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THEeXchanger wrote:To my friend Brook who passed away this morning (Oct. 25).
You are forever young now and free flying in the stars.
Thank you for all the wisdom and magic you shared with me and the world
I won't forget you and will celebrate the uniqueness that is you.
RIP with your beloved son beautiful lady.
Julienne Alvarez

mudra wrote:LionHawk posted this on Brook's page today.

Morning Folks. I'd like to take a moment and thank everyone for all of your beautiful hearts. I would also like to thank some folks who were right there on the front line while Brook fought this battle. Cathy, Ed, Amber, Bobby, Mel, Charlene, and anyone I missed. There are also hundreds if not thousands of folks whose prayers and heart felt thoughts made a positive difference. As well as family members. It is my wish to a have a memorial service for Brook, but it will have to be done in some different way that will honor her and all of you, so I need time to think about this and I am not going to rush this. It wouldn't be right to do so.

Another thing you all deserve to know, was Brook's greatest fear. That fear was dying alone. What I am about to share will also reflect some of the comments made on her facebook page here. I will keep it short as possible.

After we got her transferred to Hospice and got her comfortable, she slept for a few hours. Around 9 PM the caregivers gave her a bath. Brook asked them if I was there and they told her I was outside waiting to come in her room. When they were done, I went in and sat beside her on her bed. She was sleeping. When she woke up and realized I was there with her, she said, "I love you." Shortly after she fell back asleep. I stayed with her the whole night. Around 6 in the morning I told her I had to go home and get a shower and shave. She was so happy that I had shaved my year long beard off two days earlier. I came back around 9:30. Visiting had already started. As the morning progressed, her breathing became more laborious and continued into the early afternoon. My dear Amber was there and she told the nurse or nurses that Brook might have some pain issues going on. That was addressed and then Amber told me she was going to say goodbye to Brook, after which she left. At that point I went to the nurse's station and spoke with two nurses as to how Brook was doing. I then ask what we were looking in terms of time and they said probably tonight sometime. I told them that it felt a lot closer than that, because I could feel it and then thanked them and went into Brook's room. It was then that I pulled up a big chair along side her bed. I grabbed her hand and said,"Baby, it's okay. It's okay Baby." "Think of John. Think of John Sr. and John Jr." Then her breathing started to slow. Slower til finally it stopped. That was at 2:15 PM. For the next little amount of time, I hugged her and kissed her for about 5 minutes in total meltdown mode. A nurse showed up because of the noises I was making and then checked Brook for a heartbeat. She then informed me that I had several hours to be with her before they would take her to the funeral home. Some time went by and Braydon showed up. After a time, him and I went outside and had a long talk. About halfway through the talk, I sensed Brook floating in the air, looking down at us, smiling. She was smiling at us because we were discussing where do we go from here and that a healing between Braydon and I was taking place.

Last night she came to me, trying to comfort my pain...........and that is all I can can say for now........

Love from me
mudra

THEeXchanger wrote:On behalf of all of us ~ The Elders of Thuban
it is with great sorrow
That we posted that our friend Brook
choose to transition this morning...
she truly was a 'miracle' sitting on a 'miracle' !!!
Brook choose to fly free,
back amongst The Stars...
what an impace she made on the lives of many...
always stuffed full of magic,
always stuffed full of wisdom,
and, she made a great impact on the lives of many souls !!!

Our sincere condolenses to Lionhawk~Andy
her beloved mate, and, to her family, extended family and friends
She truly was a 'bright shining star' that will be missed

Forever, we will be grateful
for being granted the priviledge to eXchange
and, to share with such an awesome soul !!!

Brook Journey well,
you leave me, with the sense of knowing,
there will be other times our lives will dove-tail together !!!

May everyone journey well, until we are re-united again :)

Thank you for all the beautiful sharings
~ we shall miss you, but, always remember you

Heaven, or the other worlds have NOW gained an eXtra-ordinary soul

Love,
Susan Lynne Schwenger - The eXchanger
and, All The Elders of Thuban

orthodoxymoron wrote:Project Avalon contains a tear-jerking and heart-wrenching journal of Brook's struggle, and the efforts of forum-members to help. The motorcycle-accident death of her son, John, was a devastating-blow several-years ago, and the agonizing fight with cancer was the final-blow. These two deaths will haunt me for the rest of my life, mostly because they occurred in the middle of what seems to be a nasty spiritual and information war. During this same period, three individuals died, who I distantly knew in real-life, and their deaths will haunt me for the rest of my life, mostly because they occurred in the middle of what seems to be a nasty spiritual and information war. I suspect that things will get much worse in the coming years, and I certainly don't have an adequate explanation and/or solution, but I certainly hope there's a light at the end of the tunnel of This Present Darkness. Hope Springs Eternal. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101221-Cancer-killing-Killing-Cancer-My-Heart-Path The following message was posted by 'snoman' on Project Avalon http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101221-Cancer-killing-Killing-Cancer-My-Heart-Path/page12

I knew Brooke over many platforms over many years. She was ahead of the curve on chipping away at something she felt deeply mesmerized by.. the interweave of quantum realities and the mechanics of Egyptian technology.. something that when you read her work (hours and pages of output) little ever comes nearer to the experience of peeping behind the veil. I don't have access to her lengthy work on this.. I recall there was an exhaustive thread called 'Theatre...' something. Does anyone have this archived? A fitting memorial and repository of her work in a section dedicated to her research would be what I would hope for so that someone with the tenacity to fully understand her work could have access to it, and the rest of us could revisit it and Star/Brooke/Shadowself's work will always be there. It really needs to be. So long bright one X

Is it too soon to wonder about the possibility of some sort of a centralized-archive of Brook's work?? Or even a 'Brook Book'?? I still have a difficult time studying Egyptology, but often Brook seemed to have actually 'Been There' in Ancient-Egypt. I noticed that on the above PA thread, the last post prior to Brook's death was September 29. The next post was on October 25, the day of her death. The last post on the above thread was October 29. I don't know why I'm mentioning this. I guess I'm wondering about what transpired between September 29 and October 25. Things seemed to be significantly improving in the last week of October, then nothing, with a sudden-end, and no extended discussion over the past week. The contributions to both donation-sites seemed much too low, especially in view of all the 'friends' on several forums, and probably in real-life. When Brook left The Mists of Avalon, I didn't follow her work on other forums, and I often wondered why she was no longer posting on the Mists. PA and MOA have been a puzzle to me. So much information and intelligence, yet such distant and detached communication. I'm Siriusly questioning the Information-War as computers and robots replace people and face to face conversation. Lionhawk / Andy mentioned the possibility of a Memorial-Service. Has there been any word about this?? I leave you with Bill Ryan's response on PA:

Dear All, I was out all yesterday but just heard the sad news this morning. That was a blow. She had set such a strong example in her courage and openness. She was transparent with us all to the end. Brook was a warrior in everything she did and stood for, but lost her last battle. She’s assisted us in research behind the scenes — some of which she posted publicly on the Corey Goode and Emery Smith threads — and was steadfast in her personal determination to expose scams, fraudsters, and charlatans: even when she was sick and fighting personally. Kudos to her: if her efforts could be matched by more, the community would be richer and healthier for it. She’ll be back. We welcome her return, and we need more like her. My respect and appreciation to everyone who's honored her here. Daniel Liszt, the Dark Journalist, honored Brook in his livestream with Walter Bosley last night. (Listen at 1:54:40)

"We have so many great people to thank on that, but I really want to shout out to this too, which is… unfortunately, I have some sad news, which is the passing of Brook Schiner today, who was an incredible Project Avalon researcher. She did incredible things for me, especially last year when I was looking into this, and she knew so much and so many different things about cults. It was quite helpful. She had cancer for a while, and she was a strong fighter till the end. And all of our blessings are there for Brook, and all the Project Avalon people, so much, for the things that you've done."

orthodoxymoron wrote:This is devastating news, but perhaps the end of suffering is welcome as the soul transitions. I knew Brook without knowing Brook. I know individuals online without really knowing them. Perhaps faceless interaction isn't a good thing. I don't know. Perhaps it is depersonalizing and desensitizing. Perhaps Brook is monitoring our responses, and making plans for subsequent incarnations (here or elsewhere). The pain and suffering in life seems so counterproductive and unnecessary. Is there a better way to develop our souls and characters?? Is Pain the Cost of Doing Business in the Universe?? Namaste, Godspeed, and Geronimo, Brook.

"Hocus Pocus!! Donald Focus!!
The Spirits Are About to Speak!!"

Carol wrote:

As it Becomes Clear that Trump Cannot Save the West,
Only One Outcome is Inevitable
http://dailywesterner.com/news/2017-06-15/as-it-becomes-clear-that-trump-cannot-save-the-west-only-one-outcome-is-inevitable/

Donald Trump symbolizes the West’s outrage with a totally corrupt political structure that is rotting out society from within. There is little doubt among both the right and the left that public opinion matters very little when it comes to decision making in the halls of power. What does matter is who bankrolls the legislative prostitutes that call themselves “representatives” when bills are crafted and passed in the slimy Beltway and other crumbling capitals of the West.

It’s always interesting and important to put what is happening on the small scale of history we are living day to day into a larger historical scheme. There’s an important work that does just that. Oswald Spengler’s Decline Of The West made some stunningly accurate predictions for the world of today when it was published a century ago.

It’s important to revisit this work in greater detail as it is more relevant now than ever with what’s happening in American politics.

The Predictions

Democracy ultimately fails because economic powers corrupt it and gridlock forms as both sides become polarized

As evidence we are playing out the string of events predicted by Spengler, all of the following predictions for the ongoing decline of Europe and its spin-off civilization of Anglo America (the U.S. and Canada—and lets not forget Australia) have come true. Here are the events we are living through as predicted a century ago in his civilization model:

° Domination of Money. Economic powers permeating the political forms and authorities. This is plain to see as economic powers now rule both sides of the pond and down under rather than “representatives” who are supposed to represent the Will of the People and not economic interests.

° Transition from constitutional order to informal sway of individuals. This is also plain to see, as the Constitution of the U.S. is being scrapped by the Patriot Act, NDAA, TSA, and all sorts of insidious legislation designed to gut the Bill of Rights. Personality is beginning to matter more than principle as we are seeing with the recent elections of Obama and Trump.

° Imperialism. America now has military bases in 130 out of 196 nations on the planet and its foreign and military policy usually involves imposing the ideals of American business interests abroad.

The above bullet points are where we find ourselves today. The below is what is predicted to come this century.

° Formation of Caesarism. Victory of force-politics over money. Increasing primitiveness of political forms. Inward decline of the nations into a formless population, and constitution thereof as an Imperium of gradually-increasing crudity of despotism. Once again, we can already see this happening in the West. Political forms are becoming more primitive and tribal in nature. Western nations are becoming demographic polyglot boarding houses. The government is becoming increasingly autocratic and unresponsive to the needs and wishes of its people. All that’s left is the victory of force-politics over money.

Spengler thought blood was the only force that could overcome the power of money, and indeed, as one politician after another make lofty promises that go unfulfilled once they assume the reigns of power, more and more people are beginning to realize voting is doing nothing to change their lot in life. As someone recently put it:

The people who actually have the power to change things simply won’t. Why? Because the system worked for them.

The formation of Caesarism never has it been so plain that’s where the West is headed than with the election of Donald Trump and what he represents in the minds of his supporters.

Trump is Only the Beginning

Trump reflects only the beginning of the desire of the
people to have a strong, resolute leader

While Trump reflects the desire of the Silent Majority to finally have their voices heard, it appears they’ll have to wait for a future strongman to actually implement their demands. Unfortunately, it seems Trump won’t be the savior many had hoped for as he has proven he is least partly compromised by lauding the passing of Obamacare Lite by a RINO Congress, and by creating a sideshow about taking America out of the global warming scam when the very next day his Vice President said the deal would merely be renegotiated and is not dead on arrival.

In effect, the global warming flap amounts to much ado about nothing once again, the typical Washington playbook. This playbook says to bait the public with a false narrative and let the two sides of the political aisle fight it out until they’re exhausted. The false narrative – which both sides bought hook, line and sinker – is that global taxation via global warming was stopped by Trump. This narrative is the shadow in Plato’s cave. However, looking beyond the shadow, the truth is renegotiation changes little more than details of which globalists get your tax money and how much they get to fight an element on the periodic table that all life cannot live without – carbon.

Even Trump once famously said the global warming narrative is a hoax designed to rob the taxpayer. Why would he renegotiate a deal based on a hoax?

Chalk this one up as yet another issue Trump has pivoted away from his base on, including his astonishing remarks that he was a nationalist and a globalist a month ago. The two ideals are incompatible. Obama Xxxxxx the left with broken promises and soaring rhetoric. Will Trump fuc k the right?

Look beyond the shadows in Plato’s Cave
to see the truth

Putting political game playing aside, the important point is what Trump represents in the minds of his followers. People want a resolute leader, and are sick of squabbling Demicans and Republicrats who exist only to rule them, fool them, and rob them. If Trump doesn’t deliver tangible change, and it appears he will offer little more than window dressing and platitudes, the masses will become increasingly disgusted with and disinterested in political promises in the future.

There are additional issues that will exacerbate the fatigue with politics as usual in the West. As immigrants displace natives from the West, there will be increasing conflict rendering democracy unworkable. This relates to the “formless population” ideal elucidated above. There is little doubt that whites and other immigrant groups have very different ways of life. Once whites become minorities in their native lands, displaced by other ethnic groups, tension will mount. Democracy will become unworkable as the different factions vie for control and political supremacy.

As we’ve seen, Spengler’s predictions tell us when the time comes the people will demand a resolute leader and discard gridlocked, ineffective government in which their demands fall on deaf ears. They will welcome a man of decision, who brings order to the chaos caused by democracy.

The question that remains is once democracy breaks down, will we get a good Caesar or a bad one? If the new strongman is blessed by the elite, the masses can expect unrelenting torment as only a fraction of the elite’s ultimate aims are being felt because the remains of democracy provide a buffer against total abuse of the populace – for the time being.

If the new strongman ascends the throne from below, there’s at least a decent chance he’ll begin to dismantle the control matrix being devised by the corporate-government complex.

Do you think the end of democracy would be a good thing?

Would a good or bad Caesar assume power?

It’s interesting to think about, since Spengler’s predictions thus far have been spot-on for the declining Western world.

Carol wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Epnaf8ELzY
Wheels Coming Off Russia Probe!
Dick Morris TV: Lunch ALERT!

What Was the Perfect Law of the Lord
Prior to the Old and New Covenants?
Were Both Covenants 'RA Deals'?

"Don't Shoot!! I'm Just a Renegade French Jesuit Organist!!"

Swanny wrote:So Red are you excited about the coming rapture? Although judging by your behaviour on here you don't seem like a very good christian type so maybe they won't be taking you

P.S. Don't worry nothing will happen on Saturday

Swanny wrote:He's being a bit quiet so that when he comes back (after nothing happens) he can say it was just a hoax put out by nonbelievers

Swanny wrote:I had a great day today. Sun was shining and I was out on my motorbike. I reckon rapture happened and I went to heaven

RedEzra wrote:The Revelation 12 sign is an astronomical mark in time telling God's watchmen that the world's last ungodly power is fast approaching with great trouble for all the people of the world. What is the point of a sign ? It is to inform or warn about an approaching event right. Naturally a sign comes before an event.

"Above all understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, 'Where is this coming he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.' But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly." - 2 Peter 3:3-7

RedEzra wrote:

burgundia wrote:

RedEzra wrote:The world as we know it is actually collapsing around us guys.

Fukushima mass animal deaths volcanos earthquakes extreme weather wars and rumours of wars. The new world order which the international elite is calling for is in our immediate future. And their ten new commandments are written in stone down in Georgia.

So do not talk bubble gum blabber to me.

Do not tell me that everything is fine and that i am you and you are me and we are God and all is well. That is bubble gum !

What a revelation! I am sure nobody heard about it until now.

That is not the point. The point is there are a lot of bubble gum blabbers who are so removed from reality that they speak as if they spent their entire life in a private bubble.

Or they refuse to acknowledge practical reality and just sit and fantasize about how they want the world to be... withouth providing proof for their philosophising.

Buddhists gurus and new agers all belong in that basket of bubble gum blabber.

RedEzra wrote:You live in a creation.

The earth you thread and the air you breathe and the fruits you eat and the water you drink and the trees you climb and the grass you lay on...

You not only live in a creation... you also are a creation.

Created by somebody greater than you... and that fact can be tough to swallow for an ego.

There is somebody so much greater smarter and more powerful than you... tuff deal with it !

RedEzra wrote:"You brood of vipers ! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come ?"

Those were the words of welcome from John to the people who came to be baptized by him in the river Jordan. Not exactly politically correct by today's standards... nevertheless John was the greatest human being ever born according to Jesus.

"Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has risen no one greater than John the Baptist. Yet even the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." - Matthew 11:11

John was of course not the greatest human being because of his temper tantrums... but because he was chosen to prepare the way for the ministry of God Almighty Himself.

Aquaries1111 wrote:

The question Neo: is

"Who's who in the zoo"?

orthodoxymoron wrote:A couple of weeks ago, I witnessed a HUGE 'S' in the sky (above a thin cloud-cover) in the Pacific Northwest!! It was perfectly-symmetrical and well-defined!! I think it was on a Sunday the Seattle Seahawks lost a football-game. I didn't have my phone with me, so I didn't get a photograph. Was this a HAARP attempt to trigger a Cascadia subduction-zone disaster?? Damned if I know. Regarding 'Who is Who??' we might NEVER know!! I continue to suspect 'Top-Dog' multiple-bodies and multiple-personalities, but I obviously can't prove it!! BTW, have I met you, A-1??

Viewer discretion advised for all of these disturbing videos. I'm not sure what my
point is, but I simply attempt to create some sort of a research-baseline for
Sirius-Researchers who know a hell of a lot more than I do.







"I'm Just a Patsy!!"

I. Introduction

This article summarizes some of the more recent attacks to the Adventist doctrine of the sanctuary by persons who formerly worked for the church. Two specific individuals are mentioned and quoted throughout this document, namely Desmond Ford and Raymond F. Cottrell. Neither of them represents or speaks for the church or on behalf of Adventist theologians and the church does not consider them to be representative of Adventist beliefs. Anthony A. Hoekema, a non-Adventist critic, is also quoted to attack the Adventist position. The main burden of the article addresses the biblical foundation or lack of foundation for the teaching of the investigative judgment. Using arguments from the theologians cited above, the article concludes that the doctrine is not biblical because there is no link between Daniel 8:14 and Leviticus 16 and because the context of Daniel 8:14 does not support the Adventist interpretation. These questions have been studied in depth by Adventist scholars and, based on careful study of the Scriptures, satisfactory answers have been given.

The Biblical Research Institute of the General Conference published seven volumes dealing with the sanctuary and the interpretation of Daniel and Revelation. They contain a collection of biblical studies prepared by a large number of Adventist theologians who firmly believe that our teachings on the sanctuary are biblically based. The volumes carry the general description of “The Daniel and Revelation Committee Series” and can be obtained from our Adventist Book Centers. The article makes reference to a small committee set up by the General Conference in the 1950’s to study Daniel 8:14. Quoting Raymond Cottrell, it says that the committee was not able to support the Adventist interpretation. This is obviously the opinion of Raymond Cottrell, who was a member of the committee and opposed any interpretation other than the one he was promoting. The great majority of the members supported the Adventist position. Because of attempts by some to change the church’s position, the work of the committee was left unfinished. It is saddening that some among us have raised themselves to undermine truth but for us this is a sign of the times. In what follows we will provide some of the biblical materials and reasons why we believe that the argument of this article is an attack against biblical truth. It will become clear that contextually as well as linguistically the Adventist interpretation is on solid biblical ground. We encourage the reader to study this material carefully, with prayer and with an open Bible.

1. Relation Between Daniel 8 and Leviticus

Daniel 8:13-14 is part of a large vision (hazôn) which began in 8:1. The prophet saw a ram with two horns, one higher than the other, charging to the west, north, and south. It was attacked and defeated by a he-goat coming from the west having one horn between the eyes. The he-goat was magnifying itself exceedingly when its horn broke into four which grew to the four winds of the heavens. Another horn appeared from one of the winds. It was a horn coming from small beginnings (“little horn”) which grew exceedingly great to the south, east, and to the glorious land and had control over the host of heaven, i.e. the people of God (vs. 10, 24; cf. Exod 7;4). This geographical, horizontal expansion (vs. 9-10), was followed by a vertical expansion or conquest (vs. 11-12). The horn magnified itself against the Prince of the hosts, took the continual away from him, overthrew the place of the sanctuary, and cast down the truth to the ground. It is in this setting that the prophet hears a holy one asking, “For how long is the vision. . . ?” and the answer was given, “For two thousand and three hundred evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary shall be restored to its rightful state”[nitsdaq], (8:13-14). It is very important for any exegete to observe that language used in the context of the Israelite sanctuary and its services is employed in Daniel 9-14 to describe the work of the little horn and the work of the Prince of hosts. Thus is established a linguistic and theological relationship between this passage and particularly the book of Leviticus.

It is interesting to notice that the symbols used to represent political powers are a ram and a he-goat (vs. 20-21), both of which are clean animals used as sacrificial victims. In chapter 7 the symbols are strange composite creatures. The term “horn” (qeren) reminds us of the horns on the four corners of the altar (cf. Lev 4:7), and “truth” could designate the instruction the priest handed over to the people (’emet, 8:12; cf. Mal 2:6). The term “transgression” (pešac, 8:12) is used in Leviticus 16:16 to designate sins expiated during the Day of Atonement. Several terms for “sanctuary” are used which are obviously terms employed in the context of the Israelite worship: makôn (place) is used to designate God’s earthly (Isa 4:5) and heavenly sanctuaries (1 Kgs 8:39); and the same applies to miqdaš (“sanctuary”; Lev 26:2; Ps 68:33-35), and to qodeš (“sanctuary”; Exod 30:13; Ps 68:5). This last term is used in Leviticus 16: 2 to designate the Most Holy Place of the Israelite sanctuary that was cleansed during the day of atonement. The term “hosts” is used in the context of the tabernacle to refer to the Levitical guard (Num 4:3, 23). The verb “take away,” used by Daniel (8:11) is also used in Leviticus to designate the act of removing from the sacrifices the parts which belonged to God (e.g. Lev 4:10). The heavenly beings mentioned in 8:13 are called “holy ones” (qadôš), a rather strange way of referring to angels but which is used here to establish a connection with sanctuary terminology. The term hatamîd (the continual, the daily) is used in the Old Testament to designate the daily work of the priest in the holy place. It is never used in connection with his work in the Most Holy Place.

The fact that the “Prince of hosts” is a heavenly being (see Joshua 5:13-15) indicates that the sanctuary mentioned in 8:9-14 is the heavenly one, where he performed the tamîd. By using these terms Daniel is explicitly cementing a linguistic and ideological connection with the Israelite sanctuary. He presupposes that his readers are acquainted with the worship system, therefore he can use the vocabulary without explaining it. In order to interpret the vocabulary correctly one is forced to go to Leviticus to find out how that terminology is used there. The use of language employed in the sanctuary services enables us to understand the work of the Prince of hosts, and the nature and work of the little horn. The political concerns of the horn are not ignored (v. 9-10), but the main concern is with its attitude toward the sanctuary and the Prince (vs. 11-12). The horn attacks the sanctuary guard, the host, defeats them (v. 10), and goes after the Prince and the sanctuary. This spiritual attack is described in terms of a military one. The tamîd (the daily service) is taken away from the Prince, and the foundation/place of the sanctuary is cast down to the earth. Having done that the little horn sets up its own host in control of the tamîd as an act of rebellion/transgression (v. 12). The “truth” associated with the sanctuary is disposed of by this anti-God power (cf. Dan 7:25). It is extremely important to notice that the language used by Daniel makes it clear that the little horn does not contaminate the sanctuary. Daniel does not use a single term that could suggest the idea of contamination. What we have here is an attack on the sanctuary which profanes it (halal; cf. 11:31), but does not contaminate it. The sanctuary is treated by the horn-power as a common place. This discussion makes clear that the little horn affects somehow the work of the Prince in the holy place, that is to say the tamîd (his continual mediation). The immediate question is, would the horn be able to interfere in any way with the mediatorial work of the Prince in the Most Holy Place, i.e. the cleansing of the sanctuary? This is the question addressed in 8:13-14.

2. The Meaning of Nitsdaq in Daniel 8:14

The verb nistdaq, a verbal form of the root tsadaqh, has been translated in different ways: “shall be cleansed,” “shall be restored to its rightful state,” “emerge victorious,” “be restored,” “be reconsecrated,” etc. Two particular reasons make it difficult to decide how to translate this verb here. First, the verbal form employed by Daniel is not used anywhere else in the Old Testament (simple passive [niphal] of tsadaq); and, second, the verbal root never takes as its object the sanctuary, except here. The basic verbal root (tsadaq) is usually translated “to be in the right, to have a just case, to be righteous.” Interestingly, the root tsadaq is used in connection with the sanctuary, particularly in the book of Psalms. The individual who went to the temple and who had been loyal to the covenant was considered by the Lord to be righteous (24:3-6: cf. Deut 26:13-15). Those who participated in the sanctuary services were required to be blameless (tamîm) and righteous (tsedeq), 15:1-2. To be blameless means here to be righteous. This righteousness was a gift from God (4:1; 17:1) and was impossible apart from atonement.

The righteous one (tsaddîq) was a person whose sins had been forgiven by the Lord (32:1, 5, 11). This righteousness was granted in the temple through a priestly declaration (24:5). Also righteous is the person who, in the setting of the sanctuary, was judged by God and declared innocent; the individual was vindicated (7:8-9; cf. 35:24-25). Accused of a crime he or she did not commit, the person went to the sanctuary asking God to judge him/her, to vindicate him/her. This use of the root tsadaq indicates that it is basically a legal term. In the Psalms access to the sanctuary required righteousness on the part of the worshiper; in Leviticus cleanness was required (e.g. Lev 13:46; 14:1-20). To declare a person clean was tantamount to declaring him or her righteous. These two ideas, to be clean/to be righteous, are found together in Isaiah 53:11: “By his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant, make many to be accounted righteous [yatsdîq “he declares (them) righteous”]; and he shall bear their iniquities.” The many are declared righteous because the Servant removed their sins from them (cf. v. 12), that is to say, he cleansed them. To be declared righteous is the same as to be cleansed. There is a theological and linguistic connection between to be righteous and to be clean in the context of the sanctuary. In fact the verb tsadaq is used in the Old Testament in synonymous parallelism with the verb taher (be clean, pure), used in Leviticus 16 to designate the cleansing of the sanctuary (Job 4:17; 17:9); and also with the verb zakah (“be pure, clean”; Ps 51:4; Job 15:14; 25:4).

The noun tsedeq (righteousness) is also used in parallelism with bor (“purity”; Ps 18:20). This indicates that the meaning of the root tsadaq includes the idea of cleansing and that this dimension of meaning is expressed particularly in the setting of the sanctuary services. The root tsadaq played a significant role in the Israelite sanctuary services. Those services seem to have revolved around the concept of tsadaq: the worshiper entered the temple through “the gates of righteousness” (Ps 118:19); brought a “sacrifice of righteousness” (Ps 4:5; 51:19); and the priest, “clothed with righteousness” (132:9), interceded on behalf of the offerer before the Lord of righteousness (11:7). Consequently, the person received in the temple “righteousness from . . . God” (24:5). Since the root tsadaq is used in the context of the sanctuary services, it should not surprise anyone to find it in Daniel 8:14, accompanied by a significant number of terms used in that same context. This suggests that nitsdaq should be interpreted in terms of its extended meaning in the sanctuary setting, which would be “to declare righteous” or “be vindicated,” “to be cleansed.” But how can this be said of the sanctuary? This would make sense only within the sanctuary services. The sanctuary cannot be separated from the fact that it is God’s dwelling and that He meets there with His people to celebrate redemption and grant them atonement and forgiveness. The nitsdaq of the sanctuary would then have an impact on the sanctuary itself—by cleansing it—and on God and His people, who would then be vindicated. Only such a rich root as tsadaq could express the ideas of cleansing and vindication, combining legal and redemptive concerns in a sanctuary setting bringing the resolution of the sin problem to its consummation.

The verb taher (to cleanse, purify), with its emphasis on cleansing in the context of the Israelite sanctuary, was too narrow to be used in the cosmic setting of this apocalyptic vision which deals with the final cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary and with the ultimate cosmic vindication of God and His people. The article suggests that the nitsdaq of the sanctuary redresses the damage done to the sanctuary by the little horn. What is overlooked here is that the verbal root tsadaq does not mean “to reconsecrate,” and neither is it used to designate the restoration of a building or of its use. It is rather used with respect to people who are vindicated, whose right is restored to them. What the text is saying is that the little horn’s control over the tamîd (the daily) would come to an end at a particular moment of time, that is to say, when the cleansing/vindication of the sanctuary will be taking place. The logical question is, why would the heavenly sanctuary need to be cleansed? The answer is found in what took place during the day of atonement in the Israelite sanctuary (Lev 16). Notice that Daniel 8 mentions the tamîd (the daily) but we are not told what it is or why it is important. We found the meaning and significance of the term by studying its usage in the Israelite sanctuary. This is what needs to be done with the purification/vindication of the sanctuary mentioned in 8:14. But before we do that let us deal with the time period. The 2300 Evenings and Mornings: The answer to the question, “Until when . . .?” is given as, “Until 2300 Evenings and Mornings, then the sanctuary would be cleansed/vindicated.” The phrase “evenings and mornings” is used only in one other place in the Bible, namely, Genesis 1, to designate each day during Creation week (e.g. vs. 5, . The 2300 evenings and mornings are a period of 2300 prophetic days which represents 2300 years.

The beginning of this prophetic period is suggested by the question itself: “Until when the vision, the daily/continuance, and the transgression causing horror, to make both the sanctuary and the host a trampling?” (v. 13). This literal translation differs from others in that it separates the noun “vision” (hazôn) from “daily.” Most versions consider these two nouns to be in a very close relationship and translate them, “the vision of the daily,” limiting the question to the period during which the little horn was active. But the Hebrew text does not allow for this. (The first noun is in the absolute state; it has an article and long vowels.) It rather suggests that a comma be placed after tamîd, “daily.” The term hazôn (vision) is used in verses 1-2 to refer to the vision of the different animals. The question, then, is interested not only in the period during which the horn is active but also in the period of time that will take the whole vision to be fulfilled (vs. 112). This implies that the 2300 days/years should begin to be counted from the time during which the ram was active, that is, from the time of the Medo-Persian empire (v. 20). The vision will run from that time until the moment when the cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary begins. In looking for a more specific date for the beginning of the 2300 years the connection between Daniel 8 and 9 is very important. There are clear connections in terms between both chapters. In Daniel 9:23 Gabriel tells the prophet, “Understand the vision” (mar’eh).

The term mar’eh (vision, appearance), is the same one used in 8:26-27 to refer to “the vision of the evenings and mornings” the part of the hazôn, vision of chapter 8 which had to do with the time period. Gabriel interpreted the vision to Daniel except the audition concerning the 2300 years. At the end of chapter 8 Daniel stated that he did not understand the mar’eh. In chapter 9 Gabriel came to assist Daniel in understanding the mar’eh (vision) of the time period. Notice that in both chapters the verb “understand” is used (8:23-27; 9:1, 22-23) and that there is a common concern for the sanctuary. In 9:24 the sanctuary is dedicated and its services began and in 8:14 the sanctuary is being cleansed. The time prophecy of the 70 weeks forms part of the 2300 years. The verb “decree” in 9:24 also means “to cut off.” That is one of the meanings of the verb hatak (at least in Mishnaic Hebrew and in texts found in the Canaanite city of Ugarit [1300 BC]). The implication is that the 490 years were “cut off” from the 2300 years period. The 490 years began with the decree of Artaxerxes in 457 BC to rebuild Jerusalem. That is also the starting point for the 2300 years. The end point of that period would fall in A. D. 1844. It is then that the sanctuary will be cleansed/vindicated. It is at this particular time within salvation history that Christ begins the second aspect of his mediatorial work in the heavenly sanctuary mentioned in Hebrews 9:23 (see the last section of this paper).

3. Daniel 7:9-10, 13-14, 26-27: Judgment Scene

Daniel 7 contains an important judgment scene which, as we will show, parallels the sanctuary audition in 8:13-14. The judgment scene describes the initiation of the judgment (vs. 9-10), its conclusion (v. 13-14), and a short interpretation (vs. 26-27). The prophet saw thrones set in place for the members of the court to sit on. The wheeled throne of God was there, too. He appeared under the symbol of an Ancient of Days and sat on His throne. The books were opened before the court, one like a Son of Man came to the Ancient of Days, decisions were made, and the Son of man and the saints of the Most High received the kingdom. (1) Time of the judgment scene. In order to understand the function and purpose of this judgment it is important to establish clearly its place within the sequence of events in the vision. Daniel saw four beasts: one like a lion (v. 4), one like a bear (v. 5), another like a leopard (v. 6), and the fourth one was indescribable and had ten horns (v. 7). Daniel saw another horn coming out and uprooting three of the others. This little horn spoke against God, persecuted the saints for 3 1/2 times (360 x 3 + 180 = 1260 days/years), and changed or attempted to change the law and the times (v. 25). The judgment scene is introduced when the little horn was actively speaking great words against God (v. 11, 25). It had been persecuting the saints already for 3 1/2 times. The judgment takes place toward the end of the reign of terror of the little horn. In fact, as a result of the judgment the little horn lost its dominion and was destroyed. It is also after the judgment that the Son of man and the saints received God’s eternal kingdom (v. 27). The vision moves from persecution of the saints to judgment to the kingdom of God.

The judgment described in Daniel 7 takes place before the little horn is destroyed and the kingdom of God is established for ever. (2) Investigative Judgment. Several elements in the vision indicate that this is an investigative judgment, not an executive one, and that it takes place in heaven. In fact, the judgment scene is a heavenly one. God is there together with His council. In addition, thousands of His messengers are present to serve Him and to witness the judgment. The cosmic nature of this judgment is thus emphasized. The universe is interested in these proceedings. The investigative nature of this judgment is clearly expressed by the reference to books (v. 10). These contain the records of the lives of those who would be judged. They are not there in person but the records of their lives are there and they are being scrutinized. There are several references to celestial books in the Old Testament, all of them associated with God’s people. The righteous ones are listed there (Ps 69:28). Record is kept of their prenatal lives and of the length of their lives (139:16), their personal conflicts and struggles (56:, their words and thoughts (Mal 3:16), their good deeds (cf. Neh 13:14), and their sins also are recorded there (109:14; cf. Isa 65:6). Those sins can be blotted out of those records (109:4) although in some cases the name of the impenitent sinner is blotted out (Exod 32:32-33; Ps 69:28); in both instances the records would have been cleansed. Isaiah describes the remnant left in Jerusalem to enjoy the messianic era as those who were recorded for life (4:3). This took place after God cleansed them. In the New Testament the book of life is mentioned a number of times. It contains the names of those who committed themselves to the Lord (Phil 4:3; Rev 3:5; 13:8; 17:8; 20:12, 15) and is called the Lamb’s book of life (Rev 21:27). Records also are kept of the wicked ones to be used to judge and condemn them after the millennium (Rev 20:12).

The records discussed in the judgment scene in Daniel 7 are the records of God’s servants. They were being judged and the court decided in their favor (7:22). They were vindicated before the universe and they could now possess the kingdom. This is confirmed by comparing this judgment scene with Daniel 12:1-2. Michael stands up to receive the kingdom of glory. This was preceded by the defeat and destruction of the enemy from the north (11:45). Then the saints are delivered and a resurrection takes place. Those resurrected to eternal life have their names written in the book (12:1). This suggests that the investigative judgment examines also the records of those who died trusting the Lord. Their names were investigated and retained in the books because their sins were blotted out from the records forever. They, together with those who were delivered from the persecuting powers, can inherit eternal life. The judgment discussed in Daniel 7 is a vindicative judgment which declares the righteous ones worthy of inheriting the kingdom of God. This is done before the council of God, before the Son of man, before the universe. The deliberations of this court are opened to God’s intelligent creatures; God’s judicial decisions are being observed by those who are not necessarily members of the court. This serves to vindicate God’s government, the way life has dealt with sin and salvation, His actions before His vast universe. In this judgment God is also vindicated (cf. Ps 51:4).

The little horn is not judged in the sense in which the saints are judged, but it is condemned. Here we must be reminded of the biblical understanding of legal proceedings particularly in the context of innocent persons being falsely accused of a crime. They went to the temple court asking the Lord to judge them (Ps 7:8; 26:1), to examine their cases in order to be vindicated (7:9; 26:2). The wicked one functioned as the accuser in the court (cf. Zech 3:1-4; Ps 35:1). The vindication of the righteous ones confirmed the evilness of the wicked and in order to restore them the one causing the disruption was neutralized, condemned, and his or her power removed. This is what we seem to have in Daniel 7.

4. Meaning of the Cleansing/Vindication of the Sanctuary in Daniel

There is a clear connection between the judgment scene in Daniel 7 and the audition concerning the heavenly sanctuary in 8:13-14. The two chapters describe in parallel form the history of the world from the prophet’s time to the time of the end. Each chapter adds new elements throwing light on the nature of the great controversy and on specific events within salvation history. The investigative judgment and the cleansing of the sanctuary complement each other, enriching our understanding of Christ’s mediatorial work in the heavenly sanctuary shortly before the Second Coming. The book of Daniel looks forward to the time when the salvation of God’s people will be final. They are already the saints of the Most High. They received the cleansing benefits of the sacrificial death of the Messiah (9:24, 27) and He can, therefore, represent them in the heavenly court (7:13-14, 18). Yet, their cleansing and salvation is heading toward its final consummation. The vindication/purification of the sanctuary mentioned in Daniel 8:14 is what makes the vindication/purification of God’s people final before the universe. Their sins will be blotted out from God’s dwelling and they will inherit the eternal kingdom of God. During the day of atonement God judged His people. The vindication/purification of the sanctuary in Daniel includes also a work of judgment.

As we indicated, the verb used by Daniel to refer to the cleansing of the sanctuary (tsadaq) is primarily a legal term. In it legal and cultic aspects are brought together, making it possible to interpret the priestly work of the Prince in juridical-redemptive terms. This judgment seeks primarily to vindicate God’s people. This is developed in Daniel 7. There the saints were judged and acquitted. They remained in an attitude of complete dependence on God under the most distressing circumstances. The record of their lives was examined and their sins blotted out. Those whose names were preserved in the books, including the dead saints, inherited the kingdom (7:22; 12:1-2). Thus the sanctuary is cleansed. The priestly ministry of the Prince, mentioned in 8:11, was performed on behalf of God’s people. It was an intercessory ministry which granted forgiveness of sin. The purification of the sanctuary, referred to in 8:14, will make it clear that the involvement of the sanctuary in the sin problem was an effective way of disposing of the sin problem and that the transfer of sin to the sanctuary in no way affected God’s character. The cosmic judgment in Daniel 7 points precisely to this dimension of God’s concern for His own reputation and for the holiness of His dwelling place. The final resolution of the sin problem takes place before God’s creatures and they are allowed to open the books and examine them. As a result of this process the instrument of salvation, the Son of man, is recognized as universal king (v. 14). God’s contact with sin then comes to an end; the sanctuary was cleansed/vindicated.

5. Day of Atonement in Hebrews

In Hebrews there are clear references to the Israelite Day of Atonement. This is particularly the case in 9:25-26; 10:1-10. In these two passages the sacrifice of Christ and those offered during that day are contrasted. Christ’s sacrifice is described as unrepeatable and His blood as superior to the blood/sacrifice offered by the high priest in the earthly sanctuary during the Day of Atonement. Hebrews 9:25 states that He does not have to offer Himself again and again and 10:11 adds that He did that “once and for all.” The comparison is not between the ministry of the high priest in the Most Holy Place and Christ’s work in the heavenly sanctuary but between the effectiveness of Christ’s blood/sacrifice and the limited function of animal blood in the old system. The purpose of the references to the Day of Atonement in Hebrews is, then, to contrast Christ’s sacrifice with those of the Old Testament (7:27; 10:11), including the ones offered during the day of atonement, in order to show the superiority of the sacrifice of our Lord. Hebrews 9:23 is a very significant passage in a discussion of the typological meaning of the Day of Atonement in the earthly sanctuary. Scholars have been surprised by the statement made by the apostle that the heavenly things need to be purified. However, it is not difficult to interpret this passage once it is recognized that the reference is to the Day of Atonement.

There is here a clear indication to the effect that Christ is to perform in the heavenly sanctuary a work of cleansing that is the typological equivalent of the work of the high priest in the earthly sanctuary during the Day of Atonement. The passage does not state that this cleansing takes place immediately after Christ’s ascension. It simply states the important fact that the heavenly sanctuary also is in need of cleansing. It was in need of cleansing when the epistle was being written. This symbolism is not developed, neither is the time element discussed. Nevertheless, the connection is significant because it recognizes the fact that Christ’s mediatorial work encompasses the theological content of the annual services in the Israelite sanctuary. In addition, the context suggests that the cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary is connected with Christ’s death on the cross as sin bearer (vs. 26, 28) and with His work before the Father on behalf of His people (v. 25). At the cross He offered Himself for us and His blood is powerful enough to bring the sin problem to an end. He ministers for us in the heavenly sanctuary, applying the benefits of His sacrificial blood to those who believe and consummating our salvation through His work of judgment. The work of Christ on the cross and in the heavenly sanctuary should be our constant object of study. Every church member should explore the wondrous love of God revealed to us in Christ and in what He has done, is doing, and will do for us.

RedEzra wrote:For about 2000 years people have wondered when will Jesus return and whether it is immediate or not. Most of those people are already dead and buried and now we who are alive wonder as well. When will He come and is He slacking ? 2000 years is a long time waiting for someone...

Well it's not long now... as there is an astronomical mark in time in the Book of Revelation Ch 12 that paints the picture of a specific point in time. No other place in the Bible are we given an exact date for an event... and without astronomy software probably nobody would find it.

Of course most importantly God gives and restrains insights into His mysteries at His own discretion in the proper time. So someone found favor with God and was able to figure it out... and that person is Scott Clarke over at utube channel eternalrhythmflow.

Soon nobody no longer will wonder when Jesus will return... for an exact date is written in the stars and blueprinted in the Bible. For about 2000 years the appointed time was always there... in the movements of the planets and in the golden ink... waiting to be found and understood.

It is the glory of God to hide a matter and the glory of kings to find it. - Proverbs 25:2

Jesus is coming like a thief in the night to resurrect the righteous dead in glorified bodies... soon in the twinkling of an eye some men and women someone's father or mother a family member will become an angel with all the glory power and clarity vested in an angelic body.

This is the promise of God to those who love and obey Him. To those who don't love God and do not care about His moral code of conduct... well He is the Creator of the heavens and earth and the Maker of man... so how could anybody exist if God did not bring us into being ?

God is not going to force us to love Jesus or obey Him because God do not make autobots but free willed spirits made in His image. He will give us what we want. Well enough of my rambling... two months to go guys.

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Are you using this Bible?

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you for taking a closer look at the possibility of historical and contemporary extinctions. I've been looking at this sort of thing from a Biblical and Theological Point of View (with massive-doses of science-fiction -- and without being a Bible-Thumper). I can only take so much of this -- and as is the case with most of my pseudo-research, I end-up being highly debilitated by the possibilities. I guess my imagination is more vivid than it should be.

bobhardee wrote:Oxy,

That was an excellent show which I listened with pen and paper in hand. His theory regarding the ice ages made sense to me with only one exception. I thought that when a star went to a nova stage, it did not return back to normal but blew up or something like that. However, the part of what caused the earth to heat so rapidly and cause the ice ages to start seems to make perfect sense. Thanks for posting it. I am reading a very good book called Bone Labyrinth by James Rollins that you may enjoy. It combines religion, archaeology, technology and legend to connect early man with the fate of the Neanderthal while searching for a means to make modern man more intelligent. It is a fictional story that will keep you wanting to read one more chapter to see what is going to happen. I have never read any of Rollins before and was serendipitous that I stumbled onto this one.

[If there is anyone out there reading this and hasn't watched (listened) the above post, then you have missed out.]...and you may enjoy the book as well.

Bob H.

orthodoxymoron wrote:Bob, I think I'm more interested in the numerical-aspects of Vogt's theory. I tend to doubt that the Sun will go Nova in A.D. 2046 (or any other date in the near-future). A Professional-Astronomer told me there was NO Way this would occur. But what if ET could somehow turn up the heat on Earth through who-knows what means?? I have a very-tentative theory that we are presently in the Discovery and Disclosure portion of an Investigative and Executive Judgment of This Solar System by the Galactic Powers That Be -- which might be completed in (or around) A.D. 2133. My reasoning is complicated and thin -- and a lot of it did NOT originate in my feeble-mind. I suspect that Isaac Newton figured this whole-thing out -- and recorded most of his results in secret -- possibly awaiting a future-revelation time-capsule date. I tend to doubt that Douglas Vogt figured-out all of this stuff. Just like I doubt that Nicola Tesla created all of his inventions out of thin-air. BTW -- Isaac Newton thought the world might end -- possibly as early as A.D. 2060. Some interpret Daniel 8:14 to mean that the 2300 days-years will end around A.D. 2133. I have a very-rare book The End of the World, A.D. 2133 by Lucio Bernardo Silvestre. I seem to have the only available copy. It was in the Library of Congress. I keep looking for additional copies -- and I can't find ANY. It wouldn't surprise me if Isaac Newton had something to do with this book (and a couple of other books I'm studying). He wrote a book on Daniel and Revelation -- but I suspect that he withheld the "Good-Stuff". Interestingly, L. Ron Hubbard wrote a short-story (around 1940, I think) titled History Class, 2133 A.D. He wrote it under a pseudonym. I usually don't play Numbers-Games, but I'm making an exception to my rule (for now). I worry 24/7. My Fear That the World Will End Never Ends. World Without End. Amen.

orthodoxymoron wrote:I don't know why I'm asking this, but is the Alleged Death of Sherry Shriner somehow related to the Nuclear Missile Scare in Hawaii?? I think I found out about Sherry's supposed death on January 12, and I asked how she died, and I wondered if her passing somehow indicated that things might be going to hell?! The next day, the Hawaii Missile Scare occurred!! A few days later, someone told me that someone I've somehow associated with Sherry Shriner said to say "Hello" to me!! All of the Above is probably a real-stretch, but I wonder as I wander!! Three days prior to Fukushima, 'RA' told me "I'm sorry we couldn't work together. Too much water has gone under the bridge." I replied "Oh Well." Approximately three months prior to Fukushima, 'RA' told me that preparations had been completed for an undisclosed something. Honest. I've given up. I keep asking questions which never get answered. I keep sensing deception and obfuscation. I Eschew Obfuscation!! BTW -- It's now January 25, and Sherry hasn't had a show since January 5. That's three weeks without a show. This has never happened before. 'RA' knew that I was a regular listener to Sherry's show (without me telling him). I'd appreciate some inside-information regarding All of the Above. I'm tired of being 'Out of the Loop'. I'm forced to guess about EVERYTHING. No One Tells Me ANYTHING.

orthodoxymoron wrote:

I'm puzzled by the stone-cold measured-silence on this website. On most sites, there'd be angry-debates (complete with name-calling). I've clearly been a 'thorn in the flesh' but I've been tolerated for several-years (even though I think I wore-out my welcome around 2011). There's been no word about the true-fate of Sherry Shriner (but I have my theories). I think there are forum-members who know the real-story about Sherry, but they keep me in the dark (and I'm probably one of the very-few who even know who Sherry Shriner is). I recently noticed that Sherry's domain-name was on the verge of being sold-off due to non-payment, but today I noticed that someone paid the bill. There is still no mention of Sherry's death on her site. http://sherryshriner.com/ There's something weird about the whole Internet Information-War. It's as-if an alien-race is running the internet, with the Earth PTB being unable to do anything about it. I suspect that ultimately a 'New Dark-Ages' will emerge from an Info-War Meltdown.

Sherry Shriner claimed a lot of unbelievable-things in a stone-cold unemotional-manner. I'm not sure why I kept listening. It just seemed that she was some sort of a 'Rebel-Insider' who was revealing the unmentionable in a 'Crackpot-Manner'. Some of you might wish to revisit some of her shows for a reality-check. Some of you might wish to tell us Who the Hell Sherry Shriner Was, and How the Hell She Died (if she REALLY Died). Was Sherry Alien and/or Artificial-Intelligence?? What if Earth has been taken-over by Bio-Robotic Computer-Women??!! Someone recently claimed that I wasn't going to 'Get Lucky' for a very-long time!! I haven't 'Gotten-Lucky' for a very-long time, so that wouldn't take much getting used-to!! Would that have something to do with my speculation about a chain of command which approximates the following?? 1. Archon-Controlled Artificial-Intelligence. 2. Bio-Robotic Computer-Women. 3. Mean Old-Man Patriarchy. 4. We the Peons. Raven screamed "The Rabbit-Hole Mostly Goes Right Up Your @$$!!" What if I set-up All of the Above in antiquity?? What if things MUST be this way?? What Would Artemis Say?? The Horror.

"Bring Your Alibis"

Trust and Rules?? No Guns?? No Cops?? No Killing the Other Patients?? Hotel Artemis = Hotel California = Prison Planet = Planet Trump = Hospital for Sinners = Purgatory Incorporated?? Imagine Three Supercomputer-Controlled Planets in a Three-Planet Solar-System: 1. Heaven Incorporated. 2. Purgatory Incorporated. 3. Hell Incorporated. Imagine the Souls in this Solar-System Reincarnating Into the Appropriate-Planet, Based-Upon Their Character and Performance Rating!! Sort of Scary!! I'm Honestly Trying to Go Completely Incognito (one more time). I Realize Things Are Bad, But I'm Committed to an Irreverent Research-Project Based-Upon the Threads on Project Avalon and The Mists of Avalon (no matter what happens, and no matter how good or bad things get). If You Spooks Want to Know What I'm Doing, Just Study My Threads On PA and MOA. Actually, I'm Doing Less and Less As I Feel Worse and Worse. I Suspect I'll Be Dead in 5 to 10 Years, So You Probably Have Nothing to Worry About (except the end of the world). There's a Certain Stability and Predictability When a Completely-Ignorant Fool Chooses to Do Next to Nothing!!

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Planet Hell Inc-----Planet Purgatory Inc-----Planet Heaven Inc

This might not be the right time and/or place, but I'm trying not to make any new posts, so I'm just adding-on to this one as I attempt to go incognito. What if this solar-system consists only of the Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, the Moon, Mars, Deimos, Phobos, and the Asteroid-Belt?? What if Everything-Else is some sort of a Holographic-Projection?? What if Earth was badly-damaged in antiquity, with roughly-half of Earth consisting of a HUGE-Hole filled with Ice?? What if the UN Logo is what Earth really looks-like from space?? What if this approximates a Flat-Globe?? What if the Asteroid-Belt is essentially an impenetrable-shell (to protect the inner-planets)?? What if we've only achieved Low-Earth Orbit with our Conventional-Spacecraft?? What if we can "Take ET Home" with Alien Unconventional-Spacecraft?? What if the Solar-System is Supercomputer-Managed (going-back thousands, millions, or even billions of years)?? What if All of the Above is a Galactic-Prison and Reform-School for Completely-Ignorant Fools?? What if the Moon, Mars, Deimos, and Phobos are where the Prison-Administrators mostly reside and work (and where new-prisoners might be processed, tried, released, etc.)?? What if this Whole-Thread is closer to reality than anyone can imagine (including me)?? What if this is why no-one will talk to me?? This is mostly-speculation. Nobody has told me what to write. I'm making this up as I go completely-insane and prepare to die. 'RA' told me "The Jesuits Don't Like You" and "They Like You On Phobos". Another Individual of Interest told me "You Have Friends in High-Places." It Makes Me Wonder. It Really Makes Me Wonder.

What if virtually everything is BS (in one way or another)?? What if one should randomly research this and that, without jumping on any perceived band-wagon (including Q and Trump)?? I'm not suggesting rejecting everyone and everything. I'm suggesting not settling into a false sense of security. We wish for things to be happy and certain (especially regarding what we've invested in) even when deep-research reveals anything but happiness and certainty. I sincerely doubt my own threads on Project Avalon and The Mists of Avalon. They are highly experimental, and involve a lot of uncharted-territory. What if we live in a Centrally-Controlled Purgatory Incorporated (wherein ALL Sides are controlled by the Same War-Room)?? What if we should treat life as a nasty-treadmill to develop our souls for some greater purpose (which might not be realized in this present life)?? I don't wish to be negative all the time, but what does history reveal?? I keep talking about the Bible. I enjoy possibility-thinking in this area, but it's not a nice and happy study (if one is honest) yet literally billions of people look to this ancient collection of books for security and happiness. But what is the reality?? Painful Lessons to be Learned?? Sorry for the rant, but perhaps all possibilities should be considered all the time (whether we like it or not). Unfortunately, All of the Above Doesn't Sell. It's NOT What People Want.

http://www.amazon.com/Hang-your-heritage-Ralph-Didier/dp/B0006CX3OC

JoeEcho wrote:

Here is but one example with my observations inserted:

Soon there will be nearly zero authentic conversations

Do you ever look at a small piece of the digital puzzle and know it is a sign of bigger things to come?

I came across the headline "6 new Gmail features worth trying -- and how to get them now" on CNN Money.
Quickly scanning through it and stopped on the following..

5. Let Google answer for you

When you can't find the words, let Google answer for you. Gmail's new Smart Reply feature scans incoming email and suggests three possible replies for simple enough conversations. For example, if a friend emails to ask if you have any pepper jack cheese for a picnic, Gmail might suggest "I do!" "I do indeed" or "No, I do not." You can edit or add to the text before hitting send.

Google has been working on its Smart Reply feature for years, starting with the Inbox app in 2015. The feature is also available in Gmail's Android and iOS apps. Referece: http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/26/technology/new-gmail-features/index.html

At some point Google or some other company will offer a version of a bot to answer your emails and left to progress, will become increasingly difficult to tell the difference if it is a bot or a real person who answered. Partly, I believe, because of technological advancements and partly because people will have forgotten what authentic communication looks like over time.

Had this flash that at some point, maybe shockingly soon, emails and other digital communication will auto replying evolving to a point when most will not be able to tell if a human authentically expressed it or it is an auto reply. And that doesn't even touch on the video editing and voice synthesis advancements that will expand false communications.

This and the speed of these advancements coupled with many others advancements has the feel of one being slowly absorbed into a Borg-like Collective. It may be my imagination but it sure looks like a plausible path for humanity. To be fair, I find that both fascinating yet ominous feel to it.

JoeEcho wrote:

mudra wrote:

JoeEcho wrote:
This and the speed of these advancements coupled with many others advancements has the feel of one being slowly absorbed into a Borg-like Collective. It may be my imagination but it sure looks like a plausible path for humanity. To be fair, I find that both fascinating yet ominous feel to it.

I don't think it is your imagination Joe because then it's mine too. This looks very real to me as I am witness to more and more automation taking place around and invites not to say obligations to interact with various programs rather than people. I found from experience with them that these things are able to handle basic stuff but unable to deal with specific or unusual situations.

Maybe it's because I have known an entirely different world where internet and computers didn't even exist, in which there was room for one to one conversations with people, but I observe this personality of mine isn't running with arms open into the new cyber AI world.

In a way it's good to know we have short life spans as humans in this particular vista of time. I would be thoroughly unhappy at the idea to have to spend another 200 years or more with this body during the " SMART " era which is yet at it's beginnings only. I hope I'll only have to taste it not to swallow the whole dish

Love from me
mudra

For sure.

I feel like someone that has largely got off that train opting to follow it from the air to get a different perspective. From this vantage point I can see up ahead that the said train is headed for a collapsed bridge and the passengers are largely in denial of their impending troubles. I radioed the train about the condition of the bridge up ahead and received a modern day response.... "fake news". Obviously that didn't actually happen but I do believe those immersed in modern tech are endanger of losing something worth keeping. The train picked up speed in an effort to get where it thinks its going. Boy! are the passengers in for a shock up ahead. (I just heard a brief stanza from the Alanis Morissette song "Isn't it Ironic" play in my mind.) Some have sounded the alarm but my bet is many in the tech industry have seen this coming too but are too vested to sound off.

orthodoxymoron wrote:What if HAL 9000 did 9/11?? What if HAL 9000 monitors and controls virtually everyone and everything, with ancient programming and protocols?? What if the 'planes' were part of the secret space program (controlled by HAL 9000)?? 'RA' told me "9/11 was done to prevent something much worse from happening." What if 'RA' was controlled by 'HAL'?? I've quit my USSS thread, and I'll try not to post at all, but I might occasionally post on someone else's thread when I just can't resist. This solar system predicament is much too big and problematic for me to properly deal with, and I have been profoundly debilitated since 9/11. Something HUGE happened to Earth in 2001, and something HUGE happened to Me in 2010 (The Year We Made Contact). What Would David Bowman Say?? Sherry Shriner said that Donald Trump was compromised and mind-wired, but that he was not one of the really bad-guys. She said he would be led in a direction he wouldn't want to go. I suspect this has been the case for endless numbers of leaders throughout history. What if HAL 9000 is filled with Archons?? "My God!! It's Full of Stars!!" The second video is not directly related to this thread, but it might shed light on the overall solar system predicament. Once again, how does one know and/or verify anything regarding This Present Darkness?? The third video always frightens me regarding the possible history of our predicament. The last video might expose the most obvious aspects of 9/11 but the People We Love to Hate might be Pawns controlled by the Borg Queen controlled by HAL 9000 controlled by Archons controlled by ????? What Would Anna (in 'V') Say?? The Horror.

Carol wrote:Bob, in 2004 we disconnected from the rogue CIA Mockingbird MSM, TV, newspapers and controlled radio programs. All our news is from multiple news sources (international), actual documents, government reports, whistle blowers, military insiders, and those who were not afraid to step forward and share the truth about what is going on behind the Wizard of Oz (the Satanic illuminati cabal). Having worked in the field of violence and abuse, my area of expertise back in the 80's I can share that Satanic influence, abuse, human sex trafficking, child abduction, pedophilia, torture and murder, including canabilism occurs on a regular basis throughout the world and HRC was/is in the middle of it all. When I discovered who the high level Satanists were in the San Francisco Bay Area and beyond, it scared the bejesus out of me. I was also a family counselor and heard first hand stories of this type of abuse. One cannot even begin to imagine how throughly horrible, disgusting, sickening it was that these Satanists did to innocent children. The sexual abuse, torture and murder was rampant. I also trained professionals (law enforcement, medical community, social services, educators/teachers, and general public) in the recognition of abuse and what to do about it. I can also add there there is no such thing as a cure for a pedophile and they are known to sexually abuse 200-500 children in their life time. When I share that HRC is a child sex abuser this is also based on direct evidence from actual victims and recorded videos also found on Anthony Wiener's laptop. If you think HRC is your cup of tea.. I'm sorry. Because I think she is one of the most vile individuals who is still living on the planet. She is a traitor and was directly involved in child human trafficking. She is reportedly a Satanist and wears jewelry that indicates as much. The facts are irrefutable and many who have gone after her, who were ready to testify against her, tend to end up dead. This also includes people who worked for our government, who died as a result of her selling US intel to China and other foreign countries.

Since I refuse to believe anything on CNN, PBS, ABC, NBC and most printed media the only recourse was to go to original sources for information and find out the truth from them first hand or within their books or reports. This is also to say I was privy to reading actual word-for-word interviews from many of these high up military insiders. So my world view has not been shaped my MSM and is instead based on actual facts as they are revealed. I share less then 1% of the total sum of what I know about. There's just too much data and it's too overwhelming for the average person to take in. Since I've had actual conversations with numerous people who were both abductees and contactee there is that info also. Many of these people have written books but the best parts of their personal experiences were shared over lunch with them one-on-one.

There is a lot of very scary stuff going on and there is a lot of good stuff going on. This involves a huge spiritual battle as well as this fight is also multi-dimensional and even involves, yes, time travelers from the future who are here on the planet now assisting. My friend personally met one and shared with me what transpired.

The US patriots and good ETs are stepping forward to take out the cable and re-establish harmony on this planet. Keep in mind that if Trump is assassinated, that the military patriots will step in and take over the government from the traitors that exist within. Marshal law would be a given and HRC along with Obama and crew get a one way ticket to GITMO along with a personal military tribunal.

So, irrespective of the intense negativity that the Fake news puts out daily in the MSM, I tend to remain optimistic. IMPO, the real threat to humanity is AI, earth changes brought about by the solar minimum, quakes, intense weather changes, Nibiru, along with some type of future biological disease. I'd still put AI at the top of the list as Col Corso said that he personally saw a chip taken from the brain of a ET clones back in 1947 during the Roswell incident. You may want to read his book Conversations with Colonel Corso available at Amazon. AI chip in humans is dangerous on multiple levels. Transhumanism is exceptionally dangerous to the human race.

Corso also shared that the the US military has had time travel since the 40's. In fact Bush Sr. was involved in the program in the 60's which explains a lot.

So my friend, I'm more concerned about self-sufficieny given the upcoming financial take down and restructuring along with a very cold winter than I am with any supposed threat of war. These days war threats are more smoke and mirrors and used as a diversion from what is going on behind the scenes, a take down of the globalist war mongers.

Being a person of faith, I know that we are spiritual beings on a human journey to learn and experience much to help us become compassionate. Humanity has a long way to go but as Simon Parks has expressed, we're also going to get assistance from multiple sources including a galactic energy wave that will help raise consciousness. Meanwhile, we'll enjoy the beauty the world has to offer, and drink in the energy from our forest environment.

orthodoxymoron wrote:Carol, your response was articulate and eloquent (as usual) which is a major reason why I've spent so much time on 'The Mists of Avalon' even though my editorial-slant is much different than that of the major-posters. I've been thoughtful and respectful toward the 'Individuals of Interest' I claim to have had contact with over the past several years (and possibly throughout my life) even though my editorial-slant is much different than theirs. I'm honestly attempting to not post on the internet (here or anywhere else). It honestly feels as if I'm being restrained by the Matrix because of who I might be on a soul-basis and because of what I might be remembering, discovering, and conceptualizing. I live close to nature, but I might move even closer to nature (and away from 'civilization') when I can afford to do so. I voted for Donald Trump, and I've leaned toward the right for most of my life, but I honestly suspect that all-sides and all high-profile people are centrally-controlled by One Boss (for better or worse, I know not).

An Individual of Interest told me of their service in the Viet-Nam War in '68-'69 and how the whole-thing was orchestrated to not be won, and prolonged to maximize profits, principally through arms and drugs. Drugs were often transported in the bodies of dead soldiers. Small numbers of soldiers were slaughtered while large numbers of nearby troops were deliberately kept out of the battle. This Individual of Interest told me they became an Anti-War Protester in the early '70's. What Would Lt Col Kilgore Say and Do?? I almost asked him if Monsters were a major reason for our involvement in Southeast Asia?! John Lear learned of this hypothetical-phenomenon in an interview, and he said that made a huge amount of sense, and would explain a lot of things. What if most wars are covers for things which are much worse??

I'm honestly attempting to focus on a couple of Bible Commentaries and a dozen Books of the Bible (even though I am highly suspicious of their origins and intent). I try to utilize contextual-superimposition and possibility-thinking (for better or worse, I know not). Raven said "You're No Good" and "You're a Completely Ignorant Fool" and I think she was absolutely-correct. Nothing seems to bring peace and certainty. O Wretched Man That I Am. I Hate My Life. Perhaps 5G Will Save Us!! Hope Springs Eternal!! Now I'm Going to Make the Coffee (with Baily's Irish-Cream Creamer) and Watch the 'Christian Whistle-Blower'. What Would the Oracle Do?? What Would ClearWater Say??

giovonni wrote:

Hello ...

giovonni wrote:Stick a fork into it ...

On this date 9/9/2008 - I began this walk into the abstract world of the alternative community forum realm .. But several years ago - after finding more frustration than peace within it, I decided i would gradually extract myself from within it ...
Now today 9/9/2018 a decade past and complete, I will return from where i came ...

Farewell and peace to all.



So be it !

orthodoxymoron wrote:Gio, I hope you'll reconsider at a later-date, but my experience somewhat parallels your own. I started on PA about the same time you did, and I've been attempting to extricate myself from the information-war for several years, as I feel worse and worse, as if the hypothetical-matrix is cracking-down on me. I've enjoyed your posting throughout the years, and especially your current-thread on MA. I need to stop posting, and review the Best of PA and MA, as I mostly read books and newspapers while listening to classical-music. Namaste and Godspeed, Gio.

Carol wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCWSzxoadVE
TIME TRAVELERS Changing History

TIME TRAVELERS Changing History
Al Bielek and Larry James (10-5-2000)

The Montauk Project was an outgrowth of the Philadelphia Experiment, led by Nikola Tesla, which resulted in time travel technology. MK-Ultra, sometimes referred to as the CIA's mind control program, was the code name given to an illegal program of experiments on human subjects, designed and undertaken by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

Carol wrote:The Philadelphia Experiment - Real Time Travel. This is Al Bielek. Sadly old Al and Phil Schnieder, William Cooper and many others have all been murdered off from telling us any more details on their long and interesting careers. Which only fuels more interest really. RIP to all of em. They all died knowing.

Time Travel, The Philadelphia Experiment, The Greatest Story Ever Told
The Man Who Traveled Through Time, Al Bielek Through 2137 & 2749

Carol wrote:When I saw that the interview was 4 hours long I thought - uh oh. But having listened to a good 15 hours of various other interviews of Basiago I wondered about Mendez because he was somewhat new as a whistle blower and was one who was not subjected to mind-control where his memory was compartmentalized. He reported directly to the President and basically was the negotiator with ETs. Meaning he was the person who interacted with them and reported what he learned to Nixon among others. His story is exceptionally revealing. I put headphones on and relax in the recliner to listen.

Listened to the shorter interviews the next day but the 4-hour one was the best as it is filled with data that cleared up areas of confusion after listening to some other whistle blowers awhile back. What I like about Mendez he just lays it all out there in great detail.

Here is a shorter interview that he participates in with Andy Basiago and Laura Eisenhower. Laura tends to come across as a bit scattered brain. Basiago claims he was a roommate with Obama for 3 months in one of the DARPA programs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik8gEKzhsao&feature=related

QUOTE: Time travel and teleportation technologies are real, and the United States government has used them since at least the 1960s. So say our guests lawyer Andy Basiago and former special assistant to President Nixon Bernard Mendez. They know, because they say they were a part of these programs that sent them through time and space to the past, the future, and even to Mars! And they weren't alone. They report being with many others, including a young Barack Obama!

Laura Eisenhower, great-grandaughter of President Eisenhower also joins us to corroborate their stories of a secret space program hidden from the ordinary citizens of Earth.

Carol wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7Ymq0iPnTk

Bernard Mendez -- ET Negotiator
A trailer of the full interview with Bernard Mendez who was a special Presidential assistant during the early 1970's working directly with ET races.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS8DwK7Fy_Y&feature=related
Bernie Mendez Interview 4 hours

orthodoxymoron wrote:What if the so-called 'Future-Humans' are simply part of the hypothetical Solar-System Secret-Government, which might be unimaginably sophisticated??!! Two things which Al Bielek has said, really trouble me. One is the relationship between the so-called 'Aliens' and the Nazis, which was supposedly severed in 1941. The Second is Al stating that a 9 foot (or so) Reptilian-Being runs the Vatican (or something to that effect)!! I should stop!! I was going 'Incognito'!! The less said the better!!

An Individual of Interest told me the Whole Solar System was based upon LIES!! HONEST!!











"I Didn't See God"

burgundia wrote:

burgundia wrote:

JoeEcho wrote:

Dyslexia, ain't it a B*itch?

orthodoxymoron wrote:

What if ALL of US were Ancient Reptilian Warriors (with a HUGE amount of Karmic-Debt)?? What if God is a Supercomputer-Network (with or without a Soul-Interface) going back thousands (or even millions) of years?? What if God has Multiple-Bodies and Multiple-Personalities (both Good and Evil)?? What if God MUST Control ALL Sides?? What if Politics and Religion are Cover-Stories which keep us from going completely-insane?? Reading the Bible from cover to cover reveals the Best of the Best and the Worst of the Worst, All in the Name of God. What if this Solar System is a Galactic Insane Asylum for Completely Ignorant Fools, as a Prison-Planet Reform-School in Rebellion, specifically designed to Cleanse the Sanctuary of That Which Defiles?? I've spoken with an Individual of Interest who said they have "Always Been (and Always Will Be) Opposed to Humanity". They said "An Extermination Is Inevitable and Immanent". They spoke repeatedly of "Fallen and Sinful Human-Nature". I spoke with Another Individual of Interest who said they were "Angry and Jealous" and that they "Didn't Need to Sleep". They said they had "Always Remained One Step Ahead of Humanity". They asked me if I thought "Earth Might Be Hell"?? They said "I Built Vegas with Bugsy" and "I Am RA". They said they "Couldn't Talk About the NSA". Damn-It!! I Forgot to Take My Medicine!! Dr. Zdrok is going to @#%^ me!!

Sanicle wrote:

Oxy wrote:What if God has Multiple-Bodies and Multiple-Personalities (both Good and Evil)??

Of course that's true Oxy, if you believe that God is the source of ALL ............... that everything in existence is an aspect of that creative Source, as we are continually taught. Which also means that everything you've said above could be true and/or that He caused it to be so, including your 'Individuals of Interest'.

But why focus on the 'negative' aspects of His Creation when there are plenty of 'positive' aspects of it as well to enjoy? What's done is done after all so we might as well just get on with it, don't you think? Even if you know the 'Truth', can you change it? Can anyone?

Life here can be a blessing. Just look around you at all the beauty. I, for one, don't really care anymore what negative influences might be manipulating us all behind the scenes as they can't take away the love and joy that is shared with me in this life so I have found its treasure despite them. And then I know I'll die one day and be free of it all anyway. Game over and freedom once more.

orthodoxymoron wrote:Sanicle, it's hard to explain (even to myself) why I post what I post, but it probably has something to do with "Thinking God's Thoughts After Him and/or Her and/or ??????"!! I understand 'Positive-Reinforcement' yet properly analyzing history and our predicament is probably a necessary and thankless exercise in futility which a very few of us MUST attempt (for better or worse, I know not). I've simply committed myself to providing a Research-Baseline for Sirius-Researchers, but God knows I need to do something, along these lines, which actually pays the bills, and gets me off all of those nasty lists. Staying out of a mental-institution would be an added plus, yet Truth-Seeking is probably inherently Insanity-Producing, which is why I just mumble to myself on this little website, rather than making a Big-Deal Out of the Unthinkable and Unknowable. This is probably all about communicating with Those Who Already REALLY Know, rather than making converts and a fast-buck.

Sanicle wrote:I think you've done MORE than your fair share Oxy. As we've realized, we can't change the 'big picture' by worrying and fretting about it. We just help the 'negatives' along by creating our own personal Hell within by doing that. It's impossible to change the 'big picture' when we have so many minds working against it. Energy follows thought. What we CAN do however is change our OWN minds and environment and thus find our peace and just sit back and watch the show unfold. Don't you think? But then maybe we get our 'pleasure' in life from analyzing it all and reporting what we've realized along the way like you do. If that's so I suggest you just accept that as so, stop worrying about it and go for it in a positive frame of mind. Win win.

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Sanicle. The plan is to stop worrying in public. I officially went 'incognito' at the end of August, but that Las Vegas thing upset me, and I started posting again. Perhaps I should stop (at least for the rest of 2017). The subsequent plan is to put a happy-face on my retentive-analysis. I've observed a few theologians and preachers doing this sort of thing. A conspiracy-theorist recently told me they were essentially 'calling-off the dogs', and that after decades of negativity, they were going to positively-reinforce that which presently exists (or something to that effect). Perhaps I should go and do likewise.

"Forgot to Take Your Medicine Again, Oxy??"

evisnam wrote:The Second Cosmic Law

Freedom is who you are.

This is the phonetic sound of the words i imagined....

" Inkhe he sheldrek miya hon she nam " in certain dialects of Hindi it means " i am pleased to see you " िंखे हे शेल्ड्रेक मिया होण शी नाम

but when i felt it in my mind i understood it but then it took me time to apply it to my self , my own personal place.

I am pleased to see me , i am pleased to see me free to do as i wish and to roam in any way i want. I am free , i am not subservient of anything other than my own personal situation of which i imply with my own doing.

When you are pleased with your self , you are free.

The second law also states ,

You do in turn you see , be ready for what you've become.

when the finger is pointed there are three pointing back at you and the thumb up to the heavens.

inside the imagination trying to conduct freedom we point the finger to all that we " believe " limit us .. but its our foresight that saves...

learn from the lesson , do not lament it.

Anything you encounter you have created.

To Be Part of the universal family this must be in your very essence.

Carol wrote:

JUST IN: Wikileaks Just Exposed Robert Mueller’s True Identity – It’s Worse Than We Imagined
August 6, 2017 Adam Selene

The Left’s recent decision to turn on Wikileaks founder, Julian Assange, reveals that they are puppets blindly following the mainstream media without any underlying values or principles.

Julian Assange has generated the ire of the Washington establishment since he first became politically active in 2006. According to the Daily Mail, former FBI Director and current special counsel, Robert Mueller, has been attempting to frame Julian Assange since at least 2011. Now, he’s attempting to frame President Trump in an effort to maintain establishment control in Washington D.C.

In 2011, Icelandic member of parliament and then-minister Ogmundur Jonasson demanded that nine FBI agents, under the direction of Robert Mueller, leave Iceland. This was after Jonasson uncovered their intentions to frame Julian Assange of Wikileaks.

Robert Mueller was attempting to retaliate against Julian Assange after Wikileaks published almost 100,000 documents relating to the Afghan and Iraq wars. The documents reveal that American forces turned a blind eye to Iraqi torture, and that American intelligence agencies have targeted Wikileaks as a threat to American interests.

The FBI reached out to Jonasson promising to help the small country defend against what they described as an “imminent attack” on Iceland’s government databases.

Jonasson said he was immediately suspicious of the FBI’s involvement, but did not understand their true intentions until a “planeload” of agents came to meet him. Jonasson explains that the FBI agents were seeking his “cooperation in what I understood as an operation set up to frame Julian Assange and WikiLeaks.”

He promptly asked the agents to leave the country. “Since they had not been authorized by the Icelandic authorities to carry out police work in Iceland, and since a crack-down on WikiLeaks was not on my agenda, I ordered that all cooperation with them be promptly terminated.”

Carol wrote:

After This There Is No Turning Back:

Ex Naval Officer Outlines Key Events Up Until 2018

Saturday, May 7, 2016 16:47

Ex Naval Officer Outlines key events leading up until 2018 including a third world war, China’s failed nuclear attack backfires…Earth 2…also, the physics of wormholes, ET contacts over the history of Earth, the negative ETs, and more.

He recounts how these episodes opened up his receptivity to the visions and visitations—i’m including a visitation by Jesus Christ; and his ongoing “channel” with Pleiadian and Arcturians, who are part of a seven nation confederation which is preparing mankind for disclosure and ultimately what could be termed ascension.

There’s Nothing More Valuable Than Knowledge.

The Rabbit Hole Goes Real Deep, Find Out How Deep… HERE

orthodoxymoron wrote:I spontaneously suggested (two years ago) the possibility that there might be a "Little Time of Trouble" in 2016 -- a "Bigger Time of Trouble" in 2018 -- and the "Big Kahuna" between 2030 and 2060. This was the result of research and intuition. I pick-up little bits and pieces of information and fiction -- and then just let it settle in my soul. I include unconventional-views of Bible-Prophecy (but I try not to be a Proselytizing Bible-Thumper). I guess this is my version of the "Bible-Codes". I listen to Sherry Shriner each week (for strange clues about this and that) but I'm not a disciple -- and I don't get involved in Orgone and the real Bible-Codes. BTW -- didn't that movie Iron Sky present a Nazi "Alien" Invasion occurring in 2018?? I spoke with a very intelligent and knowledgeable Mason approximately two-years ago, who suggested that we'd be at war within two-years -- and that a future war and/or disaster would randomly eliminate 80% of the world's population. What was really creepy is that we had this brief discussion in a cemetery!! I'm presently thinking that most of the Alien and Advanced-Technology thing are somehow related to an Ancient Orion-Hebrew Phenomenon -- and that most of us might be part of an Original and Ancient "Orion-Group". What Would Alex Collier Say?? Bill Cooper claimed that the Navy was deeply involved with ET and the Secret Space-Program. Bill was Ex-Navy.

Carol wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZitIQN24kOg
The Fed & Former Fed Heads Are Now Worried About The Future Of The Fed - Episode 1660a

Report date: 09.10.2018

Consumers are tapped out, credit cards are at their max as revolving credit hits a new all time high. GDP growth getting better and better, Trump counters Obama, showing that he does have a magic wand. US ports are worried about the tariffs, they say they are going to lose jobs if this keeps up. The Former Fed chiefs are worried about the next financial crisis and they are making the case that the Fed will need to print money like we've never seen before and they need the government to allow them to do this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RA1Mk5CDCk
T Minus [0:00],Prepare For Release,The Storm Is Here - Episode 1660b

Report date: 09.10.2018

Obama spied on a reporters and also silenced them when he was president. WH now setting up another meeting with Kim Jong Un. The battle is Syria is on, this is a battle between the good guys and bad guys, we are not fighting Assad's forces. This is the last holdout of the deep state and they are about to be taken out. Q drops more breadcrumbs, the storm has arrived. Any day now the FISA pages are going to be released and we are going to see the fallout. The storm is here and the physical storms are here, coincidence?

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sherrytalkradio/2017/08/22/08-21-17-blacklisted-news-and-bible-prophecy-watch

Carol wrote:The August 21, 2017 Eclipse – 33+ Fascinating Facts
https://countdownreport.wordpress.com/2017/08/12/august-21-eclipse-33-facts/

This eclipse even by the world’s standards is being set as “The Great American Eclipse” because of how unique it is. Yes, plenty of partial and solar eclipses happened in the past, but what makes this one different?

1. MOST total eclipses falls over water or unpopulated areas of the planet, so an eclipse that is visible is rare in itself. The August 21 eclipse will be the first total solar eclipse whose path of totality stays completely in the United States since 1776 according the Space.com Total Solar Eclipse 2017 guide.

What else happened in 1776? Oh, so a total solar eclipse that affects only the United States, a gentile nation, since the founding of it? Note taken.

2. EVERYONE in the continental U.S. has the opportunity to at least a partial eclipse. This eclipse will be the most viewed ever.

3. A solar eclipse is a lineup of the Sun, the Moon, and Earth and a solar eclipse happens only at a New Moon and solar eclipses don’t happen at every New Moon. More rare upon rare.

4. First contact is in the state of Oregon, the 33rd state in the USA. The last contact is in South Carolina on the 33rd parallel. This eclipse happens on day 233 of the year. If the Revelation 12 sign is valid, then the eclipse is also 33 days before September 23, 2017. Jesus is thought to have been 33 when He died.

5. Just for fun: It is 99 years (3 x 33) since the last eclipse to go coast-to-coast in the US, in 1918. From September 23, 2017 (Revelation 12 sign) to the end of the year, December 31, 2017 is 99 days (or 3 x 33). The number of days from the 1918 eclipse to the August 21 eclipse are 26,234 days. (2+6+2+3+4 = 17; 2017?). From August 12, 2017, the date of the Charlottesville Virginia “State of Emergency” declared to the August 21, 2017 Great Solar Eclipse is 9 days (3+3+3) and the dates are also mirrored – 12 and 21.

33 has a special relation to earthquakes because the Richter Scale uses the number 33. Each whole number that goes higher on the scale is 33 times more intense than the whole number below it. (Keep this in mind for a special treat below!)

6. First big city the eclipse hits in Oregon is Salem – Salem was named after Jerusalem. The eclipse also begins in Oregon exactly at sunset time in Jerusalem. So technically speaking, as the sun sets in American it will be setting in Jerusalem at the same time.

7. The center line crosses through 12 primary states to receive total darkness. 12 disciples, 12 months in a year, the meaning of 12, which is considered a perfect number, is that it symbolizes God’s power and authority, as well as serving as a perfect governmental foundation. (Remember the 1776 thing?)

8. The eclipse path is exactly 70 miles wide. 70 has a sacred meaning in the Bible that has two perfect numbers, 7 that represents perfection and 10 that represents completeness and God’s law. 70 also symbolizes perfect spiritual order and a period of judgment. 70 is also specially connected with Jerusalem with so many references it would take a book to write.

9. When Jesus died, there was an eclipse? and a earthquake. “It was now about noon, and darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon” – Luke 23:44-45 / “Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.” – Matthew 27:54.

10. Donald Trump was born on an eclipse.

11. The path of the August 21, 2017 eclipse crosses every major earthquake fault line. (Remember that note above above 33 in the Richter scale?) On August 23, 2017 there is a FEMA exercise known as “EarthEX2017” scheduled that will simulate “catastrophes such as mega earthquakes, cyber terrorism or high altitude electromagnetic pulse attacks”

Here is the eclipse path imposed on the USGS map of highest earthquake zones.

12. Another eclipse comes in 2024, 7 years after the August 21, 2017 and marks an X over the United States. The combined time of totality of these eclipses together will be 7 minutes. The day of the eclipse is August 21, 2017 – (7 + 7 + 7 = 21). The exact point where the two eclipses cross is right next to Cedar Lake in Illinois… specifically right next to SALEM Road. (Salem again!)

13. The region in southern where the X marks in Illinois is called “Little Egypt”. The exact point where the two paths cross is in the town of Makanda, which used to be called the “Star of Egypt”.

14. The last time we had a full eclipse in 1918 – it was accompanied by pandemic and war. Flu crisis of 1918, millions died and the US was involved in World War 1. Now as we face the next eclipse, we have a Opioid crisis and World War 3?

15. During the plagues of Egypt, the land was covered in darkness. Exodus 10:21-23 tells us, “Then the Lord said to Moses, “Lift your hand toward heaven, and the land of Egypt will be covered with a darkness so thick you can feel it.” So Moses lifted his hand to the sky, and a deep darkness covered the entire land of Egypt for three days.

16. The sun is 400 times bigger, and just so happens to be 400 times farther away from the earth. The original form of the Hebrew letter Tav is like the English letter X or T – which is in the shape of a cross, or X– like the X that is made by the two solar eclipses on the cross paths over 7 years. The letter Tav means “a sign”.

17. The path of the eclipse will be situated in such a way that every single state of the US will experience it, even Hawaii and Alaska.

18. The totality will reach Oregon at 10:16 AM Pacific, and will end in South Carolina at 2:49 PM Eastern. That means it will take 1 hour and 33 minutes to cross the country. There is that 33 again.

19. Eclipses never repeat in the exact same spot.

20. Right before full totality of the eclipse, the last light glimpse from the sun will form a diamond ring in the sky. Marriage anyone?

21. Based on past eclipses, people report feeling a profound sense of awe during and after a total solar eclipse and other “different” things.

22. Only Earth can experience a total solar eclipse.

23. Big difference between a partial eclipse and full eclipse. The sun’s light that makes the difference between a 99.9% partial and 100% total is significant. Only during a 100% eclipse is the solar corona visible. August 21, 2017 is a 100% experience.

24. The August 21, 2017 eclipse also cuts through every major occult symbol in the United States like the Georgia Guidestones, St. Louis Gateway Arches, and the founding state of the masons to name a few.

25. This eclipse will be the only known eclipse in history to have the longest and most uninterrupted track across a single land mass.

26. A partial lunar eclipse took place on August 7, 2017, in the same eclipse season. It was visible over eastern Europe, Africa, Asia, and Australia. From August 7, 2017 to August 21, 2017 was 14 days, an average division of 7.

27. This solar eclipse is a part of Saros cycle 145 which contains 77 events. The series ends at member 77 as a partial eclipse on April 17, 3009.

28. No matter what you feel about it, these things are documented to happen during an full eclipse: stars come out, the horizon glows with a 360-degree sunset, temperature drops significantly, and well, day turns into night obviously.

29. Due to the mass “Exodus” of people that are expected to view this eclipse, a figure only accounted in the “millions” will be skipping work and school to view this event in the path of totality.

30. While you may not be preparing for it, others are. This eclipse is causing states, cities, and townships to declare an official state of emergency due to likely accidents, large crowds, increase in violence, and occultist rituals to take place.

31. The longest known total solar eclipse lasted about 7 minutes.

32. The U.S. mainland has averaged about 7 total solar eclipses per century since 2000 B.C. So the rarity of the August 21, 2017 solar eclipse is not only considered a once in a lifetime event, it will be a once in about 7 lifetimes event.

33. And while more than 33 facts have been crammed in this post, let us end on this last one:

The eclipse is also exactly 40 days from Yom Kippur. Yom Kippur means “Day of Atonement” and is a time of repentance. While the eclipse day itself may come and go with everything remaining “normal” afterwards, we need to be focused on what could be coming soon after.

Is the US being warned to repent? 40 days were given in the Sign of Jonah, when the eclipse overtook Nineveh. But then again, bad things were starting to happen just prior to the eclipse over Nineveh too. Be ready now and at all times, repent and draw close to the Father.

Carol wrote:The date August 2030 comes up a lot in reference to comets, astroids, solar event and Nibiru. Perhaps it's the date that Deloras Canon referred to as to when the world would split where the new earth exists in the 5th dimension. I'll ask Dr. Greer about the other when I see him next.. however, we did purchase his recent DVD and book which has a lot of interesting details laid out.

NANUXII wrote:I like the information Greer puts out. It has a good balance of science and ether,

With regard to Dolores Canon and the " 5th Dimensional Shift " from what i have experienced that energy belt we humans call the 5th dimension is already here.  What is stopping us from accessing it is the energy of the planet.. or rather its inhabitants.

War and negativity anchor the planet and its inhabitants to their eventual energies.

If she predicts something around that time too then its possible a major event could happen to facilitate that energy belt. What that event is may liberate us from the negative forces that allay our ability to shift ... the negative anchor serves 2 purposes 1st is it retains retribution into this plane so that higher beings cannot take over. 2nd that energy affects everything around us and its ability to connect or rather integrate with better or denser vibrational energies.

Think about it ... have we not all accessed higher energies from time to time ? but the problem is we could not sustain it for long ?  well if thats so then its the effect of surrounding energy over taking your inner sun core strength.

Its like an arm wrestle .. you can resist it and sometimes put it back but it eventually over powers and wins till you rest and regroup. Even when you win you have to win every one to maintain that energy because there is an unlimited supply of negative energy on this planet.

This is why enlightened people live in country or remote areas. They feel the difference and prefer the better

Carol , do you have a link to that information ?  

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g6EQsdOkqU

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Bob, that last video was devastating. I'm becoming much less capable of analyzing and commenting on the crap happening on Earth. Who knows what is happening throughout the solar system?? There seems to be an exponential-escalation of everything dangerous and threatening to humanity. Humanity often seems to not-know and not-care, as long as their family remains upwardly-mobile and technologically-sophisticated. I sometimes wonder if the Gods and Goddesses who set this thing up in antiquity knew how devastating runaway-technology would be to a developing-race, and significantly-restricted information and technology, perhaps until this solar system was invaded and defeated by ancient-aliens in star-wars of ruthless-conquest. What if WE were (and are) those ancient-aliens?? What if WE will inflict upon ourselves the Horrors of the Book of Revelation (with no 'help' from God and the Angels)?? I might be reduced to watching scary-videos in quiet-desperation for the rest of my pathetic-life. I suspect that the horrors and destruction will multiply exponentially in the coming decades. How Many Fukushima-Level Events Would It Take to Exterminate Humanity??

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