I had started hijacking this thread: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2163-california-san-andreas-fault-over-75-earth-quake-expected-march-19th-21st-warning (sorry Carol). Since I was really burning to get this out, another thread...
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Hinkley is in S/E California, not N/W, like me. This is just for effect, but if they can do something like this...
...and nuclear power on the sea of Southern California...
http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2182-haarp-ring-over-europe-a-sign-of-something-to-come-march-17-2011#40280
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Again, within the last hour -
Magnitude 3.3
Date-Time Sunday, March 20, 2011 at 22:08:33 UTC
Sunday, March 20, 2011 at 03:08:33 PM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones
Location 38.837°N, 122.756°W
Depth 1.2 km (~0.7 mile)
Region NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
Distances 3 km (2 miles) W (274°) from Cobb, CA
6 km (4 miles) NE (46°) from The Geysers, CA
9 km (6 miles) NW (321°) from Anderson Springs, CA
23 km (14 miles) E (79°) from Cloverdale, CA
43 km (27 miles) N (354°) from Santa Rosa, CA
116 km (72 miles) WNW (286°) from Sacramento, CA
Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 0.1 km (0.1 miles); depth +/- 0.2 km (0.1 miles)
Parameters Nph= 51, Dmin=0 km, Rmss=0.08 sec, Gp= 54°,
M-type=local magnitude (ML), Version=2
Source California Integrated Seismic Net:
USGS Caltech CGS UCB UCSD UNR
Event ID nc71545631
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Calpine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calpine
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Deep Heat Mining
http://askville.amazon.com/technology-deep-heat-mining-Swiss-generate-steam-widely/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=2595275
Because the technology isn't ready yet
As far as I can tell, the Swiss are only experimenting with deep heat mining, and they haven't applied it on any large scale yet, either. You can't expand the application of the technology until the bugs have been worked out, and you don't know what the bugs are until you try. I can only guess at some of the problems they'll encounter, but here some things I can forsee:
Digging that deep isn't trivial. We do it, but the technology is expensive. An entrepreneur who wishes to do the first experiment has to scrape up a lot of money.
Once you get to the heat, you have to get it where you need it. You can pour water into the hole, but then you have to get the steam to the generator.
How much will the steam cool before it gets to the generator?
How do you build a pipe to carry it, and make sure it won't corrode?
How much power can you actually get from a bore-hole? The heat down there is essentially infinite, but it moves slowly.
If you pour water on a hot rock, it cools down. It'll heat up again, but how fast? That rate limits how much power you can get out, which in turn limits how cost-effective it is to get the energy out.
Is it safe? You're pumping out high-pressure, high-temperature steam. How do you go about making sure that that's all safe.
Obviously these are problems the Swiss think they can solve; they don't seem insoluble to me. There are certainly other problems I can't imagine, because I'm not a geotechnical engineer (but if you still don't believe me, I know geotechnical engineers and get more details from them).
I hope they do solve them. I don't know if we're at "peak oil" or not, but I know that burning oil is bad both politically and environmentally even if there were plenty of it. And I hope that once they've solved the problems, it proliferates quickly.
Fracking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_fracturing
"While the main industrial use of hydraulic fracturing is in stimulating production from oil and gas wells,[7][8][9] hydraulic fracturing is also applied to:
Stimulating Groundwater wells[10]
Preconditioning rock for caving or inducing rock to cave in mining[11]
As a means of enhancing waste remediation processes (usually hydrocarbon waste or spills) or spills.[12]
Dispose of waste by injection into suitable deep rock formations
As a method to measure the stress in the earth."
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I should also mention that this area is near some old mines (cinnabar for mercury).
Mercury Contamination from Historic Gold Mining in California:
http://ca.water.usgs.gov/mercury/fs06100.html
Mines in Lake County, California:
http://californiamaps.org/map.php?county=Lake&type=mine
Borax Lake:
http://www.mindat.org/loc-3437.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borax_Lake_Site
Sulphur Bank Mine and Borax Lake
http://bioregion.ucdavis.edu/book/10_Clear_Lake/10_21_cl_sulphur.html
The UC Davis team studying the mercury problem in Clear Lake for EPA has documented a classic case of food chain accumulation of mercury. Small invertebrates near the base of the food chain have methyl mercury levels around a few hundredths of a part per million. Small fish run around a tenth of a part per million. Big, long-lived predatory fish-the bass and catfish that appeal to most consumers-run about 1 part per million. Osprey run around 2 parts per million. The levels of methyl mercury in shellfish eaten by the Japanese people who were poisoned in the 1950s at Minamata Bay had mercury concentrations around 10 parts per million, so it is probably impossible for an adult to contract mercury poisoning from eating Clear Lake fish. The DHS warning reflects, as it should, a safety factor. The objective of the EPA cleanup is to reduce influx of inorganic mercury into the lake so that natural burial of the contaminated sediments eventually reduces the supply of mercury for the methylation process and brings fish methyl mercury concentrations back into the safe range. UC Davis investigators estimate that five to ten years should be sufficient to dramatically reduce the inorganic mercury available at the sediment surface, once the ongoing supply is stopped.
Clear Lake:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_Lake_(California)
Heavy metal contamination
The lake is heavily contaminated with mercury from the nearby Sulphur Bank Mercury Mine.[1][2] The nearby abandoned mine was declared a Superfund site in the early 1990s [3][4][5] and is still undergoing cleanup. The California Department of Fish and Game presently recommends that women of childbearing age and children limit their consumption of certain fish from Clear Lake, due to the presence of methylmercury compounds in lake sediments.[6]
<a href="https://s835.photobucket.com/albums/zz272/DSummerMan65/?action=view¤t=ClearLake.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="https://2img.net/h/i835.photobucket.com/albums/zz272/DSummerMan65/ClearLake.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
I would not be so bold as to suggest that we have been raping this particular pice of real estate for a while, or that anybody with dark energies could in any way benefit.
PG&E
HigherLove wrote:Thanks, Carol.
Per my edits above, the most recent quake in Northern California was a few miles from me, in the geysers. :op
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geysers
"The Geysers geothermal development spans an area of around 78 km² (30 mi²) in Sonoma, Lake and Mendocino counties in California, located in the Mayacamas Mountains. Power from The Geysers provides electricity to Sonoma, Lake, Mendocino, Marin, and Napa counties. It is estimated that the development meets 60 % of the power demand for the coastal region between the Golden Gate Bridge and the Oregon state line."
Carry on...
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Quakes/nc71544341.php
2 km (1 miles) NE (52°) from The Geysers, CA
6 km (4 miles) WSW (243°) from Cobb, CA***
9 km (6 miles) WNW (294°) from Anderson Springs, CA
20 km (12 miles) E (87°) from Cloverdale, CA
41 km (25 miles) N (350°) from Santa Rosa, CA
118 km (73 miles) WNW (284°) from Sacramento, CA
***Cobb is where this sort of kicked into high gear for me (getting stuck in the snow near the geysers). I am still waiting for them to finish repairs on my car.
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Signing off, for now.
I'm not feeling pessimistic.
But just in case...You are loved
I trust my energies have been spent well, and that I am granted a great rest in merciful arms, as so many others remain vigilant.
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Hinkley is in S/E California, not N/W, like me. This is just for effect, but if they can do something like this...
...and nuclear power on the sea of Southern California...
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HigherLove wrote:This is from within the last hour, again. This is all the geysers. As noted, they are pumping treated wastewater back into the field in order to continue producing steam to turn the turbines.<a href="https://s835.photobucket.com/albums/zz272/DSummerMan65/?action=view¤t=todayquake.gif" target="_blank"><img src="https://2img.net/h/i835.photobucket.com/albums/zz272/DSummerMan65/todayquake.gif" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
Edit:
When PG&E first started doing this, residents of Anderson Springs (near me) were having quakes that were strong enough to topple brick chimneys. As a result, the flow rate was adjusted to reduce the shaking.
http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2182-haarp-ring-over-europe-a-sign-of-something-to-come-march-17-2011#40280
Note to self: At 2:02, he mentions the geysers in Nor Cal.Carol wrote:dutchsinse — Mar 20, 2011 — link to PDF from the Eurpoean seismic agency .. seminar on MAN MADE earthquakes.. aka "induced seismicity" http://www.emsc-csem.org/Doc/M<wbr>eetings/ECGS_FKPE_workshop_fir<wbr>st_circular.pdf *************** credit to youtube user: xDarkcynx subscribe to their channel here ! https://www.youtube.com/user/xD<wbr>arkcynx good find! you deserve a gold medal for putting us one step closer to stopping the destruction of our planet! you sir, have done humanity a service! xDarkcynx lol have a field day with this proof that they have man made Seismicity and they actually run workshops on it http://www.emsc-csem.org/Doc/M<wbr>eetings/ECGS_FKPE_workshop_fir<wbr>st_circular.pdf wish i could go to the next 1 got so many questions peace **************** yes, PEACE and love to one another during these extraordinary times! the truth SHALL prevail ! keep up the good fight! dutchsinse
SMOKING GUN on MAN MADE Earthquakes! March 20, 2011
QUOTE: Well, we now know that there are seven massively huge plumes of asphalt/abiotic fluid gushing up right next to a major salt dome, in the Gulf of Mexico. Today, 4 U.S. Military double rotor helicopters flew north along the mid Florida coastline. I've never seen them do that before. I wonder if they know something that we don't know? If the floor of the Gulf of Mexico goes, due to the open fissures and depletion of the salt dome by the Macondo well, Florida might get sucked into the vortex!
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<a href="https://s835.photobucket.com/albums/zz272/DSummerMan65/?action=view¤t=geysers3.gif" target="_blank"><img src="https://2img.net/h/i835.photobucket.com/albums/zz272/DSummerMan65/geysers3.gif" border="0"></a>
Again, within the last hour -
Magnitude 3.3
Date-Time Sunday, March 20, 2011 at 22:08:33 UTC
Sunday, March 20, 2011 at 03:08:33 PM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones
Location 38.837°N, 122.756°W
Depth 1.2 km (~0.7 mile)
Region NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
Distances 3 km (2 miles) W (274°) from Cobb, CA
6 km (4 miles) NE (46°) from The Geysers, CA
9 km (6 miles) NW (321°) from Anderson Springs, CA
23 km (14 miles) E (79°) from Cloverdale, CA
43 km (27 miles) N (354°) from Santa Rosa, CA
116 km (72 miles) WNW (286°) from Sacramento, CA
Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 0.1 km (0.1 miles); depth +/- 0.2 km (0.1 miles)
Parameters Nph= 51, Dmin=0 km, Rmss=0.08 sec, Gp= 54°,
M-type=local magnitude (ML), Version=2
Source California Integrated Seismic Net:
USGS Caltech CGS UCB UCSD UNR
Event ID nc71545631
___________________
Calpine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calpine
__________________________________
Deep Heat Mining
http://askville.amazon.com/technology-deep-heat-mining-Swiss-generate-steam-widely/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=2595275
Because the technology isn't ready yet
As far as I can tell, the Swiss are only experimenting with deep heat mining, and they haven't applied it on any large scale yet, either. You can't expand the application of the technology until the bugs have been worked out, and you don't know what the bugs are until you try. I can only guess at some of the problems they'll encounter, but here some things I can forsee:
Digging that deep isn't trivial. We do it, but the technology is expensive. An entrepreneur who wishes to do the first experiment has to scrape up a lot of money.
Once you get to the heat, you have to get it where you need it. You can pour water into the hole, but then you have to get the steam to the generator.
How much will the steam cool before it gets to the generator?
How do you build a pipe to carry it, and make sure it won't corrode?
How much power can you actually get from a bore-hole? The heat down there is essentially infinite, but it moves slowly.
If you pour water on a hot rock, it cools down. It'll heat up again, but how fast? That rate limits how much power you can get out, which in turn limits how cost-effective it is to get the energy out.
Is it safe? You're pumping out high-pressure, high-temperature steam. How do you go about making sure that that's all safe.
Obviously these are problems the Swiss think they can solve; they don't seem insoluble to me. There are certainly other problems I can't imagine, because I'm not a geotechnical engineer (but if you still don't believe me, I know geotechnical engineers and get more details from them).
I hope they do solve them. I don't know if we're at "peak oil" or not, but I know that burning oil is bad both politically and environmentally even if there were plenty of it. And I hope that once they've solved the problems, it proliferates quickly.
<a href="https://s835.photobucket.com/albums/zz272/DSummerMan65/?action=view¤t=Wile-E-Coyote1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="https://2img.net/h/i835.photobucket.com/albums/zz272/DSummerMan65/Wile-E-Coyote1.jpg" border="0" width="100"></a>
Fracking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_fracturing
"While the main industrial use of hydraulic fracturing is in stimulating production from oil and gas wells,[7][8][9] hydraulic fracturing is also applied to:
Stimulating Groundwater wells[10]
Preconditioning rock for caving or inducing rock to cave in mining[11]
As a means of enhancing waste remediation processes (usually hydrocarbon waste or spills) or spills.[12]
Dispose of waste by injection into suitable deep rock formations
As a method to measure the stress in the earth."
_______________________________________________________________
I should also mention that this area is near some old mines (cinnabar for mercury).
Mercury Contamination from Historic Gold Mining in California:
http://ca.water.usgs.gov/mercury/fs06100.html
Mines in Lake County, California:
http://californiamaps.org/map.php?county=Lake&type=mine
Borax Lake:
http://www.mindat.org/loc-3437.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borax_Lake_Site
Sulphur Bank Mine and Borax Lake
http://bioregion.ucdavis.edu/book/10_Clear_Lake/10_21_cl_sulphur.html
The UC Davis team studying the mercury problem in Clear Lake for EPA has documented a classic case of food chain accumulation of mercury. Small invertebrates near the base of the food chain have methyl mercury levels around a few hundredths of a part per million. Small fish run around a tenth of a part per million. Big, long-lived predatory fish-the bass and catfish that appeal to most consumers-run about 1 part per million. Osprey run around 2 parts per million. The levels of methyl mercury in shellfish eaten by the Japanese people who were poisoned in the 1950s at Minamata Bay had mercury concentrations around 10 parts per million, so it is probably impossible for an adult to contract mercury poisoning from eating Clear Lake fish. The DHS warning reflects, as it should, a safety factor. The objective of the EPA cleanup is to reduce influx of inorganic mercury into the lake so that natural burial of the contaminated sediments eventually reduces the supply of mercury for the methylation process and brings fish methyl mercury concentrations back into the safe range. UC Davis investigators estimate that five to ten years should be sufficient to dramatically reduce the inorganic mercury available at the sediment surface, once the ongoing supply is stopped.
Clear Lake:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_Lake_(California)
Heavy metal contamination
The lake is heavily contaminated with mercury from the nearby Sulphur Bank Mercury Mine.[1][2] The nearby abandoned mine was declared a Superfund site in the early 1990s [3][4][5] and is still undergoing cleanup. The California Department of Fish and Game presently recommends that women of childbearing age and children limit their consumption of certain fish from Clear Lake, due to the presence of methylmercury compounds in lake sediments.[6]
<a href="https://s835.photobucket.com/albums/zz272/DSummerMan65/?action=view¤t=ClearLake.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="https://2img.net/h/i835.photobucket.com/albums/zz272/DSummerMan65/ClearLake.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
I would not be so bold as to suggest that we have been raping this particular pice of real estate for a while, or that anybody with dark energies could in any way benefit.
PG&E