United States AI Solar System (1)

Aquaries1111 wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Aquaries1111 wrote:Oxy wrote:  I'd really like to meet with people who are experts in Solar System Governance -- especially pertaining to International, Interplanetary, and Intergalactic Law. Extensive knowledge of Solar System Security and Unconventional Weapons Systems would be of great value. In case you haven't noticed -- a lot of this thread involves bluffing and role-playing. This is sort of a most-dangerous game. I wonder if there is anyone who has been tasked with studying this thread?? I'm not very bright (in this incarnation anyway) -- but the subjects and concepts I have introduced are quite involved, and very deep. My own thread is WAY over my head. I have no idea whether I'm making things better -- or making things worse. I have no idea if I'm a reincarnational good-guy -- or bad-guy. I really don't.

I'd really like you to meet people (Human and otherwise) who are experts in Solar System Governance -- A mind like yours really does need to be connected with if to reach full creative potential.. No feedback can also mean no growth.. and I do agree with Mall in that this place wouldn't be the same without you, but I know your frustrations.. I have my own.. I'd like to connect with people (human and otherwise) who I can communicate with on other issues of understanding.. I never was one for coming up with systems.. I personally like to knock them all down..  

I asked Frank O'Collins how OBE's fit into the Ucadia system and he led me to Cognitive Law, article 55 which was titled "Remote Viewing".. I didn't find much information there at all and left that article more frustrated than when I arrived.. I don't think anyone has the answers for us.. I realized, unless a person walks a day in our shoes, maybe they'll never really know what is going on with us.. why at times it does get so lonely on this planet.. I consider myself an energetic healer and do much work in the dream states.. Am I purely living in my own imagination? Perhaps.. but it's all real to me nonetheless and when I am faced to perform exorcisms, healings and manifest limbs back onto people who have had them removed (i.e. a left hand), without the knowledge of knowing what the heck I am doing.. just knowing that I can and I do.. makes me ask "myself" questions I cannot pose to others here.. and so I go on day to day, like you Oxy, wondering if the spinning of my mind is creating more chaos or more clarity.. I don't know what I am doing either.. but I still wake up in the morning, brush my teeth, comb my hair and smile once in a while.. and if I feel motivated I'll go to the beach.. Today I'm going to the beach and plan on having a superb day in the Sun and with my Son..

I've been on Frank O'Collins call for the last 3 weeks now and had questions.  He has answered me or directed me in the right direction to every one of my questions.. I think he might be at least one of these people you could have some mental stimulating fun with in finding answers or helping you contemplate more questions.. Personally, I'd rather not contemplate anymore unless I at least get "some answers", "somewhere" from "someone" but then again we wouldn't need answers if we didn't have questions, and where is somewhere? and someone? another ourself? So what is this all about.. ?  Thoughts create energy and where does this energy go? I'm going to stop thinking a little today and lay in the sand, wiggle my toes, find some shells, swim in the water and eat some icecream.. Oh yeh.. It's time to have some jolly fun again.. Happy Day to you Oxy..

magamud wrote:

magamud wrote:

Malletzky wrote:

Oxy, I can only encourage you to stop listening to what other people have to say about you, especially when it comes to "think within certain limits". Do not even think about to think within limits please. Nor should any human being ever limit itself in any particular fragment of their lifes, as we're limitless. It's only their fears and ignorance when some people tell you to think within certain limits. And don't worry about your perceptions: it's only perceptions halt. Nothing more and nothing less. You know that basicly, we all tend to have our own perceptions of what and who we realy are, but when we ask about or hear the perceptions of others towards us, we're surprised to see that actually, these are prety different. I may tell you only this: I was traveling these last 3-4 weeks and spoken to some people (some very dear friends of mine) and you might be surprised (as I was) that there are people "out there" in the real world that realy read and somehow appreciate what you write here. Without you, this place would not be the same. Much respect as allways to you dear freind. Mall...

Aquaries1111 wrote:I never was one for coming up with systems.. I personally like to knock them all down..I asked Frank O'Collins how OBE's fit into the Ucadia system and he led me to Cognitive Law, article 55 which was titled "Remote Viewing".. I didn't find much information there at all and left that article more frustrated than when I arrived.. I don't think anyone has the answers for us.. I realized, unless a person walks a day in our shoes, maybe they'll never really know what is going on with us.. why at times it does get so lonely on this planet.. I consider myself an energetic healer and do much work in the dream states.. Am I purely living in my own imagination? Perhaps.. but it's all real to me nonetheless and when I am faced to perform exorcisms, healings and manifest limbs back onto people who have had them removed (i.e. a left hand), without the knowledge of knowing what the heck I am doing.. just knowing that I can and I do.. makes me ask "myself" questions I cannot pose to others here.. and so I go on day to day, like you Oxy, wondering if the spinning of my mind is creating more chaos or more clarity.. I don't know what I am doing either.. but I still wake up in the morning, brush my teeth, comb my hair and smile once in a while.. and if I feel motivated I'll go to the beach.. Today I'm going to the beach and plan on having a superb day in the Sun and with my Son..

"The Sirians Are Coming!!! The Sirians Are Coming!!!"

Aquaries1111 wrote:Okay Orthodoxymoron!

Enough is enough! What the hell is going on with you! You are like a Hamster on a repetitive wheel bout to fall off! Ground Hog Day! Have you seen that? Seriously I am beginning to wonder if you are in need of some external release in activities! Take a guess! Why are you repeating the past to the present to create a future? Are you? What is the intent of the past quotes? I am seriously worried about who I am even talking to? Have you seen this video clip? Seriously take a looky and a listen.. it may shed some light here for ALL in the Matrix of lies and illusions and filling the brain with garbage! Seriously, I am over your tick tocking of ancient ideas.. They hold no place in my space!

Let's not forget this one from long time ago!

Aquaries1111 wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:A1, what you said about manifesting limbs back onto people who have had them removed REALLY got my attention! This actually occurred?! What were the circumstances?? An exorcism is one thing -- but reattaching limbs is quite another! I understand that miracles occur -- but the how and why allude me. If one can be miraculously healed -- why not everyone?? I prayed for my father's healing (mostly back, neck, and heart) for years -- with no results -- and this left me a bit bitter -- because I kept reading about miracles and an 'All Powerful God' in the Bible. It also seemed as if the Shouting and Strutting Television Faith-Healers got all the results and glory. This was a bit confusing and frustrating for a sincere teenager -- seeking to do God's Will -- with great devotion. I gradually came to the conclusion that I was not liked by Divinity or Humanity -- and actually hated by both when I was open and honest. Is there somewhere in the Universe which will embrace me when I'm open and honest?? I doubt it.

Yes Oxy this actually occurred, in the dream state OBE.. I remember being led to a room and there was a man facing me with his left hand gone.. I remember seeing blood but I was not repulsed, nor judgmental.  There was absolutely no verbal communication between us, nor telepathic. I just knew what I had to do and so I went up to the man and placed his wrist section in between my hands, my right hand on top, his in the middle and my left hand underneath.. There was no touch to his wrist and the next thing that happened - his hand literally grew back.. of course there was intention behind the healing, there always is.  I know this is impossible to do in this 3D reality and yet it all seems so easy to do in those other places.  I really don't think healing is a miracle.. some people need to go through illnesses to appreciate life more. Usually they return healthier if they have the desire to live and the appreciation of life to continue on.. yes I did say healthier, for it is when one falls ill that one comes out the other end usually healthier than ever before. Now why is this? Well each one has their own story to tell and share - if they want to, or not.  I remember going into a deep depression for 6 full months and I was only 22 years old.  I did not fight it, nor did I take any prescriptions.. actually, I truly didn't know any better - maybe sometimes this is the best way.. but I will say, when I came out of that depression I felt totally different, totally new, as if my entire perspective on life had changed.. I could see beauty in everything.

Some people do not want to be healed Oxy.. some check out before they even fall ill because they do not want to go on in this reality and so their decision becomes manifest.. When one understands there is no death, only transition, then the passing of a loved one becomes one "in honor" of their life and "in honor" of their decisions.. there truly are no victims, even though at times past I would have disagreed.. I see NOW more angles.. and less of a victim than before.. Actually now I know I am not a victim.. Being responsible requires one to disrobe all thoughts of victimhood.. It's a big job to be responsible but if we cannot or will not be responsible then who will?  One Planet, Many Worlds.. why I could travel to Texas and visit a friend and wonder why their life is so different? Could it be the space they live in is the space they have created.. after all, we are our environment..

I do not believe in "faith healers" Oxy.. The ones that you see on T.V. are usually fake.. True Healers you will never know about.. and you certainly won't see them on the telly. They work their gift in mysterious ways, always being in the right place at the right time when needed.. and they will never ever charge a penny for their gift.  Everyone has a gift.. not every gift is the same as the neighbors.. Each persons gift is to be respected and never ever compared.. This is why I think every person is important for the other's survival in some way.. We don't realize what the whole loses when a singular one is lost.. or when the singular one doesn't have the support to grow due to lack of community.

Oxy says: Is there somewhere in the Universe which will embrace me when I'm open and honest?? I doubt it.

Aquaries1111 asks: Is there someone you will embrace in the Universe when they are open and honest?
                                 **To embrace or not to embrace**

lawlessline wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Floyd, you do an excellent job of spoiling all the fun -- but where should I go to find the 'truth'? I think I might've asked you this question previously -- but I can't remember.

Floyd wrote:Im not sure fear mongering is fun. But the answers  may well be in inserting cheezie wotsits up your nostrils then telling you friends that you are starting a new fashion.

That was funny, Floyd -- but you didn't answer my question.

First things first Wotsits cause chaffing within the nostril I would suggest Nic Naks easier on the hair follicles and kinder to the skin.

Oxy, Floyd didn't answer because I not sure he knows the answer to that one. I think that starting with yourself would be a good start. What you think and feel is the most important part. The truth will never come in a yes/No answer. But I prefer to find the answer in living my life. You can never go far wrong with that, and there is sooooooooo much BS from New age Jesus wannabes in the states and UK that it is very refreshing from time to time to be in france where they have their heads truely in the sand for everything. Peace bliss of ignorance, thats the french.

But good lock with the truth and come back and tell us what you found.

But in the mean time just be my friend.



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orthodoxymoron wrote:

Floyd wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:I understand Floyd's cynicism and frustration -- and my threads reflect some of this emotion. .

The thing is Oxy im not being cynical. Just rational. Niburu simply is not there period. Game Over

I suggest watching this video by the author mentioned above which helps to take apart Sitchen's poorly researched, erratic and fabricated theories concerning Niburu.

That is in addition to the total absence of any astronomical proof of Niburu.

Its pretty straight forward stuff really.

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/nibiru/nibiru.html

There is Constructive Rationalism and Cynical Rationalism. I tend to lean toward Liberals who know how to get along with Conservatives. Even if 'Nibiru' doesn't exist (and I don't know this to be the case) the solar system could contain thousands of hollowed-out asteroids, planetoids, and moons. This possibility really isn't that far-fetched. I keep getting the feeling that Sirius-Orion-Aldebaran-????? is VERY concerned with the situation in this solar system. I have no proof -- but that doesn't mean that possibilities can't be realities -- and I try to approximate reality.

Aquaries1111 wrote:How much do we really know about the Dogon Tribe, their secrets and the secrets of Sirius?... I would also like to point out that 9etheruniverse youtube channel has some other great videos you might wish to check out..

"Three T!t$?! That's Awesome!! Is This Somehow Related to the 'Third-Eye'?!"
"Perhaps It's a 'T!t for Tat' (the little-guy)!!"

Aquaries1111 wrote:Oxy you are way out of control. Not only have you hijacked my threads here to you but you insist on posting past tense. I seriously wonder why you look to "confuse" a "healthy mind" seriously! Come visit me in Florida! Are you able to talk?

B.B.Baghor wrote:ortho's words: "I keep wondering if this is a Nasty and Violent Universe (but I so hope that it's not)"

I like it that you join other discussions and threads here, ortho. Talking with each other. You seem less "up and away.....from earth" in that USSS, that way. I hope I haven't grown more towards "up and away" creating an illusion, of you being more down to earth. Ahem, I'm just being silly I guess.
Also, as I pointed out in blue in my former post here, I think you deserve not to be alone, surfing the United States of the Solar System. I've never found such a great definition and title before, ortho  

The beauty and value of support and compassion nowadays, to me, is in this condition, one thing we have in common: it's the shared condition that we live in "times they are a changing" now showing up with strong evidence and signs. The intensity of it all, including the virtual world called internet, an instrument also supporting consciousness, by choice, creates such awareness, that it can't be ignored by our senses, without any exception. And in that condition the dawning of our interdependancy shows up, if we step on that path. Surrendering to a phase of great vulnerability

It's not so bad, when we're not alone, surfing the USSS in this way. I do hope you're noticing the Misty companionship around you, here, ortho.

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you B.B. I appreciate what you said. On the other hand -- I think I'm sadly and rudely beginning to understand why the "Secret-Government" is secretive -- and doesn't post their minutes on the internet. Do you really think anyone would be understanding and appreciative?? I tend to doubt it. I've been picking up the pace of my reposting project -- so as to finish in a timely manner -- at which point, I probably really will cease and desist. The experiment is really over -- and I'm honestly just tidying up the loose-ends -- before I go completely incognito. I wish I were kidding. I really do.

Aquaries1111 wrote:Yes Oxy, thanks for the Credo link.. I did follow his work with David Icke as the host as well as Michael Tellinger as host at one point too.. It all got very messy Oxy.. yes it got messy when monies to Credo were involved and accountings of transactions were being demanded upon from Michael Tellinger.. Poor Michael, he would never do such a thing.  After that, I really don't know what happened to Credo.. It seems as if he just disappeared into the "shadows of the night".. It left a very very bad taste in my mouth when Michael Tellinger was being accused of not disbursing monies due to Credo but I will give this link of yours a "looky".. Michael and Kerry are still doing travels and work together.. The English are truly a "fine species".. As far as David Icke, I never could get myself "focused" too much on his messages.. His energetics always seemed to come across as "missing something".. I couldn't put my finger on it.. and I still can't.. so I just gave up.. I will listen to recommendations though Oxy.. yours is the first for me of Icke's work..

Aquaries1111 wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you A1. I have learned a lot from David Icke and Alex Jones -- but I wish to move in a very different direction. My style is completely different. Perhaps I'm just not as smart and brave as they are. I don't know. All I wish to do is mumble and ramble on the internet. I could be a Rabble (Rebel?) Rouser. I really could -- but I don't want to. I'd rather be a VERY low-key questioner and facilitator.

I'd rather be a VERY low-key questioner and facilitator too Oxy.. I'm not one for providing answers... I trust in the synchronicities and hopefully the answer will reveal itself.. I never had my own bible Oxy... I don't know very much about scriptures.. My grandmother took me to her meetings here and there in Edinburgh, Scotland to accompany her... I was 13 years old.. She was a Jehovah's Witness and I understood not a darn thing of anything she read to me... I preferred to be outside.. I found it quite strange that my Grandmother (Nana) became religious at the age of 60 years old.. I don't know if she truly knew what she was getting herself into.. I think maybe she became lonely after having 11 children and thus wanted to belong to an organization.. I preferred the times spent with her on the farm.. and chopping wood into kindles for the fireplace.. making her cups of tea in the morning and rubbing some very strong minty cream on her back... Oh and the rubber hot water bottle she would fill up at night to put in my bed and the Ovaltine night drink for supper.. Oh and let me not forget to tell you of all the long walks we took in the forest and ate fresh ripe rosehips when found.. She taught me where to find "Suckersouries".. A green leaf that grew near cow patties and water.. they were very sour.. but if I saw one today, I would know it was okay to eat.. My Nana taught me much and I miss her very much.. I wonder what she's thinking right now?

WORK HARD ----- PLAY HARD ----- PRAY HARD

magamud wrote:

Imagine dealing with this while traveling throughout the solar system.

Sounds good Oxy.  A voyager golden disc?

I really am attempting to be ecumenical -- in a rather principled manner. Unfortunately, this involves stepping on just about everyone's toes.

I will listen to the Maxwell video to try and get better reference of your thinking Oxy.

Aquaries1111 wrote:Oh Oxy, you give yourself never enough credit for anything.. You have a beautiful mind.. and no I am not just sending you fluffy marshmallows to make you feel good.. You are weaving invisible webs even far beyond your own imagination.. I'm going to the beach again tomorrow.. this time, I was actually "invited".. by my ex-husband.. What changed? Not much except my vibratory field which his sub-conscious is picking up on.. If I can't verbally be nice to him, I surely can be psychically nice to him..

magamud wrote:It sounds like you are at the Crux of things Ortho.  What is the devil and what is god?  Your faith will tell you this...

magamud wrote:Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own. Matthew 6:34

Eartheart wrote: What if this God somehow became Corrupt and Insane?

As this is certainnotonlyforour planet it seems not so bad, more of a creative and farsight-effort on Her/His side, while only concerned observers can judge some acts they cannot comprehend as corrupted insanety... How we had to do insanethings to bridge some lifetimes in the dark ages for instance!!!

Would they remain 'Perfect' and retain Absolute Authority??

Again a implied judgement of underdog observers - if iam in divine unity such questions and speculations are avoided...

What if someone had a 'Better Idea'? Would this be considered Rebellious Heresy if this innovation were condemned by God?

Better implies innovative intelligence from the One applied, using source would be considered obidient, even if you had a reptile Boss watching over your quadrant...

What if we are dealing with Ancient Reptilian Queen (loyal to Reptilian Tradition) v Ancient Reptilian Queen (loyal to Humanity and Responsible-Freedom)?

The ARQ's will alllways be programmed by reverse coding, so there wont be one loyal to Humans & Responsible Freedom! Even if it may be true, that the Orion Mothers signed the "Anchara Peace Treaty", there are their own prophecys of reaching this crowning and closing of their circle of borgism,
and there are certain multilayered purposes in that. (Just remember that many stupid and lower programmed war-borgs couldnt believe or tune to the new (1996-2004) intergalactic peace treaty - and keep to wrack heavoc, same like those around An's warparty, wholeft orion to travel through the montauck timerift so 5000years back to start the sumerian deception and play the "Weown you"-game, importing 20million killersouls onto Gea and ursurping all Looverkingdoms and blood/timelines... But we will extract this bubble and unmake this false godless creation with the help of Allthatis...

What the hell happened??? Why are we ruining this beautiful world??? How many people do we need???
20 billion??? 40 billion??? Plus, we now have the technology to exterminate everyone!!! Aren't We Clever!!!

orthodoxymoron wrote:

magamud wrote:Ortho,
God is everywhere and part of his plan is to collapse the universe upon his workings in Eden.  This is the local solar systems destiny and anyone or anything working with our sphere will be subject to this.  Therefore everything flows from this wisdom, to all evil and all good. This is the foundations of consciousness. So what will concentrating on the Drama of another species bring you? Gods gift to us during this Grand plan is to only acknowledge his presence and ask for his help...

How do you know this?? Have you Physically Observed God?? Have you spoken with God -- Face to Face?? You use mysterious language -- which supports what I previously said regarding obscurity and mystery. If we are the Children of Another Species -- or the Children of the Gods -- this might be of some importance to us -- regarding who we are -- where we came from -- and where we might be going. This might even be the Key to Understanding the Holy Bible. Who knows??

magamud wrote:

-"His Mother is in charge of operations."

The hidden father is the creator.  His love manifests with his son in flesh and blood.  This is a straight line.  This is what Jesus is talking about that you have to go through him.
You must put your faith into this and use this as prior.  Everything comes from this architecture..

is that so much of it is so obscure and mysterious -

I don't see this at all.  I see the evidence around everywhere.  Consider this saying.

113. His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?"
"It will not come by watching for it. It will not be said, 'Look, here!' or 'Look, there!' Rather, the Father's kingdom is spread out upon the earth, and people don't see it."

For His mercy endures forever.

As it would since everything flows from God...:)  

magamud wrote:Ortho the evidence is everywhere, but man cannot see it.  This is because it comes in the matter of portends or in other words a completely different paradigm.
The universe has slipped through mans perception because man has chosen to worship other gods.  Our science and senses have been fooled.
Our narcissism is so great we have created our own self creating matrix to separate us from the Truth.

I have physically observed God but not in its fullness, I have spoken to god but not in its fullness.  This mystery you speak of is the process of Faith and following his whispers.  His whispers become words and his portends become physicalized.  

I am not being vague or obscure on purpose, I am trying to connect as best as I can...

orthodoxymoron wrote:

B.B.Baghor wrote: ortho's words: "I wish to move-on to Clean Sheet of Stone Solutions -- but History must be properly handled -- so as to provide a Sustainable Foundation for New Theologies and Philosophies. For me -- studying theology is sort of like the guy who hits himself over the head with a hammer -- because it feels so good when he quits!!"

Some parts of your posts, like the last sentence in this one above, could well fit in the Humour thread, ortho, You keep hitting the nail on its head, it seems, in your view on studying theology and other statements you make about how you manage and maintain your thread. If I've understood your explanations in your thread, ortho, your intention is to invite members and visitors here and to discuss its content and find understanding and clarity due to that.

Thank-you B.B. All of this involves a rarely achieved understanding of the world, solar system, and universe -- which I suspect "Top-People" understand very clearly. This is NOT a touchy-feely support-group. This is a royal-model walk on the wild-side!! It involves a lot of experience and experiences -- along with material provided by others. What people (and other than people) do with this is up to them.

I keep coming back at my trying to understand, what it is that you're looking for in your thread. I'm having a go at it and move forward, by groping and trying, no hunt for an answer as if the end of this discussion should be near. The question mark may remain in it, if you get what I mean. To me it looks like this, that you show up in your thread in two different ways (or roles, deliberately chosen?)

I guess I'm attempting to give substance to my suppositions. This discussion might never end. This is about Revelation and Mystery. A "Space-Cowboy" Individual of Interest spoke to me about "Mystery" in an approving manner. They also spoke about the "good-side" of Anna in "V" in an approving manner. They spoke to me about pre-cognition and remote-viewing (with military-applications). They spoke to me about who should "really run the world". They spoke to me about how UFO's work (something about gravity and always falling). They spoke of wishing to construct a UFO. They spoke of working with the Pentagon. They spoke to me about Orion. They reminded me of the "Cowboy" in Mulholland Drive.

At times you're the observer looking at its content from without, which seems to be the intention of the initial plan, with your US of the SS-Final Cut. At other times you're the person actively present in your thread, sharing your observations and feelings on how you see yourself doing and the probable futility of it in the eyes of others, as you seem to perceive may be the case.

I pretend to be someone I'm not -- to create a Science-Fictional Psycho-Drama -- to make points which could not otherwise be made. This mostly seems to have fallen on "deaf-ears". It's probably mostly a personal-exercise which I am sharing with a few alphabet-interns. I wonder how many of them have gone nuts? I'm actually being somewhat serious.

This seems to come from within you, ortho, as if it's felt that way, real time. If this is what you call "modelling", I can't say I understand what you mean by that and what it's purpose is. And besides, I'm not sure if that's what it is, ortho. Is it with the intention to share your large amount of documentation and views, to see if they're appreciated as subjects for a discussion? Without the need to find understanding, for this is already material that is understood by you?

It sometimes seems as if I am "Channeling-Myself". I sometimes imagine myself in important historical, contemporary, and prophetic roles -- so as to provide myself and others with rare-insights into the "Way Things Might've Been or Might Be" as the "Saddest Words That Fingers Can Type". I've actually found some remarkable evidences that I might be some sort of a "Significant Historical Soul" -- but I have no idea whether that would be a good-thing, or not. Some of my questions are rhetorical -- but most are inquisitive. I keep hoping that the right-individuals will systematically and exhaustively answer my many questions (here or in some other context).

Or is your need of understanding, with the help of discussions, that you welcome here? I risk wrapping conclusions around my questioning here, due to a groping for my understanding. Forgive me if that's perceived that way, by you, ortho. This is the thing, you see, we always have to deal with being at risk in misunderstanding, for the difficulty of only exchanging views in this virtual way. I can imagine there must be some sort of strong drive in you, connected to an urge to find a way to a life with purpose. To me, it seems to be like this, that you feel the clarity for finding it is present outside of you.

I doubt that I will find a "Purposeful-Life" in "Real-Life" so I am forced to construct a "Significant-Existence" in Cyberspace as some sort of a "Cyberspace-Cowboy". I am often forced to bring discussions from other threads into this thread -- so as to artificially manufacture conversation within this particular thread. I often seem to be "shunned" on this site -- and in "real-life".

To me, at times, there seems to have happened a reversal of priorities, in the way you handle your thread, as if the exploring and research that you do, have moved to the first position, as a goal in itself. For I see you asking questions, asking questions about the asked questions, ignoring investigations by others sometimes due to the insistent questioning popping up in you. At times, reading parts of your posts, I wonder if there are answers that will satisfy you, if they're searched for.

The Rare Responses by Others are often catalysts for further questioning and speculation. Most of the material on this thread is the work of others (ignored or otherwise). Responses are sometimes off-topic -- and I seek to stay on track -- which might appear to be ignoring various responders. Thinking deeply about the words of others does not always produce direct-responses from me. I'm sometimes a bit like a psychiatrist or psychologist asking leading questions. Jesus asked a lot of questions. Consider reading Jesus: An Interview Across Time by Dr. Andrew G. Hodges. http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Interview-Psychiatrist-Christs-Humanity/dp/0825427908

I truly wonder what will happen if you at any given moment will find an answer or give up this quest, quieting that mind of yours. I don't mean to suggest that you should stop posting, ortho, I simply wonder in what way your arrival at the end of your quest, feeling that you've found the answers you need, will affect you. Do you expect to feel you will miss the ponder and wonder, the multifaceted way of reflecting on topics that you express in your thread here in the Mists? It's a genuine question, I hope you will perceive it that way

The quest will probably become so dark and controversial that I will be forced to not talk about it publicly or privately. This thing might honestly end in tragedy and great sorrow. I'm NOT expecting a happy-ending.

B.B.Baghor wrote:Thank you for highlighting this SaLuSa material, ortho. Just to understand you better, is your encounter with the people who were followed by an UFO and had after-death encounters, in a way connected to the SaLuSa messages?

There is no connection (as far as I know) -- other than being supernatural and otherworldly. This thread is just a big melting-pot of strange roads-less-traveled. There is a basic theme -- but I try not to get into harangue-mode. I just seem to make everyone angry with my irreverent and questioning approach -- as I search for solutions which might ultimately benefit everyone.

I've always paid attention to those messages by SaLuSa, for I feel an energy of loving kindness in them. I'm, like you, no devotee or disciple, of beings or organizations. I fell in the cauldron of religion and had enough of the magic potion for the remaining part of my life   I found that the general view on our soul-purpose/journey, by SaLuSa, is similar to the one in the message by Jeshua, I posted today. In the Mercedes Kirkel thread.

B.B.Baghor wrote:

Christ's face in window Presbyteran Church Albany
Photo by David Hinchen

Received by Mercedes Kirkel  On February 5, 2015

Yeshua: What I wish to bring forth is very simple, perhaps not easy, but nonetheless simple. It is about healing.

There is really only ever one healing, which is the healing of separation from God. All other healing is a variation upon that, a certain frequency within that, which an individual may be more open to receiving in a particular moment. Ultimately, it does not matter if someone is healed physically or not. Certainly we care about others. Certainly our heart wishes others to be in their wellness, in their wholeness. Yet there are times, quite a few times, when it is pain that draws someone to God. So the healing is never about relieving pain or suffering. The healing is about relieving separation from God.

You cannot necessarily tell this to people, unless they are ready to hear it, because they won’t understand. You may choose to offer healing of pain or suffering, and that may support someone in their path of coming closer to God. But ultimately, it is not your job to relieve anyone of pain. Your job is to fulfill your path of offering your gifts and service—to God and to the world—in the way that is most right for you. Then let go of the results because the results are divinely orchestrated. You are playing your part in this divine orchestra.

This is what I wish to offer. Are there any questions you wish to ask?

Question: In my particular case, is doing healing work one of the possible things that helps me to fully express my soul?

Yeshua: You will always know what helps you to express your soul because the things your soul is choosing for its expression are the things that connect you to God. So this is the measure you can use to determine if something is your path. Ultimately, you do healing for yourself, because it is your path to do so and by following your path you are connecting to God. It is your connection to God that serves others, more than anything you do to alter their circumstance. Your connection to God helps them most directly to connect to God. If healing is the pathway through which you can offer that, then that is your path. If chewing bubble gum is the pathway through which you can offer that, that is your path. It does not matter.

Questioner: I also feel close to God through gardening.

Yeshua: Yes. And there are all sorts of ways that you bless the Earth and all the people on the Earth through every touch of the Earth. There are infinite ways to serve. It is all about your connection to God and what lights you up, what brings your joy, what brings you passion—which is simply the energy of God filling you.

Questioner: (crying) That’s what I miss the most about my daughter [who died]. I felt like the love of God would shine through her eyes. Almost immediately after she died, I realized I’m left here on Earth to create that, without having it be for her.

Yeshua: Yes, you are understanding perfectly.

Questioner: The beauty that I saw in her was just God’s love shining through.

Yeshua: Absolutely. That is all there is. That is all this realm consists of. Any being stays in this realm until they realize that and become God’s light themselves. Then they are ready to leave and continue in another realm.

Questioner: My mother, in her dementia, has been screaming out that she was abused when she was younger. The doctors are wondering if this really happened, but I have no proof. Can you tell me if this actually happened?

Yeshua: You are not understanding what’s happening correctly.

The mind is a filter. The mind filters out the vast amount of information contained in your whole universe, which is the kind of information that exists in the Akashic Record—the information of everything. This would totally overwhelm beings and they would be nonfunctional if they received all this information. So the mind filters this out. When someone has dementia, they are losing their filter. So your mother is opening up to massive amounts of information that may be hers and may be others’.

Ultimately, it does not matter if this happened to her or did not happen to her, if it happened to her in this lifetime or if it happened to her in another lifetime. It does not matter. It is her reality now. She is experiencing this now. So you should relate to her as though this is what’s happening now.
Give her the exact response you would give her if this were definitely the truth and her real situation—because it is, for her.

She may very well need healing. I would say she definitely needs compassion and a safe space to express her pain. Support her in expressing her pain and allow her to do so. Let her know, “Yes, yes, I hear how much pain you’re in, how painful and awful that must have been. Is there more you want to share?” Let her share. And help her, just as you would if this had happened recently.

I offer you my deepest, fullest blessings".

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orthodoxymoron wrote:My focus on the concept of the Science-Fictional Hybrid-Queen is somewhat reflective of Lilith -- Isis -- the Queen of Sheba -- the Black Madonna -- Cleopatra -- and Mary Magdalene. I tend to gravitate toward the Mean-Queen Theme. What Would Bloody-Mary Do?? Do you really wanna know??? I am presently very-open and very-skeptical toward just about everyone and everything -- including most of the material I post on "my" thread. Anybody can write or say just about anything. A lot of religious stuff is very difficult (or even impossible) to verify. Lawyer-Like Theologians and Preachers can slant things in a most dishonest and nefarious manner. A channeled religious-figure could really be some demonic-entity (for all anyone knows). I honestly don't know if I am fundamentally good or bad (especially in previous incarnations). Life is really a big annoying question-mark for me. I have a particular editorial-slant -- but I am even skeptical of that. I have no idea how much I think and say is representative of the way things really are. No idea at all. I'm presently reading a book about Mary Magdalene by Lynn Picknett. It's quite fine -- but I'm reading it with a Dead-Sea of Salt. http://www.amazon.com/Mary-Magdalene-Lynn-Picknett/dp/0786713119/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1426017841&sr=8-1&keywords=lynn+picknett Tradition and history have made of her "the other Mary." Even in the New Testament Mary Magdalene stands among women second only to Mary the Mother, albeit she has been reduced by the biblical Gospels to little more than a fallen woman redeemed by Jesus. In the Gnostic Gospels, however, Magdalene figures almost as significantly as Christ, who names her "the woman who knows all." The conflicting accounts of Mary Magdalene have sent best-selling author Lynn Picknett on a quest for the truth that has led her to the thirteenth-century cult of the Black Madonna, then back to Christianity's beginnings and earlier. Tracing Mary's name to Magdala in Egypt, Picknett learns that the term Magdal-eder means "tower of the flock," or Good Shepherd, a title also given to Jesus Christ. Based on her explorations into new scholarship on recently discovered Gnostic texts, Picknett finds a vital partnership between Jesus and Mary that synthesized Eastern and Egyptian mysticism and that promulgated gender equality, anointing rites, and sexual rituals. In that relationship, she discovers an alliance that Christ's Apostles and, later, the Catholic Church strove ardently to suppress. Picknett's revelations rarely fail to provoke at least a reconsideration of long-accepted church doctrine.

B.B.Baghor wrote:

ortho's words: "I'm presently reading a book about Mary Magdalene by Lynn Picknett. It's quite fine -- but I'm reading it with a Dead-Sea of Salt"

Your sense of humor is priceless, ortho, at least you can read the book while floating, on the sea of tears, in laughter or sadness

On my part, regarding my way of dealing with such messages like in this thread and other channeled material, or those on ET existence, intraterrestrial beings, from hands on experience, astral traveling or through hearing voices, also views from all kind of sources on global affairs of all 13 kinds, I usually make sense of them, when I feel I can relate to the content, feeling touched by it in a good way. And inspired, uplifted or heart-warmed.

I've made it a habit, to explore at least 5 sources of a certain piece of information, comparing and making sense of it or not. Grains of salt are very useful, also having them near, when reading my sometimes bold statements. I mean the style, not the content, This statement is an example of what I mean, throwing confusion in for those who can read between my/the lines.

I try to study various approaches without becoming submissive to particular personalities and/or power-structures -- but this is not fundamentally rebellious in nature. I'm honestly attempting to positively-reinforce everyone and everything -- even if it doesn't seem like it.

If I may ask, ortho, was your encounter with the being (or beings?) with the name of an Ancient Egyptian Deity, in person, or did it occur in the astral realms? That first blue spaceship-deck picture in your post looks great, that "window with a view". What a view!

It was in-person over several months. It was rather interesting and intense. I have repeatedly featured this close-encounter throughout this thread -- but I haven't made a great-big deal about it. A visitor or casual-observer would probably miss it altogether. I'd like to travel the cosmos in a spaceship -- but the price of admission might be way too high -- and I strongly advise against getting into a UFO. The Ancient Egyptian Deity was a Guardian of the Galaxy kind of guy -- and I'm NOT kidding!!

B.B.Baghor wrote: ortho's words: "I try to provide a wide variety of posts -- despite accusations that I just keep saying the same things over and over again. On the other hand, if I were inconsistent, I would be accused of being confused and unstable. I frankly don't care what anyone thinks. I simply want everyone to think. Period".

Comment in the tubby with the grizzly bears catching salmon, in your post "For every salmon that is caught, hundreds make it past the bears......."

Once upon a time -- I had a digital voice-recorder which worked perfectly -- expect when recording one particular individual. A normal-sounding voice became a hideous gravely (almost demonic) voice when played-back on that particular digital-recorder!! This occurred repeatedly (without exception). I mentioned this to the Ancient Egyptian Deity -- to which they replied "Some Slip Through". Honest.

Honestly, ortho, comments on your saying the same things over and over, to me that's not an accusation. When I share that opinion, it's a comment on how it's perceived by me. For some reason you seem to be fixed on that judgment, of being accused, so that you feel compelled to repeat your message, in order to prove you're right or to make clear what it is you're after. That's a possible checkmate position, to me.

So -- is this a King and Queen War-Game?? I often feel like a Completely Ignorant Pawn!! Please remember that I am honestly modeling concepts and personalities which do NOT reflect who I am in "real-life". I might share some of the inclinations and biases -- but I don't behave like this in everyday life. What scares me is that the ease with which I model on this thread leads me to wonder if I might've been somewhat like this in previous lives. I'm honestly NOT channeling some nefarious entity. I don't do anything even remotely creepy. I might be channeling myself. Was it Lionhawk who spoke of channeling themselves?? I can't quite remember -- but I know it was someone on this forum who is no longer posting. Each of my posts are the same -- only different -- reflecting the concept of "Theme and Variations". I honestly keep feeling as though I was somehow set-up in this incarnation -- where every behavior and editorial-slant would be somehow used against me -- with the general theme of Build Them Up -- and Knock Them Down.

It's your reaction, to feel an accusation and you seem stuck in it. You're as much trying to live up to expectations of your audience as dictating your rules how the audience should listen. I think that you're in one of the most patient and kind forum here, with many members, including me, communicating with you in an open-minded way and with good intentions.

I can't dictate Rules of Listening. What Would Julian Treasure Say?? I can't even get others to listen. Period. This is a highly tolerant forum -- but I often feel as if I am silently being fed enough rope to hang myself (which I seem to be effectively and efficiently doing each and every day). I seem to be somehow protected -- while I continue to destroy myself. I guess I keep thinking that if I am never built-up -- it is more difficult to knock me down. This whole thing is frankly a Most Dangerous Game to me. It's so sad -- that it's almost funny...

I don't choose to belittle you or your thread, or display a smiling face, at the same time shaking my head inside. Some may do that here, to sort of please you. That's not helping, does it? Many of those who read your thread, have shown you they appreciate your presence here and (maybe with some difficulty) also your thread. You are not your thread, see? That's where the sting is present, or so it seems. I feel a sameness in your trying hard and my trying hard, in a way.

Forgive me for repeating this -- but you often remind me of "Angela" in that 1978 movie "The Word" (which sends chills up and down my spine). That's actually a compliment. I honestly feel like a sci-fi script-writer. Decades ago, I spoke with a very famous Hollywood-Director's Stepmother about wishing for "someone" to create a High-Tech Science-Fictional "Life of Christ" Based Upon The Desire of Ages by Ellen White. Honest. She spoke of her stepson being fearful. Now I think I understand why -- based upon which movies were being made at that time -- and what I know now.

There's an obstacle between people's minds present here, reading your thread and yours presenting food for thought in it. So far, you don't receive what you're aiming at, that's made clear by you. To me, it seems that somewhere there's an opinion put on ice. My efforts to clarify or understand, may prove that "never the twain shall meet." That opinion on ice, or a prefixed idea, may be in the mind of the readers, in my mind also, for I truly find it hard to follow, where your mind goes, or is, ortho.

I have repeatedly stated that this thread merely scratches the surface. I could make this MUCH more complex and graphic. I've been around highly-educated English and Australian Theologians and Preachers -- and it's quite humbling -- and even a bit creepy. Some of you know what I'm talking about. This thread is sort of Gizeh-Intelligence for the Rest of Us!!

Can we meet halfway? That could work maybe....... I think    I'm honestly thinking out loud, to myself mainly, sharing it here with a purpose, if you can get that. Is making sense done by thinking? Is humour a way to bypass the trap of absolute truth and perfection? When is an answer given that is also received as an answer?

Perhaps. I'm honestly attempting to understand what Genuine Fundamentalist Biblical Theology in the Context of Ancient and Modern Science-Fiction really looks like. My starting-point is that Everyone is Right -- and Everyone is Wrong -- which makes everyone angry and indignant. Irreverent-Humor seems to be destroying me -- little by little -- yet it seems to serve a utilitarian-purpose presently -- so I shall continue to crucify myself. We all have our crosses to bear -- don't we?? Orthodoxymoron or Wave of the Future?? Time Will Tell -- as it always does...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U

Tim Minchin's Storm the Animated Movie

To me, this is a delicious merging of instinctual view and overview. Those 2 views are meant to be made aware in one moment, as I see it, in a positive "the twain shall meet".

I learned "Combining-Opposites" from Shirley Maclaine. I knew a Hollywood-Insider who told me that Shirley seemed to be lost in deep-thought when not on stage. Once -- while inside a major television-studio -- as I watched a rehearsal -- I noticed one particular individual who sat motionless and transfixed in front of the stage -- watching intently and silently -- with total-concentration. That made a deep impression on me. I honestly aspire to be that sort of person (regarding life, the universe, and everything). BTW -- I recently encountered an Individual of Interest who seemed to NOT like me one little bit -- and I think I might know why...

"The mind…  can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven" ― John Milton

Some of us seem to be "Making Heaven Into Hell" while others of us seem to be "Making Hell Into Heaven". What if CERN will somehow merge Heaven and Hell into some sort of an Eschatological Final-Jihad?? The Horror. I equate "Mind" with "Character" -- which we apparently take with us when we die. Who says "You Can't Take It With You"??

"Oxy -- You Need to Learn Your Place in the Great Scheme of Things..."

B.B.Baghor wrote: ortho, I hear you clearly, though this may be of not much help, for to me, you seem a bit far out... of hearing distance. It's hard to follow you, but you make yourself heard alright! It seems your mind is so much in turmoil, that it's hard for you to discern your own voice, not the one shouting here. If I may say this, we all long for this....... being heard. For crying out loud!!! It's our birthright, to be valued through our lives. In the first seconds of our life, we make ourselves heard, we cannot do otherwise. For what it's worth to you, ortho, for truth is.... showing new faces each day, these days, or so it seems, maybe that's why what you're looking for seems to be elusive to you, I believe that we need to listen to our own voice first, from within. The one who's patiently waiting for you, me, us,  to shut up and listen. For a change.

magamud wrote:Ya thats some living, thanks....

Aquaries1111 wrote:Hi Oxy,

I want you to know I am still reading you.. I am only on page 2 though of your beautiful path thread. I almost wish I had started the path the same time you did, I wouldn't feel so left behind then.. Okay I'll stop whinging.. I know, I know, we are multi-dimensional and what existed then also exists now.. so now is where I am to read.. so bee it..

Your Bill Cooper link has sent me on a Bill Cooper download overload.. I need to get back to study and get back to page 2.. There's so much information I almost need to just close myself off and focus on your precious thread. I do know it's precious..

magamud wrote:

"You Can't Outrun or Outgun God!!"

The Ruler of This World Will Get You In The End...

orthodoxymoron wrote:The Old-Testament ends around 400 BC -- with approximately 400 years of Biblical-Silence. I've been wondering if the New-Testament is somehow a corrupted version of Suppressed Intertestamental Messianic Writings (which might resemble the writings found in Job through Daniel -- or at least commentaries and applications of those books)?! I realize this is heresy -- and I have little evidence to back-up this radical idea. I have suggested a very careful study of Job through Daniel -- prior to studying other parts of the Bible -- using these ten-books as an interpretive-key. What if the time extending from Alexander the Great (356-323 BC) -- right up to the present -- should be viewed with extreme-suspicion -- especially regarding how this world has been run?! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great What if all the religions which came into existence during this time-period were invented and promoted by the Same Hidden PTB?! This might hypothetically include Christianity (as we know it) -- Catholicism -- Islam -- Protestantism (in all of its forms) -- and virtually every religion and sect -- as franchises of One Big Business!! If true -- this would be upsetting and revolting to everyone -- wouldn't it?! Try reading Luke and James -- straight-through -- over and over -- comparing this study with the rest of the New-Testament. Then compare that same study with Job through Daniel. As I previously noted -- only Acts -- James -- and 3 John -- do NOT end with "Amen." Was someone trying to tell us something?? Further -- consider that Luke-Acts is really one book by the same author. Likewise -- one might consider First, Second, and Third John as being one book by the same author. If there is any validity to what I just said -- what would a study of the following books yield??

1. Job.
2. Psalms.
3. Proverbs.
4. Ecclesiastes.
5. Song of Songs.
6. Isaiah.
7. Jeremiah.
8. Lamentations.
9. Ezekiel.
10. Daniel.
11. Luke.
12. Acts.
13. James.
14. 1 John.
15. 2 John.
16. 3 John.

Are these books consistent with the rest of the Bible?? If one studied these 16 books -- what doctrinal-framework might emerge?? Should a doctrinal-framework even be constructed?? Should these books simply be read (straight-through -- over and over)?? I am Not a Bible-Scholar. Not even close. I simply wonder as I wander. Once again -- I simply wish to research and reflect -- without getting angry and disruptive. I think we're in the process of finding-out some extremely upsetting and potentially-disruptive information. Being triumphalist in any of this would be a grave-error. Some say that the Catholic Church and the Pope are the Root of All Evil -- but I am suggesting the possibility of another layer of power, which even Rome is subservient to!! Groot is the Root of All Evil. Or perhaps the Mandrake is the Root of All Evil. What REALLY scares me is the possibility that the historical-madness and often ruthless and corrupt governance -- might've somehow been necessary and/or unavoidable (as insane as that sounds)!! Perhaps it has been somehow necessary for the Bad-Guys to run Earth, Inc. for thousands of years -- as revolting as that sounds!! Please consider ALL Possibilities before throwing stones!! Whenever I speculate about Solar System Governance -- I feel dirty and sick!! Perhaps there is No Good Way to Run a Solar System!! This thing might be tougher and nastier than we can possibly imagine!! Once again -- I have no idea what's true or false. I just take everything in -- and quietly move-on. What if one formulated a Mental and Spiritual Conceptualization of the Messiah based upon the following??

1. Job through Daniel (KJV).
2. The Bach B-Minor Mass.

This wouldn't be Judaism or Christianity -- would it?? What would it be?? Just know that during my break I will be spending a lot of quality time with those two sources -- but, once again, this is simply an area of study, rather than being a line in the sand. What if Job through Daniel were given a completely universal-interpretation -- rather than being biased toward Judaism (ancient or modern)? What if the Bach B-Minor Mass were given a completely universal-interpretation -- rather than being biased toward Christianity or Catholicism?? Would these two sources make an effective Ecumenical Book of Common Prayer?? I often have NO Idea what people want and need. But whatever it is -- it probably has to be THEIR Idea!! Everyone seems to wish to rule (whether they admit it, or not). Can you even begin to imagine what would happen if the world were ruled by Jerusalem -- with absolute-obedience expected from everyone?? What if the Torah were the Law of the World?? Can you imagine the rioting and warfare??!! I still think that Someone-Significant REALLY wants the Battle of Armageddon!! Can't we all just get along?? Take a look at this!!

enemyofNWO wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:I'm pretty much in a state of despair. No matter who the "Real Bad Guys" are -- if they are removed -- there are undoubtedly some "Really Bad Guys" waiting to take-over. "Real Nice Guys" might not survive for five-minutes at the "Top of the Pyramid". Traditional-Religions might often be bottomless-pits of corruption and confusion -- but atheism, agnosticism, psychology, philosophy, politics, business, law, entertainment, etc. are simply different bottomless-pits of corruption and confusion. What if no one is genuinely good?? If powerless "Good-Guys" are placed in positions of power -- they might quickly turn into "Bad-Guys". We might be screwed -- no matter what we do (or don't do). We might've gotten our butts kicked in an Ancient Star War -- with the Victors ruling Humanity from the Shadows for Thousands of Years. Who Knows?? How can we REALLY know anything regarding history and how things really work?? I'll "Fight the Good Fight" -- but I'm not expecting "Paradise or Utopia" anytime soon...

Remember that " Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely " . There are no check and balances to keep in line the ones at the very top .  In a previous post your wrote : quote "with approximately 400 years of Biblical-Silence. I've been wondering if the New-Testament is somehow a corrupted version of Suppressed Intertestamental Messianic Writings". I bet that corruption, misinterpretation and false translations are  inbuilt in any translated ancient text. How could you otherwise explain that an important rabbi threatened DR Strange about the revelations of the Dead Sea scrolls  ( see above videos ) ?  The biggest secret kept from the " believers " is the " flying saucers "  and alien interventions in human affairs .  The Flying saucer became " the holy Spirit " and the  Elohim became a singular entity instead of referring to a group of people . Because the church had control of the translations , then who didn't translate in an approved way ( nothing to do with the truth and accuracy ) got the marching orders .  The ancient text were used as property not of humanity but of a private  group of people that had in mind to enslave the world . The search for total control of the population is still going on .  

orthodoxymoron wrote:I tend to agree. As I irreverently suggested before -- what if the Holy-Spirit might be the Queen of Heaven in a Flying-Saucer?? I don't mean to be mean. I'm just trying to make the insane make-sense...

B.B.Baghor wrote:

Are you familiar with the story of the 2 monks?

"Two monks were on a pilgrimage and one day, came to the shore of a river, finding a woman in search
for a way to cross the water. The monks weren't allowed, by their superiors, to touch a woman. One of
the monks, being of a scholarly nature and helpful, chose to sort of set this rule aside and obey to the
rule of his superiors and their belief, to be of service. He offered her, to carry her across on his back.
She agreed with joy.

Once on the other side, after having left the woman behind, on the shore, the two monks continued their
journey. After about 3 hours, the monk who carried the woman, said to his companion. "You know, I wasn't
supposed to do that" "What do you mean?" asked his companion. "Well" answered the other monk "The rules
forbid me to touch a woman. I'm troubled by having done it". His companion answered "Oh, now I know what
you mean, I've already completely forgotten about that woman and the incident. You still carry her on your back
and make yourself suffer from it".

enemyofNWO wrote: Thanks for the parable . I imagine that  it is taken from a chapter of the bible not published  yet. I hope your writing is proceeding OK .  Are you defensive about your religion? Does it upset you, perhaps  that ,in a discussion,   we revealed facts about  the Sacred COW called  Christianity ?  Please don't take personally discussions in a forum . I can assure you also that I don't carry anyone on my back and I don't have dead weight to expel . I am who I am and I accept it . Do you do anything to screw the system that oppresses us all ? I do , for dozens of years we have had the secret services of Europe and Australia on our back ..... they have spent millions of dollars , performed incredible number of operations and Psy -ops with no result . So we have something to be proud off . If only there were more people like us who work to screw the system and try to open the eyes of the ones that keep theirs wide shut , the system would collapse sooner .....

Please don't be upset ,   we ,not always , read pleasant material . Unfortunately the world is not a pleasant place , it is a mine field ! who am I ?  I am one of millions that realized that the catholic religion is a fraud ,  after over 60 years since I woke up about it  I am still discovering despicable acts perpetrated by that criminal organization . I live in catholic country where the malefic presence of catholicism is omnipresent so i might  be rabid when dealing with the subject . I see also the pervasive influence of this cancerous religion on the politics and the society . There seem to be no end to the criminality of the church . They have the brass face to send missionary to regions  of the third world to try to convert who doesn't need to be . I don't think that the discussions with Otho are futile ,this subject is very interesting  and I think there is  some chance that  some of the discussion might influence, in a positive way,  some readers with an open mind .  Ortho ,as the rest of us , is on a personal journey and every person has his/her own interpretation of  what is searching and what is looking for .    Did you like the videos linked in post No 2   and 3 ? They are  eyes opener don't you agree ? Be well !

orthodoxymoron wrote:In "The Exercise of Vital Powers" from the 4th season of Babylon 5 (which is depicted as being in the year 2261 A.D.) -- the statement was made that "Russia [had transitions of power] in 1917 and 2013". Mind you -- this episode was made in 1997. The Pope resigned in 2013 -- and a Jesuit became the new Pope. In "The Keys of This Blood" Malachi Martin writes about a three-way battle for control of the New World Order -- between Russia, the Vatican, and the United States. The book was published in 1990. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Keys_of_This_Blood What if Russia had a lot to do with the changing of the guard in Rome?? Supposedly -- the US and Russia might be headed for some sort of conflict. That same episode of Babylon 5 speaks of the French coming to power in 2112 A.D. I have a rare book titled The End of the World, A.D. 2133. Pope Benedict seemed a bit bitter when he spoke of "God Sleeping". I have irreverently joked that "God was just tired of all the bullshit!" All of this might not be significant -- but I find it somewhat interesting.

enemyofNWO wrote:Thanks Ortho for the links ! I  just watched the video of Malachi Martin  posted above . There is a lot of information that is very relevant   even today .  But Martin ideas that the Pope John Paul would  unite the world on moral and ethical grounds  did not happen and it is very unlikely it will in the future ,John Paul died and things got worse . Since then the church is now associated universally with pedofilia and corruption. According to Martin already  in1990 the church had to pay 95 million dollars in compensation to children victims of sexual abuse . Martin said that the Church has the most efficient secret services in the world   . How do they do it ? The confession !  of course ! Just as a test try to confess that you know of a fictitious person that wants to bump off the pope ……… See how long it takes for the police to knock at you door ? Malachi said that the church has been penetrated by the Masons.   This happened a long time ago . The picture below is of Trieste where I live  near the palace of the Questore ( the chief of Police ) there is a church and above the door there is a date in roman numerals . The picture below is taken from my e-book chapter 19 .

orthodoxymoron wrote:I've been thinking of the whole solar system as being one big business (in good and bad ways). The Catholic Church might be near the top of the pyramid -- but I keep thinking there's at least one or two layers of power beyond Rome (and probably not in good ways). But really -- the universe might have literally billions of star-wars occurring simultaneously -- from antiquity to modernity. How things are out-there probably has a lot to do with why things are the way they are on Earth. Most of this is speculation -- but there is some substance to it -- and it frankly scares the hell out of me. Without hearing anyone say it -- one day I thought about the possibility of bugged-confessionals -- and it freaked me out!! I just assume that ANYTHING I say is somehow recorded. That might be overly paranoid -- but this is reflective of Christian-Theology (and even Santa-Claus coming to town)!! I assume that all agencies are somehow interconnected (for better or worse). A lot of this is speculation -- but I keep hearing stories...

orthodoxymoron wrote:What is the relationship (if any) between Dragons -- Draconian-Reptilians -- Generic-Reptilians -- Tall Long-Nosed Greys -- Small-Greys -- Generic-Hybrids -- Dragonized-Humans -- Nephilim -- Human-Giants -- Hybrid-Giants -- Reptilian-Giants -- Normal-Humans -- Angels -- Demons -- God -- Satan -- Demigods -- et al?? I might've added a couple of non-existent categories (or I might've missed someone) -- but you probably get my question. This whole-thing always seems to be an illusive shell-game. "Top" People probably get clear and concise briefings and documents -- but "We the Peons" must wade through "Endless Bullshit". I still don't know if most of the above really exist -- so I just play a stupid science-fiction game -- to attempt to understand a phenomenon which might not even exist. Strange-Beings could originate from Distant-Galaxies -- or they could be Renegade-Creations aka Forbidden-Abominations -- from Secret-Laboratories within this solar system. Who Knows?? How might Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer relate to all of this?? Does Lucifer really exist -- or is Lucifer simply the dark-side of Gabriel and/or Michael?? Also -- is Azazel an actual Angel and/or Demon -- or is Azazel simply a Historical and Eschatological Scapegoat?? Is the Creator of Humanity considered to be "Azazel"?? Once again -- I have a very difficult time getting into the Thuban material. I'm presently taking a closer look at Biblical-Prophecy in the context of Science-Fiction. I am very-wary of Prophecy -- but I've recently felt the need to understand Job through Daniel - relative to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John -- with unconventional approaches. I always feel as if I'm playing with burning-magnesium when I consider this madness -- and a lot of it really does seem to be madness (on purpose, in many ways). What do you think about the 2300 days-years of Daniel 8:14 originating around 168 BC -- and terminating around 2133 AD?? Does Humanity have a future "As-Is" -- or will we be terminated and/or turned into various sorts of hybrids (which might not resemble humanity as we know it)?? Was the Historical Jesus Christ really the Messiah of the Psalms and Isaiah -- or is there a Hidden Historical Messiah?? This sort of thing is nearly impossible to really know about with any certainty. I'm almost to the point of completely walking away from ALL of the stuff contained within this website -- and just go back to watching television. I might even start drinking-beer and going to football-games and baseball-games. Perhaps I should forget about ethics and truth -- and live a life of skirt-chasing and riotous-living. I actually think I might rejoin the "Rat-Race" because the Rats are Winning...

"LA! LA! LA! LA! LA! LA! LA! LA! LA! LA! LA! LA! LA! WE CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!! LA!! LA!! LA!! LA!! LA!! LA!! LA!! LA!! LA!! LA!! LA!! LA!!"

Seashore wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:

I'm glad to see this one posted.  At the time of the conference, I purchased access to the archives of the conference, but Robert Morningstar's talk had technical difficulties and they didn't have his archive to offer but promised it at a later date.

Aquaries1111 wrote:Oxy wrote: The bottom-line of all of this madness is to 1. Determine who the major players have been in this solar system going back thousands of years. 2. Determine the governmental systems in this solar system going back thousands of years. 3. Determine the true history of the human race and this solar system. 4. To establish the best possible governmental system in this solar system - with the best long-term chances of facilitating responsible freedom.

I'd like to know the true history of the human race and this solar system too.. Far too much has been held from us.. It's time we all found now our own "direct connection back to source".. This is the only way I believe... We are not going to make it on this planet without our "direct connection in knowing" becoming restored.. and we have to want this sooooo bad that we know we can't make it on this planet without it.. Who is tired of "second hand news" when we can have "first hand news"..

I knew instinctively as a small child that the Egyptians did not build those pyramids with sweat equity and blood.. I just knew there was more to it than hands and hard work.. It's obvious some technology of sorts was used.. What else did we know instinctively without "being told"? What else can we know "instinctively" without hearing it as "second hand news"?  It's time for first hand answers!  and how many "true" intuitive seers have you met that can "see your life path" before you yourself can see or know.. I am "demanding" now a direct link to Source.. no more "second hand news"...

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Ashera wrote:Then read the bible correctly:

The Egyptians did not want the LORD crap...

And who does is an enemy of life.

Akhnaten = Mosis? Another result of some Rorschach test?

One must see the whole plot, starting with the Etruscan-Roman subversion politics in North Africa.

No wonder that historians want to blank that out, or?

That is the root of "modern" monotheism and the belief in the LORD and in his nowadays liberalized and emancipated forms. That can be taken back anytime if power constellations allow that. Christian fundamentalists are getting off their starting blocks...

Following Hugo Ball and his "Critique of the German Intelligentsia" all this led via Luther and Bismarck to WWI, and as its consequence to the Hitler fascism.

Now the repitition in form of a farce seems to happen. Mathematically spoken: a dangerous simulation

Windowless Monads...
finally the "discharging mass" as Elias Canetti put it

Who were the Gods and Godesses of Egypt??? I'm not necessarily asking about Egyptian Mythology. I'm asking about the Deities Behind the Mythologies. What was the Pre-Exodus "Law of God"?? The Law and God revealed in the Pentateuch seem problematic and dysfunctional to me. I desire a solid and pure Ancient Theological Foundation upon which to build in modernity -- but I'm not seeing one. I suspect that it might exist -- but where is it??? When I read the first five books of the Old Testament -- I get the sinking-feeling that we have a "God-Problem". The New-Testament seems to attempt to make this "God-Problem" go away -- but the results are somewhat unsatisfactory and unsatisfying. I like the Teachings Attributed to Jesus -- but something is still wrong -- even within the Gospels. I have suggested the possibility of Responsibility-Based Law as being a proper foundation for Responsible-Politics, Responsible-Religion, and Responsible-Business -- yet I continue to be quite irresponsible and ineffective. I have been considering a Ceremonial-Anglican and Conservative-Constitutional approach to Solar System Governance -- yet I really don't know what the hell I'm doing. I'm just very dissatisfied with the way things are. I like the Theological Idealism of Ellen G. White -- yet there are HUGE problems with this prophetess -- and with the church she founded. I keep wondering if there is a hidden and proper unification of law, politics, and religion -- lurking somewhere in Ancient Babylon and Egypt??!! I like thinking about this while watching the 1963 classic "Cleopatra" (Elizabeth Taylor).

Aquaries1111 wrote: I think the main problem is the "Meme" problem... Beliefs about God being Good and the Devil being Bad.. and all these other archangels still looking to be worshipped to one degree or another.. I heard an expression once that went like this: "We are what we are"... I am Spirit in a Body and my name is Debra.. Do the Gods even care who or what I am? Should I care who or what they are? Meet me in the Dreamstate.. there I can easily be found and known.  Ah yes and that Cleopatra movie is worth another watch.. I'd say...

Aquaries1111 wrote:Oxy says: Someone walked around the side of my house, and looked in my window at me today -- and I told them I was calling the police. If this was anyone who might be reading this thread -- please knock next time. I've been told that I have been observed while showering and while walking my dog. I'm aware of the existence of VERY covert means of observing and terminating people -- so I'm a bit on-edge.

I think a little paranoia might be setting in Oxy... Just like your last downed internet issue.. Common sense told me then it was probably something "technical".. There are many out there, Kerry Cassidy, etc.. who think the ptb can kill them off.  I think people give far too much power to the ptb's.. as if they have nothing better to do than "bop people off".. You said you haven't had OBE's and never will.. it seems you are "setting yourself up" for less experiences than you could possibly have with that kind of mindset.. Anyhow, your last link which you asked me to comment on was some music video.. which I could only watch 10 seconds of and then had to turn it off.. held no interest for me at all.. if you can post the link I'll be more than happy to look at it.. shapeshifting video links are usually "manipulated".. so I wouldn't spend too much time speculating on the "creepy" that they create deliberately in them videos.. This was your last link "in this thread". https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=aRlXxpQjML0&feature=endscreen

Aquaries1111 wrote:Oxy,

I think if you see this "Egyptian Diety" again.. you need to laugh in its face.. Oxy seriously, any great teacher will teach you self empowerment.. not to grovel at Diety's feet because it says it is keeping you alive.. See through this and stop letting your emotions being played with..

"Beware of Undod the Sun-God!!"

Aquaries1111 wrote: It amazes me how people spout out that they used to be King Tut in a past life, or an Ancient Egyptian Diety, or a very important King or Queen.. and then initiate others into thinking they too have importance from past lives and such.. This could be related to some kind of "Messiah Syndrome".. You know how many other beings would like to "take our place, now".. and can't because they do not have a "body"?  I think we humans underestimate ourselves and put too much power onto others thinking they are wiser, more powerful, godlike.. We forget it is us humans that currently hold "the wildcard".. We are the "current" now.. we are the change.. we call the shots.. we steward this planet.. we are the kings and queens now... and what of all the secrets people hold dear to their hearts because they have been told not to share.. and so they build up this energy around themselves when they walk and talk and in their own imagination secretly telling themselves.. "I know something you don't know".. Secrets are over.. We forget that we do not, nor cannot "own thought".. we cannot lock it up in a box and tell ourselves we are the only one who knows.. and I'm keeping it secret.. There are no more secrets anymore, despite what one believes.  God sees everything.. "everything". Once we can see ourselves on "equal footing" as everyone else then who has the power? We all do of course.. why would we want more power over our very own.  Consciousness merges with other consciousness upon "agreement".. Anyone, diety or otherwise who tells you to keep secrets and that they cannot share information with you for whatever reason.. put up your guard and see the red flag.. I'd run a mile from that being.. it's obvious they are trying to pull the wool over your eyes..

A little comedy to lighten up the air... take your pick.

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Floyd wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Something really big and really bad seems to have been in control of Earth for many thousands of years.

Yes its called the Church. Maybe only a couple of thousand of years though.
Religious monopoly is big business sunshine and great for controlling masses in fear of Hell etc. Also for great for their mocking condescension towards ancient religious and philosophical traditions.

Im sure Christ is turning in his grave after witnessing what those clowns have done to other great civilisations and traditions in the name of the white mans burden over the centuries. Always working in cahoots with the relevent PTB at each moment.

Utterly criminal.

I tend to think that it goes way, way back in history -- and way, way beyond this little world. I am very interested in where the Teachings Attributed to Jesus REALLY originated. As you know, I have done a lot of Archangelic-Speculation -- and I suspect Archangels in Conflict -- with these teachings representing at least part of One Archangelic Perspective. The Historical Jesus might be a mixture of fact and fiction -- but the 'Christian Church' certainly has not reflected what Jesus taught in the Gospels. I am more distressed about all of this than you can imagine.

Is This What We Were Before We Were Human??
Is This What We Will Be When We Are No Longer Human??

Raven wrote:

Raven wrote:

The 13th Planet Dark Moon Lilith as the 'Hidden Nemesis of Wormwood Nibiru'
and other NABS misidentifications


http://darkstarastrology.com/triple-moon-goddess-lilith-astrology/

A Deeper Look: Astrology Beyond the Traditional Planets

Lilith - The Dark Moon

http://www.angelfire.com/az/zodiacenterprises/LILART.html

(published in The Second Road newsletter, October 1998.)

by Catt Foy

copyright 1998, Catt Foy

She is reputedly Adam's first wife, before Eve. She is known as a demoness, the killer of infants in their cradles. She is the original woman, who refused to be subjugated to a man's desires. Consort to both the devil and God himself, she is the enigmatic and mysterious Lilith.

A little-known element in astrology charts, Lilith is known as the "dark Moon" and, as such, represents our "dark" or hidden emotional selves. According to Lois Daton, author of "Lilith, The Planet of the Doodler," the physical existence of Lilith was confirmed by the United States Weather Bureau in 1879. Lilith is the name used for two different celestial bodies - one is located in the asteroid belt and is not our subject here, the other is an invisible body orbiting the earth approximately three times farther away than the Moon, Luna. It is this Lilith which is of interest here.

Lilith's placement in the chart is especially important to women, and represents the power of the original woman. In a man's chart, Lilith's placement will reveal the hidden power struggles or other issues he may have, resolved or unresolved, with the women in his life.

Lilith was known to the Chaldean astrologers; the Egyptians called her Nephthys. The name Lilith is derived from the old Semitic word for night, "lel" or "lelath", in Arabic "laylah," which also means "ghost" or "spectre" in Hebrew. She is associated with the Death card in Tarot and with the goddesses Persephone, Hecate, Athena, Minerva. She is associated with the Owl, representing secrecy and wisdom, and she is frequently connected with cats.

http://darkstarastrology.com/triple-moon-goddess-lilith-astrology/

In Lilith astrology one can use three Lilith Moon’s. Black Moon Lilith, Asteroid Lilith and the lesser known Dark Moon Lilith. Together they work as a Triple Moon Goddess, which describes a process of transformation. The three Lilith’s are also useful in pinpointing which brand of Lilith energy is strongest in your chart and at which stage you may have the most issues with. After studying Eris in detail it is apparent to me that she is the higher octave of Lilith. Eris is the Uber-Dark Goddess and by combining her with the outer planets we can see how each corresponds quite neatly with three phases of the moon.

To see the Lilith archetype in terms as a triple goddess makes total sense to me. After I wrote this post I discovered Demetria George had come up with a similar concept about Lilith. Comparing it to the bible story she says: ” The Asteroid Lilith describes the first stage in the mythical journey where she is suppressed, humiliated and flees in a fiery rage to the desolate wilderness. The Dark Moon Lilith depicts the pain of her exile where she plots and executes revenge. The Black Moon Lilith shows how she transmutes her distorted image back into its natural healthy expression” [1]

Ishtara Raven: people all over the place on FB, and various forums are posting the most absurd crap, NIBIRU, annunaki…evil ET invasions, the whole gambit.

Totanubis: Yep

Totanubis: Last days of prophecy Raven; it is necessary and to be expected

Totanubis: The 'great falling away from the cosmic truth' it is called

Totanubis: Look at the new earth chart

Totanubis: I added the 15 days as 4 corners

Totanubis: So August 9th - August 23rd 2012 is the third of the legislature and the fourth is September 27th - October 2012 of the executive function

Ishtara Raven: are we in a WOC?

Ishtara Raven: why am I so insensed at the blindness?

Totanubis: This becomes the 'death of the antichrist' in law and then manifested from September 27 - October 11

Totanubis: No deeper

Totanubis: The 'judgement was written'

Totanubis: August 23rd was the final day of the Zion imaged from the AntiZion

Ishtara Raven: my dream last night was these two serpent snake hearts entwining, I was trying to help them entwine, but they were sort of fighting it and each had a side to tell me, I was downloaded with so much stuff, but all of what I mostly brought to my conscious mind is primal anger in a way. They finally merged into colors but i was struggling with them, arguing all night it seemed. I don’t know what it means.

*** Totanubis: sent NewEarth.jpg ***

Totanubis: Yes because of August 23rd

Ishtara Raven: ok that makes sense it seems

Ishtara Raven: it was like something was finalized

Totanubis: Before the judgements can be executed they have to be legislated

Ishtara Raven: but man i seriously became like the mediator of the century in this dream

Totanubis: This legislation is 15 days a twin Woc mirrored in a 'Day of the Lord'

Totanubis: Of course the witnesses' testimony see

Totanubis: The 2 serpents are the lovehearts in the chart

Ishtara Raven: yes i realised this

Totanubis: Conception to Birth of antichrist blended with Anticonception to Antibirth of this same antiLogos energy

Ishtara Raven: and in a weird way Tony, I felt I was helping them somehow and it is related to you and DD and us all, i was like a defender stating my case and listening to both sides

Totanubis: The chart is clear to the days, even though they can’t read it

Ishtara Raven: funny all day i thought of Oct 11th

Totanubis: Just like the so called 2nd Sun or Nemesis, often associated with Nibiru and Wormwood, asteroids and comets, relates to the empty focus of the earth's orbit about the sun

Totanubis: But generally, I now understand how to fully implement this Nibiru-2nd Sun NABS (New Age Bullshit)

Totanubis: It has been always there lol

Totanubis: It never left see, this Dark Moon or extra sun energy

Totanubis: Both Nemesis as the 'hidden sun' and as Nibiru as the hidden moon

Totanubis: It is the 4th generation spoken of in the bible….here are some quotes

Genesis 15:15-17
King James Version (KJV)
¹⁵ And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
¹⁶ But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
¹⁷ And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.

Hebrews 3:10
Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.

Totanubis:
1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Totanubis:
Colossians 1:26
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

Matthew 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Totanubis: He means the 3rd

Totanubis:
Matthew 16:4
A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

Matthew 23:33
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Totanubis:
Matthew 23:36
Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Totanubis: Obvious that this relates to the second coming see

Totanubis: All in John's gospel as the 'sending of the holy ghost' aka 'the comforter'

Colossians 1:26
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

This is the one lol

Totanubis: Not to be found by the navel gazers
 
¹⁶ But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

4th generation here means that the duality will be harmonised in 'brotherhood' mirrored in 'sisterhood'

Totanubis: So all Old Adams and Eves are to 'play' Osiris-Set' and 'Isis-Nephthys' twinships to manifest the MI-IM or JCCJ cosmic twinship

Totanubis: The name Amorites etc all relate to something called the 'battle of the kings'

Totanubis: Abraham as a forerunner to Jacob 'wrestling' with the 'angeldemon' and such stuff

Totanubis: To be RENAMED

Totanubis: New World New Generation

Totanubis: Abram Sarai become Abraham and Sarah

Totanubis: Jacob becomes Israel

Totanubis: I am using it as the New Planet, the 13th

Ishtara Raven: yeah i saw this and it feels right to me

Ishtara Raven: well it would be a good idea to address it

Totanubis: It fits all of us very well, well when you take the extended astro definitions into account as the dynamic 13th and 14th star signs

Totanubis: The feminine elders as the goddesses returning

Ishtara Raven: yes i saw this feminine energy in the descriptions

Totanubis: Lilith is often VERY much associated with the fundamentalist religions

Totanubis: Why it is so potent as a transformation archetype and office

Totanubis: Lilith is of course our Lucifera the sexchanged Satan himherself

Totanubis: Succubi, Mother of all demons and so on

Totanubis: Ok I give an overview

Totanubis: It has to do with the seasons

Totanubis: You know that 30 degrees define 1 sign as a month and as 30°

Ishtara Raven: right

Totanubis: The Lilith Moon is just like the 'Nemesis' Sun

Totanubis: Aka this Nibiru-Annunaki-Giants BS

Ishtara Raven: ah ok, unseen but still influencing

Totanubis: Lilith takes 40 degrees to travel a sign

Ishtara Raven: yes they don’t understand what it is

Totanubis: Yes

Ishtara Raven: instinctively they all know, but attach something 3-D to it like a
planet, dark star ect, when its higher dimensional really

Totanubis: So one year for 12x30=360 becomes 9 Lilith 'months' or cycles for 9x40=360

Totanubis: It is the 'Little Season' of 90 days in 2014

Ishtara Raven: wow that’s interesting

Totanubis: Fully calibrated cosmically

Totanubis: Indeed

Ishtara Raven: also 9 months is a gestational period too

Totanubis: The 40 degrees are well known and you can get the degrees from any more detailed ephemerides

Totanubis: Exactly

Totanubis: You got it

Ishtara Raven: well I got that first, when you said 9 Lilith months

Totanubis: The entire birth-antibirth cycle of the Rebirth is defined by seasons

Totanubis: Now enter the ancients the record keepers

Totanubis: Druids, Indians and adepts, alchemists

Totanubis: Its the 'old wicca' as the modern Dragon omni-scientists

Ishtara Raven: hehe

Totanubis: If you search the web on Lilith Dark Moon you will find much confusion

Totanubis: About what Lilith is. Many try to blend the science with the astrology and so on

Ishtara Raven: well the one link you provided seemed pretty accurate

Totanubis: Its much simpler than tha

fates---: is Satan evil?

Totanubis: No

Totanubis: EVIL=LIVE

Totanubis: And part of the duality necessary to create the Monadic Dyad from the Dyadic Monad

Ishtara Raven: the false perception of oneself is what is evil in the sense of the word fates

Totanubis: Yes Raven can explain the duality required to EXIST, but NOT necessary to become EXPRESSED

Ishtara Raven: humanity has a great self esteem problem

Totanubis: In the New World fates, in the places of the 'sanctum', the sanctuaries say

fates---: is Lilith = Satan something to break free from?

Ishtara Raven: no its something to realize and remember, the Goddess realized.

Totanubis: Violence as you see it now will still exist, BUT become 'boxed' in, say in computer games or cyber space

Totanubis: Then it will no longer be necessary, for people to carry guns to kill and shoot and protect things

Totanubis: Something like that, think about it

Totanubis: What is BAD and EVIL today will still exist in a 'parallel cyberspace' say

Ishtara Raven: the shaitain or satan your referring to is the fake, the image that causes mankind to fail to see the face of god and vs versa, because humans cannot see the divinity, they cannot see their own in each other. And Abba cannot see his goddess.

Totanubis: No fates you are to LOVE Lilith

Totanubis: As your core and as part of yourself

fates---: who is the enemy?

Totanubis: What is considered evil today will all CONVERGE into a New form of starhuman sexuality

Totanubis: Yourself, your ignorance your vanity your refusal to surrender to your higher disincarnate nature

fates---: Yaldabaoth?

THE13THBRIDGE: most peoples  greatest enemy is themselves

THE13THBRIDGE: and; then the doors they leave open; esp; when they sleep at night

Totanubis: REFUSAL=LASUFER

Totanubis: Is the 'Original sin'

THE13THBRIDGE: all kinds of things - fly in; and; fly through; and; out

THE13THBRIDGE: and;it is so simple to block that

Totanubis: Yes, but Yaldabaoth is simply a mental construct embodied AS the duality in all things

THE13THBRIDGE: and, allow only those things; that are in alignment

Ishtara Raven: yes the false perceptions of the self

Totanubis: Yes, but Yalda is simply a mental construct embodied AS the duality in all things

[2:10:49 PM] Thubanis: Any competent astrologer can then READ this chart Fates
[2:11:02 PM] Thubanis: You can write your own book from the symbols
[2:11:26 PM] Thubanis: AND for everyone, there are many online descriptions for the basics
[2:11:40 PM] Thubanis: Like Jupiter in the 4th house Jupiter in Taurus
[2:11:54 PM] Thubanis: Jupiter trine Uranus and square Mercury etc etc
[2:12:05 PM] Thubanis: I can do this of course but many others can too
[2:12:30 PM] fates---: hmm alright, ill see what i can find
[2:12:38 PM] Ishtara Raven: well no one but you knows the Thuban interpretation as well though Tony, I am trying but I am not well versed in astrology as you
[2:12:51 PM] Thubanis: Yes Raven and this I have emphasised many times
[2:13:07 PM] Thubanis: Libra is linked to the New Moon and the Dragon Nodes
[2:13:24 PM] Thubanis: Thuban uses EQUAL houses not Koch or Placidus
[2:13:56 PM] Thubanis: Thuban returns the entire structure of the constellations to its origins and the birth of the astrology
[2:13:58 PM] Ishtara Raven: right all that i realise, its the interpretations that are somewhat different as you have a deeper understanding of the symbols and such
[2:14:44 PM] Thubanis: The major problem with the online stuff is House 6, as fates found out
[2:15:06 PM] Thubanis: Everything else is very good if the analysis is competent
[2:15:08 PM] Ishtara Raven: yeah some of the interpretations are out there
[2:15:19 PM] Thubanis: They are actully often overcomplicating things
[2:15:29 PM] Thubanis: I dont use sextiles and quartiles etc, as these are all finetunings
[2:16:05 PM] Thubanis: And as the elementary structure is being reconfigured, the finetunings get worse and worse
[2:16:22 PM] Thubanis: The emphasis in any chart are always Conjunctions and Oppositions

[2:16:39 PM] Thubanis: Even Trines ands squares are becoming less potent
[2:16:42 PM] fates---: like the placement of my black moon
[2:16:53 PM] fates---: in the opposite house of my dragon node
[2:16:55 PM] Ishtara Raven: right the major aspects
[2:17:21 PM] Thubanis: So the old astrology raves on about the trines and the squares, as benevolent and malevolent respectively
[2:17:29 PM] Thubanis: It is no longer so
[2:17:46 PM] Thubanis: Squares can be VERY beneficial challenges
[2:18:01 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes why i never read the Tarot in reverse
[2:18:19 PM] Thubanis: BUT the Conjunctions are always valid as the eclipses see
[2:18:26 PM] Thubanis: And fates' chart is full of them
[2:18:29 PM] Ishtara Raven: i always thought reversal interpretation silly
[2:18:39 PM] Thubanis: His chart is dominated by conjunctions and oppositions
[2:18:56 PM] Ishtara Raven: lol sounds like mine
[2:19:05 PM] Thubanis: Yes like Satan's reverse speech; total NABS humbug
[2:19:22 PM] fates---: reverse speech?
[2:19:28 PM] Thubanis: The pentagon is BOTH up and down in rotation in the DYNAMIC interpretations see?
[2:20:07 PM] Thubanis: This 13th sign has made the hitherto static charts dynamic
[2:20:10 PM] Ishtara Raven: well each Tarot card is an archetype, containing both light and dark aspects, i just always let the archtype speak and if i felt a negative influence i would say so, no need to reverse interpret
[2:20:46 PM] fates---: interesting
[2:20:54 PM] Ishtara Raven: i dont know i read Tarot very differently then most, i travel through the landscape of the symbols
[2:20:58 PM] Ishtara Raven: and i feel things
[2:21:22 PM] Ishtara Raven: so i guess i approach Astrology similarly, by feeling it out
[2:22:06 PM] Thubanis: But here too I will put Lilith into it so there will be a later version
[2:22:22 PM] fates---: can you send all the charts tony?
[2:22:37 PM] fates---: it would be nice to see what everyone looks like
[2:22:50 PM] Ishtara Raven: i can send you mine and james core chart if you like fates
[2:22:56 PM] fates---: ok
[2:23:03 PM] Michael: what celestial body corresponds to "lillith"
[2:23:34 PM] Thubanis: The empty focus of the moons orbit around the earth Michael
[2:24:07 PM] *** Ishtara Raven sent RavJamCore.jpg ***
[2:24:53 PM] Thubanis: Just like the socalled 2nd Sun or Nemesis, often associated with Nibiru and Wormwood, asteroids and comets, relates to the empty focus of the earth's orbit about the sun
[2:25:51 PM] fates---: wow very cool, thanks raven
[2:26:00 PM] fates---: your signs are in almost the same place
[2:26:05 PM] Thubanis: I will send the corecharts fates, after I have added Lilith to them
[2:26:20 PM] Michael: the empty focus? could you elaborate?
[2:26:44 PM] Thubanis: Simple geometry
[2:26:53 PM] Thubanis: A circle has only 1 center as a focus
[2:27:42 PM] Thubanis: Squash the circle, you get an ellipse with this center becoming two focal points say as defined in physical optics and the mathematical definition of conic sections, of what an ellipse is
[2:28:39 PM] Ishtara Raven: hah susan your first house is in gemini, the twins, interesting
[2:28:41 PM] Thubanis: Susan you gotta press save on this send if you want your chart as it is now
[2:28:57 PM] Thubanis: Yes and Raven this is Thuban
[2:29:09 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes i realise that
[2:29:18 PM] Ishtara Raven: aquarius midhaven
[2:29:22 PM] Ishtara Raven: download it Susan
[2:31:18 PM] Thubanis: In Placidus Susan's ascendant  would be Gemini , but in Thuban it is Taurus and then CONJUNCT her Lilith as 12th house
[2:31:48 PM] Thubanis: It is not much of a change, all the degrees stay the same of course
[2:32:03 PM] Thubanis: But the houses change in the angles
[2:32:16 PM] Thubanis: Because the houses are made EQUAL
[2:32:29 PM] Ishtara Raven: she has a stellum in her 8th house too
[2:32:33 PM] Ishtara Raven: doesnt surprise me
[2:32:57 PM] Thubanis: So Thuban form puts Lilith in Susan's 12th house of the dreamers
[2:33:32 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes i read that yesterday, very cool
[2:33:56 PM] Thubanis: This is still the same in Placidus on a rough check lol
[2:34:01 PM] Ishtara Raven: explains a lot of her abilities there too in house 12 as an astral walker
[2:34:16 PM] Thubanis: So the old charts are close, very close in most cases
[2:34:36 PM] Thubanis: I think someone born at the poles would see differences in the systems
[2:34:55 PM] Thubanis: There the houses are very skewed
[2:35:36 PM] Thubanis: But Raven, Susan and me have the same Lilith House but under different signs
[2:35:58 PM] Ishtara Raven: Uranus retrograde in her 3rd house seems to reflect her prolific nature of communication and why she says people fear her energy, totally uranian infused with leo manamity....raven interpretation on the fly lol
[2:36:00 PM] Thubanis: Mine is Pisces dreamer see and Susan's is in the dreamer house
[2:36:29 PM] Thubanis: But the Tubans seem to be opposites in the Lilith definitions
[2:36:43 PM] Thubanis: Aries and Libra and Leo and Aquarius
[2:36:50 PM] Ishtara Raven: i thought my lilith was in 8th house?
[2:36:54 PM] Thubanis: I commented on this before
[2:37:24 PM] fates---: raven and rok = 8
tony and susan = 12
sui and fates = 6
[2:37:26 PM] Thubanis: No you are in the 4th of the family in Aries; Rok as Aries is in the 8th
[2:37:59 PM] Thubanis: In Aries you oppose now (in complementarity) Xeia's Lilith in Libra and Fates' Lilith in Libra
[2:38:01 PM] Ishtara Raven: i dont know how you find it
[2:38:09 PM] Thubanis: What?
[2:38:15 PM] Thubanis: Ephemerides
[2:38:22 PM] Ishtara Raven: the lilith in my chart
[2:38:22 PM] Thubanis: Its a simple calculus
[2:38:59 PM] fates---: oppose eh?
[2:39:01 PM] Ishtara Raven: so its like behind the sun but the houses have rotated why its in aries 8th house?
[2:39:04 PM] Thubanis: every 40 days Lilith travels 40 degrees so it takes a month and 10 days to go thriough one sign
[2:39:38 PM] Thubanis: Yes, as siad it is the change in the sun per sign
[2:39:50 PM] Thubanis: the elliptical center of gravity say
[2:40:06 PM] Thubanis: I find a pic hang on
[2:42:26 PM] *** Thubanis sent Lilith darkMoon.jpg
[2:43:15 PM] Thubanis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwDPLoq--iQ
[2:43:54 PM] Thubanis: http://www.angelfire.com/az/zodiacenterprises/LILART.html
[2:45:33 PM] Thubanis: http://astrologybykingsley.com/2008/04/14/black-moon-and-liliths-dark-side/
[2:46:10 PM] Michael: you saying the midspace of the earth's shadow?
[2:46:16 PM] Thubanis: http://www.halexandria.org/dward382.htm
[2:46:25 PM] Thubanis: No simple, simple geometry
[2:46:37 PM] Thubanis: Definition of how a circle changes into an ellipse
[2:46:59 PM] Thubanis: This underpins celestial mechanics from Copernicus to Kepler to Newton
[2:47:35 PM] Ishtara Raven: ok so its like midway between earth and the moons apogee
[2:48:01 PM] Thubanis: Those refs are all incomplete Raven, most emphasize the 'dark' aspects of Lilith as a Demon Mother symbolically
[2:48:32 PM] Thubanis: But adding The Mother of all as in Revelation.12 HARMONISES ALL THIS AS YOU SHOULD KNOW
[2:48:50 PM] fates---: that video is awesome :)
[2:48:56 PM] Thubanis: This diagram is not to scale Raven
[2:49:17 PM] Thubanis: Yes and as you can see in your chart Lilith is YOUR Descendant Fates
[2:49:30 PM] Thubanis: I better finish it, instead of chatting here
[2:50:02 PM] Thubanis: Like the center of gravity between Sun and Earth is WITHIN the Sun and not in a place in between Raven
[2:50:11 PM] Ishtara Raven: right i see there are two versions, the actual dark moon called lilith and the empty focus moon which is a place and not an actual satellite which is called black moon lilith
[2:50:42 PM] Thubanis: Not as bad with this empty focus of course as the Moon is not that much 'lighter' than the earth but still the foci are closer together
[2:50:45 PM] fates---: make sense being what am i
[2:51:07 PM] Thubanis: But it is THIS which changes the 30 degree month to 40 degrees ok?
[2:51:19 PM] Thubanis: Yes this is the 'mixup'
[2:51:22 PM] Ishtara Raven: wow
[2:51:24 PM] Thubanis: There are 3 actually
[2:51:27 PM] Thubanis: 3 lilith's
[2:51:27 PM] Ishtara Raven: this is facinating
[3:02:35 PM] Thubanis: It's from there that lilith derives as the oldest feminine of all even BEFORE the physical universe emerged from its metaphysical cocoon
[3:02:59 PM] fates---: Apep is a snake see:
http://173.201.176.135/Anubus%20Dark%20Desire/Anubis%20Dark%20Desire%204/Anubis_Dark_Desire-08.jpg
[3:03:15 PM] Thubanis: Lilith = GODDESS = Barbelo, Raven
[3:03:23 PM] Thubanis: Yes fates
[3:03:45 PM] Thubanis: Rah-Apep became labelled as God-Satan and Osiris-Set etc
[3:03:50 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes i know tony
[3:04:16 PM] Thubanis: I gotta go and do fates chart I don't want to waste my time arguing
[3:04:17 PM] fates---: Set fights Apep
[3:04:23 PM] Ishtara Raven: i was trying to make a point about it to michael since he seems so perturbed on the names
[3:04:40 PM] fates---: it is his job
[3:04:46 PM] fates---: i think Ra did also
[3:04:50 PM] fates---: on the other end
[3:04:51 PM] Michael: what do you feel kundalini is exactly
[3:05:08 PM] Thubanis: Anubis fights Set as Son of Apep fates indeed; so you see your higherD association with Anubis here
[3:05:59 PM] fates---: makes sense, Anubis dosnt "agree" entirely with Set
[3:06:08 PM] Michael: because to ascribe goddess qualities to it is rather making it out to be something more important than it is
[3:06:26 PM] Thubanis: Anubis is then 'the sondaughter' of Uraeus the Egyptian symbol of the Kundalini
[3:06:33 PM] Thubanis: The Serpent of Serpents and the symbol of the pharoah's power
[3:06:54 PM] fates---: http://173.201.176.135/Anubus%20Dark%20Desire/Anubis%20Dark%20Desire%204/Anubis_Dark_Desire-28.jpg
[3:07:16 PM] Thubanis: Anubis is the son of Set and Nephthys but also inseminated by Osiris
[3:07:28 PM] Thubanis: So Anubis becomes Isis 'stepson'
[3:07:45 PM] THE13THBRIDGE: remind me to tell you another time
[3:07:51 PM] Thubanis: He is the duality harmonised say as Hermaphroditus
[3:08:04 PM] fates---: Bi sexual
[3:08:14 PM] Thubanis: So then you can retell all this as the story of Aphrodite and Hermes and Hephaestus
[3:08:32 PM] Thubanis: YES
[3:08:45 PM] Thubanis: BOTH 6 and 9 are bisexual 'unclean'
[3:08:49 PM] fates---: Set is bisexual too
[3:08:54 PM] Thubanis: Hathor's Miror and Anubis
[3:09:10 PM] Thubanis: Set is sexchanged
[3:09:26 PM] Thubanis: From Lucifer to Lucifera or Satan to Satania
[3:09:43 PM] Thubanis: There is NO sexchange for the 'Devil' as this is the fake
[3:09:57 PM] Thubanis: The only true evil is the DEVIL=LIVED
[3:10:06 PM] fates---: http://173.201.176.135/Anubus%20Dark%20Desire/Anubis%20Dark%20Desire%204/Anubis_Dark_Desire-29.jpg
[3:10:19 PM] fates---: is that unclean?
[3:10:26 PM] Thubanis: The DESIRE of LILITH is the sexdrive cosmic
[3:10:51 PM] Thubanis: It is demonic UNTIL Lilith becomes a manyness in New Eves
[3:11:12 PM] Thubanis: Nono unclean means 'middle path' in the tree of life
[3:11:25 PM] Ishtara Raven: [3:04 PM] Michael:
<<< what do you feel kundalini is exactly

it is the primordial divine energy, that created all things Michael and is the mother and father of all things. This is the same energy that transformed the body of Jesus. It is eternal and life giving and highly sexual at its deepest levels. It is the urge to procreate.

[3:11:29 PM] fates---: So Set, Anubis, Horus, Ra?
[3:11:41 PM] Thubanis: The right path is even numbers as females and the left path is male numbers as odd
[3:11:55 PM] Michael: kundalini is not the primordial divine energy that created all things
[3:12:05 PM] Thubanis: No the clean male path is 1-3-5-8
[3:12:14 PM] Michael: its just a tool of that energy
[3:12:15 PM] Thubanis: Osiris-Horus-Thoth-Ptah
[3:12:32 PM] fates---: Horus is Daath?
[3:12:35 PM] Thubanis: The clean female path is 2-4-7
[3:12:51 PM] Thubanis: Isis-Bastet-Nephthys
[3:13:03 PM] Thubanis: Daath=11 is the 'hidden' path
[3:13:13 PM] Thubanis: Daath is 6-9-11
[3:13:15 PM] Michael: Ive really gotta break this down for you guys...
[3:13:31 PM] Thubanis: Hathor-Anubis-Daath=Lilith say
[3:13:53 PM] Thubanis: Set=10
[3:14:06 PM] fates---: Kingdom is Set
[3:14:22 PM] Thubanis: An even number by definition but faking Dragquen as 10=1+0=1 as Osiris' 'brother'
[3:14:43 PM] Thubanis: Malkuth is root = 10 and  Kether=Crown=1
[3:14:53 PM] fates---: yes, 10 is root
[3:14:59 PM] fates---: Kether is Ra
[3:15:13 PM] fates---: middle path
[3:15:14 PM] Thubanis: As an OLDER generation yes
[3:15:19 PM] Thubanis: There are 4 gens
[3:15:48 PM] Thubanis: Ra becomes Shu becomes Geb becomes Osiris-Set brotherhood
[3:16:20 PM] Thubanis: This is named differently by historical cultures, but all share the same story
[3:16:36 PM] fates---: Hmm ok, then we are thinking of the same construct
[3:16:44 PM] Thubanis: Middle path is 1-11-6-9-10 yes
[3:16:45 PM] fates---: 1 =  male? not so sure
[3:16:50 PM] fates---: yes
[3:16:58 PM] Thubanis: Odd numbers are male even are female
[3:17:10 PM] fates---: [8/24/12 10:12:10 PM] Wyzard: No the clean male path is 1-3-5-8
[3:17:15 PM] Thubanis: The exception is the BRIDGE 7-8 Nephthys-Ptah
[3:17:24 PM] fates---: The clean female path is 2-4-7-10
[3:17:42 PM] Thubanis: They allow the sexchange via the 'unclean' bisexes 6 and 9
[3:18:34 PM] Thubanis: Yes, Set is cosmically original Femme
[3:18:48 PM] Thubanis: The Wife of God in waiting
[3:18:55 PM] fates---: 1 = Ra 11 = Horus 9=Anubis 10=Set
[3:18:59 PM] fates---: what is 6?
[3:19:10 PM] Thubanis: No
[3:19:15 PM] Thubanis: Hathor=6
[3:19:25 PM] Thubanis: 3=Horus
[3:19:35 PM] Michael: kundalini is really very simple...  and I understand that you get it associated with sex and creative energy because it primarily resides around the lower chakras associated with survival procreation and whatnot.. energy collects and coils up in those areas when one focuses too much on the material/physical plane it doesnt matter if your focusing on sex or looking at a rock on the ground some energy is going to accumulate in the lower chakras that associate with the material world
[3:19:51 PM] Thubanis: The Old interpretations
[3:20:04 PM] Thubanis: Without the Daath=11 actually
[3:20:23 PM] Thubanis: 'No old humans are allowed' to enter the 'forbidden pathways'
[3:21:12 PM] Thubanis: You might find Devakas on MOA more akin your cosmology and ideas Michael
[3:28:54 PM] Ishtara Raven: well its as Jesus said, very few would be given or shown the truth, i am so frustrated with the whole lot of them these days. its sickening that no one can seem to see the true meaning of the GOT, its so beautiful
[3:29:10 PM] Thubanis: Yes as am I
[3:29:18 PM] Thubanis: Why I dont say much see
[3:29:24 PM] Thubanis: Pointless
[3:29:33 PM] Ishtara Raven: i am seriously ready to go on a full throttle rant on FB
[3:29:43 PM] Thubanis: Egomania rules their psyches
[3:29:48 PM] Ishtara Raven: likely piss them all off, so sick of it
[3:29:51 PM] Thubanis: Why not
[3:30:05 PM] Ishtara Raven: you have people posting the most absurd XXXX
[3:30:13 PM] Thubanis: Yep
[3:30:32 PM] Thubanis: Last days of prophecy Raven; it is necessary and to be expected
[3:30:33 PM] Ishtara Raven: i can see why Crowley was so hateful of the human race lol, he took it to extremes  of course
[3:30:49 PM] Thubanis: The 'great falling away from the cosmic truth' it is called
[3:31:16 PM] Thubanis: Yes he understood that sexuality is the salvation and nothing else
[3:31:23 PM] Thubanis: But he could not take it further in his abuse of substances and his megalomania too
[3:31:30 PM] Ishtara Raven: my blood is boiling, its like i dont know how much longer i can hold my tongue, and yet if i do speak, what then?
[3:31:40 PM] Thubanis: All ok
[3:31:50 PM] Thubanis: Look at the new earth chart
[3:31:59 PM] Thubanis: I added the 15 days as 4 corners
[3:32:18 PM] Thubanis: So August 9th - August 23rd
[3:32:21 PM] Ishtara Raven: are we in a WOC?
[3:32:33 PM] Ishtara Raven: why am i so pisssed
[3:32:50 PM] Thubanis: Becomes the 'death of the antichrist' in law and then manifested from September 27 - October 11
[3:32:58 PM] Thubanis: No deeper
[3:33:07 PM] Thubanis: The 'judgement was written'
[3:33:20 PM] Thubanis: August 23rd was the final day
[3:34:32 PM] Ishtara Raven: my dream last night was these two serpent snake hearts entwining, i was trying to help them entwine, but they were sort of fighting it and each had a side to tell me, i was downloaded with so much stuff, but all of what i mostly brought to my conscious mind is primal anger in a way. They finally merged into colors but i was struggling with them, arguing all night it seemed. i dont know what it means
[3:34:44 PM] *** Thubanis sent NewEarth.jpg ***
[3:35:04 PM] Thubanis: Yes because of August 23rd
[3:35:14 PM] Ishtara Raven: ok that makes sense it seems
[3:35:23 PM] Ishtara Raven: it was like something was finalized
[3:35:34 PM] Thubanis: Before the judgements can be executed they have to be legislated
[3:35:37 PM] Ishtara Raven: but man i seriously became like the mediator of the century in this dream
[3:36:00 PM] Thubanis: This legislation is 15 days a twin-Woc mirrored in a 'Day of the Lord'
[3:36:27 PM] Thubanis: Of course the witnesses testimony see
[3:36:48 PM] Thubanis: The 2 serpents are the lovehearts in the chart
[3:36:55 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes i realised this
[3:37:42 PM] Thubanis: Conception to Birth of antichrist blended with Anticonception to Antibirth of this same antiLogos energy
[3:37:45 PM] Ishtara Raven: and in a weird way Tony, I felt I was helping them somehow and it is related to you and DD and us all, i was like a defender stating my case and listening to both sides
[3:38:00 PM] Thubanis: The chart is clear to the days, even though they cant read it
[3:38:17 PM] Ishtara Raven: funny all day i thought of Oct 11th
[3:38:59 PM] fates---: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8YgaH2i8tM&t=10s
[3:39:01 PM] Thubanis: Should be shared with Xeia and Rok Raven
[3:39:47 PM] Thubanis: October 11th is an important nexus yes
[3:40:34 PM] Ishtara Raven: yeah likely you should send the chart in here
[3:40:39 PM] Ishtara Raven: the update
[3:40:59 PM] Thubanis: I meant the info about August 23rd and the 4 blocks of twin wocs
[3:41:23 PM] Thubanis: It is best looked at at MOA, where you can magnify it
[3:41:28 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes i know, but as reference i meant, i can see it on the chart
[3:41:53 PM] Thubanis: Yes, but since Xeia had those dreams as well I decided to say something about it
[3:42:22 PM] Ishtara Raven: well i think its significant, both our dreams
[3:42:41 PM] Ishtara Raven: she pegged the fear right on
[3:43:06 PM] Thubanis: Yes and regarding the Judas Gospel
[3:43:14 PM] Thubanis: I should say something
[3:43:30 PM] Thubanis: Judas becomes Judith
[3:43:43 PM] Thubanis: 'This is why he is called the 'Son of Perdition'
[3:43:57 PM] Thubanis: So fates, Judas in the bible is like Set
[3:44:19 PM] Thubanis: This is the key to understanding the Nag Hammadi stuff about Judas Iscariot
[3:44:43 PM] Thubanis: Much of the Nag Hammadi stuff is of a far lesser quality than the GOT
[3:45:14 PM] Thubanis: GOT rules supreme as the Logos words of the transfigured cosmic Jesus as a universal waveform
[3:45:19 PM] fates---: hmm, interesting, Judas is like Set
[3:45:27 PM] Thubanis: Yes, or anyone in the duality
[3:45:34 PM] Ishtara Raven: oh my spider must be ok, i checked the Roses this morning and it was gone, so maybe you were right Susan, 'she' was building an egg nest of sorts. I didnt know what was going on last night so i became concerned when it seemed she was getting caught in her web and exhausted.
[3:45:41 PM] Thubanis: Everyone is Judas becoming Judith
[3:45:46 PM] fates---: brb
[3:45:59 PM] Thubanis: August 23rd Raven
[3:46:21 PM] Thubanis: This date is so potent as the Transit of the Sun from Leo into Virgo
[3:46:32 PM] Ishtara Raven: yeah the cusp, i had forgot about it
[3:46:36 PM] Thubanis: Your spider is losing its virginity lol
[3:46:42 PM] Ishtara Raven: the Spider was trying to tell me lol
[3:46:57 PM] Thubanis: Yes, the Dragon Dates became empowered exactly 1 month ago
[3:47:20 PM] Thubanis: MM-Day of the Ingressing  Leo Sun from Cancer with the Mother-Father symbol of the ancients
[3:48:40 PM] Ishtara Raven: well maybe i will post all this stuff about the black Lilith moons on FB,
[3:48:44 PM] Thubanis: Recall Every Day from July 4th, 2011 to December 21st, 2012 is part of the Barbelo-Yalda creation preceding the Big Bang
[3:48:53 PM] Thubanis: Sure
[3:49:08 PM] Thubanis: I might put relevant parts of this convo on the forums
[3:49:16 PM] Thubanis: As Susan wanted
[3:49:20 PM] Ishtara Raven: yeah
[3:49:30 PM] Ishtara Raven: a whole Lilith expose
[3:49:36 PM] Thubanis: Indeed
[3:49:47 PM] Thubanis: This is a nice video too
[3:49:54 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes i was watching it
[3:49:55 PM] Thubanis: Lilith
[3:50:03 PM] Ishtara Raven: great immagry
[3:50:33 PM] Thubanis: Yes Kali is awakened
[3:50:41 PM] Thubanis: Ask Sui too
[3:50:53 PM] Thubanis: Kali awakening date was July 22nd
[3:51:00 PM] Ishtara Raven: i got all excited today and i think i will get myself a new computer and take some classes on photo manipulation and illustration. i have all these ideas fermenting.
[3:51:26 PM] Thubanis: I do the chart now or fates will haunt me
[3:51:32 PM] Ishtara Raven: lol go go
[3:51:36 PM] Thubanis: Gracias
[5:31:36 PM] fates---: im back
[6:07:45 PM] fates---: (coffee) Asleepy
[6:09:29 PM] fates---: [8/24/12 10:51:30 PM] Wyzard: I do the chart now or fates will haunt me
[6:10:06 PM] fates---: (chuckle)
[6:11:28 PM] fates---: |-) Well, im going to get some sleep i think.  I'll be online tomorrow
[6:40:09 PM] *** Thubanis sent fates.gif ***
[6:40:38 PM] Thubanis: I hope this is without errors
[6:40:55 PM] Thubanis: I leave it up until further notice
[6:51:09 PM] fates---: Hey Tony, im still awake
[6:52:50 PM] Thubanis: Sure, some of this data will be shared on the forums
[6:52:50 PM] fates---: are you sure thats the right one?
[6:53:05 PM] Thubanis: yes
[6:53:23 PM] Thubanis: This is your chart with the astromath describing your natal chart
[6:53:51 PM] fates---: i think you sent the old one
[6:54:08 PM] *** fates--- sent Fates (incomplete) .gif ***
[6:54:23 PM] Thubanis: No you see Lilith on in descriptions in green?
[6:54:47 PM] fates---: nope
[6:55:46 PM] *** Thubanis sent FatesSwanson.jpeg ***
[6:56:26 PM] Thubanis: Sorry, yes, you were correct
[6:56:38 PM] fates---: a ha! AWESOME!
[6:57:00 PM] fates---: dark moon is right between libara and virgo
[6:57:08 PM] Thubanis: Yours is the first and only Thuban chart with Lilith in it for now
[6:57:09 PM] fates---: Thanks soo much!
[6:57:13 PM] Thubanis: Np
[6:57:22 PM] fates---: wow
[6:57:24 PM] Thubanis: Yes Descendant
[6:57:47 PM] Thubanis: Is the line between Libra and Virgo
[6:57:59 PM] fates---: what does that mean?
[6:58:19 PM] Thubanis: Just definition on the partitioning of the zodiak
[6:58:53 PM] fates---: What does the major aspect mean? :)
[6:59:56 PM] Thubanis: Dominant astroaspects
[7:00:23 PM] Thubanis: All of your planets are basically in conjunctions
[7:00:35 PM] Thubanis: Why you have empty houses
[7:00:42 PM] fates---: Ruler of the MidHeaven = Noon and Decendent = Dusk
[7:00:51 PM] Thubanis: but this you can analyse yourself using your books
[7:01:16 PM] Thubanis: No your midheaven is the triple conjunction why it is dominant
[7:01:34 PM] Thubanis: The mathcodes say this in shorthand
[7:01:52 PM] fates---: ah i see
[7:02:11 PM] Thubanis: Yes there are many more codes like sextiles and stuff
[7:02:22 PM] Thubanis: As said I dont place much importance on those
[7:02:43 PM] Thubanis: But many older astrodescriptions are ok there
[7:02:59 PM] Thubanis: It is that I concentrate on the most powerful things
[7:03:35 PM] Ishtara Raven: hello
[7:03:43 PM] Ishtara Raven: can anyone see this
[7:03:50 PM] fates---: hmm, so overall in the Thuban context, what can you scry from this?
[7:04:22 PM] Thubanis: You are to reinvent yourself
[7:05:11 PM] fates---: interesting, so what i was previously destoned to be is now different
[7:06:20 PM] fates---: if my soul didnt scribe the nero pathways of this body/brain, and i didnt not make the choices i did, this body would have been someone fated far differerently
[7:06:44 PM] Thubanis: No I dont see this. I see it as a astrocross
[7:06:59 PM] Thubanis: Look at midheaven you are across houses 9 and 10
[7:07:04 PM] Thubanis: In the Fatherhood
[7:07:19 PM] Thubanis: But the Motherhood is only 3 and not 4 and 4 is vacant
[7:07:33 PM] Thubanis: So the imbalance is to redesign your 4th house
[7:07:45 PM] fates---: Family
[7:07:57 PM] Thubanis: This then activates the cross with the Ascendant and the Descendant
[7:08:07 PM] fates---: thats an oxy moron for me, i dont desire to have a family
[7:08:21 PM] fates---: i already have one outside of this realm
[7:08:47 PM] Thubanis: What I mean cosmic communication replacing old human one
[7:09:00 PM] Thubanis: Cosmic family for the human one this on all levels

[2:52:07 PM - Saturday, August 25th, 2012]
Thubanis: http://darkstarastrology.com/triple-moon-goddess-lilith-astrology/
[2:52:43 PM] Thubanis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYZCbvGOx4c

[2:53:05 PM] Thubanis:

The Astronomical Lilith

The Moon travels along an elliptical path around the Earth. An ellipse has two focal points, and the other focal point, not occupied by the Earth has been called the Dark Moon, the Black Moon or Lilith. This is a slightly simplified definition, since, actually, the Moon and the Earth both move around their common centre of gravity, and the path of the Moon is not a neat el...lipse, but a rather wobbly affair. One must distinguish between the mean orbit of the Moon, which is a slowly elongating ellipse, and the actual orbit, which vaccilates around the mean path, due to interference of various kinds. Just as there a "mean" and a "true" Lunar Node, so there is a "mean" and a "true" ellipse and a "mean" and a "true" Lilith. I write "true" in inverted commas, because the Moon's Node is only "true" about twice per month, when the Moon is actually on it, for the rest of the time, it is as "untrue" as the mean Node. In fact, when working with a point so close to the Earth, one should also take the great parallax into consideration, i.e. consider, from which point on the Earth one is actually looking at a point in the heavens. Astrology observes the planets geocentrically, as if from the Earth's centre, and not topocentrically, from the actual place of the observer.

Black Moon Lilith is the ultimate archetype in Dark Goddess Astrology. Her myth comes from Lilith, Adams first wife who refused to lay beneath him during the sexual act and otherwise.

She chose to be exiled from paradise rather to submit to God. She is also the serpent who tempted Eve with the forbidden fruit (enlightenment/sex), which then banished both Adam & Eve from paradise also.

There are many full versions of this myth on the net She can be said she represents the Witch archetype. Magic, the kundalini, occult knowledge, the taboo, owning your sovereignty, the shadow, dreams, psychic ability, goddess power and creativity that is not just about making babies.

With Black Moon Lilith there are two points that you can place in the chart. The Mean and the True (or Osculating.) I used to think the True wasn't important until I saw it rising in the chart of Marilyn Monroe and then decided to look it up and see if it was relevant. Bear in mind you really need an accurate birthtime to use True Lilith as it wavers so much. Mean Lilith is best to use without a time. I like what Juan Antonio Revilla says about it here:

"The Mean Apogee or Black Moon... It's movement is actually as round and regular as the hands of a clock and it is very easy to calculate. This roundness of its motion is not a good representative of the nocturnal and magic demoness Lilith; "he goes onto say. "The Osculating Apogee,... Some people reject it because it doesn't make any sense to them to have it swing as much as 30 degrees from the mean position and have abrupt and irregular changes of velocity and direction, but I think it is precisely this erratic behavior what makes it the best representative of the irrational, instinctive, and primal symbolism of Lilith."

[2:54:54 PM] Thubanis: As you can see, the manifesto of the REAL LILITH will be that embodied by ANY DQBee
[2:55:07 PM] Thubanis: I am doing fates chart now
[2:57:29 PM] Thubanis: Interestingly, September 12th, 2011 was the actual Conception of the Antichrist, manifesting in the 'loss of true core love' as some of us recall. This is emphasized on the New Earth chart              
[7:06:18 PM] Ishtara Raven:

(22) Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, "These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom."
They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?"
Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom."

The Testimony of the World Logos from Thuban

Regarding your Temple of Solomon link and the '15 cubits'

[8:15:44 PM-Monday, August 27th, 2012 (+10UCT)]
Thubanis:

Genesis.6.15-18:
¹⁵And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.
¹⁶A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.
¹⁷And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
¹⁸But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.

Genesis.7.17-20:
¹⁷And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
¹⁸And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
¹⁹And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
²⁰Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

The Dimensions of the Ark relate to the 15 Cubits as the 15 days of the WOC Offset and the timewarp - see below. 300x50x30=450,000=15x30,000 in the ratio 30:5:3 and LengthxArea=300x1500 in ratio 1:5 in the height of the Ark of 30 cubits being covered in 15 cubits of water that is halfway as 30+15=45. The total 'Height' of the Flood, to 'cover the mountains', so is 150% the Height of the Ark. The 'StarHuman Merkabah' is defined in a wavelength of √15=2πR=πD for 3D/2=3√15/2π=1.849...

The ratio 5:3=1.666.. approximates the Golden Mean (Y=1.618033...) in the Fibonacci Series: 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21...in adjacent numbers and so the decoding for the 'Ancient Span' or 'Foot' as 3 'Handbreadths' becomes 0.308 centimeters or about 12 'inches' with 24 inches or 2 'Spans' defining the 'Ancient Cubit' (6 Cubit/4 Cubit=108/72=3/2) as the Inverse of the Golden Mean as 1/Y=X=0.618033...~0.616...and for 6 'foot' or 6 'spans' of 72 'inches' being the 'Height of a StarMan' as approximately 6 'foot' or 4 'cubits' or 18 'handbreadths' of so 185 cm - again in the 3/2 or 150% ratio.

The 'Ancient Cubit' then becomes the 'Measurement Unit'.

The 15 day Offset of the warptime and the Dimensions of the Arkian Merkabah - see above and related messages.

[8:17:19 PM] Thubanis: [3:33:40 PM] Thubanis: Oh ok, yes I was looking at your Solomon link
[3:33:57 PM] Thubanis: Yes he has figured that the temple is the starhuman merkabah
[3:34:32 PM] Thubanis: Yes August 22nd, was when Sun ingressed Virgo
[3:34:35 PM] Ishtara Raven: yeah i found that link following the crop circle links on the descriptions
[3:34:44 PM] Thubanis: This is a month of the Lion see
[3:35:04 PM] Thubanis: MM=CJ entwining JC
[3:35:06 PM] Ishtara Raven: yeah i think Dawns birthday is the 31st of August.
[3:35:10 PM] Thubanis: Leo-Virgo
[3:35:49 PM] Thubanis: Unicorn is Virgo, why the royals have this as the ultimate 'secret sign' in Britain
[3:35:59 PM] Ishtara Raven: we never really have stayed in touch much, she has always been sort of a pompous one, until recently
[3:36:04 PM] Thubanis: In their emblems of the ptb
[3:36:14 PM] Ishtara Raven: oh i wondered
[3:36:32 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes i noticed a lot of unicorns in their sygils
[3:37:26 PM] Ishtara Raven: but i found it interesting this guy seemed to realise the temple is the human body, i had not seen anyone besides us decode this before
[3:37:35 PM] Thubanis: Yes as we know for years
[3:37:56 PM] Ishtara Raven: his name is Tony too lol
[3:37:56 PM] Thubanis: His 120 cubit is our 144 cubit of Revelation too
[3:38:33 PM] Thubanis: Your last or third last post was even named after 144 cubits
[3:38:47 PM] Ishtara Raven: yeah i read through his descriptions and such and his take on the big bull basin
[3:39:11 PM] Thubanis: The magic 15 of Noah's ark fits into the 120
[3:39:31 PM] Thubanis: This is another key
[3:39:42 PM] Thubanis: Noone really never made any sense of this
[3:39:43 PM] Thubanis: wait
[3:40:28 PM] Ishtara Raven: well it astounds me how many people have visited his site, our stuff is so much more comprehensive though, detailed.
[3:40:52 PM] Thubanis: Now take this literally
[3:41:08 PM] Ishtara Raven: you cant it makes no sense
[3:41:17 PM] Ishtara Raven: 15 cubits would not cover a mountain lol
[3:41:39 PM] Thubanis:

Genesis 7:16-24
¹⁶ And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in.
¹⁷ And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
¹⁸ And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
¹⁹ And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
²⁰ Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
²¹ And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
²² All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
²³ And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
²⁴ And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

[3:41:46 PM] Thubanis: Indeed
[3:42:09 PM] Thubanis: 1 cubit is 18 inches or so 45 cm
[3:42:28 PM] Thubanis: 150=120+30 etc
[3:42:28 PM] Ishtara Raven: wow no one has realised this yet i bet lol
[3:43:09 PM] Thubanis: Mathematically it relates to sqrt(15) as the size of the Vitruvius egg

[3:43:22 PM] Ishtara Raven: weird enough we all watched the prince of egypt tonight, annimation about Moses and Carla loved it, but she did not understand why God had to kill those Egyptian babies
[3:43:41 PM] Ishtara Raven: the first born
[3:44:18 PM] Thubanis: Because as wavelength this becomes a very good approximatrion of the Golden Mean and on this the 'dimensions' of the ark are stated
[3:44:38 PM] Thubanis: Its symbolic tell her this NEVER happened
[3:44:48 PM] Ishtara Raven: and then the sand surrounded Moses and she told me she had a scarry dream about sand englufing Seattle, a huge sand storm.
[3:44:57 PM] Thubanis: It is the same as Abraham 'sacrificing' Isaac
[3:45:09 PM] Ishtara Raven: yeah i told her
[3:45:25 PM] Thubanis: Then an 'angel' says to 'sacrifice' a Ram instead
[3:45:33 PM] Thubanis: The Ram is the firstborn get it?
[3:45:35 PM] Thubanis: As Aries
[3:45:40 PM] Thubanis: Reuben
[3:45:45 PM] Ishtara Raven: she has been reading too much crap on the internet about the rapture, asks me daily about it and i tell her what it means, not the nabs BS you know
[3:45:53 PM] Ishtara Raven: oh wow yeah
[3:46:00 PM] Thubanis: It MEANS changing the Inheritance
[3:46:11 PM] Thubanis: From the firstborn to the nextborn
[3:46:22 PM] Thubanis: Jesus lineage was NOT first see
[3:46:26 PM] Thubanis: It was the fourth in Judah after Reuben Aries, Simeon Taurus and Levi Gemini
[3:46:31 PM] Ishtara Raven: true
[3:47:00 PM] Thubanis: This then is made clear in Reuben-Aries-Ishmael-Pharez-Mannaseh-Esau-Cain ...
[3:47:04 PM] Ishtara Raven: well i will try to make sense of it for her, somehow. between her dad and internet crap she is confused a bit, but its ok she is so young
[3:47:06 PM] Thubanis: Losing their birthright as firstborns to the secondborns, often encoded as twins
[3:47:36 PM] Thubanis: Well I consider it VERY important, you telling the true story amidst the crapola
[3:48:10 PM] Thubanis: It is not hard use the bible codes and interpret them correctly
[3:48:12 PM] Ishtara Raven: well i try, i am not so hot at conveying things to her though, i have to non-complicate it for her somehow
[3:48:42 PM] Thubanis: Ram=1st and Pisces=12
[3:48:53 PM] Thubanis: So alpha omega ourobos
[3:49:07 PM] Thubanis: Head becomes Tail and vice versa
[3:49:23 PM] Thubanis: Jesus said it: "The first will be last and the last first'
[3:49:41 PM] Thubanis: This means many other things though as well
[3:49:57 PM] Ishtara Raven: right
[3:50:49 PM] Thubanis: If Carla watches a movie where 'babies' are slaughtered, then this is only a story to exemplify something deeper for people who cant read or write
[3:51:25 PM] Thubanis: So I would make it very clear to her, that this is human MISUNDERSTANDING of the deeper story
[3:51:28 PM] Ishtara Raven: well i had not seen it before and i didnt know until it came up
[3:51:34 PM] Ishtara Raven: i was a bit horrified
[3:51:52 PM] Thubanis: I know of it. It relates to Herod's slaughter after Bethlehem recall?
[3:52:01 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes
[3:52:07 PM] Thubanis: Same archetype
[3:52:09 PM] Ishtara Raven: he also killed all the first born
[3:52:22 PM] Thubanis: Yes it is the Passover symbol
[3:52:44 PM] Thubanis: Try to tell Carla, this has become Easter Eggs and rebirth now
[3:52:51 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes because God instructed Moses to paint all the doors with lambs blood, this has deeper meaning as well
[3:53:07 PM] Thubanis: Resurrection also meaning Winter is followed by Spring and new fertility
[3:53:16 PM] Thubanis: Sunshine after the nights
[3:53:27 PM] Thubanis: Yes same thing
[3:53:34 PM] Ishtara Raven: well she is really taken by all this rapture stuff
[3:53:42 PM] Thubanis: The Lambs are the Rams of Reuben
[3:54:00 PM] Thubanis: Rapture?
[3:54:09 PM] Thubanis: Not fundamentalist religion
[3:54:35 PM] Thubanis: Tell her that Moses is an OFFICE he never existed as a singular person
[3:54:51 PM] Thubanis: The Dead Sea never parted in 3D
[3:55:01 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes all that stuff on the internet about God whisking away his chosen. she says its on dec 21st lol. i hugged her today and kissed her and i said the rapture was this, our moment now loveing each other and being together as a family.
[3:55:15 PM] Thubanis: There was an historical exodus, but this was 1450 BC
[3:55:30 PM] Thubanis: Oh dear
[3:55:32 PM] Thubanis: Yes
[3:55:55 PM] Ishtara Raven: so in a way she is excited but afraid too of being separated from me and such
[3:56:06 PM] Thubanis: There will be NO difference in 3d perception between December 21st and December 22nd
[3:56:22 PM] Thubanis: The earth will look rather the same
[3:56:32 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes i tell her these things
[3:56:38 PM] Thubanis: What will have changed is the data matrix of the cosmos
[3:56:59 PM] Thubanis: The outer space Will be able to contact and physicalise
[3:57:04 PM] Ishtara Raven: i try very hard to separate her fictional impressions from reality and speak truthfully to her
[3:57:12 PM] Thubanis: This is all in an immediate 3D sense
[3:57:26 PM] Thubanis: The metaphysics however will be forever changed
[3:57:34 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes i have told her about contact and telling her that she will be teaching me lol
[3:58:07 PM] Thubanis: Yes dreams will be more intensive getting more and more 'real' in blending the higherD with the 3D
[3:58:23 PM] Thubanis: So all this will and is already happening
[3:58:41 PM] Thubanis: For us it is the Breaking of the Coccon though
[3:58:51 PM] Thubanis: Contact will manifest sometime after this
[3:59:22 PM] Ishtara Raven: what do you make of her sandstorm dream, i guess this was a few days ago or so, after we built the sand castles she told me tonight of this dream. She said she was on the beach and a huge sand storm came up and buried all of Seattle and she was afraid.
[3:59:23 PM] Thubanis: Hopefully earlier than later
[3:59:43 PM] Thubanis: It is the incoming wave
[4:00:04 PM] Thubanis: Now only 4 lightmonths away
[4:00:13 PM] Ishtara Raven: the scene in the movie of Moses being caught and buried in a sandstorm is what triggered her memory
[4:00:23 PM] Thubanis: Sandstorms and tsunamis whatever, same symbol
[4:00:50 PM] Ishtara Raven: hmmm interesting, yeah i felt similar about it, that she is picking up on the true exodus
[4:00:59 PM] Thubanis: Of course
[4:01:00 PM] Ishtara Raven: the real metaphysical flood
[4:01:06 PM] Thubanis: yes
[4:01:21 PM] Thubanis: Its a mental war between truth and falsehood
[4:01:35 PM] Thubanis: Cosmic Logos versus antilogi
[4:01:45 PM] Thubanis: Outer space versus Inner space

<<< http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/hackpenhill3/comments.html
http://cube-it.webs.com/
http://www.templesecrets.info/

Thought this was interesting, crop circle reported on the 26th
http://www.templesecrets.info/sexsymb.html

Check this out, all his stuff is heavily copywritten. I just discovered this site while looking through the links on this latest crop circle. He has some interesting diagrams of the temple of Solomon being related to the human body
It might be asked: Why would the Temple involve sex? – and the short answer is 1) because it displays a definite Edenic theme in its decorations and architecture and 2)  Eden itself was a place of fertility, displaying the Creator’s powers to produce all manner of life in abundance and 3) the land of Israel, the Promised Land, is biblically presented as the new Eden. And finally and more importantly, 4) the Divine plan for mankind’s spiritual redemp-tion is portrayed through the human birthing process, and since this process involves sex, the Temple portrays spiritual redemption in human sexual terms.

Raven LionHeart 45

"Prove to Me That You're No Fool!!
Walk Across My Swimming Pool!!"

Aquaries1111 wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Carol wrote:I've come to think more recently that the Bible is the play book that they follow.  Who is to say that time travelers didn't have something to do with writing parts of the Bible from the onset?  In fact, that time travel does occur it makes me wonder just how much is manipulated.  With elitiest Geroge Bush Sr. involved with the time travel program since the sixties - that just chills my bones.

I mean - how much wealth and how much power does one need, crave or desire?  For some, they appear to be a bottomless pit and they are to be pitied.

Dance with the devil and the devil will take his own.

What if the world has been exactly the way God has wanted it to be -- for thousands of years -- right up to this very day?? What if the Bible is a combination of verdict, sentence, script, IQ-Test, etc?? I've come to the conclusion that Theology and the Bible are NOT fun subjects -- but that they are VERY necessary subjects for us to study -- if we wish to have a fighting-chance of extricating ourselves from what often seems to be a hopeless situation (when one thinks VERY deeply about what's REALLY been going on in this Solar System). But most people don't have a clue -- and don't give a damn -- so why should we agonize about the Fate of Humanity -- especially when THAT makes us a threat. My public wi-fi access to this site has been blocked for several weeks now. I'm pretty much done with my little tempest in a teapot on this site. This doesn't mean that I'm going to stop thinking -- but I think I'm going to do a lot less talking -- and a lot more listening and watching. BTW -- I was told by someone who should know -- that the Bush-Clan sold-out VERY quickly. Nuff Said.

Aquaries1111 wrote:Oxy, I respect that we all do need our space at times but please do not be a stranger.  I have reserved a special place for you to meet me in the dream state should you intend to travel "off planet".  Should I find you there, I will offer you a "Tulip"... and show you around the place.. maybe you have a thing or two you can show me... Perhaps that special back room entry you have been looking for "full of sacred knowledge" is in some secret space in the Galaxy reserved only for you.. never say never..

August 17th to August 31st 1987 in Ibiza is where I spent the Harmonic Convergence.. Something past of mine, to share with you now...  May all your dreams come true...

           


"This Thread is Only the Beginning. I Am of Peace. Always."
http://www.thenazareneway.com/Lucifer%20Satan%20or%20Goddess.htm
http://www.thenazareneway.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FFQ15fo75E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP41a1eyWkU&feature=fvwrel

The Goddess of America's Founding Fathers
http://www.thenazareneway.com/Goddess%20of%20Founding%20Fathers.htm
(I am neither supporting or condemning this article)  

The signs are everywhere to be found. The resurrection of the Goddess was intended to take place in the United States of America.

And if ancient prophesy can be trusted, the New Golden Age of Enlightenment will begin with the Winter Solstice, 2012!

WWJD??

Check this out!! http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0122.htm

Christ About His Father's Business

A Sermon
(No. 122)
Delivered on Sabbath Morning, March 15, 1857, by the
REV. C. H. Spurgeon
at the Music Hall, Royal Surrey Gardens.

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"Wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?"—Luke 2:49

"Mankind has GREAT Potential
and
MUCH to Prove."

magamud wrote:Since we have fallen Jesus knew when he made the second covenant it would fracture and destroy Satans Dream over time. He is warning us. This im sure can translate into basic physics. He also further reminds us that if you fight the system they will give you up to Judges and take everything from you.

He tells you to buy a sword to protect yourself in these times. Im sure this was not easy for Jesus to do as he mentions I wish it was kindled already. Another reason he mentions he comes Quickly and that the Father spares us in the end times by making them shorter.