United States of the Solar System (3)

Carol wrote:

New computers could delete thoughts without your knowledge, experts warn
Full article: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/delete-thoughts-read-your-mind-without-your-knowledge-neurotechnology-new-human-rights-laws-a7701661.html

New human rights laws are required to protect sensitive information in a person’s mind from 'unauthorised collection, storage, use or even deletion',” wrote the playwright John Milton in 1634.

But, nearly 400 years later, technological advances in machines that can read our thoughts mean the privacy of our brain is under threat. Now two biomedical ethicists are calling for the creation of new human rights laws to ensure people are protected, including “the right to cognitive liberty” and “the right to mental integrity”.

Scientists have already developed devices capable of telling whether people are politically right-wing or left-wing. In one experiment, researchers were able to read people’s minds to tell with 70 per cent accuracy whether they planned to add or subtract two numbers.

Facebook also recently revealed it had been secretly working on technology to read people’s minds so they could type by just thinking.

And medical researchers have managed to connect part of a paralysed man’s brain to a computer to allow him to stimulate muscles in his arm so he could move it and feed himself.

The ethicists, writing in a paper in the journal Life Sciences, Society and Policy, stressed the “unprecedented opportunities” that would result from the “ubiquitous distribution of cheaper, scalable and easy-to-use neuro-applications” that would make neurotechnology “intricately embedded in our everyday life”.

Mind-reading breakthrough lets scientists ‘talk’ to locked-in patients. However, such devices are open to abuse on a frightening degree, as the academics made clear. They warned that “malicious brain-hacking” and “hazardous uses of medical neurotechnology” could require a redefinition of the idea of mental integrity.

“We suggest that in response to emerging neurotechnology possibilities, the right to mental integrity should not exclusively guarantee protection from mental illness or traumatic injury but also from unauthorised intrusions into a person’s mental wellbeing performed through the use of neurotechnology, especially if such intrusions result in physical or mental harm to the neurotechnology user,” the ethicists wrote.

“The right to mental privacy is a neuro-specific privacy right which protects private or sensitive information in a person’s mind from unauthorised collection, storage, use, or even deletion in digital form or otherwise.”

And they warned that the techniques were so sophisticated that people’s minds might be being read or interfered with without their knowledge.

“Illicit intrusions into a person’s mental privacy may not necessarily involve coercion, as they could be performed under the threshold of a persons’ conscious experience,” they wrote in the paper.

“The same goes for actions involving harm to a person’s mental life or unauthorised modifications of a person’s psychological continuity, which are also facilitated by the ability of emerging neurotechnologies to intervene into a person’s neural processing in absence of the person’s awareness.”

They proposed four new human rights laws: the right to cognitive liberty, the right to mental privacy, the right to mental integrity and the right to psychological continuity.

Professor Roberto Andorno, an academic at Zurich University’s law school and a co-author of the paper, said: “Brain imaging technology has already reached a point where there is discussion over its legitimacy in criminal court, for example as a tool for assessing criminal responsibility or even the risk of re-offending.

“Consumer companies are using brain imaging for 'neuromarketing' to understand consumer behaviour and elicit desired responses from customers.

“There are also tools such as 'brain decoders' which can turn brain imaging data into images, text or sound.

“All of these could pose a threat to personal freedom which we sought to address with the development of four new human rights laws.”

orthodoxymoron wrote:I keep getting the sinking-feeling that the computers "took-over" a long time ago, and we're just finding-out about it now. Would you wish to have your consciousness downloaded into a super-computer when your body dies of natural (or unnatural) causes?? What if someone pressed the wrong button, and eliminated "YOU" for all-eternity?? I keep joking about living and working in a 600 square-foot office-apartment with a supercomputer, but is this really a stupid and farfetched idea?? What if one carried on telepathic-conversations with their supercomputer?? What if one became corrupted and brainwashed by their own computer?? Will ALL of US be thinking and speaking like computers in the near-future?? Is fast-thinking, fast-walking, and fast-talking the way of the future?? Should I wish to be a Mainframe-Linked Globo-Cop Bankster-Warrior in my next "incarnation"?? What sort of a Technological-Hell are we descending into?? What if at least some Reptilians and Greys are simply Ex Machina Creations wearing Special-Suits?? What Would Nathan Say?? "What is Reality??" might be an impossible question to answer!! What Would "Sweetie" Say?? Around the year 2000, I spoke with a sexy former Microsoft employee about Wearable-Computers (as I drove her to her waterfront-home). I thought they were the way of the future, but she said (with a smile) "Bill doesn't think so!!" What if she was Bill's Boss?? What Would Seymour Cray Say?? What Would Mr. Edgars Say?? I continue to think that wars and rumors of wars are scripted. I found it interesting that Josh from World Alternative Media mentioned that we might've been in WWIII since 9/11/2001. Catherine Austin Fitts recently spoke of WWIII extending from 2001 to 2025. I find the 2025 date interesting, in light of a short video clip from the Babylon 5 Series (below). Notice all of the dates mentioned. I keep wondering if they're significant?! Babylon 5 was made from 1993 to 1998. Notice also that December 21, 2012 is right in the middle of 2001 to 2025!! What if WWIII is a battle for the control of the REALLY Nasty Ancient-Weapons of Mass-Destruction??!!

Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Pris, I've been to a couple of The Offspring concerts (a long time ago)!! I stayed away from the "mosh-pit"!! Too much "blue-smoke" and "crowd-surfing"!! The Offspring is an old Punk-Rock group from Orange County!! "Noodles" is sort of the "Elder-Statesman" of the group. Noodles, the guitarist for The Offspring, was the janitor for the school the band went to. He was allowed into the band because he was old enough to buy the band alcohol. My parents sold a building to Seals and Crofts (to be used for rehearsing) but they didn't let me join the group!! BTW, that's Noodles standing next to Homer Simpson!!

Okay!  I had no idea so thanks for clarifying, Oxy.  That's hilarious about the alcohol thing and cool that you have something of a connection to all of this! I've not been much into the punk rock scene but it always fascinated me growing up.  I enjoyed music from The Sex Pistols and The Stranglers because my sister was into that stuff and she gave me those albums.  I used to practice Anarchy In The UK on my accordion.
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orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Pris. I once attended a Myron Floren accordion performance, and tried to get credit for my college Music-Appreciation class, but my Doctor of Music teacher didn't consider a Lawrence Welk accordionist to be a real-musician playing real-music!! Can't we all just get along?? I am MUCH More Restrained than Alex Jones and Larken Rose, but I enjoy listening to these types of people (but not all the time). I enjoy listening to The Offspring and Myron Floren (but not all the time). BTW, I love that title "Anarchy in the UK"!! What Would MI5, MI6, and OO7 Say and Do?? It's a Secret!! One more thing. A genuine-insider told me that Lawrence Welk was a jerk!! What Would The Lennon Sisters Sing??

Pris wrote: Huh... your music teacher didn't consider a Lawrence Welk accordionist to be a real musician playing real music...  That's a rather anal personal opinion, isn't it lol!  What one considers to be 'music' is rather subjective and everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but that bias should NOT have been foisted upon you to affect your grade, Oxy.  

Accordions are obviously pretty cool musical instruments.  And, you've got to be pretty cool to play one (my accordion was a 120 bass just like what Dizzy Fingers was playing... WOW, he's good!).

It wouldn't surprise me if Lawrence Welk was a jerk... though being someone's opinion (genuine insider or not), who knows what that means.

I can appreciate most things in small doses, too.
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Pris wrote: Another awesome video. Here's some words from Larken I felt quoting:

The Cult of Statism

...authoritarianism IS the problem.  The problem is not and has never been 'who's on the throne'.  The Problem is, and has always been and will always be -- until people wake up -- that there is a throne there to be on. As long as the argument is 'what government should do', 'who should run it', 'what form it should take', you're just tinkering with the details and completely ignoring the heart of the problem which is the belief in government and authoritarianism.

This is the only issue that matters:  Do you own yourself or are you the property of a ruling class? I don't care if it's a limited ruling class.  I don't care if it's a democratic ruling class.  I don't care if it's a republican ruling class.  I don't care if it's a constitutional ruling class.  If there's some beast that has the right to take your money and boss you around, it owns you.  You're not free, you don't own yourself.  And, if you actually believe that, why do you ever imagine you'll achieve freedom?  You're not even free inside your own head.

And, so when people say, "Well, these little differences..."  This is not a 'little difference'.  Either you think there can be someone with the right to rule you, or you understand that there can be no such thing or you understand the concepts of self-ownership and the non-aggression principle and what those logically lead to... which is legitimate government is a logical impossibility.  It cannot exist.  Not just 'it's really hard to maintain' -- it's theoretically and conceptually insane to think there can be a moral and righteous gang of thugs and thieves who bosses people around, takes their money.  It just doesn't work philosophically or morally or logically.

Just to add here, as you may know, I'm also opposed to (the use of, implementation of) money, barter, and trade... but that's another topic (more or less).
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B.B.Baghor wrote: ortho's words: "I try to provide a wide variety of posts -- despite accusations that I just keep saying the same things over and over again. On the other hand, if I were inconsistent, I would be accused of being confused and unstable. I frankly don't care what anyone thinks. I simply want everyone to think. Period".

Comment in the tubby with the grizzly bears catching salmon, in your post "For every salmon that is caught, hundreds make it past the bears......."

Once upon a time -- I had a digital voice-recorder which worked perfectly -- expect when recording one particular individual. A normal-sounding voice became a hideous gravely (almost demonic) voice when played-back on that particular digital-recorder!! This occurred repeatedly (without exception). I mentioned this to the Ancient Egyptian Deity -- to which they replied "Some Slip Through". Honest.

Honestly, ortho, comments on your saying the same things over and over, to me that's not an accusation. When I share that opinion, it's a comment on how it's perceived by me. For some reason you seem to be fixed on that judgment, of being accused, so that you feel compelled to repeat your message, in order to prove you're right or to make clear what it is you're after. That's a possible checkmate position, to me.

So -- is this a King and Queen War-Game?? I often feel like a Completely Ignorant Pawn!! Please remember that I am honestly modeling concepts and personalities which do NOT reflect who I am in "real-life". I might share some of the inclinations and biases -- but I don't behave like this in everyday life. What scares me is that the ease with which I model on this thread leads me to wonder if I might've been somewhat like this in previous lives. I'm honestly NOT channeling some nefarious entity. I don't do anything even remotely creepy. I might be channeling myself. Was it Lionhawk who spoke of channeling themselves?? I can't quite remember -- but I know it was someone on this forum who is no longer posting. Each of my posts are the same -- only different -- reflecting the concept of "Theme and Variations". I honestly keep feeling as though I was somehow set-up in this incarnation -- where every behavior and editorial-slant would be somehow used against me -- with the general theme of Build Them Up -- and Knock Them Down.

It's your reaction, to feel an accusation and you seem stuck in it. You're as much trying to live up to expectations of your audience as dictating your rules how the audience should listen. I think that you're in one of the most patient and kind forum here, with many members, including me, communicating with you in an open-minded way and with good intentions.

I can't dictate Rules of Listening. What Would Julian Treasure Say?? I can't even get others to listen. Period. I got bored of Aliens and UFO's -- so I wrote the following drivel (relative to a listening-class): It is probably necessary to superimpose each component of Receive-Appreciate-Summarize-Ask (RASA) -- one on top of the other -- in order to properly apply Step 5 of "Julian's Five Steps" (from a TED lecture). One might Ask to Receive the desired data -- which must then be processed by Appreciating-Summarizing and Asking clarifying and inquisitive Questions. At various stages of this process -- the order of RASA might change -- and at times be all occurring at the same time -- with an equal emphasis. RASA somewhat mirrors the Scientific-Method -- wherein one Proposes a Hypothesis -- which simultaneously Asks and Answers a Question. Data is then gathered through Asking and Answering further questions -- which are pertinent to the Original Question and Answer. Ultimately, the Gathered Data is Summarized -- Conclusions are Reached -- and the Original Question and Answer is Verified or Nullified. The overall appearance and impression one observes in others -- and which one presents to others -- which might include facial-expression -- body-language -- clothing -- walking speed and style -- are Integral-Aspects of Non-Verbal Communication. Ideally -- one might Look-Sharp -- Act-Sharp -- and Be-Sharp -- with deviations from this Norm telling various stories. Experience would be determinative regarding this methodology -- and Contextual-Superimposition might play a significant role in the evaluation of a spectrum of non-verbal communication. This is a highly tolerant forum -- but I often feel as if I am silently being fed enough rope to hang myself (which I seem to be effectively and efficiently doing each and every day). I seem to be somehow protected -- while I continue to destroy myself. I guess I keep thinking that if I am never built-up -- it is more difficult to knock me down. This whole thing is frankly a Most Dangerous Game to me. It's so sad -- that it's almost funny...

I don't choose to belittle you or your thread, or display a smiling face, at the same time shaking my head inside. Some may do that here, to sort of please you. That's not helping, does it? Many of those who read your thread, have shown you they appreciate your presence here and (maybe with some difficulty) also your thread. You are not your thread, see? That's where the sting is present, or so it seems. I feel a sameness in your trying hard and my trying hard, in a way.

Forgive me for repeating this -- but you often remind me of "Angela" in that 1978 movie "The Word" (which sends chills up and down my spine). That's actually a compliment. I honestly feel like a sci-fi script-writer. Decades ago, I spoke with a very famous Hollywood-Director's Stepmother about wishing for "someone" to create a High-Tech Science-Fictional "Life of Christ" Based Upon The Desire of Ages by Ellen White. Honest. She spoke of her stepson being fearful. Now I think I understand why -- based upon which movies were being made at that time -- and what I know now.

There's an obstacle between people's minds present here, reading your thread and yours presenting food for thought in it. So far, you don't receive what you're aiming at, that's made clear by you. To me, it seems that somewhere there's an opinion put on ice. My efforts to clarify or understand, may prove that "never the twain shall meet." That opinion on ice, or a prefixed idea, may be in the mind of the readers, in my mind also, for I truly find it hard to follow, where your mind goes, or is, ortho.

I have repeatedly stated that this thread merely scratches the surface. I could make this MUCH more complex and graphic. I've been around highly-educated English and Australian Theologians and Preachers -- and it's quite humbling -- and even a bit creepy. Some of you know what I'm talking about. This thread is sort of Gizeh-Intelligence for the Rest of Us!!

Can we meet halfway? That could work maybe....... I think    I'm honestly thinking out loud, to myself mainly, sharing it here with a purpose, if you can get that. Is making sense done by thinking? Is humour a way to bypass the trap of absolute truth and perfection? When is an answer given that is also received as an answer?

Perhaps. I'm honestly attempting to understand what Genuine Fundamentalist Biblical Theology in the Context of Ancient and Modern Science-Fiction really looks like. My starting-point is that Everyone is Right -- and Everyone is Wrong -- which makes everyone angry and indignant. Irreverent-Humor seems to be destroying me -- little by little -- yet it seems to serve a utilitarian-purpose presently -- so I shall continue to crucify myself. We all have our crosses to bear -- don't we?? Orthodoxymoron or Wave of the Future?? Time Will Tell -- as it always does...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U

Tim Minchin's Storm the Animated Movie

To me, this is a delicious merging of instinctual view and overview. Those 2 views are meant to be made aware in one moment, as I see it, in a positive "the twain shall meet".

I learned "Combining-Opposites" from Shirley Maclaine. I knew a Hollywood-Insider who told me that Shirley seemed to be lost in deep-thought when not on stage. Once -- while inside a major television-studio -- as I watched a rehearsal -- I noticed one particular individual who sat motionless and transfixed in front of the stage -- watching intently and silently -- with total-concentration. That made a deep impression on me. I honestly aspire to be that sort of person (regarding life, the universe, and everything). BTW -- I recently encountered an Individual of Interest who seemed to NOT like me one little bit -- and I think I might know why...

"The mind…  can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven" ? John Milton

Some of us seem to be "Making Heaven Into Hell" while others of us seem to be "Making Hell Into Heaven". What if CERN will somehow merge Heaven and Hell into some sort of an Eschatological Final-Jihad?? The Horror. I equate "Mind" with "Character" -- which we apparently take with us when we die. Who says "You Can't Take It With You"??

"Oxy -- You Need to Learn Your Place in the Grand Scheme of Things..."

RedEzra wrote:GOD said from the beginning that every soul who sins shall die and since GOD is not a liar so every soul who sins shall die. So basically a lot of us are f*cked ! We will die and end up in hell with the fallen angels and demons. And there is no ascension escaping this ethereal nightmare except... What ?! Is it possible for a sinnerman not to go to hell ?? YES ! Stop sinning ! But but who will make reparations for our crimes against each other ? GOD said from the beginning that only the spilling of blood can atone for sins so who's blood can cover a whole world of crimes ? That would be GOD's blood ! So will GOD pay the price for our sins and spill His blood for us ? He already did friend he already did.

RedEzra wrote:Also science must conform to the Party program... a truth therefore which does not fit into the program or ideological agenda will be silenced censored or made to look like a lie. The Party is not about truth but control ! Control over you me and everybody else who is not an inner member or on top of the hierarchy. The Party is all about staying in power! Who would you be ? Master or slave ? So you see it is only self preservation in the minds of the masters or Party tops !

orthodoxymoron wrote:I continue to be interested in what Job to Malachi REALLY Teaches. Does it support Genesis to Esther?? Does it support Matthew to Revelation?? Is the Bible the Solution and/or the Problem?? Are there other legitimate and preferable options?? Are we locked-in to arguing and fighting about Biblical-Theology?? Can the Bible be made to say whatever we want it to say?? Theology often seems to be a Nightmare. Why??

Carol wrote: in response to Orthodoxymoron

Hoping you are in good health and happiness.

Thank-you Evisnam. What Do You Think About This Post?? I Can't Seem to Get Answers From Anyone. I've tried to be exact regarding quoting RA. Here are some examples:

1. "You're Lucky to be Alive!!"
2. "I'm Tired of Keeping You Alive!!"
3. "Do You Think You Might be the One Hanging On the Cross in a Crucifix??"
4. "Serqet Has a Lot to Do With Explaining Our Relationship."
5. "I AM RA!!"
6. "You Can't Connect Anything Back to Me."
7. "I Can't Talk About the NSA."
8. "You Should Make a Freedom of Information Act Request."
9. "In Twenty Years You'll be Working for Us."
10. "It's Going to be Dark Where You're Going".
11. "I Built Las Vegas with Bugsy."
12. "I'm Rich!!"
13. "I Like the Taste of Blood!!"
14. "I've Always Remained One Step Ahead of Humanity."
15. RA called me "Michael" in Wal*Mart!!
16. RA called me a "Commoner" when I made a benign comment about Tall Long-Nosed Greys!!
17. RA asked me "Are You Ready to Run Things??"
18. RA said "I Like Genesis."
19. RA said "9/11 Was Done to Prevent Something Much Worse From Happening."
20. RA said "I'm Sorry We Couldn't Work Together. Too Much Water Has Gone Under the Bridge." This was said three days prior to Fukushima.
21. RA said "I Could Snap My Fingers, and You'd be Dead!!"
22. RA said "You'll Never Figure This Out."
23. RA repeatedly said "You Know I Can't Tell You That!!"
24. RA said "You Did It With YouTube!!"

I could continue, but this provides several clues regarding the nature of my "contact" with a very-different sort of individual. I've tried to be open, yet discrete, in discussing what happened to me. RA looked very similar to the individual who is supposed to be Ben Affleck ("Bartleby") in a "Dogma" movie poster!! That's NOT Ben in the poster!! Before this madness began, I was walking my dog, when Bartleby and Loki pulled-up beside me in their car, and looked at me for about 20 seconds, before driving away!! Honest!! An Ivy-League Divinity-School Graduate told me I was dealing with a demon!! I repeatedly discussed Sirius-Issues with RA at Starbucks!! I usually bought the coffee, and I always drove!! What Would Alan Rickman Say??

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Hello Orthodoximoron, regarding your question and information can I ask you some questions?

Thank-you, Evisnam, for your response. Questions are welcome.

When you try to connect with RA are you clean of spirit ? i.e. under the influence of any drugs which can range from caffeine to other readily available substances. I say this purely because there is a range of drugs that can " amplify " an experience or connection but very few are amplifiers of " pure " connections. The use of some drugs can amplify openings to lower astral beings and from what i can see here you may have some "toying " with you by the type of responses you are getting. Generally speaking you will only be able to connect with good intended beings if you are clean of spirit i.e.. clean from drugs and alcohol ( unless you know how to use them ).

I didn't "conjure-up" an entity. I didn't "connect" with the one who said "I Am Ra". They came to me (uninvited) possibly because of a thread I created on the old closed Project Avalon site (in 2009 and 2010) titled "Amen Ra". http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18223&highlight=orthodoxymoron+threads That might've been the "Invitation". That was probably a Mistake. I also half-seriously wrote about having a "Debate-Date" with Lucifer!! That was probably my Big-Mistake!! I've never had a drink in my life. I've never smoked a cigarette or a joint in my life. I've never taken any illegal drugs in my life. I drink coffee (probably too much). I've spoken with Terrance McKenna (a notorious drug-taking intellectual-philosopher) but I've never been a "follower". I've spoken with Dr. Timothy Leary (about Jesus) but I've never taken LSD!!

Clear of any fears and I mean ANY FEARS, if you harbor fear or judgement you will not be able to connect with beings of good intention. The photo that you use to describe the appearance of the being is usually what lower astral beings like to depict themselves as. Most times they appear as a good looking mediterranean man well dressed in a suit, very tall, deep voice, etc.. This is part or a sect of 6th dimensional beings which are reportedly part of the hidden hand or LUCIFER sect. When I say 6th dimension it’s not really a 6th dimension but a level of density that they gravitate to, I use the words 6th Dimension merely to try to assimilate what we are used to. When I went into my second fire it took me at least 3 months of cleansing, abstinence and celibacy to even reach a proper connection.

I think I'm probably overly-concerned about Nuclear-War, Chemical and Biological Weapons, Financial-Meltdowns, Civil-War, Demonic-Manifestations, St. Peter Telling Me to "Go to Hell", etc.

Question, when the entity spoke to you did it always start with the words " I Am Ra " if not then you may be speaking with, what I call, a " naughty angel " and there are plenty of those out there.

The very-physical individual of interest only once said "I Am Ra". They weren't an ethereal-entity.

Ask yourself the question, do the responses you get amplify fear in you ? then it is most probably a " naughty angel."

I was more annoyed than fearful. I pretty-much took the whole-thing in stride. It was often somewhat humorous!!

May I reiterate that the better beings of good intention hardly if ever speak audibly, they hardly even use words because they are offensive to them. Words in their realms are hugely powerful and are rarely if ever used. This is because of the clean state of their density, this is the energy matrix of which they reside. Because of its makeup only thought waves are used to communicate. Most beings in these realms cannot stand the sound of voices because they carry so much power in them. SO thought, or rather sans thought, is their preferred method of communication. Mind you, pictograms are widely used because they do not carry audible waves but rather they are a pure form of communication capable of relaying so much more than words. They also prefer you to have a metaphoric leeway with your communications, this allows the individual to have freedom within its own matrix to create its own reality by deciphering the message with its own influence. Words are way too definitive like that, hence why thy are not used.

I seemed to have learned a lot by what was unsaid. I sensed that "Ra" (or whoever they really were) was a mixture of Good and Evil. They could've been an Angel. They could've been a Demon. They could've been an Alphabet-Agent. They could've been a Tall Long-Nosed Grey Alien. Damned if I knew or know. I've NEVER done anything Creepy. I've NEVER joined a strange group or organization. I've speculated that I might be a Target because of who I might be on a "Soul-Basis". But I'm pretty-much done trying to figure-out "This Present Madness". I'll leave that up to those with Degrees and Badges. It's easier that way.

i look forward to your response.

Thank-you for your time and experience, Evisnam.

Carol wrote:

Sunday   April 30, 2017
Geopolitical Financial Warfare Escalates
by Tom Heneghan, International Intelligence Expert

The order to hack came from former CIA Director rogue neo-Nazi John Brennan.

The Wanta-Reagan-Mitterrand Protocol funds represent 27.5 trillion dollars of STOLEN U.S. Treasury funds illegally embezzled by the Bush-Clinton-Obama-CIA crooked banking cartel.

P.S. At this hour the CIA Wells Fargo, Bank of America and HSBC Asian based secret trading accounts have been frozen by U.S. Treasury officials with a warrant issued for daddy Bush’s arrest (George Herbert Walker Bush).

We can also divulge that Wikileaks will soon release spread sheets that will expose the CIA corporate-controlled media filth as enabling a 30-year scripted Bush-Clinton ponzi scheme designed to wreck the U.S. Republic, destroy the U.S. Constitution and LOOT the U.S. Treasury.

FOX News left-right box ponzi scheme will be totally exposed involving CIA asset aka “Mocking Bird” Bill O’Reilly, Roger Ailes, their attorney Israeli Mossad agent and lesbian loser Hillary “CIA” Clinton stooge Susan Estrich, arch-feminist and John Kerry Cohen CIA stooge Mary Anne Marsh, the late Tony Snow and Bush Crime Family cousin former Fox News employee John Prescott Ellis.
http://www.tomheneghanbriefings.com/

orthodoxymoron wrote:If even 10% of this stuff were true, it would still be Earth-Shattering!! I continue to include some of this material in my Religious and Political Science-Fiction, and I treat it as Science-Fiction!! I have no way of verifying 90% of what I speculate-about and post!! I guess I take it seriously, without taking it seriously!!

"You Can't Outrun or Outgun God!!"

The Ruler of This World
Will Get You In The End...

orthodoxymoron wrote:The Old-Testament ends around 400 BC -- with approximately 400 years of Biblical-Silence. I've been wondering if the New-Testament is somehow a corrupted version of Suppressed Intertestamental Messianic Writings (which might resemble the writings found in Job through Daniel -- or at least commentaries and applications of those books)?! I realize this is heresy -- and I have little evidence to back-up this radical idea. I have suggested a very careful study of Job through Daniel -- prior to studying other parts of the Bible -- using these ten-books as an interpretive-key. What if the time extending from Alexander the Great (356-323 BC) -- right up to the present -- should be viewed with extreme-suspicion -- especially regarding how this world has been run?! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great What if all the religions which came into existence during this time-period were invented and promoted by the Same Hidden PTB?! This might hypothetically include Christianity (as we know it) -- Catholicism -- Islam -- Protestantism (in all of its forms) -- and virtually every religion and sect -- as franchises of One Big Business!! If true -- this would be upsetting and revolting to everyone -- wouldn't it?! Try reading Luke and James -- straight-through -- over and over -- comparing this study with the rest of the New-Testament. Then compare that same study with Job through Daniel. As I previously noted -- only Acts -- James -- and 3 John -- do NOT end with "Amen." Was someone trying to tell us something?? Further -- consider that Luke-Acts is really one book by the same author. Likewise -- one might consider First, Second, and Third John as being one book by the same author. If there is any validity to what I just said -- what would a study of the following books yield??

1. Job.
2. Psalms.
3. Proverbs.
4. Ecclesiastes.
5. Song of Songs.
6. Isaiah.
7. Jeremiah.
8. Lamentations.
9. Ezekiel.
10. Daniel.
11. Luke.
12. Acts.
13. James.
14. 1 John.
15. 2 John.
16. 3 John.

Are these books consistent with the rest of the Bible?? If one studied these 16 books -- what doctrinal-framework might emerge?? Should a doctrinal-framework even be constructed?? Should these books simply be read (straight-through -- over and over)?? I am Not a Bible-Scholar. Not even close. I simply wonder as I wander. Once again -- I simply wish to research and reflect -- without getting angry and disruptive. I think we're in the process of finding-out some extremely upsetting and potentially-disruptive information. Being triumphalist in any of this would be a grave-error. Some say that the Catholic Church and the Pope are the Root of All Evil -- but I am suggesting the possibility of another layer of power, which even Rome is subservient to!! Groot is the Root of All Evil. Or perhaps the Mandrake is the Root of All Evil. What REALLY scares me is the possibility that the historical-madness and often ruthless and corrupt governance -- might've somehow been necessary and/or unavoidable (as insane as that sounds)!! Perhaps it has been somehow necessary for the Bad-Guys to run Earth, Inc. for thousands of years -- as revolting as that sounds!! Please consider ALL Possibilities before throwing stones!! Whenever I speculate about Solar System Governance -- I feel dirty and sick!! Perhaps there is No Good Way to Run a Solar System!! This thing might be tougher and nastier than we can possibly imagine!! Once again -- I have no idea what's true or false. I just take everything in -- and quietly move-on. What if one formulated a Mental and Spiritual Conceptualization of the Messiah based upon the following??

1. Job through Daniel (KJV).
2. The Bach B-minor Mass.

This wouldn't be Judaism or Christianity -- would it?? What would it be?? Just know that during my break I will be spending a lot of quality time with those two sources -- but, once again, this is simply an area of study, rather than being a line in the sand. What if Job through Daniel were given a completely universal-interpretation -- rather than being biased toward Judaism (ancient or modern)? What if the Bach B-Minor Mass were given a completely universal-interpretation -- rather than being biased toward Christianity or Catholicism?? Would these two sources make an effective Ecumenical Book of Common Prayer?? I often have NO Idea what people want and need. But whatever it is -- it probably has to be THEIR Idea!! Everyone seems to wish to rule (whether they admit it, or not). Can you even begin to imagine what would happen if the world were ruled by Jerusalem -- with absolute-obedience expected from everyone?? What if the Torah were the Law of the World?? Can you imagine the rioting and warfare??!! I still think that Someone-Significant REALLY wants the Battle of Armageddon!! Can't we all just get along?? Take a look at this!!

enemyofNWO wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:I'm pretty much in a state of despair. No matter who the "Real Bad Guys" are -- if they are removed -- there are undoubtedly some "Really Bad Guys" waiting to take-over. "Real Nice Guys" might not survive for five-minutes at the "Top of the Pyramid". Traditional-Religions might often be bottomless-pits of corruption and confusion -- but atheism, agnosticism, psychology, philosophy, politics, business, law, entertainment, etc. are simply different bottomless-pits of corruption and confusion. What if no one is genuinely good?? If powerless "Good-Guys" are placed in positions of power -- they might quickly turn into "Bad-Guys". We might be screwed -- no matter what we do (or don't do). We might've gotten our butts kicked in an Ancient Star War -- with the Victors ruling Humanity from the Shadows for Thousands of Years. Who Knows?? How can we REALLY know anything regarding history and how things really work?? I'll "Fight the Good Fight" -- but I'm not expecting "Paradise or Utopia" anytime soon...

Remember that " Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely " . There are no check and balances to keep in line the ones at the very top .  In a previous post your wrote : quote "with approximately 400 years of Biblical-Silence. I've been wondering if the New-Testament is somehow a corrupted version of Suppressed Intertestamental Messianic Writings". I bet that corruption, misinterpretation and false translations are  inbuilt in any translated ancient text. How could you otherwise explain that an important rabbi threatened DR Strange about the revelations of the Dead Sea scrolls  ( see above videos ) ?  The biggest secret kept from the " believers " is the " flying saucers "  and alien interventions in human affairs .  The Flying saucer became " the holy Spirit " and the  Elohim became a singular entity instead of referring to a group of people . Because the church had control of the translations , then who didn't translate in an approved way ( nothing to do with the truth and accuracy ) got the marching orders .  The ancient text were used as property not of humanity but of a private  group of people that had in mind to enslave the world . The search for total control of the population is still going on .  

orthodoxymoron wrote:I tend to agree. As I irreverently suggested before -- what if the Holy-Spirit might be the Queen of Heaven in a Flying-Saucer?? I don't mean to be mean. I'm just trying to make the insane make-sense...

B.B.Baghor wrote:

Are you familiar with the story of the 2 monks?

"Two monks were on a pilgrimage and one day, came to the shore of a river, finding a woman in search
for a way to cross the water. The monks weren't allowed, by their superiors, to touch a woman. One of
the monks, being of a scholarly nature and helpful, chose to sort of set this rule aside and obey to the
rule of his superiors and their belief, to be of service. He offered her, to carry her across on his back.
She agreed with joy.

Once on the other side, after having left the woman behind, on the shore, the two monks continued their
journey. After about 3 hours, the monk who carried the woman, said to his companion. "You know, I wasn't
supposed to do that" "What do you mean?" asked his companion. "Well" answered the other monk "The rules
forbid me to touch a woman. I'm troubled by having done it". His companion answered "Oh, now I know what
you mean, I've already completely forgotten about that woman and the incident. You still carry her on your back
and make yourself suffer from it".

enemyofNWO wrote: Thanks for the parable . I imagine that  it is taken from a chapter of the bible not published  yet. I hope your writing is proceeding OK .  Are you defensive about your religion? Does it upset you, perhaps  that ,in a discussion,   we revealed facts about  the Sacred COW called  Christianity ?  Please don't take personally discussions in a forum . I can assure you also that I don't carry anyone on my back and I don't have dead weight to expel . I am who I am and I accept it . Do you do anything to screw the system that oppresses us all ? I do , for dozens of years we have had the secret services of Europe and Australia on our back ..... they have spent millions of dollars , performed incredible number of operations and Psy -ops with no result . So we have something to be proud off . If only there were more people like us who work to screw the system and try to open the eyes of the ones that keep theirs wide shut , the system would collapse sooner .....

Please don't be upset ,   we ,not always , read pleasant material . Unfortunately the world is not a pleasant place , it is a mine field ! who am I ?  I am one of millions that realized that the catholic religion is a fraud ,  after over 60 years since I woke up about it  I am still discovering despicable acts perpetrated by that criminal organization . I live in catholic country where the malefic presence of catholicism is omnipresent so i might  be rabid when dealing with the subject . I see also the pervasive influence of this cancerous religion on the politics and the society . There seem to be no end to the criminality of the church . They have the brass face to send missionary to regions  of the third world to try to convert who doesn't need to be . I don't think that the discussions with Otho are futile ,this subject is very interesting  and I think there is  some chance that  some of the discussion might influence, in a positive way,  some readers with an open mind .  Ortho ,as the rest of us , is on a personal journey and every person has his/her own interpretation of  what is searching and what is looking for .    Did you like the videos linked in post No 2   and 3 ? They are  eyes opener don't you agree ? Be well !

orthodoxymoron wrote:In "The Exercise of Vital Powers" from the 4th season of Babylon 5 (which is depicted as being in the year 2261 A.D.) -- the statement was made that "Russia [had transitions of power] in 1917 and 2013". Mind you -- this episode was made in 1997. The Pope resigned in 2013 -- and a Jesuit became the new Pope. In "The Keys of This Blood" Malachi Martin writes about a three-way battle for control of the New World Order -- between Russia, the Vatican, and the United States. The book was published in 1990. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Keys_of_This_Blood What if Russia had a lot to do with the changing of the guard in Rome?? Supposedly -- the US and Russia might be headed for some sort of conflict. That same episode of Babylon 5 speaks of the French coming to power in 2112 A.D. I have a rare book titled The End of the World, A.D. 2133. Pope Benedict seemed a bit bitter when he spoke of "God Sleeping". I have irreverently joked that "God was just tired of all the bullshit!" All of this might not be significant -- but I find it somewhat interesting.

enemyofNWO wrote:Thanks Ortho for the links ! I  just watched the video of Malachi Martin  posted above . There is a lot of information that is very relevant   even today .  But Martin ideas that the Pope John Paul would  unite the world on moral and ethical grounds  did not happen and it is very unlikely it will in the future ,John Paul died and things got worse . Since then the church is now associated universally with pedofilia and corruption. According to Martin already  in1990 the church had to pay 95 million dollars in compensation to children victims of sexual abuse . Martin said that the Church has the most efficient secret services in the world   . How do they do it ? The confession !  of course ! Just as a test try to confess that you know of a fictitious person that wants to bump off the pope ……… See how long it takes for the police to knock at you door ? Malachi said that the church has been penetrated by the Masons.   This happened a long time ago . The picture below is of Trieste where I live  near the palace of the Questore ( the chief of Police ) there is a church and above the door there is a date in roman numerals . The picture below is taken from my e-book chapter 19 .

orthodoxymoron wrote:I've been thinking of the whole solar system as being one big business (in good and bad ways). The Catholic Church might be near the top of the pyramid -- but I keep thinking there's at least one or two layers of power beyond Rome (and probably not in good ways). But really -- the universe might have literally billions of star-wars occurring simultaneously -- from antiquity to modernity. How things are out-there probably has a lot to do with why things are the way they are on Earth. Most of this is speculation -- but there is some substance to it -- and it frankly scares the hell out of me. Without hearing anyone say it -- one day I thought about the possibility of bugged-confessionals -- and it freaked me out!! I just assume that ANYTHING I say is somehow recorded. That might be overly paranoid -- but this is reflective of Christian-Theology (and even Santa-Claus coming to town)!! I assume that all agencies are somehow interconnected (for better or worse). A lot of this is speculation -- but I keep hearing stories...

orthodoxymoron wrote:What is the relationship (if any) between Dragons -- Draconian-Reptilians -- Generic-Reptilians -- Tall Long-Nosed Greys -- Small-Greys -- Generic-Hybrids -- Dragonized-Humans -- Nephilim -- Human-Giants -- Hybrid-Giants -- Reptilian-Giants -- Normal-Humans -- Angels -- Demons -- God -- Satan -- Demigods -- et al?? I might've added a couple of non-existent categories (or I might've missed someone) -- but you probably get my question. This whole-thing always seems to be an illusive shell-game. "Top" People probably get clear and concise briefings and documents -- but "We the Peons" must wade through "Endless Bullshit". I still don't know if most of the above really exist -- so I just play a stupid science-fiction game -- to attempt to understand a phenomenon which might not even exist. Strange-Beings could originate from Distant-Galaxies -- or they could be Renegade-Creations aka Forbidden-Abominations -- from Secret-Laboratories within this solar system. Who Knows?? How might Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer relate to all of this?? Does Lucifer really exist -- or is Lucifer simply the dark-side of Gabriel and/or Michael?? Also -- is Azazel an actual Angel and/or Demon -- or is Azazel simply a Historical and Eschatological Scapegoat?? Is the Creator of Humanity considered to be "Azazel"?? Once again -- I have a very difficult time getting into the Thuban material. I'm presently taking a closer look at Biblical-Prophecy in the context of Science-Fiction. I am very-wary of Prophecy -- but I've recently felt the need to understand Job through Daniel - relative to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John -- with unconventional approaches. I always feel as if I'm playing with burning-magnesium when I consider this madness -- and a lot of it really does seem to be madness (on purpose, in many ways). What do you think about the 2300 days-years of Daniel 8:14 originating around 168 BC -- and terminating around 2133 AD?? Does Humanity have a future "As-Is" -- or will we be terminated and/or turned into various sorts of hybrids (which might not resemble humanity as we know it)?? Was the Historical Jesus Christ really the Messiah of the Psalms and Isaiah -- or is there a Hidden Historical Messiah?? This sort of thing is nearly impossible to really know about with any certainty. I'm almost to the point of completely walking away from ALL of the stuff contained within this website -- and just go back to watching television. I might even start drinking-beer and going to football-games and baseball-games. Perhaps I should forget about ethics and truth -- and live a life of skirt-chasing and riotous-living. I actually think I might rejoin the "Rat-Race" because the Rats are Winning...

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RedEzra wrote:It is probably impossible for a human being to comprehend the complete nature of GOD... for example what is GOD made of ? It is not bones and blood like human beings but still GOD is so... what is it ? What stuff is GOD made of ? In the bible it states that GOD is spirit... but what is that ? Or perhaps that is a wrong question as GOD is not what... but who. Maybe it simply is that GOD is spirit and spirit is GOD. Makes sense ?

So what can spirit do ? In the bible GOD can do absolutely anything... even the impossible at any time. So why so much misery on earth you say ? In the bible GOD gave human beings free will... to do whatever we want. Yes even blow someone's brains out... GOD is not going to stop us from making the earth a big killing field. We got free will get it ?

We got choice ! Nobody is born this or that... although genetic traits and talents are passed down the bloodline we still got the will to choose. Not what... but who we will be. When we cannot dissociate ourselves from ourselves... then it is not correct to use a word like what about ourselves. Suppose same goes for GOD. Makes sense ? Not what but who !

Not what is GOD... but who is GOD ! Is it not so ?

Who is GOD ? No you don't get to make GOD in your image ! So why are we even saying anything about GOD ? Why do some sit and explain their particular image of GOD to other people ? Because it is big business ! People may pay a lot of money to hear about GOD... yes it is true !

Now how would GOD tell His story to humanity ? Through the mouth of a woman or man ? Or through a book that would stand the test of time ?

You may shrug shoulders and say "meh i just stick to make GOD in my image"... because that is what you do friend whenever your thoughts about GOD is not found in His book.

You do not get the truth about GOD through the mouth of another man or woman !! Come on you get that... don't you ?

RedEzra wrote:
It is reasonable to assume that the bible is GOD's book because of the amount of prophecies which were written down and foretold before they happened !

One from the book of Daniel for example who lived in the 6th century BC at the time of the Babylonian empire. In chapter 8 of this book is written down the rise of the Medo-Persian empire and its subsequent fall to the Greek empire which would split into four kingdoms where from one an archetypal antichrist (Antiochus IV Epiphanes) would arise and persecute the Jews.

This is old history now but it was written down and foretold centuries before it happened. So who can do that ? Who can know the future from the past ?

"I declare the end from the beginning, and from long ago what is not yet done, saying: My plan will take place, and I will do all My will." - Isaiah 46:10

orthodoxymoron wrote:People seem to use the Bible to further THEIR Agendas, rather than HONESTLY analyzing and communicating who wrote the Bible, who they wrote it to, what the context was, etc. Religion and the Bible ALWAYS seem to involve Power-Struggling and Lawyer-Like Posturing. It ALWAYS seems to be some sort of a Battlefield. When one is honest, and admits problems, they are viewed as being WEAK. FAITH often seems to equal LYING or BELIEVING LIES. I tend to think that the REAL GOD will judge this Solar System in ways we can't even begin to comprehend. I honestly think that MOST (if not ALL) of Us are in HUGE TROUBLE. The more I honestly study, the more troubled I become. Let me repeat that I am especially interested in what Job through Malachi REALLY Teaches. Can YOU Tell Me???

wingmanof light wrote:I never felt so dang insulted !!!!!

For all I know - a demonic spirit named 'Chi'. Chi is energy you moron!!!! Its not a person or any entity!!!!

I now understand why Jesus decided to do the Shepperd thing . Because to many are to stuck in sheep mode .help help me help me. i have to leave this is to restarted.
every thing is evil you make stain proud. I take my leave of this forum your not worthy of my info.

really grow up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sheep sheep. everything is evil you will be hear for ever thinking that way.

I do forgive you you do not know what you do...... Jesus said that I now understand.

wingmanof light wrote: From where I sit you called chi demonic is the same as calling me demonic. I try to walk the center so I can be both nice or not. I chose to be nice the demonic is a button i like to take out. Not worthy???
Or call chi the light of god.

Yes we all are Worthy that's the problem. We had our DNA altered to make us as we are. Put negative influences and the self little doubting voice call Ego. We are Worthy we all are we been lied to born into bondage as you can find a all over . watch lots of stuff you will find the same thing.
No the truth is coming and it be end of 2012 or before.

Unless the creator is powerless to taker the negative out or he is leaving it Hear. Its one other the other.

wingmanof light wrote: I don't believe in kings or queens. I think they are evil to say one is more powerful just because of a blood line. But really our sol is pure pure energy what ever it is that's what it is. the physical body is an illusion and this world.

I believe in combining the royal and servant models in a merit-based (rather than bloodline-based) responsible constitutional representative republic - which might include Presidents, Popes, Kings, and Queens - and which maximizes responsible freedom.

The thought this world is obsessed with the fiscal body. it keeps popping in there like its not real if nothing its real then that puts us like a starseed that came to help. go to the link So many of them talk the same its just not one meaning something is terribly wrong. I think most all you posted is pointing out all that is linked to the  half truths.

Human physicality is an amazing combination of evolution and creation - but it is often used in an irresponsible and ungrateful manner. I don't subscribe to 'nothing is real - nothing to get hung-up about - strawberry fields forever'.

I believe this time In the now their is some bug guns in this world the creator sent hear to change this.I think believing in sin is an illusion all together. because if we are only pure energy and everything is manifested all this is put hear the veil to make us forget who we are to trap us . TO make us not feel worthy.

I think there are a lot of terrestrials and extraterrestrials who are trying to save the world. I am very appreciative of their heroic and relentless efforts. I think sin is very real and destructive. We should feel good about ourselves - yet we should feel genuine sorrow for our irresponsible and destructive thoughts and behavior - sometimes known as 'sin'.

Was watching a video and it mentioned atlantions was hear in the beginning their ship was shot down so they got stranded and built the pyramids to raise the vibration to get off. Dolores mentioned this and also a few others it mentioned more then once. so the listing to it its a common theme. All the big giants are nothing more then other civilizations tried to help and shot down to.

Interesting theory. I think we might be a renegade civilization, fighting for survival and legitimacy - for at least 600,000 years. I don't think we have had a peaceful and happy history.

Now hears the test. listen and read this whats your hart chakra say????? I get this often every time is why i belie it true. mine feels like sadden and if I think its time to set it right it fires right up.

I haven't gotten into the whole chakra thing - and so I don't know much about it. Whatever works for you.

Debating if government is actually doing the right thing.. You mentioned it to about might be in trouble. Ok what if their is a rule the creator has so they cant come hear?? if we suppress us for the reason if we are not advanced then no one would mess with us.

It feels like the really big guns in the universe are mostly watching. I still think they might not like us - but since we are possibly relatives at the soul level - they are exercising restraint - rather than just exterminating us. I get the feeling that a lot of them would like to get rid of us - once and for all. Just more speculation.

But what if that's what area 51 is about. keep the believe that's the story. Now I 100% sure we can manifest i done it to some degree a few time thoughts and such. If they tell us the worst case and we believe it we can actually make it worse. Like the radiation. If we believe its not hear we could actually make it go away. If we are human nothing more believe in how things are now then yes you may be right that we are in trouble.

I think Area 51, Dulce, Pine Gap, etc. might be under non-human control - by beings who don't particularly like humans. Research 'Gizeh Intelligence'. There's not a lot out there in cyberspace - but I think these two words might be at the center of a lot of things. Again - it feels as though humanity is in the hot-seat, rather than the driver's-seat. More speculation.

Now listen to the hart chakra and read this whats it do listen feel it ???? What if the option #3 is at play hear. God/creator the first of what ever you call him/her can and could and I think has done something. Jesus said it we can do greater things then he. and listening within I bet if we are as he said. In gods Image yes energetically look alike all sols energy bodies .the only hing different is the Body the shell the avatar body. Now you been doing it I been doing it every thing fits together all of it. I hitting the energy side and every thing attached. You traced a lot of info pointing to a one blood line keeping truth hidden.

Michael/Horus/Jesus doesn't seem to be a bossy divinity on an ego trip. They seem to be very down to earth - and a combination of royalty/divinity/servanthood. I like your use of the word 'avatar' - and I love the movie 'Avatar'. Watch it again - and read between the lines. I think a lot of it applies to our predicament. What did James Cameron know - and when did he know it?

I said it before. god has not helped us or has but not in the way we all like.  Because once we get out of sheep mode and know what we actually are we can turn thing thing around on it head very fast. If the creator wanted to test us had leave us hear say tough love so if we get it then and only then we are worthy get get his gift to be just like him. We are created as is for a reason.

If Michael/Horus/Jesus was deeply involved in the genetic engineering project aka 'The Creation' - and Micael became human - 600,000 years ago - rather than 2,000 years ago - Michael/Horus/Jesus might be in just as much (or more) trouble than the rest of us. I think we should consider ourselves to be gods and goddesses - with very small-case "g's". We should exhibit humble and dignified confidence - and kick @$$!

If they wanted a race to be all the same and think all one way would they not have created robots to think all the same to do manual labor??? Or evil has enslaved us or tried to get back at the creator because they are just that evil.

Perhaps the freedom exhibited by human beings is an innovation in this universe. Perhaps freedom is considered to be rebellion by the universal powers that be. Again, I request that the Universal Powers That Be support a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System - on a trial-basis - and that all grievances be dealt with in a reasonable, rational, and non-violent manner. I have no idea what's really been going on over that past several million years. It could be really bad. I tend to think that it's been unthinkable.

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evisnam wrote:Hello All ,  I Am Evisnam , so not to burden Carol with extra work i have been given an account so i can respond directly to you all. I would like to take this opportunity to thank Carol and all the members and staff of The Mists of Avalon for their support and indeed giving us this place to congregate and talk.

My first response to Orthodoxymoron is an important one. Forgive me for not understanding your question properly, in reading a little on the thread you started on the old Project Avalon forum... in reading parts of this thread i can see how Dogma has influenced your opinions and prompted you to ask poignant questions. Some of which you have answered your self, in relation as to why this is happening to you. It seems to me you may have gotten the attention of some that may want to create a self fulfilling prophecy for you.

We create our own demons and we create our own reality through the holo matrix of existance under the binary system. This system is goverend and manintained from the moon base. In our " apparent " realities what we create by magnitude of emotional input equates to a manifestation which interacts with the living charachters of your dogmatic beliefs. The dogma we attune to gives it life in proportion to our focus and in some circumstances brings to life enough energy to form a response in the physical.

or it just could be some jokers following you.

Either way when we speak of such things we must have some sort of respect imbed in our words , even the Lucifer sect has a distinct set of rules they must obide by. When we cross these lines of respect we ask for problems.

May i ask you if you have a dual soul ?  you seem to me to have a dual soul , this is an even mix of male and female soul complex. If so then you should adhere to a more respectful dialogue and try not to indulge in so much Hyperbole. Let me explain what i mean by this.

an example here

" Could Lucifer be the Human God of This World? Could Satan be the Reptilian God of This World? Could Amen Ra be a combination of the two? A Pleiadian Human Being...Perfectly Possessed by a Draconian Interdimensional Reptilian? "

( quote from Amen Ra thread )  

These words in print create a conjecture which is a type of judgement. Because it is symbolically written and interacted with by many, it has taken on a meaning to those who read it and in turn energise the words. It may have taken some time but i imagine their response happened some 2 - 3 years after you wrote your first lot of questions ?  

I also sense a great deal of uncertainty in your mind and i would attribute it to a large intake of caffiene , the problem with caffiene ( in large doses ) is it starts inner dialogues which go off in unfinished tangents whch seem important at the time but in reality are not. If you were to abstain for a period of 2 weeks and purify your self you will find a lot of these questions will fall by the way side.

An Important rule of thumb which can be adopted to any situation on this planet at this time in our history.

Whenever the Lucifer sect wishes to create fear around a saviour they will paint them as Evil.  Examples of which are the assasinations of Muammar al-Qaddafi , Malcom X , Mahatma Ghandi , John Lennon and John F Kennedy ( to name a few )  all at some stage were being painted as Evil by the establishment. The rule of thumb here is by degree of propoganda instated is the degree of which they are actually of good charachter.

The same can be said of most of the ET races that have been unceremoniously painted as Evil. If we indulge in un founded fear then we will be justly rewarded.

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you evisnam. The construction of that "Amen Ra" thread took probably half a year, and then "Ra" showed-up probably half a year later, and our "contact" lasted probably three-months, at which time we occasionally spoke on the phone for another three-months. Then we stopped talking to each-other. All of the Above should probably have never occurred, but it was sort of interesting, and it made me dig deeper than if it hadn't happened. I'll try to kick the coffee-habit, but it's my one vice in life. There's a lot more I could talk about, but I'm sort of trying to stop talking about this stuff. I've recently gained a few insights which have hit me hard, and I'm hesitant to continue my pseudo-intellectual quest. That male-female thing probably arises from modeling various science-fictional concepts and characters. I'm sort of an "unpaid script-writer". I honestly think I could've made a career out of that, but it's a little late now. I think I'm headed for the "poor-house" and/or the "nut-house"!! It's much too late to be another Orson Scott Card. Thanks again for your insights.

RedEzra wrote:Another prophecy which was written down in the bible is the restoration of Judea to the Jews.

After about 2000 years without a land the withered Jews returned in huge numbers and declared an independent Jewish state in 1948. Usually after such a long time people are assimilated into the culture of the host nation but for some reason the Jews continued the old customs for so long.

One thing which is absolutely astounding is that the day after the Jews declared independence they were attacked by Egypt Iraq Syria Jordan and Lebanon... and won !

Two more times in 1967 and 1973 did armies of neigbouring Arab states attack them... which again resulted in Israeli victory and a quadrupling of land. For example Egypt lost the enormous Sinai area which Israel later gave back in exchange for a peace agreement. Israel was also willing to give Golan back to Syria for peace but Syria was not interested.

When it is written in the bible that the Jews will return to their land... then ought one not take the book serious ? Especially in face of the fact that a combined Arab army with Soviet help could not beat a comparative handful of holocaust survivors... in three tries !

"In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to bring back the remnant of his people. From Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

And He will lift up a standard for the nations and assemble the banished ones of Israel. And will gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth." - Isaiah 11:11-12

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evisnam wrote:

thank you my dear Orthodoxymoron.

You have a talent for writing , i can see that. Ask your self ,

what would it feel like to be clear and finish a work from start to finish ?  

In that would be the answers to all im sure.

never give up on the dream.

“Now I know what a ghost is. Unfinished business, that's what.”

     Salman Rushhdie

Vidya Moksha wrote:Hey oxy have you read this: https://krystallnacht.com/lib/Magick%202/Lon%20Milo%20Ducette/The%20Key%20to%20Solomon%27s%20Key.pdf The key to solomons key.. By Lon Milo DuQuette Basically, solomon never existed and this was the knight templars secret.. fascinating read, but what do you make of it, is he onto something? full pdf at above link!  

RedEzra wrote:Another prophecy which was written down in the bible is the restoration of Judea to the Jews.

After about 2000 years without a land the withered Jews returned in huge numbers and declared an independent Jewish state in 1948. Usually after such a long time people are assimilated into the culture of the host nation but for some reason the Jews continued the old customs for so long.

One thing which is absolutely astounding is that the day after the Jews declared independence they were attacked by Egypt Iraq Syria Jordan and Lebanon... and won !

Two more times in 1967 and 1973 did armies of neigbouring Arab states attack them... which again resulted in Israeli victory and a quadrupling of land. For example Egypt lost the enormous Sinai area which Israel later gave back in exchange for a peace agreement. Israel was also willing to give Golan back to Syria for peace but Syria was not interested.

When it is written in the bible that the Jews will return to their land... then ought one not take the book serious ? Especially in face of the fact that a combined Arab army with Soviet help could not beat a comparative handful of holocaust survivors... in three tries !

"In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to bring back the remnant of his people. From Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

And He will lift up a standard for the nations and assemble the banished ones of Israel. And will gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth." - Isaiah 11:11-12

RedEzra wrote:The last book in the bible is an apocalypse or in english revelation of the future. So GOD has already foretold what will happen and here the events are uncovered for all to read. GOD is seen opening seven seals on a scroll and corresponding events are uncovered...

The first four seals are popularly known as the four horsemen of the apocalypse. Those four riders represent antichristianity war famine and death. The fifth seal uncovers persecution of christians and the sixth seal reveals a global catastrophe which is the beginning of GOD's wrath on a wicked world. From here on in until the end GOD executes judgements upon the earth. This is the time of terrible tribulation foretold to last 3.5 years before GOD returns in Person.

In the beginning of those 3.5 years of great trouble after the catastrophe a new world order will arise from the ashes of the old world from more or less secret bases around the world complete with high tech toys like nazi ufos. This new order will implement implantable chips which will seem like a great idea after such a global catastrophe.

But the bible warns us to not be a part of this new system and not take the chip... as this new system is nazism on steroids. And just as you would not be a nazi so you would not be a nazi on steroids... am i right ?

"And I heard a voice from heaven saying 'Write this down:
Blessed are those who die in the Lord from now on.
Yes says the Spirit for they will rest from their labors and their works will follow them.'"
- Revelation 14:3 -

RedEzra wrote:When will you come to your senses ? When will tens of thousands of testimonies from people who have met Jesus move you ? When will you crave evidence for what you believe ? When will you stand firm on facts before you form an important opinion ?  When will you say hearsay does not cut it anymore ? When will all fulfilled fortelling in the bible convince you ? When will GOD convict you ?

Pray the grace of GOD may open our eyes to the simple truth that He is Jesus Christ and there is no other !

"I Am the Way and the Truth and the Life !" - John 14:16

RedEzra wrote:What shall you say that day when you stand before Jesus to give an account of the life He gave you ? What will you talk about ?

Will you tell Him how you did it your way ? How much you loved your idols and your vain imagination and maybe even felt a little offended by Him who laid down His life for you ? What shall you say to one whom you may spend eternity with ?

The truthfulness of what is written in the bible is utterly proven. And if you don't see that by now then GOD help you !
Is your head too big for heaven ? Is that why you don't see it ?

orthodoxymoron wrote:Please explain what I've posted in Red in the previous post. That's Matthew 5-7, 23-25. I NEVER get honest and complete answers to my theological questions. Why??? The Liars and Mealy-Mouthed Shall Inherit the Earth?? Is that what the text says, or did I get it wrong??

RedEzra wrote:What is your point oxy ? You often dump long copypaste posts and make my thread heavy with what look like spam to me. Perhaps that is your purpose to bury what i write between a heap of crap... is it not so oxy ?

RedEzra wrote:A lot of christians perhaps most are born into a culture of christianity where the tradition is to go to church once a week... and that's about it. Men and women with a christian label who live like the world as christianity is just a custom for them.

The sad fact is that christianity has given CHRIST a bad name. People posing as christians have shamed the name of GOD. So when christianity is corrupt it may not be so easy to believe in CHRIST.

As history often repeats itself the exact same thing happened in ancient Israel which was why GOD kicked the Jews out of the land. There is equal opportunity to get grace or curse from GOD... it doesn't matter if we are called by HIS name or not. When we don't behave then we will get a correction from the Father.

That's just the way it is and always has been.

orthodoxymoron wrote: I'll read stuff by Masons (preferably former Masons) but I don't want to get too close to these guys.

Vidya Moksha wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote: I'll read stuff by Masons (preferably former Masons) but I don't want to get too close to these guys.

I quite agree! I stopped looking at the qabbalah for the same reasons, it became too dark.

I found DuQuette as he translated Crowley's book of thoth into understandable english, something I couldnt do myself. (that is a book worth reading with duquettes translation to hand)

i am not interested in his freemasonry or his magic, but specifically the idea that the temple of solomon never existed. i dont read much around these subjects and was genuinely interested if it might be true, and whether you had heard it said before.. hence my post..

orthodoxymoron wrote:
It's sort of similar to jumping into quicksand to save someone stuck in quicksand!!

orthodoxymoron wrote:
I'm almost to the point where I simply wish to read newspapers while listening to sacred classical music!! I swear that I am simply attempting to understand the history of the world -- with the presupposition that the Roman-Empire (Pagan and Papal) has a HUGE amount to do with why things are the way they have been (and are presently).

orthodoxymoron wrote:
please keep conceptualizing what a perfected humanity, living in a perfected solar system, would be like. What would an ideal church be like?

Vidya Moksha wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:
It's sort of similar to jumping into quicksand to save someone stuck in quicksand!!

Can you help anyone? can you even help them to help themselves?

orthodoxymoron wrote:
I'm almost to the point where I simply wish to read newspapers while listening to sacred classical music!! I swear that I am simply attempting to understand the history of the world -- with the presupposition that the Roman-Empire (Pagan and Papal) has a HUGE amount to do with why things are the way they have been (and are presently).

I was just passing curious. I am interested in history, i never studied it much and am only just catching up!

I am curious by how things got here, but not overwhelmed by it. Science is mankind's attempt at describing something he didn't create, but its just a game. same with religion. I will carry my curiosity with me but I am more interested in living in what is here, rather than wondering why it is here.

orthodoxymoron wrote:
please keep conceptualizing what a perfected humanity, living in a perfected solar system, would be like. What would an ideal church be like?

Oh man! at last, hey oxy, that is an oxymoron! well done lol

I am away again now, will catch up maybe somewhen.

magamud wrote:

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RedEzra wrote:There you go again... that is spam. What's next ? Copypaste of the whole book of Revelation ? At least you didn't dump an insane amount of utube clips and pics this time.

Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:I don't seem to be capable of properly studying much of anything these days, but I keep trying to give the rest of you some clues. Unfortunately, I KNOW No-One Gives a DAMN About What I Suggest.

Lol yet another one of your cries for attention, Oxy?  Congratulations -- you caught mine.  May I say there are a few of us here who actually do give a damn and you KNOW it.  Besides, as you must already know, giving a damn doesn't mean having to agree with someone, like them, or listen to everything they have to say.
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RedEzra wrote:
Some think since the universe is so huge that GOD could not care about earth !? and that man like an ant upon it is insignificant in GOD's mind !? Some think GOD is some sort of impersonal substance !? Some think they are GOD !? and some more modest think they can become GOD !? Some don't think GOD exist !? Some think GOD wants them to kill those who don't think like them !? Some think GOD gave them licence to sin !? Why are they not doing manual labour ? Some just have too much time to think...

Questions...    Who are you to judge?  Coupled with your assumptions/'truths', who are you to judge any of it let alone who has 'too much to think' lol?   You have a pretty serious yardstick. Let people think whatever they want and let them pay the consequences for their actions. This is why it is good to eat from 'the tree of knowledge' so each of us can think freely for ourselves and make responsible (response able) choices that guide our lives. In my mind and heart, all that matters is what I think, what I feel, and what I know.  By the way, that doesn't mean I care less about you or anyone else.  Because I care about me, I care about you, too.
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RedEzra wrote:I'm not judging... just thinking out loud that it may be much more fruitful for all of us if some or most concentrate on manual labour instead of philosophizing. After all we are supposed to steward this earth and not sit around thinking thoughts that are more or less thoughtless. So much confusion today about truth as just about everyone has a thought about it... but as we know when grashoppers become too plentiful they destroy everything that is fruitful. It is not too much to ask for some sort of proof which back up what we believe else we may be wasting time and energy with vain imaginations. Don't get me wrong dreaming is fine... but please don't try to pass it on as truth. In this thread there is provided proof about GOD... so anyone can imagine what i think about all the philosophizing. And the reason i take the time to do the research and share the results is because i care as well... compassion and charity is love in action.

Swanny wrote:Sorry but due to the nature of this reality there is no such thing as proof of a god or anything else for that matter. No one can claim to know the truth about anything and only a fool would do so. The very best anyone can offer is their theory on what they believe to be true.

RedEzra wrote:Apology not accepted lol... i'm sorry too but the fulfilled prophecies in the bible and the testimonies from thousands who have met Jesus and the archaeological discoveries of Ron Wyatt and the astronomical work of FA Larson prove GOD.

Vidya Moksha wrote:pop up like a bad penny i do..

i had to buy more internet credit to communicate with friends on other continents...

had a glimpse above. few random thoughts?

1. ever heard of the concept of paragraphs? it involves the carriage return, makes reading the text a lot easier.

2. hindhus on the ground are a cool bunch for the most part, as everyone and everything is Hindu :) Jesus? yeah, hes Hindu, Buddha? yep, hes a Hindu god as well.. etc.. which is actually more relaxed than say, Christianity, which always seems to have a nasty streak, promising hell fire and awful things if we dont comply.. is it a symptom of their nailed tortured god? i mean what is that for a religious symbol? seriously!

3. consider exoteric vs esoteric religions. All exoteric religions have an esoteric 'inner' 'hidden' part (theosophy now, not religion) and ALL esoteric religions say the same thing. i always considered exoteric stuff to be a smoke screen and distraction, allowing those beyond time and space to think and breathe..

4. the esoteric side of hinduism is more interesting, although the exoteric is more colourful. i do like the hundu pantheon, which can also be viewed as universal energies..

The shad darshanas are esoteric forms of Hinduism. There are two main schools: sagunavad (divine spirit) and nirgunavad (nature).  The sagunavad philosophies describe ‘the highest/absolute’ as having some form or attributes whereas the nirgunavad scriptures say ‘the highest/absolute’ is without any form, it is nothing.  

In the sagunavad (divine spirit) school, the orthodox minimosa system describes mantras, chants and rituals to be offered to deities who will return favours and grant boons. The non-orthodox tarkic systems (vaisheshik and nyaya) are logical philosophies that claim deduction and inference are valid methods of attaining knowledge. The tarkic systems classify everything in the universe according to seven main principles including elemental make-up, motion (karma) and the state of existence.

In the nirgunavad (nature) school, the orthodox vedanta system recognises brahman as the indivisible ultimate reality without form and teaches advaita (non-dualism). The non-orthodox samyoga systems (sankhya and yoga) teach that union with the highest can be achieved through practical effort and experience (karma). They recognise the concept of brahman as the ‘unknowable and ultimate’ but in order to analyse the ‘unknowable’ it is sub-divided it into 25 categories or attributes that are knowable and may be analysed. Purusha (soul) and prakriti (nature) are the two primary classifications in samyoga teachings; these being equal and opposite principles (c.f. yin and yang). The phenomenal universe is then further divided into 23 other physical and non-physical categories. Yoga differs from sankhya in recognising an additional principle, ishvara (god), who is supreme ruler of the universe. In the upanishads, yoga is sometimes referred to as serhvara sankhya - ‘theistic’ serhvara.

Vidya Moksha wrote:Hi Chris. I wasnt really thinking about this, but it sort of popped up as another excuse for some more procrastination on my part.

I do like analogy and metaphor to describe some of these higher experiences, its actually a pretty useful tool, a series of animated cartoons would be the easiest and best way to portray a lot of this 'mystical' stuff.

It is my opinion that the biggest hurdle to these higher states is the barrier that has been placed by the wrong words, either intentionally (to mislead and distract, new age is massive business) or simply through poor understanding.

There are many seekers but they all have the wrong map, they cant find what they are looking for if the map is pointing the wrong way. the map is words.

"we must get rid of the ego to reach spiritual enlightenment" is painfully funny, or just painful some days, or sometimes not funny at all. the three main words in that sentence are all misleading or inadequate or wrong. ego is nebulous, it needs to be better defined, you really do have to know how to separate the components of 'ego' if you want to reach these states through personal effort. spiritual is third eye, astral, dreams, they mean 'mystical'. enlightenment is new age bullshit par excellence, im not even going there again - see above.

Metaphor time, Horse and cart. Imagine the monkey mind as egotism (asmita, the 'i-want' ego). That monkey-mind chatter is the horse, driving the cart, the cart is the self (ahem, the 'i-am ego'). its a clever monkey because it can train itself (through meditation etc) to be so quiet you dont think its driving the cart. but it is.

When you reach advaita the monkey-mind is switched off, it is not quiet, it is turned off. there is no i-want ego. this is the 'ego' the 'spiritual' (sic) crowd ( ) seek to lose to achieve enlightenment ( )

Now! the monkey mind isnt dead, it is now the cart, it 'follows' you! and you are you , the i-am ego remains, without monkey-mind there is no choice, so you only have free will. you, ahem, are free to do whatever you want, but you have no choice. You are the horse now, but you cant do anything there is no action, or intention to do an action or a memory of an action, you are just you in that instant, with free will..

do you start to imagine what it is do do something without doing it? but there is still a self to do nothing!

does that work as a metaphor?

i must add! achieving advaita is not a rational thought process, you dont think your way there or analyse your way there, you step through an invisible gate into an alien world, it is an order of magnitude above what you can 'imagine'.. but the metaphor holds good, which is why metaphors are good, and cos im not clever enuff to make up sutras.

but i say the horse and cart are for peasants, i want it all... and i want it now

Another metaphor?
have you realised, good folk, that consumerism is the number one enemy?, wars and climate are just distraction while we terraform the planet for our iphones, the martians did land and we are terra -forming the planet for them..

or is a metaphor? lol..

Pris wrote:

Swanny wrote:Sorry but due to the nature of this reality there is no such thing as proof of a god or anything else for that matter. No one can claim to know the truth about anything and only a fool would do so. The very best anyone can offer is their theory on what they believe to be true.

Bingo!  I certainly have plenty of my own foolish ideas to what I think is going on (that's what happens when you have lots of time to think... heaven forbid).  
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Pris wrote:

RedEzra wrote:I'm not judging... just thinking out loud that it may be much more fruitful for all of us if some or most concentrate on manual labour instead of philosophizing. After all we are supposed to steward this earth and not sit around thinking thoughts that are more or less thoughtless.

So much confusion today about truth as just about everyone has a thought about it... but as we know when grashoppers become too plentiful they destroy everything that is fruitful.

It is not too much to ask for some sort of proof which back up what we believe else we may be wasting time and energy with vain imaginations. Don't get me wrong dreaming is fine... but please don't try to pass it on as truth.

In this thread there is provided proof about GOD... so anyone can imagine what i think about all the philosophizing.

And the reason i take the time to do the research and share the results is because i care as well... compassion and charity is love in action.

Okay then.  Let me rephrase myself.  Your 'thinking out loud' thoughts tend to be rather... judgemental.

Anyway, we are not grasshoppers.  Even as an allegory, I won't bite that one.  Don't get me wrong -- I like grasshoppers.

'The more, the merrier.'  

What's proof really in the end?  Each person has to decide for themselves what is 'proof'.  What one sees as proof may not be what another considers to be proof.
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Pris wrote:

RedEzra wrote:

Swanny wrote:Sorry but due to the nature of this reality there is no such thing as proof of a god or anything else for that matter. No one can claim to know the truth about anything and only a fool would do so. The very best anyone can offer is their theory on what they believe to be true.

Apology not accepted lol... i'm sorry too but the fulfilled prophecies in the bible and the testimonies from thousands who have met Jesus and the archaeological discoveries of Ron Wyatt and the astronomical work of FA Larson prove GOD.

Testimonies...  Have any photos by chance?

Side note:  When a person's 3rd eye is open, they tend to come up with all kinds of interesting... testimonies -- depending on their belief system/how they perceive their 'reality'.

Assuming Jesus is/was real, 'Jesus' could come back claiming to be Jesus and all and that still wouldn't be proof enough (for everyone) because it all comes down to the individual and how that individual decides to interpret their reality.  In this convoluted world?  Any one of us could be -- or claim to be or believe themselves to be -- Jesus. Even to assume that 'Jesus' must represent a single person... therein lies the joke.

The same goes for 'God'.

Fulfilled prophecies?  Lol you gotta love those.  Humans are soooo good at shaping/steering the reality they want, don't you think?  

It's all very amusing/entertaining... entraining...
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RedEzra wrote:I did not believe what was written in the bible about GOD because it did not sound that believable to me. It just didn't resonate... so i can understand and relate with all of you.

Actually i thought i had found a truth which would suffice for me and that truth looked a lot like what venerable greybeard and mother mudra thought as well.

But one day i came across a testimony from a muslim man who was attacked by an invisible being who would not let go of his throat until he cried out to Jesus. Whoa i thought wait a minute that can't be right... that man must be making this up. It just sounds too far out doesn't it ? But then a whole world of people who have been helped and healed by Jesus in similar ways opened up to me... and i thought they can't all be lying can they ?

Perhaps there is something to this Jesus saving people in need and distress... so i set out to study the bible i mean really really study and i even got a chance to experience calling on Jesus myself when invisible beings where whispering around me at night in bed... i felt afraid and said Jesus and the moment i said it was as if a light was switched on inside my head so bright and then all went quiet no more whisperings in the dark.

After a while i came across the work of Ron Wyatt and FA Larson who used what was written in the bible to find biblical artifacts and the star of bethlehem.

So i came to my senses and said there is just too much tangible evidence for the biblical story here... so i cannot but believe.

RedEzra wrote:It could come around to you... that hard rock bottom or the end of the line where all resources are exhausted and there is simply no way out except suicide. It could come around to you !

"WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED" - Romans 10:13

GOD has done His part people !

So sorry as if GOD's work was done no GOD is still doing His part.

Swanny wrote:If it works for you then I'm happy for you Red

But it would take more than a few stories for me to believe in gods and deities. Nothing more than hearsay.
Plus I don't need to believe in lords or gods thanks

RedEzra wrote:Okay then swanny... just remember to call on Jesus if you're in trouble right : )

Swanny wrote:Haha no thanks, no point calling on something I don't believe in
Might as well call on Father Christmas

RedEzra wrote:What is the abomination of desolation ?

"So when you see standing in the holy place the abomination of desolation as described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand) then let those in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house and let no one in the field return for his cloak." - Matthew 24:15-18

Something suddenly showing up on the temple mount in Jerusalem ? Something which is flying in the air ? Something which would signal it is time to take to the hills ?

"And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and in the middle of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.” - Daniel 9:27

Is the abomination of desolation a ufo ? Ufos are nazi tech and an important part of the new nazi world order.

RedEzra wrote:So a lot of powerful people in just about every nation were closet nazis and especially in the UK where the royal stock come from Germany and the US where the majority of the population were germans before and during the two world wars.

So there is a very good reason as to why the politic of the world today feel like nazi... is because it is !

The bottom-line is that I simply wish for everyone (human and otherwise) to be happy.

devakas wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:The bottom-line is that I simply wish for everyone (human and otherwise) to be happy.

Qualification and authority required. Qualify and know authority Ortho to be happy yourself first

magamud wrote:

In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp,
double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

magamud wrote: