United States of the Solar System (3)

 

RedEzra wrote:Hear me now and believe me later... it is no coincidence that the politics of the western world has built up communist China to become a super power. In an ideological dictatorship like communism and islam there is no freedom of thought and speech just like under nazism. And the citizens are reduced to be busy bees and beasts of burden for the ruling elite.

In the west there is still some semblance of freedom but under the watchful eyes of various intelligence agencies whose tops are inner members of secret societies or kingsmen who work for the king. Yes the royals are still ruling people as they have done for thousands of years.

It is interesting to note what the bible states about angels begetting children with women... angelic human hybrids who were huge in stature with six fingers and toes on each hand and foot. Those were the natural royals of nations... half human and half angel. There are a lot of rumours about huge human bones found all over the world but for some reason there is no government investigation into this.... rather it is silenced and stacked away from the prying eyes of the public.

There is perhaps a very good reason for this... that the royals are related to those old human angelic hybrids... that the blue bloods can trace their linage to an angel. And the sad part is that it is a fallen angel and so the aristocrazy would be in enmity with GOD and humanity.

You see it all makes perfect sense why the world is as it is...

RedEzra wrote:Us humans sense just a slit of the electromagnetic spectrum... so most of the universe is invisible to us.

Think about that !

There may very well be vibrational worlds above and beneath our spot in the spectrum complete with beings we cannot even sense... and so the expression seeing is believing is in reality very close minded. It is akin to a person born with total color blindness who cannot believe in colors... because he hasn't seen any.

Most people may have had an experience with the supranatural and so they know there is more between heaven and earth but that's about it... and that's why there is so much spiritual speculation.

But unless one is a discarnate spirit one cannot really get a grasp of what's going on in those worlds. Right ?

Eartheart wrote: Might be not so supranatural beyond the quarantained cages and holosync mental projectors in2dim! Its now called the HS, Higher Self which manages the souls x-perience in the body, and that HS will be interpretended as Jesus by most developing humans. That empty symbolism has distracted a many knights and killed a billion inn0cent Earthearts during the demonic conquests... Simplify and purify in our Goddess of avalon to attain creation again. The dead ballast wont help or save a child... Thanx

Eartheart wrote: Alloha Dr. Oxy , who so carelessly quantumnavigated those traps of medevil beastality foodsourcing...

hey that made my day -"processed by an wicked spirit/ghost by the name of *CHI*" or so...    

This modern racist trash got good pounded and condensed by your unflinching efforts lately, seems to ring all my church bells
just by contemplating a few of your hints. Thanx and farewell...

here some more perspiration:

1* that lifeforce/chi packet-which is a frequency pixelcloud stores a lot of intrusive implantations & ideas - especially those morons of contradictional/controverse diabolic dialectix, sick mnemoplexes and pretraumatic conditioning (like dust on the heart)... So the joke was really on the real - what a stink.

2* Best of quotes was from M about the souverign state of anyone as a promise to this threads fruitition into our now/soon ascended Yoniverse with our solar system got over it to "enjoy/play" with bondage... Those Grailvisions are absolutistix and will replace all common idiocrazy dogmatic schools - UknowhatImean  

3*Hey Trinity from Matrix was such a perverted subterfuge trying to underscore the free loving heart, well that could be their BS revealed - so that the whole trinity concept is just that - an unholy BS from the powerhungry ghostrealm, so your speculation of the 3 artangels competing for supramacy here are just for our demolition team... But who in Her/His perfected godstate whould redeem all the angelic host from their service to elevate those mortal combatants beyond their AI competition - Dr. Who seems to be one of those crownagents who wrecked our late history in the first place (with the help of the subraces and demonic reverse code). May you succed instead - as RA feared you would...

4*And here some account to the story of "poop pious" from ANUS/PONTUS/...  At the beginning of 19th c. there was this humanoid effort of new thought and education to elevate the collective misery of early capitalhungry societies. The secret societies sprung into new growth, talmudic writings culminated into such holocaustic BS like 'the elders of zio-n' and other wickedly twisted concocktions of possesed chi/Cheese. Even in those times heavenly/alien inspiration was twisted into materialistic concepts - like marxism and jewish highjacked communism sacrificed millions for really what progress into the next machinistic wars - scripts and longtime projections from 18th c. Papa-cy... (BIG block of red ink in everybodiess CHI-dont go to communism!!!! Morons!) So after those early instigated revolutions in Eurasia (1913-1918) with the 1WW provoked by british/american agents in sarajevo that progressive force of those demonic subraces was in full swing, "that Great Work" of building that temple which never X-isted for that Artangel and hosts. The great work since the inception of the OT/NT writings around the 14th c. and the consequent closing of all gaps and knowledgeable holes in their alleged spamm. That was when those brutish jews wanted it literally, their iland from where out to leech and loot the enforced babylon on the surface.

Here was Pious suggestion to bring them to Ethiopia/Eritrea where the Knights had reportedly found the survivors elithium, where the son of solomon brought that ark of the G and where the original jews left over from egypt exodus where cultivating the gardens...Angelic Beeings had envisioned to bring this African Israel in so that today the whole continent would be the spiritual center of humanity and first contact had spaceports in sahara ect... (At that time there was no palestine, no palestine population and yeah a few jews hung out there like everywhere, trying to make sense of their mutated disfunktional state/affairs). Poop pious must have known of the concocted biblical mare and choose for his churchly M-pire, meanwhile getting all those intel from around the block... It must have schocked when those P2 ect.loges forced the italian army to suddenly annex ethiopia/eritrea (they could only win against those tribeman with the spraying of mu-gas from aircraft) and started the 2.WW before those germans become Xxxxxx over by british agent adolfo (by the way Mussolini was as well a british agent before). ECT... So there was then after the destruction of said new Israel, which was enforced by industrial complex, those conferences of international jews in London (or around there) to enforce the literal script with Zion in Judea and the international finance led by jew banksters stipulated german blockade and their reactions of bbrrrr iggittiggitt demonic subraces wtheck... So conclusive my 5cent is that the nazipope wasnt one, but knew of all this and more, beeing unable to steer the wreck of that insidioussness of artificall riffs and babylons hateagendas...    

5*the orgastic wholeness and UV-envelope - an ongoing comparition of adamic, athlantic and MU-bodytypes with the fruit of our creation - an avalonian meshiach body hosting the round view creation of all species and their specific contributions into our omniverse - hint @ EXIT from holoprojected induction...            

6*The doubleheaded eagle is a symbol of the survivors of the atlantian ghostwars, like the Trident of Shiva/Neptun is a sign of the atlantian King or Kingform of that era-like the suncross a lucky sign brought to earth from those spacefaring humanoids long before those reptiles started their sumerian deceptions!!!!!

 see U almighty

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you Eartheart. I'll have to read your post repeatedly to really understand it. You certainly have a way with words. I've become frighteningly-fixated upon the Medical-Military-Money Complex. I understand the Peace-Prevention-Philanthropy Complex -- but what if Ancient and Ongoing Star-Wars have everything to do with why things are the way they are (in an obviously non-idealistic manner)?? At one point in my life -- I was headed toward the Medical-Military-Money Complex -- but my conscience bothered me -- and I dropped-out -- never recovering. I've been a Shell of a Guy for most of my adult-life -- mostly because of hyper-religiosity and hyper-idealism. The contrast between the Ideal and the Reality is truly devastating -- but most people haven't got a clue (or a backbone). I once worked in a Major Teaching-Hospital (just down the street from a Major VA-Hospital). There were a couple a Major Air-Force Bases just a few miles away. I rented a Room with a View of the Hospitals and One of the Air-Force Bases -- and I sort of made the connection. At one point -- I was very interested in becoming a Flight-Surgeon -- and I think I would've made an excellent one. I'm foolish and stupid now -- but I wasn't always this way. If I had persisted in my pursuit of the Medical-Military-Money Complex (and murdered my conscience) I'd probably be a Multi-Millionaire with a Model-Wife and Charming-Children (attending Harvard and Yale) -- and I might be performing Alien-Autopsies in Deep Underground Military Medical-Centers. Who Knows??? Let's see -- if I sell my house and write a book -- I might be able to afford an Old-Porsche and a Mountain-Cabin -- where I can vegetate away the rest of my miserable life. Truth and Ethics are SO Overrated...

B.B.Baghor wrote:ortho's words "Let's see -- if I sell my house and write a book -- I might be able to afford an Old-Porsche and a Mountain-Cabin"

That's exactly how I can picture you, ortho. To me, you seem to have some likeness with (french) artists working around 1900. For example painters like Gaugin, Matisse, Kokoschka and Paul Delvaux, even Russian painters and writers,  for their melancholy, sort of. You're great in your writing, but quite doomy and gloomy.  Combined with your unique humour, so much is in your head, it might be a relief to get it out and put it down on paper. Or canvas? Do it....... I think you should..... just do it, find that cabin! Here you go, ortho. Porsche is a great design, yellow goes well with the car and also with that mountain cabin   Now, for something completely different, on with the topic, with Viscum Album, the mistletoe we're all familiar with, at Xmas: "Iscador is a herbal cancer treatment derived from fermented European mistletoe (Viscum album). Various parts of the mistletoe plant are used in order to formulate the extraction. Mistletoe has been used medicinally for centuries for a variety of purposes by multiple cultures. Rudolf Steiner pioneered the use of mistletoe therapy in connection to the treatment of cancer in the beginning of the twentieth century".

Source: http://www.hawaiinaturopathicretreat.com/programs/medical/alternative-cancer-treatment-gerson-therapy/iscador-therapy/

During my health-food consultancy training, finished in June 2010, which was based on an antroposofic/regular medical point of view, we've discussed the cause and treatment of cancer, related to nutrition and temperaments. One woman in our class went through a regression of her cancer process, which she had endured many years before. This time it happened on an emotional level. She was so in touch with her body, that she knew how her body reacted to this process and at some point she decided to take Iscador injections. In the 3 years we shared the classroom, I've seen her going from a nihilistic view and self-doubt, to a genuine awareness of her own growth, in YES to her life... and body trust. The old voice remained part of her, with relapses. I've witnessed her journey to health as a teaching. She chose "Lot" as the name of her business, for it's in her name. Lot means Fate in English. The Iscador injections affected her immune system, so she could maintain good health, relatively speaking. In that training, with a gathering of medical doctors of an older age, teachers with experience, being ill is viewed as a sign of good health, strange as it may sound. Only when a body can't fart anymore, things begin to become serious and the being with the scythe steps closer.

Physical illness is a voice of the body, saying "Hey, listen to me, pay attention" it's the physical (sometimes final) materialisation of unbalanced energy in one's system, or the unbalanced way of dealing with it. Which in itself is part of an ongoing process of change, conditions related to phases of our life. Although it's outside wrong or right from the point of overview, it bears consequences. Foremost those conseqences become visible and noticable in our physical body, in our posture too. That's where it shows up as a blessing in disguise, if we choose to receive it that way. I'm not ignoring the emotional impact, the range of sad feelings and grief, accompanying dis-ease. And the support we may offer. That's as much part of the blessing, if you know what I mean. I'm not sharing new insights here, the bridge between our physical body and our emotional state is built, anno 2015, even in parts of the regular medical world. In my view, dis-ease is one of our spirit being's wise decisions, to shake us awake, when nothing else works.

In my view,iIt's not the cause, material or immaterial, that brings on disease or death, it's the awareness of why my health is affected and how it can be used as a roadsign. A roadsign that in itself is created by me, should be created by me, while choosing my path. For as much as dis-ease is viewed as the responsibility of myself, while suffering from it, as much respect is practiced in how I handle my symptoms and deal with the cause of that condition, that dis-ease. Good doctors know how to be supportive in that. Each person has a unique path in the art of physical health maintenance and emotional selfcare. I think we live and die each day, letting go of old and dipping our toes in the waters of new. Sometimes people's lives are a great flash of lightning and sometimes it's a slow simmering of almost reaching boiling point. And all kind of ways are in between. In my life, I started as a fierce flame of indignity, then my fire was kindled and now I've made sure cutting wood is done each day   I have experienced physical dis-ease, the last time was in 1994, when I ended a business. Nowadays we would call it a burn out, at that time my eyes couldn't bear the light and burned painful for 6 months. That turned out to be a wayshower to a healing of a part of me that wandered off, once upon a time. I thank Heavens for it   Last but not least, here's a Q & A document, on the subject of cancer, offered by Richard Wagner, a German medical doctor: http://www.anthromed.org/Article.aspx?artpk=313

magamud wrote:Here was a post from the video you supplied Ortho.

List of 911 key people assassinated by the CIA after 911:

Paul Smith ( wnbc heli pilot), Barry Jennings (wtc security manager), Kenneth Johannemann (explosions witness), Beverly Eckert (911? activist), Bruce Ivins (FBI Anthrax Scientist), Salvatore Princiotta (FNY Firefighter), David Wherley (US General ), Christopher Landis (Virginia Dept of Transportation), Bertha Champagne (Marvin Bush Babysitter...), Michael H. Doran (911 victims lawyer), Deborah Palfrey (run terrorists' escort services)...

They openly assassinate people and it just goes into the memory hole.  Can this mind fog just be programming?  Stimulus response pavlovian behavior modification?  Maybe or is their other EMP, Radar, Scalar bullshit going on to create a Mist?

"Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes."

This Robot Knew Too Much...

Brook wrote:

Another consideration?

http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t6650-self-replicating-alien-probes-could-already-be-here

Do androids milk the electric sheep?

http://arxiv.org/abs/1307.2196

Aquaries1111 wrote:

Ortho,

I know what you do with your "imagery".  You are looking to plant a "seed" in the "imagination" of the "Dreamer".. Are you not?  Okay, so who am I? I am the Dreamer and the Dream and ask that you "KEEP ON DREAMING"!

http://evolver.civicactions.net/user/debradenslow/blog/2012



The Divine looks at "All Probabilities" in order to "learn" without judgement... So go on! Smile, You will still be Loved!

Aquaries1111 wrote:

I have always lived by my name in honor from the Divine! I will never give it up for I am proud of who I am!

orthodoxymoron wrote:If even 10% of this stuff were true, it would still be Earth-Shattering!! I continue to include some of this material in my Religious and Political Science-Fiction, and I treat it as Science-Fiction!! I have no way of verifying 90% of what I speculate-about and post!! I guess I take it seriously, without taking it seriously!!

Carol wrote:Reality does tend to look like fiction Oxy. Nevertheless, what I do know about what is going on is more horrific then what you've presented over the years.

Carol wrote:

Obama's team 'asked for NSA secrets
on more than 30,000 Americans in 2016
and circulated 6,000 intelligence reports
WITHOUT removing their names.

Barack Obama's team used NSA technology to examine data gathered on tens of thousands of Americans abroad during the election, it has emerged. Officials searched both metadata and the actual contents of communications for the names of more than 30,000 US citizens, according to data released by the he Office of the Director of National Intelligence this week. And more than 3,000 of the resulting intelligence reports were then circulated among government departments without the names of the searched parties being redacted, sources with direct knowledge told Circa.

Video at link - Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4472052/Obama-s-team-used-NSA-data-gather-info-citizens.html#ixzz4g7Z1yh7x

Carol wrote:

Trump calls out Rice for
refusal to testify to Congress
Video at link: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/04/trump-calls-out-rice-for-refusal-to-testify-to-congress.html

President Trump on Thursday called out Susan Rice for refusing to testify before a Senate committee investigating both Russian meddling in the 2016 election and allegations of Obama-era spying on Team Trump.

“Susan Rice, the former National Security Advisor to President Obama, is refusing to testify before a Senate Subcommittee next week on allegations of unmasking Trump transition officials. Not good!” Trump wrote in a pair of tweets.

Rice had been asked by Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., to testify before the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime and Terrorism.

Rice’s lawyer, however, said she was declining to appear before the group because the ranking Democratic member on the subcommittee, Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, did not agree Rice should testify, thereby making the request “a significant departure from the bipartisan invitations extended to other witnesses.”

Multiple sources told Fox News last month that Rice had requested to unmask the names of Trump transition officials caught up in foreign surveillance – including Trump’s short-lived national security adviser, Michael Flynn.

Rice largely avoided addressing the specific allegations during an early April interview on MSNBC; however, she said it was “absolutely false” that Obama officials utilized intelligence “for political purposes.”

The allegations that members of the Obama administration used classified information to undermine Trump was raised by Trump himself in a March tweet. Asked last month by The New York Times if he thought Rice committed a crime, Trump said: “Do I think? Yes, I think.”

Carol wrote:

Sean Hannity: Jim Comey thinks we're all stupid
Video at link: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/05/04/sean-hannity-jim-comey-thinks-were-all-stupid.html

Most of the media ignored it, but FBI Director James Comey dropped a bombshell about Hillary Clinton and her aide Huma Abedin's potentially criminal mishandling of classified information Wednesday during testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

The FBI boss was trying to explain why he told the nation, just before the presidential election, that the bureau had reopened the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s private server and mishandling of sensitive government information. The alt-left believes this, and not Clinton’s woeful campaign, lack of a message and endless baggage, is what cost her the election.

Comey explained how a separate probe had turned up emails from Clinton on a computer owned by Anthony Weiner, the pervert married to Clinton aide Huma Abedin.

“What they could see from the metadata was that there were thousands of Secretary Clinton's emails on that device, including what they thought might be the missing e-mails from her first three months as secretary of state,” Comey said. “We never found any emails from her first three months.

But alas, Comey said, the bureau had no reason to believe Huma Abedin had any criminal intent in mishandling sensitive emails. Once again, he ignored the fact that the statute does not require intent, but that’s another issue.

The real issue is, why was Comey only revealing this information now? And we're really supposed to believe that Abedin had no idea that sending classified material to Anthony Weiner's laptop isn't a crime?

Comey, at a minimum, should have done a full investigation of Abedin. By passing, he helped Hillary Clinton. She still lost, but it was in spite of Comey, not because of him. President Trump even said as much on Twitter.

"FBI director Comey was the best thing that ever happened to Hillary Clinton in that he gave her a free pass for many bad deeds,” Trump tweeted. “The phony Trump/Russia story was an excuse used by Democrats as justification for losing the election. Perhaps Trump just ran a great campaign."

Trump’s right. Clinton got a free pass, and so did Abedin and her creepy husband. If you or I did a tiny fraction of what they did, we'd be wearing orange jumpsuits and sitting in a tiny cell somewhere.

While Comey goes through all sorts of verbal gymnastics defending Clinton and defending his decision to let her off the hook, he coyly says only enough about the baseless conspiracy theory involving Trump and Russia to keep it alive with the alt-left.

“Is there any evidence that the Trump campaign assisted or directed those efforts?” Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., asked him.

“That's something that I can't answer here,” Comey replied. “But I would refer you back to what I said was the purpose of the investigation, to understand whether there were any coordination or collusion between elements of the campaign and the Russians.”

Maybe Comey is waiting to make a bombshell announcement about the Trump probe just before the 2020 election. Here’s a better idea for the man who gave Hillary and Huma a break: Give us one.

Adapted from Sean Hannity's monologue on "Hannity," May 3, 2017

Carol wrote:

Email: Hillary Clinton Asked If Anthony Weiner Could Help Deliver Secure Cell Phone
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/11/03/email-hillary-clinton-asked-anthony-weiner-help-deliver-secure-cell-phone/

NEW YORK — In an email released by the State Department on Thursday, Hillary Clinton asked senior aide Huma Abedin whether a trusted staff member working for Abedin’s husband, Anthony Weiner, could deliver a secure cell phone to Clinton.
The August 2, 2010 exchange seems to evidence the close links between Clinton, Abedin and Weiner six years before the disgraced former Congressman found himself at the center of Clinton’s current email woes.

In the correspondence, Clinton and Abedin discuss the possibility of sending a secure cell phone by FedEx.

“OK I will (redacted) just fedex secure cell phone from dc. Anthony leaving office to bring me to airport now so hopefully will make it just in time,” Abedin wrote to Clinton.

Clinton replied the same day, “Maybe one of Anthony’s trusted staff could deliver secure phone?”

The dispatch was part of a slew of emails released by the State Department on Thursday that included 1,280 pages of messages produced under court order.

Carol wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSCCMxYF2c4
Trey Gowdy on Susan Rice, James Comey, and Hillary Clinton!

Carol wrote:Huma Abedin's Family Members Indicted By Federal Grand Jury
Date: Wednesday, 3-May-2017 14:22:57
Tim Brown — May 2, 2017

       Hillary Clinton's deputy chief of staff, Huma Abedin, is back in the news. Actually, she is only in the news now because of two of her family members, who have been indicted by a federal grand jury for conspiracy, wire fraud, and securities fraud.

       The indictments against two of her first cousins, Omar Amanat and Irfan Amanat, were made available via the Justice Department's website. To view Omar's indictment, click here. To view Irfan's indictment, click here.

       Abedin, Clinton and the State Department were mentioned in the indictments.

       According to one of the allegations, the men encouraged Abedin to get help from the State Department. As a result, they received $1.2 million in federal grants.

       “With the revelations of other suspicious activity at the State Department regarding [Hillary] Clinton’s tenure as the secretary of State, it seems a good time by all was had at taxpayers’ expense. The State Department was a great ‘piggy bank,'” said for criminal investigator Mary Jean (MJ) Bellson. “Were these suspects and State Department officials involved in peddling access to the Clinton’s State Department? I think the answer to that question is yes."

       According to the Justice Department in July 2016, Omar, an associate of Kaleil Isaza Tuzman, the former Chairman and CEO of KITD, was charged with conspiring to manipulate the market in KITD shares with several men, and with conspiracy, wire fraud, and aiding and abetting investment adviser fraud for participating in a scheme to defraud investors in Stephen E. Maiden’s hedge fund regarding investments in Enable Invest Ltd., an investment fund affiliated with Amanat.

       “What a tangled web Mr. Amanat tried to weave, when he allegedly conspired with others to devise a scheme to hide the significant losses and insolvency of the fund he controlled," said USPIS Inspector-in-Charge Philip R. Bartlett. "His web of deception was broken when law enforcement put an end to his criminal activity.”

       Omar was arrested on July 13, 2016, and is under house arrest until his trial date in New York City on October 2, 2017.

       Irfan is facing the same charges from the same case. He was arrested in December 2016 after returning from the United Arab Emirates to the US.

       With the announcement of Omar Amanat's indictment, there were two other men indicted, Stephen E. Maiden and rima Jameel. According to that press release, the DOJ stated:

       The Scheme to Defraud Maiden Capital Investors

       SNIP

http://freedomoutpost.com/huma-abedins-family-members-indicted-by-federal-grand-jury/

Carol wrote:

Stressed Huma steps out after bombshell revelation she forwarded
CLASSIFIED documents to pervert Anthony Weiner to print - but dodged prosecution

Huma Abedin steps out after Weiner email revelation. Huma Abedin was spotted in Midtown Manhattan Thursday, heading to Hillary Clinton's office, one day after FBI Director James Comey revealed she was sending emails containing classified information to her husband Anthony Weiner. Sitting before the Senate Judiciary Committee Wednesday, Comey explained how additional Clinton emails were found, which encouraged him to write a letter to Congress notifying lawmakers that the FBI was again looking into them.

Huma Abedin was spotted in Midtown Manhattan Thursday, heading to Hillary Clinton's office, one day after FBI Director James Comey revealed she was sending emails containing classified information to her husband Anthony Weiner.

Sitting before the Senate Judiciary Committee Wednesday, Comey explained how additional Clinton emails were found, which encouraged him to write a letter 11 days before the election to Congress notifying lawmakers that the FBI was again probing the former secretary of state.

The newly-discovered cache of Clinton emails 'were being forwarded to Anthony Weiner, including classified information, by her assistant Huma Abedin,' Comey revealed during his testimony, explaining how they were found on the disgraced congressman's laptop.

Likely because Clinton often ordered her staff to 'please print' out documents so she could read them, Comey surmised.  'And so they found thousands of new emails,' Comey explained.

Comey also confirmed that the FBI had investigated Abedin.

'With respect to Ms. Abedin in particular we didn't have any indication that she had a sense what she was doing was in violation of the law – couldn't prove any criminal invent,' Comey said.    

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4474128/Huma-steps-Weiner-email-revelation.html#ixzz4g9sKKBDP

Carol wrote:Tom Fitton: Comey Has ‘Repeatedly and Improperly Protected Clinton and
Her Top People From Consequences of Criminal Behavior’
by John Hayward 4 May 2017

Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton discussed FBI Director James Comey’s testimony to Congress with SiriusXM host Alex Marlow on Thursday’s Breitbart News Daily.

Hillary Clinton has blamed Comey for her 2016 election loss, but Marlow argued that if Comey had concealed the FBI’s discovery that Clinton was handling classified material irresponsibly – in the most spectacular instance, allowing it to be forwarded to disgraced former congressman Anthony Weiner – it would have been “the end of the FBI as we know it.”

“You put your finger on it – the end of the FBI as we know it,” Fitton agreed. “Comey is very interested in protecting his own reputation and why he should have done X or why he should have done Y.”

“In the final analysis, what happened was that Comey has repeatedly and improperly protected Hillary Clinton and her top people from the consequences of their criminal behavior by coloring the law, misstating the law, and focusing on everything but the elephant in the living room: why didn’t he prosecute her? Why didn’t he recommend a prosecution? Why was immunity granted to all of these individuals? Why is it he said that he needed to prove intent, when in fact all they really needed was gross negligence, which was proven beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt, and he probably had the intent there anyway?” he asked.

“Looking at the testimony generally yesterday, Alex, I just was reassured that Judicial Watch and all the critics of the way the Justice Department and the FBI handled this during the Obama administration are right, that the investigation into Hillary Clinton needs to be opened. He keeps on telling us other reasons why it needs to be opened, by disclosing additional crimes that his FBI has been covering up for eight months now. For instance, Huma Abedin mishandled classified information in sending it along to someone unauthorized to see, review it, or have it – Anthony Weiner, her husband,” said Fitton.

Marlow recalled the “surreal reversal” of Comey’s famous press conference, in which he laid out a compelling case for indicting Clinton – and then said he would not indict her.

“But the media has set the narrative, Tom, which is that he should actually be apologizing for saying anything negative about Her Highness Hillary Clinton, and not the way you and I are seeing it, which is that still we don’t know why she isn’t indicted, given all that we’ve learned,” he said.

“That’s right,” Fitton agreed. “I can understand why that letter was concerning to those people who were in the middle of a campaign. Mrs. Clinton’s conduct was requiring an FBI investigation, but the scandal is the FBI investigation was half-baked.”

He said Judicial Watch litigation has revealed that “the FBI was using Judicial Watch documents that we’ve gotten through the Freedom of Information Act to question some of the witnesses in the Clinton investigation.”

“Why haven’t they gotten them on their own, through grand juries or subpoenas or other law enforcement action?” he asked. “They seem to be following our lead here. I don’t think Comey’s heart was in it. He was always concerned, and he reaffirmed that yesterday, about getting involved in politics. If he was nervous about a letter getting involved in politics, can you imagine what he would have been nervous about if an indictment was in the offing, something that he wanted to pursue in the face of what he confirmed to be Justice Department interference and lack of good faith?”

“He’s just highlighting the fact that A) he shouldn’t be FBI Director, and B) the Justice Department was so thoroughly corrupt that he couldn’t even trust them to tell you what the time of day was, and C) that the investigation into Hillary Clinton needs to be reopened by someone independent and serious, and Comey should have nothing to do with it,” Fitton contended.

“There is precedent for this. I recall at the beginning of the Obama administration – you may remember this – remember the investigation into the four CIA saps who were charged with using enhanced interrogation techniques? They had been exonerated by the Bush administration. The Obama administration came in and re-initiated a special prosecution, an investigation of them. This is what should be done with Hillary Clinton,” he advised.

Marlow asked about the new standard of “criminal intent” as a requirement for indictment, which seems to apply only to “rich and powerful” individuals like Hillary Clinton.

“I don’t know why Mr. Comey is falsely stating what the law is under oath again before Congress,” Fitton replied. “There is no intent needed to prosecute someone for the mishandling of classified information. Just imagine, if someone is so careless about classified information that they leave it on the Internet equivalent of a park bench, of course they’re going to get prosecuted, and they should. That’s what Hillary Clinton did.”

“Not only that, but let’s say they said, ‘Let’s be sure because it’s going to be tough to prosecute her, let’s be sure that we have more than just the gross negligence standard that the law requires. Let’s say that we need the intent standard,’” he continued. “Well, Mrs. Clinton was warned repeatedly – again, uncovered by Judicial Watch documents the FBI had – not to use a system separate from the State Department system because of the security concerns. She acknowledged those warnings and did it anyway. No matter how you slice it, they had the case.”

Another Judicial Watch revelation noted by Marlow was the discovery of emails from Abedin that show “the Clinton Foundation and State Department were linked together on Haiti,” a relationship earlier revealed by Breitbart News Editor-at-Large Peter Schweizer’s book Clinton Cash.

“There were some emails showing that after the terrible Haitian earthquake in 2010, there was an almost immediate conference call involving the Clinton Foundation,” Fitton explained.

“Now, Mrs. Clinton promised that sort of thing wouldn’t happen – that the Clinton Foundation and the State Department, there would be a bright line demarcating, and the two wouldn’t meet. But instead they did meet, and obviously we later found out that Bill Clinton and his foundation effectively ran U.S. government operations down there, despite Mrs. Clinton’s promises that they’d have nothing to do with government when she was in the Secretary of State position, because that’s what she had to do in order to get the position of Secretary of State – promising a bright line between the Clinton Foundation and her Secretary of State office, because both Republicans and Democrats and even the White House, Barack Obama’s White House, had concerns about it,” he said.

“And by the way, the documents we have this week also show more classified information being shared with Huma Abedin and others that Hillary Clinton was sending and receiving on her system. Unbelievable, unbelievable,” Fitton exclaimed.

Marlow criticized President Trump’s announcement that Clinton would not be investigated further, and asked how such a determination could be made when relevant facts of the case are still being uncovered to this day.

“The charitable interpretation of that is that it was a reactive comment, and he doesn’t really believe it,” Fitton said of Trump’s statement on the matter. “I really don’t think he thinks that’s the case. Technically speaking, he can’t prosecute Hillary Clinton. The operational question is, is the Justice Department going to be staffed now by people in the Trump administration who understand what their roles and duties are, and their obligations are, to the American people and do their jobs?”

“All I’m asking is for is the thumb of politicians to be taken off the scales of justice, and allow a prosecution, a regular one, to proceed against Hillary Clinton,” he declared. “Certainly an investigation or a grand jury, a serious one. That doesn’t necessarily mean that she’ll be prosecuted, but the American people will be reassured that the rigged game that went on last year isn’t going to happen again, and there’s going to be finally a full vetting of what went on.”

Carol wrote:

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May 7, 2017
Massive Theft From Russian Bank Said Funded Hillary Clinton And Democrat Party

An astounding report circulating in the Kremlin today issued by the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation (ICR) states that failed 2016 US presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and her Democratic Party (DP) have been implicated in the theft of tens-of-millions of rubles from a now failed bank in Tatarstan (an oil-rich and predominantly Muslim region in central Russia)—and that once Clinton lost her bid to become president, and in a “last gasp” effort to hide these crimes, stole another $60 million from Irish investors too. [Note: Some words and/or phrases appearing in quotes in this report are English language approximations of Russian words/phrases having no exact counterpart.]

According to this report, shortly after taking office as US Secretary of State in 2009, Hillary Clinton began a massive scheme to illegally enrich herself and her Democratic Party using “unscrupulous methods and tactics” against “unsuspecting and unsophisticated” Russian banks—and whose largest “deal” actually benefited the Federation when in 2013 Rosatom (Russian state owned energy giant) was able to acquire vast amounts of American uranium reserves having to pay the Clinton’s just $3 million.

One of the Russian banks frequently used by Hillary Clinton, her husband former President Bill Clinton, and her criminal associates, this report continues, was Tatfondbank and its smaller affiliated Intekhbank PJSC—both located in Tatarstan.

Due to the illegal machinations employed by Hillary Clinton and her criminal Western banking associates, this report details, by 1 June 2016 (in the midst of the US presidential race) Tatfondbank and Intekhbank PJSC contributed to Tatarstan reporting that its banking assests had reached 1 trillion rubles.

Being “doubtful/dubious” about this reporting from Tatarstan, this report explains, the Central Bank of Russia (CBR) began an initial investigation into banks located in Tatarstan—but whom immediately came under “extreme” pressure to limit this investigation by the American super-lobbyist Tony Podesta (brother of Hillary Clinton’s national presidential campaign manager John Podesta) who “promised/devoted” that upon Hillary Clinton taking office once she won the presidency, all Western sanctions against Russian banks would be lifted.

Immediately after losing the US presidential election to now President Donald Trump, though, this report continues, the CBR was alerted to a mysterious bond offering of $60 million being made to “unwitting/unsuspecting” Irish investors on behalf of Tatfondbank—and that was being “organized/manipulated” by several shadowy Western banking companies—including TFB Finance, TMF Group BV, SC Lowy and Merdeka Capital—with their “common linkage” being that they were all “known/suspected” abettors to the international money laundering organization known as the Clinton Foundation.

Upon learning of this mysterious bond offering, this report says, the CBR contacted the ICR who began their own investigation—and that initially revealed Tatfondbank was missing 97 billion rubles ($1.6 billion) it couldn’t account for.

By early March (2017), however, this report states, the ICR determined that 3 billion rubles ($51.9 million) had been stolen from Tatfondbank—and who placed under arrest for this grave crime Robert Musin, the Chairman of the Board in Tatfondbank, Ramil Nasyrov, the ex-First Deputy Chairman of the Board in Tatfondbank, and Elena Leushina, the Director of Royal Time Group Limited Liability Company.

Most important of these arrests to the ICR in their attempting to discover where these stolen monies were sent to, this report explains, was Elena Leushina who was the Director of Royal Time Group—another shadowy company listing itself as being in the construction and casino business—and whose “listed partners” KPMG LLP, AECOM and Steelman Partners were all discovered to have used stolen Tatfondbank money to fund not only Hillary Clinton’s failed US presidency bid, but other Democrat Party candidates too.

Of the stolen Tatfondbank monies able to be traced due to Elena Leushina’s “interrogation/confession”, this report details, is:

From Tatfondbank to Royal Time Group to KPMG LLP: $129,689 given to Hillary Clinton; $100,000 given to host the Democratic Party Convention; over $50,000 given to US Democratic Party Senator Chuck Schumer; nearly $40,000 to the Democrat Party Service Corp; nearly $35,000 to the Democrat Party Congressional Campaign Committee; and over $33,000 to the Democrat Party Senatorial Campaign Committee.

From Tatfondbank to Royal Time Group to AECOM: $350,000 to Democrat Party super-PACS Priorities USA Action and Emily’s List; $136,800 to the Democrat Party Service Corp; $63,558 to Hillary Clinton; $26,234 to the Maine Democrat Party State Committee; $25,525 to US Democrat Party Senator Patty Murray; $21,800 to US Democrat Party Senator Chuck Schumer; and $18,632 to the Democrat Party of Virginia.

From Tatfondbank to Royal Time Group to Steelman Partners: $28,000 to the Democrat Party.

The “trail of fraud” from Tatfondbank has, also, this report continues, affected the Federation gravely too—with the CBR stating a few weeks ago that it was lending 66.7 billion rubles ($1.19 billion) to help keep troubled bank Peresvet (a lender run by the Russian Orthodox Church) afloat, and that is now being overseen by Rosatom.

By both the CBR and ICR discovering how easily Hillary Clinton and her criminal Democratic Party accomplices were in manipulating Russian banks in their money laundering scheme, this report further states, the Federation this month announced it was reversing itself and would now legalize cryptocurrencies in order to protect all banks in the future.

As to why Hillary Clinton and her Democrat Party needed to swindle Russian banks in the first place in order to finance themselves, this report explains, is due to what is being called a “liquidity supernova” erupting in the West that has seen their Central Banks (CB) buying $1 trillion of financial assets just in the first four months of 2017, which amounts to $3.6 trillion annualized and is "the largest CB buying on record”.

So short of cash is the West, in fact, this report continues, that since 2014, its Central Banks have had to spend $200 billion per quarter just to keep their markets from crashing—and that continues to this very day as evidenced by the Swiss National Bank boosting its total equity holdings to an all time high of $80.4 billion, up $17 billion from the $63.4 billion at the end of 2016, the biggest quarterly increase in its history.

With America, too, suffering through what is being called the worst “retail apocalypse” in its entire history that is now seeing even its most valued tech workers living in their vehicles in the shadows of its Silicon Valley tech giants, this report concludes, this nation remains in denial about Hillary Clinton and her Democratic Party crimes choosing, instead, to believe that Russia is their dire enemy when nothing could be further from the truth—and as to how these peoples have ever come to believe that Russia’s paltry 143 million citizens would ever want to conquer the nearly 330 million peoples in the United States and their nearly 800 million European Union allies bespeaks more about the destructive power of their leftist-communist propaganda mainstream media than what reality actually is, or even could be.

May 7, 2017 © EU and US all rights reserved. Permission to use this report in its entirety is granted under the condition it is linked back to its original source at WhatDoesItMean.Com.

Carol wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UXJGCIhYvk
@ 4:33, the most revealing statement on the Comey firing


Gingrich on Comey's firing:
Trump had no choice

Carol wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGEwJXrLXF8

@ 5:38, another huge reason why Comey may have been fired is his
due to his role in blocking national security clearances for Trump nominees

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfZpyQx0POk
Mike Cernovich Releases New White House Leaks
Published on May 10, 2017
Mike Cernovich joins to discuss new details
regarding Trump's dismissal of James Comey
and the leakers inside his White House.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/#

Carol wrote:Just a heads Up. I've been running into problems with the internet starting late afternoon yesterday where programs wouldn't load, slow loading if at all and difficulty accessing a variety of internet sites along with the Mists. There is mention of cyber attacks on Drudge.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/12/world/europe/uk-national-health-service-cyberattack.html?_r=0

"LONDON — Hackers using a tool stolen from the United States government conducted extensive cyberattacks on Friday that hit dozens of countries around the world, severely disrupting Britain’s public health system and wreaking havoc on computers elsewhere, including Russia.

Hospitals in Britain appeared to be the most severely affected by the attacks, which aimed to blackmail computer users by seizing their data. The attacks blocked doctors’ access to patient files and forced emergency rooms to divert people seeking urgent care.

Kaspersky Lab, a Russian cybersecurity firm, said it had recorded at least 45,000 attacks in as many as 74 countries.

It was not immediately clear who was behind the attacks, but the acts deeply alarmed cybersecurity experts and underscored the enormous vulnerabilities faced by disjointed networks of computer systems around the world."

Carol wrote:

RANSOMWARE ATTACKS WORLDWIDE...
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-39901382

orthodoxymoron wrote:As you all know, I've been listening to Sherry Shriner's shows for years, while NOT being a Follower and/or Orgone-Warrior. Anyway, her shows seem to be a mixture of "Good-Stuff" and the "Ridiculous". I've privately speculated about who Sherry might REALLY be, and I've provided various hints on this site, without being too direct, and without making a big-deal about it. For the past couple of weeks, Sherry has been more "Imminently-Eschatological" than usual, and in her show today (Friday, May 12, 2017) at 9:00 AM (Pacific Standard Time) she spoke ominously about some major-development (regarding China in particular) occurring in five-hours (which would be 2:00 PM PST). Well, that's right now!! She's seemingly issued Failed-Prophecies in the past, but I still think she knows a HUGE Amount. She could be AI or CIA for all I know, but for some reason I have felt the need to keep tabs on her "revelations". I'd sure like to know the whole-truth about Sherry Shriner!! Does all of the above have anything to do with this thread on cyber-attacks?? I don't know. I seem to know less and less as I dig deeper and deeper.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sherrytalkradio/2017/05/12/05-12-17-blacklisted-news-and-bible-prophecy-watch

Carol wrote: yup..

DAY THE EARTH WAS HACKED...
https://apnews.com/e8402f2faf934f7ab5419d4961d3dafe/Global-extortion-cyberattack-hits-dozens-of-nations

BIGGEST RANSOMWARE OUTBREAK EVER...
https://theintercept.com/2017/05/12/the-nsas-lost-digital-weapon-is-helping-hijack-computers-around-the-world/

AT LEAST 99 COUNTRIES ATTACKED...
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-39901382

GLOBAL TASK FORCE LAUNCHED...
Gang behind 'unprecedented' attack using 'atom bomb of malware' which has now spread to 130,000 systems in more than 100 countries are targeted by global task force.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4502384/Global-task-force-launched-snare-cyber-attack-gang.html

RACE TO CONTAIN FALLOUT...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/13/world/asia/cyberattacks-online-security-.html

LIST: ORGANIZATIONS HIT...
NHS - The British public health service, RENAULT - The French automobile giant, NISSAN SUNDERLAND PARK, RUSSIAN BANKS AND MINISTRIES - Russia's central bank was targeted, along with several government ministries and the railway system. The interior ministry said 1,000 of its computers were hit by a virus, GERMAN RAILWAYS - Germany's Deutsche Bahn national railway operator was affected, FEDEX, TELEFONICA - The Spanish telephone giant, SWEDISH ENGINEERING FIRM SANDVIK, SCHOOLS IN CHINA AND THE PHILIPPINES, TWO MAJOR INDONESIAN HOSPITALS. Note: Cyber extortionists tricked victims into opening attachments and spam emails that appeared to contain invoices, job offers, security warnings and other legitimate files. The ransomware encrypted data on the computers, demanding payments to restore access.  
http://www.straitstimes.com/world/organisations-hit-by-global-cyberattack

'COULD COST LIVES'...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/13/edward-snowden-points-blame-nsa-not-preventing-nhs-cyber-attack/

NSA CYBER WEAPON... Hackers Hit Dozens of Countries Exploiting Stolen N.S.A. Tool
SAN FRANCISCO — Hackers exploiting malicious software stolen from the National Security Agency executed damaging cyberattacks on Friday that hit dozens of countries worldwide, forcing Britain’s public health system to send patients away, freezing computers at Russia’s Interior Ministry and wreaking havoc on tens of thousands of computers elsewhere. The attacks amounted to an audacious global blackmail attempt spread by the internet and underscored the vulnerabilities of the digital age.

Transmitted via email, the malicious software locked British hospitals out of their computer systems and demanded ransom before users could be let back in — with a threat that data would be destroyed if the demands were not met.

By late Friday the attacks had spread to more than 74 countries, according to security firms tracking the spread. Kaspersky Lab, a Russian cybersecurity firm, said Russia was the worst-hit, followed by Ukraine, India and Taiwan. Reports of attacks also came from Latin America and Africa.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/12/world/europe/uk-national-health-service-cyberattack.html

BLOGGER 'HALTS BY ACCIDENT'... 'Accidental hero' halts ransomware attack and warns: this is not over. Expert who stopped spread of attack by activating software’s ‘kill switch’ says criminals will ‘change the code and start again’
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/13/accidental-hero-finds-kill-switch-to-stop-spread-of-ransomware-cyber-attack

Pris wrote:

RedEzra wrote:The world is just a big killing field... and soon it will come to you as well.

Pris wrote:Propaganda for the globalists -- you're doin' it right!

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The global satanists are about to nuke this place... the northern hemisphere that is.

Did you think that after thousands of years of warfare that they would not use nukes ?

You are assuming I don't know what's going on and that I'm in some kind of denial.

I'm very aware that there's some small group of warmongering psychopathic globalists that have wormed their way into every aspect of our lives, infecting our society with their negativist, psychological illness and enforcing it with their abomination of a death culture.  Their motto is 'order out of chaos' and they have a 'grand plan' to dominate and victimize the planet with their 'new world order' empire.

They've used nukes already.  And, they'll keep using nukes so long as we let them.  They'll invent whatever excuse they can come up with to use nukes/weapons to keep their war machine running.  They like having the support of the public.  If they don't get support, they'll invent some false flag to justify their actions -- to get the ball rolling.  For example, why do you suppose we have nuclear power plants all over the place?  They're bombs.  You can always set one of those off and just say it was an accident or a 'terrorist' did it.

These particular globalists are killers, genocidal.  Not only do they enjoy killing us outright, they also enjoy killing us slowly in ways that are difficult to trace back to them (lack of sufficient evidence for 'probable cause' because they control the game).  They especially enjoy it when they get us to kill each other.  That saves them the trouble.

They exploit our compassion -- our desire to help others and do the 'right' thing -- to push their totalitarian global agenda (eg. 'Agenda 21' -- 'Project Everyone').

We've been allowing all this insanity to happen because we've been conned into believing in the 'myth of authority'.  We've been heavily programmed.

Any and all 'authority' (that which arches over: hierarchy, archon, archangel etc.) is a myth that we believe in -- we bow down to it.  Government control systems (enforced by police/military) and religious control systems (enforced mostly by religious zealots) are both mind control systems that work in tandem.

Who do you think is really behind the Bible and any or all other religious scripts (religion: to bind, to bring together like a bunch of sticks... fasces, fascism).  That's a statement, not a question.

The use of money and the control of money to coerce, corrupt, and cause disparity (its inherent flaws makes it the perfect tool) is keeping their machine well oiled (oil, petroleum -- joke, get it?).


Notice how the dollar symbol -- a symbol of slavery -- also looks like a fasces.

This negative propaganda/psychological warfare perpetrated against us has deep hooks.  It is fear-based.  These deranged people have made it their business to be experts on human psychology and they've been perfecting their 'craft' of instilling fear in the minds of the masses for hundreds if not thousands of years.  They use all kinds of mind control techniques and systems which include mainstream media, Hollywood (the magician uses his magic wand made of 'holly wood' to put people into a trance), and our 'educational' systems.  More recently, they have been using advanced technologies (including drugs/poisons) to alter our psychology/physiology.

The brainwashing has worked so well on you, Red, that you're (mostly) oblivious to it.  You've become a mouthpiece for the globalists.  I don't think you're entirely brainwashed though because you're starting to get hysterical.  The seams are starting to show.  Some logical part of you, deep down, knows there's something seriously illogical about what you're saying (cognitive dissonance) because you can't make a good argument.

And, you haven't tried to kick me out of your thread yet which is a good sign.  
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"This Thread Is $HIT!!"

King and Queen
(CO-CEO's)
of
Solar Systems Incorporated??




Isis and Osiris??

Imagine RA (In the Above Image) Speaking the Words in the Following Links:

1. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sherrytalkradio/2017/05/09/05-08-17-blacklisted-news-and-bible-prophecy-watch
2. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sherrytalkradio/2017/05/16/05-15-17-blacklisted-news-and-bible-prophecy-watch

Imagine David Koresh Speaking the Words in the Above Links. Think About It.

orthodoxymoron wrote:Try reading the ENTIRE Book of Deuteronomy (rather than just the Ten-Commandments) and the ENTIRE Book of Revelation (and not just Proof-Texts) straight-through with multiple-repetitions. This places things in a better context, but reading the Deuteronomy and Revelation portions of a reputable Bible-Commentary straight-through with multiple-repetitions is a proper way to understand these portions of Sacred-Scripture. It is interesting to note what each of the 66 Books of the Bible does with the Ten-Commandments. You might be surprised. What Was the Perfect Law of the Lord Prior to the Creation of the Human-Being?? What is the Perfect Law of the Lord Throughout the Universe?? What does the First-Chapter of the Book of Revelation say about when the Events Prophesied in Revelation Will Occur??

Prologue

1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

Greetings and Doxology

4 John, To the seven churches in the province of Asia: Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen. 7 “Look, he is coming with the clouds,” and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.” So shall it be! Amen. 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

John’s Vision of Christ

9 I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. 10 On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, 11 which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.” 12 I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance. 17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades. 19 “Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later. 20 The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.

Pris wrote:

RedEzra wrote:

Pris wrote:
What kind of a 'choice' is it when you are threatened with eternal damnation if you don't OBEY?

Obey the ten commandments which are simple house rules on earth... love GOD and your neighbour and don't kill lie cheat and steal from him. If you kill lie cheat and steal it is possible to be forgiven... if you come to remorse and stop it. We have to obey not to kill lie cheat and steal else our world will turn into chaos and fear... just imagine how terrible it would be if we lived without law and order. Think of GOD as your Father and yourself as a fourteen year old teen... it helps put things in perspective.

You said, '...just imagine how terrible it would be if we lived without law and order.'  Right.  We're surrounded by 'law and order'.  You're saying it could be worse?  EXCUSE ME?   You've got it all backwards, Red.

'Order out of Chaos'... get it?  They cause chaos using their 'laws' -- their 'authority' -- to get their perverted version of 'order'. It is the belief in authority (in whatever form it takes eg. governments, religions) that takes our power away, makes us live in fear, turns us into slaves, and finally destroys us. I found this Pagan perspective... amusing to say the least.

The only one I obey is myself.  Sometimes.

Red, you said: 'Think of GOD as your Father and yourself as a fourteen year old teen... it helps put things in perspective.'  LOL!  In this context, I am the grownup.  Nice try though. As a religious person, Red, you are always talking about 'God' as your 'Father'.... never a mention of your 'Mother'... I found this which I thought to be quite logical from the Pagan perspective.

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Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:

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That's 'Ra' wearing the symbol for Saturn of course (in the movie Stargate). The 'horns' represent Saturn's rings. Guess who's 'Lucifer'? Those who worship 'Lucifer' worship Saturn (a.k.a. 'Satan' worship).

Here's another symbol for Saturn:

Here's the north pole of Saturn.  Coincidence?  

Pris wrote:'Lucifer' (Satan, devil)... may have been the 'good guy' originally.  But, if he returns as 'the beast' and wants everyone to worship and obey him, then he's no different than 'God' lol.

Hey, Oxy... this 'Ra' wouldn't happen to be the same 'ancient Egyptian deity' you keep mentioning would it?  Mr. ?.....
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orthodoxymoron wrote:Interesting Posts!! The Internet is sort of 'Law Without Law' and 'Order Out of Chaos'!! It is somewhat Self-Governing!! Is this Fallen and Sinful Human-Nature at Work?? I continue to think that Law and Law-Enforcement are two of the most important topics imaginable!! You'd probably have to be me (or read through all of my threads) to understand the scope of my concern. People wish to be Protected and Rescued BUT they Do NOT Wish to be Told What to Do!! BTW -- Sometimes I think RA = Lucifer = Ancient Egyptian Deity = An Unnamed Angel. Did I talk to the Real-Deal (and drive them to Starbucks) OR was some alphabet-agency playing games with me?? I'm honestly trying to stop posting. This stuff is taking too many years off my miserable life!!

Pris wrote: Actually, we're capable of entirely self-governing.  We're not only capable, it's required.  Otherwise, we're slaves.  That's the whole point.

People have been programmed to think they need to be protected and rescued by someone or something from 'out there'.  It really comes down to taking responsibility for our lives as individuals and taking action, but that truth has been beaten out of us.  The hand that's been feeding us has been poisoning us all along.  What they don't want us to know is our power has always been there -- it's only been suppressed.

Look how they proudly display us:

.....................................................................................Slaves in chains
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It's time to remember who we are!


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Carol wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwb49Ro9HDQ

David Laufman of DOJ (Chief of counter-intelligence of espionage) is the leaker, according to Cernovich. David Laufman is an Obama holdover who donated to Obama and was responsible for clearing Hillary Clinton. He led the independent investigation of the Clinton emails. The other suspect is McMasters whose having problems with Trump. What better way to repair the relationship is to create a crisis and come to the Trump's rescue.

The real story is that who ever leaked the story put American Special Forces in great danger. This was leaked to hurt Trump and our partners on terrorism to believe that they can't trust the US.

1. Wapo story was true in that it had sources.
2. The sources lied to Wapo and played them.

and there is this other person's perspective:

The reason the Washington Post is running this fake Russian story is because John Podesta works for them. His pal Jeff Bezos is a liar protecting Hillary Clinton and Obama.

Obama even met with Jeff Bezos yesterday at WAPO, ask yourselves why would he do that? Jeff Bezos is pals with Richard Branson and they are working towards destroying the USA as a nation...remember Richard Branson? Obama spent a lot of time with him on his private billionaire island after he left the white house.

The other crooked connection is David Brock. David knows what happened to Seth Rich...and this is coming out now that Comey is gone.

If Jeff Bezos is smart he will back the off before he is indicted for aiding and abetting murderers, but I suspect he more cocky than smart. He actually believes he will succeed in destroying the country with his leftist agenda, he feels he is above the law. And thanks to Obama quietly letting the Media Propaganda Act expire in 2013, I understand why he would feel empowered to make fake news up.

But we remember everything!

Last year Control the Record was hacked. Control the Record is a David Brock shill farm that was established to spread fake crap about the other candidates all over the internet for Hillary Clinton. A lot of news reporters worked for CTR...which should explain why Twitter is teaming with verified blue checks that constantly attack President Trump and spread fake info. They are CTR employees. Jack Dorsey knows exactly what I am typing about!

This was hacked from the CTR chat logs, it is a convo between David Brock, Elliot Fink, and Elizabeth Kim. They were talking about taking out lead Trump Supporters on forums ala Seth Rich if necessary:

ekim [6:26 AM]
What are we going to do with that?

brock [6:27 AM]
dof u really want tio Xxxxxxxx know, kim?

ekim [6:27 AM]
i’m good.

ekim [6:30 AM]
I’m on it. Do you know what brock is going to do with them? I do kind of want to know, sir.

efink [6:31 AM]
google Seth Rich and shut up about it.

We have more of their logs, some were shared on GLP before the election. We also have their full addresses and info, which I shared with the FBI (before I knew Comey was bad).

Hillary Clinton and David Brock need to be fully investigated along with Obama, Jeff Bezos and the pedostas.

I'll add Carlos Slim, the Mexican billionaire who owns the New York Times as another one that needs to be looked at for actually using his newspaper to destroy an American election and actively working towards taking out the standing president. He is a real foreigner equal to his fake Russian accusations. He is doing what he is accusing Russia of doing!

This is serious.

WAPO and the NYT are in committing crimes and abetting criminals. And all their CTR shills are accomplices.

Meanwhile,

"Trump says Washington Post owner Bezos has 'huge antitrust problem'"

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/13/trump-says-washington-post-owner-bezos-has-huge-antitrust-problem.html

The Washington Post cites “former U.S. officials” as a primary source for the story.

Now this is interesting...HOW would a FORMER US Official get access to what was discussed in that private meeting?

Carol wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkprB_p16gc
Reince Priebus Is Outed As a Leaker By Mike Cernovich, Alex Jones And Roger Stone

"We Built Vegas With Bugsy!!"




"These Erudite Scholars Always
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I frankly don't trust anyone or anything when it comes to Antiquity, Futurity, the Otherworldly, and the Supernatural. How Do We REALLY KNOW?? Lies and Stories can be written and repeated. People lie all the time. I've been reduced to treating most of this stuff as Science-Fiction which might contain some elements of truth. When I asked an Individual of Interest who they REALLY WERE, I thought I heard them whisper "Lucifer" but I didn't ask follow-up questions. Perhaps I should've. What if Sun-Gods in this universe MUST be a combination of Good and Evil, especially if this universe is One HUGE Star-War?? What if Sun-Gods can easily transition back and forth between Good and Evil?? I am extremely apprehensive regarding the Nature of God and the Universe. When I asked an Individual of Interest about the true state of affairs regarding this Solar System and Beyond, they said "You Don't Want to Know." The Bible is virtually Silent regarding "Lucifer". This is shocking, especially regarding how much Christianity depends on Lucifer and/or the Devil to take the blame for the Ills of the World. In the Bible, God often seems to be Unethical and Violent. What if most everyone and everything are bad (throughout the universe)?? I asked "RA" about how good or bad humanity was, and he replied "Everyone is Bad." I asked him "How Good is Too Good??" He didn't have an answer. "RA" was a "Sinister CEO" Kind of Guy!!

I kept thinking and privately muttering "Everyone Hates Me!!" One night, "RA" said "You think everyone hates you, but they REALLY Hate ME!!" What if Supercomputers Will Replace Sun-Gods Throughout the Universe?? What if Good Sun-Gods Quickly Become Bad Sun-Gods?? Does Absolute-Power ALWAYS Corrupt Absolutely?? "RA" said "You Will Manifest Your Bad-Side." What if "Lucifer" = "Sun-God" as a "Job-Title" rather than a "Proper-Name"?? I suspect that "Lucifer" has Multiple-Personalities and Multiple-Bodies. I think I've sensed and seen evidence of this. Honest. I don't lie about this stuff. I might "get it wrong" or "slightly-exaggerate" but I don't "practice to deceive". Finally, I recommend reading The Lucifer Diary by Attorney Lewis Walton. I've been present at several of his lectures, and I've spoken with him privately. Once, a very-long time ago, he told me that if Jesus showed-up (presumably prior to the Second-Coming of Christ) the church wouldn't know what to do with Him!! His book is very different than his other books, and somehow, I can't imagine Lewis actually writing this "Lucifer" book. It scared the hell out of me!! That's all I'm going to say. https://www.amazon.com/Lucifer-Diary-Lewis-R-Walton/dp/0965683427/ref=sr_1_1?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer Lucifer (/ˈluːsɪfər/;[1][2][3] LOO-sif-ər) is the King James Version rendering of the Hebrew word הֵילֵל in Isaiah (Isaiah 14:12). The Vulgate translation uses the Latin word lucifer, but with a lower-case initial,[4] The Hebrew word, transliterated Hêlêl[5] or Heylel (pron. as HAY-lale),[6] occurs once in the Hebrew Bible[5] and according to the KJV-based Strong's Concordance means "shining one, light-bearer".[6] The Septuagint renders הֵילֵל in Greek as ἑωσφόρος[7][8][9][10][11] (heōsphoros),[12][13][14] a name, literally "bringer of dawn", for the morning star.[15] The word Lucifer is taken from the Latin Vulgate,[16] which translates הֵילֵל as lucifer,[17][18] meaning "the morning star, the planet Venus", or, as an adjective, "light-bringing".[19]

Later Christian tradition came to use the Latin word for "morning star", lucifer, as a proper name ("Lucifer") for the devil; as he was before his fall.[20] As a result, "'Lucifer' has become a by-word for Satan / the Devil in the church and in popular literature",[16] as in Dante Alighieri's Inferno, Joost van den Vondel's Lucifer and John Milton's Paradise Lost.[14] However, the Latin word never came to be used almost exclusively, as in English, in this way, and was applied to others also, including Jesus.[21] The image of a morning star fallen from the sky is generally believed among scholars to have a parallel in Canaanite mythology.[22]

However, according to both Christian[23] and Jewish exegesis, in the Book of Isaiah, chapter 14, the King of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar II, conqueror of Jerusalem, is condemned in a prophetic vision by the prophet Isaiah and is called the "Morning Star" (planet Venus).[24][25] In this chapter the Hebrew text says הֵילֵל בֶּן-שָׁחַר (Helel ben Shachar, "shining one, son of the morning").[26] "Helel ben Shahar" may refer to the Morning Star, but the text in Isaiah 14 gives no indication that Helel was a star or planet.[27][28]

Translation of הֵילֵל as "Lucifer", as in the King James Version, has been abandoned in modern English translations of Isaiah 14:12. Present-day translations have "morning star" (New International Version, New Century Version, New American Standard Bible, Good News Translation, Holman Christian Standard Bible, Contemporary English Version, Common English Bible, Complete Jewish Bible), "daystar" (New Jerusalem Bible, English Standard Version, The Message, "Day Star" New Revised Standard Version), "shining one" (New Life Version, New World Translation, JPS Tanakh) or "shining star" (New Living Translation).

The term appears in the context of an oracle against a dead king of Babylon,[29] who is addressed as הילל בן שחר (Hêlêl ben Šāḥar),[30][31] rendered by the King James Version as "O Lucifer, son of the morning!" and by others as "morning star, son of the dawn".

In a modern translation from the original Hebrew, the passage in which the phrase "Lucifer" or "morning star" occurs begins with the statement: "On the day the Lord gives you relief from your suffering and turmoil and from the harsh labour forced on you, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has come to an end! How his fury has ended!"[32] After describing the death of the king, the taunt continues:

"How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, 'I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.' But you are brought down to the realm of the dead, to the depths of the pit. Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: 'Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble, the man who made the world a wilderness, who overthrew its cities and would not let his captives go home?'"[33]

J. Carl Laney has pointed out that in the final verses here quoted, the king of Babylon is described not as a god or an angel but as a man; and that man may have been not Nebuchadnezzar II, but rather his son, Belshazzar. During the trito Isaiah period of the Persian sacking of the Neo-Babylonian Empire, Nebuchadnezzar was gripped by a spiritual fervor to build a temple to the moon god Sin (possibly analogous with Hubal, the primary God of pre-Islamic Mecca), and his son ruled as regent. The Abrahamic scriptural texts could be interpreted as a weak usurping of true kingly power, and a taunt at the failed regency of Belshazzar.[34][35]

For the unnamed[36] "king of Babylon" a wide range of identifications have been proposed.[37] They include a Babylonian ruler of the prophet Isaiah's own time[37] the later Nebuchadnezzar II, under whom the Babylonian captivity of the Jews began, or Nabonidus,[37][38] and the Assyrian kings Tiglath-Pileser, Sargon II and Sennacherib.[34][37][39] Herbert Wolf held that the "king of Babylon" was not a specific ruler but a generic representation of the whole line of rulers.[40]

In ancient Canaanite mythology, the morning star is pictured as a god, Attar, who attempted to occupy the throne of Ba'al and, finding he was unable to do so, descended and ruled the underworld.[41][42] The original myth may have been about a lesser god Helel trying to dethrone the Canaanite high god El who lived on a mountain to the north.[43][44] Hermann Gunkel's reconstruction of the myth told of a mighty warrior called Hêlal, whose ambition it was to ascend higher than all the other stellar divinities, but who had to descend to the depths; it thus portrayed as a battle the process by which the bright morning star fails to reach the highest point in the sky before being faded out by the rising sun.[45]

Similarities have been noted with the East Semitic story of Ishtar's or Inanna's descent into the underworld,[44] Ishtar and Inanna being associated with the planet Venus.[46] A connection has been seen also with the Babylonian myth of Etana. The Jewish Encyclopedia comments:

"The brilliancy of the morning star, which eclipses all other stars, but is not seen during the night, may easily have given rise to a myth such as was told of Ethana and Zu: he was led by his pride to strive for the highest seat among the star-gods on the northern mountain of the gods ... but was hurled down by the supreme ruler of the Babylonian Olympus."[47] The Greek myth of Phaethon, whose name, like that of הֵילֵל, means "Shining One", has also been seen as similar.[45]

The Eerdmans Commentary on the Bible points out that no evidence has been found of any Canaanite myth of a god being thrown from heaven, as in Isaiah 14:12. It concludes that the closest parallels with Isaiah's description of the king of Babylon as a fallen morning star cast down from heaven are to be found not in any lost Canaanite and other myths but in traditional ideas of the Jewish people themselves, echoed in the Biblical account of the fall of Adam and Eve, cast out of God's presence for wishing to be as God, and the picture in Psalm 82 of the "gods" and "sons of the Most High" destined to die and fall.[29] This Jewish tradition has echoes also in Jewish pseudepigrapha such as 2 Enoch and the Life of Adam and Eve.[29][47][48]

The Hebrew words הֵילֵל בֶּן-שָׁחַר (Helel ben Shaḥar, "day-star, son of the morning")[6][28] in Isaiah 14:12 are part of a prophetic vision against an oppressive king of Babylon.[49] Jewish exegesis of Isaiah 14:12–15 identified the king of Babylon as Nebuchadnezzar II.[50] Verse 20 says that this king of Babylon will not be "joined with them [all the kings of the nations] in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, thou hast slain thy people; the seed of evil-doers shall not be named for ever", but rather be cast out of the grave, while "All the kings of the nations, all of them, sleep in glory, every one in his own house".[28][51]

As an adjective, the Latin word lucifer meant "light-bringing" and was applied to the moon.[19] As a noun, it meant "morning star", or, in Roman mythology, its divine personification as "the fabled son of Aurora[52] and Cephalus, and father of Ceyx", or (in poetry) "day".[19] The second of the meanings attached to the word when used as a noun corresponds to the image in Greek mythology of Eos, the goddess of dawn, giving birth to the morning star Phosphorus.[52]

Isaiah 14:12 is not the only place where the Vulgate uses the word lucifer. It uses the same word four more times, in contexts where it clearly has no reference to a fallen angel: 2 Peter 1:19 (meaning "morning star"), Job 11:17 ("the light of the morning"), Job 38:32 ("the signs of the zodiac") and Psalms 110:3 ("the dawn").[53] Lucifer is not the only expression that the Vulgate uses to speak of the morning star: three times it uses stella matutina: Sirach 50:6 (referring to the actual morning star), and Revelation 2:28 (of uncertain reference) and 22:16 (referring to Jesus). Indications that in Christian tradition the Latin word lucifer, unlike the English word, did not necessarily call a fallen angel to mind exist also outside the text of the Vulgate. Two bishops bore that name: Saint Lucifer of Cagliari, and Lucifer of Siena.

In Latin, the word is applied to John the Baptist and is used as a title of Jesus himself in several early Christian hymns. The morning hymn Lucis largitor splendide of Hilary contains the line: "Tu verus mundi lucifer" (you are the true light bringer of the world).[54] Some interpreted the mention of the morning star (lucifer) in Ambrose's hymn Aeterne rerum conditor as referring allegorically to Jesus and the mention of the XXXX, the herald of the day (praeco) in the same hymn as referring to John the Baptist.[55] Likewise, in the medieval hymn Christe qui lux es et dies, some manuscripts have the line "Lucifer lucem proferens".[56]

The Latin word lucifer is also used of Jesus in the Easter Proclamation prayer to God regarding the paschal candle: Flammas eius lucifer matutinus inveniat: ille, inquam, lucifer, qui nescit occasum. Christus Filius tuus, qui, regressus ab inferis, humano generi serenus illuxit, et vivit et regnat in saecula saeculorum ("May this flame be found still burning by the Morning Star: the one Morning Star who never sets, Christ your Son, who, coming back from death's domain, has shed his peaceful light on humanity, and lives and reigns for ever and ever"). In the works of Latin grammarians, Lucifer, like Daniel, was discussed as an example of a personal name.[57]

In the Second Temple period literature the main possible reference is found in 2 Enoch, also known as Slavonic Enoch: 2 Enoch 29:3 Here Satanail was hurled from the height together with his angels. However the editor of the standard modern edition (Charlesworth, Old Testament Pseudepigrapha Vol.1) pipelines[clarification needed] the verse as a probable later Christian interpolation on the grounds that "Christian explanations of the origin of evil linked Lk 10:18 with Isa 14 and eventually Gen. 3 so vs 4 could be a Christian interpolation... Jewish theology concentrated on Gen 6., and this is prominent in the Enoch cycle as in other apocalypses." Furthermore, the name used in 2 Enoch, Satanail, is not directly related to the Isaiah 14 text, and the surrounding imagery of fire suggests Ezekiel 28:17–18.[58]

Other instances of lucifer in the Old Testament pseudepigrapha are related to the "star" Venus, in the Sibylline Oracles battle of the constellations (line 517) "Lucifer fought mounted on the back of Leo",[59] or the entirely rewritten Christian version of the Greek Apocalypse of Ezra 4:32 which has a reference to Lucifer as Antichrist.[60] An association of Isaiah 14:12–18 with a personification of evil, called the devil developed outside of mainstream Rabbinic Judaism in pseudepigrapha and Christian writings,[61] particularly with the apocalypses.[62] Especially Isaiah 14:12, became a dominant conception of a fallen angel motif[63] in 1 Enoch 86-90 and 2 Enoch 29:3–4.[clarification needed] Rabbinical Judaism rejected any belief in rebel or fallen angels.[64] In the 11th century, the Pirqe de-Rabbi Eliezer illustrates the origin of the "fallen angel myth" by giving two accounts, one relates to the angel in the Garden of Eden who seduces Eve, and the other relates to the angels, the benei elohim who cohabit with the daughters of man (Genesis 6:1–4).[65]

Christian writers applied the words of Isaiah 14:12 to Satan. Sigve K Tonstad argues that the New Testament War in Heaven theme of Revelation 12:7-9, in which the dragon "who is called the devil and Satan … was thrown down to the earth", derives from the passage in Isaiah 14.[66] Origen (184/185 – 253/254) interpreted such Old Testament passages as being about manifestations of the Devil; but of course, writing in Greek, not Latin, he did not identify the devil with the name "Lucifer".[67][68][69][70] Tertullian (c. 160 – c. 225), who wrote in Latin, also understood Isaiah 14:14 ("I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High") as spoken by the Devil,[71] but "Lucifer" is not among the numerous names and phrases he used to describe the devil.[72] Even at the time of the Latin writer Augustine of Hippo (354–430), "Lucifer" had not yet become a common name for the Devil.[67] Some time later, the metaphor of the morning star that Isaiah 14:12 applied to a king of Babylon gave rise to the general use of the Latin word for "morning star", capitalized, as the original name of the devil before his fall from grace, linking Isaiah 14:12 with Luke 10:18 ("I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven") and interpreting the passage in Isaiah as an allegory of Satan's fall from heaven.[73][74]

However, the understanding of the morning star in Isaiah 14:12 as a metaphor referring to a king of Babylon continued also to exist among Christians. Theodoret of Cyrus (c. 393 – c. 457) wrote that Isaiah calls the king "morning star", not as being the star, but as having had the illusion of being it.[75] The same understanding is shown in Christian translations of the passage, which in English generally use "morning star" rather than treating the word as a proper name, "Lucifer". So too in other languages, such as French,[76] German,[77] Portuguese,[78] and Spanish.[79] Even the Vulgate text in Latin is printed with lower-case lucifer (morning star), not upper-case Lucifer (proper name).[18] Calvin said: "The exposition of this passage, which some have given, as if it referred to Satan, has arisen from ignorance: for the context plainly shows these statements must be understood in reference to the king of the Babylonians."[80] Luther also considered it a gross error to refer this verse to the devil.[81] Gustave Doré, illustration to Paradise Lost, book IX, 179–187: "... he [Satan] held on /His midnight search, where soonest he might finde /The Serpent: him fast sleeping soon he found ..."

Adherents of the King James Only movement and others who hold that Isaiah 14:12 does indeed refer to the devil have decried the modern translations.[82][83][84] Treating "Lucifer" as a name for the devil or Satan, they may use that name when speaking of such accounts of the devil or Satan as the following:

Satan inciting David to number Israel (1 Chronicles 21:1), though in 2 Samuel 24:1 it is stated that God caused David to take census of Israel, possibly pointing to a deeply rooted Gnostic belief in which the archons ascribed to Satan and Jehovah are merely archons—a dualist expression of the Monad's will, and part of the demiurge. Job tested by Satan (Book of Job) Satan ready to accuse the high priest Joshua (Zechariah 3:1–2) Sin brought into the world through the devil's envy (Wisdom 2:24) "The prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience" (Ephesians 2:2) "The god of this world" (2 Corinthians 4:4). The devil disputing with Michael about the body of Moses (Jude 1:9) The dragon of the Book of Revelation "who is called the devil and Satan" (Revelation 12:9;20:2)

They may also use the name Lucifer when speaking of Satan's motive for rebelling and of the nature of his sin, which, without using the name Lucifer, Origen, Chrysostom, Jerome, Ambrose, and Augustine attributed to the devil's pride, and Irenaeus, Tertullian, Justin Martyr, Cyprian, and again Augustine attributed to the devil's envy of humanity created in the image of God.[85][86][87] Jealousy of humans, created in the divine image and given authority over the world is the motive that a modern writer, who denies that there is any such person as Lucifer, says that Tertullian attributed to the devil,[88] and, while he cited Tertullian and Augustine as giving envy as the motive for the fall, an 18th-century French Capuchin preacher himself described the rebel angel as jealous of Adam's exaltation, which he saw as a diminution of his own status.[87]

In Islam the Devil is known as Iblīs (Arabic: إبليس‎‎, plural: ابالسة abālisah) or Shaytān (Arabic: شيطان‎‎, plural: شياطين shayātīn). Iblis is banished from heaven for refusing to prostrate himself before Adam, which is similar to the earlier 3 Enoch, chapter 4, in which all of the angels prostrate themselves before Enoch, an early descendant of Adam. Thus, he sins after the creation of man. He asks God for a respite until judgment day rather than being consigned to the fire of hell immediately. God grants this request, and Iblis then swears revenge by tempting human beings and turning them away from God. God tells him that any humans who follow him will join him in the fire of hell at judgment day, but that Iblis will have no power over all mankind except who wants to follow Iblis.[citation needed] This story is cited multiple times in the Qur'an for different reasons.

Islamic literature presents Iblis as God worshipping and very pious until he refused to prostrate to Adam due to his jealousy and pride.[89][90] Iblis is also considered to a type of supernatural being known as the Jinn, instead of an angel, who were made out of smokeless fire and created before humankind.[91][92][93][94]

Rudolf Steiner's writings, which formed the basis for Anthroposophy, characterised Lucifer as a spiritual opposite to Ahriman, with Christ between the two forces, mediating a balanced path for humanity. Lucifer represents an intellectual, imaginative, delusional, otherworldly force which might be associated with visions, subjectivity, psychosis and fantasy. He associated Lucifer with the religious/philosophical cultures of Egypt, Rome and Greece. Steiner believed that Lucifer, as a supersensible Being, had incarnated in China about 3000 years before the birth of Christ.

Luciferianism is a belief system that venerates the essential characteristics that are affixed to Lucifer. The tradition, influenced by Gnosticism, usually reveres Lucifer not as the devil, but as a liberator, a guardian or guiding spirit[95] or even the true god as opposed to Jehovah.[96] In Anton LaVey's The Satanic Bible, Lucifer is one of the four crown princes of hell, particularly that of the East, the 'lord of the air', and is called the bringer of light, the morning star, intellectualism, and enlightenment.[97] The title 'lord of the air' is based upon Ephesians 2:2, which uses the phrase 'prince of the power of the air' to refer to the pagan god Zeus, but that phrase later became conflated with Satan. Author Michael W. Ford has written on Lucifer as a "mask" of the adversary, a motivator and illuminating force of the mind and subconscious.[98]

Léo Taxil (1854–1907) claimed that Freemasonry is associated with worshipping Lucifer. In what is known as the Taxil hoax, he alleged that leading Freemason Albert Pike had addressed "The 23 Supreme Confederated Councils of the world" (an invention of Taxil), instructing them that Lucifer was God, and was in opposition to the evil god Adonai. Supporters of Freemasonry contend that, when Albert Pike and other Masonic scholars spoke about the "Luciferian path," or the "energies of Lucifer," they were referring to the Morning Star, the light bearer,[99] the search for light; the very antithesis of dark, satanic evil. Taxil promoted a book by Diana Vaughan (actually written by himself, as he later confessed publicly)[100] that purported to reveal a highly secret ruling body called the Palladium, which controlled the organization and had a satanic agenda. As described by Freemasonry Disclosed in 1897:

With frightening cynicism, the miserable person we shall not name here [Taxil] declared before an assembly especially convened for him that for twelve years he had prepared and carried out to the end the most sacrilegious of hoaxes. We have always been careful to publish special articles concerning Palladism and Diana Vaughan. We are now giving in this issue a complete list of these articles, which can now be considered as not having existed.[101] Taxil's work and Pike's address continue to be quoted by anti-masonic groups.[102] In Devil-Worship in France, Arthur Edward Waite compared Taxil's work to what today we would call a tabloid story, replete with logical and factual inconsistencies.

See also

Ahura Mazda
Angra Mainyu
Asura
Devil
Phosphorus (morning star)
Devil in popular culture
Doctor Faustus (play)
Earendel
Eosphoros
Guardian of the Threshold
Inferno (Dante), the first of the three canticas of Divine Comedy
Luceafărul (poem), a poem by the poet Mihai Eminescu
Luceafărul, a literary magazine
Luciferianism
The Lucifer Effect
Satan
Shahar
Venus (astrology)
Venus (mythology)
2010 (film)

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Further reading[edit]
Charlesworth, edited by James H. (2010). The Old Testament pseudepigrapha. Peabody, Mass.: Hendrickson. ISBN 1-59856-491-9.
TBD; Elwell, Walter A.; Comfort, Philip W. (2001). Walter A. Elwell; Philip Wesley Comfort, eds. Tyndale Bible Dictionary, Dayspring, Daystar. Wheaton, Ill.: Tyndale House Publishers. p. 363. ISBN 0842370897.
Campbell, Joseph (1972). Myths To Live By (Repr. 2nd ed.). [London]: Souvenir Press. ISBN 0-285-64731-8.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/vul/isa014.htm

RedEzra wrote:

"Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said to Him, 'All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. Therefore, if You will worship before me, all will be Yours.'" And Jesus answered and said to him, 'Get behind Me, Satan! For it is written, You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.'" - Luke 4:5-8

The devil satan lucifer and whatever that fallen angel chooses to call himself has authority over the kingdoms of this fallen world ! And if you want worldly power and prestige or become rich and famous then you have to serve the devil satan lucifer or whatever that angel calls himself. But he is running out of time...

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Carol wrote: There are days that I worry about you two. This thread is one of them.

Carol, could you be more specific?? I'm pretty neutral regarding this website, the forum-members, and the controversial-information, but I remain horribly miserable and hamstrung, yet I don't take my dissatisfaction with life out on anyone (in particular)!! It's difficult to say or do anything right (regarding life, the universe, and everything) when all one seems to have to work-with are Conflicting-Delusions!! Silence is Golden!! Let Others Stick Their Necks Out (Only to Have Their Heads Chopped-Off)!!

French Suicide!!






"Paper or Plastic??

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Aquaries1111 wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Carol wrote:

A dying British Intelligence agent has made a series of stunning confessions
after being told that he only has a matter of weeks to live by doctors, including that he was tasked
with the murder of Princess Diana.
http://www.neonnettle.com/news/2293-dying-mi5-agent-admits-to-killing-princess-diana-in-deathbed-confession

80-year-old John Hopkins is a retired Mi5 operative who worked as a hitman for UK Government and claims to have carried out 23 assassinations between 1973 and 1999.Hopkins was a 38-year veteran and claims that his job often involved discretely assassinating individuals who "posed a threat to national security".During his time serving the United Kingdom, he trained extensively as a mechanical engineer and munitions expert and claims to be "seasoned" in unconventional murders involving poisons and chemicals.The retired British assassin says he worked as part of a cell of seven operatives who were trusted to conduct political assassinations during a period he describes as "when MI5 operated with less external oversight".  

Many of his top secret cell's victims were politicians, journalists, activists, and union leaders. Mr. Hopkins claims that Princess Diana was the only women he ever killed, adding that; adding that; "She was the only target where the order came directly from the Royal family."

When asked about how he felt about taking the life of The People's Princess, he said he felt "ambivalent" about her death, describing her as "a beautiful, kind-hearted women" who had her life cut tragically short but that "she was also placing the British Crown at risk", saying: "The Royal Family had evidence that she was planning to divorce Charles." "She knew too many Royal secrets. She had a huge grudge and she was going to go public with all sorts of wild claims." "My boss told me she had to die – he’d received orders directly from Prince Philip – and we had to make it look like an accident."

"I’d never killed a woman before, much less a princess, but I obeyed orders. I did it for Queen and country." He claims the operation was run under strict control from Buckingham Palace in direct cooperation with the mainstream media.The high-level conspiracy involved collusion between the media and Palace to "square their stories, make sure everybody was on the same page. It was a well-run operation.

"Speaking about the conspirators in the operation, Hopkins said: "British journalists all answer to editors who answer to oligarchs who all want knighthoods from the crime family at Buckingham Palace." "There is no free press in Britain," "We got away with murder." After being told that he only has a short time left to live from his doctors, Hopkins said he will spend his final weeks at home, but admitted that he expects to be arrested after his admissions, or even silenced, saying: "I can’t say that I care an awful lot." "If they try to take me out, they'll be doing me a favor now" He explained that he would be "long-gone" should an investigation be opened as it would "take forever" and be "very complicated" due to the limited records on the operations, adding that "most of my colleagues are already dead".

Hopkins claims that the main conspirator in the murder of Princess Diana was Prince Philip, but said that he "will never be charged with anything, of course". “If Prince Philip ever let himself be analyzed by a psychiatrist I’m sure he’d be diagnosed a psychopath. He has all the dark triad traits.” Should this case ever be investigated, the most important witness would be Mr. Hopkins boss who apparently died of a heart attack in "the early 2000s".When Hopkins was asked why he didn’t expose the plot earlier or refuse the job at the time, he explained: "MI5 agents swear allegiance to the Crown," "We can’t be impartial when it comes to the Royal family." "At best I would have been done for treason, at worst Philip would have designed a grisly fate for me."

Pris wrote:

Swanny wrote:

Pris wrote:

It's interesting how the delusional are so able to convince themselves they are not delusional. To be clear, I do not believe in 'God' so I do not think I'm 'God'.  Clear?  Glad I could clear that up if you are inferring your comment to someone like me.  I don't want anyone thinking I think I'm 'God'.  Am I the center, the creator of my universe/multiverse?  Sure. In case you missed the memo, Red, your 'God' isn't/wasn't nice.

I do not believe in gods either. I am part of source energy. Everything is energy, we can manipulate energy. I too am the creator of my universe/multiverse. We all are. The trouble is people don't have the strength to admit they are causing all the good and bad XXXX in their lives so they need something to give credit to or blame it on and therefore use the idea of a god or a devil. Maybe one day people will realise just how powerful they are but I doubt it. Of course the religions of the world know this and do everything in their power to stop it from happening, that's why they created the idea of hell etc. Religions are just wrong

Yes, Swanny!  This is exactly what I think, too. And, this is why I'm trying to get my butt out of here.  As Joe pointed out, there's an elephant in the room that someone of a crimson nature refuses to see (and actually thinks some of us are government trolls lol).

Rhetorical question:
Why would bonafide government trolls try to obfuscate a 'pro' bible thread when government and religion work hand in hand to enslave the mind and steal the bodies and the souls of the people?  
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JoeEcho wrote:I never understood, ultimately, why any spiritual text is defended as if it was one with God. It's as if the spiritual text BECOMES God. Now THAT is false witness IMO. Another analogy: Treating spiritual text (in this case the Bible) so reverently/ unquestionably is like treating the Jesus like he is still nailed to the cross.

If I was God I would want the people to question ANY text attributed to me. I'd be pleased with the people questioning my very existence, it would be irresponsible for them not to. If God would strike someone dead or send them to eternal punishment for not believing in them or their message then they are not that. A song by Joshua Kadison has something pretty cool things to say about religion:

Believe what you want to, believe what you can,
'cause all I ever really learned from this life of mine...
Love's the only thing worth a damn.
So take it or leave it, deny or receive it,
'cause maybe it was never really ours to understand."
And that right there's the gospel according to my ol' man.

Linger on the path as long as you wish, I am simply here to tell you that it does not end where we've lingered.

orthodoxymoron wrote:

What if we are dealing with Bad@$$
Kings and Queens of Solar Systems Incorporated,
who answer only to the Almighty-Dollar???

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Even if the Old-Testament is Nasty and Unethical, it features Bad@$$ Warriors (Including God)!!
What if there really are In-Between Bad@$$ Gods, who are Mighty (but NOT Almighty)??
"RA" Said "We're Ancient!!" and "You and I Have Fought Side By Side!!"

Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:What if we are dealing with Bad@$$ Kings and Queens of Solar Systems Incorporated, who answer only to the Almighty-Dollar???

What if, Oxy?  What if?  So what.  It's just the usual paranoid fear porn coming from you (I see you're bringing out the same-old arsenal in the usual milelong spam post). None of that can undermine what Joe just shared. Hey, why not embrace the concept of love and self-empowerment for once?  It wouldn't hurt.

Amen, Joe!  Amen.        
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Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Even if the Old-Testament is Nasty and Unethical, it features Bad@$$ Warriors (Including God)!!
What if there really are In-Between Bad@$$ Gods, who are Mighty (but NOT Almighty)??

Did you miss this?  Selective reading?

Pris wrote:What if, Oxy?  What if?  So what.  

You know, Oxy...  People used to seriously worship the sun and the moon.  Some still do.  These 'Gods'... prove to me they are not spin-offs of sun and the moon worship first.  Then, maybe, we'll have something to talk about.
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orthodoxymoron wrote:

JoeEcho wrote:It cracks be up when people get tripped up with 'ifs'. In an iffy world, what's the Dif? What? You think your form of communication isn't any more iffy just because the word 'if' isn't used? How is that mirror of yours working out for you? Tells you what you want to hear, doesn't it? Thanks for the chuckles.....

Pris wrote:

JoeEcho wrote:

Pris wrote:
Lol well said, Joe!  I think a hierarchy in and of itself is absurd, but that can wait for another day.
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Certainly but it's not off topic for, as the story goes, there is a hierarchy between Jesus and Satan. Classic divide and conquer routine for control of the masses. And that is just part of the rabbit hole. P.s. Bring plenty of carrots!

Right.  I was meaning hierarchy as in so-called 'authority' from government (let alone religion).

Yes... the so-called hierarchy between 'Jesus' and 'Satan'...  as perceived by some...  




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I don't want to put this in Red's 'Bible' thread and figured this would be a good place to post it.

When it comes to the bible...  taken literally, here's an amusing (dark) take on it.  'God' isn't exactly nice.

This is NOT to be taken literal (that's the whole point).  It's still funny/sick regardless.

NOTE:  the number 42 is a significant number (that is used repeatedly in stories) that probably has more to do with the number of weeks for the gestation period of the human fetus (multiples of seven, the days of the week etc.) than anything else (not, for example, 42 actual kids that get torn to bits by two actual bears -- that's allegory).

Also, I'm entirely against the use of inorganic rock salt as a seasoning.  If you want to age yourself beyond recognition and kill yourself slowly (or quickly as the case may be), go ahead and eat it.  Turn yourself into a pillar of salt.

12 Craziest, Most Awful Things God Did in the Old Testament
God was a bit of a hellraiser before Jesus softened him up.
By Rob Bricken

1) Sending Bears to Murder Children

So a guy named Eliseus was traveling to Bethel when a bunch of kids popped up and made fun of him for being bald. That had to suck, and you can't blame Eliseus for being pissed and cursing them to God. But God had Eliseus' back, by which I mean he sent two bears to maul 42 of these kids to death. For making fun of a bald dude. I have to think Eliseus was looking for something along the lines of a spanking, or maybe the poetic justice of having the kids go bald, but nope, God went straight for the bear murder. But on the plus side, that pile of 40+ children's corpses never made fun of anybody again. (4 Kings 2:23-24)

2) Turning Lot's Wife to Salt

Most folks know about the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, two cities of sin God decided to kill everyone in instead of, you know, making them not full of sin. But this was a town that, when two angels were staying at Lot's place, gathered en masse and asked if they could rape them. I repeat: They wanted to rape angels. So they kind of had their destruction coming. Lot and his family were sent from the city before things went down, and Lot's wife looked back, and God turned her into a pillar of salt. It's generally understood that Lot's wife was looking back in a wistful kind of way at her angel-raping hometown, but the fact is there's nothing in the Bible to suggest this. Nor was Lot's family warned about looking back. Maybe Lot's wife wanted to see Sodom and Gomorrah get what was coming to it. Maybe she was thinking wistfully of the things she had to leave behind. Maybe she wondered if she had left the oven on. We'll never know, because God turned her into seasoning for breaking a rule she didn't know existed. (Genesis 19:26)

3) Hating Ugly People

In what should be good news for intolerant religious conservatives, God really does hate people who are different from the norm. Of course, God isn't as worried about skin color or sexual orientation as he is about whether you're ugly or not. Because if you're ugly, you can just go worship some other god, okay? (Even though God will punish you if you do and also they don't exist.) Here's the people God does not want coming into his churches: People with blemishes, blind people, the lame, those with flat noses, dwarves, people with scurvy, people with bad eyes, people with bad skin, and those that "hath their stones broken." Given that God is technically responsible for giving people all of these afflictions in the first place, this is an enormous dick move. (Leviticus 21:17-24)

4) Trying to Kill Moses

In terms of people who God likes, you'd think Moses would be pretty high up on the list, right? I mean, God appointed him to lead the Jews out of Egypt, parted the Red Sea for him, and even picked him to receive the 10 Commandments, right? Yet this didn't stop God from trying to kill Moses when he ran into him at "a lodging place." There is literally no explanation given in the Bible for God's decision to murder one of his chief supporters. The line is "At a lodging place on the way, the Lord met Moses and was about to kill him." The only sensible explanation for this is that God was drunk out of his mind and looking for a bar fight, and you better hope that's correct because the alternative is that God's a psychopath. How was God stopped from murdering his #1 fan? "But [Moses' wife] Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son's foreskin and touched Moses' feet with it ... So the Lord let him alone." Either the sight of a very unexpected circumcision sobered God up quickly, or he didn't want to touch a dude who just touched a severed foreskin. Still, it's Moses' son who's the real victim here. (Exodus 4:24-26)

5) Committing So Much Genocide

God has killed so many people, you guys. Okay, I mean technically, God has killed everyone if you subscribe to Judeo-Christian thought, but I'm not talking about indirect methods, I'm talking about God murdering countless people in horrible ways simply because he's pissed off. God drowning every single person on the planet besides Noah and his family is pretty well known, but he also helped the Israelites murder everyone in Jericho, Heshbon, Bashan and many more, usually killing women, children and animals at the same time. Hell, God once helped some Israelites kill 500,000 other Israelites. God's crazy.

6) Ordering His Underlings to Kill Their Own Children

God is obviously good at big picture dickishness, but he also took the time to be a dick on a more personal level. Abraham was another devout man God decided to f*** with, apparently because he knew he could. God ordered him to sacrifice his son to God (God was a fan of human sacrifice at the time). We know Abraham loved his son, so he was probably kind of upset with this, but hey, God's God. So Abraham tricked his unsuspecting son up a mountain onto a sacrificial altar and prepared to murder him. This story actually has a happy ending, in that right before Abraham drove a knife into his son's throat, God yelled "Psych!" and told him it was only a test. And then Abraham received some blessings after that for being willing to kill his own child at God's whim. And all it took was the dread of being forced to kill his own child on behalf of his angry deity and, presumably, a sh**-ton of awkward family dinners for the rest of his life. Abraham got off better than Jephthah, who had to follow through with murdering his daughter (burning her alive, specifically) in order to get on God's good side before battling the Ammonites. (Genesis 22:1-12)

7) Killing Egyptian Babies

Let's be completely up front: The Egyptians and the Jews did not get along. According to the Bible, the Egyptians enslaved the Jews, but the Jews had God on their side, if you kind of ignore God letting his people be enslaved in the first place. Rather getting his worshippers the hell out of there, God wanted to show those damned Egyptians what for, releasing 10 plagues that began with turning the river Nile into pure blood, and ending with the slaughter of the first-born of every single Egyptian man and animal. Now, I suppose it's possible that some, or even most of these first-borns were adults who were shitty to the Israelites. But some of them were babies who didn't even have the time to persecute the Jews yet. And what the hell did the animals do to the Jews to get caught up in this nightmare? You realize there were cats in Egypt, right? Cats who had first-borns? God killed kittens. (Numbers 16:41-49)

8 ) Killing a Dude for Not Making More Babies

So you're a dude named Onan and you have a brother named Er. God does not care for Er, and kills him. Standard God operating procedure. Then things gets weird. Onan's dad orders Onan to have sex with Er's wife — not marry, by the way, just have sex with. This is actually pretty awkward for Onan, sleeping with his sister-in-law, and rather than give her any more kids (she had two with Er already) he pulls out. God is so infuriated that Onan did not f*** his sister-in-law to completion that he kills him, too. Now, you could argue that God demands that intercourse be used specifically for procreation, but given how much God loves killing babies and children, I don't think his motives here are exceptionally pure. (Genesis 38:1-10)

9) Helping Samson Murder People to Pay Off a Bet

More evidence that God is possibly a low-level mobster: When his pal Samson got married, he was given 30 friends, and he posed them (a completely insane) riddle. Then he made a bet that if they could solve it in a week, Samson would give them all new clothes, but if they couldn't they would give Samson 30 pairs of new clothes. Well, Samson's wife wheedled the answer out of him and then told these dudes, at which point an angry Samson had to pay up. And here's where God comes in — literally, into Samson, giving him the power to murder 30 random people for their clothes. Only a true friend would help you commit mass murder to settle a completely stupid bet. (Judges 14:1-19)

10) Trying to Wrestle a Guy, Cheating, and Still Losing

And here's more evidence that God is a drunk maniac: Jacob was traveling with his two wives, his 11 kids, and all his earthly possessions and had sent them across a river. At that moment, a guy essentially leapt out of the bushes and started wrestling. It's God! They wrestle all night, and God cannot beat Jacob, so he uses his magic God powers to wrench Jacob's hip out of its socket. But Jacob still won't let him out of a headlock until God blesses him, because Jacob has figured out who this bizarre man is. God blesses him and wanders off, presumably to go get in a bar fight somewhere. (Genesis 32: 22-31)

11) Killing People for Complaining About God Killing Them

To be fair, after God freed the Israelites from Egyptian slavery, they were extraordinarily bitchy about not instantly being in a land of milk and honey. It got so bad that God was ready to kill all of them and let Moses start the Jews over, although Moses managed to talk him out of it. But one of their more sensible complaints was that Moses was lording himself over the rest of them, which was probably true, seeing as God had given him the 10 Commandments and all that. So Moses summoned the three tribal elders who had made the complaint to a Monday morning staff meeting, but two of them didn't come. Neither Moses nor God cared for that, and God opened up the grounds beneath their people's tents, killing both tribes (God also set fire to 250 Israelite princes who'd made the same complaint). Having been well admonished that Moses was putting himself above the rest of the people with God's permission, a number of surviving Israelites were kind of pissed that Moses and God had killed so many of their fellow people to prove a point. God responded by killing another 14,700 of them with a plague. The complaints stopped. (Numbers 16:1-49)

12) Everything He Did to Job

Oh, Job. Other than a sh**-ton of babies, no one had it worse in the Bible than Job, who was a righteous, good-hearted man who believed in God with every fiber in his being — which is when God decides to see how miserable he can make this dude before he gets upset. Note: This is a result of a bet between God and Satan. Also note: The bet is God's idea. He's literally just hanging out with Satan — which is kinda weird when you think about it — when he started bragging about how awesome Job is. Satan points out that Job's pretty blessed — he's rich, he's got a lot of kids, etc., and he probably wouldn't be quite so thrilled with God if he didn't have that stuff. God downs his bourbon, presumably, and tells Satan he can mess with Job all he wants. Satan does. He kills all of Job's children and animals, burns down his house, destroys his wealth, and then covers him in boils. Job doesn't curse God, but he does wish he'd never been born (literally) and begs God to kill him, but no dice. This lasts a long time until finally Job wonders why a just God would be so cruel. This is when God pops up and basically tells him, "Shut up, I don't have to explain anything to you." Job, having finally done something wrong, pleads for mercy, and God eventually gives him back animals and children — new ones, because the old ones are still dead. Because of a bet. That God made with Satan. For kicks. (Job 1)

For the entire article including intro:
►http://www.alternet.org/12-craziest-most-awful-things-god-did-old-testament
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Oh, hi Red.  Don't mind me, I just want to finish something off here with Oxy.

Oxy, you'd have very little to post if it wasn't for 'The Magic of Hollywood'...

Do you remember this from part of a conversation we had awhile back?  It had to do with altered states, predictive programming and hyperreality.

Pris wrote:At the moment, there are no aliens, ETs, angels or 'celebrities' chatting with me telling me 'how it is' because I'm not interested in conjuring them up.  It seems very much that 'I get what I expect'.  Personally, I think our dreams are reflective... and in direct relation/contact with our individually perceived experiential reality/realities.  

►http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t8725p25-david-bowie-alan-rickman-death-hoax-100-staged#120419

Pris wrote:This brings me back to the interesting topic of ‘predictive programming’.  I mentioned this video in another thread the other day and felt it was high time I shared it here because of everything we’ve been touching on. Question everything that you think.  What isn’t 'predictive programming'?

►http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t8725p25-david-bowie-alan-rickman-death-hoax-100-staged#120420

Pris wrote:hyperreality

  n.
   The state or condition of being hyperreal.
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   The inability of consciousness to distinguish reality from fantasy, especially in technologically advanced postmodern cultures.
   n.
   Hyperrealism.

More at Wordnik

Robbie Graham - UFOs, Hyperreality, and the
Disclosure Myth - Copenhagen 2014


NOTE: Video is in English after brief intro.

►http://silverscreensaucers.uk/

►http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t8725p25-david-bowie-alan-rickman-death-hoax-100-staged#120476
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RedEzra wrote:We get our ideas and information primarily from the current culture we live in. Sometimes soft through mass media and education centers and sometimes hard through ideological revolutions and reeducation camps. Either way the states decide what we will believe and when we don't go along with the program then we are marginalized or put in prison or go to the grave. So in such hostile environments where states are not interested in sharing facts and truths about reality then it is almost impossible for someone to find them.

We are all raised by the state we live in and take on an identity programmed by the state. That is why people are usually muslims in muslim nations and commies in commie lands and catholics in catholic countries and so on and so forth. Those who are leaders of nations decide what the rest ought to think act and do.

It is very hard to break free from an identity which have been with us since we were born but should one succeed then some advanced states also have state agents with alternative ideas and information for us. And i see most people on forums are stuck in one of those state sponsored alternative camps.

For instance before internet eastern mysticism was invited into the west with mystic ideas injected into a culture which was predominantly christian. And that is why we got this huge new age mess today. Do you think this would be allowed by the states if they did not direct it ? And what about all the mosques in the west sprouting up like mushrooms... do you think the states are not in control of this ?

If one is interested in truth and not just what resonates then one has to get back to basics. How did the universe come into being ? Seeing there are some governing principles to the universe found and formulated into scientific laws like the law of conservation of energy and the second law of thermodynamics then one ought to know for a fact that the universe did not come into being by itself. And that is why all great scientists just a few decades ago understood that God is proved by the universe itself. There is a Being with creative capabilities and intelligence who somehow formed the universe with energy matter and order from the beginning.

But who is this Being ? This is absolutely awfully amazing that a Being is capable to form a universe and fill it with life. For instance i would not sit here and type this if not for that Being forming the universe and everything in it. In fact we all owe our lives to this Being.

Who art Thou ?

I Am He who is declaring the end from the beginning
and from ancient times things which have not yet been done
saying My purpose will be established
and I will accomplish all My good pleasure.

When Jesus said I Am He they fell to the ground.

orthodoxymoron wrote:I've never denied being a 'Completely Ignorant Fool' (since Raven called me that, several years ago)!! I've had a lot of fun with it!! 'RA' told me 'You Did It With YouTube!!" I rely heavily upon Videos and Images. My threads are mostly the work of others. That's the way it should be. My father kept the stars 'cool' in a major television studio, and I spent many Sundays in a celebrity's mansion, while I was growing up, but I don't think I appreciated it. My mom also worked in Hollywood, and had contact with a lot of celebrities. I attended a church on Hollywood Blvd. I briefly attended a Bible-Class with a major-director's stepmother in attendance. So, this might explain my strongly leaning upon Hollywood for my Pseudo-Intellectual Religious and Political Science-Fiction. I try to 'Keep It Real' but I like to have fun sometimes!! I like to mess with you guys and gals!! I like to %&@#$#% with the Artificial-Intelligence!! What do you call 'Brunette Hair-Coloring for a Blond'?? 'Artificial-Intelligence'!! On a more Sirius-Note, I recently encountered a tall, muscular, young-man with a Hebrew-Tattoo, and an Angelic-Themed T-Shirt. He was 'very-quick' and 'to the point'. It made me wonder. It really made me wonder. I sure wouldn't want to be on the 'Wrong-Side' of that guy!! But what if my highly-experimental threads are taken way too seriously in the 'Heavenly-Realms'?? I've simply attempted to 'Meet People and Other-Than-People' where they are, but perhaps this has been a grave-mistake with eternal-consequences. Time will tell, as it always does...

JoeEcho wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:I try to 'Keep It Real' but I like to have fun sometimes!! I like to mess with you guys and gals!! I like to %&@#$#% with the Artificial-Intelligence!!

In case you didn't catch that orthodoxymoron, AI can to appear to act against itself to appear legitimate.

AI, you tricky bastard!

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Group I:

Genesis through Esther.
Matthew through Acts.
The Book of Revelation.

Group II:

Job through Malachi.
Romans through Jude.

What's going on here??

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So happy you dropped in, Oxy.

I think you may have said it best here:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Interesting Posts!! The Internet is sort of 'Law Without Law' and 'Order Out of Chaos'!! It is somewhat Self-Governing!! Is this Fallen and Sinful Human-Nature at Work?? I continue to think that Law and Law-Enforcement are two of the most important topics imaginable!! You'd probably have to be me (or read through all of my threads) to understand the scope of my concern. People wish to be Protected and Rescued BUT they Do NOT Wish to be Told What to Do!! BTW -- Sometimes I think RA = Lucifer = Ancient Egyptian Deity = An Unnamed Angel.  Did I talk to the Real-Deal (and drive them to Starbucks) OR was some alphabet-agency playing games with me?? I'm honestly trying to stop posting. This stuff is taking too many years off my miserable life!!

►http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t7243p475-bible#129575

Then, you added all this:

orthodoxymoron wrote:I frankly don't trust anyone or anything when it comes to Antiquity, Futurity, the Otherworldly, and the Supernatural. How Do We REALLY KNOW?? Lies and Stories can be written and repeated. People lie all the time. I've been reduced to treating most of this stuff as Science-Fiction which might contain some elements of truth. When I asked an Individual of Interest who they REALLY WERE, I thought I heard them whisper "Lucifer" but I didn't ask follow-up questions. Perhaps I should've. What if Sun-Gods in this universe MUST be a combination of Good and Evil, especially if this universe is One HUGE Star-War?? What if Sun-Gods can easily transition back and forth between Good and Evil?? I am extremely apprehensive regarding the Nature of God and the Universe. When I asked an Individual of Interest about the true state of affairs regarding this Solar System and Beyond, they said "You Don't Want to Know." The Bible is virtually Silent regarding "Lucifer". This is shocking, especially regarding how much Christianity depends on Lucifer and/or the Devil to take the blame for the Ills of the World. In the Bible, God often seems to be Unethical and Violent. What if most everyone and everything are bad (throughout the universe)?? I asked "RA" about how good or bad humanity was, and he replied "Everyone is Bad." I asked him "How Good is Too Good??" He didn't have an answer. "RA" was a "Sinister CEO" Kind of Guy!!

I kept thinking and privately muttering "Everyone Hates Me!!" One night, "RA" said "You think everyone hates you, but they REALLY Hate ME!!" What if Supercomputers Will Replace Sun-Gods Throughout the Universe?? What if Good Sun-Gods Quickly Become Bad Sun-Gods?? Does Absolute-Power ALWAYS Corrupt Absolutely?? "RA" said "You Will Manifest Your Bad-Side." What if "Lucifer" = "Sun-God" as a "Job-Title" rather than a "Proper-Name"?? I suspect that "Lucifer" has Multiple-Personalities and Multiple-Bodies. I think I've sensed and seen evidence of this. Honest. I don't lie about this stuff. I might "get it wrong" or "slightly-exaggerate" but I don't "practice to deceive". Finally, I recommend reading The Lucifer Diary by Attorney Lewis Walton. I've been present at several of his lectures, and I've spoken with him privately. Once, a very-long time ago, he told me that if Jesus showed-up (presumably prior to the Second-Coming of Christ) the church wouldn't know what to do with Him!! His book is very different than his other books, and somehow, I can't imagine Lewis actually writing this "Lucifer" book. It scared the hell out of me!! That's all I'm going to say. https://www.amazon.com/Lucifer-Diary-Lewis-R-Walton/dp/0965683427/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495645988&sr=8-1&keywords=lucifer+diary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer Lucifer (/ˈluːsɪfər/;[1][2][3] LOO-sif-ər) is the King James Version rendering of the Hebrew word הֵילֵל in Isaiah (Isaiah 14:12). The Vulgate translation uses the Latin word lucifer, but with a lower-case initial,[4] The Hebrew word, transliterated Hêlêl[5] or Heylel (pron. as HAY-lale),[6] occurs once in the Hebrew Bible[5] and according to the KJV-based Strong's Concordance means "shining one, light-bearer".[6] The Septuagint renders הֵילֵל in Greek as ἑωσφόρος[7][8][9][10][11] (heōsphoros),[12][13][14] a name, literally "bringer of dawn", for the morning star.[15] The word Lucifer is taken from the Latin Vulgate,[16] which translates הֵילֵל as lucifer,[17][18] meaning "the morning star, the planet Venus", or, as an adjective, "light-bringing".[19]

Later Christian tradition came to use the Latin word for "morning star", lucifer, as a proper name ("Lucifer") for the devil; as he was before his fall.[20] As a result, "'Lucifer' has become a by-word for Satan / the Devil in the church and in popular literature",[16] as in Dante Alighieri's Inferno, Joost van den Vondel's Lucifer and John Milton's Paradise Lost.[14] However, the Latin word never came to be used almost exclusively, as in English, in this way, and was applied to others also, including Jesus.[21] The image of a morning star fallen from the sky is generally believed among scholars to have a parallel in Canaanite mythology.[22]

However, according to both Christian[23] and Jewish exegesis, in the Book of Isaiah, chapter 14, the King of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar II, conqueror of Jerusalem, is condemned in a prophetic vision by the prophet Isaiah and is called the "Morning Star" (planet Venus).[24][25] In this chapter the Hebrew text says הֵילֵל בֶּן-שָׁחַר (Helel ben Shachar, "shining one, son of the morning").[26] "Helel ben Shahar" may refer to the Morning Star, but the text in Isaiah 14 gives no indication that Helel was a star or planet.[27][28]

Translation of הֵילֵל as "Lucifer", as in the King James Version, has been abandoned in modern English translations of Isaiah 14:12. Present-day translations have "morning star" (New International Version, New Century Version, New American Standard Bible, Good News Translation, Holman Christian Standard Bible, Contemporary English Version, Common English Bible, Complete Jewish Bible), "daystar" (New Jerusalem Bible, English Standard Version, The Message, "Day Star" New Revised Standard Version), "shining one" (New Life Version, New World Translation, JPS Tanakh) or "shining star" (New Living Translation).

The term appears in the context of an oracle against a dead king of Babylon,[29] who is addressed as הילל בן שחר (Hêlêl ben Šāḥar),[30][31] rendered by the King James Version as "O Lucifer, son of the morning!" and by others as "morning star, son of the dawn".

In a modern translation from the original Hebrew, the passage in which the phrase "Lucifer" or "morning star" occurs begins with the statement: "On the day the Lord gives you relief from your suffering and turmoil and from the harsh labour forced on you, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has come to an end! How his fury has ended!"[32] After describing the death of the king, the taunt continues:

"How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, 'I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.' But you are brought down to the realm of the dead, to the depths of the pit. Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: 'Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble, the man who made the world a wilderness, who overthrew its cities and would not let his captives go home?'"[33]

Yes.  Etc. etc. etc.....  It gets confusing, doesn't it, Oxy.  Interesting, amusing, distracting... Babylon, shall we?  Babble on.

Meanwhile...









Every day when the sun ('son') goes down, it is 'crucified' on the four cardinal points:  north, south, east, west


Sunrise... sunset...



Are we just going to ignore all this OBVIOUS stuff?  Nope.

Allegory.  Did I say allegory?  I said allegory.

Anyway, back to crosses... for interest's sake...

Where all paths cross -- material, ethereal -- the symbol (someone came up with -- like with everything else -- that we either accept or don't accept for its meaning or we make up our own symbols/words/meanings/spellings/spells... lol) for 'spirit', 'life force', 'ether':





Do we have to 'accept' any of it?  Nope.

My conclusion so far?  It's all about us:  individuated immortal spiritual creator beings living, at the moment, as individuated immortal spiritual creator beings with physical bodies on a planet flying through space lol.  Making it up as we go.  Nothing more, nothing less.  

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Pris wrote:

RedEzra wrote:
"Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said to Him, 'All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. Therefore, if You will worship before me, all will be Yours.'"

And Jesus answered and said to him, 'Get behind Me, Satan! For it is written, You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.'" - Luke 4:5-8

The devil satan lucifer and whatever that fallen angel chooses to call himself has authority over the kingdoms of this fallen world ! And if you want worldly power and prestige or become rich and famous then you have to serve the devil satan lucifer or whatever that angel calls himself. But he is running out of time...

There you are.  Hi Red!

More quotes from the Bible.  That's nice.  

What is it with this 'authority' nonsense.  No one has authority over anyone.  

Authority is a myth -- a superstitious belief (see Larken Rose for more info).  It requires people to believe in it for it to 'work'.  In my eyes, there's no difference in the way governments and religions (two sides of the same coin, working in tandem) deliberately use their 'authority' to control people.


►https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k4pXwmis7A

You might also want to check out this thread as it relates to this subject:

►http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t9311-if-there-was-no-government
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orthodoxymoron wrote:Pris, why do you think Carol is concerned about our posting?? What do you think about the following link and videos?? Where does this sort of thing lead?? Where is Earth-Humanity headed?? What do you think about Sherry Shriner?? What do you think about TREEE?? What do you think about Dana Horochowski?? Are they somehow related?? Please take these questions very-seriously. BTW, they call the Whore of Babylon that horrible name because she babbles on and on and on and on and.......  

http://www.vedicilluminations.com/downloads/Academic%20General/Billington_Ray_-_Religion_Without_God.pdf

RedEzra wrote:

Pris wrote:

Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Carol wrote: There are days that I worry about you two. This thread is one of them.

Carol, could you be more specific?? I'm pretty neutral regarding this website, the forum-members, and the controversial-information, but I remain horribly miserable and hamstrung, yet I don't take my dissatisfaction with life out on anyone (in particular)!! It's difficult to say or do anything right (regarding life, the universe, and everything) when all one seems to have to work-with are Conflicting-Delusions!! Silence is Golden!! Let Others Stick Their Necks Out (Only to Have Their Heads Chopped-Off)!!

Good one, Oxy!  (Carol, more or less, likes it when people around here - especially you -- have somebody to play with.)

You say, "It's difficult to say or do anything right (regarding life, the universe, and everything)..."  I ask you, why do you care what anyone thinks?  All that matters is what you think, don't you think?  For example, saying the 'right' thing (depending on how you define 'right') may upset a bunch of Satanists, Christians, cat lovers, whatever... or they'll want to welcome you with open arms.  Others won't even care one way or the other.  You can't make everybody happy and that's not why you're here.  Make yourself happy.

This isn't about the messenger.  If a person chooses to be offended, that's their problem, not yours.  Everyone has the right to say what they think.

Perhaps this thread is controversial?  It's not the first time this subject has been brought up:  Am I 'God'?  Are we all 'God'?  Does 'God' even exist?  Etc.

If it wasn't for all the rest of you, I probably wouldn't even have a notion of 'God' or any other 'deity'.

It's just not in my nature to bow down to anyone, and I don't want anyone bowing down to me.

The way I see it?  We are all creators.  We all are love/sound/vibration in action -- with intent.  Energy is matter, matter is energy.

Remember this scene from Star Trek: The Final Frontier?

A person seeks 'God' so intently, he literally creates 'Him' (and 'Eden') with the power of his own mind.

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There you are.  Hi Red!

More quotes from the Bible.  That's nice.  

What is it with this 'authority' nonsense.  No one has authority over anyone.  

Hi pris i'm still here and got my head on so i'm able to post : )

We can wish that we lived in a world where there were no authorities and nobody more equal than others but this is still a fantasy. And if we don't have the luxury of living in a self-sustaining bubble but are actually working in the real world then we have to respect the law of the land and the various authorities which are integral parts of what we call civilisation.

According to GOD's book the bible an angel has been given authority over the kingdoms of this world. And so nobody can hope to make it big if they do not serve that angel who is "the serpent of old who is called the devil and satan who deceives the whole world." - Revelation 12:9

So one can understand why the world is as it is when an angel fallen from GOD is pulling the strings of kings and ministers who rule the nations.

Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Pris, why do you think Carol is concerned about our posting?? What do you think about the following link and videos?? Where does this sort of thing lead?? Where is Earth-Humanity headed?? What do you think about Sherry Shriner?? What do you think about TREEE?? What do you think about Dana Horochowski?? Are they somehow related?? Please take these questions very-seriously. BTW, they call the Whore of Babylon that horrible name because she babbles on and on and on and on and.......  

The book link you attached... I don't have the time to read it but thanks.  Isn't there already 'religion without God' called Universal Unitarianism?  It's like they're trying to find a way to get everybody else who slipped through the cracks who would otherwise not be contributing to the 'little money pot'.  As a way to appeal to anyone who thinks they need some kind of 'religious community', a place to belong without having the stigma of 'God' attached?  I'm curious who is really behind it (UU)...  It is VERY inclusive (all beliefs and especially all sexual orientations -- hyper-focused) and even has a 'sex education' program set up as an 'introduction' for children...  Even their logo is suspicious - a small flame within a larger flame.  I've seen this kind of thing before to mean organized child abuse...  

The 'Unholy Trinity':  government, religion, money.

I like the teachings of Robert Morning Sky.  Maybe 'Jesus' simply started out as the sun and eventually mutated into something else -- a pretend deity for people to worship (because so many seem intent on giving their power away).  Then, some opportunist (ET perhaps?) came along and decided to play 'God'... Who knows?

Nice ending on this:


►https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3CZExnn8MI

Message here?  Do not kneel to anyone.

Maybe 'Jesus' represents real 'Adams and Eves' (humanity) who actually broke away from their ET captors...  None of that changes the fact that we have a sun and a moon in the sky, and for the most part, we started out as sun and moon (moon first btw) worshippers because we didn't know any better.  Using the allegory of 'Jesus' to describe each and every human alive today with an active pineal gland makes sense.  The sun in the sky, the sun in our own bodies -- 'as above so below' -- the ones who are 'awake'.

I don't know where 'Earth-Humanity' is headed.  I like to think about where I'm headed.

Sherry Shriner?  In a (very) brief overview, she comes across like she's 'over-the-top' delusional...  Btw, I do have some orgonite myself but not because I think it's going to stop 'Satan'.  I happen to like orgonite for other reasons.

Who's TREEE again?

Dana Horochowski?  The nuttier something/someone comes across, the less interested I am in diving into the/their material.  When something doesn't feel right, I focus my attention elsewhere.

Your own words:

orthodoxymoron wrote:I frankly don't trust anyone or anything when it comes to Antiquity, Futurity, the Otherworldly, and the Supernatural. How Do We REALLY KNOW?? Lies and Stories can be written and repeated. People lie all the time. I've been reduced to treating most of this stuff as Science-Fiction which might contain some elements of truth.

The 'whore of Babylon' is the one that babbles?  I've not heard that one before.  I'm rather fond of the word 'babble'... I like to think of myself as the antithesis, the antiphony -- the ANTI-phony.  
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Pris wrote:This is about you acknowledging their 'authority' over you that, literally, gives them 'authority' over you, Red.  Don't you see how that works?

You say, "...we have to respect the law of the land and the various authorities which are integral parts of what we call civilisation."

We (that includes you) don't have to do anything.  Respect law(s)?  Laws are there to keep the masses 'in line' but laws only work if everyone obeys them.  Laws are made to be broken by those who make them.  Think about that one for a moment.

We've come down this path before:

►http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t7243p400-bible#129436

No laws -- rules without rulers... anarchy -- that's a different subject.

Who 'owns' land?  Who 'decided' land was anyone's to 'own'?  Who 'decided' you should pay taxes?  Do you vote?  Do you go along with everything you are told to do like a good little civilian/citizen?

Civilization: it's not all it's cracked up to be.  You might want to look that word up.

You give all the credit to 'Satan'...  how convenient for you.  Humans are pretty clever.  Give them the credit.  Some humans, in particular, are very good at manipulating others for their own ends.  I'm not lumping in all of human kind here.  I'd say that most humans are pretty decent.

You just need one rotten apple to give the illusion that the whole barrel is spoiled.

We, collectively, are responsible for the situation we are in.

No one is coming along to rescue us.  Only we can save ourselves.
The faster we figure that out, the better.
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Pris wrote: Red, if someone claims they talked with your 'God', how can you know for sure they didn't?  You weren't there.  Lol you religious folks -- so sure of everything and yet certain of nothing.

I've also met ethereal beings who can 'speak'.  Big whoopee -- that doesn't prove anything.  We're talking altered states experiences here.

You'd be surprised what you can conjure up with enough belief and intent.

(Dang.  They got Tesla?  Bummer.)
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orthodoxymoron wrote:Once again, try studying that Ray Billington pdf  side by side with that Robert Morning Sky video. I'm NOT pushing this sort of thing. I'm NOT really pushing anything, other than providing a study-guide for a couple of CIA and NSA interns, who are getting PAID to keep track of my TRIPE!! I frankly don't give a DAMN if anyone bothers to take my quest somewhat seriously, or not. I think I might simply be doing this to feed my morbid curiosity regarding THIS PRESENT MADNESS!! BTW, notice that tattoo in the TREEE video. "RA" had a tattoo in the same place, and when I pointed this out to him, he said "You've got me all figured-out, don't you?!" TREEE once emailed me 50 email addresses of top NASA personnel!! Honest!! I never used these addresses, and I no longer have them. I could say more, but I don't want to keep repeating my little stories, and making a Completely Ignorant Fool out of myself. Here is a Sherry Shriner -- Daniel Ott interview. I don't follow Sherry, but I think she knows a lot of nasty information, which somehow makes me think about the unthinkable in connection with creating unconventional science-fiction which might contain some aspects of truth, as a launching-pad for Sirius-Researchers (if there are any)!!

http://www.vedicilluminations.com/downloads/Academic%20General/Billington_Ray_-_Religion_Without_God.pdf

Carol wrote:I work at keeping things simple. Personal relationship with God, Christ works best for me. He made an appearance which was the most amazing utterly awesome spiritual vibrational frequency experience ever - so everything else (all other spiritual experiences) are milk toast by comparison. I have no need to question anymore as all questions were answered in that experience of singularity.

When I say I worry it's because it's easy to get lost and caught up in false illusions mistaking them for the real deal. Sometimes I worry about myself as well yet for a different reason pertaining to not practicing daily meditation. That's about it. Simple. One is either actively engaged in a spiritual practice of not. Having spent years practicing - now I'm not. Is this a plateau? Perhaps? Is it laziness? More likely. It takes focused effort to build up momentum and stick with it.

orthodoxymoron wrote:Carol, the problem is that I don't know what the Real-Deal is. Sometimes I wish I had just gone with the flow in the SDA church, and become a Big-Shot Cardiac-Surgeon at the Loma Linda University Medical Center, attended Sabbath School classes taught by the best and the brightest theologians, continued singing in the University Church choir, continued taking organ-lessons from Kimo Smith (K.S. Bach), and driven my brand-new Porsche 911 Turbo between the hospital and my mansion in the San Bernardino Mountains. But it's too late for that. I hate to say it, but my science-fiction conceptualizations are taking a turn toward the dark-side when I imagine Kings and Queens of Solar Systems Incorporated, rather than Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom in the context of the United States of the Solar System. Money, Power, Technology, Prestige, Respectability, Looking-Good While Making-Money often seems to trump Idealistic-Conceptualizations and Noble-Intentions. The Golden-Rule = Those with the Gold Make the Rules, and Rule?? I wonder how many people have tried to do the right-thing in the context of Religion As We Know It, and have ended up in Poor-Houses and/or Nut-Houses, or as Corrupt Big-Shot Televangelists?? I think I'd like to skip the internet completely, and simply read books and newspapers, while spending most of my time in nature. I tend to think things are simply going to have to "play-out" (for better or worse, I know not).

Carol wrote:Oxy... if you had spent years in meditation chanting "neti, neti, neti" (NOT THIS, NOT THIS, NOT THIS), it would have been easier to clear off the table and only leave the essentials behind. All of your conjectures are just that - conjectures, not facts. And even if your conjectures were to end up as facts later on - do they serve you, enrich your life, make your life more meaningful?

I realize that there is so much out there that it's impossible to hold it all in one's mind so to understand it one must become mindless, sans ego, in order to experience singularity where one's conscious awareness experiences itself as everything and nothing.

I suspect your conjectures are a form of self-entertainment, a means for you to keep delving down into the rabbit hole.

Having explored the rabbit hole I came to realize that to enjoy life it was easier to just take a few essentials and enjoy them. Essentials for me is living in a beautiful natural setting, being surrounded by loving family, taking care of the critters, enjoying the fruits of the land and what it has to offer.

I tend to shun crowds and prefer self-seclusion due to how peaceful it is. Inner peace is constant except when it comes to the window the internet provides to the outside world. We have no TV and anything that comes into our inner sanctuary is pre screened ahead of time. Turkeys fly over the fence into the yard, a white peahen struts about amid the hens, this morning the hen fluffs her feathers up and chases the turkey 3 times her size across the yard, the mini horses graze on the green hill sides, and the cats provide entertainment in play straddling and tackling the dog. Essentially by eliminating the non-essentials life is drifting peacefully along providing points of interest in nature and sometimes with others.

I've been pondering a lot lately about a number of things. One of those self-reflections had to do with what I really wanted in life. Ironically ,unplanned on a conscious level, but an underlying theme was a fulfilling family life. Just the basics. Someplace beautiful to live, peaceful surroundings and harmonious interactions. Getting here was the challenge. Sometimes I wish that I had had a burning desire to do more in the world on the world stage. The bit I did do provided numerous painful and rewarding lessons - more to follow to be sure. There is still much more to be experienced. However, this little eddy in the river of life is precious in-and-of itself. It's meant to be enjoyed to the fullest. Savoring the present is what I'm enjoying best.

Pris wrote: I get bad vibes from Sherry Shriner.  Confusion, feels orchestrated (whether she's aware of it or not).  So, I'm really not interested in 'going there'.  Energy flows where attention goes after all so I don't want to send my energy in that direction to help it grow.

For me, I got some heavy-duty insights from Robert Morning Sky... he's one of my faves.  I've 'cherry-picked' from him.  He's given me much to CON-sider.  Placing the teachings of Robert Morning Sky next to the book, Religion Without God... if you mean sticking ETs/aliens in there as a different kind of 'focus'... and what I think about that?

My answer would depend on just how real/credible/provable any of this is and what I can 'prove' to you.  But, ultimately, I can only ever give you my point-of-view.

How real is real?  Just how real do ETs/aliens have to be to be 'real'?  Are we talking altered states or physical reality or both (or none)?

Would you even be asking me this question (questions in general) if you were raised by wolves? (I'll get to that later).

Short of reading the book (thanks for the pdf), Religion Without God, I found some reviews.  This one I found suitable to help me express some of my thoughts:

Religion of the godhead
ByA customeron April 3, 2002
Format: Paperback

I was raised a Christian fundamentalist. Eleven years ago, while searching for the foundation of my belief in the existence of god, I found that there is no logical or rational reason to hold such a belief. I still have a desire to find like-minded and family oriented people to fellowship with who share a quest for truth, knowledge, and morality. The potential groups I found posses a political drive to socialize world governments, which I do not share.

This book was easy to read, inspiring in parts, and if you are a religious scholar a rehash of many things you probably already know; but a good read nonetheless. The last 2 chapters (10 & 11) are where he gets to the heart of the matter. Chapter 10, Beyond Good and Evil, was a bit disturbing. I agreed with very little that he wrote here. On the section of moral maturity I completely disagreed with his whole premise. For example, I don't believe that slavery was ever moral. He seems to be arguing for moral relativism which I rejected long ago. I guess I'm somewhat of a moral objectivist. I believe that some things are morally right or wrong regardless of time or place. Chapter 11, Substance without form, was a bit of a let down as well; probably because of my own unrealistic expectations, more so than the contents of the chapter.

One more area that bothered me was 'religion without god' doesn't mean (to Billington) 'religion without the supernatural'. He keeps referring to the 'godhead' which is different than 'god'. It's the unknowable, non-antropomorphic, foundation of being, whatever that is supposed to mean. But if it's unknowable than why even bring it up and just assume that it exists? The experiences that people have when they shut down their ego and feel a oneness with the universe are real, in that the feelings are real, but he never addresses the fact that these experiences could be biochemical reactions and nothing more. Sure, they may inspire people to be moral and to live happy and fulfilled lives (which I don't have the slightest problem with) but I feel in a book like this all possibilities should at least be mentioned.

He seems to be stuck in the 'there's a higher power that does exist, that can't be known or described' mode. Which was somewhat of a letdown.
The book title should've been 'Religion of the godhead'.

►https://www.amazon.com/Religion-Without-God-Ray-Billington/product-reviews/0415217857/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_btm?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews&sortBy=recent#RUUBI9F7R4QFR

Unlike this person (above), I do not need to join a group of like-minded folks to feel a kind of 'fellowship'.  In other words, I do not need 'religion'.  It's nice to run into like-minded folks, but after awhile, things get pretty boring.  And, since my mind keeps shifting and searching for new things of interest to explore, it's not the same mind I had yesterday.  So those 'like-minded' folks end up getting annoyed at me and start throwing rocks at me because I no longer think like they do.  Do you see where I'm going with this?

Also, unlike this person (above), I feel a 'connectedness' (very different from/unlike 'oneness' -- 'oneness' as a form of possession).  I feel a 'connectedness' with the universe -- deep love, deep respect -- along with a very powerful ego entirely intact and distinctly separate.  To me, my 'knowingness' stems from the fact that I have an ego, an 'I'.  I take 'me' with me wherever I go. Therein lies my strength, my clarity.

Do you really think the CIA and NSA are studying you, Oxy?  I wonder the same thing about me sometimes... hahaha.

To be as clear as possible, I really don't know you from a hole in the wall.  For all I know you're one of those forum 'distractors'.  Even YOU could be working for someone nefarious.

Hey, that goes for everyone here -- including me.     (I like to think of myself as a healthy 'distractor'. )
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Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Pris, the sentence I've highlighted in blue caught my attention, but I don't wish to say why, and it's probably nothing.

Pris wrote:

There you are.  Hi Red!

More quotes from the Bible.  That's nice.  

What is it with this 'authority' nonsense.  No one has authority over anyone.  

Something bothering you, Oxy?  Sure, it's probably nothing.
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Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Carol, I understand the Simplification-Principle. I've eliminated TV and other common things....

Eliminate TV to simplify... simplify??  My gosh.  Eliminate TV to cut down on some of the most obvious tools used for programming and brainwashing you.  Live in a hut, grow your own fruit and veggies -- that's simplifying.

orthodoxymoron wrote:I'm into "Questioning Authority" without "Rejecting Authority" in a Reasonable, Rational, and Respectful Manner.

Uuuggghh.

orthodoxymoron wrote:BTW, what if Sherry Shriner is interviewing herself in that Interview with the Devil??....

Hurray!  Now, we're on to something!

Avoid at all costs.
By Sane Human Being on June 6, 2016
Format: Paperback
This woman is a delusional loon. Her crazy mythology seems to combine every conspiracy theory you ever heard with some weird version of the Christian bible, sufficiently skewed to grant herself a position of power and influence in the story.
It shows a childish lack of imagination as if she just went on conspiracypedia.com and cut loose with the copy/paste until she had a new religion in her hands.

Do not feed this troll. She will end up a footnote on local news having shot and eaten one of her own relatives for being possessed or some other such nonsense. I suspect the positive reviews are all from her existing cult members who seem to follow her around like lost puppies hanging on her every insane word. I shudder to think what traumas these unfortunate individuals must have suffered in order to render them susceptible to her poisonous rhetoric.

►https://www.amazon.com/Interview-Devil-My-Conversation-Lucifer-ebook/product-reviews/B01G5L1CMM/ref=cm_cr_getr_d_paging_btm_2?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews&sortBy=recent&pageNumber=2#R16YUUMW04J7TP
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Pris wrote:.
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As a follow through from the previous post, I think Bill Donahue does a fantastic job addressing the idea of the devil inside us all.

This is about the power of the human mind.

►https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYEq_Eki9TY

Bill Donahue quote at 22:40:

Call it 'prayer'.  It's still sorcery.  It doesn't make any difference.  Don't you want to see what I'm telling you?  There's one power.  How do you use it?

You think... the mind that you can use to heal somebody... you can use the same mind to kill somebody.  Yes, you can.  It has nothing to do with God, devils, demons... it has nothing to do with any of that stuff.  It is the power that is inherent in what goes on within the human mind.

Bill Donahue quote at 24:54:

Infantiles playing with the power of the mind who have no idea what it's about.  And, they call it religion, and it's scary.

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orthodoxymoron wrote:I keep thinking that when the whole-truth emerges, and when the general-public eventually completely-understands the magnitude of the mess we're in, All Hell Will Break Loose. I can only take so much at a time. I honestly can't handle this stuff very well. I've tried to deal with some of the madness by placing everything in a pseudo-intellectual science-fictional context. I'm often somewhat flippant and speculative, but perhaps this is catharsis and desperation. I hope we can save ourselves without destroying ourselves.

Carol wrote:I hope so too Oxy. It's a bit scary to see how out of control so many people are and the grip that the Luciferians have on the media and society world-side.

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orthodoxymoron wrote:I keep thinking there was an Ancient Star-War in this Solar System, and the Victors Went Underground and Ruled Every Aspect of This Solar System. I suspect this began several (or many) thousands of years ago, and continues to this very day. This would mean that the same Ruler has ruled ALL Governments, Religions, and Major-Businesses for thousands of years. What if the Adventists, Baptists, Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics, Pagans, Catholics, Muslims, and Communists ALL Have the Same Ultimate Boss??!! What if Microsoft, Boeing, Apple, Lockheed-Martin, All Health Systems (and many, many more) ALL Have the Same Ultimate Boss??!! What if Russia, China, England, France, Germany, the United States (and on and on and on) ALL Have the Same Ultimate Boss??!! What if the CIA, FBI, NSA, MI5, MI6, MOSSAD, and Vatican Intelligence ALL Have the Same Ultimate Boss??!! "The Powers That Be Are Ordained by God!!" But Which God??!! What scares me more than this possibility is the possibility that this Hypothetical Reprehensible State of Affairs is Absolutely Necessary!!

Sherry Shriner recently said that everyone thinks there should be a One World Government, but everyone wants to RULE that Centralized Global (or Solar System) Government!! I simply don't think "They" are trying to establish a One World Government. I think it has existed for thousands of years!! What if Sherry Shriner is one aspect of the Ultimate Ruler of This Solar System?? What if the Real-Deal is linked to a Supercomputer and has Dozens of Bodies and Personalities??!! What if my so-called "Ancient Egyptian Deity" aka "RA" is simply one of these Bodies and Personalities (perhaps adapted to dealing with me by flattery and deception)?? I often doubt the Bible and Religions, but I am a firm believer in the existence of the Soul and the reality of Ancient and Modern Star-Wars (which might make the movies look like Sunday-School Picnics)!! My Heart-Surgery failed, and I'm utterly screwed. I knew this was going to happen. I honestly don't know what to do at this point. Any suggestions?? Kiss My @$$ Goodbye?? Smart@$$!!  

https://www.amazon.com/Coronary-True-Story-Medicine-Gone/dp/0743267559/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1497120905&sr=8-1&keywords=coronary+book

orthodoxymoron wrote:It seems as if one must be 'Completely Sold-Out' to be a 'High-Profile Mover and Shaker' but this makes one highly susceptible to 'Blackmail and Manipulation' with unimaginably-high consequences for 'Backing-Out or Whistle-Blowing'. I'm finishing reading a medical-fraud book called 'Coronary' and I just about had a heart-attack!! The level of malfeasance was extremely-high, yet it took a very-long time for anything to be done about it, despite good-people knowing about 100's of unnecessary major-surgeries over a period of many years, and attempting to stop the madness. I continue to suspect Solar Systems Incorporated with the Almighty-Dollar as the God and CEO (figuratively and perhaps somewhat literally). I've never been more disillusioned and despondent. What was horrifying about 'Coronary' is that when the FBI raided the hospital, and all of the allegations became public, the community rallied around the Crook-Doctors!! I continue to think in terms of the 'Corrupt Ruling the Stupid'. The film 'The Tomato Effect' by Fawn Kime, about the suspicious-death of her Doctor-Father Zane Kime, fits in with a pattern of 'Corruption and Murder' involving Big-Business and Big-Money, with veto-power over Ethics, Law, and Order. These cases aren't exactly national or international, but I once was examined by Dr. Kime, and I was present at a couple of his lectures. My father was a cardiac-patient in one of the hospitals in Redding, at the time the unnecessary surgeries were being performed. I recently underwent (seemingly-unsuccessful) cardiac-surgery in a hospital riddled with scandal. That's all I'm going to say about that.

https://www.amazon.com/Coronary-True-Story-Medicine-Gone/dp/0743267559/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1497556513&sr=8-1&keywords=coronary+a+true+story

Carol wrote:Oxy, I'm sorry you had to have surgery and hope all is well for you now. It seems that it is a Topsy Turvey where good is bad and bad is good. So much so that it's overwhelming. Too bad so many people's moral compass is dysfunctional, broken or non-existent. As spouse always says, when one can't do anyone one can always pray and invoke the Divine presence on the planet. We're not in control anyway. And fortunately were not the actors on the public stage getting into deeper doo doo. Being an observer is bad enough. It truly is heartbreaking to read all of the negative headlines in the daily news.

Carol wrote:

Natural Immune Boosting Therapy / Diet
- get off toxic diet

1. Medical Marijuana / Cannabis oil CBD Enriched (Body as Doctor by Dr. Wayne Garland)

2. Vitamin D

3. IV strength Vitamin C & oral vaccine

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5. Vegetarian diet / eggs / fish: stay away from all white food; grains and sugars (sugar feeds cancer cells)

6. homeopathic remedies / spirulina, chlorella

7. Nordic Naturals ProOmega 650 EPA/450 DHA / Omega-3s fish oil soft gels 1000 mg

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9. Salvestrols: natural compounds in the diet which are converted inside diseased cells, by a specific enzyme, into compounds that can destroy the diseased cell. They are part of a natural rescue mechanism and may be essential to maintain good health.

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13. Resveratrol is the beneficial compound found in red Wine  (eat red grapes with seeds and chew seeds to get the health benefit). Has a lot of beneficial effects with many Bioflavonoids, such as reducing the occurrence of osteoporosis, beneficially influencing fat cell production (in favor of long-term fat loss) and modulating blood pressure; usually a reduction of Blood Pressure.

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B.B.Baghor wrote:Carol's words: "Oxy, one of the blessings I learned from a spiritual teacher from India was to chant "Neti, Neti, Neti" as part of a meditation practice. Neti means "Not this". Basically one learns detachment and not to get caught up in the drama that the mind and humans can create. Subsequently, days are peaceful, beauty abounds along with an appreciate for life. There is no desire or need to fill my conscious awareness with angst, worry, sorry, grief or conflict. One basically learns how to be a cork that doesn't get pulled under but instead bobs up floating along blissfully enjoying what is offered. I chose to move out of cities and live in the country for a reason. Then we chose to go live on an island out in the middle of the Pacific. Even reading the Drudge report can drive one nuts if the attention and focus is on the negative. These days I scan headlines rather then immerse myself in the dredges of Drudge. In simple terms I'm just trying to have as pleasant of a human experience as possible where I don't make myself miserable by focusing on Satan's playground. This is not the Ostrich syndrome.. one can be aware and choose to focus on the Divine along with the gifts the Divine has presented to us. These days focus is on spiritual connection to higher vibrational energies which are a lot more "fun."

Wow, that's an honest and beautiful way of putting it, Carol, thank you  

ortho's words: "Does anyone get what I'm getting-at?? Anyone?? ...... Please talk to me.......... I deal with Sirius-Subjects in Crazy-Ways -- just to make us think".

I do get what you're getting at, ortho, as far as I can get it. I feel that mudra says it very accurately, that "your conscience is your strength, driving you through life". That's what I hear you do in the USSS thread, only hadn't put it in words this way. Regarding some of the  words, taken out here and there, copied above, you do make us think. The thing is, it makes me think more about how to get what you think and how to find a two-way communication with you, can you get that? I wish for you that more people here think out loud and share their thoughts with you. On the other hand, haven't they tried, often genuinely? I don't mean to suggest to put a halt to your thread, but nothing seems to stop you in your pondering, wondering, feeling-through-the-dark Quest for Truth, or so it seems.

To me, there seems to be a missing of breathing out, ortho, in your Quest. The fire of your mind is a furnace and for a furnace to burn, there's a need for chopping wood and air. To me, it seems that for taking a fresh breath of air, you need to breath out first, a long one. Be it as a flame or a sigh, in the mountain cabin or in your present home. Matching your pace of thoughts, in the USSS thread isn't easy for me, it makes me feel out of breath. I can't take it all in. "It's too much of a good thing" is my first comment on it, remember?

Give your mind a rest and ponder for a change, on making your conscience a felt strength for yourself, ortho, acknowledge your tremendous fieldtrip in the human conditions and mindsets. Be, for a moment, content with the work you do and have achieved. It's one of the values I've learned later in life, that it's essential and nurturing, to feel good about what I've tried, worked hard for to make my life work, for myself and others with me. And wrap myself with a warm blanket of "feeling good" about myself. Both in a material sense, for physical comfort, and a heartfelt sense, for the infinity for oneself in one's heart. That's what grounding really is, you see? Grounding in comfort and trust, in being friends with Gaia, I mean.

To me, that's how Carol's words sound to me: "These days focus is on spiritual connection to higher vibrational energies which are a lot more "fun." It's about a down to earth use of common sense, often arrived at when standing on a high place taking in the splendor of a view, or at the seashore, looking in awe at the powerful white foamy waves, crashing at your feet.

POPE OBE WAN KENOBI

Who do these nice men REALLY have to deal with???

Carol wrote:

EMP Nuclear Attack Fears
Have US Reopen Cheyenne Mountain
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/193883#.VSqXqVxiqN7

Days after Iran deal, Pentagon acts fearing nuclear missile attack that would burn out America’s electronic-based defenses. The Pentagon has decided to reopen the Cheyenne Mountain Air Defense facility, which housed the heart of America’s air and missile defense of North America. The facility had been mothballed in a “cost-saving” move in 2006.

Last week, Admiral William Gortney, head of US NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) and US Northern Command, reversed that decision and announced the Pentagon was spending an opening ante of $700 million to oversee reactivation of the Cheyenne mountain-embedded facility.

The reason - the Pentagon's fears of a nuclear Electro-Magnetic Pulse (EMP) attack by a missile that would burn out America’s overly-dependent defense, which is based on modern electronics.

US NORAD and US Northern Command aren’t just acronyms. They represent the last-ditch American defense of the continental United States homeland. NORAD originally stood for North America Air Defense Command, but now stands for North American Aerospace Command. US Northern Command is the area-specific designation of the US military command that is responsible for the continental United States homeland.

Given the current US military fear of an inter-continental ballistic (ICBM) missile attack with an EMP nuclear-device, Admiral Gortney explained that "because of the very nature of the way that Cheyenne Mountain's built, it's EMP-hardened. And so, there's a lot of movement [in the Pentagon] to put [military] capability into Cheyenne Mountain and to be able to communicate in there."

Orthodoxymoron in 1945!!

Pris wrote:

RedEzra wrote:
I don't know what to say man. I just notice several prophecies written down centuries before they came to pass... I'm impressed.

Why can't the Bible be the preserved and inspired written words of GOD ? Who else in history can foretell the future in such a specific way and even get the timing right ? What's wrong with GOD being like depicted in the Bible ?

Does GOD come across as too sovereign and authoritative with emotions like a human being ? We may want GOD to be like this or that but we are just making GOD in our own image.

Show me a book with a better track record of fulfilled prophecies than the Bible.

It's easy to fulfill a 'prophecy' for selfish gain.  If, for example, the 'end of the world' is supposedly predicted in the bible, what better opportunity for nefarious types to exploit this 'prediction/prophecy' for their own agenda while getting all the religious folks to jump on board supporting it!  You, Red:  "It's written in the bible so it must be true."

In the meantime, the cabalists prepare and steer the masses with predictive programming to build up momentum and foster an environment of acquiescence.  I mean, you yourself have already embraced the annihilation of the planet as 'fact', haven't you, Red?  Is this what you want?

What you see will be.  Do not underestimate the power of your own mind in manifesting reality.

Thanks to people like you, Red, I have to work even harder at curbing possible negative future outcomes with a positive future outlook.  The future has NOT been written.  In this very moment, we all have influence over what we wish to see.
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RedEzra wrote:The fall of Babylon and the Persian empire and the rise of Greece before splitting into four kingdoms and the exploits of Antiochus Epiphanes in Israel and the ruin of Jerusalem after the Messiah would be cut off were all written down before they came to pass.

The manner in which the Messiah would enter Jerusalem and when down to the month were also foretold before it happened. The eventual return of the Jews and on and on...

The Bible is a Book of prophecies with an impeccable track record. What is written will be fulfilled.

That's all she wrote.

NANUXII wrote:Thank you RedEzra

Im not trying to cast doubt or seem against you, i actually enjoy debating Theosophy so to find someone devout in traditional teachings is a treat for me,

The prophecies are very accurate yes i would agree too.  However the possibilities of it having been planted is also plausible.

I would consider Time Travel is a plausible means for which the Bible was actually a history book re written into the future indicative.

It could also be a manual for those vested with the power to reign and in order to stay in power they must follow the bible and enact it.

But i think a combination of these is plausible. Yes " a " god or gods were responsible for it all , but is our concept of god skewed ? if you consider most old scriptures and writings are Theomatically engineered.

What is the ultimate language of advanced beings ?  Mathematics. Before numbers the alphabet was responsible for numbers or numerals. So hidden in plain sight is the actual basis for numerical binary codes. This does not lessen the idea of god , on the contrary, it enforces it, however as mentioned , its entirely possible that the actuality of god is maybe different to what primitive man was taught.

It is plausible that primitive man did not grasp originally taught advanced concepts and it caused them to revolt ... so a different concept was created and then eventually accepted and has been ever since.

Whomever created us in their image , or genetically modified something to create us has made something that in time may be valuable or destructive. Both are in play as we speak and its entirely possible that quickening genetics is done by inserting knowledge and allowing the enviroment to ultimately differ the genetic codes ( also mathematical )

So i guess i just want to expand on the concepts traditionally accepted because as we evolve so too our beliefs should and must change. Especially those implanted with good intention. And its entirely possible i am completely wrong.  

Swanny wrote:

If the lord is your shepherd you're nothing more than a sheep

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Carol wrote:Heart Surgery Oxy? What is this about?

From Jim Stone
Source:
http://82.221.129.208/baaasepageu6.html
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THE VERY IMPORTANT CORRECT THE RECORD REPORT IS ON THIS PAGE UNDER THE HEADLINE "An intercepted transcript from Correct the Record reveals a LOT." The transcript proves Hillary was not at any debate, that David Brock knows who killed Seth Rich, That correct the record and Media Matters are connected, that Correct the Record was given powerful NSA malware, which obviously is also now in the hands of Media Matters, and that this happened BEFORE the NSA leaks, AND MORE. The transcript is absolutely ground breaking, and after it floated around on the web for six months unnoticed by many, it surfaced again, What Really Happened linked to it, and that's where I found it. So this is mainstream alt media folks, SCROLL DOWN TO THE REPORT, READ IT, AND LET THEM WEEP.

COVFEFE

Don't sweat it. It is a Hebrew word Trump typed, which in the context stated meant that the media will never tell the truth and it will make things difficult but we will succeed anyway.

Files deleted from message window server. The goons deleted all their obvious goonage off the files stored on the messaging server after I posted an example of what they do yesterday. They did not delete their goonage with any care at all, they simply deleted entire files, with good messages AND their goonage in them. This means that even if a message makes it, if I don't see it before they get to it, it is gone.

FACT: I HAVE MADE ZERO, AND I MEAN ZERO security errors that would make such access possible. If they did this, it means absolutely no one on the web is safe, and it was not man in the middle, they simply went right into the server through a back door.

They did not get access via a stinger in the data stream, because the connection I use for the main server is never used to type a password into a back up server. The server they accessed had a recent password change at a totally random computer that I never saw before in my life, in a cyber cafe I never saw before and while at that computer I did one thing: Change the password to that server, and then leave. And my passwords are all similar to this: 1nqq335rt7/9- which means there's no possible way they hacked the password.

The deletion of the files proves without question that absolutely no one in the world can secure a server or any computer anywhere, because there are transparent back doors they walk right through and can do anything they want. Maybe exploiting this is a feature of Foxacid. This web site does not require a secure connection to access, but it DOES require a secure connection to administer. The fact the files vanished, and they were ONLY files these trolls wrote into, proves without question the world is completely exposed to the shadow government at all levels of computing and no level of "secure access" or good password will stop that.

So I am going to fight back any way I can, to cause them problems any way I can. COMING SOON TO THIS WEB SITE: An IP list that anyone can put in their forum ban list or .htaccess to keep the trolls out. It will get long, because these people have a whole pile of IP's but I have figured out how to identify them when they come in, and they will be added to a list anyone can see here, and use, to make their forums better. Eventually it will do significant damage. They must be sensitive to this, because why else would they delete all files they posted to, with their IP addresses recorded there? It would have been better for them to just let it all sit unless they had a specific reason to do the deletes, and the IP addresses would probably be that reason. So I will publish them when they come in.

To see the goonage I am talking about, See this
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An intercepted transcript from Correct the Record reveals a LOT.

This has been out there for six months, and I missed it! So I will guess that many others missed it also, and post it. This conversation, which was acquired during a hack, reveals several key things:

1. Hillary has been replaced, and was replaced before the first debate.

2. Seth rich was murdered and David Brock knows who did it.

3. Correct the record was given NSA malware for the express purpose of ferreting out key people in alt media, locating their physical location, and killing them. This software was recklessly given to an army of correct the record trolls who busted into the computers of over a thousand top Trump supporting reddit users, and hundreds more chan users.

4. AS I ALWAYS SAID, Hillary lost every single online poll, and the polls were faked to show her winning. It is clearly stated here that despite doing well at the debate, Hillary's replacement still lost 100 PERCENT of ALL online polls and everyone at Correct the Record knew that.

5. Not everyone is aware of the entirity of the conspiracy, even people working deep within it. The syntax here proves it.

6. As I have said all along, there really is NSA malware that can get into your computer even if you never visit a malicious site, or click a link in an E-mail, or do anything else that is known to be able to infect a computer. My custom ROM chip is going to be replaced very soon, because it is obviously hacked. I'll make 20 of them this time, and swap them out regularly, and throw the used ones in the trash. I will also ditch the laptop battery, which has it's own processor for power management, and is definitely infected.

OK, so on to the transcript.
Begin Transcript ekim [5:52 AM]

ekim [5:52 AM] set the channel purpose: clean up this mes

brock [5:52 AM] joined post-debate from an invitation by @ekim

brock [5:53 AM] go round up the others. i need some coffee.

brock [5:54 AM] good morning to u to fink.

efink [5:55 AM] the only good thing about it was that whoever that was, she looked pretty good. how tf did they do that?

brock [5:56 AM]I can't talk. very hush hush. still, we've lost every online poll and we need to get tough here. get this under control.

[5:59] i don't see what's so bad. She looked really healthy! I thought she did GREAT!

efink [5:59 AM] she was scoring 3 on AMTS a couple of weeks ago and 22 on mmse. Yeah, whoever that was was normal.

MY COMMENT: Clearly here, you can see they know it was not Hillary at the debate.

[6:00] but the telemetry sucks. look at all the snap onlines: we're losing 100%

[6:00] romney v obama numbers

My comment: That proves they knew all the online polls were false, and had the real numbers in the background.

ekim [6:01 AM] but those don't mean anything

efink [6:01 AM] it means they're enthusiastic. organized. if they can swarm a poll whats to stop them swarming a voting booth?

[6:01] it also creates a counter-nar. the free press will sniff it. we have to stop the bleeding.

ekim [6:01 AM] k

efink [6:02 AM] don't worry. we have something. GET SHAW OUT OF BED.

[6:02] i'm going for coffee.

cshaw [6:05 AM] hello!

[6:06] hi Liz.

[6:06] I see we're not happy

brock [6:06 AM] Not at all.

cshaw [6:06 AM] I read the round-up. It looked good?

brock [6:07 AM] the round up my burning ass. Im talking about the real world. Trump made her look like a girl. Today we hit back. We hit back hard.

[6:07] Fink?

efink [6:07 AM] one sec.

[6:10] okay. guys, this is 18-2381 stuff. Got it?

cshaw [6:10 AM] yes

ekim [6:10 AM] yes sir.

efink [6:11 AM] alright. we need to move beyond the disruption scripts and down-voting. we need to start hurting people and that's what this is about. This is about winning because we'll never get a chance at this again. everything is justified. David?

brock [6:11 AM] dramatic.

[6:13] XXXX-okay. so the Trump team is an emergent order. thirty million little chan and reddit assholes that bump around and then congeal to vote in a poll or push a meme or make a hashtag trend or whatever. This is new. It isn't like fighting a centrally organized campaign.

[6:13] It's more like fighting a disease.

[6:14] So what we need to do is break the pattern. The usual means isn't working. Trump's too charismatic. Morale is too high. This is an army of chaos folks.

[6:14] so we have full clearance. Word of God.

[6:15] Fink-let's do this. I have a plane to catch.

efink [6:16 AM] uploaded and commented on an image: foxacid.jpg 1 Comment FOXACID

ekim [6:16 AM] Ew.

cshaw [6:16 AM] i like it! wtf is it??

efink [6:17 AM] This is manna from heaven, kids.

[6:18] We have the use of an NSA intrusion package. We are going to find the thought leaders. the meme-generators. the XXXX-posters. I need a target analysis for reddit, twitter, and the chans by tomorrow 5 PM.

[6:18] You will monitor, identify, and using the FA [foxacid] software set we have, identify/dox.

cshaw [6:18 AM] that will dox them??

efink [6:20 AM] It will man-on-the-side for the anon boards and intercept traffic. We can use that for IP addresses and loading tracking software and magic lantern onto their devices. Once we have them compromised

[6:20] David? How many do we need?

brock [6:21 AM] I want 150 from 4chan, whatever you can get from 8. I want 1000 top reddit drivers exposed and I want content analysis for their posts. I want the people who are really driving their narrative.

[6:22] I need all that in a packet by tomorrow afternoon with lexical analysis, proof of compromise. I want clips of memes. I want to up-vote patterns. All this has to be inside the US too. We can't use externals.

cshaw [6:23 AM] It won't work outside the US?

efink [6:23 AM] It works fine outside the us you idiot. That's NSA stuff.

brock [6:24 AM] WE don't work outside the US. Do you think this is Xxxxxxxx bean-bag?

[6:24] We are going to disrupt them before this XXXX goes any further.

[6:24] if they don't have leaders, we're going to get their thought leaders.

cshaw [6:24 AM] like pajama boy!

brock [6:25 AM] I AM NOT N THE MOOD cshaw

cshaw [6:25 AM] sorry

efink [6:26 AM] just get us the target profiles. Hit the numbers. Give us a matrix for each of them. Okay? PII, influence grid, recent activity, Q-rate. Like that.

[6:26] You know what to do.

cshaw [6:26 AM] Yes sir.

ekim [6:26 AM] What are we going to do with that?

brock [6:27 AM] do u really want to Xxxxxxxx know, kim?

ekim [6:27 AM] i'm good.

brock [6:28 AM] u better be. I am going to get a plane. You will be up ALL NIGHT. Keep the lab LOCKED. Fink bring in pizza or whatever to keep the kids going.

[6:30] Get those files together.

ekim [6:30 AM] I'm on it. Do you know what brock is going to do with them? I do kind of want to know, sir.

efink [6:31 AM] google Seth Rich and shut up about it.

cshaw [6:31 AM] OOg.

[6:32] well, they are deplorable. idk. I think we should have done this a long time ago.

orthodoxymoron wrote:OK, so on to the transcript.
Begin Transcript ekim [5:52 AM]

ekim [5:52 AM] set the channel purpose: clean up this mes

brock [5:52 AM] joined post-debate from an invitation by @ekim

brock [5:53 AM] go round up the others. i need some coffee.

brock [5:54 AM] good morning to u to fink.

efink [5:55 AM] the only good thing about it was that whoever that was, she looked pretty good. how tf did they do that?

brock [5:56 AM]I can't talk. very hush hush. still, we've lost every online poll and we need to get tough here. get this under control.

[5:59] i don't see what's so bad. She looked really healthy! I thought she did GREAT!

efink [5:59 AM] she was scoring 3 on AMTS a couple of weeks ago and 22 on mmse. Yeah, whoever that was was normal.

MY COMMENT: Clearly here, you can see they know it was not Hillary at the debate.

Regarding "Hillary not being at the debate" I don't know if this is true or not, but I think the technology to "duplicate people" exists. Sherry Shriner has been talking about this sort of thing for years, but I remain Wary of Sherry!! She recently claimed that when Melania seems cold toward Donald, she is really rejecting his double (which Sherry claims isn't human)!! Again, this is why I make everything Science-Fictional, without making a Big-Deal out of it. I just move on...

magamud wrote:Im not beating around the bush.  I have told you numerous times of the law, but you cant integrate it into your law.  Im not judging you just making an observation.  So since I can only be direct with you so often because I dont want to have conflict and want to  enjoy some time here on the mist, I superposition my information with you on this thread.

Your david and goliath analogy is very good.  Its the same with physics in relation to the law.  Gods energy is the same amount as actual matter in an atom.  The rest is projection, very flimsy like a house of cards.  

As far as your reference to all these mythological characters being Moses or Jesus you are right in some sense.  I think the problem is you are integrating various harvests that have happened to our societal complex.  That is the law or pattern is the same for each harvest.  There is a beginning and an end.  With the various players, Moses, Christ, Prophets etc.. Playing out the Harvest drama to gain awareness.  But each harvest has a different outside appearance.  I suspect there are numerous harvests spilling into this one.  Osiris, Krishna, Odin, quezacotl, Druid, Matreya, etc...  Then all these memories are infighting with each other on whose appearance is right when its whats behind the appearance that should be uniting us.

The law is simple.  The all father creates this world so we can grow in our sovereign consciousness.   He warns us of the traps and gives us portends, life, prophets, the book and his Son to ensure its integrity.  But the appearance of the Atom is so huge and what its neutron of actual matter is, is so small.  I hope this helps.

Godspeed Ortho of the Mists....

Crusader Rabbit Leading the Charge
Down the Rabbit Hole.

magamud wrote:Believe it or not Ortho you reflect my disposition very much.  Jesus warned us about the david and goliath architecture.  The camel through the needle, the mustard seed, actual matter vs dark matter.  Show me the capstone that the builders rejected!  This is the door and without it, extrapolation in general goes astray.  There are different degrees being magnetized toward constant North which is growth.  And hell its your sovereignty, dream what you wish, but you can never say you did not know.  Thats another law.  But this door can diametrically oppose people to a polar opposite like positive and negative magnets and blaming me for the interaction.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4Dc-J_mD7c    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyYZzxT_2ww  This is where you sift our human empathic bond with knowing your own boundaries.  This becomes a dynamic of virtue.  Which is masked by the holy spirit, syncronicity, portends, etc...  You build a relationship. Theres is so much going on its always superposition most of the time, it takes someone to happen to create a bridge.  The difficulty I think is the simplicity of it.  And were in such a paranoid world, which is our unconscious intention to make us think for ourselves.  And any type of Pastor or Guru status is so monopolized by other intrenched religions and the lack of its integrity by our past misfortunes.  You really just have to take a leap of faith and not even worry about it because the words are not yours they are his.  So in a sense you are phasing in.  A zero point?  But once your there you still have to constantly mix this ludicrous statement with contemporary humility.  Thats the idea.  Thats the discipline.  Not easy when there is a technocracy and Monty Python humor...

Spielberg, Lucas, Carpenter first movies really are jewels to look through.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbuQ5ZLB2ME&feature=endscreen

Another "Insider-Leaker" Exposed!!

Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:In the case of Jesus, why was his incarnation so long in coming??

Assuming 'Jesus' was supposed to be a real person and as far as incarnation goes, who's to say he hasn't already incarnated multiple times.  People wouldn't know 'Jesus' if they bumped into him on the street.  'Jesus' wouldn't necessarily announce himself in a way people expect.  Why should he?

Maybe our own awareness, our own 'waking up' as individuals, is 'incarnating' in lots of people all at the same time... that 'Christ/crystal consciousness' idea.  That makes most sense to me.  'Jesus' is an allegory.  It's a remembering thing -- remembering who we are, nothing more.

orthodoxymoron wrote:Why are there so many Pagan Christian-Precursors??

Because there's a long, long history of stories and superstitions prior to the bible that the bible is based on.  Imagine that!  

orthodoxymoron wrote:Why didn't Jesus write the Whole New-Testament Himself?? Why has he been absent for 2,000 years after winning the battle against Satan??

If there are as many 'Jesus's' as 'Virgin Mothers', then you're asking for a story to spring to life and write a story about itself.  Everybody else wrote the story, over and over again... changing character names for the sun and the moon, redefining what the term 'virgin' originally meant, etc... in bits and pieces over a very long period of time.  

And, who says 'Jesus' has been absent for 2,000 years after, supposedly, winning the battle against 'Satan' (allegorically speaking, of course)?  This is about 'battling' the dark side of our psyches.  So, 'Jesus' and 'Satan' are the same 'person' -- two sides of the same mind (like 'Enki' and Enlil', like 'Thor' and 'Loki').  It's an individual journey.  Only when we learn not to fight our 'dark' side but, instead, integrate the 'dark' with the 'light' in our own minds can we finally be 'saved'.  This is about being whole and balanced, not splintered.

orthodoxymoron wrote:I think the REAL Greatest Story Ever Told would drive 87% of us insane. I really think it's that bad.

87% lol!  Of course, you're just being silly, Oxy.  The 'Greatest Story Ever Told' is unfolding around us right now -- in the here and now.  As we finally wake up, maybe it will drive 87% of us sane.  I really think it's that good.

orthodoxymoron wrote:I think the Bible should be studied by scholars, but NOT crammed down the throats of the General-Public. The Catholic Church sort of did this when they restricted the Bible from the Masses, and created a Latin Mass, but they did it in a corrupt and shoddy manner, complete with torturing and burning people to death. God is Love?? Really??

Whoaaa... noooo.  Clearly, the bible ought not be crammed down anyone's throats but it needs to be studied by whomever chooses to study it.  You're right -- nobody ought to be killed over it!  Meantime, are you going to decide who gets to be a scholar, Oxy?  The withholding of information/knowledge in any way, shape or form is censorship.  Period.  I'd like to decide for myself what to make of it, thank you very little.

orthodoxymoron wrote:BTW, I used to LOVE to do organ-improvisations on Picardy in empty churches!!

Whatever makes you happy, Oxy.
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orthodoxymoron wrote:

Sometimes I wonder if you might be Sherry Shriner??!!
Sometimes I wonder if this thread might be about you??!!
Pris, sometimes I wonder if this might be you in antiquity??!!

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sherrytalkradio/2014/07/08/07-07-14-monday-night-with-sherry-shriner

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Pris wrote: Lol I'm not sure... but I'm guessing this is sort of a compliment coming from you, Oxy.  Thanks... I think.  

Btw, if I was Sherry Shriner, I wouldn't put this up, would I?  

A book review on Sherry Shriner's 'Interview With The Devil':

Avoid at all costs.
By Sane Human Being on June 6, 2016
Format: Paperback

This woman is a delusional loon. Her crazy mythology seems to combine every conspiracy theory you ever heard with some weird version of the Christian bible, sufficiently skewed to grant herself a position of power and influence in the story. It shows a childish lack of imagination as if she just went on conspiracypedia.com and cut loose with the copy/paste until she had a new religion in her hands.

Do not feed this troll. She will end up a footnote on local news having shot and eaten one of her own relatives for being possessed or some other such nonsense. I suspect the positive reviews are all from her existing cult members who seem to follow her around like lost puppies hanging on her every insane word. I shudder to think what traumas these unfortunate individuals must have suffered in order to render them susceptible to her poisonous rhetoric.

►https://www.amazon.com/Interview-Devil-My-Conversation-Lucifer-ebook/product-reviews/B01G5L1CMM/ref=cm_cr_getr_d_paging_btm_2?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews&sortBy=recent&pageNumber=2#R16YUUMW04J7TP

►http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t9334p25-i-jesus-am-lucifer#129728
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Pris, I probably shouldn't have made it personal, but I guess I'm modeling the concept of an Ancient Egyptian Soul with Dozens of Bodies and Personalities, Who Might be Linked to a Mainframe, and Might've Ruled This Solar System for Thousands of Years by Controlling EVERYTHING and Playing ALL Sides!! I'm Tired of Casting My Speculative-Pearls Before the Swine, and I Think I Simply Wish to Silently Watch Things Play Out. My Health is Deteriorating, and I Don't Feel Like Working for Nothing to Accomplish Nothing. I Just Think We'll be Shocked When We Learn How Things Have REALLY Worked in This Solar System for Thousands of Years. I might not post again for a very-long time. I frankly might not be around much longer. Geronimo.

Pris wrote:What's the point of 'Speculative-Pearls' if you do not cast them out?  Should there actually be some pearls, who better than swine to make something of them.  I wouldn't worry about it, Oxy.  Personally, I think everything we do is 'meant to be'.  Be full of gratitude. The 'Ancient Egyptian Soul with Dozens of Bodies and Personalities...'  Yes, I've heard of that one before:  we're supposedly the splintered/fractured parts of one being -- or one 'soul'.  Also, this one 'soul' is supposedly shredded across multiple time lines (which further complicates things lol).  It's an interesting story/idea. Yes... your health isn't too great lately?  Hugs to you, Oxy, whatever happens.
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orthodoxymoron wrote:

RedEzra wrote:Humanity has an angelic adversary according to the Bible... a son of God (as angels are) whose sole purpose is to take as many as he can down with him. When this fiery angel can't make it into eternity then he will do everything in his power to make sure that no form of flesh and blood will either. A son of God will not be humiliated and superseded by mere mortal man.

Why do God allow an angel to wreak havoc on earth ? Well there is an appointed time to shut him down and i think we are approaching that time...

So human life comes with a catch... an angelic adversary with temporary authority from God over the kingdoms of the earth. And as history shows ancient nations were worshipping their angels with wars human sacrifice and prostitution. And nothing has changed... as the nations of the world still do.

So will we go down with an angel or will we go up to God ? The whole world has chosen to go down with the devil... so it is no hope in Heaven for anybody who refuse to receive the free gift of forgiveness from God the Saviour. This Good News has gone around the world many times already... so where is the excuse for not accepting Jesus ?

"Whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved !" - Acts 2:21 / Romans 10:13

I have speculated that the 'Bad Guy and/or Gal' has been ruling Earth for at least 6,000 years, but if so, why has this been allowed to go on for so long?? Would a CEO turn their company over to their worst employee?? I have further speculated that this madness will end around A.D. 2133. A lot of this is based upon The End of the World, A.D. 2133 by Lucio Bernardo Silvestre. Then I combine this with a modified SDA concept of an Investigative Judgment, for better or worse, I know not. But once again, how do we know anything regarding antiquity and the otherworldly with any significant degree of certainty?? The supposed Moral-Standard in the Bible seems highly flawed and contradictory, especially in light of modern University Studies in Ethics and Law. Thinking about God seems to work better in a Business Context, rather than in a Church and/or State setting.

orthodoxymoron wrote:

RedEzra wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:I have speculated that the 'Bad Guy and/or Gal' has been ruling Earth for at least 6,000 years, but if so, why has this been allowed to go on for so long?? Would a CEO turn their company over to their worst employee??

Well if the employees want the worst employee to manage them... then what is the CEO to do ? Fire them all...?

What if there was a Hostile-Takeover by the Employees which included Killing the CEO and choosing a Replacement?? But what if the CEO Staged and Faked this Takeover-Murder to accomplish some significant purpose?? Or what if the CEO was taken hostage?? What Would Omnipotent-Highness and Original-Hostage KRLLL Say?? What Would Bill Cooper Say?? What Would Lord Ba'al  Say?? What Would Queen Qetesh Say?? What Would Osiris Say?? What Would Isis, Horus, and Set (IHS) Say?? What if Isis, Horus, and Set are All ONE?? What Would the Jesuits Say?? What Would the Masons Say?? What Would Dr. Who Say?? What Would Chad (Osiris?) Say?? What Would Anna (Isis?) Say?? What Would Mr. Edgars Say?? What Would Edgar Mitchell Say?? What Would Elizabeth Mitchell Say?? What Would Mitchell Say?? What Would the Ancient Egyptian Deity Say?? What Would RA Say?? What Would Serqet Say?? I continue to think the REAL History is nastier than any of us can imagine!!

JoeEcho wrote:

The best surprises come from the least likely of places. Hint: Pseudonyms are all the rage.

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Here is a study for the deeply-dedicated!!
I doubt I'll ever have this list mastered!!
This isn't an easy road less travelled!!

Patriarchs and Prophets (Ellen White).

SDA Bible Commentary -- Volume 3 (1 Chronicles to Song of Solomon).

Prophets and Kings (Ellen White).

SDA Bible Commentary -- Volume 4 (Isaiah to Malachi).

Desire of Ages (Ellen White).

SDA Bible Commentary -- Volume 6 (Acts to Ephesians).

B.B.Baghor wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:

Now I'm going to try to calm myself down
by listening to David Icke for a while.
World Without End. Amen.

Thanks for posting this tubby, ortho, it's interesting to witness the UK audience in such enthusiasm, welcoming David Icke. The same presentation "..... off your knees" was in Holland too, some years ago now. The audience was much calmer and the feeling of the place wasn't like "crowded". But I've sat there for hours and hours, listening to this lion of a man called David He does the jumping up and down and gesturing, wild and impatient, humorous in great timing, to me, obviously supported by spirit of some sorts. I was genuinely impressed, for the first time seeing him live on stage and so alive with lion roars! David Icke lives on the Isle of Wight, along the South coast of the UK. Are you OK?

"No. I am NOT OK. I Hate My Life. Thank-you for asking."  

Vidya Moksha wrote:

magamud wrote:The Phillip K. movement as I would call it with the other philosophers at that time was an excellent attempt to objectify reality.  I always wanted to get into his Exegesus.  Im sure I would just sit there and nod back and forth your right if Dick was talking.  Ill have to list those other philosophers that use to commiserate.  When I finish going through this entire thread I will post more ideas.

A SYMBOL OF ISIS/RA'S VICTORY
OVER OSIRIS/HORUS?

I found this interview to be quite interesting. Please watch it, and tell me what you think. I mostly point to the work of other people. Why reinvent the wheel? Besides, I really am a completely ignorant fool, who just happens to have enough sense, to point people in the right direction! I remain schizophrenic regarding religion, Christianity, and the Vatican. I think we might be dealing with gods and goddesses, angels and demons, rather than God - at least in this solar system. I think theology is very important, as does Jordan Maxwell. I've recently become fascinated with the life and times of Pope Pius XII - for a variety of reasons. I'd still like to somehow hijack the Vatican with my little Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System - and mostly replace Canon Law with the Teachings of Jesus. I doubt the details of the Historical Jesus - even though it's a terrific story. But I do reverence the actual Teachings of Jesus - even though there are some perplexing 'hard-sayings' of Jesus. These teachings might not have been spoken by Christ 2,000 years ago, but regardless of their source, I find them to be inspiring and profound. What if the Vatican were based upon the Red-Letter Teachings of Jesus and the U.S. Constitution? I love the art, architecture, music, panache, etc. of the Vatican and the Roman Catholic Church, but the history and theology are hugely problematic - and the form of governance lends itself to evil and corruption. There seems to be too much power at the top, and too much secrecy. This is just my impression. The Vatican seems to be a huge part of the problem - and potentially a huge part of the solution. Hope springs eternal.

There is only so much of the bloody history that I can handle. I have to shield myself from a lot of it. I really am much too sensitive and idealistic. The same goes for nasty, faith-shattering harangues. I have to take that sort of thing in small doses. If one really wishes to become disillusioned, they can read 'Foxe's Book of Martyrs'. This world has been, and is, a Bloody and Stupid Insane Asylum. It has so much potential - but I hate the reality. On the other hand, I used to love to practice the pipe-organ in a small Roman Catholic church - and watch people praying as I practiced. To me, this is church at it's best.

I think a lot of beings - human and otherwise - have chosen to work for the dark-side - because the system of rewards and punishments is backasswards. This needs to be corrected, or this world will remain the hell-hole that it is, until it's pulverized into one big asteroid-belt. I'll keep reincarnating in this solar system - trying to make it better. I don't want to play this stupid game any longer - but I feel obligated to do so. I'm trying to change the damn game - but the galactic powers that be seem to have other ideas...

Which Teaching of Christ do you wish to take issue with? Is reincarnation real? What happens when we die? I have more interest in Roman Catholic art, architecture, and music than I do in their church councils and pontifications. I'm thinking of the Latin Mass more as an artistic expression - than as a theological milestone. The Teachings Attributed to Jesus Christ make a helluva lot of sense - regardless of their source. And even if they turn out to be mostly untrue - they would still be an excellent mental and spiritual exercise. People will run from one perceived House of Refuge to another. When religion is destroyed - one should make damn sure that they have something better to put in it's place...

I am interested in contemporary thinking, so when I ask you questions, this is part of an ongoing research project. I'd love to chat, but it's time to separate the sheep from the goats...

OK - no politics, no religion, no Jordan Maxwell. The total breakdown of societal structure - including the legal system - should lead us to Nirvana! Anarchy = Paradise! I'm feeling better already!   Seriously - when one stops trying to improve politics and religion - I think there is a euphoric exhilaration. Unfortunately, I think we need some form of politics and religion. I favor positively reinforcing the best of the past, with a Minimalist Traditionalist approach, as an evolutionary methodology of reforming admittedly corrupt societal structures. Letting go of politics and religion, on an individual basis, probably works, at least for a while - but on a global level, I think we're stuck with politics and religion. I will continue to contemplate idealistic conceptualizations of church and state - and the proper relationship between church and state. I will also continue to contemplate a perfected humanity, living in a perfected solar system. I doubt that this is going to happen anytime soon. In fact, we might be very lucky to simply survive...

As the general public learns more of the horrible historical abuses of church and state - and as they find out more and more about the New World Order - and as they are adversely affected by it - there may very well be anarchy - complete with running in the streets. Then the noose might get a lot tighter. I have been doing a lot of dreaming on another thread - and I feel quite comfortable with many of my conclusions - but I don't have a clue regarding how and when to implement them. Great ideas can be horribly botched. It seems as though the New World Order is being installed in a very sloppy and shoddy manner. I have huge problems with the Old World Order and the New World Order - but I think we need some sort of a World Order. In fact, I think we need a Solar System Order or a New Solar System. But as we all know, the road to hell is paved with good intentions...

Should we seek no common ground or global cooperation? Must we be slavishly individualistic? What does the term 'Divide and Conquer' mean to you? What is truth? Should freedom have limits? If so, what should they be? Is ridicule a form of control? I think that politics, religion, and theology are a mixture of truth, lies, good, and evil. These are very messy subjects. What I really object to in the world are the creepy, corrupt, destructive, and violent aspects.

I tend to think that Jordan might've gotten a bit too close to Freemasonry and Blavatsky, and he doesn't always make proper word associations. Once again, he seems to be very good at pointing out obscure connections and problems, but he rarely offers convincing solutions. But I love listening to Jordan, and I have learned a lot from him. Whether he is right or wrong, I think a lot of us should deeply research the subjects he discusses. Being single probably makes researching a lot easier. Not many spouses would be patient and understanding enough to tolerate all of the problems connected with controversial and esoteric research. I think that a supernatural battle is part of the deal. It's not just an intellectual matter. I continue to like listening to Jordan Maxwell and Bill Cooper, but they don't make me happy. In fact, I keep exposing myself to material which is really quite negative and troubling. But I try to find solutions in the midst of the turmoil, and once in a while I actually succeed. Unfortunately, I think I make a lot of individuals and groups - human and otherwise - terrestrial an extraterrestrial - LIVID. Just imagine how mad they might be if I weren't a completely ignorant fool!!! I'd be downright dangerous!!! What would Raven say???

I don't think we're going to be ready to ascend anytime soon...  

Just another note to the Powers That Be - Human or Otherwise - Terrestrial and Extraterrestrial:

Swanny wrote:

RedEzra wrote:

Swanny wrote:You say your god loves its people and its planet so much but it is allowing Fukushima to continue? That is an ELE.

That's right... that is an ELE. But it is foretold in the Bible that at the end of the age there would be trouble because of endemic evil. God once flushed the whole planet... but don't worry you are not the body but a soul who will survive this cleansing. What i would worry about is where i end up after.

Don't worry about me. I'm not living in fear, I'll be fine.

Pris wrote:

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BE THE OUROBOROS


WHAT DOORS WILL YOU OPEN?

"I am The Water of Life.  Out of myself I grow.
The more you drink of me, the fuller I will flow."


►http://aquariusthewaterbearer.com/



Distilled Waters Knowledge:  The true definition of Ouroboros
►http://aquariusthewaterbearer.com/distilled-waters-knowledge-the-true-definition-of-ouroboros/





What is Orin?
►http://aquariusthewaterbearer.com/what-is-orin/



Humans are Perpetual Motion Machines
►http://aquariusthewaterbearer.com/the-true-reason-for-the-release-of-orin-is-revealed/



Downloadable PDFs and links:
►http://aquariusthewaterbearer.com/the-water-library/
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JoeEcho wrote:The OUROBOROS is a fascinating symbol. It can be expounded on in so many ways. In fact, the quote "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." is imbeded in the ouroboros. Also: "Garbage in, Garbage out" (GIGO), the idea that in computing and other spheres, incorrect or poor quality input will always produce faulty output. There is no limit to the 'spheres' the ouroboros is applicable to. Nothing new ever enters a 'closed' system. Samsara:

Creation within creation is not creation but re-creation.
Those with limited perception think I'm doing nothing,
"Nay, I say, can't you see I'm re-creating?"  

Carol wrote:We drink rain water from out in the middle of the ocean. That's about as clean as it gets other then spring water. I read about Urine therapy back in the 90s and had wondered about it.

orthodoxymoron wrote:

I have a vivid childhood memory of a goat standing on a stump while drinking urine from his own %$#@!!!
It was at a family get-together in British Columbia, and my aunt said "Whatever Turns You On!!"
That Really Got My Goat!!

Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:I have a vivid childhood memory of a goat standing on a stump while drinking urine from his own %$#@!!! It was at a family get-together in British Columbia, and my aunt said "Whatever Turns You On!!" That Really Got My Goat!!

Lol amusing you are, Oxy. That goat of yours instinctively knew what was good for it.  I'll drink to that (but NOT with goat urine, thanks lol). Okay, back to business here...  This is about drinking one's own urine -- no one else's (and that includes goats!).  Your own urine is your body's own best medicine.  The only time it is suggested to drink someone else's urine is when that individual is so sick that they can't produce their own urine.  Then, other people's urine (preferably of the same sex because of hormones etc.) can be given until the sick person's own kidneys start to produce urine again.  Also, depending on the illness(s) and/or wound(s), other people's urine (including aged urine) can be applied topically to sick individuals to help out/encourage healing in the more rigorous aspects of urine therapy -- combination of taking urine internally (drinking) and externally (through the skin).
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As a  member of this forum, I have found that large signatures become very tedious
when you have to scroll over them repeatedly...

over and over

and over again...

It's kind of like being subjected to water torture.



Please, share your thoughts.
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Pris wrote:

mudra wrote: If you think this is torture you haven't lived anything yet   I like signatures in general .I noticed they tend to change. At times short and simple, at times  longer and colorful. They offer  variety and a way to see people's considerations change and evolve. A few personnal considerations regarding posts though:

I noticed I have I have less attraction for posts where there are few images and little or no text. Lengthy worded posts on the other hand tend to throw me off after a while unless clear and understandable and my interest is high for the subject being covered. Humor is fine. But by now I have seen so many cats in our gardens that I think I 'll go and look for the ladybirds and lilies for a while.

Love from me
mudra

I'm glad you're sharing your thoughts here, mudra!  I wish more people would. Hey, we all are kind of 'quirky' in our own ways.  Hurray, how wonderful.  This is about being as inclusive as possible. I'm amazed I've not been booted out of this forum yet.  Carol... wow, she's got some patience. I've been booted out of one forum and let myself out the door in a few others because they weren't quite so.... inclusive as this forum. Being able to state what one thinks and feels without being lynched by the mob is something I truly appreciate. Okay, this signature thing may seem like a somewhat silly problem to bring up, but I'm all for bringing up everything and anything.  So, here it is.
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Here's a few more of my own thoughts on the subject.  

Personally, I like having my little 'catch phrase' (related to 'Pris', Blade Runner... all that).  I've had the exact same avatar picture and the exact same signature since I first started doing the... forum circuit.  I'm NOT going to change my avatar pic as I've established that to be 'me' right from Day One (I don't want to confuse people by changing anything).  However, to make a point here, I've decided to change my signature.  This is meant to be temporary...  I've complained in the past and nothing happens.  Maybe if I have a large signature, too, people will see that this is really an annoying problem.  

Look, we all know who we're talking about here.  It's a SMALL forum.

Just because somebody's done something the same way for years doesn't mean it's okay.  We're all just supposed to 'get used to it'?  I've noticed everyone else, out of decency perhaps (to compensate perhaps), refraining from making a huge signature.

There's like a kind of unsaid, informal forum etiquette we all generally follow.  That restraint doesn't 'cramp my style'.  I've found many other ways to be 'original' around here.

Meanwhile, it's like we're all tip-toeing around the forum's one 'special needs person' because it's our responsibility to be nice.

When somebody makes thousands of posts, their signature (that's never changed since I've been here btw) gets to be a real pain in the arse to crawl over.

I realize that my posts aren't exactly 'light' at times with all the pictures and videos I post, but even my slow browser can handle it.

All annoyance aside, when somebody uses multiple video links plus pictures plus large blocks of text in a single post, over and over, repeated on the same page even, coupled with an extra large picture that gets repeatedly tacked on at the end, it really does slow my browser down.  Multiple videos are the worst.

To my delight and surprise, I recently noticed I've been quoted in a certain someone's thread post... and the post was looking really interesting, very insightful... but I couldn't even respond.  The page was so heavy my browser froze up and I had to kill it.
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Carol wrote:Stunning Footage Of American's Crumbling Infrastructure
Jun 18, 2017

It’s no secret that America’s infrastructure is in dire need of repairs. Earlier this year, America received her infrastructure report card from the American Society of Civil Engineers’ and received a repulsive D+. The ASCE guesstimates the US would need to spend $4.5 trillion by 2025 on infrastructure.

Here’s the breakdown of the report card:  

Aviation: D
Bridges: C+
Dams: D
Drinking Water: D
Energy: D+
Hazardous Waste: D+
Inland Waterways: D
Levees: D
Parks and Recreation: D+
Ports: C+
Rail: B
Roads: D
Schools: D
Solid Waste: C+
Transit: D-
Wastewater: D+

With that being said, I’ve spent the entire weekend inspecting America’s infrastructure at the Port of Baltimore.

At some locations, I was given special access to a behind the scenes view of America’s crumbling infrastructure that the public is not allowed to see. The reasons you’re left out of the know is because it destroys the mainstream narrative that everything is awesome.

Even Jack Ma, the founder of Alibaba Group says, “the US wasted trillions on warfare instead of investing in infrastructure”.

In the Sunday Edition, Alastair Williamson is on site at a marine terminal in the Port of Baltimore. He provides an interesting view of America’s deteriorating infrastructure blended with the current shape of the US economy.

In this video, Alastair is given special access to behind the scenes of America’s crumbling infrastructure. This view is rarely seen by the mainstream public. Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72gSKZ4tjLw

Carol wrote:

The Real Purpose Behind The Russian/Trump Conspiracy Propaganda
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-22/real-purpose-behind-russiantrump-conspiracy-propaganda
Jun 22, 2017
Authored by Brandon Smith via Alt-Market.com

Just after the US presidential election in 2016 I published an article titled 'Order Out Of Chaos: Defeat Of The Left Comes With A Cost', covering a rather difficult subject matter, namely the concept of “4th Generation Warfare” and how it is used by establishment elitists to defeat popular resistance to their agenda of centralization and globalization. 4th Gen tactics are confusing to many because most people think in terms of single movements and direct correlations; they think that a punch thrown is a punch intended to strike, rather than intended as a feint or misdirection.

I'll put it another way – some people play chess and they only see the attack in front of them. Others play chess and they see the attack three moves ahead. 4th gen warfare is a “three steps ahead” style of fighting that focuses on a very specific goal: Tricking the enemy into destroying himself, or enslaving himself, so that you don't have to take any risks by moving against him directly. That is to say, 4th gen warfare is first and foremost about psychology. That which you see with your eyes is usually not what is actually happening.

For example, when predicting the election win of Donald Trump and the passage of Brexit, I based my conclusions on a 4th gen strategy. According to the behavior and rhetoric of globalists and their organizations at the time, it seemed to me that they were allowing sovereignty and conservative movements to gain a foothold in the political arena. They were letting us THINK that we were winning.

This accomplishes a few things – it takes conservatives off their guard and convinces them to think in terms of defending government rather than overthrowing government. The corruption has not changed, but now we have a vested interest in keeping the system going and attempting to change it “from the inside”. I hope it is clear to the majority of liberty activists today that this is a naive notion.

Conservatives are also now willing to argue in favor of the election system, because many of them think that because Donald Trump “won” the system must be at least partially legitimate. News Flash: Our election system has been fraudulent for decades. The only candidates that ever make it past the DNC and the RNC filters are the candidates the elites WANT the public to choose from.

The American public is also now viciously divided over Trump's ascendance to the White House. The political left has been driven to the point of utter insanity, not that they weren't already stark raving mad to begin with. Conservatives are next to be targeted with psychological manipulation, as the leftist zealotry pushes us towards the other end of the spectrum and a potentially dangerous mindset of rationalizing a totalitarian response. Where extreme social divisions exist, civil unrest and war are not far behind.

Finally, the existing economic and social framework of the US in particular has a finite lifespan. Economic instability is rampant as I noted and evidenced in last week's article, and this has been a process ongoing since the initial 2008 credit and derivatives crisis. The old structure of America is being deliberately torn down to make way for a new structure; a single global edifice in which we are not a nation but a feudal vassal with no ideas of sovereign self determination. That said, the old world cannot be torn down outright. The globalists do not plan to take any blame for the crisis that would inevitably follow. Enter Trump, the perfect scapegoat for the next stage of fiscal collapse, and perhaps a pied piper convincing enough to lure numerous conservative groups into taking the blame as well.

Trump, a seeming enemy of the globalist agenda, takes office, then surrounds himself with the same bankers and globalists he admonished during his campaign. He continues his anti-globalist rhetoric, but his actions tend to help them. Conservatives, desperate for a hero on a white horse to ride in and stop the rushing tide of cultural Marxism, were given one... just not in the manner they were hoping for.

In the meantime, the establishment has sought to keep social tensions high. How? The political left has been played like a marionette since the election with a narrative of "Russian conspiracy". You see, hatred is psychologically exhausting. Mobs tend to dissipate and become impotent over time. It is hard to sustain the hatred of a large mass of people without consistent propaganda. Thus, it is important to give people a reason to hate; a reason that fuels perpetual reinforcement. For leftists, the desire to hate Trump runs deep. They think he represents everything that stands in opposition to their ideology, and zealots cannot tolerate the existence of opposing ideals. But there has to be more. The left has to be convinced that Trump is a thief, a thief so heinous that he stole an election with the help of a foreign power.

Now, not only is Trump the anti-christ to leftists, he is also a false president – a pretender to the throne. This narrative is more than enough to keep the left frothing at the mouth for months if not years.

As many analysts have pointed out, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Trump “stole” the election, let alone colluded with the Russian government to steal the election. Former FBI director James Comey's recent testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee produced nothing; no memos, no paper trail, zip, zilch. The very existence of the “Comey memos” is likely a farce.

But here is where I break with many in the liberty movement – some analysts assume that Trump is being “targeted” and that the goal is to remove him from the White House. This makes little sense to me. If the elites wanted to stop Trump they would have done it during the RNC selection process just as they did to Ron Paul, and just as the DNC did to Bernie Sanders.

Clearly, Trump is more valuable to them sitting in the Oval Office, as I outlined above. The Russian circus is going nowhere because it was never meant to go anywhere. It is distraction and drama, a soap opera for the ignorant masses. Trump will not be removed from office. If he does end up impeached, the impeachment will fail. As I have said since before the election, the establishment needs Trump as president.

So, if I am correct and the Russian conspiracy narrative is not intended to take Trump down, what is it intended for? As stated earlier, this is 4th gen warfare, and the intended target for propaganda is not always the obvious target.

As noted, Leftists are the initial target. They will continue to believe that Trump is a Russian collaborator because they want to believe it, regardless of how absurd the whole idea is. They will ignore the fact that there is no evidence to support the accusation. They will embrace the propaganda wholeheartedly and develop more violent methods to express their outrage.

The secondary target of the Russian conspiracy manipulation is conservative groups.

Here is the reality of our predicament; the US system is going to move into the next phase of collapse under Trump's watch. Period. The math is undeniable. Every economic indicator except stocks is in severe decline, the Federal Reserve is raising interest rates to deliberately ignite greater instability and time is running out. I believe that this phase will begin before the end of 2017. When the next downturn arrives on the doorstep and in the pocketbooks of the average American, the leftists and most of the world will blame Trump as an “incompetent buffoon” or a “vitriolic fascist”.

Just as the elites need to make Trump and conservatives the best possible scapegoat for the left; they also need a perfect scapegoat for the political right. The narrative will be turned against the leftists and conservatives will exclaim that Trump was not able to reverse economic damages “created by the Obama administration” because leftists used the fake Russian conspiracy as a means to undermine him at every opportunity. Leftists will be labeled economic and political saboteurs, and this accusation will work to a point, because it is partly true.

Finally, as America's decline accelerates, Eastern nations will without a doubt decouple completely from the US dollar as the world reserve currency and begin using the IMF Special Drawing Rights basket structure as a replacement. Russia will most likely lead this charge along with China. Americans will blame Russia in part for the demise of the dollar's buying power around the world. And, the rest of the world will blame the U.S. for the dollar's demise due to U.S. “imperialism” and overt sanctions against Russia. They will say we had it coming.

Perhaps you have noticed a particular pattern here? Every piece of the narrative I have outlined has already been initiated, if perhaps only in early-to-mid stages of development. This is an open dialogue common in the mainstream. And in every case, the offered culprit behind the downfall of America is always someone other than the banking elites. Anyone other than the banking elites.

THE BLAME GAME

Leftists and socialists around the globe will blame Trump and conservative principles. Conservatives will blame the left and their obstructions of Trump. The West will blame the East. Globalists will blame “populists” and nationalists, and nationalists will be scrambling to protect their ground by any means necessary, including unconstitutional measures, which will only help the globalists in the long run.

A core catalyst for this geopolitical blame game is the Trump presidency and the use of the Russian conspiracy to ensure that the left remains crazy, inspiring the right towards extreme measures. Again, this is not about removing Trump, it is about manipulating the left; it is about using the Left's cultural Marxism to trigger an iron-fisted reaction from the political right.

In my recent article 'Operation Temperer - U.K. Will Likely Institute Martial Law Measures Within A Year', I warned readers that the UK government has already set in motion martial law measures in response to a growing number of Islamic terrorist attacks. In the US, I think the same march towards totalitarianism will occur, but for reasons beyond foreign terrorism. Economic uncertainty coupled with a volatile left hellbent on supplanting the presidency by any means necessary may very well be exploited by Trump and the elites surrounding him to establish martial law measures in the US. And, I have little doubt that a portion of conservatives will cheer this action.

If this takes place and conservatives come out in majority support, then the globalist use of 4th Gen warfare will have succeeded. They will have won. For if conservatives abandon the constitution, then no one will be left to defend the principles and heritage it represents. We will have destroyed ourselves, and the elites will have barely lifted a finger to make this happen. The game can be changed entirely, but only if we are smart enough to recognize the narrative for what it is, and only if we turn our sights on the globalists instead of hyperfocusing on the scapegoats they offer us.

RedEzra wrote:

Everything will be fine... we'll just put this fig leaf in front of it and hide... ssshhh

Man where are you ? Why are you hiding ? Who told you that you were naked ?
Have you eaten from the tree whose fruit I commanded you not to eat ?

Well the woman you gave to be with me... she made me eat. Nay the snake made me eat...

Then the blame game began... always somebody else's fault.
I just did what i was told to do... how can that be my fault ?

And when nobody takes responsibility for their actions... then this is
how evil propagates and eventually infests the whole world.

RedEzra wrote:If we just cover up our lost innocence and hide from God then everything will be fine... and this is what masons continue to do with an apron. They think they are still in hiding from God... ssshhh secrecy is the key to not be found out. God can call as much as God want but we will not come... We will make the world in our way with a lot of help from that subtil snake... the most cunning crafty creature God ever made. After all we can thank that snake for our reasoning... and where would we be without reason ?

So the masons have been working for a long time to mold the world in such a way that most will welcome their personal liberator... whom of course God came to save us from.

Masons are the continuation and modern version of the medieval Knights Templar who in their crusades came under the spell of islam... so slowly but surely the aristocratic Knights Templar from strongholds in especially Scotland and Portugal gained estates and eventually Empires. Today the Knights Templar or masons above a certain degree are the movers and shakers and policy makers of most of the world.

And as we can understand by geopolitical events past and present they want to erase everything that reminds them of God... which means Judeochristianity. The catholic church has been taken over a long time ago and is now working with the masons... but it will probably be backstabbed and destroyed beause it still somewhat stinks of God.

orthodoxymoron wrote:Well-Said, Red. I obviously want things to be better, but what if our Bad-Past has somehow been necessary?? What if the Real-God farmed-out the Management of Humanity to the Bad Guy and/or Gal?? Unfortunately, it seems as if more lessons must be learned in the context of This Present Madness. I SO Hope I'm Wrong.

  LET THERE BE LIGHT WORKERS!

Namaste and Have a Nice Day!  

RedEzra wrote:

Hey who are you ?
I'm your neighbour
Ahaha so you're an illusion

Hey who are you ?
I'm an angel
Ahaha so you're just an illusion

Hey who are you ?
I'm God
Ahaha so you're the first illusion

No I'm not going away like in never ever
Ahaha oops ahaha

Son what can we do with this one ?
With whom ?

RedEzra wrote:Our imagination simply shuts down or simplify reality into abstract absurdities when trying to comprehend the origin of earth life and universe. So God's problem is that God is simply too great... and our imagination cannot but belittle God (which we are great at). We make God in our image... and imagine that reality must conform to our imagination. We do this all the time with people as well... it's called prejudice.

The human body for example at the cellular level is so breathtaking complicated that i cry as i type this because i accidentally poked my eye... and invisible to the naked eye within microscopic cells is DNA encoded with genetic information on how to build biological life forms. By every human standard even a single cell is amazing... so a whole body of them in the flight of an eagle or the grace of a gazelle is awfully amazing.

So when trying to talk about the author and encoder of life... words stumble like stones out of our mouths. There is nothing we can say to capture God's greatness. But we ought not be apprehensive of God just because God is great... like don't hate me because i'm beautiful.

RedEzra wrote:The scientific theory of evolution has been pushed as a plausible scenario... which has liberated a lot of people from God. Finally someone came up with an idea backed by scientists which makes God a person non grata or a non topic. Brilliant no more boring old morals... life is what we make of it.

The theory of evolution... as in theory and not reality... so are we supposed to base our believes in an idea not proven to be fact ?

But it got a scientific stamp of approval... yes but so do fluoride in the water and aspartame in our food and vaccines in our bodies and on and on... so what is approved by science is actually harmful to human health.

Well let's call it all an illusion then... so long as we don't have to consider a conscious God like being creating us. But our bodies are not and cannot be an illusion... because the amount of thought or information encoded within our DNA and the decoding building and working of trillions of cells in functional harmony is simply too complicated to be a simple illusion.

Intelligence has no choice but to acknowledge God... who is infinitely greater than our imagination... and that's perfectly alright.

RedEzra wrote:God has made disparaging statements about LGBT... which do not go down well with a lot of Homos in powerful corporate or political positions... so they got together and came up with an agenda to make Homo erectus out of everybody. The theory of evolution is an important part of this push to substitute God's morals with a caveman mentality.

It's very bizzare to watch the unfolding of this social program which they call progress because it actually makes everything worse.

Perhaps the most absurd aspect is that this is nothing new... since history shows this is how civilisations collapse. God got a lot of tools in His workbox to turn an empire into ruins. And this is what i perceive is coming... an end of the world as we know it.

But before God returns... there will be a war where angels who have given Homos angel tech will be thrown down to earth. And this is probably about to happen soon since the Book of Revelation chapter 12 (where we read about it) also seems to depict an astronomical mark in time... namely at the new moon in September 2017 which falls on the Feast of Trumpets.

And for 3.5 years a brave new world will emerge out of the ashes of the old one... and everybody must be marked by the governing enemies of God in order to buy and sell and basically live.

And I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write
Blessed are the dead
Those who die in the Lord from this moment on
Yes says the Spirit
for they will rest from their labors and their deeds will follow them
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RedEzra wrote:George Orwell's dystopian novel 1984 mentored and published by a member of the famous Warburg family... where one of them is on congressional record stating that...

"We shall have world government, whether or not we like it. The question is only whether world government will be achieved by consent or by conquest." - James Warburg - 1950

... describes in detail the system in which we live with perpetual war public manipulation and government surveillance... designed and controlled by a privileged elite.

NANUXII wrote: taking into account all possibilities the notion of a repeated return of a savior is either fact or fiction. The question is was this story of christ injected as a proven means to keep us mystified ?  it seems to be working on some of us ...  but i look at this world as a whole and when i do i wonder if someone so brilliant as a god that invented and created this planet and all its amazing diversity could let it all go to the lions ?  

i mean it is so far ... so what is the purpose of this god ?  to watch us over millions of years become nothing more than redundant ? is that the intelligence of god ?  is he that intelligent that he designed something to fail ?  

or is the maelstrom of chance and chaos of an un regulated and diverse future of evolution to blame ?  

evolution happens , unless god comes in and changes plants and animals to adapt to their environment ?  

lemon trees , why is it that some citrus trees have thorns ?    what is the purpose of it ?   some that believe in evolution would say the plant over time devised a safety mechanism to ward off predators.  But if a god made this tree why do some have thorns and some do not ?    and if a god made this tree why would it have predators ... and why would it have thorns ?   is that not a contradiction in design ?  i mean if you could design something so amazing as this earth and all its diversity , wouldnt you know that some things will conflict with others ?  and of course with that much intelligence you would know .. but yet you let it happen  

i feel that those that think this was all created by god are saying by virtue of historical experience that god is a sadist and maybe they refer to lucifer as their god who has created this reality.

the conflicts on this planet ,.,, have they been designed by god to amuse ?  what is the purpose of this intelligent design thats incredibly flawed ? and it is flawed.

so the bibles notion of peace on earth ... was that a hopeful gesture in the face of god who intelligently designed a place of chaos ?

only evolution could account for such random diversity not only in matter but in mind.

this does not mean there is not a god ... it only means our understanding of it needs re thinking.  

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RedEzra wrote:Life on earth is just about 6000 years old and is trapped in time and entropy... so given enough time life on earth will eventually be exhausted and extinct because of entropy.

The theory of evolution supposes that in a chemical urheimat soup a living cell came into being and slowly but surely over a very very long time evolved into more and more complex species... so according to evolution we can all trace our line back to an amoeba... which is of course silly and in fact impossible in a universe governed by the second law of thermodynamics.

Biological life forms can adapt to the environment and cause variations within species and also humanity has a history of crossbreeding variations within species as well.

Life on earth as it is was never ment to last forever because physicality is trapped in time and entropy... unlike 'God and ethereal angels who are eternal. We got about 6000 years of recorded history all the way back to our first parents who lived with God... but there were some sons of God who perhaps because of pride jealousy and desire mingled and mated with women and made a hybrid human-angelic bloodline.

We know them as the blue bloods... the aristocrazy who is the power behind most kingdoms... they have always ruled because they can trace their line back to an angel. They are in enmity with God and humans who are not hybrids. But they are running out of time and have ramped up their animosity against the inferior human cattle or cockroaches as they are known to call us.

RedEzra wrote:They know some sort of catastrophe is coming... and that's why they've been busy digging safe spaces underground. They've known about this for some time as the Georgia Guidestones were erected on March 22 1980. And 322 is the number of the Skull and Bones which insignia is the Totenkopf of the Third Reich.

The nazis just went underground or into the abyss from where they again will ascend to govern the whole world after some sort of catastrophe. Their scientific advances and weapon technology will be unmatched by the rest of the world combined. Who can wage war against the beast ?

And so they will continue where they left off over 70 years ago with at the head some sort of Hitler 2.0 who was an archetype of the end time antichrist.

So in this new order the future does not look so bright for neither jews nor christians... but everybody must be marked and tagged to buy and sell in this global world of control. It's just that acceptance of this mark or allegiance to this system will condemn our souls to ethereal hell.

And after 3.5 years of this new world order Jesus will return to war with and end His enemies. Perhaps they think that their weapon technology can stand a chance against God ? As silly as it sounds i think they may think that...

Swanny wrote: Your gods are only aliens so maybe their weapons do stand a chance

NANUXII wrote:I am constantly puzzled by evolution and how it works , i truly believe that the god i have come to know devised evolution as a method of creating chance by virtue of giving a cell the right to create its own destiny. By historical and scientific fact we see this in so many examples.

Below is an excerpt from the BBC on how primal cells evolved by ingesting bacteria , when left to its own devices in peace to form , which resounds a god like model , it has become more than what it started as well over 2 billion years ago.

I am also looking at the original texts from the Mason library on the story of Hiram Abiff and the origins of the Mason movement started 1000 BC showing the secret of solomons temple that Hiram held was envied by 3 men who tried to get him to tell them the code word of solomons temple.

Hiram held fast as he was killed by the three men and the secret was not given to the evil of man. I am in favor of believing something was known to few that gave them an advantage in life. Knowledge , wisdom and an appreciation of the reality of existence.  if god were to create man in his own image why was it that some got better knowledge than others ?  i believe firmly that the god we have traditionally referred to is actually on numerous accounts an alien being or group that for whatever reason wanted to experiment and change our species... perhaps they were the gods we refer to that created humans in their own image.

This creationist theory rings true in that regard and i firmly believe that is the case. What i also believe is that the god referred to in historical texts was inserted to create one focal point of change. Pre christian history we find that there were indeed many gods. The greek historical writings that pre date the bible by thousands of years depict many differing gods and masters. Were these gods all disciples of the conglomerate god energy matrix ?  

And i often ponder why the change from many god's to a one god theory around the time of christ...  did an evolution of thinking take place ?  did we eventually discover that the god matrix is an extension of many great spirits becoming one ?  so that the one god has the power and wisdom of so many...  

If those of good intention and faith are to be seated by god, then it would make sense these good souls have a purpose for being there. It makes sense to me that after a pius life we are rewarded with some sort of ability to contribute to how we all get along.

The following video asks some questions that i find interesting. In this we find luciferian culture being posed as a god. The trick is that lucifer is touted as the bringer of light ... but in my experience lucifer is the ruler of fire.

The four corners , the four elements , the cross , not the crucifix , a crucifix is a symbol of lucifer.  be educated , see where we really are today.

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orthodoxymoron wrote:Consider Human and Non-Human Physicality, Psychology, Ethics, Business, Law, and Law-Enforcement from Antiquity to Modernity. How things are going presently might be somewhat irrelevant regarding the Legitimacy of the Whole Solar-System Operation in Antiquity and Modernity. If this Solar System was stolen in antiquity (complete with Mass-Murder), success in modernity does NOT justify and/or excuse the iniquities of the past and present. Or am I wrong??

I continue to think that History and the Bible MUST be considered in the context of Hypothetical Star-Wars in antiquity and modernity. I knew a very-good person who said "We Don't Need a Book to Know How to Live." I disagreed. I think we need a smaller and better book than the Bible to know how to live in modernity, but who gets to write such a book?? I've tried to think in terms of Job through Malachi and Luke through Jude as being a Minimalist-Traditionalist Approach to Judeo-Christianity as being a "Smaller and Better Book" to guide us in modernity (without throwing the Bible out with the Baby and the Bathwater). The nastiness in most of the rest of the Bible is truly troubling, and does NOT seem to properly represent a God of Love and Righteousness.

I suspect a One Solar System Government for at least the past 6,000 years, which has controlled EVERYTHING (Good, Bad, Theistic, Atheistic, Protestant, Catholic, Democrat, Republican, Communist, and Capitalist) for Better or Worse, I Know Not. I don't know what I want. I don't know what to do. I mostly just want to watch, research, and reflect from a 600 square-foot Room with a View and a Cray, but an Absolute-Access Pass would be a nice perk for a Completely Ignorant Fool. What if we need to keep the Good Guy and/or Gal separated from the Bad Guy and/or Gal?? Might this involve a Cold-Spiritual Info-War?? Who REALLY wrote Sympathy for the Devil?? Who Was That Ancient Egyptian Deity?? Alphabet-Agent or Real-Deal?? RA = LUCIFER?? Damned If I Know.

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RedEzra wrote:There is an insurmountable difference between God and everybody else because God is uncreated and everybody else is created.

Dog, created in opposition. Nothing can oppose that which is unmade. So then, what was made?

RedEzra wrote:Our only option is to live together with God in family and fellowship... as it is impossible to merge or melt into God. Relationship is what God want with us.

A subservient relationship is a relationship ultimately designed for repeated failure. If there is no subservience then there is no god. Are you saying your god is a failure?

RedEzra wrote:God is the Creator of creation... and angels or aliens and man and animals are all part of God's creation. There actually is a Being who created everything and everybody... and that's just awfully amazing. Islam got one thing right and that is God is Great.

With all the power of imagination and emotion a human being can muster... man is still a being created by God. Some like to think that they somehow are or can be God but not much could be further from the truth. God is above and beyond every angel man and animal ever made.

There are only two options... and that is fellowship with God forever or forever not fellowship with God.

Every time i mention God i mean the Three Persons who make up the Godhead. And no that's none of us.

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mudra wrote:

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Here's a few more of my own thoughts on the subject.  

All annoyance aside, when somebody uses multiple video links plus pictures plus large blocks of text in a single post, over and over, repeated on the same page even, coupled with an extra large picture that gets repeatedly tacked on at the end, it really does slow my browser down.  Multiple videos are the worst.

To my delight and surprise, I recently noticed I've been quoted in a certain someone's thread post... and the post was looking really interesting, very insightful... but I couldn't even respond.  The page was so heavy my browser froze up and I had to kill it.
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Now that you stated  clearly what the problem is I understand and realize how this can be annoying. It would be interesting to know whether you are the only one encountering it or if more people are concerned. I don't remember  having to bear with a slow down for that specific reason myself when I use my computer. The Glitches and Bugs sub forum would be the right place to debate the matter I believe. Hope you find some fruitful solution.  

Love from me
mudra

Oh good!  I keep forgetting that 'middle-grounders' and 'left-brainers' need more evidence/proof.  Those particular posts really do slow my browser down... Maybe it's because I'm on a more... antiquated system (and I've got a zillion tabs open which doesn't help).  So, when those heavy posts finally do load up on my page, it's like a proverbial back-handed slap in the face every time with that last picture tacked on there.  I've been psychologically damaged.

I'm worried though... on a side note... A certain someone's not been here for a few days.  Hope everything's okay.  If not, the timing of this thread would really suck.

UPDATE:  just checked, a certain someone just showed up, phew.
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mudra wrote:Pris why taking the big tour with gloves on when you could submit the matter to Oxy directly. Oxy at times complains of people showing no interest for his threads but you are going there and interact with him. I would think he appreciates this and would be ready to make you a favor by breaking his long posts down into several shorter ones and... god knows what

Love from me
mudra

Pris wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:I have a vivid childhood memory of a goat standing on a stump while drinking urine from his own %$#@!!! It was at a family get-together in British Columbia, and my aunt said "Whatever Turns You On!!" That Really Got My Goat!!

Lol amusing you are, Oxy. That goat of yours instinctively knew what was good for it.  I'll drink to that (but NOT with goat urine, thanks lol). Okay, back to business here...  This is about drinking one's own urine -- no one else's (and that includes goats!).  Your own urine is your body's own best medicine.  The only time it is suggested to drink someone else's urine is when that individual is so sick that they can't produce their own urine.  Then, other people's urine (preferably of the same sex because of hormones etc.) can be given until the sick person's own kidneys start to produce urine again.  Also, depending on the illness(s) and/or wound(s), other people's urine (including aged urine) can be applied topically to sick individuals to help out/encourage healing in the more rigorous aspects of urine therapy -- combination of taking urine internally (drinking) and externally (through the skin).
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As a  member of this forum, I have found that large signatures become very tedious
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It's kind of like being subjected to water torture.



Please, share your thoughts.
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mudra wrote: If you think this is torture you haven't lived anything yet   I like signatures in general .I noticed they tend to change. At times short and simple, at times  longer and colorful. They offer  variety and a way to see people's considerations change and evolve. A few personnal considerations regarding posts though:

I noticed I have I have less attraction for posts where there are few images and little or no text. Lengthy worded posts on the other hand tend to throw me off after a while unless clear and understandable and my interest is high for the subject being covered. Humor is fine. But by now I have seen so many cats in our gardens that I think I 'll go and look for the ladybirds and lilies for a while.

Love from me
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I'm glad you're sharing your thoughts here, mudra!  I wish more people would. Hey, we all are kind of 'quirky' in our own ways.  Hurray, how wonderful.  This is about being as inclusive as possible. I'm amazed I've not been booted out of this forum yet.  Carol... wow, she's got some patience. I've been booted out of one forum and let myself out the door in a few others because they weren't quite so.... inclusive as this forum. Being able to state what one thinks and feels without being lynched by the mob is something I truly appreciate. Okay, this signature thing may seem like a somewhat silly problem to bring up, but I'm all for bringing up everything and anything.  So, here it is.
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Pris wrote:.
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Here's a few more of my own thoughts on the subject.  

Personally, I like having my little 'catch phrase' (related to 'Pris', Blade Runner... all that).  I've had the exact same avatar picture and the exact same signature since I first started doing the... forum circuit.  I'm NOT going to change my avatar pic as I've established that to be 'me' right from Day One (I don't want to confuse people by changing anything).  However, to make a point here, I've decided to change my signature.  This is meant to be temporary...  I've complained in the past and nothing happens.  Maybe if I have a large signature, too, people will see that this is really an annoying problem.  

Look, we all know who we're talking about here.  It's a SMALL forum.

Just because somebody's done something the same way for years doesn't mean it's okay.  We're all just supposed to 'get used to it'?  I've noticed everyone else, out of decency perhaps (to compensate perhaps), refraining from making a huge signature.

There's like a kind of unsaid, informal forum etiquette we all generally follow.  That restraint doesn't 'cramp my style'.  I've found many other ways to be 'original' around here.

Meanwhile, it's like we're all tip-toeing around the forum's one 'special needs person' because it's our responsibility to be nice.

When somebody makes thousands of posts, their signature (that's never changed since I've been here btw) gets to be a real pain in the arse to crawl over.

I realize that my posts aren't exactly 'light' at times with all the pictures and videos I post, but even my slow browser can handle it.

All annoyance aside, when somebody uses multiple video links plus pictures plus large blocks of text in a single post, over and over, repeated on the same page even, coupled with an extra large picture that gets repeatedly tacked on at the end, it really does slow my browser down.  Multiple videos are the worst.

To my delight and surprise, I recently noticed I've been quoted in a certain someone's thread post... and the post was looking really interesting, very insightful... but I couldn't even respond.  The page was so heavy my browser froze up and I had to kill it.
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Pris wrote:

mudra wrote:

Pris wrote:.
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Here's a few more of my own thoughts on the subject.  

All annoyance aside, when somebody uses multiple video links plus pictures plus large blocks of text in a single post, over and over, repeated on the same page even, coupled with an extra large picture that gets repeatedly tacked on at the end, it really does slow my browser down.  Multiple videos are the worst.

To my delight and surprise, I recently noticed I've been quoted in a certain someone's thread post... and the post was looking really interesting, very insightful... but I couldn't even respond.  The page was so heavy my browser froze up and I had to kill it.
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Now that you stated  clearly what the problem is I understand and realize how this can be annoying. It would be interesting to know whether you are the only one encountering it or if more people are concerned. I don't remember  having to bear with a slow down for that specific reason myself when I use my computer. The Glitches and Bugs sub forum would be the right place to debate the matter I believe. Hope you find some fruitful solution.  

Love from me
mudra

Oh good!  I keep forgetting that 'middle-grounders' and 'left-brainers' need more evidence/proof.  Those particular posts really do slow my browser down... Maybe it's because I'm on a more... antiquated system (and I've got a zillion tabs open which doesn't help).  So, when those heavy posts finally do load up on my page, it's like a proverbial back-handed slap in the face every time with that last picture tacked on there.  I've been psychologically damaged.

I'm worried though... on a side note... A certain someone's not been here for a few days.  Hope everything's okay.  If not, the timing of this thread would really suck.

UPDATE:  just checked, a certain someone just showed up, phew.
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mudra wrote:Pris why taking the big tour with gloves on when you could submit the matter to Oxy directly. Oxy at times complains of people showing no interest for his threads but you are going there and interact with him. I would think he appreciates this and would be ready to make you a favor by breaking his long posts down into several shorter ones and... god knows what

Love from me
mudra

mudra wrote:Hello Oxy,

As I came to your thread today it took me 3 minutes to be able to scroll down the last page of your thread. And I am on high speed bandwidth ! Imagine what this means to people who have a lower speed one ? Actually this is the case for Pris apparently that is unable to reach the point of answering some of your posts although she wants to. According to her some other people complained about this as well. The large picture files you post as well as the multiple videos that come in a  row are responsible for the freezing screen.

You oftened complained that your threads receive no interest from members but take a moment and consider the above may well be a reason for this. Having to wait to be able to read any of your posts at all is quite dissuasive.

Mercuriel not being around we are really left with our own to handle such matters through communication only. Would you be so kind as taking this into account and handle things accordingly. Just making your posts shorter of so many pictures as well as multiple videos in a row would help a LOT.

Thank You Oxy
Love from me
mudra