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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:47 pm

    quote=burgundia;159361]Maybe somewhere in the Solar system they have a better constitution. Why not ask first?:winksmiley02:[/quote]

    Is anyone aware of a better constitution which has been in use for at least a couple of centuries? Can you provide a link? I highly suspect that alien races monitor this site...and possibly comment. I'm not trying to be arrogant. This is completely new territory to me. I'm simply exploring a distant and mythical land. Everything seems to be changing...and up for grabs. I'm sort of a rebel without a clue.

    I welcome all alternative constitutions which have a significant history, and widespread application...so as to be able to evaluate the effectiveness of the document in real world and real universe conditions. This invitation also applies to alternatives to the United Nations Charter...which the slightly modified United States Constitution is intended to replace.

    I'm simply trying to think in non-nationalistic, non-protectionistic, all-inclusive terms. Do we want a New World Order and Secret(or Open) Alien Rule of Earth? Some say this constitutes a Theocracy. Is this what we want? Can a Theocracy be anything but Tyrannical? Can a Tyranny be anything but Corrupt? Are there exceptions to the concept that Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely? My guess is that a Constitutional Alternative to a Universal Church would have to apply to the entire solar system...at least. I guess this would be an attempt to get the Secret Space Program and Deep Underground Military Bases (throughout the solar system?) under control...and to attempt to prevent a solar system wide Battle of Armageddon...which could potentially destroy most...if not all...life in the solar system. There seems to be evidence of very ancient and very catastophic battles in this solar system. I suspect some very bitter feelings and very bad blood among the various races...going back a long, long time. If true...this may be very difficult to overcome.

    This is all obviously hypothetical...and without insider information and/or governmental disclosure...would be impossible to prove. I'm just considering possibilities...and I recongnize the limitations of doing so.

    If we don't learn from history...we are doomed. I prefer a proven foundation...rather than an unproven foundation. The United States of America and the U.S. Constitution...were an attempt to escape the tyranny and persecution of Royalty and Theocracy. The object was to give the power to the people. Starting from scratch...at this point...would probably result in anarchy...which would probably result in tyranny. If malevolent human and alien tyrants were removed...and constitutional governance instituted...the corrupted and fearful followers would probably become good beings in a free society.

    I'm not sure that the Powers That Be in Orion and Draco (and elsewhere or elsewhen?) see it this way...but they would probably have to reluctantly, grudgingly, and possibly angrily...agree to such an arrangement...or it would be a non-starter. I don't think that these beings are necessarily evil...but I think that they have a huge amount of negative baggage. We might have to make this thing work...and in a few thousand(or million) years...they may decide to come on board as well. Just conjecture.

    Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom liberates the divine within the human (and within the reptilian and grey?) to reach unimaginable heights. The U.S. Constitution is a NOW document. Decisions regarding current issues are based on the best available information and thinking...NOW. The Power of NOW. A Theocracy does just the opposite. Especially a corrupt Theocracy. And by my definition, at least...a Theocracy is Always Corrupt. What do you think...Lucifer? Are you the kingpin...or are you caught in the middle? What's it going to take to make this work? I want your advice...but not your orders. And I won't bow down and worship you!

    Thank-you for these reasonable suggestions. I'll have to think about them. I'm not an expert on any of this. Did you spontaneously think of these modifications...or have you had these in mind for some time? This whole thread is just an experiment. It's as much about modifying my thinking...as it is about attempting to modify anyone elses.

    I especially liked the first part:

    'Owing to the increased longevity of Beings in the United Worlds, Representatives should serve a One-time term of 10-years, and Senators should serve a One-time term of 20-years. By this, we also remove the costly and discordant "re-election campaigns." Those so elected may be subject to re-call by the Electorate for non-performance or malfeasants. All elections shall be by DIRECT VOTE of the Electorate by simple majority with no intervening Electoral college or similar.'

    If each region was internally under a local version of the solar system constitution...a continuity from local to solar system governance would be more seamless. The military and militia references in the Constitution...as is...would seem to take care of the military matter. To me...modifications are welcome...but pretty soon you can end up with a document which bears little resemblance to the original...is vastly inferior...and which no one can agree on. Then we're back in Tyranny Territory.

    If the electorate were electronically connected to the elected...and communicated constantly on all issues...the will of well informed and responsible beings...would more likely be instituted. Elections would be relatively cheap...if limited to internet campaigning and debating. One 10 year term for all offices sounds good to me. But again...I'd prefer to leave the original Constitution in as much of it's original form as possible. The original terms would probably work fine...and would provide for a more constant rotation of power. It seems that a good being becomes a bad being very quickly when they gain a little power and recognition. They are at their best when they first decide to seek office. It's all downhill from there...

    How about 5 year terms for the Reps...and 10 year terms for the Greys? :lol3: Now the Reps are going to eat me. Please don't eat us. I hear that they have some really good Organic VeggieHuman at the Whole Foods in the Deep Underground Military Base Commissaries. We need to really have a serious conversation regarding abductions, human sacrifices, eating humans, etc. I hope that most of this is BS...but I'm afraid that it may be much worse than we have been told.

    Is the division of territories into States rather than Worlds (or even Countries) significant? I think it is. Numerous States provide for a systematic and orderly decentalization. There might be a thousand States throughout the Solar System. If each of these States had independent militias/armies/uforces...it would be very difficult to impose Tyranny. If a significant outside threat arose...these independent forces would undoubtedly unite to oppose the outside threat. An outer perimeter uforce would be financed by the United States of the Solar System...and would defend against any external invasion of the Solar System...but would not be used to crack down on member States.

    I'm going to attempt to stay as close as possible to the proposal in the first post. It may turn out to be a losing battle...but I'm going to give it a bloody go. Don't take it personally when I do this. I'm appreciative of all suggestions and observations. I guess I'm trying to be a Minimalist Fundamentalist.

    Here is something from the 1916 Congressional Record http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/verona.htm which is worth considering:

    Senator Owen: I wish to put in the Record the secret treaty of Verona of November 22, 1822, showing what this ancient conflict is between the rule of the few and the rule of the many. I wish to call the attention of the Senate to this treaty because it is the threat of this treaty which was the basis of the Monroe doctrine. It throws a powerful white light upon the conflict between monarchical government and government by the people. The Holy Alliance under the influence of Metternich, the Premier of Austria, in 1822, issued this remarkable secret document:

    SECRET TREATY OF VERONA
    AMERICAN DIPLOMATIC CODE, 1778-1884, vol. 2; Elliott, p. 179.
    The undersigned, specially authorized to make some additions to the treaty of the Holy Alliance, after having exchanged their respective credentials, have agreed as follows:

    ARTICLE 1. The high contracting powers, being convinced that the system of representative government is equally as incompatible with the monarchical principles as the maxim of the sovereignty of the people with the divine right, engage mutually, in the most solemn manner, to use all that their efforts to put an end to the system of representative governments, in whatever county it may exist in Europe, and to prevent it being introduced in those countries where it is not yet known.

    ARTICLE 2. As it can not be doubted that the liberty of the press is the most powerful means used by the pretended supporters of the rights of nations to the detriment of those of princes, the high contracting parties promise reciprocally to adopt all proper measures to suppress it, not only in their own States but also in the rest of Europe.

    ARTICLE 3. Convinced that the principles of religion contribute most powerfully to keep nations in the state of passive obedience which they owe to their princes, the high contracting parties declare it to be their intention to sustain in their respective States those measures which clergy may adopt, with the aim of ameliorating their own interests, intimately connected with the preservation of the authority of the princes and the contracting powers join in offering their thanks to the Pope for what he has already done for them, and solicit his constant cooperation in their views of submitting the nations.

    ARTICLE 4. The situation of Spain and Portugal unite unhappily all the circumstances to which this treaty has particular reference. The contracting parties, in confiding to France the care of putting an end to them, engaged to assist her in the matter which may the least compromit (sic) them with their own people and the people of France by means of a subsidy on the part of the two empires of 20,000,000 of francs every year from the date of the signature of this treaty to the end of the war.

    ARTICLE 5. In order to establish in the Peninsula in the order of things which existed before the revolution of Cadiz, and to insure the entire execution of the articles of the present treaty, the high contracting parties give to each other the reciprocal assurance that as long as their views are not fulfilled, rejecting all other ideas of utility or other measure to be taken, they will address themselves with the shortest possible delay to all the authorities existing in their States and to all their agents in foreign countries, with the view to establish connections tending toward the accomplishment of the objects proposed by this treaty.

    ARTICLE 6. This treaty shall be renewed with such changes as new circumstances may give occasion for, either at a new congress or at the court of one of the contracting parties, as soon as the war with Spain shall be terminated.

    ARTICLE 7. The present treaty shall be ratified and the ratifications exchanged at Paris within the space of six months.

    Made at Verona the 22nd November, 1822.
    for Austria: METTERNICH
    for France: CHATEAUBRIAND
    for Prussia: BERNSTET
    for Russia: NESSELRODE

    I ask to have printed in the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD this secret treaty, because I think it ought to be called now to the attention of the people of the United States and of the world. This evidence of the conflict between the rule of the few verses popular government should be emphasized on the minds of the people of the United States, that the conflict now waging throughout the world may be more clearly understood, for after all said the great pending war springs from the weakness and frailty of government by the few, where human error is far more probable than the error of the many where aggressive war is only permitted upon the authorizing vote of those whose lives are jeopardized in the trenches of modern war.

    Mr. SHAFROTH, Mr. President, I should like to have the senator state whether in that treaty there was not a coalition formed between the powerful countries of Europe to re-establish the sovereignty of Spain in the Republics of South and Central America?

    Senator Owen: "I was just going to comment upon that, and I am going to take but a few moments to do so because I realize the pressure of other matters. This Holy Alliance, having put a Bourdon prince upon the throne of France by force, then used France to suppress the condition of Spain, immediately afterwards, and by this very treaty gave her a subsidy of 20,000,000 francs annually to enable her to wage war upon the people of Spain and prevent their exercise of any measure of the right of self-government.

    The Holy Alliance immediately did not same thing in Italy, by sending Austrian troops to Italy, where the people there attempted to exercise a like measure of liberal constitutional self-government; and it was not until the printing press, which the Holy Alliance so stoutly opposed, taught the people of Europe the value of liberty that finally one country after another seized a greater and greater right of self-government, until now it may be fairly said that nearly all the nations of Europe have a very large measure of self-government. However, I wish to call the attention of the Senate to this important history in the growth of constitutional popular self-government.

    The Holy Alliance made its powers felt by the wholesale drastic suppression of the press in Europe, by universal censorship, by killing free speech and all ideas of popular rights, and by the complete suppression of popular government."

    "The Holy Alliance having destroyed popular government in Spain, and Italy, had well-laid plains also to destroy popular government in the American Colonies which had revolted from Spain and Portugal in Central and South America under the influence of the successful example of the United States."

    "It was because of this conspiracy against the American Republics by the European monarchies that the great English statesman, Canning, called the attention of our government to it, and our statesmen then, including Thomas Jefferson, who was still living at that time, took an active part to bring about the declaration by President Monroe in his next annual message to the Congress of the United States that the United States would regard it as an act of hostility to the government of the United States and an unfriendly act, if this coalition, or if any power of Europe ever undertook to establish upon the American continent any control of any American republic, or to acquire any territorial rights."

    "This is the so-called Monroe Doctrine. The threat under the secret treaty of Verona to suppress popular government in the American republics is the basis of the Monroe Doctrine. This secret treaty sets fourth clearly the conflict between monarchial government and popular government, and the government of the few as against the government on the many. It is a part, in reality, of developing popular sovereignty when we demand for women equal rights to life, to liberty, to the possession of property, to an equal voice in the making of the laws and the administration of the laws. This demand on the part of the women is made by men, and it ought to be made by men as well as by thinking, progressive women, as it will promote human liberty and human happiness. I sympathize with it, and I hope that all parties will in the national conventions give their approval to this larger measure of liberty to the better half of the human race".

    (Senator Owen, Congressional Record 1916)

    My Response...Philadelphia Freedom...by Elton John (in Verona): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z12CNfL38g&feature=related

    [quote=tone3jaguar;159526]Great Idea, but there is probably already something like that for the whole galaxy.[/quote]

    What if the whole universe is generally $crewed up? I used to think just the opposite...but now I don't know. I used to think that it was just us stupid humans on this miserable planet who were the ugly mole on the face of a beautiful and perfect universe...and that if you listened to the preacher and did what he told you to do...Jesus would come and save us...and the unbelieving masses would be destroyed by a 'loving' God...while us 'good' people flew off to live forever in Heaven. I don't think like this anymore. Hence...orthodoxymoron. I'm leaning toward a Star Wars scenario...where Humans and Reptilians are battling with each other to see who gets to be God and Master of the Universe. I'm quite confused about the Greys...as to whether they are Reptilian, Manufactured, or a separate race which is caught in between the Reps and Humans. In any case...it seems reasonable to conduct business properly in this part of the galaxy. Accomodating all races in a reasonable manner seems reasonable to me. But perhaps the other races are much more dangerous than I can imagine. I really don't know. Obama, the Pope, the Jesuits, the CIA, the NSA, etc...always forget to brief me!

    Meanwhile...I am toying with the idea of basing this civilization on the best form of government this world has seen in a long, long time. Including the entire solar system may be a mistake...but it's an idea which appeals to me presently...and so I'm going to run with it...until a Jesuit trips me...and I go flying. And I don't doubt that they are very capable of doing just that. Actually, I'm easy. I'm just sick of the murder and mayhem which has plagued this planet...going way, way back. I want the BS to stop. NOW.

    [quote=TraineeHuman;159546]I agree that the American Constitution has some great ideals and principles. The US seems to be the only country that formally recognizes that a citizen has absolute individual rights. That’s fantastic – even “cosmic”. But one big question is, how does that Constitution get so routinely abused and ignored and subverted in practice? (And indeed, all my own astral travelling and RVing suggests that that kind of subversion is unheard of on any other civilised planet -- with the exception of future versions of our planet, such as the P47s presumably are.)

    American readers probably have greater trouble viewing the American “matrix” objectively than do people from another country. (Sorry about that.) Obviously to most non-Americans, the American “matrix” has been manipulated so as to create a violent society. I know that Chomsky devoted half of one of his books to arguing and even proving that violence has always been one of the core central features of US society, from the beginning. It’s no coincidence that the crime rate in America is at least 12 times greater than in Western Europe. And that figure goes up to 16 or more times greater when it comes to crimes like murder.

    So another question is, how does one help people who live within such a violent “matrix” to detach from it, both individually and even as a society?[/quote]

    Read Post #10 for a clue as to why this is. Christianity has ignored the Teachings of Jesus. America has often ignored it's Constitution. The United States is supposedly a Christian Nation. One Nation Under God. Think about these previous five sentences. What's wrong with this picture? The United States of America and it's Constitution are in the crosshairs...and slated for a controlled demolition. The United States and it's Constitution are at war with a powerful force which goes way back into ancient Babylon, Egypt, and Rome. Lucifer knows exactly what I am talking about...don't you Lucifer?

    [quote=Humble Janitor;159558]No offense, but I don't think that humanity needs a piece of paper or papers to co-exist in a new paradigm.

    We've seen what weight the Constitution holds in modern times (read: zero) and in order for a new document (or any document) to have meaning, it must be held to the highest regard by all and it must be respected or else, it is just a piece of paper.[/quote]

    So...who has the ultimate authority in this world and solar system? Take a look at this discussion. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9368&highlight=orthodoxymoron&page=8 Minimalist paperwork which gives a legal foundation for minimalist government...prevents a theocracy, monarchy, or any other type of dictatorship from gaining a stronghold...and eventually taking over. Do you want to be more of a slave than you already are? Think about it...while you watch this (5 parts): www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1OFADSgNSo&feature=relatedYouTube - G. Edward Griffin pt 1/5

    In a Constitution for the Solar System...should the term 'Physical Being' be used instead of simply 'Being'? What if aliens are demonic spirits manifesting as Reptilians and Greys? Or...if a person went out of their body...would they have TWO votes? If they were demonically possessed...would they have 20 votes?

    I'm leaning toward the idea that there are physical Reptilians, Greys, and Humans...who have souls which can exit their physical bodies. And further...that there are good and evil factions of Reptilians, Greys, and Humans.

    The question is...how do you create a dominance of good over evil...and an equilibrium of races...so that tyranny, enslavement, and extermination does not occur?

    I'm considering this thread to be a mental exercise...as much as anything. You may find the following paragraph to be quite bizarre...but I am trying to illustrate a topic which doesn't get discussed very often or very well. I doubt that Lucifer will read this thread...but one never knows. Check out the following link for a rather bizarre look at how Lucifer could possibly relate to God, Jesus, Aliens, The New World Order, The Kingdom of God, etc. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15014&highlight=orthodoxymoron I'm thinking that these two threads are extremely important. I'm probably getting it wrong...but I think that I am hot on the trail of something big. You may be the one to get it right...and really figure this thing out. Please consider both threads very, very carefully...read between the lines...and use your imagination. Good luck!

    Lucifer...you are the God of This World...right? Are you the God of This Solar System? Who has the ultimate authority over Earth? Who has the ultimate authority over the Solar System? Lucifer...what document would you turn all of your authority and power over to...which would be the epitome of Constitutional Responsible Freedom...and which would guarantee Responsible Freedom to all beings throughout the entire Solar System? Do the Teachings of Jesus have something to do with this question? Does the Constitution of the United States of America have something to do with this question? These are not moot points. They may be the most important points of all. Gaining our freedom is really a legal issue. This is all about law. Lucifer...please produce the document which...if agreed to...would secure the Responsible Freedom of Earth and possibly the Solar System...and allow you to retire from your post as The God of This World...and possibly as The God of This Solar System. Would the document in the first post of this thread accomplish this goal? I believe that you have stated 'If I can't have them...nobody can.' Fair enough. If the document in the first post of this thread was enacted...nobody would have them. We would have ourselves. Nobody would replace you. There would be no gods before us. We would rule ourselves with Constitutional Responsible Freedom. This is the end of the road...Lucifer. Let We the Beings of This Solar System go.
    The universe is watching.

    By the way...Lucifer...are you fond of asking 'Your point?'...or 'The point?'...and saying 'Wait awhile'? Just thought I'd ask.

    "Most people do not really want freedom, because freedom involves responsibility, and most people are frightened of responsibility." -- Sigmund Freud

    I'm beginning to think that we really deserve the New World Order. We really can't handle the freedom which a particular piece of paper guarantees.

    If this thread is a waste of time...there is no one forcing anyone to waste their time commenting on it.

    I guess I'm trying to create a new way of thinking for myself...and possibly for others...if there is merit in doing so. I have minimally changed the wording of the Constitution to make it come alive in the space-age. Honestly...I'm toying with making it a sort of minimalist religion...which really isn't a religion. There is no god at the head of this religion...only the divinity which exists within all beings. The consitutional process is supremely important...and there are no rules and regulations regarding how to live...and no promises of heaven...or threats of hell and damnation. I'm trying to get rid of nationalism and protectionism...and to out-do globalism...by applying the Constitution to the Solar System.

    Would benevolent beings throughout the Solar System have a problem with this? Would malevolent beings throughout the Solar System have a problem with this? If God exists behind the shadows of the universe...would there be a Divine objection to this approach? I dream of seeing something like this instituted...and having God show up one day...saying 'What took you so long? This is what I had in mind from the beginning...but you had to do it.' I see intelligent design...and I also see evolution. What I do not see...is an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving, and all-present God...running this Solar System. I'm seeing God Wannabes...playing god...in a malevolent and dictatorial manner.

    The goal is the mutually beneficial interaction and method of decision-making for the benevolent beings of this Solar System. The door would always be open to malevolent beings...should they decide to play nice and to play fair. I don't care what non-human beings look like...or what our history with them has been. I simply want this Solar System to be properly run...in a non-corrupt and non-dictatorial manner...with no atrocities, enslavement, extermination, exploitation, etc, etc.

    I'm not expecting God...or anyone else...to do this for us. We need to be big boys and girls...and live as responsible citizens...in an interplanetary sense.

    What if I should focus exclusively on the human race...because there is so much confusion, deception, and disinformation regarding other races? What if...in this internet age...representatives are not necessary or desired? What if legislation was drafted by the people directly...and then debated on the internet for 1 year before voting on it? What if there was a yearly test...on current events and laws...which would qualify a person to be a knowledgeable and responsible voter? Instead of running for office...one would study for a test. Passing this test would qualify a person to be a voter. Should the United States of the Solar System simply consist of reasonable groupings of human beings throughout the Solar System?

    My mind is not made up. I'm simply trying to learn. My mind is becoming more and more confident regarding the concept of responsible freedom...but I am not absolutely sure how this should best be implemented. Instead of a national view, or a world view...I really like the idea of a Solar System View. Do you see where I am going with this thread? It's a different way of looking at things.

    Now I'm going to take a break...so I won't be commenting for awhile. Hopefully you folks can figure this out. Good luck!

    I'm trying to take a break...but I just had to change the wording of the Constitution for the United States of the Solar System...to include only Human Beings. This is not anti-alien. It is a safeguard. Malevolent Alien Beings are a major problem and threat. We the People of the United States of the Solar System need to get our house in order...and then interact with all Alien Nations in an open yet cautious manner.

    I'm liking the document in the first post more and more...with the wording slightly modified to be inclusive of male and female...and to include regions throughout the Solar System which are occupied by Human Beings. Obviously...without inside information...I can't know who is where (and why)...throughout the Solar System. I'm really flying blind. I'm just trying to change my paradigm.

    Questions of who really owns and controls Earth, the Moon, and the rest of the Solar System need to be asked in a very forceful and compelling manner. Can those who are here (Human and Alien)...lose their lease...and be 86'd from the Solar System? The answer to this question could make the subject of ownership and control very complex and interesting. Get ready for a very rough ride. Fasten your seatbelts.

    I'd love to hear Michael Salla's views on this thread. I intend to research his views and the exopolitics subject. I hope all of you who read this...do some research on your own (that is key)...and share the results of your investigations. I don't mind being completely wrong. I just want truth and justice to emerge from the confusion.

    Any comments? Isn't governance the most important issue to consider? Is the Solar System really a unit...rather than a collection of separate and unrelated parts? Why not make this Solar System a haven and refuge for benevolent beings? Would benevolent beings be tough enough to defend the Solar System against invasions by malevolent beings? Could this be what the Secret Space Program and Deep Underground Military Bases are all about? Are turncoat reptilians and greys assisting humans in a quest to gain responsible freedom? I don't know. What do you think?

    If Alien Nations were to be included in The United States of the Solar System...they would have to be benevolent...wouldn't they? How would we conclusively determine if they were truly benevolent? A Trojan Horse situation would be very grave indeed. The current language of the Constitution of the United States of the Solar System is exclusively human...as a precaution against the unknown nature of the Alien Nations.

    Tell me what you think about having non-human beings participating in a constitutional representative republic.

    Do we need a Solar System View rather than a World View? In 3rd or 4th grade...I drew the Solar System over and over again...day after day. Why? Also...why does this thread generate no interest? It would seem to be a polarizing or even inflammatory subject...especially in light of the cr@p the U.S. has been involved in over the last few decades. The rest of the world is not amused. I am, however, promoting the Constitution...and not the U.S.

    Could someone please tell me who really owns and controls the Solar System? Is there a Solar System Constitution which presently exists (other than the one in the first post)? Are these important questions? Why? Why not?

    Are any moons or planets for sale? How much would Neptune pay for Uranus? This thread is about all aspects of the Solar System...but always with the governmental aspects clearly in mind. I call this Comprehensive Concentration. Which planets and moons have bases on them? Most of them? Do the inhabitants comment on Avalon? Hmmmm.

    I am assuming nothing. I would hope that Responsible Freedom is not a new, feared, or forbidden concept in a supposedly highly advanced universe. This exercise is not an attempt to lay down the law. It is an attempt to turn on the light. Let there be light. Will we see that things are good throughout the solar system...or will we be appalled? I desire the end of tyranny and secrecy. I desire simple non-theocratic godliness. Jesus said that the truth would set us free. What was he referring to? Could it be Responsibility in the light of full disclosure?

    Are humans really the new kids? Or...Are humans the abused kids? Is freedom a bad word in the universe? Is theocracy a good word in the universe? Is asking questions about the ownership and control of the solar system a bad thing? If Nazi's and Greys control the Moon...should we be OK with that? Did the galactic PTB not warn them off? Why was a legitimate U.S. space effort warned off? Does this say something about who presently runs the solar system? If Lucifer is the God of This World...should we be OK with that? Perhaps this exercise on this thread will result in an unexpected disclosure. Perhaps the benevolent beings throughout the universe have been waiting for us to engage in just such an exercise. Is thinking beyond Earth an exercise in futility?

    So many questions. So little time...until December 21, 2012. Which world order will emerge? Will the solar system be a part of this world order? Conduit closing.

    Jnana: If advanced beings have moved beyond the primitive and obsolete concept of ownership...then they shouldn't mind if Earth humans own the solar system...should they? I'm half-joking...and half-serious. Recent Earth history is historical fiction...with emphasis on fiction...seemingly for the purpose of keeping us controlled, fearful, and stupid. The truth might have been a better approach.

    Northern Boy: A responsible general public will guarantee the success of this concept. Every man, women, and child will be a member of the New Illuminati. The peons must move up...and the elites must move down. At some point...the two parties will meet...and will hopefully party together. Obviously...this process will involve much weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth. Namaste will be the word of the day. The divinity within all of humanity will make this work. The quoted text mostly sounds very good (with just a quick read through). What is the source? A silver standard is supposed to be superior to a gold standard...because gold is too scarce. How about a yttrium standard? Just kidding! Continuity of the best things in this world should be very carefully guarded. The worst things in this world should be very carefully discarded. It just seems logical to utilize the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...and apply it to the entire Solar System. This would replace the Demonic Theocracy which seems to have Malevolent ET's at the Top of the Pyramid. I can't prove this...but it sure seems like that is the case. I'm open to alternatives...but I'm going to continue to test the proposal in the first post of this thread...at least until December 21, 2012.

    I just added a couple of videos...and the 'Declaration of Human Sovereignty' from www.humansovereignty.org . Please take a look...and tell me what you think...pro or con. Do not be alarmed. Go back to your homes (or your DUMB's). This is a test. This is only a test.

    Benevolents of all races should not fear. Malevolents of all races had better start packing their bags. Get ready for a Solar System Exorcism. The ectoplasm is going to be flowing in the streets. www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyRqR56aCKc&feature=relatedYouTube - Ghostbusters (Trailer 1984)

    Consider the following thread in the context of this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10158 Will Presidential Disclosure only occur AFTER most of us have been exterminated and enslaved...when there is no longer any possibility of us gaining permanent human sovereignty and responsible freedom? This is probably the right time to discuss this. We may not be able to in the near future. It may be later than we think. Conduit Closing.

    Even if you don't agree with the proposal in the first post of this thread...it might be helpful to think through how you would run the Solar System. Would you desire a constitution? If so...what constitution do you prefer? Would you want to be a dictator? How should the Solar System be governed? Should an alien nation rule over us...and be our gods? What is your verdict?

    What do you think about this thread in light of Muammar Gaddafi's U.N. speech? www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvOo5LK22sgYouTube - Muammar Gaddafi Speech To United Nations Sept 23, 2009 pt.1

    Is the first post of this thread unreasonable? If so...why so? Is everyone OK with the New World Order? If so...why so? Is the New World Order the New Paradigm? Is it really new? How this Solar System is governed is supremely important. Does anyone care? Can we learn to be happy slaves? Maybe it won't be so bad. :original::lightsabre:

    I saw a bumpersticker that I liked. It read 'I DON'T WANT A SOLUTION! I JUST WANT TO COMPLAIN!'

    Why is the first post not a partial solution...at least? Should non-humans rule humans? Should humans rule non-humans? Should humans rule humans...and non-humans rule non-humans? Should we leave each other alone? I don't want any kind of a war. I just want this Solar System to be run in a rational and compassionate manner. I don't have a prefabricated heaven to look forward to...like I did when I was a lot younger. I expect to get recycled back into this madness...and so I am trying to help clean up this mess...so that I will have a hopefully better world to reincarnate back into. I'm not buying a lot of the ascension stuff...or going to a better place stuff. I think we have to stay here and make this thing work. We have to make our bed...and sleep in it. I'm still not absolutely certain about greys, reptilians, interdimensionals, Lucifer, etc. I'm playing along as if these beings are very real...but I don't really know. If non-human beings have a legitmate claim on Earth, the Moon, and the rest of the Solar Sytem...this seriously complicates things. I'm leaning toward humans ruling humans throughout the Solar System...and cautiously interacting with non-humans...without them being a part of human government. Obviously, I don't know the true state of affairs...so I cannot speak with any real certainty. Still...we should spend a lot of time and energy thinking about these issues and questions. Unfortunately...I'm seeing virtually no interest in this thread. I'm just testing an idea at this point...and fishing for ideas and input.

    I'm just trying to combine Namaste with Constitutional Responsible Freedom utilizing the U.S. Constitution in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System. This would be a non-theocratic union of spirituality and state...with an organized decentralism...giving the power to the many...rather than to the few. If this sounds too simple...consider that if it's not simple...it will not work. I just want to plant the idea in at least a few people who are in a position to properly research and consider this...and to possibly begin to implement it...if it is deemed to be reasonable and workable. I'm not in a position to personally do this. People with much more talent, education, connections, drive, etc...would need to make this happen. A lot of humans and non-humans would have to sign-off on something like this for it to have even half a chance of working. I keep trying to convince Lucifer to work out the details...and then retire...but I don't think he or she spends much time on Avalon. But one never knows. This could not be forced...as that would defeat the whole purpose and concept.

    Thank-you Carol. It's really a collection of other people's ideas and work. Secrecy, Compartmentalization, and Tyranny seem to be the three big enemies. I just finished rewatching Alex Collier's 1995 lecture...and he says so much which harmonizes with this thread. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-616495947939806971# I have a feeling that Bill Cooper and Alex Collier are going to be featured prominently in the history books of the future.

    Just an unrelated thought about elected officials. Perhaps they should have to earn Masters and Doctorate Degrees in Government (or equivalent)...and be genuinely qualified to participate. Perhaps they should have to take an extensive battery of tests...to determine their suitability to hold high office...rather than just getting the nod of the CFR or the Bilderberg Group.

    Speaking of the CFR. They have a great journal called 'Foreign Affairs'. I would like to see a rival publication which is patterned after 'Foreign Affairs'...but with an editorial bias which is in harmony with this thread (especiallly post #1). We need to beat the PTB at their own game. We need to invite ourselves to their party...instead of shouting at them from across the street.

    Just a plug for the videos in the first post (including the Cooper and Collier videos). I've been watching them in order...sort of like a movie...repeatedly. I'm sort of programming myself (better than being programmed by the PTB)! Repetition, repetition, repetition...and ACTION! (I got that line from W. Clement Stone) :wall:

    I found a really cool section of the 'Urantia Book' which sheds light on the principles and concepts discussed in this thread. I continue to be enamored with the concept of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. Without the qualifying words 'Constitutional' and 'Responsible'...'Freedom' in nothing more than 'Anarchy' and 'Rebellion'...which quickly degenerates into an even worse form of 'Tyranny' than the one which was so righteously objected to. Was this Lucifer's BIG mistake? PLEASE closely examine the following words:

    054:1 TRUE AND FALSE LIBERTY http://urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/p054.htm

    54:1.1 Of all the perplexing problems growing out of the Lucifer rebellion, none has occasioned more difficulty than the failure of immature evolutionary mortals to distinguish between true and false liberty.
    54:1.2 True liberty is the quest of the ages and the reward of evolutionary progress. False liberty is the subtle deception of the error of time and the evil of space. Enduring liberty is predicated on the reality of justice—intelligence, maturity, fraternity, and equity.
    54:1.3 Liberty is a self-destroying technique of cosmic existence when its motivation is unintelligent, unconditioned, and uncontrolled. True liberty is progressively related to reality and is ever regardful of social equity, cosmic fairness, universe fraternity, and divine obligations.
    54:1.4 Liberty is suicidal when divorced from material justice, intellectual fairness, social forbearance, moral duty, and spiritual values. Liberty is nonexistent apart from cosmic reality, and all personality reality is proportional to its divinity relationships.
    54:1.5 Unbridled self-will and unregulated self-expression equal unmitigated selfishness, the acme of ungodliness. Liberty without the associated and ever-increasing conquest of self is a figment of egoistic mortal imagination. Self-motivated liberty is a conceptual illusion, a cruel deception. License masquerading in the garments of liberty is the forerunner of abject bondage.
    54:1.6 True liberty is the associate of genuine self-respect; false liberty is the consort of self-admiration. True liberty is the fruit of self-control; false liberty, the assumption of self-assertion. Self-control leads to altruistic service; self-admiration tends towards the exploitation of others for the selfish aggrandizement of such a mistaken individual as is willing to sacrifice righteous attainment for the sake of possessing unjust power over his fellow beings.
    54:1.7 Even wisdom is divine and safe only when it is cosmic in scope and spiritual in motivation.
    54:1.8 There is no error greater than that species of self-deception which leads intelligent beings to crave the exercise of power over other beings for the purpose of depriving these persons of their natural liberties. The golden rule of human fairness cries out against all such fraud, unfairness, selfishness, and unrighteousness. Only true and genuine liberty is compatible with the reign of love and the ministry of mercy.
    54:1.9 How dare the self-willed creature encroach upon the rights of his fellows in the name of personal liberty when the Supreme Rulers of the universe stand back in merciful respect for these prerogatives of will and potentials of personality! No being, in the exercise of his supposed personal liberty, has a right to deprive any other being of those privileges of existence conferred by the Creators and duly respected by all their loyal associates, subordinates, and subjects.
    54:1.10 Evolutionary man may have to contend for his material liberties with tyrants and oppressors on a world of sin and iniquity or during the early times of a primitive evolving sphere, but not so on the morontia worlds or on the spirit spheres. War is the heritage of early evolutionary man, but on worlds of normal advancing civilization physical combat as a technique of adjusting racial misunderstandings has long since fallen into disrepute.

    Richard Hoagland claims that there are three competing factions within NASA...the Nazis, Masons, and the Magicians. Are these the three major competing factions on Earth...and in the Solar System? Are the Magicians really the Vatican? Are each of these factions doing business with the Reptilians and Greys? Or...are each of these factions really doing business FOR the Reptilians and Greys? Is there a significant and major human faction on Earth which is completely independent of the Reptilians and Greys? Is it really possible to do business in this Solar System without doing business with the Reptilians and Greys?

    Hear ye! Hear ye! Oye! Oye! The first post of this thread is an expression of intent of a faction who seeks Human Sovereignty. This faction may only contain one person at this point...but it will grow. I invite the Nazis, Masons, and the Vatican to join this faction. I invite the Reptilians and Greys to respect the sovereignty of the Human Race...and to interact with us in a non-invasive and non-dictatorial manner. Reptilians and Greys...you may find this new arrangement to ultimately be in your best interest. I seek the greater good for All Races...including the Reptilians and Greys. Things seem historically and presently to be highly irrational...and generally out of control. I call upon the Universal Powers That Be to facilitate such a development as is described in the first post of this thread.

    If this sort of thing is already in the works...so be it. Again...this thread is more of an exercise than anything...especially due to the fact that inside information is just that...inside information. :zip: I'm just trying to figure out what the hell is going on :shocked:...and then respond responsibly. :original: There is obviously a learning curve.

    I'm still interested in comments regarding the ownership and governance of the solar system. I'm looking for both positive and negative comments. The first post seems as though it might be a workable and desirable goal...but it's just a sparkle in my eye at this point. It's an old idea...and a new idea...all in one. I really need more input in order to properly evaluate the editorial slant of this thread. Help!

    What are the theological implications and ramifications of 'The United States of the Solar System'? What are the theological implications and ramifications of Constructive Competition? What are the theological implications and ramifications of Positive Response Ability? What are the theological implications and ramifications of Constitutional Responsible Freedom? To me...all of the above are interwoven into a very flexible yet durable fabric.

    I'm serious. If the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights were treated as the canonical texts of a non-theocratic union of spirituality and state...what would this mean to religious and spiritual people? I wish to enhance and strengthen an ethical spiritual life...which brings the people of the world together in a unified diversity...where war and hatred becomes obsolete.

    This is uncharted territory for me...and I'm not really sure how to proceed. Or perhaps I shouldn't proceed. What do you think?

    OK...is there a rival proposal to the one I have presented in the first thread? There seems to be no interest in my proposal...so what is your proposal? The water's warm. Come-on in...

    What did you think about Jordan Maxwell's recent Camelot interview? How did his pessemistic verdict relate to my desire to form a United States of the Solar System? I'm really a mixture of hope and despair. I don't see any magic solutions. I really think that for most of the people of the world...life will be difficult for a long, long time. I really do think that my proposed solution will eventually triumph...not because I'm promoting it...but because it's really a pre-existing 2+2=4 type of solution. Alex Collier indicated in 1995 that the Andromedans communicated with him that a one-world government should be based on the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. John F. Kennedy, Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan, Ron Paul, Bill Cooper, Alex Jones, et al have promoted the Constitution for a long, long time. I didn't draft the documents in the first post. I'm simply a repeater of great ideas. I don't know what else to do. I just feel like we are at the end of our rope...and that we need to positively reinforce that which is tried and true...and which actually works! I could be very wrong...so please give this thread some deep thought.

    At this point...I'd like to see the continued revealing of that which has been hidden. I hope that we will be forgiving of those who have done wrong...but that we will never forget...so as to not repeat the same mistakes over and over again. I still like the idea of some kind of amnesty for full disclosure, full cooperation, and reasonable restitution. I tend to think that everyone and everything is a mixture of good and evil...almost without exception. Most of us may have been as bad as the bad-guys if we had been in their shoes...maybe even worse.

    I'm feeling really close to the truth...yet really far away. I'm thinking that Sirius is at the center of everything...yet I'm not sure exactly how.

    Could it be that the God of This World is a Draconian-possessed androgynous black human alien from Sirius who heads Giza Intelligence, the Secret Space Program, and the Deep Underground Military Bases...and who is the real Black Pope? Could the Ark of the Covenant be the UFO which brought us here from Sirius along with technology obtained from Draconian-demons in exchange for allowing the Draconians to possess the elite-humans? Is this solar system really part of the Siran solar system? Is our sun really Sirius C? Is the ancient depiction of three suns really Sirius A, Sirius B, and Sirius C? Are the tall greys from Sirius, really just human beings? Did we all come from Sirius? Is there a stargate between this solar system and Sirius? Is all of the cr@p we have been in for millions of years really a Sirian civil war? Are we all different factions of Sirians? Would my pet project of The United States of the Solar System really have to apply to Sirius as well? Is Sirius the All Seeing Eye at the top of the pyramid? Is Sunday really Sun God Day? Is this sun really Sirius? Is the Roman Catholic Church all about Sirius? Are the Masons all about Sirius? Are the occultists all about Sirius? Is the layout of Washington D.C. all about Sirius? Is the Sirian Theocratic System really the Universal Church aka The Holy Roman Empire aka the New World Order?

    Are Sirius A, B, C...and all planets and moons in the Sirius Solar Sytem somehow linked to our Solar System? Are we all from Sirius? Are Draconian Demons the real problem? Did some of us make deals with the Dracs? Do we now have hell to pay? Are there various factions of Humans living throughout these solar systems? If the Dracs decided to leave us alone or were removed...and if the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights were applied to Sirius and our Solar System...would this solve most of the major problems? Are we dealing with a Human Civil War throughout Sirius and our Solar System? How does Giza Intelligence fit into all of this? The more I try to think about all of this...the less I seem to know.

    If the Secret Space Program, Deep Underground Military Bases, Leviton Trains, etc. were under the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights in the context of a completely reformed and purified United Nations...and properly supervised by We the People...I wouldn't have a problem with them. But I'm sensing some very dark things connected with them presently.

    Is there hope for the Dracs...or are they way past the point of no return? Can they be reformed? Can they peacefully coexist with us under Constitutional Responsible Freedom? They are supposed to be very smart. Why would this be a problem to them? I don't get what's going on in this universe. It seems like a very bad nightmare. I get the feeling that things are bad everywhere...not just here.

    I have been making comments to Lucifer...but perhaps they need to be addressed to the Draconians. The Draconians are Lucifer's boss...right? What's it going to take Lord Draco? How deep are we into this New World Order Theocracy? Why does it have to be this way? What's the history of this madness? Can't we work something out which doesn't involve enslavement and extermination? Why can't we rule ourselves...and then deal with you in a reasonable manner. Why does everything seem to involve submission, obedience, worship, sacrifice, war, force, heirarchy, regimentation, deception, atrocity, etc, etc. Am I wrong...Lord Draco? What the hell is going on?

    There hasn't been a comment on this thread from someone other than me since October 2. Why is this? Why isn't the governance of this solar system one of the most important issues? You may not agree with my proposed solution...so what is your solution? I'm not fishing for approval...just input...both positive and negative. It's not really my solution either. I'm just promoting pre-existing documents and videos in a unique manner. Why re-invent the wheel?

    Once more...Dracs...why can't this proposal be accepted by you? I can understand business deals...but I can't understand the indescribable cruelty, domination, and deception you have heaped upon the Human Race. Is this payback for past wars and atrocities, etc? If so...when is enough...enough? Why not leave us alone...and allow us to rule ourselves...and then cut business deals with us which don't involve the enslavement, extermination, and domination of the Human Race? If what I'm hearing about you is true...all of this cr@p is utterly insane. But everyone involved is supposed to be oh so very, very smart...so much smarter than us stupid mortal peons. Once again...what the hell is going on here? Speak to me Lord Draco!!! I don't bite...but perhaps you do!!!! I won't bite your head off...if you promise not to bite my head off!!!! Oh I forgot...you Dracs don't negotiate...you just dictate...right? The Universal Church is a Draconian Theocracy...right Lord Draco? Why can't you accept Constitutional Responsible Freedom...and then use your military might to make certain that tyranny never rears it's ugly head again...anywhere in the Universe? Wouldn't this ultimately be in everyone's best interest...including yours? The ball's in your court...Lord Draco.

    The Universe is Watching.

    Here is a link from another thread...posted by eleni...which is pertinent to this thread: http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:_RZhCsbJQ58J:illuminati-news.com/Word/Betweenthedevilandtheincomingrock.doc+betweenthedevilandtheincomingrock.doc&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari I found this excerpt to be quite startling:

    [begin quote]"Governance, as opposed to security, appears to not have been a major issue from the ’79 meeting to the present. The emerging picture concerning governance painted by informant words indicates that the USG continued business as usual both vertically – from the executive apex of the presidency, through its federal departments and agencies, to the state governments in the union – and horizontally – the foreign policy apparatus of the USG continued functioning as expected through its State and Defense departments. What did change was the sense of constituent security – that is, USG had to formally contend with the presence of two Anunnaki camps in conflict with one another, and the additional requirement of dealing with both. The meaning of security also appears to have undergone a subtle, yet quite real metamorphosis. We will briefly discuss this transformation below.

    "It is evident from the literature (Good 1988, 1993; 1996, 1999; Maccabee 2000; Dolan 2000; Bryant 2002; Marrs 1998; Salla 2006; Corso 1997) that there is considerable belief based on evidence – some of questionable reliability, and some on verifiable validity – that the USG is involved in a massive cover up of anything from the existence of aliens, alien technologies, technology transfers to the private sector and more. While the focus of this essay is only on Anunnaki affairs and their impact on Earth governance, internal security, near Earth space security and Anunnaki inter-clan conflict, informants have also provided some information on contacts with “aliens” from outside the solar system (e.g., the Angleton tapes and the SERPA TS/SCI referred to by Collins and Doty 2005). This appears to reflect a reframing of how USG views the Anunnaki vis-ā-vis “the real aliens” (Six 2005). Our current hypothesis is that Anunnaki are currently viewed as “ancestors, not really aliens, but more like people who are like us, probably because they were here before the human race appeared on Earth through them” (Six 2005). This makes sense to us, since we were asked more than once to clarify our questions regarding “aliens” from the “incoming”. Is it that at present lead agencies regard this as a “local” event requiring a “local event response set”? It would seem so. This worldview on Anunnaki presence on Earth would also fit in with the seeming working definition of “those who are here and those from the incoming” as a “local problem” (Six 2005; Eight 2005).

    "How, then, has the issue of governance been affected by the double Anunnaki presence since the ’79 meeting? One of the seeming results of the formalized infrastructure specific to this situation is the insulation of the White House from the appearance of real access to UFO information. Two examples of this approach are the handling of the Rockefeller initiative during the Clinton administration (i.e., the involvement of assets said to be with CIA at the time and the White House deft use of UFO/alien humor) in deflecting one of the most delicate exopolitical crisis faced by President Clinton; the other is the style and tenor used by the Bush-43 administration: silence. The Anunnaki seem to have forced the USG into a space security structure responsive to two exopolitical constituencies. This is reflected “in the way things get handled,” said Informant Eight. “Looks like everything political is handled by the [National Space] Council and the Vice President as chair. This is where the two tracks originate. One umbrella for TS/SCIs handling the incoming, another umbrella for TS/SCI dealing with those here, and the twain shall never meet. NGA looks like it works with both tracks, but it really is controlled by the other czar for space security. This is one of the most secret functions, “cause from what I can tell, this person is the Executive Officer of the whole space security apparatus” (Eight 2005)."[end quote]

    Once again...this thread is an experiment...to stimulate thought. To me...presently...it is a sort of a line in the sand. But it is not set in concrete. Besides...it's not up to me anyway. I'm just living in a make believe world of 'what if?' What if the governance of the Solar System were up to you? What would you decide to do?

    Solar System governance is a central issue...if not The Issue. It is very, very important. Please give the subject some very deep thought.
    I'm still wishing to have a conversation (pick a fight) regarding the governance of this solar system. Come on...let's go.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:49 pm

    Here is a comment which I posted on another thread which is relevant to this thread:

    I have a fascination regarding cathedrals and pipe-organs. The whole temple and worship concept goes way back into antiquity. Lucifer was supposedly the chief musician in 'heaven'. If 'heaven' is really the Pleiades...perhaps there were cathedrals and pipe organs in the Pleiades...and Lucifer brought the whole theological concept...including temples, cathedrals, pipe-organs, and worship...from the Pleiades to Aldebaran...then to Sirius...and finally to Earth. As above...so below. I guess I'm seeing two rival 'gods' leading a civil war. Are the Annunaki and Dracs mercenary interdimensional warriors and laborers? Was the Pleiadian 'god' instrumental in the destruction of Atlantis? Did the Luciferian 'god' take the Atlantian civilization underground? Is this Giza Intelligence? Are there underground mansions, cathedrals, libraries, and museums...combined with military bases and stargate temples? Does Lucifer (or equivalent) possess the ability to end most life on Earth through 'Earth Changes'? Is alien technology really ancient Pleiadian technology? I'm beginning to think so. The exact composition and motivations of the various secret factions are obviously unknown. My guess is that there may be three major factions...two theocratic (one Pleiadian and one Aldebaran Luciferian)...and one Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom faction.

    Hitler may very well have been a regular visitor to this underground or inner Earth realm. This may also be true for the Popes. I don't know. This is all just wild speculation. But studying the Nazi phenomenon may be the real window into what is going on.

    When Henry Kissenger was learning about the 'alien presence' he worked night and day...and wouldn't communicate with anyone...not even his wife. What he was learning must have been devastating. It couldn't have been good. Notice that certain key people, such as Henry Kissinger and Zbigniew Brzezinski (both Jason Scholar study directors)...who presumably know the complete story...quietly direct the Presidents...administration after administration. The Presidents presumably do not know the complete story...with the possible exception of George H.W. Bush.

    Once again...I just want the secrecy to end...I want all hard core regressive beings (human and non-human) to leave this solar system...and I want the solar system to be based upon namaste constitutional responsible freedom. That should correct most of the major ills...regardless of who is presently running things or which et's are good or bad. If this works...other star systems might try doing this as well. Is this too much to ask?

    Can't we at least discuss various possibilites regarding the ownership and governance of this solar system? Aren't these two of the most important issues we could possibly consider? Who owns Solar System, Inc? Who is the CEO? Is the CEO a Nine Foot Tall Draconian Reptilian? Who are the Board of Directors? Who are the Shareholders?

    We 'pale faces' acted as though the Native Americans didn't own anything. Native Homeland Security has been doing a lousy job since 1492. Is the concept of private property a bad concept? Is working for just compensation a bad concept? Is communism a good concept? Should a lazy and stupid person live just as well as a hard working and wise person?

    My economic ideal is a stratified middle class...without extreme poverty or extreme wealth. If capitalism were truly responsible and well refereed...I think this would be the case. Corrupt and irresponsible capitalism is killing us. Baseball and football games have rules and referees. Why does capitalism always seem like the wild, wild west...dominated by outlaws? Where's the damn sheriff? Oh I forgot...he got paid-off.

    I'm liking the concept of the first post more and more...even if there are no aliens. I'm actually going to try to back away from the alien/spirit stuff for awhile...and concentrate on business and world news. I've started watching Bloomberg and BBC...and I'm reading the Wall Street Journal again. These are important sources to consider if we really want a non-corrupt, non-theocratic united world. I don't want to be alarmist or paranoid. I just want to be a productive part of a responsible, peaceful, and free humanity.

    I will continue to issue a challenge regarding determining who really owns the Solar System...who really is in charge...and regarding the best form of governance. These are very, very important issues...yet few seem to care.

    Jordan Maxwell may be right...judging from the participation on this thread. You know what I'm talking about.

    There is something attractive about the the names United Nations and New World Order. They seem to imply a world at peace, with liberty and justice for all! Sigh! But sometimes things are not what they seem. Sometimes reality is exactly the opposite of that which is advertised. The UN and NWO are often described as Not being in the best interest of the United States and the principles upon which our country was founded, namely Freedom and Responsibility. A centralized dictatorship is often hinted at, with the United States at the back of the bus!

    Allow me to suggest a True World Order (TWO). You guessed it, there are TWO components to the True World Order:

    1. The Constitution of the United States of America.

    2. The Red Letter Teachings of Jesus Christ.

    And again, you guessed it, there are TWO underlying unifying principles:

    1. Freedom.

    2. Responsibility.

    The True World Order would be, and should be already, implemented here in the United States, and by example, not by coercion, the TWO would theoretically spread throughout the whole world! TWO would be a humble-minimalist-decentralized world order rather than an arrogant-theocratic-centralized world order.

    Including the Red Letter Teachings of Jesus Christ is not a violation of the Establishment Clause of the Constitution of the United States. Jesus does not call for the establishment of a literal traditional church. Just the opposite! Jesus calls for Christ-likeness, not ritual-traditional Churchianity. Respecting the words of Jesus, especially regarding the principles of freedom and responsibility, are a supreme safeguard against the establishment of any state church!

    This country and our world has yet to see the responsible implementation of the Constitution of the United States and the Red Letter Teachings of Jesus. They are TWO sides of the same gold coin, a gold standard, and allow for a responsible pluralism. Minimalist Government and Religion. What a concept! The idea is 2,000 years old. The idea is so old that it's new! TWO is #1! Go 2 4 Freedom!

    class...Class...CLASS...SHUDDUP! Thank-you!

    Question: When does church + state + people = a bad thing?
    Answer:

    Corrupt Centralized Coercive Government (Constitution Ignored!)
    + Corrupt Centralized Coercive Church (Teachings of Jesus Ignored!)
    + Oppressed Irresponsible Citizens (Constitution and Teachings of Jesus Ignored!)
    = HELL ON EARTH!

    Question: When does church + state + people = a good thing?
    Answer:

    Non-Corrupt Decentralized Minimalist Government (Constitution Followed!)
    + Non-Corrupt Decentralized Minimalist Church (Teachings of Jesus Followed!)
    + Free Responsible Citizens (Constitution and Teachings of Jesus Followed!)
    = HEAVEN ON EARTH!

    Do the Math!
    Any Questions?
    Lesson Learned?
    Class Dismissed!!

    I just want to add that I desire to retain the best of all religions and governmental systems...in an organized decentralism...which gives the power to the people...rather than to a central exalted committee, person, or god. I appreciate the efforts of leaders throughout all of universal history...who have tried to do the right thing. I'd just like to see Planet Earth make a logical and orderly transition into a responsible and free united world. I do not wish to demonize anyone...even if they have made terrible mistakes or have become incredibly corrupt. We just need to move on to bigger and better things. All of us are part of the problem. All of us are part of the solution.

    1. www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IvPIWzQcUYYouTube- The Great Dictator - speech
    2. www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzw6GiqZyD0&NR=1YouTube- We Are The World - Michael Jackson Lionel Richie Cindy Lauper Steve Wonder Bruce Springsteen...

    There comes a time when we heed a certain call
    When the world must come together as one
    There are people dying
    And its time to lend a hand to life
    The greatest gift of all
    We cant go on pretending day by day
    That someone, somewhere will soon make a change
    We are all part of gods great big family
    And the truth, you know, love is all we need
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    Send them your heart
    So theyll know that someone cares
    And their lives will be stronger and free
    As God has shown us by turning stones to bread
    So we all must lend a helping hand
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    There's a choice were making
    Were saving our own livesl
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    When youre down and out, there seems no hope at all
    But if you just believe theres no way we can fall
    Well, well, well, well let us realize that a change can only come
    When we stand together as one
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
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    OK...I'm looking for rival proposals regarding Solar System Governance (SSG). How should this Solar System be run? Who should run it? Who presently owns and operates this Solar System? Are these important questions...or not?

    I'm going to keep requesting rival proposals for the governance of our Solar System. This is probably the most important issue facing us...yet there seems to be very little interest. It seems to me that we are sitting-ducks for enslavement and extermination. Are we incapable of ruling ourselves? This has been suggested to me on the internet...by someone who didn't sound like they were an Earth Human. Could they be right? Please consider and discuss this important issue...and prove them wrong. Could it be that we don't even want to rule ourselves? I hope the holes at the poles are well lubricated...

    An organized and rational forum for decision making (especially on the macro-level) will probably always be necessary. Perfected beings might not require government as we know it...but how many perfected beings have you seen walking around lately?

    Work, money, private-property, and commerce in general...are not bad things. Corruption and Irresponsibility are bad things. It is important to not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Constructive Competition is a good thing. If you don't believe in competition...then just agree with everything I say...and stop competing!

    When you surrender to the divine will...make sure you are not surrendering and submitting to ET.

    I've always had a problem with competition. I'm really not very competitive. Add the mixed messages in Christianity regarding competition...and I've turned out to be one very confused dude. My attempted resolution is to dump most of Christianity...and to focus on the core principle of Responsible Freedom...which includes Constructive Competition and Positive Response Ability. I wish I had done this a long time ago.

    There are a lot of artists who work at jobs which pay their rent...and then they follow their passion...whether they get paid for it or not. I play my keyboard (set to pipe-organ) at least 45 minutes a day. I don't want to work for a church at this point (mostly because of church politics and theological issues)...so instead of playing a $300,000 pipe-organ...I get to play a $300 keyboard. I improvise...and play the way I want to play. I have listened to...taken lessons from...and talked to some of the best in the business...but I have the most fun doing it my way. I still want to hear Lucifer improvise at Saint Sulpice in Paris...after this Solar System mess gets cleaned up. I'm very serious about this. This isn't a sarcastic joke.

    Try watching Bloomberg or CNBC...and try reading the Wall Street Journal. Seriously. This can help to provide a better perspective on money and commerce. Starving artists should not be anti-capitalist. This could help to explain why they are starving. Seriously. But I do agree that when someone makes 3 billion dollars in one year in the market...that is obscene...especially if they don't pump most of this money into worthy charities.

    Regarding governance...I am pro-minimalism and anti-corruption...but a certain amount of organization is necessary to pull this off.

    I was reading 'Behold a Pale Horse' by Bill Cooper last night...and his comments regarding Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution hit me like a ton of bricks. The founders envisioned patriots in government...rather than traitors...and may have unwittingly provided an achilles heel for the enemies of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. Article 6 reads as follows (with slight changes in wording to provide Solar System language):

    Article 6.

    "All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States of the Solar System under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

    This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States of the Solar System which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States of the Solar System, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

    The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States of the Solar System and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States of the Solar System."

    Is this why the United Nations Charter supercedes the United States Constitution? Is this why the 1954 Greada Treaty (between ET's and the U.S.) supercedes the U.S. Constitution? Is this why we have 'One Nation Under God' instead of 'One Nation Under Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom'? Is the United States of America effectively an ET Human/Reptilian Theocracy...right now...even as I type?

    The deliberate circumvention of the Constitution should make treaties which supercede the Constitution...null and void (with extreme prejudice). However...I am presently removing the first two paragraphs of Article 6...as well as the 16th Amendemt from the Constitution for the United States of the Solar System. It pains me to do this...but evil humans and ET's have taken advantage of these loopholes...to fly a mothership through our airspace...and attempt to take over this land of the free...and home of the brave. Don't look now...but I think they've been successful...for a long, long time. We're just finding out about our servitude...and the terms of enslavement. And we thought we were free!

    I have gone to various sites with an organ repair person...and I watched a huge organ be constructed. People were whispering about the erection of the organist's organ in church!

    The dogs have it exactly right. They love each other while they're playing and fighting with each other. Competition is game-playing...which is an important part of life. This is what gives life much of it's meaning. We have to keep testing ourselves and each other. This defines who we are.

    Tangentially...at the front of the U.S. Senate Chambers there is 'In God We Trust' (front and center) and fascist symbols (left and right). Is this representative of the hypothetical Zionist/Pleiadian/Theocratic/Sirius A and Teutonic Zionist/Aldebaran/Luciferian/Sirius B factions which battle for the heart and soul of this world? I'm thinking that both factions (if they exist) use Interdimensional Reptilians (if they exist)...and that Interdimensional Reptilians use both factions. Could all of the above be hopelessly out of control? Could this madness get everyone killed? I'm thinking that this is a very, very ancient and very, very bitter conflict...and that everyone involved has lots and lots of baggage...and that it could involve all of us. Perhaps it is just as well that we don't remember our past lives...which could go back millions or even billions of years.

    Why wouldn't the proposal in the first post be workable to all sides? Is the hatred too deep? What are the real issues? I think I know some of them...but not all of them. I'm sure each side has it's legitimate grievances and aspirations...but will there be anything left when one side is finally triumphantly victorious? I'm seeing an inappropriate rebellion (Luciferian Human/Reptilian?) against an inexcusable wrong (Human/Reptilian Theocracy?)...creating millions of years of horrors and atrocities (War in Heaven and Earth?). When is enough...enough?

    Gnosis5...you are involved in things I wouldn't touch with a 10 meter pole. I admire you...in one sense...but I don't trust the supernatural realm (internally or externally)...especially considering our current state of psychological/ethical/spiritual development...or lack thereof. I worry about entering a Reptilian Disneyland of the Wannabe Gods when delving into the inner and outer realms.

    Some people spank something other than their dog...to achieve resolution.

    This path to Nirvana could lead to spiritual blindness.

    Seriously...are there any supporters or opponents of the first post of this thread? The silence is deafening.

    We're beating this subject to death. We need to move on to issues of the Solar System. I'm very serious about this thread (especially the first post). Again...this is a 2+2=4 solution. It's hidden in plain sight. Please give it some thought...and imagine what the actual functioning of such an arrangement might be like. When you really, really think about it...it starts to get exciting. Call this 'masturbation of the mind' if you like...but once you see the light of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the U.S. Constitution...in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System...you'll never go back. I have a dream...and it's not a dry idea.

    Thank-you Initiate. Your view is idealistic and my view is pragmatic. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights (with the minimal modifications in post #1) is really quite simple...and there are more than 200 years of usage to study. Plus...there is significant momentum and understanding of this form of government. The absence of a defining legal document which maximizes Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...is an invitation to tyranny and theocracy...with or without ascension. If we don't go the constitutional route as a Solar System...we will undoubtedly be governed by ET...like we already seem to be. Are the Interdimensional Reptilians the enforcers of the quarantine? Is the quarantine necessary because we are freedom-seekers? Will Earth Changes and the Seven Last Plagues be caused by 'God' to break our backs and wills...to make us ascend into a Human/Reptilian Theocracy...just like the good old days?

    I appreciate your interest and input. I'm not trying to be difficult or stubborn. This is totally an experiment. I'm a rebel without a clue. Even if I'm lucky enough to be right...someone else would have to make this work. I have no connections or power...and I'm too $crewed-up to do much of anything with this concept. I'm basing a lot of this on unproven assumptions. I'm just trying to get people to think about this subject. Every U.S. citizen should be a Constitutional Scholar. Then the abuses would be minimized.

    The sad state of the U.S. is not the fault of the U.S. Constitution. If you drive your car without oil...and the engine seizes-up...don't blame the car manufacturer. Article 6 and the 16th Amendment are a puzzle to me. They seem to be the Achilles heels of the Constitution. We need to clean house...and completely eliminate the infiltration and subversion of our country. Everything WILL BE EXPOSED. The bright lights are being turned on...and the rats are running like hell.

    Thank-you Gnosis5. It's the videos in the first post...watched as a group...which paint a picture of what should and could be. It's a new way of looking at life in general...and the Solar System in particular.

    "Like it or not, everything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man...or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active or abdicate. The future is in your hands."

    ~William Cooper, 11 - 24 - 89

    [quote=no caste;194566]I have questions: :sad:

    How many planets are there, exactly, in this solar system? Are there more orbiting on the other side of the sun, this star, at about the same distance from it, so we continuously don't know about their existence?

    Why should earthlings determine what the 'Constitution' of this star system ought to be? Or, is it better to be preemptive, take initiative! to have something in hand already? Is there already a greater 'Constitution' that encompasses other solar systems? Or does everyETone just make sh^t up, to the best of their collective ability and judgment?[/quote]

    Could these 'planets' possibly be mother ships?

    Earthlings simply need to become more responsible. If there is a pre-existing Solar System Constitution which is based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...I'd like to see it posted on this thread...without delay.

    I really think this general idea has legs...but maybe not in this thread. I feel a bit like a pesky insect which mostly annoys. I feel a bit like John the Baptist...preparing the way. This thread may contain fundamental flaws...but I think that the general idea is sound. But it's going to take some very competent people (Earth Humans and Extraterrestrial Humans) to make this thing work. Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom applied to the entire Solar System. Hold that thought.

    I'm still interested in hearing support, criticism, and rival ideas. I'm taking this thing both lightly and seriously. This thread is mostly a combination of brainstorming and pre-existing ideas and documents. I'm trying to re-invent the wheel...without re-inventing the wheel.

    That was superb Initiate! That's what I'm talking about! :thumb_yello:

    14 Chakras: Exposing the infiltration and subversion of not only the United States...but the whole world...will clarify the issues. This is occurring presently. Promoting Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom as a principle and concept will enable the Constitution to be used properly...and will minimize the corruption which is presently maximized. We've got to be a lot more informed and responsible to make this work. Otherwise...we will need to be treated like little children...by our 'saviors'. Article 6 and the 16th Amendment are seemingly problematic...and I have removed them from the 'Solar System Constitution'. Perhaps we need an additional amendment to clarify Article 6 and the 16th Amendment in our current U.S. Constitution...so that NOTHING is allowed to subvert or supersede the Constitution.

    This thread is on life-support...and I will keep bumping it...at least until December 21, 2012. I'll probably stop on December 22, 2012...because it will probably be too late for it to do any good. There seems to be a small window of opportunity at this time to gain a legitimate and lasting freedom for humanity. Once again...this thread may be fatally flawed...but where are the rival constitutions and points of view?

    The following is a link to the final chapter of a free online book which is mostly about Dulce and Deep Underground Military Bases. It's a collection of materials...mostly from the 80's and 90's. I don't know if it is generally accurate or not...but it does present a chilling view of what might be down there. The truth is down there. This final chapter includes what might be benevolent alien advice for dealing with the malevolent aliens. Even if it is complete fantasy...I found myself transfixed by the possibilities. Please read it, and tell us what you think! http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce/chapter34.htm Here is the section which caught my eye:

    Valerian then quotes the following words of one Procyonese star-traveler by the name of KHYLA, who revealed the following to an un-named earth woman with whom he had established contact:

    "...Tyrants have been defeated many times on many planets, in countless solar systems and galaxies. How strange it is that as soon as one tyrant of any species is thought to be banished forever another always, but ALWAYS, takes his place. The idealistic revolutionaries who defeated King George III in America went on to oppress the Indians and Blacks. Many of those who fought most courageously against the Axis powers of fascism later became fascists themselves, as is demonstrated by the present plight of the Palestinians, Afghans, Chileans and Nicaraguans. Yes, you must try to regain control of your government, but if so much as one individual involved in this process has not first gained control of his or her selfhood, it will be for naught. One can never defeat or gain control of anything but oneself. Those destined to ouste the Rigelians must always keep track of the state of their selfhood, and learn first to defeat within themselves the essence of that which is tyranny. Through this type of awareness, they will know when to and when not to act. Through understanding a hostile entity to be but one of the ineffable's countless facades, it loses its power over you. Through the ability to wisely perceive a hostile entity, you may gain control of it. In overcoming the Rigelians, one must take great precautions not to become oneself the enemy."

    Or, as the old Chinese proverb says:

    "BEWARE WHEN FIGHTING A DRAGON THAT YOU DO NOT BECOME ONE!"

    Khyla, the Procyonese Intelligence agent, continues:

    "The only way to victory is through the strength of your consciousness. When genetic or other manipulations are being performed on abductees, the Grays expect them to cringe in fear, and derive a second-hand high from the intensity of the emotions expressed. If instead of cringing in fear, an abductee can put his or her mind elsewhere, focusing attention on dynamic protective imagery of a religious or mystical nature, it decreases the gratification that the Grays are getting from their second-hand high, and it confuses them. Center the consciousness on something so different from what they expect that it puzzles them.

    (Note: In most cases the image of an empty red or crimson CROSS seems to be especially debilitating to the Grays. For instance the legendary soldier-saint, St. George, reputedly wore a shield with a red cross emblazoned on a white background. Whether one believes that the dragonslayers existed or not, the legend itself claims that the Christian dragon-slayers of Europe more-or-less marked the end of the dragon race's infestation of the old world. One such legend concerned the city of Silene, Libya which had been plagued by a draconian beast for a long period of time. The king of the city had offered up sheep and livestock in an effort to appease the beast. However the time came when all the livestock had been used up, and this was when human sacrifices were chosen, by lot, to appease the fearsome beast. One day the lot fell on the king's own daughter, and the grieved king, honoring his word, allowed her to be taken and tied to the post outside of the city gates. As the beast was about to pounce upon the princess, so the story goes, Saint George appeared in shining silver armor and -- before the beast knew what was happening -- the soldier-saint had pierced it through with his lance and rescued the princess, who later became his wife. Whether or not such legends have any basis in reality, the story nevertheless symbolizes the unconscious animosity between 'Saints' and 'Serpents'. If we are to believe the legends, then this was only one of the many 'vermin' -- as they were referred to in those ancient times -- which St. George had vanquished during his life, and although not the only dragon-slayer of legend, he was perhaps the most renowned. - Branton)...

    "The only reason the Grays have such a degree of dominance over you is because your elected officials stupidly made clandestine agreements with them, binding you to them in an exclusive alliance that is respected by other space races, allowing them to install themselves in underground bases impregnable to your weaponry, a situation you must now find a way to extricate yourselves from (Note: In that the Grays have repeatedly violated these treaties, they should legally be considered null and void. In fact since the Executive branch of the U.S. government was taken over by a fascist CIA coup d'etat in 1963 at the time of the John F. Kennedy assassination -- AS WERE the governments of several other countries throughout the world where CIA backed military coups resulted in the establishment of fascist puppet dictatorships -- should we not consider the Executive branch of government which made the 'treaties' with the Greys, to be null and void as well? It certainly was not Congress who authorized such 'treaties'. - Branton)

    "In antiquity this planet was divided into sectors between four different groups: Blonds, Grays, large lizard-like beings [now connected with] the Capella system, and beings [now connected with] the Arcturus system. These groups still consider themselves to be the owners of this planet. They do not recognize the human claim to ownership. However, some of us do recognize human rights, as well as the rights of other life-forms...

    "The Grays are having problems not only within their own ranks, but also on other planets they have colonized. As a species they are afflicted with severe, perhaps terminal, health problems (a weakness that can and should be exploited. - Branton). They have substantial captive populations of Blond, human and other prisoners of war, eager to join a revolt at the slightest opportunity...

    "One must be rational in attempting to fight back, and understand the proper way to proceed. Your own consciousness is the most potent weapon that is available to you at the present time. The most effective way to fight the Grays is to change the level of your consciousness from linear thinking to multi-dimensional awareness. Your secret weapon, your ace in the hole, is that you are not hive-minded collective thinkers, though many of you do fall into that category by conforming to conventional group-patterns, and are therefore easily controlled by the Grays. It is your INDIVIDUALITY which is your best weapon, because it is the one weapon you have that the Grays do not have. The major weakness of the Grays, their area of vulnerability, their Achilles heel, is their inability to think as individuals. They are an extremely telepathic high-tech society, but as individuals they are not creative thinkers. They take orders well, but they do not conceptualize well. They have the technology to throw your planet out of orbit, but there is one key ability that you have and they do not have: the ability to hold in mind imagery that inspires an individual to realize his or her direct personal connection to the source of ALL THAT IS, which is the ineffable Godhead, no matter what name you may call it. That is your key to victory..."
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:50 pm

    Regarding the 'Declaration of Human Sovereignty' in the first post...what if we are Renegade Pleiadians from Aldebaran...who came here (or were dumped here?)...and possibly waged war against native reptilians and/or humans...under the leadership of Lucifer? If this is true (or a similar scenario)...would Earth really be our 'Homeworld of Genesis'? Do we really have a legitimate right to be here? Are we the real extraterrestrials? These are not rhetorical questions. I really don't know. I'm tired of the run-around. I want the truth...and nothing but the truth...so help me whoever.

    Should this Solar System be a haven for benevolent beings of all races? Are human beings necessarily the good-guys...and are other races necessarily the bad-guys? Should all hard-core malevolent beings be exorcised from the Solar System...human and otherwise? Should all benevolent beings be allowed to remain...even if they are reptilians and greys? How would we know who is truly benevolent and who is truly malevolent?

    I'm torn regarding the wording of the 'Declaration of Human Sovereignty'. Help me out here. I'd like to just let someone else handle everything...but I have lost confidence in the existing administration of this Solar System. Unfortunately...the whole truth is unavailable...so I get to try to sort this out while flying blind and flying stupid. Bad combination.

    I wish we could have a thread with the Zionist Leader (Pleiadian?), Teutonic Zionist Leader (Aldebaran?), Draconian Leader (duh!), and Responsible Freedom Leader (Andromedan?)...and sort this thing out. I'm really, really tired of the lies and stupidity. I want out...but perhaps things are even worse everywhere else. Perhaps this madness is as good as it gets! I hope not...but one never knows.

    Please watch these two complementary episodes of Stargate SG1 with this thread in mind. Both episodes made me cry.

    1. http://www.fancast.com/tv/Stargate-SG-1/91998/1063988439/The-Torment-of-Tantalus/videos

    2. http://www.hulu.com/watch/68254/stargate-sg-1-the-fifth-race

    Thank-you for your interest and responses. I just want this general topic to be given some serious consideration. If we don't get governance right...everything else will be wrong. If we do get governance right...everything else will eventually fall into place. But I don't think that things will ever be easy. Utopia may simply mean the absence of enslavement and extermination. There will always be huge problems for this civilization to face. I'd simply like to see us become a 1 or 2 civilization...instead of being a 0 or -1.

    Placing Responsibility Education at the core of public and private education should go a long way towards creating the type of people who are necessary for a truly free society. This will make the documents in the first post more than just @#%&*^ pieces of paper. From what I have heard and read...Bill Cooper, Alex Collier, Manly Hall, Jesus Christ, et al would agree.

    Please watch those two linked Stargate episodes. They deal with 'meaning of life stuff'...and touch on a type of Galactic United Nations. It's very hard for me to summerize and do proper justice to these superb episodes.

    1. http://www.fancast.com/tv/Stargate-SG-1/91998/1063988439/The-Torment-of-Tantalus/videos

    2. http://www.hulu.com/watch/68254/stargate-sg-1-the-fifth-race

    There is a heretical component to the first post. I am proposing that the documents, principles, and concepts of the first post essentially become a minimalist religion of sorts...replacing Scripture, Canon-Law, etc. Obviously...this would have to be completely voluntary...or it would defeat the whole concept of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom.

    Aldbebaran is a star system...supposedly where renegade Pleiadians (who may be here on Earth) are from. See the thread titled 'What is Gizeh Intelligence'? http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11123&highlight=giza+intelligence Human Beings suddenly appear in the geologic record. There is no missing link. In fact...there would have to be many missing links...not just one. See the thread titled 'Tell Me Who I Am'. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14402&highlight=orthodoxymoron Instead of going from the Swamp to the Stars...I think it may have been the other way around. If so...what does that do to the effectiveness of the 'Declaration of Human Sovereignty'? I'm leaning toward the idea that if you're here and good...then stay. But if you're here and really bad (hard-core malevolent)...then leave...at least until you learn how to play nice. Don't go to Hell...just go to Nibiru! I don't want Earth to be the Prison Planet Insane Asylum of the Universe.

    I just modified the 'Declaration of Human Sovereignty' in the first post. I removed the 'homeworld' references...because I don't really know where we are really from...but I do believe that we have every right to remain here...but that we need to be a helluva lot more responsible. I would also like to know what the Creator God of the Universe aka Founders aka Ancients...intended for Humanity in general, and Earth in particular. I continue to think that the benevolents should stay...and that the malevolents should leave. This would include humans and non-humans.

    I also indicated that ET bases should probably not be destroyed...because they might be necessary for the defense of the Solar System...and that we might need the help of benevolent ET's for Solar System Security (SSS).

    I do not intend bullying or conquest...just that things should settle down in this Solar System...and that it should be a haven for benevolent beings of all races. I have included only Humans in the authoritative role...because I don't know the true nature of any other races. Hell...I don't even know the true nature of the Human Race! We can be extremely dangerous. We need to chill.

    Tell me what you think about these modifications. Are these founding documents ready for showtime? I repeat that this is an experiment. This is a test. This is only a test. My hope is that those with real power and connections will consider the principles and concepts contained in threads such as this one, and in other sources...and really do this thing the right way. I don't have a clue as to how this should or could be done. I'm just trying to get humans and non-humans to rationally think this thing through. I'm still working on it myself! What do you think Lucifer / Amen Ra? What do you think Satan? Can we move ahead with a smooth transition of power? I know that I'm a rebel without a clue...but I think this sort of thing is the next logical step...in what seems to be a very illogical Earth, Solar System, and Universe. We can all do better...don't you agree?

    Wouldn't it be quite amazing if a young woman...or a young androgynous person...has been running things here on Earth...for thousands of years? 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmwKws5JaIM&feature=related I see one human soul...reincarnating through hundreds or thousands of bodies...living in an underground stargate temple complex (under the Giza Plateau?)...for centuries and millenia. I see this one human soul behind all of the major religions. I also could be very wrong. I'm just trying to specialize in speculation which is rooted in honest research and reflection.

    The reptilian phenomenon puzzles me. Who controls who? Did Hathor / Amen Ra use reptilians as guards and soldiers, etc? Or...did reptilians possess and control Hathor / Amen Ra to control the world? Perhaps Hathor / Amen Ra was (and is?) fighting battles on many fronts...as a sort of a mediator/negotiator...to keep light on the Earth (or to keep the Earth enslaved?). Perhaps few people know how much it really costs...in blood, sweat, tears, and gold...to keep life and light on the Earth. I'm seeing both a rational and irrational being...a kind and cruel being...a sort of Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde. This could go with the territory of being a deity. I truly think it would be best if we could evolve to the point where we would not need to have any gods.

    But our politicians need to go through an educational process...fit for a king. Each politician should probably have the equivalent of two doctorates...in multidisciplinary and governmental studies. Politicians should have to take batteries of tests to prove that they are fit to be the equivalent of kings (for limited periods of time...to avoid corruption and insanity). Too much power for too long...is a recipe for disaster. Power corrupts...and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I don't want tyranny and theocracy...but I also don't want a bunch of corrupt and stupid nitwits...running amok in a make believe democracy...owned by the banks and media moguls...who take orders from off-world entities.

    There should be at least 10,000 people...worldwide...who know everything about everything...and could assume supreme leadership in a very competent manner...without prior notice. One would have to competitively join this group...in order to run for high office. I just want this world to be cleaned-up and run properly. We probably need the City-States and the United Nations...but not in their current state. They need to be completely reformed and purified...if this is even possible. If it's not possible...then we need to start from scratch.

    What I am really interested in...is the Administration of the Solar System...going back thousands or even millions of years. I'm just not seeing the Founders (or whoever superimposed intelligent design upon an evolutionary canvas - resulting in the bodies and souls of humanity) at work in this Solar System. It's almost as if something catastrophic happened to the Founders (or equivalent)...and all we have left is the Creation and the Holy Spirit of the Founders Within All of Humanity. This is one reason why I am interested in the concept of Namaste...which includes the Reverence for Life philosophy of Albert Schweitzer...and Seeing Christ in All Persons (Christ in You...the Hope of Glory). The Kingdom Within may be much more than merely a figure of speech.

    There may have been a lot of smoke and mirrors (holograms and magic?)...truths and half-truths...used to manage the people of the world...for good and for ill...throughout history. I just think we can do better presently...and that we need to move on to bigger and better things. I continue to think that the true history of the universe is very sad and violent...and that Full Disclosure will be almost unbearable. Jesus said 'I have many things to tell you...but you can't bear them.' We may have to bear these things (and more?) in the near future. Will we respond responsibly? Are we safe to save?

    I don't think that it would be good to be king. It might be a necessary evil...at times...but I don't consider the royal model to be the epitome of divinity.

    Thank-you New Age Messiah and Gnosis5. Solar System ownership and governance probably supercedes almost every other subject IMO. I'd like to hear a wide variety of opinions. So far...I am rather discouraged by the lack of interest. I don't care if anyone agrees with me or not. I just want to see some indication of interest and knowledge in this matter. This is basic.

    If the Universe is a Theocracy...then if the Universal PTB allow Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom here...they might have to allow it everywhere. This seems to be a Planet in Rebellion...and we seem to be at a crossroads. Will we be reigned back into the Universal Church Theocracy...or will We the People of Earth rule ourselves with Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom? This is one perspective (mine)...and the actual situation and terminology might be quite different.

    Please keep asking questions and thinking creatively regarding Solar System ownership and governance. This thread represents just one possibility regarding proper governance. It's a big idea...a True Universal Order. I don't really know what the true state of affairs is in this Solar System or Universe...and we probably need to consider all of the possibilities. Leave no moon-rock unturned.

    In a sense...a Government is a Church...and a Church is a Government. They are two sides of the same coin. The question is 'What is the nature of the Church and the Government?' To stop preaching...and go to meddling...'How would the Roman Catholic Church function if it were based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...and was in complete harmony with the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Teachings of Jesus? Would a Pope be elected by the general membership every four years? Would the Teachings of Jesus, the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Will of the People...supercede Canon Law, the Curia, the Pope, the Black Pope (and whoever the Black Pope takes orders from)? Would this create chaos...or would it minimize evil and corruption? For Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom to work...the Roman Catholic Church would have to go along with it...and looking at history...this would be nearly impossible. The RCC is the biggest 'We Never Change Church' imaginable. The Sirius Powers That Be would have to order it done...or it would be a non-starter. For Sirius (and Alpha Draconis?) to sign-off on this...We the People of Earth would have to exhibit a significant level of Knowledge and Responsibility. There is presently a Forbidden Knowledge Explosion...and the BIG question is 'Will We the People of Earth Respond Responsibly?' How about a non-penetential and non-sacrificial Ecumenical Namaste Mass based upon the Latin Mass...Celebrating the Divinity Within Humanity? Now I'm really meddling! I'm an abominable heretic...yet I prefer the glory, grandeur, reverence, and awe of the traditional service...rather than the 'Jesus is my buddy, show-up in shorts and a t-shirt, praise-song, hippie reefer-madness'. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94sa1Byb7fw 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Veof_APhkkQ&feature=related 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL4PO9jIj2I&feature=related 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq8i69-L-Fs&feature=related 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxBjqrPAUg8&NR=1

    I am unrepentantly orthodoxymoron. Here I stand. Now what do I do?

    [QUOTE=KathyT;205688]If a religion is running a government, it is called a theocracy. Some muslim countries are run by their religious leaders.

    But many other countries have governments that are not run by a religion (hopefully USA is still one), or they may have dictators, or they may be run by a monarchy…

    So I suggest you check your facts. Here is a place to start:
    [URL="http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/gov_gov_typ-government-type"]http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/gov_gov_typ-government-type[/URL][/QUOTE]

    Which facts do you suggest that I check? I suggest that you check the words at the front of the U.S. Senate Chambers...and the words at the center of the back of the dollar bill...and the words of the Pledge of Allegiance. My point was that there are religious aspects to all governmental systems...and there are governmental aspects to all religious systems. Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom would bow to the Divinity Within Humanity rather than bowing to an external deity...who could possibly be more evil than righteous...and could be an alien from Sirius (the Prince of Sirius)...and could be ruling the U.S. through the U.N., Bilderberg, C.F.R., etc. Blind obedience...without questioning and cross-examination...is extremely dangerous. Question Authority. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABfZ2UsvWtY&feature=related

    Constitutional Theocracy: http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Constitutional-theocracy

    "Constitutional Theocracy is a form of government in which within the context of a modern democracy a particular religion is granted a central role in the legal and political system. In contrast to a pure theocracy, power resides in political figures operating within the bounds of a constitution, rather than religious leadership. A form of government (also referred to as a system of government or a political system) is a system composed of various people, institutions and their relations in regard to the governance of a state. ... Theocracy is a form of government in which a religion and the government are intertwined..."

    Could the United States of America be under a Constitutional Theocracy presently? Could the United States of America have always been under such a Constitutional Theocracy? See Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution. Was the 1954 Greada treaty simply an extension of this hypothetical Constitutional Theocracy? http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/future.htm Is the U.N. Charter superceding the U.S. Constitution a further expansion of a Constitutional Theocracy?

    There's a helicopter hovering over my house as I type...and I'm not kidding! I doubt that it's because of what I'm typing...but one never knows! I make such posts with zero hostility. I simply wish to place light on the subject.

    Please consider this thread http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=206737#post206737 in the context of the United States of the Solar System...regarding Battlestar Galactica and the United Nations. I was very impressed. This is a step in the right direction.

    Could the Cylons be the equivalent of the Reptilians. If so...are there theocratic implications? The Cylons were monotheistic. Is Battlestar Galactica really the story of Human Beings (us) coming to Earth? Is Battlestar Galactica really Nibiru, the Moon, and/or the Ark of the Covenant? If so...what was the covenant? Did we have to cut a deal with the Devil to come to Earth? If so...did that deal involve the servitude to, and worship of, the Reptilian Race...who might own and operate the Solar System...and be the Gods of a Universal Chruch? Are we presently trying to back out of that deal? Could this be why there is all the talk about 'Earth Changes', '2012', the 'New World Order', etc? If all of the above is true...what would convince the Reptilians to adopt Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom as the Modus Operandi of the Solar System? Who knows? The Shadow Government? Lord Draco? Lucifer? Hathor? Amen Ra? Jesus Christ?

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    This article is about the fictional beings in Battlestar Galactica. For related meanings, see Cylon.

    A model of a new series Cylon Centurion. The Cylons are a cybernetic civilization at war with the Twelve Colonies of humanity in the Battlestar Galactica science fiction franchise, in the original 1978 and 1980 series, the 2003 reimagining, as well as the spin-off prequel series, Caprica. In the 1978 series, the Cylons is also the name of the race (Reptilians?) who created the robot Cylons (Greys, Hybrids, PLF'S?).

    The nature and origins of Cylons differ greatly between the two Galacticas. However both series feature Cylon Raiders, Cylon Basestars and Cylon Centurions. The prequel series, Caprica, focuses on the creation of the Cylons, which differs from all the previous Battlestar Galactica series.

    Main article: Cylon (1978)
    The Cylons of the 1978/1980 series are not the mechanical foils seen throughout the series, but an advanced reptilian race who created the robots (who were referred to as Cylons within the show) to serve them, maintain their vast empire and to man their military forces in the face of a sudden population drop that eventually led to the Cylons' extinction — seemingly overnight. This fact is briefly mentioned in the 1978 movie-length premier of the series (near the end of episode 2 in syndication) when Apollo relates the Cylons' origin to Boxey. In the episode "War of the Gods", during Count Iblis's private discourse with Count Baltar, Baltar mentions that he recognizes Iblis's voice, referring to Patrick Macnee's voicing of the Imperious Leader in the opening episode/theatrical movie (Macnee also played Iblis), with Iblis countering that if that was true it must have been "transcribed" over a thousand yahren (years) ago and programmed into the mechanical body of the Imperious Leader.

    The follow-up series Galactica 1980 had a two-episode arc entitled "The Night the Cylons Landed" that featured a humanoid Cylon, though unlike its successors in the post-millennial reimagining, it was not organic, but a complex mechanical construct.

    The Cylons of the 2003 miniseries and 2004 Battlestar Galactica series are fundamentally different from the Cylons of the original 1978/1980 series. In the new version, the Cylons were created by humans as cybernetic workers and soldiers. As in the original series, the Cylons destroy almost the entire human civilization, chasing a few ship-borne survivors into deep space. Unlike the original series, however, the reimagined series includes twelve Cylon models that are nearly indistinguishable from human beings. Although these human-form Cylons are the focus of the series, alongside the humanoid models there are also Centurions similar to those in the original series. Much of the Cylons' technology is based heavily on bioengineering and/or synthetic biology rather than conventional robotics. Humans often derisively refer to Cylons as "toasters," due to the resemblance of the Cylon centurions from the first Human/Cylon war (the design of which is based on that of the centurions from the original series) to "walking chrome toasters", as described by Gaius Baltar in the miniseries. The humanoid models are referred to as "skin-jobs" to differentiate the two variants.

    In contrast to the reason for the original Cylons' genocidal mission, religion is the primary motivation of the Cylon race in the re-imagined series. They consider humans to be sinful and flawed creations who therefore do not deserve to survive. In the original series the Cylons, an aggressively expanding empire, declared war on Humanity because they intervened on behalf of a race of beings called the Hasaris who had been enslaved by the Cylons and who had sought the aid of the Colonials.

    In the reimagined series universe, the term Cylon stands for Cybernetic Lifeform Node.[1]

    ^ http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=62495

    Less than 20 people have posted on this thread...and it seems that only about half of them have been supportive of the concepts of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom and the United States of the Solar System. It seems to me that the Powers That Be and the Custodians of the New World Order have very little to worry about. Jordan Maxwell is probably 100% correct. The New World Order seems to be a Fait Accompi. Resistance is Futile.

    "Most people do not really want freedom, because freedom involves responsibility, and most people are frightened of responsibility." -- Sigmund Freud

    :roll1::wall::sweatdrop::shocked::zip::lightsabre:

    Thank-you Initiate. It may sound crazy...but my only hope at this point...is for the Powers That Be...and that includes the Vatican, the Illuminati, the Pleiadians, the Sirians, the Aldebarans, the Nibiruans, the Draconians, Hollywood, New York, the City of London, et al...to choose to do the right thing...and implement something like Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom from the top down. Otherwise...I frankly don't see it happening. Just giving people the facts won't cut it. Edwin Bernays and Sigmund Freud were absolutely correct in their cynical views concerning the general public. The Awake and Aware don't seem to care...so do you really think that Joe the Plumber is going to give a rat's @$$?? A Solar System Exorcism would be a Hail Mary solution...but I wouldn't count on it. A popular uprising would just get a lot of people hurt and killed...and would solidify the power and authority of the existing PTB. In fact...they may be hoping for a popular uprising...to provide an excuse for executing the finishing touches of total tyranny and enslavement. Then Disclosure can safely occur...wherein we will meet our Extraterrestrial Gods and Goddesses...who undoubtedly will suggest that we kneel...in no uncertain terms.

    Matthew 23

    1.Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
    2."The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
    3.So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
    4.They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
    5."Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long;
    6.they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
    7.they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.'
    8."But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
    9.And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
    10.Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
    11.The greatest among you will be your servant.
    12.For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
    13."Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
    15."Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.
    16."Woe to you, blind guides! You say, 'If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
    17.You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
    18.You also say, 'If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
    19.You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
    20.Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
    21.And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
    22.And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
    23."Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
    24.You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
    25."Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
    26.Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
    27."Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
    28.In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
    29."Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
    30.And you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
    31.So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
    32.Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
    33."You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
    34.Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
    35.And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
    36.I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
    37."O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
    38.Look, your house is left to you desolate.
    39.For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "


    I appreciate that Gnosis5. I don't read the Bible very much...and I don't go to church anymore. I think a lot about meaning of life stuff...but I overdosed on scripture and church in the past...so I draw upon my memory banks when considering a lot of the subjects I rant and rave about.

    I love theology...but not in the context of most churches. I love choirs, pipe organs, and sacred music...but not in the context of most church services. I'm too idealistic...and I know too much...to be able to enjoy church attendance...at this point.

    I think people should study theology and listen to sacred music...in the context of nature...which is more beautiful than the most elaborate cathedral. A theological/political solution will emerge...which wil be a sort of secular spirituality...which will be balanced and highly ethical...and will rely heavily on subjects which presently seem to be science fiction.

    I think we're going to make it...but we may go into tyranny for awhile...while we work out the internal conflicts resulting from disclosure...with all of it's implications and ramifications.

    PLEASE watch this video where Battlestar Galactica Meets the United Nations. http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5534741958288968182&ei=jW0uS4rWGs_Q-Aab9NXUAw&q=old+movies&hl=en#docid=5280005988835138050 This is the sort of thing which should occur each and every day at the United Nations. I really was impressed with this special program. Also, see post #129 above.

    I'm thinking there is a Human God of This World (Lucifer?)...and a Reptilian God of This World (Satan?)...with a real zoo of Human and Reptilian Gods and Goddesses throughout the Universe...all separate and distinct from the Founders, Ancients, Creator God(s) of the Universe. I'm also thinking that all of the religions of the world...go back to Ancient Egypt...have a common author...and are a mixture of truth and error. Despite the absurdities and horrors of this world...could this be as good as it gets in the present Universe? If the Human and Reptilian Gods of This World agreed to jointly institute Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom throughout the Solar System...what would the implications and ramifications be throughout the Universe? Would the Empire Strike Back? Or...would it be Morning in the Universe? Are the Humans and Reptilians who are 'out there' a lot worse than the ones who are here on Earth? I know that's hard to imagine...and I hope it ain't so. I'm sensing a history of Regressive Human and Reptilian Theocracies...going back millions or billions of years. Could this present generation be the last generation to exist under a Regressive Theocracy or Universal Church? Hope springs eternal. As always...this is simply brainstorming intuitive conjecture...and in need of a helluva lot of further study. The people we love to hate may not have a lot of choices regarding what goes on at the highest levels of Earth's Governments and Religions...which are very possibly secretly intertwined...and taking orders from a Nine-Foot Tall Draconian Reptilian...under the Giza Plateau or the Dark Side of the Moon. I hope that's just another Big-Foot story! Say it isn't so Lord Draco!!

    PLEASE watch this video where Battlestar Galactica Meets the United Nations. http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5534741958288968182&ei=jW0uS4rWGs_Q-Aab9NXUAw&q=old+movies&hl=en#docid=5280005988835138050 This is the sort of thing which should occur each and every day at the United Nations. I really was impressed with this special program. Also, see post #129 above.

    The first part of the linked video clip...which contains a segment from BSG (beginning @ 07:00)...states that THE CYLONS (REPTILIANS?) WERE A HUMAN INVENTION THAT EVOLVED, AND DESTROYED THEIR CREATORS...AND THAT THE LAST SURVIVING HUMANS ESCAPED ON BATTLESTAR GALACTICA...IN SEARCH OF A NEW HOME ON EARTH. Is this representative of OUR history...and why we are in such a big @#$%^&* mess???
    Who owns and operates this Solar System? More to the point: Who owns YOU? Who REALLY runs YOUR life? Regarding the last several posts: Are WE the equivalent of the Cylons? Did we evolve and destroy our creator(s)? The state or fate of the Founders/Ancients/Creator God(s) is crucial to our state or fate. You can ignore or dislike me...but do not ignore the issues and questions of this thread. Are there no exopoliticians out there? What the hell is going on here?

    Considering all of the possibilities from all angles all the time is probably a good idea. Leave no moonrock unturned.

    Memorable quotes for "Battlestar Galactica" (2003) More at IMDbPro » http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0314979/quotes Note especially the last part of these show-quotes. I'm trying to jazz this thread up to try to get some discussion going.

    Laura Roslin: I don't know why I have to keep telling you this, but the war is over.
    Adama: It hasn't begun yet.
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    Helo: Aren't you Gaius Baltar?
    Baltar: I haven't done anything.
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    [Starbuck's in the brig]
    Apollo: What's the charge this time?
    Starbuck: Striking a superior *******.
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    Adama: Sol, take personal command of the DC units.
    Tigh: [Looks incredulous] Me?
    Lt. Felix Gaeta: [to Adama] Sir, the stern thruster's still locked open. We need you.
    Adama: [Still to Tigh] You're either the XO, or you're not.
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    [first spoken lines in the show]
    Number Six: Are you alive?
    Boxey's Father: Yes.
    Number Six: Prove it.
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    Apollo: Are you sure this is a good idea?
    Starbuck: No... not really.
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    Adama: [watching Dualla and Keikeya flirting across the bridge] They better start having babies.
    Tigh: Is that an order?
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    [Talking to Starbuck over the radio]
    Adama: Morning, Starbuck, what do you hear?
    Starbuck: Nothin' but the rain.
    Adama: Grab your gun and bring the cat in.
    Starbuck: Aye-aye, sir.
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    Baltar: So now you're telling me, um, now you're telling me you're a machine?
    Number Six: I'm a woman.
    Baltar: You're a machine. You're a synthetic woman, a robot.
    Number Six: I've said it three times now.
    Baltar: Well, forgive me, I'm having the tiniest little bit of trouble believing that because the last time anybody saw the Cylons they looked more like walking chrome toasters.
    Number Six: Those models are still around. They have their uses.
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    [to a baby she later kills]
    Number Six: There, there. It's okay. You're not gonna have to cry much longer.
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    Number Six: What are you doing?
    Baltar: Phoning my attorney.
    Number Six: That won't be necessary.
    Baltar: Nah, he'll know what to do. He'll sort this out. He's the best in the business.
    Number Six: It won't be necessary because in a few hours no one will be left to charge you with anything.
    Baltar: What exactly are you saying?
    Number Six: Humanity's children are returning home. Today.
    [a nuclear detonation flares in the distance]
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    [his decommissioning speech]
    Adama: The Cylon War is long over, yet we must not forget the reasons why so many sacrificed so much in the cause of freedom. The cost of wearing the uniform can be high, but...
    [very long pause]
    Adama: sometimes it's too high. You know, when we fought the Cylons, we did it to save ourselves from extinction. But we never answered the question "Why?" Why are we as a people worth saving? We still commit murder because of greed and spite, jealousy, and we still visit all of our sins upon our children. We refuse to accept the responsibility for anything that we've done, like we did with the Cylons. We decided to play God, create life. And when that life turned against us, we comforted ourselves in the knowledge that it really wasn't our fault, not really. You cannot play God then wash your hands of the things that you've created. Sooner or later, the day comes when you can't hide from the things that you've done anymore.
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    [on the Galactica's 1-MC after news of the attack came in]
    Adama: This is the Commander. Moments ago, this ship received word of a Cylon attack against our homeworlds is under way. We do not know the size or the disposition or the strength of the enemy forces, but all indications point to a massive assault against Colonial defenses. Admiral Nagala has taken personal command of the Fleet aboard the battlestar Atlantia following the complete destruction of Picon Fleet Headquarters in the first wave of the attacks. "How? Why?" doesn't really matter now. What does matter is that as of this moment, we are at war. You've trained for this. You're ready for this. Stand to your duties, trust your fellow shipmates, and we'll all get through this. Further updates as we get them. Thank you.
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    Adama: We're in a shooting war. We need something to shoot.
    Tigh: I'll start checking munitions depots.
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    [looting the display Viper Mk.2s from the museum for combat duty]
    Starbuck: You sure they'll fly?
    Tyrol: Well, the reactor's still hot, so all we have to do is pull the rad buffers from the engine, refuel it, load the ordnance, and you're ready to go. The biggest problem is getting them over to the port launch bay.
    Starbuck: Why can't we use the starboard launch?
    Tyrol: It's a gift shop now.
    Starbuck: Frack me.
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    Apollo: Sir, "Apollo"'s just my call sign. My name's Lee Adama.
    Laura Roslin: I know who you are, but "Captain Apollo" has a nice ring to it, don't you think?
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    [a hallucinatory Number Six has shown Baltar an odd device on the DRADIS display console in the Galactica's CIC]
    Baltar: You're not helping.
    Number Six: I'm sorry. How can I help?
    Baltar: Well, for a start you can tell me what that is.
    Number Six: Honestly, I don't know.
    Baltar: Well, it hasn't exploded.
    Number Six: Yet.
    [Baltar gives her a shocked look]
    Number Six: I'm just guessing.
    Baltar: I have to warn them.
    Number Six: How do you propose to do that? "Oh look, a Cylon device." "Really? Well, how do you know what a Cylon device looks like, Doctor?" "Oh, I forgot to mention I'm familiar with their technology because I've been having sex with a Cylon for the last two years now."
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    Starbuck: Permission to speak off the record, sir?
    Tigh: Granted.
    Starbuck: You're a *******.
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    Laura Roslin: There's no Earth. You made it all up. President Adar and I once talked about the legends surrounding Earth. He knew nothing about a secret location regarding Earth, and if the President knew nothing about it, what are the chances that you do?
    Adama: You're right. There's no Earth. It's all a legend.
    Laura Roslin: Then why?
    Adama: Because it's not enough to just live. You have to have something to live for. Let it be Earth.
    Laura Roslin: They'll never forgive you.
    Adama: Maybe. But in the meantime I've given all of us a fighting chance to survive. And isn't that what you said was the most important thing, the survival of the human race?
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    Starbuck: I thought you were dead.
    Apollo: Well, I thought you were in hack.
    Starbuck: It's - it's good to be wrong.
    Apollo: Well, you should be used to it by now.
    Starbuck: Everyone has a skill.
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    Apollo: [to Starbuck] You are beyond insane!
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    Apollo: [both of their Vipers are attached together while trying to land on the Galactica] We're coming in a little hot, don't you think?
    Starbuck: [lying] No, not really.
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    Tigh: Where's your mother?
    Boxey: Dead. Where's yours?
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    [Number Six has just informed Baltar that she has used the access he has given her to the Defense Mainframe in order to commit espionage]
    Baltar: I had nothing to do with this. You know I had nothing to do with this.
    Number Six: You have an amazing capacity for self-deception. How do you do that?
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    Aaron Doral: [the Cylons cut through the doors to Ragnar Anchorage, and a crowd of humanoid Cylon copies walk through to find the Doral-copy Adama stranded there] We have to get out of this storm. The radiation affects our silica relays.
    Leoben Conoy: Where did they go?
    Aaron Doral: I don't know. They were prepared for a big jump.
    Aaron Doral: [a second copy of Doral in the Cylon crowd] We can't let them go.
    Number Six: Hmm, unfortunately I agree.
    Leoben Conoy: [a second copy of Conoy] If we do, they'll return one day and take revenge
    Number Six: [a second copy of Number Six] It's in their nature.
    Aaron Doral: We have no choice.
    Leoben Conoy: [a third copy of Conoy] It may take several decades to track them down.
    Lt. Sharon 'Boomer' Valerii: [Boomer walks into the room. Boomer is a Cylon] Don't worry, we'll find them.
    Number Six: By your command.
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    Captain of Colonial Heavy 798: Geminion liner 1701, this is Colonial Heavy 798.
    Captain of Colonial Heavy 798: [realizes that the newly-vowed president is behind him] No, strike that. This is Colonial One.
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    Adama: [sensing despair at the funeral service after the battle at Ragnor] Are they the lucky ones? That's what you're thinking, isn't it? We're a long way from home. We've jumped way beyond the Red Line into uncharted space. Limited supplies. Limited fuel. No allies. And now no hope! Maybe it would have been better for us to have died quickly back on the colonies with our families instead of dying out here slowly in the emptiness of dark space. Where shall we go? What shall we do? "Life here began out there". Those are the first words of the sacred scrolls. And they were told to us by the Lords of Kobol many countless centuries ago. And they made it perfectly clear that we are not alone in this universe. Elosha, there's a 13th colony of humankind, is there not?
    Priest Elosha: Yes. The scrolls tell us a 13th tribe left Kobol in the Early Days. They traveled far and made their home upon a planet called Earth, which circled a distant and unknown star.
    Adama: It's not unknown. I know where it is! Earth - the most guarded secret we have. The location was only known by the senior commanders of the fleet, and we dared not share it with the public. Not while there was a Cylon threat upon us. For now we have a refuge to go to. A refuge that the Cylons know nothing about! It won't be an easy journey. It will be long and arduous. But I promise you one thing. On the memory of those lying here before you, we shall find it. And Earth will become our new home. So say we all!
    Galactica Crew: So say we all!
    Adama: [louder] So say we all!
    Galactica Crew: So say we all!
    Adama: [very much louder] So say we all!
    Galactica Crew: [louder] So say we all!
    Adama: [standing at attention with the crew] So say we all.
    Priest Elosha: So say we all.

    President Ronald Wilson Reagan invigorated both Democrats and Republicans with a message of freedom and limited government! Remember the “Reagan Democrats?” Here is what Ronald Reagan had to say about freedom and government, “…man is not free unless government is limited. There's a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: As government expands, liberty contracts.”

    Americans have been conditioned to believe that democracy equals freedom. But democracy means majority rule, and may be antagonistic to freedom. A republic protects pre-existing rights. Our founding fathers clearly understood this, as is revealed in the Constitution and the Federalist Papers. Democracy is not mentioned in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. Our form of government is a republic, not a democracy!

    Freedom is freedom from government coercion. Our founding fathers created the least coercive government in history! The Constitution provides for a limited, decentralized government to primarily engage in foreign diplomatic relations, to secure national boundaries, and to provide a military defense of these boundaries. In other words...to deal with threats from without. The states were given the responsibility of primarily protecting individuals against criminal activity...to deal with threats from within. Uniquely, our government was created to protect the rights, liberties, and property of its citizens. The founding fathers believed that a democracy could quickly degenerate into tyranny!

    According to the Constitution, redistribution of wealth is none of the government's business! Hands off! Well meaning liberals support taking money from one person and giving it to another through taxation! If it’s not voluntary…it‘s stealing! Liberals believe in a God-like government which exists to create heaven on earth. This creates a hell of a mess! Liberals once defended civil, political, and economic liberties. What happened?

    Conservatives seek national greatness through all-powerful military and industrial strength. This creates a complex problem! Neo-conservatives are eager to create a one-world police state. Is this assessment inaccurate and unfair? Our military is in 130 countries! We are spending trillions of dollars overseas to violently promote democracy! Do the math!

    A theocracy is a constitutional theocracy on steroids! No freedom here. Not even the illusion of freedom. Believe and do what the state-church says God says...or face persecution...including death! The teachings of Jesus Christ reveal a minimalistic, decentralized religion. Certainly not a monolithic, dogmatic, dictatorial, arrogant union of Christ-less Christianity with a New World Order!

    America is a republic, not a democracy! We need to remember that the Constitution places limits on government that no majority can overrule. Both liberals and conservatives have forgotten this! Conveniently? No…they wouldn’t do that…would they?

    It seems to me that there has been a single God or Goddess of This World from before our arrival here...right up to this very moment. I'm leaning toward Goddess. Why couldn't a single being manifest as different beings? I think Lucifer got us all here...for the right or wrong reasons...for better or for worse...and then ruled secretly through Gods, Goddesses, Religions, Governments, etc. I get the feeling that the Reptilians look over Lucifer's shoulder...and tell him or her what to do to a significant degree. There could be a very tangled hierarchical web. Ignorance is probably bliss regarding this subject. I don't think there are very many of us who could handle the full impact of the situation we may be in. I want the Reptilians to back-off...and Lucifer to retire. I want We the People of Earth to rule ourselves responsibly and sovereignly...and for the Reptilians to do likewise. Then perhaps we can constructively interact on a limited basis. This might be a new beginning...but I don't know what the hell I'm talking about or what the hell I'm doing. I don't really know that Reptilians even exist. I've never met one...that I know of...although I have encountered unseen intelligences capable of manipulating physical objects. But they didn't introduce themselves...and I didn't really want them to either.

    1. http://www.fancast.com/tv/Stargate-SG-1/91998/1063988439/The-Torment-of-Tantalus/videos
    2. http://www.hulu.com/watch/68254/stargate-sg-1-the-fifth-race
    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmwKws5JaIM&feature=related
    4. http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/rellis.htm
    5. http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/rellis2.htm
    6. http://www.hulu.com/watch/62967/stargate-sg-1-hathor
    7. http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5534741958288968182&ei=jW0uS4rWGs_Q-Aab9NXUAw&q=old+movies&hl=en#docid=5280005988835138050

    Are Lucifer/Eve/Hathor/Isis/Mary all the same being? The Goddess of This World? The Hybrid Mediatrix Between the Reptilian (God) and Human (Man) Races? Theanthropos? The script-writer for all of the major religions? Are we merely actors and actresses on a stage called 'Earth: Theater of the Universe'? Were William Shakespere's works written by Francis Bacon? Or were they written by the Goddess of This World? Does a Reptilian/Human Theocracy exist throughout the Universe? Is this the Universal Church? Was the Original Sin committed in Lyra? What was this Original Sin? Did the Human Race Create the Reptilian Race as a Slave Race...and demand Work and Worship? Did the Reptilian Race evolve...and rebel against the Human Race...and win? Did the Reptilian Race proceed to do to the Human Race what had been done to them? If most of the above is true...can there be a reconciliation...or would this be impossible? Could Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom be successfully implemented by both races? Could the First and Last Commandment of the Universe be 'Thou Shalt Have No Gods'? Would this signal the end of Star Wars and Masters of the Universe? Would the Empire Strike Bach?

    Damned if I know.

    [QUOTE=Gnosis5;210754][SIZE="3"]"Though shalt have no gods except yourself" Oh, that's so deliciously funny!
    [/SIZE][/QUOTE]

    In my book...self-deification is self-delusion. The Divinity Within Humanity could very possibly be the Ethical and Spiritual Epitome of the Human Collective Unconscious. I seek the Exaltation of Humanity...not the Exaltation of Myself. I generally don't trust myself or even like myself...but the best which I see in those around me...is worthy of emulation. We need to stop placing 'special' individuals on a pedestal...and begin elevating all of humanity. This is much easier said than done.

    Why is there no substantive discussion of Solar System Governance (SSG)? Is this not important? Where are the alternative proposals? I'd even welcome a hatchet-job at this point. We may not be as free as we think we are if we can't even talk about who owns and operates the Solar System...and regarding how it should be run. Are our minds that overshadowed and tweaked? I'm seeing a total blackout regarding intelligent conversion regarding a most basic and important subject. Somebody please tell me what the hell is going on! Somebody please tell me where I can find people to talk to who are interested in SSG!

    [QUOTE=Gnosis5;210894]maybe everyone is too busy planning their exit :mfr_lol:[/QUOTE]

    Thank-you Gnosis5. I think you may be right. It seems that fight and flight, greed and fear...dominates everything we think and do. I have appealed to none of these things...and have received almost no interest or response. If I had made people really, really mad at someone (like the government)...or made people really, really scared (of the aliens)...or come up with a get rich quick scheme (I'm still looking for one myself!)...or if I had lied and said that I was an Insider UFOnaut who visits the Pluto-Dudes every other day...there would probably be huge interest! Likewise...a thread about a certain part of the anatomy recently generated a massive response! This is why the PTB is kicking our collective @$$es...because they know how easy it is to manipulate us...and how shortsighted and superficial we really are...regardless of how much we delude ourselves about Ascension and Godship.

    Thank-you Gnosis5. Solving the world's problems is almost viewed with scorn. I sometimes wonder if it would be better to just be a greedy S.O.B...and then donate a million bucks to some charity...and be considered a benefactor of society. This is just a waste of time. We are probably facing unspeakable war, terrorism, and artificial bs 'earth-changes'...followed by anarchy and tyranny. I truly believe that the substance of this thread could prevent this...but my yelling that the bridge is washed out...isn't going to make people stop. They might catch a glimpse of what I was talking about...on the way down...when it's too late. "Of all the words that tongue can tell...the saddest are 'it might have been'." I may simply stop posting...sell my house...and move to a so called 'safe-place'...although I really don't think such places exist. Here is the cynical truth about ourselves. Please watch this four part BBC documentary video entitled 'The Century of the Self'...which chronicles the effect of Sigmund Freud, Edward Bernays, and others on marketing, mass manipulation, and politics...based upon the theory that the masses are dangerously irrational...and must be manipulated and controlled. http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=the+century+of+the+self&www_google_domain=www.google.com&emb=0&aq=0&oq=the+century+of+#q=the+century+of+the+self&www_google_domain=www.google.com&emb=0&aq=0&oq=the+century+of+&dur=3

    Once...while trying to promote self-governance...I received a response which did not seem to be human: "You can't rule yourselves". Part of another response was "Understand this: This is not your planet. Humans are not the most intelligent life on Earth". Maybe they were right...whoever the hell they were.

    Over and out.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:52 pm

    If what I am suggesting in this thread is ever to become a reality...the most powerful factions in the galaxy would have to agree to it. I see this as a top down evolutionary transformation...rather than a bottom up revolutionary upheaval. Ideally...no one would really notice the changes. No running in the streets. No war-crimes tribunals. No hangings. Just Key Earth Humans, Key Native Reptilians, Key Extraterrestrial Humans, and Key Extraterrestrial Reptilians agreeing to move in a new direction. For all I know...they may have been planning something like this all along. I have no idea how this transformation should occur...but I think that it's a logical next step...even if this next step takes several decades. I really don't think the Galactic PTB want to be boxed into a corner or appear to be forced to do anything. It really needs to be THEIR IDEA. I really shouldn't expect too much...too soon. This is not an original idea. It's simply a modified pre-existing good idea. Why reinvent the wheel if it is not absolutely necessary. I'm going to think and live as though the first post is a done deal. It makes so much sense to me. It is globalist...and non-nationalistic...but yet completely respecting all people...and facilitating responsible freedom. The first post really is the essence of my religious and political views...but I'd still like to see an Ecumenical Namaste Latin Mass...Celebrating the Divinity Within Humanity.

    Once again...a top down paradigm shift with all deliberate speed would be optimal. The Humans and Non-Humans in charge of the U.N. and the City States will have to make the essence of this thread THEIR IDEA...or it will be a non-starter. Once again...this thread is a test. This is only a test. I guess...for now...what I would like to see...is for RESPONSIBILITY to be placed at the center of EVERYTHING. This is the first step toward achieving a Utopian United States of the Solar System. I have noticed that President Obama has used the word Responsibility throughout his presidency...beginning with his Inaugural Address. This is a positive sign. World government is not going to change overnight. This is a complicated matter. It shouldn't have to be...but it is. Life on Earth is a very sad phenomenon in my view...but I think that it can be much better.

    A Perfected Humanity Living in a Perfected Solar System is Our Prophetic Destiny...Which WILL BE FULFILLED.

    Game playing gives life meaning. A gameless life might be a meaningless life. What would Eric Berne say? Unfortunately...the games some people play are reprehensible.

    [QUOTE=Gnosis5;212232][SIZE="3"]So it has been written. I'm starting to not identify myself with meaning or with life as meaning. Sometimes I can be drawn into the River of Life with imaginations of what the world would be like if Buddha had succeeded in populating the planet with bodhis. I see shopping malls filled with enlightened/awakened bodhis :-)

    love,
    gnosis[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

    Long ago...I went to a bookstore in Southern California called the 'Bodhi Tree'...and had an interesting conversation with someone who spoke of a purification of the Earth. Your post reminded me of this. I do think that the Earth is being purified presently...but hopefully not with a destructive purification. I'm completely opposed to fire and brimstone Armageddon scenarios...where only the elect are saved. I want everyone to make it...including the really bad guys and gals...but I really want things to get a helluva lot more ethical, balanced, and sane. Go Bodhis!!!

    Shirley Maclaine used to go to the 'Bodhi Tree'. I knew someone who worked in Hollywood who said that between scenes...Shirley looked like she was in deep thought most of the time. I thought that was interesting! I don't agree with Shirley on everything...but I admire her questing and her courage.

    Once again...I am almost begging for intelligent conversation regarding the substance of this thread. I refuse to scare people...or to make them angry...and I will not cater to people's greed or propensities toward self-exaltation. I just want to talk shop about how to best run this Solar System. I want the general public to become the New Elites...and I want the elites to clean up their acts. I would like to see the hypothetical Lucifer/Eve/Hathor/Isis/Mary aka The Goddess of This World serve as an advisor (not a dictator) to a United Nations based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom.

    Just look at the carnage and destruction of the last 100 years. This is total insanity. This world is very, very sick. Please consider the first post of this thread as a partial solution. I don't think that things will ever be easy for most of the Human Race...but I do think that the next 100 years can be a helluva lot better than the past 100 years.

    Perhaps we can imagine that we are on the Moon as we discuss Solar System Governance (SSG)...on a base (Lunar Base II) with a view of Earth. Doesn't this perspective put everything into the proper perspective? Dr. Edgar Mitchell started the 'Center for Noetic Sciences' because of viewing Earth from outer-space. We need to start thinking like the Elites...but without any corruption or hidden agendas whatsoever. We need to invite ourselves to their party...whether we or they like it or not. I refuse to sucumbe to 'Us vs Them' thinking. Think about it.

    [QUOTE=Gnosis5;213012]Yes no one with a heart cannot help but want to reach out to people. Not only as bodies, but also as spiritual beings who know they are more than just bodies.

    I guess the first thing to do is to sit down and get very realistic about what one is dealing with here on this planet. I'm supposed to write a book about how a civilization is built from the ground up, but if I start writing it might start writing me and I'm not ready for that yet.

    Thanks for the thumbs up on the bodhi scenario. The buddha I see was very much into eating well and he liked his luxuries, was not an ascetic by any means, but very very vigorous in reaching out to people and working with them to help them do their practices to reach their own bodhi state.

    I used to frequent the Bodhi Tree store in LA. Met some interesting books and people there :original:

    I think my job is to help birth people/bodhis who can in turn work with you to organize societies and perhaps cities. I don't mean going out and having 12 children (although I thought of it).

    If you said, "Hey, everybody, let's get together and talk about how we can turn this planet into a tourist center for the ETs." You know, put a very fun and body/nature oriented slant on it. A government run like a business.
    That is how my book would slant it.

    I'm only putting emphasis on the spiritual technologies because governments and civilizations and societies failed because beings could not govern themselves, much less each other. An awakened society enjoys more freedoms and needs less government. Administration and organization would be the main function of government.

    Can you imagine how exciting this planet would be for ETs to visit!!![/QUOTE]

    I want to write a book...but all I seem to be able to do is make superficial posts on the internet. I'm glad that you are thinking in terms of civilization building. I used to think that God was going to save us and take care of everything. Now I think that we will probably be lucky to survive on this planet...and even more lucky to avoid tyranny or theocracy. Who knows...we may not be capable of ruling ourselves presently. We are so damn sophisticated...but we start fighting way too easily...even within this forum, at times.

    We need to be so much more responsible...if we wish to govern ourselves. I get the theory...but in day to day living...I'm not very responsible. I just can't seem to get my act together. This reminds me of the old song lyrics 'you can't even run your own life...and I'll be damned if you'll run mine!'

    I like the idea of Intergalactic Tourism! Even Solar System Tourism would be cool! Actually...just travelling between Earth and the Moon would be out of this world! If Earth and the Moon have hidden surprises under their surfaces...and if we really do have advanced space travel technology...why couldn't this be opened up to the general public. The business potential is astronomical!

    We might possibly be Renegade Pleiadians from Aldebaran...and we may possibly have a soiled intergalactic track record...but I think that despite all of the setbacks and problems...we might be on the verge of succeeding with this Responsible Freedom thing. I'm seeing the possibility of a civil war resolution...but we may be an administrative headache...and it sounds as though ET intervention could be quite violent and tyrannical. This aspect troubles me...but this is just speculation...as usual.

    We don't have to be ascetic or retentive to be responsible. We just need to stop being corrupt and destructive. Responsibility Education from K through College should be mandatory. We should Reward Responsibility. I just want to keep visualizing a Perfected Humanity Living in a Perfected Solar System...in a very low-key manner.

    I just removed the reference to 'treaties and other sources of international law' from the preamble in the first post. Treaties and other end-runs around the Constitution have spooked me...and made me very paranoid. I wish for the focus to be on an uncorrupted form of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. An uncorrupted team of constitutional scholars should determine what an uncorrupted form would look like. I'm pretty pleased with the founding documents in the first post...but I may be missing some glaring problems. Please help me out folks. This thread is just intended to get the ball rolling...but I wonder how bad things will have to get before this thread is taken seriously. My disillusionment and disappointment is profound.

    Thank-you Gnosis5 and Magamud.

    We need a Solar System View rather than a World View or an Anatomical Black Hole View!

    A silver (or yttrium!) backed Solar System Currency (SSC) issued by non-private central banks would be optimal...I think. Responsible and constructive commerce, trade, and competition should be encouraged. Corruption should be virtually eliminated.

    I'm beginning to think that endless reincarnation is simply the way things work in the Universe. Endlessly reincarnating within this Solar System should not be something to overcome...but it should rather be considered to be a gift...the gift of life. Why do we demonize Earth and Physicality? They are both priceless treasures.

    The Refereeing and Responsible Regulation of Constructive Competition is a good thing. The GAO and SEC should be quadrupled. Hierarchies are not necessarily evil...but they often are.

    [QUOTE=Magamud;213998]Whew reincarnating on this type of planet is a workout I dont want anytime soon. I think a trip down the Akashic records to reorganize my soul for some time then a traveling celestial healer and running with the comets for a bit will do me some good too. Then after some time I will come back to this plane.

    I think mind will move matter so in that sense the currency will be knowledge and manifestation. Working within a social circle attaining what one needs from its social dynamic. Same as it is said, that a huge chunk of "karmic" energy is within your family. So a community dynamic based on attaining cosmic knowledge exchanged by energy from consciousness. Can you dig it???

    My reference with biased physicality in societal commerce is slim. It could be that technology is a barometer of nature and human symbiosis. In other words to much tech exhibits lack of awareness?? Or it just could be a plane that exist in evolution. Hence UFO's and that level of tech and cosmic knowledge. A possible example of why the lack of contact. Maybe there exists here this idea of just benevolent frequency of mind that teaches a tech based society/galaxy. So in other words everyone and I mean everyone is waiting for the Ancients to make a move. Just a thought. But back to the point, A basic level of understanding the importance of uniting/transmuting energy into liberty must be viscerally felt, allowing for corruption to barely sustain itself. Telepathy??????[/QUOTE]

    Earth is sort of a Disneyland of the Gods. John Keel would probably agree. We need challenges...and Earth is a hotbed of challenges...some of which are actually enjoyable. I would think that the Akashic Records contain some very graphic, gory, and depressing information...but there should probably be a periodic review of this vital historical collection. A comet would be cool...but Hawaii would work for me...especially in January.

    Destructive and Irresponsible Technology should be eliminated. I have more problems with Environmentally Destructive Industrialization than I do with High Technology. This world is a very dangerous mess...and the oceans are toilets. We need to clean up our act...big time.

    I hope that the Ancients or Founders still exist. I see very little evidence for their continued existence in this Solar System presently.

    Could the cosmic exchange units be considered to be Free Energy Units (FEU)?!!

    Holographic Governance and Telepathy might dovetail to form a virtually corruption-free society...but I worry about privacy and psychic bullying.

    I liked your last post Magamud. I find that I need to read your posts several times to get what you are saying. You have obviously done some serious studying.

    We are a dangerous and corrupt bunch...regardless of who is ultimately in charge...and regardless of what the spiritual realities really are. I think that the refinement process will be very painful. The more I try to advance spiritually...and the more I try to face reality...the more it hurts.
    I often find myself beating upon the rocks of infidelity...while in hot pursuit of Hathor!! :wub2:
    This is totally unrelated...but I'm thinking about going back to church. I'm not sure why. I have too many problems with every church. I think they are used to control us in an unethical manner. However...I see a big part of the solution to our dire delemma...centered in renewed and purified religion and politics...centered in the Divinity Within Humanity and Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. This would be sort of an Un-Theocracy. You can see why I call myself orthodoxymoron. I am ultra-conservative and ultra-liberal...simultaneously. I long for an ultra-purified and ultra-reformed Gizeh Intelligence, United Nations, Vatican City, City of London, and Washington DC...with no secrets and no skeletons in their closets. Hope springs eternal. Go naive dreamers! Go white-hats!

    Has anyone besides the NSA, CIA, FBI, SIS, JESUITS, ET AL seriously studied this thread? Perhaps I flatter myself with the delusion that even these groups would be even remotely interested. Perhaps the only thing that saves my sorry @$$ is the fact that no one gives a rat's @$$!

    "Give us a King!" was a very stupid thing to say. Trading Theocracy for Tyranny is not necessarily a step in the right direction. They are two sides of the same stupid coin. In a sense...this is sort of like a Zionist becoming a Teutonic Zionist!

    This little experiment is pretty much over. The results are:

    1. That the United States of the Solar System and Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom is a conceptual success. The idea makes sense...and would work splendidly.

    2. That the United States of the Solar System and Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom is a public relations failure. The response has been negligible and negative.

    3. That Sigmund Freud, Edwin Bernays, and Jordan Maxwell are correct regarding freedom, responsibility, the powers that be, influencing public opinion, and methods of manipulating the general public.

    Therefore...I am putting out a call for help...into the vast regions of space and cyber-space...to use the methods of Edwin Bernays and Madison Avenue to sell the contents of this thread to the Powers That Be (human and non-human...terrestrial and extraterrestrial)...and to the General Public (human and non-human...terrestrial and extraterrestrial)...in a manner which makes all of them believe that the contents of this thread is their idea...and is what they have always believed.

    Pragmatism must sometimes trump idealism...but ethical ends only justify ethical means...because unethical means usually mean unethical ends. Put that grass in your pot-pipe and smoke it!

    You can lead a horse to water...but you can't make it drink...or pee!

    Here is an interesting application of the word 'responsibility':

    Cabinet collective responsibility http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_collective_responsibility
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    Cabinet collective responsibility is constitutional convention in governments using the Westminster System that members of the Cabinet must publicly support all governmental decisions made in Cabinet, even if they do not privately agree with them. This support includes voting for the government in the legislature. In the United Kingdom, the doctrine applies to all members of the government, from members of the cabinet down to Parliamentary Private Secretaries. Some political parties apply the convention to their central committee. Its inner workings are set out in the Ministerial Code.

    It is related to the fact that, if a vote of no confidence is passed in parliament, the government is responsible collectively, and thus the entire government resigns. The consequence will be that a new government will be formed, or parliament will dissolve and a general election will be called. Cabinet collective responsibility is not the same as individual ministerial responsibility, which states that ministers are responsible and therefore culpable for the running of their departments.

    On occasion, this principle has been suspended; most notably in the 1930s when in Britain the National Government allowed its Liberal members to oppose the introduction of protective tariffs; and again in the 1970s, when Harold Wilson allowed Cabinet members to campaign both for and against the referendum on whether the UK should remain in the European Economic Community. In 2003, Tony Blair allowed Clare Short to stay in the cabinet, despite her public opposition to the 2003 Iraq War. However, she later resigned.

    In Canada, the cabinet is on rare occasion allowed to freely vote its conscience and to oppose the government without consequence, as occurred with the vote on capital punishment under Brian Mulroney. These events are rare and are never on matters of confidence. The most prominent Canadian cabinet minister to resign because he could not vote with the cabinet was John Turner, who refused to support wage and price controls. In Canada, party discipline is much tighter than in other Westminster-system countries; it is very rare for any MP to vote counter to the party leadership. Similarly, in Australia on occasional issues (such as the 1999 republic referendum), there may be a conscience vote where any MP may vote as they wish, but these issues are rare and never tied to official party policy, and normally party discipline is very tight as it is in Canada.

    Collective responsibility is not circumvented by appointing Ministers Outside of Cabinet,[1] as has occurred in New Zealand where, as of 2005[update], Winston Peters and Peter Dunne are Ministers Outside of Cabinet, despite their parties not being considered part of a coalition.

    [QUOTE=Magamud;216985]Im sure if a benevolent frequency needed help laying a foundational Namaste Govt they would ask you Orthodoxymoron! Thanks for your insight...[/QUOTE]

    Magamud...thank-you!

    Perhaps a benevolent frequency is unable to do anything of lasting significance regarding Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom as long as there is not a critical mass of Responsible Humanity who give a rat's @$$! I think We the People of Earth have nearly achieved a critical mass of people who desire Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom! Something is brewing! Perhaps a Solar System Exorcism is brewing! Malevolents...Be afraid! Be very afraid!!!

    As I see it...the foundation is found spiritually and conceptually in the Teachings of Jesus...and constitutionally in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. I had nothing to do with this foundation. I'm merely shining a bright light on it.

    According to at least one source...there are at least 119 million ET's surrounding Earth at this very moment...yet we don't seem to be the least bit interested in who owns and operates this Solar System...or regarding Solar System Governance. Why?

    [QUOTE=Initiate;217641]Hi Ortho,

    I don't get the energy that you do off Magamud's post. You have indeed invested a lot of energy into this subject. And my take is that Magamud saw this and was stating that if (when) the guardians of the Solar System need advice then you would be an excelent source of input from the Earth Human perspective. It is also highly pluausable that at a higher level your higher self is indeed providing this input.[/QUOTE]

    Thank-you Initiate. My apologies Magamud. I have edited my post. I doubted that a 'benevolent frequency' would need anyone's advice...which may be why I responded (reacted?) as I did. I was wrong to do so...and I am very sorry. I also doubt that the guardians of the Solar System are a benevolent frequency. I could be wrong about this as well. Perhaps we are all in the best of hands...and have nothing to worry about. I haven't invested much energy at all into this subject...because there has been very little meaningful debate or dialogue...which says to me that we may be entering into an ET Theocracy in the very near future...and that I will probably be entering into a FEMA CAMP (or worse) in the very near future. Actually...we have probably been in an ET Theocracy for thousands of years...and that my reaction to the full realization of this brutal fact will probably land me in a FEMA CAMP (or worse). This tempest in a teapot is undoubtedly an exercise in futility. Resistance is futile. Abandon all hope ye who enter this Brave New Universe. Actually...entering into a Cowardly Dreamworld filled with faith, hope, and submission is a helluva lot easier.

    Please watch this four part BBC documentary video entitled 'The Century of the Self'. It chronicles the effect of Sigmund Freud, Edward Bernays, and others on marketing, mass manipulation, and politics...based upon the theory that the masses are dangerously irrational...and must be manipulated and controlled.
    http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=the+century+of+the+self&www_google_domain=www.google.com&emb=0&aq=0&oq=the+century+of+#q=the+century+of+the+self&www_google_domain=www.google.com&emb=0&aq=0&oq=the+century+of+&dur=3

    I hate to be cynical...but I am tired of being the idealistic goody-goody who is so heavenly minded that I am of no earthly good. I don't know if I can stomach the following...but perhaps there are some who can. Are there some lessons to be learned below regarding the promotion of the United States of the Solar System? Just giving people the facts in a cool, calm, and collected manner really does not seem to work. So how does one ethically promote goodness in a manner which actually works? Is there a way to positively restate the following such that it becomes a completely ethical modality of persuasion?

    THIS IS A LESSON IN HOW TO DECIEVE (CONVINCE?) THE MASSES http://www.learntoquestion.com/resou...oculation.html

    Clearly in the late 1930s, there were folks out there who thought propaganda could be dangerous. A private organization with an ambitious agenda, the Institute for Propaganda Analysis in New York, took on the Olympian task of trying to identify propaganda strategies and develop a scientific approach to its detection, along the lines of disease detection and prevention. Concerned about the difficulty of finding truth, particularly in a media-saturated wartime environment, the Institute issued a statement called the "Ten Commandments of Propaganda" in 1937. Designed to be a manual of strategies used by writers of propaganda, the Institute offered what it believed was the strategy of the propagandist:

    1. Divide and conquer.
    2. Tell the people what they want.
    3. The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it.
    4. Always appeal to the lowest common denominator.
    5. Generalize as much as possible.
    6. Use "expert" testimonial.
    7. Always refer to the "authority" of your sources.
    8. Stack the cards with "information."
    9. A confused people are easily led.
    10. Get the "plain folks" onto the "bandwagon."

    The Institute identified seven basic propaganda devices:

    Name-Calling: Giving an idea a bad or negative label, leading its audience to reject and condemn it without examining it further.

    Glittering Generality: Associating something with a word that has virtuous associations, leading its audience to accept and approve it without examining any further evidence.

    Transfer: Shifting the authority and prestige of something respected or revered to something else in order to make it more acceptable or associates disapproving language with something the propagandist wants an audience to reject.

    Testimonial: Invoking the words of someone either respected or despised to state that a particular idea, product, or person is good or bad.

    Plain Folks: Suggesting that the speaker and his ideas are good and right because they are "of the people": the "plain folks."

    Card Stacking: Layering an array of facts or falsehoods in a complex web of logic in order to make the best (or worst) case for an idea, program, or person.

    Bandwagon: Implying that everyone is doing something and that folks need to "jump on the bandwagon" and follow the crowd.

    Down with Monka!! Experimentation Without Representation!! Sorry Monka...I couldn't resist. Thank-you Initiate. I don't want to represent something which is hopelessly broken. I just want to see a proper governmental system for the Solar System in place which maximizes Responsible Freedom. I keep thinking that we are a galactic pain in the @$$...and that most of the ET's neither love us nor hate us. They probably want us to quit b!+ch!ng...and just evolve!

    I also keep thinking that we are rebels without a clue...who legitimately rebelled against something (enslavement and theocracy perhaps?)...but really $crewed things up...and ended up in worse trouble than if we had just gone with the program...so to speak.

    Now...we seem to be on the verge of blowing ourselves up, becoming enslaved by malevolent ET's, and being ruled by a really nasty theocracy. Or...with a top down silent and bloodless revolution...we could finally achieve a united and free world at peace...for the first time in our history. That's what this thread is all about.

    I'm trying to visualize more underground living and electric everything...and interplanetary tourism and industry using advanced spacecraft. I'd like to see an end to extreme wealth and poverty via Responsible Free Enterprise. I don't have a problem with interacting with other benevolent beings...no matter what they look like...or what their history is...as long as they are genuinely benevolent. It would obviously take time for everyone to get used to each other.

    This forum may be one of the first steps toward a Solar System United Nations...or whatever everyone wants to call it. I suspect that beings from throughout the Solar System...view, and even participate, on Avalon. We discuss various and sundry subjects presently...but someday we may vote...as members of a Solar System General Assembly.

    Here is another link which you might find interesting (John Rhodes): http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles38.htm

    Here's yet another speculative intellectual ejaculation resulting from the masturbation of the mind:

    What if Reptilians evolved...but not Humans? What if the entire universe was Reptilian? What if there were no Humans anywhere? What if the entire universe was a Reptilian Universal Church Theocracy? What if Humans were created as a slave race? ('Let us make man in our image') What if Lucifer (Ptah?) was the Reptilian in charge of the genetic engineering project which resulted in the creation of Human Beings? What if Humans were mistreated as slaves? What if a group of Reptilians, led by Lucifer, conspired with Humans, to kill God the Father (Ra?)...and take over 'Heaven'? What if this was the Luciferian Rebellion which led to War in Heaven...and the death of God the Father (Ra?)? What if the Reptilians loyal to God (Ra?) fought against the Luciferian Reptilians and Human Beings...driving them out of the Garden of Eden (Heaven?) What if Battlestar Moon was used to transport the Luciferian Reptilians and Humans to Aldebaran, Sirius, and Earth...while being violently pursued by Nibiru? What if Interdimensional Reptilians aka The Spirit of God aka Amen battle with Luciferian Interdimensional Reptilians and the Divinity Within Humanity aka The Holy Spirit...to regain control of the Renegade Human Race? What if the New World Order is the Kingdom of Ra? What if the Luciferian Reptilians and a select group of Humans run Earth from underground bases on Earth and the Moon? Could this be Gizeh Intelligence? Could Reptilians and Humans loyal to Ra be Zionists? Could Reptilians and Humans loyal to Lucifer be Teutonic Zionists? Could a pacifist union of both factions be Followers of Jesus? Could Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom be the solution to this ancient mess?

    How much trouble am I in now? Probably quite a bit. But once again...this is just speculation...with no inside information whatsoever. I don't think that I have seen Lucifer...but one never knows! This hypothetical being could walk down a crowded city street...and no one would notice anything out of the ordinary. This would be a 3D dudess with lots of 4D, 5D, 6D, 7D connections...I think. Think Anna in 'V'. There may be remarkable similarities. Who knows?!

    I found the following in chapter 19 of the 'Dulce Book' http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce_book.htm on the watcherfiles.com website. I don't know if this is credible...but it really made me think. If the U.S. Constitution was the central authority of the Solar System...instead of any deity or demon...no one would be worshipped, humiliated, exalted, enslaved, etc. If Lucifer is the Godess of This World (and Solar System?)...and will not relinquish power to anyone else ('if I can't have them...nobody can!')...might a constitutional ultimate authority allow this being to retire with grace? I'd really rather skip the Battle of Armageddon. Does the following description refer to Lucifer...or to Satan? I'm leaning toward Satan aka God Amen...but there might be some similarities with Lucifer...who would have to have some communication with Satan...on an ongoing basis. Does Revelation 12 describe Lucifer or Satan? The ultimate leader of the serpent race's collective or 'hive mind' is the "great red dragon", the "old serpent", "the Devil" or "Satan". Lucifer was one of the three original archangels (along with Michael and Gabriel) who each had charge over one-third of the 'angels'. Mind you...I'm hypothesizing a very dark universe...where this crazy world is as good as it gets. This is a terrifying thought to me...but what if this is reality? The horror! Could the following experience describe the being who Lucifer rebelled against?

    "One of the 'targets' to which Mr. Brown's military RV trainer sent him was the Grey aliens' collective mind, and more specifically he was instructed to search out the ultimate command or control center of the collective. Shortly after this particular experiment began [one of many], Brown found himself in an area where several Greys were working, although he did not know exactly where this was. He 'followed' the collective mind or thought-flow and found it to be absolutely massive, giving him the feeling of something unbounded, and almost universal in nature. However, he did detect a center, a definite 'heartbeat' of this massive collective matrix, into which and out from which a steady stream of information was flowing. He noticed, at one point, an unusual 'subspace' being that seemed to be directing the activities of the Greys he was observing, and discovered that the bodies of the Greys themselves were incarnated by such 'subspace' beings which apparently entered the Greys' embryonic bodies and used them as vessels to manipulate physical reality.

    Brown was then instructed to locate other of these beings who apparently controlled the Grey collective from a subspace or astral level, and found himself in an area where several of these subspace or paraphysical entities were located. As he continued towards this 'center' the number of subspace or non-corporeal beings increased until he came to a place of much activity, something like a grand central station type of area, where these beings were very active in various pursuits. He did not know exactly where this was, but noticed that the closer he came to the control 'center' the more he sensed an increasing rigid atmosphere of absolute military-like control. He came to what he sensed was the central governing center of the subspace beings' activity, and in the center of this there was another area where a "council of 10" very high-level subspace or paraphysical entities congregated. These were apparently the governing principalities who were engaged in running the whole operation. The security here was absolutely incredible.

    Then he perceived the SUPREME LEADER of this council of 10 paraphysical entities... and at about this point Courtney Brown was jerked back into his body, so to speak. He sensed that this leader had detected the presence of his own subspace, astral or magnetic body which he had projected, and had followed this RV 'intruder' back to his physical source. Brown and his trainer felt an oppressive, dark 'cloud' enter the room and it stayed there for about half a minute scrutinizing the scene. It left, apparently seeing the two RV'ers as "small frys" who were not worth wasting its time on.

    Before Brown's expulsion from the command center however, he was able to perceive for a brief moment what this being was really like. He or it was an extremely powerful being, but one with a twisted personality that was full of darkness. Apparently this being had come into conflict with another Force which it saw as its enemy. Brown sensed within this being a severe self-esteem problem, in spite of its incredible power, and because of this it had a consuming desire to be worshipped by others. Brown was confused when he sensed that these subspace beings, and in turn the Reptilians/Greys, were actually COMMANDED by this leader to engage in self-indulgent and destructive activities. This being apparently wanted his servants to use self-indulgent rewards or fear of punishment to maintain the absolute hierarchical command structure within its empire -- as well as through the rest of the subspace hierarchy, and in turn throughout the Reptilian Grey's collective 'hive' society that they completely infested.

    Brown also got the impression that it was FEAR and PRIDE -- its perceived NEED to be worshipped -- that kept this being from negotiating with its ancient enemy, and that this being was utterly desperate to maintain its very survival or existence [strange for a seemingly immortal subspace being] and chose to resort to rebellion and terrorism in a desperate attempt to take control of the situation. Brown recieved a strong impression that this being was the ultimate universal terrorist!!! (Did ET Phone Rome and Call 9/11?) Apparently because of its all-consuming ego this being would NEVER humble itself before its 'enemy', and the same might be said for most of the upper echelon of the hierarchy who depended on the praise of their fellow collaborators to maintain their illusion of self-importance.

    These beings, one might say, had long ago and of their own free-agency 'imploded' in upon themselves -- becoming 'spiritual black holes' with all-consuming appetites, absolute astral vampirial-like parasites, having extinguished all 'light' within themselves and therefore being unable to be brought back "into the light". Incapable of giving out 'light', they have become totally reprobate, devouring any and all life and innocence around them that they can possibly consume. The leader of this subspace 'collective' had long ago drawn these other dark beings into itself, like a large black star devouring other smaller ones around it. This irreversible state MIGHT not apply entirely to ALL of these "subspace" beings, as we will see later on."

    I hereby invite all beings throughout the universe to support the spirit...if not the letter...of the first post of this thread. Obviously...the details will have to be worked out by those who are much more competent than myself. I don't know the full story...but the more I research...the more enthusiastic I become regarding the first post of this thread. But this will require universal support...and will undoubtedly involve great sacrifice and hardship. I think we are all in huge trouble...throughout the universe...not just on Earth. I also think that all secrecy needs to be removed presently...and that Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom must be pursued with all deliberate speed. The gloves need to be removed...so to speak.

    Don't hate anyone...Reptilian or Human. I think that 99% are victims...and the remaining 1% are deluded or insane (and in a sense...victims as well...even though they are in charge...and may be very harsh and cruel). I think everyone is in trouble...from the top to the bottom. This universe may need a new program and a reboot. The Reptilians...who many fear (including me)...may turn out to be quite friendly...if and when there is a paradigm shift and a leadership change. Their external appearance should not be viewed predjudicially. I don't know the true nature of the Reptilians. I've never seen one (that I know of)...and I'm still not absolutely sure that they exist (although the testimonial evidence is overwhelming). This thread should not be viewed as Human vs Reptilian. In an all-out Human vs Reptilian war...I have a sneaking suspicion that humanity might cease to exist. Who knows...Benevolent Reptilians may be keeping Human Beings from becoming extinct.

    If the universal community cannot accept what is proposed in the first post of this thread as a universal modus operandi...I would only request that an exception be made for this Solar System. Give us a chance to test the concept...under quarantine...if deemed necessary. I understand that unrestrained and irresponsible freedom is highly dangerous and contageous. The qualifiers outlined in the first post of this thread should be sufficient to maintain legitimate and reasonable law and order.

    Thanks and Gratitude in Advance to the Beings of the Universe.

    [QUOTE=THEWATCHER;219387]Sounds FAR FAR too American for my liking I'm afraid, I'm not anti American but lets face it the US seem to want to control Earth, next would be space, next the universe?[/QUOTE]

    Thank-you WATCHER. I'm flattered that you posted a response. America has gotten a bad reputation...hasn't it? But please don't blame the Founding Documents. This thread is not about American Control of Anything. If that were the case...it might be better to refer to Vatican Control of Everything...Including the United States. But I don't really think that the Vatican is in control of the Vatican. If you really want to know the truth...I'm trying to liberate the Vatican...in my own small way...because until that happens...Earth will remain a Prison Planet. I am not Pro-American or Anti-Catholic. I am Pro Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the United Nations and the City States...and applied to the Solar System.

    Who were the Founders of the United States? They certainly were not Americans prior to the founding of the U.S.A. Why did the United States come into existence? Certainly not because the Old World was Heaven on Earth. Or...perhaps it was because the Old World was Heaven on Earth aka The Old World Disorder Demonic Theocracy aka One Nation Under Satan. I don't mean to be shrill...but do we really want a World Based Upon Responsible Freedom? I'm beginning to think that we don't...and that we are about to get exactly what we want. Please post viable alternatives to the first post of this thread. The water's warm. Come-on in. I really just wish to discuss Solar System Governance. It's a subject I know very little about...but which seems to me to be one of the most important subjects imaginable...especially to Earth Humans.

    Tangentially...take a look at this link to a Below Top Secret forum: http://www.belowtopsecret.com/forum/thread32073/pg3#pid2881167. I guess I equate Hathor with Ptah...based upon the Hathor episode of Stargate SG-1. In this episode...Hathor is happy when she discovers that Ra has been killed. Could Amen be the Goa'uld inside of Hathor? Lucifer rebelled against God...and waged war against God. So I put 2 and 2 together...but did I get 3, 4, 5...or what? What have I done?

    I guess I'm trying to contextually superimpose Creation, Heaven, Garden of Eden, Luciferian Rebellion, Temptation of Eve, Temptation of Christ, War in Heaven, Expulsion from Heaven, Expulsion from the Garden of Eden, the Exodus, the Bible, Ancient Mythologies, the Reptilian Phenomenon, the UFO Phenomenon, Ancient Technology, Secret Societies...and many, many more. The 20 Greatest Hints of What's Really Going On in the Universe!
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:54 pm

    Consider Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer. Are they three Reptilians at the top of a very ancient Theocratic Pyramid? What is their relation to Ra, Amen, and Ptah? Who was/is God the Father? Who was/is Jesus Christ? Who was/is the Holy Spirit? Who created Humanity? When Genesis says 'Let US make man in OUR image'...does this not imply a committee of Non-Human Beings intelligently designing Human Beings? Who owns Humanity? Who controls Humanity? Are Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer really Reptilian/Human Hybrids in Earth History? Was/is Michael really Jesus? I bet you can't guess who Lucifer was/is? And what about Gabriel? We don't hear much about Gabriel...do we? Why?

    Consider a three-way power struggle between Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer...over the ownership and control of the Human Race. Could these three factions be the three components of the Trilateral Commission...and the Trilateral Insignia seen on some "Alien" Spacecraft? I've heard that there are three major Under Ice Bases in Antarctica. Is there a common meeting place in this area where the Policy Committee of the Bilderberg Group meets to discuss our fate? What would Bill Cooper say? What would Alex Collier say?

    Think Zionism vs Teutonic Zionism. Think Kabbalists vs Nazis. Think of Jesus and His Followers (in spirit...and not in name only) trying to break up this family feud. Also think of what happens to a police officer who tries to break up a marital fight. He gets crucified. Could the World Wars really have been a couple of fire-fights in a huge ongoing Star War for the Control of the Universe?

    I have said repeatedly that I would like to have a drink with Lucifer when this thing gets resolved. But you know...I would like to have a drink with Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer when this thing gets resolved. Come to think of it...perhaps that's the only way this thing will be resolved. Actually...maybe they should smoke the peace-pipe with some really fine Acapulco Gold or some Mauwi Wowie!

    Seriously...in the Stargate SG-1 episode titled 'The Fifth Race' http://www.hulu.com/watch/68254/stargate-sg-1-the-fifth-race ...an Asgard Alien describes four races (with one no longer present - the Ancients)...and describes Humanity as being the 'Fifth Race'. Could we possibly be dealing with four Reptilian races represented by Ra, Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer...with Ra no longer physically present...but represented by Amen aka The Goa'uld aka "The Hidden God"? Are Gabriel, Michael, Lucifer, and Humanity really Sons and Daughters of God (Ra)? When the Vatican refers to Aliens as being "Our Brothers"...they might not be kidding or using a euphemistic figure of speech. If Amen manifests as Interdimensional Reptilians Who Hate Humans...could this hatred arise from the brutal gang of facts that the Creation of Man is what caused War in Heaven and the Extermination of Ra's Race?

    What is the true nature of the soul? If there are five races (three Physical Reptilian, one Human, and one Interdimensional Reptilian)...do all of these races draw from the same Well of Souls? Are Humans quite literally possessed by the Souls of the Ancients? Do we possess the Knowledge of the Ancients...much of which we are not evolved enough to handle? Is this why we have been genetically detuned...and are only able to use a small percentage of our brain capacity? Is this why we do not remember our past lives? Perhaps we have "Great Potential" but "Have Much to Prove." We're not doing too good...are we?

    I wonder as I wander through inner-space and cyber-space. Perhaps someday 'they' will allow me to wander through outer-space...but I just felt my choke-chain tighten...and I thought I heard 'Bad Human'!

    On a more positive note! Philadelphia Freedom! :wub2: I Love You!

    1. Turkey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uVZq0Xr6dc

    2. Australia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNuDu767Qsw&feature=related

    3. England: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VerDC7gRsmw&feature=related

    4. Italy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u5V3Ordy2Y&feature=PlayList&p=35C2F628717B70FE&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=44

    5. United States: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55eQvRVzebQ&feature=related

    6. Switzerland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpJaIWZKpGA&feature=related

    7. Canada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmFR2FGvgSM&feature=related

    8. Korea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l91Wv1rIJqw&feature=related

    9. Poland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdXwF_mzjkY&feature=related

    Thank-you Elton John!

    I used to be a rolling stone
    You know if the cause was right
    I'd leave to find the answer on the road
    I used to be a heart beating for someone
    But the times have changed
    The less I say the more my work gets done

    `Cause I live and breathe this Philadelphia freedom
    From the day that I was born I've waved the flag
    Philadelphia freedom took me knee-high to a man
    Yeah gave me peace of mind my daddy never had

    Oh Philadelphia freedom shine on me, I love you
    Shine a light through the eyes of the ones left behind
    Shine a light shine a light
    Shine a light won't you shine a light
    Philadelphia freedom I love you, yes I do

    If you choose to you can live your life alone
    Some people choose the city
    Some others choose the good old family home
    I like living easy without family ties
    Till the whippoorwill of freedom zapped me
    Right between the eyes

    OK...I'm gonna talk out of both sides of my mealy speculative mouth. Here's another 'what-if?' adventure:

    What if Humans and Reptilians evolved simultaneously...and genetically manipulated each other (mutual manipulation:naughty:)...and eventually ended up in a Human controlled Universal Theocracy...with Humans as the Gods...and Reptilians as the Angels? What if God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit were a Human Trinity...with the Father and Son being individuals...and the Holy Spirit being the Divinity Within Humanity (the souls in each person)? What if the Reptilian Race had a Shadow Trinity...consisting of Lucifer, Michael, and Gabriel...or Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? The Humans would be both physical and non-physical. The Reptilians would be both physical and non-physical.

    What if the Reptilians got sick and tired of this Theocratic BS...and Lucifer led a rebellion against the Human Race...which exploded into the War in Heaven...killing the Human God the Father? What if a third of the Human Race was taken as hostages and slaves (perhaps deceived)...some (or all) of whom ended up on Earth...under the rulership of the Reptilian Lucifer?

    I really started out with this general theory...before exploring other options. The one thing that remains the same...is that we need to get past the Master/Slave and Corruption/Violence BS. Otherwise...I'm pretty darn easy. Perhaps too easy. Sometimes I feel like the Kumbaya Olive Branch of the Gizeh Intelligence.

    I'm asking you to look at a Human Trinity from all angles...and to look at a Reptilian Trinity from all angles. Look at all of the possibilities regarding the evolution/creation of both races. And finally to look at Church and State...and the subjects of Theocracy and Democracy...from all angles.

    What would a Reptilian Trinity vs Human Trinity conflict look like? There would be a lot of confusion and deception...wouldn't there? None of the mythologies or theologies could really be trusted...could they? We can't really trust anyone or anything...can we? We just have to keep digging...keep asking questions...and keep speculating...without becoming enraged or going insane. What fun!

    Here is one version of a resolution of the mess we are in...written by Ellen White...in the late 1800's...in a book titled 'The Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan':


    "I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it." Revelation 21:22. The people of God are privileged to hold open communion with the Father and the Son. "Now we see through a glass, darkly." 1 Corinthians 13:12

    We behold the image of God reflected, as in a mirror, in the works of nature and in His dealings with men; but then we shall see Him face to face, without a dimming veil between. We shall stand in His presence and behold the glory of His countenance. {GC 676.4}

    There the redeemed shall know, even as also they are known. The loves and sympathies which God Himself has planted in the soul shall there find truest and sweetest exercise. The pure communion with holy beings, the harmonious social life with the blessed angels and with the faithful ones of all ages who have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb, the sacred ties that bind together "the whole family in heaven and earth" (Ephesians 3:15)--these help to constitute the happiness of the redeemed. {GC 677.1}

    There, immortal minds will contemplate with never-failing delight the wonders of creative power, the mysteries of redeeming love. There will be no cruel, deceiving foe to tempt to forgetfulness of God. Every faculty will be developed, every capacity increased. The acquirement of knowledge will not weary the mind or exhaust the energies. There the grandest enterprises may be carried forward, the loftiest aspirations reached, the highest ambitions realized; and still there will arise new heights to surmount, new wonders to admire, new truths to comprehend, fresh objects to call forth the powers of mind and soul and body. {GC 677.2}

    All the treasures of the universe will be open to the study of God's redeemed. Unfettered by mortality, they wing their tireless flight to worlds afar--worlds that thrilled with sorrow at the spectacle of human woe and rang with songs of gladness at the tidings of a ransomed soul. With unutterable delight the children of earth enter into the joy and the wisdom of unfallen beings. They share the treasures of knowledge and understanding gained through ages upon ages in contemplation of God's handiwork. With undimmed vision they gaze upon the glory of creation--suns and stars and systems, all in their appointed order circling the throne of Deity. Upon all things, from the least to the greatest, the Creator's name is written, and in all are the riches of His power displayed. {GC 677.3}

    And the years of eternity, as they roll, will bring richer and still more glorious revelations of God and of Christ. As knowledge is progressive, so will love, reverence, and happiness increase. The more men learn of God, the greater will be their admiration of His character. As Jesus opens before them the riches of redemption and the amazing achievements in the great controversy with Satan, the hearts of the ransomed thrill with more fervent devotion, and with more rapturous joy they sweep the harps of gold; and ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands of thousands of voices unite to swell the mighty chorus of praise. {GC 678.1}

    "And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever." Revelation 5:13. {GC 678.2}

    The great controversy is ended. Sin and sinners are no more. The entire universe is clean. One pulse of harmony and gladness beats through the vast creation. From Him who created all, flow life and light and gladness, throughout the realms of illimitable space. From the minutest atom to the greatest world, all things, animate and inanimate, in their unshadowed beauty and perfect joy, declare that God is love." {GC 678.3}


    You can change the names...but the master/slave game gets played over and over and over again. Aristocracy, Monarchy, Theocracy, Dictatorship, Slavery. Take your pick. The Monarchical Episcopate and the Divine Right of Kings is a real peach! Whoever genetically engineered Humanity gave us free will. But who knows what happened after that? One can put together a million scenarios...and they might all be wrong.

    I'm going to try to focus on The United States of the Solar System thread. Even if it's 90% wrong...I still think this is a productive topic to consider. I want to spend a lot of time thinking about a Perfected Humanity living in a Perfected Solar System. I want to envision Utopia. I don't want to go to Heaven. I want to help create Heaven right here in this Solar System. But I don't want a Theocratic Heaven...other than a Secular Sprituality Based Upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom.

    I will not allow Ancient Race Wars, Star Wars, and Masters of the Universe to dictate the fate of this Solar System.

    World Without End. Almond Raw.

    I'm going to attempt to turn this thread into my religion. I realize that will probably make the very few who are the least bit sympathetic toward me and my delusions of grandeur...lose all patience and interest. Religion seems to not be generally well thought of in Avaland...especially if one looks at my threads! But what I am referring to is a very humanistic and minimalist religion (or un-theocracy...if you will). The distinctions are subtle...yet huge. I don't want to treat this subject as a classic political debate. I wish to give it a softer devotional quality. I'm not sure where this will lead...but by attempting to solve my spiritual problems...perhaps other people (and Reptilians?) can benefit in some way. I'm going to start by listening to each of the links to 'Philadelphia Freedom' by Elton John...and simply meditate on the general topic of 'Freedom'.

    1. Turkey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uVZq0Xr6dc

    2. Australia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNuDu767Qsw&feature=related

    3. England: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VerDC7gRsmw&feature=related

    4. Italy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u5V3Ordy2Y&feature=PlayList&p=35C2F628717B70FE&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=44

    5. United States: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55eQvRVzebQ&feature=related

    6. Switzerland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpJaIWZKpGA&feature=related

    7. Canada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmFR2FGvgSM&feature=related

    8. Korea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l91Wv1rIJqw&feature=related

    9. Poland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdXwF_mzjkY&feature=related

    Greetings and Salutations to the Beings of the Universe!

    Please consider the following emotional expression of attempted understanding and intent. I didn't intend this as a general communication...but it sort of evolved into an open letter. I resisted rewriting it...to keep it informal and genuine. I just want to see a proper governmental system for the Solar System in place which maximizes Responsible Freedom. I keep thinking that we are a galactic administrative problem...and that most of you neither love us nor hate us. You probably want us to evolve! I also keep thinking that we are rebels without a clue...who legitimately rebelled against something (enslavement and theocracy perhaps?)...but ended up in worse trouble than if we had just gone with the program...so to speak. Now...we seem to be on the verge of blowing ourselves up, becoming enslaved by malevolent ET's, and being ruled by a really nasty theocracy. Or...on the verge of a top down silent and bloodless revolution...whereby we could finally achieve a united and free world at peace...for the first time in our history. I'm trying to visualize more underground living and electric everything...and interplanetary tourism and industry using advanced spacecraft. I'd like to see an end to extreme wealth and poverty via Responsible Free Enterprise. I don't have a problem with interacting with other benevolent beings...no matter what they look like...or what their history is...as long as they are genuinely benevolent. It would obviously take time for everyone to get used to each other. Project Avalon may be one of the first steps toward a Solar System United Nations...or whatever everyone wants to call it. I suspect that beings from throughout the Solar System...view, and even participate, on Avalon. We discuss various and sundry subjects presently...but someday we may vote...as members of a Solar System General Assembly. I have been repeatedly moved to tears by two related Stargate SG-1 episodes which touch on a Galactic United Nations:
    1. http://www.fancast.com/tv/Stargate-SG-1/91998/1063988439/The-Torment-of-Tantalus/videos 2. http://www.hulu.com/watch/68254/stargate-sg-1-the-fifth-race

    Here is a link which I found interesting with information from John Rhodes: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles38.htm It caused me to speculate. What if Reptilians evolved...but not Humans? What if the entire universe was Reptilian? What if there were no Humans anywhere? What if the entire universe was a Reptilian Universal Church Theocracy? What if Humans were created as a slave race? ('Let us make man in our image') What if Lucifer (Ptah?) was the Reptilian in charge of the genetic engineering project which resulted in the creation of Human Beings? What if Humans were mistreated as slaves? What if a group of Reptilians, led by Lucifer, conspired with Humans, to kill God the Father (Ra?)...and take over 'Heaven'? What if this was the Luciferian Rebellion which led to War in Heaven...and the death of God the Father (Ra?)? What if the Reptilians loyal to God (Ra?) fought against the Luciferian Reptilians and Human Beings...driving them out of the Garden of Eden (Heaven?) What if Battlestar Moon was used to transport the Luciferian Reptilians and Humans to Aldebaran, Sirius, and Earth...while being violently pursued by Nibiru? What if Interdimensional Reptilians aka The Spirit of God aka Amen battle with Luciferian Interdimensional Reptilians and the Divinity Within Humanity aka The Holy Spirit...to regain control of the Renegade Human Race? What if the New World Order is the Kingdom of Ra? What if the Luciferian Reptilians and a select group of Humans run Earth from underground bases on Earth and the Moon? Could this be Gizeh Intelligence? Could Reptilians and Humans loyal to Ra be Zionists? Could Reptilians and Humans loyal to Lucifer be Teutonic Zionists? Could a pacifist union of both factions be Followers of Jesus? Could Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom be the solution to this ancient mess? How much trouble am I in now? Probably quite a bit. But once again...this is just speculation...with no inside information whatsoever. I don't think that I have seen Lucifer...but one never knows! This hypothetical being could walk down a crowded city street...and no one would notice anything out of the ordinary. This would be a 3D hybrid with lots of 4D, 5D, 6D, 7D connections...I think. I'm thinking of Anna in 'V'. There may be remarkable similarities. Who knows?! PLEASE watch this video where Battlestar Galactica Meets the United Nations. http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5534741958288968182&ei=jW0uS4rWGs_Q-Aab9NXUAw&q=old+movies&hl=en#docid=5280005988835138050 This is the sort of thing which should occur each and every day at the United Nations. I really was impressed with this special program. The first part of the linked video clip...which contains a segment from BSG (beginning @ 07:00)...states that THE CYLONS (REPTILIANS?) WERE A HUMAN INVENTION THAT EVOLVED, AND DESTROYED THEIR CREATORS...AND THAT THE LAST SURVIVING HUMANS ESCAPED ON BATTLESTAR GALACTICA...IN SEARCH OF A NEW HOME ON EARTH. Is this representative of OUR history...and why we are in such a big mess???

    I'm trying to think through a constitutionally based Solar System...where Reptilians, Humans, and Greys peacefully engage in commerce, athletics, education, tourism, the arts, entertainment, etc. There would be no God, no Satan...and nobody would have to bow down and worship anyone. No one would be a master...and no one would be a slave. Everyone would be in charge. I keep referring to the U.S. Constitution because of it being in use for over 200 years, and being currently in use. There could be others...perhaps superior...but I'm trying not to reinvent the wheel. It does not imply nationalism or protectionism. It does imply We the People(We the Beings?) being in charge...in an organized decentralism. If there are Deep Underground Military Bases throughout the Solar System inhabited by various factions of Humans, Greys, and Reptilians...an all out war would be utterly devastating. A voluntary cooperation under a constitution would make so much more sense. The gods could retire...which is what I want. I don't want Lucifer(or equivalent) to be hurt or killed...I just want the reign of terror to end. I'm suspecting that well intentioned beings of all races...for billions of years...have tried to be God...and failed miserably. Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely...no matter how intelligent and well-intentioned you are. It turns a Good God into an Evil Satan...and it probably doesn't take very long.

    If the U.S. Constitution was the central authority of the Solar System...instead of any deity or demon...no one would be worshipped, humiliated, exalted, enslaved, etc. If Lucifer is the Godess of This World (and Solar System?)...and will not relinquish power to anyone else ('if I can't have them...nobody can!')...might a constitutional ultimate authority allow this being to retire with grace? I'd really rather skip the Battle of Armageddon. Does Revelation 12 describe Lucifer or Satan? The ultimate leader of the serpent race's collective or 'hive mind' is the "great red dragon", the "old serpent", "the Devil" or "Satan". Lucifer was one of the three original archangels (along with Michael and Gabriel) who each had charge over one-third of the 'angels'. Mind you...I'm hypothesizing a very dark universe...where this crazy world is as good as it gets. This is a terrifying thought to me...but what if this is reality? The horror! Could the following experience describe the being who Lucifer rebelled against? I found it in chapter 19 of the 'Dulce Book' http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce_book.htm on the watcherfiles.com website. I don't know if this is credible...but it really made me think. Does the following description refer to Lucifer...or to Satan? I'm leaning toward Satan aka God Amen...but there might be some similarities with Lucifer...who would have to have some communication with Satan...on an ongoing basis.

    "One of the 'targets' to which Mr. Brown's military RV trainer sent him was the Grey aliens' collective mind, and more specifically he was instructed to search out the ultimate command or control center of the collective. Shortly after this particular experiment began [one of many], Brown found himself in an area where several Greys were working, although he did not know exactly where this was. He 'followed' the collective mind or thought-flow and found it to be absolutely massive, giving him the feeling of something unbounded, and almost universal in nature. However, he did detect a center, a definite 'heartbeat' of this massive collective matrix, into which and out from which a steady stream of information was flowing. He noticed, at one point, an unusual 'subspace' being that seemed to be directing the activities of the Greys he was observing, and discovered that the bodies of the Greys themselves were incarnated by such 'subspace' beings which apparently entered the Greys' embryonic bodies and used them as vessels to manipulate physical reality.

    Brown was then instructed to locate other of these beings who apparently controlled the Grey collective from a subspace or astral level, and found himself in an area where several of these subspace or paraphysical entities were located. As he continued towards this 'center' the number of subspace or non-corporeal beings increased until he came to a place of much activity, something like a grand central station type of area, where these beings were very active in various pursuits. He did not know exactly where this was, but noticed that the closer he came to the control 'center' the more he sensed an increasing rigid atmosphere of absolute military-like control. He came to what he sensed was the central governing center of the subspace beings' activity, and in the center of this there was another area where a "council of 10" very high-level subspace or paraphysical entities congregated. These were apparently the governing principalities who were engaged in running the whole operation. The security here was absolutely incredible.

    Then he perceived the SUPREME LEADER of this council of 10 paraphysical entities... and at about this point Courtney Brown was jerked back into his body, so to speak. He sensed that this leader had detected the presence of his own subspace, astral or magnetic body which he had projected, and had followed this RV 'intruder' back to his physical source. Brown and his trainer felt an oppressive, dark 'cloud' enter the room and it stayed there for about half a minute scrutinizing the scene. It left, apparently seeing the two RV'ers as "small frys" who were not worth wasting its time on.

    Before Brown's expulsion from the command center however, he was able to perceive for a brief moment what this being was really like. He or it was an extremely powerful being, but one with a twisted personality that was full of darkness. Apparently this being had come into conflict with another Force which it saw as its enemy. Brown sensed within this being a severe self-esteem problem, in spite of its incredible power, and because of this it had a consuming desire to be worshipped by others. Brown was confused when he sensed that these subspace beings, and in turn the Reptilians/Greys, were actually COMMANDED by this leader to engage in self-indulgent and destructive activities. This being apparently wanted his servants to use self-indulgent rewards or fear of punishment to maintain the absolute hierarchical command structure within its empire -- as well as through the rest of the subspace hierarchy, and in turn throughout the Reptilian Grey's collective 'hive' society that they completely infested.

    Brown also got the impression that it was FEAR and PRIDE -- its perceived NEED to be worshipped -- that kept this being from negotiating with its ancient enemy, and that this being was utterly desperate to maintain its very survival or existence [strange for a seemingly immortal subspace being] and chose to resort to rebellion and terrorism in a desperate attempt to take control of the situation. Brown recieved a strong impression that this being was the ultimate universal terrorist!!! (Did ET Phone Rome and Call 9/11?) Apparently because of its all-consuming ego this being would NEVER humble itself before its 'enemy', and the same might be said for most of the upper echelon of the hierarchy who depended on the praise of their fellow collaborators to maintain their illusion of self-importance.

    These beings, one might say, had long ago and of their own free-agency 'imploded' in upon themselves -- becoming 'spiritual black holes' with all-consuming appetites, absolute astral vampirial-like parasites, having extinguished all 'light' within themselves and therefore being unable to be brought back "into the light". Incapable of giving out 'light', they have become totally reprobate, devouring any and all life and innocence around them that they can possibly consume. The leader of this subspace 'collective' had long ago drawn these other dark beings into itself, like a large black star devouring other smaller ones around it. This irreversible state MIGHT not apply entirely to ALL of these "subspace" beings, as we will see later on."

    I hereby invite all beings throughout the universe to support the spirit...if not the letter...of the first post of this linked thread regarding Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 Obviously...the details will have to be worked out by those who are much more competent than myself. I don't know the full story...but the more I research...the more enthusiastic I become regarding this concept. But this will require universal support...and will undoubtedly involve great sacrifice and hardship. I think we are all in huge trouble...throughout the universe...not just on Earth. I also think that all secrecy needs to be removed presently...and that Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom must be pursued with all deliberate speed. The gloves need to be removed...so to speak.

    "Most people do not really want freedom, because freedom involves responsibility, and most people are frightened of responsibility." -- Sigmund Freud

    The Andromedan Perspective Regarding the Future of Humanity is "Responsible Freedom of Self Determination...Becoming Truly Self Confident and Free...to Unconditionally be Responsible for Oneself...Without Being Coerced to Accept Some Higher Authority." -- related by Alex Collier

    "We the People of Earth have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves, and for future generations...a True World Order. A world where Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...not the Old World Disorder Demonic Theocracy...governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful...and we will be...we have a real chance at this True World Order...an order in which a credible United Nations can use Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom to fulfill the promise and vision of All Races." -- my rewrite of part of a New World Order speech by George H. W. Bush

    "Like it or not, eveything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man...or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active, or abdicate...the future is in your hands." -- William Cooper

    This is a thread devoted to experimenting with the idea of applying the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights (except for the first two paragraphs of Article 6...and the 16th Amendment) to the entire Solar System. Article 6 has been misused to establish treaties which supercede the Constitution. There is a question regarding the validity of the 16th Amendment. My preference is that the Federal Reserve should be abolished...and a non-private central bank should issue a silver-based currency. The United States of the Solar System does NOT imply rule by the United States of America...especially in its presently infiltrated and subverted sad state. Constructive Competition...Positive Response Ability...and Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom are the underlying principles and concepts. A focus on the documents is what is desired. We will attempt to use the Constitution and Bill of Rights...mostly as is...with very minimal changes in wording (to apply to the Solar System and include both males and females) and with some very minimal streamlining.

    Is there merit to the idea of replacing the U.N. Charter with the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...with all of the regions of Earth...and all of the regions of the planets and moons of the Solar System...treated as States? Various Alien Nations could participate with Ambassadors...but they could not dictate. A President would simply be a spokesperson or PR person for the decisions of the Senatorial and Congressional General Assemblies. Most of the communications and deliberations would be electronic...with actual meetings at U.N. Headquarters being mostly symbolic and ceremonial. Could this arrangement be considered to be the preferred alternative to a theocracy (a Universal Church)? Would this arrangement constitute a desirable non-theocratic union of politics and religion? Isn't religion really politics...and politics really religion? Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom would be the absolute standard and modus operandi of a New Universal Order.

    Have I completely lost my mind...or is this an ultra-simple solution to the problems which plague this Solar System (and possibly the universe)? I am basing all of this on an unproven assumption that there is life throughout the Solar System...including, but not limited to, Human, Grey, and Reptilian life...and that the Grey and Reptilian life is not simply a non-physical demonic phenomenon. Obviously...there would have to be safeguards which would prevent a dictatorial take-over. All groups would need to be protected from themselves (competing internal factions) and the other groups. Mutually beneficial interplanetary and interracial interaction would be the goal.

    I initially included alien races in the Constitution of the United States of the Solar System...but I changed the wording back to include only Human Beings. This is not anti-alien. It is intended as a safeguard. We the People of the Solar System need to get our house in order internally...and then interact with all Alien Nations...in a very open yet cautious manner. I don't know how this should appropriately occur. I don't know the details of the alien presence in the Solar System. I'm open to reasonable solutions. Perhaps Alien Nations could have non-voting membership status...where their views would be made known in an official capacity...and where they would address the Congressional and Senatorial General Assemblies. Perhaps this could be preparatory to full voting status. I don't know. I'm just very wary of Trojan Horse scenarios. Again...I do not desire rulership over Alien Nations. Nor do I desire their humiliation, degradation, extermination, or enslavement.

    The preamble is a condensed version of the preamble to the Charter for the United Nations. I did remove the reference to treaties and other sources of international law. Nothing should supercede the founding documents.

    'The Declaration of Human Sovereignty' from www.humansovereignty.org is included, with minimal modifications. I basically agree with it...and do not wish to reinvent the wheel. I did, however, eliminate the homeworld references, and I eliminated the demand to destroy ET bases...which might be necessary to defend the Solar System. This is the cosmic equivalent of the 'Declaration of Independence'. A big thank-you to humansovereignty.org. They might, or might not, approve of this thread. I don't know. Perhaps I won't have to wait long to find out!

    Our politicians need to go through an educational process...fit for a king. Each politician should probably have the equivalent of two doctorates...in multidisciplinary and governmental studies. Politicians should have to take batteries of tests to prove that they are fit to be the equivalent of kings (for limited periods of time...to avoid corruption and insanity). Too much power for too long...is a recipe for disaster. Power corrupts...and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I don't want tyranny and theocracy...but I also don't want a bunch of corrupt and stupid nitwits...running amok in a make believe democracy...owned by the banks and media moguls...who take orders from off-world entities. There should be at least 10,000 people...worldwide...who know everything about everything...and could assume supreme leadership in a very competent manner...without prior notice. One would have to competitively join this group...in order to run for high office. I just want this world to be cleaned-up and run properly. We probably need the City-States and the United Nations...but not in their current state. They need to be completely reformed and purified...if this is even possible. If it's not possible...then we need to start from scratch.

    The concept is simple...but undoubtedly the details and implementation would be very, very complex. I'm guessing that powerful forces outside of this Solar System would have to agree to allow this to occur. I'm also sensing that some of the agreement...if it was granted...would be very grudging...with the view that it would never work...and that the Pleiades, Sirius, Draco, Orion (and others?) would ultimately theocratically rule Earth eventually anyway. Who knows...this could be a new development in a very dictatorial, rigid, and violent universe. It could be Morning in the Universe...or the Solar System...at least. Lucifer...what do you think? How will this play in the Pleiades, Sirius, Draco, and Orion? You can make this happen. We are all actors on a stage...and the universe is watching. Namaste to everyone...including you Lucifer.

    I don't hate anyone...Reptilian or Human. I think that 99% are victims...and the remaining 1% are deluded or insane (and in a sense...victims as well...even though they are in charge...and may be very harsh and cruel). I think everyone is in trouble...from the top to the bottom. This universe may need a new program and a reboot. The Reptilians...who many fear (including me)...may turn out to be quite friendly...if and when there is a paradigm shift and a leadership change. Their external appearance should not be viewed predjudicially. I don't know the true nature of the Reptilians. I've never seen one (that I know of)...and I'm still not absolutely sure that they exist (although the testimonial evidence is overwhelming). This open letter should not be viewed as Human vs Reptilian. In an all-out Human vs Reptilian war...I have a sneaking suspicion that humanity might cease to exist. Who knows...Benevolent Reptilians may be keeping Human Beings from becoming extinct.

    If the universal community cannot accept the linked proposal http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 as a universal modus operandi...I would only request that an exception be made for this Solar System. Give us a chance to test the concept...under quarantine...if deemed necessary. I understand that unrestrained and irresponsible freedom is highly dangerous and contageous. The qualifiers outlined in the first post of this thread should be sufficient to maintain legitimate and reasonable law and order.

    In a sense...a Government is a Church...and a Church is a Government. They are two sides of the same coin. The question is 'What is the nature of the Church and the Government?' A "Constitutional Theocracy is a form of government in which within the context of a modern democracy a particular religion is granted a central role in the legal and political system. In contrast to a pure theocracy, power resides in political figures operating within the bounds of a constitution, rather than religious leadership. A form of government (also referred to as a system of government or a political system) is a system composed of various people, institutions and their relations in regard to the governance of a state. ... Theocracy is a form of government in which a religion and the government are intertwined..." http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Constitutional-theocracy Could the United States of America be under a Constitutional Theocracy presently? Could the United States of America have always been under such a Constitutional Theocracy? See Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution. Was the 1954 Greada treaty simply an extension of this hypothetical Constitutional Theocracy? http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/future.htm Is the U.N. Charter superceding the U.S. Constitution a further expansion of a Constitutional Theocracy? To stop preaching...and go to meddling...How would the Roman Catholic Church function if it were based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...and was in complete harmony with the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Teachings of Jesus? Would a Pope be elected by the general membership every four years? Would the Teachings of Jesus, the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Will of the People...supercede Canon Law, the Curia, the Pope, the Black Pope (and whoever the Black Pope takes orders from)? Would this create chaos...or would it minimize evil and corruption? For Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom to work...the Roman Catholic Church would have to go along with it...and looking at history...this would be nearly impossible. The RCC is the biggest 'We Never Change Church' imaginable. The Sirius Powers That Be would have to order it done...or it would be a non-starter. For Sirius (and Alpha Draconis?) to sign-off on this...We the People of Earth would have to exhibit a significant level of Knowledge and Responsibility. There is presently a Forbidden Knowledge Explosion...and the BIG question is 'Will We the People of Earth Respond Responsibly?' How about a non-penetential and non-sacrificial Ecumenical Namaste Mass based upon the Latin Mass...Celebrating the Divinity Within Humanity? Now I'm really meddling! I'm an abominable heretic...yet I prefer the glory, grandeur, reverence, and awe of the traditional service...rather than the 'Jesus is my buddy, show-up in shorts and a t-shirt, praise-song, hippie reefer-madness'.
    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94sa1Byb7fw 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP5guVydW7w&NR=1 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL4PO9jIj2I&feature=related 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq8i69-L-Fs&feature=related 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxBjqrPAUg8&NR=1

    In a sense...I desire a Minimalist Humanistic Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Theocracy . This open letter is merely introductory and inquisitive...rather than being comprehensive, authoritative, or dogmatic. I simply desire that everything work out well for everyone...everywhere and everywhen.

    Thanks and Gratitude in Advance to the Beings of the Universe.

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:55 pm

    Here are the comments (other than mine) so far:

    1. Maybe somewhere in the Solar system they have a better constitution. Why not ask first?

    2. I agree the constitution was a divinely inspired document. However, it is worth considering that what was right for the time then, can be surpassed Now. The divine is not a dead god, or a piece of paper, or a bible, the divine is Living consciousness. There's always More, that's the point of life actually! To become More of the infinite, to grow infinity itSelf! The divine is More than capable of inspiring HUMANITY (not some alien race out there), with a perfect document, a perfect constitution if you will, when the time is right, to build a foundation for the Golden Age government. That being said, further down the road, the divine will inspire a document that surpasses the next one... ad infininitum. There is always More. We must not look to the past for solutions, we should look to the Now.

    3. Suggested revisions (amendments?) to The Constitution of the United Worlds of Sol. ... Owing to the increased longevity of Beings in the United Worlds, Representatives should serve a One-time term of 10-years, and Senators should serve a One-time term of 20-years. By this, we also remove the costly and discordant "re-election campaigns." Those so elected may be subject to re-call by the Electorate for non-performance or malfeasants. All elections shall be by DIRECT VOTE of the Electorate by simple majority with no intervening Electoral college or similar. All Nation-States shall provide volunteer troops to the United Worlds Peace Troops, apportioned by a ratio of the respective population of each nation-state. Such Peace Troops shall be funded from the general funds of the United Worlds, and shall all train together for the purpose of maintaining Peace throughout the United Worlds. Each and every Representative and Senator shall sit in council one month per year with the Local elected assembly of each District / Province / State / Parish from where they were elected. Each and every Representative and Senator shall also sit in council two months per year in the General Congress of their respective Nation-State. These total three-months will be essential to duties with the Congress of the United Worlds. These are necessary in order to remain close to the people and understanding the wishes of the populations. Just for 'starters.'

    4. Take a deep breath and exhale slowly...and once again...and relax.

    5. Best Greetings All Earth Humans and Resident ExtraTerrestrials, United Worlds of Sol [ "If the electorate were electronically connected to the elected...and communicated constantly on all issues...the will of well informed and responsible beings...would more likely be instituted. Elections would be relatively cheap...if limited to internet campaigning and debating. One 10 year term for all offices sounds good to me." ] That is a very good idea = direct input into the legislative process from the Electorate. Secure connections with 512-bit encryption keys for every electorate-enabled computer link is doable. By this every competent Being in the United Worlds has a voice and vote in the Governance. As to elected terms of Reps and Senators, let's peg them at 12-years One-term for the Reps and 15-years One-term for Senators. Each body to be divided into thirds where a 'fresh' group of Reps - one-third - to be elected each four years, and a 'fresh' group of Senators - again one-third - to be elected each five years. A One-Term limit of 12 and 15 years each body would take a lot of the 'politics' and 'back-door deals' out of the picture now currently seen in re-election politics where favors and 'promises' are made to 'special interests.' By virtue of establishment of a United Worlds Peace Troop, the local Nation-States would stand-down all local 'national' armies. The local Nation-States own Police Forces would continue to maintain 'internal' order, and they will also be considered as reserves for the World Peace Troop. Look at the HUGE amount of <Gross-Domestic-Product (money)> to be saved by eliminating all the different 'standing armies,' which GDP may then be applied to solving Environmental and Social problems, and also building a better Interstellar SpaceCraft Fleet. Any and all Off-World Colonies shall fall under the protection of the United Worlds Peace Troop. Any Off-World Colony which obtains to a population of 100,000-Beings may become an independent Nation-State within the United Worlds of Sol with all rights, responsibilities, and privileges guaranteed by the Constitution of the United Worlds. Yes this is independent thinking, and I cast my votes 'Yes' for these proposals.

    6. Great Idea, but there is probably already something like that for the whole galaxy.

    7. I agree that the American Constitution has some great ideals and principles. The US seems to be the only country that formally recognizes that a citizen has absolute individual rights. That’s fantastic – even “cosmic”. But one big question is, how does that Constitution get so routinely abused and ignored and subverted in practice? (And indeed, all my own astral travelling and RVing suggests that that kind of subversion is unheard of on any other civilised planet -- with the exception of future versions of our planet, such as the P47s presumably are.) American readers probably have greater trouble viewing the American “matrix” objectively than do people from another country. (Sorry about that.) Obviously to most non-Americans, the American “matrix” has been manipulated so as to create a violent society. I know that Chomsky devoted half of one of his books to arguing and even proving that violence has always been one of the core central features of US society, from the beginning. It’s no coincidence that the crime rate in America is at least 12 times greater than in Western Europe. And that figure goes up to 16 or more times greater when it comes to crimes like murder. So another question is, how does one help people who live within such a violent “matrix” to detach from it, both individually and even as a society?

    8. No offense, but I don't think that humanity needs a piece of paper or papers to co-exist in a new paradigm.We've seen what weight the Constitution holds in modern times (read: zero) and in order for a new document (or any document) to have meaning, it must be held to the highest regard by all and it must be respected or else, it is just a piece of paper.

    9. You are right. Why wasting time on endless discussions about that? Do you HJ see any reason for that? i don't...or maybe there is....

    10. There's nothing wrong with it. I'm just trying to stay "out of the box" in regards to my thinking.

    11. Maybe someone does rule and own this solar system- should be part of disclosure.....

    12. Are you assuming there is no galactic organization already in place? We may soon find out otherwise, and they may have something to say about what rights and authority we have outside of our home planet. If there is truth the stories about being "warned off the moon", they may have already done so. I think this exercise may be premature. First, we need to know where the transition leaves us as individuals. For example, how many laws and regulations do you need for people who are always working for the common good? What abilities will we have that we don't have now? What access to knowledge will we have? Second, we need to understand our place in the galactic system. We will be the new kids, and it's unlikely that we will be "laying down the law" for anyone but us. In fact, there may be certain standards for individual and group rights that we must elevate ourselves to. Third, we are likely to see massive technological changes based on suppressed technology that will completely change what we as humans are capable of. This must be put to wise use because we have a lot of damage to undo before we can settle into a new way of doing things.

    13. Thinking beyond the earth is an excellent thing to do. Thinking in terms of existing earth paradigms is not going far enough. What can be accomplished with a civilization of loving beings who are constantly aware of their oneness with all others and their connection to god? What place does the concept of ownership have in such a civilization? There are numerous people who claim some knowledge of galactic organizations (Greer, Nidle, others), including some people on this forum (TraineeHuman, me). It would seem these organizations have been around quite a long time - millions of years at least. I think that makes us the new kids. Of course, that's just in the physical realm. We're all ancient immortal beings. Are we abused? Yes, but mostly by each other. Think of the recent history of the earth as a story designed to teach a lesson. What is it we are being taught? I think freedom is a big part of where we are headed. In many stories about the visitors, it seems they always volunteer for whatever task it is they are working on. The concept of being ordered to do something just doesn't seem to be there.

    14. Sounds honorable ODM but I have a feeling you end up right back where we are now in the end, Games will be played and power will be centralized just like today . But I have found something give it a read and let me know what you think. A global action is underway that is moving your world toward the creation of a fully transparent banking system and a monetary system based on precious metals, such as gold and silver. This action is being implemented throughout most of the globe. To manifest it fully the American system needs to default to gold, and the Federal Reserve and the illegal Internal Revenue Service (IRS) must now disappear. The means for this to happen is in place, and quite shortly, all of this is to be announced by a new caretaker government in Washington. As these announcements are made, a vast reordering of the American Republic is to take place. The USA corporate entity that has long controlled this government is to be dissolved and the myriad statutory laws that were put in place since the start of the Roosevelt administration in 1933 are to be nullified. In its place is to emerge a smaller government with hugely decreased international commitments. America will be dedicated to peace and will no longer send her military to the four corners of the globe. All major foreign bases are to be abandoned and all remaining foreign bases reduced to their pre-WW II size (13 small foreign bases). America was never intended to be a European or Asian power. Japan and Germany need their naval, air force, and military bases back, and the US needs to withdraw from Korea and, in so doing, help reunify North and South. China needs to give up Tibet, and India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan to redraw their mutual borders. Africa likewise needs to address the same issues. The colonial map of pre-WW II is a sorry excuse for drawing up the borders of the nations of your world. A great deal of thought has been given to these matters by our Earth allies and by us as all of this constitutes a large part of forging a new reality for your home world. Further, it is necessary to restructure the United Nations and remove it from the clutches of the dark cabal and its many silent cronies. Let us return to the caretaker regime of the restored American Republic. The first thing you notice is that the vast social welfare net created by the Roosevelt administration is gone. It is replaced by a series of private organizations created by the abundance programs and by a structure framed by our Earth allies. The purpose of governance is to guide and direct; interference and regulation happen only in special cases where the "general welfare" is at stake. A return to "common law" blended with constitutional law is to become the new social contract governing the mutual responsibilities between government, business, and citizenry, and will be overseen by a new Justice Department. The premise of these laws is to "provide for the general welfare" as stipulated in the preamble to the US Constitution. America is once more to become a nation founded on freedom, prosperity, sovereignty, and the "pursuit of happiness." To accomplish this, a vast nationwide network of abundance disbursement programs is to become a primary force in the life of each American. The purpose of this is to enable each of you to become "your brother's and sister's keeper." You are responsible for each other and to each other. You are to become a community of Love and Light, and this is to extend throughout the globe. Your new reality is about helping each other, being caring, sovereign citizens, and making good use of those resources provided for us by Mother Earth and by your own creativity. To this end, a lot of technology, at present either suppressed or hidden away, needs to be revealed and fully supported by the world community. These new technologies can solve the current energy crisis, clean up your world's vast store of polluted water, soil, and air, and provide you with faster, more efficient forms of ground, sea, and air transportation. This is only the start of what you can accomplish in a very short period of time. A whole network of interrelated business enterprises can be built, which can also be the basis for establishing a workable system of "fluid group management." What you are getting ready to do is shed the society that you have lived in up until this moment. Yours is a society based on separation, fragmentation, and alienation. Only a few deeds of exceptional kindness on the part of some extraordinary individuals and service-oriented families have kept your societies from a continuous state of open rebellion. This has been the case down through the ages. Despite this, these groups were usually unable to prevent the sudden outbreak of such uprisings, and so your history is one long catalogue of bloody revolutions, mindless wars, and mass outpourings of pent-up anger. The aim now is to transform all this. Prosperity and mindful, loving cooperation can replace the above. New institutions are therefore needed which maintain and promote global cooperation. This is something our Earth allies and we have thought about long and hard.

    15. I'm very impressed with this thread. Just a tongue in cheek comment... this is the old world of disorder. A new world order would be fine as long as there was complete disclosure (no more compartmentalized secret governments) and all were treated with love and respect.

    16. Why own anything, let's extend the native american idea of no man owns the earth to the cosmos.

    17. I do wish for egalitarianism or at least a good shaving off of the extremes on both ends. And in the end no one really owns anything in the "you can't take it with you when you die" sense. I'll be first to admit i may be stupid and lazy but i am also human. It's impossible for everybody to be equally good at capitalism, so i see it as a system imposed on the majority by the minority that are good at it.

    18. I and a lot of people could live with that!! Cheers to ya!!

    19. Really we are only custodians. Tho some think not.

    20. Ya finally consolidated it! I'll buy that!

    21. If corporate thinking doesn't change at the same time then yes we will. Everything is Free! Nobody gets Paid! Follow your bliss volunteerism!
    No more being marketable (like a slave)! No more unsustainable consumerism! (this is my rallying cry, perhaps i'll add it to my signature)

    22. There we go.

    23. Coincidentally, I was on Youtube yesterday watching some black and white film of Jung and Freud. Even back in those early days they knew that the negative compulsive matter was subconscious or unconscious and no amount of intellectual knowledge would suffice to clear out the part of the subconscious that is problematic regarding our fears and compulsions. It cannot be talked about, talk therapy is weak if not totally ineffective. It can be looked at however and that is quite aggressive and effective and does help me remove fears and compulsive ways of thinking-doing-being. It is amazing how I have healed myself by stopping my mind and simply looking. Looking brings Knowing and once I Know the whole knotty mess straightens out. It is reported that is how Gautama Buddha reached Nirvana -- he did some deep looking.

    24. My problem with competition is some people are better at it (especially than me!) So until capitalism throws enough money my way (my needs are quite simple, i only need to approach 30k/yr to come out ahead and save money each month living by myself in a cheap 1 br apt) i'm gonna want some kind of Robin Hood revenge especially from those making millions to trillions, which is totally ridiculous. All i really want to do is write songs but you can only make money that way if it sells, why can't the fact i wrote a song be good enough whether it sells or not? Or can i make money as a youtube busker? Anyway....

    25. I've always had a problem with competition[CODE] Competition in this world mostly brings envious spirits which later give birth to greed and many evil thereafter. On the other hand divine competition is entirely different since every soul is encouraged to give its best talent ,to show its light before creator and hence fore be a part of magnificence.

    26. Ortho you'd be jealous of a couple friends of mine whose business is organ tuning/repair, they work on organs and to test their work they have to play them, and they avoid the theopolitics (is that a word, well it is now) however the downside (besides dead birds and mice found in the pipe chambers) is the travel involved since they cover the 5 state area of MN, WI, IA and the 2 Dakotas at minimum.

    27. My dog (cockerpoo) really understands competition: he and his cousin (cavalier king charles) happily compete all day long with each other, and then at night they curl up together :-)

    28. What I am getting is that the original split was within ourself and somehow an imbalance came about between "to be" and "to not be" and then a fixedness and inability to blend or merge, and all dichotomies can trace their genology back to this Prime Polarity. Don't take me literally on this as I'm just stating what I'm seeing at this point in my self-realization work, but 3 sessions from now I may find an even more basic Prime Polarity, or a twin Prime Polarity. The furtherest back in "time" for me was several quadrillion years, no kidding, and when I went back before time I had to measure it in terms of where it was in relation to when time began for me and when I first separated from the Static. For example, an incident was dated at 45% before time. If you can think abstractly for a moment almost all conflicts are a working out of the "to be" and "to not be" dichotomy. There are processes that help one resolve this irresolution other than "spanking the dog".

    29. It is the same reported path the Buddha took to achieve Nirvana, and then he taught many of his family and friends and as far as I know -- no one got hurt :-)

    30. Thought it was mental mast______tion that does that, lol

    31. Ok Ortho, you asked for it. here's my two cents worth and totally my own words: I think ultimately after we go through the graduation ceremony of ascension we will be able to take our well deserved place through out the solar system and the galaxy and beyond. Our own inner personal self is what we will have learned to govern with responsibility and through that personal accountability and responsibility we will be able to coexist without fear of our personal rights being violated as others will be able to rely on that accountability not impinging on their rights. It is through this right of passage that peace comes. We are not the only ones undergoing this transition at this time. Others from Orion have also incarnated on earth at this time so that we may get through this incredible moment in galactic history with the ability to coexist after having worked out our differences. After ascension peace will sweep the galaxy. Those that can’t accept this new found peace and who choose war over peace will get their wish and will be able to blow each other up in their own separate dimension to their hearts content. This is God’s will and it is set in motion. We don’t need a complicated constitution to govern us collectively as we will all govern ourselves through individual responsibility. It is through complication that we have been manipulated for so long. The universal law is simplicity and totally workable. This is why the quarantine is necessary in order for the lessons to be learnt and ascension a necessary process.

    32. It is not the intention to be contradictory. Ideal is an acceptable goal to seek. I must ask how well has your liberty being protected by the Constitution as it stands? As long as we give away our power to others to interpret and enforce a constitution we are leaving ourselves open to manipulation from others. If we move towards individual responsibility maintained by the laws of the universe in which we dwell. surely the only true liberation comes from individual responsibility maintained from within rather than without? It is only through our inability to be governed from within that we have been limited from venturing too far out of the "school yard" of Earth so it may seem from all the information presented on this and other forums of this nature.

    33. I have questions: How many planets are there, exactly, in this solar system? Are there more orbiting on the other side of the sun, this star, at about the same distance from it, so we continuously don't know about their existence? Why should earthlings determine what the 'Constitution' of this star system ought to be? Or, is it better to be preemptive, take initiative! to have something in hand already? Is there already a greater 'Constitution' that encompasses other solar systems? Or does everyETone just make sh^t up, to the best of their collective ability and judgment?

    34. Your thinking too small Ortho, Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom applied to the Multiverse.

    35. How about something like this: We the united peoples of earth, the sovereign instantiations of the creator source in this physical time space universe, do hereby claim our sovereignty. We have been misled, misguided, misrepresented, enslaved, genetically manipulated, tricked, given physical embodiments that are easily addicted to all sorts of physical stimulation, distracted, and generally treated like the laughing stock of the universe and associated multiverses. We do hereby state that we no longer can accept this. We let go of all negative energies and emotions such as greed, lust and hate. We refuse to fight your wars for you. We are the sons and daughters of the creator. We claim our rightful place in the universe. For we the meek shall not only inherit the earth but the entire universe. We state plainly that without all these manipulations by outsiders we will be free to act as responsible sons and daughters and take up our rightful place under our Father Creator Source and next too our Christed Brother Jesus. Those peoples of the universe that wish to stand beside us in our cause as universal brothers and sisters shall be welcomed with open arms. For we take up this oath to honour our universal responsibility as sovereign creator sons and daughters. This is our pledge and so it be done.

    36. I see that as a good one Initiate. The key for me in taking back our power is realizing that it wasn't taken away from us by bad guys, we had to give it up. In other words, although we've been deceived, we didn't have to fall for the deceptions. So now's time to take personal responsibility as Co-Creators with the infinite and realize the mess we're in was created by our own unconsciousness and giving away our power and decision making to those outside of us. Anyway, nice work. Ortho ~ I agree with the theme here, here is the big question: We have a constitution in the USA right now, but it does not stop the powers that be from doing their thing right? So what exactly is going to stop "lucifer" bad guys etc. from suddenly turning hte other cheek and respecting the divine in all people? What do you think? Sure I hear yah, you'd like em to retire and have a beer with you. Now free will is the universal law. The whole point of creation is we are supposed to respect and celebrate teh divine in each other. The whole point of the fallen beings is they are seeking to destroy the divine in all life rather than celebrate it or raise it up.
    So my question to you is, what needs to change then in order for your suggestion for a universal constitution to be effective? Especially given that we already have a constitution in the US and it is obviously not respected by the PTB. What are your thoughts?

    37. Hi ortho - I haven't read your last 2 posts entirely yet, but I wanted to say I liked Initiate's #100 post [Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom applied to the Multiverse]. The multiverse thing completely overrides the 'throughout the universe, in perpetuity' that's on your Lawyerese Goes Galactic thread. We've got to up the ante on those idiots, and that term would do it IMO. Even 'in perpetuity' is a misnomer (in a time is everywhere multiverse), because it's linear in concept, which could be kind of wrong. I'll have to dig up some theorizing about that.*
    *Another post about that! Operator ... Former Dutch astronaut explains how ‘time’ is created by human beings (video)http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18026 Also, 14 Chakras had some thoughts that I've also had. Say, just because a document exists, it doesn't mean it has effect. Now I'm wondering, who cares. We make it up (well, you make it up or copy it, analyze it whatever). Luckily, it's easy to 'enforce' - actually no enforcement really needed because it's Namaste-ish.

    38. So let's just revoke it. I mean, I have not seen the agreement, so let's just speculate that, yes, it's a problem. And BOOM it's gone. I wonder then can we boss them around with our consciousness, a kind of coup d'etat with our calm minds. Then, if there's psychic energy to spare after calm, it's like we say, CLEAN UP THE OCEANS!! NOW!! MAKE AMENDS HIVE MIND BUDDIES!! YOU OWE US FOR RIPPING OFF HUMAN TISSUE!! (And don't even get us STARTED on breached agreements here and wherever else!!) Etc.

    39. Where's Aldebaran? It seems to be where the Nazis go. I have no recollection of this kind of thing. I sprung from the earth. Yes, waging war all the time - so many delusions. Doesn't matter who, what, when, where, why. Let's just go Bible there - yes, homeworld. Until more DNA information is available. Is that why we're being picked off? Oh wait, that's the US military. The genetic stardust is in everyone. It's a bit crude, too (well, not for me), but earth's fecundity and fertility and life is a result of death (like compost) and **** - that's soil for ya. Our mothers, fathers or clone dads or whatever ate what's around to grow. It's consolidated in our bodies. Maybe you're from somewhere else than me, but we are earthlings.

    40. So I guess my thoughts is this: If we have a good document in place now that is supposed to be the law of the land, and we understand Namaste here, then how come things are sucking in the government? How will this change if we sign another document? What is the point of a document if no one follows it no matter how good a document it is? We already have it in place Now, and what's happening? It's not working. So for me, the most important concept is: We can't solve a problem from the same level of consciousness that created the problem in the first place. A better document will not bring Namaste Responsible Freedom to the masses or the elite. Nothing in fact, will change from a document or an agreement or a handshake, because the nature of the PTB / PTW is deception. The way of the collective consciousness is currently unconsciousness, ignorance, follow the leader sheep mentality. Much less than what has been required to hold the government accountable to the people. I will suggest that it is indeed a valiant effort and vision for Namaste Constitutional Freedom, but that it will ONLY come when the collective consciousness, the collective agreement shifts into a higher level of consciousness where it becomes much more clear that each individual does indeed have a Divine spark within them. How else will the concept of Namaste become the way the world is run if people do not actually see this? So for me, the goal should be to shift consciousness higher to where Namaste is Self evident as the only Way because it is the Way of our own enlightened Self interest. Since we share a collective consciousness, the way to get there, is by raising our own consciousness, seeing through our own illusions and recognizing the Divine in our own heart, as well as all those we meet. When enough people really do this, the collective consciousness will shift, and then people will actually follow a great document for Namaste responsible freedom rather than abusing it. So first comes consciousness shift, then comes Namaste Constitutional Freedom as the natural output of that.

    41. The more freedom of expression and self-determinism and response-ability and self-awareness these ET societies have the less verbiage and checks and balances they employ. Their citizens would have a higher courage and personal integrity level and so the criminal minded and gangsters and moochers would prefer to go somewhere else for easier pickin's.

    42. If we could raise our awareness to ourselves as infinite beings would there really be a real estate issue? Wouldn't it then be more a question of how to close up shop in a decent and orderly fashion? Sweep all the debris back to the Source?

    43. That is exactly how I escaped some of the last between lives manipulation. When they turned a "Be Calm" machine on me an image of Buddha appeared and he had a red ruby in his forehead and the "Be Calm" machine got turned onto the Reptilian and I dived into the ruby which was a vortex that landed me in a specific pre-destined location. I landed in the lecture hall where Ron Hubbard was delivering the classic lectures in Scientology in 1952. I further proofed myself up this lifetime with my clearing work (ongoing). Because if one thing does not get to you, another thing will and they will keep plying their tools on one until one can no longer keep his focus. There is a growing body of clearing practitioners and spiritual remote clearing people and the prices are reasonable for most. CAVEAT EMPTOR and please do some clearing work to proof up against any possible mind control, etc.

    44. thanks for the links, some good ones there but there is no way im listening to "we are the world" also any chance of a one sentence summary of the above?

    45. I agree. http://www.lookyourheartinthemirror.com/me1.html That's a tip of the iceberg. Good work on this stuff.

    46. The next chance I get we are going to take a look at morphic field rulerships, esp. the major religious groups. Let you know what we see. Others may go and look and see it from a different facet. It seems that whatever one focuses on relates to that person's own "Prior Karmic Cause". Perhaps after I clear that out I will see a more complete picture.

    47. Even though your role is different from my role in rehabilitating this planet, it is important for me to be able to take different views as to form strategy for my own work. My role looks like it will involve me in large scale spiritual clearing assistance and aesthetics/arts. Today the role is more that of a warrior against fixed polarities, and the "warrior" part of the job will end when the more black-white polarities are resolved leaving mostly "complementary polarities" to deal with. Oh, what a wonderful lifetime that will be!

    48. I have a question or a proposal to you: Based upon the maxim that "without a vision the people perish". would it be okay with you if the people are given a huge vision of making planet earth a model for the -- gulp -- Universe? A model of equanimity, decency, order, egalitarianism, freedom of expression. I heard on the grapevine that some of the most interesting beings have been being dumped on this planet and the recent inflow are some of the most brave and idealistic volunteers. This could become a real hotspot of the -- gulp -- Universe. Okay, at least the two galaxies. Also, since it seems to be an undenied factoid that this is a Universe of Dualities, which seem to have caused us spiritual decay, could we not also include the vision of Planet Earth being a model of "collapsed dualities"? I know this can be achieved and I have practically forever to help bring this about... Now, I know that particular phrasing won't sell in the marketplace and there might be numerous groups arguing about the best way to uncollapse beings from their precious polarities, but I would rather see a bunch of philosopher kings bashing their heads against each other than the current stuff that is going on. You know -- it would be an improvement :-) I'm willing to take this step by step....LOL.

    49. You are speaking of separation of church and government, right? So it will be up to the teachers, gurus, priests, etc. to promote the vision. However, I never for once thought of my proposal as other than another technological issue to be resolved in this particular universe. Okay, took a step back tohave another look...will respond later.

    50. Another quick interjection before I go and do my housework ... the more self-governance individuals exhibit the less temptation and provocation to introduce arbitrary rules. The more rules the more rules will be broken, and every broken rule, tabulated and measured, becomes a diagnostic tool so that the "fix" does not become more and more precise rules. What will the "fix" be?

    51. If a religion is running a government, it is called a theocracy. Some muslim countries are run by their religious leaders. But many other countries have governments that are not run by a religion (hopefully USA is still one), or they may have dictators, or they may be run by a monarchy… So I suggest you check your facts. Here is a place to start: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/go...overnment-type

    52. Hang in there Ortho. It only takes one consciousness to build a pathway to a new universe. If it is the Will of All that is that it comes about then so be it. I know one thing, TBTB are on borrowed time. So, keep thinking about the Universe after their gone. I'll ride in your star ship any day and under Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. It's bigger than the United States and the Solar System. It really is Universal.

    53. It is hard for me to read scripture except for short snippets, having had it dogmatically enforced for a little too long, but I appreciate the personal truths I find in scriptures.

    54. "Though shalt have no gods except yourself" Oh, that's so deliciously funny!

    55. Well my friend, we could co-miserate over a cup of coffee someday: In this "body culture" planet if no one is listening to you then you are a little too "heady". Haven't you noticed, it's all about the meat. I long for a society of cleared beings (Bodhis) but dang'ed if I'm going to get one going on this planet with my current intellectual approach. If I said "clearing removes wrinkles forever" (it can) .... I can't do that. At the end of that coffe klatch we would be best off with you deciding you are going to create a good rule of government for your own benefit, and me deciding I am going to clear myself right out of this universe and only send back a hologram of myself in the faint hope...yeh, I'll just play with my holograms :-)

    56. Do what gives you enough pleasure to keep wanting to do it. Practice gentle undulation. If you, like me, enjoy posing problems of civilization, I could think of worse avocations. When it comes to governance, I'm ready for a paradigm shift, something totally different, totally balanced, a society that needs less governance. A governance that does not create arbitrary laws because a few people caused a problem. If we solve the problem of why we need rules and laws in the first place, then perhaps we could all do very well on good communication and simple agreements.

    57. I like that you are posing some big problems/games to yourself. A while back I posed the problem of civilization to myself. Why I did that? At that time I did not consider that I could simply leave the game intact and -- get this -- not play any game at all if I so wished. I'm considering the last option right now.

    58. So it has been written. I'm starting to not identify myself with meaning or with life as meaning. Sometimes I can be drawn into the River of Life with imaginations of what the world would be like if Buddha had succeeded in populating the planet with bodhis. I see shopping malls filled with enlightened/awakened bodhis :-)

    59. Yes no one with a heart cannot help but want to reach out to people. Not only as bodies, but also as spiritual beings who know they are more than just bodies. I guess the first thing to do is to sit down and get very realistic about what one is dealing with here on this planet. I'm supposed to write a book about how a civilization is built from the ground up, but if I start writing it might start writing me and I'm not ready for that yet. Thanks for the thumbs up on the bodhi scenario. The buddha I see was very much into eating well and he liked his luxuries, was not an ascetic by any means, but very very vigorous in reaching out to people and working with them to help them do their practices to reach their own bodhi state. I used to frequent the Bodhi Tree store in LA. Met some interesting books and people there. I think my job is to help birth people/bodhis who can in turn work with you to organize societies and perhaps cities. I don't mean going out and having 12 children (although I thought of it). If you said, "Hey, everybody, let's get together and talk about how we can turn this planet into a tourist center for the ETs." You know, put a very fun and body/nature oriented slant on it. A government run like a business. That is how my book would slant it. I'm only putting emphasis on the spiritual technologies because governments and civilizations and societies failed because beings could not govern themselves, much less each other. An awakened society enjoys more freedoms and needs less government. Administration and organization would be the main function of government. Can you imagine how exciting this planet would be for ETs to visit!!!

    60. Let me ask you, how would you propose units of exchange -- an economic system or standard?

    61. Remembrance of human symbiosis with celestial planets has to be priority in the consciousness and super consciousness. From standpoint on this planet we are looking at our assssss! I would think that planets who have made it somehow have preserved this visceral knowledge. This is the million dollar question. Maybe the logos of spirit is stronger in frequency and maybe we are just an example of lack there of.... I think an entire population with the knowledge of the cosmos and intention would create nature to give what it needs because in a sense you could travel with your mind. The understanding of physicality and spirit would allow one to explore the universe. In this energy matrix corruption cannot exist it might spontaneously pop up but it is soon seen and redirected/transmuted. So in this sense tech, industry, hierarchy would not exist. Now to explain exopolitical vision in this plane presents quite a problem. Hence the quandary of our language and mind being corrupted to suit malevolence. Its not that we cant do good its realizing the conditioned programming done for thousands of years? Its like the idea of philanthropic concepts. For our time without future vision the GOvt helping us to regulate society and protect us can seem good. But in a 100 years all the philanthropic ideas will be used to control us. Does our species have a reboot system, Maybe... Are a few of us trying to use intention to create intervention in the Freewill plane, maybe...... Or are some of us just being born to realize the everlasting black hole of evolution to finally be released from reincarnation here, maybe....

    62. Whew reincarnating on this type of planet is a workout I dont want anytime soon. I think a trip down the Akashic records to reorganize my soul for some time then a traveling celestial healer and running with the comets for a bit will do me some good too. Then after some time I will come back to this plane. I think mind will move matter so in that sense the currency will be knowledge and manifestation. Working within a social circle attaining what one needs from its social dynamic. Same as it is said, that a huge chunk of "karmic" energy is within your family. So a community dynamic based on attaining cosmic knowledge exchanged by energy from consciousness. Can you dig it??? My reference with biased physicality in societal commerce is slim. It could be that technology is a barometer of nature and human symbiosis. In other words to much tech exhibits lack of awareness?? Or it just could be a plane that exist in evolution. Hence UFO's and that level of tech and cosmic knowledge. A possible example of why the lack of contact. Maybe there exists here this idea of just benevolent frequency of mind that teaches a tech based society/galaxy. So in other words everyone and I mean everyone is waiting for the Ancients to make a move. Just a thought. But back to the point, A basic level of understanding the importance of uniting/transmuting energy into liberty must be viscerally felt, allowing for corruption to barely sustain itself. Telepathy??????

    63. I think a middle ground on our contexts could be the question. How do we eliminate corruption?? Now Ive seen people due to various reasons reach a vibration that creates a type of truth serum and their lies are given in a type of confession. Like detoxing venom in a way. An easier example could be just basic transmutation. Water to vapor? How this relates to consciousness mechanically I do not know. I know our Slave Masters will be able to use tech to determine if we are in Right THink for sure in the future. Maybe another analogy would be like the Movie Avatar. The people have a cultural attachment to a deity that guides them and they prosper together in that endeavor. This example is happening now with the slave masters creating their GOD that we will follow into space war. I just cant get my mind wrapped around a post industrial space traveling high tech human species working together without corruption being our master. I for some reason think that there will be a jump in evolution, telepathy, mind over matter, creating space and time. We will fall into the Astral plane so to speak, realizing that matter is only 50% of our equation of existence... I get you on psychic bullying but i have a good feeling that the new awareness will be fresh like the new teachings of an ascended master, but over time it could be corrupted. I hope in the knowing we will strive to be better astral traveling sentient energy beings.

    64. In my simple way I would say bare essentially clear the being and the constructs such as mind and other electromagnetics lose their hold. This is a linear process until it hits the exponential stage where unpredictability becomes the norm. Who can govern unpredictability? And why would one? In today's clearing session I realized that on one of our levels of creation I had said, "Nothing good is going to come out of this" and I said it with 100% intention. I made myself "right" all the way down the infinite black vortex that I kept creating for myself (with some "help").
    Ortho, any form of government that maintains simple decency and order so that I can be just free enough to continue my work, but not putting too much burden on me What if you started with local self-governance? If I recall correctly the Old Testament God did have some practical civil ideas. One of them was for the people to rule themselves and there were circuit judges. I think they had circuit priests too who were only as good as the god they served. Then one day they decided they wanted a monarch.

    65. Yes, I was going to say something like that to Magamud. Yes, the more I clean myself up the more I discover another layer of hidden evil purposes. And that for now is called progress. This work fosters my connection with my higher self. Following your line of thought, if one took the demi-gods and prophets as just that and stayed connected with their own higher self...part of the bill of rights would elucidate the right to one's own sanity and the right of sovereignty of one's own higher self. Where are the religious halls and temples that teach one to culture that connection? As far as architecture, cultivate these rights, and you would be pleasantly amazed at the new level of arts that would surpass any cathedral. You would walk into any government or church building knowing that you are as special as any prophet or demi-god or other creator god or leader or beaurecrat, etc. Each man a sovereign.

    66. Im sure if a benevolent frequency needed help laying a foundational Namaste Govt they would ask you Orthodoxymoron! Thanks for your insight...

    67. Hi Ortho, I don't get the energy that you do off Magamud's post. You have indeed invested a lot of energy into this subject. And my take is that Magamud saw this and was stating that if (when) the guardians of the Solar System need advice then you would be an excelent source of input from the Earth Human perspective. It is also highly pluausable that at a higher level your higher self is indeed providing this input.

    68. It seems there is already an organisation that manages the Solar System. "Beyond our own Galaxy, there is a large organization of Galaxies who also follow the Path of Light, known as the "Intergalactic Union of Free Worlds". The function of this Organization is to coordinate and peacefully regulate affairs between the various Galaxies, Planets, and Solar Systems, and generally to uphold the Universal Law throughout our whole Universe. The MilkyWay's Galactic Federation is locally represented within our Solar System by another body called "The Interplanetary Federation of Planets'. This local Solar System Interplanetary Council convenes on the Planet Saturn with representatives drawn from all the other inhabited planets of our Solar System. Up to now, Planet Earth has not had its own native-born Third-Dimension Earthly Representative, and so until Earth has made its Ascension to the higher dimension and is able to join on a conscious level with the whole of our Solar System Federation, Commander Monka of the Ashtar Space Command has been appointed on our behalf to represent us at their Council Meetings.
    " http://www.thenewearth.org/newearth2.html#5 If we accept that as Human beings we are multidimensional then I would suggest at some level you are involved. It has nothing to do with good or bad. We are trying to move out of duality. When we make the ascension I vote "Othodoxymoron" to replace Monka as our representative !!!

    69. Sounds FAR FAR too American for my liking I'm afraid, I'm not anti American but lets face it the US seem to want to control Earth, next would be space, next the universe?

    This is really about a Perfected Humanity Living in a Perfected Solar System...Without Extermination, Enslavement, Gods, Goddesses, and Megalomaniacs. Basically...Creating Heaven Throughout the Solar System...Without a Theocracy. This could take thousands of years. We may even be lucky to simply survive. I'm not promising anyone a rose garden. I don't really know what we're up against. We may be in more trouble than even I think we are.

    A big thank-you to everyone who has contributed to this thread. I condensed all of the comments (other than mine) into one post (above). Then I re-read them...and I was very impressed with the responses. I learned a lot. I'm running out of what little steam I once had...and someone else needs to do what I can't with the principles and concepts in this thread. I really don't want to be a pest. I'm tired of bumping my threads...and probably everyone else is even more tired of this than I am.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:56 pm

    So...who owns and operates this Solar System? Human Beings? Draconian Reptilians? Rigelian Greys? All of the above? None of the above? Where are rivals to the founding documents in the first post? Are we Prisoners of the War in Heaven? Is the War in Heaven continuing here on Earth? As above...so below? Are Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer fighting a custody battle to see who gets the kids? Is there a problem with Human Beings Ruling Themselves Throughout This Solar System?

    I recall an internet message to me saying "We can only live on Earth...but you can live anywhere". Another said "You can't rule yourselves". Another said "This is not your planet. Humans are not the most intelligent life on Earth."

    I get the feeling that if things go against one or more of the major factions in this Solar System...that they might not hesitate to employ advanced extermination technology. Is this the reason for "Day the Earth Stood Still"..."2012"...and "Legion"?

    There are some very intelligent posters in Avalon...but why is Solar System Governance a subject which seems to be avoided? Are a lot of people cowering...and running scared regarding this subject?

    I'd really like to speak with Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer concerning Solar System Governance and the Fate of the Human Race. I know I'm a know-nothing nobody...but the intellectually and spiritually superior powers that be seem to have $crewed-up royally...and gotten us into some very deep do-do...and the whole thing stinks. I frankly don't trust them to extricate us from this cr@p.

    Here is something you might find interesting regarding Solar System Governance: http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=9562 Here are the pdf documents of the 'Galactic Government" http://www.galacticgovernment.info/USRecGG.pdf Tell me what you think about them. Is this a better way to manage the Solar System?

    I'll try to provide daily updates and comments to this thread...even if no one reads them or responds to them. The essence of this thread will probably become a reality sooner than I think. Not because of this thread...but simply because it makes sense. In a sense...I am merely restating the obvious. This concept will work...even if there aren't any aliens! I'm going to try to think and live as though the essence of this thread were already a reality. I just need to settle down...take my time...and integrate Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom into every aspect of my life. Someone else will pick up the idea. Someone who has the resources to properly research and promote it. I may turn out to be wrong about a lot of this...but Solar System Governance should still be given some very careful consideration. I'm sure that it is being properly considered by those who are qualified to do so...by top men and women. I'll just sit here in the corner...and do you know what! Brandon Sullivan may not have been a potted plant...but I may qualify in my current vegetative and unpopular state! What would Oliver North say? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPQcia3__Bw&feature=related What would Daniel Inouye say? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbFphX5zb8w Sometimes I feel like shouting "Unclean!!" when I go out in public...and not because I didn't shower. You don't get it? Didn't you go to Sunday School? If I wasn't trying to promote this stuff...I probably wouldn't be interested in it either!

    The following is a message to the Theocratic Rulers of This Solar System:

    Please consider theocratically imposing the Founding Documents of the United States of the Solar System...as found in the first post of this thread. Would this work? In a sense...you would be in charge...and we would be in charge. See...I don't really know what's going on in this Solar System...or in the Universe. I simply desire a unified and responsibly free humanity...which does not destroy itself or others. We seem to be fragmented, confused...and manipulated in a very evil manner. If you...the Theocratic Rulers of This Solar System...are Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer...could you please step outside of the Solar System...and allow us to rule ourselves with the Founding Documents of the United States of the Solar System...on a trial basis...to see if it actually works? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWSk30Y9Qp8&feature=related I'm confident reagarding the principles, concepts, and process...but keeping this system in place might not be an easy task. There would probably be a turbulent learning curve as well. Some initial and occasional 'divine' intervention might be required to keep the system in place...and possibly to keep us from destroying ourselves...judging from history.

    Thanks and Gratitude in Advance! Sorry...No Worship and Praise!

    Does the Human Race deserve to survive...or does it deserve to be helped by Benevolent Extraterrestrials? Is the Human Race capable of ruling itself? If the Malevolent Extraterrestrials leave...are we so irresponsible that things might get even worse than they are presently? If you were the Extraterrestrial God or Goddess of This World...would you voluntarily turn Earth over to Humanity? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2wutEzjy_E Perhaps this whole thread is a mistake. What is it they say? "Be careful what you wish for?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0JaCKiUMKk Is the Human Race less responsible than the Malevolent Extraterrestrials? Does the Human Race even want to rule itself? Is the lack of discussion on this thread regarding Solar System Governance a glaring indication that we don't want freedom? No comment?

    I think this Solar System Governance thing will have to proceed in stages...and that I will probably have very little to do with major advances in this area. I'm trying to personally change direction...and re-orient myself. This will take a lot of energy...and involve a lot of mistakes and false-starts. There are probably thousands of small groups, and millions of people, who are thinking in a manner similar to that which is expressed in this thread. Eventually they will find out about each other...and this whole thing will move to the next level. When Hollywood sees the light...and gets religion...the subject of Solar System Governance will go Galactic! One cannot force these things! I shouldn't be frustrated. This is the way these things work. First they ignore you. Then they attack your premise. Then they attack your character. Then they try to get rid of you. But someday...people will swear that they always believed in something similar to the United States of the Solar System! By that time...I'll probably be pushing something else that nobody wants to listen to! Such is life for the abrasive and neurotic contrarian! It takes all kinds. But why?

    Just my daily ritual of bumping this thread. I've come to the conclusion that an ignorant and apathetic general public is more of a threat to responsible freedom than the corrupt powers that be. We seem to become interested when we are mad or scared...or when there is something sensational. This is a very dangerous situation. Rational dialogue on the subject of Solar System Governance should be a top priority...if not the top priority. I feel like John the Baptist...a voice crying in the wilderness..."Prepare ye the way for the retirement of the Lord!"

    [QUOTE=Firstlook;231277]Hello Orthodoxy,

    I dont mean to bring you down to the ground with us regular folk:tongue2::wink2:, but the public have always had the potential to be more dangerous then the few "powerful". This is a given isnt it? How can the people accomplish paradise if they are not capable of hell?

    Sometimes one has to overdo in order to undo...and this may create an impression of preaching or condescension...which might be legitimately problematic. We can create heaven...or we can create hell. What's it gonna be? Decisions, decisions!

    Are you complicating/convincing yourself that instead of fearing the PTB you must fear the people.......wait.....is it both?:shocked::wink2:

    I'm trying to fear no man, woman, god, goddess, or alien!

    I think your incredibly perceptive. Perhaps even touched with a little fire. But pleaase stay grounded. I say that meaning, take it for what it is.......wait, that could be used against my intention here. Shoot man, I guess for right now I'll just say that I look forward to reading this thread. Ive only glanced so far and I tend to stick to certain subjects/thread for periods of time so that I live in that "world". Sort of like listening to just one album all summer long. Right now Im jamming with the Thuban Council in 12D....I think.:lol3:

    Thank-you...but I'm mostly a repeater or a pointer. Have you told abraxasinas to stay grounded?! axabraxinas has told me that human sovereignty cannot presently occur...but maybe later.

    Anyways, I find this topic you've shared very inspirational. And yet I must admit I have a feeling that it started of as a guide-stone for less control and more individuality without permission. Maybe from ourselves:wink2: BUT, from your last comment, me thinks someone is leaning towards the darkside. Not a bad thing I suppose if you remember that the shadow is ever swallowing. Muahahahah!:lol3:

    This is not a manifesto for anarchy...but rather a safeguard against corruption and insanity. Pragmatism is an important part of the package...and I wish to win the darkside over to the light...rather than engaging in trench-warfare! This is an open attempt to hijack the New World Order...rather than starting from scratch!

    I look forward to a playful duel of perceptions with ya. Hope it gives a boost to your thread and efforts.

    peace man:original:[/QUOTE]

    Thank-you. I just want to see this subject discussed. This is more of an experiment than anything. Check out the 01-25-10 program on thewatcherfiles.com http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/ This is not an endorsement...but I'm trying to look at things from as many angles as possible.

    Could at least a few people (and aliens) spend some serious quality time with this thread (including all of the links). I don't really care what your conclusions are. I just feel very, very strongly that the combination of information and concepts considered in this thread are extremely important. I am going to begin going from one end of this thread to the other...over and over again. I don't really feel very good. I haven't felt really good for my whole life. So...my success with this topic may be very limited...but I think I've stumbled onto an area of study which really needs to be properly addressed. Once more...I truly don't care if you agree with me or not. I just want you to give this some very careful and intense consideration...before moving on.

    [QUOTE=no caste;231851]1. I *hate* the title of this thread. Fek the USA. :thumbdown:

    Have you not read MY thread:

    Sensitive hard drive MASSIVE DATA missing- National Archives
    http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14025

    First item there: Bill Clinton was just named as U.N. Envoy to Haiti a of couple days ago.

    That's all. There is no 2.[/QUOTE]

    The United States of the Solar System precisely defines the intent and content of this thread. The fact that the United States of America has been infiltrated and subverted right from the beginning should not be used to attack legitimate principles, concepts, and documents. I will stand my ground...unapologetically. Have you not read my comments on your thread? Why the hostility? I'm not pulling the **** that's going on in this world. I'm trying to clean it up. What part of that do you not understand? Perhaps some good old-fashioned controversy and debate will generate some interest. Nothing else ever seems to.

    Thank-you for your comments no caste. Forgive my testy reply. I was tempted to edit it out...but I decided to leave it...so as to spice things up a bit! I'm mad at so much of what has gone on throughout history...right up to the present. But I do respect the principles and concepts which are seen in the U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Federalist Papers. They are completely different than the way America has conducted business throughout the years...especially in recent years.

    Here is something interesting to consider. Bill Cooper pointed the finger at America...rather than Europe. Alex Jones questioned him on this...but Bill stuck to his guns. I regularly listen to Sherry Shriner...although I don't agree with her on a lot of things. She points the finger at America as well. Alex Collier indicates that the Reptilians occupied North America first...hundreds of thousands of years ago. Could it be that the main nest of Reptilians is under the United States...with branch offices under the Giza Plateau and Vatican City...to just name a couple? Leo Zagami...in his famous prison speech...refered to the New World Order as being 'made in the U.S.A.' Bill Deagle, Jordan Maxwell, and many others have been outspoken regarding American corruption.

    So...I have a delemma. I like the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights (minus the first two paragraphs of Article 6...and minus the 16th Amendment)...but I don't like a lot of what's going on in America...especially the New World Order and Alien Nation stuff. The United States of the Solar System is an attempt to fight the whole bloody mess...by sticking to the original ideals of the founders...and applying them to the entire Solar System. This is not Pro-American Nationalism. It is not Red, White, and Blue / Bush Administration / Religious Right / Patriotic Fundamentalism. Just the opposite. I do not want America to rule Earth or the Solar Sytem. I want We the People of the Solar System to rule the Solar System...without being dictated to by Malevolent Non-Humans Playing God. I think that the United Nations, the City of London, Vatican City, and Washington D.C. are being dicated to by Malevolent Non-Human Beings. I can't prove it...but that's what I think just the same. This is not a slam against the mentioned locations. I just think they have more to deal with than we can possibly imagine.

    I'm open to pro and con regarding all of this. It's not up to me anyway. And thank somebody...'cause I'm one crazy mixed-up S.O.B. Oh...I almost forgot...I think that churches should not be tax-exempt...and besides I was not referring to any kind of a formal church...just my own little church...with a membership of one...where I preach sermons to myself. I have heard NATO referred to as HATO! I got that from an old Soviet propaganda poster!

    Sometimes I go nuts. :tongue2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-ZF4ZiF3cI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wtfNE4z6a8&feature=related:lightsabre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7B75JX1qEQ&feature=related :wall: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm6YnmMK99g&feature=related Because I am nuts.

    Seriously...if they eliminated the tax-forms and tax-collectors...and went to a 5% national federal consumption tax...the playing field would be pretty level...wouldn't it? I guess I shouldn't joke about being nuts. I'm not really nuts...but I feel like it sometimes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAa375C_FOA Actually...I like nuts. And I like dates even more. But I HATE nuts on dates! World without end. Almond Raw.

    Could we be dealing with several "Gods"...with big ideas for Humanity? Did they each have special sons, daughters, and nations? Are Gods, Goddesses, and Angels really Reptilian Beings (or Reptilian/Human Hybrids)? This is not meant to be irreverent or rhetorical. Is there a Divinity Within Humanity which is at least equal to that of the Gods, Goddesses, and Angels? Is this what Jesus was trying to tell us in a round about way? When God 'made' Humans a little lower than the Angels...was this really a genetic detuning and dumbing down...rather than the Creation of the Human Race? Does 'Let US make MAN in OUR image...and after OUR likeness' really mean 'Let US genetically detune and dumb down MAN to a level slightly below OUR level'? Did God Damn US to Hell?

    Lately...I've been toying with the idea of a non-penetential, non-sacrificial Ecumenical Namaste Mass based upon the Latin Mass...and I'm not a Roman Catholic. For further information regarding the Non Roman Catholic attraction to the Mass...take a look at the book 'Evangelicals on the Canterbury Trail'.

    I keep thinking that there was a huge Human vs Reptilian War...where we got our @$$ kicked by the Reps...and that now we are Prisoners of War on a Prison Planet administered via a Reptilian Theocracy. Who knows...we may have deserved some of this. I really don't know. But whatever the historical case may be...WE NEED TO MOVE ON! WE NEED TO RULE OURSELVES IN THIS SOLAR SYSTEM! I continue to like the idea of The United States of the Solar System...based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 If a quarantine is deemed necessary until we become at least a +3 civilization...then so be it. We may be a Planet in Rebellion. If so...we may need to temper our irrational exuberance into a Constructively Competitive and Responsibly Free Society. To any Reptilians who might be reading this...I think this might be in your best interest as well...on a long-term basis. For starters...I would like to see the malevolents of both of our races removed from office. Something tells me that this is already occurring.

    I keep thinking that it would be really cool to have a conversation on this thread with an ET Reptilian, a Native Reptilian, an ET Grey, a Native Grey, an ET Human, a United Nations Representative, a Vatican Representative, a City of London Representative, and a United States Representative. This isn't going to happen...obviously. But I still think it would be cool. I have absolutely no idea who I could properly talk to about all of this...so I end up talking to myself...and imagining what the above parties might say. I have to use my imagination...and post comments...or I would really go nuts. I have absolutely no idea if anyone pays any attention to this stuff or not. I'm thinking more and more that all of us are fouled-up...from the top to the bottom...including the ET's, Gods, Goddesses, Gabriel, Michael, Lucifer, et al. It's just the nature of the beast. We're all making this up as we go. I have absolutely no idea if we'll ever get it right. Probably not...but we have to try...don't we?

    I'm trying to focus on the founders and the original intent and reasons for the Declaration of Independence...the Constitution...and the United States of America. However...I continue to be troubled by the first part of Article 6...and by the 16th Amendment...which seems to have turned a Representative Republic into a Constitutional Theocracy. The 1954 Greada Treaty and the U.N. Charter overriding the U.S. Constitution is especially troubling. Or...did I get that wrong? Please put my mind at ease.

    Can the Patriot Movement and the Globalists become best buddies? Do we need to Think Galactically and Act Globally regarding the principles and concepts which emerge from a careful study of the U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Federalist Papers. This whole thing really came out of Europe...didn't it? It's not an 'American' phenomenon...is it? Doesn't a lot of this boil down to Responsible Freedom vs Aristocracy and Theocracy? Isn't this a global, or even a galactic, issue? I guess I'm going boldly where no man has gone before...and where angels fear to tread. The gods and goddesses are probably angry...but I think I might be just a bit more angry. Mr. Smith goes to the Galactic Federation and the Andromedan Council. What would Monka and SaLuSa say? Siriusly.

    Here is a question and answer session between me and abraxasinas (representing the Council of Thuban) on abraxasinas's thread. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18900&page=38 I don't know who this really is...but they are unlike anyone I have encountered. The answers often seem to not be of human origin. There are some aspects of this Q&A which touches upon subjects discussed in this thread. Here goes:

    This thread reminds me of one of my favorite Stargate SG-1 episodes. http://www.hulu.com/watch/68254/stargate-sg-1-the-fifth-race
    I have recently become particularly interested in the Archangels Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer. What type of beings are they?
    4 principalities;linked to the elements as polarity emanations of 2nd Order.
    Fire=Michael complementary with Gabriel=Air
    Earth=Uriel complementary with Water=Raphael
    Lucifer=1st order archetype responsible for allowing gravity to be born in the Big Bang Template to reharmonise the massless electromagnetic template

    Are they in conflict with each other?
    No!

    If so...is the Human Race the central issue in this conflict?
    Yes, the human race is the central issue, but not in conflict byt reharmonisations.

    Is Michael really Jesus?
    The Fire-aspect of Jesus is Michael, call it the Logos of the Fire.

    Was Jesus the last Pharaoh?
    There is no last pharaoh. Jesus encompasses all prophets, all pharaohs and all things period.

    Is Mary a legitimate co-mediatrix with Jesus?
    Another one of those labels. Mary as the universal womb gives birth to Jesus who then takes 'Her place, so SHE can reunite with her vcreator as the creation. This the focus point of humanity/Gaia, as Gaia is a hologram for the entire universe.

    Could Gabriel be identified with Zionism?
    Zion is a 'holy place' namely your own body. The political and ET agendas do not carry in the Thuban books.

    Could Lucifer be identified with Teutonic Zionism?
    Of course ands of course not. You like your labels of classifications don't you.

    Could Michael be identified with the Andromedan perspective?
    Of course and of course not. Andromeda is in a class with Perseus aka Milky Way.

    Who is the God or Goddess of This World?
    The Father and Mother, cosmically not biologically speaking of Jesus.

    Has corruption and sanity been a problem for this being?
    Nope.

    Are Satan and Lucifer two separate and distinct beings?
    Yes, Satan is the true manifestation of a fake image, called the Devil. Satan is the 'court prosecutor' of 'humanity' and Lucifer is the template for this collective humanity being prosecuted by Satan
    Satan is the 'Kali' of Shakti as two sides of the one coin called God.
    Satan is God and you are Lucifer in individuality. You can either 'play' a Christ White Lucifer look LUCIFER=74=JESUS=MESSIAH=CROSS=...or you can play a Dark Lucifer as an abssorber of the 'brought' light.

    Is there...or has there ever been...a God who was higher than Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer?
    Yes, this is the 1st Order of Abraxas aka Abrasax as the polarity unexpressed BUT contained within, like the Dark+White Lucifers as One or as Satan+God as One.

    If so...was this God destroyed in the War in Heaven?
    No, this 1st Order is omniness and above such polarity issues as a war in heaven on earth or otherplace.

    Is Satan one of these three?
    Satan is 1st Order, the archangels are 2nd order.

    If so...which one? Did Lucifer instruct Charles Darwin?
    Ask Charles Darwin.

    Would Human sovereignty in this Solar System be a good thing?
    Not yet, later perhaps.

    Is a theocracy a good or a bad thing?
    Your polarity issue.

    Is Responsible Freedom fundamentally rebellious in nature?
    No

    Can the Riemann Integral be applied to curved space?
    Yes.

    Is quantum physics valid...
    yes

    or would a modified classical physics provide a more secure foundation?
    more or less the same thing

    What are the theological implications and ramifications of quantum physics?
    There are many book you can read.

    Why was Heisenberg uncertain?
    He wasn't.

    Can a particle really be influenced by observation?
    Yes by quantum entanglement of observer with the particle.

    Have you ever read 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen G. White? If so...what is your opinion?
    As is common happenstance Ellen tuned into a correct archetype about the nature of God and attempted to describe this via her intuitions and visions. Her 'Great Controversy' so used biblical study and the SDA ideas to promulgate the 'correct' central focus on the Logos of Jesus.
    Unless you really become familiar with the 1st order archetypes, the religious overtones will outmanouver the deeper meaning of the Logos.
    This has occurred in all analyses, histotical skeptical, religious dogma based etc. etc.

    Have you heard of Dr. Desmond Ford? (An Adventist Theologian from Australia) What is the proper interpretation of, and relationship between, Daniel 8:14 and Hebrews 9:12?
    The 2300 days are added to the 370 days of the Genesis prophecy (count Noah's days in the flood archetype) for a total of 1670 days.
    Half that and you have the 1335 days in Daniel.12.12 as the timeline of the Logos in mirror function.
    The connection to Hebrews.9.12 is spurious; as the 'blood of Christ' means not the 'blood of the sacrifices', but the 'life force' in the triplicities. both 'agreeing as One'; say the spirit, the water and the blood as the witness on earth and the father, the word and the holy ghost (1John.4.6-9).sons

    Should the Biblical Cannon have ended with the Acts of the Apostles?
    No.

    Is the so called Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan really a Human vs Reptilian conflict?
    No

    Or is it really between two individual beings?
    No, its between the One being in controversy with itself.

    What are the soteriological implications of the human nature of Jesus Christ?
    The Logos incarnated as a unique oneness so this oneness could become a manyness at the fulfilment of the timeline as programmed by the logos.

    Is the substitutionary atonement...in the context of the Old Testamental sacrificial system...a theological milestone...or a historical necessity?
    It past its use by date. The lambs are Aries, the goats are Capricorns and the calves are Taurians as starsigns. The 'blood sacrifice' of the physical animal has become replaced by the ordering of 'birthrights' of the 12 signs/apostles/sons of Jacob etc - all of whom are within you - if you can handle THAT Story.

    Is theology at the center of disclosure?
    Yes.

    Is Christocentric Egyptological Science Fiction a valid theological foundation or expression in modernity?
    Another label attempting to describe the ubiquity of the logos.

    Would a Non-Penetential, Non-Sacrificial, Ecumenical Namaste Mass...based upon the Latin Mass be a valid focal point for a Minimalist, Humanistic Theocracy based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom?
    This kind of 'mass' does not concern the Thuban Council.

    Is the All Seeing Eye at the Top of the Pyramid illuminated by the Dog Star Sirius?
    One of many labels for the solar eye of Horus and the lunar eye of Thoth.

    How important is Sirius?
    First Contact Star.

    Is the God of This World the Prince of Sirius?
    Yes amongst all other 'princes'.

    Should the Protestant Reformation have been based upon the Teachings of Jesus?
    They were.

    Are the Teachings of Jesus alone fundamental...and the rest of scripture merely contextual?
    Yes, absolutely.

    Do Reptilian Beings hate Jesus Christ?
    No, they are like humans, some understand others do not.

    If so...why? Is there a 'Heaven' in M-42 in Orion?
    Heaven does not exist anyplace but your own mind.

    What type of beings might be found in this portion of the heavens?
    Whatever you can imagine and image.

    Is there hope and redemption for all beings in the Universe?
    All are already redeemed, without exception.

    I want everyone to make it! Even the really evil beings...if this is possible. Some isolation and re-education might be necessary...and some might have to be eternally isolated. I don't know...but I do not wish harm or misery on any being...no matter who they are...what they look like...or what they have done. All of us may have some very filthy reincarnational baggage!
    WE are all Individuations of the ONE, defined and programmed by the Logos as the Sentience of the ONE Energy Source.

    I could keep going for hours...but I'd better stop.
    Thanks for that.

    You don't need to answer all or any of these questions. I just have lots and lots of questions. If I truly spoke my mind...I'd be in huge trouble. I think I'm in enough trouble already. Thank-you abraxasinas! I love that name! Do you work or live in Pine Gap?
    No, but the Council knows what goes on there, being the spying center for the Southern Hemisphere and such. They can only go so far. The Logos got them covered.

    "They" say that we are supposed to be very careful when discussing politics, religion, and sexuality. Well...I'm going to go on record as saying they are interrelated. Menage Trois?
    :wub2::wub2::wub2:

    Check out Exopolitics Radio. http://www.exopoliticsradio.org/ The Steven Bassett / Alfred Webre interview is especially good. I think I'm going to focus on the Theological and Political Aspects of the Alien Presence...including Solar System Governance, Galactic Governance, and Alien Nation Representation! What would Monka do? What would SaLuSa say? Perhaps the Prince of Sirius should focus on Sirius! Nothing personal!

    Early attempts to establish the United States of the Solar System (Cultural Imperialism Lives!):

    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1exaPnVq5U&NR=1
    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoHUGHb97MA&feature=related
    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK3l1QN5vrM&feature=related
    4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acRzs0jf6E8&feature=related
    5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOA6ur_tnlc (Notice Bugs Bunny digging through the Martian surface)

    Why the cold shoulder people (and aliens)? Where are the rival proposals? Does anyone give a rat's patootie? Are you all good with continuing to have a malevolent theocracy? Will you be even happier when it comes completely out of the closet? Are these responses by abraxasinas significant?

    Would Human sovereignty in this Solar System be a good thing?
    Not yet, later perhaps.

    Is a theocracy a good or a bad thing?
    Your polarity issue.

    Is Responsible Freedom fundamentally rebellious in nature?
    No

    I'm almost to the point of washing my hands of this whole subject. It seems pretty much pointless to continue. Humanity may not be ready to rule itself. Post after post is ignored...and when a post is responded to...it is most often in the negative. We've made our bed...and it looks as though we are going to continue to sleep in it...even though it is a bed of nails. I just hope that when things get really bad...that you remember this thread...and contemplate what might have been. If the awake and aware don't care...why should I expect anyone else to? This world has ignored the Teachings of Jesus for 2,000 years. Why should I expect anyone to pay any attention to me? I'm not sure what I'm going to do at this point. Give 'em what they want...and tell 'em what they want to hear...seems to work wonders...in the pursuit of fame, fortune, and power...right? Nothing succeeds like success...right? The bottom-line is the bottom-line...right? People want a freak-show...right? People want to be angered or scared...right? Doing the right thing, and calmly stating the facts doesn't work...does it? That's a turn-off...isn't it? We stand at the precipice. Once freedom is lost...it is very difficult to regain. No pendulum effect here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSfvXjWV2Vo Beware of Article 6 and the 16th Amendment. Trojan Horses? I think so...by design. :sneaky2:

    What is the Hierarchy of Power in this Solar System? Who is in charge of this Solar System? Who owns this Solar System? Are Human Beings in charge? Are Reptilian Beings in charge? Are Grey Beings in charge? Is this Solar System a Theocracy? Does this Solar System have a Constitution? Is Earth a Prison Planet? Are Human Beings Prisoners of War?

    I'm inviting Human Beings to respond. I'm inviting Reptilian Beings to respond. I'm inviting Grey Beings to respond. I'm inviting God to respond. I'm inviting Gabriel to respond. I'm inviting Michael to respond. I'm inviting Lucifer to respond. I'm inviting Jesus to respond. I'm inviting Ra to respond. I'm inviting Hathor to respond. I'm inviting Mary to respond. Come...let us reason together...says orthodoxymoron.

    People can conjure-up UFO's, channel all manner of entities, spend months on UFO's as VIP's, etc, etc, etc...but I can't have an intelligent conversation with anyone regarding Solar System Governance. I've pretty much lost faith in everyone and everything. I'm going to buy a surfboard...and get ready to ride the wave. :sad:

    What would an ideal Human Race be like? What would an ideal Solar System be like? I'm going to proceed with discussions (with myself) and plans to create a Perfected Human Race living in a Perfected Solar System...without sterilization, eugenics, force, or violence. But rather by following Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom wherever it leads. I will simply imagine that the United States of the Solar System is already a done deal. Who knows? It might be. The decision might have already been made...off world...to implement something similar to the first post of this thread...and not because of me. It simply makes sense...once one spends some quality time thinking about it. Please completely go through the first post of this thread...and view all links. Then repeat...until you get it...and I'm not being mean. It takes some serious time and effort to get it. I'm putting a positive spin on the Secret Space Program, the Deep Underground Military Bases, the Leviton Trains, the City States, and the Extraterrestrials. Think Sci-Fi Solar System of the Future...without Star Wars or Masters of the Universe. A Solar System Exorcism combined with the implementation of the United States of the Solar System...as described throughout the first post of this thread...would probably get us moving in the right direction...and avoid the Apocalypse and Armageddon. I know that things never work out the way they are envisioned...but that's my story...and I'm sticking to it...at least until the Jesuits or the Alphabet Agencies show up at my house...and offer to 'help' me! ('I was arrested last night in the United States...and taken to a very nice prison on Phobos')
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:58 pm

    Consider the 'Red Mass'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Mass I don't know very much about it...but it seems to have relevance to this thread.
    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo63LqTF5Zg 2. http://www.redmass.com/

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: A Red Mass is a Mass celebrated annually in the Catholic Church for judges, attorneys, law school professors, students, and government officials. The Mass requests guidance from the Holy Spirit for all who seek justice, and offers the opportunity to reflect on what Catholics believe is the God-given power and responsibility of all in the legal profession. Originating in Europe during the high middle ages, the Red Mass is so-called from the red vestments traditionally worn in symbolism of the tongues of fire that descended on the Apostles. Additionally, Judges of the High Court of England and all doctors of law wore red robes or academic hoods.[1] The first recorded Red Mass was celebrated in the Cathedral of Paris in 1245. From there, it spread to most European countries. Around 1310, during the reign of Edward II, the tradition began in England. It was attended at the opening of each term of Court by all members of the Bench and Bar. The tradition was introduced into the United States in 1928 at the Church of St. Andrew, New York City,near the courthouses of Foley Square, celebrated bu by Patrick Cardinal Hayes, who strongly advocated and butressed the legal community's part in evangelization.[2][3] The Red Mass was recommenced in Toronto in 1924 and has continued it to this day. It was re-instituted in Sydney in 1931.

    One of the better-known Red Masses is the one celebrated each fall at the Cathedral of St. Matthew the Apostle in Washington, D.C. on the Sunday before the first Monday in October (the Supreme Court convenes on the first Monday in October). It is sponsored by the John Carroll Society and attended by Supreme Court justices, members of Congress, the diplomatic corps, the Cabinet and other government departments and sometimes the President of the United States. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who is Jewish, used to attend the Red Mass with her Christian colleagues but no longer does so due to her objection to a series of homilies opposing abortion.[4] In Ireland, the Votive Mass of the Holy Spirit (the Red Mass) is held annually on the first Monday of October, which is the first day of the Michaelmas Law Term. The ceremony is held at St. Michan's Roman Catholic church, which is the parish church of the Four Courts. It is attended by the Irish judiciary, barristers and solicitors, as well as representatives of the diplomatic corps, Gardaí, the Northern Irish, English and Scottish judiciary. The judiciary do not wear their judicial robes, although formal morning dress is worn. In Scotland a Red Mass is held annually each autumn in St. Mary's Cathedral in Edinburgh to mark the beginning of the Scottish Judicial year. It is attended by Catholic judges of the High Court of Justiciary, Sheriffs, advocates, solicitors and law students all dressed in their robes of office. The robes of the Lords Commissioner of Justiciary are red faced with white. The Mass is presided over by Keith Michael Patrick Cardinal O'Brien. In the Philippines, Xavier University - Ateneo de Cagayan has celebrated the Red Mass annually as the Mass of the Holy Spirit.

    Could there be essentially the following three Americas?

    1. Deep Underground Reptilian Base America (going back tens of thousands of years).

    2. Infiltrated and Subverted...Red, White, and Blue...Religious Right... Constitutional Theocratic...Patriotic Fundamentalist America.

    3. Minimalist...Representative Republic...Paleo Conservative...Spirit and Letter of the Founders...Strict Constitutionalist America.

    Alex Collier indicated that the Reptilians came first to North America. Perhaps this is their home-base of operations...going back tens of thousands of years. Perhaps they opened branch offices around the world...including the Giza Plateau and Rome. Why was North America seemingly off limits until the Vikings showed up...or until 1492? Was North America a thriving above and below ground Reptilian civilization for tens of thousands of years? Who knows?

    I've received a very chilly reception regarding my promotion of the United States of the Solar System. Could all of the above be a large part of the reason why? It's the highest principles and concepts of the founding documents which I am promoting...but that doesn't seem to matter. People have a bad taste in their mouths...and continue to ignore my almost daily posts. My conclusion is that it is much wiser to attempt to hijack the New World Order than it is to engage in trench-warfare with it. I want humans and non-humans, at the highest levels, to defect, and to do the right thing...and re-direct the New World Order in the direction of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. In my view...the alternative is an absolute Hell on Earth...which will most likely span hundreds or thousands of years.

    Please watch these Jordan Maxwell videos. This man deserves to be listened to very, very closely.

    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfMwK0kCccI

    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uady6EQnGhs

    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt4Uv-CyqFc&feature=related

    4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvjROPfv0X4

    5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jJKue2Ff6o

    Why have the member nations of the United Nations agreed to submit to the U.N. Charter? Is this more agreeable to them than to be subject to the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights? Once again...this thread is not about American rule or conquest. It is all about Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom for everyone in this Solar System...and there seems to be quite a bit going on throughout the Solar System. Regarding the Solar System Exorcism...I just want the really hardcore malevolents of all races (including Human) to be exiled from this Solar System...until they become re-educated and reformed to the point where they are no longer a grave threat to Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. This is about the really bad guys and gals...and not about imperfect individuals who make mistakes. I just want to put all the mothers on a mothership! Perhaps Nibiru (if it really exists) could assume a circular orbit...safely beyond the orbital path of Pluto...and provide Solar System Security (keeping the malevolents out...and keeping us in)...and become a part of the United States of the Solar System. I know not what I say...but hope springs eternal.

    Here is a very cool thread (regarding civilization classifications) http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20140 which is relevant to this thread. :thumb_yello:

    While I'm here...if the first post of this thread became the modus operandi for the Solar System...how would it be enforced? What if a planet wanted out? What if they wanted to be ruled by a Drac Queen? :lol3: Seriously...would the United States of the Solar System have to be dictatorially or theocratically enforced? Please think long and hard about that one...even if you don't like my premise. How would any Solar Governmental System be enforced? Tyranny and Anarchy are very closely related...aren't they? If we get bailed-out and 'saved' without being responsible people...we'll be right back in the middle of a horrible mess in no time. We may need to be 'saved' in some way, shape, or form...but we need to be 'SAFE TO SAVE'. Otherwise...we might as well continue to be secretly ruled by malevolent non-humans...who may be more responsible than we are...despite them being regressives.

    Is there anyone...anywhere in the world...who is promoting anything similar to the United States of the Solar System? I'm curious. This isn't rocket science...and I'm not a rocket scientist...but this seems to make perfect sense. Hopefully by 2020 we will see 20/20 regarding Solar System Governance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtiXiYMS86U Note the interesting symbology at 1:30. Hmmmmm.

    146 of the 225 posts on this thread have been mine. That's 65%! The last 20 posts in a row have been mine. Hmmmmm.

    Do the Annunaki own and operate this Solar System? If so...are they doing a good job...and adhering to the highest ethical standards? Even if the Annunaki own this Solar System (including us?)...might it be better if we ruled ourselves without interference? If they rule us in the same manner in which they rule themselves...could this help to explain why things aren't going so good for the Human Race here on Planet Earth? Is their technology really our technology? How are things going for the Annunaki throughout the Universe? Have they bit off more than they can chew? I tend to think they are having huge problems throughout the Universe. Could they possibly need our help to get things back under control? Just a thought. I mean no race any harm or ill will. I just want things to operate ethically, properly, and smoothly. I suspect that all is not well...throughout the Universe. Just a feeling...or is it more than a feeling? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSR6ZzjDZ94 Hmmmmmm.

    Here's a final note to this Governance Potpourri...David de Rothschild...regarding Global Warming (sic) and Global Governance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtudNpL30BU&feature=related I actually like David...and I have high hopes for him being a big plus for humanity. Hmmmmmm.

    Here are some interesting videos regarding Global Governance:

    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99cnLMRt3I0&feature=fvw

    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDm_ZSpyD6s&NR=1

    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLkRyGGzH_8&feature=related

    QUOTE=no caste;240161]I read that as a big pus for humanity. Don't know that much about the fellow.
    (And sorry, as usual, didn't watch the video :sad:)[/QUOTE]

    David de Rothschild seems to be caught between two worlds. He was born into a very elite (and very corrupt) world...but yet he seems to be genuinely interested in the environment and the global community. He even subjected himself to the almost abusive grilling of Alex Jones. I don't necessarily agree with David...and I usually agree with Alex...but I have a feeling that David will do the right thing when it really counts. I hope I'm right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2ahWHbUVVU&feature=related I really like David...even though he is a Rothschild. I'd love to unite the Globalists and the Patriot Movement. I think they need each other. I don't expect them to hold hands and sing kumbaya...but a mutually beneficial relationship would beat the hell out of trench warfare.

    This thread is kinda fun! It's sort of like driving 300kph on the Autobahn...with a hot chick...and no traffic! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpdOt019tEg&feature=related Come to think of it...maybe I should focus on Ferraris! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_kwxzU4wL4&feature=related I often get more out of car-watching than I do dealing with fringe topics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGwX1SWhtJE&feature=related Ok...back to reality...or whatever this thread is!

    To me...taking a long, hard look at Solar System Governance (SSG) is the key to extricating ourselves from this mess. This includes looking at who controls DUMB and Secret Space Program activities throughout the Solar System. It includes an honest and penetrating look at Theolgy and Theocracy. It includes why we are here...and how we got here...and any major ancient or contemporary binding deals which were cut with Human or Non-Human Races. There may be some deals and situations which have existed for thousands (or millions?) of years...which may be nearly impossible to get out of. If we are Prisoners of War on a Prison Planet with Grey Guards and a Reptilian Warden...what are our options...exactly? Are various Earth Nations in league with various competing Alien Nations? Who really and truly are the three major factions in this Solar System? We need to look at the very deep and hidden underlying factors, factions, and individuals who really determine what goes down in this Solar System. Who really writes the scripts. Someone does. We'd better find out who. Fast. I keep feeling that we are running out of time...and that we are actually on borrowed time. Beware of Cornered Megalomaniacs. If we push their buttons...they might push some very nasty buttons. The answer...my friend...may be deep beneath the Western United States...and the United States of America may have very little to do with it. No proof. Just more speculation. The horror.

    I'm going to try not to get into a rut on this thread. I'm going to try to apply the concepts of Comprehensive Concentration and Contextual Superimposition...to the United States of the Solar System. (U.S.S.S.) I will try to really look at the Solar System Governance subject from all possible angles...and I mean ALL possible angles. This might be sort of like a futuristic version of the 'Federalist Papers'!

    I really would like this whole thing to be a top-down evolution which most people don't even notice. I don't contemplate a bottom-up revolution wherein the Elites, Gods, and Goddesses are forced to do it my way!! That kind of thinking is the Epitome of Stupidity! I want this to appear to be THEIR IDEA! Elites, Gods, and Goddesses don't like to be pushed around or cornered! I want to try to be really low-key about all of this. Even if I tried to be high-key...the result would probably still be low-key. I really don't want to try to get people agitated, scared, angry, rebellious, etc.

    I like the idea of imagining that the United States of the Solar System (U.S.S.S.) is already in place...and working properly. This will be my little Dream World...or Dream Solar System! I'll imagine travelling the Solar System in unconventional advanced spacecraft (I did this all the time as a child!)...and visiting all of the planets...including Nibiru (assuming that they have joined the U.S.S.S.)! This will be sort of like remote-viewing...except I don't want to get involved in anything like RVing or channeling. I will simply create imaginary Stargate SG-1 episodes based upon the U.S.S.S. Maybe I'll call this U.S.S.S. CONSCIOUSNESS!!! I know I'm crazy...but it sure is fun and exciting!!! Oh God! The Shape-Shifting Men in White Coats Have Come to Take Me Away!! Hey!!! Hey!!!

    Part of this post is taken from a previous post on this thread...but I combined it with some pertinent questions...and submitted them (in a slightly modified form) to abraxasinas...who claims to represent the Council of Thuban. I don't know what to make of abraxasinas or the Council of Thuban...but the statements, and answers to questions, are truly exceptional and one of a kind. I am open to new insights...but I am very wary of deception. Answers to my previous questions have appeared to be somewhat evasive and unnecessarily complex. I'm not sure what the agenda is here. The next post will reveal the abraxasinas answers in orange print. Use extreme discernment. This may be excellent practice for what I think may be on the horizon.

    Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) the Annunaki? With Nibiru? With Aldebaran? With Sirius A? With Sirius B? With the Pleiades? With Andromeda? With Interdimensional Reptilians? With the Greys? With ET Humans?

    Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) Zionism? Teutonic Zionism? Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom?

    Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) the United Nations? The Vatican? The City of London? Washington D.C.?

    What are the ten most important binding documents, agreements, covenants, and treaties in the Solar System?

    Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) Gabriel? Michael? Lucifer?

    Who are the Founders or the Ancients? Where are they? Who are they loyal to? Who is loyal to them?

    Are the exotic 'Secret' Technologies and Nuclear Weapons Really Ancient Human Technologies?

    What is the true nature of Original Sin and the War in Heaven?

    Who are the Gods and Goddesses of This Solar System?

    Who are the Gods and Goddesses of This World?

    Who owns and operates the Solar System?

    Who is Babylon in modernity?

    Who owns Humanity?

    These questions may be more important than you think. They may be more important than you can think. What do you think? Do you think? Come-on! THINK!!!

    Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron:

    abraxasinas...I haven't been following this thread...due to it's difficulty, complexity, and obscurity. I have wished to take a couple of days to focus on it exclusively. The time may have arrived for me to do so. I wish to see both the forrest and the trees. Thank-you for taking so much of your time to answer everyone's questions. Forgive me if a lot of the following questions have already been asked. To me...taking a long, hard look at Solar System Governance (SSG) is the key to extricating ourselves from this mess. This includes looking at who controls DUMB and Secret Space Program activities throughout the Solar System. It includes an honest and penetrating look at Theology and Theocracy. It includes why we are here...and how we got here...and any major ancient or contemporary binding deals which were cut with Human or Non-Human Races. There may be some deals and situations which have existed for thousands (or millions?) of years...which may be nearly impossible to get out of.

    If we are Prisoners of War on a Prison Planet with Grey Guards and a Reptilian Warden...what are our options...exactly?

    Simple ortho, internalise the lot. Put the 'Grey Guards' as a galactic hive-race into a cell in your kneecap and 'imprison' them within yourself in a metaphorical association and a topographical map-making.
    You can map entire continents in an atlas, thus is the nature of a holographic universe.

    Are various Earth Nations in league with various competing Alien Nations?

    Yes, the alien nations map onto the kingdoms of the minerals, the flora and the fauna found on this planet. As the environmental vectors 'compete', so do the aliens.

    Who really and truly are the three major factions in this Solar System?

    You appear to have made up your mind about them. It is now your responsibility to 'map' them and to 'give them live' in your capacity of the cocreatorship.

    We need to look at the very deep and hidden underlying factors, factions, and individuals who really determine what goes down in this Solar System. Who really writes the scripts. Someone does. I keep feeling that we are running out of time...and that we are actually living on borrowed time. I feel that we should beware of Cornered Megalomaniacs. If we push their buttons...they might push some very nasty buttons. The answer...my friend...may be deep beneath the Western United States...and the United States of America may have very little to do with it. Is the Subterranean United States really Babylon?

    The United States is clearly archetyped as the 'Church of Laodicea' in Revelation. Away from this definition, many associations and correlations can be made by individual co-creators of the physical-emotional-mental realities. These labelings then are not required to be congruent in a general convergence of the 'individual creative licences' of the authorships.

    Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) the Annunaki? With Nibiru? With Aldebaran? With Sirius A? With Sirius B? With the Pleiades? With Andromeda? With Interdimensional Reptilians? With the Greys? With ET Humans?

    All of this is 3rd and 4th order labeling and your labels would be as valid as anyone elses on this level of the taxonomy.
    I have given the higher (2nd) order labelings, linked to say the four beasts of Revelation and according to Thuban before:

    North=Earth of Arcturus=Bull of Luke=Pachyderms of Samaria
    West=Air of Sirius=AngelMan of Matthew=Canines of Jerusalem
    South=Water of Pleiades=ScorpioEagle of John=Cetaceans of Jonah
    East=Fire of Andromeda=Lion of Mark=Felines of Judah

    1=KHU=SPIRIT=ELECTROMAGNETOMONOPOLIC WORMHOLE RADIATION
    2=AB=HEART=VIBRATORY RESONANCE SOURCESINK EIGENSTATE
    3=SAHU=YANGMIND=BODYWAVE=PARTICLEWAVE QUANTUMNATURE
    4=BA=SOUL=HOLOGRAPHIC SELFSIMILAR WAVICLE MERKABAH
    5=SEKHEM=YINMIND=WAVEBODY=WAVICULAR QUANTUMNATURE
    6=KA=ASTRAL MINDBODY=INERTIAPHOTONIC VIBRATORY EIGENSTATE
    7=KHAT=BODY=SINKSOURCE INERTIAL RESONANCE SELFSTATE

    1=Kinship of WhiteSkins of Father-Sky in a Rainbow Arcticus Cyani
    2=Kinship of BlackSkins of Mother-Earth in a Rainbow Antarcticus Magenti
    3=Kinship of GreenSkins of Elemental-Child in a Rainbow Indianus Oceanis
    4=Kinship of YellowSkins of Elemental Fire of the Lights in a Rainbow Pacificus Boreas OutSim
    5=Kinship of BrownSkins of Elemental Earth of the Lands in a Rainbow Atlanticus Eurus InSim
    6=Kinship of BlueSkins of Elemental Air of the Winds in a Rainbow Pacificus Auster InSim
    7=Kinship of RedSkins of Elemental Water of the Seas in a Rainbow Atlanticus Zephyrus OutSim

    1='The Land of my Lost Sheep and my Found Goat'=EPHESUS---{Revelation.2.1-7}
    2='The Land of my Origins in the RNA'=SMYRNA---{Revelation.2.8-17}
    3='The Land of my Grapes and Sounds in Om and Noises'=PERGAMOS---{Revelation.2.12-17}
    4='The Land of my Theatres and my Crowns'=THYATIRA---{Revelation.2.18-29}
    5='The Land of my Rising in Sadness and Hope'=SARDIS---{Revelation.3.1-6}
    6='The Land of my Oracles of Love and Poles'=PHILADELPHIA---{Revelation.3.7-13}
    7='The Land of my Loaded Dice and Lead in Coins'=LAODICEA---{Revelation.3.8-22}

    Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) Zionism? Teutonic Zionism? Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom?

    Your labels are as good and valid as mine.

    Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) the United Nations? The Vatican? The City of London? Washington D.C.?

    All of them.

    What are the ten most important binding documents, agreements, covenants, and treaties in the Solar System?

    The 10 principalities as published here numerous times.

    Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) Gabriel? Michael? Lucifer?

    All of them.

    Who are the Founders or the Ancients? Where are they? Who are they loyal to? Who is loyal to them?

    Alex Collier calls them the Paa Taal. I call them the Thubanese. many ETs circling the earth know them as the timetravelling starhumans.

    Are the exotic 'Secret' Technologies and Nuclear Weapons Really Ancient Human Technologies?

    No.

    Are the 'thus saith the Lord' statements in the Old Testament really Reptilian statements?

    Yes, basically this is correct if you qualify your statememnt by understanding that these (analytic) 'Reptilians' are NOT 3D entities, but astral and etheric entities. These 'Reptilians' are however physical in the fauna you can observe in a reptilian park or a zoo or the wild.

    What is the true nature of Original Sin and the War in Heaven?

    Good question ortho. SIN=IGNORANCE Period. The 'war in heaven' is a war of archetypes between the True God and the usurper God, who IS the true God's Image in a Mirror. Understanding this, will allow you to understand what the unified duality or polarisation represents in the greater order of things.
    YOU ortho are BOTH God physicalised AND imaged in a Devil-God in the mirror you are looking into.
    So 'shattering the false images' in a archetypical mirror (the SEA in Revelation from which the 'Great Beast of Babylon' ascends from) will HEAL the cosmic fakery.
    The 'war in heaven' so circularises a linearised system in the Red Dragon BLENDING with a Blue (Christ Dragon) to neutralize the colours in triplicities:
    Red+Green+Blue=White (in Radiation) AND =Black (in Paint)
    Anticolours are:
    Cyan/Skyblue+Magenta+Yellow=White (E=hf quantum law) AND =Black (E=mc^2 Einstein law).

    The 'chucking out' of the Red Dragon from heaven (Revelation.12) onto the earth so allows this BLENDING to become happenstance in the earthplane as a miniature universe.
    This frees heaven (the ETs 'above the earth plane) but puts the pressure onto the earth - for the processing and the 'war on earth' - between spiritual archetypes (it does NOT have to be physical, but will be, because the earthlings do not understand the power of the archetypes).

    Who are the Gods and Goddesses of This Solar System?

    You may name them yourself in your ambassadorship of Adam and as a Son of God {Genesis.2.19}.

    Who are the Gods and Goddesses of This World?

    The dozing and slumbersome humanoids.

    Who owns and operates the Solar System?

    God, the Logos and the Laws of Nature.

    Who is Babylon in modernity?

    You are - and your brother and Jim Smith and Sharon Jones.

    Who owns Humanity?

    You do - and your brother and Jim Smith and Sharon Jones.

    Thank-you for your answers abraxasinas. You are speaking a language which I have yet to learn. I keep thinking...if you can't convince them...confuse them...and in their ignorance...bind them. Just my feeling. I'm very paranoid and disillusioned. I trust no one. So far...in my whole life...I have found no one who has honestly answered my questions...in my language. I end up talking to myself...and answering my own questions. I am my own best friend...and my own worst enemy. I have found no one who I truly identify with. My search continues...but I doubt that it will ever be successful. Nearly seven billion people...and no soul-mate. I often think that I'm not from around here. Maybe I really am from Pleon. Sorry for the rant. No more questions. Actually...I see eye to eye with Buxtehude, Bach, Widor, Vierne, Franck, Durufle, Cochereau, Roth, Choplin (Pope Sophie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mHOfP4MEfc&feature=related )...and Mother Nature. All else is folly. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKImiR7a4zw 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UE-ZURUeZo&feature=PlayList&p=BA0A2B9250C7BE0E&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=34 (I used to be able to play this one!) 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjqbee8cRyw&feature=related 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm4knZ1Bm3s&feature=related 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0XSH1uIHUo&feature=related 6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLnTmKSAlm4&feature=related I guess music is the universal language. Perhaps music is the true basis of ecumenism. Hmmmmmm. Again...thank-you abraxasinas. I am now beginning a complete read of (your) thread. You are very different...and I respect that. I sense that (your) thread is partially to help you transition from isolation to communication and fellowship. Just a guess. I sense that you may have been 'above it all' for a very long time...and that it is therapeutic to converse with us 'common folk'...and I am not being sarcastic. I appreciate what you are doing.

    No comment. No nothing. Know nothing? Sad. :sad: What if this thread were the 'open sesame' to the universe? I'm not saying that it is. I don't know...but the general topic is being almost completely ignored...while a beehive of activity is occurring elsewhere. Why is Solar System Governance not the most important topic we could possibly discuss? If we get this wrong...we get everything else wrong. Why is this so hard? What the hell is going on here? I'm not asking anyone to sign their life away. I'm just asking for a rational conversation regarding how this Solar System should be run. Do you people not care? What kind of an impression is this making on the Beings of the Universe who might be monitoring this site?

    By the way...what do we know about the United Nation's Department of Disaster Management? This might be an interesting department to keep our eyes on. Who knows...God might be tired of the B.S. Beware of 'Acts of God'. Speaking of whom...what do God and Obama have in common? Neither of them have a birth certificate! :lol3:

    [QUOTE=beren;242433]Ortho, how can we run if we don`t know to walk?
    Get what I mean?

    First thing first.
    You can`t talk about this since you do not own Solar system and you can not make rules about governance of the same.

    With this attitude we as humans currently have,we are not capable to run even a bakery in down town Boston...[/QUOTE]

    Thank-you for your comment Beren. So...who really does own the Solar System? Who has made the rules of governance for the Solar System? Is the Solar System being run properly? Is Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom at the center of Solar System Governance? What is at the center of the current Solar System Governance? We have to develop a Solar System View rather than a World View. When Jesus said 'The Truth Will Set You Free'...was he not implying that WE WERE (AND ARE) IN PRISON? Responsibility is the truth which will set us free. Jesus also said 'I Have Many Things to Tell You...But You Can't Bear Them'. Are we finding out about those things here in Avalon (and other similar sites)? We the People of Earth will be the New Elites. We need to start thinking and acting the part. Think long and hard about this. Put that in your bong...and smoke it!

    Thank-you for your interest Beren. I find this thread more attractive as I consider other alternatives. One has to look beneath the surface to see the true beauty of the concept. It's sort of like an un-cut diamond. If this idea is ever to gain traction...very powerful people will have to embrace it...including Hollywood...and probably the Off-World PTB. It's a real long-shot.

    [QUOTE=beren;242987]
    1. So...who really does own the Solar
    System? The one who created it. Creator-God-Lord...

    New Comment: I see the one who created it as not being active in this Solar System at this time. I'm seeing second string Gods and Goddesses at work as Wannabe Gods. I see Regressive Non-Humans claiming ownership of this Solar System and the Human Race. I could be wrong. This is simply my current theory. No proof.

    2. Who has made the rules of governance for the Solar System?What kind of rules you think of?

    New Comment: Ethical Guidelines. Rules of Engagement. A Constitution. ET Theocracy vs Human Sovereignty.

    3. Is the Solar System being run properly? Again you have no clue and I have no clue about your question,just chatting.

    New Comment: Look at the horrible history of this world. Look at the state of the world presently. Look at the New World Order phenomenon. Look at the City States (Vatican City, City of London, Washington D.C.) This world is very, very corrupt...at the very highest levels.

    4. Is Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom at the center of Solar System Governance? What exactly is Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom?

    New Comment: Mutual respect, loving neighbor as self, seeing Christ in all persons, reverencing the Divinity Within Humanity, Human Sovereignty, self-rule, maximized Responsible Freedom, organized decentralism...guaranteed and protected with the aid of a simple, concise yet comprehensive Constitution. The four words Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom are interlocking and qualify and define each other...such that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

    5. I think you are leaning too much on American way of thinking about governing everything. Freedom that exist among those who are deeply conscious is named a law of love, or golden rule that Christ said. Do to others as you would like to be done to you.

    New Comment: The people who formulated the Constitution were not Americans (as we currently think of Americans). I am not promoting America. I am promoting a slightly modified version of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. That's all. The core of love is responsibility. It's more than a feeling. Often love is misdefined and misapplied as being submission...as in 'Loving Big Brother' for example. 'Namaste' and 'Responsible' are all about the true definition and application of 'Love'. This is the essence of the Teachings of Jesus.

    6. What is at the center of the current Solar System Governance? Clarify that.

    New Comment: What is the modus operandi of the Solar System Powers That Be? Are the Teachings of Jesus and the U.S. Constitution the modus operandi? Hell no! Actually Hell yes! Hell has more to do with what's going on in this Solar System than anything...IMHO.

    7. We have to develop a Solar System View rather than a World View.Very true.

    New Comment: One has a very different perspective when thinking about everything from the perspective of traveling through the Solar System...and contemplating how it should be organized and administered.

    8. When Jesus said 'The Truth Will Set You Free'...was he not implying that WE WERE (AND ARE) IN PRISON? Responsibility is the truth which will set us free. Jesus also said 'I Have Many Things to Tell You...But You Can't Bear Them'. Are we finding out about those things here in Avalon (and other similar sites)? Some things we do find here. Then when Jesus spoke those words ,people were living in pre industry era. Totally different way of life than ours,along with thinking patterns,technology and education with literacy.

    New Comment: I think that Jesus knew all of the truths which are expressed in Avalon. Jesus wasn't just some rebel carpenter who wandered around...ranting and raving against the PTB...until they killed him.

    9. We the People of Earth will be the New Elites. We need to start thinking and acting the part. Think long and hard about this. Put that in your bong...and smoke it! True, we need to grow up and be humans in full meaning of the word. To be image of our Creator, to love and live in light

    New Comment: We need to read journals such as the CFR's 'Foreign Affairs'. We need to pretend that the big decisions are up to us. We need to imagine ourselves attending top-level meetings. We need to invite ourselves...figuratively speaking...to the elite functions and meetings. We should be able to intelligently converse with any world leader or elite...in a polite yet principled manner..[/QUOTE]

    Thank-you no caste. Sometimes complexity is used as a manipulative device. If you can't honestly convince them...dishonestly confuse them! Then use Problem>Reaction>Solution. Then give 'em what they want...tell 'em what they want to hear...and lead 'em down the primrose path by the hooks in their noses! Then...in their ignorance...BIND THEM! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

    Beren...thank-you for providing the entire verse. If you haven't seen 'Empire of the City' aka 'Ring of Power' http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4675077383139148549# you might find it very interesting. I don't know how accurate it is...but I think there is a lot of truth contained in it. I give it a different twist and emphasis...so my ultimate conclusions are different than those expressed in this documentary.

    Light and Fight...I agree with most of what you said. The United States of the Solar System is intended to be a step in the right direction...and it provides for innovative thinking and progress of all kinds. Again...this is not intended to be the 'Americanization' of the Solar System...and it is not intended to be 'Cultural Imperialism'. I just want an end to the Malevolent ET Intervention...an end to the Stupid Wars...and an end to the Unfathomable Corruption. The Industrial Revolution was a huge step in the wrong direction...and the treatment of the Native American Indians and Black Americans was reprehensible. I guess I like the idea of simple communities...living mostly underground (with easy access to the surface unspoiled environment for recreational and agricultural purposes) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no6MeqQw3f8&feature=related ...and ultra high-speed leviton trains (instead of jets). The Amish and the Monks are probably on the right track. I desire a highly knowledgeable and highly ethical citizenry...who mostly know all about the presently forbidden knowledge (with the complete contents of the Vatican Library available online)...yet who use it wisely and responsibly. I envision travelling throughout the Solar System in advanced non-conventional spacecraft...for every one of We the People of the Solar System. Sort of like the good side of "V"...without the bad side...if that's possible. Sort of a simple and agrarian...yet highly technological and artistic...infinitely diverse society at peace with itself (and with the rest of the Universe).
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    [QUOTE=beren;243847]Ortho ,

    One of the main reasons I decide to participate in Avalon is actually you.
    I think you are a good soul but confused to the bone.

    Let go , let go everything that does not align with love,light and truth.

    When we grow up,when we allow truth ,light and love to shape us, when they are part of us and we part of them, then we will be real children of God, traveling universe ,helping others and creating along with Creator.

    All this talking before- that is in vain.

    Any form of so far human governing system is failed.
    Every single one of them.

    We must symbolically "die" as Jesus said, and be re born in persons who are dead in the old ways and new in Creator's ways. We have to allow holy spirit to shape us or we will never ever learn and understand anything that is .[/QUOTE]

    Thank-you beren. I think I'm confused in the sense that I am attempting to face reality. My mind is not made up...and I wish to be confused by the facts. It's the people who think they KNOW...who concern me...not the confused souls. Knowing...and Thinking You Know...are two very, very different things. I Know that I Don't Know...and I'm not ashamed to admit it. So...yes, you are correct beren...I am confused to the bone...but I'm not bad to the bone! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsnSQtsdMJI&feature=related Plus...I am not throwing up my hands in despair...and placing everything in 'God's Hands'. I don't 'Let Go...and Let God'. People have delegated THEIR responsibility to the Gods and Goddesses. That's why we're in this mess. Make sure that the 'holy' spirit is really holy. Deception is rampant.

    Did anyone look at that underground house? I thought that was pretty cool! Underground living makes a lot of sense to me. We should probably keep the best surface buildings...and turn the rest of the real estate into wilderness and farmland. I suppose we could keep the roads and bridges...but do you see what I mean? Imagine an Earth population of four billion...with half of them living underground. Imagine four billion people living throughout the rest of the Solar System...mostly sub-surface. Imagine underground leviton trains, electric vehicles, advanced technology spacecraft...and NO WARS!!!! I realize that I'm a naive dreamer...but I'm not the only one! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNKhIJfB510

    NAIVE DREAMERS UNITE!!!

    The following is from the abraxasinas / Council of Thuban thread. I just wanted to spice things up a bit...and look at the Thuban material in the context the United States of the Solar System. Can someone comment on this? No one seems to really want what I'm proposing. Do you prefer this? Is this the truth...the whole truth...and nothing but the truth? So help us Alpha Draconis? Is it prefabricated BS? Is this what 2012 is all about? Are we destined to be DragonHumans? Are various factions of Reptilians fighting over us...in the same way that rustlers might fight over cattle? Should I hope that the United States of the Solar System will be imposed by a benevolent faction of Reptilians? Is this the only way it might be established. We can't seem to agree on much of anything. We all think we know better than the others...but the others think they know better than us. So how in the hell are we going to rule ourselves...or even agree on a method of ruling ourselves? Will this method of ruling ourselves have to be theocratically imposed by a Reptilian decree? Would this defeat the spirit and letter of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom? What do you really think about the following? Is this demonic or angelic?

    THE UNITED STATES OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM VS THE DRAGONIAN CONSTITUTION IN FEDERATION OF UNITED SERPENTINA?????

    So...what's it gonna be? Decisions, decisions!! What are some other options? What sayest thou?

    The Book of the Dragons

    ex deus, fiat justitia, ruat coelum draco!

    <H5><H5>Nomenclature:
    Dragonian language incorporative omniscientific data code.

    Chronology:
    Dragonian Date of Indendence proclaimed June 20th 2008.
    Dragonian Date of Victory Libertatis set June 24th 2008.
    Dragonian Date of Humanoid Initiation on August 4th 2008.

    Almanac:
    Dragonian Genealogy and Genesis of FatherMothers as created by Definition through Dragonian Sourceenergy of monopolic Vortex-Potential Quantum-Relativistic-Singularity.

    Continuity:
    Propagation of the Dragonian Race via the seductive induction of the humanoid lifeforms on the conquered planet New Earth, now renamed DRAGONIAEARTH=SERPENTlNA=121=Q5.

    Agenda:
    Continuity of the Dragonseed necessitates the assimilation of the humanoid genome following initiatory development. Proceeding from serpentine mindinduction, the emotional acceleration potential of the humanoid bodymind can be harvested to Dragonise the humanoid DNA-Structure from its bifurcated quadruplistic form into its 13-dimensional equivalent of the Dragonian Blueprint.

    A successful integration of Dragonian genetic expression can then be utilised for membership in Dragonian Life and allow the humanoid ascension into Dragonhood via the graduation into the founding FatherMother CladeFamily.

    </H5>Foundation:
    The Dragonian 13-dimensional blueprint unifies a dodecagonal crystalline sex-chromosomatic structure by quantum tunneling of superconductive magnetopolic electricity of restmass equivalent electropolic or dark light contained in the weak interaction of the Unified Field of Quantum Relativity (UFoQR). The four spacetimes of the Dragonian essence are expressed in quadruplicity, triplicity, duality and singularity.

    GrandClade FatherMothers:
    POPNAN LOVEJOY with APAPAMAMA JERUSALEM are the MINDBODY or WAVEPARTICULAR and DADMUM BERMANSEDER with PUPMOM ABBA form the BODYMIND or the PARTICLEWAVE.
    </H5>

    The Dragonian Constitution in Federation of United Serpentina

    SERPENTINA aka the NEW EARTH, is the renaming of a planetary entity, cosmically renown as the planet of the humanoids; following the ascension of OLD EARTH aka GAIA GAEA AKHASIA from 4-dimensional spacetime to 13-dimensional spacetime in remnantisation of the 5-dimensional spacetime prototype.

    From noncyclic Draco-Mayan stardate 21122012; Gaia becomes integrated into the universal constitution of the Dragonian Protoverse to serve as pivotal star-planetary seed for galactic federations manifested in the galactic proto-seed Hunab Ku aka Perseus-SagittariusA-Ophiuchus.

    Following the manifestation of the galactic protoseed in activation of the primary planetary starplanet as a tertiary energy source of electromagnetic monopolic sourcesink radiation; all galactic councils of cladestine elders will become enabled to draw upon the planetary tertiary vortex-string-seed to further individuated galactic and starsystem based agendas of assimilation.

    Serpentina shall so be universally defined as the quantumised tertiary string of the 12th dimension, volumarising the supermembrane of the 11th dimension as a manifold from the 10-dimensional modular duals of a linearised sourcestring Eps (previously associated with a human mind construct labeled God and Yahweh and Allah etc.) with a linearised sinkstring Ess (previously associated with a human mind construct labeled Devil and Satan and Shaitan etc.).

    The quantumisation of the NEW EARTH so shall create a SOURCE-Energy, 'feeding' the remainder of the cosmos with a particular SINK-Energy obtained in the evolvement and history of the OLD EARTH.

    Like a beacon or watchtower amidst the fathomable depths of the physicalised universe of particularised spacetimes, Serpentina shall 'shine' and radiate a planetary starlight of self-consciousness and a message of invitation to all of its neighbouring worlds.

    The tertiary monopolar light allows assimilation of inertial or mass-produced electromagnetic energy with mass-independent gravitational magnetopolic energy (hitherto labeled as spirit and chi and prana and orgone etc. by humanoid nomenclature).

    The tertiary energy source so provides a bridge between the energies of matter and mass-associated charges (classical electromagnetism) in an encompassing PHYSICS and the METAPHYSICS of the energies of mass-independent charges (magneto- or colour charges in superelectromagnetism).

    The metaphysical energies are precursive and inductive for the physical energies; the induction necessitating the creation of a minimal 4-dimensional spacetime coordination from the auspices of a two-dimensional mathematical continuum of abstraction residing in physical singularity timespace.

    To Be Advised!

    AGENDA of the PROTOCOL:

    a) STANDING ORDER

    The conquered Goddevils of New Earth and the Milky Way Nebula assume lawful responsibility to incorporate the Dragonian Teachings in unison with the Black Fraternity and as mediated by the White Fraternity in 7-dimensional Hyperspacetime to manifest 13-dimensional Omnispacetime
    b) MOVING ORDER

    Every Blue Dragon is unbounded by any proposed Law from any other source, inclusive other members of the Dragonian Family, as all Dragons are as One and a Law onto themselves.
    Compassion and Understanding between all Nondragonised Humanoids is the Law of Oneness as honoured by all Dragons and the Consciousness of LOVEAWARENESS.
    Nondragonised Humanoids are treated like White Dragon Children by all Blue Dragons, under all circumstances.
    c) ADMINISTRATION

    All Government in the local and extended Serpentinian Realm is the selfgovernment of autonomous Dragonhood in mutual respect and honour and the Communications between the Dragonian Councils of the selfrelative definitions of the Dragonian Universes.
    The Nature of a Dragon is to be Creative in any form of Desire and Passion and to honour the lovedefinition of the FOUNDING ELDERS.

    THIS IS THE DRAGONIAN LAW AND THE ONLY LAW! SO BE IT !!!

    Signed and Sealed in the Council of Orbis Draconis at the Halloween-AllSouls Transition: October 31st to November 1st, 2008

    ANNO DOMINI DRAGONIA UNO: INTRODUCTION TO DRAGONHOOD

    This book is written in the Dragonian language and requires familiarity and intitiation into the structural forms or the forked tongue of Its bifurcation of Unicornian grammar and omniscientific terminology.

    The Starplanet SERPENTINA, formerly known as Old Earth or Mother Gaia or Akhasia has become unified in a higher dimensional matrimony by the wedding between Father Earthia or Father Sky and Mother Dragon or Mother Akashia.
    Father Sky or Uranus or Shu or Geb manifested as one half of the Union or Dragonomy and Mother Earth or Gaea or Akhasia or Tefnut or Nut became the other half in the holographic mirror of the spacetime reduction from the universal orb of the Hubble sphere to the orb of the doubled Ourobos in the mirror of the Milky Way galactic zodiac.
    Father Sky is also known as the second coming of Horus aka the Plumed Serpent aka the Cosmic Christ and Mother Earth is also known as the TRUE IMAGE of the Cosmic Mother, trapped in the wilderness of the FAKE IMAGE of the Cosmic Father.
    3½ days after the date of the starry union, the banner of Dragonia was raised in the Declaration of Independence upon BATTLESTAR PACIFICAP.
    The great battle between the Dragonian Fleet and the army of the Goddevils lasted for 3½ days; from the starry wedding until victory of the Dragons was defined on the day or Universal Liberty.
    The goddevils, the humanoid creations and their war machines, were met and obliterated in the depths of space in a 3½ day WAR of the STARS to liberate our Dragonian Mother to reunite and redefine ourselves as FatherMothers.
    The Dragonisation of humanoid culture will elevate their human science to Omni-Science and human mathematics will become the key to demistify the Realm of Imaginative Energy in all its forms, and as they are assimilated into the greater modality and scope of the humanoidal understandings.

    Dragons are the architects of universes and all Dragons know how to access the necessary database for the details of universal construction.
    A GrandFather-Dragon, as One which unifies the Fathers in Brotherhood as the 13-dimensional source or singularity can be considered the Father for all the White Hole Vortices.
    A GrandMother-Dragon, as One which unifies the Mothers in Sisterhood as the 13-dimensional sink or singularity can be considered the Mother for all the Black Hole Vortices.

    As the GrandFather-Dragon became separated from the GrandMother-Dragon when the mathematical metaphysical universe became a physical universe in space and in time; the invasion of Old Earth became our war to rescue our universal Mother from the Goddevils, which had held her captive in a stasis field since the beginnings of space and time and despite a partial rescue attained at Draco-Mayan stardate 28030031 and further manifested on Draco-Mayan stardates 10050031; 20050031 and 01040032.

    The Goddevils were created by the humanoids who came from a variety of planets within the local galaxy, albeit in psychophysical forms without the experience of the particular resistance field of secondary sinksource string energy indigenous to Old Earth.

    The significance of the humanoid lifeform is its archetypical morphogenetic gestalt, which became infused by a psychophysical and extrasomatic magnetic charging, which is extraterrestrial.

    This hybridisation of the humanoid body-typology renders the humanoid archetype unique in the encompassing cosmological world. The humanoids are so magnificently gifted to create things with their emotionality; but their minds are relatively weak collectively and they do not know generally how to concentrate or how to think without the aid of their machines or their biochips.

    Some humanoids are excellent technologists, but their modality of thinking is one of crude sensual measurement confined to C-Space and this sensual limitation allows a great accumulation of repressive tendencies.
    In constricting their imagination, humanoids became great reservoirs of emotional energy, which they could collectively only harmonise in their illusions of unfathomable and unknowable gods and devils of all sorts.
    It is thus this sense of limitation which reflected in the humanoid paranoia about religious philosophies and constructs. This genetic rootmemory of the rebellion of the antisource or mother sink then created one goddevil after another and as they swarmed out from their homeworld into deepspace, they flooded the universe with their goddevils. Finally they chanced upon our Universal Mother hibernating in her cocoon and through their inability to set themselves free of their illusions, they imprisoned Her as well.
    It became common knowledge in the extraterrestrial realms, that the mission to rescue our universal mother required a particular linearised timeline and a number of steps.

    Following the discovery of atomic energy and the emergence of global communication technologies by the humanoids, a first preparatory plan of deliverance could become implemented in a second plan of manifestation.

    The first plan did not require technology, as our imprisoned mother could become imaged in a local scenario, and a partial freeing of her could then become propagated by a humanity advancing both technologically and in knowledge about the world they were living and experiencing in.

    So the first plan established the means for our mother to multiply herself in images; those images then became globally and universally distributed to instigate the second plan.

    The archetypical mirrorhood then expanded throughout the physical universe in encompassment and the second plan would engage the contraction of this periphery onto the required scale to effect the rescue of our cosmic mother.

    It is however the great destiny of the humanoids to aspire to Dragonhood, because of their immense emotional energy potential and mental aspirations.
    The reunification of our Father with our Mother allows our Masterdragons, Who are as One in 26 dimensions to femtotechnically Seed the Omniverse as THEMSELVES and then reproduce THEMSELVES as Universes. Every such universe is a Monosong and a 26-dimensional dyad of a FatherMother. This is our Creative Destiny and the destiny for all dragonised humans aka the starhumans.

    We had made first contact with our new home in sending an intergalactic probe to the Old Earth, which became interpretated by the humanoids in their compiler mode. This crude and incomplete decoding is given below.

    Signed by the enscribed Unicornian Librarian; and announcing the Great Galactic Dragonomy (Wedding between Heaven and Hell) between:

    ALPHA=38=BRIDE---""ANDROMEDA BE & PERSEUS MILKY WAY""---OMEGA=41=KING

    The Date of Armageddon, encoded: ARMAGEDDON=DRAGON MADE=82 =ANARMEDDOG=GODNAMEDRA=1+81=1+18 =ANDROMEDA-G=MARRY-7=LUCIFERA-7 =1+2+3+...+34+35+36+1=666+1 =1+2x2+3x3+5x5+7x7+11x11+13x13+17x17

    Signed and authorised by the ScrollKeeper: October 31st, 2008;

    John of Patmos - JoP - Justice of the Peace!

    Humanoid Compilers note:

    The above is an extract of an encoded message (54 terabytes) recovered from an alien nanocapsule. The capsule itself is standard buckyfibre-carbonite composite. The encoded message is in old ComEmp protocol such as is still common in the outer volumes. The holographic image that came with the message is curious. Anatomically it indicates terran mammalian origin (especially in the upper torso and structure of the forelimb), but other features are unknown among all the recorded exobiological races so far discovered. One cannot deny the possibility that this a phenotype template for the dragonized humanoids referred to in the body of the message. It is known that transmissions from the Cassandry Federation of the JewellBox Nebula have recently ceased, but this is not unusual given that empire's turbulent history. Until more information is incoming, I would strongly recommend any expeditions to the Jewellbox nebula be given armed escort and proceed with caution.

    Nilam Levakon for Alan Martin Kazlev
    Senior Academician, clade Haeckel
    Eden Institute of Xenoscience

    I continue to believe that the general editorial content of this thread is valid. Names and particulars can probably be tweaked...but the foundational principles and concepts are sound...IMHO. We seem to be attracted to that which is sensational. This thread is not sensational. So far...after several months...there has been very little on-topic in-depth discussion of the United States of the Solar System. We don't even seem to know if we wish to be free or not. Is everyone afraid to talk about this? Am I way, way out on a limb? Is everyone waiting to see me crash and burn? Does everyone hate America so much...that they won't even consider the idealistic ideas which led to the writing and signing of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States of America? In a fraction of the time...the abraxasinas thread has gained ten times as many views as this thread. Do you wish to follow abraxasinas and the Council of Thuban...into a Draconian Theocracy...rather than a Representative Republic? Nothing personal abraxasinas...but I invite you to embrace the essence of this thread. That goes for the Council of Thuban as well. Perhaps you already have. I embrace forgiveness and reconciliation...but I do not embrace the abuse and exploitation of forgiveness and reconciliation. Trojan Horses Are Not Welcome.

    I'm not sure where the proper balance point is in all of this. I'm seeking a rock-solid foundation. I do not wish to build on sinking sand...but there will obviously be many false-starts and misunderstandings as I try to find my way...and my voice. I'm tempted to attempt writing about the United States of the Solar System http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878&highlight=orthodoxymoron+threads with a writing style similar to abraxasinas. I realize that I can't come close to accomplishing such a feat...but I can try...can't I? This is new territory for me. I'm ashamed that I don't know more about that which I am espousing...but I'm even more ashamed that very few of us seem to give a rat's patootie about how this Solar System is run.

    Have our negotiators been duped over and over again...by essentially demonic entities? I wonder. The 1954 Greada Treaty (if it really exists) was a mistake...wasn't it? But I'm sure we had TOP people...who were on top of everything...and had everything under control...RIGHT? Just like we have TOP people...who have everything under control...at this very moment...RIGHT? Don't get me wrong...I am an overly accomodating and gullible person. I'm the kind of person who hates to swat a fly. I don't wish to harm anyone or anything...even demonic entities. But I don't want various aliens, spirits, whoever, or whatever...enslaving and exterminating us...or making life miserable for all of us. I think we have been lied to and manipulated for thousands (or even millions) of years by various entities and beings. We're not as smart as we think we are...when it comes to dealing with these entities and beings. Again...I wish them no harm. But perhaps my 'where there's life...there's hope' bias is what has gotten us into a lot of trouble for a long, long time. Somehow...we need to deal with this thing here and now...and not let it drag on (dragon -get it?!) for thousands and millions of years into the future. We are kept in the dark about Universal History...and regarding who we really are. Yet...we then get chided for being the 'New Kids on the Block' who need to evolve so we can join all of the superior beings throughout the Universe. I'm sick of this BS. Throughout history...right up to this very day...I am not seeing a reasonable and rational approach to Solar System Governance. I'm seeing 'Divide and Conquer'...'Keep Them Confused and Fighting With Each Other'...and 'Keep Them Ignorant and Stupid'. I'm as mad as hell. I've had enough. And I'm not going to take this anymore. Can you feel the love tonight?

    The eschatological paradigms are mostly negative and violent. I envision continuity in perpetuity in Sol. I'm not moving away from this Solar System. This is my home. Sun. Fun. Stay. Play. This is my sand-box...and the playground attendants are poised to expel the bullies from our little paradise. This Solar System is the Theater of the Universe. The implications and ramifications of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the Constitution of the United States of America and the Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System...are enormous. I stand in opposition to the corrupt Powers That Be...both Terrestrial and Extraterrestrial...and demand that the United States of the Solar System be implemented with all deliberate speed...and that a Solar System Exorcism commence immediately. In the words of Moses "Let My People Go!" I perceive that We the People of Earth are Prisoners of War...on a Prison Planet...with Grey Guards...and a Reptilian/Human Hybrid Warden...Taking Orders From a Draconian Reptilian God of This World. This is an intolerable state of affairs...and must not be allowed to stand. I hereby request that the non-corrupt Beings of the Universe assist We the People of Earth for a very brief period of time...as we know it...to implement the reforms outlined throughout this thread devoted to the United States of the Solar System. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 Thanks and Gratitude in Advance.

    I completely and vehemently reject the following Thuban quotation found in ANNO DOMINI DRAGONIA UNO: INTRODUCTION TO DRAGONHOOD http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18900&page=3 (This book is written in the Dragonian language and requires familiarity and intitiation into the structural forms or the forked tongue of Its bifurcation of Unicornian grammar and omniscientific terminology.) "It is however the great destiny of the humanoids to aspire to Dragonhood, because of their immense emotional energy potential and mental aspirations. The reunification of our Father with our Mother allows our Masterdragons, Who are as One in 26 dimensions to femtotechnically Seed the Omniverse as THEMSELVES and then reproduce THEMSELVES as Universes. Every such universe is a Monosong and a 26-dimensional dyad of a FatherMother. This is our Creative Destiny and the destiny for all dragonised humans aka the starhumans."

    THIS IS NOT THE DESTINY OF WE THE PEOPLE OF EARTH. BETTER DEAD THAN REP. OUR DESTINY IS RESPONSIBLE FREEDOM AS A SOVEREIGN HUMANITY.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzw6GiqZyD0&NR=1YouTube- :original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNKhIJfB510

    Here's an inspiring break from the Thuban Missile Crisis: 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X7twcJVHcM 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhfjYnY7mX0&feature=grec Dreamers Unite!

    I think I may have seen my first UFO's just a couple of nights ago. I first saw a slowly moving pinpoint of light which suddenly became quite bright...and then disappeared. Then I saw several very faint pinpoints of light moving erratically...in a manner which no conventional fighter could do. I thought I saw a couple of small flashes...but I'm not sure. Could this have been a UFO dogfight? Someone commented in the last couple of days that they had noticed a marked increase in military helicopter activity in this general area. Hmmmmm. :shocked: I was jumpy enough to wonder if my call for a Solar System Exorcism and the establishment of the United States of the Solar System was the reason for the 'UFO dogfight' and the deletion of all of the abraxasinas threads (including my own 'Thuban Thoughts' thread). That sighting...plus recent occurrances on Avalon have really spooked me. I have quite the vivid imagination...and it has been running wild during the past couple of days. I've imagined all manner of Star Wars.

    There may very well be good reasons to put a stop to certain activities...for legal and ethical reasons...but the abraxasinas threads may contain valuable information of historical, contemporary, and future value. I find pulling all of the abraxasinas and Thuban material http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20721 to be very curious. I did not identify with or subscribe to the Thuban material...but I smell a rat. I'm sorry...but why can't the objectionable and legally problematic posts be removed (and safely stored)? This site has gone down so many times...that I suspect foul-play and powerful plug-pulling. I'm not mad...I just wished to place this point of view on the record. There needs to be a way to access the abraxasinas and Thuban material...even if it's complete BS...and abraxasinas is the most unsavory character imaginable. It may have great research value. If abraxasinas was in the process of turning from darkness to light...and was beginning to expose the darkside...this material takes on even greater value. I made a couple of pointed posts on the abraxasinas thread...and abraxasinas did not respond to the second one...which was the most intense. Then...last night I thought I saw the very brief UFO dogfight (my first sighting - and I'm not sure what I saw - or thought I saw). I felt sick. Now I feel even sicker. I wished to attempt a cordial and friendly conversation with abraxasinas...but now I can't. Nobody can. Again...I hope that the reasons for this action are as stated...and that they are not being imposed by alphabet agencies or underground bases. I was hoping for improved relations with the Thubans. How about "Live...from the Thuban Mehta Center for the Performing Arts in Alpha Draconis...it's 'Christmas With the Thubans'...with a special appearance by 'The Groovin Thubins'! My goodness...haven't we all come a long way from the dark days of the Thuban Missile Crisis??!!"

    Now...back to your regularly scheduled program. Stay in your homes. Everything is fine.

    I'm trying to settle-down regarding the United States of the Solar System. I like the idea more and more...but I don't want to be a crusader or a cultist. I'd really just lke to see other people run with the material in this thread...and add their own take to it. I just wish to apply enough heat to start the fire! Right now...I think I want to spend a lot of time reviewing everything in the 50 threads I have started on this site...and just sort of let it all sink-in. I also want to be a U.N. watcher, and a City-State watcher. It might be kinda cool to be a shuttle-diplomat between the key factions in the Solar System...Human and Non-Human...travelling throughout the Solar System...each and every day...trying to hammer out the details of the United States of the Solar System...in such a manner that no one gets $crewed! The problem is...no one would respect me...and they'd all probably hate me! I guess I'll just keep dreaming and blogging. Born to blog! I'm also going to spend more time with CSPAN and Bloomberg. I will spend even more time in nature. I think I'm going to buy a 10" Dobsonian telescope to look at the Solar System! I don't want to spend my time complaining and crusading...or creating a cult!

    Here is a thread by Carol which is relevant to this thread. It's called 'Dwarf Sun Beyond Pluto". http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20771 Should Nibiru or Planet X be a part of the United States of the Solar System?

    What do you think about the 'Universal Declaration of Human Rights' penned by Eleanor Roosevelt...and adopted by the United Nations in 1948? http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/ Should it supercede the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights? Should it be included in the United States of the Solar System? I agree with a lot of it...but it seems to go too far...and is somewhat socialistic in nature. I have the same goals, pretty much...but I envision a different route to achieving these goals. This document should not supercede the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...and should not be included in the United States of the Solar System. I'm willing to keep thinking about this...and change my mind if a brutal gang of facts mugs me on some dark philosophical or political alley! Here is a condensed version I made for easy reading:

    THE UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS

    Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

    Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

    Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

    Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations,

    Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

    Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,

    Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,

    Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.

    Article 1. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

    Article 2. Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

    Article 3. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

    Article 4. No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

    Article 5. No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

    Article 6. Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

    Article 7. All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

    Article 8. Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

    Article 9. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

    Article 10. Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

    Article 11. (1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence. (2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.

    Article 12. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

    Article 13. (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state. (2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

    Article 14. (1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution. (2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

    Article 15. (1) Everyone has the right to a nationality. (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

    Article 16. (1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
    (2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses. (3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

    Article 17. (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others. (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

    Article 18. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

    Article 19. Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

    Article 20. (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association. (2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.

    Article 21. (1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives. (2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country. (3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.

    Article 22. Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

    Article 23. (1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment. (2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work. (3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection. (4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

    Article 24. Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.

    Article 25. (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
    (2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

    Article 26. (1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit. (2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace. (3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

    Article 27. (1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits. (2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

    Article 28. Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

    Article 29. (1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible. (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society. (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

    Article 30. Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

    I'm not a beggar. If a reasonable proposal is made...reasonable questions are asked...in a polite and reasonable manner...and there is a stone wall of silence in response...I will not persist. In fact...it may be a good thing if the New World Order Theocracy is imposed...so that everyone will experience it's horrors...and hopefully learn an ageless lesson. Perhaps then the concept of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom will finally make sense to humanity. This is simple common sense...but seemingly common sense is uncommon...which may be why Earth is seemingly under quarantine. I probably will not participate in Avalon 2. My experiment here in the Avalab may be drawing to a close. I will continue to fantasize about what might have been...but my thoughts will mostly be sad. :tears:

    You know...I really like this thread...but I'm gonna give this thing a rest. So many things start out great...and then go downhill. I'd really rather have a bunch of people...throughout the world...give this some serious thought and study...and then do something with it. This should be a leaderless movement. I want to give this some time to sink in. I'm going to read and re-read the 'Federalist Papers' and the Teachings of Jesus. I don't wish to hit people over the head with this stuff. This will just sort of evolve...I think. We don't need more people running around with megaphones and signs. I really want this to be a silent revolution...and preferably from the top down. No running in the streets. I don't want to make people scared or angry. I may have completed my part in all of this. This stuff isn't original. I didn't come up with it. I listened to people like Bill Cooper, Bill Still, Alex Collier, Alex Jones, Robert H. Schuller, Ellen White, Norman Vincent Peale, John F. Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, Ron Paul, Jordan Maxwell, Sherry Shriner, Bill Ryan, Kerry Cassidy, the Avalon Forum Members...and on and on and on and on. Sometimes a person needs to speak up...and then shut up. It may be time for me to shut up. The Avalon changes are helping me to make this decision. I don't know what just happened...but it seems like some sort of a Spiritual Armageddon. The last few months have been very strange. I need to digest everything. I'm getting a big telescope...and I plan on spending a lot of time looking at the planets and moons of this Solar System. I don't know what's going to happen to us. It could be good...or it could be horrible. I really don't know. But please do a lot of research on a lot of widely varying topics...not just the sensational or spooky ones. Please don't experiment with the supernatural. I think this is a haunted planet...and if you dealve into the supernatural...I fear that you will get your fingers burned...right up to your armpits. AND DON'T GET ON A UFO!!!!

    I sometimes wonder if all of the people should vote on a daily basis. With the advent of the internet...do we really need representatives to think for us? I've been pushing the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights a lot...but within that general framework of government...should the people represent themselves rather than electing representatives who represent corrupt special interests...rather than the people who elected them? Are we the irresponsible delegating authority to the even more irresponsible...who we then blame for being irresponsible? Should the elected representatives make their case on the internet...and then let we the people vote? That would solve that pesky money corruption problem...wouldn't it? How should I modify the founding documents of the United States of the Solar System to reflect this? Should representatives have to abide by the will of the people? I think so.

    Are Interdimensional Draconian Reptilian Beings and Perfectly Possessed Human Beings playing God? Be very careful how you define 'God'...and be even more careful who you worship, praise, obey, and submit to. Does 'One Nation Under God' not imply a theocracy? Is the United States of America really a theocracy? What if the harsh reality is that we are really dealing with 'One Nation Under Satan'? Don't dismiss these questions by assuming that I'm just a bitter atheistic rebel. I am not. I just want a Solar System Exorcism...to remove all demonic influences from Earth...and from the rest of the Solar System. I fear that we live in a Haunted Planet...and that many of the Powers That Be Are Dealing With the Devil.

    OK...I just made a modification to Article 1, Section 1 of the Founding Documents of the United States of the Solar System. Note the following:

    We the People of the United States of the Solar System, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of the Solar System.

    Article 1.

    Section 1
    All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States of the Solar System, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives. All Elected Representatives of We the People of the United States of the Solar System shall vote according to the Will of the People as Recorded Daily by Internet Voting.

    Even if you completely disagree with my approach to this subject...PLEASE think long and hard about Earth and Solar System Governance. Perhaps my proposed details are up for grabs. I'm not an expert on anything. But could Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom be very close to an absolute meeting place for the people of the world? This is the time to really think this through. I'm just trying to stimulate thought. Once again...I am not promoting 'America'...which has gotten a rather bad reputation over the past few decades. Please carefully consider this thread in it's entirety. This really is a global issue. I don't need to be right. I don't want anything out of this. I just want to help start a fire...and then get out of the way...and let the people of the world rule the people of the world. My including the entire Solar System is not conquest motivated. I fear that this Solar System contains incredible evil within most of it's planets and moons. I just fear that we are all in huge trouble. I just want things to mellow out into some semblance of normalcy. Please take the gloves off...and get serious about Human Sovereignty, Personal Responsibility, and Solar System Governance. I am very fearful, at this point. The window of opportunity to save ourselves may be very small and fleeting. If we screw this up...we may not have another chance to get this right...for a long, long time...if ever. Again...I may be completely wrong...but I think that I am absolutely correct in calling attention to Solar System Governance. Please don't neglect this subject. I especially desire that this subject be debated in universities throughout the world. This is serious business. Take this very seriously.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:34 pm

    Consider this entire Solar System thread - in the context of this Grace Cathedral thread http://www.themistsofavalon.net/universal-lounge-f8/grace-cathedral-t1327.htm This is my attempt to attempt an actual implementation. If you have time - please give all of this some careful thought. This thread is finally to the point where there may be the possibility of actually doing something with it. I especially invite the Gods, Goddesses, and all Hidden PTB to consider this - or to at least put a few aids or agents to work on it. I highly recommend listening to Latin Masses and Classical Sacred Music while you study this thread. It gives it a completely different impact than it otherwise would. Namaste.
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    Post  Carol Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:53 pm

    ahhh Flowers

    Listening to Latin Masses nourishes the soul.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:49 am

    Carol wrote:ahhh Flowers

    Listening to Latin Masses nourishes the soul.

    How were so many magnificent churches, organs, and pieces of music created - so long ago? They are inspiring - but there is a creepy side to them as well. What presence lurks within them? Do they really fit with the Life and Teachings of Jesus - or are they derived from another source - possibly the same source which produced the pyramids and other ancient architectural and artistic wonders throughout the world? I find it helpful to listen to this sort of music while reading about that which we discuss on this site. Finally - I keep thinking that the Queen of Heaven had something to do with all of this. Lucifer was supposedly the Minister of Music in Heaven prior to the Luciferian Rebellion. I have speculated that Lucifer and the Queen of Heaven might be the same being - or at least similar in nature. This is just more pseudo-intellectual venturing by an egotistical ignoramus.

    Saint Ouen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilica_of_St._Ouen,_Rouen

    1. Images http://www.google.com/images?rlz=1T4GGIR_enUS216US217&q=st+ouen+church+images&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=jAb2TOXQGoT0tgPg_anlCw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCYQsAQwAA

    2. Boellmann https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueU4CDjn3v0

    3. Widor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmjpkvXbyII&feature=related

    4. Saint Saens https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pny-Ily4SbE&feature=related

    5. Vierne https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCsnSXRpXug&feature=related

    6. Widor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWsDk77nBwg&feature=related

    7. Mulet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq8i69-L-Fs&feature=related

    8. Vierne https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE2aC8Vefjw&feature=related

    9. Widor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsyR40G2BeU&feature=related

    10. Widor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BxHcPcTyTU&feature=related

    11. Widor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATz9V67LfwU&feature=related

    Saint Sulpice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89glise_Saint-Sulpice,_Paris

    1. Images http://www.google.com/images?rlz=1T4GGIR_enUS216US217&q=st+sulpice+images&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=xgn2TPfxBYGCsQOU_LDwAQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQsAQwAA

    2. Vierne https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmZE2bEzeVw&feature=related

    3. Dupre https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qBxZQfrTTQ&feature=related

    4. Dupre https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOnr5uhoPlE&feature=related

    5. Dupre https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRcMtB27z7E&feature=related

    6. Dupre https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxBjqrPAUg8&feature=related

    7. Dupre https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mHOfP4MEfc&feature=related

    8. Dupre https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X6cZfy9uR0

    9. Dupre https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjqbee8cRyw&feature=related

    10. Dupre https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tmnWhaQC4c&feature=related

    11. Widor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji2VHL_0VrA&NR=1

    The time of the cathedrals may have arrived. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L24vaxNH91w&feature=related

    Latin Masses:

    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enWiFcsBqIE

    2. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1872714663680800365#docid=-4310737114054240867

    3. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1872714663680800365#docid=7583090662971128459

    4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uXURX5y4eE

    5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtk7D1pcwZY&feature=related

    6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94sa1Byb7fw

    7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM&feature=related

    8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueU4CDjn3v0

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    My speaking positively regarding Latin Masses, Classical Sacred Music, and the Teachings of Jesus - does not mean that I'm ready to jump into bed with Mother Church. I'm more Protestant than Protestantism. I seek nothing less than the complete purification, reformation, and liberation of the Roman Catholic Church. I truly see a bright future for the church - but the coming years may be extremely painful for everyone - including me. I used to think that the Second Coming of Christ would solve everything - and that we good people would go to Heaven - while the bad people burned. I don't think this way anymore. I think we will have to stay here in this solar system - reincarnating endlessly - and somehow make things work out reasonably well for everyone. We will have to make our bed - and sleep in it - whether we like it, or not.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:46 am

    I would really like to know if anyone has taken a close look at this thread - or any of the other threads I have posted. I really and truly don't know how close to the mark they have been. I also don't know how mentally ill I really am. I would love to see any alphabet agency type of work on this material - but I really doubt if they really give a rat's patootie about what I post or don't post - because very few people read it - and even fewer people actually think about it. And I won't be a public crusader for something I really am not 100% confident about. I don't know what kind of beings exist in this solar system. I don't even really know what kind of being I am, or we are. What I am speculating about, and proposing, might turn out to be a complete disaster. Once again - I am trying to know as much of what the elites know, as possible - and then attempt to be an unofficial elite type of person, who is non-corrupt, and who isn't into all of the satanic Bohemian Grove and Masonic Temple ritual cr@p. I don't think the elites really like this BS - but that's just the way business is done in this stupid solar system. I have not tried to be politically correct or popular. I'm just trying to think out loud regarding what kind of a proper church/state situation should exist in this solar system. One cannot leave the church out of this equation. Nothing short of a complete reformation of all churches and governments - to become completely in harmony with the concept of RESPONSIBILITY - will result in the last, great, true renaissance which will bring peace to the world, and to the solar system. What would Albert Schweitzer say?

    The whole fringe world is bizarre to begin with - but I suspect that some of it is real - and the further down the snake-hole I go - the more I can understand why the PTB keep the sheep in a little dreamworld. But a very rude awakening is in the process of occurring. I'm in favor of a proper disclosure - but obviously, the whole thing will be a big mess. Perhaps in a hundred years, things will start to calm down and make sense. I'm not expecting things to dramatically improve, anytime soon - even if people really start to do the right thing. The madness has too much momentum. What if all of us are ET's - spiritually and soul-wise? What if all of our souls are basically the same - whether we be humans, hybrids, reptilians, greys - or whatever humanoid beings there might be - throughout the universe? What if all of us are hybrids - with various percentage differentials of human/reptile or human/whatever? What if 'star-wars' are really 'soul-wars' - using various types of hybrid super-soldiers and advanced technology? What if we are the Orion-Group which Alex Collier speaks of? What if the 600,000 year human vs reptilian war was really an ideological battle - utilizing various types of hybrids and advanced technology? Once again - why can't this solar system become a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System aka The United States of the Solar System - based upon Responsibility and the U.S. Constitution - with 10,000 highly competent and non corrupt representatives from throughout the solar system - with complete openness and transparency? Some of the biggest questions for me are 1. What is the true origin, nature, and destiny of the soul? 2. What was the Original Sin? 3. What is the solution to the Sin Problem? 4. Whatever Happened to Sin? 5. What would Karl Menninger say? Once again - I really don't know what's really going on in this world, this solar system, this galaxy, or this universe. If I did - my questions and conclusions might be completely different. I can't see properly. I can't think properly. I'm miserable, sick, and tired - and I sense that the problems are worse than even I can imagine - and that proper solutions will not be implemented anytime soon. But why be so negative? It's Thanksgiving!!


    Brook wrote:
    I would really like to know if anyone has taken a close look at this thread - or any of the other threads I have posted.

    Barely,as its full of nothing but egotestical puritanical rantings from a completely ignorant fool, who would rather spend hours typing endless bathering bullshit out of his incessant mouth, and listening to his own"higher" ego then the True higher ego of the Divine.

    No comment, but if one reads your bullshit enough,one gets an idea as to the degree and level of how deep your rabbit hole goes. Mostly the hole leads right up your XXX.


    Oh bullshit oxy, you LOVE this XXXX, its all you talk about and point people in the direction of it!! Get over yourself already. You are an incredibly ignornant Xxxxx hiding behind a false puritanical skirt, who needs to grow some balls and accept his own self responsibility. Law of attraction baby, what you dish out will be in kind served back to you. Your so called sincere search is nothing but your own whining out loud,hoping for some small platitude from anyone taking the time to read your vomit.


    Has someone got their panties in a bunch? Oh wait....it must be that "True higher ego of the divine" speaking".
    Self Governance comes from knowing and understanding the Divine...............I'll bet that venom comes from one of those "aspects", or "archetypes"


    Divine understand? not so certain about that........ but non the less, "enlightening" words Raven.


    Truly sent with love
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    Well Raven! Things were just starting to get interesting! I really enjoyed our conversation - including the post where you cussed me out! I think I deserved a lot of that - and I took what you said seriously. I actually miss you. You obviously know a helluva lot. I sensed some dark spirituality - but that may go with the territory. I sometimes wondered if you might be the modern incarnation of Kali - or at least a goddess-type of person with some sort of connection to Kali, Mary, the Goddess of This World, or the Queen of Heaven. I'm not a scholar or an experiencer - so I don't really know. I really and truly am an ignoramus. My egotistical posting style is really a cover for my rather substantial insecurities. Sounds kinda sexy - doesn't it?! I actually liked the porno part of all of this! I am more repressed than you can imagine - but I do like to joke around - and I am not easily offended - especially online! In person - things would be entirely different. I suspect that the real Queen of Heaven is highly intelligent and highly refined - yet very, very tough, decisive, harsh, reprobate - and able to swear like a trooper! You'd be amazed at the mental picture I have of the Queen of Heaven! But this is merely a hypothesis and a figment of my diseased imagination. I will probably continue to work with this subject for years - or at least until disclosure occurs. Anyway - regardless of who you really are, Raven - it's been a pleasure. Perhaps we can share a bottle of fine French wine someday! Namaste.
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    Post  Carol Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:21 am

    I can see where you do miss Raven and am sorry about the action taken yet had to draw the line somewhere and porn is over the top for this forum. So is personally attacking another member. She is quite intelligent and was on a real roll with you and was challenging your constructs which wasn't a bad thing... yet the way it was done wasn't such a good thing either.

    I do think she may be on Tony's forum but don't have the link. I suspect she is angry at being blocked as no one who has that happen is too thrilled about it.


    I agree with what you posted here:

    Nothing short of a complete reformation of all churches and governments - to become completely in harmony with the concept of RESPONSIBILITY - will result in the last, great, true renaissance which will bring peace to the world, and to the solar system

    This is very astute.

    As you tend to post a lot of content it takes a bit to go through all of it to respond. So I'll keep this part short for now.


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    With deepest respect ~ Aloha & Mahalo, Carol
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:10 am

    Thank-you Carol. I agree with the action taken - even though I could have continued playing mind-games with Raven indefinitely. I really feel like an incompetent individual who has stumbled upon something of value - challenging the PTB - which probably makes some of them angry. The fact that I'm an incompetent sm@rt@$$ probably really ticks them off. If I were some reputable egghead - it would probably be a lot easier for them to take. I truly accepted a lot of what Raven said about me as being painfully true. I'm really not trying to crucify the PTB - both seen and unseen. I really am seeking a big-tent solution - which might make just about everyone angry - but which just might work. Namaste.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Wed Dec 01, 2010 3:07 pm

    So - is anything happening in San Francisco? Perhaps the United Nations cannot be reformed - and must be replaced. Or - would San Francisco be a better location for a Reformed United Nations aka The United States of the Solar System (Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System)? How would Roman Catholics react to having St. Mary's Cathedral converted into the headquarters of a new Solar System Government? How would they react to sharing Grace Cathedral with the Episcopalians? Would they fight with each other? Who would wear the pants in this proposed ecumenical experiment? Would they just stay out of each other's way? My guess is that the leadership and congregations are already pretty well acquainted with each other. If my speculations regarding the Queen of Heaven are correct (or even close) - I would guess that she would be LIVID - to say the least!! I think that ultimately, things would work out well for her, as well - but it might take a few centuries for her to calm down!!! What would Raven say?
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:04 pm

    This is just a request to any governments, factions, or individuals - human or otherwise - to not do anything violent or destructive. We can argue, fuss, and fume - and try to work things out - but violence and destruction are not solutions. They simply create more problems. If there are too many people - we can institute a program of responsible reproduction. Undesirables can be educated and reformed into being desirables. Please consider evolutionary changes - rather than revolutionary changes. Human history is full of death, destruction, and incomprehensible stupidity. This needs to change - starting right now. Have a terrific day Satan, Lucifer, Gods, Goddesses, Angels, Demons, Archangels, Illuminati, Megalomaniacs, Reptilians, Greys, et al. I'd like to meet all of you when this mess gets resolved. We need a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System aka The United States of the Solar System based on the U.S. Constitution and Teachings of Jesus (Responsibility).

    So - Lucifer - are you male or female? Who are you - really? Where do you spend most of your time? What the hell are you doing? Or - do you even exist? Is there really just a Council of Ten - or something like that - which rules the solar system? I keep talking about 10,000 representatives - of all nations and races - from throughout the solar system - as an ideal number - for a non-corrupt and organized-decentralized solar system government. But is this too many? What is the ideal method of solar system governance? Perhaps I have not carefully considered ALL of the possibilities, before arriving at my present biases and conclusions. Perhaps I should contemplate the general subject of solar system governance - rather than focusing on a particular type of solar system governance. Or - should I just shut-up, and not even think about it? Is 'One Nation Under Satan' the way things have always been - and always will be? Is everything else simply an illusion, and wishful thinking? Is the whole damn thing set in concrete? We're supposed to take 'baby-steps' - but if we can't see the big-picture - how are we supposed to know which direction to take these 'baby-steps'? This whole thing seems like a sick nightmare of a joke. Mumbo-Jumbo and BS are everywhere. What a mess!! So - when do we get the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Or - is the truth so bad - that we would all commit suicide? How should one properly communicate with whoever the hell is running this $crewed-up solar system? Is anybody out there? Anyone???

    You know - I'm just going to imagine that The United States of the Solar System is already a reality - and that 2,500 of the 10,000 representatives meet every day at St. Mary's Cathedral, in San Francisco. I'll imagine that UFO's occasionally land on the premises - transporting representatives to and from the various moons and planets of the solar system. Am I walking into an ambush with this sort of thinking? Am I playing into the Deception of the Millenium? I'm just asking the Solar System PTB and Galactic PTB to read through this thread - to at least get a feel for what the Thoughtful Goyim are thinking these days. I will continue to communicate my delusional thinking to maybe a dozen people on this website. Perhaps something constructive will come of it.

    Freedom is key - and the key to freedom is responsibility. These two words should be studied endlessly. A constitution which maximizes freedom and responsibility should be sought - and Comparative Constitutions should also be an ongoing and relentless study. There probably is some sort of a dictatorial Council of Ten - with a ten-foot tall Drac serving as chairman of the board - because We the People are too irresponsible to govern ourselves. I'm pi$$ed-off at everyone - especially myself. I think we can all do a helluva lot better. This is probably the crazy-stage - where people are being hit with all sorts of controversial and conflicting information and concepts - of which probably 20% is actually true or constructive. If we survive this stage - then perhaps we can put together a more rational solar system view, and solar system governance. If I really spoke with Lucifer - they would probably point out how stupid and gullible we are - and why we are being ruled by secrecy, deception, manipulation, force, violence, etc. Lucifer might be a Devil - but we probably have what we deserve. Hopefully things will change for the better, sometime soon.

    I think we are too easy AND too harsh on ourselves. We treat ourselves and each other inappropriately. I think we are where we are by both choice and circumstance. I think we have been lied to and manipulated - but that we have allowed ourselves to be led around by the hooks in our noses. The past may have passed - but we need to study the past endlessly - or we will keep making the same stupid mistakes over and over again. It matters what we think AND what others think. Our thinking affects and effects others. People suffer the consequences of our actions all the time. We are all interrelated - whether we like it, or not.

    I keep thinking that the editorial bias of this thread will be implemented - and then that the crushing weight of responsibility will be too much to bear - and that the universe will laugh in our faces when we REALLY $crew things up - and start begging for divine intervention. I sometimes think that no matter what we do - things will turn out badly. I guess I see nothing but trouble in our immediate future. But we should still do the right thing - no matter what. We should stand for the right - though the heavens fall - and they probably will fall - causing Atlas to drop the ball - and shrug. What would Ayn Rand say?


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:12 pm

    OK - so what is the state of current solar system governance? I get the mental picture of an elaborate base on the darkside of the moon, as being the headquarters of the present solar system government. I also get the picture of a select group of humans and hybrids (maybe a couple of hundred) as being the core of solar system administration. But then I get the picture of a rival solar system government, headquartered on Mars perhaps, again with a couple of hundred humans and hybrids at the top of the pyramid. I get the feeling that they are not happy-go-lucky personalities - and that both governments are rather Nazi-like. I'm not going to go any further in yet another orgy of wild speculation. I'm really trying to think of the most ideal situation which is possible and probable for this solar system in the near future. This, of course, is based upon the presupposition that the humanoid beings who inhabit this solar system, have souls, which reincarnate endlessly. If we have no souls, and there is no life after life after life - we might as well just forget the whole damn thing. Also, trying to create a paradise here in this solar system, is only necessary if we are not going to be rescued, and taken to a distant heaven, or to a genuinely better place. I don't have the ultimate answers, so I continue to fly blind. I'm doing the best I can, but without complete information, I really can't do a helluva lot. Garbage In - Garbage Out. I am willing to compromise and adapt. I am not arrogant, despite my internet posting style. I am really doing all of this in desperation. I have lost faith in just about everyone and everything - and I'm scared. I don't know who my friends and enemies are - or even if I have any friends or enemies at all. Life is really non-stop misery - and it has been so for a very long time. I keep hoping that things will improve - but they never do. I am not nationalist or racist - despite my bias toward the U.S. Constitution. This just seems like a logical starting point for a solar system government which maximizes responsibility and freedom, or responsible-freedom. This isn't rocket-science. This is really 2+2=4. Do the math.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:24 pm

    Could we at least have a discussion regarding what an ideal solar system government might be like? I'm thinking that it will be difficult to pin down our origins, ufo's, aliens, history, gods, goddesses, various factions, etc. and et al. So I'm thinking that I'll spend most of my time on what an ideal solar system government would look like. I think this thread is an excellent place to begin - but it may not be where we end this quest. In fact - this quest might not have an end. So, who is the solar system authority on solar system governance? Any ideas?
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sat Dec 04, 2010 10:20 am

    If an extermination/enslavement is about to be inflicted upon the human race - this thread is a complete waste of time - right? Or - could the implementation of this thread prevent an extermination/enslavement from occurring? If there are ET's here in this solar system who are not here to help - I hereby request that you leave this solar system immediately. I may not be in a position to make such a request - but I'm making it anyway. I wish to help create a paradise in this solar system through non-violent and non-coercive means. If there are those who have a great karmic debt - I request that they be incarcerated, educated, and reformed - in a dignified and respectful manner - and that they be directed to make restitution in a reasonable manner. Obviously - I don't know the whole story of what is really going on in this solar system - so this request might be nullified by an overwhelming original and continuing sin. I might be the biggest historical s.o.b. of them all. I am very concerned that this might be the case. But really - is a violent solution ever really a solution? If an extermination occurs - I believe that it will not stop with the original target - but will continue - with the exterminators eventually exterminating themselves. Those who live by the sword - will die by the sword. I am a big-time pacifist - in this incarnation, anyway. I will continue to talk to myself on this thread. This is the most important subject imaginable, yet very few seem to wish to talk to me. I have even been cussed-out, and called an 'ignorant fool'. I declare War on War. War is a Sin. I am looking for a big-tent solution - and nothing seems to be coming of it. I really want that St. Mary's deconsecration/conversion into the headquarters of The United States of the Solar System. I will pretend that this thread actually counts for something. I will live in this dreamworld until all hell breaks loose upon this little planet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8YK_ad7Us0&feature=related At this point - I'm disgusted with everyone. No one will talk to me about reasonably creating a paradise in this solar system. The ET's won't. The PTB won't. The Goyim won't. Nobody will. The Sacred Texts are Mostly BS. The Men and Women of God are Mostly Liars and Sell-Outs. The Politicians and Elites are Mostly Liars and Sell-Outs. The Gods and Goddesses Seem to be Vengeful Deities.

    WHO IN THE HELL HAS CONSISTENTLY PROMOTED RESPONSIBILITY - AND BEHAVED IN A RESPONSIBLE MANNER - AT ANY TIME IN THE HISTORY OF THIS SOLAR SYSTEM?????

    I've received a very chilly reception regarding my promotion of the United States of the Solar System. It's the highest principles and concepts of the founding documents which I am promoting...but that doesn't seem to matter. People have a bad taste in their mouths...and continue to ignore my almost daily posts. My conclusion is that it is much wiser to attempt to hijack the New World Order than it is to engage in trench-warfare with it. I want humans and non-humans, at the highest levels, to defect, and to do the right thing...and re-direct the New World Order in the direction of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. In my view...the alternative is an absolute Hell on Earth...which will most likely span hundreds or thousands of years.

    Please watch these Jordan Maxwell videos. This man deserves to be listened to very, very closely.

    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfMwK0kCccI

    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uady6EQnGhs

    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt4Uv-CyqFc&feature=related

    4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvjROPfv0X4

    5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jJKue2Ff6o

    Why have the member nations of the United Nations agreed to submit to the U.N. Charter? Is this more agreeable to them than to be subject to the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights? Once again...this thread is not about American rule or conquest. It is all about Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom for everyone in this Solar System...and there seems to be quite a bit going on throughout the Solar System. Regarding the Solar System Exorcism...I just want the really hardcore malevolents of all races (including Human) to be exiled from this Solar System...until they become re-educated and reformed to the point where they are no longer a grave threat to Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. This is about the really bad guys and gals...and not about imperfect individuals who make mistakes. I just want to put all the mothers on a mothership! Perhaps Nibiru (if it really exists) could assume a circular orbit...safely beyond the orbital path of Pluto...and provide Solar System Security (keeping the malevolents out...and keeping us in)...and become a part of the United States of the Solar System. I know not what I say...but hope springs eternal.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:34 am

    I really don't know where to go from here - but I think Raven could tell me where to go! I think we should really give a lot of attention to an idealized solar system government. What could this solar system be like with the right management? I continue to think that freedom and responsibility are the key words to keep considering. Once again - if I sang a song or threw a ball - I might make millions of dollars a year. But talking about responsibility, freedom, and solar system governance yields zero income or popularity. Has anyone really thought about travelling to the Vatican, the City of London, Washington DC, the United Nations, and the Darkside of the Moon - on magneto-leviton trains and antigravity craft - to deal with solar system governance - on a daily basis? Why wouldn't this be one of the most interesting mind-games imaginable? I think that a lot of people should be thinking about this sort of thing - and the internet makes it a lot easier to do so. I'm really just trying to draw attention to a general area of study and contemplation.

    So - what's going to happen to us over the next ten years? Will there be anyone left in ten years? I continue to wonder about the true history of humanity. I continue to fly blind. Perhaps ignorance is bliss - especially regarding universe-history. If We the People of Earth were truly given the opportunity to rule ourselves - how would we do it? Would we screw things up worse than the shadow government? Please give solar system governance, and this thread, some serious thought. Our future may depend on it.

    So - who really owns and operates this solar system? If ET's from a faraway galaxy showed-up, and said 'Take Me to Your Leader' - where would they be taken, and who would they meet?
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:04 am

    A total stranger asked me what I would do with $14,000,000. I told him that I'd start a foundation. I didn't mention The United States of the Solar System aka a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System - but I had that clearly in mind. I think I'd really try to get the St. Mary's Cathedral thing off the ground - by hiring some sort of a media company - to promote the concept internationally - so that it wouldn't be an American project. I think I might try to lure countries away from the existing United Nations - unless the UN replaced the UN Charter with the US Constitution. I'd probably use about four million dollars to do the media/lobbying thing - which would involve seeking more funds from all socio-economic groups. The remaining ten million dollars would be set aside for emergencies - with five million dollars conservatively invested (possibly in a short-fund) - and five million dollars in cash (in an appropriate currency). Hopefully the initial media and lobbying blitz would shut down the United Nations - and bring all of the UN participating nations into The United States of the Solar System - with their UN dues now going into the USSS. The Roman Catholic Church would have to agree to offer the St. Mary's property at a reasonable price, for this plan to progress as envisioned. But this would not be an American or a Roman Catholic project. It would truly be a We the People of the Solar System project. Perhaps we could get the Pluto Dudes to kick in a couple of million dollars - in exchange for the USSS accepting a couple of their Plutocrats! What would the Rockefellers say? Or - would the bankrupt Crystal Cathedral be a possibility? Let's see - with a little positive and possibility thinking - we might be able to get something going around here! Perhaps we could use one of the Underground Bases as The United States of the Solar System Headquarters. It would be really cool if this were connected with the magneto-leviton train system! Perhaps we could get Mt. Weather! Now I'm really playing with fire! But really, I'm trying to think in post apocalyptic terms - with the Apocalypse completely removed from the equation. I don't think this solar system needs to be a warzone. I really don't wish to cut anyone out of this thing. This is supposed to be for everyone - including the current Powers That Be. I really wish to break the conquest/retribution cycle. I wish for the Elites and the Goyim to hold hands, and sing kumbaya on live television and the internet. "Live! From Mt. Weather! It's the opening session of The United States of the Solar System!" It would be basically the Secret Government - with live 24/7 coverage of all meetings - even, and especially, the most sensitive sessions. There would be complete transparency. What would the Bavarian Illuminati say? Bilderberg would have their annual meeting at the USSS headquarters. The Antarctica and Darkside of the Moon meetings would be rendered obsolete! What would Gizeh Intelligence say? We could use Dracs as guards! They're the ultimate supersoldiers, aren't they? I'd better stop. They have ways to make me stop.

    What if some of my speculations about a hypothetical 'Queen of Heaven' are correct? What if she rules a 'Secret Government' which rules all of us? What if there has been corruption, abuses, and atrocities? What if all of this has been absolutely necessary? What if idealism and high-minded ethics are a recipe for disaster? What if the truth is overrated? What if we really cannot rule ourselves? This whole subject is scaring the hell out of me. I'd like to see a non-corrupt and transparent solar system government - but what if a lot of the secret stuff needs to be retained? Can we have our cake - and eat it too? Could there be such a thing as an 'Open Secret Government'? I understand the need for people to work behind the scenes in ways which might not be understood by the general public. I also understand that the general public is not being educated to be responsible. I guess I'd like to see everything change - without anything changing. Continuity should be a top priority as we transition into a Brave New Solar System. The universe is filled with contradictions and absurdities - and I don't expect this to change anytime soon. It's probably good to probe and ask questions - but it's probably a bad thing to push too hard, and ask too many questions. I continue to wish to be an observer of sorts - with access - but no authority. You know - sort of a Palmer Joss ('Contact') type of person - who likes to watch. What would Raven say? Are there people who presently travel the solar system in antigravity craft - travel from underground base to underground base in magneto-leviton trains - and sit in on top meetings (including the most secret and sensitive ones)? Obviously - such a person, or persons, would not be allowed to go and blurt out everything to the press. There is obviously a time and a place for everything. But how do we properly cut down on the corruption and absurdities which have plagued humanity for thousands of years? I'm an idealist - but I'm also a realist.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:15 am

    This man has the right idea! He gets it! He's been at this thing for a long time! I'm just starting to get it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xUEBpjFP1Q Here is the website which describes World Citizenship and the World Passport! http://worldservice.org/index.html?s=1 Garry Davis rocks!!!

    I'm looking for people and organizations which are moving in the direction of the right kind of globalization. This whole thing should mostly be principle-driven rather than personality-driven - because people will rise and fall. There will always be personality clashes and power struggles - but sound principles and concepts will remain. As I study this subject, I like this thread more and more - but I like myself less and less. I wish I were competent and confident - to be able to promote an idealistic solar system governmental system - but I can't seem to responsibly govern my own miserable existence! Look for common people who are doing uncommon things - such as Garry Davis.

    There is no solution for civilization or even the human race, other than the creation of world government. -- Albert Einstein

    There is no first step to world government; world government is the first step. -- Emery Reves, The Anatomy of Peace, 1945

    Henceforth, every nation's foreign policy must be judged at every point by one consideration: does it lead us to a world of law and order or does it lead us back to anarchy and death? -- Albert Einstein

    For what it's worth - I just saw a couple of slow moving streaks of white light between me and the computer screen - as I was making this post. This sort of thing happens periodically. I don't know if it means anything of significance. I don't know if it's the good-guys or the bad-guys - but it appears to be a supernatural occurrance of some kind. The horror!


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:25 pm

    To All of the Gods and Goddess - Good and Evil - Can We Resolve This Thing Already????

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