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    Post  earthian Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:16 pm

    Hello dear friends,
    The following e-mail is an invitation to attend a seminar for the Ones that are interested in that subject of getting out of the Game of commercialism. It will be held in the city of Ajax in Ontario, Canada. I am sure Victor will post an audio record of it on the Spiritual Economics website for those of us who have ears to hear but no means of getting to Ajax.

    from Vic

    Sept. 3, 2010….September 26th.......gathering

    Hi All

    I am taking this moment to give you a heads up as for the breakdown of the
    seminar Sept 26th in Ajax.

    I will be sharing two perspectives for two types of people. Those that
    trust implicitly in the divine and those that trust in themselves.

    Options will be laid out for both types of people. Those that want out of
    the box to get to the heaven Christ spoke of (want freedom) and those that
    wish to prosper in the box (want money). This has nothing to do with
    mainstream religion or dogma.

    I will, hopefully, show how this is more about intent than the BC or the name
    or the law or rights under it.

    For those that accept there is only the one and we are all of the one but
    still one, then those must accept that God speaks to us through judges, and
    police, and other such authorities. The question of course is why and the

    For all intents and purposes and I am not qualifying this here but will at
    the seminar because some things are better said face to face, we are all tax
    payers but the question is what kind of taxpayer. One that GIVES 100% or
    one that wants 100% or to keep as much as he can for himself. The latter, as
    I will share, seems is doable but the result (increased purchasing power)
    may not be as good as many may believe. Read Acts 4:32 to 5:4 of the holy

    Nevertheless, the options will be on the table on the 26th and I am not
    out to judge ones choices but rather recognize not everyone is comfortable
    to make the leap of faith and trust implicitly in the divine.

    The word tax does not necessarily mean what many think. In fact money
    itself is the tax and tax is another word for burden, so don't get brain
    locked into what you think I mean here when I say we are all taxpayers.

    Anyhow, I have been fairly quiet sending mail lately. There is a reason for
    that and so I will have much to say and share on the 26th. Again, unless we
    can chat back and forth face to face, too much is subject to mistranslation
    and misinterpretation when we communicate by email only.

    I hope to see many smilin faces and again, the cost to attend is the cost
    of the venue divided by the number that attend. I believe the cost of the
    venue is $200.00 but there may be add-ons like coffee.

    Peace and love is the way but so is trusting in the divine without one iota
    of doubt. It is the doubt that we have not the eyes that see and ears that
    here and that we think we must do something to not only survive but be free.

    As for us having to do something, we do, but perhaps not like you think. If
    you read only letter one of the Letters of Christ from Christsway before
    the 26th it would be good.

    I love you.


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    Post  earthian Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:19 pm

    from Vic,

    Sep 13, 2010....September 26th - update

    Hi All

    A man whose name is named Wally Dove and another whose name is named Ang
    will be speaking on the 26th. Ang will share what he did with Canada
    Revenue Agency (CRA), offered a 100% tax return, and the outcome to date.
    Wally is a former CRA agent and Chartered Accountant and is very familiar
    with CRA and what they can and cannot do.

    It seems to me there are misundertantings and misinterpretations of the
    100% tax return or render unto Caesar.

    Some are concerned how they will get food on the table but I never said CRA
    will take any or all of the money.

    Some do not see the instant benefit of making such an offer, and that
    whether it is accepted by CRA or not matters not.

    Some do not comprehend the significance of having a letter making the offer
    as evidence.

    As mentioned previously the information will be of value to those wanting
    increased purchasing power, more money/disposable income, and those wanting
    to move on spiritually.

    I love you


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    Post  Carol Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:26 pm

    nice Thubs Up

    What is life?
    It is the flash of a firefly in the night, the breath of a buffalo in the wintertime. It is the little shadow which runs across the grass and loses itself in the sunset.

    With deepest respect ~ Aloha & Mahalo, Carol

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    Post  earthian Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:03 pm

    written by Vic

    Based on the evidence available through a cursory review of the Birth Certificate (hereinafter “BC”), there are only two parties to the “BC”. First there is the recipient (hereinafter “Recipient”) of the “BC” and secondly, there is the issuer (hereinafter “Issuer”) of the “BC”.

    The “Recipient”, by virtue of being issued and entrusted with the “BC”, is entitled to use the name appearing thereon in commerce. This is so and needs no further explanation because everyone in Canada is doing so.

    When people open a bank account for example, they must do so in the name appearing on the “BC”. Having attempted to open a bank account in another name, I can assure you, it cannot be done and the banks have been very emphatic about this fact.

    Therefore, it becomes extremely important to know who holds the rights and responsibilities in and for the name appearing on the “BC”.

    Is it the “Recipient” or is it the “Issuer”, the only two parties to the “BC” as far as can be determined from the evidence (the “BC”).

    I am now going to describe something that may seem a little “off the wall” to some of you or it may even sound really bizarre. I tell you this because I want you to make a special effort to actually try to truly understand what I am about to say.

    If you realize the truth of what I am about to say, it will, I guarantee you, change your life. You will never look at this world in the same way again. However, if you do not “get it” then you will simply think I am some sort of nut case, just as many felt about the teachings of Jesus Christ some two thousand years ago.

    So let me begin.

    All of you believe that the system, or this world, or the country, or whatever you may view as appropriate, creates all things that form part of what is commonly referred to as the “economy”.

    However, it may surprise you to learn that human labour, when attached to natural resources, creates everything that has been or ever will be created on this planet.

    For example, what it takes to build a ship, is work (labour) and natural resources such as trees, or maybe steel as applicable, but let’s stick with wood or trees because it is much easier to see the connection with the natural resources given to us by our Creator.

    Oh, you may say that machinery does much of the work in an attempt to prove that what I have said is not true. But you would, in my opinion, be attempting only to prove me wrong instead of trying to truly understand what I am trying to teach you here.

    The machines you see, have been created by attaching human labour to natural resources in the same way it has always been, and always will be, done. Nothing changes. Human labour attached to natural resources creates everything for our use in this human experience.

    Please get that before we move on here!

    I want you to truly understand that it takes only human labour and natural resources to create everything that is created or ever will be created on this planet for our human evolution.

    Looked at another way; tomorrow as everyone who works (attaches human labour to natural resources) awakens and does as he/she has done in the past, the grocery stores will be filled with groceries, the car stores will be filled with cars, the computer stores will be filled with computers, the electricity will be delivered, the gasoline stations will continue to pump gasoline. You get the picture I am certain.

    Now let me ask you a question.

    Where did money become a necessary ingredient in all of what I have described?

    I am certain the first thing you are going to say is that money is necessary to pay for all the things and the production I have described. But why is that?

    I say again, Why is that?

    I realize that we may be somewhat reluctant to admit that we have been fooled into believing that money is necessary and many of us will simply and without thought, argue that it is necessary, simply and only, because we have been programmed to believe it.

    Money cannot create anything, so why is it necessary.

    Well it is only, and I mean ONLY, necessary because we love it!! Added to this is the fact that we have been programmed to believe that we must have it in our society.

    I have a friend who is very intelligent. He has spent hundreds of days in court and writes some of the best court documents I have ever seen.

    Yet he argues and firmly believes that without money, and he does indeed know how the money system works, people would not go to work and would instead, take more than they need and greed and lack of production would abound.

    I disagree because everyone should understand one simple fact, if we do not work, then there will be nothing for us to use and consume. Nothing can be more simple than that.

    So, once we stop demanding money for our labour, everything becomes free to us all and the only people that this negatively affects, are the bankers, who create our money supply out of nothing, loan it to us at interest, thus creating a mathematical impossibility of repaying the borrowed money with interest added which is never created.

    At this point, please allow me to explain very, very briefly, because it would take a whole book to do this subject justice, how the “debt” based monetary system we have works.

    The term “debt” is a dead giveaway and should alert you to the insanity of such a system. Why would money be debt? Should it not simply be money? Even if were painted up pieces of paper, why should they represent debt?

    However, let me explain it as best I can in such a short amount of space I have here.

    All money in Canada today is borrowed from the banks. If money is not borrowed from the banks by government, corporations or the people, then there is no money, at least under the present monetary system.

    That is precisely why our money is referred to as “debt currency”; we have to borrow it from the banks, either local Chartered Banks, or International Banks, such as the Bank of International Settlements (“BIS”), the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund (“IMF”), or others.

    This type of “debt currency” is neither moral nor constitutional. The Constitution Act, 1982 gives the power to create Canada’s money supply to the federal government.

    The banks have that power by default and/or possibly by law and are creating counterfeit currency, aided and abetted by the federal government.

    Let me explain it to you so you will clearly be able to see the unnecessary burdens being placed upon you by such a fraudulent and unconstitutional money system.

    Remember, all things such as borrowing to invest in order to earn a profit, etc., all takes place inside the jar (explained below). The purpose of this example is to simply let you know how the current debt based monetary system works on a country wide basis.

    Take a jar and place 10 pennies inside the jar. Assume that these 10 pennies represent the entire money supply of the country, remembering that all this money is borrowed from the banks and must be repaid at interest.

    It would be difficult enough to simply have to repay our money supply, let alone to repay it at interest.

    To have to do so, creates a mathematical impossibility for the people and as a result, the bankers literally get to own everything the people produce (theft through government laws).

    And if that was not bad enough, the borrower is servant to the lender and the banks, as Creditor, require governments to create the laws that they desire, all of which are to the detriment of the people.

    I say that because if there is a winner, there must be a loser! The banks are winners, and you (we) must be the loser(s).

    Now, assume the first interest payment is due on the borrowed money supply and you remove one penny from the jar (assume the interest rate is 10%) and give it to the bankers.

    Immediately, you should be able to determine that you are now faced with the mathematical impossibility of repaying the 10 pennies of borrowed money with only 9 pennies left.

    This is our money system and it should not be so and is not even permitted under the Constitution Act, 1982.

    If we did not love money we would not ask for it in return for our labour, a gift from our creator just like the natural resources are a gift from our creator.

    And if we did not ask for money in return for our labour, then everything would be free to all of us!

    And now that you hopefully gained a little insight into the evils of the present monetary system, you all ought to be determined to never use it again and since there is no other kind of money available in Canada, we must exchange our labour for it, or work for free.

    It is the only way we can free ourselves from the clutches of the bankers because government will never introduce debt free money into our society for obvious reasons.

    JFK tried to do exactly that and our government officials are well aware of that fact and what happened to JFK as a result.

    Can you understand what I have explained so far?

    The natural resources are free, are they not? God, or whoever you think created it all, did not ask for money, so the natural resources are free. All we have to do is provide our labour free of charge and voila! – everything is free to all of us.

    It then becomes necessary only to go pick up everything we need at the grocery story, the car store, the computer store, etc.

    Does the Bible not say that the love of money is the root of all evil? Well, hopefully you are now getting a glimpse of why that is.

    I do not know of any other way I can describe what I want you to understand here. So, if you still disagree with what I have said, then read it again and see if you can “get it”. Until you do, there is no point in moving on.

    I realize that we cannot simply jump from a society that loves and uses money to a society that does not use money. At least it cannot be done over night.

    The first thing that must happen is that people must awaken to many things beginning with the fact that the burdens of the present system, which is simply a system of commerce overlaying the system I described of attaching human labour to natural resources to create everything, are totally unnecessary and a product of our love of money and nothing else.

    Can we function without money? Of course we can and until we come to that understanding and stop exchanging our labour for money and give our labour freely instead, then we can never expect to freely receive of the abundance that is ours as an inheritance from our heavenly Father (or whomever it is that you believe created all of this), the earth and the fullness thereof.

    How did it happen that we started to believe in and use money?

    Well, I believe I can explain that in a way you can understand it.

    Here is how it happened.

    The use of money has been ongoing for thousands of years. How it began is only conjecture at this point but it certainly was somehow related to the greed, desire for control and theft that exists in those who create the money supply and loan it to the people at interest (usury).

    We would, I presume, agree that Canada is not a country made up of slaves.

    More to the point, we can agree, I presume, that the government of Canada and the various provincial governments, did not, and presently do not, have any intention of making the people in the country slaves, by deception or otherwise, through law.

    But how were we deceived into believing that this present system of commerce, with its foundation of money, is necessary?

    Well, it begins like this.

    The government, via statute, requires the submission of certain facts incident to the birth of every child born in Canada.

    We must agree then, that the only way, absent slavery, that the men and women of Canada can be subject to government statutes (laws), since they are free, is by their informed consent.

    The information (facts) gathered via statute (Vital Statistics Act, R.S.O. 1990, c. V.4, hereinafter, “the Act”) is registered, without the consent or knowledge of the parents. The government may argue that ignorance of the law is no excuse and if the parents had simply read the Vital Statistics Act they would have known that the birth registration document was to be registered.

    Very well, then, I guess that explains it! I disagree, this is deceitful and people should not be expected to be lawyers in order to operate their daily lives.

    Amongst the facts gathered regarding the birth of a child, via a form approved under “the Act”, is the given names of the child, along with the family or clan name, referred to as the Surname.

    The government tells us that the form, a.k.a. the birth registration document (hereinafter “SOB”), is definitive legal proof that the parents gave the child the names appearing thereon. Further, the parents’ signature on that form is proof of their intention.

    Every man and woman in Canada is, at some point, urged to apply for and will be issued a “BC” or extract of the information on the “SOB”, containing amongst other things, the names (given and surname) of the child but referred to on the “BC” simply as Name. This name appearing on the “BC” is known as the legal name. Legal meaning “according to law”.

    At this point the government which has done all of this, including establishing all statutes to effect and administer a system of commerce, based upon the foundation of money, knows that a man or woman does not require a “BC”, and is not required to become part of this system of commerce in order to access his inheritance (the earth and the fullness thereof).

    The government knows, but failed to inform the people of this fact.

    More to the point, the government knows that it is not the intent of the law that people acquire a “BC” and use it as personal identification. If the “BC” is not to be used to identify me, the “Recipient”, then, I would suggest, I cannot be held liable for the legal name appearing thereon.

    However, since there are only two parties to the “BC” then it must be the intent of government that the “Issuer” of the “BC” be held liable for the financial, legal and other obligations of the legal name.

    If a policeman discovers that a highway bridge covering a thousand foot canyon has collapsed and watches as driver after driver passes by hurtling towards that bridge and does not warn them that the bridge is out, then that policeman is criminally liable for the carnage that may ensue.

    Likewise, the government, who did not warn us as they observe the people use the “BC” as personal identification, thereby assuming all the burdens attached to the legal name, burdens that they, the government, intended to bear, then the government is as culpable as the aforementioned policeman.

    The government does not intend that the “BC” be used as personal identification, but again, does not inform the people, as the government of Britain does by including a warning right on the “BC” they issue.

    The legal name is the only thing recognized in law. Men and women are not recognized in law.

    If the law applied to men and women, and not just to the legal name, then the government would be a slave master.

    Under any circumstances, absent consent, the execution of laws (statutes) against free men and women would constitute slavery.

    It is very important at this point to understand that statutes apply to the legal names and not men and women, at least they do not apply to men and women, without their informed consent.

    If, however, the men and women were to use the “BC” and the name appearing thereon, as personal identification, they would essentially change their status from man to legal fiction.

    As one who is acting as a legal fiction as created by government then government has control since it, the legal fiction, is their very own creation.

    In that case, the government would be the master and the man would be servant since he is playing the part of a legal fiction, the name on the “BC”. Then, all government laws would apply to the servant (subject/slave).

    Remember what Shakespeare said about the world being a stage and we just actors upon it?

    Thus we become slaves or citizens to whom the government laws apply including the use of money and buying and selling a commercial activity that is absolutely unnecessary.

    You will understand this if you understand that the only thing required to create everything that is created and delivered to the Storehouses (grocery stores, computer stores, etc.) so there will be plenty for everyone, is to attach human labour to the abundance of natural resources available on this planet.

    At this point it is imperative to understand that, although government did not write into law, the compulsion that man should use the “BC” as personal identification, thus subjecting himself to government laws, effectively making himself a slave, it did not discourage it, and in fact, encouraged it.

    As one example, government and its agents, police in particular, enforce the highway traffic act and force man to use the “BC” to obtain a Driver’s License, without which, if stopped while traveling without one in an automobile, a man will be treated as a criminal.

    Therefore, instead of recognizing man’s right to travel without government issued Driver’s License and such, the government is actually forcing the subjugation of the people in Canada (i.e. the people living on the land recognized in law as the geographical area of Canada) to the government and its laws by forcing the use of the “BC” as personal identification.

    Remember there is no law that requires that the “BC” be used as personal identification to identify the recipient thereof and for any government agent to do so, is to do something without support of law, essentially taking the law into their own hands.

    At this point, understanding the foregoing, one would expect that if man comes to a realization of who he really is, man and not a legal fiction (the name on the “BC”) and informs government of same, then there should be zero resistance from government to the exit of that man from the system of commerce.

    Participation in this system of commerce brings with it myriad burdens resulting from the requirement to exchange ones labour for money, the vast majority of which goes to government in the form of taxation, licenses and fees, etc., in order to purchase what is already his by inheritance – the earth and the fullness (including production) thereof.

    However, that is not the case. We are meeting all kinds of resistance.

    There are only two reasons that come to mind for this. First, is ignorance. Second, the government (agents) are intent upon continuing its master/servant relationship with the people of Canada.

    The first reason is the most likely explanation because the second results in slavery.

    I believe that when government set up the system of commerce, it never intended that people should use the “BC” as personal identification and thus enslave themselves, but it intended instead, that it, government, should bear all the burdens of the legal name which result from its use in commerce, even though used by the “Recipient”.

    I believe that government may be God’s Trustee on earth. Everything that exists and is created by man is legally owned by government either directly (such as Crown land for example) or indirectly by registration in a name (legal name) that government holds the legal rights and liabilities in.

    Man simply has the use of the things that he needs and that is perfectly O.K. by me. I cannot own it anyway, since all things are owned by God.

    It is only in law, or the system of commerce, that government owns all things. In other words, there is real ownership (by God) and fictional ownership (by government, in law)

    If man did indeed use the “BC” to enslave himself to government (come under the tutelage of the governing authorities), then it would simply fulfill the prophecy of the Bible contained at Galatians 4:1-11.

    Until man realizes that he is indeed God (imbued with the spirit of love, which is God, pursuant to the Bible) and becomes love, government may be reluctant to allow man to exit the system and become free.

    One reason could be that until man is prepared to love his fellow man as himself, he is likely as not, to kill his neighbour.

    If this is not the case and if government does not let the people go when they wish to go, then the government is practicing SLAVERY!!!!

    The key here is to recognize who has the rights and responsibilities for the name on the “BC”. If we cannot agree that it is the “Issuer” then we must have the courts declare who has the legal rights and responsibilities for the legal name.

    Once that determination is made, we will know once and for all who bears the responsibility for the financial, legal and other obligations of the legal name and I am suggesting it is the “Issuer” of the “BC”, the government.

    Then, living as man, we can finally freely access our inheritance, the earth and the fullness thereof.

    Maybe you do not realize the significance of what I have been saying here.

    If the government, as is the intent of the law it would appear, is responsible for the financial, legal and other obligations of the legal name, then the law does not apply to man.

    We will not be required to have a Driver’s License, we will not have to pay for things we need and want and will not have to involve ourselves in the commercial activity of buying and selling.

    What this means is that the system of commerce will effectively be removed from our lives and we will have free access to our inheritance, the way God intended.

    In fact, the Bible in Revelations 18:4 urges us to come out of her (I believe “her” refers to the system of commerce and if one reads that entire Chapter, that fact will become obvious) lest we share in her iniquities.

    However, just remember this, we cannot get there until we become responsible and realize that just because man’s law does not apply to us, it does not mean we can harm our neighbour. On the contrary, we are to love our neighbour as ourselves and bringing harm to someone we love is inconceivable and repugnant.

    Additionally, we must understand that if we do not work and create things, there will not be any things available to any of us.

    The thing that will change is that we will, eventually, be labouring at things we all love to do. This will create better products and a happier and healthier people.

    But this one thing I know, I do not hold the rights in the “BC” or the legal name appearing thereon. Therefore, I cannot have the liabilities either.

    Having said that, I am reminded that I keep telling everyone I KNOW nothing, because it is true. I have knowledge and beliefs, but I KNOW nothing.

    What I really mean is that I believe strongly that I do not hold the legal rights because the government has stated in writing that the government holds the legal title in all birth certificates. If they hold the legal title then they also have the obligations according to law.

    But as a friend pointed out to me, I will only know the truth of that when a court rules that it is so, and we are on our way to court as I write this.

    If you have not gotten the gist of this treatise yet, then let me tell you plainly that the contents are speaking to freedom. There is nothing more precious to man than freedom. Men and women have died by the millions throughout human history for just this very thing – FREEDOM!

    Some may have died in vain at the behest of greedy bankers and politicians, but in their minds, they were fighting for Freedom.

    Let me conclude by making this abundantly clear, I do not care about the past, I only care about the present and all I want is PEACE!

    How about you?

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    Post  Carol Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:18 am

    Interesting. I was a member of Freedom Club a number of years back and lost $5000 through their scam. They have bilked thousands of people.

    However if you really want to prepare take a look at this.

    "These days the apocalypse is a profitable business. There's no shortage of companies marketing to our worst fears -- whether they be a nuclear doomsday, a massive food shortage or even a return to the gold standard. In fact, as Zero Hedge noted today, Costco now sells a product called THRIVE, which includes full-year's supply of canned food, or 5,011 servings, if you're counting.

    For the bargain shopper planing for the end of the world, we've compiled some of the more prominent products and companies that are catering to your apocalyptic needs.

    This company was featured on ABC Nightline. They are establishing emergency shelters in remote locations. The Vivos Group shelters are very plush and the company claims that they are aiming for accommodations similar to that of a cruise ship.

    The Vivos Group

    The shelters are advertised as effective in case of nuclear war, bio war, terrorism, anarchy, electromagnetic pulses, solar flares, polar shifts, killer comets, global tsunamis and super volcanoes. The Vivos shelters also offer protection if, for example, Planet X-Nibiru collides into our solar system, which, Vivios notes, is predicted by Sumerian prophecy.

    Current prices are $50,000 per adult and $25,000 per child under 16. Household pets are free.


    This company, another Glenn Beck advertiser, sells gourmet food for the apocalypse. They sell "food insurance" emergency backpacks and kits filled with clean water and non-perishable food.

    Their website asks, "Why not make sure you and your loved ones are prepared with enough food and water to survive the ever-increasing number of disasters in the world?" A two-week survival kit costs $199.99.

    Survival Seed Bank

    Many companies are taking advantage of an uncertain economic future to sell "survival seeds," seeds that are sold in indestructible containers that can be buried to avoid confiscation.

    The most prominent of these companies is Survival Seed Bank, which has advertised on Glenn Beck. "In an economic meltdown, non-hybrid seeds could become more valuable than gold," their ad says.

    The cost of survival seeds: $149

    THRIVE – A 5,011-Serving Food Stockpile

    Emergency preparedness has also entered the mainstream. Costco is selling THRIVE, a 5,011-serving stockpile of food. For the temperate, it will last a full year. (Hat tip to Zero Hedge.)

    At $799.99, that's a real bargain. And, of course, it offers more than just food. From the website: "this package will give you variety, nutrition, and peace of mind."

    Front Sight Training

    Promising a free gun to those who sign up for their program, Front Sight Training wants to prepare for "what's coming". (Check out this MSNBC report from 2005.)

    The company's website details how a millionaire patriot founded this firearms training program. According to the website, it trains participants to exceed law enforcement and military standards to protect themselves and America from "all enemies -- foreign and domestic."

    The program costs $1,500 and includes four days of firearms training and one day of conceal/carry certification for 30 states as well as a flashlight, folding knife, double magazine holder, holster and a Springfield XD pistol in a caliber of your choice

    B-64 Shelter - bee hive shelter

    This company constructs emergency shelters that feature a very distinctive honeycomb design. The company lists a variety of reasons to use their shelters, such as home invasion, riots, terrorist attacks, war and various natural disasters.

    They offer shelters in 3 different categories: Category 1 is only suitable for things like riots and global warming, Category 2 can withstand earthquakes and pandemics. Category 3 is their highest level of protection and is advertised as being able to protect against terrorism, nuclear blasts, chemical attacks and gamma radiation.

    Prices run from $150-$400 per square foot.


    Goldline International, a seller of gold and silver coins, is currently under investigation from Congress and Los Angeles County.

    Goldline frequently advertises on conservative radio and television shows. Conservative commentator Glenn Beck has said he was a paid spokesperson for the company. This labeling caused some conflict, since Fox prohibits any on-air talent from serving as a product spokesperson. He is now labeled a radio sponsor of Goldline.

    (Check out this video from MSNBC's Countdown, in which Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY) argues that Goldline charges up to 90 percent markups and deceives investors.)

    Ecolo Blue

    This company advertises on Alex Jones' site Info-Wars. It targets people who are worried about future water shortages as well people concerned with the toxicity of public water supplies. The advertisements tell consumers to declare their water independence with Ecolo Blue's Atmospheric Water Generators. Their high performance atmospheric water generators run from $999 to $1699 and are available in six different colors.

    Their site also mentions that the recent BP oil spill may trigger something similar to an event called the 'Permian Extinction Event' a monumental methane explosion that poisoned the atmosphere and destroyed more than 96 percent of all life on Earth.

    The solution to this? Safe drinking water, made possible by Ecolo's Atmospheric Water Generators.

    [Note: You can get a dehumidifier from Sears for a couple hundred dollars that does almost the same thing. Run the water collected from the air through a Big Berkey water filter and you're good to go.]

    Eternal Earth-Bound Pets

    Some atheists have set up a site advertising their services for the Rapture. Since house-pets might be left behind, these atheists are offering to take money now to take care of pets should the Rapture occur. Unfortunately as of this moment, they are not equipped to take care of large pets such as horses and camels.

    For $110.00, should the Rapture occur within 10 years of payment, they will save one pet per resident. Each additional pet will be saved for an extra $15.00 fee.

    What is life?
    It is the flash of a firefly in the night, the breath of a buffalo in the wintertime. It is the little shadow which runs across the grass and loses itself in the sunset.

    With deepest respect ~ Aloha & Mahalo, Carol

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    Post  earthian Wed Oct 06, 2010 5:56 pm

    Thank You Carrol, very interesting, however, I find it a bit irrelevant to what this guy Vic is talking about :). The reason I posted this is, I thought there might be some people on this forum that are from a mass of a land commonly called canada that would be interested in what this man has to say, which does not mention any doomsdays or apocalipse, and does not require any membership fees ( I personally wouldn't worry about getting scrued on $ by this man). Here are some latters that he composed, based on his deep reaserch, and is suggesting canadians to forward those to the government. No doomsday here, not yet.. Never! Very Happy

    Dear Honourable Minister of Finance.

    The following is a suggestion in response to an article in the Toronto Sun newspapers regarding the governments request for suggestions to improve the banking/financial system. The attachment contains the suggestion in French and English. In addition to the suggestion offered herein is this from the Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce;

    March 24, 1939 at page 394; “Will you tell me why the government with power to create money should give that power away to a private monopoly and then borrow that which parliament can create itself back at interest to the point of national bankruptcy, because, if we cannot finance the things that are necessary it means that this nation cannot meet its current obligations”. “Why should a government with the power to create money borrow that money at interest?”

    Mr Towers, “Now, if parliament wants to change the form of operating the banking system, then certainly that is within the power of parliament”.[Soft Break][Soft Break]We think that the facts and evidence speak for themselves as to why the ship Canada and the people are floundering in debt and will continue to flounder until the ship sinks taking us all with her, unless the rules are changed. It is not our desire to pursue a class action suit but neither is it our desire to see the good ship Canada and the people suffer needlessly. [Soft Break][Soft Break]If you wish to discuss this further my contact particulars follow.[Soft Break][Soft Break]Thank you[Soft Break][Soft Break]Hallow[Soft Break]975A Elgin St. W.[Soft Break]Suite 383[Soft Break]Cobourg, Ontario K9A 5J4

    TO:                  Minister of Finance Canada (By mail and e-mail)

    COPIED TO:   All Members of Parliament (By e-mail only)

    September 23, 2010

    Dear Sir:

    Re:      Pending Class Action lawsuit for breach of duty, et al

    The People v. the federal government/Crown

    We are in the process of investigating and determining the propriety of launching a class-action lawsuit as captioned.  However, we noticed an article in the Toronto Sun wherein the government is soliciting suggestions on how to improve the financial system and thought it prudent to make a suggestion and submit it to,

    We begin this letter with the following quotes from members of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce, meeting in 1939;

    “It is absurd to say that our country can issue $30,000,000 in bonds and not $30,000,000 in currency. Both are promises to pay; but one promise fattens the usurer and the other helps the people”, and;

    “It is the people who constitute the basis of government credit. Why then cannot the people have the benefit of their own gilt-edged credit by receiving non-interest bearing currency, instead of the bankers  receiving the benefit of the people’s credit in interest bearing bonds?”

    “Income taxes pay the interest to the bondholders”.

    Surely you are well aware that the interest payment obligation attached to the creation of money does not exist and of the inevitable consequences of having to pay back more money than was created. 

    We men and women did not come to this world to labour under a monetary system that fattens usurers at our expense, or be held as debtors, or to support absurdities, or to do nothing as our brothers and sisters and country suffer hopelessness because of a monetary system that, as it is, benefits and fattens the usurer (moneychanger/banker).

    The people are the real produces of all wealth in the country and who constitute the basis of all government credit, so why should, do, we not benefit from our own gilt-edged credit by receiving non-interest bearing currency?

    Does the government not have a responsibility to the people, those who empower it and who constitute the basis of government credit, first and foremost?  The Prime Minister must think so when he stated in an article on the Foreign Affairs website, “The first duty of government is to protect its citizens.”

    What is the government going to do about this? Is it the policy of the government, the elected, to allow this absurdity to continue - bleeding the people and business to death (debt) in order to fatten the usurer (bondholders), or is the government going to protect and help the people?

    If we do not hear from you within 10 days we shall proceed with our planned class-action lawsuit.


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