The University of Solar System Studies

magamud wrote:

magamud wrote:Can there be anything worse then a sociopathic Technocracy?  Of course not.  This is why Jesus came when he came to let you know the limits of Gods grace.  That is why he predicted what will come to give you signs of his return.  The Division amongst us is due to straying away from gods law.  Order out of chaos?  Jesus reminds you of the wayward flock and no one left behind policy.  There is nothing to fear.  His burden is light.

orthodoxymoron wrote:The St. John Passion and the St. Matthew Passion by J.S. Bach are two of my all-time favorites. I'm wondering if the Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer trio are really a discordant-duet?? What if one or both play multiple roles?? What if the Creator got kicked-out of the Garden of Eden?? What if the one who kicked-out the Creator has been running the show in this Solar System ever since?? This might explain a lot of the secrecy. On the other hand, what if this whole thing is a Sting or a Galactic Rat Trap?? What if the War in Heaven and the Great Controversy are Archangelic False Flags to create a Power-Vacuum to Cleanse the Sanctuary of That Which Defiles?? What if one of the Archangels decided that Humanity needed to be Educated by Adversity?? Perhaps we should not despise the Chastening of the Lord. Are we dealing with a very real Pinky and the Brain?? What if we are dealing with a Crazy-Maker and a Crazy-Faker??!! What if BOTH are Genius and Insane -- but in very different ways?? What if a False-Flag turned into the Real-Deal?? What if we are presently dealing with a WMD Hostage Situation?? What if the deception is many levels deep -- and very dark?? Are the lies different at every level?? Are we dealing with the Father and Mother of Lies?? "What is one to do -- when to rule men it is necessary to deceive them?" What if we are dealing with a Galactic Marital Spat?? What if we are dealing with a Custody-Battle?? What if we are dealing with Cain v Abel?? What if a supposedly dead or completely removed Archangel unexpectedly returned in 1947. What if that was when the "Bitch Got Back"??!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGGy20hOB0s

magamud wrote:Star Trek A Taste of Armageddon

Sanicle wrote:

I know that some of you hate me - and hate what I post. I can understand that. If I were on the other side of the fence - I'd hate all of this too. I actually hate myself, at this point, because of my being so miserable and unproductive - and because of what I think I might've done in previous incarnations - or even prior to any incarnation into physicality. I think I hate myself more than you could ever hate me. I don't hate any of you - but just about everyone annoys me - regardless of whether they are good or bad - human or otherwise.

It really saddens me to read this orthodoxymoron, especially that you hate yourself.  Please don't.  I see you as a good man, working your butt off to help this planet and everyone on it, and I'm sure many here appreciate what you're trying to do and see this thread in the same way.  Maybe no-one here debates you because you are 'preaching to the converted' at the Mists and I believe (although I don't presume to speak for everyone) that we all have our own version of your constitution in our hearts and minds anyway, agreeing with your intent.  So why would we debate you?

Again I send you     and  

Sanicle wrote:Dear ODM, believe me when I tell you that I know what it's like to be obsessed with an ideal/dream that no-one else seems to want to listen to.  I've been there myself and it can be a heart-breaking place to be...very lonely.  Although I also learned 'down the track' that I did touch people that I hadn't been aware of consciously.  Maybe those few were all that were meant.  I don't kid myself that I'm evolved enough to know the answers to such things.

But I myself had to accept in the end that 'the world' wasn't interested in my dream and that that was OK.  I also discovered that when we are acting from our hearts we are never alone, even if outward appearances would have us believe we are, as They are with us and open new doors for us when the old ones close.  There are myriad ways in which we can do our bit to help.  

Please don't misunderstand me telling you this. I'm not saying that letting go is what you should do.  That's not my call, only your's and Those you work with.  I just wanted you to know that I understand some of what you're going through and care.  



Edit: I just caught this---

The ones who you are directing this post to are not going to challenge you
nor even respond, as they know your words are justified and they are afraid of you and people like you who have compassion,empathy,consideration,thoughtfulness,humaneness,and love. So don't be afraid just love and be a peace with yourself.

ORTHODOXYMORON CRASHING THE NEW WORLD ORDER PARTY

Mercuriel wrote:How do You know that an Archangel hasn't already responded ?

Mercuriel wrote:As We are Angelics in Matter - Some of the Archangelics - Not presently known in Classical Literature or even Esoterica as such but nonetheless Archangelics - Have taken on the Flesh as well to assist at this Juncture in Human History...

Its the Big Party Holmes and Everyones Invited - Including Archangelics...



That said - I'd definately say They're Posting on the Net and making Their presence known...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp_RHnQ-jgU

Carol wrote:Confirmation to exactly what he just reported on Drudge..

[link to www.mcclatchydc.com]

Obama’s crackdown views leaks as aiding enemies of U.S.

Read more here: [link to www.mcclatchydc.com]


WASHINGTON — Even before a former U.S. intelligence contractor exposed the secret collection of Americans’ phone records, the Obama administration was pressing a government-wide crackdown on security threats that requires federal employees to keep closer tabs on their co-workers and exhorts managers to punish those who fail to report their suspicions.

President Barack Obama’s unprecedented initiative, known as the Insider Threat Program, is sweeping in its reach. It has received scant public attention even though it extends beyond the U.S. national security bureaucracies to most federal departments and agencies nationwide, including the Peace Corps, the Social Security Administration and the Education and Agriculture departments. It emphasizes leaks of classified material, but catchall definitions of “insider threat” give agencies latitude to pursue and penalize a range of other conduct.

Government documents reviewed by McClatchy illustrate how some agencies are using that latitude to pursue unauthorized disclosures of any information, not just classified material. They also show how millions of federal employees and contractors must watch for “high-risk persons or behaviors” among co-workers and could face penalties, including criminal charges, for failing to report them. Leaks to the media are equated with espionage.

“Hammer this fact home . . . leaking is tantamount to aiding the enemies of the United States,” says a June 1, 2012, Defense Department strategy for the program that was obtained by McClatchy.

The Obama administration is expected to hasten the program’s implementation as the government grapples with the fallout from the leaks of top secret documents by Edward Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor who revealed the agency’s secret telephone data collection program. The case is only the latest in a series of what the government condemns as betrayals by “trusted insiders” who have harmed national security.

“Leaks related to national security can put people at risk,” Obama said on May 16 in defending criminal investigations into leaks. “They can put men and women in uniform that I’ve sent into the battlefield at risk. They can put some of our intelligence officers, who are in various, dangerous situations that are easily compromised, at risk. . . . So I make no apologies, and I don’t think the American people would expect me as commander in chief not to be concerned about information that might compromise their missions or might get them killed.”

As part of the initiative, Obama ordered greater protection for whistleblowers who use the proper internal channels to report official waste, fraud and abuse, but that’s hardly comforting to some national security experts and current and former U.S. officials. They worry that the Insider Threat Program won’t just discourage whistleblowing but will have other grave consequences for the public’s right to know and national security.

The program could make it easier for the government to stifle the flow of unclassified and potentially vital information to the public, while creating toxic work environments poisoned by unfounded suspicions and spurious investigations of loyal Americans, according to these current and former officials and experts. Some non-intelligence agencies already are urging employees to watch their co-workers for “indicators” that include stress, divorce and financial problems.

“It was just a matter of time before the Department of Agriculture or the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) started implementing, ‘Hey, let’s get people to snitch on their friends.’ The only thing they haven’t done here is reward it,” said Kel McClanahan, a Washington lawyer who specializes in national security law. “I’m waiting for the time when you turn in a friend and you get a $50 reward.”

The Defense Department anti-leak strategy obtained by McClatchy spells out a zero-tolerance policy. Security managers, it says, “must” reprimand or revoke the security clearances – a career-killing penalty – of workers who commit a single severe infraction or multiple lesser breaches “as an unavoidable negative personnel action.”

Employees must turn themselves and others in for failing to report breaches. “Penalize clearly identifiable failures to report security infractions and violations, including any lack of self-reporting,” the strategic plan says.

The Obama administration already was pursuing an unprecedented number of leak prosecutions, and some in Congress – long one of the most prolific spillers of secrets – favor tightening restrictions on reporters’ access to federal agencies, making many U.S. officials reluctant to even disclose unclassified matters to the public.

The policy, which partly relies on behavior profiles, also could discourage creative thinking and fuel conformist “group think” of the kind that was blamed for the CIA’s erroneous assessment that Iraq was hiding weapons of mass destruction, a judgment that underpinned the 2003 U.S. invasion.

“The real danger is that you get a bland common denominator working in the government,” warned Ilana Greenstein, a former CIA case officer who says she quit the agency after being falsely accused of being a security risk. “You don’t get people speaking up when there’s wrongdoing. You don’t get people who look at things in a different way and who are willing to stand up for things. What you get are people who toe the party line, and that’s really dangerous for national security.”

Obama launched the Insider Threat Program in October 2011 after Army Pfc. Bradley Manning downloaded hundreds of thousands of documents from a classified computer network and sent them to WikiLeaks, the anti-government secrecy group. It also followed the 2009 killing of 13 people at Fort Hood, Texas, by Army Maj. Nidal Hasan, an attack that federal authorities failed to prevent even though they were monitoring his emails to an al Qaida-linked Islamic cleric.

An internal review launched after Manning’s leaks found “wide disparities” in the abilities of U.S. intelligence agencies to detect security risks and determined that all needed improved defenses.

Obama’s executive order formalizes broad practices that the intelligence agencies have followed for years to detect security threats and extends them to agencies that aren’t involved in national security policy but can access classified networks. Across the government, new policies are being developed.

There are, however, signs of problems with the program. Even though it severely restricts the use of removable storage devices on classified networks, Snowden, the former NSA contractor who revealed the agency’s telephone data collection operations, used a thumb drive to acquire the documents he leaked to two newspapers.

“Nothing that’s been done in the past two years stopped Snowden, and so that fact alone casts a shadow over this whole endeavor,” said Steven Aftergood, director of the non-profit Federation of American Scientists’ Project on Government Secrecy. “Whatever they’ve done is apparently inadequate.”

U.S. history is replete with cases in which federal agencies missed signs that trusted officials and military officers were stealing secrets. The CIA, for example, failed for some time to uncover Aldrich Ames, a senior officer who was one of the most prolific Soviet spies in U.S. history, despite polygraphs, drunkenness, and sudden and unexplained wealth.

Stopping a spy or a leaker has become even more difficult as the government continues to accumulate information in vast computer databases and has increased the number of people granted access to classified material to nearly 5 million.

Administration officials say the program could help ensure that agencies catch a wide array of threats, especially if employees are properly trained in recognizing behavior that identifies potential security risks.

“If this is done correctly, an organization can get to a person who is having personal issues or problems that if not addressed by a variety of social means may lead that individual to violence, theft or espionage before it even gets to that point,” said a senior Pentagon official, who requested anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to discuss the issue publicly.

Manning, for instance, reportedly was reprimanded for posting YouTube messages describing the interior of a classified intelligence facility where he worked. He also exhibited behavior that could have forewarned his superiors that he posed a security risk, officials said.

Jonathan Pollard, a former U.S. Navy intelligence analyst sentenced in 1987 to life in prison for spying for Israel, wasn’t investigated even though he’d failed polygraph tests and lied to his supervisors. He was caught only after a co-worker saw him leave a top-secret facility with classified documents.

“If the folks who are watching within an organization for that insider threat – the lawyers, security officials and psychologists – can figure out that an individual is having money problems or decreased work performance and that person may be starting to come into the window of being an insider threat, superiors can then approach them and try to remove that stress before they become a threat to the organization,” the Pentagon official said.

The program, however, gives agencies such wide latitude in crafting their responses to insider threats that someone deemed a risk in one agency could be characterized as harmless in another. Even inside an agency, one manager’s disgruntled employee might become another’s threat to national security.

Obama in November approved “minimum standards” giving departments and agencies considerable leeway in developing their insider threat programs, leading to a potential hodgepodge of interpretations. He instructed them to not only root out leakers but people who might be prone to “violent acts against the government or the nation” and “potential espionage.”

The Pentagon established its own sweeping definition of an insider threat as an employee with a clearance who “wittingly or unwittingly” harms “national security interests” through “unauthorized disclosure, data modification, espionage, terrorism, or kinetic actions resulting in loss or degradation of resources or capabilities.”

“An argument can be made that the rape of military personnel represents an insider threat. Nobody has a model of what this insider threat stuff is supposed to look like,” said the senior Pentagon official, explaining that inside the Defense Department “there are a lot of chiefs with their own agendas but no leadership.”

The Department of Education, meanwhile, informs employees that co-workers going through “certain life experiences . . . might turn a trusted user into an insider threat.” Those experiences, the department says in a computer training manual, include “stress, divorce, financial problems” or “frustrations with co-workers or the organization.”

An online tutorial titled “Treason 101” teaches Department of Agriculture and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration employees to recognize the psychological profile of spies.

A Defense Security Service online pamphlet lists a wide range of “reportable” suspicious behaviors, including working outside of normal duty hours. While conceding that not every behavior “represents a spy in our midst,” the pamphlet adds that “every situation needs to be examined to determine whether our nation’s secrets are at risk.”

The Defense Department, traditionally a leading source of media leaks, is still setting up its program, but it has taken numerous steps. They include creating a unit that reviews news reports every day for leaks of classified defense information and implementing new training courses to teach employees how to recognize security risks, including “high-risk” and “disruptive” behaviors among co-workers, according to Defense Department documents reviewed by McClatchy.

“It’s about people’s profiles, their approach to work, how they interact with management. Are they cheery? Are they looking at Salon.com or The Onion during their lunch break? This is about ‘The Stepford Wives,’” said a second senior Pentagon official, referring to online publications and a 1975 movie about robotically docile housewives. The official said he wanted to remain anonymous to avoid being punished for criticizing the program.

The emphasis on certain behaviors reminded Greenstein of her employee orientation with the CIA, when she was told to be suspicious of unhappy co-workers.

“If someone was having a bad day, the message was watch out for them,” she said.

Some federal agencies also are using the effort to protect a broader range of information. The Army orders its personnel to report unauthorized disclosures of unclassified information, including details concerning military facilities, activities and personnel.

The Peace Corps, which is in the midst of implementing its program, “takes very seriously the obligation to protect sensitive information,” said an email from a Peace Corps official who insisted on anonymity but gave no reason for doing so.

Granting wide discretion is dangerous, some experts and officials warned, when federal agencies are already prone to overreach in their efforts to control information flow.

The Bush administration allegedly tried to silence two former government climate change experts from speaking publicly on the dangers of global warming. More recently, the FDA justified the monitoring of the personal email of its scientists and doctors as a way to detect leaks of unclassified information.

But R. Scott Oswald, a Washington attorney of the Employment Law Group, called the Obama administration “a friend to whistleblowers,” saying it draws a distinction between legitimate whistleblowers who use internal systems to complain of wrongdoing vs. leakers, who illegally make classified information public.

There are numerous cases, however, of government workers who say they’ve been forced to go public because they’ve suffered retaliation after trying to complain about waste, fraud and abuse through internal channels or to Congress. Thomas Drake, a former senior NSA official, was indicted in 2010 under the Espionage Act after he disclosed millions of dollars in waste to a journalist. He’d tried for years to alert his superiors and Congress. The administration eventually dropped the charges against him.

The Pentagon, meanwhile, declined to answer how its insider threat program would accommodate a leak to the news media like the Pentagon Papers, a top-secret history of U.S. involvement in Vietnam that showed how successive administrations had misled the public and Congress on the war.

“The danger is that supervisors and managers will use the profiles for ‘Disgruntled Employees’ and ‘Insider Threats’ to go after legitimate whistleblowers,” said the second Pentagon official. “The executive order says you can’t offend the whistleblower laws. But all of the whistleblower laws are about retaliation. That doesn’t mean you can’t profile them before they’re retaliated against.”

Greenstein said she become the target of scrutiny from security officials after she began raising allegations of mismanagement in the CIA’s operations in Baghdad. But she never leaked her complaints, which included an allegation that her security chief deleted details about safety risks from cables. Instead, she relied on the agency’s internal process to make the allegations.

The CIA, however, tried to get the Justice Department to open a criminal case after Greenstein mentioned during a polygraph test that she was writing a book, which is permitted inside the agency as long as it goes through pre-publication review. The CIA then demanded to see her personal computers. When she got them back months later, all that she’d written had been deleted, Greenstein said.

“They clearly perceived me as an insider threat,” said Greenstein, who has since rewritten the book and has received CIA permission to publish portions of it. “By saying ‘I have a problem with this place and I want to make it better,’ I was instantly turned into a security threat,” she said. The CIA declined to comment.

Read more here: [link to www.mcclatchydc.com]

Carol wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2BT8HZoAfs&feature=player_embedded
Rush Limbaugh: "We are in the Midst of a Coup Taking Place" - Audio 6/7/13

6/7/13 - More News and Video at http://freedomslighthouse.net - Rush Limbaugh reacting to the multitude of Obama Scandals, and the newest revelation that Obama's NSA is collecting phone and internet data on millions of Americans.

Carol wrote:Thread from GLP
Limited-Hangout Op: DHS insider - "It’s about to get very ugly - this is the end game, for all the marbles.”
The details

“If anyone thinks that what’s going on right now with all of this surveillance of American citizens is to fight some sort of foreign enemy, they’re delusional. If people think that this ‘scandal’ can’t get any worse, it will, hour by hour, day by day. This has the ability to bring down our national leadership, the administration and other senior elected officials working in collusion with this administration, both Republican and Democrats. People within the NSA, the Department of Justice, and others, they know who they are, need to come forth with the documentation of ‘policy and practice’ in their possession, disclose what they know, fight what’s going on, and just do their job. I have never seen anything like this, ever. The present administration is going after leakers, media sources, anyone and everyone who is even suspected of ‘betrayal.’ That’s what they call it, ‘betrayal.’ Can you believe the size of their cahones? This administration considers anyone telling the truth about Benghazi, the IRS, hell, you name the issue, ‘betrayal,’” he said.

“We know all this already,” I stated. He looked at me, giving me a look like I’ve never seen, and actually pushed his finger into my chest. “You don’t know jack,” he said, “this is bigger than you can imagine, bigger than anyone can imagine. This administration is collecting names of sources, whistle blowers and their families, names of media sources and everybody they talk to and have talked to, and they already have a huge list. If you’re not working for MSNBC or CNN, you’re probably on that list. If you are a website owner with a brisk readership and a conservative bent, you’re on that list. It’s a political dissident list, not an enemy threat list,” he stated.

“What’s that exactly mean, being on that list, that is,” I asked, trying to make sense of it all.

“It means that there will be censorship under the color of authority of anyone in the U.S. who is attempting to expose what’s going on in our name. It’s about controlling any damning information from reaching epidemic proportions. It’s damage control to the extreme. It’s about the upcoming censorship of the internet in the name of national security. The plans are already in place. These latest reports about ‘spying eyes’ have turned this administration and others connected to it into something very, very dangerous. They feel cornered and threatened, and I’m hearing about some plans they have to shut down the flow of information that is implicating them of wrongdoing. Time is short,” he stated.

“How are they going to do this? How is it even possible” I asked.

“First, they intend to use the Justice Department to silence journalists like in the Rosen case, but they won’t stop there. They will use a host of national security policies, laws, letters, whatever to take out the bigger threats,” he stated.

Next, they will use some sort of excuse, an external threat, and I believe it will be a combination of the economic collapse and a Mid-East war that will begin in Syria to throttle the information that is accessible on the Internet. And you know what? People will believe it!”

... more at link

[link to www.trunews.com]

Federal authorities said today that, since June 2010, they have seized more than 1,700 domains that allegedly breached intellectual property rights.

Seized under a program known as “Operation in Our Sites,” the domains hosted material the authorities said illegally streamed sporting events; hawked counterfeit drugs, clothes, and accessories like handbags; and unlawfully allowed the downloading of copyrighted movies and music.

The figures were buried in the White House’s 2013 “Joint Strategic Plan on Intellectual Property Enforcement,” (.pdf) and they represent about 50 seizures a month following the operation’s adoption three years ago.

[link to www.wired.com]


Kim Dotcom’s files are wiped clean in ‘largest data massacre in history’

[link to www.independent.co.uk]

Carol wrote:Just look at todays Drudge Report headlines:



PAPER: NSA agency can snoop without warrant...
Lawyers eye for evidence in murder, divorce cases...
CLAIM: Top judges, generals, politicians wiretapped...
REPORT: SKYPE helped gov't access customer data...
McConnell: Attack on free speech...
Govt to map your 'every move'...
OPERATION INSIDER THREAT...
Will: President scarily detached from reality...
White House Asks NBA To Pump Obamacare...
REPORT: US troops with riot training preparing for deployment to Egypt... Why?

FBI HIDES DRONE DETAILS

Clearly this is an attack on our civil liberties and the US Constitution!

Carol wrote:Finally, Face-Scrambling Glasses to Go With Your Drone-Proof Cloak

In early 2013, the engineer/artist Adam Harvey unveiled a drone-proof burqa he called Stealth Wear. The garment cloaks the wearer in "nickel-metalized fabric designed to thwart IR-detection by thermal cameras," as Kelly Bourdet explained after interviewing Harvey. Just one problem: It leaves your face exposed.

Drones and CCTV cams can still spot your smiling face and send it on over to the good folks at the NSA or whereever else they're processing domestic spy data.

Thankfully, Japan's National Institute of Informatics came up with the missing anti-detection puzzle piece—glasses that scramble facial recognition algorithms. It's already being touted as the "anti-Google Glass." It uses 11 separate near-infrared LED lights to blind surveillance cameras.

Carol wrote:One of the great absurdities following Edward Snowden's NSA PRISM revelations has been the way in which Obama, and other US officials, have said with straight faces that surveillance is limited to non-American communications. In other words: don't worry, Americans, we're not spying on you—we're spying on those suckers.

This absurdist argument, however, is typical of spy tradecraft. And really, it should be expected that every nation surveills friend and foe alike, or at least makes the attempt. It's the paranoid mindset so perfectly lampooned in Stanislaw Lem's Memories Found in a Bathtub, in which espionage has become a state of being; so much so that it serves as the entropy signal of a dying system.


Read more: [link to motherboard.vice.com]


The Military-Information Complex Is Growing in Silicon Valley

Silicon Valley has a closer relationship to Big Government than most shining libertarian disruptopreneurs would care to admit—mostly because there's a heaping profit to be made from it. A front page story in the New York Times today makes crystal clear what many already knew: tech companies and their former employees are making a fortune off of government contracts.

The story focuses on Max Kelly, a cyber security expert who left a cushy post at Facebook for the NSA. There he put his expertise in protecting user data to good use—helping government snoops more efficiently collect it. His example, the Times says, is indicative of the blurred lines between the industry and government data collectors.

But it's just the tip of the iceberg. The NSA and other agencies are evidently paying a pretty penny for Silicon Valley's information-collection capacities, too:



Read more: [link to motherboard.vice.com]

Carol wrote:Are you next?

USC Scientists Are Working on Deleting Memories


Using a protein found in glowing jellyfish and some fancy engineering, scientists can now watch memories as they form in the brains of mice.

That alone is cool, but here’s the real sci-fi stuff: Within a couple years, researchers think they’ll be able to selectively eliminate memories (at least in mice), much like they do in the John Woo-Ben Affleck classic Paycheck or Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.

Joking aside, here’s how it works:



Read more: [link to motherboard.vice.com]

Carol wrote:

All the PRISM Data the Tech Giants Have Been Allowed to Disclose So Far Read more: [link to motherboard.vice.com]

Carol wrote:Indefinite Surveillance: The National Defense Authorization Act of 2014

NDAA 2014 builds on the powers granted by both the Patriot Act and FISA by allowing unrestricted analysis and research of captured records pertaining to any organization or individual “now or once hostile to the United States”.

The NDAA 2014 enhancement provision extends and consolidates the government's authority to further gather and analyze records and data captured during any national security or terrorist related investigation, not just combat operations.

But it does so without creating any explicit restriction against violating an individual's right to privacy, conducting unwarranted searches and seizures, or violating due process for individuals as guaranteed by the Constitution.

That's eerily similar to the NDAA 2013 Sec. 1021, which codified the indefinite military detention of American citizens without requiring they be charged with a specific crime or given a trial.

Under NDAA 2013, Sec. 1021 allowed the military detention of civilians without a writ of habeas corpus, when a person "was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces."

Under NDAA 2014, anyone is now subject to surveillance, not based on support of al-Qaeda or its associated forces, but based merely upon whether or not an individual is, or once was hostile to the U.S. The question of what constitutes “hostility”, is left completely unanswered.

[link to www.blacklistednews.com]

Carol wrote:"The operations of secret intelligence agencies aiming at the manipulation of public opinion generally involve a combination of cynical deception with the pathetic gullibility of the targeted populations.

There is ample reason to believe that the case of Edward Joseph Snowden fits into this pattern. We are likely dealing here with a limited hangout operation, in which carefully selected and falsified documents and other materials are deliberately revealed by an insider who pretends to be a fugitive rebelling against the excesses of some oppressive or dangerous government agency."

[link to counterpsyops.com]




FBI Chief Demands Broader Surveillance Powers

Current Internet Surveillance Still Doesn't Satisfy Officials

[link to news.antiwar.com]

Carol wrote:Russ Tice, Bush-Era Whistleblower, Claims NSA Ordered Wiretap Of Barack Obama In 2004

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]




Justice Caps: Hide in Plain Site: Justice means Living Free - English Language

Carol wrote:Job Seekers Leak NSA Program Names on LinkedIn
[link to news.clearancejobs.com]


Carlyle Group May Buy Major CIA Contractor: Booz Allen Hamilton (Apparently now a majority stockholder....)
From article.... "Notably Booz Allen is a key adviser and prime contractor to all of the major U.S. intelligence agencies – the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA), the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), the National Security Agency (NSA), and – as well as the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the National Counterterrorism Center, the Department of Defense and most of the Pentagon’s combatant commands."
[link to www.corpwatch.org]

Also, James R Clapper - intelligence czar - seems to appear to have been executive director, military intelligence programs of Booz Allen Hamilton
Take a look at this map, what are these relationships that our government has.
[link to www.muckety.com]

Carol wrote:Hmm...

Human Farming - Stefan Molyneux - The Story of Man's Enslavement:
[link to www.youtube.com]
The story of your enslavement Part 2.wmv :
[link to www.youtube.com]
[link to www.youtube.com]

Carol wrote:
DHS Insider: June 21st, 2013 update: Release of Withheld information from previous conversations
I guess the site this is on is now blocked. It's article 56029 on the Fagmann's site



DHS Insider

As noted in my June 7, 2013 report titled DHS Insider: It’s about to get very ugly, the additional information provided to me that was temporarily withheld from publication is now being released. The methodical and incremental release of information was (and is) deliberate, to allow other things to play out, such as the public exposure to the name Edward Snowden and his revelations regarding just how extensive the domestic surveillance apparatus is—and who the surveillance is actually targeting.

“You’ve got to understand that they are trying to find the likes of me,” stated my source. Pretty soon, no one is going to be talking to anybody, especially in the alternative media, even about the damn weather. They won’t risk it, and I’m not just talking about a risk to their careers, either. There has been a systematic method of intimidation with some known and even “approved” media contacts, not just against them, but against their families,” he emphasized.

“Just give it two weeks at most, it will come out that no one will talk to the media,” he added. [Author note: See this article about AP CEO confirming their sources won’t talk anymore, dated 19 June 2013]. “But let me give you some details about some things I was told too. I know this is second-hand information, but it was from someone in a position of authority to know, someone I trust, and someone who I expect to reveal to [name of elected official deleted] the true extent of what has and in some cases, still is taking place. This individual is preparing to disclose much, and has obtained legal counsel, but the problem is that one misstep could be fatal in a literal sense, and [this source] knows that. If not fatal, there are other legal challenges, especially under a corrupt judiciary. By the time this appears in print, the disclosures will likely have already been made, just not made public.”

The Holder hammer & the Chicago plumbers

“The revelation last month that the Justice Department seized two months of telephone records from the Associated Press (AP) last year is only a small part of the story. The public admission is that the Holder Justice Department obtained only telephone records from three locations, something like 20 lines, and records of calls from the House press gallery for about two months. That’s one of the biggest lies ever told,” stated my source.

“The truth is that it was not limited to AP, and not limited to just number identification and call duration, but was an extensive and active wiretapping operation that included every reporter’s telephone conversations, landline and cell, text messages from their personal and business cellular telephones and other electronic devices. The primary focus is on the press gallery, where everything was monitored in real time.”

“Not only were the communications of reporters compromised, so were the private communications of congressmen and their aides. Listen to what I am saying,” he stressed, “the operation was much larger than anyone can imagine. Recordings, actual voice recordings, were turned over to the Obama administration, along with transcripts of texts, other communications and contacts.”

“The intimidation factor is huge if a media contact is outside of a small circle of ‘vetted’ journalists who are completely loyal to Obama and his agenda. If you are not part of that inner circle, you are a target, it’s that simple. You are seeing the formation of a state-run media and an administration that will intimidate, punish or prosecute anyone considered unfriendly to the Obama camp from the inside and the outside. Like I said, this also involves elected officials, their staffs and even in some cases, their families. And it is all being done under the color of authority and the pretext of national security,” he added.

“NSA assets were used, with the NSA acting as the collection agency for their intermediate client, the DHS. Then, at the highest levels of DHS, they sifted through the information collected. But the ultimate client or recipient of the information was the Obama White House. I don’t know if other agencies were involved in sorting through the material, but DHS, and this was limited to the highest of levels at DHS under the personal direction of Janet Napolitano, provided volumes of data directly to the Obama administration. One person inside the administration I know received the data was Valerie Jarrett,” he stated.
“The other part of the lie is that this operation lasted only two months. That’s a lie. It went on well into late last year, was halted shortly after the election, but then picked back up sometime in January,” he said. Something happened in January where there appeared to be another active wiretapping operation started, but this one appeared to be more focused, or more limited in scope. Maybe, and I’m just guessing here based on some of the things I heard, that the Obama people had narrowed their interests based on the fruits of the previous operation.”

Now the ‘Holder hammer’ is coming down on anyone who opens their mouth, or previously leaked any information that could have been or be detrimental to Obama. I can tell you that Valerie Jarrett is working, out of the White House, with DHS and other agencies to co-ordinate their efforts with Justice,” the latter a reference to the Eric Holder Justice Department. “At the same time, on the media side, there is a ‘plumbers team’ headed out of Chicago, with a long reach to the New York and Washington press correspondents. So they are not only going after those on the inside, but the journalists from the other side.”

Loyalty to the man, not the office

It was at this point I asked my source, what were or are they looking for?

“Anything and everything,” he responded. “Obviously, it’s about loyalty to the man, damn the country and damn the law. Protect the man and the agenda, which is not just his agenda, but the people who put him in office.”

Like who? I asked.

“Who benefits? This is about dismantling the United States and nothing less. This is about foreign interests who have taken over our government without a shot. Look at Syria and our economy, both issues that are expected, at least as discussed within DHS, to play out this year. You had it correct on both counts when you wrote about our involvement in Syria, by way of weapons shipments from Benghazi, to open another war. You also had it correct when you wrote about the killing of the U.S. Dollar. You want to know how I know this? Because the blowback from those two issues alone, one foreign and the other domestic, are what DHS is gearing up for in our ‘homeland,’” he stated.

“Unless there are enough people who wake up fast enough, we will become involved in a war in Syria, with boots on the ground, facing not only Syrian troops but Russian forces. There will be blowback here in the United States. Along with this, you will see the U.S. dollar ‘collapse’ as the reserve currency, and social uprisings here in the U.S. over both. It will be DHS teamed with other federal agencies who will meet, with force, the uprisings. There will be chaos here, but it is expected to be different depending upon where you are at. Big cities will have the most problems, and plans are being made to cordon off cities and restrict travel at the time when these uprisings start. I really didn’t want to use this phrase, but expect martial law to be used ‘for the security’ of those affected by the turmoil.”

“Then, you will see the internet being regulated in a manner that will serve only the agenda of this administration. Either right before or during these events, so-called citizen journalists will be particularly vulnerable. Watch for a serious crackdown of bloggers, online news publications and websites, but not in the way that will be immediately obvious. The ‘plumbers team’ have coordinated their efforts with Internet Service Providers to identify the people like you and others who publish their information on web sites. At first they will cite violations of terms of service. Then, they will select a few ‘troublemakers’ and identify them for criminal prosecution. Others will experience hacking and other electronic attacks. And during all of that, there will be the Obama team flooding the internet with misinformation and disinformation. In fact, that is already taking place.”

During our conversation, I started to ask about certain journalists and bloggers who died, either from ‘natural causes’ or in accidents, suicides, and under other strange circumstances. My source interrupted before I could finish my question.

“Don’t even go there, don’t bother asking me, because I just don’t know, he stated in a rather agitated manner. I do have my suspicions about one, maybe two who got a bit too close to the truth and foolishly trusted certain people, but I really don’t know for sure.”

So, what will all of this look like, I asked, when it all comes down.

“I’ve thought about that myself, and have seen some DHS documents outlining different scenarios. Maybe not what you think,” he replied. “Outside of the rioting in certain urban areas, the low stocks at your local stores, and rationing of gas, maybe not as dire as you imagine. My best guess is a combination of the riots of the 1960s along with the gasoline rationing of the 1970s, at least at first. Once people who want to save the country, those with good intentions begin to organize, it will become incrementally worse,” he stated.

“Like a car careening off a cliff, but not hitting the bottom right away. It will hit jagged edges first, each time suffering more damage. Each blow will be worse than the next.”


Centralization

“Let me try to sum it up for you. It’s getting late, and I mean it’s getting late this morning and late for our country. This is all about centralization of power and pursuing an agenda that makes no sense or has any benefit to the United States. All of the things we are seeing are related. The IRS, Syria, Benghazi, the NSA, and just about everything you can name is about one thing: the consolidation of power and the centralization of authority. This party did not start with Obama, and might not end with him either.”

I interjected my surprise at this point, noting that I thought the worst, like others, that we might not see another presidential election. “When did I mention anything about an election?”

“You’re not thinking big enough,” he admonished. Nobody is thinking big enough, or has been thinking at all, which is why we’re in this position. This is a global agenda, or an agenda of the global interests, the money interests. Do you think for one second that if a person, and I don’t give a damn who it is or what position they hold, becomes a liability to those interests that they wouldn’t get rid of them? Don’t you think those in power know this?

Cryptically, he spoke of Obama’s apparent infatuation with Abraham Lincoln and asked, rhetorically whether that means anything. A country that will fall into a civil war of sorts, and all of the things common to both. Does Obama know something, or feel something? Is that playing in to his desire for oaths only to him, and not the country? Think about it.”


Time frame

As we were parting, I felt a bit like Peter Falk playing Columbo in the 1970s television series when I said that I had “just one more question.” When is all of this going to start?

What? He turned and looked at me as if I had uttered an insult.

“It’s already begun. You’re seeing it now. If you want to know a date when our money will tank, or when the war goes hot, or when you won’t be able to get food or gas, I can’t tell you, and I don’t think anyone can. But remember what I said before, about the metals taking a hit and something happening after that. Look at the metals market. The U.S. has very little gold. Everything you see is being manipulated, from the economy to the metals to foreign policy. I believe that most politicians know how dire things are, and most are clawing their way for a seat at the global table. But if I had to answer you, and I guess I will so you’ll let me leave, I’d look for something to happen in early July as a precursor to the more major events later in the summer or fall, maybe in October.”

“But don’t try to look at dates for answers, look at events, even the small ones. Remember, their objectives haven’t changed, only their plans to adapt to the right conditions. To the unaware, it will look like everything was just one big unfortunate coincidence.”

End...

Carol wrote:Everything Is Being Sold
Market crash warning
by Chris Martenson

Global financial markets are now in a very perilous state, and there is a much higher than normal chance of a crash.Bernanke's recent statement revealed just how large a role speculation had played in the prices of nearly everything, and now there is a mad dash for cash taking place all over the world.

After years of cramming liquidity into the markets, creating massive imbalances such as stock markets hitting new highs even as economic fundamentals deteriorated (Germany) or were lackluster (U.S.), junk bonds hitting all-time-record highs, and sovereign bond yields steadily falling even as the macro economics of various countries worsened markedly (Spain, Italy, Greece, and Portugal), all of this was steadily building up pressures that were going to be relieved someday. Just over a month ago, Japan lit the fuse by destabilizing its domestic market, which sent ripples throughout the world.

The early stage of any liquidity crisis is a mad dash for cash, especially by all of the leveraged speculators. Anything that can be sold is sold. As I scan the various markets, all I can find is selling. Stocks, commodities, and equities are all being shed at a rapid pace, and that's the first clue that we are not experiencing sector rotation or other artful portfolio-dodging designed to move out of one asset class into another (say, from equities into bonds).

....there is an increasing number of flashing indicators warning that a 2008-style – but worse – sell-off is arriving.We say "worse" because this time it looks like it will be accompanied by a vicious cycle of rising interest rates.Plus, governments and central banks have used up all of their major options already. There are no more white knights to hope for.

[link to www.peakprosperity.com]

Brook wrote:

Jenetta wrote:

Brook wrote:James Casbolt aka Michael Prince appears alive and well and giving interviews at UFO meetings last March

According to this document if James Casbolt aka Michael Prince is a Project IBIS Life Extension, he was born (original copy) in 1789 Alsace-Lorraine underground facility, spent some years through the centuries off and on in cryogenic stasis, and voila! has been alive and well through this century with a few mechanical parts added here and there.
Guess its no problem for him to hang on for another indeterminate # of years.

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/mediafiles/The_life_and_times_of_Michael_Prince.pdf
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As it is above; so it is below

That's an interesting thing to consider.

magamud wrote:Thanks for the links.  Hate to continue to side track the thread, but it is about a coup d'etat.
William Bramley A good interview about the UFO phenomena.
http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/Archive/william-bramley-the-gods-of-eden-extraterrestrial-infiltration.html

I continue to believe in the Jesus narrative with the UFO phenomena.  That is our foundation of existence lies with Jesus and the Father.  We are his.  The confusion is the time we spend evolving our society apparently seeming apart from them.  This is where the devil and his legion come in and enslave us from our own family, too our society, too the cosmic.  

WHERE ARE ALL THE STARS?

SOLAR SYSTEM GOVERNANCE NEGOTIATIONS CONTINUE ON PHOBOS AKA THE USSS NAMASTE

"SOLAR SYSTEM GOVERNANCE IS NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS!!"

IS THAT OSAMA HOLDING OBAMA'S BIRTH-CERTIFICATE AND THE WMD'S??? NO WONDER THEY COULDN'T FIND THEM!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yyAQU9HSUk

magamud wrote:

magamud wrote:

magamud wrote:I would suggest the universe is so big that our imagination is the only way to concept it.  And where your intention lies there you will be.  I think its similar to our basic physics.  In that lucifer bubbles up his world from just the smallest of Gods seed.  A structure of an atom?  This is the meaning of wickedness in our being.  This place is Gods footstool.  We are being used as food like capitalist uses a commodity.  The parasites can do this to us unbeknownst to our species, to a matrix level.  Petition the lord with prayer.  Petition the lord with prayer.

We have been told nothing of our true reality. You must reboot your own system so to speak.  Get back to the quantum level of your energy?  Go through the black hole?

Our orobourus future is a sociopathic techmocracy of war and glory.  Much the same dynamics experienced here on earth, but taken to that Dune imperialistic extreme.  Below as above?  Transhumanism and centralized celestial power.  Galactus?  Darth Vader?  Its creepy to think that, that our possible future is magnetizing our current time direction to fullfill its prophecy.  

I like they live and the thing movies by john carpenter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVgl1HOxpj8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqVbOSEsJNo

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you magamud. I'm 'liking' the combination of 1. The Gospel According to Science Fiction by Gabriel McKee. 2. The Gods of Eden by William Bramley. 3. The 1928 Book of Common Prayer. 4. Life of Christ by Fulton Sheen. 5. Sacred Classical Music. This combination does not include anything from the religion of my youth (directly) -- yet it vindicates it somewhat. Once again, those labs and bases scare the hell out of me. Who knows how many secret labs, bases, prisons, spacecraft, etc. there are throughout the solar system???!!! I know that I know very, very little about anything worth knowing anything about. I don't know Jack. I don't even know Jill. Namaste.

magamud wrote:Erdogan spills the beans: Civil unrest in Brazil and Turkey


Published on Jun 24, 2013
This was all over the MSM today. Turkey's PM Erdogan made a public statement calling out secret groups behind a conspiracy to destabilize Turkey and Brazil.

http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/images/games/jack%20and%20jill%20bluray%20DewaTV.jpg

Everyone is a suspect.  Hail the Homeland...

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you magamud. I don't doubt that events have been orchestrated from the shadows for thousands of years. What really worries me is the possibility that if events weren't orchestrated from the shadows -- we might be in even worse shape than we are presently. Perhaps this is why I keep thinking in terms of a more ethical (kinder and gentler) version of the way things are. Turkey is interesting. Is that where Satan used to live?? Does Satan live in Berlin presently?? BTW -- I detected a Germanic and Socialist bias in the AED. That's all I'm going to say...

"in the final time of crisis,
the Serpent Goddess will shake herself loose from her deep exiled sleep
in the earth's belly.
Perhaps the serpent of life's flowing energy
will begin to rise again,
all luminous and of the earth,
and the children of our Great Mother will rise up with it,
and the universe will be our home again, as before.
This flight is not an escape, but a return.
The only way for humans to survive the end is
to return to the beginning."

From "The Great Cosmic Mother"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GEM2LUaGSE

magamud wrote:

To balance things out lets put some Persian fascism in..

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you magamud. TREEE has stated that Persia is very important regarding how the world works -- and is even behind Bohemian Grove!! I haven't watched any TREEE YouTube videos for a long time -- but she said a lot of interesting and crazy things. Dana Horochowski, Sherry Shriner, and TREEE are three interesting ladies!!! I'm presently only listening to Sherry -- but I sometimes wonder if they are All One??!! There is an AED connection -- but I don't want to talk about it. I don't really wish to talk about much of anything right now -- so I'm sort of washing my hands of the madness (for now anyway). Just for the 'fun' of it -- pretend that the Bible was originally and mostly written by 'Moses' (who might've gone by another name or names) in Ancient Babylon or Egypt -- that it was written as Historical and Prophetic Fiction -- and modified and edited throughout the centuries!!! Once again, shouldn't we consider ALL of the possibilities?? What if Moses was Isis?? What if the Teachings of Jesus are the Teachings of Isis?? What if the Entire Bible is a Parable??!! What if the Bible is a Galactic IQ Test??!! What if the Bible is a Mental and Spiritual Exercise??!! Here's a slightly different Biblical Study List:

1. Genesis (KJV).
2. Exodus (KJV).
3. Deuteronomy (KJV).
4. 1928 Book of Common Prayer (which includes the Psalms).
5. Proverbs (KJV).
6. Matthew (KJV).
7. John (KJV).
8. Romans (KJV).
9. Hebrews (KJV).
10. Revelation (KJV).

Try reading this list straight through -- in order -- repeatedly -- as a mental and spiritual exercise. Then, think and do whatever makes sense to YOU!!! Namaste and Have a Nice Day!!!

Aquaries1111 wrote:ODM, I mean no disrespect; but, do you work? Do you have an "outlet" other than Mists here? Or do you spend your time shedding sherry shriner and your constant same old message here on The Mists? We here, are "evolutionary" and since you have info of positive and negative, I wonder? What is your true intent? I work, and if you want your teeth fixing, so you can find a "life" well hey: you know where to find me! I am not "elusive"! Are you? Do you have an address? a real name? a skype contact? who are you? Maybe you can skype chat with me or even Carol? Let us know your true intentions because quite frankly; I am getting rather "bored" of your "dissertation"!

orthodoxymoron wrote:Sorry. This will all be over very soon. I'm just mostly editing what I've already posted -- and I've set the end of August as a completion time. I appreciate your concern regarding my dire circumstances -- and I can feel the love -- but might I suggest that you simply not read my threads if they so bore you. I'm bored with television -- so I don't watch it. Now I'm getting bored with attempting to help save the solar system. Frankly -- the objections and criticisms I have received seem to be repeated over and over -- with very little originality or specificity. They almost seem to originate from one source -- one individual -- or one being. I've had contact with a lot of people (or other than people) online or in real-life who seemed to be the same soul. I never know who I'm really dealing with. I suppose this makes the game a bit more interesting -- but I'm somewhat bored with the runaround. I fear that the time for meaningful discussion has all but passed. This thing has been going on for years -- and seems to be a monumental waste of time. I think my posts vary substantially -- but I am trying to model specific principles and concepts -- utilizing contextual superimposition, comprehensive concentration, theme and variations -- so, there is of necessity, a certain amount of repetition. Perhaps the time has arrived for some sort of action. I learned that from W. Clement Stone. "Repetition!! Repetition!! Repetition!! AND ACTION!!!" What a difference one year makes!!

Aquaries1111 wrote:
Wow Oxy,

I am really loving this thread of yours.. I have read absolutely zero of your work on PA1 since I was not a member there. I have decided to read the first last and the last first...

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you for your interest, A-1. I like the sci-fi aspect of all of this -- yet I think I need to spend more time on pure-science -- especially astronomy and genetics. I simply don't have the time, energy, brains, spiritual-strength, and emotional-stability to properly research life, the universe, and everything. I feel really small and stupid most of the time. The more I know -- the more I know that I don't know.

I continue to be amazed at how many people have dragon tattoos and shirts. I am amazed at how many dragons appear in various insignias, logos, patches, coats-of-arms, etc. I am amazed at how many dragon-related books exist. The Bible even describes a dragon as being in heaven. It seems as if Archangel Michael had a difference of opinion with a Dragon. What is the relationship between Dragons, Dinosaurs, Reptiles, Reptilian-Humanoids, Greys, Humanity, and Divinity???

One more time -- regardless of what the future brings -- I don't plan on doing much more, or much less, than what I'm doing right now -- but I would like to function in a much more refined manner. I don't have plans to run-away, hide, or fight -- even if all hell breaks-loose. I tend to question whether there really are any truly safe places. We only have so many years in each incarnation anyway -- and I have no idea who is in charge of the reincarnational process.

I guess I simply wish to keep building upon the general foundation found in this 'United States of the Solar System' thread. It's a nasty job -- but someone has to do it -- so it might as well be me. I don't see anyone else doing it. If there are others -- please introduce me to them!

I recently and briefly spoke with someone who reminded me of 'Mo'at' (the Navi spiritual-leader) in 'Avatar'. They asked me a question, and I couldn't understand them because of their accent, so they had to repeat the question several times -- and I felt really stupid. But it made me wonder what a face to face encounter with the Real Solar System Ruler might be like. My guess is that they are deceptively low-key, quiet, and unassuming -- but that they are very quick and clever. I also keep wondering if they have a helluva lot more to worry about than the madness on this planet. They might simply serve as a mediator or mediatrix between Divinity and Humanity -- and this relationship might be extremely complex and problematic. There might be no clean, neat, and easy way to do business in this solar system. Solar System Governance might be Pure Hell. I am fascinated by the general subject -- but the specific reality might be worse than we can possibly imagine. I suspect that it is -- especially now.

Aquaries1111 wrote:Oxy,

I feel I am crossing over into another reality reading your thread.. It is utterly "amazing" and I thank you for sharing.. I am currently watching a Bill Cooper video.. "Behold a Pale Horse".. and I just received a Bill Cooper MP3 entire collection of his information until he was silenced in 2001..

http://www.hourofthetime.com/wordpresstest/?page_id=7576

orthodoxymoron wrote:I like the general attitude and presentation of Bill Cooper. I have no idea how much of what he spoke and wrote is true -- but his work really makes me think. His book 'Behold a Pale Horse' is a must-read in this area of research. But a word of warning -- this thread, and fringe-research, are not necessarily paths to happiness and peace of mind. It's sort of a bottomless-pit or an emotional-spiritual-intellectual black-hole -- which is why I'm not necessarily a big fan of 'waking people up' (which often translates into 'riling people up'). However, for those who understand the risks and dangers of researching this and that, I offer this thread as a somewhat balanced and rational home-base or starting-point. BTW -- take a look at 'Commander X'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc4QtT-l1ss I think this might be Bill Cooper!! If so, this would mean that he didn't die in 2001!!! He might've simply gone underground at that point.

magamud wrote:

I don't know. Once again, this is just more intuitive and conceptual speculation -- as a continuation of my pursuit of Political and Theological Science-Fiction -- which is nearly impossible to verify

I probably should make this my disclaimer Ortho. I understand I could be quite delusional in my thinking and I am no ones authority.

Was Jesus Bad for Business???

There are different levels to your queries, so I will do my best to consolidate with what I perhaps know from my own gnosis.
The person called Jesus had to be as we are in a sort of predestined grand cycle.
On another level with the lower tier sociopaths, that being the celestial mafia, the whole Jesus paradigm is a nagging thorn that they try to repress, deny and cover up as much as possible.

Did the Archangelic-Christ plan this whole thing?

Believe it or not we are in a Loving grand plan of awareness in consciousness. This incarnation is a stepping stone. IDK how to explain the whole thing in a concise manner, as
it involves understanding suffering and the love of creation. Simply put we are in the consciousness of the devil and his pyramid of sociopaths. They exist to help sovereign souls
understand consciousness. From the Devil there are different dimensions of his awareness until it translates into ours. Most people see this with our shadow govt and their interaction
within cosmic space.

Is there a 'Myth of Innocence'?

Innocence exists, it just maturates and evolves. We had to go through this cycle to understand what is.

Is none righteous?

The One who is flesh and blood is righteous, from there I would assume there is different degrees of it.

Might the following be true (or partially true)?

I suspect you understand the different levels of sociology from the One Ortho. An example of your insight into celestial politics which I have no doubt exists. I suspect there
are many levels or pockets of celestial politics and Sci Fi gives us good insight into them. My concentration tends to be more understanding the One then anything else, so my
contrast to your celestial politics might not be that worthy, but its interesting none the less. Most insights into the mathematics and philosophies can be true, my issues is everything
stems from the one. I think trying to get to the one through the mathematics or different philosophies of celestial existence can become a labyrinth. Like most things
it helps spark thinking but can be a ball and chain if not let go.

Are most Humans going to reincarnate as Reptilians and Greys -- and move to Reptilian and Grey Planets -- in the very near future?

Yes I suspect so, I would assume there is an endless amount of incarnations possible. Sometimes i think I was an android from the future in one incarnation. I would think it comes
down to your awareness toward the one and what best suits you. On existence I suspect that physical incarnation is one pole and death is another. During death you are in your own
designed dreamworld getting what you want and here in the physical is sort of the opposite. Might be a tell as to why people choose incarnation. Then of course your physical incarnation
mirrors your awareness of existence.

Are many Reptilians and Greys going to reincarnate as Humans -- and move to this solar system -- in the very near future?

Yes I would suspect so. I would suspect any type of thought forms or imagination we have of other beings is a reflection of some sort of connection. Is it imagination or really real?
I suspect that according to the vastness of space, infinity and immortality that what we believe to be imagination is really prior or future existence.

Thanks for your suggested music while reading your posts.

Aquaries1111 wrote:http://camelotforum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=49&id=82063&Itemid=164

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you, A-1. I sort of miss the the Avalon and Camelot crowd -- but that project seemed to morph into something I didn't particularly relate to -- so I moved-on to the 'Mists' -- but I wish this were are larger forum (with more 'experts' and discussion). Given what's happening in the world -- the 'Mists' should have at least 10,000 members.

Thank-you, magamud. I was particularly interested by your following responses:

magamud wrote:

Are most Humans going to reincarnate as Reptilians and Greys -- and move to Reptilian and Grey Planets -- in the very near future?

Yes I suspect so, I would assume there is an endless amount of incarnations possible. Sometimes i think I was an android from the future in one incarnation. I would think it comes down to your awareness toward the one and what best suits you. On existence I suspect that physical incarnation is one pole and death is another. During death you are in your own designed dreamworld getting what you want and here in the physical is sort of the opposite. Might be a tell as to why people choose incarnation. Then of course your physical incarnation mirrors your awareness of existence.

Are many Reptilians and Greys going to reincarnate as Humans -- and move to this solar system -- in the very near future?

Yes I would suspect so. I would suspect any type of thought forms or imagination we have of other beings is a reflection of some sort of connection. Is it imagination or really real?
I suspect that according to the vastness of space, infinity and immortality that what we believe to be imagination is really prior or future existence.

I keep thinking that Male and Female Human Physicality is a can of worms with a HUGE potential for good and/or evil -- and that Reptilian and Grey Physicality might be much more stable -- yet with much less potential and extremes. Does one have to earn the right to incarnate into Male and Female Human Physicality (at least going forward into the future)??? Does it take a helluva lot of discipline and responsibility to properly animate Male and Female Human Physicality??? Just more wondering and speculation.

magamud wrote:

I keep thinking that Male and Female Human Physicality is a can of worms with a HUGE potential for good and/or evil

Agreed and is a major source of the confusion present I suspect. I draw insight from the GOT with Jesus explaining about trying to make females into males.
I suspect that the ability for females to create draws their focus there instead of drawing their attention to the Father of existence. Its a very sublime dynamic and both polar extremes have been manifested here to try and understand it, more specifically celibacy on one hand and open sexuality on the other. I assume the trail is a balance and quite narrow.

and that Reptilian and Grey Physicality might be much more stable -- yet with much less potential and extremes.

I concur, I suspect being in human form is a privilege and a test of ones constitution in learning about consciousness. But then again I'm sure each incarnation of whatever sentient life form
you are in has potential for extremes.

Does one have to earn the right to incarnate into Male and Female Human Physicality

I would think so, but then again I would not think its as much as a Right, but as a growth of ones consciousness that chooses incarnations..

Speaking of can of worms. I say the a father as in one sense I believe prana or the quantum universe is female and the hidden spiritual force is male, but if you were splitting hairs, both concepts
can transcend gender.

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you, magamud. I keep wondering if we are primarily dealing with Three Archangelic Reptilian-Queens associated with a hypothetical Orion-Sirius-Atlantean-Babylonian-Egyptian-Grecian-Roman-British-American Empire -- with one queen (most closely associated with, and supportive of, humanity) -- mostly disempowered and disenfranchised from any power-structure participation??? Might they be in Male and/or Female Human-Physicality -- lifetime after lifetime? Might another queen be mostly associated with Grey-Physicality?? Might they be at the head of the so called 'New World Order'?? Might the final hypothetical queen be mostly associated with Draconian-Reptilian Physicality?? Might this queen be at the head of the so called 'Old World Order'?? Might these three be Michael, Lucifer, and Gabriel?? Might Michael be the Archangelic-Christ (who, in one incarnation might've been Jesus Christ??). Are We ET? Did we, in essence, create ourselves (on a physical level -- especially regarding Human and Grey Physicality)?? Are Greys the missing-link between Reptilian and Human Physicality??

magamud wrote:Ortho I don't have any insight into the 3 queens. I suspect some of the gods of the Orion-Sirius-Atlantean-Babylonian-Egyptian-Grecian-Roman-British-American Empire are going through this grand cycle as we are exploring their own interpersonal morality and knowledge to the one. I suspect various dramas which could be represented in our Sci Fi stories. I suspect some will join the devil, I suspect some will leave him and everything in between.
I suspect that a tyrannical god who wishes to know God would choose mortal reincarnation. I think some of these sociopathic beings believe they can slip gods knowledge and find ways to attain immortality.
Again we see this mythos in our literature.
I don't have much insight into the grey and reptilian dynamics. I think its safe to assume they are extensions of us and them of us. Perhaps evolvement of sociopathy and intelligence amongst many things. Possibly our future selves indeed.
I suspect whoever is in sociopathic control of this local system is buying the bigger Ponzie scheme of power with the Devil.
Well we are made up of stardust which would imply we are part of many things. I think the missing link is knowledge of our own existence in one sense.

Thanks for the dialogue....

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orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you, A-1 and magamud. I'm trying to retain a somewhat Biblical-Mindset without being a Bible-Thumper. I will continue down the road I'm on -- for better or for worse. The classic Bill Cooper lecture is his Las Vegas MUFON presentation in 1989 called 'UFO's and the Secret Government'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIo3GpornCk The quality is not very good, but the information is fascinating. I've listened to it at least half a dozen times. Once again, I'm trying to think like an 'insider' without actually being one. I'm not exactly sure why I'm doing this -- but I feel somewhat driven in this direction. I feel virtually no fear or anger -- even though I am VERY concerned. It's really strange. I feel as if I'm locked into some sort of a Cosmic-Battle with high-stakes -- yet I know virtually nothing about this hypothetical battle. I continue to think this thread is significant -- yet I'm not sure exactly why. If you decide to study this thread, please study it as a whole. I continue to believe that the thoughts one thinks while studying this thread are much more significant than anything I've posted. This thread is merely a launching-pad.

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orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you, magamud. I keep wondering if we are primarily dealing with Three Archangelic Reptilian-Queens associated with a hypothetical Orion-Sirius-Atlantean-Babylonian-Egyptian-Grecian-Roman-British-American Empire -- with one queen (most closely associated with, and supportive of, humanity) -- mostly disempowered and disenfranchised from any power-structure participation??? Might they be in Male and/or Female Human-Physicality -- lifetime after lifetime? Might another queen be mostly associated with Grey-Physicality?? Might they be at the head of the so called 'New World Order'?? Might the final hypothetical queen be mostly associated with Draconian-Reptilian Physicality?? Might this queen be at the head of the so called 'Old World Order'?? Might these three be Michael, Lucifer, and Gabriel?? Might Michael be the Archangelic-Christ (who, in one incarnation might've been Jesus Christ??). Are We ET? Did we, in essence, create ourselves (on a physical level -- especially regarding Human and Grey Physicality)?? Are Greys the missing-link between Reptilian and Human Physicality??

Earth seems to be morphing into one big concentration-camp -- and into a really nasty technocratic-theocracy. I am NOT opposed to high-technology and space-travel -- but if the technology and power are in the worst of hands -- we are truly screwed. Somewhat relatedly -- the Ancient God of Egypt (Old World Order?) seemed to be problematic -- motivating the 'Israelites' to flee Egypt in the Exodus -- but their God of the Desert (New World Order?) seemed to be problematic, as well. It seems as if they jumped out of the frying-pan -- and into the fire. Everyone seems to hate the New World Order -- but would a regime-change put us right back into bed with the Old World Order???!!! The Archangelic-Christ seems to be a third option -- but what if said Christ is somewhat feeble and rusty -- after being disempowered, disenfranchised, misused, and abused for thousands of years???!!! Would a Nasty Orion-Sirius-Atlantean-Babylonian-Egyptian-Grecian-Roman-British-American Empire need to be replaced with a Namaste-Constitutional-Responsible-Freedom Orion-Sirius-Atlantean-Babylonian-Egyptian-Grecian-Roman-British-American Empire???!!! Talk about a Can of Worms!!! Talk about Playing with Burning Magnesium!!! OMG!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo&feature=related

I keep wondering what insiders in Orion, Sirius, Gizeh-Intelligence, Rome, London, Washington DC, the United Nations, and the Dark Side of the Moon -- REALLY think about this thread (if they even know about it) in their most-private and innermost thoughts???!!! It's impossible for me to get it completely right (or perhaps even partially right) without being an Unbiased-Insider -- but what about the General Direction of This Thread??? My guess is that my proposed 'United States of the Solar System' would initially make just about everyone livid and furious -- but what might they think after they calmed-down and considered all of the options and alternatives??? My guess is that this concept would have to be initially opposed -- and then embraced (with modifications). How else would it get done??? Just don't crash the economy with some stupid announcement or press-conference. What Would Edward Bernays Say and Do??? Siriusly!!! Once again, in 'real-life' I'm a cross between a Dud and a Disaster -- but within the hallowed walls of this sacred thread -- I think there might be something of value for 'All Concerned' (a term I used repeatedly when conversing with the 'Ancient Egyptian Deity'). Regarding the hypothetical 10,000 USSS Representatives -- what if 1,000 representatives were always in or around Vatican City, 1,000 in or around the City of London, 1,000 in or around Washington DC, 1,000 in or around the United Nations, and 1,000 in or around the Dark Side of the Moon -- with the remaining 5,000 spread strategically and beneficially throughout the Solar System -- communicating with each other and voting via InterPlaNet??? What would the proper role of God, King, and Queen be in a hypothetical United States of the Solar System??? Again, I am seeking to achieve a mysterious blend of the Royal and Servant Models -- and I am seeking a constructive integration of Divine Sovereignty, Human Sovereignty, Absolute Obedience, and Responsible Freedom. Do you see my point??? This is a helluva juggling act, isn't it???!!! Consider the wise words of Bill Cooper. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvPn4BJaUlc

Carol wrote: Personal Note: One of the key phrases I read in numerous financial reports is economic growth model. Years back growth was dependent upon quality - not quantity. Has anyone thought to put quality back into what it means to produce something? Better yet - instead of growth model why not a self-sustaining model where resources are put back into the infrastructure? What would it take to clean up the environment where there is clean air, water and the earth is back to sustaining itself as compared to the current situation of badly sustainable where fish, foul and life on the planet are dying off due to current pollutants. Wouldn't a focus on sustainable living really be a growth model that would be of benefit to life itself. Since the early 1900s - a hundred years ago, the myopic eye of business has been on the bottom line at the expense of the environment and condition of life on the planet. Is humankind so completely stupid to not understand this type of business mindset is detrimental to all life on the planet? Or is this just the mindset of a few out to get what they can for themselves at the expense of the rest of life on the planet? Clearly one can say what has been happening over the past 100 years with respect to pollution is a mitigated disaster. Just look and nuclear energy. I knew back in the 70s nuclear energy was a very bad idea. In fact, anyone with the facts at hand in terms of the risk to our precious environment would come to the logical conclusion that using nuclear energy was a significant disaster waiting to happen.

What really galls me is that free energy has been available since Tesla and ever since the days of Tesla, the few, the powerful and the rich sought to exploit the many for their own self-serving purposes. Free energy exists. That's a fact. Free energy that does not pollute exists. That's a fact. The breakaway civilization that lives underground in secret cities and off-world use it. That's a fact. Keeping nations in a state of war where they scramble for the few resources that are available to them is also a tragic fact. Especially when all that needs to happen is to open the door where information and resources are freely given to those who live on the surface of this planet. The self-serving oligarchy needs to end. There really is enough for everyone if resources were managed where even the youth were given and taught the basis in self-sustaining living which involves building shelter from the earth itself, raising vertical gardens/fish and harvesting water from the air - energy from the sun. All of this is possible, viable and yet does not happen. Why? What will it take to break up the bottleneck and get self-sustainable life on the right track?

We know vehicles can be powered by air, by magnetics, by water, by vegetable oil. Why so dependent upon oil which is abiotic? Knowledge is freedom to pursue self-sustainability without harm to our earthly environment. If this were the bottom line of corporate world can you imagine the type of world we would all be living in?

I really liked what you said, Carol. I keep wondering if Earth Economics has everything to do with maximizing the money and resources going off-world -- as both punishment and payment???!!! Earth seems to be a Galactic Debtor's Prison Planet. Consider S.R. Haddon in 'Contact'. Remember when he spoke of how much he had 'taken' from Earth??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SbKE_U4b7U The bottom-line is the bottom-line. Follow the Money (all the way to the Moon, Mars, Sirius, and Orion???). BTW -- I like the idea of replacing 'Free-Enterprise' with 'Responsible-Enterprise' wherein 'Responsibility is Rewarded' and 'Irresponsibility is Punished'. Imagine a cross between Palmer Joss and Rachael Constantine (in 'Contact')!!! I liked both of them!!! When seeking the source of criminal-activity, it is often useful to 'follow the money' to who is REALLY behind the murder and mayhem -- and not just stop with the hit-men and errand-boys. People are mad at the Federal Reserve, the Internal Revenue Service, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, the Royals, the Pope, et al -- but who do the Powers That Be take orders from??? There's a Cancer Growing on the Galaxy. I'm just trying to make sense out of the last 10,000 years -- from a very non-traditional theological perspective -- which might be very important if we are on the brink of extinction -- as sinners in the hands of an angry god and/or goddess. I really think we should carefully consider all of the possibilities -- and I am simply modeling one or two possibilites -- relative to a reptilian v grey v human uncivil-war among soul-relatives -- going way back. I'm considering a non-ideal theological history -- with the hope of an idealistic theological future. Hope springs eternal.

Regarding the new mosquito-drone, the one claiming to be an Ancient Egyptian Deity told me that they watched me (unseen) as I walked through the woods on my daily walk -- and that I was observed even while I showered!!! I got the feeling that they might've been most closely associated with the New World Order -- but that they might've been taking orders from the Old World Order (historically -- if not presently). I don't know how much I should say about my close-encounter. I don't wish to make a big-deal about it -- yet I feel that I should tactfully communicate certain aspects of this very strange several months of my otherwise very boring and stupid existence. One more thing -- sometimes, while talking with said Deity -- another personality seemed to come through them, and speak to me. I might be mistaken -- but that was my impression. You would be amazed and shocked if you knew what I have envisioned and thought about throughout my life. Becoming an 'Insider' might be somewhat anticlimactic and boring for me!!! I really do think that being an 'Insider' is quite overrated. In a sense, I'd like for everyone to be an 'Insider' -- with very few perks and priviledges for the actual 'Insiders'. In a sense, being an 'Insider' should be something that no one really wishes to be -- but that some of us will 'have-to' be 'Insiders' simply because it involves boring and difficult tasks which must be done by someone. "It's a nasty job -- but somebody has to do it". Decades ago, I told a medical-doctor that being God was a nasty job that someone had to perform -- and they thought I was nuts -- and they were right!!! They're coming to take me away -- to the Dark Side of the Moon!!! I've finally turned to the Dark Side of the Force -- and I'm not speaking of the Detroit Police Department!!!

I've mentioned this before, but just before the new 'V' series aired, a couple of alphabet-agent types spoke to me in a rather strange manner. We talked about 'V' (they brought the subject up) and then one of them thanked me for something (I don't know what) in a very formal, fast, and rehearsed manner -- and then spoke of the 'Bitches' (plural) in a somewhat derogatory manner. I remained mostly silent and polite -- smiled and moved-on. What the hell happened?? A couple of months later, I saw one of the two, and they seemed to be very unhappy, but I don't know why. I never saw them again. I found this to be quite strange. Did they misunderstand the 'Anna' situation??? Did they think there were only a couple of 'Annas' when there might be at least three??? Rewatch the first episode of the new 'V' -- the 'It's Only the Beginning' episode -- the 'Unholy Alliance' episode -- and the last episode of the second season (in this particular episode, Anna hints that Erica Evans is just like her (Anna) in one of Erica's dreams!!). Is Erica Evans a 'Good Anna'???!!! It might also be interesting to assemble all of the Claudia Black ('Stargate SG-1'), Jane Badler, and Morena Baccarin scenes from the old and new 'V' (as well as from 'Stargate SG-1'). Just thinking. Even if this line of thinking is pure unmitigated-popycock -- it still makes for some interesting Political and Theological Science-Fiction -- doesn't it???

magamud wrote:The whole nuclear progam was the insurance plan the devil got to stamp his seal of approval for our human species. Now we are dependent on it and they are everywhere. We have literally raised Demons from hades to create steam to give us electricity. We cannot contain them and their waste last for Eons. Are you friggin kiddin me. Unfortunately our entire human dynamics masks the nuclear power pattern. Our entire society would have to let go of the current system entirely without any back up plan to release this corruption that rots our souls. Whats with out is within. And our very own interpersonal dynamics reflects society.

Well said, magamud. I keep thinking that we are experiencing Ancient Technology and an Ancient Plan Gone Bad -- with incomprehensible and unfathomable corruption. I really wish for this madness to be made right -- without a hard landing. Unfortunately, if there is some sort of a regime-change and a paradigm-shift -- it's probably going to be done in a very stupid and disruptive manner. I have tried to envision going to heaven -- without first going to hell. Would the hypothetical Three Archangelic Queens need to reconcile in order for this to occur -- or might this be impossible at this late date?? Imagine a Draconian-Reptilian 'Anna' -- a Grey-Reptilian 'Anna' -- and a Human-Reptilian 'Anna' -- in a throneroom (with the exact dimensions of Solomon's Temple) on the Dark-Side of the Moon -- with three thrones, facing each-other (in the shape of a pyramid)!!! Imagine Drac, Grey, and Human guards -- standing at attention behind their Queens!!! Imagine these three Queens debating Solar System Governance!!! I think I should stop. Carol will have the last-word of this post. I completely agree with her.

Carol wrote:Wow. Poor Italy. Well they are run by the mafiosa but so is much of the world including the US at some levels with their own style of mafiosa. I'm now of the opinion that politicians should not receive a salary and no benefits. If they had to pay out of pocket to serve maybe they would be better at doing their job. And these days they could work from home with tele-conferences and such. This certainly is a radical approach to government but since government isn't working and the populace has such a low opinion of government officials - getting rid of the deep pockets would be the way to go. Just abiding by the US Constitution and eliminating all laws that are not in alignment with the Constitution would be a healthy start.

Oxy - from what I've read of the off-worlders from contactees - they are just as much in conflict over their various different agendas as humanity is. It would seem that the good, the bad and the ugly exist across the universe. What you're seeking is the evolutions of spiritual beings across the board where they all work toward a common "good" goal. Yet as long as one is self-serving (which often is based upon basic survival needs at one level or another) this is likely not going to happen. Why? Because there are different survival needs at the different stages of spiritual and physical evolution. If we were to examine Maslow's hierarchy of needs -these needs emphasize the importance of self-actualization. He identified physiological, security, social, and esteem needs as deficiency needs, meaning that these needs arise due to deprivation. Satisfying these lower-level needs is important in order to avoid unpleasant feelings or consequences. Growth needs do not stem from a lack of something, but rather from a desire to grow as a person. Subsequently, self-actualizing people are self-aware, concerned with personal growth, less concerned with the opinions of others, and interested fulfilling their potential.

I suspect that most of us recognize that most people on the planet are just interested in basic survival. This is legitimate. However, I personally have family members who chucked it all to follow the spiritual path and to them this is what survival is all about. They own next to nothing and live in spiritual communities. Even Krishna chucked it all to spiritually fulfill himself. But again he was a prince who came from a wealthy background and as a youth/young adult never had to struggle to get his basic needs met. Ironically, we have one friend who once said if the worst was to come she would just go live in a Buddhist monastery and eat rice. And so she did for 7 years.

Carol wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PtguK73P6M
Norman Dodd: Tax Exempt Foundations and the Collectivist merger
of West and Soviet Union (3 of 4)

Published on Apr 7, 2013 - Also watch this interview with Antony C Sutton "Wall Street and the rise of Hitler & communism": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sah_Xni-gtg
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In this interview by G. Edward Griffin, Norman Dodd reveals that the hidden agenda of some US tax exempt foundation has been the merger of the Western World (Europe, North America) and the Soviet Union (Russia). This agenda is part of what some people call the New World Order or One World Government.

Norman Dodd (June 29, 1899 -- January 1987) born in New Jersey, served as chief investigator in 1953 for U.S. Congressman B. Carroll Reece Special Committee on Tax Exempt Foundations (commonly referred to as the Reece Committee). His claims about his investigative work have become the cornerstone of theories implicating the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Ford Foundation, and the Rockefeller Foundation, among others. It was stated by him that these or other foundations were involved in the intentional instigation of the United States into World War I and attempting to mold world history through the explicit control of education in the United States. - wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Dodd

"In the Dodd report to the Reece Committee on Foundations, he gave a definition of the word "subversive", saying that the term referred to "Any action having as its purpose the alteration of either the principle or the form of the United States Government by other than constitutional means." He then argued that the Ford Foundation, Rockefeller Foundation, and Carnegie Endowment were using funds excessively on projects at Columbia, Harvard, Chicago University and the University of California, in order to enable oligarchical collectivism. He stated, "The purported deterioration in scholarship and in the techniques of teaching which, lately, has attracted the attention of the American public, has apparently been caused primarily by a premature effort to reduce our meager knowledge of social phenomena to the level of an applied science ." He stated that his research staff had discovered that in "1933-1936, a change took place which was so drastic as to constitute a "revolution" ."- from Wikipedia page on Reece Committee

orthodoxymoron wrote:I keep wondering about secrecy in connection with all of the angels, demons, aliens, ufos, underground-bases, secret space-programs, genetics-laboratories, false-flag terrorism, planned-wars, planned financial-collapses, secret-societies, etc, etc. The secrets don't seem to be so secret. I keep thinking that if I were somehow at the center of all this madness -- I would keep all of the secret-stuff on the inside of the Moon -- and have everyone connected with the secret-stuff stay on the Moon -- and never, ever come back to Earth. There wouldn't be that special jet from Vegas to Area 51 for the workers. There wouldn't be an Area 51 or Dulce or ??? It would all be on the Moon -- except for the NORAD and military stuff -- or bases for protecting our fine politicians in time of nuclear-war. (I support much greater openness -- but if I were one of the 'bad-guys' connected with any 'nasty black projects' -- I might be a lot more secretive than the level of secrecy seen since World War II). The absurdies and holes in the 'system' are everywhere. Once again, I don't wish to burn my bridges with the Dracs and Greys (or ????) -- but I am completely against 'human-abuse'. If there were ancient wrongs committed by humanity and/or divinity -- this should be revealed in a tactful manner -- and dealt-with properly and openly -- or so it seems to me. I simply wish for this solar system to become a paradise for whoever lives here. I am presently a human-being -- so I am biased toward humans -- but if I knew the 'rest of the story' I might feel differently. I envision a mostly human solar system -- with constructive interaction with non-hostile and non-sinister other-than-humans. I guess I lean toward segregation, rather than integration. Could you imagine 'Greys v Board of Education' regarding forced bussing???!!! Imagine a cigar-shaped craft in school-bus yellow -- with little grey students looking out the portholes!!!

magamud wrote:Great line of insight Ortho...
We are currently in the Devils consciousness. This consciousness has an hierarchy or lets say Legion that expands many levels of awareness. This includes all levels of inter/extra terrestrial tech and mind to control. They lack insight into empathy and morality. This sociopathy then translates into our own Dark Governmenta and then does trickle down psychopathy to our very own environment and our very own minds. This is testament of our current society today.

The only reason we are not dead or not a borg is the Respect the Devil gives to God. If the devil does not play by the rules his Empire will be lost. So the devil has a certain amount of time to degrade gods work, our species and have a good time doing it. A lot of the current confusion and drama stems from the Devil just making fun of us. His/her favorite thing is to mock and not necessarily kill.

gscraig wrote:These responses are hilarious. Unfortunately, typical to a certain extent.

Keeping secrets and workers on the moon will only heighten was exist today. People will long wonder, why are we using the moon for such things? Why are we not making it accessible to all and exactly who owns the moon on this planet to assume the right to harbor secrets there to begin with? Please, enough with the United Solar System, etc in almost every response you have. It tends to make a mockery of legitimate subject matter. Regardless how well thought out the response. LOL, you don't want to burn bridges with the Dracs or Greys. WOW!

Now, to this Satan and God baffoonery. First of all I grew up in a church, sang in its choir, and my family is very religious. However, I've done my homework over the years and have seen, experienced and can do some things that unequivocally says DON'T BELIEVE IN THESE WRITINGS...not in it's entirety. With that said, there are hundreds of pages that was removed from the Bible and a few other books, yet we humans embrace it's forever conflicting messages. The truth does not conflict, remember that.

We are worshiping an ALL LOVING, PEACEFUL BEING that has killed, punished, tortured, threatened humanity and has expressed being envious. Tell us not to fear, but yet suggest we fear his name. This of course added to this same superior error free being VIOLATING ITS OWN COMMANDMENTS. However, we never thought that we are actually WORSHIPING that which you believe you are standing against? There are enough pieces. Reposition them, free your thinking and put the puzzle together to where the pieces will start to fit.

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Floyd wrote:

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orthodoxymoron wrote:What worries me is spying on perceived political and religious enemies -- passing judgment -- and then imprisoning, sterilizing, or exterminating them. This thing is a slippery-slope...

yes, this is a real danger.

Exactly but it its not just about exterminating poltical and religious enemies but also the vulnerable and those not seen as being up to the required human standard. Once you start where do you stop?

Carol wrote:

Floyd wrote:

Carol wrote:Recently, I was reading again about how others wish to manipulate the world population into a one-world religion utilizing a staged event that supposed would involve the 2nd coming of Christ. Then I read where one contactee suggested the Bible was written by the illuminate who may now be manipulating events to fulfill their agenda for a one-world government and one-world religion. If successful - this is a pickle on multiple levels for those who cling to their beliefs and don't wish to change. And a one-world religion could also be a form of mind-control enslavement. It's easy enough to see how some who wish to control others would push for a one-world religion. Hence, my subsequent abandonment of all religions. I just can't excited about rituals any more other then weddings. Those are fun.

I think the idea that a one world religion is being touted is mostly based on flimsy foundations and third rate poorly researched youtube videos posted by non academics and religious zealots. To look for the answers to that we have to examine closely, the religions and beliefs where this 'new religion' is allegedly being fermented. The New Age.

Now, the first thing to understand is that there is no such thing as a New Age Religion.

A good place to start is with Hinduism. people are under the misconception that Hinduism is one religion when it is not. In fact it is far from it. The systems that are grouped under, 'the religions of the Indus' can vary between atheism,(Samkya)devotional deism (various) and almost Buddhism (Advaita Vedanta)It is an error to perceive of Hinduism as being one religion just as it is an error to view the 'New Age Movement as being one cohesive religion with an agenda.

Like Hinduism, the 'New Age Movement' is an umbrella term for many differing beliefs ranging from religious syncreticism,Sufism,Spiritualist,occultism, pagan religions,witchcraft,UFO cults,alienism,ascensionism,apocalyptic religions,psychological and self improvement cults and so on. It is often the case that many of these belief systems are opposed and even fractious and more often than not they disagree on a great many thing.

It would be useful to remember that there has been a large amount of negative propaganda imitated against groups like the Theosophical society and Alice Bailey's organisation by the catholic church and Judeo Christian religion in general. The reason for that is because of the criticisms by such groups on organised religion and the anthropomorphism of Judaism and Christianity coupled with their efforts to introduce the spiritual and philosophical systems of Eastern schools into western consciousness.

The return of the Christ, messiah or world teacher comes not only from theosophical traditions but also from Shia Islam, some Buddhist schools, christianity and Judaism. It should be noted that Alice Baileys Lucis trust is denounced by some theosophiphical groups who themselves suffered humiliation over the introduction of Krishnamurti as the World Teacher. So you see there is really not one group saying the same thing. It is practically non existent and to such otherwise is incorrect.

The reality of the situation is the influence of Theosophical Societies and the Lucis Trust is waning. Their membership is elderly and the funds which once used to roll in from wealthy female benefactors have dried up. I understand that the Lucis Trust and its elderly membership are in financial crisis and that outdated esoteric societies have now been replaced by modern groups ranging from UFO Cults (adamski, Pelley. Williamson, Aetherius, Clow Starr etc) to the slick self empowerment psychological and religious groups and writers that have taken their Theosophical influences and developed their own themes, not to mention the countless ascended master groups all of whom are denounced by the TS such as the right wing fronts of Ballards I AM Movement and Claire Prophet's Buddha UFO esoteric Christianity mish mash, CUT

For me alienist religions are just as daft as Baileys esoteric rambling. There are many parallels between channelers, contactees, aliens and masters. I would go as far to say its the same thing, different archetypes. None of it is particularly useful.

So there is no new age movement and they are bickering with each other, one master said this, one alien said that ad infinitum, pretty much like main stream religions.
On closer examination you will find that whilst much of the above groups are self indulgent and deeply flawed there is also a lot of propaganda built up against them because they go against the strand of Judeo Christianity. Some of the groups, neath the new age umbrella deserve all the criticism they get,and they involve the far right groups who put bastardised theosophy,arisophy,armenism,ufoism,alienism,fascism and pseudo scientific theories on race into a big bowl and give it a big stir. They dont take to criticism kindly either.

Bluebeam is nonsense and is most definitely a hoax along with the myriad XXXX and bull stories prevelant over the internet and that have been put out over the decades.

It is no different from mainstream religion Carol. Entrenching oneself in any belief system is the first mistake one can make.

There is just so much BS about.

Like the concrete spaceship for example. It did bring the exploration team lots of publicity though. Job done.

Sorry Floyd but you built your hypothesis on facts that are false. Project Blue Beam technology exists. What is done with it is anyone's guess.

I'm also aware that Project BlueBook existed because the person who was working on that articular Project vacationed at my parents place. In addition, my parents were witness to a UFO which hovered over the lake at night for an hour - right next to their home. It wasn't just some fly by sighting but instead an extended stay.

Perhaps it would be worth your while to consider that some of us have life experience that exceeds your parameters of knowledge.

I'm currently not wedded to any particular belief system (religious or otherwise other then thinking the 10 Commandments are worth following - along with the US Constitution), which is why I said I've abandoned religion as it just doesn't work for me. However, I prefer the scientific method when it comes to spiritual growth and development, which was my original attraction to, and practice of Astanga Yoga before you were even born. But that's another story. And due to my own long history and personal spiritual experience with Christ, I accept Christ as a fundamental part of my personal reality.

Furthermore, having spent quite a bit of time with a variety of spiritual masters the best suggestion out there I can recommend is don't knock it until you've tried it.

And from all the Buddhists that I know (including family members) none of them view the Buddha as a savior. Instead they view him as a spiritual teacher with a scientific method, if followed, allowed practioners to have similar spiritual 'frequency' experiences. Buddhism is a peaceful way of life as is Sant Mat. The goal is to still the monkey mind so that one can experience spiritual enlightenment on ones own through personal effort.

"What Would Loki Do??"

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magamud wrote:Ya thats some living, thanks....

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Aquaries1111 wrote:Hi Oxy,

I want you to know I am still reading you.. I am only on page 2 though of your beautiful path thread. I almost wish I had started the path the same time you did, I wouldn't feel so left behind then.. Okay I'll stop whinging.. I know, I know, we are multi-dimensional and what existed then also exists now.. so now is where I am to read.. so bee it..

Your Bill Cooper link has sent me on a Bill Cooper download overload.. I need to get back to study and get back to page 2.. There's so much information I almost need to just close myself off and focus on your precious thread. I do know it's precious..

Aquaries1111 wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:I presently think that Alex Jones should be included in a broad and balanced pursuit of forbidden knowledge. I can only listen to a couple of shows a month. I can only take so much negativity. I agree with most of what Alex and his guests say -- but my style and modus operandi is very different -- at least for now. I feel very guilty when I listen to Alex. He has ten times the brains and guts I have. I'm trying to be on the sides of the Powers-That-Be -- and the Conspiracy-Theorist-Recalcitrant-Malcontents. I suppose this causes me to be somewhat wishy-washy -- but this will continue to be my path into the forseeable future. I feel as if I Need to be Able to Properly Deal with EVERYONE and EVERYTHING -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES AT ANY TIME. Anyway, the least I can do regarding Alex Jones is to post something each day concerning his show. I'll mostly just copy and paste the show description from www.prisonplanet.com

March 14 -- Alex talks with Roman Yampolskiy, a computer scientist at the University of Louisville in Kentucky, who recently wrote an article about the danger to humanity from AI and super-intelligent computers. Mr. Yampolskiy is trained in the fields of programming, forensics, biometrics and artificial intelligence. Alex also covers the latest on the Kony 2012 propaganda push, the prospect of the TSA being evicted from the nation's airports, and the PR problem for Obama's war effort following the arrest of a soldier in Afghanistan who is charged with killing 16 civilians. Alex also covers other important news of the day and takes your calls.

March 15 -- On the Thursday, March 15 edition of the Alex Jones Show, Alex talks in-studio with Edward T. Haslam, a former advertising music director and author of Dr. Mary's Monkey, a book that covers the 1964 murder of a nationally known cancer researcher and uncovers medical professionals enmeshed in covert government operations over the course of three decades. Mr. Haslam's book is available at the Infowars Store. Additional guests include former newspaper journalist and New York Times best-selling author Jim Marrs, author of The Trillion-Dollar Conspiracy: How the New World Order, Man-Made Diseases, and Zombie Banks Are Destroying America. Alex talks with former federal prosecutor and a former member of the United States House of Representatives, Bob Barr. Mr. Barr was the Libertarian Party nominee for president in the 2008 election.

March 16 -- On the Friday, March 16 edition of the Alex Jones Show, Alex talks with Sanyu, the Ugandan woman behind the “Kony 2012 Video is Misleading” video on YouTube that has gone viral with over 2 million views since March 7. Alex also talks with Infowars.com editor and journalist Patrick Henningsen in-studio. Alex covers the latest news, including more bad news about the economy with gasoline prices leading the charge as the cost of living and inflation move upward despite rosy predictions of recovery by the government. Alex also takes your calls.

Bye Bye Alex

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Aquaries1111. I've seen that clip before, but I'll watch it again. I also heard a Cooper/Jones interview where Cooper was somewhat testy toward Jones. I just take everything in. Then I pick and choose. I don't hitch myself to anyone in particular. I suspect that anyone who is anyone -- even in the esoteric and conspiracy realms -- are compromised, infiltrated, and subverted -- in various ways, and to various extents. I think this is a very messy game. I don't think in terms of black and white. I like Bill Cooper and Alex Jones -- but in very different ways. I especially like the Alex Jones documentaries and interviews. I was going to keep this thread updated on a daily basis -- but then I had computer problems -- and I guess I lost interest. My concern with Alex and the Patriot Movement -- is that it could easily morph into something violent and destructive. The truth is that upsetting -- and if there is not a healthy dose of pastoral moderation -- this thing could get very ugly. I have no plans to do anything other than what I'm doing right now -- other than to possibly write some sort of a book and/or screenplay at a later date. I presently don't know enough about what's really going on to do this in a responsible manner. Here is today's show. http://www.prisonplanet.com/

On the Wednesday, June 27 edition of the Alex Jones Show, Alex talks with Leslie Manookian, writer and producer of the award winning film The Greater Good, a documentary that questions government vaccination policies. The film is now available on DVD at the Infowars Store. Manookian was a successful Wall Street business executive who once worked for Goldman Sachs before turning to films. Alex also runs down the latest news, including an admission by the Pentagon that putting troops on the streets of America is illegal. He also covers the globalist engineered war against Syria where rebels financed and trained by Western intelligence agencies are now ransacking Christian churches. Alex also takes your calls and tackles other important news items.

Aquaries1111 wrote:Thanks Oxy,

I know your stance on being "open minded"... I like Bill Coopers stance too.. Believe Nothing, not even him. Good old common sense is important when discerning..

Ron Paul says: The real war is of ideas...

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Aquaries1111. That was an excellent clip. I like Ron Paul because he seems to know how to work within the system -- without being corrupted by it. I especially like his book 'A Foreign Policy of Freedom'. I went to a Ron Paul rally in Las Vegas several years ago at the University of Nevada at Las Vegas -- and I was amazed at the numbers and enthusiasm of the young people. I later wrote a Ron Paul speech and sent it to the campaign -- but I don't think they ever used it. It's posted on the 'United States of the Solar System' thread. I included massive doses of 'Responsibility-Language' to modify and moderate the 'Freedom-Message'. BTW -- an Ancient Egyptian Deity told me that Ron Paul would be bad for America!! They asked me what I thought about Alex Jones!! My answer was basically what I've said so far in this thread.

Proposed Ron Paul Presidential Campaign Speech (Not Used)

Fellow Americans! Friends of Freedom! Our beloved United States of America is suffering and languishing under the dark storm clouds of oppression and irresponsibility! Those who have been given the sacred trust of upholding the Constitution, with its guarantees of freedom and justice for all, have been derelict in their duties! A few short years ago, it was morning in America! The midnight of Viet Nam and Watergate were behind us! The sunrise was spectacular! A bright new optimism filled the land! Well, my friends, it’s midnight again! The Constitution and Freedom are in grave peril from irresponsibility and outright hostility!

My candidacy for the Presidency of the United States is a call for freedom! In ancient Egypt, as described in the Bible, Moses demanded that Pharaoh release the Israelites from captivity! Well, as Moses looked Pharaoh in the eye, I’m looking all of those who are opposed to the Constitution and Freedom, both nationally and internationally, intently in the eye, and exclaiming, “Let my people go!”

But freedom isn’t free! The price of freedom is responsibility! And often, sacrifice is the cost of doing responsible business in an often irresponsible world! Our courageous and noble men and women of the armed forces are a blood-stained testimony to the high price of freedom! We are indebted to them in ways which can never be fully repaid!

Having said that, we as a nation have irresponsibly squandered our capital of being the example to the world of the moral high-ground! Our nation is no longer the shining city on a hill that it once was! As a result, despite global warming, our world is experiencing an eerie chill!

But there is Hope for America, and for the World! It is the hope provided for us by our Founding Fathers, that by reverently obeying the Constitution of the United States of America, in both the spirit and in the letter of the law, the truth will set us free! And keep us free! We shall overcome!

The following is my 12 step plan to sober up a federal government, intoxicated with its own Power and Arrogance, and to restore Freedom and Responsibility to its rightful place in our nation and world:

Number 1: Apply Freedom and Responsibility to Racial Diversity!

Our nation is obsessed with racial group identities of us and them! This is the heart of racism! Government as an institution is particularly ill-suited to combat bigotry! Bigotry at its essence is a problem of the heart, and we cannot change people’s hearts by passing more laws and regulations! It is the federal government that most divides us by race, class, religion, and gender! Through its taxes, restrictive regulations, corporate subsidies, racial set-asides, and welfare programs, government plays far too large a role in determining who succeeds and who fails! Its excessive and inappropriate responsibility is actually irresponsibility! Sometimes to do less is to be more responsible! Government “benevolence” crowds out genuine goodwill by institutionalizing group thinking, thus making each group suspicious that others are receiving more of the government loot than they are! This leads to resentment and hostility among us! Incidentally, this principle is also applicable to foreign policy!

Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism! Simply, the mindset that throws people into stereotypical groups rather than viewing each person as a unique individual! Racists believe that all people who share superficial physical characteristics are alike! As collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups! To echo the words of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., they judge people by the color of their skin, rather than by the content of their characters! By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called “diversity” actually perpetuate racism! To separate is to discriminate!

The true cure for the plague of racism is freedom! Freedom means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims! Freedom means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence - not skin color, gender, or ethnicity!

In a free society, every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality! This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant! Racism will endure until we stop thinking in terms of groups and begin thinking in terms of individual freedom! The corrective lenses of freedom and responsibility make us color blind!

Number 2: Apply Freedom and Responsibility to Debt and Taxes!

Working Americans like lower taxes! So do I! Lower taxes benefit all of us, creating jobs and allowing us to make more decisions for ourselves about our lives!

Whether a tax cut reduces a single mother’s payroll taxes by $40 a month, or allows a business owner to save thousands in capital gains taxes, enabling them to hire more employees…that tax cut is a good thing! Lower taxes allow more spending, saving, and investing which helps the economy! Tax cuts benefit everyone, except the bureaucrats!

Real conservatives have always supported low taxes and low spending! Unfortunately, the neo-cons just don’t get it! They’re doing just the opposite! They are wolves in conservatives clothing! Or maybe a Trojan Horse would be a more fit description! Too many politicians and lobbyists are spending America into ruin! We are nine trillion dollars in debt as a nation! This is irresponsible and inexcusable! Our mounting government debt endangers the financial future of our children and grandchildren! If we don’t cut spending now, higher taxes and economic disaster will be in their future…and yours!

In addition, the Federal Reserve, our central bank, fosters runaway debt by increasing the money supply - making each dollar in your pocket worth less! The Fed is a private bank run by unelected officials who are not required to be open or accountable to “we the people!” What a strange arrangement! Go to the library and research the Fed’s beginnings! Make sure you’re sitting down!

Worse, our economy and our very independence as a nation is increasingly in the hands of foreign governments such as China and Saudi Arabia, because their central banks also finance our runaway spending! When we owe them, they own us!

We cannot continue to allow private banks, wasteful agencies, lobbyists, corporations on welfare, and governments collecting foreign aid to dictate the size of our ballooning budget! We need a new method to prioritize our spending! It’s called the Constitution of the United States! What a thought!

Number 3: Apply Freedom and Responsibility to American Independence and Sovereignty!

So called free trade deals and world governmental organizations like the International Criminal Court (ICC), NAFTA, GATT, WTO, and CAFTA are a threat to our independence as a nation! They transfer power from our government to unelected foreign elites! Didn’t we have a revolution a few years ago to deal with this sort of thing?!

The ICC wants to try our soldiers as war criminals! Both the WTO and CAFTA could force Americans to get a doctor’s prescription to take herbs and vitamins! Alternative treatments could be banned! What’s wrong with this picture?!

The WTO has forced Congress to change our laws, yet we still face trade wars! Today, France is threatening to have U.S. goods taxed throughout Europe! If anything, the WTO makes trade relations worse by giving foreign competitors a new way to attack U.S. jobs! Sounds like unfair trade to me!

NAFTA’s superhighway is just one part of a plan to erase the borders between the U.S. and Mexico, called the North American Union! This spawn of powerful special interests, would create a single nation out of Canada, the U.S. and Mexico, with a new unelected bureaucracy and money system! Forget about controlling immigration under this scheme!

And a free America, with limited, constitutional government, would be gone forever! This apparently is the goal!

Let’s not forget the UN! It wants to impose a direct tax on us! I successfully fought this move in Congress last year, but if we are going to stop ongoing attempts of this world government body to tax us, we will need responsible leadership from the White House!

We must withdraw from any organizations and trade deals that infringe upon the freedom and independence of the United States of America! It’s a matter of our survival as a free nation! It is irresponsible to stand idly by, and watch the United States being taken over by foreign interests!

Number 4: Apply Freedom and Responsibility to War and Foreign Policy!

The war in Iraq was sold to us with false information! The area is more dangerous now than when we entered it! We destroyed a regime hated by our direct enemies, the jihadists, and created thousands of new recruits for them! This war has cost more than 3,000 American lives, thousands of seriously wounded, and hundreds of billions of dollars! We must have new leadership in the White House to ensure this never happens again!

We need to leave Iraq immediately! We continue to keep our hands on a very hot stove, and we are burning our fingertips right up to our armpits! When a mistake is made, it should be admitted and corrected! This is the responsible thing to do! And despite the shrill cries, it is the honorable thing to do! Support and Liberate our troops! Bring them home!

Both Jefferson and Washington warned us about entangling ourselves in the affairs of other nations! Today, we have troops in 130 countries! We are spread so thin that we have too few troops defending America! And now, there are new calls for a draft of our young men and women! To fight for the UN?!

We can irresponsibly continue to fund and fight no-win police actions around the globe, where we make enemies faster than we can kill them! Or, we can bring our troops home, and properly secure America! This is the logical and right thing to do! No war should ever be fought without a declaration of war voted upon by the Congress, as responsibly required by the Constitution!

Under no circumstances should the U.S. again go to war as the result of a resolution that comes from an unelected, foreign body, such as the United Nations! Whose country is this, anyway?!

Too often we give foreign aid and intervene on behalf of governments that are despised! Then, we become despised! Guilt by association! Too often we have supported those who turn on us, like the Kosovars who aid Islamic terrorists, or the Afghan jihadists themselves, and their friend Osama bin Laden! We armed and trained them, and now we’re paying the price! Will we ever learn?!

At the same time, we must not isolate ourselves! We must not be isolationist or interventionist! Both are highly dysfunctional international behaviors! We must engage in cooperation and constructive competition with every nation on the face of the earth! What an invigorating and interesting interaction! Constructive competition, such as trade and athletics, builds up! Destructive competition, such as war and terrorism, destroys! The generosity of the American people has been felt around the globe! Many have thanked God for it, in many languages! Let us have a strong America, conducting open trade, travel, communication, and diplomacy with other nations! We might even achieve world peace! After thousands of years of fighting, what would we do with all of the money and lives we would save?! It would take some serious readjustment!! We have to hate somebody…don’t we?!

Number 5: Apply Freedom and Responsibility to Unborn Life!

The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideals of liberty! My professional and legislative record demonstrates my strong commitment to this pro-life principle!

In 40 years of medical practice, I never once considered performing an abortion, nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman!

In Congress, I have authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, HR 1094!

I am also the prime sponsor of HR 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life! This is a practical, direct approach to ending federal court tyranny which threatens our constitutional republic and has caused the deaths of 45 million of the unborn! Didn’t something similar occur in the 1940’s?!

I have also authored HR 1095, which prevents federal funds from being used for so-called “population control!”

Many talk about being pro-life! I have taken direct action to restore protection for the unborn!

One more thing to think about…when heartbeats and brainwaves cease…a person is declared dead! When heartbeats and brainwaves commence…shouldn’t a baby be declared alive?! If someone then causes the baby’s heartbeats and brainwaves to cease, shouldn’t they be charged with murder?! Whether the baby is inside or outside of the mother should be irrelevant!

Abortion is an irresponsible way to deal with irresponsibility!

As an OB/GYN doctor, I’ve delivered over 4,000 babies! That experience has made me an unshakable foe of abortion! Many of you may have read my book, Challenge To Liberty, which champions the idea that there cannot be liberty in a society unless the rights of all innocents are protected! Much can be understood about the civility of a society in observing its regard for the dignity of human life!

Number 6: Apply Freedom and Responsibility to the Second Amendment!

I share our Founder’s belief that in a free society each citizen must have the right to keep and bear arms! They ratified the Second Amendment knowing that this right is the guardian of every other right, and they all would be horrified by the proliferation of unconstitutional legislation that prevents law-abiding Americans from exercising this right!

I have always supported the Second Amendment and these are some of the bills I have introduced in the current Congress to help restore respect for it:

* H.R. 1096 includes provisions repealing the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act and the Federal Firearms License Reform Act of 1993, two invasive and unconstitutional bills!

* H.R. 1897 would end the ban on carrying a firearm in the National Park System, restoring American’s ability to protect themselves in potentially hazardous situations!

* H.R. 3305 would allow pilots and specially assigned law enforcement personnel to carry firearms in order to protect airline passengers, possibly preventing future 9/11-style attacks!

* H.R. 1146 would end our membership in the United Nations, protecting us from their attempts to tax our guns or disarm us entirely!

In the past, I introduced legislation to repeal the so-called “assault weapons” ban before its 2004 sunset, and I will oppose any attempts to reinstate it!

I also recently opposed H.R. 2640, which would allow government-appointed psychiatrists to ban U.S. veterans experiencing even mild forms of Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome from ever owning a gun!

But responsibility is necessary to preserve freedom! Gun Responsibility Classes should be voluntarily taken by current and prospective gun owners! Rights and Responsibilities go hand in hand! Self-discipline is necessary to avoid State-discipline!

You have the right to protect your life, liberty, and property! As President, I will continue to guard the liberties stated in the Second Amendment!

Number 7: Apply Freedom and Responsibility to Social Security!

Our nation’s promise to its seniors, once considered a sacred trust, has become little more than a tool for politicians to scare retirees while robbing them of their promised benefits! Today, the Social Security system is financially broke and structurally broken!

Those currently in the system are seeing their benefits dwindle! Raising taxes and increasing the age of eligibility are NOT solutions! They are irresponsible betrayals!

Imposing any tax on Social Security benefits is unfair and illogical! In Congress, I have introduced the Senior Citizens Tax Elimination Act (H.R. 191), which repeals ALL taxes on Social Security benefits, to eliminate political theft of our senior’s income, and to raise their standard of living!

Solvency is the key to keeping our promise to our seniors, and I have introduced the Social Security Preservation Act (H.R. 219) to ensure that money paid into the system is only used for Social Security! Social Security has been an irresistible cookie jar for many irresponsible politicians to reach into with their dirty, money grubbing fingers! Hands Off!

It is fundamentally unfair to give benefits to anyone who has not paid into the system! The Social Security for Americans Only Act (H.R. 190) ends the drain on Social Security caused by illegal aliens seeking the fruits of your labor!

We must also address the desire of younger workers to save and invest on their own! We should cut payroll taxes and give workers the opportunity to seek better returns in the private market! This step would bring the incentives and rewards of free market capitalism to the stagnant Social Security system!

Excessive government spending has created the insolvency crisis in Social Security! We must significantly reduce spending so that our nation can keep its promise to our seniors!
Let’s get our priorities straight!

Number 8: Apply Freedom and Responsibility to Education!

The federal government does not own our children! Yet we act as if it does by letting it decide when, how, and what our children will learn! We irresponsibly allow the federal government to irresponsibly program our children! We have turned their futures over to lobbyists and bureaucrats! They are unfit step-parents!

I support giving educational control back to parents, who know their children better than any politician in D. C. ever will!

The federal government has no constitutional authority to fund or control schools! I want to abolish the unconstitutional, wasteful Department of Education and return its functions to the states! By removing the federal subsidies that inflate costs, schools can be funded by local taxes, and parents and teachers can directly decide how best to allocate the resources! This step would include elimination of all unfunded educational mandates by the federal government!

To help parents with the costs of schooling, I have introduced H.R. 1056, the Family Education Freedom Act, in Congress! This bill would allow parents a tax credit of up to $5,000 (adjustable after 2007 for inflation) per student per year for the cost of attendance at an elementary and/or secondary school! This includes private, parochial, religious, and home schools!

Another bill I have sponsored, H.R. 1059, allows full-time elementary and secondary teachers a $3,000 yearly tax credit, thus easing their financial burden and encouraging good teachers to stay in an underpaid profession! The best and the brightest should teach our children today, if we want our children to be the best and the brightest tomorrow!

Many parents have already shown their desire to be free of federal control by either enrolling their children in private schools or home schooling them! And students enrolled in these alternatives have consistently performed better and tested higher than those in state-run schools! Each child is a unique treasure! We should do whatever works to maximize the realization of their potential! How many genius’s have been lost in the cracks of our mass produced, cookie cutter educational system?! A mind is too precious of a thing to waste in a terrible school!

My commitment to home schooling as an educational alternative for American families is unmatched by any Presidential candidate!

Returning control of education to parents is the centerpiece of my education agenda! As President I will advance tax credits through the Family Education Freedom Act, which reduces taxes to make it easier for parents to home school by allowing them to devote more of their own funds to their children’s education!

I am committed to guaranteeing parity for home school diplomas and advancing equal scholarship consideration for students entering college from a home school environment!

We must have permanency in the Department of Defense Home School Tier 1 Pilot Program, providing recruitment status parity for home school graduates! I will use my authority to prevent the Department of Education from regulating home school activities!

I will veto any legislation that creates national standards or national testing for home school parents or students! I’m not a big fan of No Child Left Behind! But I’m even less of a fan of No Politician Left Behind! I believe that, as long as No Child Left Behind remains law, it must include the protections for home schoolers included in sec. 9506 (enshrining home schooler’s rights) and 9527 (guaranteeing no national curriculum)! Every student is unique, and should not be stifled with a one-size-fits-all mold!

Federal monies must never be used to undermine the rights of home schooling parents! I will use the bully pulpit of the Presidency to encourage a culture of educational freedom throughout the nation!

Years of centralized education have produced nothing but student failures and frustrated parents! We can resurrect our public school system if we follow the Constitution and end the federal education monopoly! Let our children go!

Number 9: Apply Freedom and Responsibility to Border Security and Immigration Reform!

The talk must stop! We must secure our borders now! A nation without secure borders is no nation at all! It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked! This is irresponsibility, bordering on treason!

This is my six point plan:

1. Physically secure our borders and coastlines! We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals!

2. Enforce visa rules! Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law! This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas!

3. No amnesty! Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally! That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws! The definition of freedom does not include freedom from obeying the law! And disregarding the word illegal is the beginning of the end of law and order in our society!

4. No welfare for illegal aliens! Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules! But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services!

5. End birthright citizenship! As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong!

6. Pass true immigration reform! The current system is incoherent and unfair! But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation! This is insanity! Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods! There should be reasonable numbers of responsible immigrants! There should be zero illegal, irresponsible or dangerous immigrants! And no one should be allowed to cut to the front of the line!

Number 10: Apply Freedom and Responsibility to Privacy, Personal Liberty, and Private Property!

The biggest threat to your privacy is the government! We must drastically limit the ability of government to collect and store data regarding citizen’s personal matters!

We must stop the move toward a national ID! A national ID with new tracking technologies means we’re heading into an Orwellian world of no privacy! I voted against the Real ID Act in March of 2005!

To date, the privacy focus has been on identity theft. It was Congress that created this danger by mandating use of the standard identifier (currently your SSN) in the private sector! For example, banks use SSNs as customer account identifiers because the government requires it!

We must also protect medical privacy! Right now, you’re vulnerable! Under so-called “medical privacy protection” rules, insurance companies and other entities have access to your personal medical information! This is the epitome of irresponsibility!

Financial privacy? Right now depositing $10,000 or more in cash in your local bank account will generate a federally-mandated report to the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network at the United States Department of the Treasury!

And then there’s the so-called Patriot Act! As originally proposed, it:

* Expanded the federal government’s ability to use wiretaps without judicial oversight!
* Allowed nationwide search warrants non-specific to any given location, nor subject to any local judicial oversight!
* Made it far easier for the government to monitor private internet usage!
* Authorized “sneak and peek” warrants enabling federal authorities to search a person’s home, office, or personal property without that person’s knowledge!
* Required libraries and bookstores to turn over records of books read by their patrons!

The Patriot Act is more about monitoring and controlling law abiding citizens, like you and me, than it is about detecting and apprehending terrorists!

I have fought this fight for many years! I sponsored a bill to overturn the Patriot Act and have won some victories, but today the threat to your liberty and privacy is very real! We need leadership at the top that will prevent Washington from centralizing power and private data about our lives!

We must stop special interests from violating property rights and literally driving families from their homes, farms and ranches!

Today, we face a new threat of widespread eminent domain actions as a result of powerful interests who want to build the NAFTA superhighway through the United States from Mexico to Canada!

We also face another danger in regulatory takings: Through excess regulation, governments deprive property owners of significant value and use of their properties--all without paying “just compensation!”

Property rights are the foundation of all rights in a free society! Without the right to own a printing press, for example, freedom of the press becomes meaningless! The next president must get federal agencies out of these schemes to deny property owners their constitutional rights to life, liberty, and property!

The American people are being treated like a herd of cattle! The scary part is that many of us are getting used to the abuse, and don’t seem to mind! Trust me, this is only the beginning!

Number 11: Apply Freedom and Responsibility to Health Promotion and Health Care!

Americans are justifiably concerned over the government’s escalating intervention into their freedom to choose what they eat and how they take care of their health!

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA), in order to comply with standards dictated by supra-national organizations such as the UN’s World Food Code (CODEX), NAFTA, and CAFTA, has been assuming greater control over nutrients, vitamins and natural health care providers to restrict your right to choose the manner in which you manage your health and nutritional needs!

I have been the national leader in preserving Health Freedom!

I have introduced the Health Freedom Protection Act, HR 2117, to ensure Americans can receive truthful health information about supplements and natural remedies! Just the facts Uncle Sam!

I support the Access to Medical Treatment Act, H.R. 2717, which expands the ability of Americans to use alternative medicine and new treatments! Not just drugs and surgery!

I oppose legislation that increases the FDA’s legal powers! The FDA has consistently failed to protect the public from dangerous drugs, genetically modified foods, dangerous pesticides and other chemicals in the food supply! Meanwhile they waste public funds attacking safe, healthy foods and dietary supplements! Whose side are they on? Do I have to tell you?!

I also opposed the Homeland Security Bill, H.R. 5005, which, in section 304, authorizes the forced vaccination of American citizens against small pox! The government should never have the power to require immunizations or vaccinations! Again, the herd of cattle analogy seems to apply!

The federal government decided long ago that it knew how to manage your health care better than you, and replaced personal freedom and responsibility with a system that puts corporate interests first! Our free market health care system that was once the envy of the world became a federally-managed disaster! Beware of the Federal Medical Industrial Complex! Do you feel safe or lucky?

Few people realize that Congress forced Health Maintenance Organizations (HMOs) on us! HMOs rose to prominence through federal legislation, incentives, and coercion!

Now, the Food and Drug Administration’s bias toward large pharmaceutical companies enlarges their power, limits treatment options, and drives consumers to seek Canadian medicines! Regulations from D.C. make it virtually impossible for small business owners to cover their employees! The unemployed often cannot afford insurance, meaning those who need basic medical attention overcrowd emergency rooms and drive up premiums!

The federal government will not suddenly become efficient managers if universal health care is instituted! Government health care only means long waiting periods, lack of choice, poor quality, and frustration! Many Canadians, fed up with socialized medicine, come to the U.S. in order to obtain care! Socialized medicine will not magically work here in the United States!

Health care should not be left up to HMOs, big drug companies, and government bureaucrats!

It is time to take back our health care! This is why I support:

*Emphasizing an ounce of prevention, rather than a pound of cure!
* Making all medical expenses tax deductible!
* Eliminating federal regulations that discourage small businesses from providing coverage!
* Giving doctors the freedom to collectively negotiate with insurance companies and drive down the cost of medical care!
* Making every American eligible for a Health Savings Account (HSA), and removing the requirement that individuals must obtain a high-deductible insurance policy before opening an HSA!
* Reform licensure requirements so that pharmacists and nurses can perform some basic functions to increase access to care and lower costs!

By removing federal regulations, encouraging competition, and presenting real choices, we can make our health care system the envy of the world once again!

Number 12: Apply Freedom and Responsibility to the Environment!

The federal government has proven itself untrustworthy and irresponsible with environmental policy by facilitating polluters, subsidizing logging in the National Forests, and instituting one-size-fits-all approaches that too often discriminate against those they are intended to help!

The key to sound environmental policy is respect for private property rights! The strict enforcement of property rights corrects environmental wrongs while increasing the cost of polluting!

In a free market, no one is allowed to pollute his neighbor’s land, air, or water! If your property is being damaged, you have every right to sue the polluter, and government should protect that right! After paying damages, the polluter’s production and sale costs rise, making it unprofitable to continue doing business the same way! Currently, preemptive regulations and pay-to-pollute schemes favor those wealthy enough to perform the regulatory tap dance, while those who own the polluted land rarely receive a quick or just resolution to their problems!

In Congress, I have followed a constitutional approach to environmental action:

* I consistently vote against using tax dollars to subsidize logging in National Forests!
* I am a co-sponsor of legislation designed to encourage the development of alternative and sustainable energy. H.R. 550 extends the investment tax credit to solar energy property and qualified fuel cell property, and H.R. 1772 provides tax credits for the installation of wind energy property!
* Taxpayers for Common Sense named me a “Treasury Guardian” for my work against environmentally-harmful government spending and corporate welfare!
* I am a member of the Congressional Green Scissors Coalition, a bipartisan caucus devoted to ending taxpayer subsidies of projects that harm the environment for the benefit of special interests!

Individuals, businesses, localities, and states must be free to negotiate environmental standards! Those who depend on the land for their health and livelihood have the greatest incentive to be responsible stewards!

In Conclusion:

The Democrats and Republicans have become two sides of the same corrupt coin! In recent years, the coin of the realm has become blood money!

Democrats: your party’s presidential candidates are not Democrats in the tradition of Franklin Delano Roosevelt or John Fitzgerald Kennedy! The New Deal has become the Raw Deal!

Republicans: your party’s presidential candidates are not Republicans in the tradition of Lincoln and Reagan! Conservatism has become Globalism!

We need to regain a sense of rugged individualism! In the words of John Fitzgerald Kennedy, “Ask not what your country can do for you! Ask what you can do for your country!” They say that the bottom line is the bottom line! People often sell their souls for the bottom line! Some would say that this is why our society is riddled with corruption! This may be true! But I submit that the bottom line needs to include freedom and responsibility! And that we will find, as a society, that if and when we do this, that the numerical portion of the bottom line will exceed our wildest dreams!

Democrats and Republicans: Embrace Freedom and Responsibility! Repulse Tyranny and Irresponsibility! Rise above petty party differences and squabbles! Step up to the plate, and do the right thing! This thing is bigger than all of us put together! We stand at a crossroads as a nation and as a world! Will we choose to live in a world at war, governed by Tyranny and Irresponsibility?! Or, will we choose to live in a peaceful world, governed by Freedom and Responsibility?! I have confidence that we will make the right choice! Join the Revolution!

Thank-you fellow Americans for your prayers and your support! God bless you! And God bless the United States of America!

orthodoxymoron wrote:I think your truth mixed with bs theory might be correct JT. Who does Alex Jones work for??!! Who do you work for JT??!! Just kidding!! I don't trust anyone!! I don't trust myself!! I will continue to consider most of what we discuss as being science-fiction. I will keep what I'm doing as a tempest in a very small teapot. The material is too speculative -- too volatile -- and too difficult to prove. I simply think that we should consider all of the possibilities regarding the most important subjects imaginable.

Aquaries1111 wrote:
Project Redlight and Project Redlight II were the very first videos produced about Area 51, also known as Dreamland. Contains more information than any other production. A historic classic video unlike anything else you have ever seen. An Area 51 junky "must view".

"Come-On Brain!! SMILE!!!! I Did Good -- Didn't I??!!"

Aquaries1111 wrote:The following quotes were posted by Viking on AV1. I don't know the sources - but I wish I did.

"Man has been trained to believe that which he is told - whether it is truth or a lie, to the point now that man is simply a victim of the lies. May light come forth that you may recover your pathway to truth"

"Only at the close of the present major cycle the whole world will join together in the sweetest hymn ever sung upon Earth: a divine anthem of international co-operation, global goodwill and united spiritual purpose"

If we ignore the esoteric and solar system governance - then we are irresponsible - aren't we? On the other hand - if we go crazy dealing with all of this - that's being irresponsible too - isn't it? I'd just like to forget the whole thing - but I am very afraid that the general public is being screwed - but I'm not sure by whom - and why. So - what is the proper balance-point in all of this? I'm not particularly rebellious or ambitious. I'm just curious and scared. I'd just like to have a single day of peace.

I like this what you posted Oxy.. Our "attention" is the key.. Where does our attention lay? I am learning so much.. I am learning to be open minded but not to the point where I do not have any of my own foundational truths.. We are innately attuned to know what is right and wrong for us.. Perhaps we define too much? Maybe it's time to create a new language or remember an ancient one.. The Language of Light perhaps? Hmmm.. who was it that said "If you go to a foreign country and do not know the language then how can you expect to understand the exchange"?

Okay back to work...

"orthodoxymoron, your arguments are rather thin..."

Aquaries1111 wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Aquaries1111. I tend to think that a new political and theological language or paradigm might emerge from a study of this particular thread. My goal is to study the territory I've covered -- over and over -- and then state what I've learned in a very simple and refined manner -- which might sound deceptively simplistic -- yet which might be quite profound. On the other hand, all of this might just be my collection of 'hang-ups' and 'mind-games'. This tempest in a teapot might never move beyond Political and Theological Science-Fiction (in it's most primitive form). Time will tell. Right now, I feel as if I have ventured carelessly into 'enemy-territory' and gotten my 'butt kicked'. I've turned into quite the 'heretic' (by most standards). I keep feeling as if I need to privately think all of this through in a careful and prayerful manner. I sometimes wish I were turning all of this madness into a doctoral dissertation in a university setting -- complete with an intimidating professor to provide the proper level of discipline. Or, perhaps an Underground-Base or the Dark Side of the Moon might be more appropriate settings. Unfortunately, I suspect that one eventually reaches the point of no return -- past which they might never be able to return to normality or life as we know it presently. I suspect that I've already become a 'problem' to certain individuals, organizations, or factions. I continue to issue warnings to those who seriously and deeply research 'what's REALLY going-on in this solar system'. I think this is quite the can of worms. Once again, my goal is to learn as much as possible, while causing as little trouble as possible. I would like to assist serious researchers -- rather than 'waking-up' the general-public. The 'right' Hollywood factions might have to do the 'waking-up' in a very carefully thought-out and implemented manner. Here is some more Sherry Shriner! http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sherrytalkradio/2012/06/28/aliens-in-the-news Again, my purpose in posting these links is to help people negotiate upsetting information -- without getting upset. I have no idea how much of this stuff is true -- but it forces me to think way outside of the box. Imagine facing these two professors with talk of a hypothetical 'Orion-Sirius-Aldebaran-Atlantean-Babylonian-Egyptian-Grecian-Roman-British-American Empire'!!!

"orthodoxymoron, your arguments are rather thin..."

I'm in quite a multi-dimensional maze with this thread.. I can't experience it in a linear fashion at all no matter how hard I try.. Like a crack in the window the light shines through at certain moments and so here I am with the light cracking through and I have absolutely no idea what to say.. I'm currently tranced out with over 3 minutes now of this Sherry music... It's really rather nice.. I enjoy it.. I almost imagine myself in some type of sci-fi movie where I'm zooming in and out of wormholes not sure of the destination... Oh wait, Sherry is speaking.. I need to start from the beginning and play that music again..Ahhh that's better.. she was going off on Obama Care...I don't think I can absorb myself anymore in that thought process.. maybe I'm in denial.. Yes.. I'd rather not know, but I do know... the question is.. how much energy do I want to feed it looking at it to solve problems? I'd prefer to see the sunset which is where I am headed after this post.. The lighting is so very beautiful here at 6.45pm.. The tones are superb and I am wondering if Life is getting brighter or if it is I... Okay.. I came across a few pictures... and have no reference to them whatsover except to share.. so.. share I will.. I'll be back to page 2 soon or maybe page 6.. I just let the fingers do the walking...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF4msSLzppA&feature=player_embedded

Aquaries1111 wrote:Forward

This manuscript was delivered to our offices by an unknown person. We did not steal the document, nor are we involved with any theft from the United States Government, and we did not get the document by way of any dishonest methods. We feel that we are not endangering the "National Security" by reproducing this document, quite the contrary; it has been authenticated and we feel that we are not only within our rights to publish it, but morally bound to do so.

Regarding the training manual, you may have detected that we had to block out the marginal notes made by the selectee at the C.I.A. Training Center, but I can assure you that the manual is authentic, and was printed for the purpose of introducing the selectee to the conspiracy. It has been authenticated by four different technical writers for Military Intelligence, one just recently retired who wants very much to have this manual distributed throughout the world, and one who is still employed as an Electronics Engineer by the Federal Government, and has access to the entire series of Training Manuals. One was stationed in Hawaii, and held the highest security clearance in the Naval Intelligence, and another who is now teaching at a university, and has been working with the Central Intelligence Agency for a number of years, and wants out before the axe falls on the conspirators.

We believed that the entire world should know about this plan, so we distributed internationally one-hundred of these manuscripts, to ask individuals at top level positions their opinions. The consensus opinion was to distribute this to as many people as who wanted it, to the end that they would not only understand that "War" had been declared against them, but would be able to properly identify the true enemy to Humanity.

Delamer Duverus

http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/sw4qw/

We Are You wrote:From AAM via Steve Beckow…”The “Containment” Started Last Monday, June 25, 2012″
Posted on 2012/07/02 by kauilapele
Okay, I’ve got that I’ve GOT to post this, now. I’m just emoticon-ing with <33333 vibrations after seeing this. And especially I get that we might not refer to all this "events" business as "mass arrests", but rather, "Mass containments and removals".

So here it is, from Steve. Quick, no links, just… well, here it is.

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AAM Confirms: The “Containment” Started Last Monday, June 25, 2012

OK, we’ve finished the pre-record of An Hour with an Angel and it’s historic.

What I’m going to try to do here is to give you as much detail as I can remember; then I will go back into the recording and draw out some additional details. I’m speaking from memory and it won’t be as satisfactory as quoting AAM so I ask you not to take my own recall as a true and accurate version of what he said, but as breaking news.

Geoff West will offer a special edition of Cosmic Vision News after An Hour with an Angel and give a wrap-up of this incredible day’s news. Both shows can be heard here, starting 5:00 p.m. Pacific time today:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/inlight_radio

First of all the events which we’ve referred to as the “mass arrests” are underway and started last Monday, June 25, 2012.

Archangel Michael (1) prefers not to refer to them as “mass arrests,” because that wording is not of love, but as “containments” and “removals” so we’ll change our vocabulary starting now.

The containments take several forms. The leading Illuminati are actually being placed in energetic containers that prevent them from doing any harmful actions. They can do benevolent actions, but not anything else. Eventually they’ll be removed, either to a place of trial or else to another placement.

The containments take in negative heads of state, financial leaders, and military brass. No, as we’ve been saying for as long as I can remember, President Obama is not a negative leader but an esteemed lightworker and will at some point be announcing moves towards world peace.

People who continue to buy into the characterizations of President Obama as a darkworker should stop. They are mistaken. Indeed the President will be an integral part of all that is to come, right up to leading his nation into the Golden Age.

Yes, what Cobra calls “Stardust” could be used. AAM called it “Jophi” dust (after Archangel Jophiel) and Tralana dust (after a planet that I’m not familiar with). But there is no need to use it because the energy containers suffice. The dark figures will not be permitted to exit these containers until they have completely reformed their characters.

He suggested that we watch people we regard as top Illuminati figures if we want to see what they look like under restraint.

Eventually “containment” will lead to “removals.”

The new financial changes, he said, are already underway.

He cautioned us to be simply passive but alert observers, and not to take any kind of retributive action.

He said that the Colorado wildfires and the eastern storms were designed to clear negative energy. They were not cabal-induced although they do result from our creation of negativity and are designed to remove it. One Colorado wildfire was started accidentally by a human, as will be discovered eventually.

In regards to rumors, there will be no pole shift or three days of darkness, no matter who is saying so to the contrary. There may be a minor amount of flooding, but there will not be any significant seismic activity followed by coastal flooding. There will be no need to remove significant sections of Earth’s population to Inner Earth or the ships. He was very emphatic about these statements, repeating one of them three times.

He said that there are no Archons around the Earth and any clones of theirs that existed were neutralized many years ago. Micah’s message is simply not credible.

He said that there have not been negative aliens around the Earth for ten years.

He congratulated us on our restraint and perseverence. He predicted new technology being given to us at an early date. The financial changes being underway will see an equitable distribution of resources and money. He didn’t give a date for when the system would become publicly visible. Neither Linda nor I want to traffic in dates and he recognized Linda’s resistance to him stating a date. But it’s coming.
Footnotes

(1) To those who believe that I’m not speaking with Archangel Michael, I got it. But just understand that I believe I am. To those who think that talk of “energetic containers” and such is fantasy, I can’t help you. Time will demonstrate whether they’re real or not. But perhaps suspend disbelief for the moment or you won’t be able to participate in this most significant of unfoldments as far as these discussions represent “participation.”

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Aquaries1111 wrote:Hi Oxy,

A lot of your links have been removed from You Tube... This goes to show you are definitely "on to something".. Whether you call it "your imagination", "Hypothetical", "Potential", "Sci-Fi"... It surely is hard to define truth but one thing is certain... You are the Author of the Final Chapter of your book.. So if you have other links you can provide in reference to the ones removed below.. I would appreciate it.. else I'll just watch some of the one minute clips.. I haven't seen any of the Stargate Continuum episodes or the Movie if that is what it is.. Seeing all this with fresh eyes.



I've been reading 'The Gods of Eden' by William Bramley. Please, please read this book! It's amazing! Alex Collier was right to recommend it! My question is, 'am I a friend or a foe of the Gods of Eden?' Perhaps I am both friend and foe - their worst enemy and their best buddy. I really think that Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom is the wave of the future - even for the Gods of Eden - and even for Lucifer. BTW - I will continue to assume that Lucifer or the Queen of Heaven, or Amen Ra, or Hathor, or Whoever - continues to run this solar system in a manner which is not in the best interest of the human race. I truly wish for things to work out well for ALL CONCERNED. If I owned a herd of cattle - why would I want them to be fighting with each other and exterminating themselves? Even if we are essentially cattle, why wouldn't our owners be better-off instituting a proper solar system government - with highly competent self-rule? Even if our masters are 1,000 times as intelligent as us - shouldn't we have a cordial and proper relationship with them? I don't really know where we are in the universal food-chain - but a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System would work well - whether we are at the bottom, middle, or top of the galactic pecking order. CAN COOLER HEADS PLEASE PREVAIL??!! I keep watching the following sequence from 'Stargate Continuum'. Watch this repeatedly - then face yourself - and think, and think, and think. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZEPUfmfIsE 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyKy8_sF4xY
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8YK_ad7Us0&feature=related

Mormons quit church in mass resignation ceremony | Reutersby Laura Tyco

Thanks to David C. - Laura




By Jennifer Dobner

SALT LAKE CITY | Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:45pm EDT

(Reuters) - A group of about 150 Mormons quit their church in a mass resignation ceremony in Salt Lake City on Saturday in a rare display of defiance ending decades of disagreement for some over issues ranging from polygamy to gay marriage.

Participants from Utah, Arizona, Idaho and elsewhere gathered in a public park to sign a "Declaration of Independence from Mormonism."

"This feels awesome," said Alison Lucas, from West Jordan, Utah, who took part in the rally amid soaring temperatures. "I don't know if I would have had the courage except in a group."

The Utah-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is known for its culture of obedience, and the mass ceremony was a seldom-seen act of collective revolt.

After gathering in the park, participants hiked a half-mile up nearby Ensign Peak, scaled in 1847 by church President Brigham Young to survey the spot where his Latter-day Saints would build a city.

At the top, those gathered gave three loud shouts of "Freedom," cheered, clapped and hugged.

"It's been a hard journey and this is a symbolic end," said event organizer Zilpha Larsen, of Lehi, Utah. "I just hope that it boosts people up and helps them feel more comfortable in their decision."

The church bills itself as the one "true" Christian faith, and its theology promises families eternal relationships among those who remain faithful, sealing those gifts through special religious rites.

Among the reasons cited by those resigning are the church's political activism against gay marriage and doctrinal teachings that conflict with scientific findings or are perceived as racist or sexist.

Others cite inconsistencies in the Mormons' explanation of its own history, including the practice of polygamy. The church renounced plural marriage over a century ago as Utah was seeking statehood.

Asked about the resignations, a church spokesman said the church loves and respects each member.

"People make their own decisions about the direction they will follow in life," spokesman Michael Purdy said in an email. "While there are very few who take this action, it is sad to see someone choose to leave. We wish them well."

The most recent figures show the Mormon church claims 14.4 million members worldwide. The number of those resigning from the church are not publicly reported.

Among prominent Mormons is Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee facing off against President Barack Obama in November. Should he win office, Romney would be the first Mormon elected to the White House.

'WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL'

Some leaving the church Saturday did so with trepidation, as Mormon culture often stigmatizes those who fall away, leaving some without social or business connections.

"It's hard, so we have to be very careful," said Robin Hansen, a participant who said she quit over a "culture of abuse" which she believes is cultivated by church teachings promoting obedience.

Hansen said her husband had not joined her in leaving the faith because he works in a church-related business and could lose his job if he doesn't maintain his membership.

To resign from the church, Mormons must submit a formal letter asking their names be removed from church rolls, a church instructional handbook for lay leaders published on the Internet in 2010 shows.

On Saturday, participants filled a basket with their letters for mailing by Larsen, who split with the church over doubts about the veracity of a translation of ancient Egyptian writings which are included in sacred Mormon texts.

A sixth-generation Mormon, Kris Fielding, 35, traveled from Phoenix for the resignation event in part to represent those who do not yet have the courage to do so, he said, including his wife, who worries about reaction from their families.

Married in a Mormon temple, Fielding said the couples shared disaffection from their faith is tied in part to their local church leader's response to questions Fielding had about polyandry and polygamy - taking multiple husbands and wives - in the early church.

"I went to him looking for a faithful perspective. He called my wife and told her she needed to find a new husband," Fielding said.

He said he felt relief after his decision.

"The monkey's off the back ... I don't feel like I have to explain myself or the positions of the church anymore."

(Editing by Tim Gaynor and Doina Chiacu)

Mormons quit church in mass resignation ceremony | Reuters.

Laura Tyco | July 1, 2012 at 22:31 | Categories: General News | URL: http://wp.me/p1szSk-96Z

Aquaries1111 wrote:Thanks Oxy for the link.

Don't give up... Thought creates energy and if that is all we do then nothing wrong with that.. So far I have discerned that your intentions are right on track with many of us.. You go to extreme depth in your thought processes which allow the rest of us to ask similar questions.. what answers we may retrieve is anybody's guess.. I can tell you this.. I woke up this morning knowing I had a dream and I could not for the life of me remember it.. I set my intention to remember it somewhere through the day and as I was tranced looking at the picture I linked earlier (the one you coined as Mary 1) the dream came back to me in full fluidity.. Mind you, it wasn't pretty... but nevertheless our Mind works in "mysterious ways".. Keep up the Great Work...

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Micjer wrote:Thanks Mudra. Interesting interviews. Lucky these two girls saw the light and got out. Notice how both girls said they were driven to the point of considering suicide.

There are many cults and they all work the same way. Use of fear and punishment.

Does this make most governments and religions 'cults'?? There probably has to be a reasonable system of rewards and punishments in any family, organization, or civilization -- but the extreme, dishonest, and unreasonable systems trouble me greatly. Law and Order are essential -- but I much prefer Self-Discipline over State-Discipline. The More Responsible -- the More Freedom. The Less Responsible -- the Less Freedom. This is really pretty simple.

Aquaries1111 wrote:Thanks Oxy,

I'm really enjoying your material.. Indeed..

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6yX54pfXR0 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgDnvde4cd8&feature=related