St Germain and Charles

Floyd wrote:It was not a suggestion made by a member of Avalon

The refrence to St Germain is here from Atticus aka Charles

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12987-Questions-and-Answers-from-Bill-about-the-Charles-material/page6


"St germain,is a name.
He is my father.I'm his only son to survive
He sent me to china to get the last seven.
I was recalled because they have made there pact and are impregnable.
He called me back because they are going to try and construct there own engine,from documents and drawings seized from Egypt.
This puts us in a precarious position(fredkc brace yourself here they come old son).
An offence is starting,they need various info and what parts of old that still exist."


The modern history of St Germain goes back to Godfre Ray King and his wife Lotus Ray (real names Guy and Edna Ballard) in the 1930s who set up the I Am activity teachings. They were not theosophists as far as I understand but they took the theory of advanced beings from theosophy and jazzed it up a little though they are not in the Theosophical family tree.. Theosophists frown upon them.

The couple were eventually done for mail fraud but their legacy continued and exists today in offshoots including the Saint Germain Press

after the Ballards came

Geraldine Innocente who. in the 50's founded the Ascended Masters group 'The Bridge to Freedom'
A follower of these teachings emerged Mark Prophet who later was to form the Summit Lighthouse with his wife claire Prophet who survives him.
She said via St Germain and others, there would be a nuclear war in the early 90's and encouraged her followers to build bunkers and dish out lots of thier cash to her movement. There was also an illegal arms stash found or something.
She now has alzhiemers and her son has his own website debunking her.

The summit lighthouse still exists but there are off- shoots of that which have become quasi evangelist such as the Temple of the Presence headed up by a former member of The Sumit Lighthouse and the Hearts Centre community based on the teachings of the Ballards.

Also Lori Toye of The I AM America foundation channels St, Germain. All the movements are very pro American. Indeed an anagram of I Am America is the I Am Race

Again its important to seperate these groups from the Theosophical Society historically as their is no connection as such. It is the unique history of The I am movement in America that promotes St Germain and the so called violet Flame teachings.

There are also individual channellers everywhere claiming contact with an incartion of St Germain or Rackorzky or his other guises.

It maybe there is a great being associated with such earthly embodiments but I cant see him working with an ex football hoologan. It all sounds a bit daft

icecold wrote:


I think you might like to check the dates on the posts.

Floyd wrote:St Germain is a name he says.
St Germain has many guises
He didnt actually confirm it...but he didnt deny it did he.
Dont panic Ice cold I did see your post. Of course if anyone has a mysterious master who is thousands of years old, the Comte St. Germain is always a likely candidate as you suggested is he not?
As I said in an earlier post around here somewhere, his master doesnt exist.

We could always ask Benjamin Creme or Someone to verify.

Anchor wrote:Where is the link between St Germaine and Charle's master? Is this something Atticus said or is it more meta-speculation?

I cant find it - please help.

This is making me feel odd.

1) Is the plan for there always to be tyranny as a means to control the masses (Y/N) ?

2) If you and your Master's plan succeeds - will the meek inherit the Earth (Y/N) ?

3) In the next 40 years or so, do you see a golden age of harmony where each human lives harmoniously with the planet and each other human (Y/N) ?

4) Is that a plan goal (Y/N) ?

5) Do you believe that the average human can create/manifest with their mind (if given the clues) (Y/N) ?

6) If so, are these the people that are of interest to you and your master's plan (Y/N) ?

Floyd wrote:Where does he say St Germain is not his Master John... just out of interest

Anchor wrote:

Floyd wrote:Where does he say St Germain is not his Master John... just out of interest

It doesn't, it is "inner-knowing" sorry - I should have been specific on that detail.

John..

Anchor wrote:Interesting you mentioned Benjamin Creme.

I went to one of his meetings in the early 90's at the Friends meeting house. He gave his talk, answered questions - even one of mine, blessed us all (which was physically noticeable in its effects).

Some of the Maitreya quotes stick in my mind - I use them still.

"Let your brother's need be a measure for your action"

I wonder how the "Day Of Declaration" fits into all this.

Floyd wrote:

Anchor wrote:Where is the link between St Germaine and Charle's master? Is this something Atticus said or is it more meta-speculation?

I cant find it - please help.

This is making me feel odd.

John. You are member there. Why dont you ask him. He can either deny it outright or say otherwise. Either way im not expecting a straight answer.
Racorzky, Comte St Germain? One of his associates perhaps. Paul the Venetian? A new type of Master perhaps?
I always though Great Masters would have worked more discreetly.


Here he mentions it but. Interestingly he doesnt brush it off as speculation.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12987-Questions-and-Answers-from-Bill-about-the-Charles-material/page6

icecold wrote:Great song Lee.

You have a fine voice my friend.

icecold wrote:Could St. Germain have been a representative or manifestation of Lucifer?

I'll go with a big "NO". A gut feeling.

icecold wrote:LOL. OK.

"Just the other day I read some articles about Count St. Germain. I guess you need no further introduction to that name, being the owner of a fabulous library, , so I'd like to ask you, if I may: What is your take on this phenomena?"

Andromeda wrote:This was posted by Atticus (which BR said was Charles? comfused by now with so many pseudonames):

St germain,is a name.
He is my father.I'm his only son to survive
He sent me to china to get the last seven.
I was recalled because they have made there pact and are impregnable.
He called me back because they are going to try and construct there own engine,from documents and drawings seized from Egypt.
This puts us in a precarious position(fredkc brace yourself here they come old son).
An offence is starting,they need various info and what parts of old that still exist.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12987-Questions-and-Answers-from-Bill-about-the-Charles-material&p=116928&viewfull=1#post116928

Well I must say he is original, he is the only one that has claimed being Son of un-Saint Germain

icecold wrote:

Floyd wrote:St Germain is a name he says.
St Germain has many guises
He didnt actually confirm it...but he didnt deny it did he.
Dont panic Ice cold I did see your post. Of course if anyone has a mysterious master who is thousands of years old, the Comte St. Germain is always a likely candidate as you suggested is he not?
As I said in an earlier post around here somewhere, his master doesnt exist.

We could always ask Benjamin Creme or Someone to verify.

Thanks Floyd. I'm not panicking old chap.....just trying to dust of all this camouflage.

Ahhh.

Sounds like a nutcase Floyd.

Thanks for the link BTW, I didn't realise he was back from the Twilight Zone....or China.

Hall's concise volume ("The Secret Destiny of America") described how America was the product of a "Great Plan" for religious liberty and self-governance, launched by a hidden order of ancient philosophers and secret societies. In one chapter, Hall described a rousing speech delivered by a mysterious "unknown speaker" before the signing of the Declaration of Independence. The "strange man," wrote Hall, invisibly entered and exited the locked doors of the Philadelphia statehouse on July 4th, 1776, delivering an oration that bolstered the wavering spirits of the delegates. "God has given America to be free!" commanded the mysterious speaker, urging the men to overcome their fears of the noose, axe, or gibbet, and to seal destiny by signing the great document. Newly emboldened, the delegates rushed forward to add their names. They looked to thank the stranger only to discover that he had vanished from the locked room. Was this, Hall wondered, "one of the agents of the secret Order, guarding and directing the destiny of America?"

At a 1957 commencement address at his alma mater Eureka College, Reagan, then a corporate spokesman for GE, sought to inspire students with this leaf from occult history. "This is a land of destiny," Reagan said, "and our forefathers found their way here by some Divine system of selective service gathered here to fulfill a mission to advance man a further step in his climb from the swamps."

Reagan then retold (without naming a source) the tale of Hall's unknown speaker. "When they turned to thank the speaker for his timely words," Reagan concluded, "he couldn't be found and to this day no one knows who he was or how he entered or left the guarded room."

Reagan revived the story in 1981, when Parade magazine asked the president for a personal essay on what July 4th meant to him. Presidential aide Michael Deaver delivered the piece with a note saying, "This Fourth of July message is the president's own words and written initially in the president's hand," on a yellow pad at Camp David. Reagan retold the legend of the unknown speaker - this time using language very close to Hall's own: "When they turned to thank him for his timely oratory, he was not to be found, nor could any be found who knew who he was or how had come in or gone out through the locked and guarded doors."

Floyd wrote:

Andromeda wrote:This was posted by Atticus (which BR said was Charles? comfused by now with so many pseudonames):

St germain,is a name.
He is my father.I'm his only son to survive
He sent me to china to get the last seven.
I was recalled because they have made there pact and are impregnable.
He called me back because they are going to try and construct there own engine,from documents and drawings seized from Egypt.
This puts us in a precarious position(fredkc brace yourself here they come old son).
An offence is starting,they need various info and what parts of old that still exist.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12987-Questions-and-Answers-from-Bill-about-the-Charles-material&p=116928&viewfull=1#post116928

Well I must say he is original, he is the only one that has claimed being Son of un-Saint Germain

Andromeda
They still havent denied that St Germain is his master yet, that is to say, Bill or Charlie.
Seems they are a little relucatant to say it one way or another.

The son of St germain is a new one. Quite right. I wonder if St Germain is a hammers fan. or is it Chelsea?

thanks,thanks,thanks!
well greetings to one and all!
i must say,about halfway thru being banned 'for a month' from the project avalon forum,

i hope to have a higher perspective-should i even decide to return...oh,i'll certainly have something to say-hahaha-who's still there,i wonder,and how's it goin' over there,by the way-anything new from 'charles' since he abruptly stopped answering questions about a week ago or what,i'm wondering

....well,i'm just curious...any of bill's moderators here? hahaha
oh,i don't know about the 'count'-really i just hope whoever it is gets on with the disclosure of whatever it was they were going to reveal,as it appears maybe they've changed their minds,but i guess i'm out the loop for the time being-i reckon we'll just have to see what happens tho huh?