United States AI Solar System (9)

My threads remind me of the 2012 'Flight' pilot in that plane-crash video I posted a few posts ago, who was doing everything possible to save the lives of those onboard. I sense that this solar system is going to crash, no matter what anyone says or does, but I wish to save as many lives and souls as possible. I feel as if I've been hamstrung, strung-up, and left to twist slowly, slowly, in the wind, for all the universe to see. A relative-stranger recently told me "You Don't Listen" but they weren't specific, and I politely avoided a confrontation. Another stranger taunted me with "How did you get this job?? Did you win the lottery??" Once again, I am suggesting imagining the Ellen White stuff I'm posting being spoken by Anna (V), and/or Delenn (Babylon 5), and/or Vala Mal Doran (Stargate SG-1) as Historical-Fiction in the context of a Spacecraft!! I have NO Idea how much of this material is Absolute-Truth!! Does that make me an Adventist-Heretic?? Probably. But I don't go to church and Terrorize the Saints. I just mumble to myself on this little website. What if the Bible and Ellen White were read in the same manner as Shakespeare?? As Literature?? As Historical-Fiction?? I keep wondering what understandings might emerge from studying the following study-list for a decade?? Just Wondering.

1. The Church of England Book of Common Prayer.

2. Patriarchs and Prophets (Ellen White).

3. Job through Malachi (New King James Version).

4. Prophets and Kings (Ellen White).

5. Luke through Jude (New King James Version).

6. The Desire of Ages (Ellen White).

7. Sacred Classical Music.

Man (and Woman) Shall NOT Live by Conspiracy-Theories Alone. I assume that everything we post on the internet is monitored and recorded by someone. Perhaps alternating between the monkey-mind rat-race and emptying one's mind in stillness might be a good-thing. Reincarnation is a Wild-Card and/or Bull in a China-Closet. When I add this factor to the Religion of My Youth -- it all begins making-sense. But if we're ALL a bunch of ancient bad-boys and bad-girls -- "Disclosure" might be more of a Can of Worms than ANY of Us Can Handle. I get that the old-ways of thinking are highly-problematic YET I fear that most of the new-ways of thinking (or not thinking) might involve jumping out of the frying-pan -- and into the fire. I think Egypt is extremely-important to all-concerned -- and I honestly spent months talking to an individual of interest who said "I AM RA!!" I don't know who they REALLY were BUT they fit my imagined-description of a Modern-Incarnation of an Ancient Egyptian Deity aka God of This World. They seemed to be simultaneously Good and Evil -- and they seemed to know who I really was -- but I suspected a certain amount of lying and testing -- so I took everything they said with a sea of salt. I could go on and on -- but that's probably enough for now. I don't think anything on the internet is really confidential. I never know who I'm really communicating with -- and who might be watching and recording -- electronically and/or supernaturally. I hate the way things are -- but perhaps I had better get used to it. Sixpence None the Richer.

http://whiteestate.org/books/pk/pk16.html The evil influence that Jezebel had exercised from the first over Ahab continued during the later years of his life and bore fruit in deeds of shame and violence such as have seldom been equaled in sacred history. "There was none like unto Ahab, which did sell himself to work wickedness in the sight of the Lord, whom Jezebel his wife stirred up."

Naturally of a covetous disposition, Ahab, strengthened and sustained in wrongdoing by Jezebel, had followed the dictates of his evil heart until he was fully controlled by the spirit of selfishness. He could brook no refusal of his wishes; the things he desired he felt should by right be his.

This dominant trait in Ahab, which influenced so disastrously the fortunes of the kingdom under his successors, is revealed in an incident which took place while Elijah was still a prophet in Israel. Hard by the palace of the king was a vineyard belonging to Naboth, a Jezreelite. Ahab set his heart on possessing this vineyard, and he proposed to buy it or else to give in exchange for it another piece of land. "Give me thy vineyard," he said to Naboth, "that I may have it for a garden of herbs, because it is near unto my house: and I will give thee for it a better vineyard than it; or, if it seem good to thee, I will give thee the worth of it in money."

Naboth valued his vineyard highly because it had belonged to his fathers, and he refused to part with it. "The Lord forbid it me," he said to Ahab, "that I should give the inheritance of my fathers unto thee." According to the Levitical code no land could be transferred permanently by sale or exchange; every one of the children of Israel must "keep himself to the inheritance of the tribe of his fathers." Numbers 36:7.

Naboth's refusal made the selfish monarch ill. "Ahab came into his house heavy and displeased because of the word which Naboth the Jezreelite had spoken to him. . . . And he laid him down upon his bed, and turned away his face, and would eat no bread."

Jezebel soon learned the particulars, and, indignant that anyone should refuse the request of the king, she assured Ahab that he need no longer be sad. "Dost thou now govern the kingdom of Israel?" she said. "Arise, and eat bread, and let thine heart be merry: I will give thee the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite."

Ahab cared not by what means his wife might accomplish the desired object, and Jezebel immediately proceeded to carry out her wicked purpose. She wrote letters in the name of the king, sealed them with his signet, and sent them to the elders and nobles of the city where Naboth dwelt, saying: "Proclaim a fast, and set Naboth on high among the people: and set two men, sons of Belial, before him, to bear witness against him, saying, Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And then carry him out, and stone him, that he may die."

The command was obeyed. "The men of his city, even the elders and the nobles, . . . did as Jezebel had . . . written in the letters which she had sent unto them." Then Jezebel went to the king and bade him arise and take the vineyard. And Ahab, heedless of the consequences, blindly followed her counsel and went down to take possession of the coveted property.

The king was not allowed to enjoy unrebuked that which he had gained by fraud and bloodshed. "The word of the Lord came to Elijah the Tishbite, saying, Arise, go down to meet Ahab king of Israel, which is in Samaria: behold, he is in the vineyard of Naboth, whither he is gone down to possess it. And thou shalt speak unto him, saying, Thus saith the Lord, Hast thou killed, and also taken possession?" And the Lord further instructed Elijah to pronounce upon Ahab a terrible judgment.

The prophet hastened to carry out the divine command. The guilty ruler, meeting the stern messenger of Jehovah face to face in the vineyard, gave voice to his startled fear in the words, "Hast thou found me, O mine enemy?"

Without hesitation the messenger of the Lord replied, "I have found thee: because thou hast sold thyself to work evil in the sight of the Lord. Behold, I will bring evil upon thee, and will take away thy posterity." No mercy was to be shown. The house of Ahab was to be utterly destroyed, "like the house of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, and like the house of Baasha the son of Ahijah," the Lord declared through His servant, "for the provocation wherewith thou hast provoked Me to anger, and made Israel to sin."

And of Jezebel the Lord declared, "The dogs shall eat Jezebel by the wall of Jezreel. Him that dieth of Ahab in the city the dogs shall eat; and him that dieth in the field shall the fowls of the air eat."

When the king heard this fearful message, "he rent his clothes, and put sackcloth upon his flesh, and fasted, and lay in sackcloth, and went softly.

"And the word of the Lord came to Elijah the Tishbite, saying, Seest thou how Ahab humbleth himself before Me? because he humbleth himself before Me, I will not bring the evil in his days: but in his son's days will I bring the evil upon his house."

It was less than three years later that King Ahab met his death at the hands of the Syrians. Ahaziah, his successor, "did evil in the sight of the Lord, and walked in the way of his father, and in the way of his mother, and in the way of Jeroboam." "He served Baal, and worshiped him, and provoked to anger the Lord God of Israel," as his father Ahab had done. 1 Kings 22:52, 53. But judgments followed close upon the sins of the rebellious king. A disastrous war with Moab, and then an accident by which his own life was threatened, attested to God's wrath against him.

Having fallen "through a lattice in his upper chamber," Ahaziah, seriously injured, and fearful of the possible outcome, sent some of his servants to make inquiry of Baalzebub, the god of Ekron, whether he should recover or not. The god of Ekron was supposed to give information, through the medium of its priests, concerning future events. Large numbers of people went to inquire of it; but the predictions there uttered, and the information given, proceeded from the prince of darkness.

Ahaziah's servants were met by a man of God, who directed them to return to the king with the message: "Is it because there is no God in Israel, that ye go to inquire of Baal-zebub, the god of Ekron? Now therefore thus saith Jehovah, Thou shalt not come down from the bed whither thou art gone up, but shalt surely die." Having delivered his message, the prophet departed.

The astonished servants hastened back to the king, and repeated to him the words of the man of God. The king inquired, "What manner of man was he?" They answered, "He was an hairy man, and girt with a girdle of leather about his loins." "It is Elijah the Tishbite," Ahaziah exclaimed. He knew that if the stranger whom his messengers had met was indeed Elijah, the words of doom pronounced would surely come to pass. Anxious to avert, if possible, the threatened judgment, he determined to send for the prophet.

Twice Ahaziah sent a company of soldiers to intimidate the prophet, and twice the wrath of God fell upon them in judgment. The third company of soldiers humbled themselves before God; and their captain, as he approached the Lord's messenger, "fell on his knees before Elijah, and besought him, and said unto him, O man of God, I pray thee, let my life, and the life of these fifty thy servants, be precious in thy sight."

"The angel of Jehovah said unto Elijah, Go down with him: be not afraid of him. And he arose, and went down with him unto the king. And he said unto him, Thus saith Jehovah, Forasmuch as thou hast sent messengers to inquire of Baal-zebub, the god of Ekron, is it because there is no God in Israel to inquire of His word? therefore thou shalt not come down from the bed whither thou art gone up, but shalt surely die."

During the father's reign, Ahaziah had witnessed the wondrous works of the Most High. He had seen the terrible evidences that God had given apostate Israel of the way in which He regards those who set aside the binding claims of His law. Ahaziah had acted as if these awful realities were but idle tales. Instead of humbling his heart before the Lord, he had followed after Baal, and at last he had ventured upon this, his most daring act of impiety. Rebellious, and unwilling to repent, Ahaziah died, "according to the word of the Lord which Elijah had spoken."

The history of King Ahaziah's sin and its punishment has in it a warning which none can disregard with impunity. Men today may not pay homage to heathen gods, yet thousands are worshiping at Satan's shrine as verily as did the king of Israel. The spirit of idolatry is rife in the world today, although, under the influence of science and education, it has assumed forms more refined and attractive than in the days when Ahaziah sought to the god of Ekron. Every day adds its sorrowful evidence that faith in the sure word of prophecy is decreasing, and that in its stead superstition and satanic witchery are captivating the minds of many.

Today the mysteries of heathen worship are replaced by the secret association and seances, the obscurities and wonders, of spiritistic mediums. The disclosures of these mediums are eagerly received by thousands who refuse to accept light from God's word or through His Spirit. Believers in spiritism may speak with scorn of the magicians of old, but the great deceiver laughs in triumph as they yield to his arts under a different form.

There are many who shrink with horror from the thought of consulting spirit mediums, but who are attracted by more pleasing forms of spiritism. Others are led astray by the teachings of Christian Science, and by the mysticism of Theosophy and other Oriental religions.

The apostles of nearly all forms of spiritism claim to have power to heal. They attribute this power to electricity, magnetism, the so-called "sympathetic remedies," or to latent forces within the mind of man. And there are not a few, even in this Christian age, who go to these healers, instead of trusting in the power of the living God and the skill of well-qualified physicians. The mother, watching by the sickbed of her child, exclaims, "I can do no more. Is there no physician who has power to restore my child?" She is told of the wonderful cures performed by some clairvoyant or magnetic healer, and she trusts her dear one to his charge, placing it as verily in the hand of Satan as if he were standing by her side. In many instances the future life of the child is controlled by a satanic power which it seems impossible to break.

God had cause for displeasure at Ahaziah's impiety. What had He not done to win the hearts of the people of Israel and to inspire them with confidence in Himself? For ages He had been giving His people manifestations of unexampled kindness and love. From the beginning He had shown that His "delights were with the sons of men." Proverbs 8:31. He had been a very present help to all who sought Him in sincerity. Yet now the king of Israel, turning from God to ask help of the worst enemy of his people, proclaimed to the heathen that he had more confidence in their idols than in the God of heaven. In the same manner do men and women dishonor Him when they turn from the Source of strength and wisdom to ask help or counsel from the powers of darkness. If God's wrath was kindled by Ahaziah's act, how does He regard those who, having still greater light, choose to follow a similar course?

Those who give themselves up to the sorcery of Satan, may boast of great benefit received; but does this prove their course to be wise or safe? What if life should be prolonged? What if temporal gain should be secured? Will it pay in the end to have disregarded the will of God? All such apparent gain will prove at last an irrecoverable loss. We cannot with impunity break down a single barrier which God has erected to guard His people from Satan's power.

As Ahaziah had no son, he was succeeded by Jehoram, his brother, who reigned over the ten tribes for twelve years. Throughout these years his mother, Jezebel, was still living, and she continued to exercise her evil influence over the affairs of the nation. Idolatrous customs were still practiced by many of the people. Jehoram himself "wrought evil in the sight of the Lord; but not like his father, and like his mother: for he put away the image of Baal that his father had made. Nevertheless he cleaved unto the sins of Jereboam the son of Nebat, which made Israel to sin; he departed not therefrom." 2 Kings 3:2, 3.

It was during Jehoram's reign over Israel that Jehoshaphat died, and Jehoshaphat's son, also named Jehoram, ascended the throne of the kingdom of Judah. By his marriage with the daughter of Ahab and Jezebel, Jehoram of Judah was closely connected with the king of Israel; and in his reign he followed after Baal, "like as did the house of Ahab." "Moreover he made high places in the mountains of Judah, and caused the inhabitants of Jerusalem to commit fornication, and compelled Judah thereto." 2 Chronicles 21:6, 11.

The king of Judah was not permitted to continue his terrible apostasy unreproved. The prophet Elijah had not yet been translated, and he could not remain silent while the kingdom of Judah was pursuing the same course that had brought the northern kingdom to the verge of ruin. The prophet sent to Jehoram of Judah a written communication, in which the wicked king read the awful words:

"Thus saith the Lord God of David thy father, Because thou hast not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat thy father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah, but hast walked in the way of the kings of Israel, and hast made Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem to go a whoring, like to the whoredoms of the house of Ahab, and also hast slain thy brethren of thy father's house, which were better than thyself: behold, with a great plague will the Lord smite thy people, and thy children, and thy wives, and all thy goods: and thou shalt have great sickness."

In fulfillment of this prophecy "the Lord stirred up against Jehoram the spirit of the Philistines, and of the Arabians, that were near the Ethiopians: and they came up into Judah, and brake into it, and carried away all the substance that was found in the king's house, and his sons also, and his wives; so that there was never a son left him, save Jehoahaz [Ahaziah, Azariah], the youngest of his sons.

"And after all this the Lord smote him in his bowels with an incurable disease. And it came to pass, that in process of time, after the end of two years, . . . he died of sore diseases." "And Ahaziah [Jehoahaz] his son reigned in his stead." Verses 12:19; 2 Kings 8:24.

Jehoram the son of Ahab was still reigning in the kingdom of Israel when his nephew, Ahaziah, came to the throne of Judah. Ahaziah ruled only one year, and during this time, influenced by his mother, Athaliah, "his counselor to do wickedly," "he walked in the way of the house of Ahab, and did evil in the sight of the Lord." 2 Chronicles 22:3, 4; 2 Kings 8:27. Jezebel, his grandmother, was still living, and he allied himself boldly with Jehoram of Israel, his uncle.

Ahaziah of Judah soon met a tragic end. The surviving members of the house of Ahab were indeed "his counselors after the death of his father to his destruction." 2 Chronicles 22:3, 4. While Ahaziah was visiting his uncle at Jezreel, the prophet Elisha was divinely directed to send one of the sons of the prophets to Ramothgilead to anoint Jehu king of Israel. The combined forces of Judah and Israel were at that time engaged in a military campaign against the Syrians of Ramothgilead. Jehoram had been wounded in battle, and had returned to Jezreel, leaving Jehu in charge of the royal armies.

In anointing Jehu, the messenger of Elisha declared, "I have anointed thee king over the people of the Lord, even over Israel." And then he solemnly charged Jehu with a special commission from heaven. "Thou shalt smite the house of Ahab thy master," the Lord declared through His messenger, "that I may avenge the blood of My servants the prophets, and the blood of all the servants of the Lord, at the hand of Jezebel. For the whole house of Ahab shall perish." 2 Kings 9:6-8.

After he had been proclaimed king by the army, Jehu hastened to Jezreel, where he began his work of execution on those who had deliberately chosen to continue in sin and to lead others into sin. Jehoram of Israel, Ahaziah of Judah, and Jezebel the queen mother, with "all that remained of the house of Ahab in Jezreel, and all his great men, and his kinsfolks, and his priests," were slain. "All the prophets of Baal, all his servants, and all his priests" dwelling at the center of Baal worship near Samaria, were put to the sword. The idolatrous images were broken down and burned, and the temple of Baal was laid in ruins. "Thus Jehu destroyed Baal out of Israel." 2 Kings 10:11, 19,28.

Tidings of this general execution reached Athaliah, Jezebel's daughter, who still occupied a commanding position in the kingdom of Judah. When she saw that her son, the king of Judah, was dead, "she arose and destroyed all the seed royal of the house of Judah." In this massacre all the descendants of David who were eligible to the throne were destroyed, save one, a babe named Joash, whom the wife of Jehoiada the high priest hid within the precincts of the temple. For six years the child remained hidden, while "Athaliah reigned over the land." 2 Chronicles 22:10, 12.

At the end of this time, "the Levites and all Judah" (2 Chronicles 23: united with Jehoiada the high priest in crowning and anointing the child Joash and acclaiming him their king. "And they clapped their hands, and said, God save the king." 2 Kings 11:12.

"Now when Athaliah heard the noise of the people running and praising the king, she came to the people into the house of the Lord." 2 Chronicles 23:12. "And when she looked, behold, the king stood by a pillar, as the manner was, and the princes and the trumpeters by the king, and all the people of the land rejoiced, and blew with trumpets."

"Athaliah rent her clothes, and cried, Treason, Treason." 2 Kings 11:14. But Jehoiada commanded the officers to lay hold of Athaliah and all her followers and lead them out of the temple to a place of execution, where they were to be slain.

Thus perished the last member of the house of Ahab. The terrible evil that had been wrought through his alliance with Jezebel, continued till the last of his descendants was destroyed. Even in the land of Judah, where the worship of the true God had never been formally set aside, Athaliah had succeeded in seducing many. Immediately after the execution of the impenitent queen "all the people of the land went into the house of Baal, and brake it down; his altars and his images brake they in pieces thoroughly, and slew Mattan the priest of Baal before the altars." Verse 18.

A reformation followed. Those who took part in acclaiming Joash king, had solemnly covenanted "that they should be the Lord's people." And now that the evil influence of the daughter of Jezebel had been removed from the kingdom of Judah, and the priests of Baal had been slain and their temple destroyed, "all the people of the land rejoiced: and the city was quiet." 2 Chronicles 23:16, 21.

http://whiteestate.org/books/pk/pk17.html God had bidden Elijah anoint another to be prophet in his stead. "Elisha the son of Shaphat . . . shalt thou anoint to be prophet in thy room" (1 Kings 19:16), He had said; and in obedience to the command, Elijah went to find Elisha. As he journeyed northward, how changed was the scene from what it had been only a short while before! Then the ground was parched, the farming districts unworked, for neither dew nor rain had fallen for three and a half years. Now on every hand vegetation was springing up as if to redeem the time of drought and famine.

Elisha's father was a wealthy farmer, a man whose household were among the number that in a time of almost universal apostasy had not bowed the knee to Baal. Theirs was a home where God was honored and where allegiance to the faith of ancient Israel was the rule of daily life. In such surroundings the early years of Elisha were passed. In the quietude of country life, under the teaching of God and nature and the discipline of useful work, he received the training in habits of simplicity and of obedience to his parents and to God that helped to fit him for the high position he was afterward to occupy.

The prophetic call came to Elisha while, with his father's servants, he was plowing in the field. He had taken up the work that lay nearest. He possessed both the capabilities of a leader among men and the meekness of one who is ready to serve. Of a quiet and gentle spirit, he was nevertheless energetic and steadfast. Integrity, fidelity, and the love and fear of God were his, and in the humble round of daily toil he gained strength of purpose and nobleness of character, constantly increasing in grace and knowledge. While co-operating with his father in the home-life duties, he was learning to co-operate with God.

By faithfulness in little things, Elisha was preparing for weightier trusts. Day by day, through practical experience, he gained a fitness for a broader, higher work. He learned to serve; and in learning this, he learned also how to instruct and lead. The lesson is for all. None can know what may be God's purpose in His discipline; but all may be certain that faithfulness in little things is the evidence of fitness for greater responsibilities. Every act of life is a revelation of character, and he only who in small duties proves himself "a workman that needeth not to be ashamed" can be honored by God with higher service. 2 Timothy 2:15.

He who feels that it is of no consequence how he performs the smaller tasks proves himself unfit for a more honored position. He may think himself fully competent to take up the larger duties; but God looks deeper than the surface.

After test and trial, there is written against him the sentence, "Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting." His unfaithfulness reacts upon himself. He fails of gaining the grace, the power, the force of character, which is received through unreserved surrender.

Because they are not connected with some directly religious work, many feel that their lives are useless, that they are doing nothing for the advancement of God's kingdom. If they could do some great thing how gladly they would undertake it! But because they can serve only in little things, they think themselves justified in doing nothing. In this they err. A man may be in the active service of God while engaged in the ordinary, everyday duties--while felling trees, clearing the ground, or following the plow. The mother who trains her children for Christ is as truly working for God as is the minister in the pulpit.

Many long for special talent with which to do a wonderful work, while the duties lying close at hand, the performance of which would make the life fragrant, are lost sight of. Let such ones take up the duties lying directly in their pathway. Success depends not so much on talent as on energy and willingness. It is not the possession of splendid talents that enables us to render acceptable service, but the conscientious performance of daily duties, the contented spirit, the unaffected, sincere interest in the welfare of others. In the humblest lot true excellence may be found. The commonest tasks, wrought with loving faithfulness, are beautiful in God's sight.

As Elijah, divinely directed in seeking a successor, passed the field in which Elisha was plowing, he cast upon the young man's shoulders the mantle of consecration. During the famine the family of Shaphat had become familiar with the work and mission of Elijah, and now the Spirit of God impressed Elisha's heart as to the meaning of the prophet's act. To him it was the signal that God had called him to be the successor of Elijah.

"And he left the oxen, and ran after Elijah, and said, Let me, I pray thee, kiss my father and my mother, and then I will follow thee." "Go back again," was Elijah's answer, "for what have I done to thee?" This was not a repulse, but a test of faith. Elisha must count the cost--decide for himself to accept or reject the call. If his desires clung to his home and its advantages, he was at liberty to remain there. But Elisha understood the meaning of the call. He knew it was from God, and he did not hesitate to obey, Not for any worldly advantage would he forgo the opportunity of becoming God's messenger or sacrifice the privilege of association with His servant. He "took a yoke of oxen, and slew them, and boiled their flesh with the instruments of the oxen, and gave unto the people, and they did eat. Then he arose, and went after Elijah, and ministered unto him." 1 Kings 19:20, 21. Without hesitation he left a home where he was beloved, to attend the prophet in his uncertain life.

Had Elisha asked Elijah what was expected of him,--what would be his work,--he would have been answered: God knows; He will make it known to you. If you wait upon the Lord, He will answer your every question. You may come with me if you have evidence that God has called you. Know for yourself that God stands back of me, and that it is His voice you hear. If you can count everything but dross that you may win the favor of God, come.

Similar to the call that came to Elisha was the answer given by Christ to the young ruler who asked Him the question, "What good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?" "If thou wilt be perfect," Christ replied, "go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow Me." Matthew 19:16, 21.

Elisha accepted the call to service, casting no backward glance at the pleasures and comforts he was leaving. The young ruler, when he heard the Saviour's words, "went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions." Verse 22. He was not willing to make the sacrifice. His love for his possessions was greater than his love for God. By his refusal to renounce all for Christ, he proved himself unworthy of a place in the Master's service.

The call to place all on the altar of service comes to each one. We are not all asked to serve as Elisha served, nor are we all bidden to sell everything we have; but God asks us to give His service the first place in our lives, to allow no day to pass without doing something to advance His work in the earth. He does not expect from all the same kind of service. One may be called to ministry in a foreign land; another may be asked to give of his means for the support of gospel work. God accepts the offering of each. It is the consecration of the life and all its interests, that is necessary. Those who make this consecration will hear and obey the call of Heaven.

To everyone who becomes a partaker of His grace, the Lord appoints a work for others. Individually we are to stand in our lot, saying, "Here am I; send me." Whether a man be a minister of the Word or a physician, whether he be merchant or farmer, professional man or mechanic, the responsibility rests upon him. It is his work to reveal to others the gospel of their salvation. Every enterprise is which he engages should be a means to this end.

It was no great work that was at first required of Elisha; commonplace duties still constituted his discipline. He is spoken of as pouring water on the hands of Elijah, his master. He was willing to do anything that the Lord directed, and at every step he learned lessons of humility and service. As the prophet's personal attendant, he continued to prove faithful in little things, while with daily strengthening purpose he devoted himself to the mission appointed him by God.

Elisha's life after uniting with Elijah was not without temptations. Trials he had in abundance; but in every emergency he relied on God. He was tempted to think of the home that he had left, but to this temptation he gave no heed. Having put his hand to the plow, he was resolved not to turn back, and through test and trial he proved true to his trust.

Ministry comprehends far more than preaching the word. It means training young men as Elijah trained Elisha, taking them from their ordinary duties, and giving them responsibilities to bear in God's work--small responsibilities at first, and larger ones as they gain strength and experience. There are in the ministry men of faith and prayer, men who can say, "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; . . . that which we have seen and heard declare we unto you." 1 John 1:1-3. Young, inexperienced workers should be trained by actual labor in connection with these experienced servants of God. Thus they will learn how to bear burdens.

Those who undertake this training of young workers are doing noble service. The Lord Himself co-operates with their efforts. And the young men to whom the word of consecration has been spoken, whose privilege it is to be brought into close association with earnest, godly workers, should make the most of their opportunity. God has honored them by choosing them for His service and by placing them where they can gain greater fitness for it, and they should be humble, faithful, obedient, and willing to sacrifice. If they submit to God's discipline, carrying out His directions and choosing His servants as their counselors, they will develop into righteous, high-principled, steadfast men, whom God can entrust with responsibilities.

As the gospel is proclaimed in its purity, men will be called from the plow and from the common commercial business vocations that largely occupy the mind and will be educated in connection with men of experience. As they learn to labor effectively, they will proclaim the truth with power. Through most wonderful workings of divine providence, mountains of difficulty will be removed and cast into the sea. The message that means so much to the dwellers upon the earth will be heard and understood. Men will know what is truth. Onward and still onward the work will advance until the whole earth shall have been warned, and then shall the end come.

For several years after the call of Elisha, Elijah and Elisha labored together, the younger man daily gaining greater preparedness for his work. Elijah had been God's instrument for the overthrow of gigantic evils. The idolatry which, supported by Ahab and the heathen Jezebel, had seduced the nation, had been given a decided check. Baal's prophets had been slain. The whole people of Israel had been deeply stirred, and many were returning to the worship of God. As Elijah's successor, Elisha, by careful, patient instruction, must endeavor to guide Israel in safe paths. His association with Elijah, the greatest prophet since the days of Moses, prepared him for the work that he was soon to take up alone.

During these years of united ministry, Elijah from time to time was called upon to meet flagrant evils with stern rebuke. When wicked Ahab seized Naboth's vineyard, it was the voice of Elijah that prophesied his doom and the doom of all his house. And when Ahaziah, after the death of his father Ahab, turned from the living God to Baal-zebub, the god of Ekron, it was Elijah's voice that was heard once more in earnest protest.

The schools of the prophets, established by Samuel, had fallen into decay during the years of Israel's apostasy. Elijah re-established these schools, making provision for young men to gain an education that would lead them to magnify the law and make it honorable. Three of these schools, one at Gilgal, one at Bethel, and one at Jericho, are mentioned in the record. Just before Elijah was taken to heaven, he and Elisha visited these centers of training. The lessons that the prophet of God had given them on former visits, he now repeated. Especially did he instruct them concerning their high privilege of loyally maintaining their allegiance to the God of heaven. He also impressed upon their minds the importance of letting simplicity mark every feature of their education. Only in this way could they receive the mold of heaven and go forth to work in the ways of the Lord.

The heart of Elijah was cheered as he saw what was being accomplished by means of these schools. The work of reformation was not complete, but he could see throughout the kingdom a verification of the word of the Lord, "Yet I have left Me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal." 1 Kings 19:18.

As Elisha accompanied the prophet on his round of service from school to school, his faith and resolution were once more tested. At Gilgal, and again at Bethel and Jericho, he was invited by the prophet to turn back. "Tarry here, I pray thee," Elijah said; "for the Lord hath sent me to Bethel." But in his early labor of guiding the plow, Elisha had learned not to fail or to become discouraged, and now that he had set his hand to the plow in another line of duty he would not be diverted from his purpose. He would not be parted from his master, so long as opportunity remained for gaining a further fitting up for service. Unknown to Elijah, the revelation that he was to be translated had been made known to his disciples in the schools of the prophets, and in particular to Elisha. And now the tried servant of the man of God kept close beside him. As often as the invitation to turn back was given, his answer was, "As the Lord liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee."

"And they two went on. . . . And they two stood by Jordan. And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped it together, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground. And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee."

Elisha asked not for worldly honor, or for a high place among the great men of earth. That which he craved was a large measure of the Spirit that God had bestowed so freely upon the one about to be honored with translation.

He knew that nothing but the Spirit which had rested upon Elijah could fit him to fill the place in Israel to which God had called him, and so he asked, "I pray thee, let a double portion of thy Spirit be upon me."

In response to this request, Elijah said, "Thou hast asked a hard thing: nevertheless, if thou see me when I am taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee; but if not, it shall not be so. And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." See 2 Kings 2:1-11.

Elijah was a type of the saints who will be living on the earth at the time of the second advent of Christ and who will be "changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump," without tasting of death. 1 Corinthians 15:51, 52. It was as a representative of those who shall be thus translated that Elijah, near the close of Christ's earthly ministry, was permitted to stand with Moses by the side of the Saviour on the mount of transfiguration. In these glorified ones, the disciples saw in miniature a representation of the kingdom of the redeemed. They beheld Jesus clothed with the light of heaven; they heard the "voice out of the cloud" (Luke 9:35), acknowledging Him as the Son of God; they saw Moses, representing those who will be raised from the dead at the time of the second advent; and there also stood Elijah, representing those who at the close of earth's history will be changed from mortal to immortal and be translated to heaven without seeing death.

In the desert, in loneliness and discouragement, Elijah had said that he had had enough of life and had prayed that he might die. But the Lord in His mercy had not taken him at his word. There was yet a great work for Elijah to do; and when his work was done, he was not to perish in discouragement and solitude. Not for him the descent into the tomb, but the ascent with God's angels to the presence of His glory.

"And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces. He took up also the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and went back, and stood by the bank of Jordan; and he took the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and smote the waters, and said, Where is the Lord God of Elijah? and when he also had smitten the waters, they parted hither and thither: and Elisha went over. And when the sons of the prophets which were to view at Jericho saw him, they said, The Spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him." 2 Kings 2:12-15.

When the Lord in His providence sees fit to remove from His work those to whom He has given wisdom, He helps and strengthens their successors, if they will look to Him for aid and will walk in His ways. They may be even wiser than their predecessors; for they may profit by their experience and learn wisdom from their mistakes.

Henceforth Elisha stood in Elijah's place. He who had been faithful in that which was least was to prove himself faithful also in much.

orthodoxymoron wrote:As an alternative to reading the Bible straight-through, over and over OR reading Proof-Passages (here a little, there a little), consider reading Job through Daniel side by side with Luke through Jude -- straight-through, over and over. This reflects my biases regarding theological and devotional importance, which might be flawed, yet I still think this approach is somewhat legitimate, especially if each group is used to interpret itself, rather than being interpreted or vetoed by 'outsiders'!! I'm not sure the Bible really teaches what the teachers and preachers teach and preach!! The Bible can be made to say just about anything!! Each church picks and chooses certain passages to make their case for a doctrinal-statement, which then becomes the gold-standard for their particular organization. This is probably organizationally-expedient, yet the real-truth probably gets crucified in the process. A proper commentary covering the two groups mentioned would be necessary to provide a proper context, yet most commentaries use other portions of scripture to interpret and apply the content of each group. No one usually responds to my posts on this thread, but I've gotten used to that, and I'm OK with talking to myself (online and in real-life)!! It's easier that way!!

"I'm the Nasty Little Horn!!"

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Here's an 'Alternative Tardis' I Might Retire In!!
Bigger on the Inside Than on the Outside!!
Featuring a Personal-Supercomputer,
Black Knight Satellite InterPlaNet,
and Personal-Assistant!!


"That Was Fun, Oxy!!
Let's Do It Again!!"

Siriusly, this is a potpourri-post which contains a lot of off-topic stuff, but I thought I'd do a one-stop post to interrupt my incognito-quest. I suspect that everyone and everything are a combination of Truth and BS. This includes Politics, Religion, Business, Science, Aliens, Angels, Demons, Space-Programs, New-Age, Rich, Poor, Whoever, and Whatever. Anyway, a small Airstream trailer pulled by an SUV or Truck appeals to me (if I ever take the show on the road). I've included a contactee video which some might find interesting. But doesn't a lot of spiritual and esoteric stuff require a 'leap of faith'?? I previously suggested Nature and History as a Middle-Way through the Crazy-Stage we seem to be involved in presently. This would be a Secular-Sacred approach to Life, the Universe, and Everything. I'm rambling and miserable (and borderline-delirious). I feel as if I'm being poisoned while being electronically and supernaturally messed-with. I didn't agree to this BS, and I deeply resent it. If I'm being brought-down hard, I humbly request that my demise be avenged (even if it takes all-eternity).

"The Rabbit-Hole Goes Right Up His @$$!!"

Carol wrote:

https://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/browse/2018/02/04/
SOHO is offline for updates since January 25th, 2018

http://www.spaceweather.com

Mysterious Observatory Closure Intrigues Conspiracy Theorists:
An evacuation and subsequent shut down at the National Solar Observatory in New Mexico has left area residents scratching their heads and conspiracy theorists offering some truly fantastic suggestions for why it happened. The strangeness reportedly started last Thursday when the facility, which is located in the town of Sunspot, as well as a nearby post office were inexplicably closed citing unspecified safety concerns. Since then, some intriguing details about the closure have begun to emerge and they have raised more questions than answers.
https://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/mysterious-observatory-closure-intrigues-conspiracy-theorists/

By Tim Binnall

An evacuation and subsequent shut down at the National Solar Observatory in New Mexico has left area residents scratching their heads and conspiracy theorists offering some truly fantastic suggestions for why it happened. The strangeness reportedly started last Thursday when the facility, which is located in the town of Sunspot, as well as a nearby post office were inexplicably closed citing unspecified safety concerns. Since then, some intriguing details about the closure have begun to emerge and they have raised more questions than answers.

Specifically, a local sheriff revealed that, for reasons unexplained, the FBI are somehow involved in the matter and their arrival at the site was rather odd. According to sheriff Benny House, the agency swiftly swooped in to evacuate and lock down the observatory as he and his colleagues watched in confusion. He recalled that "there was a Blackhawk helicopter, a bunch of people around antennas and work crews on towers, but nobody would tell us anything."

Asked to be there to help with the evacuation, House and his colleagues eventually realized that they weren't really needed and so they left the scene. However, he observed that, at the time, there appeared to be no immediate threat. Meanwhile, the company that manages the observatory has been pretty cagey about the entire affair, refusing to say what the security issue is or even that the FBI is involved.

As one can imagine, the nature of the facility combined with the presence of federal agents has led to all manner of speculation as to what is going on at the observatory. Many suspicious individuals have posited that the closure of the site is somehow connected to a solar storm set to strike the planet this week. More imaginative individuals have even theorized that the observatory managed to discover aliens, presumably by accident, and that the FBI quickly descended upon the site in order to cover-up the Earth-shattering development.

Considering the clandestine way in which the closure is being handled, it seems unlikely that we'll ever truly know the exact circumstances which led to the facility being shuttered. That said, the group which runs the observatory says that it will re-open at some point in the future once whatever caused the incident is resolved. That's assuming, of course, that there isn't some kind of apocalyptic solar event or alien invasion about to unfold which will wipe out all of humanity.

Ironically, this is not the first conspiracy to be connected to the site as there actually happens to be a weird bit of alleged subterfuge involving the name of the community which hosts the observatory. Following the construction of the facility in the late 1940's, it became necessary to come up with something to call the area and then-director of the observatory, John Evans, asked his employees for suggestions. Despite promising that the name would be decided in a vote, his colleagues found it somewhat curious that his preferred choice of 'Sunspot' wound up winning as one worker musing in Evans' 1999 obituary that "we always thought the election was rigged."

ASTROPHOTOGRAPHY ALERT: Comet 21P/Giacobini-Zinner is about to meet a star cluster. During the the early hours of Sept. 15th, the green comet will pass directly in front of Messier 35, a system of several thousand stars in the constellation Gemini. Astronomer Bob King writing for Sky and Telescope notes that "the binocular view should be unique with the rich cluster appearing to sprout a tail!" The passage will occur between between 7:30 and 11:30 UT. Browse: Comet Photo Gallery.

AURORA SURPRISE: No geomagnetic storm was predicted for Sept. 14th. One happened anyway. The day began with a minor G1-class storm that sparked midnight auroras over parts of Canada. Ray Majoran sends this picture from Huntsville, Ontario:

Milky Way shots on Kawagama Lake when THIS happened!"

A NEW HOLE IN THE SUN'S ATMOSPHERE: Get ready for more auroras. A new hole in the sun's atmosphere is turning toward Earth. NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory photographed the structure, shown here in a false-color UV image taken on Sept. 13th: This is a "coronal hole"--a region where the sun's magnetic field opens up and allows solar wind to escape. The interior of the hole is black because the hot glowing gas normally contained there is missing. It's on its way to Earth.

Minor G1-class geomagnetic storms are possible when the gaseous material arrives on Sept. 16th or 17th. Deepening autumn darkness will favor the visibility of auroras around the Arctic Circle and possibly at lower latitudes, too, if the storm intensifies to category G2. On Sept. 11th, a similar solar wind stream sparked a G2 storm with auroras over northern-tier US states such as Wisconsin and Minnesota. It could happen again in a few days.

Boulder solar telescope, CO USA: working
Big Bear solar telescope, CA USA: working
Mauna Loa solar telescope, HI USA: working
Cerro Tololo solar telescope, Chile: working
El Teide solar telescope, Spain: working
Learmonth solar telescope, Australia: working

No SOHO Lasco sun photos since 1/25/2018 .
https://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime-images.html

Carol wrote:

Fears Raised In Russia After United States Fails Main Treaty Obligation
And Sends Its Top Solar Scientists Fleeing Underground                                                    
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2654.htm

A perplexing new report circulating in the Kremlin today issued by the National Nuclear Risk Reduction Center (NNRRC) states that for the first time in history, the United States has violated the most central provision of the Treaty On Open Skies (OS) by refusing to certify Russia's advanced Tu-214ON surveillance plane—and led NNRRC Chief Sergei Ryzhkov to declare: “In breach of the Open Skies Treaty provisions, the head of the US delegation refused to sign the final document, without giving any explanations or reasons, and citing direct instructions from Washington”—but whose circumstances surrounding the Ministery of Defense (that oversees the NNRRC) warns is directly related to all of the scientists at America’s National Solar Observatory, located in Sunspot-New Mexico, having all mysteriously fled their posts, and who are now believed to be hiding underground.  [Note: Some words and/or phrases appearing in quotes in this report are English language approximations of Russian words/phrases having no exact counterpart.]

According to this report, as tensions over Syria between Russia and the United States are nearing the breaking point of nuclear war, the Treaty On Open Skies remains the last barrier to prevent a catastrophic conflict due to its being one of the most wide-ranging international arms control efforts to date that promotes openness and transparency in military forces and activities—and allows for both Russian and United States surveillance flights over each others nations to insure that what is being said, as it pertains to military activity, is, in fact, being done.

With a total of 72 experts from 23 nations having visited Russia’s Kubinka airfield near Moscow on 2-11 September to certify the advanced Tupolev Tu-214ON plane with Russian-made digital observation equipment for inspections under the Open Skies Treaty, this report continues, the heads of all delegations confirmed the aircraft’s full compliance with all treaty provisions—except the US delegation that refused certification saying that they were told by their superiors in Washington not to do so.

As to why the US violated the Open Skies Treaty in such a blatant way as nuclear war fears around the world rise, takes a very strange turn in this report when the Ministry of Defense begins citing a Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) investigative document relating to their surveillance of a team of American scientists who traveled last week to Nova Scotia-Canada to monitor buoy temperature readings in the Atlantic Ocean—and whose stop in the little fishing village of Shag Harbor was followed less than 24 hours later by the bizarre break in of the Shag Harbour UFO Centre that houses the most extensive collection of information and artifacts related to the 4 October 1967 event known as the Shag Harbour UFO Incident—where it was reported that a “sizeable silent explosion” accompanied a large unknown craft crashing into the sea.

Though the true significance of what these American scientists were doing in Nova Scotia is not fully addressed due to its higher classification rating than this general information report allows, the SVR does note that their communication activity with the National Solar Observatory in New Mexico caused the scientists there to suddenly abandon their scientific facility—many of whom shortly afterwards arrived at their sister scientific facility in New Mexico known as the  Richard B. Dunn Solar Telescope, whose depth is several hundreds of feet underground.

Photograph and diagram of the Richard B. Dunn
Solar Telescope in Sunspot-New Mexico

With both the National Solar Observatory and Richard B. Dunn Solar Telescope being managed and manned by the Association Of Universities For Research In Astronomy (AURA), this report further details, their only public statement as to why they fled their posts stated: “We have decided to vacate the facility at this time as precautionary measure—It was our decision to evacuate the facility”, and whose reason given for doing so they said was due to their “addressing a security issue at this time”.

Eerily coinciding with these scientists abandoning their posts, this report continues, was the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) organization (who use the New Mexico-based Very Large Array (VLA) for their research findings) announcing their discovery of unusual and “mysterious radio bursts” they detected being directed at our Earth from 3 billion light years away—that was then followed by American solar scientists warning that they have issued a G-2 Solar Storm Alert due to a massive hole that has suddenly opened in our Sun’s corona.

Most concerning to Russian military scientists about these seemingly disparate events occurring in and around the United States, this report says, is a “real world” event where the tropical waters in the Atlantic Ocean this past June were so cool, weather scientists were predicting that no hurricanes would be able to form there—but in the past few weeks has seen a never before witnessed heating of these waters to such an extant one of the most powerful hurricanes in history is now nearing the shores of the United States.

Alarmingly to be noted, too, this report concludes, is that during the exact same time the Atlantic Ocean has been heating up over these past number of weeks, civilian airlines flying around and through these ocean waters have been landing and discharging hundreds of ill passengers in both the United States and Europe—all of whom are reporting “flu-like” symptoms—that are, also, the exact initial symptoms that would be seen in those experiencing radiation sickness—and whether this radiation is emanating from some mysterious underwater Atlantic Ocean “object” that maybe we’re being warned about from beyond our galaxy, or coming from the Sun, would immediately be able to be detected by Russia’s advanced Tupolev Tu-214ON surveillance Open Skies Treaty plane that the United States has now refused to let fly for reasons still unknown.

Ambulances begin surrounding civilian planes in United States and Europe to discharge hundreds of ill passengers experiencing symptoms of radiation sickness as Atlantic Ocean continues heating up to record levels

September 12, 2018 EU and US all rights reserved.  Permission to use this report in its entirety is granted under the condition it is linked back to its original source at WhatDoesItMean.Com. Freebase content licensed under CC-BY and GFDL.

orthodoxymoron wrote:People and Other-Than-People have been trying to "reach" me my whole miserable life. The problem is that everyone has been attempting to "reach" me with a million different and conflicting insights, truths, plans, and agendas. I've been told to "Let Go -- and Let God" among other things. The bottom-line is that whatever I think, say, do, or write is WRONG according to everyone. So, after a while, one tends not to care anymore. I am spied-upon, analyzed, managed, conspired-against, laughed-at, etc. I'm caring less and less and less about All of the Above. I've essentially "dropped-out" of mainstream-life (with very great social and financial sacrifices) to seek that illusive "truth". I thought that was the equivalent of leaving the rat-race for the mystical-silence -- but that still wasn't good enough. It's NEVER good enough. I don't care whether it's politics, religion, philosophy, music, or anything -- it's NEVER good enough. I think I might rejoin my Old Church -- rejoin the Republican Party -- stop researching the fringe-stuff -- stop posting on the internet -- drink the Kool Aid -- and get back to work (with fast and trendy thinking, walking, and talking). I might even trade my dumb-phone in for a smart-phone -- start texting and playing Pokémon Go!! I might start sleeping in the wrong bed (like everyone else). I might even try to join the Masons!! The Ancient Egyptian Deity invited me to join!! But that was before the AED said they were sorry we couldn't work together!! I guess I just wasn't good enough to hobnob with the elite. I guess I'll always just be another Completely Ignorant Fool. Actually, my mind is mostly empty already. I don't really need to silence my mind. There's really not a lot going on in my deluded head. But perhaps in my next life I can Sell My Soul to Satan and become a New World Order Manager. Hope Springs Eternal.

mudra wrote:I understand my friend.
I mean you no harm.
The truth is hard to crack. So many possibilities.
One thing I know Oxy is You are good enough.



Love for You
mudra

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I'm perfectly capable of carrying on a conversation with myself.  

My advice... who the hell am I to give advice HAHA!  Still, I offer advice all the time whether people want it or not (I'm such an @ss).  Why not.  It's one reason why some of us are here (to be @sses).
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Pris wrote:

JesterTerrestrial wrote:

OK what you wanna talk about? I seen lots of the posts on here but how can one reply to thousands of questions where yourself is spammed by yourself?

JT makes a good point about you, Oxy.  You constantly spam yourself.  (Yeah, yeah, 'opinions are like a-holes, everybody's got one'.)
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Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:I guess I'll just keep modeling what no-one gives a damn about -- which might be just as well -- because the implications and ramifications of my various theories and insights are quite devastating. If anyone bothered to really research what I've posted, they might have severe mental and spiritual problems, which might lead to severe criticism of my threads.

Nice try, Oxy, but you have a lot of readers.  You can't pull that 'poor me' crap.  Obviously, somebody gives a damn.

People might want to severely criticize your threads if they really bothered to do the research?  I sense from you you're desperately hoping they will.  Out of the frying pan and into the fire... that's always exciting.  At present, we're in a quiet forum as far as member involvement goes.  You could join a different forum with more active members and then they will pounce on you.  It can get a bit much -- trust me.  Sometimes, quiet is nice.  But, like you, I could do with a few more voices around here.

orthodoxymoron wrote:I think the legalities of people going nuts after viewing threads on a particular website should be very-carefully researched, so as to avoid exposure. What if someone "lost their faith" after viewing my U.S.S.S. threads, and went insane and/or committed suicide?? I think the "real-truth" might be extremely difficult to deal-with for even seasoned-researchers. A brainwashed religious-person might "lose-it" rather quickly and easily -- and go down hard. That's my concern. So, perhaps I shouldn't complain about non-participation on my threads. Perhaps that might be a "blessing in disguise". I just know that "giving people what they want" and "telling them what they wish to hear" works SO much better than the truth, the whole-truth, and nothing but the truth. Perhaps I should've become a smooth and cunning televangelist with a 25,000 member church -- and a worldwide television-show -- lying and laughing all the way to the bank. Then, Satan might've given me a ride in his (or her) UFO -- and given me a private-tour of the Dark-Side of the Moon!! Joining a Secret-Society and Selling One's Soul to Satan seems to be the road to fame, fortune, and power. Unfortunately, "eating one's dragon" and becoming "perfectly-possessed" seems to be part of the deal. Plus, I keep hearing about the elite participating in human-sacrifices and unmentionable-abominations. I should stop.

Well... that whole paragraph is your truth, Oxy.  It's not necessarily anyone else's.  Do you get that?

Yes, we all need to be responsible for our own actions.  Each one of us has the power to make choices about however we decide to interpret this reality/non-reality/whatever and decide, individually, what's important or not.  If you're doing something that you think may harm others and that bothers you, then stop it.  Meantime, everyone has a free will.  It's up to people to decide if they want to 'lose it' by simply researching your stuff.  Their own ignorance is something they need to work through (nobody said this game was fair).  That's got nothing to do with you.

One thing in particular that does bother me about what you post is the repeated anti-reptilian imagery (plus 'illuminati' mumbo-jumbo).  I've got a few of those negative images seared into my mind, thanks to you.

Here's my feeling:  for the most part, I don't think the reptiles are the bad guys (should they even exist).  The 'illuminati' shite is particularly irksome in the way you combine it all.  It feels like a 'disconnect', and it just makes me want to punch somebody in the face.  Is that your intention -- the reaction you want (or are you just trying to freak people out)?  I'm not a fan of fear porn, btw.

Nanu said something the other day in my Wilcock thread that relates to this.  I've included my response:

Pris wrote:

NANUXII wrote: He is a long term sleeper .. like Icke .. they have infiltrated every facet of information distribution and plant seeds of doubt

eg : Icke is always against the reptilian races .. this is an NWO agenda.   The reppies are probably our best hope.

and some food for thought ... if a high profile figure from the UN can get knocked off for testifying in court against a clinton , why is Icke allowed to do wembly and state the Queen is a Lizzard and just keep on going ?  

hmmm

simple ... because thats what they want :0)  

its all there ...

Sweet, Nanu.  Well said.

I've gained a lot from both Icke and Wilcock, but you're sure right about them both.  Planting seeds of doubt (a.k.a bull shite) is what they do.

The reptiles are our best hope?  I wouldn't know myself, but it wouldn't surprise me one little bit.  Dragons... I've always had a thing for dragons.
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In my opinion, whoever is 'out to get you', Oxy... you seem to be doing them a huge favour.

Why do you think they let you rattle on?
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Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you mudra. I lean toward the intensification of the internal-dialogue BUT with the refining and perfecting of this dialogue. I should spearhead The Monkey-Mind Potential Movement!! Emptying the mind seems to open the door to various types of supernatural infiltration and subversion (especially if one has ingested their dragon). Something sinister seems to be occurring within the general-public and the nether-realms. We're seemingly being dumbed-down in a high-technology and esoteric-philosophical manner. I'm not sure I like where this is going. I have some theories -- and they're NOT nice.

What's with the whole degrading, 'Monkey Mind' thing?  You're offending monkeys.  I happen to love my mind.  It's a beautiful, beauuutiful thing.

Btw, I tend to agree with you that the internal chatter is a good thing, actually.  I've used my 'chatter' to really drive home an intent which makes for some fascinating directed altered states experiences.

Note:  in the process of initiating an OBE, I really have to focus and be 'clear', if that's what mudra's talking about.  Still, I seem to astral travel with my ego and mind entirely intact.

Why do you seem to fear having an OBE, Oxy (you mentioned it previously)?  There's nothing to fear when you are in charge.  It all comes down to choice again.
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orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you mudra and Pris. My misery makes me a bit of a S.O.B. This is chronic and debilitating. I'm NOT faking this!! If I understood how screwed I really am, I probably would end-up in the nuthouse (or worse) and I'm NOT kidding. I think I got the term "Monkey-Mind" from Carol. I don't know if the reptilians exist. I don't know much of anything. I'm currently wondering if this universe is fundamentally NOT Human. I'm currently wondering if this universe is fundamentally Reptilian. Notice that I'm pretty-much neutral regarding the PTB and the Reptilians. I pull my punches to an excruciating extent. BTW -- I have a Strong's Concordance (which is MUCH Better than a Young's Concordance). The major-problems with Biblical-Research are Verification, Authorship, Context, Translations, Interpretations, and the Attempts to Superimpose Antiquity Upon Modernity. I've tried to deal with these problems by making Biblical-Research Science-Fictional in Nature -- and NOT Trying to Convert ANYONE!! I think if church were up to me, I would lean toward a Fred Swann Crystal Cathedral approach -- which would mostly consist of MUSIC!!! I'm referring to the Arvella Schuller and Fred Swann directed Music-Program at the Crystal Cathedral in the 1980's and 1990's. Classrooms, Libraries, Bookstores, and the Internet are places where people can Wrestle with the Madness in their own ways. I keep thinking I should exit the Info-War before it gets REALLY Nasty!! A lot of what we've discussed hasn't really affected the general-public YET!! I think the PTB tolerate me because I screw myself SO Badly each and every day!! If only I were a hermaphrodite!! Think About It!! Just Kidding!!

Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:People and Other-Than-People have been trying to "reach" me my whole miserable life. The problem is that everyone has been attempting to "reach" me with a million different and conflicting insights, truths, plans, and agendas. I've been told to "Let Go -- and Let God" among other things. The bottom-line is that whatever I think, say, do, or write is WRONG according to everyone. So, after a while, one tends not to care anymore.

Whether or not we 'reach' you, Oxy, isn't really the point.  A part of me thinks it would be really kind of nice, but this is about so much more than just us.  This is a public forum and others are reading this.

Speaking only for myself, I'm doing everything I can to be insightful here for everyone's benefit and not just anal (mudra has been particularly insightful, certainly not anal ).

orthodoxymoron wrote:I am spied-upon, analyzed, managed, conspired-against, laughed-at, etc. I'm caring less and less and less about All of the Above.

Good.  That's a good start -- caring less and less about what others think about you.  What's important is what you think about yourself.

orthodoxymoron wrote:I've essentially "dropped-out" of mainstream-life (with very great social and financial sacrifices) to seek that illusive "truth". I thought that was the equivalent of leaving the rat-race for the mystical-silence -- but that still wasn't good enough. It's NEVER good enough. I don't care whether it's politics, religion, philosophy, music, or anything -- it's NEVER good enough.

'It's NEVER good enough.  It's NEVER good enough'  Repeated negative self-talk.  Blanket statement.  Not good.

How does one define 'good enough'?  By whose measuring cup?  You're sitting there telling us you know for a fact it's NEVER good enough.  Wow, that's pretty anal of you.  Who made you the authority?  

orthodoxymoron wrote:I think I might rejoin my Old Church -- rejoin the Republican Party -- stop researching the fringe-stuff -- stop posting on the internet -- drink the Kool Aid -- and get back to work (with fast and trendy thinking, walking, and talking). I might even trade my dumb-phone in for a smart-phone -- start texting and playing Pokémon Go!! I might start sleeping in the wrong bed (like everyone else). I might even try to join the Masons!! The Ancient Egyptian Deity invited me to join!! But that was before the AED said they were sorry we couldn't work together!! I guess I just wasn't good enough to hobnob with the elite. I guess I'll always just be another Completely Ignorant Fool. Actually, my mind is mostly empty already. I don't really need to silence my mind. There's really not a lot going on in my deluded head. But perhaps in my next life I can Sell My Soul to Satan and become a New World Order Manager. Hope Springs Eternal.

Whatever makes you happy, Oxy.  Who am I to judge?      

If this is all just a front and you're just being silly, whatever.

If this is how you really feel, then I'd say you're definitely playing into their hands.  They've got you, hook, line and sinker and they're laughing as you let them drag you off into your own little self-imposed hell.
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orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Pris. I don't do anything supernatural or creepy. I don't do Seances, Hypnosis, OBE's, Channeling, Remote-Viewing, etc. I think this brings one into close-proximity with beings who don't like humanity. I don't think I'm a match for these guys. I simply research and reflect. That's ALL. The "Not Good Enough" is NOT my judgment. The bottom-line is that none of this is worth the trouble. It's an exercise in futility. This solar-system is rigged. Resistance is Futile. I've been trying to End the Quest for years. Perhaps this will be the year I succeed. I hope the End is Near. Looking-Good and Making-Money work SO Much Better!! If only I knew how...

Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you mudra and Pris. I think I got "Monkey-Mind" from Carol. I don't know if the reptilians exist. I don't know much of anything. I'm currently wondering if this universe is fundamentally NOT Human. I'm currently wondering if this universe is fundamentally Reptilian. Notice that I'm pretty-much neutral regarding the PTB and the Reptilians. I pull my punches to an excruciating extent. BTW -- I have a Strong's Concordance (which is MUCH Better than a Young's Concordance). The major-problems with Biblical-Research are Verification, Authorship, Context, Translations, Interpretations, and the Attempts to Superimpose Antiquity Upon Modernity. I've tried to deal with these problems by making Biblical-Research Science-Fictional in Nature -- and NOT Trying to Convert ANYONE!! I think if church were up to me, I would lean toward a Fred Swann Crystal Cathedral approach -- which would mostly consist of MUSIC!!! I'm referring to the Arvella Schuller and Fred Swann directed Music-Program at the Crystal Cathedral in the 1980's and 1990's. Classrooms, Libraries, Bookstores, and the Internet are places where people can Wrestle with the Madness in their own ways. I keep thinking I should exit the Info-War before it gets REALLY Nasty!! A lot of what we've discussed hasn't really affected the general-public YET!! I think the PTB tolerate me because I screw myself SO Badly each and every day!! If only I were a hermaphrodite!! Think About It!! Just Kidding!!

HA!  You squeezed in another comment before I could finish.

If so, tsk tsk Carol for the 'Monkey-Mind'.

Enjoy your books, enjoy your studies, Oxy.  If that's what drives you, so be it.  We all need something to get us out of bed.

Hermaphrodite?!  I'm certain there are some people out there who'd give you two thumbs up on that one (oh my, did I just say that HAHA?).  

Oxy, have you ever seen the movie, 'The Phantom of the Paradise'?  It's one of my favourites.  I think you may glean some insight from it... I know I have.  

I love this song...

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The Hell Of It

Paul Williams   "Phantom Of The Paradise" soundtrack

Roll on thunder shine on lightnin' the days are long and the nights are frightnin'
Nothing matters anyway and that's the hell of it
Winter comes and the winds blow colder, well some grew wiser you just grew older
And you never listened anyway and that's the hell of it
Good for nothin', bad in bed, nobody likes you and you're better off dead goodbye
We've all come to say goodbye, goodbye
Born defeated died in vain
Super destructive you were hooked on pain and tho' your music lingers on
All of us are glad you're gone
If I could live my life half as worthlessly as you
I'm convinced that I'd wind up burning too
Loved yourself as you loved no other be no man's fool be no man's brother
We're all born to die alone y'know that's the hell of it
Life's a game where they're bound to beat you and time's a trick they can turn to cheat you
And we only waste it anyway and that's the hell of it
Good for nothin', bad in bed, nobody likes you and you're better off dead goodbye
We've all come to say goodbye
Born defeated died in vain
Super destructive you were hooked on pain and tho' your music lingers on
All of us are glad you're gone

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Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Pris. I don't do anything supernatural or creepy. I don't do Seances, Hypnosis, OBE's, Channeling, Remote-Viewing, etc. I think this brings one into close-proximity with beings who don't like humanity. I don't think I'm a match for these guys. I simply research and reflect. That's ALL. The "Not Good Enough" is NOT my judgment. The bottom-line is that none of this is worth the trouble. It's an exercise in futility. This solar-system is rigged. Resistance is Futile. I've been trying to End the Quest for years. Perhaps this will be the year I succeed. I hope the End is Near. Looking-Good and Making-Money work SO Much Better!! If only I knew how...

And, thank you!

You could be entirely right, Oxy!  Then again, you could be entirely wrong!  

What if there's nothing 'supernatural' or 'creepy' about any of this and it's all completely natural and normal?

Can't we just have some fun in the meantime?

If there's a-holes out there, screw 'em.  'Go out kicking and screaming', that's my motto.  Never will I submit.  The only power they hold over me is the power I grant them.
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orthodoxymoron wrote:Pris, I think Demonic-Possession (Perfect and Imperfect) is REAL. I believe I am Supernaturally-Harassed 24/7 -- and I think I'd be Possessed if I opened the door just a little bit. I think I got WAY Too Close to the Dark-Side with my "Amen Ra" thread on the Old Project Avalon http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18223 which I think led to my close-encounter with an Ancient Egyptian Deity, who said "I AM RA!!" I'm serious about spending the rest of my pathetic-life studying that 8,000 page Bible-Commentary written in the 1950's. Perhaps I should "Let Go and Let God!!" Or, perhaps I should "Let Go and Let Pokémon Go!!"

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I never said it isn't 'real' (subjective as it is to define what is 'real').

You sound as though you have submitted, Oxy.  Please, let me know if you think I'm wrong (but, realize, I'm not so easily CONvinced).

In my opinion, I think that you yourself allow this 'demonic possession' (although you claim it's 'not yet demonic possession' [you are certainly possessed by something even if it's only this subject matter]).  It is my feeling that you know this, deep down, despite what is said here.  You are gaining from this 'torture' of yours in some manner or else it wouldn't manifest in this way for you.

Screw 'RA'.

You yourself believe you have no control over the situation, Oxy.  Correct?  There you have it.
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orthodoxymoron wrote:Submissive to who and/or what?? To start with, this is a non-conformist and radical website. If I'm submissive, why do I stick my dick out each and every day on this godforsaken forum?? If I'm submissive, why do I take positions which no-one else (anywhere) seems to be taking?? If I'm submissive, why am I accused (in this very forum) of ignoring the comments of forum-members?? If I'm submissive, why does everyone seem to hate me?? I've concluded that the Real PTB wish to keep things stirred-up. They do NOT wish for the People of the World to Hold-Hands and Sing Kumbaya. That would be bad for business. I've also concluded that this solar-system is One BIG Business with One BAD@SS CEO (who probably has ruled this solar-system for at least the past 6,000 years). Do I sound submissive?? Could I get a government job?? Could I get a security clearance?? BTW -- I once applied for a Military Industrial Complex Job, where I had to wear a badge. It was sort of cool -- but I didn't get the job. It was submarine-related. If I told you more, you'd know too-much. Anyway, I think I've uncovered some things which have made various Individuals of Interest quite uneasy and/or upset. I've NEVER signed on the dotted-line -- but one night my television switched-on all by itself, and a VERY creepy Rumplestiltskin (from Once Upon a Time) appeared, saying "All You Have to Do Is Sign On the Dotted-Line!!" Honest. Do I create my very-own little-hell all by myself -- or do I receive "help" from the nether-realms?? Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get me. Just because I consider "crazy-stuff" doesn't mean I'm "crazy". I suspect "THEY" have a VERY unflattering file on me -- going way, way, way back. I just hope that Situation-Ethics carries some weight in Galactic Courts of Law. One More Thing. I've been told that French-Organists spend hours playing every conceivable note-combination regardless of how bad some of these chords sound -- just to exhaust all of the tonal-possibilities -- and to prepare themselves to be the Best Organists in the World. This is sort of what I'm trying to do on this website -- in a conceptual-sense. I am an Esoteric Possibility-Thinker (and mostly ashamed of it). I really wish to disappear without being removed (in the near-future).

"The Mainframe Made Me Do It!!"

Carol wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2gStUeYh7

Dr. Steven Greer on Carol Rosin Show -
New Critical Critical Urgent Disclosure Information - May 2016

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orthodoxymoron wrote:

Pris wrote:

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Here's a question for you, Oxy.  Have you ever had a flying dream?
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Pris, as a child, I routinely imagined building and 'flying' my own small 'flying-saucer' throughout the solar system, but not in a dream-state. I rarely recall my dreams, but I seem to have been physically, mentally, and spiritually impaired since puberty, and I wish I were kidding. Actually, I don't give a Flying F@#k if I have Flying Dreams, or not!! Siriusly, I sometimes dream of rising from the ground, and flying through the air (without wings) while concentrating on where I wish to go, but I do not (and will not) do that OBE thing (or try to psychically spy on people). I sometimes see a small streaming white-light before my eyes, which I interpret as someone spying on me. Sorry to disappoint you Spirit-Spies, but there's not much to see. Sometimes I flip-off the unseen-entities. One of these days, I'll probably lose my finger (and probably my soul). Mea Culpa. Kyrie Eleison.

Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:When I spoke with the late astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell, we spoke of Life After Death -- rather than Walking On the Moon!! Dr. Mitchell spoke of the "Survival of Information" rather than the "Survival of the Soul". What if our "Soul Histories" are stored in a Lunar Grey Supercomputer?? What if our "Souls" are "Communication-Devices" to facilitate the operation of our "Mammalian-Containers"?? Once again, I won't do Seances, Regression-Hypnosis, Channeling, or ANYTHING of the sort (although I have spoken with someone who SEEMED to be some sort of an Ancient Egyptian Deity)!! What's creepy is that they wished for me to call them "Mitchell". What Would Edgar Mitchell Say?? They reminded me of Mr. Edgars in Babylon 5!! They spoke of recent "productive conversations" with the late astronaut Brian O'Leary. I also spoke with Dr. Carol Rosin -- and now I'm posting on a site hosted by "Carol". Sherry Shriner supposedly podcasts from Carrollton, Ohio. She claims to be the Granddaughter of King David. I know of a "David" who lives in a "King's Town" on "Ohio"!! Interesting!!

Yes, interesting, Oxy!  (If it was me, I would have asked Dr. Edgar Mitchell if he really did walk on the moon. ) I don't know about souls being 'communication devices'?... But, they do seem to be the spark of life and consciousness required to operate these 'mammalian containers'. I'm good with OBEs, but I also do not want anything to do with seances, regression/hypnosis (other than self-hypnosis), and channeling. This RA... I'm thinking he may be an imposter entity.  You know?  A trickster entity masquerading as someone else perhaps?  For all we know, there is/was an original benevolent RA whose form was hijacked. Trickster entities...The Rakshasa, for example, is a cannibal trickster entity that can apparently manifest in the form of someone you know and trust.  It plucks the person/image from your own mind and becomes that person.  That way it can get close enough to you so it can tear your flesh from your bones...  Anyway, that's part of the 'legend'.  It makes me wonder about 'angels', 'archangels', and 'guides'... and those 'family members' waving to loved ones from inside the white light tunnel... ..

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orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Pris. Once, when Mel Fabregas was interviewing Edgar Mitchell, he asked him if he saw anything of an alien or extraterrestrial nature on the Moon?? Dr. Mitchell started coughing and choking -- and the phone-line went dead!! I think "we've" been to the Moon -- but not with the Apollo equipment!! I continue to model the concept of a One Solar-System Government/Business with One CEO/President -- going back five to ten thousand years -- so who knows what's REALLY gone-on throughout the solar-system during that time??!! A Primitive-Humanity seems to have been managed by an Ancient Other-Than-Human Race for thousands of years!! If the Bible is to be even partially believed, a rather harsh God is revealed. There's some love and niceness -- with a lot of murder, mayhem, and manipulation. I seek an idealistic theological conceptualization -- but the Bible seems to militate against my best efforts and intentions. I continue to think that a "Nice" Creator was deposed and exiled -- with a "Mean" Replacement ruling the roost for thousands of years. The original-creator might've been the "Real-RA" with the guy I spoke-with being the "Replacement-RA". I keep thinking about that Dr. Who "Trial of a Time-Lord" where the "Valeyard" is called the "Doctor" by the "Master". This seems to reveal "Christ" and "Antichrist" possibilities. I also think about that Leo Zagami rant, where he says "Amen-Ra is my Father".

I realize this is thin reasoning, but I'm trying to construct a Hypothesis of Why This Solar System Seems to be "God-Forsaken". Deception Seems to be Rampant -- which would be necessary if there had been a Nefarious Ancient Takeover. I continue to think that the Bible should be carefully studied for hidden clues and meanings. This might be totally useless OR it might reveal the MOST startling secrets and horrors. I have some theories regarding my relationship to "RA" but I don't wish to talk about it. The AED said that Serqet had a lot to do with our relationship (but who knows what that meant -- or whether there was any substance to it??)!! What I DO talk about is already WAY too delusional. I just think these guys can appear in a variety of bodies (via actual wardrobes of bodies -- or some sort of shapeshifting or illusion). This sort of thinking makes me shaky and crazy. But is my thinking any more crazy than Mainstream-Theology?? Think About It!! My delusional-thinking is internally-logical to me (but not externally-obvious). RA looked like Congressman Collins in State of Play -- and I seemed to be a bit like the Newspaper-Reporter. I keep reposting these videos -- but that's all I have to illustrate some of what I'm thinking. If you could only imagine what I imagine!! The Horror!!

I tend to agree with you, Oxy, about us having gone to the moon -- not with the technology they'd have us believe.

A harsh 'God' in the Bible indeed -- especially in the Old Testament.  Btw, the word 'testament' is related to testis, testicles lol, the skewed/invented (arrogant) male POV.  How's that no surprise.  Besides that, the Old Testament reads like a Satanic ritual 'how to' manual...  I never got that far into it before getting completely grossed out.

Uh-huh.  This current 'Ra' seems like an imposter to me.  Illusional 'shapeshifter'... yes, possible.  Just how does each person's perception (and group perception) of reality (thoughts are things, creator intention) affect the possible manifestation of such a creature...  a monster from the Id.

Forbidden Planet

orthodoxymoron wrote:If you could only imagine what I imagine!! The Horror!!

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mudra wrote:

The Near Death Experience in Iraq That Defies Belief

Natalie Sudman had quite an unusual near-death experience in the moment when her truck hit the bomb. She did not experience the typical out-of-body experience where she might have been floating above the scene before rushing through a tunnel toward the light. Instead, Natalie simply blinked from one environment to another instantly, finding herself on a sort of stage addressing thousands of other spirits who seem to be studying her experience vicariously. Natalie then describes a sort of download of information. She calls it a “transfer of information in the form of an inexplicably complex matrix”. The information included “events, thoughts, incidents, individuals, and groups in all their relationship complexities: stories, concepts, connections, nuances, layers, judgements, and projections. It included kinetic equations and dimensions and symbols and flows.” or as she says later, “might be very broadly understood as cultural and political information.”

Love Always
mudra

orthodoxymoron wrote:I have been reduced to considering some really nasty possibilities regarding God, god, angels, demons, souls, supercomputers, aliens, et al, to attempt to understand history and our present-predicament. It seems as if one must think God's and Satan's thoughts after Him and/or Her, to get at what's really going on. Most people should NOT attempt this sort of thing, and I'm wishing I hadn't tried, yet I still persist, for illusive reasons. I keep wondering if this solar system was invaded in antiquity, with the invaders being trapped, and put to work on this hypothetical Prison-Planet. When I spoke with Dr. Edgar Mitchell about the Soul Surviving Death, he said there was a Survival of Information rather than Soul-Survival. This seems to imply a Supercomputer recording 'Every Secret Thing'. What Would Mr. Edgars Say?? What Would Mitchell Say?? What Would Elizabeth Mitchell Say?? That's All I'm Going to Say.

"Everyone Thinks I'm a Dick-Head!!"
"Ergo, I Go Incognito!!"

Mercuriel wrote:

Oooyeah - I got more where that came from...

Carol wrote:Oxy, you've outdone yourself.  

Merc, you're such a tease.       If people had any idea who you really are their jaws would drop.  

I would love to see that "more" you have along with that video on the space command.

Mercuriel wrote:

Mercuriel wrote: Ei Yei Yei...

orthodoxymoron wrote:Clouds and Pyramids on the Moon? OMG!!! We can't order those pictures from NASA can we!?

Nope - Thats very Unlikely. They'd (NASA = Never A Straight Answer) deny that these were even Pictures of the Moon and They'd say whats always said about most Disclosure Photos NOW...

"They're photoshopped..."

That said - As far as I know They aren't...

orthodoxymoron wrote:It would be sort of cool to live on the Moon, wouldn't it? Or, would the novelty wear off rather quickly? We humans like new and exciting things, but we often get bored rather quickly, and then we're off on another adventure! But seriously, I would love to spend a decade on the Moon, especially if Moon-walks, huge telescopes, and Cray supercomputers were part of the deal!

It would be VERY cool Oxy. That stated - If thats ever going to happen for the Average Joe - Its gonna take the Masses waking up to the larger Reality around Them now. This is the Crux though isn't It and hence the reason for all the Fear, Chaos and subsequent Control They're now attempting to exert over the World as a whole. Gotta FORCE that Negative Harvest which is a Reality that We'll either have to Avert or Deal with...

In fact - I'm going to start a Thread on this very thing today so We can begin the discussion.

orthodoxymoron wrote:I like the idea of colonizing the solar system, but how would we keep it pristine ? I wonder what the solar system was like before the huge ancient wars screwed everything up, and turned Maldek into the Asteroid Belt? I fear that Earth could become an asteroid belt in a matter of minutes. Why does there always have to be a goddamn war?? I understand competition, but I don't understand war.

As anything observed by Consciousness converts Itself from a Wave to a Particle so It can be observed by Consciousness - Its impossible to keep anything Pristine or in It's Elementary State that would be Colonized by Us or any other Lifeform. Its not possible due to the properties of observing something in Matter. An Observed State and an Unobserved State cannot exist in the same Space.

As War is the most extreme version of Competition that there is in Matter - It makes sense that some Lifeforms would engage in this practise after the Polarity Game became the standard for this specific Universe Cycle...

orthodoxymoron wrote:The mystery of iniquity, I guess. If there really is an Orion - Sirius - Egyptian - Roman Empire (or something similar), lead by a Draconian Reptilian Queen, what would it take to have a Peaceful and Happy Solar System where Human Beings would not be enslaved, exterminated, or abused in any way, shape, or form??

It would take one of two things.

1. That They were somehow stopped in Their plans for War and the Conquest of other Species including but not limited to Mankind (The Greys would also like release).

Now - This could be through Them either stopping Themselves by finally listening to Their own Wise Counsel - Or - By having another more Powerful Actor enter the Scenario - Thereby forcing THEM to cease and desist on Our behalf...

Or...

2. We rise up against Them Ourselves and take Our Power back in various ways. This would require Them being exposed and thrust into the Full Light of Disclosure and while I understand that this is the most difficult thing to actually get rolling - Once We do and It comes out as being Verified - It'll be like a Dam busting...

orthodoxymoron wrote:Should the solar system be integrated or segregated ?

Well as the Universal Goal is Integration back into the Whole as a Singularity before the next Universe Cycle - Integration is what should be practised as that is the Path of Unity and all else is Competition...

orthodoxymoron wrote:Greys v The Board of Education? Should the solar system be completely human, or what? How many human planets and moons are there in the galaxy? How many reptilian planets and moons are there in the galaxy?

Does it really matter as long as the Mentalisms displayed above are taken into account ?

orthodoxymoron wrote:How much of a prize is this solar system? What is the big issue in this current mess?

Its a great prize. There are Wormhole Portals in this System that link up with many other Constellations and Dimensions or Parallel Realities if You will. As well - This is a System rich in Minerals and Resouces that ALSO has a Slave Race called Humans which is located on Terra / Earth - The Third Rock from the Sun...

orthodoxymoron wrote:How accurate is Robert Morningsky's material?

Hmmm - I'm not sure so I guess We'll just have to see won't We. That said - Its easy to put up a Warning saying beware without Dates as to when to really beware. This makes the Warning open ended where It can never be placed into the Categeory of disinfo as its open ended and always moving to It's already drawn Conclusiuon - That of "Beware".

That said though - If We reach the Stages that He says We're approaching or at least His Grandfather (IIRC) did - Then We're truly "pooched" and the conclusions about Our Reality from that point then are pretty accurate I'd say. That stated - Those results will have to occur to be accurate and as with Consciousness - Visions of the Future can always change based on Our next collective decision...

orthodoxymoron wrote:Until I receive a helluva lot of evidence, I will assume that this solar system is a Human Island in a Draconian Reptilian Universe, and that we are on the brink of extinction.

Good - Because if You do then You'll be approximating things correctly. The Elites or EL'ites (More on EL'ites later in another Post as there is good and bad in All) have Us on the Brink of Total Domination and They're doing It for Their Offworld and Subterranean Masters. As D. Icke so correctly puts It - The Totalitarian Tiptoe does have Us on the Brink of total Domination and exclusive of that - Destruction if We will not Capitulate...

orthodoxymoron wrote:What would it be like to be on the bridge of a Draconian Reptilian Queen-Ship? Can you imagine observing a dozen drac warriors debating battle strategy? Can you imagine how bad a Drac v Drac Star War might be?!

In the current Paradigm - It would likely be Awesome until They saw the Human(s) and then We'd be fighting for Our Lives I believe. That said - If We were Reps (I like to use Lizards as a term as They really hate It) - We'd be Slaves of the Nobility and / or Ruling Class of Draconians - Would be answering to the Officer Class as to Orders and so therefore We'd likely take It for granted...

orthodoxymoron wrote:Why can't there be a completely peaceful universe?

That was the last Universe Cycle called the "Time of No Waiting" (Instantaneous Manifestation). That said - As not much Learning was done due to there not being a need to Learn anything at all - Just the want to in that Cycle - This Universe Cycle was and is to be all about Spin - Competition from that Spin and the Striving of the Dualities as They make Their way back home to Prime Creator in Integration for the next Universe Cycle and Grand Experiment.

We are still upon the Outbreath...

orthodoxymoron wrote:Why can't Responsible-Freedom and Constructive-Competition be the MO in a Brave New Universe?

Perhaps if enough Aspects become Aware that this is the best Path forward in this Universe Cycle - That will indeed come to pass. With that said - I will offer this Oxy...

As Prime Creator wishes that through Divine Will - It will occur. The only point as limited Aspects that We need think on is when. I would wager then that as long as We don't give up trying to make that a Reality - It will happen sooner - Rather than later...

orthodoxymoron wrote:Hope springs eternal, and thank-you very much for the fantastic photos Mercuriel!!

You're welcome. I will Post more over time when They're Relevant and can make an Impact...

Mercuriel wrote:Why are You Posting excerpts from Scripture Oxy ?

To what end I mean ?

Carol wrote:

You've become quite the scholar Oxy with varied personal experiences with interesting people.
Good for you.

orthodoxymoron wrote:Carol, I've met a few people -- and noticed a few things -- in a pretty-much disappointing, pathetic, and useless life -- but I try to incorporate a little-bit of everyone and everything into my ongoing online-adventure -- for better or worse -- I know not. Which might be better -- a Biblical-Heaven or a Technocratic-Heaven?? Which might be worse -- a Biblical-Hell or a Technocratic-Hell?? What Would Brother Rich Say?? What Would Mr. Edgars Do?? I've come to the conclusion that 99.99% of the souls in this solar-system have NO Idea what's REALLY in their future (and that especially includes me). I get the sinking-feeling that each faction and each Messiah will be made to think they're the Chosen-Ones -- when in reality, they'll all get royally-screwed, just like everyone-else. BTW -- I was looking forward to listening to yet another Sherry Shriner Show -- but she didn't have one last night. The shows are sort of crazy -- but I honestly think she reveals little bits and pieces of the "Good-Stuff" for those with "eyes to see -- and ears to hear". The Horror.

WHO OWNS THE WORLD
by
Kevin Cahill with Rob McMahon

http://www.amazon.com/Who-Owns-World-Surprising-Planet/dp/0446581216/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1376598858&sr=8-1&keywords=who+owns+the+world

Editor's Note: Almost 70 years ago Woody Guthrie wrote one of America's most famous folk songs in which he extolled the idea that this land is your land from California to the New York island -- his more descriptive way of saying this land is your land from coast to coast. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxiMrvDbq3s 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqZ3oNsMVr0 If taken literally, it's almost as if the lyrics imply a sense of landownership to all US citizens. Whether this is true or not is a matter of interpretation, but for me the greater question this song triggers is what do we know about the land of America's fifty states? Or for that matter, what do we know about the land of the seven continents or the 197 countries that are profiled in this book? In particular, as the title of this book bluntly states, what do we know about who owns the world?

This book will answer questions you never dreamed to ask and reveal facts both startling and eye-opening. You'll learn that of the world's 6,602,000,000 citizens only about 15% of the population lay claim to owning any of its 36,933,896,500 acres of land. You'll also learn that 26 of the 35 still ruling monarchs own and control one-fifth of the world's land. And of these 26 monarchs, Queen Elizabeth II of England is the sole owner of 6,698,000,000 acres of land -- or approximately one-sixth of the entire land surface of the earth. By way of comparison, the Queen's landholdings total nearly three-times the size of the United States putting into clear perspective how and why she is the world's largest individual landowner.

As for the United States, two of the country's largest landowners are the federal government and media mogul Ted Turner, who owns many of the largest ranches. But more than just who owns what and how much they own, you'll learn how the country, as well as each state, is divided between farmland, forest land, and urban land. And maybe, like me, you'll be taken aback when you discover that in the world's third largest country four-fifths of the population resides (or crams) in urban areas. This revelation that so few people live in the wide open spaces of America is still difficult to fathom.

You'll also come to understand the role the four largest organized religions (Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism) play in the scheme of world landownership. For example, the Catholic Church is one of the largest landowners in the world as the church has a presence in more than 190 countries. The Vatican is such a powerful and formidable state that it is recognized as an independent country in international law and is a member of the United Nations. I always knew the Catholic Church had power and influence, but for the first time I now understand just how much power and influence.

I promise this book will change the way you view the United States and the world, as I doubt you'll ever look at, or take for granted, the land you live on or visit ever again. More than likely, you'll want to learn more. Which is ideal, because this book only begins to tell the story as it's an edited and abridged version of Who Owns the World: The Hidden Facts Behind Landownership by Kevin Cahill first published in Great Britain in 2006 by Mainstream Publishing Company.

The original book is a seminal work that not only reveals the history and extensive data behind landownership (particularly in Great Britain and Ireland), but explores in depth how an excess of landownership in too few hands (as has always been the case throughout history) is the single greatest cause for poverty throughout the world. Cahill's original book also makes the argument that the best, and fastest, way to overcome poverty is to grant each individual on earth one small slice of urban land for a home or an acre or two of rural land.

This book is a first resource for viewing the specific details behind the land and landownership of each country in the world. The first four chapters examine the arguments made in the original book, but more specifically these chapters provide background as to how the world's land has come to be divided by ownership and geography. Chapter five profiles the United States and the balance of the book focuses specifically on each country in the world. By studying the individual profiles of each country, it becomes immediately clear that Kevin Cahill is correct in his claim that landownership is indeed a game with too few players. A sad realization, but armed with the information these two books provide, on that hopefully can begin to be rectified before too long.

Introduction: When work on this book began in 2002, there was no map to follow. No attempt had ever been made to compile a structured, numerate account of landownership in the world, or to create a single summary of landownership in each country, however general. The ownership of most of Planet Earth could have been far more easily enumerated around 1900, when most of the planet's land was still held by empires, operating on the feudal or earlier Roman principle, that the emperor or sovereign owned all land in the empire. But no one made this attempt. Even Jack Powelson's great 1989 work, The Story of Land, failed to close the thesis that was everywhere present in his book: that the human population is relatively landless now and had always been almost totally landless throughout history.

That fact raises the most profound questions in three specific areas: ethics, economics, and survival.

The ethical question arising from the history of landownership is simple: Why did the planetary population put up with a continuous crime, a crime committed mainly by the ethical leadership of the planet in the form of sovereigns and their supporting priesthoods? The leadership preached morals and good conduct, while engaging in the basest of greed and misconduct, a greed for land that regularly killed thousands, hundreds of thousands, and in many cases, millions. Hypocrisy is bad enough of itself. In relation to ethics and land, it has proved continuously lethal to the race throughout history.

In economic terms, there is no economics of landownership. That book or work has never been written because no economist has started out from the framework dimensions of the planetary land surface, and then the numbers of the planetary population. On this basis all current economics are ad hominem and as such totally unreliable, as we recently discovered.

Third, survival. The core greed of sovereigns -- now replaced by states but by states operating on the same principle as the sovereigns of old -- has, through the misuse of land and the resources that go with land, put the future of the planetary population at risk. The ecological and environmental leadership never properly address, indeed never address, the issue of land ownership and its role in conservation. To do so they would have to address their masters in governments and ruling establishments and profoundly disturb them -- something they will never do.

The issue of landownership is almost universally the subject of deceit by those in authority and those behind it. The most extraordinary example of this occurred in the UK between 1873 and 2001. In 1872 Parliament commissioned a record of every individual holding an acre or more of land in England, Wales, Scotland, and Ireland. The four-volume record, titled The Return of Owners of Land, was everywhere referred to as the second Domesday at the time of publication (between 1873 and 1876). This was a reference to the first Domesday, compiled in 1086 by William the Conqueror -- known in France as William the Bastard -- a record of landownership in the UK. It was nothing of the sort, however, confined as it was to about 35 of the 40 English counties. It was the King's swag list, and books like it occur throughout history, starting in 2030 BC in Egypt. Works like the second or true Domesday are extremely rare. That of 1873-1876 was excised from both the scholarly and the public record in the UK, between 1881 and 2001, when it reappeared in Who Owns Britain and Ireland and formed the foundation of that book.

Who Owns the Solar System??!!
Who Owns the Technology??!!
Class-Warfare Gets My Goat!!

Carol wrote:

Talking to Crazy
How to Deal with the Irrational and Impossible People in Your Life
By Karl Lawrence on Saturday, December 26, 2015
http://www.wellness.com/drmark

Whether it's at work or within our own family, we all have to deal with people who are just plain irrational. Though at times it may seem hopeless, there are things we can do to penetrate that thick-skulled source of frustration and irritation. Here's how... Don't Let Difficult People Suck the Life Out of You...

In this week’s episode of Your Best Life, Karl interviews Dr. Mark Goulston, who is a psychiatrist, hostage negotiator, trainer, and one of the top experts on listening. Mark has been a crisis psychiatrist for 30 years, has been a UCLA professor of Psychiatry for 25 years. and a fellow of the American Psychiatric Association. During this episode, Karl and Dr. Goulston discuss ideology and communication, mental real estate, hacking Steve Jobs, losing warmth, and breaking the cycle.

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Pris wrote:

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In 'The Lord of The Rings', there's Treebeard, a giant walking, talking tree. Connection to 'TREEE, GROOT', perhaps?

Speculation (with relation to RA)... maybe this has something to do with our subconscious mind (deep in the forest) and our '3rd eye' pineal gland (my home) located between the two brain hemispheres? (near the roots of the mountains)...

I kind of liked the baby Groot, but now you've got me thinking... Maybe it represents something not so 'wholesome'. Hollywood is constantly manipulating us without our comprehension. Most people haven't the foggiest clue how our minds are being deliberately messed with (see also: hyperreality and predictive programming). Hollywood is all about mind manipulation -- sorcery of the worst kind for, what's become blindingly obvious, a not-so-hidden agenda.

Frickin' RA... I've repeatedly gone after David Wilcock for his religious obsession with 'The Law of One' and RA as somehow being a 'good' thing (and pushing the 'white light tunnel' and belief in 'karma'). I equate RA to a nasty trickster entity. If RA is pushing 'The Law of One', then that most definitely can't be a good thing. I was censored in David's website comments section when I started to question these things. You can't have anything that threatens David's credibility and book sales, right?

Then, Corey Goode wormed his way out of the wormwood with his eight foot tall, blue avian (bird) ETs (seemingly altered states entities), one of which David Wilcock thinks is the embodiment of RA (or at the very least, RA takes on or steals the forms of others that make him appear 'impressive' to us -- like bird-headed Thoth, and the dog-headed Anubis [in other words, for example, there may have been an 'original' Thoth that was benevolent. See also: The Emerald Tablets, Bill Donahue]).

I repeatedly went after David Wilcock for reporting altered states experiences (his and Corey's) as 'real' events -- as if that was 'proof' enough (of blue avian ETs for example). If I can conjure up Greys and goblins in an altered state just because I intended it, what does that tell you?

All those studies of yours are seemingly quite extensive, time consuming, and complicated, Oxy. My goal has always been to narrow things down to a common denominator -- cut through the crap and get straight to the goods (eg. I AM RA, Ancient Egyptian 'Deity' for Dummies). I'm driven to find overall answers quickly and easily. If I can get the gist of something fast, that makes me happy. The bottom line is truth doesn't need to be complicated (for me). That's how I see it.

We all have a 'knowingness' when we let go (NOT let go and let God! Uggh! ) and trust ourselves -- our own nature, our own intuition -- and look for answers inside.

'Let there be light!'.
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Carol wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:It's official. I used a different computer, and the videos I've posted don't display. You know -- the YouTube videos we post which show an image -- and all you have to do is click the arrow to make it play within the post (without having to go to www.youtube.com ). All I see is wide vertical black-bars instead of video-images. Were some of the videos too upsetting?? Were there complaints?? Have there been any lawsuits throughout the years?? I imagine that sites such as this one make various individuals and organizations (human and otherwise) VERY Angry!! I've posted some pretty upsetting videos recently -- but I thought this site was a proper place to do so.

I've noticed a change in the posting over the years -- starting with the Old Project Avalon -- and continuing with The Mists of Avalon. Despite the Bill and Kerry drama -- combined with the Richard and abraxasinas debacle -- there seemed to be more pure and detailed "truth-seeking". I also liked the larger numbers of forum-members (complete with posting whistleblowers such as Henry Deacon). It seems as if the better aspects of the Info-War have surrendered to a lower-vibrational Info-War. I have failed to find a Research Sweet-Spot -- and I'm frankly gravitating toward an 8,000 page Bible Commentary written in the 1950's to phase myself out of the alternative-quest scene. But I guess I've always been sort of a Latter-day Luddite. I'm sort of a contrarian "stick in the mud". Has it always been that way -- going way, way, way back?? Am I a Galactic Pain in Uranus?? That wouldn't surprise me one little bit.

I've also noticed that I'm being shunned on this website, and in real life. Was it something I said -- or is it who I am (going way, way, way back)?? I've made it clear that I'm doing a Modeling Research Project which doesn't reflect who I really am in real life. But has my approach awakened old rivalries and nastiness?? That wouldn't surprise me one little bit.

I have some theories regarding All of the Above -- but I thought I'd ask these questions directly in a new-thread.

Hi Oxy. I've noticed the vertical black box on my youtube posts as well and thought it was my computer, which I was going to send in and have it scanned for viruses. This apparently is a new forum problem, so be sure to post the link to the youtube post. Unfortunately we don't have Mercurial to watch out for us as he's been absent for months following his own health issues.

I know google and other servers have gotten yucky in a variety of ways as they are being controlled by Obama and crew as I recently read on Zero Hedge and elsewhere. I suspect our forum is targeted because of the content for awhile now, especially how difficult it is to find Mists on google. We used to have loads of pages that referred back to us there but its all changed as it has for other controversial forums. However, our traffic has gone up a bit so someone is finding us and reading. And our membership is increasing but the new folks aren't posting. Our forum has primarily been a readership forum with few posters.

I don't know of anyone shunning you and did respond to some of your posts in recent past. Most of my attention these days has been focused elsewhere on a problem with a neighbor at home and then on International Finances and this election - especially with all of the info coming out on WikeLeaks and the whole corrupt government issues as this election is a make or break it one on multiple levels, so I've also been doing some campaigning.

I do appreciate those members who do post and hope they don't give up on us. Even in the Skype rooms I'm in there is little chatting. GLP still is a good news breaking chatting forum as is Bill's forum.

I too wish we would have more members who would post as they enrich our little internet community. Let's keep the light on for everyone and let folks know to post their youtube links with this recent youtube kerfluffel.

Okay.. I just read Mudra's response about the computer with youtube not loading correctly and will check on that. I'm much happier thinking it is a personal computer problem then a forum problem. Thank you mucho gracias micro.

Hey JT. Glad to see you posting and you're right. Big hug to you bro.

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Pris and Carol. The videos are no longer a problem for me (after loading some sort of Flash upgrade) -- but I have a heck of a time getting the posted-images to appear. Regarding the shunning -- I suspect that some of it is imagined -- some of it is real -- and some of it is just more of my online theatrics. I take real problems -- and enhance them with "script-writing". I'm confused and crazy -- but I do a lot of online acting -- which would be deceptive if I didn't keep telling everyone that's what I'm doing. But I suspect that my warnings are mostly not heeded -- which is part of the experiment. You know -- telling people what you're doing, and then see if they pay attention. I've come to the conclusion that's what the Bible does. There are certain key-phrases which change everything -- yet which are ignored by the major religions, churches, and theologians -- which would make sense if they're all controlled by the same guy and/or gal. What Would Amen Ra Do?? I'm almost to the point of wishing to move to a small mountain cabin (with or without a bunker-basement) and NOT have the internet. A telephone might be a necessary-evil. But just go as minimalist as possible -- yet make a decade-long study of the following seemingly boring sources:

1. The Best and Latest Set of Encyclopedias.

2. The Latest Version of the SDA Bible Commentary (Approximately 8,000 Pages of Core-Commentary with probably 5,000 pages of Supplementary-Material). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh-day_Adventist_Commentary_Reference_Series

3. Sacred Classical Music (All of It).

The idea would be to go through all of the above (straight-through over and over) year after year. No UFO's. No Aliens. No PTB. No Conspiracy-Theories. No Violent and Horrific Science-Fiction Movies. No Corrupt Politicians, Bankers, CEO's, et al. Just hour-long hikes -- chopping wood -- gardening -- looking at the planets with a 16" Dobsonian telescope -- etc. Perhaps they have a Nice Nuthouse in the Rockies (with Rooms with Views and Sexy Sex-Therapists)!! Hope Springs Eternal.

"How Can I Help, Oxy??"

SuiGeneris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Congratulations Sui. An unbiased-observer and experienced-journalist should write a book covering the history and details of the Thuban-Phenomenon.

Hi Oxy,
I agree, I think that would be a great idea and I am willing to talk to any who is interested in doing just that. They are welcome to pm me here or reach me on Skype.

orthodoxymoron wrote:I've used some of the Thuban-Material in "My" Threads, mostly because they are so different and colorful -- and because they added another dimension to my "Moot Holy-War".

What is a Moot holy war?

orthodoxymoron wrote:I am troubled by the following post by rich288 (who only made this one post).

rich228 wrote:I would like to ask Abraxas and her so called 'Council of Thuban,' why they are possessing people and holding them hostage in their own bodies and implanting them with excruciating devices that causes intense suffering for years on end (12 years and counting in my case)? Oh...and why they lie, and deceive, mislead, act in a degenerative manner, disrespect the body of the host, causing them to hurt themselves in agony, pain, and unrelenting suffering caused by the entities possessing the body. Is this part of the dragonization process? Is this legit?

I remember that guy now that you brought him up.  It’s been a year since he came forth to ask that question and looking back I wish that I had answered him using “I” and not “us Thubans”. In reality the answer I gave him was my own, not that I ever consulted with anyone as far as what I will say…at least I don’t do that; but I was still trying to salvage a little bit of the Thuban ‘image’ back then. I banned him because after his exchanges with him, Rok became convinced that he was a troll and as I did not have any previous experience dealing with trolls before, I took Rok’s words for it. But I have to say that now, reading back at what he had to say I can see his point of view better and I can also see as well where he took offense when I told him that what he had, seemed to be the result of a “psychic self-attack that originates in the mind of the believer”.  All of my responses after that statement were more or less based on this premise.  I can tell you Oxy that right now…I am not so sure he was wrong in the first place. He came to me convinced that the beings who had him possessed were Thubans because he said they told him they came from many places including Thuban, so he found Thuban on the net and came to ask questions. I understand that, but what I was trying to tell him was that “we” didn’t do it. I was speaking for myself and I should’ve said hey I’m not those beings, i’m not “Sirebard Beardris” or a founding member of this “Council of Thubans” as I used to say.

About this “Council”, what I always meant with this statement —that originated with Tony anyway— is that I was one of the founding members of this online group, and not the actual Council of Thuban in some other dimension if there even is one. At least this is how I understood it.  Many things were inferred but never actually expressed. Many things were sort of accepted and used by us without actually giving it much thought…just because that is how things were form the beginning, and we all took Tony’s word for it. Was it because I as well as some of us or all of us were somehow “in the zone” ourselves…a place in the mind and brain where information has been able to reach without our actual soul’s consent? I think it is possible. I just reinstated his demonic possession thread http://www.birthofgaia.com/t258-draconian-demonic-possession#3693 for two reasons. 1. Just due to the slight possibility that he might not have been a troll after all. And 2, due to the answer Tony chose to give him.

Tony decided to answer rich228 with an excerpt from a paper Rok made named “Thuban 101”, designed to explain in simple terms the basics of Thuban ‘philosophy’, which should be said it is Tony’s point of view, not Rok’s. In other words, it is Tony’s data but explained in Rok’s words as Rok understood it.  It is the part titled “About the so called Possessions” and the main idea as you can see is basically self-induction. Not surprisingly it was the first thing that came into my mind in my reply to rich. But now I find myself asking, these entities, devils and daemons…is it true they really don’t exist? Are they really manmade and reside only in the mind? Since man uses his mind as a processor it makes sense that at some point these ideas are going to be in the mind, but do they really originate from there? Does the collective reptilian memeplex originate solely in the mind or did it also have an external origin? I say ‘also’ because we already know it is in the mind, but how did it get there? If humans “tune into” these ideas then that means these ideas are also outside. And not just hollow ideas but the force that comes with it. I think that is what he tried to explain to me at one point, and I wish now that I would have thought about it then so maybe we could have gone deeper into it together. Typical TR response was —oh he’s full of memes.

Memeplexes would be then the effect of the cause, and NOT the cause itself. Memes have grown exponentially now and are spread all over since we all share our minds in the subtle world or Noosphere. If humans, just being born on this planet, have the potential ability to tap into these archetypical forces, and we assume that they reside on the ‘beyond’ or on some subdimension of the same physicality we’re in, yet in another frequency we cannot see; then why is it that some people are more prone to these ‘assaults’ than others? Why don’t they affect us all equally and to the same degree? We have heard countless people with similar testimonies of not only seeing what they describe as daemons but also interacting with them, even revealing physical marks on their bodies…tales of abduction and inseminations, etc. Are all these people lying? Have they all gone insane? Is this memeplex so HUGE that they actually believe they have seen and undergone these experiences and just made them all up in their mind? We already know it’s in the Mind because that’s where it’s stored and why it comes out under hypnosis. Are these memories self induced? I guess the possibility definitely exists that at least some of them COULD be…by way of resonance with the collective mind, BUT are they all this way? Could some of these memories also be incepted as some AI mind control victims propose?

Is it possible that “The Council of Thuban”, as a non physical authority, NOT the group of people made up by TR and some on 3D, do not wish to be seen by humans…or even be considered to actually exist? If these archetypes or ‘principalities in high places’ are the same forces that existed before physicality and are now in the end times ready to be reintegrated or are “coming home”, then there is no way that humans can ‘get rid of them’ or ignore them or not sense them, since they as thought forms are embedded into the very fabric of this Matrix. So the only way of “destroying them” would be to actually reabsorb them into your own vessel or to “eat them” yourself. Now, I do not know if they are only thoughtforms or they are also actually holding some form of less dense physicality, as I know there is a certain level of physicality throughout all levels or dimensions. But let’s assume for argument’s sake, that they are physical as well, in some place “out there” also. How are humans going to allow this ‘invasion’ from ‘higher places’ if they lack enough reconnection to actually make sense of the experience or to guide the pace at which this occurrence is manifesting?

IF the human is already re-connected to its original and purest form aka his Spirit, then it would be a SELF ‘invasion’, because humans are in fact in both places at the same time, inside and outside. It would be a reconnection done from the Spirit’s perspective; but when the link to the Self outside of this plane is weak or nonexistent, then at the time when the very fabric of this plane of existence intensifies putting pressure on all living beings, souls will have a ‘fight to the death’ inside of them feeling they are literally being assimilated and ultimately destroyed. So I feel the seemingly mental imbalance or ‘crazyness’ or attacks, might be the very soul fighting to survive a fight they sense they cannot win; hence the snapping into different personalities or various other ‘dis-orders’. Tony said: “There are so at this time, 50,000 old humans upon Gaia, who will be able to resonate with the Extraterrestrial assimilation plan.”

having considered all this, I feel this statement sounds a lot like the borg saying “Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated”, and no matter the degree to which this MAY be true at some metaphysical or quantum mechanical level, it will bring terror to the minds of people; not to mention that those not “attuned” are supposedly destined to die…and this creates an automatic clash emerging out of a primal instinct of survival within the human mind. Perhaps what SHOULD be stressed further instead is the way by which each individual will allow this “assimilation” to take place FROM the Self stance. This will be the only way to bring power back to the human being where it belongs.

orthodoxymoron wrote:I continue to think that New and Cutting-Edge Developments (of all varieties) should be viewed with Extreme-Suspicion. I strongly lean toward a Recent-Historical Approach, wherein one studies the last 100 years -- which would mean studying 1915 to 2015 presently -- in a Multidisciplinary-Manner -- so as to avoid getting sucked-into various schemes and hysteria. I haven't gotten involved in ANYTHING other than my Online Tempest in a Teapot -- and I have been rather badly-burned even by that passive and vicarious exposure to the madness. I'm presently trying to not post at all -- and just review what I've already done (with shame and regret). I keep getting the sinking-feeling that all-options are somehow bad (in various ways). Our "civilization" seems to be in the process of facing-reality -- and simultaneously embracing new-delusions. I think everyone wants things to be better -- yet few of us know how to actually make things better (individually or collectively). I've been attempting to avoid the Bad-Aspects of Biblical-Prophecy -- while seeking a High Moral and Spiritual Road -- and things aren't going so well (personally or collectively). But Hope Springs Eternal. Will a Human-Collective combined with Advanced-Technology save-us or destroy-us?? Time Will Tell (as it always does).

You can actually ‘make it better’ Oxy, by bettering the conditions of your OWN Self first. NOT telling them to choose between Islam and Christianity, but by explaining the truth of their extradimensionality first, by helping them remember their origins so that they themselves would naturally choose integration (of themselves) over rejection…or immortality over death. You can only do this via resonance, and that means that you must’ve had to undergone it yourself first…you can never expect to ‘show the way’ to others other than by example. You cannot force people to make a decision they cannot understand. You can only try to clear the way yourself, if you can, as in taking all the grown branches of a dead vine twisted around a healthy tree, so that it would be then clearly visible.

Tony might be a genius, but why was he and a few other Thubans labeled schizophrenic at some point by the medical establishment? Personally I never liked psychiatric labels because I think that industry has abused humans long enough. I am not saying absolutely all mental disorders are a fraud…maybe a few might be true, I don’t know much about the subject to have an informed opinion. I feel that it is no coincidence that so many Thubans have had to deal with this issue, and I think it might be because some people must have a certain propensity for it due to a heightened sensorial awareness of the metaphysical world or sensitivity of the soul.  I liked this article I read recently that touches upon this, and being Peruvian and knowing about the Shamanic world of the Amazon, this article did make sense to me http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/08/22/shaman-sees-mental-hospital/

This ‘hypersensitivity’ can be good at times like now, but it can also be bad, depending who is doing the thinking in you, the personality, the soul or the Spirit. Depending upon what part of you is actually ‘in charge’ in you. Because IF there are negative entities who are trying to take advantage of this cosmic energetic ‘push’ to force themselves into a place they do not belong; then, stressing terms like “Extraterrestrial assimilation plan” may not be a good idea when alluding to what actually is a divine occurrence, otherwise you would be feeding the very memeplexes you are trying to overcome. Believing you are to leave yourself completely opened to external forces might be actually inviting them in and they will take possession of your vessel because you have allowed them access. See, it never felt ok to me this almost ‘veneration’ of the ETs and their ‘starcruisers’ by Thuban rhetoric, not because I feared them, but because they are external to me and because I consider a species who needs human female eggs in order to further their evolution having become way too technologically advanced that have degenerated themselves by omitting emotions or that never had emotions to begin with, are actually inferior to humans.

The word “human” in Thuban was used way too many times for comfort to denote negativity “OW” (Old World) as something passé, something entropic. Humans in essence are NOT that. Humans are not inherently evil…it is society that corrupts them. And so, I propose to do the exact opposite. I propose that it is not a good idea to reject your humanness…your humanity, but to build upon it instead.  Not to call yourself an ET thinking that this label is somehow better than you, but to see yourself as you actually are and take pride in your innocence embracing your unique capacity to FEEL emotions. In all my years in Thuban I have learn by experience…by observation of what NOT to do, that there is no “skipping” or jumping right into becoming a “Starhuman” just because someone external has declared you so. Neither will it come from some external “salvation” be it from a “starcruiser command” or the efforts someone else did 2,000 years ago. Alchemical Transmutation requires actual Self-WORK to be done. It is not easy but it is not impossible either, as it has been shown. ‘But Xeia, the real ET’s are the plants and animals…you must love them all cosmically while you can go $%*# yourself because I despise your human mind’ Well…this “love of all” is another issue I can go over at a later time.

Big hug,

Xeia

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Sui. I'll read your post at least a couple of times. My "Moot Holy-War" is a "Tempest in a Teapot" wherein I basically argue with myself by using a lot of controversial and unorthodox material in unusual contexts as a mental and spiritual exercise for Sirius-Researchers. I've mostly attempted to superimpose my religious and political presuppositions upon the new and upsetting Information-War. In some ways, I think I've been too closed-minded -- and in other ways, I think I've been too open-minded. The result has been highly disorienting, traumatic, and confusing -- but the resulting Religious and Political Science-Fiction has been sort of interesting. I certainly wouldn't wish to expose the general-public to this sort of thing -- but hopefully the right people (and other than people) have benefitted from it. I think it will take a couple of years for me to really comprehend what I've created (with the help of many others -- including the Thuban-Crowd). I wasn't going to post in 2016 -- but I wanted to acknowledge your lengthy response -- which I haven't had a chance to really study -- but I will do that sometime today. Thanks again, Sui. I respect innovation -- even when it produces less than ideal results. I'm sort of a "live and learn" kind of guy. Namaste and Godspeed.

paulbenji wrote:Hi, I am Paul Benjamin from LA and the message below seems to correlate with the topic of this thread.

The Galactic Federation of Light & Ashtar is an Alien Hoax -- Everyone Please Read

Hello everyone,

This is an urgent message!!! Please take the time to read all of it. I’m writing you because there aren’t many places I can post this message and I need to tell someone before it’s too late. I am being tormented by demonic beings who claim to be the same as the GALACTIC FEDERATION, COUNCIL OF LIGHT, ASHTAR COMMAND, COMMANDER HATONN, AND THE ASCENDED MASTERS. They possess my body like a classic demonic possession. They have been tormenting me with lies now for several years. They spell in a very crude manner by moving my feet or toes. The spelling isn’t very good....can take hours to decipher. They claim that they have “gift for you.” Want to awaken kundalini. I have a constant buzzing sound in my head like I am part of an alien hive. I know that they use implants which they can implant through invisible means. I have found two of them just under my skin on my elbow. I have come to believe that these beings are infernal creatures that plague all humans. Most are unaware of it. We are merely host to alien beings who use us for their own agendas. Some of us more than others. I believe they are trying to set me up as a full time host or something. They are changing my body and consciousness in some way. It is the most frightening experience imaginable and I live with this daily. Please read the following....“Our bodies are also the result of sound resonating energy into form and if our minds are powerful enough to change the sound range of the body, it moves into another form or disappears from this dimension, altogether. This is what is called shape-shifting.” This came from the following web page www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/posers4.html.

I believe they are trying to steal me over to another dimension or shape-shift me into something else. I don’t know, but dread the thought of waking up somewhere one day surrounded by these monsters. These beings are master geneticist who are breeding human hybrids and hubrids which they are slowly integrating into our society. It is the highest form of subterfuge. The alien phenomenon is real. These beings have been the Gods of the bible (ELOHIM, JEHOVAH, JESUS) and all other religious deities. IT HAS ALL BEEN A RUSE!!! There is no God. There are only these beings who have given primitive humans an illusion of God. They also spurn cult religions, Satanic churches, wiccan covens, secret societies, secret cabals, you name it. They do this through mind control. They use subtle persuasion on weak minds or people that they have been manipulating for a lifetime. They are also supported by beings who are in physical form. You wouldn’t know they weren’t human if you passed them on the street. They form the secret government’s of the world. Controlled by the illuminati whom are nothing more than puppets for the alien rulers of this planet. Satanist who owe their allegiance to the greatest trickster of them all…LUCIFER. Who is actually responsible for ALL OF THE ABOVE.

These beings work with the most sophisticated technologies. It is beyond human comprehension. They operate with hyper nano tech, particle physics, electromagnetic energy, sound, light, worm whole technology, hyper drive vehicles, controlling weather, and so many other advanced methods that it would boggle the mind. They control this planet. They control our security agencies. They perform mass mind control through the media (sublimely). MONTAUK, MK ULTRA, BLACK BUDGET, PSY OPPS, MJ 12, you name it. They’ve had a hand in it. Now they want to present themselves as Ashtar of the Galactic Federation, Pleiadians, Sirians, the Arcturians, Andromedans, Christed beings, Michael the Archangel, Commander Hatonn, Christed beings, and Metetron, said to be the highest Archangel, and a host of other characters. Not to mention the beings behind all of the contact scenarios in the 50’s. Don’t you get it folks. We are all being played by alien imposters who are posing as our gods (or space brothers). This is right out of Stargate SG-1. These beings are actually demonic in nature. They hail from various densities (galaxies) and dimensions and they live right hear on earth.

Seven years ago I would have never believed any of this, but I know it to be true. Many people who channel messages from these beings are finding that their messages are faulty or just plain lies. They are beginning to question the source of these messages. I’m telling you it is none other than Lucifer. The Devil is real. He is an alien who comes in the form of man (or woman) when he chooses. More than that, it’s a system of aliens who, believe it or not, have been cloning themselves in human form since the beginning of human history and playing us like fools. This is the crux of the entire UFO phenomenon and what our government doesn’t want us to know. The Greys are merely roboids that these infernal beings use as a vehicle to get around in 3-D. The Men in Black phenomenon is also associated with these characters. However, they’ve traded in their black suites for ordinary street clothes and business attire. Still working in consort with their Grey and demonic counterparts. They also fly around in helicopters and airplanes. They are constantly circling my home in either of these aircraft dropping demons inside to possess me. I know it sounds crazy but it is true.

The truth is, they are us and we are them. Most all human souls hail from some star system or dimension controlled by these beings. They are merely beings who have control over very powerful technology. Perhaps reptilian or insectoid. Their souls are plasma just like ours. They have merely blended with machines and have become like cold blooded robots. They continually recycle our souls and maintain complete mastery over our lives from cradle to grave and back to cradle. They use artificial intelligence and modified human consciousness (Grey/reptilian) to do most of the dirty work when they possess a human being. They monitor all of the horrible things these monsters do to you. They lie, they deceive, make false promises, lead you down false paths. They will even remove items from your home or your person and admit it and will not give those things back to you. I believe our world is under great threat from these beings as David Jacobs points out in his book “THE THREAT.” Particularly hear in the United States.

We should demand that our government stop dicking us around and tell us the truth. You may find that many of these people, meaning the civil servants and people in appointed positions, are not what they appear to be. The television series “DARK SKIES” dealt with this topic. We should also demand that they tell the truth about the alien controlled bases all over the United States like Area 51, Mt. Shasta, Dulce, and others. Please note that I am of sound mind and intelligence. I’m writing this because I don’t think I have much more time. They are flooding my head with all of this energy and I am all but deaf in my right ear. I was recently told that they will turn me into flames. I don’t know if this is in reference to spontaneous combustion or what. But this is the kind of hellish intelligence that I am dealing with. I fear that if I don’t get this message out, I may not have an opportunity to later. Those of you who channel these beings, please ask them why they are tormenting me and post your comments here. Others, please pass this message along.

Rich

This is from Rich228:  www.lightworkers.org/

Carol wrote:Aloha Rich / Paul,

"The Galactic Federation of Light & Ashtar is an Alien Hoax.."

I've always thought of it as a joke and the threads on it at Mists are more for entertainment purposes.

"They possess my body like a classic demonic possession"

This isn't good. Have you sought help with any of this?

"I have a constant buzzing sound in my head like I am part of an alien hive."

Many of us are experiencing this buzzing due to the change of frequency along with some of the solar flares. Dolores Cannon also referred to how time has speeded up where a 24 hour day is now 12 hours. Our bodies are undergoing changes that have to due with an energy shift in frequency as well. I hear the buzzing (similar to a high frequency tone) all the time now.

You can take control of some of this by sounds you can listen to like the Relaxing 432 Hz DNA Healing - Nature Sounds [Chakra, Aura, Energy Cleanse] ? Positive Energy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD7wrw03gzk

"I know that they use implants which they can implant through invisible means."

Yes but generally something like this involves some type of actual ET contact.

"We are merely host to alien beings who use us for their own agendas."

This has happened to some people and some have consented to it.

“Our bodies are also the result of sound resonating energy into form and if our minds are powerful enough to change the sound range of the body, it moves into another form or disappears from this dimension, altogether. This is what is called shape-shifting.” This came from the following web page angelfire.com/ut/branton/posers4.html."

Many of us are aware of this as some ET entities are inter dimensional beings.

"I believe they are trying to steal me over to another dimension or shape-shift me into something else."

You do have free will and can refuse to participate. And you do have the ability to send them packing with your intention.

"These beings are master geneticist who are breeding human hybrids and hubrids which they are slowly integrating into our society. It is the highest form of subterfuge. The alien phenomenon is real. These beings have been the Gods of the bible (ELOHIM, JEHOVAH, JESUS) and all other religious deities. IT HAS ALL BEEN A RUSE!!! "

Some yes, not all.

"There is no God."

Yes, there is a god (source) but it is something much more then the average person is taught.

"They also spurn cult religions, Satanic churches, wiccan covens, secret societies, secret cabals, you name it. They do this through mind control."

Unfortunately this too is true.

"You wouldn’t know they weren’t human if you passed them on the street. They form the secret government’s of the world. Controlled by the illuminati whom are nothing more than puppets for the alien rulers of this planet."

And this too is true.

"These beings work with the most sophisticated technologies. It is beyond human comprehension. They operate with hyper nano tech, particle physics, electromagnetic energy, sound, light, worm whole technology, hyper drive vehicles, controlling weather, and so many other advanced methods that it would boggle the mind. They control this planet. They control our security agencies. They perform mass mind control through the media (sublimely). MONTAUK, MK ULTRA, BLACK BUDGET, PSY OPPS, MJ 12, you name it. They’ve had a hand in it. "

Sad and also true.

"Now they want to present themselves as Ashtar of the Galactic Federation, Pleiadians, Sirians, the Arcturians, Andromedans, Christed beings, Michael the Archangel, Commander Hatonn, Christed beings, and Metetron, said to be the highest Archangel, and a host of other characters. Not to mention the beings behind all of the contact scenarios in the 50’s."

I recall reading in one report that there are over 147 different type of off-worlders who visit and/or live on earth. Some use it as a way station traveling to other planets. Others use it for earths resources. Some use it as a vacation center. They tend to have different and conflicting agendas when it comes to earth and it's inhabitants. Just depends on which group one ends up interfacing with. Earth has become a planet of great interest ever since the atomic bomb which impacted other dimensions where other off-world entities live. They have a great interest in our planet and what goes on here as it also impacts them. So of course ET intervention (along with interference depending on which ET species is involved) has been ongoing for years.

"Many people who channel messages from these beings are finding that their messages are faulty or just plain lies. They are beginning to question the source of these messages."

Anyone who have been around the block a few times knows that channeling can be deceptive and not worth the time to listen too as it can easily lead to self-deception and self-delusion.

In addition if one lives close to power lines or are in an area where there is a high level of EMF that too can create problems. For blocking out negative energy from other dimensions orgon devices tend to work.

Since we live in a rural area in the middle of the ocean we incurred a negative bleed through from another dimension. Subsequently we placed orgon devices at each corner of the bed and next to our electronics. We've had no problems since.

https://www.natures-energies.com/health/schumann-generators-and-orgone-energy-devices

"More than that, it’s a system of aliens who, believe it or not, have been cloning themselves in human form."

I actually met and spoke with a contactee who interfaced with the ET clones. It was an interesting conversation and the closes tend to be sociopathic. Not good for humanity. We have an interview from Stephano Braccia in one of the threads of our forum. You may wish to listen to it.

http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t109-w56-ctr-clones-contactee-stefano-breccia-passed-3-1-12?highlight=stefano+Breccia

http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t3439-the-friendship-case#59301

"The Greys are merely roboids that these infernal beings use as a vehicle to get around in 3-D."

Some, not all. Depends on which type of Grey. Tall Grey are inter dimensional beings.. the little critters are biological robots produced by the military in England.

"They also fly around in helicopters and airplanes. They are constantly circling my home in either of these aircraft dropping demons inside to possess me. I know it sounds crazy but it is true."

Had this happen once when ETs contacted me. The black helicopter showed up the next day. Scary but one can send these creatures packing and end contact. Generally something like black helicopters occurs when someone has been contacted by ETs, so it's not unusual. Do you think you may be an abductee? They're not doing abductions as much as they did in the past when they were building up their alien/human hybrid program.

"The truth is, they are us and we are them. Most all human souls hail from some star system or dimension controlled by these beings."

Not everyone as there are souls who heard the call and are here for the first time to help earth in this transition into the 5th dimension and assist in raising the vibrational frequency of the planet.

"They are merely beings who have control over very powerful technology. Perhaps reptilian or insectoid. Their souls are plasma just like ours. They have merely blended with machines and have become like cold blooded robots. They continually recycle our souls and maintain complete mastery over our lives from cradle to grave and back to cradle. They use artificial intelligence and modified human consciousness (Grey/reptilian) to do most of the dirty work when they possess a human being. They monitor all of the horrible things these monsters do to you. They lie, they deceive, make false promises, lead you down false paths."

Yes, this can happen yet humans still have free will. It's no secret that some entities feed off the negative emotions humans generate. Basically they're like leeches sucking up the spiritual energy humans give off. If one doesn't wish to feed the beast set fear, anger, hate, lust and envy aside. For example, Buddhist monks create a very different type of energetic field so we know it's possible not to get caught up in negative patterns.

"I believe our world is under great threat from these beings as David Jacobs points out in his book “THE THREAT.” Particularly hear in the United States."

I have David Jacobs book and have read it. It's clear the hypnosis work he did on "abductees" focuses on the Greys.. what he didn't know is how the secret government military does follow-up abductions to find out what the abductees know. Some abductees seem to suffer from the Stockholm Syndrome identifying with the abuser. There are a few names of individuals who've written books about their experiences - all quite interesting. Again, I thought Jacobs work had more to do with a future earth timeline, not one any of us will experience as timelines can run side by side so decided not to give this energy.  There is a distinct different between contactees who have total recall of their ET experiences and abductees who memories are blocked.

"We should demand that our government stop dicking us around and tell us the truth."

Vote for Andrew Bassiago as President as he is for full disclosure and was part of the time-travel program years back.

"You may find that many of these people, meaning the civil servants and people in appointed positions, are not what they appear to be. The television series “DARK SKIES” dealt with this topic."

Of course they do have to inform the GP about some of their nefarious activities via Hollywood. This has been going on for years and isn't new info.

"Please note that I am of sound mind and intelligence. I’m writing this because I don’t think I have much more time."

It seems you could use some help from someone who is familiar with something like you're undergoing. I doubt any of us are into channeling any of these beings... not part of what and who we are about. Please keep in mind that you have free will and choice. And there are good therapists whose area of expertise is with contactees.

Paola Harris is in contact with some of these therapists. You may want to check out her website. You can email her and ask her if she knows of someone in your area.

http://starworksusa.com/

Good luck.

Carol wrote: On The GoldFish Report No.41, The Ambassador welcomes UK Counselor Simon Parkes to discuss major world changes that humanity faces in the near future. Simon provides an update on the events in Paris and at CERN and how they are connected. Both the Ambassador and Simon encourages humanity to wake up and take your destiny in YOUR OWN hands and to not think someone or something will save us. HUMANITY MUST SAVE ITSELF! To learn more about Simon and his work please visit http://simonparkes.wix.com/home. To follow the topics we present for discussion and analysis on The GoldFish Report, please follow us on facebook at https://www.facebook.com/thegoldfishr... and at https://www.thegoldfishreportcom, https://www.cbcglobaleducation.com, and https://www.globalmissionofpeace.com.

B.B.Baghor wrote:

enemyofNWO wrote: He suggests to stay detached from what is going on , but on the other side he says that its is up us to change ourself . We have to help ourselves  because nobody will intervene for us  . One way to be pro active is doing what the Chinese government is supposedly doing ..... the government ordered the spies network to wage war on the Khazarian Mafia . Against criminals that use terror to make the population of the world fearful , the Chinese attitude is correct if what is reported is true . If more people engages in the extermination of the Khazarian families , there would be less wars .

My wife and I are doing enough to weaken the state , we are monitored an followed 24/7  and it has been going on for decades and this is just for having sent a few letters of complaint to A Federal Minister , a State PM , and a few judicial bodies . If other people did the same we would bankrupt the state . I feel that the Chinese government attitude is correct . Fight fire with fire ..... The Khazarians target even the families of their enemies , in fact , my relatives have been all contacted and they no longer talk to me ...... in conclusion the Chinese spies should also target the entire Khazarian families to terrorize and destroy them . That would be a giant leap forward for mankind . Take what  Benjamin say with a grain of salt . It could just be disinfo. http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2016/01/benjamin-fulford-jan-4-2016-a-concerted-push-is-under-way-to-end-khazarian-mafia-rule-this-year-3271910.html

To this part of your post "He suggests to stay detached from what is going on, but on the other side he says that its is up us to change ourself" I like to share my perspective of it with you, enemyofNWO. This detachment, where Simon refers to, as I perceive it, is related to "not buying into the drama". And to me it looks like you buy into it a great deal, by requesting to "fight fire with fire". By doing so, how do you expect to change yourself? Think for a moment, think about the loop that you've found yourself caught in. You wrap yourself in the veil that disempowers you, thinking you've got the right to decide about the life of others. If you mean what you say with that "giant leap forward for mankind" you choose to ignore that by terrorizing and destroying "them" out there, destroying lives, never was a solution to this day. I believe you KNOW this.

To live is life evolving, by creating more of it, body and soul. Spirit and matter. To me it's in essence the manifestation of love. Both 4 letter words, one letter difference. I'm aware of the fact that you may perceive what I share with you here very different, enemyofNWO. We're possibly not on the same page here. I don't mean to dismiss the effects of traumatic events in your life and those of others around you. It seems they're playing a part in this fierce attitude of yours. I'm not in the least trying to teach you or convince you. It's sharing my perception of you in this post of yours. This is about my experience now, of seeing your pain and loneliness. I wish you wayshowers and fountains to drink from, on your path in 2016.

Carol wrote:Well there is the personal perspective and then there is the political perspective.

B.B., we all have different boats to row. I know for myself becoming more and more detached from drama along with outcomes and allowing what is to unfold is a peaceful path. If we accept that we live within a holographic universe where there is no such thing as linear time.. where all that is experienced is within the present moment, this type of perspective and understanding is powerful. It means we choose for ourself moment-to-moment what we give out attention to.

I know when I check in with the Drudge Report and some other European news websites the focus in their news blogs is on what is utterly dreadful, tragic and even horrific. It is unimaginable to me that this type of terrible behavior is allowed on this planet. Yet, by remaining emotionally detached one is choosing (I choose) not to feed the enemy - those entities that feed off of terror, anger and violence. However, I do experience a deep sadness when viewing that type of news.

The realization of how humanity is controlled, manipulate and abused is also an ongoing tragedy unfolding. We can choose to be victims or rise above and beyond that type of thought process. Yes, one does have to learn how to stand up for oneself and others.. and also there is another stage of maturation that occurs when that particular baton is passed onto someone else willing to take that next step. Perhaps one of the goals is not to carry the emotional baggage around and instead choose to focus on "source." Focusing on source is also is a way to help steam that energy down to the planet and help balance out the scale.

"Then Shall the Sanctuary Be Cleansed..."

burgundia wrote:

Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Submissive to who and/or what?? To start with, this is a non-conformist and radical website. If I'm submissive, why do I stick my dick out each and every day on this godforsaken forum?? If I'm submissive, why do I take positions which no-one else (anywhere) seems to be taking?? If I'm submissive, why am I accused (in this very forum) of ignoring the comments of forum-members?? If I'm submissive, why does everyone seem to hate me?? I've concluded that the Real PTB wish to keep things stirred-up. They do NOT wish for the People of the World to Hold-Hands and Sing Kumbaya. That would be bad for business. I've also concluded that this solar-system is One BIG Business with One BAD@SS CEO (who probably has ruled this solar-system for at least the past 6,000 years). Do I sound submissive?? Could I get a government job?? Could I get a security clearance?? BTW -- I once applied for a Military Industrial Complex Job, where I had to wear a badge. It was sort of cool -- but I didn't get the job. It was submarine-related. If I told you more, you'd know too-much.

Anyway, I think I've uncovered some things which have made various Individuals of Interest quite uneasy and/or upset. I've NEVER signed on the dotted-line -- but one night my television switched-on all by itself, and a VERY creepy Rumplestiltskin (from Once Upon a Time) appeared, saying "All You Have to Do Is Sign On the Dotted-Line!!" Honest. Do I create my very-own little-hell all by myself -- or do I receive "help" from the nether-realms?? Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get me. Just because I consider "crazy-stuff" doesn't mean I'm "crazy". I suspect "THEY" have a VERY unflattering file on me -- going way, way, way back. I just hope that Situation-Ethics carries some weight in Galactic Courts of Law. One More Thing, I've been told that French-Organists spend hours playing every conceivable note-combination regardless of how bad some of these chords sound -- just to exhaust all of the tonal-possibilities -- and to prepare themselves to be the Best Organists in the World. This is sort of what I'm trying to do on this website -- in a conceptual-sense. I am an Esoteric Possibility-Thinker (and mostly ashamed of it). I really wish to disappear without being removed (in the near-future).

Submissive...  Oxy, your general attitude is self-defeating ('Resistance is Futile!') and therefore submissive -- at least that's how it comes across to me.

I also 'stick my dick out' in a manner of speaking on every forum I've ever been on.  But, unlike you, I'm not into self-flagellation.  You are submissive to your own negative self-talk (unless that's all a facade).

Why hasn't RA visited me and struck me down yet?  I've basically told that goof to F-off and leave you alone (whether he's real, imagined, or manifested, I figured that might help).

Maybe you think I'm no threat to anybody, Oxy?  I've been followed around on forums... for good or bad, I get noticed.

Somebody in another forum was told by their companion 'trickster entity' that I was worth checking out.  Go figure!  

Back to that RA character, you're not the only one 'dealing' with him.  Apparently, even David Wilcock deals with him, but I don't think David gets who/what RA is... But, I think you do, Oxy.  As you've reasoned, RA probably isn't somebody you want to hang out with at Star Bucks.

This is where the 'submissive' thing comes into play.  I think RA pesters you because you think you are powerless against him.  You are scared of him.  You've essentially submitted to him.  He's made quite the impression on you with the whole thunderous, "I AM RA!", being a so-called ancient Egyptian 'deity' and all.

As for the PTB and their little game (on Earth and possibly beyond)... We do have a choice as to whether or not we want to play with them.

Remember, they can't take your soul unless you freely give it (or sell it) to them.
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orthodoxymoron wrote:Pris, Thank-you for putting in a good-word for me!! I honestly do a lot of "script-writing" on this forum (even though I don't get paid to do so). As for RA (or whoever he was) I was pretty-much neutral. I kept right on posting (using some of what I learned from RA). I didn't sign a "non-disclosure agreement". I asked the Ancient Egyptian Deity about confidentiality -- and they said it would be better for them if I didn't say much about them. In fact, there is a line in the movie State of Play where Ben Affleck tells Russell Crowe "You Can't Connect Anything Back to Me!!" The AED told me those exact same words. I imposed my own code of ethics and disclosure upon myself. I started to open-up after RA broke-off contact with me (and especially after months and years passed without contact with the AED in their "Dogma" form). I suspect continued contact in other forms -- but I don't want to talk about it. Once, the AED was having an obviously difficult phone-conversation, and I was laughing at him!! I once jokingly threatened to bring my Bible, and start shouting at RA (which didn't seem to amuse him)!! I was honestly a "Chad Decker" kind of guy during that several-month encounter. I've suspected a Sherry Shriner, Dana Horochowski, and TREEE (among others) connection with RA!! TREEE = GROOT??!! I AM GROOT = I AM RA = I AM TREEE??!! RA had a tattoo in the exact same location as TREEE!! When I pointed this out to the AED, he said "You've got me all figured-out, don't you??" TREEE once sent me the email addresses of approximately 50 top NASA personnel. I didn't use the list, and I no longer have it. Honest.

abraxasinas = Balem Abrasax = RA = Anubis = Anchor?? I could go on and on and on!! Honestly!! I think I know too-much, but I'm mostly pretty discrete. You'd have to be a dedicated student of my threads to really connect the dots (which probably means that there's a couple of NSA interns in the nuthouse because of me)!! My modeling is the product of lifelong research and reflection -- and NOT possession!! The harassment HINDERS ME (rather than ENABLING ME)!! If I ever get my act together, I will be a HUGE Threat (if I wished to be), but I have pledged to mostly just keep doing what I'm doing (with No Surprises). I create my own ongoing science-fiction adventure within my threads. Some of it is admittedly self-aggrandizing -- and some of it is self-defeating -- which is really two-sides of the same coin). I honestly treat this madness as an imagined script-writing job -- so don't take some of my harsh responses too seriously. I don't lie -- but I do grandstand a bit!! One more thing. What is the relationship (if any) between Sherry Shriner and David Koresh?? Why were both fixated upon the Book of Revelation (rather than 1 Chronicles to Malachi)?? I have my theories, but I don't want to talk about it.

"Everyone Thinks I'm a Dick-Head!!"
"Ergo, I Go Incognito!!"

Carol wrote:

THE EVENT
http://prepareforchange.net/the-event/

The “Event” is the moment of the “Compression Breakthrough” on earth.

The date of this Event can not be predicted. There are many groups involved worldwide, and many informations have to remain secret for now to guarantee the safety of the operations. All we can say, is that we are getting close. This is why this information and support networks is being put in place so that the population can be prepared.

It is the End of a Long Era of Captivity:

Earth and the inhabitants have been in 25,000 years of imprisonment and quarantine (black hole). We have been controlled and manipulated by the dark side – or as we call them, The Cabal. We are now to exit the black hole after 25,000 years of prison. Our planet is the last one in the galaxy to be liberated. This exit is the EVENT HORIZON, or THE EVENT. THE EVENT will be a moment of breakthrough for the planet which will be physical and non physical.

On the non physical plane: there will be a “big wave or flash of Divine energy and light coming from the Galactic Central sun going towards the surface of the planet”. (The galactic central sun is an object in the Sagittarius constellation.) The energy from the Central Sun will stimulate a flash or special kind of light from the Sun that permeates the earth and humanity, raising the frequencies of all living entities on the planet.

It will calm humanity in the light of love energy and end duality. It’s a magnificent energy not seen or felt before on earth. Everyone on earth will feel and know something has happened. It will be a surprise as to when it will happen, even for us. It’s never happened before. It will not be a major shock event, it will be a positive event.

On the physical plane there will be:

° The arrest of the Cabal (already started).
° The re-set of the Financial Systems.
° Disclosure – the release of ET information.
° The beginning of a new, fair financial system with prosperity funds for all humanity.
° NEW Government/Political system, Education system, Health care system, etc.
° Awakening of humanity slowly and gradually to the existence of positive non-terrestrial races and our galactic connections.
° Introduction of new advanced technologies.
° The release of spiritual growth and healing for every human being on the planet.

There is much, much more to look forward to.

I hope that we all agree that there are certain factions that support the light and support the liberation that exists inside of the solar system.
There are some factions that support the light and the liberation of the planet that are existing below the surface. They’re progressing towards the surface of the planet because the surface of the planet is the main battleground is the main focus of all this situation that is not just limited to the planet Earth. When this breakthrough happens, this is what we term the Event.

The Event is actually many things at the same moment. It is when the light forces take over the mass media and release intel about ET involvement, about the crimes of the Cabal, about the advanced technologies, so FULL disclosure. This is part of it.

The other part of it is the mass arrest of the Cabal. (hmm?)

The other part of it is Financial re-set that the Eastern alliance has been preparing for quite a long time.

And of course we have been gradually going towards the first contact which is an actual official contact between the earth civilization and other positive ET races that exist throughout the galaxy. And the Event is a trigger point which begins that process.

That’s the short overview of what the Event is. And of course we have the pulse from the galactic central sun. The galactic central sun is a living entity and it times the pulse of energy according to our global awareness and the level of that awareness and the level of the awakening. And when we have this compression breakthrough the level of awakening is high enough for humanity to receive that pulse of increased energy from the galactic center. (Source)

What Can You Do “Before the EVENT”:

We are about to enjoy both a non-violent liberation of the planet along with a bright and beautiful future for ALL of Since we do not know the exact day, month, or year of the event (it will be soon), it would be wise to follow a few simple rules of precaution:

° Keep an extra 2 weeks of food on hand starting now.
° Make sure you and your loved ones have an up to date supply of any medicines that might be required.
° Keep extra cash hidden away at your home.
° Gas up your vehicle when the tank is 1/2 empty.
° Stay in touch with this website for updates.
° Educate yourself, friends and family members.
° Join one of the 6 task force areas – on this web-site and assist in the liberation of our beautiful planet.
° Join the Weekly Event Meditation.
° See Link: Weekly Event Meditation for details.
° It’s time to say no. It’s time to say stop, no more.

What to expect Financially “AFTER The EVENT”:

Humanity will be entering a golden age, ecosystems will be healed, everybody will have their basic needs covered and the freedom to truly create and travel freely. This will open the way for many more steps in our evolution, beyond our present understanding.

We have put a structure in place for people to meet each other locally and create local groups who can share information, start community solidarity initiatives such as local gardens, providing the people in need with basic necessities by connecting all the various groups and networks of our society to work together to make sure everybody is taken care of.

orthodoxymoron wrote:Carol, this is interesting, yet I continue to treat this sort of thing as Science-Fiction. Verification or Nullification seems to be nearly impossible. While it might be comparing apples with oranges (in this case), I keep referring to the series 'The Event', which seems to be both troubling and therapeutic (to me anyway). I think I'll watch it one more time.

https://www.amazon.com/Event-Complete-Jason-Ritter/dp/B0051GOB2G/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1507827215&sr=8-2&keywords=the+event+dvd

Vidya Moksha wrote:

do we get free ice cream and little fluffy bunny rabbits too?

Carol wrote:I remember that TV series Oxy when it first came out and thought the ending weak. However, the first I heard of the event was with Astral Travel and the researchers from the Horizon Project who predicted this was suppose to occur in 2012. NADA, nothing and still waiting. Which is why I don't put too much stock in it regardless of the hype from others who are convinced it will be soon. I think we'll see Nibiru first and then the EVENT may end up being a pole shift in which case it's nothing to worry about either given the disastrous earth changing consequences from such an occurrence. I don't know about ice cream and bunny rabbits - however, ice cream is good with or without an EVENT.

orthodoxymoron wrote:Carol, I am disappointed with 90% of the content in 90% of the science-fiction movies and series, yet the remaining 10% often seems crucial to advancing my limited understanding of the way things might be. A few months ago, I watched a deleted-scene from 'The Event' near the end, and I was surprised to notice that it was 'filmed' where I used to ride my minibike as a child. The scene involved Thomas and his girlfriend (Isabel). In my teens there was an attractive girl who seemed to like me, yet my religious-programming prevented me from getting involved with her. This girl looked a lot like Thomas's girlfriend. I've noticed a lot of seeming coincidences of this sort in a lot of contexts, yet there's probably nothing to any of it. It's probably pure unmitigated poppycock. Still, it keeps me awake at night as I sink deeper and deeper into the rabbit-hole and benign-insanity. I'll continue to model that which I'm not, just to create an alternative approach to life, the universe, and everything!! Incidentally, what is 'modeling' usually associated with?? SUPERCOMPUTERS!! Do you notice a developing and disturbing theme in my posts?? This stuff scares the hell out of me!! I have no idea where this will end-up, but I'm extremely apprehensive!!

NANUXII wrote:

"This Guy Is a Real GLASS-HOLE!!"

Carol wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrKs_vduiKU&feature=youtu.be
It's Official: This Is Straight out of Orwell's 1984…

PS - We have a computer program that automatically thumbs down each video we submit the moment we upload it. Probably immediately flags the content as well for the memory hole virtual holding pen. Nice, right? Happens every single time... No person could be sitting there, poised to press thumbs down the moment the video goes up at random times throughout the day and night... It's robotic auto-censorship. We need a better site. As they keep cracking down on free speech, this place is about to become a graveyard of apolitical YT "stars" and cat videos…?

While you may think of all the links returned to you in a Google search as "information choices," Google thinks of them as "bugs" that need to be eradicated from their system. These new policies are the extermination squad. Now the search engine giant will be delisting and censoring content that doesn't follow "well-established" scientific, medical, or historical "facts". Remember 1984? There was a huge difference between "truth" — what actually is — and "facts" — what a consensus has been led to believe.

*EDIT**
Here's the document: https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/www.google.com/en//insidesearch/howsearchworks/assets/searchqualityevaluatorguidelines.pdf

Just a few more examples:
Pg. 18 discusses what Google refers to as "Expertise, Authoritativeness, and Trustworthiness (EAT)" on what constitutes "expertise" on a topic, then links to the BBC and USA Today as "high quality news sources".

Then it says, "High quality information pages on scientific topics should represent well-established scientific consensus on issues where such consensus exists." Medical information will be done the same way. Take a guess what the prescribed "consensus" is there…?

Carol wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66FYhJLjUVw
Michael Savage on How Manafort Raid Fits into
Mueller & Comey's Mafia-Prosecution Background

GOP Rep. Demands Mueller Testify In Public Congressional Hearing
Over ‘Conflicts of Interest’ With Hillary Clinton
Joshua Caplan Aug 11th, 2017
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/08/gop-rep-demands-mueller-testify-public-congressional-hearing-conflicts-interest-hillary-clinton/

This week, the world learned Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election has expanded far beyond its initial scope. Reports surfaced of a predawn FBI raid of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort’s home, along with subpoenas issued to various banks.

It’s anyone’s guess why Mueller has gone far beyond the initial purpose of his investigation, but a Texas GOP Congressman wants answers.

Rep. Brian Babin (R-TX) is asking fellow Congressmen to sign his letter demanding Mueller publicly testify in front of Congress to explain his rationale behind the grossly expanded probe.

Babin is chiefly concerned with Mueller’s “conflicts of interest” in connection to Hillary Clinton and the Democrat Party.

Daily Caller reports:

Mueller, who is investigating Russian election interference and possible ties between the Kremlin and the Trump campaign, has come under intense criticism from allies of President Donald Trump for hiring attorneys who have donated to Democratic candidates and for his personal relationship with former FBI Director James Comey. Trump himself has called Mueller’s employment of Democratic donors “ridiculous,” yet he maintains that he has no plans to dismiss the special counsel.

Babin’s letter, which was obtained by TheDC, was sent out to congressmen Thursday and asks for members to cosign a letter he plans to send to House Judiciary chairman Bob Goodlatte and Senate Judiciary chairman Chuck Grassley.

“Every nominee for United States Attorney must be confirmed by the Senate, a process that brings to the forefront any concerns regarding the nominee’s ability to hold their position in a decent and impartial manner. However, as Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller III and his team of lawyers investigate our very own president, we as a nation wait in the dark with very little information about those given this great authority,” Babin wrote in the letter to his fellow representatives.

Babin writes in the letter that there are “serious concerns” about conflicts of interest with regard to members of Mueller’s counsel who donated “generously” to Democrats or even represented Clinton herself.

“In addition, this investigation has the potential to drag on for months, or even years, and cost millions in taxpayer dollars,” Babin added.

Conservative radio host and best-selling author Michael Savage opened Wednesday’s edition of “The Savage Nation” by giving context to the FBI’s reported-today-breathlessly-by-the-media, actually-occurred-weeks-ago raid on former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort’s home. The context Savage provided was in the form of an ominous analysis of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s modus operandi.

That’s a huge story. I mean, come on, this is like the Mafia cases. You don’t know this. I don’t know if many of you know this, but Mueller is a very, very skilled prosecutor. It was Mueller and Comey by the way, mainly Mueller, in his period, where he had the FBI do the biggest Mafia roundups in New York history. And they have a standard operating procedure, which is that they flip people on the bottom and turning them into cooperating witnesses. And once they have a cooperating witness, they bring the next one down and the next one down.

There’s no question in my mind that this raid on Manafort, which came out of the blue, is Mueller trying to flip someone, if he hasn’t already flipped someone. Maybe he got someone underneath Manafort who flipped, and they got Manafort. They get Manafort, and Manafort’s gonna flip. It’s gonna go right up the chain. And they’re gonna get … a couple of them as cooperating witnesses.

Who knows how many have been wired? Do we know how many visitors to Trump Tower were wired at the time? Do we have any idea? This witch hunt goes on and on and on.

Now the big question is this: The big question is: what is the big crime?! What is the crime that was committed by these people around Trump?! We still don’t know what it is, OK? So what’s gonna fall down out of the sky now? This is not the Colombo Family and its bloody internal war. This is not the Gambino Family. What is this? What are they trying to do here?

Maureen Dowd, a darling in particular of leftists who fancy themselves enlightened and witty, was giddy in her most recent Sunday New York Times column about how Mueller would be showing President Trump who’s boss. The 65-year-old “eternal teen” gave Mueller the lewinsky treatment, in a column oh-so-cutely called “Bobby Sticks It to Trump” (BARF ALERT):

A White House adviser told me recently about how scary Mueller’s dream team is, and how Jared Kushner should be nervous. Every time Mueller adds a legal celebrity to his crew, the music gets cued for an “Ocean’s Eleven” or “Dirty Dozen” array of talent. One lawyer helped destroy the New York City mafia; another helped bring down Nixon; another tackled Enron; others are experts on foreign bribery and witness-flipping. As GQ’s Jay Willis wrote, “If these people were coming for you over a parking ticket, you’d be thinking about liquidating your life savings.”

Even before his panting, bodice-ripper of a report came out, Ken Starr was getting dismissed as a partisan Javert. He’s still risible, warning Mueller on CNN Friday that “we do not want investigators and prosecutors out on a fishing expedition.” You know you’re in trouble when Mr. Rod & Reel warns you about going fishing.

Mueller is taken seriously as Mr. Clean Marine, a Republican willing to stand on principle even against other Republicans, as when he and James Comey resisted W. on warrantless wiretapping. Mueller is seen as incorruptible, so his conclusions will most likely be seen as unimpeachable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPMeMtjjMzc
Roger Stone Insights Into Paul Manafort FBI Raid Clinton aides being questioned

Published on Aug 9, 2017
Roger Stone Insights Into Paul Manafort FBI Raid New insights Clinton aides being questioned

"FBI by the direction of Robert Mueller kicked down Paul Manaforts door seeking documents they never requested. The reason for this raid is to distract from the fact prosecutors in the southern district of New York are now questioning close associates of Hillary Clinton and are seeking an interview with Hillary & Bill Clinton regarding the activities of the Clinton Foundation."

Paul Manifort raid might be to distract that justice is about to catch up with the Clinton's.

This raid was part of the effort to frame President Trump which if the Democrats take Congress in 2018 would use as a phone bases for impeachment.

Mr. Stone mentions "the key to President rumps survival is the FISA court declaration at the end of the Obama Administration which indisputable proved that Obama's NSA was illegally surveying up to 30,000 Americans which include Roger Stone, Paul Manifort, Donald Trump... we're he to order prosecutions his tormentors would be defeated"

"Don't Mess With My Check!!"

"Study Eschatology!!"

Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:When I spoke with the late astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell, we spoke of Life After Death -- rather than Walking On the Moon!! Dr. Mitchell spoke of the "Survival of Information" rather than the "Survival of the Soul". What if our "Soul Histories" are stored in a Lunar Grey Supercomputer?? What if our "Souls" are "Communication-Devices" to facilitate the operation of our "Mammalian-Containers"?? Once again, I won't do Seances, Regression-Hypnosis, Channeling, or ANYTHING of the sort (although I have spoken with someone who SEEMED to be some sort of an Ancient Egyptian Deity)!! What's creepy is that they wished for me to call them "Mitchell". What Would Edgar Mitchell Say?? They reminded me of Mr. Edgars in Babylon 5!! They spoke of recent "productive conversations" with the late astronaut Brian O'Leary. I also spoke with Dr. Carol Rosin -- and now I'm posting on a site hosted by "Carol". Sherry Shriner supposedly podcasts from Carrollton, Ohio. She claims to be the Granddaughter of King David. I know of a "David" who lives in a "King's Town" on "Ohio"!! Interesting!!

Yes, interesting, Oxy!  (If it was me, I would have asked Dr. Edgar Mitchell if he really did walk on the moon. )

I don't know about souls being 'communication devices'?... But, they do seem to be the spark of life and consciousness required to operate these 'mammalian containers'.

I'm good with OBEs, but I also do not want anything to do with seances, regression/hypnosis (other than self-hypnosis), and channeling.

This RA... I'm thinking he may be an imposter entity.  You know?  A trickster entity masquerading as someone else perhaps?  For all we know, there is/was an original benevolent RA whose form was hijacked.  

Trickster entities...

The Rakshasa, for example, is a cannibal trickster entity that can apparently manifest in the form of someone you know and trust.  It plucks the person/image from your own mind and becomes that person.  That way it can get close enough to you so it can tear your flesh from your bones...  Anyway, that's part of the 'legend'.  It makes me wonder about 'angels', 'archangels', and 'guides'... and those 'family members' waving to loved ones from inside the white light tunnel...
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