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    Post  Guest Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:17 pm

    orthodoxymoron I had the same problem as you until I found this information about the laws of the cosmos and what we are supposed to be doing to be self-responsible and to understand what is a win-win situation and free will

    http://www.synocracy.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=59&Itemid=57

    These are the kind of principles you are not going to be taught in school or church but they will align you with god source and the civilizations that are resonating with that frequency

    It is not easy to practice these principles in this world but the more one endeavours to do so the easier it becomes

    Aligning with god source has the added value that it changes the spin of the DNA too so it is a tool for ascension

    There may be others that list this principles and explain how they work but I have not found them yet

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:40 pm

    How far should we take win-win? Should the economic model be communism, socialism, capitalism, or ?? Freedom seems to imply the freedom to do better than the next person - which might not be win-win. Did Lucifer compete with God? Is it wrong to compete with God? At what point should one unquestioningly submit and obey? Is rebellion an integral part of freedom? Does freedom equal anarchy? My solution is to focus on RESPONSIBILITY - which leads to appropriate levels of freedom, competition, cooperation, humility, pride, love, faith, doubt, positive thinking, negative thinking, and sovereignty. RESPONSIBILITY > RESPONSE ABILITY > POSITIVE RESPONSE ABILITY.
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    Post  Mercuriel Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:59 pm

    Don't get caught up on Win-Win semantics or front-load It too much. Launguage is so limited but what is meant by a Win-Win SITU with a Sovereign is that Negatives may be expressed if that is what those specific Individuals have focus'ed on.

    For instance - If Dark Ones Focus on Power over Others - Sovereigns should then act to ensure that any Free-will that the Darks have violated - Receives release if that is what They seek whereas in relation to the Dark pushing the Program - They would then be left alone to Contol each other - Also getting what They have focus'ed on - IE - Where Their Minds are at...

    You have it essentially - Become Fully responsible in order to Govern Oneself and One will then be Sovereign...

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    Post  Guest Mon Nov 22, 2010 2:05 pm

    orthodoxymoron wrote:How far should we take win-win? Should the economic model be communism, socialism, capitalism, or ?? Freedom seems to imply the freedom to do better than the next person - which might not be win-win. Did Lucifer compete with God? Is it wrong to compete with God? At what point should one unquestioningly submit and obey? Is rebellion an integral part of freedom? Does freedom equal anarchy? My solution is to focus on RESPONSIBILITY - which leads to appropriate levels of freedom, competition, cooperation, humility, pride, love, faith, doubt, positive thinking, negative thinking, and sovereignty. RESPONSIBILITY > RESPONSE ABILITY > POSITIVE RESPONSE ABILITY.

    Win-win has to be the best possible solution for all involved, it is unlikely that will happen in this planet as a whole because there is a mix of consciousness but, we can apply it to our immediate environment

    Lucifer can not compete with God Source because God Source as consciousness is so much bigger than Lucifer

    God does not compete, it does not have to. When you have it all and can create it all why will you compete?

    No one is asked to obey in a free will system, aligning with frequencies is what we do second by second. Some frequencies are enhancing and make us more whole others bring death to the body and eventually self-destruction

    Rebellion to what? When we rebel we disown our own creations, all that is around us is the product of our present frequency and hence a perfect response from consciousness. The way of changing reality is by changing our frequency to the direction we desire to create. It is not easy to understand this but thoughts are things and if we direct our thoughts honestly towards what we want we are more likely to manifest it than not. It is not simple because there is a collective creation too but the more we focus the energy the more things change in our immediate environment. The way to get things fast is by being grateful because all creations are co-creations. We are the architects but the elementals are the builders and so it takes two to tango Very Happy hence being grateful helps

    Freedom is a state of mind, like joy or love. We feel free regardless of our outside circumstances and circumstances respond to our personal frequency too progressively

    Self responsibility is a good choice that leads us into self-love and many other wonderous ponderings

    The link that I mentioned contain very clear guidelines that can assist into learning how to co-create with the cosmos


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:12 pm

    RESPONSIBILITY > SELF-CONTROL > SOVEREIGNTY > FREEDOM

    "Most people do not really want freedom, because freedom involves responsibility, and most people are frightened of responsibility." -- Sigmund Freud

    The Andromedan Perspective Regarding the Future of Humanity is "Responsible Freedom of Self Determination...Becoming Truly Self Confident and Free...to Unconditionally be Responsible for Oneself...Without Being Coerced to Accept Some Higher Authority." -- related by Alex Collier

    "We the People of Earth have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves, and for future generations...a True World Order. A world where Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...not the Old World Disorder Demonic Theocracy...governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful...and we will be...we have a real chance at this True World Order...an order in which a credible United Nations can use Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom to fulfill the promise and vision of All Races." -- my rewrite of part of a New World Order speech by George H. W. Bush

    "Like it or not, eveything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man...or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active, or abdicate...the future is in your hands." -- William Cooper

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:56 pm

    Danger! Danger! Will Robinson! Danger! This will be one of the most bizarre posts I have ever made. This is merely a brainstorm. Here goes.

    1. Combine the St. Mary's Cathedral Roman Catholic Church (San Francisco, CA) congregation with the Grace Cathedral Episcopal Church (San Francisco, CA) congregation - at Grace Cathedral. Hold separate Roman Catholic and Episcopal services - as well as joint non-sacrificial, non-penetential Ecumenical Namste Latin Mass services - while maintaining separate administrations and leadership.

    2. Deconsecrate St. Mary's Cathedral - and convert it into the new headquarters for a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System aka The United States of the Solar System. I believe the seating capacity is around 2,500 - so with 10,000 representatives - one in four would attend meetings - while the others would participate electronically - for logistical and security purposes. The United Nations was born in San Francisco - so why not hatch the new Solar System here as well?!

    3. Finish Grace Cathedral - ceiling, additional parking, etc. Replace the 1974 Casavant addition to the G. Donald Harrison, Aeolian Skinner pipe-organ with the four manual Reiger pipe-organ (French Romantic tonal design) from Pacific Union College (Angwin, CA) - and move the Casavant to P.U.C. - giving A.D.R.A. a generous ten million dollar donation - cover all moving and installation costs - and donate two million dollars to a needy-student fund at P.U.C. Don't get mad at me! Remember - this is just a brainstorm.

    There's a lot more to my proposal than one might think. St. Mary's Cathedral is really cool - but it doesn't really look like, or feel like, a church. Grace Cathedral looks and feels like a church - in the Roman Catholic and Anglican tradition. Consolidation of expenses would result in HUGE savings to both congregations. This would also be an experiment in ecumenism. I knew a ship captain, who as a young Roman Catholic student - interviewed Bishop James Pike - at Grace Cathedral. The Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System idea would be an experiment, as well. It would start out without a lot of authority - as sort of a dry-run, to get things up and running - and then when it was properly primed - it would go live. The organ transplant would make so much sense. A Stanford DMA organist gave me the idea. We are both tracker-backers. I think Angela is too! The P.U.C. organ is magnificent - but the building sucks! Plus, the organ sticks out like an erected organ - visually, and with reference to the original mission of the SDA church. There's a time and a place for everything. I worry about corrupt and cruel centralized secular and sacred leadership - but I really do seek the right kind of unity - without peace at any price. I love the artistic aspects of the traditional church - but theologically and politically, I think we need to move on.

    What would Harriet Crocker Alexander say? What would Monseigneur Bowe say? What would Pope John Paul I say? What would Mother Teresa say? What would the Queen of Heaven say? What would Ellen White say? What would SaLuSa say? What would Monka do? What would Jesus do?

    Any questions?


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:29 am

    I would really like to know if anyone has taken a close look at this thread - or any of the other threads I have posted. I really and truly don't know how close to the mark they have been. I also don't know how mentally ill I really am. I would love to see any alphabet agency type of work on this material - but I really doubt if they really give a rat's patootie about what I post or don't post - because very few people read it - and even fewer people actually think about it. And I won't be a public crusader for something I really am not 100% confident about. I don't know what kind of beings exist in this solar system. I don't even really know what kind of being I am, or we are. What I am speculating about, and proposing, might turn out to be a complete disaster. Once again - I am trying to know as much of what the elites know, as possible - and then attempt to be an unofficial elite type of person, who is non-corrupt, and who isn't into all of the satanic Bohemian Grove and Masonic Temple ritual cr@p. I don't think the elites really like this BS - but that's just the way business is done in this stupid solar system. I have not tried to be politically correct or popular. I'm just trying to think out loud regarding what kind of a proper church/state situation should exist in this solar system. One cannot leave the church out of this equation. Nothing short of a complete reformation of all churches and governments - to become completely in harmony with the concept of RESPONSIBILITY - will result in the last, great, true renaissance which will bring peace to the world, and to the solar system. What would Albert Schweitzer say?

    The whole fringe world is bizarre to begin with - but I suspect that some of it is real - and the further down the snake-hole I go - the more I can understand why the PTB keep the sheep in a little dreamworld. But a very rude awakening is in the process of occurring. I'm in favor of a proper disclosure - but obviously, the whole thing will be a big mess. Perhaps in a hundred years, things will start to calm down and make sense. I'm not expecting things to dramatically improve, anytime soon - even if people really start to do the right thing. The madness has too much momentum. What if all of us are ET's - spiritually and soul-wise? What if all of our souls are basically the same - whether we be humans, hybrids, reptilians, greys - or whatever humanoid beings there might be - throughout the universe? What if all of us are hybrids - with various percentage differentials of human/reptile or human/whatever? What if 'star-wars' are really 'soul-wars' - using various types of hybrid super-soldiers and advanced technology? What if we are the Orion-Group which Alex Collier speaks of? What if the 600,000 year human vs reptilian war was really an ideological battle - utilizing various types of hybrids and advanced technology? Once again - why can't this solar system become a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System aka The United States of the Solar System - based upon Responsibility and the U.S. Constitution - with 10,000 highly competent and non corrupt representatives from throughout the solar system - with complete openness and transparency? Some of the biggest questions for me are 1. What is the true origin, nature, and destiny of the soul? 2. What was the Original Sin? 3. What is the solution to the Sin Problem? 4. Whatever Happened to Sin? 5. What would Karl Menninger say? Once again - I really don't know what's really going on in this world, this solar system, this galaxy, or this universe. If I did - my questions and conclusions might be completely different. I can't see properly. I can't think properly. I'm miserable, sick, and tired - and I sense that the problems are worse than even I can imagine - and that proper solutions will not be implemented anytime soon. But why be so negative? It's Thanksgiving!! Very Happy
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    Post  Raven Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:56 am

    [quote="orthodoxymoron"]I would really like to know if anyone has taken a close look at this thread - or any of the other threads I have posted.


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    Post  Raven Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:07 am

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    Behold, oh beloved Mother Earth, you shall no longer be in twain.
    Your children by father sky have gathered to end your enduring pain.
    To heal your body in matter, joined to the love in your mind.
    A new family you have nourished to become caring, gentle and kind.

    Can you hear the movement up high in the heavens above?
    New trumpets are sounding, sending peace on the wings of a dove.
    The angels of the dark have found their maidens of Light's delight;
    in harmony together, they are entwining each other so tight.

    What peace is this? As above, so below and a true Love!
    Knowingly agreeable the netherworld has become and so suave.
    Redeemed are the darkness and the light as the ancient prototype,
    for all loves to follow, when the seeded fruits are ripe.

    Oh come home to Eden, all you Lucifers~ sons of the stars.
    All you Adams find your Luciferas, your Eves, end all the wars.
    Where are you Mars? Venus~Aphrodite come forth, be seen!
    Let your passions be two, in mind and in body, be ever so keen.

    New worlds are born in the joining of two bodies in One.
    God and Goddess together, just as every moon must have a sun.
    Its the end of the mystery, the closing of a night so dark.
    The dogs of Sirius are barking and announcing a new journey to embark.



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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:04 pm



    Did I hit a nerve? And you were so nice yesterday. Come-on Raven - SMILE! sunny After all - It's Thanksgiving! sunny

    Has anyone done a study of 'The King of Heaven (Father/Gabriel/ Amen Ra?) and Queen of Heaven (Mother/ Hathor/Isis/Mary/Lucifer/ Holy Spirit?) - and the Heir to the Throne (Horus/Michael/Jesus?)' concept? I just thought of that! This could be applied in so many situations - terrestrial, extraterrestrial, mythological, theological, astrological, dynastic, etc. - with a high likelihood of overlap. I reread those abraxasinas posts - and I still think of abraxasinas - or the spirit behind abraxasinas - as being more feminine than masculine. I keep thinking of Adria or Katesh in Stargate SG-1. This part caught my attention:

    Q: Who is the God or Goddess of This World?

    A: The Father and Mother, cosmically not biologically speaking of Jesus.

    Q: Has corruption and sanity been a problem for this being?

    A: Nope.

    Q: Are Satan and Lucifer two separate and distinct beings?

    A: Yes, Satan is the true manifestation of a fake image, called the Devil. Satan is the 'court prosecutor' of 'humanity' and Lucifer is the template for this collective humanity being prosecuted by Satan. Satan is the 'Kali' of Shakti as two sides of the one coin called God. Satan is God and you are Lucifer in individuality. You can either 'play' a Christ White Lucifer look LUCIFER=74=JESUS=MESSIAH=CROSS=...or you can play a Dark Lucifer as an absorber of the 'brought' light.

    Q: Is there...or has there ever been...a God who was higher than Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer?

    A: Yes, this is the 1st Order of Abraxas aka Abrasax as the polarity unexpressed BUT contained within, like the Dark White Lucifers as One or as Satan God as One.

    Q: If so...was this God destroyed in the War in Heaven?

    A: No, this 1st Order is omniness and above such polarity issues as a war in heaven on earth or otherplace.

    Q: Is Satan one of these three?

    A: Satan is 1st Order, the archangels are 2nd order.

    Q: If so...which one? Did Lucifer instruct Charles Darwin?

    A: Ask Charles Darwin.

    Q: Would Human sovereignty in this Solar System be a good thing?

    A: Not yet, later perhaps.

    Q: Is a theocracy a good or a bad thing?

    A: Your polarity issue.

    Q: Is Responsible Freedom fundamentally rebellious in nature?

    A: No

    I'm beginning to think that I'm in trouble with BOTH the God of This World AND the Creator God of the Universe. Sort of like when a police officer tries to break up a domestic dispute - and gets pounded by both parties - even though he or she is trying to help both parties. I have a very bad and sick feeling regarding what might be going on in the entire universe. I so hope that I'm wrong. Is the following a harbinger of things to come?

    I received the following responses from posts I have made on the internet. They don't sound human.

    'Y'all love fantisizing over my ancestral decorations, places, spirituality that you don't get, the greatness you won't achieve, and the melanin you'll never have. This depiction of my ancestors is pathetic. Y'all always make them look just as degenerative and recessive as you. Anyway, play and have fun as much as you still can. Yes you are running out of time, and to be honest, there is absolutly nothing you can do about it. I have no mercy, you lie and mock and blaspheme all the way to hell.'

    abraxasinas: Very human egocentricity orthodoxus.

    On another website...I received this message:

    'You know this isn't funny! The Lord God will judge you for claiming God ship. Just because God showed you a little bit of His secrets you think you know everything. He will NOT have mercy on you!' [orthodoxymoron note: This was in connection with me fictionally using the name KRLLL - causing me to wonder if someone equated Godship with the name 'Omnipotent Highness KRLLL'?]

    abraxasinas: Very human ego mimicking the divine ego of God (who does not judge and is always full of 'mercy').

    I once heard a mocking, sing-song, high-pitched feminine sounding voice...emanating from a usually deep and masculine voiced televangelist...directed toward me...in public...almost shouting 'That was gooooooood!!!!'...in reaction to a polite, well intentioned, and well reasoned comment by me.

    abraxasinas: Even more so human ego-based, accentuating separation and not the natural unity of God.

    This was a short unedited internet exchange I had some time ago:

    ME: What if the aliens who have been here for thousands of years are the 'bad-guys'? What if we will need the help of good aliens from elsewhere to get rid of the demonic aliens who are already here? Could this be viewed as a hostile alien attack? I really don't know. I am just speculating.

    THEM: Try not to think in terms of good or bad. Understand this is not your planet. Then, understand nothing can be done to you that you don't do to yourself. Know that there are quadrillions of planets and they don't have a massive climate change every 26,000 years and violent deranged people like yourselves. Why on Earth would any race want to live here with you knowingly? The most intelligent life on the planet is not human.

    abraxasinas: This is basically true, but omits the 'inner human core' whch IS in fact the most intelligent cosmic lifeform (the planet belongs to All) - yet remains hidden in the superconsciousness ONLY accessible by the Individual Logos partnering the Cosmic Logos.

    ME: I'll try not to think of the Iraq War in terms of good or bad. I'll try to be morally ambiguous. I might even become CIA or a CEO. Hey, maybe violent and deranged is neither good nor bad...but thinking makes it so. The aliens who are here need us to not get our acts together. If that happens...they'll probably have to live on Nibiru...or worse. Sorry for being a smart-XXX. Wait...I'm not sorry...it's neither good nor bad. I couldn't resist. I mean well. Really.

    THEM: And your point was?...............

    ME: Who owns earth? Where do humans belong? What is the most intelligent life on earth? If they are so smart, and earth is so bad...why are they here? I may be deranged...but I'm not violent. You sound as though you are not human...are you an alien? If so...what kind...and from where? My point was that ethics are supremely important. I don't hurt, kill, terrorize, or abduct people...but some aliens apparently do(as do some humans). They should stop.

    orthodoxymoron wrote:

    "I was serious when I said that I hoped that this activity was being duly noted somewhere in the galaxy. I fear that we are headed down the wrong road, and that we will not turn back, regardless of the warnings, and regardless of the rantings and ravings of lunatics such as myself. I really wish that I had a shallow underground civilian base to go down into. At this point - I am ready to go down - and stay down - for a long, long time."

    Raven wrote:

    "Indeed Oxy, duly noted it is. You will not be alone hiding under those rocks." - Rev.6 KJV

    [12] And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
    [13] And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
    [14] And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
    [15] And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
    [16] And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
    [17] For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


    I REALLY CAN'T FEEL THE LOVE TONIGHT. CAN YOU?
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:57 pm

    What if The United States of the Solar System became a reality on December 21, 2012? What would we do with the nukes, neutron bombs, chemical and biological weapons, secret space program, underground bases, magneto-leviton trains, secret genetics labs, hybrid super-soldiers, antigravity craft, secret weapons of all kinds, etc? It would be so much easier if none of this cr@p existed. Some of this is really cool - and some of it is horrific - if the various reports can be believed. Obviously - if the universe is a harsh and dangerous place - we would need to defend ourselves - but how would we prevent rogues from becomming raiders of the found ark? I'm not into nationalism or uber-alles. Just the opposite. I'm tending to think that all of the above is presently controlled by the secret government - rather than by the various nations. So - the short answer - at this point - is that the infrastructure should remain intact - but that the 10,000 representatives would make the decisions regarding what to do with all of this madness. Obviously - this is not my area of expertise. I don't have an area of expertise. My preference is that none of the dangerous and creepy bs should exist. Period. But I don't know the truth of the matter - and I still don't know the implications and ramifications of stealing fire from the gods. BTW, Raven, I don't hate you - and even if you make 1,000 posts swearing at me, and exposing what an irresponsible, self-inflated, ignoramus I really am - I still won't hate you. You could never hate me as much as I already hate myself and my non-existant track-record. I'll just keep brainstorming and being a smart@$$ (dumb@$$?) until the day I die (which might not be too far distant if I keep up this sort of posting). Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System Without End. Amen Ra. This is not an invocation - but I suspect that Amen Ra (or equivalent) would have to sign-off on something like this, before it (or something similar) could become a reality. Once again - this whole thread is a test. This is only a test. I just want the historical corruption and carnage to stop - and for this solar system to genuinely become a Paradise or Heaven. The details will have to be worked out by those who are far more capable than myself. I'm just trying to understand and adapt. Perhaps someone else can learn something from my stumblings and stammerings. Namaste.
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    Post  Raven Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:52 pm

    Watch this very carefully Oxy. Infact watch it several times, maybe it will sink in. I keep offering you the Red Pill and you keep choosing the Blue one. I do not hate you, just the bull$hiT you stand for and allow to blind you to the Truth.






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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:05 am

    Thank-you Raven. Is respecting the divinity within humanity a bad thing? Is a proper constitution a bad thing? Is irresponsibility better than responsibility? Is slavery better than freedom? I really do want the truth - even if I don't like what I find. I will carefully consider everything you post. Namaste.
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    Post  Brook Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:50 am

    I would really like to know if anyone has taken a close look at this thread - or any of the other threads I have posted.

    Barely,as its full of nothing but egotestical puritanical rantings from a completely ignorant fool, who would rather spend hours typing endless bathering bullshit out of his incessant mouth, and listening to his own"higher" ego then the True higher ego of the Divine.

    No comment, but if one reads your bullshit enough,one gets an idea as to the degree and level of how deep your rabbit hole goes. Mostly the hole leads right up your XXX.


    Oh bullshit oxy, you LOVE this XXXX, its all you talk about and point people in the direction of it!! Get over yourself already. You are an incredibly ignornant Xxxxx hiding behind a false puritanical skirt, who needs to grow some balls and accept his own self responsibility. Law of attraction baby, what you dish out will be in kind served back to you. Your so called sincere search is nothing but your own whining out loud,hoping for some small platitude from anyone taking the time to read your vomit.


    Has someone got their panties in a bunch? Oh wait....it must be that "True higher ego of the divine" speaking".
    Self Governance comes from knowing and understanding the Divine...............I'll bet that venom comes from one of those "aspects", or "archetypes"


    Divine understand? not so certain about that........ but non the less, "enlightening" words Raven.


    Truly sent with love
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:06 pm

    I really was not angered or offended by Raven's rant - and I actually agreed with a lot of it. I have been doing a lot of Queen of Heaven speculating and needling - and I expected that sort of thing sooner or later. I suspect that there might have been some angry swearing at the tail end of the abraxasinas Q&A. I suspected it at the time. I'm not exactly sure why - but I did. If I ever am face to face with the Queen of Heaven - I expect that I will feel about half an inch high - and that my multitude of inadequacies will become painfully obvious. I would really like to get into a genuine knock-down drag-out word-war with the Queen of Heaven - but only on the computer. In real-life - face to face - I would absolutely melt into nothingness and incoherence. I have not really gotten into a proper debate with anyone in my life. I have to do that sort of thing in my imagination. Who knows, Raven could be the Queen of Heaven, or at least a good sparring-partner, to help me prepare for the main-event! Has anyone really deeply thought about what a real-life 'Anna' might be like? Has anyone deeply thought about how to properly communicate with a real-life Anna? I'm working on it - but it's not going very well.


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    Post  Carol Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:15 pm

    What do you want me to do Oxy? Unban her so the two of you can go at it? Her posting all that porn was over the top and she was insulting to another member... way insulting.


    Some have expressed I leave what she posted. I saved a few posts in the admin section but all the porn I deleted along with some of the more offensive posts. Disagreement is fine but how one disagrees plays an important role here. Posting porn to make a point isn't it.


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    Post  Brook Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:16 pm

    orthodoxymoron wrote:I really was not angered or offended by Raven's rant - and I actually agreed with a lot of it. I have been doing a lot of Queen of Heaven speculating and needling - and I expected that sort of thing sooner or later. If I ever am face to face with the Queen of Heaven - I expect that I will feel about half an inch high - and that my multitude of inadequacies will become painfully obvious. I would really like to get into a genuine knock-down drag-out word-war with the Queen of Heaven - but only on the computer. In real-life, face to face, I would absolutely melt into nothingness and incoherence. I have not really gotten into a proper debate with anyone in my life. I have to do that sort of thing in my imagination.

    Rant is right! And you were right to expect just that.


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    Post  Carol Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:22 pm

    Oxy, you may not have been offended but I and others were. And I made it very clear earlier if something is posted (with respect to porn pics) if it offends me, I will delete it. I could have left some of the other pics up but was so pissed off by that time I got a bit carried away and deleted them.

    I'm sure Raven has copies of the links somewhere.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:27 pm

    I don't really care. Whatever works for everyone is fine with me. I'm just a guest here anyway.
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    Post  Carol Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:36 pm

    Oxy, you are a gentleman. And a member of this family - not just a guest. cheers

    We can't allow the posting of porn and an ongoing relentless attack of another member to go without consequences.

    Currently she is banned for 100 days. The other admins and I will discuss this as it is important to include others input. This forum belong to the members. They can share their opinions as well.


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    Post  Lionhawk Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:36 pm

    I sense a storm brewing in this thread. Not because of anything that Mercuriel or ODM has posted. But once that Thuban ooze seeps into any place, nothing good comes from it. I've seen the exchanges on that one.

    Fact of the matter is that once you do the work within, you will embrace your sovereignty and won't need a philosophy that originated outside of yourself. So for someone to say to go within and still be preaching from a Thuban pedestal is just simply hypocritical.

    One shoe doesn't fit all here. Much of it depends on the individual. To take a paint brush and consider everyone to be the same is an insane perspective. If you have to be guided by a philosophy so you can function, means you have already been compromised.

    And if you quote Jesus and never even met him, just goes to show you how really connected you are. Operating from a second hand perspective is second hand no matter how you slice it.

    And if I had to choose between ODM's constitution and the Thubans rhetoric, I would go with ODMs' and would work my arce off to make it happen. At least he embraces and invites everyone to the table. Instead of you being served up at a Thuban table.

    I throw caution to the wind at this moment. And whoever is listening in the background, just know I am still breathing and my memory is like an elephant. The exchange will not go in your favor this time around. This is not a threat but a promise. Thanks for the convincing exchange you provided last time. You will reap the wrath that you have sown and I will gladly deliver it.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:00 pm

    There almost needs to be a debating site - with various levels of acceptable material - various levels of moderating - and various audiences. One never knows who is wandering in and out of this site - and how sensitive they might be. I would even be game for working with various beings in underground bases - who might be very abusive and angry. I still wish to be inclusive regarding the evolution of this solar system - and incarceration and education might be necessary for literally millions of beings - human and otherwise - for the protection of themselves and others. But I am not a damn them to hell type of person. Not yet, anyway.
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    Post  Brook Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:07 pm

    orthodoxymoron wrote:There almost needs to be a debating site - with various levels of acceptable material - various levels of moderating - and various audiences. One never knows who is wandering in and out of this site - and how sensitive they might be. I would even be game for working with various beings in underground bases - who might be very abusive and angry. I still wish to be inclusive regarding the evolution of this solar system - and incarceration and education might be necessary for literally millions of beings - human and otherwise - for the protection of themselves and others. But I am not a damn them to hell type of person. Not yet, anyway.

    I think they damn themselves to hell when their mission is "Blocking Gods view of Satan"

    No one else would be able to do that but themselves.
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    Post  Carol Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:18 pm

    I agree with Brook on this one Oxy. Everybody evolves. It just depends where they are on the ladder. You're the man standing there reaching down offering hand to those nearby which is a good thing. But those who turn their back on god end up creating distance of their own making between the Divine and the hell realms. The hell realms are a place of darkness because these souls have taken themselves further into the hinderlands away from the light. Eventually, they too, according to Hindu philosophy - will continue to reincarnate until they move back into the light and are reabsorbed into source (singularity).

    What gives me hope is that the galactic wave... this major increase in cosmic gamma rays will infuse all on the planet and alter DNA and consciousness. It is an evolutionary step toward the light. And at that moment, individuals will have the opportunity to choose which path they will move towards.. to choose with consciousness. Those who cannot forgive themselves and are ashamed will sink. Those who seek singularity will rise. And all continue to evolve.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:17 pm

    As long as this is a non-violent and all-inclusive evolution - I am ok with it. I just have huge problems with crusades, inquisitions, purges, wars, torture, enslavement, etc. If some souls have to go to jail/school from time to time - so be it - as long as they are treated with kindness, dignity, and respect. I continue to be mystified by the whole subject of 'sacred people'. I continue to wonder about the subject of Responsibility - historically and presently - and I especially wonder which sacred people and sacred texts have properly promoted Responsibility. I continue to be interested in the Goddess Concept - in both positive and negative ways. Could a Goddess potentially be genius/pure/idealistic/kind and insane/corrupt/reprobate/cruel at the same time? Sort of a Dr. Jekyll and Ms. Hyde? Once again - consider Anna in 'V' - and then do some extrapolation and filling in the blanks. When one contemplates the stratosphere of leadership - things might become very strange. If someone had been ruling Earth for thousands of years - knew everything about everything - had complete reincarnational recall - a 500 IQ - the equivalent of 100 PhD's - had been involved in unthinkable battles, atrocities, and power struggles, etc, etc, etc - what might they be like?

    I continue to be primarily interested in who really owns and operates this solar system. Who are the major players - and what are their agendas? I keep thinking that an agressive pursuit of a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System aka The United States of the Solar System - will reveal a lot of hidden secrets - some good and some bad. I don't think that Raven is the only one who is really angry at my pseudo-intellectual whining. I'm a shelluva guy - and those who follow are going to be the real contenders - not me. The various threads are just vague outlines and areas to ransack. I am committed to the perfection of the human race and the perfection of this solar system - which includes endless reincarnation back into physicality - in this solar system. I will continue to be interested in the positive and non-violent uses of underground bases and advanced technology - for all races. I am not an uber-alles nationalist elitist. I desire the highest ethical standards - in the context of minimalist politics and religion. Here is a modification of a previously stated pursuit. Try reading 'The Desire of Ages' and 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen G. White - 'The Federalist Papers' and 'The Anti-Federalist Papers' - while listening to Latin Masses and Classical Sacred Music. There is probably a snowballs chance in hell that anyone will actually do this - but I will be doing this in the coming months. I really am on a road less travelled - or really a road not travelled at all. I'm very pessimistic, at this point. I'm sensing a violent near-future. I don't think it has to be this way - but I think that the most powerful players in the solar sytem are not on the same page I am on. I don't think they are even in the same book. But I expect that the basic concepts which I have embraced, will rise from the ashes of a disastrous power struggle for control of the New World Order - and that they will be the new modus operandi of a brave new solar system.

    I guess I like the idea of highly ethical order and refinement, both within and without. I simply wish for this solar system to operate properly and responsibly. I wish for all races to share in this. I suspect that both internal and external responsibility will be necessary. Ideally, everyone just loves each other and sings kumbaya - but realistically, there will probably always be problem children, and some sort of organization and discipline will always be necessary. At some point, will all weaponry be eliminated? Perhaps. But what if a hostile UFO fleet shows up after we have eliminated all weaponry, and are completely docile and defenseless? The Native American Indians were very spiritually advanced - but then the Europeans decimated them, and stole what was rightfully theirs. North America should have probably been shared with all people - but not forcefully taken over like it was. I'll continue to look for a highly ethical and highly spiritual minimalist church/state solution to solar system governance. Organized decentralism continues to sound good to me. Do we need a non-racist and non-violent Gizeh Intelligence solution? I don't know enough about Gizeh Intelligence to answer that. Everything is always such a big #$%^& secret. I like the idea of highly, highly intelligent, refined, and ethical people - governing the solar system. I like the idea of 10,000 people of all nations and races doing this. But would this result in more confusion and fighting? If the group is too small and exclusive, it's no good. If the group is too big and inclusive, it's probably no good either. So what is the proper mix? How do you really properly manage all manner of advanced technology? How do you prevent rogues from creating chaos and destruction? How do you prevent one group or faction from taking over? Will this solar system always be a violent and stupid insane asylum? Is this solar system the epitome of stupidity? In a sense - a benevolent dictator probably is the most efficient and effective form of governance - but what happens when the benevolent dictator becomes an arrogant and insane tyrant???? What would Raven say?


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