sees fit is valuable, and perhaps related to the type of freedom at issue in the free will debate, but it does not follow that this is all that possession of free will comes to. A person who has certain desires as a result of indoctrination, brainwashing, or psychopathology may act as he chooses, but his free will and moral responsibility may still be called into question. (For more on the relevance of such factors, see §3.2 and §3.3.3.) More specifically, the conditional analysis is open to the following sort of counterexample. It might be true that an agent who performs act A would have omitted A if she had so chosen, but it might also be true that the agent in question suffers from an overwhelming compulsion to perform act A. The conditional analysis suggests that the agent in question retains the ability to do otherwise than A, but, given her compulsion, it seems clear that she lacks this ability (Broad 1934, Chisholm 1964, Lehrer 1968, van Inwagen 1983). More generally, incompatibilists are likely to be dissatisfied with the conditional analysis since it fails to give an account of an ability that agents can have, right here and right now, to either perform or omit an action while holding everything about the here and now, and about the past, fixed.

    Despite the above objections, the compatibilist project described so far has had significant lasting influence. As will be seen below, the fact that determined agents can act as they see fit is still an important inspiration for compatibilists, as is the fact that determined agents may have acted differently in counterfactual circumstances. For more, see the entry on compatibilism. For recent accounts related to (and improving upon) early compatibilist approaches, see Michael Fara (2008), Michael Smith (2003), and Kadri Vihvelin (2004), and for criticism of these accounts, see Randolph Clarke (2009).

    Another influential trend in compatibilism has been to argue that moral responsibility does not require an ability to do otherwise. If this is right, then determinism would not threaten responsibility by ruling out access to behavioral alternatives (though determinism might threaten responsibility in other ways: see van Inwagen 1983: 182–88 and Fischer & Ravizza 1998: 151–168). In a very influential 1969 paper, Harry Frankfurt offers examples meant to show that an agent can be morally responsible for an action even if he could not have done otherwise. Versions of these examples are often called Frankfurt cases or Frankfurt examples. In the basic form of the example, an agent, Jones, considers a certain action. Another agent, Black, would like to see Jones perform this action and, if necessary, Black can make Jones perform it through some type of intervention in Jones’s deliberative process. However, as things transpire, Black does not intervene in Jones’s decision making since he can see that Jones will perform the action on his own and for his own reasons. Black does not intervene to ensure Jones’s action, but he could have, and he would have, had Jones showed some sign that he would not perform the action on his own. Therefore, Jones could not have done otherwise, yet he seems responsible for his behavior. After all, given Black’s non-intervention, Jones’s action is a perfectly ordinary bit of voluntary behavior.

    There are questions about whether Frankfurt’s example really shows that Jones is morally responsible even though he couldn’t have done otherwise. For one thing, it may not be clear that Jones really couldn’t have done otherwise: while he performed the action on his own, there was the alternative that he perform the action due to some intervention on Black’s part, and not on his own. Furthermore, though he did not do so, Jones might have given Black some indication that he would not perform the action in question. Alternatively, an objection might be framed by asking how Black could be certain that Jones would or would not perform the action on his own. There seems to be a dilemma here. Perhaps determinism obtains in the universe of the example, and Black sees some sign that indicates the presence of factors that causally ensure that Jones will behave in a particular way. But in this case, incompatibilists are unlikely to grant that Jones is morally responsible if they think that moral responsibility is incompatible with determinism. On the other hand, perhaps determinism is not true in the universe of the example, but then it is not clear that the example excludes alternatives for Jones: if Jones’s behavior isn’t causally determined, then perhaps he can do otherwise. For objections to Frankfurt’s original example along these lines, see Carl Ginet (1996) and David Widerker (1995); for defenses of Frankfurt, see John M. Fischer (1994: 131–159; 2002; 2010); and for refined versions of Frankfurt’s example, meant to clearly deny Jones access to alternatives, see Alfred Mele and David Robb (1998), David Hunt (2000), and Derk Pereboom (2000; 2001: 18–28).

    In response to criticisms such as the above, Frankfurt has said that his example was intended mainly to draw attention to the fact “that making an action unavoidable is not the same thing as bringing it about that the action is performed” (2006: 340; emphasis in original). In particular, while determinism may make an agent’s action unavoidable, it does not follow that the agent acts as he does only because determinism is true: it may also be true that he acts as he does because he wants to and because he sees reasons in favor of so acting. The point of his original example, Frankfurt suggests, was to draw attention to the significance that the actual causes of an agent’s behavior (such as her reasons and desires) can have independently of whether the agent might have done something else. Frankfurt concludes that “[w]hen a person acts for reasons of his own…the question of whether he could have done something else instead is quite irrelevant” for the purposes of assessing responsibility (2006: 340). A focus on the actual causes that lead to behavior, as well as investigation into when an agent can be said to act on her own reasons, has characterized a great deal of work on responsibility since Frankfurt’s essay (see §2.3 and §3.3.3).

    2. Some Approaches to Moral Responsibility

    This section discusses three important approaches to responsibility. Additional perspectives (attributionism, conversational theories, mesh or structural accounts, skeptical accounts, etc.) are introduced in more or less detail in the discussions of contemporary debates below.

    2.1 Forward-Looking Accounts

    Forward-looking approaches to moral responsibility justify responsibility practices by focusing on the beneficial consequences that can be obtained by engaging in these practices. This approach was influential in the earlier parts of the twentieth century (as well as before), had fallen out of favor by the closing decades of that century, and has recently been the subject of renewed interest.

    Forward-looking perspectives tend to emphasize one of the central points discussed in the previous section: an agent’s being subject to determinism does not entail that he is subject to constraints that force him to act independently of his choices. If this is true, then, regardless of the truth of determinism, it may be useful to offer certain incentives to agents—to praise and blame them and generally to treat them as responsible—in order to encourage them to make certain choices and thus to secure positive behavioral outcomes.

    According to some articulations of the forward-looking approach, to be a responsible agent is simply to be an agent whose motives, choices, and behavior can be shaped in this way. Thus, Moritz Schlick argued that The question of who is responsible is the question concerning the correct point of application of the motive…. in this its meaning is completely exhausted; behind it lurks no mysterious connection between transgression and requital…. It is a matter only of knowing who is to be punished or rewarded, in order that punishment and reward function as such—be able to achieve their goal. (1930 [1966: 61]; emphasis in original)

    And, according to Schlick, the goals of punishment and reward have nothing to do with the past: the idea that punishment “is a natural retaliation for past wrong, ought no longer to be defended in cultivated society” (1930 [1966: 60]; emphasis in original). Instead, punishment ought to be concerned only with the institution of causes, of motives of conduct…. Analogously, in the case of reward we are concerned with an incentive. (1930 [1966: 60]; emphasis in original)

    J. J. C. Smart (1961) also defended a well-known, forward-looking approach to moral responsibility in the mid-twentieth century. Smart claimed that to blame someone for a piece of behavior is simply to assess the behavior negatively (to “dispraise” it, in Smart’s terminology) while simultaneously ascribing responsibility for the behavior to the agent. And, for Smart, an ascription of responsibility merely involves taking an agent to be such that he would have omitted the behavior if he had been provided with a motive to do so. Whatever sanctions may follow on an ascription of responsibility are administered with eye to giving an agent motives to refrain from such behavior in the future.

    Smart’s general approach has its contemporary defenders (Arneson 2003), but many have found it lacking in important ways. For one thing, as R. Jay Wallace notes, an approach like Smart’s “leaves out the underlying attitudinal aspect of moral blame” (Wallace 1996: 56, emphasis in original; see the next subsection for more on blaming attitudes). According to Wallace, the attitudes involved in blame are “backward-looking and focused on the individual agent who has done something morally wrong” (Wallace 1996: 56). But a forward-looking approach, with its focus on bringing about desirable outcomes is not directed exclusively toward the individual agent who has done something morally wrong, but takes account of anyone else who is susceptible to being influenced by our responses. (Wallace 1996: 56; emphasis added)

    In exceptional cases, a focus on beneficial outcomes may provide grounds for treating as blameworthy those who are known to be innocent (Smart 1973). This last feature of (some) forward-looking approaches has led to particularly strong criticism.

    Recent efforts have been made to develop partially forward-looking accounts of responsibility that evade some of the criticisms mentioned above. These (somewhat revisionary) accounts justify our responsibility practices by appeal to their suitability for fostering moral agency and the acquisition of capacities required for such agency. Most notable in this regard is Manuel Vargas’s “agency cultivation model” of responsibility (2013; also see Jefferson 2019 and McGeer 2015). Recent conversational accounts of responsibility (§3.2.2) also have an important forward-looking component insofar as they regard those with whom one might have fruitful moral interactions as candidates for responsibility. Some responsibility skeptics have also emphasized the forward-looking benefits of certain responsibility practices. For example, Derk Pereboom—who rejects desert-based blame—has argued that some conventional blaming practices can be maintained (even after ordinary notions of blameworthiness have been left behind) insofar as these practices are grounded in “non-desert invoking moral desiderata” such as “protection of potential victims, reconciliation to relationships both personal and with the moral community more generally, and moral formation” (2014: 134; also see Caruso 2016, Levy 2012, and Milam 2016). In contrast to some of the forward-looking approaches described above, Pereboom (2017) proposes that only those agents who have in fact acted immorally should be open to forward-aiming blaming practices. (For more on skepticism about responsibility, see §3.3 and the entry on skepticism about moral responsibility.)

    2.2 The Reactive Attitudes Approach

    2.2.1 “Freedom and Resentment”

    P. F. Strawson’s 1962 paper, “Freedom and Resentment”, is a touchstone for much of the work on moral responsibility that followed it, especially the work of compatibilists. Strawson’s aim was to chart a course between incompatibilist accounts committed to a free will requirement on responsibility, and forward-looking compatibilist accounts that did not, in Strawson’s view, appropriately acknowledge and account for the interpersonal significance of the affective component of our responsibility practices. In contrast with forward-looking accounts such as J. J. C. Smart’s and Moritz Schlick’s (§2.1), Strawson focuses directly on the emotions—the reactive attitudes—that play a fundamental role in our practices of holding one another responsible. Strawson’s suggestion is that attending to the logic of these emotional responses yields an account of what it is to be open to praise and blame that need not invoke the incompatibilist’s conception of free will. Indeed, Strawson’s view has been interpreted as suggesting that no metaphysical facts beyond our praising and blaming practices are needed to ground these practices.

    Part of the novelty of Strawson’s approach is its emphasis on the “importance that we attach to the attitudes and intentions towards us of other human beings” (1962 [1993: 48]) and on how much it matters to us, whether the actions of other people…reflect attitudes towards us of goodwill, affection, or esteem on the one hand or contempt, indifference, or malevolence on the other. (1962 [1993: 49])

    For Strawson, our practices of holding others responsible are largely responses to these things: that is, “to the quality of others’ wills towards us” (1962 [1993: 56]).

    To get a sense of the importance of quality of will for our interpersonal relations, note the difference in your response to one who injures you accidentally as compared to how you respond to one who does you the same injury out of “contemptuous disregard” or “a malevolent wish to injure [you]” (P. Strawson 1962 [1993: 49]). The second case is likely to arouse a type and intensity of resentment that would not be (appropriately) felt in the first case. Corresponding points may be made about positive responses such as gratitude: you would likely not have the same feelings of gratitude toward a person who benefits you accidentally as you would toward one who does so out of concern for your welfare. The focus here is on personal reactive attitudes directed toward another on one’s own behalf, but Strawson also discusses “sympathetic or vicarious” attitudes felt on behalf of others, and “self-reactive attitudes” that an agent may direct toward herself (1962 [1993: 56–7]).

    On Strawson’s view, the tendency to respond with relevant reactive attitudes to displays of good or ill will implicates a demand for moral respect and due regard. Indeed, for Strawson, “[t]he making of the demand is the proneness to such attitudes”, and the attitudes themselves are the “correlates of the moral demand in the case where the demand is felt to be disregarded” (1962 [1993: 63]; emphasis in original). Thus, among the circumstances that mollify a person’s (negative) reactive attitudes, are those which show that—despite initial appearances—the demand for due regard has not been ignored or flouted. When someone explains that the injury she caused you was entirely unforeseen and accidental, she indicates that her regard for your welfare was not insufficient and that she is therefore not an appropriate target for the negative attitudes involved in moral blame.

    Note that the agent who excuses herself from blame in the above way is not calling into question her status as a generally responsible agent: she is still open to the demand for due regard and liable, in principle, to reactive responses. Other agents, however, may be inapt targets for blame and the reactive emotions precisely because they are not legitimate targets of a demand for regard. In these cases, an agent is not excused from blame, he is exempted from it: it is not that his behavior is discovered to have been non-malicious, but rather that he is seen to be one of whom better behavior cannot reasonably be demanded. (The widely-used terminology in which the above contrast is drawn—“excuses” versus “exemptions”—is due to Watson 1987 [2004]).

    For Strawson, the most important group of exempt agents includes those who are, at least for a time, significantly impaired for normal interpersonal relationships. These agents may be children, or psychologically impaired like the “schizophrenic”; they may exhibit “purely compulsive behaviour”, or their minds may have “been systematically perverted” (P. Strawson 1962 [1993: 51]). Alternatively, exempt agents may simply be “wholly lacking…in moral sense” (P. Strawson 1962 [1993: 58]), perhaps because they suffered from “peculiarly unfortunate…formative circumstances” (P. Strawson 1962 [1993: 52]). These agents are not candidates for the range of emotional responses involved in our personal relationships because they do not participate in these relationships in the right way for such responses to be sensibly applied to them. Rather than taking up interpersonally-engaged attitudes (that presuppose a demand for respect) toward exempt agents, we instead take an objective attitude toward them. The exempt agent is not regarded “as a morally responsible agent…as a member of the moral community” (P. Strawson 1962 [1993: 59]); though he may be regarded as “an object of social policy” and as something “to be managed or handled or cured or trained” (P. Strawson 1962 [1993: 52]).

    Strawson’s perspective has an important compatibilist upshot. We may be able, in limited circumstances, to take up a detached, objective perspective on the behavior of normal (that is, non-exempt) agents. But Strawson argues that we cannot take up with this perspective permanently, and certainly not on the basis of discovering that determinism is true:

    The human commitment to participation in ordinary interpersonal relationships is, I think, to thoroughgoing and deeply rooted for us to take seriously the thought that a general theoretical conviction [e.g., about the truth of determinism] might so change our world that, in it, there were no longer any such things as interpersonal relationships as we normally understand them; and being involved in inter-personal relationships…precisely is being exposed to the range of reactive attitudes and feelings that is in question. (1962 [1993: 54])

    More specifically, the truth of determinism would not show that human beings generally occupy excusing or exempting conditions that would make the attitudes involved in holding one another responsible inappropriate. It would not follow from the truth of determinism, for example, “that anyone who caused an injury either was quite simply ignorant of causing it or had acceptably overriding reasons for” doing so (P. Strawson 1962 [1993: 53]; emphasis in original); nor would it follow (from the truth of determinism) that nobody knows what he’s doing or that everybody’s behaviour is unintelligible in terms of conscious purposes or that everybody lives in a world of delusion or that nobody has a moral sense. (P. Strawson 1962 [1993: 59])

    2.2.2 Criticisms of Strawson’s Approach

    Various objections have been raised regarding P. F. Strawson’s general theoretical approach to moral responsibility, his assumptions about human psychology and sociality, and his arguments for the compatibility of determinism and responsibility.

    As noted in the previous subsection, Strawson argues that learning that determinism is true would not raise general concerns about our responsibility practices. This is because the truth of determinism would not show that human beings are generally abnormal in a way that would call into question their openness to the reactive attitudes: “it cannot be a consequence of any thesis which is not itself self-contradictory that abnormality is the universal condition” (P. Strawson 1962 [1993: 54]). In reply, it has been noted that while the truth of determinism might not suggest universal abnormality, it might well show that normal human beings are morally incapacitated in a way that is relevant to our responsibility practices (Russell 1992: 298–301). Strawson’s assumptions that we are too deeply and naturally committed to our reactive-attitude-involving practices to give them up, and that doing so would irreparably distort our moral lives, have also been criticized (Nelkin 2011: 42–45; G. Strawson 1986: 84–120; Watson 1987 [2004: 255–258]).

    A different sort of objection emphasizes the response-dependence of Strawson’s account: that is, the way it explains an agent’s responsibility in terms of the moral responses that characterize a given community’s responsibility practices, rather than in terms of independent facts about whether the agent is responsible. This feature of Strawson’s approach invites a reading that may seem paradoxical:

    In Strawson’s view, there is no such independent notion of responsibility that explains the propriety of the reactive attitudes. The explanatory priority is the other way around: It is not that we hold people responsible because they are responsible; rather, the idea (our idea) that we are responsible is to be understood by the practice, which itself is not a matter of holding some propositions to be true, but of expressing our concerns and demands about our treatment of one another. (Watson 1987 [2004: 222]; emphasis in original; see Bennett 1980 for a related, non-cognitivist interpretation of Strawson’s approach)

    Strawson’s approach would be particularly problematic if, as the above reading might suggest, it entails that a group’s responsibility practices are—as they stand and however they stand—beyond criticism simply because they are that group’s practices (Fischer & Ravizza 1993a: 18).

    But there is something to be said from the other side of the debate. It may seem obvious that people are appropriately held responsible only if there are independent facts about their responsibility. But on reflection—and following R. Jay Wallace’s (1996) influential Strawsonian approach—it may be difficult “to make sense of the idea of a prior and thoroughly independent realm of moral responsibility facts” that is separate from our practices and yet to which our practices must answer (1996: 88). For Wallace, giving up on practice-independent responsibility facts doesn’t mean giving up on facts about responsibility; rather, “we must interpret the relevant facts [about responsibility] as somehow dependent on our practices of holding people responsible” (1996: 89). Such an interpretation requires an investigation into our practices, and what emerges most conspicuously, for Wallace, from this investigation is the degree to which our responsibility practices are organized around a fundamental commitment to fairness (1996: 101). Wallace develops this commitment to fairness, and to norms of fairness, into an account of the conditions under which people are appropriately held morally responsible for their behavior (1996: 103–109). (For a more recent defense of the response-dependent approach to responsibility, see Shoemaker 2017b; for criticism of such approaches, see Todd 2016.)

    2.3 Reasons-Responsiveness Views

    As noted in §1, one of the lasting influences of Harry Frankfurt’s defense of compatibilism was to draw attention to the actual causes of agents’ behavior, and particularly to whether an agent—even a causally determined agent—acted for her own reasons. Reasons-responsiveness approaches to responsibility have been particularly attentive to these issues. These approaches ground responsibility by reference to agents’ capacities for being appropriately sensitive to the rational considerations that bear on their actions. Interpreted broadly, reasons-responsiveness approaches include a diverse collection of views, such as David Brink and Dana Nelkin (2013), John M. Fischer and Mark Ravizza (1998), Ishtiyaque Haji (1998), Michael McKenna (2013), Dana Nelkin (2011), Carolina Sartorio (2016), R. Jay Wallace (1996), and Susan Wolf (1990). Fischer and Ravizza’s Responsibility and Control (1998), which builds on Fischer (1994), offers the most influential articulation of the reasons-responsiveness approach.

    Fischer and Ravizza begin with a distinction between regulative control and guidance control. Regulative control involves the possession of a dual power: “the power freely to do some act A, and the power freely to do something else instead” (1998: 31). Guidance control, on the other hand, does not require access to alternatives: it is manifested when an agent guides her behavior in a particular direction (and regardless of whether it was open to her to guide her behavior in a different direction). Since Fischer and Ravizza take Frankfurt cases (§1) to show that access to behavioral alternatives is not necessary for moral responsibility, they conclude that “the sort of control necessarily associated with moral responsibility for action is guidance control” and not regulative control (1998: 33; emphasis in original).

    A number of factors can undermine guidance control. If a person’s behavior is brought about by hypnosis, brainwashing, or genuinely irresistible urges, then that person may not be morally responsible for her behavior since she does not reflectively guide it in the way required for responsibility (Fischer & Ravizza 1998: 35). More specifically, an agent in the above circumstances is not likely to be responsible because he “is not responsive to reasons—his behavior would be the same, no matter what reasons there were” (1998: 37). Thus, Fischer and Ravizza characterize possession of guidance control as (partially) dependent on responsiveness to reasons. In particular, guidance control depends on whether the psychological mechanism that issues in an agent’s behavior is responsive to reasons. (Guidance control also requires that an agent owns the mechanism on which she acts. According to Fischer and Ravizza, this requires placing historical conditions on responsibility; see §3.3.3.)

    Fischer and Ravizza’s focus on mechanisms is motivated by the following reasoning. In a Frankfurt case, an agent is responsible for an action even though his so acting is ensured by external factors. But the presence of these external factors means that the agent in a Frankfurt case would have acted the same no matter what reasons he was confronted with, which suggests that the responsible agent in a Frankfurt scenario is not responsive to reasons. This is a problem for Fischer and Ravizza’s claim that guidance control, and thus reasons-responsiveness, is necessary for responsibility. Fischer and Ravizza’s solution is to argue that while the agent in a Frankfurt case may not be responsive to reasons, the agent’s mechanism—“the process that leads to the relevant upshot [i.e., the agent’s action]”—may well be responsive to reasons (1998: 38). In other words, the agent’s generally-specified psychological mechanism might have responded (under counterfactual conditions) to considerations in favor of omitting the action that the agent actually performed (and that he was guaranteed to perform, regardless of reasons, since he was in a Frankfurt-type scenario).

    Fischer and Ravizza thus arrive at the following provisional conclusion: “relatively clear cases of moral responsibility”—that is, those in which an agent is not hypnotized, etc.—are distinguished by the fact that “an agent exhibits guidance control of an action insofar as the mechanism that actually issues in the action is his own, reasons-responsive mechanism” (1998: 39). But how responsive to reasons does an agent’s mechanism need to be for that agent to have the type of control over his behavior associated with moral responsibility? A strongly reasons-responsive mechanism would both recognize and respond to any sufficient reason to act otherwise (1998: 41). (In Fischer and Ravizza’s terminology, such a mechanism is strongly “receptive” and “reactive” to reasons). But strong reasons-responsiveness cannot be required for guidance control since many intuitively responsible agents—i.e., many garden variety wrongdoers—fail to attend to sufficient reasons to do otherwise. On the other hand, weak reasons-responsiveness is not enough for guidance control. An agent with a weakly reasons-responsive mechanism will respond appropriately to some sufficient reason to do otherwise, but the pattern of responsiveness revealed in the agent’s behavior might be too arbitrary for the agent to be credited with the kind of control required for responsibility. A person’s pattern of responsiveness to reasons would likely seem erratic in the relevant way if, for example, she would forego purchasing a ticket to a basketball game if it cost one thousand dollars, but not if it cost two thousand dollars (Fischer & Ravizza 1998: 66).

    Fischer and Ravizza settle on moderate reasons responsiveness as the sort that is most germane to guidance control (1998: 69–85). A psychological mechanism that is moderately responsive to reasons exhibits regularity with respect to its receptivity to reasons: that is, it exhibits “an understandable pattern of (actual and hypothetical) reasons-receptivity” (Fischer & Ravizza 1998: 71; emphasis in original). Such a pattern will indicate that an agent understands “how reasons fit together” and that, for example, “acceptance of one reason as sufficient implies that a stronger reason must also be sufficient” (Fischer & Ravizza 1998: 71). (In addition, a pattern of regular receptivity to reasons will include receptivity to a range of moral considerations (Fischer & Ravizza 1998: 77). This will rule out attributing moral responsibility to non-moral agents; see Todd and Tognazzini 2008 for criticism of Fischer and Ravizza’s articulation of this condition.) However, a moderately responsive mechanism may be only weakly reactive to reasons since, as Fischer and Ravizza put it (somewhat mysteriously), “reactivity is all of piece” such that if an agent’s mechanism reacts to some incentive to…[do otherwise], this shows that the mechanism can react to any incentive to do otherwise. (1998: 73; emphasis in original)

    Fischer and Ravizza’s account has generated a great deal of attention and criticism. Some critics focus on the contrast (just noted) between the conditions they impose on receptivity to reasons and those they impose on reactivity to reasons (McKenna 2005, Mele 2006a, Watson 2001). Additionally, many are dissatisfied with Fischer and Ravizza’s presentation of their account in terms of the powers of mechanisms as opposed to agents. This has led some authors to develop agent-based reasons-responsiveness accounts that address the concerns that led Fischer and Ravizza to their mechanism-based approach (Brink & Nelkin 2013, McKenna 2013, Sartorio 2016).

    3. Contemporary Debates

    3.1 The “Faces” of Responsibility

    3.1.1 Attributability versus Accountability

    Do our responsibility practices accommodate distinct forms of moral responsibility? Are there different senses in which people may be morally responsible for their behavior? Contemporary interest in these possibilities has its roots in a debate between Susan Wolf and Gary Watson. Among other things, Wolf’s important 1990 book, Freedom Within Reason, offers a critical discussion of “Real Self” theories of responsibility. According to these views, a person is responsible for behavior that is attributable to her real self, and an agent’s behavior is attributable to the agent’s real self…if she is at liberty (or able) both to govern her behavior on the basis of her will and to govern her will on the basis of her valuational system. (Wolf 1990: 33)

    The basic idea is that a responsible agent is not simply moved by her strongest desires, but also, in some way, approves of, or stands behind, the desires that move her because they are governed by her values or because they are endorsed by higher-order desires. Wolf’s central example of a Real Self view is Watson’s (1975). In an important and closely related earlier paper, Wolf (1987) characterizes Watson (1975), Harry Frankfurt (1971), and Charles Taylor (1976) as offering “deep self views”. For more on real-self/deep-self views, see §3.3.3; for a recent presentation of a real-self view, see Chandra Sripada (2016).

    According to Wolf, one point in favor of Real Self views is that they explain why people acting under the influence of hypnosis or compulsive desires are often not responsible (1990: 33). Since these agents are typically unable, under these conditions, to govern their behavior on the basis of their valuational systems, they are alienated from their actions in a way that undermines responsibility. But, for Wolf, it is a mark against Real Self views that they tend to be silent on the topic of how agents come to have the selves that they do. An agent’s real self might, for example, be the product of a traumatic upbringing, and Wolf argues that this would give us reason to question the “agent’s responsibility for her real self” and thus her responsibility for the present behavior that issues from that self (1990: 37; emphasis in original). For an important account of an agent with such an upbringing, see Wolf’s (1987) fictional example of JoJo (and see Watson 1987 [2004] for a related discussion of the convicted murderer Robert Alton Harris). For discussion of JoJo in this entry, see §3.2.1, and for general discussion of the relevance of personal history for present responsibility see §3.3.3.

    Wolf suggests that when a person’s real self is the product of serious childhood trauma (or related factors), then that person is potentially responsible for her behavior only in a superficial sense that merely attributes bad actions to the agent’s real self (1990: 37–40). However, Wolf argues that ascriptions of moral responsibility go deeper than such attributions can reach:

    When…we consider an individual worthy of blame or of praise, we are not merely judging the moral quality of the event with which the individual is so intimately associated; we are judging the moral quality of the individual herself in some more focused, noninstrumental, and seemingly more serious way. (1990: 41)

    This deeper form of assessment—assessment in terms of “deep responsibility” (Wolf 1990: 41)—requires more than that an agent is “able to form her actions on the basis of her values”, it also requires that “she is able to form her values on the basis of what is True and Good” (Wolf 1990: 75). This latter ability will be impaired or absent in an agent whose real self is the product of pressures (such as a traumatic childhood) that have distorted her moral vision. (For the relevance of moral vision, or “moral competence”, for responsibility, see §3.2.)

    In “Two Faces of Responsibility” (1996 [2004]), Gary Watson responds to Wolf. Watson agrees with Wolf that some approaches to responsibility—i.e., self-disclosure views (a phrase Watson borrows from Benson 1987)—focus narrowly on whether behavior is attributable to an agent. But Watson denies that these attributions constitute a merely superficial form of responsibility assessment. After all, behavior that is attributable to an agent—in the sense, for example, of issuing from her valuational system—often discloses something interpersonally and morally significant about the agent’s “fundamental evaluative orientation” (Watson 1996 [2004: 271]). Thus, ascriptions of responsibility in this responsibility-as-attributability sense are “central to ethical life and ethical appraisal” (Watson 1996 [2004: 263]).

    However, Watson agrees with Wolf that the above story of responsibility is incomplete: there is more to responsibility than attributing actions to agents. In addition, we hold agents responsible for their behavior, which “is not just a matter of the relation of an individual to her behavior” (Watson 1996 [2004: 262]). When we hold responsible, we also “demand (require) certain conduct from one another and respond adversely to one another’s failures to comply with these demands” (Watson 1996 [2004: 262]). The moral demands, and potential for adverse treatment, associated with holding others responsible are part of our accountability (as opposed to attributability) practices, and these features of accountability raise issues of fairness that do not arise in the context of determining whether behavior is attributable to an agent (Watson 1996 [2004: 273]). Therefore, conditions may apply to accountability that do not apply to attributability: for example, perhaps “accountability blame” should be—as Wolf suggested—moderated in the case of an agent whose “squalid circumstances made it overwhelmingly difficult to develop a respect for the standards to which we would hold him accountable” (Watson 1996 [2004: 281]).

    There are, then, two forms, or “faces”, of responsibility on Watson’s account. There is responsibility-as-attributability, and when an agent satisfies the conditions on this form of responsibility, behavior is properly attributed to her as reflecting morally important features of her self—her virtues and vices, for example. But there is also responsibility-as-accountability, and when an agent satisfies the conditions on this form of responsibility, which requires more than the correct attribution of behavior, she is open to being held accountable for that behavior in the ways that predominantly characterize moral blame.

    3.1.2 Attributionism

    It has become common for the views of several authors to be described (with varying degrees of accuracy) as instances of “attributionism”; see Neil Levy (2005) for the first use of this term. These authors include Robert Adams (1985), Nomy Arpaly (2003), Pamela Hieronymi (2004), T. M. Scanlon (1998, 2008), George Sher (2006a, 2006b, 2009), Angela Smith (2005, 2008), and Matthew Talbert (2012, 2013). Attributionists take moral responsibility assessments to be mainly concerned with whether an action (or omission, character trait, or belief) is attributable to an agent for the purposes of moral assessment, where this usually means that the action (or omission, etc.) reflects the agent’s “judgment sensitive attitudes” (Scanlon 1998), “evaluative judgments” (A. Smith 2005), or, more generally, her “moral personality” (Hieronymi 2008).

    Attributionism resembles the self-disclosure views mentioned by Watson (see the previous subsection) insofar as both focus on the way that a responsible agent’s behavior discloses interpersonally and morally significant features of the agent’s self. However, it would be a mistake to conclude that contemporary attributionist views are interested only in specifying the conditions for what Watson calls responsibility-as-attributability. In fact, attributionists typically take themselves to be giving conditions for holding agents responsible in Watson’s accountability sense. (See the previous subsection for the distinction between accountability and attributability.)

    According to attributionism, fulfillment of attributability conditions is sufficient for holding agents accountable for their behavior. This means that attributionism rejects conditions on moral responsibility that would excuse agents if their characters were shaped under adverse conditions (Scanlon 1998: 278–85), or if the thing for which the agent is blamed was not under her control (Sher 2006b and 2009, A. Smith 2005), or if the agent can’t be expected to recognize the moral status of her behavior (Scanlon 1998: 287–290; Talbert 2012). Attributionists reject these conditions on responsibility because morally and interpersonally significant behavior is attributable to agents that do not fulfill them, and such attributions are taken to be sufficient for an agent to be open to the responses involved in holding agents accountable for their behavior. Attributionists have also argued that blame may profitably be understood as a form of moral protest (Hieronymi 2001, A. Smith 2013, Talbert 2012); part of the appeal of this move is that moral protests may be legitimate in cases in which the above conditions are not met.

    Several objections have been posed to attributionism. Some argue that attributionists are wrong to reject the conditions on responsibility mentioned in the last paragraph (Levy 2005, 2011; Shoemaker 2011, 2015a; Watson 2011). It has also been argued that the attributionist account of blame is too close to mere negative appraisal (Levy 2005; Wallace 1996: 80–1; Watson 2002). In addition, Scanlon (2008) has been criticized for failing to take negative emotions such as resentment to be central to the phenomenon of blame (Wallace 2011, Wolf 2011; a similar criticism would apply to Sher 2006a).

    3.1.3 Answerability

    Building on the distinction between attributability and accountability (§3.1.1), David Shoemaker (2011 and 2015a) has introduced a third form of responsibility: answerability. On Shoemaker’s view, attributability-responsibility assessments respond to facts about an agent’s character, accountability-responsibility responds to an agent’s degree of regard for others, and answerability-responsibility responds to an agent’s evaluative judgments. However, A. Smith (2015) and Hieronymi (2008 and 2014) use “answerability” to refer to a view more like the attributionist perspective described in the previous subsection, and Pereboom (2014) has used the term to indicate a form of responsibility more congenial to responsibility skeptics.

    3.2 Moral Competence

    3.2.1 The Moral Competence Condition on Responsibility

    The possibility that moral competence—the ability to recognize and respond to moral considerations—is a condition on moral responsibility has been suggested at several points above (§2.2.1, §2.2.2, §2.3, §3.1.1, §3.1.2). Susan Wolf’s (1987) fictional story of “JoJo” is one of the best-known illustrations of this proposal. JoJo was raised by an evil dictator, and as a result he became the same sort of sadistic tyrant that his father was. As an adult, JoJo is happy to be the sort of person that he is, and he is moved by precisely the desires (e.g., to imprison, torture, and execute his subjects) that he wants to be moved by. Thus, JoJo fulfills important conditions on responsibility (§3.1.1, §3.3.3), however, Wolf argues that it may be unfair to hold him responsible for his bad behavior.

    JoJo’s upbringing plays an important role in Wolf’s argument, but only because it left JoJo unable to fully appreciate the wrongfulness of his behavior. Thus, it is JoJo’s impaired moral competence that does the real excusing work, and similar conclusions of non-responsibility should be drawn about all those whom we think “could not help but be mistaken about their [bad] values”, if possession of these values impairs their ability to tell right from wrong (Wolf 1987: 57).

    Many others join Wolf in arguing that impaired moral competence (perhaps on account of one’s upbringing or other environmental factors) undermines one’s moral responsibility (Benson 2001, Doris & Murphy 2007, Fischer & Ravizza 1998, Fricker 2010, Levy 2003, Russell 1995 and 2004, Wallace 1996, Watson 1987 [2004]). Part of what motivates this conclusion is the thought that it can be unreasonable to expect morally-impaired agents to avoid wrongful behavior, and that it is therefore unfair to expose these agents to the harm of moral blame on account of their wrongdoing. For detailed development of the moral competence requirement on responsibility in terms of considerations of fairness, see R. Jay Wallace (1996); also see Erin Kelly (2013), Neil Levy (2009), and Gary Watson (1987 [2004]). For rejection of the claim that blame is unfair in the case of the morally-impaired agent, see several of the defenders of attributionism mentioned in §3.1.2 (particularly Hieronymi 2004, Scanlon 1998, and Talbert 2012)

    The moral competence condition on responsibility can also be motivated by the suggestion that impaired agents are not able to commit wrongs that have the sort of moral significance to which blame would be an appropriate response. The basic idea here is that, while morally-impaired agents can fail to show appropriate respect for others, these failures do not necessarily constitute the kind of flouting of moral norms that grounds blame (Watson 1987 [2004: 234]). In other words, a failure to respect others, is not always an instance of blame-grounding disrespect for others, since the latter (but not the former) requires the ability to comprehend the norms that one violates (Levy 2007, Shoemaker 2011).

    3.2.2 Conversational Approaches to Responsibility

    Considerations about moral competence play an important role in the recent trend of conversational theories of responsibility, which construe elements of our responsibility practices as morally-expressive moves in an ongoing moral conversation. The thought here is that to fruitfully (and fully) participate in such a conversation, one must have some degree of competence in the (moral) language of that conversation.

    Several prominent versions of the conversational approach develop P. F. Strawson’s suggestion (§2.2.1) that the negative reactive attitudes involved in blame are expressions of a demand for moral regard from other agents. Gary Watson argues that a demand “presumes”, as a condition on the intelligibility of expressing it, “understanding on the part of the object of the demand” (1987 [2004: 230]). Therefore, since, “[t]he reactive attitudes are incipiently forms of communication”, they are intelligibly expressed “only on the assumption that the other can comprehend the message”, and since the message is a moral one, “blaming and praising those with diminished moral understanding loses its ‘point,’” at least in a certain sense (Watson 1987 [2004: 230]; see Watson 2011 for a modification of this proposal). R. Jay Wallace argues, similarly, that since responsibility practices are internal to moral relationships that are defined by the successful exchange of moral criticism and justification…. it will be reasonable to hold accountable only someone who is at least a candidate for this kind of exchange of criticism and justification. (1996: 164)

    Michael McKenna’s Conversation and Responsibility (2012) offers the most developed conversational analysis of responsibility. For McKenna, the “moral responsibility exchange” occurs in stages: an initial “moral contribution” of morally salient behavior; the “moral address” of, e.g., blame that responds to the moral contribution; the “moral account” in which the first contributor responds to moral address with, e.g., apology; and so on (2012: 89). Like Wallace and Watson, McKenna notes the way in which a morally impaired agent will find it difficult “to appreciate the challenges put to her by those who hold [her] morally responsible”, but he also argues that a suitably impaired agent cannot even make the first move in a moral conversation (2012: 78). Thus, the morally impaired agent’s responsibility is called into question not only because she is unable to respond appropriately to moral demands, but also because “she is incapable of acting from a will with a moral quality that could be a candidate for assessment from the standpoint of holding responsible” (McKenna 2012: 78). This point is related to Neil Levy’s and David Shoemaker’s contention, noted in the previous subsection, that impairments of moral competence can leave an agent unable to harbor and express the type of ill will or lack of regard to which blame responds. By contrast, Watson (2011), seems to allow that significant moral impairment is compatible with the ability to perform blame-relevant wrongdoing, even if such impairment undermines the wrongdoer’s moral accountability for her actions.

    For another important account of responsibility in broadly conversational terms, see Shoemaker’s discussion of the sort of moral anger involved in holding others accountable for their behavior (2015a: 87–117). For additional defenses and articulations of the conversational approach to responsibility, see Stephen Darwall (2006), Miranda Fricker (2016), and Colleen Macnamara (2015).

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    3.2.3 Psychopathy

    Impairments of moral competence come in degrees. Susan Wolf’s JoJo (§3.2.1) has localized impairments of the capacity to recognize and respond to moral considerations, but it is not clear that he is entirely immune to moral considerations. However, at the far end of the spectrum, we encounter more globally and thoroughly impaired figures such as the psychopath. In philosophical treatments, the psychopath is typically presented as an agent who, while retaining other psychological capacities, is entirely—or as nearly so as possible—incapable of responding appropriately to moral considerations. (This is something of a philosophical construct since real-life psychopathy admits of varying degrees of impairment, corresponding to higher or lower scores on diagnostic measures.)

    One interesting question is whether the psychopath’s inability—or at least consistent failure—to respond appropriately to moral incentives is primarily the result of a motivational rather than cognitive failure: does the psychopath in some way know what morality requires and simply not care? If a positive answer is given to this last question (Fischer & Ravizza 1998: 76–81; Nichols 2002), then it seems likely that the psychopath could be responsible for at least some of his bad behavior. And some have argued that even if psychopathy is primarily a cognitive impairment, it may still be the case that psychopaths possess a sufficient capacity for distinguishing right and wrong—or that they possess sufficient related capacities—to be held responsible, at least to some extent and in certain ways (Glannon 1997, Greenspan 2003, Maibom 2008, Shoemaker 2014, Vargas & Nichols 2007). On the other hand, many believe that the psychopath’s capacity for grasping moral considerations is too superficial to sustain responsibility (Kennett 2019; Levy 2007; Nelkin 2015; Wallace 1996: 177–78; Watson 2011; see Mason 2017 for the claim that the relevant deficiency is one of moral knowledge rather than moral capacity). And still others have argued that even those who are fully impaired for moral understanding are open to blame as long as they possess broader rational competencies (Scanlon 1998: 287–290; Talbert 2014). However, the psychopath’s possession of these broader competencies has been called into question (Fine & Kennett 2004, Greenspan 2003, Litton 2010).

    3.3 Skepticism and Related Topics

    This section introduces contemporary skepticism about moral responsibility by way of discussions of several topics that have broad relevance for thinking about responsibility.

    If moral responsibility requires free will, and free will involves access to alternatives in a way that is not compatible with determinism, then it would follow from the truth of determinism that no one is ever morally responsible. The above reasoning, and the skeptical conclusion it reaches, is endorsed by the hard determinist perspective on free will and responsibility, which was defended historically by Spinoza and d’Holbach (among others) and, more recently, by Ted Honderich (2002). But given that determinism may well be false, contemporary skeptics about moral responsibility more often pursue a hard incompatibilist line of argument according to which the kind of free will required for desert-based (as opposed to forward-looking, see §2.1) moral responsibility is incompatible with the truth or falsity of determinism (Pereboom 2001, 2014). The skeptical positions discussed below are generally of this sort: the skeptical conclusions they advocate do not depend on the truth of determinism.

    3.3.1 Moral Luck

    According to Thomas Nagel, a person is subject to moral luck if factors that are not under that person’s control affect the moral assessments to which he is open (Nagel 1976 [1979]; also see Williams 1976 [1981] and the entry on moral luck.)

    Is there such a thing as moral luck? More specifically, can luck affect a person’s moral responsibility? Consider a would-be assassin who shoots at her target, aiming to kill, but fails to do so only because her bullet is deflected by a passing bird. It seems that such a would-be assassin has good moral outcome luck (that is, good moral luck in the outcome of her behavior). Because of factors beyond her control, the would-be assassin’s moral record is better than it would have been: in particular, she is not a killer and is not morally responsible for causing anyone’s death. One might think, in addition, that the would-be assassin is less blameworthy than a successful assassin with whom she is otherwise identical, and that the reason for this is just that the successful assassin intentionally killed someone while the unsuccessful assassin (as a result of good moral luck) did not. (For important recent defenses of moral luck, see Hanna 2014 and Hartman 2017.)

    On the other hand, one might think that if the two assassins just mentioned are identical in terms of their values, goals, intentions, and motivations, then the addition of a bit of luck to the unsuccessful assassin’s story cannot ground a deep contrast between these two agents in terms of their moral responsibility. One way to sustain this position is to argue that moral responsibility is a function solely of internal features of agents, such as their motives and intentions (Khoury 2018; also see Enoch & Marmor 2007 for some of the main arguments against moral luck). Of course, the successful assassin is responsible for something (killing a person) for which the unsuccessful assassin is not, but it might be possible to argue that both are morally responsible—and presumably blameworthy—to the same degree insofar as it was true of both of them that they aimed to kill, and that they did so for the same reasons and with the same degree of commitment toward bringing about that outcome (see M. Zimmerman 2002 and 2015 for this influential perspective).

    But now consider a different would-be assassin who does not even try to kill anyone, but only because his circumstances did not favor this option. This would-be assassin is willing to kill under favorable circumstances (and so he may seem to have had good circumstantial moral luck since he was not in those circumstances). Perhaps the degree of responsibility attributed to the successful and unsuccessful assassins described above depends not so much on the fact that they both tried to kill as on the fact that they were both willing to kill; in this case, the would-be assassin just introduced may share their degree of responsibility since he shares their willingness to kill. But an account that focuses on how agents would be willing to act under counterfactual circumstances is likely to generate unintuitive conclusions about responsibility since many agents who are typically judged blameless might willingly perform terrible actions under the right circumstances. (M. Zimmerman 2002 and 2015 does not shy away from this consequence, but criticisms of his efforts to reject moral luck—Hanna 2014, Hartman 2017—have made much of it; see Peels 2015 for a position that is related to Zimmerman’s but that may avoid the unintuitive consequence just mentioned.)

    Another approach to luck holds that it is inimical to moral responsibility in a way that generally undermines responsibility ascriptions. To see the motivation for this skeptical position, consider constitutive moral luck: that is, luck in how one is constituted in terms of the “inclinations, capacities, and temperament” one finds within oneself (Nagel 1976 [1979: 28]). Facts about a person’s inclinations, capacities, and temperament explain much—if not all—of that person’s behavior, and if the facts that explain why a person acts as she does are a result of good or bad luck, then perhaps it is unfair to hold her responsible for that behavior. As Nagel notes, once the full sweep of the various kinds of luck comes into view, “[t]he area of genuine agency” may seem to shrink to nothing since our actions and their consequences “result from the combined influence of factors, antecedent and posterior to action, that are not within the agent’s control” (1976 [1979: 35]). If this is right, then perhaps, nothing remains which can be ascribed to the responsible self, and we are left with nothing but a…sequence of events, which can be deplored or celebrated, but not blamed or praised. (Nagel 1976 [1979: 37])

    The above quotations notwithstanding, Nagel himself doesn’t fully embrace a skeptical conclusion about responsibility on grounds of moral luck, but others have done so, most notably, Neil Levy (2011). According to Levy’s “hard luck view”, the encompassing nature of moral luck means “that there are no desert-entailing differences between moral agents” (2011: 10). Of course, there are differences between agents in terms of their characters and the good or bad actions and outcomes that they produce, but Levy’s point is that, given the influence of luck in generating these differences, they don’t provide a sound basis for differential treatment of people in terms of moral praise and blame. (See Russell 2017 for a compatibilist account that is led to a variety of pessimism, though not skepticism, on the basis of the concerns about moral luck just described.)

    3.3.2 Ultimate Responsibility

    Another important skeptical argument—related to the observations about constitutive moral luck in the previous subsection—is Galen Strawson’s Basic Argument, which concludes that “we cannot be truly or ultimately morally responsible for our actions” (1994: 5). (Since the argument targets “ultimate” moral responsibility, it does not necessarily exclude other forms, such as forward-looking responsibility (§2.1) and, on some understandings, responsibility-as-attributability (§3.1.1).) The argument begins by noting that an agent makes the choices she does because of certain facts about the way she is: for example, the facts about what seems choiceworthy to her. But if this is true, then, in order to be responsible for her subsequent choices, perhaps an agent also needs to be responsible for the facts about what seems choiceworthy to her. But how can one be responsible for these prior facts about herself? Wouldn’t this require a prior choice on the part of the agent, one that resulted in her present dispositions to see certain ends and means as choiceworthy? But this prior choice would itself be something for which the agent is responsible only if the agent is also responsible for the fact that that prior choice seemed choiceworthy to her. And now we must explain how the agent can be responsible for this additional prior fact about herself, which will require positing another choice by the agent, and the responsibility for that choice will also have to be secured, which will require explaining why it seemed choiceworthy to her, and so on. A regress looms here, and Strawson claims that it cannot be stopped except by positing an initial act of self-creation on the responsible agent’s part (1994: 5, 15). Only self-creating agents could be fully responsible for their own tendencies to exercise their powers of choice as they do, but self-creation is impossible, so no one is every truly or ultimately morally responsible for their behavior.

    A number of replies to this argument (and the argument from constitutive moral luck) are possible. One might simply deny that how a person came to be the way she is matters for present responsibility: perhaps all we need to know in order to judge a person’s present responsibility are facts about her present constitution and about how that constitution is related to the person’s present behavior. (For views like this, see the discussion of attributionism (§3.1.2) and the discussion of non-historical accounts of responsibility in the next subsection). Alternatively, one might think that while personal history matters for moral responsibility, Strawson’s argument sets the bar too high, requiring too much historical control over one’s constitution (see Fischer 2006; for a reply, see Levy 2011: 5). Perhaps what is needed is not literal self-creation, but simply an ability to enact changes in oneself so as to acquire responsibility for the self that results from these changes (Clarke 2005). A picture along these lines can be found in Aristotle’s suggestion that one can be responsible for being a careless person if one’s present state of carelessness is the result of earlier choices that one made (Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics; see also Michele Moody-Adams 1990).

    Roughly in this Aristotelian vein, Robert Kane offers a detailed incompatibilist account of how we can secure ultimate responsibility for our actions (1996 and 2007). On Kane’s view, for an agent to be ultimately responsible for [a] choice, the agent must be at least in part responsible by virtue of choices or actions voluntarily performed in the past for having the character and motives he or she now has. (2007: 14; emphasis in original)

    This position may appear to be open to the regress concerns presented in Galen Strawson’s argument above. But Kane thinks a regress is avoided in cases in which a person’s character-forming choices are undetermined. Since these undetermined choices will have no sufficient causes, there is no relevant prior cause for which the agent must be responsible, so there is no regress problem (Kane 2007: 15–16; see Pereboom 2001: 47–50 for criticism of Kane on this point.)

    Of particular interest to Kane are potential character-forming choices that occur “when we are torn between competing visions of what we should do or become” (2007: 26). In such cases, if a person sees reasons in favor of either choice that he might make, and the choice that he makes is undetermined, then whichever choice he makes will have been chosen for his own reasons. According to Kane, when an agent makes this kind of choice, he shapes his character, and since his choice is not determined by prior causal factors, he is responsible for it and for the character it shapes and for the character-determined choices that he makes in the future.

    Kane’s approach is an important instance of those incompatibilist theories that attempt to explain how free will, while requiring indeterminism, could clearly be at home in the natural world as we know it (also see Balaguer 2010, Ekstrom 2000, and Franklin 2018). (This is as opposed to agent-causal accounts of free will—Chisholm 1964, O’Connor 2000—that invoke a type of causal power that is less easily naturalized). However, many have argued that any account like Kane’s, which inserts an indeterministic link in the causal chain leading to action, actually reduces an agent’s control over an action or at least leaves it unclear why such an insertion would increase agential control over actions as compared to a deterministic story of action (Hobart 1934; Levy 2011: 41–83; Pereboom 2014: 31–49; van Inwagen 1983: 126–52; Watson 1999).

    3.3.3 Personal History and Manipulation

    Accounts such as Neil Levy’s (2011) and Galen Strawson’s (1994), described in the two preceding subsections, assume that the facts about the way a person came to be the way she is are relevant for determining her present responsibility. But non-historical views, such as attributionism (§3.1.2) and the views that Susan Wolf calls “Real Self” theories (§3.1.1), reject this contention. Real Self accounts are sometimes referred to as “structural” or “hierarchical” theories, and John M. Fischer and Mark Ravizza (1998: 184–187) have called them “mesh” theories. By whatever name, the basic idea is that an agent is morally responsible insofar as her will has the right sort of structure: in particular, there needs to be a mesh or fit between the desires that actually move the agent and her values, or between the desires that move her and her higher-order desires, the latter of which are the agent’s reflective preferences about which desires should move her. (For approaches along these lines, see Dworkin 1970; Frankfurt 1971, 1987; Neely 1974; and Watson 1975.)

    Harry Frankfurt’s comparison between a willing drug addict and an unwilling addict illustrates important features of his version of the structural approach to responsibility. Both of Frankfurt’s addicts have desires to take the drug to which they are addicted, and the nature of their addictions is such that both addicts will ultimately act to fulfill their first-order addictive desire. But suppose that both addicts are capable of taking higher-order perspectives on their first-order desires, and suppose that they take different higher-order perspectives. The willing addict endorses and identifies with his addictive desire. The unwilling addict, on the other hand, repudiates his addictive desire to such an extent that, when it ends up being effective, Frankfurt says that this addict is “helplessly violated by his own desires” (1971: 12). The willing addict has a kind of freedom that the unwilling addict lacks: they may both be bound to take the drug to which they are addicted, but insofar as the willing addict is moved by a desire that he endorses, he acts freely in a way that the unwilling addict does not (Frankfurt 1971: 19). A related conclusion about responsibility may be drawn: perhaps the unwilling addict’s desire is alien to him in such a way that his responsibility for acting on it is called into question (for a recent defense of this conclusion, see Sripada 2017).

    One objection to Frankfurt’s view goes like this. His account seems to assume that the addicts’ higher-order desires have the authority to speak for them—they reveal (or constitute) the agent’s “real self”, to use Wolf’s language (1990). But if higher-order desires are invoked out of a concern that an agent’s first-order desires may not stem from his real self, why won’t the same worry recur with respect to higher-order desires as well? In other words, when ascending through the orders of desires, why stop at any particular point, why not think that appeal to a still higher order is always necessary to reveal where an agent stands? (See Watson (1975) for an objection along these lines, which partly motivates Watson—in his articulation of a structural approach—to focus on whether an agent’s desires conform with her values, rather than with her higher-order desires).

    And even if one agrees with Frankfurt (or Watson) about the structural elements required for responsibility, one might wonder how an agent’s will came to have its particular structure. Thus, an important type of objection to Frankfurt’s view notes that the relevant structure might have been put in place by factors that intuitively undermine responsibility, in which case the presence of the relevant structure is not itself sufficient for responsibility (Fischer & Ravizza 1998: 196–201; Locke 1975; Slote 1980). Fischer and Ravizza argue that [i]f the mesh [between higher- and lower-order desires] were produced by…brainwashing or subliminal advertising…we would not hold the agent morally responsible for his behavior because the psychological mechanism that produced the behavior would not be, “in an important intuitive sense, the agent’s own” (1998: 197; emphasis in original). In response to this type of worry, Fischer and Ravizza argue that responsibility has an important historical component, which they attempt to capture with their account of how agents can “take responsibility” for the psychological mechanisms that produces their behavior (1998: 207–239). (For criticism of Fischer and Ravizza’s account of taking responsibility, see Levy 2011: 103–106 and Pereboom 2001: 120–22; for quite different accounts of taking responsibility, see Enoch 2012; Mason 2019: 179–207; and Wolf 2001. For work on the general significance of personal histories for responsibility, see Christman 1991, Vargas 2006, and D. Zimmerman 2003.)

    Part of Fischer and Ravizza’s motivation for developing their account of “taking responsibility” was to ensure that agents who have been manipulated in certain ways do not turn out to be responsible on their view. Several examples and arguments featuring the sort of manipulation that worried Fischer and Ravizza have played important roles in the recent literature on responsibility. One of these is Alfred Mele’s Beth/Ann example (1995, 2006b), which emphasizes the difficulties faced by accounts of responsibility that eschew historical conditions. In the example, Ann has acquired her preferences and values in the normal way, but Beth is manipulated by a team of neuroscientists so that she now has preferences and values that are identical to Ann’s. After the manipulation, Beth is capable of reflecting on her new values, and when she does so, she endorses them enthusiastically. But whereas we might normally take such an endorsement to be a sign of the sort of self-governance associated with responsibility, Mele suggests that Beth, unlike Ann, exhibits merely “ersatz self-government” since Beth’s new values where imposed on her (1995: 155). And if certain kinds of personal histories similarly undermine an agent’s ability to genuinely or authentically govern her behavior, then agents with these histories will not be morally responsible. (For replies to Mele and general insights into manipulation cases, see Arpaly 2003, King 2013, McKenna 2004, and Todd 2011; for discussion of issues about personal identity that arise in manipulation cases, see Khoury 2013, Matheson 2014, Shoemaker 2012)

    Now one can take a hard line in Beth’s case (McKenna 2004). Such a stance might involve noting that while Beth acquired her new values in a strange way (and in a way that involved moral wrongs done to her), everyone acquires their values in ways that are not fully under their control. Indeed, following Galen Strawson’s line of argument (1994), described in §3.3.2, it might be noted that no one has ultimate control over their values, and even if normal agents have some capacity to address and alter their values, the dispositional factors that govern how this capacity is used are ultimately the result of factors beyond agents’ control. So perhaps it is not as clear as it might first appear that Beth is distinguished from normal agents in terms of her powers of self-governance and her moral responsibility for her behavior. But this reasoning can cut both ways: instead of showing that Beth is assimilated into the class of normal, responsible agents, it might show that normal agents are assimilated into the class of non-responsible agents like Beth. Derk Pereboom’s four-case argument employs a maneuver along these lines (1995, 2001, 2007, 2014).

    Pereboom’s argument presents Professor Plum in four different scenarios. In each scenario, Plum kills Ms. White while satisfying the conditions on desert-involving moral responsibility most often proposed by compatibilists (and described in earlier sections of this entry): Plum kills White because he wants to, and while this desire is in keeping with Plum’s character, it is not irresistible; Plum also endorses his desire to kill White from a higher-order volitional perspective; finally, Plum is generally morally competent, and the process of deliberation that leads to his decision to kill White is appropriately responsive to reasons.

    In Case 1, Plum is “created by neuroscientists, who…manipulate him directly through the use of radio-like technology” (Pereboom 2001: 112). These scientists cause Plum’s reasoning to take a certain (reasons-responsive) path that culminates in Plum concluding that the self-serving reasons in favor of killing White outweigh the reasons in favor of not doing so. Pereboom believes that in such a case Plum is clearly not responsible for killing White since his behavior was determined by the actions of the neuroscientists. In Cases 2 and 3, Plum is causally determined to undertake the same reasoning process as in Case 1, but in Case 2 Plum is merely programmed to do so by neuroscientists (rather than having been created by them), and in Case 3 Plum’s reasoning is the result of socio-cultural influences that determine his character. In Case 4, Plum is just a normal human being in a causally deterministic universe, and he decides to kill White in the same way as in the previous cases.

    Pereboom claims that there is no relevant difference between Cases 1, 2, and 3 such that our judgments about Plum’s responsibility should be different in these three cases. Furthermore, the reason that Plum is not responsible in these cases seems to be that, in each case, his behavior is causally determined by forces beyond his control (Pereboom 2001: 116). But then we should conclude that Plum is not responsible in Case 4 (since causal determinism is the defining feature of that case). And since, in Case 4, Plum is just a normal human being in a causally deterministic universe, the conclusion we draw about him should extend to all other normal persons in causally deterministic universes. (For an important, related manipulation argument, see Mele’s “zygote argument” in Mele 1995, 2006b, and 2008.)

    Pereboom’s argument has inspired a number of objections. For example, it could be argued that in Case 1, the manipulation to which Plum is subject undermines his responsibility for some reason besides the fact that the manipulation causally determines his behavior, which would stop the generalization from Case 1 to the subsequent cases (Fischer 2004, Mele 2005, Demetriou 2010; for a response to this line of argument, see Matheson 2016; Pereboom addresses this concern in his 2014 presentation of the argument; also see Shabo 2010). Alternatively, it might be argued, on compatibilist grounds, that Plum is responsible in Case 4, and this conclusion might be extended to the earlier cases since Plum fulfills the same compatibilist-friendly conditions on responsibility in those cases (McKenna 2008).

    The four-case argument attempts to show that if determinism is true, then we cannot be the sources of our actions in the way required for moral responsibility. It is, therefore, an argument for incompatibilism rather than for skepticism about moral responsibility. But, in combination with Pereboom’s argument that we lack the sort of free will required for responsibility even if determinism is false (2001: 38–88; 2014: 30–70), the four-case argument has emerged as an important part of a detailed and influential skeptical perspective. For other skeptical accounts, see Caruso (2016), Smilansky (2000), Waller (2011); also see the entry on skepticism about moral responsibility.

    3.3.4 The Epistemic Condition on Responsibility

    There has been a recent surge in interest in the epistemic, or knowledge, condition on responsibility (as opposed to the freedom or control condition that is at the center of the free will debate). In this context, the following epistemic argument for skepticism about responsibility has been developed. (In certain structural respects, the argument resembles Galen Strawson’s skeptical argument discussed in §3.3.2.)

    Sometimes agents act in ignorance of the likely bad consequences of their actions, and sometimes their ignorance excuses them from blame for so acting. But in other cases, an agent’s ignorance might not excuse him. How can we distinguish the cases where ignorance excuses from those in which it does not? One proposal is that ignorance fails to excuse when the ignorance is itself something for which an agent might be blamed. And one proposal for when ignorance is blameworthy is that it issues from a blameworthy benighting act in which an agent culpably impairs, or fails to improve, his own epistemic position (H. Smith 1983). In such a case, the agent’s ignorance seems to be his own fault, so it cannot be appealed to in order to excuse the agent.

    But when is a benighting act blameworthy? Several philosophers have suggested that we are culpable for benighting acts only when we engage in them knowing that we are doing so and knowing that we should not do so (Levy 2011, Rosen 2004, M. Zimmerman 1997). Ultimately, the suggestion is that ignorance for which one is blameworthy, and that leads to blameworthy unwitting wrongdoing, has its source in knowing wrongful behavior. Thus, if someone unwittingly does something wrong, then that person will be blameworthy only if we can explain his lack of knowledge (his “unwittingness”) by reference to something else that he knowingly did wrong.

    Consider an example from Gideon Rosen (2004) in which a surgeon orders her patient to be transfused with the wrong type of blood, and suppose that the surgeon was unaware that she was making this mistake. According to Rosen, the surgeon will be blameworthy for harming her patient only if she is blameworthy for being ignorant about the patient’s blood type when she requests the transfusion, and she will be blameworthy for this only if her ignorance stems from some instance in which the surgeon knowingly failed to do something that she ought to have done to avoid her later ignorance. It won’t, for example, be enough that the surgeon’s ignorance is explained by her failure to doublecheck the patient’s medical records. In order to ground blame, this omission on the surgeon’s part must itself have been culpable, which requires that the surgeon knew that this omission was wrong. And if the surgeon wasn’t aware that she was committing a wrongful omission (when she failed to doublecheck her patient’s medical records), then this failure of knowledge on the surgeon’s part must be explained by some prior culpable—that is, knowing—act or omission. In the end, for Rosen, the only possible locus of original responsibility [for a later unwitting act] is an akratic act…. a knowing sin. (2004: 307; emphasis in original) Similarly, Michael Zimmerman argues that all culpability can be traced to culpability that involves lack of ignorance, that is, that involves a belief on the agent’s part that he or she is doing something morally wrong. (1997: 418)

    The above reasoning may apply not just to cases in which a person is unaware of the consequences of her action, but also to cases in which a person is unaware of the moral status of her behavior. A slaveowner, for example, might think that slaveholding is permissible, and so, on the account considered here, he will be blameworthy only if he is culpable for his ignorance about the moral status of slavery, which will require, for example, that he ignored evidence about its moral status while knowing that this is something he should not do (Rosen 2003 and 2004).

    These reflections can give rise to a couple forms of skepticism about moral responsibility (and particularly about blameworthiness). First, we might come to endorse a form of epistemic skepticism on the grounds that we rarely have insight into whether a wrongdoer was akratic—that is, was a knowing wrongdoer—at some suitable point in the etiology of a given action (Rosen 2004). Alternatively, or in addition, one might endorse a more substantive form of skepticism on the grounds that a great many normal wrongdoers don’t exhibit the sort of knowing wrongdoing supposedly required for responsibility. In other words, perhaps very many wrongdoers don’t know that they are wrongdoers and their ignorance on this score is not their fault since it doesn’t arise from an appropriate earlier instance of knowing wrongdoing. In this case, very many ordinary wrongdoers may fail to be morally responsible for their behavior. (For skeptical suggestions along these lines, see M. Zimmerman 1997 and Levy 2011.)

    There is more to the epistemic dimension of responsibility than what is contained in the above skeptical argument, but the argument does bring out a lot of what is of interest in this domain. For one thing, it prominently relies on a tracing strategy. This strategy is used, for example, in accounts that feature a person who does not, at the time of action, fulfill control or knowledge conditions on responsibility, but who nonetheless seems morally responsible for her behavior. In such a case, the agent’s responsibility may be grounded in the fact that her failure to fulfill certain conditions on responsibility is traceable to earlier actions undertaken by the agent when she did fulfill these conditions. For example, a person may be so intoxicated that she lacks control over, or awareness of, her behavior, and yet it may still be appropriate to hold her responsible for her intoxicated behavior insofar as she freely took steps to intoxicate herself. The tracing strategy plays an important role in many accounts of responsibility (see, e.g., Fischer & Ravizza 1998: 49–51), but it has also been subjected to important criticisms (see Vargas 2005; for a reply see Fischer and Tognazzini 2009; for more on tracing, see Khoury 2012, King 2014, Shabo 2015, and Timpe 2011).

    Various strategies for rejecting the above skeptical argument also illustrate stances one can take on the relevance of knowledge for responsibility. These strategies typically involve rejecting the claim that knowing wrongdoing is fundamental to blameworthiness. For example, it might be argued that it is often morally reckless to perform actions when one is merely uncertain whether they are wrong, and that this recklessness is sufficient for blameworthiness (see Guerrero 2007; also see Nelkin & Rickless 2017b and Robichaud 2014). Another strategy would be to argue that blameworthiness can be grounded in cases of morally ignorant wrongdoing if it is reasonable to expect the wrongdoer to have avoided her moral ignorance, and particularly if her ignorance is itself caused by the agent’s own epistemic and moral vices (FitzPatrick 2008 and 2017). Relatedly, it might be argued that one who is unaware that he does wrong is blameworthy if he possessed relevant capacities for avoiding his failure of awareness; this approach may be particularly promising in cases in which an agent’s lack of moral awareness stems from a failure to remember her moral duties (Clarke 2014, 2017 and Sher 2006b, 2009; also see Rudy-Hiller 2017). Finally, it might simply be claimed that morally ignorant wrongdoers can harbor, and express through their behavior, objectionable attitudes or qualities of will that suffice for blameworthiness (Arpaly 2003, Björnsson 2017, Harman 2011, Mason 2015, Talbert 2013). This approach may be most promising in cases in which a wrongdoer is aware of the material outcomes of her conduct but unaware of the fact that she does wrong in bringing about those outcomes. For more, see the entry on the epistemic condition for moral responsibility.






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    "What Are We Going to Do About Orthodoxymoron?"
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    The Liberation of EARTH - FULL DISCLOSURE Documentary 2022

    Historical Times where galactics and humans band together to liberate the Earth once and for all, read the signs and in-between the lines to get the big picture. Parts of an interview with Michael Ellegion featuring Ashtar and Celeste is in this documentary. You will start to see everything about the Galactics is real. We are fast approaching that timeline to meet us.
    orthodoxymoron wrote:I continue to be extremely wary regarding freedom, responsibility, tyranny, liberation, factions, ancient-history, and modern-conflicts. Faction A might be overthrown by Faction B which might be overthrown by Faction C, etc. What if Factions A, B, and C are all part of the same Umbrella Faction?? The liberating faction might ultimately become much worse than the first faction. An individual of interest told me, "I'll Hang-On As Long As I Can." They were NOT in favor of humanity. RA told me, "Humanity is Screwed." Another individual of interest spoke of a controlling solar system faction claiming that if they didn't get their way, they would destroy the solar system (or humanity, at least). I take this sort of thing VERY Seriously. I don't know enough to know what's really going on. I never got briefed. Actually, I doubt that would do much good (given my quickly deteriorating physical, mental, and spiritual health). Joe and I might end-up in the same hospital. Actually, I could tell you some stories about my heart-surgery and stroke. I suspect some very strange occurrences, but I don't want to talk about it. I've hinted at a United States of the Solar System commencing in A.D. 2133 with a royal-model modus operandi under God, but this is mostly religious and political science-fiction to teach us something. Hope Springs Eternal.


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    I tend to recycle and refurbish old and obsolete posts. Don't take my religious posts too seriously or personally. I mainly use my threads as a Spiritual-Smorgasbord and/or Spiritual-Switzerland. The videos in this post connected a lot of dots in the context of my overall posting. What if Ellen Goa'uld White was a Victorian Borg-Queen?? Consider researching the EGW Five-Volume Conflict of the Ages Series side-by-side with the Star Wars Movies!! Siriusly!! Historical-Fiction v Science-Fiction?? What if Lilith was the First Solar-System Borg-Queen and Eve was (and is?) the Second Solar-System Borg-Queen?? What if Lilith is Back?? Bitch is Back?? What Would Queen Anna and Agent Evans Say?? What Would Michael and Gabriel Say and Do?? An Elderly Mason Warrior told me, "They're Getting Along for Now but We'll Probably be in a War in a Couple of Years." That was in 2016 in a Masonic Cemetery. Honest. Read Between the Lines and Lies!! What Would the Lamb Slain from the Foundation of the World Say and Do?? What Would Inanna Say and Do?? I'm a 'V'. I'm Related to Anna. I Went to School with the Borg. Honest. Is John Carroll somehow relevant to Sherry Shriner's alleged home in Carrollton, Ohio?? I've lived in Chico, CA (next to Paradise) and the third video frightened me. Is there an equivalence between Isis, Persephone, Ishtar, Enki, and Zeus (for starters)?? What if Enki and Enlil were neither Male or Female (or were Hermaphrodites)?? What if somehow Enki and Enlil were (and are) the Same Being?? How might all of the above relate to Jupiter Jones, Queen Victoria, Ellen White, Artemis, Amen Ra, Marduk Ra, Sekhmet, Serqet, Gabriel, Michael, Lucifer, HAL 9000, David Bowman, Peter Venkman, Frank Poole, Ernst Stockmar, Prince Albert, Baron Stockmar, Nikola Tesla, John Trump, Donald Trump, et al?? How might all of the above relate to Ancient-Evolution, Ancient-Creation, Stolen Ancient-Technology, and Star Wars?? I suspect that some of you know the Whole-Truth, and that I'm NOT supposed to know the Truth. Consider Archbishop John Carroll, Prince Albert, and Pope Pius XII. Consider the Church, State, Life, and Teachings of John Carroll.

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    I'm on everyone's side and no-one's side (which makes everyone hate me). I'm dangerous (conceptually), but does that make me evil (in actuality)?? Is lying 'righteous', and honesty 'blasphemous'?? There's been little response to This Present Thread, which doesn't surprise me. I suspect that the Deep-State aka Secret Solar-System Government goes back to Ancient Babylon, Egypt, Garden of Eden, and War in Heaven, and is presently coming out of the closet to openly rule We the Peons. The New World Order isn't new IMHO. What if I'm a fly in the ointment?? What if I'm not supposed to be here?? Can you feel the love tonight?? I can't. I've tried to be open and honest, rather than taking a hardline-lawyerlike stance to win one for the home-team. Was that a mistake?? I'm beginning to think so. Perhaps I should continue this thread ONLY If there are responses or questions. Perhaps it's time to move-on and watch the drama unfold in my rearview-mirror. Has probation closed?? Do you feel lucky?? Even the Deceased Regret Voting for Brandon!!
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    I just re-watched the movie Spotlight regarding the church and pedophilia, and what troubled me the most was how many seemingly 'good' people looked the other way and/or deliberately covered-up the whole-mess!! This reminded me of the medical-fraud book Coronary regarding the systematic and deliberate performing of open-heart surgeries on perfectly normal hearts, in hundreds of patients, over several years, with seemingly 'good' people looking the other way and/or deliberately covering-up the whole-mess!! Is this sort of thing the Fatal-Flaw in Human-Nature OR Are the Souls Which Incarnate Humanity Fatally-Flawed?? I sense that seemingly 'good' people have looked the other way and/or deliberately covered-up the glaring-problems in the Bible, Theology, and Church-History for thousands of years!! If the Church of God can't be Honest to God, how can it expect to Reform the World?? The Blind Leading the Blind and/or the Bland leading the Bland?? Does Satan Use 'Faith and Loyalty' Against Us?? It's been my sad-realization that Believers do NOT wish to be honest and thorough about the Bible and Religion. It's also been my sad-realization that Unbelievers do NOT wish to be honest and thorough about the Bible and Religion.

    Are there ANY truly-objective Bible-Commentaries?? I lean-toward the SDA Bible Commentary mostly because of my background, but also because of my perception that it is scholarly and ecumenical, and NOT in slavery to Ellen White and the SDA Church. Much religious-literature seems to be written by Hermeneutic-Whores!! I've gone round and round with 'Good Lifelong Religious-People' about the most simple Ethical and Theological matters imaginable, with VERY disturbing outcomes. Take a long and hard look at the reality of 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' throughout the Bible and History. We seem to wish to have it both ways. Has Satan really deceived the whole-world?? 'RA' said "I've Always Remained One Step Ahead of Humanity!!" When I Suggested That Humanity Has Been Easy to Deceive, 'RA' replied "Very Easy!!" Honest. Has the 'God of This World' Been the 'Regent of This World' for at least 6,000 years?? What Would the Changeling Say?? What Would Dr. Who Do?? Do You Even Know What I'm Talking About?? Do I Even Know What I'm Talking About?? You Don't Need to Answer That Last Question. One More Thing. Once Upon a Time, a Stranger with Insider-Connections introduced himself to me as 'Adolph', and that's all I'm going to say about that. You don't suppose?? Nah!!


    I'm trying to wean myself from internet posting in the near-term and the internet in general in the long-term. I was thinking about greed, fear, deception, escalation, and assimilation (for starters). Who really wins and loses long-term?? I've passively considered the concept of a referee-supercomputer galactic-matrix governance-modality as a necessary-evil with evil-neutrality but this scares the hell out of me and deeply disillusions me. I try to study my own threads, but I can't even deal with my own madness. I've also been thinking in terms of major-newspapers and random-documentaries. I regularly consider plane-crash research. Consider the China Eastern Flight 5735 plane-crash. It's a bad one. MH370 is an ongoing aviation mystery. It's strange, but plane-crash research makes me face myself and think in a most penetrating manner. I drove four souls to the airport who I was to drive from the airport on their return trip arrival. One of them called me for confirmation the day before the crash of Alaska Airlines Flight 261. I think about this sort of thing a lot.





    I continue to wonder about Pre Council of Nicea Old-Testament Commentaries. Why is the New-Testament NOT essentially an Old-Testament Commentary (with minimal completely-new material)?? Theology is often Deceptive, Mealy-Mouthed, and Lawyer-Like!! What if there is a very-real theological-reality underlying the predominant-bullshit??!! I've been playing softball in SO many ways!! Should I start playing hardball?? What Would Richard Nixon Say?? Does 1 Chronicles to Malachi contain the essential Old-Testament Story of God's Love, Will, and Ways?? Please take a close-look at 1 Chronicles -- Job -- Ecclesiastes -- Isaiah -- Daniel -- Jonah -- Zechariah -- and Malachi. Who really wrote these books?? Why were they written?? When were they written?? Consider the following study-list:

    1. The SDA Bible Commentary -- Volumes 3 and 4 (1 Chronicles to Malachi).

    2. Prophets and Kings (EGW).

    Kicking Against the Religious-Pricks is SO Overrated!! Sorry if you don't like the SDA stuff -- but that's my background and starting-point. The SDA's don't like me either -- and I don't go to church -- so there!! I receive ZERO support and encouragement relative to this sort of thing. Just the Opposite. Here is a rather scholarly article on Moral Responsibility, taken from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. This is the sort of thing which might be studied in a university program devoted to Solar System Studies and Governance, as a prerequisite to being a Representative of the United States of the Solar System. The Missing Link I'm reading a book titled 'Free to be Responsible' by Ben Thomson Cowles, Ph.D. I'm trying to transition from being a whining speculator to being a erudite scholar. I hope some of you are joining me in this pursuit. The tempest in a teapot, which I have been in the middle of, is just scratching the surface. I tend to think that an Ancient-Verdict is playing-out, and cannot be nullified or overridden by anyone or anything, but what do I know?? Not much (in this stupid incarnation). What if the Creator of the Matrix is a Prisoner of the Matrix (just like everyone else)?? What if Resistance is Futile?? What if This Present Quest is an Exercise in Futility??

    I think that to really get this philosophical thing right, we need to be scholars. I'm trying, but the spiritual and emotional pressure I experience is often overwhelming. I really and truly am pretending, at this point, that I am working on a PhD in Solar System Studies and Governance. I know this sounds ridiculous, and in many ways, it is, but I think we need to have this sort of a goal clearly in mind. I should really put together some sort of a curriculum, but until I do, consider all of my threads to be your homework. I will be interested to read the first doctoral dissertation based upon the works of orthodoxymoron. This might be somewhat self-aggrandizing, but I really do think that there should be this type of a doctoral study. Once again, I just might create my own doctoral program, and be the first teacher and first student - simultaneously!! Perhaps I'll try, one more time, to stop posting, for a significant time-period. I need to do some homework. I need to read some books. I need to think without moving my lips and fingers. I need to take a higher road. I've probably done enough modeling to make my point. I think I've made my point. A conspiracy-theorist recently told me they were going to be much more positive. Perhaps that was a sign. Perhaps I should go and do likewise.


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    ORTHODOXYMORON GETS HIS DISSERTATION BACK FROM THE NSA!

    It might be cool to be an Indiana Jones kind of professor, but I sort of like to just research and reflect. I think that a room filled with bright college students would be too much for me! They'd probably eat me alive! It might be easier to face a room filled with Illuminati, Jesuits, Nazis, Masons, Magicians, Greys, and Dracs! Anyway, I do like the idea of a PhD program in Solar System Studies and Governance as a prerequisite to being a United States of the Solar System Representative. On the other hand, have all of the universities of the world saved us from the absurd situation we find ourselves in presently? There is such a phenomenon as 'Educated Idiots'. So how in the hell do we achieve an Enlightened Democracy? Are human beings too stupid and unstable to rule themselves? I used to think that was a stupid question, but I really wonder if we are capable of such a feat. Do we simply need a less corrupt secret government? Do we really need to be ruled from the shadows? I know what I idealistically want, but what is the reality? A celebration of a newly formed United States of the Solar System might be very short indeed. Again, I wonder if society is past the point of no return on the road to hell? Will there be a core meltdown, no matter what we do? I don't have a problem with 'crowd control' or with the human race being managed, educated, and disciplined in a kind, fair, and orderly manner. What I object to is irresponsible management and cruel exploitation. There are huge problems with the present campaign and election/selection process. The PhD thing would help, but perhaps voters should have to get a two-year degree in voting. To do ANYTHING, one should have to prove that they know what they're doing. Some have even suggested a lottery to 'elect' our leaders! How 'bout a dartboard, like the Wall Street Journal used to 'select' stocks?! This Sci-Fi Show is a Wrap! Quod Erat Demonstrandum!

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