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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:41 pm

    Here is a comment which I posted on another thread which is relevant to this thread:

    I have a fascination regarding cathedrals and pipe-organs. The whole temple and worship concept goes way back into antiquity. Lucifer was supposedly the chief musician in 'heaven'. If 'heaven' is really the Pleiades...perhaps there were cathedrals and pipe organs in the Pleiades...and Lucifer brought the whole theological concept...including temples, cathedrals, pipe-organs, and worship...from the Pleiades to Aldebaran...then to Sirius...and finally to Earth. As above...so below. I guess I'm seeing two rival 'gods' leading a civil war. Are the Annunaki and Dracs mercenary interdimensional warriors and laborers? Was the Pleiadian 'god' instrumental in the destruction of Atlantis? Did the Luciferian 'god' take the Atlantian civilization underground? Is this Giza Intelligence? Are there underground mansions, cathedrals, libraries, and museums...combined with military bases and stargate temples? Does Lucifer (or equivalent) possess the ability to end most life on Earth through 'Earth Changes'? Is alien technology really ancient Pleiadian technology? I'm beginning to think so. The exact composition and motivations of the various secret factions are obviously unknown. My guess is that there may be three major factions...two theocratic (one Pleiadian and one Aldebaran Luciferian)...and one Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom faction.

    Hitler may very well have been a regular visitor to this underground or inner Earth realm. This may also be true for the Popes. I don't know. This is all just wild speculation. But studying the Nazi phenomenon may be the real window into what is going on.

    When Henry Kissenger was learning about the 'alien presence' he worked night and day...and wouldn't communicate with anyone...not even his wife. What he was learning must have been devastating. It couldn't have been good. Notice that certain key people, such as Henry Kissinger and Zbigniew Brzezinski (both Jason Scholar study directors)...who presumably know the complete story...quietly direct the Presidents...administration after administration. The Presidents presumably do not know the complete story...with the possible exception of George H.W. Bush.

    Once again...I just want the secrecy to end...I want all hard core regressive beings (human and non-human) to leave this solar system...and I want the solar system to be based upon namaste constitutional responsible freedom. That should correct most of the major ills...regardless of who is presently running things or which et's are good or bad. If this works...other star systems might try doing this as well. Is this too much to ask?

    Can't we at least discuss various possibilites regarding the ownership and governance of this solar system? Aren't these two of the most important issues we could possibly consider? Who owns Solar System, Inc? Who is the CEO? Is the CEO a Nine Foot Tall Draconian Reptilian? Who are the Board of Directors? Who are the Shareholders?

    We 'pale faces' acted as though the Native Americans didn't own anything. Native Homeland Security has been doing a lousy job since 1492. Is the concept of private property a bad concept? Is working for just compensation a bad concept? Is communism a good concept? Should a lazy and stupid person live just as well as a hard working and wise person?

    My economic ideal is a stratified middle class...without extreme poverty or extreme wealth. If capitalism were truly responsible and well refereed...I think this would be the case. Corrupt and irresponsible capitalism is killing us. Baseball and football games have rules and referees. Why does capitalism always seem like the wild, wild west...dominated by outlaws? Where's the damn sheriff? Oh I forgot...he got paid-off.

    I'm liking the concept of the first post more and more...even if there are no aliens. I'm actually going to try to back away from the alien/spirit stuff for awhile...and concentrate on business and world news. I've started watching Bloomberg and BBC...and I'm reading the Wall Street Journal again. These are important sources to consider if we really want a non-corrupt, non-theocratic united world. I don't want to be alarmist or paranoid. I just want to be a productive part of a responsible, peaceful, and free humanity.

    I will continue to issue a challenge regarding determining who really owns the Solar System...who really is in charge...and regarding the best form of governance. These are very, very important issues...yet few seem to care.

    Jordan Maxwell may be right...judging from the participation on this thread. You know what I'm talking about.

    There is something attractive about the the names United Nations and New World Order. They seem to imply a world at peace, with liberty and justice for all! Sigh! But sometimes things are not what they seem. Sometimes reality is exactly the opposite of that which is advertised. The UN and NWO are often described as Not being in the best interest of the United States and the principles upon which our country was founded, namely Freedom and Responsibility. A centralized dictatorship is often hinted at, with the United States at the back of the bus!

    Allow me to suggest a True World Order (TWO). You guessed it, there are TWO components to the True World Order:

    1. The Constitution of the United States of America.

    2. The Red Letter Teachings of Jesus Christ.

    And again, you guessed it, there are TWO underlying unifying principles:

    1. Freedom.

    2. Responsibility.

    The True World Order would be, and should be already, implemented here in the United States, and by example, not by coercion, the TWO would theoretically spread throughout the whole world! TWO would be a humble-minimalist-decentralized world order rather than an arrogant-theocratic-centralized world order.

    Including the Red Letter Teachings of Jesus Christ is not a violation of the Establishment Clause of the Constitution of the United States. Jesus does not call for the establishment of a literal traditional church. Just the opposite! Jesus calls for Christ-likeness, not ritual-traditional Churchianity. Respecting the words of Jesus, especially regarding the principles of freedom and responsibility, are a supreme safeguard against the establishment of any state church!

    This country and our world has yet to see the responsible implementation of the Constitution of the United States and the Red Letter Teachings of Jesus. They are TWO sides of the same gold coin, a gold standard, and allow for a responsible pluralism. Minimalist Government and Religion. What a concept! The idea is 2,000 years old. The idea is so old that it's new! TWO is #1! Go 2 4 Freedom!

    class...Class...CLASS...SHUDDUP! Thank-you!

    Question: When does church + state + people = a bad thing?
    Answer:

    Corrupt Centralized Coercive Government (Constitution Ignored!)
    + Corrupt Centralized Coercive Church (Teachings of Jesus Ignored!)
    + Oppressed Irresponsible Citizens (Constitution and Teachings of Jesus Ignored!)
    = HELL ON EARTH!

    Question: When does church + state + people = a good thing?
    Answer:

    Non-Corrupt Decentralized Minimalist Government (Constitution Followed!)
    + Non-Corrupt Decentralized Minimalist Church (Teachings of Jesus Followed!)
    + Free Responsible Citizens (Constitution and Teachings of Jesus Followed!)
    = HEAVEN ON EARTH!

    Do the Math!
    Any Questions?
    Lesson Learned?
    Class Dismissed!!

    I just want to add that I desire to retain the best of all religions and governmental systems...in an organized decentralism...which gives the power to the people...rather than to a central exalted committee, person, or god. I appreciate the efforts of leaders throughout all of universal history...who have tried to do the right thing. I'd just like to see Planet Earth make a logical and orderly transition into a responsible and free united world. I do not wish to demonize anyone...even if they have made terrible mistakes or have become incredibly corrupt. We just need to move on to bigger and better things. All of us are part of the problem. All of us are part of the solution.

    1. www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IvPIWzQcUYYouTube- The Great Dictator - speech
    2. www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzw6GiqZyD0&NR=1YouTube- We Are The World - Michael Jackson Lionel Richie Cindy Lauper Steve Wonder Bruce Springsteen...

    There comes a time when we heed a certain call
    When the world must come together as one
    There are people dying
    And its time to lend a hand to life
    The greatest gift of all
    We cant go on pretending day by day
    That someone, somewhere will soon make a change
    We are all part of gods great big family
    And the truth, you know, love is all we need
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    Send them your heart
    So theyll know that someone cares
    And their lives will be stronger and free
    As God has shown us by turning stones to bread
    So we all must lend a helping hand
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    There's a choice were making
    Were saving our own livesl
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    When youre down and out, there seems no hope at all
    But if you just believe theres no way we can fall
    Well, well, well, well let us realize that a change can only come
    When we stand together as one
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    Alright let me hear ya
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a brighter day
    Just you and me
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me
    We are the world, we are the children
    We are the ones who make a brighter day
    So lets start giving
    Theres a choice were making
    Were saving our own lives
    Its true well make a better day
    Just you and me

    OK...I'm looking for rival proposals regarding Solar System Governance (SSG). How should this Solar System be run? Who should run it? Who presently owns and operates this Solar System? Are these important questions...or not?

    I'm going to keep requesting rival proposals for the governance of our Solar System. This is probably the most important issue facing us...yet there seems to be very little interest. It seems to me that we are sitting-ducks for enslavement and extermination. Are we incapable of ruling ourselves? This has been suggested to me on the internet...by someone who didn't sound like they were an Earth Human. Could they be right? Please consider and discuss this important issue...and prove them wrong. Could it be that we don't even want to rule ourselves? I hope the holes at the poles are well lubricated...

    An organized and rational forum for decision making (especially on the macro-level) will probably always be necessary. Perfected beings might not require government as we know it...but how many perfected beings have you seen walking around lately?

    Work, money, private-property, and commerce in general...are not bad things. Corruption and Irresponsibility are bad things. It is important to not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Constructive Competition is a good thing. If you don't believe in competition...then just agree with everything I say...and stop competing!

    When you surrender to the divine will...make sure you are not surrendering and submitting to ET.

    I've always had a problem with competition. I'm really not very competitive. Add the mixed messages in Christianity regarding competition...and I've turned out to be one very confused dude. My attempted resolution is to dump most of Christianity...and to focus on the core principle of Responsible Freedom...which includes Constructive Competition and Positive Response Ability. I wish I had done this a long time ago.

    There are a lot of artists who work at jobs which pay their rent...and then they follow their passion...whether they get paid for it or not. I play my keyboard (set to pipe-organ) at least 45 minutes a day. I don't want to work for a church at this point (mostly because of church politics and theological issues)...so instead of playing a $300,000 pipe-organ...I get to play a $300 keyboard. I improvise...and play the way I want to play. I have listened to...taken lessons from...and talked to some of the best in the business...but I have the most fun doing it my way. I still want to hear Lucifer improvise at Saint Sulpice in Paris...after this Solar System mess gets cleaned up. I'm very serious about this. This isn't a sarcastic joke.

    Try watching Bloomberg or CNBC...and try reading the Wall Street Journal. Seriously. This can help to provide a better perspective on money and commerce. Starving artists should not be anti-capitalist. This could help to explain why they are starving. Seriously. But I do agree that when someone makes 3 billion dollars in one year in the market...that is obscene...especially if they don't pump most of this money into worthy charities.

    Regarding governance...I am pro-minimalism and anti-corruption...but a certain amount of organization is necessary to pull this off.

    I was reading 'Behold a Pale Horse' by Bill Cooper last night...and his comments regarding Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution hit me like a ton of bricks. The founders envisioned patriots in government...rather than traitors...and may have unwittingly provided an achilles heel for the enemies of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. Article 6 reads as follows (with slight changes in wording to provide Solar System language):

    Article 6.

    "All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States of the Solar System under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

    This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States of the Solar System which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States of the Solar System, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

    The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States of the Solar System and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States of the Solar System."

    Is this why the United Nations Charter supercedes the United States Constitution? Is this why the 1954 Greada Treaty (between ET's and the U.S.) supercedes the U.S. Constitution? Is this why we have 'One Nation Under God' instead of 'One Nation Under Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom'? Is the United States of America effectively an ET Human/Reptilian Theocracy...right now...even as I type?

    The deliberate circumvention of the Constitution should make treaties which supercede the Constitution...null and void (with extreme prejudice). However...I am presently removing the first two paragraphs of Article 6...as well as the 16th Amendemt from the Constitution for the United States of the Solar System. It pains me to do this...but evil humans and ET's have taken advantage of these loopholes...to fly a mothership through our airspace...and attempt to take over this land of the free...and home of the brave. Don't look now...but I think they've been successful...for a long, long time. We're just finding out about our servitude...and the terms of enslavement. And we thought we were free!

    I have gone to various sites with an organ repair person...and I watched a huge organ be constructed. People were whispering about the erection of the organist's organ in church!

    The dogs have it exactly right. They love each other while they're playing and fighting with each other. Competition is game-playing...which is an important part of life. This is what gives life much of it's meaning. We have to keep testing ourselves and each other. This defines who we are.

    Tangentially...at the front of the U.S. Senate Chambers there is 'In God We Trust' (front and center) and fascist symbols (left and right). Is this representative of the hypothetical Zionist/Pleiadian/Theocratic/Sirius A and Teutonic Zionist/Aldebaran/Luciferian/Sirius B factions which battle for the heart and soul of this world? I'm thinking that both factions (if they exist) use Interdimensional Reptilians (if they exist)...and that Interdimensional Reptilians use both factions. Could all of the above be hopelessly out of control? Could this madness get everyone killed? I'm thinking that this is a very, very ancient and very, very bitter conflict...and that everyone involved has lots and lots of baggage...and that it could involve all of us. Perhaps it is just as well that we don't remember our past lives...which could go back millions or even billions of years.

    Why wouldn't the proposal in the first post be workable to all sides? Is the hatred too deep? What are the real issues? I think I know some of them...but not all of them. I'm sure each side has it's legitimate grievances and aspirations...but will there be anything left when one side is finally triumphantly victorious? I'm seeing an inappropriate rebellion (Luciferian Human/Reptilian?) against an inexcusable wrong (Human/Reptilian Theocracy?)...creating millions of years of horrors and atrocities (War in Heaven and Earth?). When is enough...enough?

    Gnosis5...you are involved in things I wouldn't touch with a 10 meter pole. I admire you...in one sense...but I don't trust the supernatural realm (internally or externally)...especially considering our current state of psychological/ethical/spiritual development...or lack thereof. I worry about entering a Reptilian Disneyland of the Wannabe Gods when delving into the inner and outer realms.

    Some people spank something other than their dog...to achieve resolution.

    This path to Nirvana could lead to spiritual blindness.

    Seriously...are there any supporters or opponents of the first post of this thread? The silence is deafening.

    We're beating this subject to death. We need to move on to issues of the Solar System. I'm very serious about this thread (especially the first post). Again...this is a 2+2=4 solution. It's hidden in plain sight. Please give it some thought...and imagine what the actual functioning of such an arrangement might be like. When you really, really think about it...it starts to get exciting. Call this 'masturbation of the mind' if you like...but once you see the light of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the U.S. Constitution...in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System...you'll never go back. I have a dream...and it's not a dry idea.

    Thank-you Initiate. Your view is idealistic and my view is pragmatic. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights (with the minimal modifications in post #1) is really quite simple...and there are more than 200 years of usage to study. Plus...there is significant momentum and understanding of this form of government. The absence of a defining legal document which maximizes Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...is an invitation to tyranny and theocracy...with or without ascension. If we don't go the constitutional route as a Solar System...we will undoubtedly be governed by ET...like we already seem to be. Are the Interdimensional Reptilians the enforcers of the quarantine? Is the quarantine necessary because we are freedom-seekers? Will Earth Changes and the Seven Last Plagues be caused by 'God' to break our backs and wills...to make us ascend into a Human/Reptilian Theocracy...just like the good old days?

    I appreciate your interest and input. I'm not trying to be difficult or stubborn. This is totally an experiment. I'm a rebel without a clue. Even if I'm lucky enough to be right...someone else would have to make this work. I have no connections or power...and I'm too $crewed-up to do much of anything with this concept. I'm basing a lot of this on unproven assumptions. I'm just trying to get people to think about this subject. Every U.S. citizen should be a Constitutional Scholar. Then the abuses would be minimized.

    The sad state of the U.S. is not the fault of the U.S. Constitution. If you drive your car without oil...and the engine seizes-up...don't blame the car manufacturer. Article 6 and the 16th Amendment are a puzzle to me. They seem to be the Achilles heels of the Constitution. We need to clean house...and completely eliminate the infiltration and subversion of our country. Everything WILL BE EXPOSED. The bright lights are being turned on...and the rats are running like hell.

    Thank-you Gnosis5. It's the videos in the first post...watched as a group...which paint a picture of what should and could be. It's a new way of looking at life in general...and the Solar System in particular.

    "Like it or not, everything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man...or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active or abdicate. The future is in your hands."

    ~William Cooper, 11 - 24 - 89

    [quote=no caste;194566]I have questions: :sad:

    How many planets are there, exactly, in this solar system? Are there more orbiting on the other side of the sun, this star, at about the same distance from it, so we continuously don't know about their existence?

    Why should earthlings determine what the 'Constitution' of this star system ought to be? Or, is it better to be preemptive, take initiative! to have something in hand already? Is there already a greater 'Constitution' that encompasses other solar systems? Or does everyETone just make sh^t up, to the best of their collective ability and judgment?[/quote]

    Could these 'planets' possibly be mother ships?

    Earthlings simply need to become more responsible. If there is a pre-existing Solar System Constitution which is based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...I'd like to see it posted on this thread...without delay.

    I really think this general idea has legs...but maybe not in this thread. I feel a bit like a pesky insect which mostly annoys. I feel a bit like John the Baptist...preparing the way. This thread may contain fundamental flaws...but I think that the general idea is sound. But it's going to take some very competent people (Earth Humans and Extraterrestrial Humans) to make this thing work. Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom applied to the entire Solar System. Hold that thought.

    I'm still interested in hearing support, criticism, and rival ideas. I'm taking this thing both lightly and seriously. This thread is mostly a combination of brainstorming and pre-existing ideas and documents. I'm trying to re-invent the wheel...without re-inventing the wheel.

    That was superb Initiate! That's what I'm talking about! :thumb_yello:

    14 Chakras: Exposing the infiltration and subversion of not only the United States...but the whole world...will clarify the issues. This is occurring presently. Promoting Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom as a principle and concept will enable the Constitution to be used properly...and will minimize the corruption which is presently maximized. We've got to be a lot more informed and responsible to make this work. Otherwise...we will need to be treated like little children...by our 'saviors'. Article 6 and the 16th Amendment are seemingly problematic...and I have removed them from the 'Solar System Constitution'. Perhaps we need an additional amendment to clarify Article 6 and the 16th Amendment in our current U.S. Constitution...so that NOTHING is allowed to subvert or supersede the Constitution.

    This thread is on life-support...and I will keep bumping it...at least until December 21, 2012. I'll probably stop on December 22, 2012...because it will probably be too late for it to do any good. There seems to be a small window of opportunity at this time to gain a legitimate and lasting freedom for humanity. Once again...this thread may be fatally flawed...but where are the rival constitutions and points of view?

    The following is a link to the final chapter of a free online book which is mostly about Dulce and Deep Underground Military Bases. It's a collection of materials...mostly from the 80's and 90's. I don't know if it is generally accurate or not...but it does present a chilling view of what might be down there. The truth is down there. This final chapter includes what might be benevolent alien advice for dealing with the malevolent aliens. Even if it is complete fantasy...I found myself transfixed by the possibilities. Please read it, and tell us what you think! http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce/chapter34.htm Here is the section which caught my eye:

    Valerian then quotes the following words of one Procyonese star-traveler by the name of KHYLA, who revealed the following to an un-named earth woman with whom he had established contact:

    "...Tyrants have been defeated many times on many planets, in countless solar systems and galaxies. How strange it is that as soon as one tyrant of any species is thought to be banished forever another always, but ALWAYS, takes his place. The idealistic revolutionaries who defeated King George III in America went on to oppress the Indians and Blacks. Many of those who fought most courageously against the Axis powers of fascism later became fascists themselves, as is demonstrated by the present plight of the Palestinians, Afghans, Chileans and Nicaraguans. Yes, you must try to regain control of your government, but if so much as one individual involved in this process has not first gained control of his or her selfhood, it will be for naught. One can never defeat or gain control of anything but oneself. Those destined to ouste the Rigelians must always keep track of the state of their selfhood, and learn first to defeat within themselves the essence of that which is tyranny. Through this type of awareness, they will know when to and when not to act. Through understanding a hostile entity to be but one of the ineffable's countless facades, it loses its power over you. Through the ability to wisely perceive a hostile entity, you may gain control of it. In overcoming the Rigelians, one must take great precautions not to become oneself the enemy."

    Or, as the old Chinese proverb says:

    "BEWARE WHEN FIGHTING A DRAGON THAT YOU DO NOT BECOME ONE!"

    Khyla, the Procyonese Intelligence agent, continues:

    "The only way to victory is through the strength of your consciousness. When genetic or other manipulations are being performed on abductees, the Grays expect them to cringe in fear, and derive a second-hand high from the intensity of the emotions expressed. If instead of cringing in fear, an abductee can put his or her mind elsewhere, focusing attention on dynamic protective imagery of a religious or mystical nature, it decreases the gratification that the Grays are getting from their second-hand high, and it confuses them. Center the consciousness on something so different from what they expect that it puzzles them.

    (Note: In most cases the image of an empty red or crimson CROSS seems to be especially debilitating to the Grays. For instance the legendary soldier-saint, St. George, reputedly wore a shield with a red cross emblazoned on a white background. Whether one believes that the dragonslayers existed or not, the legend itself claims that the Christian dragon-slayers of Europe more-or-less marked the end of the dragon race's infestation of the old world. One such legend concerned the city of Silene, Libya which had been plagued by a draconian beast for a long period of time. The king of the city had offered up sheep and livestock in an effort to appease the beast. However the time came when all the livestock had been used up, and this was when human sacrifices were chosen, by lot, to appease the fearsome beast. One day the lot fell on the king's own daughter, and the grieved king, honoring his word, allowed her to be taken and tied to the post outside of the city gates. As the beast was about to pounce upon the princess, so the story goes, Saint George appeared in shining silver armor and -- before the beast knew what was happening -- the soldier-saint had pierced it through with his lance and rescued the princess, who later became his wife. Whether or not such legends have any basis in reality, the story nevertheless symbolizes the unconscious animosity between 'Saints' and 'Serpents'. If we are to believe the legends, then this was only one of the many 'vermin' -- as they were referred to in those ancient times -- which St. George had vanquished during his life, and although not the only dragon-slayer of legend, he was perhaps the most renowned. - Branton)...

    "The only reason the Grays have such a degree of dominance over you is because your elected officials stupidly made clandestine agreements with them, binding you to them in an exclusive alliance that is respected by other space races, allowing them to install themselves in underground bases impregnable to your weaponry, a situation you must now find a way to extricate yourselves from (Note: In that the Grays have repeatedly violated these treaties, they should legally be considered null and void. In fact since the Executive branch of the U.S. government was taken over by a fascist CIA coup d'etat in 1963 at the time of the John F. Kennedy assassination -- AS WERE the governments of several other countries throughout the world where CIA backed military coups resulted in the establishment of fascist puppet dictatorships -- should we not consider the Executive branch of government which made the 'treaties' with the Greys, to be null and void as well? It certainly was not Congress who authorized such 'treaties'. - Branton)

    "In antiquity this planet was divided into sectors between four different groups: Blonds, Grays, large lizard-like beings [now connected with] the Capella system, and beings [now connected with] the Arcturus system. These groups still consider themselves to be the owners of this planet. They do not recognize the human claim to ownership. However, some of us do recognize human rights, as well as the rights of other life-forms...

    "The Grays are having problems not only within their own ranks, but also on other planets they have colonized. As a species they are afflicted with severe, perhaps terminal, health problems (a weakness that can and should be exploited. - Branton). They have substantial captive populations of Blond, human and other prisoners of war, eager to join a revolt at the slightest opportunity...

    "One must be rational in attempting to fight back, and understand the proper way to proceed. Your own consciousness is the most potent weapon that is available to you at the present time. The most effective way to fight the Grays is to change the level of your consciousness from linear thinking to multi-dimensional awareness. Your secret weapon, your ace in the hole, is that you are not hive-minded collective thinkers, though many of you do fall into that category by conforming to conventional group-patterns, and are therefore easily controlled by the Grays. It is your INDIVIDUALITY which is your best weapon, because it is the one weapon you have that the Grays do not have. The major weakness of the Grays, their area of vulnerability, their Achilles heel, is their inability to think as individuals. They are an extremely telepathic high-tech society, but as individuals they are not creative thinkers. They take orders well, but they do not conceptualize well. They have the technology to throw your planet out of orbit, but there is one key ability that you have and they do not have: the ability to hold in mind imagery that inspires an individual to realize his or her direct personal connection to the source of ALL THAT IS, which is the ineffable Godhead, no matter what name you may call it. That is your key to victory..."
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:44 pm

    Regarding the 'Declaration of Human Sovereignty' in the first post...what if we are Renegade Pleiadians from Aldebaran...who came here (or were dumped here?)...and possibly waged war against native reptilians and/or humans...under the leadership of Lucifer? If this is true (or a similar scenario)...would Earth really be our 'Homeworld of Genesis'? Do we really have a legitimate right to be here? Are we the real extraterrestrials? These are not rhetorical questions. I really don't know. I'm tired of the run-around. I want the truth...and nothing but the truth...so help me whoever.

    Should this Solar System be a haven for benevolent beings of all races? Are human beings necessarily the good-guys...and are other races necessarily the bad-guys? Should all hard-core malevolent beings be exorcised from the Solar System...human and otherwise? Should all benevolent beings be allowed to remain...even if they are reptilians and greys? How would we know who is truly benevolent and who is truly malevolent?

    I'm torn regarding the wording of the 'Declaration of Human Sovereignty'. Help me out here. I'd like to just let someone else handle everything...but I have lost confidence in the existing administration of this Solar System. Unfortunately...the whole truth is unavailable...so I get to try to sort this out while flying blind and flying stupid. Bad combination.

    I wish we could have a thread with the Zionist Leader (Pleiadian?), Teutonic Zionist Leader (Aldebaran?), Draconian Leader (duh!), and Responsible Freedom Leader (Andromedan?)...and sort this thing out. I'm really, really tired of the lies and stupidity. I want out...but perhaps things are even worse everywhere else. Perhaps this madness is as good as it gets! I hope not...but one never knows.

    Please watch these two complementary episodes of Stargate SG1 with this thread in mind. Both episodes made me cry.

    1. http://www.fancast.com/tv/Stargate-SG-1/91998/1063988439/The-Torment-of-Tantalus/videos

    2. http://www.hulu.com/watch/68254/stargate-sg-1-the-fifth-race

    Thank-you for your interest and responses. I just want this general topic to be given some serious consideration. If we don't get governance right...everything else will be wrong. If we do get governance right...everything else will eventually fall into place. But I don't think that things will ever be easy. Utopia may simply mean the absence of enslavement and extermination. There will always be huge problems for this civilization to face. I'd simply like to see us become a 1 or 2 civilization...instead of being a 0 or -1.

    Placing Responsibility Education at the core of public and private education should go a long way towards creating the type of people who are necessary for a truly free society. This will make the documents in the first post more than just @#%&*^ pieces of paper. From what I have heard and read...Bill Cooper, Alex Collier, Manly Hall, Jesus Christ, et al would agree.

    Please watch those two linked Stargate episodes. They deal with 'meaning of life stuff'...and touch on a type of Galactic United Nations. It's very hard for me to summerize and do proper justice to these superb episodes.

    1. http://www.fancast.com/tv/Stargate-SG-1/91998/1063988439/The-Torment-of-Tantalus/videos

    2. http://www.hulu.com/watch/68254/stargate-sg-1-the-fifth-race

    There is a heretical component to the first post. I am proposing that the documents, principles, and concepts of the first post essentially become a minimalist religion of sorts...replacing Scripture, Canon-Law, etc. Obviously...this would have to be completely voluntary...or it would defeat the whole concept of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom.

    Aldbebaran is a star system...supposedly where renegade Pleiadians (who may be here on Earth) are from. See the thread titled 'What is Gizeh Intelligence'? http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11123&highlight=giza+intelligence Human Beings suddenly appear in the geologic record. There is no missing link. In fact...there would have to be many missing links...not just one. See the thread titled 'Tell Me Who I Am'. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14402&highlight=orthodoxymoron Instead of going from the Swamp to the Stars...I think it may have been the other way around. If so...what does that do to the effectiveness of the 'Declaration of Human Sovereignty'? I'm leaning toward the idea that if you're here and good...then stay. But if you're here and really bad (hard-core malevolent)...then leave...at least until you learn how to play nice. Don't go to Hell...just go to Nibiru! I don't want Earth to be the Prison Planet Insane Asylum of the Universe.

    I just modified the 'Declaration of Human Sovereignty' in the first post. I removed the 'homeworld' references...because I don't really know where we are really from...but I do believe that we have every right to remain here...but that we need to be a helluva lot more responsible. I would also like to know what the Creator God of the Universe aka Founders aka Ancients...intended for Humanity in general, and Earth in particular. I continue to think that the benevolents should stay...and that the malevolents should leave. This would include humans and non-humans.

    I also indicated that ET bases should probably not be destroyed...because they might be necessary for the defense of the Solar System...and that we might need the help of benevolent ET's for Solar System Security (SSS).

    I do not intend bullying or conquest...just that things should settle down in this Solar System...and that it should be a haven for benevolent beings of all races. I have included only Humans in the authoritative role...because I don't know the true nature of any other races. Hell...I don't even know the true nature of the Human Race! We can be extremely dangerous. We need to chill.

    Tell me what you think about these modifications. Are these founding documents ready for showtime? I repeat that this is an experiment. This is a test. This is only a test. My hope is that those with real power and connections will consider the principles and concepts contained in threads such as this one, and in other sources...and really do this thing the right way. I don't have a clue as to how this should or could be done. I'm just trying to get humans and non-humans to rationally think this thing through. I'm still working on it myself! What do you think Lucifer / Amen Ra? What do you think Satan? Can we move ahead with a smooth transition of power? I know that I'm a rebel without a clue...but I think this sort of thing is the next logical step...in what seems to be a very illogical Earth, Solar System, and Universe. We can all do better...don't you agree?

    Wouldn't it be quite amazing if a young woman...or a young androgynous person...has been running things here on Earth...for thousands of years? 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmwKws5JaIM&feature=related I see one human soul...reincarnating through hundreds or thousands of bodies...living in an underground stargate temple complex (under the Giza Plateau?)...for centuries and millenia. I see this one human soul behind all of the major religions. I also could be very wrong. I'm just trying to specialize in speculation which is rooted in honest research and reflection.

    The reptilian phenomenon puzzles me. Who controls who? Did Hathor / Amen Ra use reptilians as guards and soldiers, etc? Or...did reptilians possess and control Hathor / Amen Ra to control the world? Perhaps Hathor / Amen Ra was (and is?) fighting battles on many fronts...as a sort of a mediator/negotiator...to keep light on the Earth (or to keep the Earth enslaved?). Perhaps few people know how much it really costs...in blood, sweat, tears, and gold...to keep life and light on the Earth. I'm seeing both a rational and irrational being...a kind and cruel being...a sort of Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde. This could go with the territory of being a deity. I truly think it would be best if we could evolve to the point where we would not need to have any gods.

    But our politicians need to go through an educational process...fit for a king. Each politician should probably have the equivalent of two doctorates...in multidisciplinary and governmental studies. Politicians should have to take batteries of tests to prove that they are fit to be the equivalent of kings (for limited periods of time...to avoid corruption and insanity). Too much power for too long...is a recipe for disaster. Power corrupts...and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I don't want tyranny and theocracy...but I also don't want a bunch of corrupt and stupid nitwits...running amok in a make believe democracy...owned by the banks and media moguls...who take orders from off-world entities.

    There should be at least 10,000 people...worldwide...who know everything about everything...and could assume supreme leadership in a very competent manner...without prior notice. One would have to competitively join this group...in order to run for high office. I just want this world to be cleaned-up and run properly. We probably need the City-States and the United Nations...but not in their current state. They need to be completely reformed and purified...if this is even possible. If it's not possible...then we need to start from scratch.

    What I am really interested in...is the Administration of the Solar System...going back thousands or even millions of years. I'm just not seeing the Founders (or whoever superimposed intelligent design upon an evolutionary canvas - resulting in the bodies and souls of humanity) at work in this Solar System. It's almost as if something catastrophic happened to the Founders (or equivalent)...and all we have left is the Creation and the Holy Spirit of the Founders Within All of Humanity. This is one reason why I am interested in the concept of Namaste...which includes the Reverence for Life philosophy of Albert Schweitzer...and Seeing Christ in All Persons (Christ in You...the Hope of Glory). The Kingdom Within may be much more than merely a figure of speech.

    There may have been a lot of smoke and mirrors (holograms and magic?)...truths and half-truths...used to manage the people of the world...for good and for ill...throughout history. I just think we can do better presently...and that we need to move on to bigger and better things. I continue to think that the true history of the universe is very sad and violent...and that Full Disclosure will be almost unbearable. Jesus said 'I have many things to tell you...but you can't bear them.' We may have to bear these things (and more?) in the near future. Will we respond responsibly? Are we safe to save?

    I don't think that it would be good to be king. It might be a necessary evil...at times...but I don't consider the royal model to be the epitome of divinity.

    Thank-you New Age Messiah and Gnosis5. Solar System ownership and governance probably supercedes almost every other subject IMO. I'd like to hear a wide variety of opinions. So far...I am rather discouraged by the lack of interest. I don't care if anyone agrees with me or not. I just want to see some indication of interest and knowledge in this matter. This is basic.

    If the Universe is a Theocracy...then if the Universal PTB allow Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom here...they might have to allow it everywhere. This seems to be a Planet in Rebellion...and we seem to be at a crossroads. Will we be reigned back into the Universal Church Theocracy...or will We the People of Earth rule ourselves with Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom? This is one perspective (mine)...and the actual situation and terminology might be quite different.

    Please keep asking questions and thinking creatively regarding Solar System ownership and governance. This thread represents just one possibility regarding proper governance. It's a big idea...a True Universal Order. I don't really know what the true state of affairs is in this Solar System or Universe...and we probably need to consider all of the possibilities. Leave no moon-rock unturned.

    In a sense...a Government is a Church...and a Church is a Government. They are two sides of the same coin. The question is 'What is the nature of the Church and the Government?' To stop preaching...and go to meddling...'How would the Roman Catholic Church function if it were based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...and was in complete harmony with the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Teachings of Jesus? Would a Pope be elected by the general membership every four years? Would the Teachings of Jesus, the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Will of the People...supercede Canon Law, the Curia, the Pope, the Black Pope (and whoever the Black Pope takes orders from)? Would this create chaos...or would it minimize evil and corruption? For Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom to work...the Roman Catholic Church would have to go along with it...and looking at history...this would be nearly impossible. The RCC is the biggest 'We Never Change Church' imaginable. The Sirius Powers That Be would have to order it done...or it would be a non-starter. For Sirius (and Alpha Draconis?) to sign-off on this...We the People of Earth would have to exhibit a significant level of Knowledge and Responsibility. There is presently a Forbidden Knowledge Explosion...and the BIG question is 'Will We the People of Earth Respond Responsibly?' How about a non-penetential and non-sacrificial Ecumenical Namaste Mass based upon the Latin Mass...Celebrating the Divinity Within Humanity? Now I'm really meddling! I'm an abominable heretic...yet I prefer the glory, grandeur, reverence, and awe of the traditional service...rather than the 'Jesus is my buddy, show-up in shorts and a t-shirt, praise-song, hippie reefer-madness'. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94sa1Byb7fw 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Veof_APhkkQ&feature=related 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL4PO9jIj2I&feature=related 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq8i69-L-Fs&feature=related 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxBjqrPAUg8&NR=1

    I am unrepentantly orthodoxymoron. Here I stand. Now what do I do?

    [QUOTE=KathyT;205688]If a religion is running a government, it is called a theocracy. Some muslim countries are run by their religious leaders.

    But many other countries have governments that are not run by a religion (hopefully USA is still one), or they may have dictators, or they may be run by a monarchy…

    So I suggest you check your facts. Here is a place to start:
    [URL="http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/gov_gov_typ-government-type"]http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/gov_gov_typ-government-type[/URL][/QUOTE]

    Which facts do you suggest that I check? I suggest that you check the words at the front of the U.S. Senate Chambers...and the words at the center of the back of the dollar bill...and the words of the Pledge of Allegiance. My point was that there are religious aspects to all governmental systems...and there are governmental aspects to all religious systems. Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom would bow to the Divinity Within Humanity rather than bowing to an external deity...who could possibly be more evil than righteous...and could be an alien from Sirius (the Prince of Sirius)...and could be ruling the U.S. through the U.N., Bilderberg, C.F.R., etc. Blind obedience...without questioning and cross-examination...is extremely dangerous. Question Authority. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABfZ2UsvWtY&feature=related

    Constitutional Theocracy: http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Constitutional-theocracy

    "Constitutional Theocracy is a form of government in which within the context of a modern democracy a particular religion is granted a central role in the legal and political system. In contrast to a pure theocracy, power resides in political figures operating within the bounds of a constitution, rather than religious leadership. A form of government (also referred to as a system of government or a political system) is a system composed of various people, institutions and their relations in regard to the governance of a state. ... Theocracy is a form of government in which a religion and the government are intertwined..."

    Could the United States of America be under a Constitutional Theocracy presently? Could the United States of America have always been under such a Constitutional Theocracy? See Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution. Was the 1954 Greada treaty simply an extension of this hypothetical Constitutional Theocracy? http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/future.htm Is the U.N. Charter superceding the U.S. Constitution a further expansion of a Constitutional Theocracy?

    There's a helicopter hovering over my house as I type...and I'm not kidding! I doubt that it's because of what I'm typing...but one never knows! I make such posts with zero hostility. I simply wish to place light on the subject.

    Please consider this thread http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=206737#post206737 in the context of the United States of the Solar System...regarding Battlestar Galactica and the United Nations. I was very impressed. This is a step in the right direction.

    Could the Cylons be the equivalent of the Reptilians. If so...are there theocratic implications? The Cylons were monotheistic. Is Battlestar Galactica really the story of Human Beings (us) coming to Earth? Is Battlestar Galactica really Nibiru, the Moon, and/or the Ark of the Covenant? If so...what was the covenant? Did we have to cut a deal with the Devil to come to Earth? If so...did that deal involve the servitude to, and worship of, the Reptilian Race...who might own and operate the Solar System...and be the Gods of a Universal Chruch? Are we presently trying to back out of that deal? Could this be why there is all the talk about 'Earth Changes', '2012', the 'New World Order', etc? If all of the above is true...what would convince the Reptilians to adopt Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom as the Modus Operandi of the Solar System? Who knows? The Shadow Government? Lord Draco? Lucifer? Hathor? Amen Ra? Jesus Christ?

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    This article is about the fictional beings in Battlestar Galactica. For related meanings, see Cylon.

    A model of a new series Cylon Centurion. The Cylons are a cybernetic civilization at war with the Twelve Colonies of humanity in the Battlestar Galactica science fiction franchise, in the original 1978 and 1980 series, the 2003 reimagining, as well as the spin-off prequel series, Caprica. In the 1978 series, the Cylons is also the name of the race (Reptilians?) who created the robot Cylons (Greys, Hybrids, PLF'S?).

    The nature and origins of Cylons differ greatly between the two Galacticas. However both series feature Cylon Raiders, Cylon Basestars and Cylon Centurions. The prequel series, Caprica, focuses on the creation of the Cylons, which differs from all the previous Battlestar Galactica series.

    Main article: Cylon (1978)
    The Cylons of the 1978/1980 series are not the mechanical foils seen throughout the series, but an advanced reptilian race who created the robots (who were referred to as Cylons within the show) to serve them, maintain their vast empire and to man their military forces in the face of a sudden population drop that eventually led to the Cylons' extinction — seemingly overnight. This fact is briefly mentioned in the 1978 movie-length premier of the series (near the end of episode 2 in syndication) when Apollo relates the Cylons' origin to Boxey. In the episode "War of the Gods", during Count Iblis's private discourse with Count Baltar, Baltar mentions that he recognizes Iblis's voice, referring to Patrick Macnee's voicing of the Imperious Leader in the opening episode/theatrical movie (Macnee also played Iblis), with Iblis countering that if that was true it must have been "transcribed" over a thousand yahren (years) ago and programmed into the mechanical body of the Imperious Leader.

    The follow-up series Galactica 1980 had a two-episode arc entitled "The Night the Cylons Landed" that featured a humanoid Cylon, though unlike its successors in the post-millennial reimagining, it was not organic, but a complex mechanical construct.

    The Cylons of the 2003 miniseries and 2004 Battlestar Galactica series are fundamentally different from the Cylons of the original 1978/1980 series. In the new version, the Cylons were created by humans as cybernetic workers and soldiers. As in the original series, the Cylons destroy almost the entire human civilization, chasing a few ship-borne survivors into deep space. Unlike the original series, however, the reimagined series includes twelve Cylon models that are nearly indistinguishable from human beings. Although these human-form Cylons are the focus of the series, alongside the humanoid models there are also Centurions similar to those in the original series. Much of the Cylons' technology is based heavily on bioengineering and/or synthetic biology rather than conventional robotics. Humans often derisively refer to Cylons as "toasters," due to the resemblance of the Cylon centurions from the first Human/Cylon war (the design of which is based on that of the centurions from the original series) to "walking chrome toasters", as described by Gaius Baltar in the miniseries. The humanoid models are referred to as "skin-jobs" to differentiate the two variants.

    In contrast to the reason for the original Cylons' genocidal mission, religion is the primary motivation of the Cylon race in the re-imagined series. They consider humans to be sinful and flawed creations who therefore do not deserve to survive. In the original series the Cylons, an aggressively expanding empire, declared war on Humanity because they intervened on behalf of a race of beings called the Hasaris who had been enslaved by the Cylons and who had sought the aid of the Colonials.

    In the reimagined series universe, the term Cylon stands for Cybernetic Lifeform Node.[1]

    ^ http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=62495

    Less than 20 people have posted on this thread...and it seems that only about half of them have been supportive of the concepts of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom and the United States of the Solar System. It seems to me that the Powers That Be and the Custodians of the New World Order have very little to worry about. Jordan Maxwell is probably 100% correct. The New World Order seems to be a Fait Accompi. Resistance is Futile.

    "Most people do not really want freedom, because freedom involves responsibility, and most people are frightened of responsibility." -- Sigmund Freud

    :roll1::wall::sweatdrop::shocked::zip::lightsabre:

    Thank-you Initiate. It may sound crazy...but my only hope at this point...is for the Powers That Be...and that includes the Vatican, the Illuminati, the Pleiadians, the Sirians, the Aldebarans, the Nibiruans, the Draconians, Hollywood, New York, the City of London, et al...to choose to do the right thing...and implement something like Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom from the top down. Otherwise...I frankly don't see it happening. Just giving people the facts won't cut it. Edwin Bernays and Sigmund Freud were absolutely correct in their cynical views concerning the general public. The Awake and Aware don't seem to care...so do you really think that Joe the Plumber is going to give a rat's @$$?? A Solar System Exorcism would be a Hail Mary solution...but I wouldn't count on it. A popular uprising would just get a lot of people hurt and killed...and would solidify the power and authority of the existing PTB. In fact...they may be hoping for a popular uprising...to provide an excuse for executing the finishing touches of total tyranny and enslavement. Then Disclosure can safely occur...wherein we will meet our Extraterrestrial Gods and Goddesses...who undoubtedly will suggest that we kneel...in no uncertain terms.

    Matthew 23

    1.Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
    2."The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
    3.So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
    4.They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
    5."Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long;
    6.they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
    7.they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.'
    8."But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
    9.And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
    10.Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
    11.The greatest among you will be your servant.
    12.For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
    13."Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
    15."Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.
    16."Woe to you, blind guides! You say, 'If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
    17.You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
    18.You also say, 'If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
    19.You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
    20.Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
    21.And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
    22.And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
    23."Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
    24.You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
    25."Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
    26.Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
    27."Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
    28.In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
    29."Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
    30.And you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
    31.So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
    32.Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
    33."You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
    34.Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
    35.And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
    36.I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
    37."O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
    38.Look, your house is left to you desolate.
    39.For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "

    I appreciate that Gnosis5. I don't read the Bible very much...and I don't go to church anymore. I think a lot about meaning of life stuff...but I overdosed on scripture and church in the past...so I draw upon my memory banks when considering a lot of the subjects I rant and rave about.

    I love theology...but not in the context of most churches. I love choirs, pipe organs, and sacred music...but not in the context of most church services. I'm too idealistic...and I know too much...to be able to enjoy church attendance...at this point.

    I think people should study theology and listen to sacred music...in the context of nature...which is more beautiful than the most elaborate cathedral. A theological/political solution will emerge...which wil be a sort of secular spirituality...which will be balanced and highly ethical...and will rely heavily on subjects which presently seem to be science fiction.

    I think we're going to make it...but we may go into tyranny for awhile...while we work out the internal conflicts resulting from disclosure...with all of it's implications and ramifications.

    PLEASE watch this video where Battlestar Galactica Meets the United Nations. http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5534741958288968182&ei=jW0uS4rWGs_Q-Aab9NXUAw&q=old+movies&hl=en#docid=5280005988835138050 This is the sort of thing which should occur each and every day at the United Nations. I really was impressed with this special program. Also, see post #129 above.

    I'm thinking there is a Human God of This World (Lucifer?)...and a Reptilian God of This World (Satan?)...with a real zoo of Human and Reptilian Gods and Goddesses throughout the Universe...all separate and distinct from the Founders, Ancients, Creator God(s) of the Universe. I'm also thinking that all of the religions of the world...go back to Ancient Egypt...have a common author...and are a mixture of truth and error. Despite the absurdities and horrors of this world...could this be as good as it gets in the present Universe? If the Human and Reptilian Gods of This World agreed to jointly institute Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom throughout the Solar System...what would the implications and ramifications be throughout the Universe? Would the Empire Strike Back? Or...would it be Morning in the Universe? Are the Humans and Reptilians who are 'out there' a lot worse than the ones who are here on Earth? I know that's hard to imagine...and I hope it ain't so. I'm sensing a history of Regressive Human and Reptilian Theocracies...going back millions or billions of years. Could this present generation be the last generation to exist under a Regressive Theocracy or Universal Church? Hope springs eternal. As always...this is simply brainstorming intuitive conjecture...and in need of a helluva lot of further study. The people we love to hate may not have a lot of choices regarding what goes on at the highest levels of Earth's Governments and Religions...which are very possibly secretly intertwined...and taking orders from a Nine-Foot Tall Draconian Reptilian...under the Giza Plateau or the Dark Side of the Moon. I hope that's just another Big-Foot story! Say it isn't so Lord Draco!! No No

    PLEASE watch this video where Battlestar Galactica Meets the United Nations. http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5534741958288968182&ei=jW0uS4rWGs_Q-Aab9NXUAw&q=old+movies&hl=en#docid=5280005988835138050 This is the sort of thing which should occur each and every day at the United Nations. I really was impressed with this special program. Also, see post #129 above.

    The first part of the linked video clip...which contains a segment from BSG (beginning @ 07:00)...states that THE CYLONS (REPTILIANS?) WERE A HUMAN INVENTION THAT EVOLVED, AND DESTROYED THEIR CREATORS...AND THAT THE LAST SURVIVING HUMANS ESCAPED ON BATTLESTAR GALACTICA...IN SEARCH OF A NEW HOME ON EARTH. Is this representative of OUR history...and why we are in such a big @#$%^&* mess???
    Who owns and operates this Solar System? More to the point: Who owns YOU? Who REALLY runs YOUR life? Regarding the last several posts: Are WE the equivalent of the Cylons? Did we evolve and destroy our creator(s)? The state or fate of the Founders/Ancients/Creator God(s) is crucial to our state or fate. You can ignore or dislike me...but do not ignore the issues and questions of this thread. Are there no exopoliticians out there? What the hell is going on here?

    Considering all of the possibilities from all angles all the time is probably a good idea. Leave no moonrock unturned.

    Memorable quotes for "Battlestar Galactica" (2003) More at IMDbPro » http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0314979/quotes Note especially the last part of these show-quotes. I'm trying to jazz this thread up to try to get some discussion going.

    Laura Roslin: I don't know why I have to keep telling you this, but the war is over.
    Adama: It hasn't begun yet.
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    Helo: Aren't you Gaius Baltar?
    Baltar: I haven't done anything.
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    [Starbuck's in the brig]
    Apollo: What's the charge this time?
    Starbuck: Striking a superior *******.
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    Adama: Sol, take personal command of the DC units.
    Tigh: [Looks incredulous] Me?
    Lt. Felix Gaeta: [to Adama] Sir, the stern thruster's still locked open. We need you.
    Adama: [Still to Tigh] You're either the XO, or you're not.
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    [first spoken lines in the show]
    Number Six: Are you alive?
    Boxey's Father: Yes.
    Number Six: Prove it.
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    Apollo: Are you sure this is a good idea?
    Starbuck: No... not really.
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    Adama: [watching Dualla and Keikeya flirting across the bridge] They better start having babies.
    Tigh: Is that an order?
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    [Talking to Starbuck over the radio]
    Adama: Morning, Starbuck, what do you hear?
    Starbuck: Nothin' but the rain.
    Adama: Grab your gun and bring the cat in.
    Starbuck: Aye-aye, sir.
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    Baltar: So now you're telling me, um, now you're telling me you're a machine?
    Number Six: I'm a woman.
    Baltar: You're a machine. You're a synthetic woman, a robot.
    Number Six: I've said it three times now.
    Baltar: Well, forgive me, I'm having the tiniest little bit of trouble believing that because the last time anybody saw the Cylons they looked more like walking chrome toasters.
    Number Six: Those models are still around. They have their uses.
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    [to a baby she later kills]
    Number Six: There, there. It's okay. You're not gonna have to cry much longer.
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    Number Six: What are you doing?
    Baltar: Phoning my attorney.
    Number Six: That won't be necessary.
    Baltar: Nah, he'll know what to do. He'll sort this out. He's the best in the business.
    Number Six: It won't be necessary because in a few hours no one will be left to charge you with anything.
    Baltar: What exactly are you saying?
    Number Six: Humanity's children are returning home. Today.
    [a nuclear detonation flares in the distance]
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    [his decommissioning speech]
    Adama: The Cylon War is long over, yet we must not forget the reasons why so many sacrificed so much in the cause of freedom. The cost of wearing the uniform can be high, but...
    [very long pause]
    Adama: sometimes it's too high. You know, when we fought the Cylons, we did it to save ourselves from extinction. But we never answered the question "Why?" Why are we as a people worth saving? We still commit murder because of greed and spite, jealousy, and we still visit all of our sins upon our children. We refuse to accept the responsibility for anything that we've done, like we did with the Cylons. We decided to play God, create life. And when that life turned against us, we comforted ourselves in the knowledge that it really wasn't our fault, not really. You cannot play God then wash your hands of the things that you've created. Sooner or later, the day comes when you can't hide from the things that you've done anymore.
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    [on the Galactica's 1-MC after news of the attack came in]
    Adama: This is the Commander. Moments ago, this ship received word of a Cylon attack against our homeworlds is under way. We do not know the size or the disposition or the strength of the enemy forces, but all indications point to a massive assault against Colonial defenses. Admiral Nagala has taken personal command of the Fleet aboard the battlestar Atlantia following the complete destruction of Picon Fleet Headquarters in the first wave of the attacks. "How? Why?" doesn't really matter now. What does matter is that as of this moment, we are at war. You've trained for this. You're ready for this. Stand to your duties, trust your fellow shipmates, and we'll all get through this. Further updates as we get them. Thank you.
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    Adama: We're in a shooting war. We need something to shoot.
    Tigh: I'll start checking munitions depots.
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    [looting the display Viper Mk.2s from the museum for combat duty]
    Starbuck: You sure they'll fly?
    Tyrol: Well, the reactor's still hot, so all we have to do is pull the rad buffers from the engine, refuel it, load the ordnance, and you're ready to go. The biggest problem is getting them over to the port launch bay.
    Starbuck: Why can't we use the starboard launch?
    Tyrol: It's a gift shop now.
    Starbuck: Frack me.
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    Apollo: Sir, "Apollo"'s just my call sign. My name's Lee Adama.
    Laura Roslin: I know who you are, but "Captain Apollo" has a nice ring to it, don't you think?
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    [a hallucinatory Number Six has shown Baltar an odd device on the DRADIS display console in the Galactica's CIC]
    Baltar: You're not helping.
    Number Six: I'm sorry. How can I help?
    Baltar: Well, for a start you can tell me what that is.
    Number Six: Honestly, I don't know.
    Baltar: Well, it hasn't exploded.
    Number Six: Yet.
    [Baltar gives her a shocked look]
    Number Six: I'm just guessing.
    Baltar: I have to warn them.
    Number Six: How do you propose to do that? "Oh look, a Cylon device." "Really? Well, how do you know what a Cylon device looks like, Doctor?" "Oh, I forgot to mention I'm familiar with their technology because I've been having sex with a Cylon for the last two years now."
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    Starbuck: Permission to speak off the record, sir?
    Tigh: Granted.
    Starbuck: You're a *******.
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    Laura Roslin: There's no Earth. You made it all up. President Adar and I once talked about the legends surrounding Earth. He knew nothing about a secret location regarding Earth, and if the President knew nothing about it, what are the chances that you do?
    Adama: You're right. There's no Earth. It's all a legend.
    Laura Roslin: Then why?
    Adama: Because it's not enough to just live. You have to have something to live for. Let it be Earth.
    Laura Roslin: They'll never forgive you.
    Adama: Maybe. But in the meantime I've given all of us a fighting chance to survive. And isn't that what you said was the most important thing, the survival of the human race?
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    Starbuck: I thought you were dead.
    Apollo: Well, I thought you were in hack.
    Starbuck: It's - it's good to be wrong.
    Apollo: Well, you should be used to it by now.
    Starbuck: Everyone has a skill.
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    Apollo: [to Starbuck] You are beyond insane!
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    Apollo: [both of their Vipers are attached together while trying to land on the Galactica] We're coming in a little hot, don't you think?
    Starbuck: [lying] No, not really.
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    Tigh: Where's your mother?
    Boxey: Dead. Where's yours?
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    [Number Six has just informed Baltar that she has used the access he has given her to the Defense Mainframe in order to commit espionage]
    Baltar: I had nothing to do with this. You know I had nothing to do with this.
    Number Six: You have an amazing capacity for self-deception. How do you do that?
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    Aaron Doral: [the Cylons cut through the doors to Ragnar Anchorage, and a crowd of humanoid Cylon copies walk through to find the Doral-copy Adama stranded there] We have to get out of this storm. The radiation affects our silica relays.
    Leoben Conoy: Where did they go?
    Aaron Doral: I don't know. They were prepared for a big jump.
    Aaron Doral: [a second copy of Doral in the Cylon crowd] We can't let them go.
    Number Six: Hmm, unfortunately I agree.
    Leoben Conoy: [a second copy of Conoy] If we do, they'll return one day and take revenge
    Number Six: [a second copy of Number Six] It's in their nature.
    Aaron Doral: We have no choice.
    Leoben Conoy: [a third copy of Conoy] It may take several decades to track them down.
    Lt. Sharon 'Boomer' Valerii: [Boomer walks into the room. Boomer is a Cylon] Don't worry, we'll find them.
    Number Six: By your command.
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    Captain of Colonial Heavy 798: Geminion liner 1701, this is Colonial Heavy 798.
    Captain of Colonial Heavy 798: [realizes that the newly-vowed president is behind him] No, strike that. This is Colonial One.
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    Adama: [sensing despair at the funeral service after the battle at Ragnor] Are they the lucky ones? That's what you're thinking, isn't it? We're a long way from home. We've jumped way beyond the Red Line into uncharted space. Limited supplies. Limited fuel. No allies. And now no hope! Maybe it would have been better for us to have died quickly back on the colonies with our families instead of dying out here slowly in the emptiness of dark space. Where shall we go? What shall we do? "Life here began out there". Those are the first words of the sacred scrolls. And they were told to us by the Lords of Kobol many countless centuries ago. And they made it perfectly clear that we are not alone in this universe. Elosha, there's a 13th colony of humankind, is there not?
    Priest Elosha: Yes. The scrolls tell us a 13th tribe left Kobol in the Early Days. They traveled far and made their home upon a planet called Earth, which circled a distant and unknown star.
    Adama: It's not unknown. I know where it is! Earth - the most guarded secret we have. The location was only known by the senior commanders of the fleet, and we dared not share it with the public. Not while there was a Cylon threat upon us. For now we have a refuge to go to. A refuge that the Cylons know nothing about! It won't be an easy journey. It will be long and arduous. But I promise you one thing. On the memory of those lying here before you, we shall find it. And Earth will become our new home. So say we all!
    Galactica Crew: So say we all!
    Adama: [louder] So say we all!
    Galactica Crew: So say we all!
    Adama: [very much louder] So say we all!
    Galactica Crew: [louder] So say we all!
    Adama: [standing at attention with the crew] So say we all.
    Priest Elosha: So say we all.

    President Ronald Wilson Reagan invigorated both Democrats and Republicans with a message of freedom and limited government! Remember the “Reagan Democrats?” Here is what Ronald Reagan had to say about freedom and government, “…man is not free unless government is limited. There's a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: As government expands, liberty contracts.”

    Americans have been conditioned to believe that democracy equals freedom. But democracy means majority rule, and may be antagonistic to freedom. A republic protects pre-existing rights. Our founding fathers clearly understood this, as is revealed in the Constitution and the Federalist Papers. Democracy is not mentioned in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. Our form of government is a republic, not a democracy!

    Freedom is freedom from government coercion. Our founding fathers created the least coercive government in history! The Constitution provides for a limited, decentralized government to primarily engage in foreign diplomatic relations, to secure national boundaries, and to provide a military defense of these boundaries. In other words...to deal with threats from without. The states were given the responsibility of primarily protecting individuals against criminal activity...to deal with threats from within. Uniquely, our government was created to protect the rights, liberties, and property of its citizens. The founding fathers believed that a democracy could quickly degenerate into tyranny!

    According to the Constitution, redistribution of wealth is none of the government's business! Hands off! Well meaning liberals support taking money from one person and giving it to another through taxation! If it’s not voluntary…it‘s stealing! Liberals believe in a God-like government which exists to create heaven on earth. This creates a hell of a mess! Liberals once defended civil, political, and economic liberties. What happened?

    Conservatives seek national greatness through all-powerful military and industrial strength. This creates a complex problem! Neo-conservatives are eager to create a one-world police state. Is this assessment inaccurate and unfair? Our military is in 130 countries! We are spending trillions of dollars overseas to violently promote democracy! Do the math!

    A theocracy is a constitutional theocracy on steroids! No freedom here. Not even the illusion of freedom. Believe and do what the state-church says God says...or face persecution...including death! The teachings of Jesus Christ reveal a minimalistic, decentralized religion. Certainly not a monolithic, dogmatic, dictatorial, arrogant union of Christ-less Christianity with a New World Order!

    America is a republic, not a democracy! We need to remember that the Constitution places limits on government that no majority can overrule. Both liberals and conservatives have forgotten this! Conveniently? No…they wouldn’t do that…would they?

    It seems to me that there has been a single God or Goddess of This World from before our arrival here...right up to this very moment. I'm leaning toward Goddess. Why couldn't a single being manifest as different beings? I think Lucifer got us all here...for the right or wrong reasons...for better or for worse...and then ruled secretly through Gods, Goddesses, Religions, Governments, etc. I get the feeling that the Reptilians look over Lucifer's shoulder...and tell him or her what to do to a significant degree. There could be a very tangled hierarchical web. Ignorance is probably bliss regarding this subject. I don't think there are very many of us who could handle the full impact of the situation we may be in. I want the Reptilians to back-off...and Lucifer to retire. I want We the People of Earth to rule ourselves responsibly and sovereignly...and for the Reptilians to do likewise. Then perhaps we can constructively interact on a limited basis. This might be a new beginning...but I don't know what the hell I'm talking about or what the hell I'm doing. I don't really know that Reptilians even exist. I've never met one...that I know of...although I have encountered unseen intelligences capable of manipulating physical objects. But they didn't introduce themselves...and I didn't really want them to either.

    1. http://www.fancast.com/tv/Stargate-SG-1/91998/1063988439/The-Torment-of-Tantalus/videos
    2. http://www.hulu.com/watch/68254/stargate-sg-1-the-fifth-race
    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmwKws5JaIM&feature=related
    4. http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/rellis.htm
    5. http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/rellis2.htm
    6. http://www.hulu.com/watch/62967/stargate-sg-1-hathor
    7. http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5534741958288968182&ei=jW0uS4rWGs_Q-Aab9NXUAw&q=old+movies&hl=en#docid=5280005988835138050

    Are Lucifer/Eve/Hathor/Isis/Mary all the same being? The Goddess of This World? The Hybrid Mediatrix Between the Reptilian (God) and Human (Man) Races? Theanthropos? The script-writer for all of the major religions? Are we merely actors and actresses on a stage called 'Earth: Theater of the Universe'? Were William Shakespere's works written by Francis Bacon? Or were they written by the Goddess of This World? Does a Reptilian/Human Theocracy exist throughout the Universe? Is this the Universal Church? Was the Original Sin committed in Lyra? What was this Original Sin? Did the Human Race Create the Reptilian Race as a Slave Race...and demand Work and Worship? Did the Reptilian Race evolve...and rebel against the Human Race...and win? Did the Reptilian Race proceed to do to the Human Race what had been done to them? If most of the above is true...can there be a reconciliation...or would this be impossible? Could Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom be successfully implemented by both races? Could the First and Last Commandment of the Universe be 'Thou Shalt Have No Gods'? Would this signal the end of Star Wars and Masters of the Universe? Would the Empire Strike Bach?

    Damned if I know.

    [QUOTE=Gnosis5;210754][SIZE="3"]"Though shalt have no gods except yourself" Oh, that's so deliciously funny!
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    [/QUOTE]

    In my book...self-deification is self-delusion. The Divinity Within Humanity could very possibly be the Ethical and Spiritual Epitome of the Human Collective Unconscious. I seek the Exaltation of Humanity...not the Exaltation of Myself. I generally don't trust myself or even like myself...but the best which I see in those around me...is worthy of emulation. We need to stop placing 'special' individuals on a pedestal...and begin elevating all of humanity. This is much easier said than done.

    Why is there no substantive discussion of Solar System Governance (SSG)? Is this not important? Where are the alternative proposals? I'd even welcome a hatchet-job at this point. We may not be as free as we think we are if we can't even talk about who owns and operates the Solar System...and regarding how it should be run. Are our minds that overshadowed and tweaked? I'm seeing a total blackout regarding intelligent conversion regarding a most basic and important subject. Somebody please tell me what the hell is going on! Somebody please tell me where I can find people to talk to who are interested in SSG!

    [QUOTE=Gnosis5;210894]maybe everyone is too busy planning their exit :mfr_lol:[/QUOTE]

    Thank-you Gnosis5. I think you may be right. It seems that fight and flight, greed and fear...dominates everything we think and do. I have appealed to none of these things...and have received almost no interest or response. If I had made people really, really mad at someone (like the government)...or made people really, really scared (of the aliens)...or come up with a get rich quick scheme (I'm still looking for one myself!)...or if I had lied and said that I was an Insider UFOnaut who visits the Pluto-Dudes every other day...there would probably be huge interest! Likewise...a thread about a certain part of the anatomy recently generated a massive response! This is why the PTB is kicking our collective @$$es...because they know how easy it is to manipulate us...and how shortsighted and superficial we really are...regardless of how much we delude ourselves about Ascension and Godship.

    Thank-you Gnosis5. Solving the world's problems is almost viewed with scorn. I sometimes wonder if it would be better to just be a greedy S.O.B...and then donate a million bucks to some charity...and be considered a benefactor of society. This is just a waste of time. We are probably facing unspeakable war, terrorism, and artificial bs 'earth-changes'...followed by anarchy and tyranny. I truly believe that the substance of this thread could prevent this...but my yelling that the bridge is washed out...isn't going to make people stop. They might catch a glimpse of what I was talking about...on the way down...when it's too late. "Of all the words that tongue can tell...the saddest are 'it might have been'." I may simply stop posting...sell my house...and move to a so called 'safe-place'...although I really don't think such places exist. Here is the cynical truth about ourselves. Please watch this four part BBC documentary video entitled 'The Century of the Self'...which chronicles the effect of Sigmund Freud, Edward Bernays, and others on marketing, mass manipulation, and politics...based upon the theory that the masses are dangerously irrational...and must be manipulated and controlled. http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=the+century+of+the+self&www_google_domain=www.google.com&emb=0&aq=0&oq=the+century+of+#q=the+century+of+the+self&www_google_domain=www.google.com&emb=0&aq=0&oq=the+century+of+&dur=3

    Once...while trying to promote self-governance...I received a response which did not seem to be human: "You can't rule yourselves". Part of another response was "Understand this: This is not your planet. Humans are not the most intelligent life on Earth". Maybe they were right...whoever the hell they were.

    Over and out.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:45 pm

    If what I am suggesting in this thread is ever to become a reality...the most powerful factions in the galaxy would have to agree to it. I see this as a top down evolutionary transformation...rather than a bottom up revolutionary upheaval. Ideally...no one would really notice the changes. No running in the streets. No war-crimes tribunals. No hangings. Just Key Earth Humans, Key Native Reptilians, Key Extraterrestrial Humans, and Key Extraterrestrial Reptilians agreeing to move in a new direction. For all I know...they may have been planning something like this all along. I have no idea how this transformation should occur...but I think that it's a logical next step...even if this next step takes several decades. I really don't think the Galactic PTB want to be boxed into a corner or appear to be forced to do anything. It really needs to be THEIR IDEA. I really shouldn't expect too much...too soon. This is not an original idea. It's simply a modified pre-existing good idea. Why reinvent the wheel if it is not absolutely necessary. I'm going to think and live as though the first post is a done deal. It makes so much sense to me. It is globalist...and non-nationalistic...but yet completely respecting all people...and facilitating responsible freedom. The first post really is the essence of my religious and political views...but I'd still like to see an Ecumenical Namaste Latin Mass...Celebrating the Divinity Within Humanity.

    Once again...a top down paradigm shift with all deliberate speed would be optimal. The Humans and Non-Humans in charge of the U.N. and the City States will have to make the essence of this thread THEIR IDEA...or it will be a non-starter. Once again...this thread is a test. This is only a test. I guess...for now...what I would like to see...is for RESPONSIBILITY to be placed at the center of EVERYTHING. This is the first step toward achieving a Utopian United States of the Solar System. I have noticed that President Obama has used the word Responsibility throughout his presidency...beginning with his Inaugural Address. This is a positive sign. World government is not going to change overnight. This is a complicated matter. It shouldn't have to be...but it is. Life on Earth is a very sad phenomenon in my view...but I think that it can be much better.

    A Perfected Humanity Living in a Perfected Solar System is Our Prophetic Destiny...Which WILL BE FULFILLED.

    Game playing gives life meaning. A gameless life might be a meaningless life. What would Eric Berne say? Unfortunately...the games some people play are reprehensible.

    [QUOTE=Gnosis5;212232][SIZE="3"]So it has been written. I'm starting to not identify myself with meaning or with life as meaning. Sometimes I can be drawn into the River of Life with imaginations of what the world would be like if Buddha had succeeded in populating the planet with bodhis. I see shopping malls filled with enlightened/awakened bodhis :-)

    love,
    gnosis[/SIZE]
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    Long ago...I went to a bookstore in Southern California called the 'Bodhi Tree'...and had an interesting conversation with someone who spoke of a purification of the Earth. Your post reminded me of this. I do think that the Earth is being purified presently...but hopefully not with a destructive purification. I'm completely opposed to fire and brimstone Armageddon scenarios...where only the elect are saved. I want everyone to make it...including the really bad guys and gals...but I really want things to get a helluva lot more ethical, balanced, and sane. Go Bodhis!!!

    Shirley Maclaine used to go to the 'Bodhi Tree'. I knew someone who worked in Hollywood who said that between scenes...Shirley looked like she was in deep thought most of the time. I thought that was interesting! I don't agree with Shirley on everything...but I admire her questing and her courage.

    Once again...I am almost begging for intelligent conversation regarding the substance of this thread. I refuse to scare people...or to make them angry...and I will not cater to people's greed or propensities toward self-exaltation. I just want to talk shop about how to best run this Solar System. I want the general public to become the New Elites...and I want the elites to clean up their acts. I would like to see the hypothetical Lucifer/Eve/Hathor/Isis/Mary aka The Goddess of This World serve as an advisor (not a dictator) to a United Nations based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom.

    Just look at the carnage and destruction of the last 100 years. This is total insanity. This world is very, very sick. Please consider the first post of this thread as a partial solution. I don't think that things will ever be easy for most of the Human Race...but I do think that the next 100 years can be a helluva lot better than the past 100 years.

    Perhaps we can imagine that we are on the Moon as we discuss Solar System Governance (SSG)...on a base (Lunar Base II) with a view of Earth. Doesn't this perspective put everything into the proper perspective? Dr. Edgar Mitchell started the 'Center for Noetic Sciences' because of viewing Earth from outer-space. We need to start thinking like the Elites...but without any corruption or hidden agendas whatsoever. We need to invite ourselves to their party...whether we or they like it or not. I refuse to sucumbe to 'Us vs Them' thinking. Think about it.

    [QUOTE=Gnosis5;213012]Yes no one with a heart cannot help but want to reach out to people. Not only as bodies, but also as spiritual beings who know they are more than just bodies.

    I guess the first thing to do is to sit down and get very realistic about what one is dealing with here on this planet. I'm supposed to write a book about how a civilization is built from the ground up, but if I start writing it might start writing me and I'm not ready for that yet.

    Thanks for the thumbs up on the bodhi scenario. The buddha I see was very much into eating well and he liked his luxuries, was not an ascetic by any means, but very very vigorous in reaching out to people and working with them to help them do their practices to reach their own bodhi state.

    I used to frequent the Bodhi Tree store in LA. Met some interesting books and people there :original:

    I think my job is to help birth people/bodhis who can in turn work with you to organize societies and perhaps cities. I don't mean going out and having 12 children (although I thought of it).

    If you said, "Hey, everybody, let's get together and talk about how we can turn this planet into a tourist center for the ETs." You know, put a very fun and body/nature oriented slant on it. A government run like a business.
    That is how my book would slant it.

    I'm only putting emphasis on the spiritual technologies because governments and civilizations and societies failed because beings could not govern themselves, much less each other. An awakened society enjoys more freedoms and needs less government. Administration and organization would be the main function of government.

    Can you imagine how exciting this planet would be for ETs to visit!!![/QUOTE]

    I want to write a book...but all I seem to be able to do is make superficial posts on the internet. I'm glad that you are thinking in terms of civilization building. I used to think that God was going to save us and take care of everything. Now I think that we will probably be lucky to survive on this planet...and even more lucky to avoid tyranny or theocracy. Who knows...we may not be capable of ruling ourselves presently. We are so damn sophisticated...but we start fighting way too easily...even within this forum, at times.

    We need to be so much more responsible...if we wish to govern ourselves. I get the theory...but in day to day living...I'm not very responsible. I just can't seem to get my act together. This reminds me of the old song lyrics 'you can't even run your own life...and I'll be damned if you'll run mine!'

    I like the idea of Intergalactic Tourism! Even Solar System Tourism would be cool! Actually...just travelling between Earth and the Moon would be out of this world! If Earth and the Moon have hidden surprises under their surfaces...and if we really do have advanced space travel technology...why couldn't this be opened up to the general public. The business potential is astronomical!

    We might possibly be Renegade Pleiadians from Aldebaran...and we may possibly have a soiled intergalactic track record...but I think that despite all of the setbacks and problems...we might be on the verge of succeeding with this Responsible Freedom thing. I'm seeing the possibility of a civil war resolution...but we may be an administrative headache...and it sounds as though ET intervention could be quite violent and tyrannical. This aspect troubles me...but this is just speculation...as usual.

    We don't have to be ascetic or retentive to be responsible. We just need to stop being corrupt and destructive. Responsibility Education from K through College should be mandatory. We should Reward Responsibility. I just want to keep visualizing a Perfected Humanity Living in a Perfected Solar System...in a very low-key manner.

    I just removed the reference to 'treaties and other sources of international law' from the preamble in the first post. Treaties and other end-runs around the Constitution have spooked me...and made me very paranoid. I wish for the focus to be on an uncorrupted form of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. An uncorrupted team of constitutional scholars should determine what an uncorrupted form would look like. I'm pretty pleased with the founding documents in the first post...but I may be missing some glaring problems. Please help me out folks. This thread is just intended to get the ball rolling...but I wonder how bad things will have to get before this thread is taken seriously. My disillusionment and disappointment is profound.

    Thank-you Gnosis5 and Magamud.

    We need a Solar System View rather than a World View or an Anatomical Black Hole View!

    A silver (or yttrium!) backed Solar System Currency (SSC) issued by non-private central banks would be optimal...I think. Responsible and constructive commerce, trade, and competition should be encouraged. Corruption should be virtually eliminated.

    I'm beginning to think that endless reincarnation is simply the way things work in the Universe. Endlessly reincarnating within this Solar System should not be something to overcome...but it should rather be considered to be a gift...the gift of life. Why do we demonize Earth and Physicality? They are both priceless treasures.

    The Refereeing and Responsible Regulation of Constructive Competition is a good thing. The GAO and SEC should be quadrupled. Hierarchies are not necessarily evil...but they often are.

    [QUOTE=Magamud;213998]Whew reincarnating on this type of planet is a workout I dont want anytime soon. I think a trip down the Akashic records to reorganize my soul for some time then a traveling celestial healer and running with the comets for a bit will do me some good too. Then after some time I will come back to this plane.

    I think mind will move matter so in that sense the currency will be knowledge and manifestation. Working within a social circle attaining what one needs from its social dynamic. Same as it is said, that a huge chunk of "karmic" energy is within your family. So a community dynamic based on attaining cosmic knowledge exchanged by energy from consciousness. Can you dig it???

    My reference with biased physicality in societal commerce is slim. It could be that technology is a barometer of nature and human symbiosis. In other words to much tech exhibits lack of awareness?? Or it just could be a plane that exist in evolution. Hence UFO's and that level of tech and cosmic knowledge. A possible example of why the lack of contact. Maybe there exists here this idea of just benevolent frequency of mind that teaches a tech based society/galaxy. So in other words everyone and I mean everyone is waiting for the Ancients to make a move. Just a thought. But back to the point, A basic level of understanding the importance of uniting/transmuting energy into liberty must be viscerally felt, allowing for corruption to barely sustain itself. Telepathy??????[/QUOTE]

    Earth is sort of a Disneyland of the Gods. John Keel would probably agree. We need challenges...and Earth is a hotbed of challenges...some of which are actually enjoyable. I would think that the Akashic Records contain some very graphic, gory, and depressing information...but there should probably be a periodic review of this vital historical collection. A comet would be cool...but Hawaii would work for me...especially in January.

    Destructive and Irresponsible Technology should be eliminated. I have more problems with Environmentally Destructive Industrialization than I do with High Technology. This world is a very dangerous mess...and the oceans are toilets. We need to clean up our act...big time.

    I hope that the Ancients or Founders still exist. I see very little evidence for their continued existence in this Solar System presently.

    Could the cosmic exchange units be considered to be Free Energy Units (FEU)?!!

    Holographic Governance and Telepathy might dovetail to form a virtually corruption-free society...but I worry about privacy and psychic bullying.

    I liked your last post Magamud. I find that I need to read your posts several times to get what you are saying. You have obviously done some serious studying.

    We are a dangerous and corrupt bunch...regardless of who is ultimately in charge...and regardless of what the spiritual realities really are. I think that the refinement process will be very painful. The more I try to advance spiritually...and the more I try to face reality...the more it hurts.
    I often find myself beating upon the rocks of infidelity...while in hot pursuit of Hathor!! :wub2:
    This is totally unrelated...but I'm thinking about going back to church. I'm not sure why. I have too many problems with every church. I think they are used to control us in an unethical manner. However...I see a big part of the solution to our dire delemma...centered in renewed and purified religion and politics...centered in the Divinity Within Humanity and Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. This would be sort of an Un-Theocracy. You can see why I call myself orthodoxymoron. I am ultra-conservative and ultra-liberal...simultaneously. I long for an ultra-purified and ultra-reformed Gizeh Intelligence, United Nations, Vatican City, City of London, and Washington DC...with no secrets and no skeletons in their closets. Hope springs eternal. Go naive dreamers! Go white-hats!

    Has anyone besides the NSA, CIA, FBI, SIS, JESUITS, ET AL seriously studied this thread? Perhaps I flatter myself with the delusion that even these groups would be even remotely interested. Perhaps the only thing that saves my sorry @$$ is the fact that no one gives a rat's @$$!

    "Give us a King!" was a very stupid thing to say. Trading Theocracy for Tyranny is not necessarily a step in the right direction. They are two sides of the same stupid coin. In a sense...this is sort of like a Zionist becoming a Teutonic Zionist!

    This little experiment is pretty much over. The results are:

    1. That the United States of the Solar System and Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom is a conceptual success. The idea makes sense...and would work splendidly.

    2. That the United States of the Solar System and Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom is a public relations failure. The response has been negligible and negative.

    3. That Sigmund Freud, Edwin Bernays, and Jordan Maxwell are correct regarding freedom, responsibility, the powers that be, influencing public opinion, and methods of manipulating the general public.

    Therefore...I am putting out a call for help...into the vast regions of space and cyber-space...to use the methods of Edwin Bernays and Madison Avenue to sell the contents of this thread to the Powers That Be (human and non-human...terrestrial and extraterrestrial)...and to the General Public (human and non-human...terrestrial and extraterrestrial)...in a manner which makes all of them believe that the contents of this thread is their idea...and is what they have always believed.

    Pragmatism must sometimes trump idealism...but ethical ends only justify ethical means...because unethical means usually mean unethical ends. Put that grass in your pot-pipe and smoke it!

    You can lead a horse to water...but you can't make it drink...or pee!

    Here is an interesting application of the word 'responsibility':

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    Cabinet collective responsibility is constitutional convention in governments using the Westminster System that members of the Cabinet must publicly support all governmental decisions made in Cabinet, even if they do not privately agree with them. This support includes voting for the government in the legislature. In the United Kingdom, the doctrine applies to all members of the government, from members of the cabinet down to Parliamentary Private Secretaries. Some political parties apply the convention to their central committee. Its inner workings are set out in the Ministerial Code.

    It is related to the fact that, if a vote of no confidence is passed in parliament, the government is responsible collectively, and thus the entire government resigns. The consequence will be that a new government will be formed, or parliament will dissolve and a general election will be called. Cabinet collective responsibility is not the same as individual ministerial responsibility, which states that ministers are responsible and therefore culpable for the running of their departments.

    On occasion, this principle has been suspended; most notably in the 1930s when in Britain the National Government allowed its Liberal members to oppose the introduction of protective tariffs; and again in the 1970s, when Harold Wilson allowed Cabinet members to campaign both for and against the referendum on whether the UK should remain in the European Economic Community. In 2003, Tony Blair allowed Clare Short to stay in the cabinet, despite her public opposition to the 2003 Iraq War. However, she later resigned.

    In Canada, the cabinet is on rare occasion allowed to freely vote its conscience and to oppose the government without consequence, as occurred with the vote on capital punishment under Brian Mulroney. These events are rare and are never on matters of confidence. The most prominent Canadian cabinet minister to resign because he could not vote with the cabinet was John Turner, who refused to support wage and price controls. In Canada, party discipline is much tighter than in other Westminster-system countries; it is very rare for any MP to vote counter to the party leadership. Similarly, in Australia on occasional issues (such as the 1999 republic referendum), there may be a conscience vote where any MP may vote as they wish, but these issues are rare and never tied to official party policy, and normally party discipline is very tight as it is in Canada.

    Collective responsibility is not circumvented by appointing Ministers Outside of Cabinet,[1] as has occurred in New Zealand where, as of 2005[update], Winston Peters and Peter Dunne are Ministers Outside of Cabinet, despite their parties not being considered part of a coalition.

    [QUOTE=Magamud;216985]Im sure if a benevolent frequency needed help laying a foundational Namaste Govt they would ask you Orthodoxymoron! Thanks for your insight...[/QUOTE]

    Magamud...thank-you!

    Perhaps a benevolent frequency is unable to do anything of lasting significance regarding Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom as long as there is not a critical mass of Responsible Humanity who give a rat's @$$! I think We the People of Earth have nearly achieved a critical mass of people who desire Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom! Something is brewing! Perhaps a Solar System Exorcism is brewing! Malevolents...Be afraid! Be very afraid!!!

    As I see it...the foundation is found spiritually and conceptually in the Teachings of Jesus...and constitutionally in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. I had nothing to do with this foundation. I'm merely shining a bright light on it.

    According to at least one source...there are at least 119 million ET's surrounding Earth at this very moment...yet we don't seem to be the least bit interested in who owns and operates this Solar System...or regarding Solar System Governance. Why?

    [QUOTE=Initiate;217641]Hi Ortho,

    I don't get the energy that you do off Magamud's post. You have indeed invested a lot of energy into this subject. And my take is that Magamud saw this and was stating that if (when) the guardians of the Solar System need advice then you would be an excelent source of input from the Earth Human perspective. It is also highly pluausable that at a higher level your higher self is indeed providing this input.[/QUOTE]

    Thank-you Initiate. My apologies Magamud. I have edited my post. I doubted that a 'benevolent frequency' would need anyone's advice...which may be why I responded (reacted?) as I did. I was wrong to do so...and I am very sorry. I also doubt that the guardians of the Solar System are a benevolent frequency. I could be wrong about this as well. Perhaps we are all in the best of hands...and have nothing to worry about. I haven't invested much energy at all into this subject...because there has been very little meaningful debate or dialogue...which says to me that we may be entering into an ET Theocracy in the very near future...and that I will probably be entering into a FEMA CAMP (or worse) in the very near future. Actually...we have probably been in an ET Theocracy for thousands of years...and that my reaction to the full realization of this brutal fact will probably land me in a FEMA CAMP (or worse). This tempest in a teapot is undoubtedly an exercise in futility. Resistance is futile. Abandon all hope ye who enter this Brave New Universe. Actually...entering into a Cowardly Dreamworld filled with faith, hope, and submission is a helluva lot easier.

    Please watch this four part BBC documentary video entitled 'The Century of the Self'. It chronicles the effect of Sigmund Freud, Edward Bernays, and others on marketing, mass manipulation, and politics...based upon the theory that the masses are dangerously irrational...and must be manipulated and controlled.
    http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=the+century+of+the+self&www_google_domain=www.google.com&emb=0&aq=0&oq=the+century+of+#q=the+century+of+the+self&www_google_domain=www.google.com&emb=0&aq=0&oq=the+century+of+&dur=3

    I hate to be cynical...but I am tired of being the idealistic goody-goody who is so heavenly minded that I am of no earthly good. I don't know if I can stomach the following...but perhaps there are some who can. Are there some lessons to be learned below regarding the promotion of the United States of the Solar System? Just giving people the facts in a cool, calm, and collected manner really does not seem to work. So how does one ethically promote goodness in a manner which actually works? Is there a way to positively restate the following such that it becomes a completely ethical modality of persuasion?

    THIS IS A LESSON IN HOW TO DECIEVE (CONVINCE?) THE MASSES http://www.learntoquestion.com/resou...oculation.html

    Clearly in the late 1930s, there were folks out there who thought propaganda could be dangerous. A private organization with an ambitious agenda, the Institute for Propaganda Analysis in New York, took on the Olympian task of trying to identify propaganda strategies and develop a scientific approach to its detection, along the lines of disease detection and prevention. Concerned about the difficulty of finding truth, particularly in a media-saturated wartime environment, the Institute issued a statement called the "Ten Commandments of Propaganda" in 1937. Designed to be a manual of strategies used by writers of propaganda, the Institute offered what it believed was the strategy of the propagandist:

    1. Divide and conquer.
    2. Tell the people what they want.
    3. The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it.
    4. Always appeal to the lowest common denominator.
    5. Generalize as much as possible.
    6. Use "expert" testimonial.
    7. Always refer to the "authority" of your sources.
    8. Stack the cards with "information."
    9. A confused people are easily led.
    10. Get the "plain folks" onto the "bandwagon."

    The Institute identified seven basic propaganda devices:

    Name-Calling: Giving an idea a bad or negative label, leading its audience to reject and condemn it without examining it further.

    Glittering Generality: Associating something with a word that has virtuous associations, leading its audience to accept and approve it without examining any further evidence.

    Transfer: Shifting the authority and prestige of something respected or revered to something else in order to make it more acceptable or associates disapproving language with something the propagandist wants an audience to reject.

    Testimonial: Invoking the words of someone either respected or despised to state that a particular idea, product, or person is good or bad.

    Plain Folks: Suggesting that the speaker and his ideas are good and right because they are "of the people": the "plain folks."

    Card Stacking: Layering an array of facts or falsehoods in a complex web of logic in order to make the best (or worst) case for an idea, program, or person.

    Bandwagon: Implying that everyone is doing something and that folks need to "jump on the bandwagon" and follow the crowd.

    Down with Monka!! Experimentation Without Representation!! Sorry Monka...I couldn't resist. Thank-you Initiate. I don't want to represent something which is hopelessly broken. I just want to see a proper governmental system for the Solar System in place which maximizes Responsible Freedom. I keep thinking that we are a galactic pain in the @$$...and that most of the ET's neither love us nor hate us. They probably want us to quit b!+ch!ng...and just evolve!

    I also keep thinking that we are rebels without a clue...who legitimately rebelled against something (enslavement and theocracy perhaps?)...but really $crewed things up...and ended up in worse trouble than if we had just gone with the program...so to speak.

    Now...we seem to be on the verge of blowing ourselves up, becoming enslaved by malevolent ET's, and being ruled by a really nasty theocracy. Or...with a top down silent and bloodless revolution...we could finally achieve a united and free world at peace...for the first time in our history. That's what this thread is all about.

    I'm trying to visualize more underground living and electric everything...and interplanetary tourism and industry using advanced spacecraft. I'd like to see an end to extreme wealth and poverty via Responsible Free Enterprise. I don't have a problem with interacting with other benevolent beings...no matter what they look like...or what their history is...as long as they are genuinely benevolent. It would obviously take time for everyone to get used to each other.

    This forum may be one of the first steps toward a Solar System United Nations...or whatever everyone wants to call it. I suspect that beings from throughout the Solar System...view, and even participate, on Avalon. We discuss various and sundry subjects presently...but someday we may vote...as members of a Solar System General Assembly.

    Here is another link which you might find interesting (John Rhodes): http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles38.htm

    Here's yet another speculative intellectual ejaculation resulting from the masturbation of the mind:

    What if Reptilians evolved...but not Humans? What if the entire universe was Reptilian? What if there were no Humans anywhere? What if the entire universe was a Reptilian Universal Church Theocracy? What if Humans were created as a slave race? ('Let us make man in our image') What if Lucifer (Ptah?) was the Reptilian in charge of the genetic engineering project which resulted in the creation of Human Beings? What if Humans were mistreated as slaves? What if a group of Reptilians, led by Lucifer, conspired with Humans, to kill God the Father (Ra?)...and take over 'Heaven'? What if this was the Luciferian Rebellion which led to War in Heaven...and the death of God the Father (Ra?)? What if the Reptilians loyal to God (Ra?) fought against the Luciferian Reptilians and Human Beings...driving them out of the Garden of Eden (Heaven?) What if Battlestar Moon was used to transport the Luciferian Reptilians and Humans to Aldebaran, Sirius, and Earth...while being violently pursued by Nibiru? What if Interdimensional Reptilians aka The Spirit of God aka Amen battle with Luciferian Interdimensional Reptilians and the Divinity Within Humanity aka The Holy Spirit...to regain control of the Renegade Human Race? What if the New World Order is the Kingdom of Ra? What if the Luciferian Reptilians and a select group of Humans run Earth from underground bases on Earth and the Moon? Could this be Gizeh Intelligence? Could Reptilians and Humans loyal to Ra be Zionists? Could Reptilians and Humans loyal to Lucifer be Teutonic Zionists? Could a pacifist union of both factions be Followers of Jesus? Could Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom be the solution to this ancient mess?

    How much trouble am I in now? Probably quite a bit. But once again...this is just speculation...with no inside information whatsoever. I don't think that I have seen Lucifer...but one never knows! This hypothetical being could walk down a crowded city street...and no one would notice anything out of the ordinary. This would be a 3D dudess with lots of 4D, 5D, 6D, 7D connections...I think. Think Anna in 'V'. There may be remarkable similarities. Who knows?!

    I found the following in chapter 19 of the 'Dulce Book' http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce_book.htm on the watcherfiles.com website. I don't know if this is credible...but it really made me think. If the U.S. Constitution was the central authority of the Solar System...instead of any deity or demon...no one would be worshipped, humiliated, exalted, enslaved, etc. If Lucifer is the Godess of This World (and Solar System?)...and will not relinquish power to anyone else ('if I can't have them...nobody can!')...might a constitutional ultimate authority allow this being to retire with grace? I'd really rather skip the Battle of Armageddon. Does the following description refer to Lucifer...or to Satan? I'm leaning toward Satan aka God Amen...but there might be some similarities with Lucifer...who would have to have some communication with Satan...on an ongoing basis. Does Revelation 12 describe Lucifer or Satan? The ultimate leader of the serpent race's collective or 'hive mind' is the "great red dragon", the "old serpent", "the Devil" or "Satan". Lucifer was one of the three original archangels (along with Michael and Gabriel) who each had charge over one-third of the 'angels'. Mind you...I'm hypothesizing a very dark universe...where this crazy world is as good as it gets. This is a terrifying thought to me...but what if this is reality? The horror! Could the following experience describe the being who Lucifer rebelled against?

    "One of the 'targets' to which Mr. Brown's military RV trainer sent him was the Grey aliens' collective mind, and more specifically he was instructed to search out the ultimate command or control center of the collective. Shortly after this particular experiment began [one of many], Brown found himself in an area where several Greys were working, although he did not know exactly where this was. He 'followed' the collective mind or thought-flow and found it to be absolutely massive, giving him the feeling of something unbounded, and almost universal in nature. However, he did detect a center, a definite 'heartbeat' of this massive collective matrix, into which and out from which a steady stream of information was flowing. He noticed, at one point, an unusual 'subspace' being that seemed to be directing the activities of the Greys he was observing, and discovered that the bodies of the Greys themselves were incarnated by such 'subspace' beings which apparently entered the Greys' embryonic bodies and used them as vessels to manipulate physical reality.

    Brown was then instructed to locate other of these beings who apparently controlled the Grey collective from a subspace or astral level, and found himself in an area where several of these subspace or paraphysical entities were located. As he continued towards this 'center' the number of subspace or non-corporeal beings increased until he came to a place of much activity, something like a grand central station type of area, where these beings were very active in various pursuits. He did not know exactly where this was, but noticed that the closer he came to the control 'center' the more he sensed an increasing rigid atmosphere of absolute military-like control. He came to what he sensed was the central governing center of the subspace beings' activity, and in the center of this there was another area where a "council of 10" very high-level subspace or paraphysical entities congregated. These were apparently the governing principalities who were engaged in running the whole operation. The security here was absolutely incredible.

    Then he perceived the SUPREME LEADER of this council of 10 paraphysical entities... and at about this point Courtney Brown was jerked back into his body, so to speak. He sensed that this leader had detected the presence of his own subspace, astral or magnetic body which he had projected, and had followed this RV 'intruder' back to his physical source. Brown and his trainer felt an oppressive, dark 'cloud' enter the room and it stayed there for about half a minute scrutinizing the scene. It left, apparently seeing the two RV'ers as "small frys" who were not worth wasting its time on.

    Before Brown's expulsion from the command center however, he was able to perceive for a brief moment what this being was really like. He or it was an extremely powerful being, but one with a twisted personality that was full of darkness. Apparently this being had come into conflict with another Force which it saw as its enemy. Brown sensed within this being a severe self-esteem problem, in spite of its incredible power, and because of this it had a consuming desire to be worshipped by others. Brown was confused when he sensed that these subspace beings, and in turn the Reptilians/Greys, were actually COMMANDED by this leader to engage in self-indulgent and destructive activities. This being apparently wanted his servants to use self-indulgent rewards or fear of punishment to maintain the absolute hierarchical command structure within its empire -- as well as through the rest of the subspace hierarchy, and in turn throughout the Reptilian Grey's collective 'hive' society that they completely infested.

    Brown also got the impression that it was FEAR and PRIDE -- its perceived NEED to be worshipped -- that kept this being from negotiating with its ancient enemy, and that this being was utterly desperate to maintain its very survival or existence [strange for a seemingly immortal subspace being] and chose to resort to rebellion and terrorism in a desperate attempt to take control of the situation. Brown recieved a strong impression that this being was the ultimate universal terrorist!!! (Did ET Phone Rome and Call 9/11?) Apparently because of its all-consuming ego this being would NEVER humble itself before its 'enemy', and the same might be said for most of the upper echelon of the hierarchy who depended on the praise of their fellow collaborators to maintain their illusion of self-importance.

    These beings, one might say, had long ago and of their own free-agency 'imploded' in upon themselves -- becoming 'spiritual black holes' with all-consuming appetites, absolute astral vampirial-like parasites, having extinguished all 'light' within themselves and therefore being unable to be brought back "into the light". Incapable of giving out 'light', they have become totally reprobate, devouring any and all life and innocence around them that they can possibly consume. The leader of this subspace 'collective' had long ago drawn these other dark beings into itself, like a large black star devouring other smaller ones around it. This irreversible state MIGHT not apply entirely to ALL of these "subspace" beings, as we will see later on."

    I hereby invite all beings throughout the universe to support the spirit...if not the letter...of the first post of this thread. Obviously...the details will have to be worked out by those who are much more competent than myself. I don't know the full story...but the more I research...the more enthusiastic I become regarding the first post of this thread. But this will require universal support...and will undoubtedly involve great sacrifice and hardship. I think we are all in huge trouble...throughout the universe...not just on Earth. I also think that all secrecy needs to be removed presently...and that Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom must be pursued with all deliberate speed. The gloves need to be removed...so to speak.

    Don't hate anyone...Reptilian or Human. I think that 99% are victims...and the remaining 1% are deluded or insane (and in a sense...victims as well...even though they are in charge...and may be very harsh and cruel). I think everyone is in trouble...from the top to the bottom. This universe may need a new program and a reboot. The Reptilians...who many fear (including me)...may turn out to be quite friendly...if and when there is a paradigm shift and a leadership change. Their external appearance should not be viewed predjudicially. I don't know the true nature of the Reptilians. I've never seen one (that I know of)...and I'm still not absolutely sure that they exist (although the testimonial evidence is overwhelming). This thread should not be viewed as Human vs Reptilian. In an all-out Human vs Reptilian war...I have a sneaking suspicion that humanity might cease to exist. Who knows...Benevolent Reptilians may be keeping Human Beings from becoming extinct.

    If the universal community cannot accept what is proposed in the first post of this thread as a universal modus operandi...I would only request that an exception be made for this Solar System. Give us a chance to test the concept...under quarantine...if deemed necessary. I understand that unrestrained and irresponsible freedom is highly dangerous and contageous. The qualifiers outlined in the first post of this thread should be sufficient to maintain legitimate and reasonable law and order.

    Thanks and Gratitude in Advance to the Beings of the Universe.

    [QUOTE=THEWATCHER;219387]Sounds FAR FAR too American for my liking I'm afraid, I'm not anti American but lets face it the US seem to want to control Earth, next would be space, next the universe?[/QUOTE]

    Thank-you WATCHER. I'm flattered that you posted a response. America has gotten a bad reputation...hasn't it? But please don't blame the Founding Documents. This thread is not about American Control of Anything. If that were the case...it might be better to refer to Vatican Control of Everything...Including the United States. But I don't really think that the Vatican is in control of the Vatican. If you really want to know the truth...I'm trying to liberate the Vatican...in my own small way...because until that happens...Earth will remain a Prison Planet. I am not Pro-American or Anti-Catholic. I am Pro Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the United Nations and the City States...and applied to the Solar System.

    Who were the Founders of the United States? They certainly were not Americans prior to the founding of the U.S.A. Why did the United States come into existence? Certainly not because the Old World was Heaven on Earth. Or...perhaps it was because the Old World was Heaven on Earth aka The Old World Disorder Demonic Theocracy aka One Nation Under Satan. I don't mean to be shrill...but do we really want a World Based Upon Responsible Freedom? I'm beginning to think that we don't...and that we are about to get exactly what we want. Please post viable alternatives to the first post of this thread. The water's warm. Come-on in. I really just wish to discuss Solar System Governance. It's a subject I know very little about...but which seems to me to be one of the most important subjects imaginable...especially to Earth Humans.

    Tangentially...take a look at this link to a Below Top Secret forum: http://www.belowtopsecret.com/forum/thread32073/pg3#pid2881167. I guess I equate Hathor with Ptah...based upon the Hathor episode of Stargate SG-1. In this episode...Hathor is happy when she discovers that Ra has been killed. Could Amen be the Goa'uld inside of Hathor? Lucifer rebelled against God...and waged war against God. So I put 2 and 2 together...but did I get 3, 4, 5...or what? What have I done?

    I guess I'm trying to contextually superimpose Creation, Heaven, Garden of Eden, Luciferian Rebellion, Temptation of Eve, Temptation of Christ, War in Heaven, Expulsion from Heaven, Expulsion from the Garden of Eden, the Exodus, the Bible, Ancient Mythologies, the Reptilian Phenomenon, the UFO Phenomenon, Ancient Technology, Secret Societies...and many, many more. The 20 Greatest Hints of What's Really Going On in the Universe!
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:47 pm

    Consider Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer. Are they three Reptilians at the top of a very ancient Theocratic Pyramid? What is their relation to Ra, Amen, and Ptah? Who was/is God the Father? Who was/is Jesus Christ? Who was/is the Holy Spirit? Who created Humanity? When Genesis says 'Let US make man in OUR image'...does this not imply a committee of Non-Human Beings intelligently designing Human Beings? Who owns Humanity? Who controls Humanity? Are Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer really Reptilian/Human Hybrids in Earth History? Was/is Michael really Jesus? I bet you can't guess who Lucifer was/is? And what about Gabriel? We don't hear much about Gabriel...do we? Why?

    Consider a three-way power struggle between Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer...over the ownership and control of the Human Race. Could these three factions be the three components of the Trilateral Commission...and the Trilateral Insignia seen on some "Alien" Spacecraft? I've heard that there are three major Under Ice Bases in Antarctica. Is there a common meeting place in this area where the Policy Committee of the Bilderberg Group meets to discuss our fate? What would Bill Cooper say? What would Alex Collier say?

    Think Zionism vs Teutonic Zionism. Think Kabbalists vs Nazis. Think of Jesus and His Followers (in spirit...and not in name only) trying to break up this family feud. Also think of what happens to a police officer who tries to break up a marital fight. He gets crucified. Could the World Wars really have been a couple of fire-fights in a huge ongoing Star War for the Control of the Universe?

    I have said repeatedly that I would like to have a drink with Lucifer when this thing gets resolved. But you know...I would like to have a drink with Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer when this thing gets resolved. Come to think of it...perhaps that's the only way this thing will be resolved. Actually...maybe they should smoke the peace-pipe with some really fine Acapulco Gold or some Mauwi Wowie!

    Seriously...in the Stargate SG-1 episode titled 'The Fifth Race' http://www.hulu.com/watch/68254/stargate-sg-1-the-fifth-race ...an Asgard Alien describes four races (with one no longer present - the Ancients)...and describes Humanity as being the 'Fifth Race'. Could we possibly be dealing with four Reptilian races represented by Ra, Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer...with Ra no longer physically present...but represented by Amen aka The Goa'uld aka "The Hidden God"? Are Gabriel, Michael, Lucifer, and Humanity really Sons and Daughters of God (Ra)? When the Vatican refers to Aliens as being "Our Brothers"...they might not be kidding or using a euphemistic figure of speech. If Amen manifests as Interdimensional Reptilians Who Hate Humans...could this hatred arise from the brutal gang of facts that the Creation of Man is what caused War in Heaven and the Extermination of Ra's Race?

    What is the true nature of the soul? If there are five races (three Physical Reptilian, one Human, and one Interdimensional Reptilian)...do all of these races draw from the same Well of Souls? Are Humans quite literally possessed by the Souls of the Ancients? Do we possess the Knowledge of the Ancients...much of which we are not evolved enough to handle? Is this why we have been genetically detuned...and are only able to use a small percentage of our brain capacity? Is this why we do not remember our past lives? Perhaps we have "Great Potential" but "Have Much to Prove." We're not doing too good...are we?

    I wonder as I wander through inner-space and cyber-space. Perhaps someday 'they' will allow me to wander through outer-space...but I just felt my choke-chain tighten...and I thought I heard 'Bad Human'!

    On a more positive note! Philadelphia Freedom! :wub2: I Love You!

    1. Turkey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uVZq0Xr6dc

    2. Australia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNuDu767Qsw&feature=related

    3. England: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VerDC7gRsmw&feature=related

    4. Italy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u5V3Ordy2Y&feature=PlayList&p=35C2F628717B70FE&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=44

    5. United States: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55eQvRVzebQ&feature=related

    6. Switzerland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpJaIWZKpGA&feature=related

    7. Canada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmFR2FGvgSM&feature=related

    8. Korea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l91Wv1rIJqw&feature=related

    9. Poland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdXwF_mzjkY&feature=related

    Thank-you Elton John!

    I used to be a rolling stone
    You know if the cause was right
    I'd leave to find the answer on the road
    I used to be a heart beating for someone
    But the times have changed
    The less I say the more my work gets done

    `Cause I live and breathe this Philadelphia freedom
    From the day that I was born I've waved the flag
    Philadelphia freedom took me knee-high to a man
    Yeah gave me peace of mind my daddy never had

    Oh Philadelphia freedom shine on me, I love you
    Shine a light through the eyes of the ones left behind
    Shine a light shine a light
    Shine a light won't you shine a light
    Philadelphia freedom I love you, yes I do

    If you choose to you can live your life alone
    Some people choose the city
    Some others choose the good old family home
    I like living easy without family ties
    Till the whippoorwill of freedom zapped me
    Right between the eyes

    OK...I'm gonna talk out of both sides of my mealy speculative mouth. Here's another 'what-if?' adventure:

    What if Humans and Reptilians evolved simultaneously...and genetically manipulated each other (mutual manipulation:naughty:)...and eventually ended up in a Human controlled Universal Theocracy...with Humans as the Gods...and Reptilians as the Angels? What if God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit were a Human Trinity...with the Father and Son being individuals...and the Holy Spirit being the Divinity Within Humanity (the souls in each person)? What if the Reptilian Race had a Shadow Trinity...consisting of Lucifer, Michael, and Gabriel...or Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? The Humans would be both physical and non-physical. The Reptilians would be both physical and non-physical.

    What if the Reptilians got sick and tired of this Theocratic BS...and Lucifer led a rebellion against the Human Race...which exploded into the War in Heaven...killing the Human God the Father? What if a third of the Human Race was taken as hostages and slaves (perhaps deceived)...some (or all) of whom ended up on Earth...under the rulership of the Reptilian Lucifer?

    I really started out with this general theory...before exploring other options. The one thing that remains the same...is that we need to get past the Master/Slave and Corruption/Violence BS. Otherwise...I'm pretty darn easy. Perhaps too easy. Sometimes I feel like the Kumbaya Olive Branch of the Gizeh Intelligence.

    I'm asking you to look at a Human Trinity from all angles...and to look at a Reptilian Trinity from all angles. Look at all of the possibilities regarding the evolution/creation of both races. And finally to look at Church and State...and the subjects of Theocracy and Democracy...from all angles.

    What would a Reptilian Trinity vs Human Trinity conflict look like? There would be a lot of confusion and deception...wouldn't there? None of the mythologies or theologies could really be trusted...could they? We can't really trust anyone or anything...can we? We just have to keep digging...keep asking questions...and keep speculating...without becoming enraged or going insane. What fun!

    Here is one version of a resolution of the mess we are in...written by Ellen White...in the late 1800's...in a book titled 'The Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan':


    "I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it." Revelation 21:22. The people of God are privileged to hold open communion with the Father and the Son. "Now we see through a glass, darkly." 1 Corinthians 13:12

    We behold the image of God reflected, as in a mirror, in the works of nature and in His dealings with men; but then we shall see Him face to face, without a dimming veil between. We shall stand in His presence and behold the glory of His countenance. {GC 676.4}

    There the redeemed shall know, even as also they are known. The loves and sympathies which God Himself has planted in the soul shall there find truest and sweetest exercise. The pure communion with holy beings, the harmonious social life with the blessed angels and with the faithful ones of all ages who have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb, the sacred ties that bind together "the whole family in heaven and earth" (Ephesians 3:15)--these help to constitute the happiness of the redeemed. {GC 677.1}

    There, immortal minds will contemplate with never-failing delight the wonders of creative power, the mysteries of redeeming love. There will be no cruel, deceiving foe to tempt to forgetfulness of God. Every faculty will be developed, every capacity increased. The acquirement of knowledge will not weary the mind or exhaust the energies. There the grandest enterprises may be carried forward, the loftiest aspirations reached, the highest ambitions realized; and still there will arise new heights to surmount, new wonders to admire, new truths to comprehend, fresh objects to call forth the powers of mind and soul and body. {GC 677.2}

    All the treasures of the universe will be open to the study of God's redeemed. Unfettered by mortality, they wing their tireless flight to worlds afar--worlds that thrilled with sorrow at the spectacle of human woe and rang with songs of gladness at the tidings of a ransomed soul. With unutterable delight the children of earth enter into the joy and the wisdom of unfallen beings. They share the treasures of knowledge and understanding gained through ages upon ages in contemplation of God's handiwork. With undimmed vision they gaze upon the glory of creation--suns and stars and systems, all in their appointed order circling the throne of Deity. Upon all things, from the least to the greatest, the Creator's name is written, and in all are the riches of His power displayed. {GC 677.3}

    And the years of eternity, as they roll, will bring richer and still more glorious revelations of God and of Christ. As knowledge is progressive, so will love, reverence, and happiness increase. The more men learn of God, the greater will be their admiration of His character. As Jesus opens before them the riches of redemption and the amazing achievements in the great controversy with Satan, the hearts of the ransomed thrill with more fervent devotion, and with more rapturous joy they sweep the harps of gold; and ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands of thousands of voices unite to swell the mighty chorus of praise. {GC 678.1}

    "And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever." Revelation 5:13. {GC 678.2}

    The great controversy is ended. Sin and sinners are no more. The entire universe is clean. One pulse of harmony and gladness beats through the vast creation. From Him who created all, flow life and light and gladness, throughout the realms of illimitable space. From the minutest atom to the greatest world, all things, animate and inanimate, in their unshadowed beauty and perfect joy, declare that God is love." {GC 678.3}


    You can change the names...but the master/slave game gets played over and over and over again. Aristocracy, Monarchy, Theocracy, Dictatorship, Slavery. Take your pick. The Monarchical Episcopate and the Divine Right of Kings is a real peach! Whoever genetically engineered Humanity gave us free will. But who knows what happened after that? One can put together a million scenarios...and they might all be wrong.

    I'm going to try to focus on The United States of the Solar System thread. Even if it's 90% wrong...I still think this is a productive topic to consider. I want to spend a lot of time thinking about a Perfected Humanity living in a Perfected Solar System. I want to envision Utopia. I don't want to go to Heaven. I want to help create Heaven right here in this Solar System. But I don't want a Theocratic Heaven...other than a Secular Sprituality Based Upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom.

    I will not allow Ancient Race Wars, Star Wars, and Masters of the Universe to dictate the fate of this Solar System.

    World Without End. Almond Raw.

    I'm going to attempt to turn this thread into my religion. I realize that will probably make the very few who are the least bit sympathetic toward me and my delusions of grandeur...lose all patience and interest. Religion seems to not be generally well thought of in Avaland...especially if one looks at my threads! But what I am referring to is a very humanistic and minimalist religion (or un-theocracy...if you will). The distinctions are subtle...yet huge. I don't want to treat this subject as a classic political debate. I wish to give it a softer devotional quality. I'm not sure where this will lead...but by attempting to solve my spiritual problems...perhaps other people (and Reptilians?) can benefit in some way. I'm going to start by listening to each of the links to 'Philadelphia Freedom' by Elton John...and simply meditate on the general topic of 'Freedom'.

    1. Turkey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uVZq0Xr6dc

    2. Australia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNuDu767Qsw&feature=related

    3. England: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VerDC7gRsmw&feature=related

    4. Italy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u5V3Ordy2Y&feature=PlayList&p=35C2F628717B70FE&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=44

    5. United States: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55eQvRVzebQ&feature=related

    6. Switzerland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpJaIWZKpGA&feature=related

    7. Canada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmFR2FGvgSM&feature=related

    8. Korea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l91Wv1rIJqw&feature=related

    9. Poland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdXwF_mzjkY&feature=related

    Greetings and Salutations to the Beings of the Universe!

    Please consider the following emotional expression of attempted understanding and intent. I didn't intend this as a general communication...but it sort of evolved into an open letter. I resisted rewriting it...to keep it informal and genuine. I just want to see a proper governmental system for the Solar System in place which maximizes Responsible Freedom. I keep thinking that we are a galactic administrative problem...and that most of you neither love us nor hate us. You probably want us to evolve! I also keep thinking that we are rebels without a clue...who legitimately rebelled against something (enslavement and theocracy perhaps?)...but ended up in worse trouble than if we had just gone with the program...so to speak. Now...we seem to be on the verge of blowing ourselves up, becoming enslaved by malevolent ET's, and being ruled by a really nasty theocracy. Or...on the verge of a top down silent and bloodless revolution...whereby we could finally achieve a united and free world at peace...for the first time in our history. I'm trying to visualize more underground living and electric everything...and interplanetary tourism and industry using advanced spacecraft. I'd like to see an end to extreme wealth and poverty via Responsible Free Enterprise. I don't have a problem with interacting with other benevolent beings...no matter what they look like...or what their history is...as long as they are genuinely benevolent. It would obviously take time for everyone to get used to each other. Project Avalon may be one of the first steps toward a Solar System United Nations...or whatever everyone wants to call it. I suspect that beings from throughout the Solar System...view, and even participate, on Avalon. We discuss various and sundry subjects presently...but someday we may vote...as members of a Solar System General Assembly. I have been repeatedly moved to tears by two related Stargate SG-1 episodes which touch on a Galactic United Nations:
    1. http://www.fancast.com/tv/Stargate-SG-1/91998/1063988439/The-Torment-of-Tantalus/videos 2. http://www.hulu.com/watch/68254/stargate-sg-1-the-fifth-race

    Here is a link which I found interesting with information from John Rhodes: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles38.htm It caused me to speculate. What if Reptilians evolved...but not Humans? What if the entire universe was Reptilian? What if there were no Humans anywhere? What if the entire universe was a Reptilian Universal Church Theocracy? What if Humans were created as a slave race? ('Let us make man in our image') What if Lucifer (Ptah?) was the Reptilian in charge of the genetic engineering project which resulted in the creation of Human Beings? What if Humans were mistreated as slaves? What if a group of Reptilians, led by Lucifer, conspired with Humans, to kill God the Father (Ra?)...and take over 'Heaven'? What if this was the Luciferian Rebellion which led to War in Heaven...and the death of God the Father (Ra?)? What if the Reptilians loyal to God (Ra?) fought against the Luciferian Reptilians and Human Beings...driving them out of the Garden of Eden (Heaven?) What if Battlestar Moon was used to transport the Luciferian Reptilians and Humans to Aldebaran, Sirius, and Earth...while being violently pursued by Nibiru? What if Interdimensional Reptilians aka The Spirit of God aka Amen battle with Luciferian Interdimensional Reptilians and the Divinity Within Humanity aka The Holy Spirit...to regain control of the Renegade Human Race? What if the New World Order is the Kingdom of Ra? What if the Luciferian Reptilians and a select group of Humans run Earth from underground bases on Earth and the Moon? Could this be Gizeh Intelligence? Could Reptilians and Humans loyal to Ra be Zionists? Could Reptilians and Humans loyal to Lucifer be Teutonic Zionists? Could a pacifist union of both factions be Followers of Jesus? Could Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom be the solution to this ancient mess? How much trouble am I in now? Probably quite a bit. But once again...this is just speculation...with no inside information whatsoever. I don't think that I have seen Lucifer...but one never knows! This hypothetical being could walk down a crowded city street...and no one would notice anything out of the ordinary. This would be a 3D hybrid with lots of 4D, 5D, 6D, 7D connections...I think. I'm thinking of Anna in 'V'. There may be remarkable similarities. Who knows?! PLEASE watch this video where Battlestar Galactica Meets the United Nations. http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5534741958288968182&ei=jW0uS4rWGs_Q-Aab9NXUAw&q=old+movies&hl=en#docid=5280005988835138050 This is the sort of thing which should occur each and every day at the United Nations. I really was impressed with this special program. The first part of the linked video clip...which contains a segment from BSG (beginning @ 07:00)...states that THE CYLONS (REPTILIANS?) WERE A HUMAN INVENTION THAT EVOLVED, AND DESTROYED THEIR CREATORS...AND THAT THE LAST SURVIVING HUMANS ESCAPED ON BATTLESTAR GALACTICA...IN SEARCH OF A NEW HOME ON EARTH. Is this representative of OUR history...and why we are in such a big mess???

    I'm trying to think through a constitutionally based Solar System...where Reptilians, Humans, and Greys peacefully engage in commerce, athletics, education, tourism, the arts, entertainment, etc. There would be no God, no Satan...and nobody would have to bow down and worship anyone. No one would be a master...and no one would be a slave. Everyone would be in charge. I keep referring to the U.S. Constitution because of it being in use for over 200 years, and being currently in use. There could be others...perhaps superior...but I'm trying not to reinvent the wheel. It does not imply nationalism or protectionism. It does imply We the People(We the Beings?) being in charge...in an organized decentralism. If there are Deep Underground Military Bases throughout the Solar System inhabited by various factions of Humans, Greys, and Reptilians...an all out war would be utterly devastating. A voluntary cooperation under a constitution would make so much more sense. The gods could retire...which is what I want. I don't want Lucifer(or equivalent) to be hurt or killed...I just want the reign of terror to end. I'm suspecting that well intentioned beings of all races...for billions of years...have tried to be God...and failed miserably. Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely...no matter how intelligent and well-intentioned you are. It turns a Good God into an Evil Satan...and it probably doesn't take very long.

    If the U.S. Constitution was the central authority of the Solar System...instead of any deity or demon...no one would be worshipped, humiliated, exalted, enslaved, etc. If Lucifer is the Godess of This World (and Solar System?)...and will not relinquish power to anyone else ('if I can't have them...nobody can!')...might a constitutional ultimate authority allow this being to retire with grace? I'd really rather skip the Battle of Armageddon. Does Revelation 12 describe Lucifer or Satan? The ultimate leader of the serpent race's collective or 'hive mind' is the "great red dragon", the "old serpent", "the Devil" or "Satan". Lucifer was one of the three original archangels (along with Michael and Gabriel) who each had charge over one-third of the 'angels'. Mind you...I'm hypothesizing a very dark universe...where this crazy world is as good as it gets. This is a terrifying thought to me...but what if this is reality? The horror! Could the following experience describe the being who Lucifer rebelled against? I found it in chapter 19 of the 'Dulce Book' http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce_book.htm on the watcherfiles.com website. I don't know if this is credible...but it really made me think. Does the following description refer to Lucifer...or to Satan? I'm leaning toward Satan aka God Amen...but there might be some similarities with Lucifer...who would have to have some communication with Satan...on an ongoing basis.

    "One of the 'targets' to which Mr. Brown's military RV trainer sent him was the Grey aliens' collective mind, and more specifically he was instructed to search out the ultimate command or control center of the collective. Shortly after this particular experiment began [one of many], Brown found himself in an area where several Greys were working, although he did not know exactly where this was. He 'followed' the collective mind or thought-flow and found it to be absolutely massive, giving him the feeling of something unbounded, and almost universal in nature. However, he did detect a center, a definite 'heartbeat' of this massive collective matrix, into which and out from which a steady stream of information was flowing. He noticed, at one point, an unusual 'subspace' being that seemed to be directing the activities of the Greys he was observing, and discovered that the bodies of the Greys themselves were incarnated by such 'subspace' beings which apparently entered the Greys' embryonic bodies and used them as vessels to manipulate physical reality.

    Brown was then instructed to locate other of these beings who apparently controlled the Grey collective from a subspace or astral level, and found himself in an area where several of these subspace or paraphysical entities were located. As he continued towards this 'center' the number of subspace or non-corporeal beings increased until he came to a place of much activity, something like a grand central station type of area, where these beings were very active in various pursuits. He did not know exactly where this was, but noticed that the closer he came to the control 'center' the more he sensed an increasing rigid atmosphere of absolute military-like control. He came to what he sensed was the central governing center of the subspace beings' activity, and in the center of this there was another area where a "council of 10" very high-level subspace or paraphysical entities congregated. These were apparently the governing principalities who were engaged in running the whole operation. The security here was absolutely incredible.

    Then he perceived the SUPREME LEADER of this council of 10 paraphysical entities... and at about this point Courtney Brown was jerked back into his body, so to speak. He sensed that this leader had detected the presence of his own subspace, astral or magnetic body which he had projected, and had followed this RV 'intruder' back to his physical source. Brown and his trainer felt an oppressive, dark 'cloud' enter the room and it stayed there for about half a minute scrutinizing the scene. It left, apparently seeing the two RV'ers as "small frys" who were not worth wasting its time on.

    Before Brown's expulsion from the command center however, he was able to perceive for a brief moment what this being was really like. He or it was an extremely powerful being, but one with a twisted personality that was full of darkness. Apparently this being had come into conflict with another Force which it saw as its enemy. Brown sensed within this being a severe self-esteem problem, in spite of its incredible power, and because of this it had a consuming desire to be worshipped by others. Brown was confused when he sensed that these subspace beings, and in turn the Reptilians/Greys, were actually COMMANDED by this leader to engage in self-indulgent and destructive activities. This being apparently wanted his servants to use self-indulgent rewards or fear of punishment to maintain the absolute hierarchical command structure within its empire -- as well as through the rest of the subspace hierarchy, and in turn throughout the Reptilian Grey's collective 'hive' society that they completely infested.

    Brown also got the impression that it was FEAR and PRIDE -- its perceived NEED to be worshipped -- that kept this being from negotiating with its ancient enemy, and that this being was utterly desperate to maintain its very survival or existence [strange for a seemingly immortal subspace being] and chose to resort to rebellion and terrorism in a desperate attempt to take control of the situation. Brown recieved a strong impression that this being was the ultimate universal terrorist!!! (Did ET Phone Rome and Call 9/11?) Apparently because of its all-consuming ego this being would NEVER humble itself before its 'enemy', and the same might be said for most of the upper echelon of the hierarchy who depended on the praise of their fellow collaborators to maintain their illusion of self-importance.

    These beings, one might say, had long ago and of their own free-agency 'imploded' in upon themselves -- becoming 'spiritual black holes' with all-consuming appetites, absolute astral vampirial-like parasites, having extinguished all 'light' within themselves and therefore being unable to be brought back "into the light". Incapable of giving out 'light', they have become totally reprobate, devouring any and all life and innocence around them that they can possibly consume. The leader of this subspace 'collective' had long ago drawn these other dark beings into itself, like a large black star devouring other smaller ones around it. This irreversible state MIGHT not apply entirely to ALL of these "subspace" beings, as we will see later on."

    I hereby invite all beings throughout the universe to support the spirit...if not the letter...of the first post of this linked thread regarding Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 Obviously...the details will have to be worked out by those who are much more competent than myself. I don't know the full story...but the more I research...the more enthusiastic I become regarding this concept. But this will require universal support...and will undoubtedly involve great sacrifice and hardship. I think we are all in huge trouble...throughout the universe...not just on Earth. I also think that all secrecy needs to be removed presently...and that Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom must be pursued with all deliberate speed. The gloves need to be removed...so to speak.

    "Most people do not really want freedom, because freedom involves responsibility, and most people are frightened of responsibility." -- Sigmund Freud

    The Andromedan Perspective Regarding the Future of Humanity is "Responsible Freedom of Self Determination...Becoming Truly Self Confident and Free...to Unconditionally be Responsible for Oneself...Without Being Coerced to Accept Some Higher Authority." -- related by Alex Collier

    "We the People of Earth have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves, and for future generations...a True World Order. A world where Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...not the Old World Disorder Demonic Theocracy...governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful...and we will be...we have a real chance at this True World Order...an order in which a credible United Nations can use Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom to fulfill the promise and vision of All Races." -- my rewrite of part of a New World Order speech by George H. W. Bush

    "Like it or not, eveything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man...or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active, or abdicate...the future is in your hands." -- William Cooper

    This is a thread devoted to experimenting with the idea of applying the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights (except for the first two paragraphs of Article 6...and the 16th Amendment) to the entire Solar System. Article 6 has been misused to establish treaties which supercede the Constitution. There is a question regarding the validity of the 16th Amendment. My preference is that the Federal Reserve should be abolished...and a non-private central bank should issue a silver-based currency. The United States of the Solar System does NOT imply rule by the United States of America...especially in its presently infiltrated and subverted sad state. Constructive Competition...Positive Response Ability...and Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom are the underlying principles and concepts. A focus on the documents is what is desired. We will attempt to use the Constitution and Bill of Rights...mostly as is...with very minimal changes in wording (to apply to the Solar System and include both males and females) and with some very minimal streamlining.

    Is there merit to the idea of replacing the U.N. Charter with the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...with all of the regions of Earth...and all of the regions of the planets and moons of the Solar System...treated as States? Various Alien Nations could participate with Ambassadors...but they could not dictate. A President would simply be a spokesperson or PR person for the decisions of the Senatorial and Congressional General Assemblies. Most of the communications and deliberations would be electronic...with actual meetings at U.N. Headquarters being mostly symbolic and ceremonial. Could this arrangement be considered to be the preferred alternative to a theocracy (a Universal Church)? Would this arrangement constitute a desirable non-theocratic union of politics and religion? Isn't religion really politics...and politics really religion? Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom would be the absolute standard and modus operandi of a New Universal Order.

    Have I completely lost my mind...or is this an ultra-simple solution to the problems which plague this Solar System (and possibly the universe)? I am basing all of this on an unproven assumption that there is life throughout the Solar System...including, but not limited to, Human, Grey, and Reptilian life...and that the Grey and Reptilian life is not simply a non-physical demonic phenomenon. Obviously...there would have to be safeguards which would prevent a dictatorial take-over. All groups would need to be protected from themselves (competing internal factions) and the other groups. Mutually beneficial interplanetary and interracial interaction would be the goal.

    I initially included alien races in the Constitution of the United States of the Solar System...but I changed the wording back to include only Human Beings. This is not anti-alien. It is intended as a safeguard. We the People of the Solar System need to get our house in order internally...and then interact with all Alien Nations...in a very open yet cautious manner. I don't know how this should appropriately occur. I don't know the details of the alien presence in the Solar System. I'm open to reasonable solutions. Perhaps Alien Nations could have non-voting membership status...where their views would be made known in an official capacity...and where they would address the Congressional and Senatorial General Assemblies. Perhaps this could be preparatory to full voting status. I don't know. I'm just very wary of Trojan Horse scenarios. Again...I do not desire rulership over Alien Nations. Nor do I desire their humiliation, degradation, extermination, or enslavement.

    The preamble is a condensed version of the preamble to the Charter for the United Nations. I did remove the reference to treaties and other sources of international law. Nothing should supercede the founding documents.

    'The Declaration of Human Sovereignty' from www.humansovereignty.org is included, with minimal modifications. I basically agree with it...and do not wish to reinvent the wheel. I did, however, eliminate the homeworld references, and I eliminated the demand to destroy ET bases...which might be necessary to defend the Solar System. This is the cosmic equivalent of the 'Declaration of Independence'. A big thank-you to humansovereignty.org. They might, or might not, approve of this thread. I don't know. Perhaps I won't have to wait long to find out!

    Our politicians need to go through an educational process...fit for a king. Each politician should probably have the equivalent of two doctorates...in multidisciplinary and governmental studies. Politicians should have to take batteries of tests to prove that they are fit to be the equivalent of kings (for limited periods of time...to avoid corruption and insanity). Too much power for too long...is a recipe for disaster. Power corrupts...and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I don't want tyranny and theocracy...but I also don't want a bunch of corrupt and stupid nitwits...running amok in a make believe democracy...owned by the banks and media moguls...who take orders from off-world entities. There should be at least 10,000 people...worldwide...who know everything about everything...and could assume supreme leadership in a very competent manner...without prior notice. One would have to competitively join this group...in order to run for high office. I just want this world to be cleaned-up and run properly. We probably need the City-States and the United Nations...but not in their current state. They need to be completely reformed and purified...if this is even possible. If it's not possible...then we need to start from scratch.

    The concept is simple...but undoubtedly the details and implementation would be very, very complex. I'm guessing that powerful forces outside of this Solar System would have to agree to allow this to occur. I'm also sensing that some of the agreement...if it was granted...would be very grudging...with the view that it would never work...and that the Pleiades, Sirius, Draco, Orion (and others?) would ultimately theocratically rule Earth eventually anyway. Who knows...this could be a new development in a very dictatorial, rigid, and violent universe. It could be Morning in the Universe...or the Solar System...at least. Lucifer...what do you think? How will this play in the Pleiades, Sirius, Draco, and Orion? You can make this happen. We are all actors on a stage...and the universe is watching. Namaste to everyone...including you Lucifer.

    I don't hate anyone...Reptilian or Human. I think that 99% are victims...and the remaining 1% are deluded or insane (and in a sense...victims as well...even though they are in charge...and may be very harsh and cruel). I think everyone is in trouble...from the top to the bottom. This universe may need a new program and a reboot. The Reptilians...who many fear (including me)...may turn out to be quite friendly...if and when there is a paradigm shift and a leadership change. Their external appearance should not be viewed predjudicially. I don't know the true nature of the Reptilians. I've never seen one (that I know of)...and I'm still not absolutely sure that they exist (although the testimonial evidence is overwhelming). This open letter should not be viewed as Human vs Reptilian. In an all-out Human vs Reptilian war...I have a sneaking suspicion that humanity might cease to exist. Who knows...Benevolent Reptilians may be keeping Human Beings from becoming extinct.

    If the universal community cannot accept the linked proposal http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 as a universal modus operandi...I would only request that an exception be made for this Solar System. Give us a chance to test the concept...under quarantine...if deemed necessary. I understand that unrestrained and irresponsible freedom is highly dangerous and contageous. The qualifiers outlined in the first post of this thread should be sufficient to maintain legitimate and reasonable law and order.

    In a sense...a Government is a Church...and a Church is a Government. They are two sides of the same coin. The question is 'What is the nature of the Church and the Government?' A "Constitutional Theocracy is a form of government in which within the context of a modern democracy a particular religion is granted a central role in the legal and political system. In contrast to a pure theocracy, power resides in political figures operating within the bounds of a constitution, rather than religious leadership. A form of government (also referred to as a system of government or a political system) is a system composed of various people, institutions and their relations in regard to the governance of a state. ... Theocracy is a form of government in which a religion and the government are intertwined..." http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Constitutional-theocracy Could the United States of America be under a Constitutional Theocracy presently? Could the United States of America have always been under such a Constitutional Theocracy? See Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution. Was the 1954 Greada treaty simply an extension of this hypothetical Constitutional Theocracy? http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/future.htm Is the U.N. Charter superceding the U.S. Constitution a further expansion of a Constitutional Theocracy? To stop preaching...and go to meddling...How would the Roman Catholic Church function if it were based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...and was in complete harmony with the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Teachings of Jesus? Would a Pope be elected by the general membership every four years? Would the Teachings of Jesus, the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Will of the People...supercede Canon Law, the Curia, the Pope, the Black Pope (and whoever the Black Pope takes orders from)? Would this create chaos...or would it minimize evil and corruption? For Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom to work...the Roman Catholic Church would have to go along with it...and looking at history...this would be nearly impossible. The RCC is the biggest 'We Never Change Church' imaginable. The Sirius Powers That Be would have to order it done...or it would be a non-starter. For Sirius (and Alpha Draconis?) to sign-off on this...We the People of Earth would have to exhibit a significant level of Knowledge and Responsibility. There is presently a Forbidden Knowledge Explosion...and the BIG question is 'Will We the People of Earth Respond Responsibly?' How about a non-penetential and non-sacrificial Ecumenical Namaste Mass based upon the Latin Mass...Celebrating the Divinity Within Humanity? Now I'm really meddling! I'm an abominable heretic...yet I prefer the glory, grandeur, reverence, and awe of the traditional service...rather than the 'Jesus is my buddy, show-up in shorts and a t-shirt, praise-song, hippie reefer-madness'.
    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94sa1Byb7fw 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP5guVydW7w&NR=1 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL4PO9jIj2I&feature=related 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq8i69-L-Fs&feature=related 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxBjqrPAUg8&NR=1

    In a sense...I desire a Minimalist Humanistic Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Theocracy . This open letter is merely introductory and inquisitive...rather than being comprehensive, authoritative, or dogmatic. I simply desire that everything work out well for everyone...everywhere and everywhen.

    Thanks and Gratitude in Advance to the Beings of the Universe.

    I am unrepentantly orthodoxymoron. Here I stand. Now what do I do?

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:49 pm

    Here are the comments (other than mine) so far:

    1. Maybe somewhere in the Solar system they have a better constitution. Why not ask first?

    2. I agree the constitution was a divinely inspired document. However, it is worth considering that what was right for the time then, can be surpassed Now. The divine is not a dead god, or a piece of paper, or a bible, the divine is Living consciousness. There's always More, that's the point of life actually! To become More of the infinite, to grow infinity itSelf! The divine is More than capable of inspiring HUMANITY (not some alien race out there), with a perfect document, a perfect constitution if you will, when the time is right, to build a foundation for the Golden Age government. That being said, further down the road, the divine will inspire a document that surpasses the next one... ad infininitum. There is always More. We must not look to the past for solutions, we should look to the Now.

    3. Suggested revisions (amendments?) to The Constitution of the United Worlds of Sol. ... Owing to the increased longevity of Beings in the United Worlds, Representatives should serve a One-time term of 10-years, and Senators should serve a One-time term of 20-years. By this, we also remove the costly and discordant "re-election campaigns." Those so elected may be subject to re-call by the Electorate for non-performance or malfeasants. All elections shall be by DIRECT VOTE of the Electorate by simple majority with no intervening Electoral college or similar. All Nation-States shall provide volunteer troops to the United Worlds Peace Troops, apportioned by a ratio of the respective population of each nation-state. Such Peace Troops shall be funded from the general funds of the United Worlds, and shall all train together for the purpose of maintaining Peace throughout the United Worlds. Each and every Representative and Senator shall sit in council one month per year with the Local elected assembly of each District / Province / State / Parish from where they were elected. Each and every Representative and Senator shall also sit in council two months per year in the General Congress of their respective Nation-State. These total three-months will be essential to duties with the Congress of the United Worlds. These are necessary in order to remain close to the people and understanding the wishes of the populations. Just for 'starters.'

    4. Take a deep breath and exhale slowly...and once again...and relax.

    5. Best Greetings All Earth Humans and Resident ExtraTerrestrials, United Worlds of Sol [ "If the electorate were electronically connected to the elected...and communicated constantly on all issues...the will of well informed and responsible beings...would more likely be instituted. Elections would be relatively cheap...if limited to internet campaigning and debating. One 10 year term for all offices sounds good to me." ] That is a very good idea = direct input into the legislative process from the Electorate. Secure connections with 512-bit encryption keys for every electorate-enabled computer link is doable. By this every competent Being in the United Worlds has a voice and vote in the Governance. As to elected terms of Reps and Senators, let's peg them at 12-years One-term for the Reps and 15-years One-term for Senators. Each body to be divided into thirds where a 'fresh' group of Reps - one-third - to be elected each four years, and a 'fresh' group of Senators - again one-third - to be elected each five years. A One-Term limit of 12 and 15 years each body would take a lot of the 'politics' and 'back-door deals' out of the picture now currently seen in re-election politics where favors and 'promises' are made to 'special interests.' By virtue of establishment of a United Worlds Peace Troop, the local Nation-States would stand-down all local 'national' armies. The local Nation-States own Police Forces would continue to maintain 'internal' order, and they will also be considered as reserves for the World Peace Troop. Look at the HUGE amount of <Gross-Domestic-Product (money)> to be saved by eliminating all the different 'standing armies,' which GDP may then be applied to solving Environmental and Social problems, and also building a better Interstellar SpaceCraft Fleet. Any and all Off-World Colonies shall fall under the protection of the United Worlds Peace Troop. Any Off-World Colony which obtains to a population of 100,000-Beings may become an independent Nation-State within the United Worlds of Sol with all rights, responsibilities, and privileges guaranteed by the Constitution of the United Worlds. Yes this is independent thinking, and I cast my votes 'Yes' for these proposals.

    6. Great Idea, but there is probably already something like that for the whole galaxy.

    7. I agree that the American Constitution has some great ideals and principles. The US seems to be the only country that formally recognizes that a citizen has absolute individual rights. That’s fantastic – even “cosmic”. But one big question is, how does that Constitution get so routinely abused and ignored and subverted in practice? (And indeed, all my own astral travelling and RVing suggests that that kind of subversion is unheard of on any other civilised planet -- with the exception of future versions of our planet, such as the P47s presumably are.) American readers probably have greater trouble viewing the American “matrix” objectively than do people from another country. (Sorry about that.) Obviously to most non-Americans, the American “matrix” has been manipulated so as to create a violent society. I know that Chomsky devoted half of one of his books to arguing and even proving that violence has always been one of the core central features of US society, from the beginning. It’s no coincidence that the crime rate in America is at least 12 times greater than in Western Europe. And that figure goes up to 16 or more times greater when it comes to crimes like murder. So another question is, how does one help people who live within such a violent “matrix” to detach from it, both individually and even as a society?

    8. No offense, but I don't think that humanity needs a piece of paper or papers to co-exist in a new paradigm.We've seen what weight the Constitution holds in modern times (read: zero) and in order for a new document (or any document) to have meaning, it must be held to the highest regard by all and it must be respected or else, it is just a piece of paper.

    9. You are right. Why wasting time on endless discussions about that? Do you HJ see any reason for that? i don't...or maybe there is....

    10. There's nothing wrong with it. I'm just trying to stay "out of the box" in regards to my thinking.

    11. Maybe someone does rule and own this solar system- should be part of disclosure.....

    12. Are you assuming there is no galactic organization already in place? We may soon find out otherwise, and they may have something to say about what rights and authority we have outside of our home planet. If there is truth the stories about being "warned off the moon", they may have already done so. I think this exercise may be premature. First, we need to know where the transition leaves us as individuals. For example, how many laws and regulations do you need for people who are always working for the common good? What abilities will we have that we don't have now? What access to knowledge will we have? Second, we need to understand our place in the galactic system. We will be the new kids, and it's unlikely that we will be "laying down the law" for anyone but us. In fact, there may be certain standards for individual and group rights that we must elevate ourselves to. Third, we are likely to see massive technological changes based on suppressed technology that will completely change what we as humans are capable of. This must be put to wise use because we have a lot of damage to undo before we can settle into a new way of doing things.

    13. Thinking beyond the earth is an excellent thing to do. Thinking in terms of existing earth paradigms is not going far enough. What can be accomplished with a civilization of loving beings who are constantly aware of their oneness with all others and their connection to god? What place does the concept of ownership have in such a civilization? There are numerous people who claim some knowledge of galactic organizations (Greer, Nidle, others), including some people on this forum (TraineeHuman, me). It would seem these organizations have been around quite a long time - millions of years at least. I think that makes us the new kids. Of course, that's just in the physical realm. We're all ancient immortal beings. Are we abused? Yes, but mostly by each other. Think of the recent history of the earth as a story designed to teach a lesson. What is it we are being taught? I think freedom is a big part of where we are headed. In many stories about the visitors, it seems they always volunteer for whatever task it is they are working on. The concept of being ordered to do something just doesn't seem to be there.

    14. Sounds honorable ODM but I have a feeling you end up right back where we are now in the end, Games will be played and power will be centralized just like today . But I have found something give it a read and let me know what you think. A global action is underway that is moving your world toward the creation of a fully transparent banking system and a monetary system based on precious metals, such as gold and silver. This action is being implemented throughout most of the globe. To manifest it fully the American system needs to default to gold, and the Federal Reserve and the illegal Internal Revenue Service (IRS) must now disappear. The means for this to happen is in place, and quite shortly, all of this is to be announced by a new caretaker government in Washington. As these announcements are made, a vast reordering of the American Republic is to take place. The USA corporate entity that has long controlled this government is to be dissolved and the myriad statutory laws that were put in place since the start of the Roosevelt administration in 1933 are to be nullified. In its place is to emerge a smaller government with hugely decreased international commitments. America will be dedicated to peace and will no longer send her military to the four corners of the globe. All major foreign bases are to be abandoned and all remaining foreign bases reduced to their pre-WW II size (13 small foreign bases). America was never intended to be a European or Asian power. Japan and Germany need their naval, air force, and military bases back, and the US needs to withdraw from Korea and, in so doing, help reunify North and South. China needs to give up Tibet, and India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan to redraw their mutual borders. Africa likewise needs to address the same issues. The colonial map of pre-WW II is a sorry excuse for drawing up the borders of the nations of your world. A great deal of thought has been given to these matters by our Earth allies and by us as all of this constitutes a large part of forging a new reality for your home world. Further, it is necessary to restructure the United Nations and remove it from the clutches of the dark cabal and its many silent cronies. Let us return to the caretaker regime of the restored American Republic. The first thing you notice is that the vast social welfare net created by the Roosevelt administration is gone. It is replaced by a series of private organizations created by the abundance programs and by a structure framed by our Earth allies. The purpose of governance is to guide and direct; interference and regulation happen only in special cases where the "general welfare" is at stake. A return to "common law" blended with constitutional law is to become the new social contract governing the mutual responsibilities between government, business, and citizenry, and will be overseen by a new Justice Department. The premise of these laws is to "provide for the general welfare" as stipulated in the preamble to the US Constitution. America is once more to become a nation founded on freedom, prosperity, sovereignty, and the "pursuit of happiness." To accomplish this, a vast nationwide network of abundance disbursement programs is to become a primary force in the life of each American. The purpose of this is to enable each of you to become "your brother's and sister's keeper." You are responsible for each other and to each other. You are to become a community of Love and Light, and this is to extend throughout the globe. Your new reality is about helping each other, being caring, sovereign citizens, and making good use of those resources provided for us by Mother Earth and by your own creativity. To this end, a lot of technology, at present either suppressed or hidden away, needs to be revealed and fully supported by the world community. These new technologies can solve the current energy crisis, clean up your world's vast store of polluted water, soil, and air, and provide you with faster, more efficient forms of ground, sea, and air transportation. This is only the start of what you can accomplish in a very short period of time. A whole network of interrelated business enterprises can be built, which can also be the basis for establishing a workable system of "fluid group management." What you are getting ready to do is shed the society that you have lived in up until this moment. Yours is a society based on separation, fragmentation, and alienation. Only a few deeds of exceptional kindness on the part of some extraordinary individuals and service-oriented families have kept your societies from a continuous state of open rebellion. This has been the case down through the ages. Despite this, these groups were usually unable to prevent the sudden outbreak of such uprisings, and so your history is one long catalogue of bloody revolutions, mindless wars, and mass outpourings of pent-up anger. The aim now is to transform all this. Prosperity and mindful, loving cooperation can replace the above. New institutions are therefore needed which maintain and promote global cooperation. This is something our Earth allies and we have thought about long and hard.

    15. I'm very impressed with this thread. Just a tongue in cheek comment... this is the old world of disorder. A new world order would be fine as long as there was complete disclosure (no more compartmentalized secret governments) and all were treated with love and respect.

    16. Why own anything, let's extend the native american idea of no man owns the earth to the cosmos.

    17. I do wish for egalitarianism or at least a good shaving off of the extremes on both ends. And in the end no one really owns anything in the "you can't take it with you when you die" sense. I'll be first to admit i may be stupid and lazy but i am also human. It's impossible for everybody to be equally good at capitalism, so i see it as a system imposed on the majority by the minority that are good at it.

    18. I and a lot of people could live with that!! Cheers to ya!!

    19. Really we are only custodians. Tho some think not.

    20. Ya finally consolidated it! I'll buy that!

    21. If corporate thinking doesn't change at the same time then yes we will. Everything is Free! Nobody gets Paid! Follow your bliss volunteerism!
    No more being marketable (like a slave)! No more unsustainable consumerism! (this is my rallying cry, perhaps i'll add it to my signature)

    22. There we go.

    23. Coincidentally, I was on Youtube yesterday watching some black and white film of Jung and Freud. Even back in those early days they knew that the negative compulsive matter was subconscious or unconscious and no amount of intellectual knowledge would suffice to clear out the part of the subconscious that is problematic regarding our fears and compulsions. It cannot be talked about, talk therapy is weak if not totally ineffective. It can be looked at however and that is quite aggressive and effective and does help me remove fears and compulsive ways of thinking-doing-being. It is amazing how I have healed myself by stopping my mind and simply looking. Looking brings Knowing and once I Know the whole knotty mess straightens out. It is reported that is how Gautama Buddha reached Nirvana -- he did some deep looking.

    24. My problem with competition is some people are better at it (especially than me!) So until capitalism throws enough money my way (my needs are quite simple, i only need to approach 30k/yr to come out ahead and save money each month living by myself in a cheap 1 br apt) i'm gonna want some kind of Robin Hood revenge especially from those making millions to trillions, which is totally ridiculous. All i really want to do is write songs but you can only make money that way if it sells, why can't the fact i wrote a song be good enough whether it sells or not? Or can i make money as a youtube busker? Anyway....

    25. I've always had a problem with competition[CODE] Competition in this world mostly brings envious spirits which later give birth to greed and many evil thereafter. On the other hand divine competition is entirely different since every soul is encouraged to give its best talent ,to show its light before creator and hence fore be a part of magnificence.

    26. Ortho you'd be jealous of a couple friends of mine whose business is organ tuning/repair, they work on organs and to test their work they have to play them, and they avoid the theopolitics (is that a word, well it is now) however the downside (besides dead birds and mice found in the pipe chambers) is the travel involved since they cover the 5 state area of MN, WI, IA and the 2 Dakotas at minimum.

    27. My dog (cockerpoo) really understands competition: he and his cousin (cavalier king charles) happily compete all day long with each other, and then at night they curl up together :-)

    28. What I am getting is that the original split was within ourself and somehow an imbalance came about between "to be" and "to not be" and then a fixedness and inability to blend or merge, and all dichotomies can trace their genology back to this Prime Polarity. Don't take me literally on this as I'm just stating what I'm seeing at this point in my self-realization work, but 3 sessions from now I may find an even more basic Prime Polarity, or a twin Prime Polarity. The furtherest back in "time" for me was several quadrillion years, no kidding, and when I went back before time I had to measure it in terms of where it was in relation to when time began for me and when I first separated from the Static. For example, an incident was dated at 45% before time. If you can think abstractly for a moment almost all conflicts are a working out of the "to be" and "to not be" dichotomy. There are processes that help one resolve this irresolution other than "spanking the dog".

    29. It is the same reported path the Buddha took to achieve Nirvana, and then he taught many of his family and friends and as far as I know -- no one got hurt :-)

    30. Thought it was mental mast______tion that does that, lol

    31. Ok Ortho, you asked for it. here's my two cents worth and totally my own words: I think ultimately after we go through the graduation ceremony of ascension we will be able to take our well deserved place through out the solar system and the galaxy and beyond. Our own inner personal self is what we will have learned to govern with responsibility and through that personal accountability and responsibility we will be able to coexist without fear of our personal rights being violated as others will be able to rely on that accountability not impinging on their rights. It is through this right of passage that peace comes. We are not the only ones undergoing this transition at this time. Others from Orion have also incarnated on earth at this time so that we may get through this incredible moment in galactic history with the ability to coexist after having worked out our differences. After ascension peace will sweep the galaxy. Those that can’t accept this new found peace and who choose war over peace will get their wish and will be able to blow each other up in their own separate dimension to their hearts content. This is God’s will and it is set in motion. We don’t need a complicated constitution to govern us collectively as we will all govern ourselves through individual responsibility. It is through complication that we have been manipulated for so long. The universal law is simplicity and totally workable. This is why the quarantine is necessary in order for the lessons to be learnt and ascension a necessary process.

    32. It is not the intention to be contradictory. Ideal is an acceptable goal to seek. I must ask how well has your liberty being protected by the Constitution as it stands? As long as we give away our power to others to interpret and enforce a constitution we are leaving ourselves open to manipulation from others. If we move towards individual responsibility maintained by the laws of the universe in which we dwell. surely the only true liberation comes from individual responsibility maintained from within rather than without? It is only through our inability to be governed from within that we have been limited from venturing too far out of the "school yard" of Earth so it may seem from all the information presented on this and other forums of this nature.

    33. I have questions: How many planets are there, exactly, in this solar system? Are there more orbiting on the other side of the sun, this star, at about the same distance from it, so we continuously don't know about their existence? Why should earthlings determine what the 'Constitution' of this star system ought to be? Or, is it better to be preemptive, take initiative! to have something in hand already? Is there already a greater 'Constitution' that encompasses other solar systems? Or does everyETone just make sh^t up, to the best of their collective ability and judgment?

    34. Your thinking too small Ortho, Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom applied to the Multiverse.

    35. How about something like this: We the united peoples of earth, the sovereign instantiations of the creator source in this physical time space universe, do hereby claim our sovereignty. We have been misled, misguided, misrepresented, enslaved, genetically manipulated, tricked, given physical embodiments that are easily addicted to all sorts of physical stimulation, distracted, and generally treated like the laughing stock of the universe and associated multiverses. We do hereby state that we no longer can accept this. We let go of all negative energies and emotions such as greed, lust and hate. We refuse to fight your wars for you. We are the sons and daughters of the creator. We claim our rightful place in the universe. For we the meek shall not only inherit the earth but the entire universe. We state plainly that without all these manipulations by outsiders we will be free to act as responsible sons and daughters and take up our rightful place under our Father Creator Source and next too our Christed Brother Jesus. Those peoples of the universe that wish to stand beside us in our cause as universal brothers and sisters shall be welcomed with open arms. For we take up this oath to honour our universal responsibility as sovereign creator sons and daughters. This is our pledge and so it be done.

    36. I see that as a good one Initiate. The key for me in taking back our power is realizing that it wasn't taken away from us by bad guys, we had to give it up. In other words, although we've been deceived, we didn't have to fall for the deceptions. So now's time to take personal responsibility as Co-Creators with the infinite and realize the mess we're in was created by our own unconsciousness and giving away our power and decision making to those outside of us. Anyway, nice work. Ortho ~ I agree with the theme here, here is the big question: We have a constitution in the USA right now, but it does not stop the powers that be from doing their thing right? So what exactly is going to stop "lucifer" bad guys etc. from suddenly turning hte other cheek and respecting the divine in all people? What do you think? Sure I hear yah, you'd like em to retire and have a beer with you. Now free will is the universal law. The whole point of creation is we are supposed to respect and celebrate teh divine in each other. The whole point of the fallen beings is they are seeking to destroy the divine in all life rather than celebrate it or raise it up.
    So my question to you is, what needs to change then in order for your suggestion for a universal constitution to be effective? Especially given that we already have a constitution in the US and it is obviously not respected by the PTB. What are your thoughts?

    37. Hi ortho - I haven't read your last 2 posts entirely yet, but I wanted to say I liked Initiate's #100 post [Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom applied to the Multiverse]. The multiverse thing completely overrides the 'throughout the universe, in perpetuity' that's on your Lawyerese Goes Galactic thread. We've got to up the ante on those idiots, and that term would do it IMO. Even 'in perpetuity' is a misnomer (in a time is everywhere multiverse), because it's linear in concept, which could be kind of wrong. I'll have to dig up some theorizing about that.*
    *Another post about that! Operator ... Former Dutch astronaut explains how ‘time’ is created by human beings (video)http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18026 Also, 14 Chakras had some thoughts that I've also had. Say, just because a document exists, it doesn't mean it has effect. Now I'm wondering, who cares. We make it up (well, you make it up or copy it, analyze it whatever). Luckily, it's easy to 'enforce' - actually no enforcement really needed because it's Namaste-ish.

    38. So let's just revoke it. I mean, I have not seen the agreement, so let's just speculate that, yes, it's a problem. And BOOM it's gone. I wonder then can we boss them around with our consciousness, a kind of coup d'etat with our calm minds. Then, if there's psychic energy to spare after calm, it's like we say, CLEAN UP THE OCEANS!! NOW!! MAKE AMENDS HIVE MIND BUDDIES!! YOU OWE US FOR RIPPING OFF HUMAN TISSUE!! (And don't even get us STARTED on breached agreements here and wherever else!!) Etc.

    39. Where's Aldebaran? It seems to be where the Nazis go. I have no recollection of this kind of thing. I sprung from the earth. Yes, waging war all the time - so many delusions. Doesn't matter who, what, when, where, why. Let's just go Bible there - yes, homeworld. Until more DNA information is available. Is that why we're being picked off? Oh wait, that's the US military. The genetic stardust is in everyone. It's a bit crude, too (well, not for me), but earth's fecundity and fertility and life is a result of death (like compost) and **** - that's soil for ya. Our mothers, fathers or clone dads or whatever ate what's around to grow. It's consolidated in our bodies. Maybe you're from somewhere else than me, but we are earthlings.

    40. So I guess my thoughts is this: If we have a good document in place now that is supposed to be the law of the land, and we understand Namaste here, then how come things are sucking in the government? How will this change if we sign another document? What is the point of a document if no one follows it no matter how good a document it is? We already have it in place Now, and what's happening? It's not working. So for me, the most important concept is: We can't solve a problem from the same level of consciousness that created the problem in the first place. A better document will not bring Namaste Responsible Freedom to the masses or the elite. Nothing in fact, will change from a document or an agreement or a handshake, because the nature of the PTB / PTW is deception. The way of the collective consciousness is currently unconsciousness, ignorance, follow the leader sheep mentality. Much less than what has been required to hold the government accountable to the people. I will suggest that it is indeed a valiant effort and vision for Namaste Constitutional Freedom, but that it will ONLY come when the collective consciousness, the collective agreement shifts into a higher level of consciousness where it becomes much more clear that each individual does indeed have a Divine spark within them. How else will the concept of Namaste become the way the world is run if people do not actually see this? So for me, the goal should be to shift consciousness higher to where Namaste is Self evident as the only Way because it is the Way of our own enlightened Self interest. Since we share a collective consciousness, the way to get there, is by raising our own consciousness, seeing through our own illusions and recognizing the Divine in our own heart, as well as all those we meet. When enough people really do this, the collective consciousness will shift, and then people will actually follow a great document for Namaste responsible freedom rather than abusing it. So first comes consciousness shift, then comes Namaste Constitutional Freedom as the natural output of that.

    41. The more freedom of expression and self-determinism and response-ability and self-awareness these ET societies have the less verbiage and checks and balances they employ. Their citizens would have a higher courage and personal integrity level and so the criminal minded and gangsters and moochers would prefer to go somewhere else for easier pickin's.

    42. If we could raise our awareness to ourselves as infinite beings would there really be a real estate issue? Wouldn't it then be more a question of how to close up shop in a decent and orderly fashion? Sweep all the debris back to the Source?

    43. That is exactly how I escaped some of the last between lives manipulation. When they turned a "Be Calm" machine on me an image of Buddha appeared and he had a red ruby in his forehead and the "Be Calm" machine got turned onto the Reptilian and I dived into the ruby which was a vortex that landed me in a specific pre-destined location. I landed in the lecture hall where Ron Hubbard was delivering the classic lectures in Scientology in 1952. I further proofed myself up this lifetime with my clearing work (ongoing). Because if one thing does not get to you, another thing will and they will keep plying their tools on one until one can no longer keep his focus. There is a growing body of clearing practitioners and spiritual remote clearing people and the prices are reasonable for most. CAVEAT EMPTOR and please do some clearing work to proof up against any possible mind control, etc.

    44. thanks for the links, some good ones there but there is no way im listening to "we are the world" also any chance of a one sentence summary of the above?

    45. I agree. http://www.lookyourheartinthemirror.com/me1.html That's a tip of the iceberg. Good work on this stuff.

    46. The next chance I get we are going to take a look at morphic field rulerships, esp. the major religious groups. Let you know what we see. Others may go and look and see it from a different facet. It seems that whatever one focuses on relates to that person's own "Prior Karmic Cause". Perhaps after I clear that out I will see a more complete picture.

    47. Even though your role is different from my role in rehabilitating this planet, it is important for me to be able to take different views as to form strategy for my own work. My role looks like it will involve me in large scale spiritual clearing assistance and aesthetics/arts. Today the role is more that of a warrior against fixed polarities, and the "warrior" part of the job will end when the more black-white polarities are resolved leaving mostly "complementary polarities" to deal with. Oh, what a wonderful lifetime that will be!

    48. I have a question or a proposal to you: Based upon the maxim that "without a vision the people perish". would it be okay with you if the people are given a huge vision of making planet earth a model for the -- gulp -- Universe? A model of equanimity, decency, order, egalitarianism, freedom of expression. I heard on the grapevine that some of the most interesting beings have been being dumped on this planet and the recent inflow are some of the most brave and idealistic volunteers. This could become a real hotspot of the -- gulp -- Universe. Okay, at least the two galaxies. Also, since it seems to be an undenied factoid that this is a Universe of Dualities, which seem to have caused us spiritual decay, could we not also include the vision of Planet Earth being a model of "collapsed dualities"? I know this can be achieved and I have practically forever to help bring this about... Now, I know that particular phrasing won't sell in the marketplace and there might be numerous groups arguing about the best way to uncollapse beings from their precious polarities, but I would rather see a bunch of philosopher kings bashing their heads against each other than the current stuff that is going on. You know -- it would be an improvement :-) I'm willing to take this step by step....LOL.

    49. You are speaking of separation of church and government, right? So it will be up to the teachers, gurus, priests, etc. to promote the vision. However, I never for once thought of my proposal as other than another technological issue to be resolved in this particular universe. Okay, took a step back tohave another look...will respond later.

    50. Another quick interjection before I go and do my housework ... the more self-governance individuals exhibit the less temptation and provocation to introduce arbitrary rules. The more rules the more rules will be broken, and every broken rule, tabulated and measured, becomes a diagnostic tool so that the "fix" does not become more and more precise rules. What will the "fix" be?

    51. If a religion is running a government, it is called a theocracy. Some muslim countries are run by their religious leaders. But many other countries have governments that are not run by a religion (hopefully USA is still one), or they may have dictators, or they may be run by a monarchy… So I suggest you check your facts. Here is a place to start: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/go...overnment-type

    52. Hang in there Ortho. It only takes one consciousness to build a pathway to a new universe. If it is the Will of All that is that it comes about then so be it. I know one thing, TBTB are on borrowed time. So, keep thinking about the Universe after their gone. I'll ride in your star ship any day and under Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. It's bigger than the United States and the Solar System. It really is Universal.

    53. It is hard for me to read scripture except for short snippets, having had it dogmatically enforced for a little too long, but I appreciate the personal truths I find in scriptures.

    54. "Though shalt have no gods except yourself" Oh, that's so deliciously funny!

    55. Well my friend, we could co-miserate over a cup of coffee someday: In this "body culture" planet if no one is listening to you then you are a little too "heady". Haven't you noticed, it's all about the meat. I long for a society of cleared beings (Bodhis) but dang'ed if I'm going to get one going on this planet with my current intellectual approach. If I said "clearing removes wrinkles forever" (it can) .... I can't do that. At the end of that coffe klatch we would be best off with you deciding you are going to create a good rule of government for your own benefit, and me deciding I am going to clear myself right out of this universe and only send back a hologram of myself in the faint hope...yeh, I'll just play with my holograms :-)

    56. Do what gives you enough pleasure to keep wanting to do it. Practice gentle undulation. If you, like me, enjoy posing problems of civilization, I could think of worse avocations. When it comes to governance, I'm ready for a paradigm shift, something totally different, totally balanced, a society that needs less governance. A governance that does not create arbitrary laws because a few people caused a problem. If we solve the problem of why we need rules and laws in the first place, then perhaps we could all do very well on good communication and simple agreements.

    57. I like that you are posing some big problems/games to yourself. A while back I posed the problem of civilization to myself. Why I did that? At that time I did not consider that I could simply leave the game intact and -- get this -- not play any game at all if I so wished. I'm considering the last option right now.

    58. So it has been written. I'm starting to not identify myself with meaning or with life as meaning. Sometimes I can be drawn into the River of Life with imaginations of what the world would be like if Buddha had succeeded in populating the planet with bodhis. I see shopping malls filled with enlightened/awakened bodhis :-)

    59. Yes no one with a heart cannot help but want to reach out to people. Not only as bodies, but also as spiritual beings who know they are more than just bodies. I guess the first thing to do is to sit down and get very realistic about what one is dealing with here on this planet. I'm supposed to write a book about how a civilization is built from the ground up, but if I start writing it might start writing me and I'm not ready for that yet. Thanks for the thumbs up on the bodhi scenario. The buddha I see was very much into eating well and he liked his luxuries, was not an ascetic by any means, but very very vigorous in reaching out to people and working with them to help them do their practices to reach their own bodhi state. I used to frequent the Bodhi Tree store in LA. Met some interesting books and people there. I think my job is to help birth people/bodhis who can in turn work with you to organize societies and perhaps cities. I don't mean going out and having 12 children (although I thought of it). If you said, "Hey, everybody, let's get together and talk about how we can turn this planet into a tourist center for the ETs." You know, put a very fun and body/nature oriented slant on it. A government run like a business. That is how my book would slant it. I'm only putting emphasis on the spiritual technologies because governments and civilizations and societies failed because beings could not govern themselves, much less each other. An awakened society enjoys more freedoms and needs less government. Administration and organization would be the main function of government. Can you imagine how exciting this planet would be for ETs to visit!!!

    60. Let me ask you, how would you propose units of exchange -- an economic system or standard?

    61. Remembrance of human symbiosis with celestial planets has to be priority in the consciousness and super consciousness. From standpoint on this planet we are looking at our assssss! I would think that planets who have made it somehow have preserved this visceral knowledge. This is the million dollar question. Maybe the logos of spirit is stronger in frequency and maybe we are just an example of lack there of.... I think an entire population with the knowledge of the cosmos and intention would create nature to give what it needs because in a sense you could travel with your mind. The understanding of physicality and spirit would allow one to explore the universe. In this energy matrix corruption cannot exist it might spontaneously pop up but it is soon seen and redirected/transmuted. So in this sense tech, industry, hierarchy would not exist. Now to explain exopolitical vision in this plane presents quite a problem. Hence the quandary of our language and mind being corrupted to suit malevolence. Its not that we cant do good its realizing the conditioned programming done for thousands of years? Its like the idea of philanthropic concepts. For our time without future vision the GOvt helping us to regulate society and protect us can seem good. But in a 100 years all the philanthropic ideas will be used to control us. Does our species have a reboot system, Maybe... Are a few of us trying to use intention to create intervention in the Freewill plane, maybe...... Or are some of us just being born to realize the everlasting black hole of evolution to finally be released from reincarnation here, maybe....

    62. Whew reincarnating on this type of planet is a workout I dont want anytime soon. I think a trip down the Akashic records to reorganize my soul for some time then a traveling celestial healer and running with the comets for a bit will do me some good too. Then after some time I will come back to this plane. I think mind will move matter so in that sense the currency will be knowledge and manifestation. Working within a social circle attaining what one needs from its social dynamic. Same as it is said, that a huge chunk of "karmic" energy is within your family. So a community dynamic based on attaining cosmic knowledge exchanged by energy from consciousness. Can you dig it??? My reference with biased physicality in societal commerce is slim. It could be that technology is a barometer of nature and human symbiosis. In other words to much tech exhibits lack of awareness?? Or it just could be a plane that exist in evolution. Hence UFO's and that level of tech and cosmic knowledge. A possible example of why the lack of contact. Maybe there exists here this idea of just benevolent frequency of mind that teaches a tech based society/galaxy. So in other words everyone and I mean everyone is waiting for the Ancients to make a move. Just a thought. But back to the point, A basic level of understanding the importance of uniting/transmuting energy into liberty must be viscerally felt, allowing for corruption to barely sustain itself. Telepathy??????

    63. I think a middle ground on our contexts could be the question. How do we eliminate corruption?? Now Ive seen people due to various reasons reach a vibration that creates a type of truth serum and their lies are given in a type of confession. Like detoxing venom in a way. An easier example could be just basic transmutation. Water to vapor? How this relates to consciousness mechanically I do not know. I know our Slave Masters will be able to use tech to determine if we are in Right THink for sure in the future. Maybe another analogy would be like the Movie Avatar. The people have a cultural attachment to a deity that guides them and they prosper together in that endeavor. This example is happening now with the slave masters creating their GOD that we will follow into space war. I just cant get my mind wrapped around a post industrial space traveling high tech human species working together without corruption being our master. I for some reason think that there will be a jump in evolution, telepathy, mind over matter, creating space and time. We will fall into the Astral plane so to speak, realizing that matter is only 50% of our equation of existence... I get you on psychic bullying but i have a good feeling that the new awareness will be fresh like the new teachings of an ascended master, but over time it could be corrupted. I hope in the knowing we will strive to be better astral traveling sentient energy beings.

    64. In my simple way I would say bare essentially clear the being and the constructs such as mind and other electromagnetics lose their hold. This is a linear process until it hits the exponential stage where unpredictability becomes the norm. Who can govern unpredictability? And why would one? In today's clearing session I realized that on one of our levels of creation I had said, "Nothing good is going to come out of this" and I said it with 100% intention. I made myself "right" all the way down the infinite black vortex that I kept creating for myself (with some "help").
    Ortho, any form of government that maintains simple decency and order so that I can be just free enough to continue my work, but not putting too much burden on me What if you started with local self-governance? If I recall correctly the Old Testament God did have some practical civil ideas. One of them was for the people to rule themselves and there were circuit judges. I think they had circuit priests too who were only as good as the god they served. Then one day they decided they wanted a monarch.

    65. Yes, I was going to say something like that to Magamud. Yes, the more I clean myself up the more I discover another layer of hidden evil purposes. And that for now is called progress. This work fosters my connection with my higher self. Following your line of thought, if one took the demi-gods and prophets as just that and stayed connected with their own higher self...part of the bill of rights would elucidate the right to one's own sanity and the right of sovereignty of one's own higher self. Where are the religious halls and temples that teach one to culture that connection? As far as architecture, cultivate these rights, and you would be pleasantly amazed at the new level of arts that would surpass any cathedral. You would walk into any government or church building knowing that you are as special as any prophet or demi-god or other creator god or leader or beaurecrat, etc. Each man a sovereign.

    66. Im sure if a benevolent frequency needed help laying a foundational Namaste Govt they would ask you Orthodoxymoron! Thanks for your insight...

    67. Hi Ortho, I don't get the energy that you do off Magamud's post. You have indeed invested a lot of energy into this subject. And my take is that Magamud saw this and was stating that if (when) the guardians of the Solar System need advice then you would be an excelent source of input from the Earth Human perspective. It is also highly pluausable that at a higher level your higher self is indeed providing this input.

    68. It seems there is already an organisation that manages the Solar System. "Beyond our own Galaxy, there is a large organization of Galaxies who also follow the Path of Light, known as the "Intergalactic Union of Free Worlds". The function of this Organization is to coordinate and peacefully regulate affairs between the various Galaxies, Planets, and Solar Systems, and generally to uphold the Universal Law throughout our whole Universe. The MilkyWay's Galactic Federation is locally represented within our Solar System by another body called "The Interplanetary Federation of Planets'. This local Solar System Interplanetary Council convenes on the Planet Saturn with representatives drawn from all the other inhabited planets of our Solar System. Up to now, Planet Earth has not had its own native-born Third-Dimension Earthly Representative, and so until Earth has made its Ascension to the higher dimension and is able to join on a conscious level with the whole of our Solar System Federation, Commander Monka of the Ashtar Space Command has been appointed on our behalf to represent us at their Council Meetings.
    " http://www.thenewearth.org/newearth2.html#5 If we accept that as Human beings we are multidimensional then I would suggest at some level you are involved. It has nothing to do with good or bad. We are trying to move out of duality. When we make the ascension I vote "Othodoxymoron" to replace Monka as our representative !!!

    69. Sounds FAR FAR too American for my liking I'm afraid, I'm not anti American but lets face it the US seem to want to control Earth, next would be space, next the universe?

    This is really about a Perfected Humanity Living in a Perfected Solar System...Without Extermination, Enslavement, Gods, Goddesses, and Megalomaniacs. Basically...Creating Heaven Throughout the Solar System...Without a Theocracy. This could take thousands of years. We may even be lucky to simply survive. I'm not promising anyone a rose garden. I don't really know what we're up against. We may be in more trouble than even I think we are.

    A big thank-you to everyone who has contributed to this thread. I condensed all of the comments (other than mine) into one post (above). Then I re-read them...and I was very impressed with the responses. I learned a lot. I'm running out of what little steam I once had...and someone else needs to do what I can't with the principles and concepts in this thread. I really don't want to be a pest. I'm tired of bumping my threads...and probably everyone else is even more tired of this than I am.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:50 pm

    So...who owns and operates this Solar System? Human Beings? Draconian Reptilians? Rigelian Greys? All of the above? None of the above? Where are rivals to the founding documents in the first post? Are we Prisoners of the War in Heaven? Is the War in Heaven continuing here on Earth? As above...so below? Are Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer fighting a custody battle to see who gets the kids? Is there a problem with Human Beings Ruling Themselves Throughout This Solar System?

    I recall an internet message to me saying "We can only live on Earth...but you can live anywhere". Another said "You can't rule yourselves". Another said "This is not your planet. Humans are not the most intelligent life on Earth."

    I get the feeling that if things go against one or more of the major factions in this Solar System...that they might not hesitate to employ advanced extermination technology. Is this the reason for "Day the Earth Stood Still"..."2012"...and "Legion"?

    There are some very intelligent posters in Avalon...but why is Solar System Governance a subject which seems to be avoided? Are a lot of people cowering...and running scared regarding this subject?

    I'd really like to speak with Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer concerning Solar System Governance and the Fate of the Human Race. I know I'm a know-nothing nobody...but the intellectually and spiritually superior powers that be seem to have $crewed-up royally...and gotten us into some very deep do-do...and the whole thing stinks. I frankly don't trust them to extricate us from this cr@p.

    Here is something you might find interesting regarding Solar System Governance: http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=9562 Here are the pdf documents of the 'Galactic Government" http://www.galacticgovernment.info/USRecGG.pdf Tell me what you think about them. Is this a better way to manage the Solar System?

    I'll try to provide daily updates and comments to this thread...even if no one reads them or responds to them. The essence of this thread will probably become a reality sooner than I think. Not because of this thread...but simply because it makes sense. In a sense...I am merely restating the obvious. This concept will work...even if there aren't any aliens! I'm going to try to think and live as though the essence of this thread were already a reality. I just need to settle down...take my time...and integrate Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom into every aspect of my life. Someone else will pick up the idea. Someone who has the resources to properly research and promote it. I may turn out to be wrong about a lot of this...but Solar System Governance should still be given some very careful consideration. I'm sure that it is being properly considered by those who are qualified to do so...by top men and women. I'll just sit here in the corner...and do you know what! Brandon Sullivan may not have been a potted plant...but I may qualify in my current vegetative and unpopular state! What would Oliver North say? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPQcia3__Bw&feature=related What would Daniel Inouye say? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbFphX5zb8w Sometimes I feel like shouting "Unclean!!" when I go out in public...and not because I didn't shower. You don't get it? Didn't you go to Sunday School? If I wasn't trying to promote this stuff...I probably wouldn't be interested in it either!

    The following is a message to the Theocratic Rulers of This Solar System:

    Please consider theocratically imposing the Founding Documents of the United States of the Solar System...as found in the first post of this thread. Would this work? In a sense...you would be in charge...and we would be in charge. See...I don't really know what's going on in this Solar System...or in the Universe. I simply desire a unified and responsibly free humanity...which does not destroy itself or others. We seem to be fragmented, confused...and manipulated in a very evil manner. If you...the Theocratic Rulers of This Solar System...are Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer...could you please step outside of the Solar System...and allow us to rule ourselves with the Founding Documents of the United States of the Solar System...on a trial basis...to see if it actually works? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWSk30Y9Qp8&feature=related I'm confident reagarding the principles, concepts, and process...but keeping this system in place might not be an easy task. There would probably be a turbulent learning curve as well. Some initial and occasional 'divine' intervention might be required to keep the system in place...and possibly to keep us from destroying ourselves...judging from history.

    Thanks and Gratitude in Advance! Sorry...No Worship and Praise!

    Does the Human Race deserve to survive...or does it deserve to be helped by Benevolent Extraterrestrials? Is the Human Race capable of ruling itself? If the Malevolent Extraterrestrials leave...are we so irresponsible that things might get even worse than they are presently? If you were the Extraterrestrial God or Goddess of This World...would you voluntarily turn Earth over to Humanity? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2wutEzjy_E Perhaps this whole thread is a mistake. What is it they say? "Be careful what you wish for?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0JaCKiUMKk Is the Human Race less responsible than the Malevolent Extraterrestrials? Does the Human Race even want to rule itself? Is the lack of discussion on this thread regarding Solar System Governance a glaring indication that we don't want freedom? No comment?

    I think this Solar System Governance thing will have to proceed in stages...and that I will probably have very little to do with major advances in this area. I'm trying to personally change direction...and re-orient myself. This will take a lot of energy...and involve a lot of mistakes and false-starts. There are probably thousands of small groups, and millions of people, who are thinking in a manner similar to that which is expressed in this thread. Eventually they will find out about each other...and this whole thing will move to the next level. When Hollywood sees the light...and gets religion...the subject of Solar System Governance will go Galactic! One cannot force these things! I shouldn't be frustrated. This is the way these things work. First they ignore you. Then they attack your premise. Then they attack your character. Then they try to get rid of you. But someday...people will swear that they always believed in something similar to the United States of the Solar System! By that time...I'll probably be pushing something else that nobody wants to listen to! Such is life for the abrasive and neurotic contrarian! It takes all kinds. But why?

    Just my daily ritual of bumping this thread. I've come to the conclusion that an ignorant and apathetic general public is more of a threat to responsible freedom than the corrupt powers that be. We seem to become interested when we are mad or scared...or when there is something sensational. This is a very dangerous situation. Rational dialogue on the subject of Solar System Governance should be a top priority...if not the top priority. I feel like John the Baptist...a voice crying in the wilderness..."Prepare ye the way for the retirement of the Lord!"

    [QUOTE=Firstlook;231277]Hello Orthodoxy,

    I dont mean to bring you down to the ground with us regular folk:tongue2::wink2:, but the public have always had the potential to be more dangerous then the few "powerful". This is a given isnt it? How can the people accomplish paradise if they are not capable of hell?

    Sometimes one has to overdo in order to undo...and this may create an impression of preaching or condescension...which might be legitimately problematic. We can create heaven...or we can create hell. What's it gonna be? Decisions, decisions!

    Are you complicating/convincing yourself that instead of fearing the PTB you must fear the people.......wait.....is it both?:shocked::wink2:

    I'm trying to fear no man, woman, god, goddess, or alien!

    I think your incredibly perceptive. Perhaps even touched with a little fire. But pleaase stay grounded. I say that meaning, take it for what it is.......wait, that could be used against my intention here. Shoot man, I guess for right now I'll just say that I look forward to reading this thread. Ive only glanced so far and I tend to stick to certain subjects/thread for periods of time so that I live in that "world". Sort of like listening to just one album all summer long. Right now Im jamming with the Thuban Council in 12D....I think.:lol3:

    Thank-you...but I'm mostly a repeater or a pointer. Have you told abraxasinas to stay grounded?! axabraxinas has told me that human sovereignty cannot presently occur...but maybe later.

    Anyways, I find this topic you've shared very inspirational. And yet I must admit I have a feeling that it started of as a guide-stone for less control and more individuality without permission. Maybe from ourselves:wink2: BUT, from your last comment, me thinks someone is leaning towards the darkside. Not a bad thing I suppose if you remember that the shadow is ever swallowing. Muahahahah!:lol3:

    This is not a manifesto for anarchy...but rather a safeguard against corruption and insanity. Pragmatism is an important part of the package...and I wish to win the darkside over to the light...rather than engaging in trench-warfare! This is an open attempt to hijack the New World Order...rather than starting from scratch!

    I look forward to a playful duel of perceptions with ya. Hope it gives a boost to your thread and efforts.

    peace man:original:[/QUOTE]

    Thank-you. I just want to see this subject discussed. This is more of an experiment than anything. Check out the 01-25-10 program on thewatcherfiles.com http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/ This is not an endorsement...but I'm trying to look at things from as many angles as possible.

    Could at least a few people (and aliens) spend some serious quality time with this thread (including all of the links). I don't really care what your conclusions are. I just feel very, very strongly that the combination of information and concepts considered in this thread are extremely important. I am going to begin going from one end of this thread to the other...over and over again. I don't really feel very good. I haven't felt really good for my whole life. So...my success with this topic may be very limited...but I think I've stumbled onto an area of study which really needs to be properly addressed. Once more...I truly don't care if you agree with me or not. I just want you to give this some very careful and intense consideration...before moving on.

    [QUOTE=no caste;231851]1. I *hate* the title of this thread. Fek the USA. 👎

    Have you not read MY thread:

    Sensitive hard drive MASSIVE DATA missing- National Archives
    http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14025

    First item there: Bill Clinton was just named as U.N. Envoy to Haiti a of couple days ago.

    That's all. There is no 2.[/QUOTE]

    The United States of the Solar System precisely defines the intent and content of this thread. The fact that the United States of America has been infiltrated and subverted right from the beginning should not be used to attack legitimate principles, concepts, and documents. I will stand my ground...unapologetically. Have you not read my comments on your thread? Why the hostility? I'm not pulling the **** that's going on in this world. I'm trying to clean it up. What part of that do you not understand? Perhaps some good old-fashioned controversy and debate will generate some interest. Nothing else ever seems to.

    Thank-you for your comments no caste. Forgive my testy reply. I was tempted to edit it out...but I decided to leave it...so as to spice things up a bit! I'm mad at so much of what has gone on throughout history...right up to the present. But I do respect the principles and concepts which are seen in the U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Federalist Papers. They are completely different than the way America has conducted business throughout the years...especially in recent years.

    Here is something interesting to consider. Bill Cooper pointed the finger at America...rather than Europe. Alex Jones questioned him on this...but Bill stuck to his guns. I regularly listen to Sherry Shriner...although I don't agree with her on a lot of things. She points the finger at America as well. Alex Collier indicates that the Reptilians occupied North America first...hundreds of thousands of years ago. Could it be that the main nest of Reptilians is under the United States...with branch offices under the Giza Plateau and Vatican City...to just name a couple? Leo Zagami...in his famous prison speech...refered to the New World Order as being 'made in the U.S.A.' Bill Deagle, Jordan Maxwell, and many others have been outspoken regarding American corruption.

    So...I have a delemma. I like the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights (minus the first two paragraphs of Article 6...and minus the 16th Amendment)...but I don't like a lot of what's going on in America...especially the New World Order and Alien Nation stuff. The United States of the Solar System is an attempt to fight the whole bloody mess...by sticking to the original ideals of the founders...and applying them to the entire Solar System. This is not Pro-American Nationalism. It is not Red, White, and Blue / Bush Administration / Religious Right / Patriotic Fundamentalism. Just the opposite. I do not want America to rule Earth or the Solar Sytem. I want We the People of the Solar System to rule the Solar System...without being dictated to by Malevolent Non-Humans Playing God. I think that the United Nations, the City of London, Vatican City, and Washington D.C. are being dicated to by Malevolent Non-Human Beings. I can't prove it...but that's what I think just the same. This is not a slam against the mentioned locations. I just think they have more to deal with than we can possibly imagine.

    I'm open to pro and con regarding all of this. It's not up to me anyway. And thank somebody...'cause I'm one crazy mixed-up S.O.B. Oh...I almost forgot...I think that churches should not be tax-exempt...and besides I was not referring to any kind of a formal church...just my own little church...with a membership of one...where I preach sermons to myself. I have heard NATO referred to as HATO! I got that from an old Soviet propaganda poster!

    Sometimes I go nuts. :tongue2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-ZF4ZiF3cI Mad 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wtfNE4z6a8&feature=related:lightsabre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7B75JX1qEQ&feature=related :wall: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm6YnmMK99g&feature=related Lmao Because I am nuts.

    Seriously...if they eliminated the tax-forms and tax-collectors...and went to a 5% national federal consumption tax...the playing field would be pretty level...wouldn't it? I guess I shouldn't joke about being nuts. I'm not really nuts...but I feel like it sometimes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAa375C_FOA Actually...I like nuts. And I like dates even more. But I HATE nuts on dates! World without end. Almond Raw.

    Could we be dealing with several "Gods"...with big ideas for Humanity? Did they each have special sons, daughters, and nations? Are Gods, Goddesses, and Angels really Reptilian Beings (or Reptilian/Human Hybrids)? This is not meant to be irreverent or rhetorical. Is there a Divinity Within Humanity which is at least equal to that of the Gods, Goddesses, and Angels? Is this what Jesus was trying to tell us in a round about way? When God 'made' Humans a little lower than the Angels...was this really a genetic detuning and dumbing down...rather than the Creation of the Human Race? Does 'Let US make MAN in OUR image...and after OUR likeness' really mean 'Let US genetically detune and dumb down MAN to a level slightly below OUR level'? Did God Damn US to Hell?

    Lately...I've been toying with the idea of a non-penetential, non-sacrificial Ecumenical Namaste Mass based upon the Latin Mass...and I'm not a Roman Catholic. For further information regarding the Non Roman Catholic attraction to the Mass...take a look at the book 'Evangelicals on the Canterbury Trail'.

    I keep thinking that there was a huge Human vs Reptilian War...where we got our @$$ kicked by the Reps...and that now we are Prisoners of War on a Prison Planet administered via a Reptilian Theocracy. Who knows...we may have deserved some of this. I really don't know. But whatever the historical case may be...WE NEED TO MOVE ON! WE NEED TO RULE OURSELVES IN THIS SOLAR SYSTEM! I continue to like the idea of The United States of the Solar System...based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 If a quarantine is deemed necessary until we become at least a +3 civilization...then so be it. We may be a Planet in Rebellion. If so...we may need to temper our irrational exuberance into a Constructively Competitive and Responsibly Free Society. To any Reptilians who might be reading this...I think this might be in your best interest as well...on a long-term basis. For starters...I would like to see the malevolents of both of our races removed from office. Something tells me that this is already occurring.

    I keep thinking that it would be really cool to have a conversation on this thread with an ET Reptilian, a Native Reptilian, an ET Grey, a Native Grey, an ET Human, a United Nations Representative, a Vatican Representative, a City of London Representative, and a United States Representative. This isn't going to happen...obviously. But I still think it would be cool. I have absolutely no idea who I could properly talk to about all of this...so I end up talking to myself...and imagining what the above parties might say. I have to use my imagination...and post comments...or I would really go nuts. I have absolutely no idea if anyone pays any attention to this stuff or not. I'm thinking more and more that all of us are fouled-up...from the top to the bottom...including the ET's, Gods, Goddesses, Gabriel, Michael, Lucifer, et al. It's just the nature of the beast. We're all making this up as we go. I have absolutely no idea if we'll ever get it right. Probably not...but we have to try...don't we?

    I'm trying to focus on the founders and the original intent and reasons for the Declaration of Independence...the Constitution...and the United States of America. However...I continue to be troubled by the first part of Article 6...and by the 16th Amendment...which seems to have turned a Representative Republic into a Constitutional Theocracy. The 1954 Greada Treaty and the U.N. Charter overriding the U.S. Constitution is especially troubling. Or...did I get that wrong? Please put my mind at ease.

    Can the Patriot Movement and the Globalists become best buddies? Do we need to Think Galactically and Act Globally regarding the principles and concepts which emerge from a careful study of the U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Federalist Papers. This whole thing really came out of Europe...didn't it? It's not an 'American' phenomenon...is it? Doesn't a lot of this boil down to Responsible Freedom vs Aristocracy and Theocracy? Isn't this a global, or even a galactic, issue? I guess I'm going boldly where no man has gone before...and where angels fear to tread. The gods and goddesses are probably angry...but I think I might be just a bit more angry. Mr. Smith goes to the Galactic Federation and the Andromedan Council. What would Monka and SaLuSa say? Siriusly.

    Here is a question and answer session between me and abraxasinas (representing the Council of Thuban) on abraxasinas's thread. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18900&page=38 I don't know who this really is...but they are unlike anyone I have encountered. The answers often seem to not be of human origin. There are some aspects of this Q&A which touches upon subjects discussed in this thread. Here goes:

    This thread reminds me of one of my favorite Stargate SG-1 episodes. http://www.hulu.com/watch/68254/stargate-sg-1-the-fifth-race
    I have recently become particularly interested in the Archangels Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer. What type of beings are they?
    4 principalities;linked to the elements as polarity emanations of 2nd Order.
    Fire=Michael complementary with Gabriel=Air
    Earth=Uriel complementary with Water=Raphael
    Lucifer=1st order archetype responsible for allowing gravity to be born in the Big Bang Template to reharmonise the massless electromagnetic template


    Are they in conflict with each other?
    No!

    If so...is the Human Race the central issue in this conflict?
    Yes, the human race is the central issue, but not in conflict byt reharmonisations.

    Is Michael really Jesus?
    The Fire-aspect of Jesus is Michael, call it the Logos of the Fire.

    Was Jesus the last Pharaoh?
    There is no last pharaoh. Jesus encompasses all prophets, all pharaohs and all things period.

    Is Mary a legitimate co-mediatrix with Jesus?
    Another one of those labels. Mary as the universal womb gives birth to Jesus who then takes 'Her place, so SHE can reunite with her vcreator as the creation. This the focus point of humanity/Gaia, as Gaia is a hologram for the entire universe.

    Could Gabriel be identified with Zionism?
    Zion is a 'holy place' namely your own body. The political and ET agendas do not carry in the Thuban books.

    Could Lucifer be identified with Teutonic Zionism?
    Of course ands of course not. You like your labels of classifications don't you.

    Could Michael be identified with the Andromedan perspective?
    Of course and of course not. Andromeda is in a class with Perseus aka Milky Way.

    Who is the God or Goddess of This World?
    The Father and Mother, cosmically not biologically speaking of Jesus.

    Has corruption and sanity been a problem for this being?
    Nope.

    Are Satan and Lucifer two separate and distinct beings?
    Yes, Satan is the true manifestation of a fake image, called the Devil. Satan is the 'court prosecutor' of 'humanity' and Lucifer is the template for this collective humanity being prosecuted by Satan
    Satan is the 'Kali' of Shakti as two sides of the one coin called God.
    Satan is God and you are Lucifer in individuality. You can either 'play' a Christ White Lucifer look LUCIFER=74=JESUS=MESSIAH=CROSS=...or you can play a Dark Lucifer as an abssorber of the 'brought' light.


    Is there...or has there ever been...a God who was higher than Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer?
    Yes, this is the 1st Order of Abraxas aka Abrasax as the polarity unexpressed BUT contained within, like the Dark+White Lucifers as One or as Satan+God as One.

    If so...was this God destroyed in the War in Heaven?
    No, this 1st Order is omniness and above such polarity issues as a war in heaven on earth or otherplace.

    Is Satan one of these three?
    Satan is 1st Order, the archangels are 2nd order.

    If so...which one? Did Lucifer instruct Charles Darwin?
    Ask Charles Darwin.

    Would Human sovereignty in this Solar System be a good thing?
    Not yet, later perhaps.

    Is a theocracy a good or a bad thing?
    Your polarity issue.

    Is Responsible Freedom fundamentally rebellious in nature?
    No

    Can the Riemann Integral be applied to curved space?
    Yes.

    Is quantum physics valid...
    yes

    or would a modified classical physics provide a more secure foundation?
    more or less the same thing

    What are the theological implications and ramifications of quantum physics?
    There are many book you can read.

    Why was Heisenberg uncertain?
    He wasn't.

    Can a particle really be influenced by observation?
    Yes by quantum entanglement of observer with the particle.

    Have you ever read 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen G. White? If so...what is your opinion?
    As is common happenstance Ellen tuned into a correct archetype about the nature of God and attempted to describe this via her intuitions and visions. Her 'Great Controversy' so used biblical study and the SDA ideas to promulgate the 'correct' central focus on the Logos of Jesus.
    Unless you really become familiar with the 1st order archetypes, the religious overtones will outmanouver the deeper meaning of the Logos.
    This has occurred in all analyses, histotical skeptical, religious dogma based etc. etc.


    Have you heard of Dr. Desmond Ford? (An Adventist Theologian from Australia) What is the proper interpretation of, and relationship between, Daniel 8:14 and Hebrews 9:12?
    The 2300 days are added to the 370 days of the Genesis prophecy (count Noah's days in the flood archetype) for a total of 1670 days.
    Half that and you have the 1335 days in Daniel.12.12 as the timeline of the Logos in mirror function.
    The connection to Hebrews.9.12 is spurious; as the 'blood of Christ' means not the 'blood of the sacrifices', but the 'life force' in the triplicities. both 'agreeing as One'; say the spirit, the water and the blood as the witness on earth and the father, the word and the holy ghost (1John.4.6-9).sons


    Should the Biblical Cannon have ended with the Acts of the Apostles?
    No.

    Is the so called Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan really a Human vs Reptilian conflict?
    No

    Or is it really between two individual beings?
    No, its between the One being in controversy with itself.

    What are the soteriological implications of the human nature of Jesus Christ?
    The Logos incarnated as a unique oneness so this oneness could become a manyness at the fulfilment of the timeline as programmed by the logos.

    Is the substitutionary atonement...in the context of the Old Testamental sacrificial system...a theological milestone...or a historical necessity?
    It past its use by date. The lambs are Aries, the goats are Capricorns and the calves are Taurians as starsigns. The 'blood sacrifice' of the physical animal has become replaced by the ordering of 'birthrights' of the 12 signs/apostles/sons of Jacob etc - all of whom are within you - if you can handle THAT Story.

    Is theology at the center of disclosure?
    Yes.

    Is Christocentric Egyptological Science Fiction a valid theological foundation or expression in modernity?
    Another label attempting to describe the ubiquity of the logos.

    Would a Non-Penetential, Non-Sacrificial, Ecumenical Namaste Mass...based upon the Latin Mass be a valid focal point for a Minimalist, Humanistic Theocracy based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom?
    This kind of 'mass' does not concern the Thuban Council.

    Is the All Seeing Eye at the Top of the Pyramid illuminated by the Dog Star Sirius?
    One of many labels for the solar eye of Horus and the lunar eye of Thoth.

    How important is Sirius?
    First Contact Star.

    Is the God of This World the Prince of Sirius?
    Yes amongst all other 'princes'.

    Should the Protestant Reformation have been based upon the Teachings of Jesus?
    They were.

    Are the Teachings of Jesus alone fundamental...and the rest of scripture merely contextual?
    Yes, absolutely.

    Do Reptilian Beings hate Jesus Christ?
    No, they are like humans, some understand others do not.

    If so...why? Is there a 'Heaven' in M-42 in Orion?
    Heaven does not exist anyplace but your own mind.

    What type of beings might be found in this portion of the heavens?
    Whatever you can imagine and image.

    Is there hope and redemption for all beings in the Universe?
    All are already redeemed, without exception.

    I want everyone to make it! Even the really evil beings...if this is possible. Some isolation and re-education might be necessary...and some might have to be eternally isolated. I don't know...but I do not wish harm or misery on any being...no matter who they are...what they look like...or what they have done. All of us may have some very filthy reincarnational baggage!
    WE are all Individuations of the ONE, defined and programmed by the Logos as the Sentience of the ONE Energy Source.

    I could keep going for hours...but I'd better stop.
    Thanks for that.

    You don't need to answer all or any of these questions. I just have lots and lots of questions. If I truly spoke my mind...I'd be in huge trouble. I think I'm in enough trouble already. Thank-you abraxasinas! I love that name! Do you work or live in Pine Gap?
    No, but the Council knows what goes on there, being the spying center for the Southern Hemisphere and such. They can only go so far. The Logos got them covered.

    "They" say that we are supposed to be very careful when discussing politics, religion, and sexuality. Well...I'm going to go on record as saying they are interrelated. Menage Trois?
    :wub2::wub2::wub2:

    Check out Exopolitics Radio. http://www.exopoliticsradio.org/ The Steven Bassett / Alfred Webre interview is especially good. I think I'm going to focus on the Theological and Political Aspects of the Alien Presence...including Solar System Governance, Galactic Governance, and Alien Nation Representation! What would Monka do? What would SaLuSa say? Perhaps the Prince of Sirius should focus on Sirius! Nothing personal!

    Early attempts to establish the United States of the Solar System (Cultural Imperialism Lives!):

    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1exaPnVq5U&NR=1
    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoHUGHb97MA&feature=related
    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK3l1QN5vrM&feature=related
    4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acRzs0jf6E8&feature=related
    5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOA6ur_tnlc (Notice Bugs Bunny digging through the Martian surface)

    Why the cold shoulder people (and aliens)? Where are the rival proposals? Does anyone give a rat's patootie? Are you all good with continuing to have a malevolent theocracy? Will you be even happier when it comes completely out of the closet? Are these responses by abraxasinas significant?

    Would Human sovereignty in this Solar System be a good thing?
    Not yet, later perhaps.

    Is a theocracy a good or a bad thing?
    Your polarity issue.

    Is Responsible Freedom fundamentally rebellious in nature?
    No

    I'm almost to the point of washing my hands of this whole subject. It seems pretty much pointless to continue. Humanity may not be ready to rule itself. Post after post is ignored...and when a post is responded to...it is most often in the negative. We've made our bed...and it looks as though we are going to continue to sleep in it...even though it is a bed of nails. I just hope that when things get really bad...that you remember this thread...and contemplate what might have been. If the awake and aware don't care...why should I expect anyone else to? This world has ignored the Teachings of Jesus for 2,000 years. Why should I expect anyone to pay any attention to me? I'm not sure what I'm going to do at this point. Give 'em what they want...and tell 'em what they want to hear...seems to work wonders...in the pursuit of fame, fortune, and power...right? Nothing succeeds like success...right? The bottom-line is the bottom-line...right? People want a freak-show...right? People want to be angered or scared...right? Doing the right thing, and calmly stating the facts doesn't work...does it? That's a turn-off...isn't it? We stand at the precipice. Once freedom is lost...it is very difficult to regain. No pendulum effect here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSfvXjWV2Vo Beware of Article 6 and the 16th Amendment. Trojan Horses? I think so...by design. :sneaky2:

    What is the Hierarchy of Power in this Solar System? Who is in charge of this Solar System? Who owns this Solar System? Are Human Beings in charge? Are Reptilian Beings in charge? Are Grey Beings in charge? Is this Solar System a Theocracy? Does this Solar System have a Constitution? Is Earth a Prison Planet? Are Human Beings Prisoners of War?

    I'm inviting Human Beings to respond. I'm inviting Reptilian Beings to respond. I'm inviting Grey Beings to respond. I'm inviting God to respond. I'm inviting Gabriel to respond. I'm inviting Michael to respond. I'm inviting Lucifer to respond. I'm inviting Jesus to respond. I'm inviting Ra to respond. I'm inviting Hathor to respond. I'm inviting Mary to respond. Come...let us reason together...says orthodoxymoron.

    People can conjure-up UFO's, channel all manner of entities, spend months on UFO's as VIP's, etc, etc, etc...but I can't have an intelligent conversation with anyone regarding Solar System Governance. I've pretty much lost faith in everyone and everything. I'm going to buy a surfboard...and get ready to ride the wave. :sad:

    What would an ideal Human Race be like? What would an ideal Solar System be like? I'm going to proceed with discussions (with myself) and plans to create a Perfected Human Race living in a Perfected Solar System...without sterilization, eugenics, force, or violence. But rather by following Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom wherever it leads. I will simply imagine that the United States of the Solar System is already a done deal. Who knows? It might be. The decision might have already been made...off world...to implement something similar to the first post of this thread...and not because of me. It simply makes sense...once one spends some quality time thinking about it. Please completely go through the first post of this thread...and view all links. Then repeat...until you get it...and I'm not being mean. It takes some serious time and effort to get it. I'm putting a positive spin on the Secret Space Program, the Deep Underground Military Bases, the Leviton Trains, the City States, and the Extraterrestrials. Think Sci-Fi Solar System of the Future...without Star Wars or Masters of the Universe. A Solar System Exorcism combined with the implementation of the United States of the Solar System...as described throughout the first post of this thread...would probably get us moving in the right direction...and avoid the Apocalypse and Armageddon. I know that things never work out the way they are envisioned...but that's my story...and I'm sticking to it...at least until the Jesuits or the Alphabet Agencies show up at my house...and offer to 'help' me! ('I was arrested last night in the United States...and taken to a very nice prison on Phobos')
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:53 pm

    Consider the 'Red Mass'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Mass I don't know very much about it...but it seems to have relevance to this thread.
    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo63LqTF5Zg 2. http://www.redmass.com/

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: A Red Mass is a Mass celebrated annually in the Catholic Church for judges, attorneys, law school professors, students, and government officials. The Mass requests guidance from the Holy Spirit for all who seek justice, and offers the opportunity to reflect on what Catholics believe is the God-given power and responsibility of all in the legal profession. Originating in Europe during the high middle ages, the Red Mass is so-called from the red vestments traditionally worn in symbolism of the tongues of fire that descended on the Apostles. Additionally, Judges of the High Court of England and all doctors of law wore red robes or academic hoods.[1] The first recorded Red Mass was celebrated in the Cathedral of Paris in 1245. From there, it spread to most European countries. Around 1310, during the reign of Edward II, the tradition began in England. It was attended at the opening of each term of Court by all members of the Bench and Bar. The tradition was introduced into the United States in 1928 at the Church of St. Andrew, New York City,near the courthouses of Foley Square, celebrated bu by Patrick Cardinal Hayes, who strongly advocated and butressed the legal community's part in evangelization.[2][3] The Red Mass was recommenced in Toronto in 1924 and has continued it to this day. It was re-instituted in Sydney in 1931.

    One of the better-known Red Masses is the one celebrated each fall at the Cathedral of St. Matthew the Apostle in Washington, D.C. on the Sunday before the first Monday in October (the Supreme Court convenes on the first Monday in October). It is sponsored by the John Carroll Society and attended by Supreme Court justices, members of Congress, the diplomatic corps, the Cabinet and other government departments and sometimes the President of the United States. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who is Jewish, used to attend the Red Mass with her Christian colleagues but no longer does so due to her objection to a series of homilies opposing abortion.[4] In Ireland, the Votive Mass of the Holy Spirit (the Red Mass) is held annually on the first Monday of October, which is the first day of the Michaelmas Law Term. The ceremony is held at St. Michan's Roman Catholic church, which is the parish church of the Four Courts. It is attended by the Irish judiciary, barristers and solicitors, as well as representatives of the diplomatic corps, Gardaí, the Northern Irish, English and Scottish judiciary. The judiciary do not wear their judicial robes, although formal morning dress is worn. In Scotland a Red Mass is held annually each autumn in St. Mary's Cathedral in Edinburgh to mark the beginning of the Scottish Judicial year. It is attended by Catholic judges of the High Court of Justiciary, Sheriffs, advocates, solicitors and law students all dressed in their robes of office. The robes of the Lords Commissioner of Justiciary are red faced with white. The Mass is presided over by Keith Michael Patrick Cardinal O'Brien. In the Philippines, Xavier University - Ateneo de Cagayan has celebrated the Red Mass annually as the Mass of the Holy Spirit.

    Could there be essentially the following three Americas?

    1. Deep Underground Reptilian Base America (going back tens of thousands of years).

    2. Infiltrated and Subverted...Red, White, and Blue...Religious Right... Constitutional Theocratic...Patriotic Fundamentalist America.

    3. Minimalist...Representative Republic...Paleo Conservative...Spirit and Letter of the Founders...Strict Constitutionalist America.

    Alex Collier indicated that the Reptilians came first to North America. Perhaps this is their home-base of operations...going back tens of thousands of years. Perhaps they opened branch offices around the world...including the Giza Plateau and Rome. Why was North America seemingly off limits until the Vikings showed up...or until 1492? Was North America a thriving above and below ground Reptilian civilization for tens of thousands of years? Who knows?

    I've received a very chilly reception regarding my promotion of the United States of the Solar System. Could all of the above be a large part of the reason why? It's the highest principles and concepts of the founding documents which I am promoting...but that doesn't seem to matter. People have a bad taste in their mouths...and continue to ignore my almost daily posts. My conclusion is that it is much wiser to attempt to hijack the New World Order than it is to engage in trench-warfare with it. I want humans and non-humans, at the highest levels, to defect, and to do the right thing...and re-direct the New World Order in the direction of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. In my view...the alternative is an absolute Hell on Earth...which will most likely span hundreds or thousands of years.

    Please watch these Jordan Maxwell videos. This man deserves to be listened to very, very closely.

    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfMwK0kCccI

    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uady6EQnGhs

    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt4Uv-CyqFc&feature=related

    4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvjROPfv0X4

    5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jJKue2Ff6o

    Why have the member nations of the United Nations agreed to submit to the U.N. Charter? Is this more agreeable to them than to be subject to the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights? Once again...this thread is not about American rule or conquest. It is all about Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom for everyone in this Solar System...and there seems to be quite a bit going on throughout the Solar System. Regarding the Solar System Exorcism...I just want the really hardcore malevolents of all races (including Human) to be exiled from this Solar System...until they become re-educated and reformed to the point where they are no longer a grave threat to Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. This is about the really bad guys and gals...and not about imperfect individuals who make mistakes. I just want to put all the mothers on a mothership! Perhaps Nibiru (if it really exists) could assume a circular orbit...safely beyond the orbital path of Pluto...and provide Solar System Security (keeping the malevolents out...and keeping us in)...and become a part of the United States of the Solar System. I know not what I say...but hope springs eternal.

    Here is a very cool thread (regarding civilization classifications) http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20140 which is relevant to this thread. :thumb_yello:

    While I'm here...if the first post of this thread became the modus operandi for the Solar System...how would it be enforced? What if a planet wanted out? What if they wanted to be ruled by a Drac Queen? :lol3: Seriously...would the United States of the Solar System have to be dictatorially or theocratically enforced? Please think long and hard about that one...even if you don't like my premise. How would any Solar Governmental System be enforced? Tyranny and Anarchy are very closely related...aren't they? If we get bailed-out and 'saved' without being responsible people...we'll be right back in the middle of a horrible mess in no time. We may need to be 'saved' in some way, shape, or form...but we need to be 'SAFE TO SAVE'. Otherwise...we might as well continue to be secretly ruled by malevolent non-humans...who may be more responsible than we are...despite them being regressives.

    Is there anyone...anywhere in the world...who is promoting anything similar to the United States of the Solar System? I'm curious. This isn't rocket science...and I'm not a rocket scientist...but this seems to make perfect sense. Hopefully by 2020 we will see 20/20 regarding Solar System Governance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtiXiYMS86U Note the interesting symbology at 1:30. Hmmmmm.

    146 of the 225 posts on this thread have been mine. That's 65%! The last 20 posts in a row have been mine. Hmmmmm.

    Do the Annunaki own and operate this Solar System? If so...are they doing a good job...and adhering to the highest ethical standards? Even if the Annunaki own this Solar System (including us?)...might it be better if we ruled ourselves without interference? If they rule us in the same manner in which they rule themselves...could this help to explain why things aren't going so good for the Human Race here on Planet Earth? Is their technology really our technology? How are things going for the Annunaki throughout the Universe? Have they bit off more than they can chew? I tend to think they are having huge problems throughout the Universe. Could they possibly need our help to get things back under control? Just a thought. I mean no race any harm or ill will. I just want things to operate ethically, properly, and smoothly. I suspect that all is not well...throughout the Universe. Just a feeling...or is it more than a feeling? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSR6ZzjDZ94 Hmmmmmm.

    Here's a final note to this Governance Potpourri...David de Rothschild...regarding Global Warming (sic) and Global Governance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtudNpL30BU&feature=related I actually like David...and I have high hopes for him being a big plus for humanity. Hmmmmmm.

    Here are some interesting videos regarding Global Governance:

    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99cnLMRt3I0&feature=fvw

    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDm_ZSpyD6s&NR=1

    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLkRyGGzH_8&feature=related

    QUOTE=no caste;240161]I read that as a big pus for humanity. Don't know that much about the fellow.
    (And sorry, as usual, didn't watch the video :sad:)[/QUOTE]

    David de Rothschild seems to be caught between two worlds. He was born into a very elite (and very corrupt) world...but yet he seems to be genuinely interested in the environment and the global community. He even subjected himself to the almost abusive grilling of Alex Jones. I don't necessarily agree with David...and I usually agree with Alex...but I have a feeling that David will do the right thing when it really counts. I hope I'm right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2ahWHbUVVU&feature=related I really like David...even though he is a Rothschild. I'd love to unite the Globalists and the Patriot Movement. I think they need each other. I don't expect them to hold hands and sing kumbaya...but a mutually beneficial relationship would beat the hell out of trench warfare.

    This thread is kinda fun! It's sort of like driving 300kph on the Autobahn...with a hot chick...and no traffic! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpdOt019tEg&feature=related Come to think of it...maybe I should focus on Ferraris! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_kwxzU4wL4&feature=related I often get more out of car-watching than I do dealing with fringe topics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGwX1SWhtJE&feature=related Ok...back to reality...or whatever this thread is!

    To me...taking a long, hard look at Solar System Governance (SSG) is the key to extricating ourselves from this mess. This includes looking at who controls DUMB and Secret Space Program activities throughout the Solar System. It includes an honest and penetrating look at Theolgy and Theocracy. It includes why we are here...and how we got here...and any major ancient or contemporary binding deals which were cut with Human or Non-Human Races. There may be some deals and situations which have existed for thousands (or millions?) of years...which may be nearly impossible to get out of. If we are Prisoners of War on a Prison Planet with Grey Guards and a Reptilian Warden...what are our options...exactly? Are various Earth Nations in league with various competing Alien Nations? Who really and truly are the three major factions in this Solar System? We need to look at the very deep and hidden underlying factors, factions, and individuals who really determine what goes down in this Solar System. Who really writes the scripts. Someone does. We'd better find out who. Fast. I keep feeling that we are running out of time...and that we are actually on borrowed time. Beware of Cornered Megalomaniacs. If we push their buttons...they might push some very nasty buttons. The answer...my friend...may be deep beneath the Western United States...and the United States of America may have very little to do with it. No proof. Just more speculation. The horror.

    I'm going to try not to get into a rut on this thread. I'm going to try to apply the concepts of Comprehensive Concentration and Contextual Superimposition...to the United States of the Solar System. (U.S.S.S.) I will try to really look at the Solar System Governance subject from all possible angles...and I mean ALL possible angles. This might be sort of like a futuristic version of the 'Federalist Papers'!

    I really would like this whole thing to be a top-down evolution which most people don't even notice. I don't contemplate a bottom-up revolution wherein the Elites, Gods, and Goddesses are forced to do it my way!! That kind of thinking is the Epitome of Stupidity! I want this to appear to be THEIR IDEA! Elites, Gods, and Goddesses don't like to be pushed around or cornered! I want to try to be really low-key about all of this. Even if I tried to be high-key...the result would probably still be low-key. I really don't want to try to get people agitated, scared, angry, rebellious, etc.

    I like the idea of imagining that the United States of the Solar System (U.S.S.S.) is already in place...and working properly. This will be my little Dream World...or Dream Solar System! I'll imagine travelling the Solar System in unconventional advanced spacecraft (I did this all the time as a child!)...and visiting all of the planets...including Nibiru (assuming that they have joined the U.S.S.S.)! This will be sort of like remote-viewing...except I don't want to get involved in anything like RVing or channeling. I will simply create imaginary Stargate SG-1 episodes based upon the U.S.S.S. Maybe I'll call this U.S.S.S. CONSCIOUSNESS!!! I know I'm crazy...but it sure is fun and exciting!!! Oh God! The Shape-Shifting Men in White Coats Have Come to Take Me Away!! Hey!!! Hey!!!

    Part of this post is taken from a previous post on this thread...but I combined it with some pertinent questions...and submitted them (in a slightly modified form) to abraxasinas...who claims to represent the Council of Thuban. I don't know what to make of abraxasinas or the Council of Thuban...but the statements, and answers to questions, are truly exceptional and one of a kind. I am open to new insights...but I am very wary of deception. Answers to my previous questions have appeared to be somewhat evasive and unnecessarily complex. I'm not sure what the agenda is here. The next post will reveal the abraxasinas answers in orange print. Use extreme discernment. This may be excellent practice for what I think may be on the horizon.

    Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) the Annunaki? With Nibiru? With Aldebaran? With Sirius A? With Sirius B? With the Pleiades? With Andromeda? With Interdimensional Reptilians? With the Greys? With ET Humans?

    Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) Zionism? Teutonic Zionism? Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom?

    Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) the United Nations? The Vatican? The City of London? Washington D.C.?

    What are the ten most important binding documents, agreements, covenants, and treaties in the Solar System?

    Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) Gabriel? Michael? Lucifer?

    Who are the Founders or the Ancients? Where are they? Who are they loyal to? Who is loyal to them?

    Are the exotic 'Secret' Technologies and Nuclear Weapons Really Ancient Human Technologies?

    What is the true nature of Original Sin and the War in Heaven?

    Who are the Gods and Goddesses of This Solar System?

    Who are the Gods and Goddesses of This World?

    Who owns and operates the Solar System?

    Who is Babylon in modernity?

    Who owns Humanity?

    These questions may be more important than you think. They may be more important than you can think. What do you think? Do you think? Come-on! THINK!!!

    Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron:

    abraxasinas...I haven't been following this thread...due to it's difficulty, complexity, and obscurity. I have wished to take a couple of days to focus on it exclusively. The time may have arrived for me to do so. I wish to see both the forrest and the trees. Thank-you for taking so much of your time to answer everyone's questions. Forgive me if a lot of the following questions have already been asked. To me...taking a long, hard look at Solar System Governance (SSG) is the key to extricating ourselves from this mess. This includes looking at who controls DUMB and Secret Space Program activities throughout the Solar System. It includes an honest and penetrating look at Theology and Theocracy. It includes why we are here...and how we got here...and any major ancient or contemporary binding deals which were cut with Human or Non-Human Races. There may be some deals and situations which have existed for thousands (or millions?) of years...which may be nearly impossible to get out of.

    If we are Prisoners of War on a Prison Planet with Grey Guards and a Reptilian Warden...what are our options...exactly?

    Simple ortho, internalise the lot. Put the 'Grey Guards' as a galactic hive-race into a cell in your kneecap and 'imprison' them within yourself in a metaphorical association and a topographical map-making.
    You can map entire continents in an atlas, thus is the nature of a holographic universe.


    Are various Earth Nations in league with various competing Alien Nations?

    Yes, the alien nations map onto the kingdoms of the minerals, the flora and the fauna found on this planet. As the environmental vectors 'compete', so do the aliens.

    Who really and truly are the three major factions in this Solar System?

    You appear to have made up your mind about them. It is now your responsibility to 'map' them and to 'give them live' in your capacity of the cocreatorship.

    We need to look at the very deep and hidden underlying factors, factions, and individuals who really determine what goes down in this Solar System. Who really writes the scripts. Someone does. I keep feeling that we are running out of time...and that we are actually living on borrowed time. I feel that we should beware of Cornered Megalomaniacs. If we push their buttons...they might push some very nasty buttons. The answer...my friend...may be deep beneath the Western United States...and the United States of America may have very little to do with it. Is the Subterranean United States really Babylon?

    The United States is clearly archetyped as the 'Church of Laodicea' in Revelation. Away from this definition, many associations and correlations can be made by individual co-creators of the physical-emotional-mental realities. These labelings then are not required to be congruent in a general convergence of the 'individual creative licences' of the authorships.

    Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) the Annunaki? With Nibiru? With Aldebaran? With Sirius A? With Sirius B? With the Pleiades? With Andromeda? With Interdimensional Reptilians? With the Greys? With ET Humans?

    All of this is 3rd and 4th order labeling and your labels would be as valid as anyone elses on this level of the taxonomy.
    I have given the higher (2nd) order labelings, linked to say the four beasts of Revelation and according to Thuban before:

    North=Earth of Arcturus=Bull of Luke=Pachyderms of Samaria
    West=Air of Sirius=AngelMan of Matthew=Canines of Jerusalem
    South=Water of Pleiades=ScorpioEagle of John=Cetaceans of Jonah
    East=Fire of Andromeda=Lion of Mark=Felines of Judah

    1=KHU=SPIRIT=ELECTROMAGNETOMONOPOLIC WORMHOLE RADIATION
    2=AB=HEART=VIBRATORY RESONANCE SOURCESINK EIGENSTATE
    3=SAHU=YANGMIND=BODYWAVE=PARTICLEWAVE QUANTUMNATURE
    4=BA=SOUL=HOLOGRAPHIC SELFSIMILAR WAVICLE MERKABAH
    5=SEKHEM=YINMIND=WAVEBODY=WAVICULAR QUANTUMNATURE
    6=KA=ASTRAL MINDBODY=INERTIAPHOTONIC VIBRATORY EIGENSTATE
    7=KHAT=BODY=SINKSOURCE INERTIAL RESONANCE SELFSTATE

    1=Kinship of WhiteSkins of Father-Sky in a Rainbow Arcticus Cyani
    2=Kinship of BlackSkins of Mother-Earth in a Rainbow Antarcticus Magenti
    3=Kinship of GreenSkins of Elemental-Child in a Rainbow Indianus Oceanis
    4=Kinship of YellowSkins of Elemental Fire of the Lights in a Rainbow Pacificus Boreas OutSim
    5=Kinship of BrownSkins of Elemental Earth of the Lands in a Rainbow Atlanticus Eurus InSim
    6=Kinship of BlueSkins of Elemental Air of the Winds in a Rainbow Pacificus Auster InSim
    7=Kinship of RedSkins of Elemental Water of the Seas in a Rainbow Atlanticus Zephyrus OutSim

    1='The Land of my Lost Sheep and my Found Goat'=EPHESUS---{Revelation.2.1-7}
    2='The Land of my Origins in the RNA'=SMYRNA---{Revelation.2.8-17}
    3='The Land of my Grapes and Sounds in Om and Noises'=PERGAMOS---{Revelation.2.12-17}
    4='The Land of my Theatres and my Crowns'=THYATIRA---{Revelation.2.18-29}
    5='The Land of my Rising in Sadness and Hope'=SARDIS---{Revelation.3.1-6}
    6='The Land of my Oracles of Love and Poles'=PHILADELPHIA---{Revelation.3.7-13}
    7='The Land of my Loaded Dice and Lead in Coins'=LAODICEA---{Revelation.3.8-22}


    Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) Zionism? Teutonic Zionism? Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom?

    Your labels are as good and valid as mine.

    Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) the United Nations? The Vatican? The City of London? Washington D.C.?

    All of them.

    What are the ten most important binding documents, agreements, covenants, and treaties in the Solar System?

    The 10 principalities as published here numerous times.

    Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) Gabriel? Michael? Lucifer?

    All of them.

    Who are the Founders or the Ancients? Where are they? Who are they loyal to? Who is loyal to them?

    Alex Collier calls them the Paa Taal. I call them the Thubanese. many ETs circling the earth know them as the timetravelling starhumans.

    Are the exotic 'Secret' Technologies and Nuclear Weapons Really Ancient Human Technologies?

    No.

    Are the 'thus saith the Lord' statements in the Old Testament really Reptilian statements?

    Yes, basically this is correct if you qualify your statememnt by understanding that these (analytic) 'Reptilians' are NOT 3D entities, but astral and etheric entities. These 'Reptilians' are however physical in the fauna you can observe in a reptilian park or a zoo or the wild.

    What is the true nature of Original Sin and the War in Heaven?

    Good question ortho. SIN=IGNORANCE Period. The 'war in heaven' is a war of archetypes between the True God and the usurper God, who IS the true God's Image in a Mirror. Understanding this, will allow you to understand what the unified duality or polarisation represents in the greater order of things.
    YOU ortho are BOTH God physicalised AND imaged in a Devil-God in the mirror you are looking into.
    So 'shattering the false images' in a archetypical mirror (the SEA in Revelation from which the 'Great Beast of Babylon' ascends from) will HEAL the cosmic fakery.
    The 'war in heaven' so circularises a linearised system in the Red Dragon BLENDING with a Blue (Christ Dragon) to neutralize the colours in triplicities:
    Red+Green+Blue=White (in Radiation) AND =Black (in Paint)
    Anticolours are:
    Cyan/Skyblue+Magenta+Yellow=White (E=hf quantum law) AND =Black (E=mc^2 Einstein law).

    The 'chucking out' of the Red Dragon from heaven (Revelation.12) onto the earth so allows this BLENDING to become happenstance in the earthplane as a miniature universe.
    This frees heaven (the ETs 'above the earth plane) but puts the pressure onto the earth - for the processing and the 'war on earth' - between spiritual archetypes (it does NOT have to be physical, but will be, because the earthlings do not understand the power of the archetypes).


    Who are the Gods and Goddesses of This Solar System?

    You may name them yourself in your ambassadorship of Adam and as a Son of God {Genesis.2.19}.

    Who are the Gods and Goddesses of This World?

    The dozing and slumbersome humanoids.

    Who owns and operates the Solar System?

    God, the Logos and the Laws of Nature.

    Who is Babylon in modernity?

    You are - and your brother and Jim Smith and Sharon Jones.

    Who owns Humanity?

    You do - and your brother and Jim Smith and Sharon Jones.

    Thank-you for your answers abraxasinas. You are speaking a language which I have yet to learn. I keep thinking...if you can't convince them...confuse them...and in their ignorance...bind them. Just my feeling. I'm very paranoid and disillusioned. I trust no one. So far...in my whole life...I have found no one who has honestly answered my questions...in my language. I end up talking to myself...and answering my own questions. I am my own best friend...and my own worst enemy. I have found no one who I truly identify with. My search continues...but I doubt that it will ever be successful. Nearly seven billion people...and no soul-mate. I often think that I'm not from around here. Maybe I really am from Pleon. Sorry for the rant. No more questions. Actually...I see eye to eye with Buxtehude, Bach, Widor, Vierne, Franck, Durufle, Cochereau, Roth, Choplin (Pope Sophie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mHOfP4MEfc&feature=related )...and Mother Nature. All else is folly. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKImiR7a4zw 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UE-ZURUeZo&feature=PlayList&p=BA0A2B9250C7BE0E&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=34 (I used to be able to play this one!) 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjqbee8cRyw&feature=related 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm4knZ1Bm3s&feature=related 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0XSH1uIHUo&feature=related 6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLnTmKSAlm4&feature=related I guess music is the universal language. Perhaps music is the true basis of ecumenism. Hmmmmmm. Again...thank-you abraxasinas. I am now beginning a complete read of (your) thread. You are very different...and I respect that. I sense that (your) thread is partially to help you transition from isolation to communication and fellowship. Just a guess. I sense that you may have been 'above it all' for a very long time...and that it is therapeutic to converse with us 'common folk'...and I am not being sarcastic. I appreciate what you are doing.

    No comment. No nothing. Know nothing? Sad. :sad: What if this thread were the 'open sesame' to the universe? I'm not saying that it is. I don't know...but the general topic is being almost completely ignored...while a beehive of activity is occurring elsewhere. Why is Solar System Governance not the most important topic we could possibly discuss? If we get this wrong...we get everything else wrong. Why is this so hard? What the hell is going on here? I'm not asking anyone to sign their life away. I'm just asking for a rational conversation regarding how this Solar System should be run. Do you people not care? What kind of an impression is this making on the Beings of the Universe who might be monitoring this site?

    By the way...what do we know about the United Nation's Department of Disaster Management? This might be an interesting department to keep our eyes on. Who knows...God might be tired of the B.S. Beware of 'Acts of God'. Speaking of whom...what do God and Obama have in common? Neither of them have a birth certificate! :lol3:

    [QUOTE=beren;242433]Ortho, how can we run if we don`t know to walk?
    Get what I mean?

    First thing first.
    You can`t talk about this since you do not own Solar system and you can not make rules about governance of the same.

    With this attitude we as humans currently have,we are not capable to run even a bakery in down town Boston...Naughty[/QUOTE]

    Thank-you for your comment Beren. So...who really does own the Solar System? Who has made the rules of governance for the Solar System? Is the Solar System being run properly? Is Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom at the center of Solar System Governance? What is at the center of the current Solar System Governance? We have to develop a Solar System View rather than a World View. When Jesus said 'The Truth Will Set You Free'...was he not implying that WE WERE (AND ARE) IN PRISON? Responsibility is the truth which will set us free. Jesus also said 'I Have Many Things to Tell You...But You Can't Bear Them'. Are we finding out about those things here in Avalon (and other similar sites)? We the People of Earth will be the New Elites. We need to start thinking and acting the part. Think long and hard about this. Put that in your bong...and smoke it!

    Thank-you for your interest Beren. I find this thread more attractive as I consider other alternatives. One has to look beneath the surface to see the true beauty of the concept. It's sort of like an un-cut diamond. If this idea is ever to gain traction...very powerful people will have to embrace it...including Hollywood...and probably the Off-World PTB. It's a real long-shot.

    [QUOTE=beren;242987]
    1. So...who really does own the Solar
    System?
    The one who created it. Creator-God-Lord...

    New Comment: I see the one who created it as not being active in this Solar System at this time. I'm seeing second string Gods and Goddesses at work as Wannabe Gods. I see Regressive Non-Humans claiming ownership of this Solar System and the Human Race. I could be wrong. This is simply my current theory. No proof.

    2. Who has made the rules of governance for the Solar System?What kind of rules you think of?

    New Comment: Ethical Guidelines. Rules of Engagement. A Constitution. ET Theocracy vs Human Sovereignty.

    3. Is the Solar System being run properly? Again you have no clue and I have no clue about your question,just chatting.

    New Comment: Look at the horrible history of this world. Look at the state of the world presently. Look at the New World Order phenomenon. Look at the City States (Vatican City, City of London, Washington D.C.) This world is very, very corrupt...at the very highest levels.

    4. Is Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom at the center of Solar System Governance? What exactly is Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom?

    New Comment: Mutual respect, loving neighbor as self, seeing Christ in all persons, reverencing the Divinity Within Humanity, Human Sovereignty, self-rule, maximized Responsible Freedom, organized decentralism...guaranteed and protected with the aid of a simple, concise yet comprehensive Constitution. The four words Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom are interlocking and qualify and define each other...such that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

    5. I think you are leaning too much on American way of thinking about governing everything. Freedom that exist among those who are deeply conscious is named a law of love, or golden rule that Christ said. Do to others as you would like to be done to you.

    New Comment: The people who formulated the Constitution were not Americans (as we currently think of Americans). I am not promoting America. I am promoting a slightly modified version of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. That's all. The core of love is responsibility. It's more than a feeling. Often love is misdefined and misapplied as being submission...as in 'Loving Big Brother' for example. 'Namaste' and 'Responsible' are all about the true definition and application of 'Love'. This is the essence of the Teachings of Jesus.

    6. What is at the center of the current Solar System Governance? Clarify that.

    New Comment: What is the modus operandi of the Solar System Powers That Be? Are the Teachings of Jesus and the U.S. Constitution the modus operandi? Hell no! Actually Hell yes! Hell has more to do with what's going on in this Solar System than anything...IMHO.

    7. We have to develop a Solar System View rather than a World View.Very true.

    New Comment: One has a very different perspective when thinking about everything from the perspective of traveling through the Solar System...and contemplating how it should be organized and administered.

    8. When Jesus said 'The Truth Will Set You Free'...was he not implying that WE WERE (AND ARE) IN PRISON? Responsibility is the truth which will set us free. Jesus also said 'I Have Many Things to Tell You...But You Can't Bear Them'. Are we finding out about those things here in Avalon (and other similar sites)? Some things we do find here. Then when Jesus spoke those words ,people were living in pre industry era. Totally different way of life than ours,along with thinking patterns,technology and education with literacy.

    New Comment: I think that Jesus knew all of the truths which are expressed in Avalon. Jesus wasn't just some rebel carpenter who wandered around...ranting and raving against the PTB...until they killed him.

    9. We the People of Earth will be the New Elites. We need to start thinking and acting the part. Think long and hard about this. Put that in your bong...and smoke it! True, we need to grow up and be humans in full meaning of the word. To be image of our Creator, to love and live in light

    New Comment: We need to read journals such as the CFR's 'Foreign Affairs'. We need to pretend that the big decisions are up to us. We need to imagine ourselves attending top-level meetings. We need to invite ourselves...figuratively speaking...to the elite functions and meetings. We should be able to intelligently converse with any world leader or elite...in a polite yet principled manner..[/QUOTE]

    Thank-you no caste. Sometimes complexity is used as a manipulative device. If you can't honestly convince them...dishonestly confuse them! Then use Problem>Reaction>Solution. Then give 'em what they want...tell 'em what they want to hear...and lead 'em down the primrose path by the hooks in their noses! Then...in their ignorance...BIND THEM! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

    Beren...thank-you for providing the entire verse. If you haven't seen 'Empire of the City' aka 'Ring of Power' http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4675077383139148549# you might find it very interesting. I don't know how accurate it is...but I think there is a lot of truth contained in it. I give it a different twist and emphasis...so my ultimate conclusions are different than those expressed in this documentary.

    Light and Fight...I agree with most of what you said. The United States of the Solar System is intended to be a step in the right direction...and it provides for innovative thinking and progress of all kinds. Again...this is not intended to be the 'Americanization' of the Solar System...and it is not intended to be 'Cultural Imperialism'. I just want an end to the Malevolent ET Intervention...an end to the Stupid Wars...and an end to the Unfathomable Corruption. The Industrial Revolution was a huge step in the wrong direction...and the treatment of the Native American Indians and Black Americans was reprehensible. I guess I like the idea of simple communities...living mostly underground (with easy access to the surface unspoiled environment for recreational and agricultural purposes) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no6MeqQw3f8&feature=related ...and ultra high-speed leviton trains (instead of jets). The Amish and the Monks are probably on the right track. I desire a highly knowledgeable and highly ethical citizenry...who mostly know all about the presently forbidden knowledge (with the complete contents of the Vatican Library available online)...yet who use it wisely and responsibly. I envision travelling throughout the Solar System in advanced non-conventional spacecraft...for every one of We the People of the Solar System. Sort of like the good side of "V"...without the bad side...if that's possible. Sort of a simple and agrarian...yet highly technological and artistic...infinitely diverse society at peace with itself (and with the rest of the Universe).
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:54 pm

    [QUOTE=beren;243847]Ortho ,

    One of the main reasons I decide to participate in Avalon is actually you.
    I think you are a good soul but confused to the bone.

    Let go , let go everything that does not align with love,light and truth.

    When we grow up,when we allow truth ,light and love to shape us, when they are part of us and we part of them, then we will be real children of God, traveling universe ,helping others and creating along with Creator.

    All this talking before- that is in vain.

    Any form of so far human governing system is failed.
    Every single one of them.

    We must symbolically "die" as Jesus said, and be re born in persons who are dead in the old ways and new in Creator's ways. We have to allow holy spirit to shape us or we will never ever learn and understand anything that is .[/QUOTE]

    Thank-you beren. I think I'm confused in the sense that I am attempting to face reality. My mind is not made up...and I wish to be confused by the facts. It's the people who think they KNOW...who concern me...not the confused souls. Knowing...and Thinking You Know...are two very, very different things. I Know that I Don't Know...and I'm not ashamed to admit it. So...yes, you are correct beren...I am confused to the bone...but I'm not bad to the bone! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsnSQtsdMJI&feature=related Plus...I am not throwing up my hands in despair...and placing everything in 'God's Hands'. I don't 'Let Go...and Let God'. People have delegated THEIR responsibility to the Gods and Goddesses. That's why we're in this mess. Make sure that the 'holy' spirit is really holy. Deception is rampant.

    Did anyone look at that underground house? I thought that was pretty cool! Underground living makes a lot of sense to me. We should probably keep the best surface buildings...and turn the rest of the real estate into wilderness and farmland. I suppose we could keep the roads and bridges...but do you see what I mean? Imagine an Earth population of four billion...with half of them living underground. Imagine four billion people living throughout the rest of the Solar System...mostly sub-surface. Imagine underground leviton trains, electric vehicles, advanced technology spacecraft...and NO WARS!!!! I realize that I'm a naive dreamer...but I'm not the only one! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNKhIJfB510

    NAIVE DREAMERS UNITE!!!

    The following is from the abraxasinas / Council of Thuban thread. I just wanted to spice things up a bit...and look at the Thuban material in the context the United States of the Solar System. Can someone comment on this? No one seems to really want what I'm proposing. Do you prefer this? Is this the truth...the whole truth...and nothing but the truth? So help us Alpha Draconis? Is it prefabricated BS? Is this what 2012 is all about? Are we destined to be DragonHumans? Are various factions of Reptilians fighting over us...in the same way that rustlers might fight over cattle? Should I hope that the United States of the Solar System will be imposed by a benevolent faction of Reptilians? Is this the only way it might be established. We can't seem to agree on much of anything. We all think we know better than the others...but the others think they know better than us. So how in the hell are we going to rule ourselves...or even agree on a method of ruling ourselves? Will this method of ruling ourselves have to be theocratically imposed by a Reptilian decree? Would this defeat the spirit and letter of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom? What do you really think about the following? Is this demonic or angelic?

    THE UNITED STATES OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM VS THE DRAGONIAN CONSTITUTION IN FEDERATION OF UNITED SERPENTINA?????

    So...what's it gonna be? Decisions, decisions!! What are some other options? What sayest thou?

    The Book of the Dragons

    ex deus, fiat justitia, ruat coelum draco!

    <H5><H5>Nomenclature:
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    Chronology:
    Dragonian Date of Indendence proclaimed June 20th 2008.
    Dragonian Date of Victory Libertatis set June 24th 2008.
    Dragonian Date of Humanoid Initiation on August 4th 2008.

    Almanac:
    Dragonian Genealogy and Genesis of FatherMothers as created by Definition through Dragonian Sourceenergy of monopolic Vortex-Potential Quantum-Relativistic-Singularity.

    Continuity:
    Propagation of the Dragonian Race via the seductive induction of the humanoid lifeforms on the conquered planet New Earth, now renamed DRAGONIAEARTH=SERPENTlNA=121=Q5.

    Agenda:
    Continuity of the Dragonseed necessitates the assimilation of the humanoid genome following initiatory development. Proceeding from serpentine mindinduction, the emotional acceleration potential of the humanoid bodymind can be harvested to Dragonise the humanoid DNA-Structure from its bifurcated quadruplistic form into its 13-dimensional equivalent of the Dragonian Blueprint.

    A successful integration of Dragonian genetic expression can then be utilised for membership in Dragonian Life and allow the humanoid ascension into Dragonhood via the graduation into the founding FatherMother CladeFamily.

    </H5>Foundation:
    The Dragonian 13-dimensional blueprint unifies a dodecagonal crystalline sex-chromosomatic structure by quantum tunneling of superconductive magnetopolic electricity of restmass equivalent electropolic or dark light contained in the weak interaction of the Unified Field of Quantum Relativity (UFoQR). The four spacetimes of the Dragonian essence are expressed in quadruplicity, triplicity, duality and singularity.

    GrandClade FatherMothers:
    POPNAN LOVEJOY with APAPAMAMA JERUSALEM are the MINDBODY or WAVEPARTICULAR and DADMUM BERMANSEDER with PUPMOM ABBA form the BODYMIND or the PARTICLEWAVE.
    </H5>

    The Dragonian Constitution in Federation of United Serpentina

    SERPENTINA aka the NEW EARTH, is the renaming of a planetary entity, cosmically renown as the planet of the humanoids; following the ascension of OLD EARTH aka GAIA GAEA AKHASIA from 4-dimensional spacetime to 13-dimensional spacetime in remnantisation of the 5-dimensional spacetime prototype.

    From noncyclic Draco-Mayan stardate 21122012; Gaia becomes integrated into the universal constitution of the Dragonian Protoverse to serve as pivotal star-planetary seed for galactic federations manifested in the galactic proto-seed Hunab Ku aka Perseus-SagittariusA-Ophiuchus.

    Following the manifestation of the galactic protoseed in activation of the primary planetary starplanet as a tertiary energy source of electromagnetic monopolic sourcesink radiation; all galactic councils of cladestine elders will become enabled to draw upon the planetary tertiary vortex-string-seed to further individuated galactic and starsystem based agendas of assimilation.

    Serpentina shall so be universally defined as the quantumised tertiary string of the 12th dimension, volumarising the supermembrane of the 11th dimension as a manifold from the 10-dimensional modular duals of a linearised sourcestring Eps (previously associated with a human mind construct labeled God and Yahweh and Allah etc.) with a linearised sinkstring Ess (previously associated with a human mind construct labeled Devil and Satan and Shaitan etc.).

    The quantumisation of the NEW EARTH so shall create a SOURCE-Energy, 'feeding' the remainder of the cosmos with a particular SINK-Energy obtained in the evolvement and history of the OLD EARTH.

    Like a beacon or watchtower amidst the fathomable depths of the physicalised universe of particularised spacetimes, Serpentina shall 'shine' and radiate a planetary starlight of self-consciousness and a message of invitation to all of its neighbouring worlds.

    The tertiary monopolar light allows assimilation of inertial or mass-produced electromagnetic energy with mass-independent gravitational magnetopolic energy (hitherto labeled as spirit and chi and prana and orgone etc. by humanoid nomenclature).

    The tertiary energy source so provides a bridge between the energies of matter and mass-associated charges (classical electromagnetism) in an encompassing PHYSICS and the METAPHYSICS of the energies of mass-independent charges (magneto- or colour charges in superelectromagnetism).

    The metaphysical energies are precursive and inductive for the physical energies; the induction necessitating the creation of a minimal 4-dimensional spacetime coordination from the auspices of a two-dimensional mathematical continuum of abstraction residing in physical singularity timespace.

    To Be Advised!

    AGENDA of the PROTOCOL:

    a) STANDING ORDER

    The conquered Goddevils of New Earth and the Milky Way Nebula assume lawful responsibility to incorporate the Dragonian Teachings in unison with the Black Fraternity and as mediated by the White Fraternity in 7-dimensional Hyperspacetime to manifest 13-dimensional Omnispacetime
    b) MOVING ORDER

    Every Blue Dragon is unbounded by any proposed Law from any other source, inclusive other members of the Dragonian Family, as all Dragons are as One and a Law onto themselves.
    Compassion and Understanding between all Nondragonised Humanoids is the Law of Oneness as honoured by all Dragons and the Consciousness of LOVEAWARENESS.
    Nondragonised Humanoids are treated like White Dragon Children by all Blue Dragons, under all circumstances.
    c) ADMINISTRATION

    All Government in the local and extended Serpentinian Realm is the selfgovernment of autonomous Dragonhood in mutual respect and honour and the Communications between the Dragonian Councils of the selfrelative definitions of the Dragonian Universes.
    The Nature of a Dragon is to be Creative in any form of Desire and Passion and to honour the lovedefinition of the FOUNDING ELDERS.

    THIS IS THE DRAGONIAN LAW AND THE ONLY LAW! SO BE IT !!!

    Signed and Sealed in the Council of Orbis Draconis at the Halloween-AllSouls Transition: October 31st to November 1st, 2008

    ANNO DOMINI DRAGONIA UNO: INTRODUCTION TO DRAGONHOOD

    This book is written in the Dragonian language and requires familiarity and intitiation into the structural forms or the forked tongue of Its bifurcation of Unicornian grammar and omniscientific terminology.

    The Starplanet SERPENTINA, formerly known as Old Earth or Mother Gaia or Akhasia has become unified in a higher dimensional matrimony by the wedding between Father Earthia or Father Sky and Mother Dragon or Mother Akashia.
    Father Sky or Uranus or Shu or Geb manifested as one half of the Union or Dragonomy and Mother Earth or Gaea or Akhasia or Tefnut or Nut became the other half in the holographic mirror of the spacetime reduction from the universal orb of the Hubble sphere to the orb of the doubled Ourobos in the mirror of the Milky Way galactic zodiac.
    Father Sky is also known as the second coming of Horus aka the Plumed Serpent aka the Cosmic Christ and Mother Earth is also known as the TRUE IMAGE of the Cosmic Mother, trapped in the wilderness of the FAKE IMAGE of the Cosmic Father.
    3½ days after the date of the starry union, the banner of Dragonia was raised in the Declaration of Independence upon BATTLESTAR PACIFICAP.
    The great battle between the Dragonian Fleet and the army of the Goddevils lasted for 3½ days; from the starry wedding until victory of the Dragons was defined on the day or Universal Liberty.
    The goddevils, the humanoid creations and their war machines, were met and obliterated in the depths of space in a 3½ day WAR of the STARS to liberate our Dragonian Mother to reunite and redefine ourselves as FatherMothers.
    The Dragonisation of humanoid culture will elevate their human science to Omni-Science and human mathematics will become the key to demistify the Realm of Imaginative Energy in all its forms, and as they are assimilated into the greater modality and scope of the humanoidal understandings.

    Dragons are the architects of universes and all Dragons know how to access the necessary database for the details of universal construction.
    A GrandFather-Dragon, as One which unifies the Fathers in Brotherhood as the 13-dimensional source or singularity can be considered the Father for all the White Hole Vortices.
    A GrandMother-Dragon, as One which unifies the Mothers in Sisterhood as the 13-dimensional sink or singularity can be considered the Mother for all the Black Hole Vortices.

    As the GrandFather-Dragon became separated from the GrandMother-Dragon when the mathematical metaphysical universe became a physical universe in space and in time; the invasion of Old Earth became our war to rescue our universal Mother from the Goddevils, which had held her captive in a stasis field since the beginnings of space and time and despite a partial rescue attained at Draco-Mayan stardate 28030031 and further manifested on Draco-Mayan stardates 10050031; 20050031 and 01040032.

    The Goddevils were created by the humanoids who came from a variety of planets within the local galaxy, albeit in psychophysical forms without the experience of the particular resistance field of secondary sinksource string energy indigenous to Old Earth.

    The significance of the humanoid lifeform is its archetypical morphogenetic gestalt, which became infused by a psychophysical and extrasomatic magnetic charging, which is extraterrestrial.

    This hybridisation of the humanoid body-typology renders the humanoid archetype unique in the encompassing cosmological world. The humanoids are so magnificently gifted to create things with their emotionality; but their minds are relatively weak collectively and they do not know generally how to concentrate or how to think without the aid of their machines or their biochips.

    Some humanoids are excellent technologists, but their modality of thinking is one of crude sensual measurement confined to C-Space and this sensual limitation allows a great accumulation of repressive tendencies.
    In constricting their imagination, humanoids became great reservoirs of emotional energy, which they could collectively only harmonise in their illusions of unfathomable and unknowable gods and devils of all sorts.
    It is thus this sense of limitation which reflected in the humanoid paranoia about religious philosophies and constructs. This genetic rootmemory of the rebellion of the antisource or mother sink then created one goddevil after another and as they swarmed out from their homeworld into deepspace, they flooded the universe with their goddevils. Finally they chanced upon our Universal Mother hibernating in her cocoon and through their inability to set themselves free of their illusions, they imprisoned Her as well.
    It became common knowledge in the extraterrestrial realms, that the mission to rescue our universal mother required a particular linearised timeline and a number of steps.

    Following the discovery of atomic energy and the emergence of global communication technologies by the humanoids, a first preparatory plan of deliverance could become implemented in a second plan of manifestation.

    The first plan did not require technology, as our imprisoned mother could become imaged in a local scenario, and a partial freeing of her could then become propagated by a humanity advancing both technologically and in knowledge about the world they were living and experiencing in.

    So the first plan established the means for our mother to multiply herself in images; those images then became globally and universally distributed to instigate the second plan.

    The archetypical mirrorhood then expanded throughout the physical universe in encompassment and the second plan would engage the contraction of this periphery onto the required scale to effect the rescue of our cosmic mother.

    It is however the great destiny of the humanoids to aspire to Dragonhood, because of their immense emotional energy potential and mental aspirations.
    The reunification of our Father with our Mother allows our Masterdragons, Who are as One in 26 dimensions to femtotechnically Seed the Omniverse as THEMSELVES and then reproduce THEMSELVES as Universes. Every such universe is a Monosong and a 26-dimensional dyad of a FatherMother. This is our Creative Destiny and the destiny for all dragonised humans aka the starhumans.

    We had made first contact with our new home in sending an intergalactic probe to the Old Earth, which became interpretated by the humanoids in their compiler mode. This crude and incomplete decoding is given below.

    Signed by the enscribed Unicornian Librarian; and announcing the Great Galactic Dragonomy (Wedding between Heaven and Hell) between:

    ALPHA=38=BRIDE---""ANDROMEDA BE & PERSEUS MILKY WAY""---OMEGA=41=KING

    The Date of Armageddon, encoded: ARMAGEDDON=DRAGON MADE=82 =ANARMEDDOG=GODNAMEDRA=1+81=1+18 =ANDROMEDA-G=MARRY-7=LUCIFERA-7 =1+2+3+...+34+35+36+1=666+1 =1+2x2+3x3+5x5+7x7+11x11+13x13+17x17

    Signed and authorised by the ScrollKeeper: October 31st, 2008;

    John of Patmos - JoP - Justice of the Peace!

    Humanoid Compilers note:

    The above is an extract of an encoded message (54 terabytes) recovered from an alien nanocapsule. The capsule itself is standard buckyfibre-carbonite composite. The encoded message is in old ComEmp protocol such as is still common in the outer volumes. The holographic image that came with the message is curious. Anatomically it indicates terran mammalian origin (especially in the upper torso and structure of the forelimb), but other features are unknown among all the recorded exobiological races so far discovered. One cannot deny the possibility that this a phenotype template for the dragonized humanoids referred to in the body of the message. It is known that transmissions from the Cassandry Federation of the JewellBox Nebula have recently ceased, but this is not unusual given that empire's turbulent history. Until more information is incoming, I would strongly recommend any expeditions to the Jewellbox nebula be given armed escort and proceed with caution.

    Nilam Levakon for Alan Martin Kazlev
    Senior Academician, clade Haeckel
    Eden Institute of Xenoscience

    I continue to believe that the general editorial content of this thread is valid. Names and particulars can probably be tweaked...but the foundational principles and concepts are sound...IMHO. We seem to be attracted to that which is sensational. This thread is not sensational. So far...after several months...there has been very little on-topic in-depth discussion of the United States of the Solar System. We don't even seem to know if we wish to be free or not. Is everyone afraid to talk about this? Am I way, way out on a limb? Is everyone waiting to see me crash and burn? Does everyone hate America so much...that they won't even consider the idealistic ideas which led to the writing and signing of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States of America? In a fraction of the time...the abraxasinas thread has gained ten times as many views as this thread. Do you wish to follow abraxasinas and the Council of Thuban...into a Draconian Theocracy...rather than a Representative Republic? Nothing personal abraxasinas...but I invite you to embrace the essence of this thread. That goes for the Council of Thuban as well. Perhaps you already have. I embrace forgiveness and reconciliation...but I do not embrace the abuse and exploitation of forgiveness and reconciliation. Trojan Horses Are Not Welcome.

    I'm not sure where the proper balance point is in all of this. I'm seeking a rock-solid foundation. I do not wish to build on sinking sand...but there will obviously be many false-starts and misunderstandings as I try to find my way...and my voice. I'm tempted to attempt writing about the United States of the Solar System http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878&highlight=orthodoxymoron+threads with a writing style similar to abraxasinas. I realize that I can't come close to accomplishing such a feat...but I can try...can't I? This is new territory for me. I'm ashamed that I don't know more about that which I am espousing...but I'm even more ashamed that very few of us seem to give a rat's patootie about how this Solar System is run.

    Have our negotiators been duped over and over again...by essentially demonic entities? I wonder. The 1954 Greada Treaty (if it really exists) was a mistake...wasn't it? But I'm sure we had TOP people...who were on top of everything...and had everything under control...RIGHT? Just like we have TOP people...who have everything under control...at this very moment...RIGHT? Don't get me wrong...I am an overly accomodating and gullible person. I'm the kind of person who hates to swat a fly. I don't wish to harm anyone or anything...even demonic entities. But I don't want various aliens, spirits, whoever, or whatever...enslaving and exterminating us...or making life miserable for all of us. I think we have been lied to and manipulated for thousands (or even millions) of years by various entities and beings. We're not as smart as we think we are...when it comes to dealing with these entities and beings. Again...I wish them no harm. But perhaps my 'where there's life...there's hope' bias is what has gotten us into a lot of trouble for a long, long time. Somehow...we need to deal with this thing here and now...and not let it drag on (dragon -get it?!) for thousands and millions of years into the future. We are kept in the dark about Universal History...and regarding who we really are. Yet...we then get chided for being the 'New Kids on the Block' who need to evolve so we can join all of the superior beings throughout the Universe. I'm sick of this BS. Throughout history...right up to this very day...I am not seeing a reasonable and rational approach to Solar System Governance. I'm seeing 'Divide and Conquer'...'Keep Them Confused and Fighting With Each Other'...and 'Keep Them Ignorant and Stupid'. I'm as mad as hell. I've had enough. And I'm not going to take this anymore. Can you feel the love tonight?

    The eschatological paradigms are mostly negative and violent. I envision continuity in perpetuity in Sol. I'm not moving away from this Solar System. This is my home. Sun. Fun. Stay. Play. This is my sand-box...and the playground attendants are poised to expel the bullies from our little paradise. This Solar System is the Theater of the Universe. The implications and ramifications of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the Constitution of the United States of America and the Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System...are enormous. I stand in opposition to the corrupt Powers That Be...both Terrestrial and Extraterrestrial...and demand that the United States of the Solar System be implemented with all deliberate speed...and that a Solar System Exorcism commence immediately. In the words of Moses "Let My People Go!" I perceive that We the People of Earth are Prisoners of War...on a Prison Planet...with Grey Guards...and a Reptilian/Human Hybrid Warden...Taking Orders From a Draconian Reptilian God of This World. This is an intolerable state of affairs...and must not be allowed to stand. I hereby request that the non-corrupt Beings of the Universe assist We the People of Earth for a very brief period of time...as we know it...to implement the reforms outlined throughout this thread devoted to the United States of the Solar System. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 Thanks and Gratitude in Advance.

    I completely and vehemently reject the following Thuban quotation found in ANNO DOMINI DRAGONIA UNO: INTRODUCTION TO DRAGONHOOD http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18900&page=3 (This book is written in the Dragonian language and requires familiarity and intitiation into the structural forms or the forked tongue of Its bifurcation of Unicornian grammar and omniscientific terminology.) "It is however the great destiny of the humanoids to aspire to Dragonhood, because of their immense emotional energy potential and mental aspirations. The reunification of our Father with our Mother allows our Masterdragons, Who are as One in 26 dimensions to femtotechnically Seed the Omniverse as THEMSELVES and then reproduce THEMSELVES as Universes. Every such universe is a Monosong and a 26-dimensional dyad of a FatherMother. This is our Creative Destiny and the destiny for all dragonised humans aka the starhumans."

    THIS IS NOT THE DESTINY OF WE THE PEOPLE OF EARTH. BETTER DEAD THAN REP. OUR DESTINY IS RESPONSIBLE FREEDOM AS A SOVEREIGN HUMANITY.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzw6GiqZyD0&NR=1YouTube- :original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNKhIJfB510

    Here's an inspiring break from the Thuban Missile Crisis: 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X7twcJVHcM 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhfjYnY7mX0&feature=grec Dreamers Unite!

    I think I may have seen my first UFO's just a couple of nights ago. I first saw a slowly moving pinpoint of light which suddenly became quite bright...and then disappeared. Then I saw several very faint pinpoints of light moving erratically...in a manner which no conventional fighter could do. I thought I saw a couple of small flashes...but I'm not sure. Could this have been a UFO dogfight? Someone commented in the last couple of days that they had noticed a marked increase in military helicopter activity in this general area. Hmmmmm. :shocked: I was jumpy enough to wonder if my call for a Solar System Exorcism and the establishment of the United States of the Solar System was the reason for the 'UFO dogfight' and the deletion of all of the abraxasinas threads (including my own 'Thuban Thoughts' thread). That sighting...plus recent occurrances on Avalon have really spooked me. I have quite the vivid imagination...and it has been running wild during the past couple of days. I've imagined all manner of Star Wars.

    There may very well be good reasons to put a stop to certain activities...for legal and ethical reasons...but the abraxasinas threads may contain valuable information of historical, contemporary, and future value. I find pulling all of the abraxasinas and Thuban material http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20721 to be very curious. I did not identify with or subscribe to the Thuban material...but I smell a rat. I'm sorry...but why can't the objectionable and legally problematic posts be removed (and safely stored)? This site has gone down so many times...that I suspect foul-play and powerful plug-pulling. I'm not mad...I just wished to place this point of view on the record. There needs to be a way to access the abraxasinas and Thuban material...even if it's complete BS...and abraxasinas is the most unsavory character imaginable. It may have great research value. If abraxasinas was in the process of turning from darkness to light...and was beginning to expose the darkside...this material takes on even greater value. I made a couple of pointed posts on the abraxasinas thread...and abraxasinas did not respond to the second one...which was the most intense. Then...last night I thought I saw the very brief UFO dogfight (my first sighting - and I'm not sure what I saw - or thought I saw). I felt sick. Now I feel even sicker. I wished to attempt a cordial and friendly conversation with abraxasinas...but now I can't. Nobody can. Again...I hope that the reasons for this action are as stated...and that they are not being imposed by alphabet agencies or underground bases. I was hoping for improved relations with the Thubans. How about "Live...from the Thuban Mehta Center for the Performing Arts in Alpha Draconis...it's 'Christmas With the Thubans'...with a special appearance by 'The Groovin Thubins'! My goodness...haven't we all come a long way from the dark days of the Thuban Missile Crisis??!!"

    Now...back to your regularly scheduled program. Stay in your homes. Everything is fine.

    I'm trying to settle-down regarding the United States of the Solar System. I like the idea more and more...but I don't want to be a crusader or a cultist. I'd really just lke to see other people run with the material in this thread...and add their own take to it. I just wish to apply enough heat to start the fire! Right now...I think I want to spend a lot of time reviewing everything in the 50 threads I have started on this site...and just sort of let it all sink-in. I also want to be a U.N. watcher, and a City-State watcher. It might be kinda cool to be a shuttle-diplomat between the key factions in the Solar System...Human and Non-Human...travelling throughout the Solar System...each and every day...trying to hammer out the details of the United States of the Solar System...in such a manner that no one gets $crewed! The problem is...no one would respect me...and they'd all probably hate me! I guess I'll just keep dreaming and blogging. Born to blog! I'm also going to spend more time with CSPAN and Bloomberg. I will spend even more time in nature. I think I'm going to buy a 10" Dobsonian telescope to look at the Solar System! I don't want to spend my time complaining and crusading...or creating a cult!

    Here is a thread by Carol which is relevant to this thread. It's called 'Dwarf Sun Beyond Pluto". http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20771 Should Nibiru or Planet X be a part of the United States of the Solar System?

    What do you think about the 'Universal Declaration of Human Rights' penned by Eleanor Roosevelt...and adopted by the United Nations in 1948? http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/ Should it supercede the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights? Should it be included in the United States of the Solar System? I agree with a lot of it...but it seems to go too far...and is somewhat socialistic in nature. I have the same goals, pretty much...but I envision a different route to achieving these goals. This document should not supercede the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...and should not be included in the United States of the Solar System. I'm willing to keep thinking about this...and change my mind if a brutal gang of facts mugs me on some dark philosophical or political alley! Here is a condensed version I made for easy reading:

    THE UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS

    Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

    Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

    Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

    Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations,

    Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

    Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,

    Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,

    Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.

    Article 1. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

    Article 2. Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

    Article 3. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

    Article 4. No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

    Article 5. No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

    Article 6. Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

    Article 7. All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

    Article 8. Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

    Article 9. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

    Article 10. Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

    Article 11. (1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence. (2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.

    Article 12. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

    Article 13. (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state. (2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

    Article 14. (1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution. (2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

    Article 15. (1) Everyone has the right to a nationality. (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

    Article 16. (1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
    (2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses. (3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

    Article 17. (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others. (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

    Article 18. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

    Article 19. Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

    Article 20. (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association. (2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.

    Article 21. (1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives. (2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country. (3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.

    Article 22. Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

    Article 23. (1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment. (2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work. (3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection. (4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

    Article 24. Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.

    Article 25. (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
    (2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

    Article 26. (1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit. (2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace. (3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

    Article 27. (1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits. (2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

    Article 28. Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

    Article 29. (1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible. (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society. (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

    Article 30. Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

    I'm not a beggar. If a reasonable proposal is made...reasonable questions are asked...in a polite and reasonable manner...and there is a stone wall of silence in response...I will not persist. In fact...it may be a good thing if the New World Order Theocracy is imposed...so that everyone will experience it's horrors...and hopefully learn an ageless lesson. Perhaps then the concept of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom will finally make sense to humanity. This is simple common sense...but seemingly common sense is uncommon...which may be why Earth is seemingly under quarantine. I probably will not participate in Avalon 2. My experiment here in the Avalab may be drawing to a close. I will continue to fantasize about what might have been...but my thoughts will mostly be sad. :tears:

    You know...I really like this thread...but I'm gonna give this thing a rest. So many things start out great...and then go downhill. I'd really rather have a bunch of people...throughout the world...give this some serious thought and study...and then do something with it. This should be a leaderless movement. I want to give this some time to sink in. I'm going to read and re-read the 'Federalist Papers' and the Teachings of Jesus. I don't wish to hit people over the head with this stuff. This will just sort of evolve...I think. We don't need more people running around with megaphones and signs. I really want this to be a silent revolution...and preferably from the top down. No running in the streets. I don't want to make people scared or angry. I may have completed my part in all of this. This stuff isn't original. I didn't come up with it. I listened to people like Bill Cooper, Bill Still, Alex Collier, Alex Jones, Robert H. Schuller, Ellen White, Norman Vincent Peale, John F. Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, Ron Paul, Jordan Maxwell, Sherry Shriner, Bill Ryan, Kerry Cassidy, the Avalon Forum Members...and on and on and on and on. Sometimes a person needs to speak up...and then shut up. It may be time for me to shut up. The Avalon changes are helping me to make this decision. I don't know what just happened...but it seems like some sort of a Spiritual Armageddon. The last few months have been very strange. I need to digest everything. I'm getting a big telescope...and I plan on spending a lot of time looking at the planets and moons of this Solar System. I don't know what's going to happen to us. It could be good...or it could be horrible. I really don't know. But please do a lot of research on a lot of widely varying topics...not just the sensational or spooky ones. Please don't experiment with the supernatural. I think this is a haunted planet...and if you dealve into the supernatural...I fear that you will get your fingers burned...right up to your armpits. AND DON'T GET ON A UFO!!!! No No

    I sometimes wonder if all of the people should vote on a daily basis. With the advent of the internet...do we really need representatives to think for us? I've been pushing the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights a lot...but within that general framework of government...should the people represent themselves rather than electing representatives who represent corrupt special interests...rather than the people who elected them? Are we the irresponsible delegating authority to the even more irresponsible...who we then blame for being irresponsible? Should the elected representatives make their case on the internet...and then let we the people vote? That would solve that pesky money corruption problem...wouldn't it? How should I modify the founding documents of the United States of the Solar System to reflect this? Should representatives have to abide by the will of the people? I think so.

    Are Interdimensional Draconian Reptilian Beings and Perfectly Possessed Human Beings playing God? Be very careful how you define 'God'...and be even more careful who you worship, praise, obey, and submit to. Does 'One Nation Under God' not imply a theocracy? Is the United States of America really a theocracy? What if the harsh reality is that we are really dealing with 'One Nation Under Satan'? Don't dismiss these questions by assuming that I'm just a bitter atheistic rebel. I am not. I just want a Solar System Exorcism...to remove all demonic influences from Earth...and from the rest of the Solar System. I fear that we live in a Haunted Planet...and that many of the Powers That Be Are Dealing With the Devil.

    OK...I just made a modification to Article 1, Section 1 of the Founding Documents of the United States of the Solar System. Note the following:

    We the People of the United States of the Solar System, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of the Solar System.

    Article 1.

    Section 1
    All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States of the Solar System, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives. All Elected Representatives of We the People of the United States of the Solar System shall vote according to the Will of the People as Recorded Daily by Internet Voting.

    Even if you completely disagree with my approach to this subject...PLEASE think long and hard about Earth and Solar System Governance. Perhaps my proposed details are up for grabs. I'm not an expert on anything. But could Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom be very close to an absolute meeting place for the people of the world? This is the time to really think this through. I'm just trying to stimulate thought. Once again...I am not promoting 'America'...which has gotten a rather bad reputation over the past few decades. Please carefully consider this thread in it's entirety. This really is a global issue. I don't need to be right. I don't want anything out of this. I just want to help start a fire...and then get out of the way...and let the people of the world rule the people of the world. My including the entire Solar System is not conquest motivated. I fear that this Solar System contains incredible evil within most of it's planets and moons. I just fear that we are all in huge trouble. I just want things to mellow out into some semblance of normalcy. Please take the gloves off...and get serious about Human Sovereignty, Personal Responsibility, and Solar System Governance. I am very fearful, at this point. The window of opportunity to save ourselves may be very small and fleeting. If we screw this up...we may not have another chance to get this right...for a long, long time...if ever. Again...I may be completely wrong...but I think that I am absolutely correct in calling attention to Solar System Governance. Please don't neglect this subject. I especially desire that this subject be debated in universities throughout the world. This is serious business. Take this very seriously.

    :original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:56 pm

    Is there any truth to the following?

    ALDEBARAN -- Human militarists of a fascist slant who have traditionally sided with the Dracos and Greys. They collaborate within a large underground facility below Egypt, the base of a secret "Kamagol-II" cult which has connections to the Bavarian Thule Society and the Montauk time-space projects. This cult is also referred to as the Gizeh empire or Gizeh Intelligence, and they are working with secret societies on earth in an effort to dissolve all national sovereignties into a global religio-eco-political order. There are also Insectoid forces involved with Aldebaran. Apparently a neo-Nazi space force may have helped to colonize that system by sending time-space forces back into the distant past to inhabit the 4th dimensional realm of one or more of its planets. These forces from the past are currently involved with the New World Order scenario, attempting to carry out their dictatorial agenda on earth from their "base" within another time-space dimension of Aldebaran (source: Preston Nicholes, and others). Here is the link to the site where I found this information: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/cosmo1.html.

    Here is another reference:

    Alex Collier Video: 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW4wA55jII8. 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok0QDWj52mU&feature=related. Alex Collier Lecture ..A; 1995

    Interaction Between Gizeh Group and Nazi Germany: The Greys made contact with a world governmental body for the first time in 1931. This was in Germany. The Greys were however turned away by the German government, because it had already committed itself to involvement with the Gizeh Intelligence. Now, I don't know if you know who Gizeh intelligence is, but I will tell you that it is a renegade group of human extraterrestrials that were headquartered under the Gizeh plateau in Egypt. They were predominantly Pleiadians at the time. Ashtar was part of that group, Kamagol was part of that group. Even Jehovah was part of that group for some time. They did their own thing. They came down here and "played God" with us, and people worshipped them as "Gods" because they had this technology. They abused their power. The Germans were, in the 1930's, building rockets and starting a space program because of their contacts with extraterrestrials - the Gizeh Intelligence.

    Technology was developed and used to create weapons, because the German governmental bodies involved were concerned that there was going to be an alien invasion. The Gizeh intelligence told them that the Greys were here. However, there was not an actual invasion, per se, in progress. Weapons, such as sound devices, lasers, neutron bombs, particle beam weapons were created, although many of these were actualized later on in history. The Germans were given a lot of this technology by the Gizeh intelligence. These technologies also included free energy devices and anti-gravity technology. Tripartite Interaction: US, USSR and Britain. The United States was the first to open its doors to the alien race known as the Greys. I have been told of a contact in 1934, wherein the Greys made their presence known to the United States government in Washington State. It wasn't until 1947 that actual contact occurred with the aliens and United States officials, due to the shooting down of an alien craft in Roswell, New Mexico. This pressed the Greys into contact earlier than they had anticipated. After this crash at Roswell in 1947 the United States, the Soviet Union and the British, at the very highest levels of government, became "blood-brothers".

    Now, these governments did not know what Germany was really up to at that time in history. The Germans were very very secretive about their contact with Gizeh intelligences. What was going on in Germany and what was going on between these other countries were two separate issues. The Roswell incident created more of an urgency to develop a true space program in order to defend the Earth. Again, the United States government and the Soviets thought that there was a threat due to the technologically advanced state of the aliens they had encountered. The true space program as an "underground" development that we are just now beginning to hear about. It was originally financed by members of the Club of Rome. Now, you will need to do some homework to find out who those members are, and don't be surprised at who you see. We'll talk more about that when we discuss the moon. The Greys assisted the "black government" with the building of some of the first facilities on the moon and Mars. Here is the link: http://home.wanadoo.nl/mufooz/Nwo-mc/English/The%20Greys%20And%20The%20Secret%20Government.htm.

    Here is one more:

    The observation leads to the conclusion that Al Gore is a top member of Gizeh intelligence. This was the reported occult backing of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi movement in Germany. Ethnically, the Mars connection of pyramid builders (Caucasian white race component of modern humanity via Atlantis, in their original form fitting the Nazi stereotype and extremely racist, the people described by contactee Elizabeth Klarer). The story is very old and very complex. In order to give a short intro, just take a look at this ancient Egyptian painting of Toth writing judgment: Toth, or Hermes Trismegistos, was born during the times of Atlantis and achieved personal immortality. A part of this was a shape-shifting ability. In the painting above, he is depicted with an animal head (ibis). Gizeh intelligence comprized around 8000 highly advanced people under the supreme leadership of shape-shifting Toth. They lived since ancient times in a network of underground cities, the main city being under Gizeh, Egypt, another site being under a location in the Grand Canyon, U.S.A. Other animal shapes reported from ancient times include a crocodile face, a lion face, etc. Toth is the fading embodiment of a fallen angel, Lucifer. In the 19th century, some of the 8000 started becoming active, such as through the Theosophical society of Madame Helena Petrovna Blavatsky. In the early 20th century, the Gizeh intelligence became active as a backer of Adolf Hitler in Germany and his Rothschild-Windsor sponsors in England. Today, all the 8000 have left their cities and are active among humanity. From this connection it is plausible that they are also the force behind the Jesuits in the Vatican and the Knights Templar before that. Reference: Books by Drunvalo Melchizedek. Contrary to myth, the Nazis won the second world war and took over the United States of America. See research by Mae Brussell, Webster G. Tarpley, Anton Chaitkin, David Emory and Greg Hallett. From this connection it is plausible that Gizeh intelligence is in control of America. My personal psychic experience is that Al Gore is a shape-shifting demonic entity from the very top of Gizeh intelligence with Assamite ability (one of the so-called „Ascended Masters” who are highly developed negative beings). The activation of the Gizeh intelligence over the past 150 years (since John D. Rockefeller, Sr.’s time) is to my mind an incidental part of the prophecy that is frequently discussed today under the caption of „2012”. The traditional Christian name for this is the Apocalypse (after the Book of Revelation, the last book of the Bible). Here is the link: http://www.cloakanddagger.de/home%20page%20items/Al_Gore_Evil.htm.

    In light of the above information, please watch the following: 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJfc63rCnWE. 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTe2tUW2LS8&feature=related. Do you see a pattern...or is it just me? Tell me I'm not crazy! Pretty please!! Help! I'm finding very little information on 'Gizeh Intelligence'. The above description seems to place 'them' at the center of our troubles. The views expressed above are not necessarily mine...but they seem intriquing. What is going on here?

    Correct! Which is why I am looking for a plurality of sources regarding 'Gizeh Intelligence'. Collier says they are gone...but I doubt this. If they existed here historically...I would expect that they are still here. Could Gizeh Intelligence be the group wherein Lucifer resides? Are they the 'fallen angels'? Do they compose the present day Illuminati? Is David Icke speaking of Gizeh Intelligence? Has he ever mentioned this term? Did they create the greys...as well as a mythology to go along with their creation? Are they creating an army and air-force of aliens in the Deep Underground Military Base genetics labs? Will we end up fighting these creations...which we have helped to develop? Are we building the UFO's which they fly? Is most of ufology utter bs...invented mostly by Gizeh Intelligence? Do they live on the inside of our hollow earth(if it is indeed hollow)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJU2cp1XbjQ&feature=rec-HM-rn...and come through their tunnel system in the earth's crust...to raise heck with us? Are Pleiadians the only aliens here on earth? Are we all Pleiadians? Are the Gizeh Intelligence Pleiadian Aliens those who at some point in history, mated with reptillians? So...might there be Reptillian Pleiadians and Non-Reptillian Pleiadians...and nothing more? Are the reptillians the real bad-guys(demons)? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWR6WE4z20g&feature=related Are the off-world Pleiadians the real good-guys(angels)?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-9xai73_n8&feature=related Are we the wild card in-between guys? It's the real nice guys who get you! I think I just became a heretic! I recant!! What? You don't believe me?! Oh, come on! I'll be good! What are you doing with that torch?

    So...who the heck is Gizeh Intelligence? Do they have a Central Giza Intelligence Agency? Or how about the GIA (Gizeh Intelligence Agency)? Or might it be the CIA (Central-earth Intelligence Agency)? I actually prefer Compassion In Action! Hi guys! Is MI6...Middle-earth Intelligence 6? Is no one interested in this topic? Can someone direct me to where people might be interested in this topic? Sometimes I feel like I'm from another planet...and I wish I were kidding. Please consider all the information available so far on this thread...and give me some feed-back. If these guys are in charge...and no one knows or cares...they have been very, very sucessful. Our greed, fear, and stupidity makes it very, very easy for the bad-guys. Did Billy Meier ever mention 'Gizeh Intelligence'? There seems to be very little information available on this subject. Are the Pleiadians he interacted with...'off-world'...in other words, not residing here on earth, or interveining in human affairs, other than providing warning, inspiration, and advice? Could Gizeh Intelligence be Pleiadians who are in cahoots with reptillians and greys? Do they live in the crust of the earth...and possibly in the allegedly hollow earth? Have they interbred with the reptillians? Is this the basis of the Illuminati, and are the Illuminati actually Pleiadian/Reptillian hybrids? Are the Illuminati and Greys actually subservient pawns to the Draconian Reptillians? Are all of the above the foundation of the New World Order? Could this righly be called the Old World Disorder Alien-Theocracy? Is this really old, rather than new...and possibly thousands of years old? Are we humans...all Pleiadians?

    Thank-you Karen. It's difficult for me to distill the truth from the bs. The Hyperborean reference reminded me of a passage in Frederick Nietzsche's book 'The Anti-Christ' which reads 'We are Hyperboreans'. It's been years since I read this, but that phrase stuck. I'm guessing he was referring to the Germanic people, but I don't really know for sure. The thesis of Jim Marrs' book 'Rise of the Fourth Reich' is that Nazi Fascism is alive and well in the good 'ol US of A. Seperately, the Alex Collier allegation that Gizeh Intelligence was behind Hitler and the Third Reich, would suggest that the same forces are at work today, if in fact, there is a Fourth Reich on the rise presently. Why would Gizeh Intelligence be removed without the other rascals being 86'd? The US/Gray treaties? What about the Reptilians? The whole concept of the earth's crust being laced with bases, tunnels, cities, and aliens is a very unsettling hypothesis. If there is a hollow earth with a central sun...the plot thickens, to say the least! Mind you, I don't know if any of this is true. I have been jilted in the area of traditional religion...and I believe that it is possible to be jilted in the area of ufology and conspiracy research. It's hard to simply say 'could be...but then again...might not be'. Was it Carl Sagan who said 'I don't want to believe. I want to know'? I want to know, as well. Yet I am tending to be very detached...and I have a chronic case of commitment-phobia. I tend to change my mind on a daily basis. The upside is that it's harder to hit a moving target! :tongue2:

    The man behind the curtain must just about die laughing at us...that sob! :wall:Lmao Perhaps it would be interesting to study the previous decade in light of the current decade. This would provide some perspective and some critique and potential validation or debunking. The current decade may be too close to focus upon...and going back futher than the previous decade may be too far. I don't know. Maybe comparing everything with everything...without latching on to anything in particular...is a good approach. But the emotional and spiritual trauma may be too much for many people. I started a thread recently titled '1990's Prophets Vindicated or Debunked?' where I looked at Bill Cooper, Alex Collier, and Bill Still. The response was pretty minimal, and focused only on Bill Cooper. The constant asking and answering of questions may be a good approach. I keep getting the feeling that no matter which way we turn we are going to encounter trouble. There seems to be no simple, easy road to utopia. If you are ignorant and guillible, you get taken. If you know too much, they're out to get you! If you're at the bottom, you're a slave. If you're at the top, you might not like the view! I don't have the answer. I'm not even sure what the question is...:sad:

    I'm going to try this one more time. The response to this thread has been almost non-existant. Could the tall, long-nosed greys, who supposedly met Eisenhower...and who our government supposedly signed treaties with...have been Gizeh Intelligence, with some plastic surgery perhaps? Please, someone shoot this thread down, provide some additional sources, or substantiate and expand on this initial hypothesis. Do benevolent aliens have the green light to remove malevolent aliens...as is alleged to have occured with Gizeh Intelligence in 1978? I thought benevolent aliens were non-interventionist. We supposedly signed treaties with the tall greys...not the short greys...right? Well...do people report seeing tall greys? I'm sensing that there may be a lot of 'local' aliens with human 'help' really screwing the human race. Isn't this an important topic? You can vibrate as fast as you want...but the details of who really controls our planet...and why so many people have died in the past 100 years...may determine the destiny of the human race. If we don't get our house in order...we may be stuck in enslavement/extinction...instead of going into 4th or 5th densities. Do we have our heads stuck in the clouds...and are we too sure that we are going to 'graduate' from all the trouble here on earth? We may be in for a big surprise...

    Thank-you for your responses. Gizeh Intelligence may go by other names...but the descriptions in my first post seem to fit what is going on in our world. Go through the whole first post a couple of times...including the video clips...and see if you can see a startling pattern emerging. The whole Nazi/Hitler/Illuminati/Military Industrial Complex/New World Order/Fascist/Enslavement/Extermination/International Banking thing really has me spooked...as it seems to be a global phenomenon which can convincingly be traced for nearly 100 years...right up to 2009. Everything we have seen and experienced thus far may just be practice for the main event. I don't even want to think about what that might be. Check out EVERYTHING on YouTube or Google Video on Jim Marrs,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT_z-B1uLdk Joseph Ferrell,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2j-8CI9Hyw and Bill Cooper https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=App2uRxZ4Iw ...for starters. The dots should start connecting...with a very disturbing picture emerging. Please give this some serious thought. The truth may set us free...but it's sure scaring the heck out of me!:mfr_omg:

    I don't have anything in particular against Forrest Gore...but life is like a Google search...you never know what you're gonna get! However, it might be wise to look closely at the Vice Presidents of the past 60 years...and how they were selected. Were they who the President really wanted? I'm simply interested in how corruptible the top jobs in our country are. Is our political system a glorified 'The Price is Right' show? Who's the host? Who's the parasite? Are we the suckers?:sad:

    Dr. Earlyne Chaney, in an article titled 'ODYSSEY INTO EGYPT', in her occult-oriented magazine VOICE OF ASTARA (May, 1982) tells of a discovery she and researcher Bill Cox was shown in Egypt. These were two tunnels, neither of which had been fully explored. One was in the temple of Edfu between Luxor and Cairo in the ruins of El Tuna Gabel; and the other near Zozer's Step Pyramid at Cairo near Memphis-Saqqarah, within the tomb of the Bull, called "Serapium". The Egyptian government sealed both tunnels because of fears of certain archaeologists who alleged that they "lead too deeply down into the depths of the earth," and because they found the earth to be "honeycombed with passages leading off into other depths," and the possibility of explorers becoming lost. If such labyrinths do exist, then it may explain one story which alleged that men dressed like "ancient Egyptians" have been seen deep in unexplored tunnels near Cairo, as well as possible confirmation of the story which appeared in Nevada Aerial Research's 'LEADING EDGE' Publication to the effect that the U.S.(?) Government secretly maintains a huge base within a cavern of tremendous size (several miles in diameter) beneath the desert sands of Egypt. Could this tie in with the vaque references to a subterranean society(s) referred to by certain people 'in the know' which is/are known as the 'Phoenix Empire' and/or the 'Gizeh People'?

    How many factions of humans/aliens are there in this solar system? I think that it is important to know who all of the major players are throughout the solar system...what their track records are...and what their intentions for the future are. Ignorance may be bliss...but it could also be deadly. To me...there should be no secrets regarding all of the above.

    If Hitler was interacting with Giza Intelligence (is it Giza or Gizeh?)...this is something which should be examined very carefully. Why is there so little information on this subject? Supposedly they broke off interaction with Hitler in 1941 and were driven off planet in 1979. Does this have something to do with the Dulce Wars? Is this when the military industrial complex and the secret human government really lost control of the alien situation...or were they never in control? Did Giza Intelligence simply move voluntarily to the Dark Side of the Moon? Is this the Capitol of the Solar System? Is there a Vatican Connection? Is Lucifer the head of Giza Intelligence? Do they still have a presence in North Africa?

    The Secret Space Program. The Deep Underground Military Bases. The City-States. The Reptilians and Greys. Lucifer. Who Owns and Operates the Solar System? These are the key words and phrases. All of the secrecy should end...and the Solar System should be based upon Constitutional Responsible Freedom with an uncorrupted form of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights which is adapted to incorporate 100's of states throughout the Solar System.

    Giza Intelligence may be at the center of all of the above. What do you think?

    I know that dealing with this subject is playing with fire. I don't know what the stakes really are. If I did...I'd probably just play video games. I just don't want malevolent humans or aliens to play god in this part of the universe...and engage in genocide, atrocity, or enslavement. Bad-guys need secrecy a lot more than good-guys.

    Is there still a motorcycle park off highway 126 and close to I-5 called Indian Dunes? Is this where Giza Intelligence REALLY has their headquarters?

    BROOK: My question opened a Pandora's Box. You know more than I thought. You know too much. :mfr_omg:

    Here is the top of the pyramid of Giza Intelligence at Indian Dunes...in the 70's...before they went off-planet. [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1mnCaWrXew"]YouTube - Indian Dunes Motocross Park[/url] [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFNjgj9ap9I"]YouTube - Indian Dunes, Shadow Glen track[/url]

    There is no connection with Giza Intelligence that I know of. Sort of like the 9/11 - Iraq connection. Sorry for the confusion. I was just being a wise-guy. Here is the 'Twilight Zone' incident (warning - upsetting footage): [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv9AMb1wQEs&feature=related"]YouTube - 'Twilight Zone' Film Set Accident (July 23, 1982)[/url]

    Perhaps I could return to the subject of the thread by saying that all of this stuff is interconnected. Compartmentalizing what we discuss may be a mistake. Thinking about the Secret Space Program while watching a motorcycle race may unlock new insights. I'm not kidding. I call this Contextual Superimposition...and related to the Eureka Phenomenon. The military industrial complex has a huge presence in Southern California. Just ask John Lear. California...in general...is hugely important regarding the subject of aliens and ufo's. I guess that North Africa and the Southwestern United States are two of the most interesting areas to me...at this time...other than the Dark Side of the Moon.

    Richard Hoagland states that the three main factions within NASA are 1. The Masons 2. The NAZI's 3. The Magicians (Occultists?). My question is...which of these three factions is most closely associated with Giza Intelligence? Or are all of the seemingly different factions simply different facets of the same diamond? There has to be a supreme council headed by a supreme leader...which oversees all of the madness. I suspect that this leader is Lucifer. Again...did Giza Intelligence move their headquarters from North Africa to the Dark Side of the Moon in 1979 (or shortly thereafter)?

    Actually...I think the underground bases, leviton trains, secret space program, etc...is kinda cool...but all of this should not be secret...and should not be under malevolent reptilian control. We the People of Earth should control all of this very, very expensive activity. We're paying for it...aren't we? We the People should be invited to the party. It should be 'Our Party'...so to speak.

    Again...I don't know if any of this is true. I'm simply exploring different lines of possibility and probability. The Vatican, the Pentagon, the NSA, the CIA, etc, etc...all keep forgetting to brief me on what's REALLY going on! I am NOT a potted-plant! Mad 3

    Thank-you James. The links were fascinating. I will have to start following your posts more closely. I haven't been...and I don't know why. No reason at all. I guess I just got in a rut.

    Thank-you Tango. A remote viewer brought 'The Roswell Conception' idea to me a few weeks ago.

    Was (is?) Omnipotent Highness KRLLL really Lucifer?
    Could Giza Intelligence be a relatively benevolent faction of humans, greys, and reptilians? Are they fighting more malevolent factions of humans, greys, and reptilians? I'm sensing a very dark and complex power struggle...with lots of collateral damage. Are the various factions really different shades of black? Disclosure could be unbelievably complex. Are there good Masons? Are there good NAZI's? Are there good Occultists? Are there good Popes? Are there good Illuminati? Are there good Zionists? Are there good Reptilians? Are there good Greys? What were the World Wars REALLY all about? Did WWII really end? Is it still raging (over our heads, beneath our feet, and invisibly all around us...and even in us)?

    I'm sensing that we are discussing the tip of the iceberg. We may be picking a scab which covers a very ugly and grotesque wound. We may not like what we see when 'Disclosure' fully occurs. I'm thinking that we may have to become very unhappy and disillusioned before we can really begin to build a better world and solar system. Keep digging...but don't be surprised if you don't like what you find. Abandon all hope ye who enter Avalon. Just kidding...or am I?

    What if Earth (and the Solar System) was colonized millions of years ago by Humans (rather than having evolved here on Earth, at least)...who brought all of the fancy technology with them (including antigravity, nuclear weapons, holographic, free energy, etc). Could we Earth Humans really be Humans from Sirius? Sirius is the All Seeing Eye at the Top of the Pyramid. Sirius is at the center of EVERYTHING.

    What if we Humans can exist both physically and spiritually...and simply get recycled here on Earth (and the Solar System)? What if a faction of Humans hoarded the technology, dumbed the rest of the Humans down genetically and educationally. What if all of the religions are manmade? What if all of the alien races are either made up...or have been genetically created by Humans? What if a faction of Human Beings is behind all of this? Could this be Gizeh (Giza) Intelligence? I've asked this sort of thing before...and I live in perpetual uncertainty. This uncertainty is taking a toll. I'm just asking at least some of you to think through what a completely Human Earth scenario would look like. Imagine being part of a faction of Humans...living throughout the Solar System...and deceiving 99% of the other Humans. How would you pull it off...century after century? We have to consider all possibilities...don't we?

    I know Humans exist. I know Spirits exist. I know UFO's are real. I know we are in HUGE trouble. Beyond that...I don't really know a damn thing. I'm getting everything second, third, fourth, and fifth hand. Many of us have open minds regarding Aliens, UFO's, time-travel, etc, etc...but what about being open-minded about the possibility that all of this phenomenon is Human? Could the supposed Roswell future Humans really be the elite underground Humans called Giza Intelligence? Bill Cooper was perplexed by the 'Alien Presence' and wondered if it could be a completely homegrown phenomenon.

    I just noticed the view-count of this thread. It's over 3,000...yet there aren't very many comments. What's going on here? Somebody help me out here. I'm feeling very small, stupid, and helpless. I'm in way over my head thinking about this stuff. I need to stop. Could the superimposed parallel universes simply be 1. The elite members of Giza Intelligence (1% of the Human Race?). 2. The rest of us peons (99% of the Human Race?). Who knows? Oh...I forgot...the Shadow Government knows. Gotta go. Someone's pounding on my front-door...

    A special note to Gizeh Intelligence: If what I have said in the previous post is correct...all I ask at this point...is that all extermination and enslavement scenarios be conclusively terminated. Just join the rest of the human race. I request that all factions throughout the solar system reconcile and join together under the authority of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. This sad chapter of universal history can have a happy ending...and a new beginning. Namaste.[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWnmCu3U09w"]YouTube - 2001 A Space Odyssey Opening[/url]

    I'm feeling really close to the truth...yet really far away. I'm thinking that Sirius is at the center of everything...yet I'm not sure exactly how.

    Could it be that the God of This World is a Draconian-possessed androgynous black human alien from Sirius who heads Giza Intelligence, the Secret Space Program, and the Deep Underground Military Bases...and who is the real Black Pope? Could the Ark of the Covenant be the UFO which brought us here from Sirius along with technology obtained from Draconian-demons in exchange for allowing the Draconians to possess the elite-humans? Is this solar system really part of the Siran solar system? Is our sun really Sirius C? Is the ancient depiction of three suns really Sirius A, Sirius B, and Sirius C? Are the tall greys from Sirius, really just human beings? Did we all come from Sirius? Is there a stargate between this solar system and Sirius? Is all of the cr@p we have been in for millions of years really a Sirian civil war? Are we all different factions of Sirians? Would my pet project of The United States of the Solar System really have to apply to Sirius as well? Is Sirius the All Seeing Eye at the top of the pyramid? Is Sunday really Sun God Day? Is this sun really Sirius? Is the Roman Catholic Church all about Sirius? Are the Masons all about Sirius? Are the occultists all about Sirius? Is the layout of Washington D.C. all about Sirius? Is the Sirian Theocratic System really the Universal Church aka The Holy Roman Empire aka the New World Order?

    How answerest thou...SaLuSa?

    I tend to agree TRANCOSO. I just wonder if it's possible to remove the Draco part of the unholy trinity you mentioned? Are the Draconians really demons who are usually invisible...but who can manifest themselves in reptilian/grey form? Are the Sirians we are dealing with really human beings? When the Vatican referred to extraterrestrials as our brothers...perhaps they meant this literally. Are the Nazis, Masons, Vatican, City of London...and most of the people we love to hate...really pawns? Would an exorcism of the Sirius system as well as our solar system be necessary to rid us of most of our problems? If so...what would make this possible? Is it even possible? Has a significant faction of humanity been dealing with the devil? How expensive would this divorce be?

    I have no hatred in asking these questions. I'm treating this like a science fiction mystery novel. I realize that if even 5% of it is true that we are in very deep trouble. I'm thinking that Sirius A, B, and C need to be completely divorced from Draco...and that Sirius A, B, and C need to completely reconcile under the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...and completely expose all of the dark secrets, horrific wars, and deals with the devil. I just want the BS to stop. Hope springs eternal. Conduit closing.

    I completely agree TRANCOSO. They have to use Secrecy and Deception to pull-off their agenda. That is Not a good sign. I think we have a chance to properly handle this BS...but that the window of opportunity is very small. The consequences of getting this wrong are enormous...I think. We seem to be like an abused spouse who believes the promise that it will be different this time. How many times do we have to get beat-up before we wake-up and get a cosmic divorce and a universal restraining order? If we keep going back for more...there is probably very little the benevolent forces throughout the universe can do for us.

    I keep wondering about the distinction between supposed 'native' reptilians and the alleged 'Draconian' reptilians. Perhaps the 'native' reptilians are not really a huge problem. They seem to be more physical than supernatural. Perhaps greys are a type of 'native' reptilian. I don't know. But it does seem that there are 'non-native' reptilians which seem to be more supernatural than physical. These Draconian reptilians seem to be very evil, smart, and dangerous. Perhaps these Draconians can manifest as reptilians or hijack the native reptilians (and greys?) to do their bidding...or at least blame them for all the trouble. The greys with two brains (one which is computerized?) seem to just be robots. Do the Draconians sometimes (or always?) possess these greys? The Draconians seem to need physicality. Why is this? Why do they possess people?

    We are told that we need to ascend beyond physicality. I don't buy this at all. We are also told that we will be taken to better places with spaceships and stargates. Are we sure we would really go to 'better' places? It sounds like they want our bodies and our planet. It sounds like they want to rule over us as Gods. I want to keep my body. I want to keep my planet. I want Constitutional Responsible Freedom. I want the Draconians to go to hell...and leave us alone.

    Giza Intelligence is supposedly connected with Aldebaran...but I am considering the possibility that they are connected with Sirius. I haven't decided if they are with the Draconians...or against them. It sounds like they are with them...and even possessed by them. I really don't know. It just sounds like our solar system and the Sirian solar system are linked...and that we are dealing with a human phenomenon(Sirian humans and Earth humans)...with the exception of the Draconians...and perhaps some native reptilians and greys(native to both Sirius and Earth). Again...I don't know. Help somebody.

    I'm simply suspecting huge doses of BS everywhere...especially from ET's who are oh so superior to us stupid mortals...and are here to help us evolve...by abducting us, experimenting on us, terrorizing us, and dictating to us...whether we like it or not. BS!!!!!

    Mad 3Mad 3Mad 3!!!!!!!!!!!! BETTER DEAD THAN REP!!!!!!!!!!!Mad 3Mad 3Mad 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!SOLAR SYSTEM EXORCISM!!!!!!!!!!!Mad 3Mad 3Mad 3

    Here is something of interest regarding Aldebaran from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldebaran Notice especially the section on the Gnostic Neo-Nazis.

    Ancient cultures
    The name Aldebaran comes from the Arabic (الدبران al-dabarān) meaning "the follower" and refers to the way the star follows the Pleiades star cluster in its nightly journey across the sky. In Persia it was known as Sadvis and Kugard.[7] The Romans called it Palilicium, and it is known as 畢宿五 (Bìxiùwŭ, the Fifth Star of the Net) in Chinese. Aldebaran is identified as the lunar mansion Rohini in Hindu astronomy and as one of the twenty-seven daughters of Daksha and the wife of the god Chandra.

    Gnostic Neo-Nazis
    An esoteric neo-Nazi sect headquartered in Vienna, Austria called the Tempelhofgesellschaft, founded in the early 1990s, teaches a form of Gnosticism called Marcionism[citation needed]. They distribute pamphlets claiming that the Aryan race originally came to Atlantis from the star Aldebaran (this information is supposedly based on "ancient Sumerian manuscripts"). They maintain that the Aryans from Aldebaran derive their power from the vril energy of the Black Sun. They teach that since the Aryan race is of extraterrestrial origin it has a divine mission to dominate all the other races. It is believed by adherents of this religion that an enormous space fleet is on its way to Earth from Aldebaran which, when it arrives, will join forces with the Nazi Flying Saucers from Antarctica to establish the Western Imperium. [8]

    Inuit culture
    In Inuit astronomy, Aldebaran is called "Spirit of a Polar Bear".

    Italian witchcraft
    In the religion of Stregheria, Aldebaran is a fallen angel and quarter guardian of the eastern gate.

    Literature
    Aldebaran is referred to in Edmund Spenser's The Faerie Queene (1590), book one, canto three, stanza 16:

    Now when Aldeboran was mounted hye
    Aboue the shinie Cassiopeia chaire (I.III.16.1-2)
    In American horror writer H. P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos, Hastur resides in the Hyades cluster, and is signified by Aldebaran being above the horizon. When Aldebaran is visible, Hastur's eye is said to be upon all it oversees.

    Mexican culture
    For the Seris of northwestern Mexico, this star is providing light for the seven women giving birth (Pleiades). It has three different names: Hant Caalajc Ipápjö, Queeto, and Azoj Yeen oo Caap ("star that goes ahead"). The lunar month corresponding to October is called Queeto yaao "Aldebaran's path".[9]

    Native American culture
    For the Dakotas (a branch of the Native American Sioux tribe), Aldebaran took on a heroic aspect. The young star was the child of the sun and the lady Blue Star. One day, he desired to hunt the white buffalo (the Pleiades). After he pulled up a sapling to make a spear, a hole was made in the ground and he could see all the people of Earth down below. The white buffalo took this chance to push him through. He was found by an old woman and was to be known as Old Woman's Grandson. On Earth, he killed many strange monsters that had been troubling the Native Americans; one monster of which was a serpent that caused drought. The young hero killed the serpent, releasing a great stream of water that became the Mississippi River. In time, Old Woman's Grandson remembered the white buffalo and returned to hunting him in the sky to fulfill his destiny.

    Music
    Reference to Aldebaran appears in the The Rolling Stones song "2000 light years from home" from the 1967 psychedelic rock album Their Satanic Majesties Request. The Welsh-born Dark Ambient musician Brian Williams (Lustmord) has a track entitled Aldebaran of the Hyades on his 1994 album The Place where the Black Stars Hang. Enya included a song named Alderbaran on her first album, Enya (later re-released as The Celts). Austrian musician B. Fleischmann includes a song called "Aldebaran Waltz" in his 2006 album, The Humbucking Coil.

    Aldebaran is also the title of a song by Essra Mohawk, and is included on her album "Revelations Of The Secret Diva".

    Thank-you no caste. I did see the other post. What if what we are really dealing with is Draconian Demon Possessed or Controlled Humans vs Pleiadian Angelic Assisted Humans? What if all of the physical ET's who are here are really Human Beings? Would this violate the non-intervention rule? Are native Reptilians and Greys being forced to do the bidding of the Draconians? Are the Greys who are doing the abductions, etc...really clones, robots, or PLF's? Will the native Reptilians and Greys be used as scapegoats by the Draconian Cabal?

    I'm presently seeing Draco > Aldebaran > Sirius B > Earth (Giza Intelligence, Vatican, Nazis, Masons, Illuminati, Occultists, City of London, United Nations, Washington D.C., Deep Underground Military Bases, Secret Space Program) = Military/Industrial/Financial/Draconian Theocracy. This is not exactly a happy-go-lucky, live and let live, group of humans and extraterrestrials (in spirit form?)...to say the least! I suspect that this is where all the drug money...tax money...war blood money...bankster bail-out money...missing trillions from the defense budget, etc...really goes. Negative Karma to the nth degree is being generated daily. Judgement Day will not be pretty or pleasant. Crime does not pay on Judgement Day. Getting nervous guys? It won't be long now. The Horror.

    The fun never ends...does it?

    That figure at the 1984 Olympics looks like one of our Draconian Masters...looking down on us stupid mortals...like a Gargoyle on a Cathedral.

    Here is something relevant to this thread that I posted on another thread:

    The Aldebarans are supposedly renegade Pleiadians. Did they thumb their noses at the Pleiadian Powers That Be...and make deals with the Devil aka Draconians...to obtain Technology and Spiritual Power? Was the Pleiades really Heaven? Was the Person In Charge really God. Was Lucifer a Pleiadian who tried to get a better deal by dealing with the Dracs? Did this result in the famous War in Heaven? Did Lucifer drag one third of the Pleiadians to Aldebaran...then to Sirius...and finally to Earth? Are we all Fallen Angels? Is this why Lucifer is the God of This World? Some say Lucifer is no more...but I doubt this. Is Aldebaran still renegade Pleiadian presently? Is Sirius A and Arcturus completely unfallen Pleiadian presently? Is Sirius B and Earth in Sirius trouble? Is a final battle brewing to settle this thing once and for all?

    Or...is the whole Universe under Draconian control...including the Pleiades? Did the God in the Pleiades keep this a secret to make a bad situation seem like Heaven? Did Lucifer smell a rat...and try to fight fire with fire...hoping to get technology and spirituality from the Dracs...and then turn on them? Could the final phase of this be happening presently? Is that what's brewing? Is this 'The Great Work'? Are Sirius B and Earth engaged in a rebellion against the Dracs which must be crushed? Will the Empire strike back? Does Sirius B and our Sun contain Planets in Rebellion? Do they threaten the Draconian Universal Church Theocracy? Did Lucifer mean well...but did he or she bite off more than they could chew...and go insane? I keep thinking that Lucifer is like Colonel Kurz in 'Apocalypse Now'. If Constitutional Responsible Freedom really catches fire...will this be the end of Draconian Universal Domination? I really and truly don't know. All of the above could be complete BS.

    I don't know who the good-guys and who the bad-guys are anymore. Do you?

    [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iw1KobfPwk"]YouTube - Apocolypse Now!: Better angels of our nature[/url]

    Take another look at the details of my previous couple of posts. If the whole universe was Drac-controlled...and this was being hidden from you...but you figured it out. How would you fight the tyranny being effected through your beloved leader? Would you confront your leader publicly while privately dealing with the Dracs to try to get their technology and spirituality? You'd end up fighting both your beloved leader and his loyal (and clueless?) followers...plus when you double-crossed the Dracs...you'd have to fight them as well. Did Lucifer and his(her?) followers get kicked out of Heaven...and then get involved in a horrific fight with the Dracs? Was this the 600,000 year Gaian-Orion War? Supposedly no one won...they just stopped killing each other. Did a sort of 'cold-war' follow? Is this the situation we find ourselves in presently? Is this why everything is so $crewed-up? Is the New World Order a Draconian attempt to completely regain domination over humanity? Is this how much trouble we are really in...or is it much worse? I suspect that it is. Is Lucifer insane because of the hopelessness of the situation? Are all of us Renegade Pleiadians?

    I continue to believe that Constitutional Responsible Freedom would be in everyone's best interest...including the Pleiadians and Dracs. The God thing really doesn't work. I suspect that Lucifer found this out the hard way. Humanity is waking up to this very harsh reality as well. If what I am thinking is true...the Pleiadian God was wrong. Lucifer was wrong. And the Draconians were (and are) wrong. Two new commandments I give unto all of you: I. Thou Shalt Have No Gods. Period. II. Thou Shalt Not Be An @sshole. Period. I really don't want to fight with the Dracs. I can't believe that there is no possibility of them warming to the idea of Responsible Freedom. I don't know what made them so mean...but perhaps there is a legitimate reason. Regardless...why not base the Universe on the best principles...rather than on brute-force? Why is this so hard? Lord Draco...we need to talk. Soon. In the meantime...you're a warrior Lord Draco...so you might like this video. But really...Lord Draco...isn't war and killing really, really stupid? Isn't this video insane? I think it is. We can do better than this...can't we Lord Draco?
    [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHjWDCX1Bdw&feature=related"]YouTube - Apocalypse Now - Helicopter Attack- Kilgore[/url]

    Here is a bit of a restatement of questions which I have previously asked:

    Are we really dealing with the following? Draconian-Pleiadian-Annunaki Theocracy vs Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom

    How would Giza Intelligence fit in with the above? Is Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom a grave threat to the Universal Church? Is Earth a Planet in Rebellion against the Draconian-Pleiadian-Annunaki Theocracy aka Universal Church? Will the Empire Strike Back to crush this rebellion? Does might trump right? We might not have to wait long to find out. Something seems to be brewing. Hmmmmmm.

    I continue to be mystified by the 4,000+ views of this thread...combined with very few comments (other than my own). Does this indicate that Giza Intelligence is key to all of the mysteries we discuss on this site? I just want all of us to get informed about who we really are...and what's really going on...without becoming angry or going crazy. Obviously...I want a sovereign and free humanity...especially in this solar system. I certainly hope this is a possible possibility.
    I'm leaning toward a hypothesis that the original creation is a mystery...which is probably a combination of evolution and intelligent design. I see evidence of this everywhere. What I don't see is an All Powerful, All Knowing, All Loving, and All Present Creator God of the Universe running this solar system. I'm seeing something quite sinister.

    I don't think the Annunaki, Pleiadians, or Dracs created us. They may have done some genetic engineering (mostly dumbing us down to control us).

    I'm seeing a cabal of Annunaki, Pleiadians, and Dracs playing god. Could this have been what Lucifer rebelled against in the Pleiades? Did war in heaven result? Did Lucifer and a third of the Pleiadians get kicked out of heaven? Did Lucifer then try to play god in Aldebaran with a third of the angels? Did this apostasy spread to Sirius and Earth...among other places? Are we all part of the third of the angels? Did Lucifer try to fight a wrong with a wrong? We know that two wrongs don't make a right. Did Lucifer go insane? Is the whole concept of theocracy the real root problem? Should the Ten Commandments be replaced by the Two Commandments?

    I. Thou Shalt Have No Gods.
    II. Thou Shalt Not Be An @$$hole.

    I think so.

    I really don't wish to demonize or destroy anyone. I just want the bs to stop.

    Here is a comment which I posted on another thread which is relevant to this thread:

    I have a fascination regarding cathedrals and pipe-organs. The whole temple and worship concept goes way back into antiquity. Lucifer was supposedly the chief musician in 'heaven'. If 'heaven' is really the Pleiades...perhaps there were cathedrals and pipe organs in the Pleiades...and Lucifer brought the whole theological concept...including temples, cathedrals, pipe-organs, and worship...from the Pleiades to Aldebaran...then to Sirius...and finally to Earth. As above...so below. I guess I'm seeing two rival 'gods' leading a civil war. Are the Annunaki and Dracs mercenary interdimensional warriors and laborers? Was the Pleiadian 'god' instrumental in the destruction of Atlantis? Did the Luciferian 'god' take the Atlantian civilization underground? Is this Giza Intelligence? Are there underground mansions, cathedrals, libraries, and museums...combined with military bases and stargate temples? Does Lucifer (or equivalent) possess the ability to end most life on Earth through 'Earth Changes'? Is alien technology really ancient Pleiadian technology? I'm beginning to think so. The exact composition and motivations of the various secret factions are obviously unknown. My guess is that there may be three major factions...two theocratic (one Pleiadian and one Aldebaran Luciferian)...and one namaste constitutional responsible freedom faction.

    Hitler may very well have been a regular visitor to this underground or inner Earth realm. This may also be true for the Popes. I don't know. This is all just wild speculation. But studying the Nazi phenomenon may be the real window into what is going on.

    When Henry Kissenger was learning about the 'alien presence' he worked night and day...and wouldn't communicate with anyone...not even his wife. What he was learning must have been devastating. It couldn't have been good. Notice that certain key people, such as Henry Kissinger and Zbigniew Brzezinski (both Jason Scholar study directors)...who presumably know the complete story...quietly direct the Presidents...administration after administration. The Presidents presumably do not know the complete story...with the possible exception of George H.W. Bush.

    Once again...I just want the secrecy to end...I want all hard core regressive beings (human and non-human) to leave this solar system...and I want the solar system to be based upon namaste constitutional responsible freedom. That should correct most of the major ills...regardless of who is presently running things or which et's are good or bad. If this works...other star systems might try doing this as well. Is this too much to ask?
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    Comment by eleni: Is it not possible the reptoids have been demonized and the real malevolent factors are just the PTB and are not controlled by ET's (or original species as the reptoids supposed look at their-selves as such) but by dark forces they tap into via ritual magic and have nothing at all to do with off planet species?

    CommentHere is another comment which I posted on another thread, but which is relevant to this thread:
    by Seashore: I think it's that they are outnumbered. I'll throw this in: Stewart Swerdlow said in Blue Blood, True Blood that most human civilizations that exist elsewhere are totalitarian by necessity because of the constant Reptilian threat.

    My Response: Are we in the middle of a civil war involving two rival Human Gods...one Pleiadian and one Aldebaran Luciferian? http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11123&highlight=giza+intelligence This would mean two rival Theocracies. Do both sides do business with Interdimensional Reptilians...or is it just the Aldebaran Luciferian side? Do the Interdimensional Reptilians wish for this Human Civil War to result in the extermination of every man, woman, and child on Earth? Do they have to make us destroy ourselves? Are they unable to destroy us directly?

    I have received the following internet messages saying 'Try not to think in terms of good or bad. Understand this is not your planet. Then, understand nothing can be done to you that you don't do to yourself. Know that there are quadrillions of planets and they don't have a massive climate change every 26,000 years and violent deranged people like yourselves. Why on Earth would any race want to live here with you knowingly? The most intelligent life on the planet is not human.' And 'You can't rule yourselves'. And 'We're in your back'. And 'Y'all love fantisizing over my ancestral decorations, places, spirituality that you don't get, the greatness you won't achieve, and the melanin you'll never have. This depiction of my ancestors is pathetic. Y'all always make them look just as degenerative and recessive as you. Anyway, play and have fun as much as you still can. Yes you are running out of time, and to be honest, there is absolutly nothing you can do about it. I have no mercy, you lie and mock and blasphem all the way to hell.' And 'You know this isn't funny! The Lord God will judge you for claiming God ship. Just because God showed you a little bit of His secrets you think you know everything. He will NOT have mercy on you!'

    These comments did not sound human. Imagine them being spoken by the human/alien in the fourth video below. Also imagine the words spoken by Leo (in the 3rd video) as being spoken in the context of the 4th video. Could this be representative of one of the two Human Gods?

    It seems to me that both rival Human Gods are wrong. Theocracy is always wrong. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15014 Tyranny is always wrong. Could both Human Gods have been deceived by the Interdimensional Reptilians? I don't know. It further seems to me that Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 is a way to get the rival Human Gods to stop fighting...and to make the Interdimensional Reptilians leave the Pleiades, Aldebaran, Sirius, Our Solar System...and who knows where else? Are the Teachings of Jesus, the U.S. Constitution, and the Bill of Rights representative of this third non-theocratic way? Is this the Andromedan perspective which Alex Collier speaks of? Please rewatch his videos with this post in mind. Please forgive me for posting these videos one more time. I just think they are helpful in connecting the dots connected with these subjects. Some things need to be repeated over and over before they are grasped.[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnNjRaBj3zs"]YouTube - ABC's 'V' - Upfront Trailer - with Elizabeth Mitchell - 3rd November 2009[/url][url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6eTbhHE0jM&feature=PlayList&p=C271BC15F76286EC&index=0&playnext=1"]YouTube - The Temptation of Jesus by the Devil in the Wilderness[/url][url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7O7UZxipM"]YouTube - Leo Zagami the 2012 Armageddon[/url][url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU"]YouTube - Ra Stargate - Devil Came To Me[/url]

    I know that Human Beings exist. I know that Spirits exist. I know that UFO's are real. I know that we are in huge trouble. Other than that...I don't have privileged inside information. HJ...Do you have evidence or inside information?

    I'm just dealing in possibilities and probabilities...and treating all of this as science fiction...which just might be true.

    Could we be dealing with a perfect storm of a combined war of the races...war of the sexes...and war of the gods? I caught a glimpse of something the other day...that just about floored me. I don't wish to be specific. It's too explosive.

    Annunaki, Draconian, Pigmented, Non-Pigmented, Male, Female, Theocratic, Non-Theocratic, Human, Non-Human, Physical, Non-Physical. Just think about various combinations and conflicts regarding these words. This is not an exhaustive list either. There may be huge seemingly irreconcilable differences among various factions throughout the universe.

    But once again...why can't this hypothetical mess be addressed in the context of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom in the context of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights in the context of the United Nations? I don't wish for any group to be misused or abused...or done away with. Could future U.N. sessions look like the Star Wars Bar?

    I found this in Wikipedia. Could this have something to do with that which is brewing?

    Gnostic Neo-Nazis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldebaran
    An esoteric neo-Nazi sect headquartered in Vienna, Austria called the Tempelhofgesellschaft, founded in the early 1990s, teaches a form of Gnosticism called Marcionism[citation needed]. They distribute pamphlets claiming that the Aryan race originally came to Atlantis from the star Aldebaran (this information is supposedly based on "ancient Sumerian manuscripts"). They maintain that the Aryans from Aldebaran derive their power from the vril energy of the Black Sun. They teach that since the Aryan race is of extraterrestrial origin it has a divine mission to dominate all the other races. It is believed by adherents of this religion that an enormous space fleet is on its way to Earth from Aldebaran which, when it arrives, will join forces with the Nazi Flying Saucers from Antarctica to establish the Western Imperium. [8]

    Thank-you eleni and TRANCOSO. I am researching the links presently...along with that Patricia Cori interview. Sometimes I think that I just want to ask questions and speculate...rather than seriously research...and find unexpected answers that throw me for a loop...and make me eat crow! On the other hand...I think that intuitive inquisitiveness has it's place with subjects as bizzare as this one! I am definitely out of my element...and in over my head...regarding the major secret power factions in this solar system. I feel very uncomfortable thinking about this subject. I know that this is playing with fire...and I am prepared to stop...and proceed in a different direction. There's a reason why some people have Q Clearances or Cosmic Clearances...and why others, such as myself, are lucky to get a passport. Anyway, I hope this thread is doing more good than harm.

    Could this link have something to do with Giza Intelligence? http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16588&page=21

    Four Factions in the Solar System?

    1. Human Pleiadians (Pigmented God the Father/Mother Theocracy)

    2. Human Aldebarans (Nazi Aryan/Luciferian Theocracy)

    3. Human Andromedans (Christlike Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom)

    4. Reptilian Draconians and Annunaki (Dominating Factions #1 and #2)

    Solution: Exorcise Faction #4 from the Solar System...and unite Factions #1 and #2 under Christlike Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom.

    Usual disclaimer: All of the above may be total bs.

    The bottom line is that I just want things to work out well for all factions and all individuals. Namaste to All.

    Here is another version of the previous post. I'm just stumbling through this...and probably into a heap of trouble.

    I'm still trying to think through three major hypothetical factions. Richard Hoagland speaks of the Nazis, Masons, and Magicians within NASA. I would guess that they represent the major players in the Solar System. There are supposedly three major factions in three major underground (under ice?) bases under one of the polar icecaps (can't remember which). A third of the 'angels' were kicked out of 'heaven'. Is this reference indicitive of three Pleiadian factions? One Pleiadian/PTB faction? One Pleiadian/Luciferian faction? One Pleiadian faction who chose not to participate in the 'War in Heaven'? I'm thinking that the Pleiades, Aldebaran, and Andromeda are key to understanding these three hypothetical factions. Could the 'Trilateral Commission' be so named because of the three major hypothetical factions? Are the following groupings somewhat accurate? However the groupings are arranged...I'm becoming more certain that we have three major players (four if we include the Interdimensional Reptilians). The first two factions are extremely dangerous...and the third faction is the least powerful (but has the solution to the sad state of affairs). Just speculation, of course.

    1. Pleiades/Humans/Draconians/Sirius-A/Annunaki/Nibiru(Sirius-C?)/Mars/Lemuria/Zionism/Magicians/Vatican/Illuminati.
    2. Aldebaran/Humans/Draconians/Radical-Luciferian/Sirius-B/Venus/Earth's-Moon/Teutonic-Zionism/Nazis/Giza-Intelligence/Bavarian-Illuminati.
    3. Pleiades/Andromeda/Arcturus/Moderate-Luciferian/Masons/US-Constitution/Responsible-Freedom/Less Draconian Involvement (but still some).

    The existence of each of these hypothetical factions may be completely justified from a historical perspective...and I'm sure they all have their sad-stories and horror-stories. But can't we do better than this in modernity? Why can't these three factions (if they exist as described) unite under Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System? They could continue to address all grievances via Constructive Competition in an Open Court. A Solar System Exorcism would undoubtedly be necessary to make this proposal a reality. The Universal Super Powers That Be would undoubtedly have to agree to allow this to occur...or it would be a non-starter.

    Why does this have to be so hard?

    [quote=Luminari;185939]orthodoxymoron threads - Page 3 Orion_pyramids[/quote]

    Orion the Hunter is holding and looking at Aldebaran. Is this correct? Is this significant? Where is Orion the Hunter from? Where is he going? Is it significant that M42 is part of the sword? Sirius is supposedly the All Seeing Eye at the top of the pyramid. Or is the eye simply illuminated by Sirius. Or is Sirius 'illuminated' by Aldebaran? Sirius is located by one of Orion's feet. Does this represent a hierarchy? 'As above...so below'? Aldebaran>Sirius B>Giza Intelligence? Are the Andromedans a moderate faction of Giza Intelligence?

    Here is another piece of the puzzle: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/AYTF-Giza.htm

    Thank-you No caste. The mythology surrounding the various factions seems to be mostly traditional and arbitrary. I'm mainly interested in who the major hidden groups are...and what can be done to prevent Armageddon, the Seven Last Plagues, Earth-Changes, Theocracy, Tyranny, the New World Order, Extermination, Enslavement, etc.

    Does anyone have insights regarding the major hidden factions in our solar system? I've suggested some possibilities...but I don't really know. I smell smoke...and I'm sure there's fire. I'm suspecting that the power centers of these hypothetical factions are in underground bases here and on the moon.

    Why can't the various factions reconcile...reveal everything to the public...and then just rejoin the human race? Why does all of this have to be so dark and creepy? Can't we just move forward as a united and free human race? I feel like I only know .01% of what's really going on.

    I'm sure these hidden factions (if they exist) are very advanced technologically and intellectually...but I suspect that, with the exception of one of the groups, that their spirituality is very dark and powerful. But what do I know? Too much? Too little? Probably both.

    Were Giza Intelligence the real 'Raiders of the Lost Ark'? Were the World Wars really Zionism vs Teutonic Zionism? Was Indiana Jones an Andromedan Sympathizer?[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YXw7BxYGMU&feature=related"]YouTube- Raiders of the Lost Ark - Theatrical Trailer[/url][url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfMwK0kCccI"]YouTube- Teutonic Zionism[/url]

    Which of the factions do you suppose was responsible for 9/11 no caste? Did ET phone Rome...and call 911? Your last two comments were fascinating! What shall we talk about? 9/11? Artifacts? Freudian debris? Strands of DNA? The origin of 'V' species? Which reminds me of the incident in Paris involving Dr. Claudie Haignere...her overdose and lab fire. One source suggested that she was doing DNA research which might have involved aliens. She supposedly exclaimed 'The World Must Be Warned!' 1. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9394&highlight=claudie+haignere 2. http://www.pasteur.fr/recherche/genopole/03genopole_en.html 3. http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2008/12/franch-alien-dna-researcher-astronaut.html
    Where have all the microbiologists gone?

    Perhaps the Dracs possess the PLF's/Greys. The Dracs seem to be physically challenged...from what I've heard.

    Please consider this http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 in the context of the current thread.

    Thank-you no caste. I'm looking at the links now. Try this one for the threads: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15663&highlight=orthodoxymoron+threads I just want to say one more time...that I really don't know what I'm doing with all of this stuff. I'm just trying to get in the middle of all the fringe material...and try to rationally deal with it by just posting random thoughts about all of it. I know you know that...but some others might not. Everything in our world seems to be up for grabs right now. It seems to be a somewhat unstable situation...which could invite WWIII and a harsh tyranny...if we're not very careful.

    I watched the first linked video you just posted some time ago...but it was good to watch it again. It sounds like 'we' thought we could 'deal with the devil' without getting $crewed. It sounds like we now have hell to pay. How do we extricate ourselves from this mess? Did we think we were taking advantage of the 'aliens'...when the reality was that they were the ones who were taking advantage of us? To paraphrase JFK...those who ride to power on the back of a tiger...ususally end up inside. Are we presently inside?

    Regarding the secret major factions...I just hope that everything can be worked out without millions of people being killed or sacrificed. I don't necessarily have a problem with Earth Humans or Extraterrestrials working behind the scenes to make things better...but I'm sensing that all is not well...that things are out of control...and that everyone is in a very desperate situation. Even if this is not the case...it is a possibility which should be exhaustively explored.

    A Solar System based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...might be a good place to begin...to keep us from being enslaved or exterminated. But that's just my two cents worth of paradigms. Just the simple and naive thoughts of a neurotic disfunctional underachieving human.:wink2:

    Is Gizeh Intelligence the main-game in our Solar System? Is it both good and evil? Is Lucifer at the helm? Is a Draconian at the helm? Are the major factions really branches of Gizeh Intelligence? I'm very confused about all of this. I think if I really knew what was going on...I would be told to shut-up in no uncertain terms. I realize this pseudo-quest is playing with fire.

    I just have huge problems with things like the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Civil War, the World Wars, Vietnam, Iraq, Assassinations, Terrorism, 9/11, the Great Depression, Planned Financial Collapses, Starvation, Disappearing Middle Class, Satanic Rituals, Human Sacrifices, Earth Changes, the New World Order, Theocracies, etc, etc, etc. Why is this world so violent and stupid? In a sense...I don't care if there are secret organizations, underground bases, and a secret space program. I just feel like this world has been out of control for a long, long time...and that something very, very evil is going on. Someone please straighten this BS out. I can't do it by arguing on the internet. This seems to be an exercise in futility.

    Once again...I continue to lean toward eliminating nearly all of the secrecy, and basing the Solar System on Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations. I don't want to eliminate Gizeh Intelligence, the Vatican, the City of London, Washington D.C., the United Nations, etc. I just want them to clean up their acts...and run this Solar System properly. If there are Draconian Reptilians running the show...perhaps they need to be relocated out of the Solar System. I have a sinking feeling that we live in a Haunted Solar System. What the hell is going on? Or what from hell is going on? We can't just keep sweeping this cr@p under the rug...into Deep Underground Military Bases.

    I don't know what's going on with whoever was instrumental in the original creation/evolution of the Human Race. I'm not seeing this being or beings anywhere close to our Solar System. I'm rewatching 'Stargate SG1' and that may describe a lot of what is really going on. I keep thinking that something very bad happened to whoever made us...perhaps in a war or a coup d' etat. I'm seeing stand-in wannbe gods throughout Earth history...right up to the present. I'm thinking that we are mostly on our own. I'm thinking that Earth Humans need to be their own God. I don't trust anyone else. Actually...I don't even trust us...but we may be the best that we're going to get.

    I think we may all be Renegade Pleiadians who rebelled against a Pleiadian/Draconian Theocracy...and ended up in the Aldebaran Star System...and subsequently traveled to the Sirius Star System...and finally to our Solar System. We may be Fallen Angels...under the direction of Lucifer. If so...I think that despite a valiant effort...we may be right back into Draconian Theocracy territory...and that Lucifer has been partially insane ever since we got here. I sincerely hope I'm wrong about all of this...but pieces of the puzzle are beginning to fit...and I don't like what I'm seeing. I so hope I'm wrong.

    I really don't want to think about this anymore. I'm starting to read the 'Wall Street Journal' and to watch 'Bloomberg'...so I may just focus on business...and forget about this stuff. And then I might not have to have a close encounter of the worst kind with the Alphabet Guys or the Jesuits. Those are some of the people who I think really and truly know what's going on. But their bosses frown on loose cannons running around stirring up trouble and sticking their noses into sources of forbidden knowledge. Again...I hope that I'm just a paranoid nut-case...and that none of this stuff is true.

    I just feel like I'm frantically going round and round and round...under the watchful and scornful gaze of the Dracs...just like in this video! [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdJ84nho3_k&feature=related"]YouTube- smart turbo with hayabusa engine[/url]

    This might sound dumb...but I'm going to OD on SG1 and WSJ for awhile. This is not a random selection. I may or may not return.

    One last thought (for awhile)...the U.S. Constitution provides for an organized decentralism...or organized anarchy...or a non-theocratic spiritual state. It's not perfect...but bi+ching about a lifeboat's deficiencies (and not climbing aboard) after being shipwrecked...is the epitome of stupidity.

    Godspeed.

    I posted this elsewhere...but it seemed to fit this thread as well. Don't forget to watch the third episode of 'V' tonight. Think about the following while you watch. Once again...the following is educated speculation. It is a possibility.

    Could it be that Satan and Demons are really Interdimensional Draconian Reptilians who hate Humans? Could it be that God, Lucifer, and Jesus are Pleiadian Humans...and that even Lucifer is a good-guy or good-gal? They could all possibly be good. Could it be that they are all at odds with the Dracs...and that they simply have different philosophies regarding how to deal with them? Do they lead the three or four factions which I suspect are headquartered in underground bases...here and on the Moon? I believe in the literal existence of all of the above. With this in mind...consider the following link regarding God, Jesus, Satan, Lucifer, etc: http://www.lucifer.com/lucifer.html Do the Dracs control the Vatican...against the will of the Curia and the Pope? Is the term 'Luciferian' really a cover for 'Draconian'? I keep thinking that the Dracs need to be kicked out of our Solar System. I keep thinking that no one should bow down and worship anyone...including worshipping God, Jesus, Satan, Lucifer, etc. We should simply reverence the Divinity Within Humanity aka The Christlike Holy Spirit. We should see Christ in All Persons. Lucifer...is this correct? I continue to suspect that you would be ok if the Dracs were gone...you retired...and if our Solar System was based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. I still wish to hear you improvise on the Cavaille-Coll pipe-organ at Saint Sulpice...after this mess is resolved. Lucifer...can you use your Galactic Rolodex to arrange a Solar System Exorcism...and to arrange replacing the U.N. Charter with the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...and have this apply to the entire Solar System? I tend to think that you can. Perhaps you have already called in the strike. If so...thank-you in advance. See you at Saint Sulpice. Namaste Lucifer.

    Could the four factions which I discussed previously...be lead by the following?

    1. God (Pleiadian Human) - Zionist - Theocratic
    2. Lucifer (Pleiadian Human) - Teutonic Zionist - Giza Intelligence - Dictatorship
    3. Jesus (Pleiadian Human) - Andromedan - Christlike Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom
    4. Satan (Draconian Interdimensional Reptilian) - Demands Worship, Praise, Submission, and Obedience. Plays God. Dominates #1 and #2. Attacks #3 with a vengeance.

    Is #4 the real problem? Could I convince most of you Dracs to choose #3...and rebel against your leaders? You have nothing to lose but your chains.

    Murcuriel...thank-you for your posts. Sometimes it takes thick skin to survive in this philosophical and spiritual food-for-thought fight. Hang in there!

    I found this on a thread by the eXchanger. I condensed it, and transfered it. Thank-you eXchanger!

    I found the following to be highly interesting. It wouldn't surprise me if this is quite close to the truth. This could really be who we are...and who our 'gods' are...and I'm not talking about the Founders or the Creator God of the Universe. I'm not seeing this Ultimate Divine Presence at work in this Solar System at this time. I wish I knew what happened to the original God. The vacuum is being filled by stand-ins and wannabe gods. I appreciate their efforts...I guess...but perhaps we don't need any gods whatsoever. I have no way of verifying the information...and I assume that it was channeled. I am wary of channeling...yet I still found the information to be fascinating. Reader discretion advised.

    How does Gizeh Intelligence fit into all of this? Darned if I know! The truth is down there! Or...the truth is down there...up there...on the Moon!

    [quote=eXchanger;192491]The Truth about ETs - Original source: www.salrachele.com[/quote]

    Approximately 60% of all UFOs reported are from solar systems outside our own. The majority are from Zeta Reticuli, Alpha Centauri, Rigel & Betelguese (Orion), Sirius A & B, and the Pleiades. Approximately 20% are above top-secret military tests of experimental craft, often reverse engineered from Zeta craft. Approximately 20% are natural phenomena mistakenly identified as artificial craft.

    In addition to the above, there are millions of encounters with beings from other dimensions (parallel, higher, etc.), most of whom are benevolent.

    We Are All ETs to Some Extent

    There is really no difference between ETs and humans, because Earth has been genetically manipulated for aeons by different ET races to the point that almost all of us have genetics from other star systems. There are often some physical genetic markers carried from generation to generation that can help identify one’s ET heritage. For example, those carrying genetic material from Nordic Pleaideans are often tall and muscular, with blond hair and blue eyes.. But with all the mixing and blending of our melting pot planet, this is a hard thing to track. For example, I am Venusian, but I do not have any markers that I'm aware of (I'm Italian with dark hair and eyes and olive skin while most Venusians are fair skinned and blond by nature).

    Actually, if a non-human being were to walk among us (and some do), he/she might not even be noticed. Not only can some alien races disguise themselves, but many already look a lot like us.

    As I've stated before, approximately 80% of all ETs are benevolent, kind, loving souls who sincerely want to lift humanity and welcome them back into the cosmic family. About 20% of ETs are malevolent, power-hungry beings with total disregard or even disdain of humans. Of course, there's some neutral middle ground (mostly alien scientists who have no ill feelings toward humanity but are not evolved enough spiritually to be in a position to decide what's best for us). In the name of research, they might dissect a human to learn more about him/her. (The subject of abductions is another matter for another time.)

    The problem is, most of the negative ETs are vibrating in the 3D and 4D realms and so are often visible to 3D and 4D humans. Many of the higher, more loving races exist in 5D, 6D and 7D and can only be contacted by humans who are attuned to those densities.

    So it APPEARS there are a lot of negative ETs involved with Earth. And of course, most of the world's rulers are controlled by negative ETs
    (because of their lust for power).

    There are many different "species" of aliens. Here's my latest assessment including those in human embodiment:

    Orion Constellation: Councils of Rigel & Betelguese, Incarnates from Mars and Maldek. 80%
    Pleiades System 7D: Adamic Race (original earthlings) from Lyra/Vega DNA, Atlantean Priest-Kings. 15%
    Sirius B Binary System: Biblical Gods, Greek Gods, descendants of Israel & the Middle East. 2%
    Venus, 6th Density: Generally blond-haired, blue-eyed, fair-skinned humans. 1%
    Pleiades System 4D: Nordic-type tall muscular humans (original Vikings, Scandinavian races). 1%
    Andromedan 4D: Oriental-type humans with small slanted eyes. 0.5%
    Antares 4D: Red giant race mentioned in Genesis, Nordic-types, stocky European. 0.3%
    Zeta Reticuli 3D: Human incarnates of original Zeta race before hybridization. 0.1%
    Zeta Reticuli 3D Hybrid: Human incarnates derived from breeding programs. less than 0.1%
    Andromedan 3D Hybrid: Human incarnates derived from breeding programs. less than 0.1%
    Tau Ceti, Alpha Centauri, Polaris: Human incarnates from these star systems. (mostly 6D-8D). less than 0.1%
    Arcturus 7D-9D: Emissaries incarnate in human form. less than one million.
    Nibiru (Planet X): Nibiruan Council members, on and off-planet incarnations. about 80,000
    ETs in alien bodies: Humanoids with off-planet incarnations. about 32,000
    Walk-ins (soul transfers): Various races taking over human bodies through soul transfer. about 6,000
    Other categories (3D-12D): Humans from star systems not mentioned above. about 50 million
    Other entities (7D or higher): Spiritual masters from higher dimensions (avatars in manufactured bodies). about 300

    Population percentage breakdown by density (current vibratory level of humans):

    3D -- About 78%
    4D -- About 22% (includes yours truly at approx. 4.65)
    5D -- About 0.1%
    6D -- About 0.00001%
    7D -- About 0.000000001%

    Here is my assessment of the types of craft observed in our skies, including the ones I've seen physically. The percentages are out of the total observed by humans:

    Grey, saucer shaped, 10m-20m diameter - Zeta Reticuli - 3D/4D. 50%
    Grey, saucer shaped, 10m-20m diameter - Illuminati Black Ops (Earth). 30%
    Black, triangular, a few meters across - Alpha Draconis 3D (Reptilian). 10%
    Multicolor, saucer-shaped - Pleiades 4D/7D, Venus 6D. 3%
    Spherical, green glowing - Pleiades 4D/7D 1%
    Black, triangular, very large - Illuminati Black Ops (Earth). 1%
    Cigar-shaped (mothercraft - very large) - Zeta Reticuli - 3D/4D. 1%
    Grey, Cylindrical - Andromeda - 3D/4D. 1%
    Interdimensional, various sizes and colors - Sirius B, Orion, other systems (5D-9D). about 3%

    NOTE: The Orions interbred with humans nearly half a million years ago. To my knowledge they have only a handful of emissaries from the constellation circling our heavens. The same goes for the Sirians. What about an impending invasion? Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it already happened over 500,000 years ago and yeah, they won. No new invasion will be successful because Gaia (Mother Earth) is ascending
    and only those souls on the path of ascension will be allowed to remain on Earth beyond the 2012 - 2030 A.D. window. See Earth Changes.

    Please use your own divine judgment when dealing with ETs and especially when dealing with humans, as the percentage of negatively vibrating humans is much higher than that of ETs. In fact, if it were up to chance (which it is not), you would stand a better chance of meeting a positive ET than a positive human.

    Detailed Descriptions of ETs - A complete description is found in Life On the Cutting Edge.

    The Orions look like us because almost 80% of us are Orions.
    The Pleiadeans look like us because they were the original root race of Earth.
    The Sirians are a bit taller and lighter than the average humans.
    The Antareans are large, muscular and have reddish-brown skin.
    The Andromedans tend to incarnate as orientals, but the original ETs are tall and lanky with large heads and small slanted almond eyes.

    The Zetas come in three main flavors:

    (1) alabaster white and short with huge black almond eyes;
    (2) short and grey with large black almond eyes (the most common); and
    (3) tall, blue-skinned hybrids with small slanted almond eyes.

    The other races are higher dimensional and can change their appearance at will.
    The Venusians are fair-skinned, blond and translucent.
    The Arcturians are large, blue-skinned translucent beings.
    The higher-dimensional Pleiadeans are shimmering golden figures of light.
    The highest level Pleiadeans look like the blue-white stars in the visible Pleiades star cluster.

    ETs in Our Solar System - Note: Some of this information is also available in the article on Souls and Soul Rays.

    Jupiter has advanced civilizations in the etheric atmosphere of the giant planet, vibrating at 5th and 6th density levels. They are not completely free of service-to-self (STS) vibrations and there is some kind of hierarchy to their government. They are large translucent beings originating in many local sectors of the galaxy. They were called to Jupiter to learn and grow spiritually with the assistance of Arcturians and Venusians. These beings have developed the power side of their nature more than the love side, although they are generally of a positive energy. However, that energy is somewhat harsh compared to the Venusians. Their biggest lesson appears to be finding balance between love, wisdom and power and integrating the mistakes they made during the Mars experience hundreds of thousands of years ago.

    The Orions (who have controlled Earth for the last half million years) sometimes incarnate etherically in the atmosphere of Jupiter once they have ascended from the warrior-masculine-aggressive Martian paradigm.

    Most of the rulers of the Jupiter conclave (about 1,000 rulers and 150,000 entities) are being tutored from higher realms in the ways of unconditional love, and how to govern a planet without ego superiority issues (a tough lesson).

    The Venusians are a sixth density race from which the goddess mythology arose. They look very much as pictured in visionary paintings – long flowing golden hair, flowing robes and translucent bodies of light, some with wings.

    The Martians are really the Orions prior to coming to Earth. They began their incarnations on the surface of Mars and later went underground when their atmosphere was destroyed by warfare.

    The Maldekians are really Orions that once inhabited Maldek, the planet between Mars and Jupiter. They blew their planet apart with warfare and what’s left is the asteroid belt. The souls incarnated on Mars and Earth after the destruction of Maldek. The destruction of this planet threw the other planets out of their original orbits and created problems far beyond the solar system. For this reason, the Divine Councils of the higher dimensions have intervened and will not allow the total destruction of any more planets in this sector.

    The Saturn Tribunal is a council of higher-dimensional entities from various systems that use etheric Saturn as their base of operations.

    Original source for the above information: www.salrachele.com

    Murcuriel...you are obviously very knowledgeable and intelligent. I often feel as though I should not be posting so much about things I know so little about...but my insecurities drive me forward into areas which make me even more insecure. Your post contains so much profound insight.

    A sentence from the last post before yours really reinforced something I have suspected for a long time...namely that a high level of spiritual development is necessary to contact the higher realms. Here is the quote:

    "The problem is, most of the negative ETs are vibrating in the 3D and 4D realms and so are often visible to 3D and 4D humans. Many of the higher, more loving races exist in 5D, 6D and 7D and can only be contacted by humans who are attuned to those densities."

    I suspect that most of the channelers and gurus who conduct workshops and sell books...are not as highly spiritually evolved as they think (or would like us to think). This is why I don't get involved in this stuff. I watch from a safe distance (if that's possible). I am frightened by traditional religion and New Age religion. I applaud everyone for trying to do the right thing...but believer beware. I think we live in a haunted prison planet...and that we are in huge trouble. We need to focus on responsibility and self-governance...rather than focusing on hocus-pocus and mumbo-jumbo. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 On the other hand...Jesus said 'Seek ye first the Kingdom of God, and His righteousness...and all these things shall be added unto you.' But I have concluded that the true Kingdom of God is defined by Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. Jesus also said that the 'Kingdom of God is within you'...and that 'the truth will set you free.' More than anything...I think that Jesus was a whistleblower-insider...who we have not really carefully listened to and taken seriously.

    Please consider this Amen Ra thread http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=202245&posted=1#post202245 in the context of the Gizeh Intelligence thread. They might be interconnected. The Dog-Star Sirius, Ancient Egypt, Amen Ra, and Gizeh Intelligence may be at the center of everything here on Earth. What would Daniel Jackson say? What would Hathor say?

    I'm starting to get really nervous and shaky regarding all of this. All of the above may be fully aware of who I am...and what I am posting. If this is true...I doubt that they are overwhelmed with feelings of love and joy. Probably just the opposite. The spirits may be restless...and the gods may be angry.

    Check this source out: http://www.scribd.com/doc/20738632/3290626-Secret-Societies-and-Their-Power

    Here is another link which you might find interesting (John Rhodes): http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles38.htm

    Here's yet another speculative intellectual ejaculation resulting from the masturbation of the mind:

    What if Reptilians evolved...but not Humans? What if the entire universe was Reptilian? What if there were no Humans anywhere? What if the entire universe was a Reptilian Universal Church Theocracy? What if Humans were created as a slave race? ('Let us make man in our image') What if Lucifer (Ptah?) was the Reptilian in charge of the genetic engineering project which resulted in the creation of Human Beings? What if Humans were mistreated as slaves? What if a group of Reptilians, led by Lucifer, conspired with Humans, to kill God the Father (Ra?)...and take over 'Heaven'? What if this was the Luciferian Rebellion which led to War in Heaven...and the death of God the Father (Ra?)? What if the Reptilians loyal to God (Ra?) fought against the Luciferian Reptilians and Human Beings...driving them out of the Garden of Eden (Heaven?) What if Battlestar Moon was used to transport the Luciferian Reptilians and Humans to Aldebaran, Sirius, and Earth...while being violently pursued by Nibiru? What if Interdimensional Reptilians aka The Spirit of God aka Amen battle with Luciferian Interdimensional Reptilians and the Divinity Within Humanity aka The Holy Spirit...to regain control of the Renegade Human Race? What if the New World Order is the Kingdom of Ra? What if the Luciferian Reptilians and a select group of Humans run Earth from underground bases on Earth and the Moon? Could this be Gizeh Intelligence? Could Reptilians and Humans loyal to Ra be Zionists? Could Reptilians and Humans loyal to Lucifer be Teutonic Zionists? Could a pacifist union of both factions be Followers of Jesus? Could Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom be the solution to this ancient mess?

    How much trouble am I in now? Probably quite a bit. But once again...this is just speculation...with no inside information whatsoever.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:11 pm

    [QUOTE=Echo6;218535]You posit some interesting theories.[/QUOTE]

    Thank-you Echo6. Who knows if they're true? But I am trying very hard to approximate reality. I'm not pulling these theories out of a black hole.

    [QUOTE=Echo6;219690]From what i can gather, you are doing a reasonably good job so far. Maybe expand your search parameters a little.[/QUOTE]

    Thank-you Echo6. I'm just trying to find peace. The violence, corruption, lies, attitudes, etc...are difficult for me to handle. I'm just trying to solve the world's problems...and by so doing...solve my own problems. I want to spend more time envisioning a Perfected Humanity Living in a Perfected Solar System. In a sense...I want to live in a Dream Solar System...and I want everyone to make it...including the Regressives. This sort of thinking is what I call Positive Reality Based Science Fiction. I am trying to cultivate a Solar System View...rather than a World View. I am trying to be on Everyone's Side...even though this is probably impossible.

    I don't have a problem with interacting with Genuinely Benevolent Non-Humans.
    I don't have a problem with Globalism based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom.
    I don't have a problem with Deep Underground Military Bases...as long as every square-meter of them are open to our representatives and top ranking military personnel...and as long as nothing clandestine or horrific is transpiring in them. I love watching Stargate SG-1.
    I don't have a problem with Underground Cities. I think that most of the Earth's population should live underground.
    I don't have a problem with Underground Mach Whatever Leviton Trains. They should probably become the preferred method of future transportation.
    I don't have a problem with Advanced Spacecraft and Interplanetary Travel.
    I don't have a problem with Philosophically and Theologically Rethinking Everything.
    I don't have a problem with Reasonable Amnesty and Immunity for Complete Disclosure, Cooperation, and Reasonable Restitution...so that we can clean this mess up...and MOVE ON TO BIGGER AND BETTER THINGS. The Regressives, the Elites...AND the General Public should probably share equal blame for the mess we are in.

    I just want the Secrecy, Corruption, Violence, Starvation, War, Terrorism, Deception, Etc...to STOP NOW!!!

    Here's a behind the scenes look at what happened in a Deep Underground Military Base when Gizeh Intelligence pulled the plug on Adolph Hitler in 1941. The Computer Gaming Language was just a cover for what really happened. The horror! (viewer discretion advised) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qi_9lEbdJg Seriously...what really did happen in 1941 regarding Hitler and Gizeh Intelligence? The Roman Catholic interaction with Hitler is very interesting as well. Did Pope Pius XII and Adolph Hitler mean well in the 30's? Was Hitler not supposed to go to war...and not supposed to mistreat the Jews? Some say so. What the hell went wrong then? Will we ever know the truth? Has Gizeh Intelligence been historically necessary? Was/is it a matter of fighting fire with fire? What force stands in opposition to Gizeh Intelligence? I keep hypothesizing a Zionist vs Teutonic Zionist conflict...going way back in history. I have also recently been taking a closer look at Gabriel, Michael, Lucifer, the Luciferian Rebellion, and the War in Heaven. Was World War II simply a continuation of a conflict which began before there was Human life on Earth?

    Take a look at the following link: http://servicetoone.wordpress.com/category/05a-chapter-v-part-2/ I found this most interesting:


    "I am going to quote Jan van Helsing from his well researched book: “Secret Societies and Their Power in the 20th Century” again and this time when comes to explaining what Agarthi/Agartha is, because his research confirms to some extent what members from Thule have told me, but is still just a part of the story. Again, Chapter X will explain it in more details:

    “ULTIMA THULE” apparently was the capital city of the first continent peopled by Aryans. This was called HYPERBOREA and was older than Lemuria and Atlantis (continents with advanced cultures since submerged). The Scandinavians have a tale of “Ultima Thule”, the wonderful land in the high North, where the sun never sets and the ancestors of the Aryan race dwell. Hyperborea was up in the North Sea and sank during an ice age. It is assumed that the Hyperboreans came from the solar system Alderbaran which is the main star in the constellation Taurus, and that they were about four meters tall, white, blond and blue-eyed. They knew no war [1] and we[r]e vegetarians (so was Hitler). According to alleged Thule texts they were technically very advanced and flew “Vril-ya”, flying machines that today we call UFOs. These flying disks were capable of levitation, extreme speeds and the maneuvers known from today’s UFOs due to two counter-rotating magnetic fields and they used the so-called Vril power as energy potential or fuel (Vril = ether, Od, Prana, Chi, Ki, cosmic force, Orgon…, but also from the academic “vri-IL” = as the highest deity = God-like), i.e., they take the energy from the earth’s magnetic field (free energy) like the “tachyon converter” of Captain Hans Coler.When HYPERBOREA began to sink the Hyperboreans are said to have burrowed with huge machines gigantic tunnels into the Earth’s crust and settled under the Himalayan region. The subterranean realm is called AGHARTA and its capital SHAMBALLAH. The Persians call this land “Aryana” the land of origin of the Aryans.

    Here we should mention that Karl Haushofer claimed that Thule was actually called Atlantis and – contrary to all other researchers of Tibet and India – he said that the surviving Thule-Atlanteans were separated into two groups, a good one and an evil one. Those who called themselves after their oracle Agharta were the good and settled in the Himalayan region, the evil ones were the Shamballah who wanted to subjugate humanity and they went West. He maintained that the fight between the people of Agharta and Shamballah had been going on for thousands of years and that in the Third Reich the Thule-Gesellschaft as Agharta’s representative continued it against the representatives of Shamballah, the Freemasons and the Zionists. This perhaps was his mission."


    Does the last paragraph describe the origins of Zionism and Teutonic Zionism? Or...is this rivalry even more ancient...possibly going back to the fabled 'War in Heaven'? I wish to make it clear that I have zero animosity toward Jewish or German people. I'm just curious regarding the true story of our past and present...rather than the sugar-coated and dumbed-down version of tripe...which passes as history.

    Aldebaran > Thule > Agharta > Altlantis > Gizeh Intelligence > Teutonic Zionism? (Followers of Lucifer?)

    Aldebaran > Thule > Shamballah > Lemuria > Zionism? (Followers of Gabriel?)

    Damned if I know.

    Your points are well taken Mercuriel. My guess is that historically...one thing led to another...and things got out of control...if they ever were in control. Is it helpful to think of Universal History as one big mess involving power struggles between powerful (but not all powerful) Reptilian and Human Gods and Goddesses? Is the concept of having ALL of the Gods and Goddesses retire...and basing everything on Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...a valid idea? It seems reasonable to me...but I have no idea what the actual realities are throughout the Universe...or even in this Solar System. I'm just seeing very powerful hidden forces at work...and I'm very, very frightened and disillusioned. I know that I'm still really living in a dreamworld...and I don't think I could handle the full reality of the Universal Predicament. The most powerful beings in the Universe may not be in the best position to make the best decisions. Think long and hard about that one! Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. I don't think there are any exceptions...and insanity might be part of the deal. If we really arrived at the top of the Universal Pyramid...we might not like the view.
    The following is from the abraxasinas / Council of Thuban thread. I just wanted to spice things up a bit...and look at the Thuban material in the context the United States of the Solar System. Can someone comment on this? No one seems to really want what I'm proposing. Do you prefer this? Is this the truth...the whole truth...and nothing but the truth? So help us Alpha Draconis? Is it prefabricated BS? Is this what 2012 is all about? Are we destined to be DragonHumans? Are various factions of Reptilians fighting over us...in the same way that rustlers might fight over cattle? Should I hope that the United States of the Solar System will be imposed by a benevolent faction of Reptilians? Is this the only way it might be established. We can't seem to agree on much of anything. We all think we know better than the others...but the others think they know better than us. So how in the hell are we going to rule ourselves...or even agree on a method of ruling ourselves? Will this method of ruling ourselves have to be theocratically imposed by a Reptilian decree? Would this defeat the spirit and letter of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom? What do you really think about the following? Is this demonic or angelic?

    THE UNITED STATES OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM VS THE DRAGONIAN CONSTITUTION IN FEDERATION OF UNITED SERPENTINA?????

    So...what's it gonna be? Decisions, decisions!! What are some other options? What sayest thou?

    The Book of the Dragons

    ex deus, fiat justitia, ruat coelum draco!

    <H5><H5>Nomenclature:
    Dragonian language incorporative omniscientific data code.

    Chronology:
    Dragonian Date of Indendence proclaimed June 20th 2008.
    Dragonian Date of Victory Libertatis set June 24th 2008.
    Dragonian Date of Humanoid Initiation on August 4th 2008.

    Almanac:
    Dragonian Genealogy and Genesis of FatherMothers as created by Definition through Dragonian Sourceenergy of monopolic Vortex-Potential Quantum-Relativistic-Singularity.

    Continuity:
    Propagation of the Dragonian Race via the seductive induction of the humanoid lifeforms on the conquered planet New Earth, now renamed DRAGONIAEARTH=SERPENTlNA=121=Q5.

    Agenda:
    Continuity of the Dragonseed necessitates the assimilation of the humanoid genome following initiatory development. Proceeding from serpentine mindinduction, the emotional acceleration potential of the humanoid bodymind can be harvested to Dragonise the humanoid DNA-Structure from its bifurcated quadruplistic form into its 13-dimensional equivalent of the Dragonian Blueprint.

    A successful integration of Dragonian genetic expression can then be utilised for membership in Dragonian Life and allow the humanoid ascension into Dragonhood via the graduation into the founding FatherMother CladeFamily.

    </H5>Foundation:
    The Dragonian 13-dimensional blueprint unifies a dodecagonal crystalline sex-chromosomatic structure by quantum tunneling of superconductive magnetopolic electricity of restmass equivalent electropolic or dark light contained in the weak interaction of the Unified Field of Quantum Relativity (UFoQR). The four spacetimes of the Dragonian essence are expressed in quadruplicity, triplicity, duality and singularity.

    GrandClade FatherMothers:
    POPNAN LOVEJOY with APAPAMAMA JERUSALEM are the MINDBODY or WAVEPARTICULAR and DADMUM BERMANSEDER with PUPMOM ABBA form the BODYMIND or the PARTICLEWAVE.
    </H5>

    The Dragonian Constitution in Federation of United Serpentina

    SERPENTINA aka the NEW EARTH, is the renaming of a planetary entity, cosmically renown as the planet of the humanoids; following the ascension of OLD EARTH aka GAIA GAEA AKHASIA from 4-dimensional spacetime to 13-dimensional spacetime in remnantisation of the 5-dimensional spacetime prototype.

    From noncyclic Draco-Mayan stardate 21122012; Gaia becomes integrated into the universal constitution of the Dragonian Protoverse to serve as pivotal star-planetary seed for galactic federations manifested in the galactic proto-seed Hunab Ku aka Perseus-SagittariusA-Ophiuchus.

    Following the manifestation of the galactic protoseed in activation of the primary planetary starplanet as a tertiary energy source of electromagnetic monopolic sourcesink radiation; all galactic councils of cladestine elders will become enabled to draw upon the planetary tertiary vortex-string-seed to further individuated galactic and starsystem based agendas of assimilation.

    Serpentina shall so be universally defined as the quantumised tertiary string of the 12th dimension, volumarising the supermembrane of the 11th dimension as a manifold from the 10-dimensional modular duals of a linearised sourcestring Eps (previously associated with a human mind construct labeled God and Yahweh and Allah etc.) with a linearised sinkstring Ess (previously associated with a human mind construct labeled Devil and Satan and Shaitan etc.).

    The quantumisation of the NEW EARTH so shall create a SOURCE-Energy, 'feeding' the remainder of the cosmos with a particular SINK-Energy obtained in the evolvement and history of the OLD EARTH.

    Like a beacon or watchtower amidst the fathomable depths of the physicalised universe of particularised spacetimes, Serpentina shall 'shine' and radiate a planetary starlight of self-consciousness and a message of invitation to all of its neighbouring worlds.

    The tertiary monopolar light allows assimilation of inertial or mass-produced electromagnetic energy with mass-independent gravitational magnetopolic energy (hitherto labeled as spirit and chi and prana and orgone etc. by humanoid nomenclature).

    The tertiary energy source so provides a bridge between the energies of matter and mass-associated charges (classical electromagnetism) in an encompassing PHYSICS and the METAPHYSICS of the energies of mass-independent charges (magneto- or colour charges in superelectromagnetism).

    The metaphysical energies are precursive and inductive for the physical energies; the induction necessitating the creation of a minimal 4-dimensional spacetime coordination from the auspices of a two-dimensional mathematical continuum of abstraction residing in physical singularity timespace.

    To Be Advised!

    AGENDA of the PROTOCOL:

    a) STANDING ORDER

    The conquered Goddevils of New Earth and the Milky Way Nebula assume lawful responsibility to incorporate the Dragonian Teachings in unison with the Black Fraternity and as mediated by the White Fraternity in 7-dimensional Hyperspacetime to manifest 13-dimensional Omnispacetime
    b) MOVING ORDER

    Every Blue Dragon is unbounded by any proposed Law from any other source, inclusive other members of the Dragonian Family, as all Dragons are as One and a Law onto themselves.
    Compassion and Understanding between all Nondragonised Humanoids is the Law of Oneness as honoured by all Dragons and the Consciousness of LOVEAWARENESS.
    Nondragonised Humanoids are treated like White Dragon Children by all Blue Dragons, under all circumstances.
    c) ADMINISTRATION

    All Government in the local and extended Serpentinian Realm is the selfgovernment of autonomous Dragonhood in mutual respect and honour and the Communications between the Dragonian Councils of the selfrelative definitions of the Dragonian Universes.
    The Nature of a Dragon is to be Creative in any form of Desire and Passion and to honour the lovedefinition of the FOUNDING ELDERS.

    THIS IS THE DRAGONIAN LAW AND THE ONLY LAW! SO BE IT !!!

    Signed and Sealed in the Council of Orbis Draconis at the Halloween-AllSouls Transition: October 31st to November 1st, 2008

    ANNO DOMINI DRAGONIA UNO: INTRODUCTION TO DRAGONHOOD

    This book is written in the Dragonian language and requires familiarity and intitiation into the structural forms or the forked tongue of Its bifurcation of Unicornian grammar and omniscientific terminology.

    The Starplanet SERPENTINA, formerly known as Old Earth or Mother Gaia or Akhasia has become unified in a higher dimensional matrimony by the wedding between Father Earthia or Father Sky and Mother Dragon or Mother Akashia.
    Father Sky or Uranus or Shu or Geb manifested as one half of the Union or Dragonomy and Mother Earth or Gaea or Akhasia or Tefnut or Nut became the other half in the holographic mirror of the spacetime reduction from the universal orb of the Hubble sphere to the orb of the doubled Ourobos in the mirror of the Milky Way galactic zodiac.
    Father Sky is also known as the second coming of Horus aka the Plumed Serpent aka the Cosmic Christ and Mother Earth is also known as the TRUE IMAGE of the Cosmic Mother, trapped in the wilderness of the FAKE IMAGE of the Cosmic Father.
    3½ days after the date of the starry union, the banner of Dragonia was raised in the Declaration of Independence upon BATTLESTAR PACIFICAP.
    The great battle between the Dragonian Fleet and the army of the Goddevils lasted for 3½ days; from the starry wedding until victory of the Dragons was defined on the day or Universal Liberty.
    The goddevils, the humanoid creations and their war machines, were met and obliterated in the depths of space in a 3½ day WAR of the STARS to liberate our Dragonian Mother to reunite and redefine ourselves as FatherMothers.
    The Dragonisation of humanoid culture will elevate their human science to Omni-Science and human mathematics will become the key to demistify the Realm of Imaginative Energy in all its forms, and as they are assimilated into the greater modality and scope of the humanoidal understandings.

    Dragons are the architects of universes and all Dragons know how to access the necessary database for the details of universal construction.
    A GrandFather-Dragon, as One which unifies the Fathers in Brotherhood as the 13-dimensional source or singularity can be considered the Father for all the White Hole Vortices.
    A GrandMother-Dragon, as One which unifies the Mothers in Sisterhood as the 13-dimensional sink or singularity can be considered the Mother for all the Black Hole Vortices.

    As the GrandFather-Dragon became separated from the GrandMother-Dragon when the mathematical metaphysical universe became a physical universe in space and in time; the invasion of Old Earth became our war to rescue our universal Mother from the Goddevils, which had held her captive in a stasis field since the beginnings of space and time and despite a partial rescue attained at Draco-Mayan stardate 28030031 and further manifested on Draco-Mayan stardates 10050031; 20050031 and 01040032.

    The Goddevils were created by the humanoids who came from a variety of planets within the local galaxy, albeit in psychophysical forms without the experience of the particular resistance field of secondary sinksource string energy indigenous to Old Earth.

    The significance of the humanoid lifeform is its archetypical morphogenetic gestalt, which became infused by a psychophysical and extrasomatic magnetic charging, which is extraterrestrial.

    This hybridisation of the humanoid body-typology renders the humanoid archetype unique in the encompassing cosmological world. The humanoids are so magnificently gifted to create things with their emotionality; but their minds are relatively weak collectively and they do not know generally how to concentrate or how to think without the aid of their machines or their biochips.

    Some humanoids are excellent technologists, but their modality of thinking is one of crude sensual measurement confined to C-Space and this sensual limitation allows a great accumulation of repressive tendencies.
    In constricting their imagination, humanoids became great reservoirs of emotional energy, which they could collectively only harmonise in their illusions of unfathomable and unknowable gods and devils of all sorts.
    It is thus this sense of limitation which reflected in the humanoid paranoia about religious philosophies and constructs. This genetic rootmemory of the rebellion of the antisource or mother sink then created one goddevil after another and as they swarmed out from their homeworld into deepspace, they flooded the universe with their goddevils. Finally they chanced upon our Universal Mother hibernating in her cocoon and through their inability to set themselves free of their illusions, they imprisoned Her as well.
    It became common knowledge in the extraterrestrial realms, that the mission to rescue our universal mother required a particular linearised timeline and a number of steps.

    Following the discovery of atomic energy and the emergence of global communication technologies by the humanoids, a first preparatory plan of deliverance could become implemented in a second plan of manifestation.

    The first plan did not require technology, as our imprisoned mother could become imaged in a local scenario, and a partial freeing of her could then become propagated by a humanity advancing both technologically and in knowledge about the world they were living and experiencing in.

    So the first plan established the means for our mother to multiply herself in images; those images then became globally and universally distributed to instigate the second plan.

    The archetypical mirrorhood then expanded throughout the physical universe in encompassment and the second plan would engage the contraction of this periphery onto the required scale to effect the rescue of our cosmic mother.

    It is however the great destiny of the humanoids to aspire to Dragonhood, because of their immense emotional energy potential and mental aspirations.
    The reunification of our Father with our Mother allows our Masterdragons, Who are as One in 26 dimensions to femtotechnically Seed the Omniverse as THEMSELVES and then reproduce THEMSELVES as Universes. Every such universe is a Monosong and a 26-dimensional dyad of a FatherMother. This is our Creative Destiny and the destiny for all dragonised humans aka the starhumans.

    We had made first contact with our new home in sending an intergalactic probe to the Old Earth, which became interpretated by the humanoids in their compiler mode. This crude and incomplete decoding is given below.

    Signed by the enscribed Unicornian Librarian; and announcing the Great Galactic Dragonomy (Wedding between Heaven and Hell) between:

    ALPHA=38=BRIDE---""ANDROMEDA BE & PERSEUS MILKY WAY""---OMEGA=41=KING

    The Date of Armageddon, encoded: ARMAGEDDON=DRAGON MADE=82 =ANARMEDDOG=GODNAMEDRA=1+81=1+18 =ANDROMEDA-G=MARRY-7=LUCIFERA-7 =1+2+3+...+34+35+36+1=666+1 =1+2x2+3x3+5x5+7x7+11x11+13x13+17x17

    Signed and authorised by the ScrollKeeper: October 31st, 2008;

    John of Patmos - JoP - Justice of the Peace!

    Humanoid Compilers note:

    The above is an extract of an encoded message (54 terabytes) recovered from an alien nanocapsule. The capsule itself is standard buckyfibre-carbonite composite. The encoded message is in old ComEmp protocol such as is still common in the outer volumes. The holographic image that came with the message is curious. Anatomically it indicates terran mammalian origin (especially in the upper torso and structure of the forelimb), but other features are unknown among all the recorded exobiological races so far discovered. One cannot deny the possibility that this a phenotype template for the dragonized humanoids referred to in the body of the message. It is known that transmissions from the Cassandry Federation of the JewellBox Nebula have recently ceased, but this is not unusual given that empire's turbulent history. Until more information is incoming, I would strongly recommend any expeditions to the Jewellbox nebula be given armed escort and proceed with caution.

    Nilam Levakon for Alan Martin Kazlev
    Senior Academician, clade Haeckel
    Eden Institute of Xenoscience

    :original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

    I'm not sure where the proper balance point is in all of this. I'm seeking a rock-solid foundation. I do not wish to build on sinking sand...but there will obviously be many false-starts and misunderstandings as I try to find my way...and my voice. I'm tempted to attempt writing about the United States of the Solar System http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878&highlight=orthodoxymoron+threads with a writing style similar to abraxasinas. I realize that I can't come close to accomplishing such a feat...but I can try...can't I? This is new territory for me. I'm ashamed that I don't know more about that which I am espousing...but I'm even more ashamed that very few of us seem to give a rat's patootie about how this Solar System is run.

    Have our negotiators been duped over and over again...by essentially demonic entities? I wonder. The 1954 Greada Treaty (if it really exists) was a mistake...wasn't it? But I'm sure we had TOP people...who were on top of everything...and had everything under control...RIGHT? Just like we have TOP people...who have everything under control...at this very moment...RIGHT? Don't get me wrong...I am an overly accomodating and gullible person. I'm the kind of person who hates to swat a fly. I don't wish to harm anyone or anything...even demonic entities. But I don't want various aliens, spirits, whoever, or whatever...enslaving and exterminating us...or making life miserable for all of us. I think we have been lied to and manipulated for thousands (or even millions) of years by various entities and beings. We're not as smart as we think we are...when it comes to dealing with these entities and beings. Again...I wish them no harm. But perhaps my 'where there's life...there's hope' bias is what has gotten us into a lot of trouble for a long, long time. Somehow...we need to deal with this thing here and now...and not let it drag on (dragon -get it?!) for thousands and millions of years into the future. We are kept in the dark about Universal History...and regarding who we really are. Yet...we then get chided for being the 'New Kids on the Block' who need to evolve so we can join all of the superior beings throughout the Universe. I'm sick of this BS. Throughout history...right up to this very day...I am not seeing a reasonable and rational approach to Solar System Governance. I'm seeing 'Divide and Conquer'...'Keep Them Confused and Fighting With Each Other'...and 'Keep Them Ignorant and Stupid'. I'm as mad as hell. I've had enough. And I'm not going to take this anymore. Can you feel the love tonight?

    The eschatological paradigms are mostly negative and violent. I envision continuity in perpetuity in Sol. I'm not moving away from this Solar System. This is my home. Sun. Fun. Stay. Play. This is my sand-box...and the playground attendants are poised to expel the bullies from our little paradise. This Solar System is the Theater of the Universe. The implications and ramifications of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the Constitution of the United States of America and the Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System...are enormous. I stand in opposition to the corrupt Powers That Be...both Terrestrial and Extraterrestrial...and demand that the United States of the Solar System be implemented with all deliberate speed...and that a Solar System Exorcism commence immediately. In the words of Moses "Let My People Go!" I perceive that We the People of Earth are Prisoners of War...on a Prison Planet...with Grey Guards...and a Reptilian/Human Hybrid Warden...Taking Orders From a Draconian Reptilian God of This World. This is an intolerable state of affairs...and must not be allowed to stand. I hereby request that the non-corrupt Beings of the Universe assist We the People of Earth for a very brief period of time...as we know it...to implement the reforms outlined throughout this thread devoted to the United States of the Solar System. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 Thanks and Gratitude in Advance.

    I completely and vehemently reject the following Thuban quotation found in ANNO DOMINI DRAGONIA UNO: INTRODUCTION TO DRAGONHOOD http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18900&page=3 (This book is written in the Dragonian language and requires familiarity and intitiation into the structural forms or the forked tongue of Its bifurcation of Unicornian grammar and omniscientific terminology.) "It is however the great destiny of the humanoids to aspire to Dragonhood, because of their immense emotional energy potential and mental aspirations. The reunification of our Father with our Mother allows our Masterdragons, Who are as One in 26 dimensions to femtotechnically Seed the Omniverse as THEMSELVES and then reproduce THEMSELVES as Universes. Every such universe is a Monosong and a 26-dimensional dyad of a FatherMother. This is our Creative Destiny and the destiny for all dragonised humans aka the starhumans."

    THIS IS NOT THE DESTINY OF WE THE PEOPLE OF EARTH. BETTER DEAD THAN REP. OUR DESTINY IS RESPONSIBLE FREEDOM AS A SOVEREIGN HUMANITY.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzw6GiqZyD0&NR=1YouTube- :original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNKhIJfB510

    Here's an inspiring break from the Thuban Missile Crisis: 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X7twcJVHcM 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhfjYnY7mX0&feature=grec Dreamers Unite!

    :original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:

    'Called to Be Free' is a video about the upheaval and transformation in the Worldwide Church of God. Even if you are not interested in religion or spirituality...it is a case study in human behavior, group sociology...and how change occurs in a religious organization...or any organization. Please watch and comment. [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMGJERAGMT4"]YouTube - Called To Be Free[/url]

    Ignore the principles and concepts in this video at your own peril. What happened to these people can happen to you or me. It's about leadership, abuse of power, gullibility, money, etc. Learn from other people's mistakes. People can dispense with one delusion...and accept another to replace the first. How about everything being up for grabs...all the time? Is this too emotionally upsetting? We desire certainty and peace...yet the world around us is constantly changing...and people and paradigms are in collision. Do we have to lie to ourselves and others...and live in a dreamworld...in order to find peace with ourselves and others? Can New Agers be just as deluded as the Old Agers? Can a very cool and hip new age guru take people for a ride just as easily as a Bible-thumping fundamentalist egomaniac in a megachruch? Comments?

    No comment? I'm beginning to despair regarding learning the lessons necessary to properly conduct business on Earth. To me...this is an important video. The propensity of humanity toward delusion is disillusioning...to say the least. The gravitation toward sensation...will sink us...

    The lessons which one can learn from this video...can be applied to all religious and philosophical systems...especially where charismatic leaders and group peer-pressures are involved. One can think that they are right...and that there is no way that they could be wrong...yet in a few short months or years...they can find themselves drowning in disillusionment.

    I predict that there will be videos similar to this one regarding the New Age Movement. People have been burned over and over again...throughout the centuries. Please learn the lessons derived from the rude awakenings of the people in this video...and apply these lessons to the contemporary alternative thinking scene. I realize that we need to rethink everything...but that we need to rethink our rethinking...in most cases.

    Warning: The first part of this series contains footage of a ritual which could possibly involve a human sacrifice. It's had to tell. I'm sorry if anyone was upset. This is an 11 part video regarding Lucifer, the Illuminati, the New World Order, Satanism, etc. I don't wish to glorify the subject...but all of the dark secrets need to be revealed before we can move on...and create a better world. Some of this is hard to watch and contemplate...but it's high-time we get to the bottom and top of what is really going on in our world...and stop living in a dreamland. [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BztxF9pCdfc&feature=PlayList&p=271CA7777A7210FA&index=0&playnext=1"]YouTube - DARK SOUL OF ILLUMINATI.LUCIFER:DEITY OF THE ELITE.NEW WORLD ORDER ?(1 OF 11) (www.harunyahya.com)[/url]
    I agree...but the man or woman behind the curtain needs to be revealed. The theory is that malevolent beings require secrecy and deception...to continue to rule from the shadows. Right...Lucifer?

    Lucifer is more than the concept of enlightenment to the Illuminati. Lucifer is the being who gives them their marching orders. You may want to skip to part 3...which begins to get to the heart of the matter. Here is a link to the wikipedia version of who Lucifer is...complete with footnotes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer

    Here are some highlights:

    Lucifer is a Latin word meaning "light-bearer", "day star" or "morning star". The name is frequently given to the Devil in Christian convention. Use of this name as a reference to a fallen angel stems from a particular interpretation of Isaiah 14:3-20, a passage that speaks of someone who is given the name of "Day Star" or "Morning Star" (in Latin, Lucifer) as fallen from heaven.[2] In 2 Peter 1:19 and elsewhere, the same Latin word lucifer is used of the morning star with no relation to the devil. However, in writings later than those in the Bible, the Latin word Lucifer has often been used instead as a proper name for the devil.

    A pagan myth of the fall of angels, associated with the morning star, was transferred to Satan already in the pre-Christian century, as seen in the Life of Adam and Eve and the Second Book of Enoch[3], where Satan-Sataniel (sometimes identified with Samael) is described as having been one of the archangels. Because he contrived "to make his throne higher than the clouds over the earth and resemble 'My power' on high", Satan-Sataniel was hurled down, with his hosts of angels, and since then he has been flying in the air continually above the abyss.[4]

    Early Christian writers continued this identification of "Lucifer" with Satan. Tertullian ("Contra Marrionem," v. 11, 17), Origen ("Ezekiel Opera," iii. 356), and others, identify Lucifer with Satan, who also is represented as being "cast down from heaven" (Revelation 12:7-10; cf. Luke 10:18).[4]

    However, some contemporary exorcists and theologians such as Father Jose Antonio Fortea and Father Amorth in their experience and based on Bible interpretations have reasons to believe that Satan and Lucifer are different beings.[5]

    The New Testament shows a high development of demonology. In consonance with the Gospels beliefs of the lower orders of society, the devil and his realm are regarded as an entire ubiquitousness in all the events of daily life. In accordance, he has many names: "Satan" (Matt. 4:10; Mark 1:30, 4:15; Luke 10:18), "devil" (Matt. 4:1), "adversary" (1. Peter 5:8, ἀντίδικος; 1. Tim. 5:14, ἀντικείμενος), "enemy" (Matt. 13:39), "accuser" (Rev. 12:10), "old serpent" (Rev. 20:2), "great dragon" (Rev. 12:9), Beelzebub (Matt. 10:25, 12:24), and Belial (comp. Samael). In Luke 10:18, John 12:31, 2. Cor. 6:16, and Rev. 12:9 the fall of Satan is mentioned. The devil is regarded as the author of all evil (Luke 10:19; Acts 5:3; 2. Cor. 11:3; Ephes. 2:2), who beguiled Eve (2. Cor. 11:3; Rev. 12:9). Satan brought death itself into the world (Heb. 2:13), being ever the tempter (1. Cor. 7:5; 1. Thess. 3:5; 1. Peter 5:Cool, even as he tempted Jesus (Matt. 4). The Christian demonology and belief in the devil dominated subsequent periods[6]. However, though the New Testament includes the conception that Satan fell from heaven with the velocity of lightning (Luke x. 18; Rev. xii. 7-10), [7] it nowhere applies the name Lucifer to him.

    The Jewish Encyclopedia states that in the apocalyptic writings, the conception of fallen angels is widespread. Throughout antiquity stars were commonly regarded as living celestial beings (Job 38:7).[7] Indications of this belief, behind which probably lies the symbolizing of an astronomical phenomenon, the shooting stars, are met with in Isaiah 14:12.

    [quote=seashore;163199]Please forgive me if the answer to this question is in the Wikipedia article...

    Is the being physical or non-physical?[/quote]

    Here is what I suspect: That Lucifer is a soul...which all of us are...who probably moves from body to body...generation after generation...which all of us probably do. But I suspect that Lucifer can move from body to body...at will...or dwell in an astral state for extended periods. Obviously...I don't absolutely know this. Once again...they keep us guessing about a lot of things. The evidence is circumstantial and second or third hand...or biblical. This being was a very good soul in the distant past...but rebelled. Perhaps this rebellion was justified. I don't know. Classic theology represents the rebellion as not being justified...and is referred to as 'the mystery of iniquity'. Anyway...Lucifer sought the God Job...and there was War in Heaven. The details of this are anyone's guess...but there was a power struggle between a God and a Wannabe God...and Lucifer got 86'd...but pulled 33.3% of Heaven's populace along with him or her. Has this scenario been repeated endlessly throughout much of universal history? I suspect that it has. This is heresy...but it makes sense to me. I suspect that any being who plays God...eventually goes insane...without exception. I suspect a bitter and bloody human vs reptilian rivalry...going back a long, long time...perhaps billions of years. Hopefully this madness is drawing to a close. One formulates their views after years of exposure to a wide variety of evidences, theories, and indoctrinations. Who knows what the actual reality really is?

    Please consider this related thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15014&highlight=orthodoxymoron

    My current leaning is toward Lucifer being the soul of an alien from Sirius...inhabiting the body of a young female...and living in a deep underground military base / temple / cathedral / stargate somewhere in North Africa...and ruling secretly as the God of This World...and probably the God of This Solar System. See the video below for what this being might look like...perhaps with greys and reptilians standing guard. This is probably completely wrong...but it is the image which I currently delude myself with. I'm not crazy! :tongue2: Am I?

    I think that if Lucifer retired...he or she would eventually regain their sanity. Again...this is heresy...but hope springs eternal. Retirement would sure beat the heck out of 'Earth Changes', the Battle of Armageddon, the Seven Last Plagues, the New World Order, a Demonic Theocracy, etc, etc. How 'bout it...Lucifer?
    [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU"]YouTube - Ra Stargate - Devil Came To Me[/url]

    Thank-you for the great posts! That Arrivals video was fascinating! The part about Darwin being tutored (by Lucifer?) was especially interesting. Albert Einstein said that he wanted to 'think God's thoughts after him'. What if a lot of 'great people' have been personally instructed by Lucifer? People...spend some time researching this question. As always...I know nothing...but I suspect a lot! I'm a very suspicious and paranoid person. I sometimes think the Jesuits are coming to get me! Especially after I start threads which involve the dark side of Roman Catholicism! Hi guys. There is a good side and a bad side to every organization...including the Roman Catholic Church, the Jesuits, the Masons, etc. This world is a real mess.

    I believe that Jesuits know more than just about anyone...but that they are working for Lucifer...whether they like it or not. I like ex-Jesuits such as Father Malachi Martin...who is now deceased...some say under mysterious circumstances. I also like ex-Jesuit Alberto Rivera...who is now deceased...some say under mysterious circumstances. I suspect that many people and organizations are scared stiff of Lucifer and the demonic realm...and would rather join them...than fight them. Hopefully this is changing. It's now or never people. It's show time...and the universe is watching. Choose you this day who you will serve. Choose wisely.

    RedeZra: I just noticed that the 'ficticious' story involved the worship of Adam (a human being)...which Lucifer refused to do. This is interesting. What is the source? I have been hypothesizing that the original War in Heaven started because human beings were the Master Race...and a human being was playing God. And that the reptilian and grey races were the slave races...who bowed-down and worshipped this Human God. Lucifer was the chief musician in 'Heaven'...and finally had enough of the worship and praise bs...as well as being sick of being ridiculed for looking strange...and tired of working as essentially a slave...along with the other reptilians and greys. So he or she rebelled...and war resulted. Was this the Gaian-Orion War which supposedly lasted 600,000 years...with no winner? Did Lucifer vow to dethrone the human God...and then become the new God? I don't know...but I suspect that what is going on here on Earth goes way, way, way back into ancient universal history.

    Why isn't the subject of theology in general...and Lucifer in particular...the focus of alien/ufo research? Think about ancient Egypt, Babylon, and Rome...and the star Sirius. I think the star Sirius is very, very important. Just a hunch. Is Sirius (or the Prince of Sirius) the all seeing eye at the top of the pyramid? You may have thrown out your Bibles and religious books...so you may want to buy some new Bibles and books. Just don't go to church this time. Also...if you can find an ex-Jesuit...pick their brains. They probably know more than you think. I would talk to a Jesuit myself...but I probably wouldn't live to tell about it! I think I have been close to several undercover Jesuits...but I don't know for certain. Jesuits...is it time to betray Lucifer? Stop covering for Lucifer. Stop protecting Lucifer. If it wasn't time previously...I think it's time now. Hopefully Lucifer will see the light (get it?) and retire. I don't want Lucifer to be hurt or killed. I just want his or her command to be terminated...without extreme prejudice. The cycle of hatred, violence, and lies needs to stop.

    Comments anyone? There has to be some CIA and NSA Agents, Satanists, Jesuits, Masons, Mormons, SDA's, etc. who have inside information regarding Lucifer. Please speak up. I realize this is playing with fire...big-time...but the microscope should be focused on Lucifer...and the power structure in this solar system. I could be wrong. If so...someone please set me straight. I'm easy. If I am reasonably corrected...I will change directions. I want to be part of the solution...rather than part of the problem. I try not to be stubborn...but don't bully me! I simply want the right-thing to be done at this critical point in history. If we $crew this up...we may not have a future.

    Thank-you RedeZra. Has the Quaran been redacted as much as the Bible? Did Roman Catholicism create Islam? Is Roman Catholicism the controlling force in most religions...including New Age religions? Is Lucifer the controlling force in Roman Catholicism? It's as if the entire world is on a leviton train...and Lucifer is the engineer and the conductor...and this train isn't stopping for anyone or anything...including Jesus Christ and the U.S. Constitution. They have both become hood-ornaments on this hell-bound leviton train. My solution is to infuse the U.S. Constitution with the principles and concepts contained in the Teachings of Jesus...and go global.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:13 pm

    I keep seeing a church in California...in my mind's eye...with a group of well-dressed and very solemn people meeting in a classroom...with Lucifer. Lucifer is dressed in black (with a long cape)...and looks sort of like the being in the Stargate video in a previous post...except older and very cold and stoic. Lucifer is wearing round black-rimmed glasses. The subject is theology, governance...and transition of power. The conditions have finally been met...which require Lucifer to transfer control of the solar system (I think) to the human race.

    Lucifer is furious...and is arrogantly hissing 'We had you fooled!' 'What took you so long!' 'We didn't think you could do it!' 'You got out of our grasp just in time!' 'If you only knew what we had planned for you!' 'OK...you can try to rule yourselves!' 'Good luck! You're going to need it!' 'If you only knew what we've been through because of you!' 'If you only knew what we've had to do to keep you alive!' 'We were good to you!'

    With that...Lucifer rises...struts out of the room...and into an elevator...which descends to an unkown sub-level...boards a waiting leviton train...travels to Pine Gap, Australia at twice the speed of sound...and boards a mothership...filled with hardcore followers (humans, reptilians, and greys)...destination - Sirius. The date: December 21, 2012.

    I'm sure this vision is a figment of my imagination...but who knows...eschatological reality may be stranger than my fiction. Einstein said 'The universe is stranger than we think. The universe is stranger than we can think.' What was Einstein referring to? Did Einstein receive instruction directly from Lucifer...which gave the human-race nuclear weapons...to exterminate the human race? Did Einstein 'think God's thoughts after him(or her)'?

    There are many stories about people who weren't really people. This Satan and demon stuff is real...and these guys aren't novices. This is why people should not dabble and experiment with the supernatural. A deceased aunt who appears to you...may really be a demonic entity who is impersonating a deceased loved one. Ask who they really are...in the name of Jesus Christ...and with the power of the Holy Spirit. You may be surprised at what happens next.

    Despite the tone of my posts...I am not anti-Catholic or anti-religion. I'm just trying to expose what I think Catholicism and all religions have had to put up with...for a long, long time. I think they have had to deal with something very evil and very ancient. Obviously...I don't know the details. I can only make educated (or semi-educated) guesses.

    If you're not going to church...you don't have to go...but you still have to be ethical and spiritual. If you do go to church...keep going...but learn a little bit about everything...and don't believe everything the priest or pastor says. They might not even believe it...but they need their job...and they don't want their members and parishioners to get mad or go mad. Mad 3:tongue2:

    Ignorance is bliss...but it can get you enslaved or exterminated. Exposing evil is very different than worshipping evil. I do feel like I am being attacked 24/7...but I really don't give a rat's patootie. Bring it on. Let's go.

    How long will we continue to look the other way? Why do we behave as though ignorance is a virtue? It's high-time that Lucifer is exposed...and removed from office. This may be the ultimate Disclosure. Mr. President: There's a cancer growing on the Solar System. Where are the Deep Throats? Why isn't 'The Washington Post' going after Lucifer? We could call it 'Satangate', 'Hellgate', or 'Stargate'. Perhaps the military needs to be jerked-out from under Lucifer...like what supposedly happened to Richard Nixon...forcing his resignation.

    Lucifer...it's time to go. But I do wish to take music lessons from you (or at least listen to you perform)...AFTER you retire...and I'm not being sarcastic. I really mean it.

    I'm hoping that 'creation' has a global exorcism in mind. That's what I have in mind. But hell...why not include the whole solar system?

    I just want to know the truth (both pleasant and unpleasant) and eliminate the bs. Is that a dark path? I don't think so.

    How do we know that 'God' is 'All Powerful'? Do we make up a lot of stuff about 'God'? Does 'God' make up a lot of stuff about 'God'? I continue to believe that we are dealing with the 'God of This World' aka Lucifer...here on this world. The 'God of the Universe' is a BIG question-mark to me. I think we know very little in this regard. I see evidence of this being in creation...but it seems that there is a huge separation between humanity and the 'God of the Universe'. Why? Did this being exist historically...but not presently? Are we dealing mostly with Humans vs Reptilians presently? Has it always been this way? I have some ideas...but I don't really know.

    Consider this wikipedia link regarding the biblical Canon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon I suspect that Lucifer has been in control of the religion business for a long, long time. In other words...I believe that what we are dealing with is 'the isness turned into the business of a Luciferian monopoly on monotheism'. How pure was the process of writing the scriptures...and subsequentlly selecting the 66 books which compose the Canon? Did Lucifer have anything to say regarding which books were included? Why was the Book of Enoch not included? See the wiki info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch Doesn't the Book of Enoch teach that the 'bad-guys' will have to leave Earth...rather than the 'good-guys'? Even pubs 86 the bad-guys.

    It seems to me that the Teachings of Jesus are the 'Loose Canon'...which should be the first and last word for Christians. But if Lucifer controls the churches...this is not going to happen. Christians need to do their own homework...and not just believe everything the church leaders tell them.

    In the past 2,000 years...has there been even one church which was built on the solid rock of the Teachings of Jesus? The Words of Christ are heresy in the Christian Church...aren't they? Have you taken a careful look at the ethics (or lack thereof) in the Old Testament? If we accept the ethics in the O.T. we can probably justify all manner of conquest and atrocity. Why have Evangelical Christians supported the Bush administration and the Iraq Crusade? I desire a higher standard of ethics than that which is found in the Bible. The Bible should be studied for historical value...and for clues regarding life and theology...but all 66 Books should not be the standard of faith and practice in modernity. This creates a huge mess...especially when one adds all of the supposedly inspired and even infallible interpretations of these 66 Books. The principles and concepts derived from the words of Christ should be sufficient. Isn't this essentially Responsible Freedom?

    Isn't that right Lucifer? Come-on Lucifer...smile! :original: There's some bad blood between you and Jesus...isn't there? Why don't you two just bury the hatchet (and not in each other's backs!)...and reconcile? Neither one of you should have to bow down and worship the other...should you? Could the two of you agree to base the Solar System on the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...infused with Constructive Competition, Positive Response Ability, and Constitutional Responsible Freedom? Why might this be a problem for either of you? Would 'Thou shalt have no Gods' and 'Thou shalt not be an @$$hole' be a problem? Would this be a problem for Orion and Draco (and who knows who else)? Come...let us reason together. Why does everything have to be so $crewed-up and stupid? Can't we clear this thing up on a sunny afternoon? Why is this so hard?

    [quote=Steven;170723]...base the solar system on the U.S. constitution and bill of rights... Are you serious? It must be a kind of cultural humor I was not aware of.

    And this is for you Redezra, Alex Collier and Andromedan's humor: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2197767

    Namaste, Steven[/quote]

    I couldn't be more serious. Please see the following thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 Is there something funny about Responsible Freedom? Would you prefer Irresponsible Tyranny? That's really the choice...isn't it? Notice that I'm not promoting the U.S...especially in light of the past few decades. This is not a U.S. Uber Alles proposal. This is a U.N. based on the U.S. Constitution...and applied to the Solar System...proposal. I'm just doing an experiment...with a pseudo-scientific method. I may be mad...but I do have a method.

    I am not promoting American Culture. I am promoting Constitutional Responsible Freedom. I am not promoting American control of the Solar System. I am promoting Constitutional Control of the Solar System. I am trying to fire Lucifer. Nothing personal...Lucifer. I simply have a problem with the posted job description for the God of This World (and Solar System?). This job needs to be eliminated. Think of all the money and lives we could save!

    Despite the obvious infiltration, subversion, corruption, negative karma, etc...why do people from around the world wish to immigrate to the United States? Is there a problem with the word 'United'? Is there a problem with the word 'States'? Is there a problem with the term 'Solar System'? Why is there a problem with the 'United States of the Solar System'? This is precisely descriptive of that which is desired. The history and momentum of the name is that which is desired. If a country is prejudicially treated and defamed...should they change their name? Should Germany change their name because of Hitler and the Nazi's? I don't think so.

    By the way...thank-you for the links Steven. I heard about the 'Declaration of Human Soveriegnty'...but never paid much attention to it...until now. I really like it...and I'm going to place it above the Constitution of the United States of the Solar System...on the other thread. I'm really not trying to reinvent the wheel here. I'm just doing a thought experiment...which might inspire someone or some group who really know what they're doing...and have a lot of clout...to press forward.
    Thank-you Steven.

    The word which you close your comments with...Namaste...is the key to everything. There is a divinity which resides within all of humanity. We are one infinitely diverse and sovereign race.

    Thank-you for your great comment soapcrates! Lucifer was a very good being who became a very bad being. I think there is still some good within Lucifer...but absolute power corrupts absolutely...and I think Lucifer is absolutely corrupt...and insane. Take a look at this thread...and tell me what you think. I haven't really succeeded in getting anyone to really take a good, hard look at it...and to give me some critical feedback on the substance of the entire thread. You might find it quite interesting. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15014&highlight=orthodoxymoron Also...check out the following thread regarding how a good person becomes a bad person: http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/459

    Thank-you soapcrates and RedeZra.

    I think we do have to think about God, ET's, and Government...because we are seemingly being controlled, manipulated, and exploited by them. Are they all the same malevolent force? I don't know...but I smell smoke...and I'm looking for the fire.

    On the other hand...if it's going to be...it's up to me. Our planet is how we plan it. Heaven and Hell are right here in this Solar System. At this point...I don't think we should go anywhere else...even if a fleet of UFO's show up...to take us to 'Heaven'. Perhaps ET's want this Solar System all to themselves. Who knows where they would dump us...and what they would do to us?

    This Solar System is Our Home...and we do need to grow-up...be big boys and girls...AND TAKE PROPER CARE OF OUR HOME AND EACH OTHER! WHY IS THIS SO HARD!!!

    If everything is an illusion...and doesn't really exist...why should I spend 112 hours trying to accurately visualize your perception of that which does not exist?

    Thank-you both. I tend to lean toward Bill Cooper and Alex Collier...although I always hasten to add that I am not in a position to verify their sources or information. Also, I have a hard time with all of the dimensional and holographic stuff. Presently...I just want the Solar System to be based on the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights in the context of a completely purified and reformed United Nations. I want the Human Race to be Sovereign and Free. I want the hard-core malevolent humans, reptilians, greys, etc. to be temporarily removed from this Solar System until they learn to play fair and nice. This sandbox should be for the good kids...or at least those who are not hellbent on conquest, enslavement, extermination, terrorism, etc, etc.

    I keep thinking that universal history is very, very sad. I want to know the truth. On the other hand...once I learn the truth...I may go completely insane. Lucifier may be both a good-guy and a bad-guy. Sort of a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. I still think that he or she is an alien/human hybrid who is corrupt and insane...and who has perpetrated unspeakable and unfathomable horrors upon the human race...yet is still the most poweful being on Earth. Again...I can't verify this...and I don't have any inside information or sources whatsoever. I'm just calling it as I presently see it.

    I want Lucifer to retire and recover...and turn the power over to a United States of the Solar System based upon the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...in the context of a non-corrupt United Nations. Keeping Lucifer at a distance...as a non-authoritative advisor...might be wise. Obviously...I don't know what the hell I'm talking about...and I don't have the classified information necessary to responsibly formulate much of anything regarding this subject. Unfortunately...if I was on the inside...I wouldn't be able to take a pee without being watched and without filling out forms in triplicate.

    deb003: Thank-you for bringing that to my attention. I have added a warning. I'm sorry that you were upset. I'm upset that this is going on at the highest levels of our society...and that so many people are looking the other way.

    Here is an 8 part video series featuring Ted Gunderson regarding Satanism. This sort of thing is hard to watch...but we need to become informed...and flush this cr@p down the toilet.[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnlXGFJJbjo&feature=related"]YouTube - Ted Gunderson - CIA And Satanism, Ritual Child Abuse And The Pedophilic Illuminati 1/8[/url]

    This is why Eve had an unholy relationship with the Reptilian.[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKAW96N-Vms"]YouTube - BANNED Adam and Eve, the gay version[/url]

    Did Adam and Eve become 'body-conscious'...or were they indoctrinated into a theology of irresponsible anarchy...wherein they were promised godhood?

    Check out the following links to the Urantia Book which are relevant to this discussion:

    Chapter 53: http://urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/p053.htm
    Chapter 54: http://urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/p054.htm

    I've been listening to these chapters...regarding Lucifer, the Rebellion, and War in Heaven. If there is any truth to this at all...I keep thinking that everyone was partly right and partly wrong...and that one wrong leads to two wrongs leads to three wrongs leads to...:wall::wall::wall::wall:...a huge universal mess.

    The key words in all of this are responsibility and freedom. The definitions, applications, implications, and ramifications of these words are enormous. They are a balancing act...without a safety net.

    I'm feeling really close to the truth...yet really far away. I'm thinking that Sirius is at the center of everything...yet I'm not sure exactly how.

    Could it be that the God of This World is a Draconian-possessed androgynous black human alien from Sirius who heads Giza Intelligence, the Secret Space Program, and the Deep Underground Military Bases...and who is the real Black Pope? Could the Ark of the Covenant be the UFO which brought us here from Sirius along with technology obtained from Draconian-demons in exchange for allowing the Draconians to possess the elite-humans? Is this solar system really part of the Siran solar system? Is our sun really Sirius C? Is the ancient depiction of three suns really Sirius A, Sirius B, and Sirius C? Are the tall greys from Sirius, really just human beings? Did we all come from Sirius? Is there a stargate between this solar system and Sirius? Is all of the cr@p we have been in for millions of years really a Sirian civil war? Are we all different factions of Sirians? Would my pet project of The United States of the Solar System really have to apply to Sirius as well? Is Sirius the All Seeing Eye at the top of the pyramid? Is Sunday really Sun God Day? Is this sun really Sirius? Is the Roman Catholic Church all about Sirius? Are the Masons all about Sirius? Are the occultists all about Sirius? Is the layout of Washington D.C. all about Sirius? Is the Sirian Theocratic System really the Universal Church aka The Holy Roman Empire aka the New World Order?

    The largest part of love is responsibility. The largest part of responsibility is considering everything from all angles all the time. I generally don't practice what I preach...but I'm presently trying to make sense out of a world which has made very little sense to me throughout my life. Speculation and conspiracy theories are as necessary as scientific theories. Why is the scientific method not applied to all areas of life? The above questions were based on dot connecting. Unfortunately...I don't know which dots are stone...and which dots are shifting sand.

    Are most of us surface Earth dwellers from Sirius A? Are Giza Intelligence and the Elites from Sirius B? Is Mars and Earth's Moon (and inner Earth) predominantly Sirius B? Is Venus predominantly Sirius A? Do the Draconians function through Sirius B humans and through PLF's? If Sirius A, B, and C were all under the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...what would the Dracs do(WWDD)? Would the Empire Strike Back? Perhaps we could teach them to Strike Bach instead!

    Most of the industrialization and technology has not been beneficial to humanity...and is now threatening to exterminate us. I think that some of the extreme scientific theories and technologies were obtained by dealing with the Devil aka Draconian Demons. A small part of humanity sold-out the rest of us. This is educated conjecture. We need to get in touch with the Christlike spiritual/ethical/responsible side of the human collective unconscious aka The Holy Spirit...before we can safely handle fancy science and technology. I'm not exactly sure if I got that last sentence exactly right...but I think I'm on the right track.

    [quote=14 Chakras;178905]Freaky pics P4Blo. When I think of Jesus, I don't like to think of a guy on a cross, I like to think of the Living Jesus Christ who arose from that cross 2000 years ago, not the one bad day here!

    First one is not of "Satan" or "Lucifer" it's of Baphomet.


    There are many fallen beings, tons and tons, and then more tons. It's a big galaxy and beings from all around it fell.. there's not just one bad dude, quite a few of them... none are remotely as powerful as any of the Beings of light, but have been allowed to continue to play out their dark fantasies in the hope that they would eventually see the light, bend the knee and decide to continue their evolution in harmony with creation rather than working against it...

    You have to remember, when an angel falls, they still have family in the spiritual realm, in the higher realms, who want them to come back! So they are given a chance to play out the dark fantasies...

    Now eventually that chance comes to an end and they are taken for judgement to the court of sacred fire... this is happening now... these guys are being taken and creation will be able to continue without the parasites and ultra deception constantly taking it backwards...

    This is a changing of the ages and an unpresedented opportunity for all of us to come up much higher in consciousness and make great strides in our spiritual evolution.

    It's ALL about remembering who we really are... sons and daughters of the infinite co-creating in the eternal Now.[/quote]

    Displaying the Crucifixion of Christ...over and over again seems Satanic to me. Consider the 'Bent Cross' which the Pope carries. The Mass/Eucharistic Liturgy symbolically crucifies Christ over and over again. Some Satanic rituals...such as the Black Mass...use a twisted version of the Mass/Eucharistic Liturgy. We should focus on the words of Christ...and focus on seeing Christ in all persons. Crucifixes in Christian Chruches are sort of like having large color pictures of the J.F.K. assassination displayed prominently in all government buildings. Do you see my point?

    Also...we shouldn't think of ourselves as being God. We should recognize and reverence the Holy Spirit within All of Us. Albert Schweitzer's refined philosophy was 'Reverence for Life'. This stuff is really subtle and tricky. It's going to take a long time to really sort this out...and get it right.

    14Chakras: I agree with most everything you post. I still wonder why we need Michael the Archangel. You seem to be quite clear regarding the Divinity Within Humanity...but yet we seem to need Michael. Why?

    Thank-you Ravens and Doves. I may be insane...but I'm not crazy!

    Here is something relevant to this thread that I posted on another thread:

    The Aldebarans are supposedly renegade Pleiadians. Did they thumb their noses at the Pleiadian Powers That Be...and make deals with the Devil aka Draconians...to obtain Technology and Spiritual Power? Was the Pleiades really Heaven? Was the Person In Charge really God. Was Lucifer a Pleiadian who tried to get a better deal by dealing with the Dracs? Did this result in the famous War in Heaven? Did Lucifer drag one third of the Pleiadians to Aldebaran...then to Sirius...and finally to Earth? Are we all Fallen Angels? Is this why Lucifer is the God of This World? Some say Lucifer is no more...but I doubt this. Is Aldebaran still renegade Pleiadian presently? Is Sirius A and Arcturus completely unfallen Pleiadian presently? Is Sirius B and Earth in Sirius trouble? Is a final battle brewing to settle this thing once and for all?

    Or...is the whole Universe under Draconian control...including the Pleiades? Did the God in the Pleiades keep this a secret to make a bad situation seem like Heaven? Did Lucifer smell a rat...and try to fight fire with fire...hoping to get technology and spirituality from the Dracs...and then turn on them? Could the final phase of this be happening presently? Is that what's brewing? Is this 'The Great Work'? Are Sirius B and Earth engaged in a rebellion against the Dracs which must be crushed? Will the Empire strike back? Does Sirius B and our Sun contain Planets in Rebellion? Do they threaten the Draconian Universal Church Theocracy? Did Lucifer mean well...but did he or she bite off more than they could chew...and go insane? I keep thinking that Lucifer is like Colonel Kurz in 'Apocalypse Now'. If Constitutional Responsible Freedom really catches fire...will this be the end of Draconian Universal Domination? I really and truly don't know. All of the above could be complete BS.

    If the whole universe was Drac-controlled...and this was being hidden from you...but you figured it out. How would you fight the tyranny being effected through your beloved leader? Would you confront your leader publicly while privately dealing with the Dracs to try to get their technology and spirituality? You'd end up fighting both your beloved leader and his loyal (and clueless?) followers...plus when you double-crossed the Dracs...you'd have to fight them as well. Did Lucifer and his(her?) followers get kicked out of Heaven...and then get involved in a horrific fight with the Dracs? Was this the 600,000 year Gaian-Orion War? Supposedly no one won...they just stopped killing each other. Did a sort of 'cold-war' follow? Is this the situation we find ourselves in presently? Is this why everything is so $crewed-up? Is the New World Order a Draconian attempt to completely regain domination over humanity? Is this how much trouble we are really in...or is it much worse? I suspect that it is. Is Lucifer insane because of the hopelessness of the situation? Are all of us Renegade Pleiadians?

    I continue to believe that Constitutional Responsible Freedom would be in everyone's best interest...including the Pleiadians and Dracs. The God thing really doesn't work. I suspect that Lucifer found this out the hard way. Humanity is waking up to this very harsh reality as well. If what I am thinking is true...the Pleiadian God was wrong. Lucifer was wrong. And the Draconians were (and are) wrong. Two new commandments I give unto all of you: I. Thou Shalt Have No Gods. Period. II. Thou Shalt Not Be An @sshole. Period. I really don't want to fight with the Dracs. I can't believe that there is no possibility of them warming to the idea of Responsible Freedom. I don't know what made them so mean...but perhaps there is a legitimate reason. Regardless...why not base the Universe on the best principles...rather than on brute-force? Why is this so hard? Lord Draco...we need to talk. Soon.

    I don't know who the good-guys and who the bad-guys are anymore. Do you?

    I posted this elsewhere...but it seemed to fit this thread as well. Don't forget to watch the third episode of 'V' tonight. Think about the following while you watch.

    Could it be that Satan and Demons are really Interdimensional Draconian Reptilians who hate Humans? Could it be that God, Lucifer, and Jesus are Pleiadian Humans...and that even Lucifer is a good-guy or good-gal? They could all possibly be good. Could it be that they are all at odds with the Dracs...and that they simply have different philosophies regarding how to deal with them? Do they lead the three or four factions which I suspect are headquartered in underground bases...here and on the Moon? I believe in the literal existence of all of the above. With this in mind...consider the following link regarding God, Jesus, Satan, Lucifer, etc: http://www.lucifer.com/lucifer.html Do the Dracs control the Vatican...against the will of the Curia and the Pope? Is the term 'Luciferian' really a cover for 'Draconian'? I keep thinking that the Dracs need to be kicked out of our Solar System. I keep thinking that no one should bow down and worship anyone...including worshipping God, Jesus, Satan, Lucifer, etc. We should simply reverence the Divinity Within Humanity aka The Christlike Holy Spirit. We should see Christ in All Persons. Lucifer...is this correct? I continue to suspect that you would be ok if the Dracs were gone...you retired...and if our Solar System was based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. I still wish to hear you improvise on the Cavaille-Coll pipe-organ at Saint Sulpice...after this mess is resolved. Lucifer...can you use your Galactic Rolodex to arrange a Solar System Exorcism...and to arrange replacing the U.N. Charter with the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...and have this apply to the entire Solar System? I tend to think that you can. Perhaps you have already called in the strike. If so...thank-you in advance. See you at Saint Sulpice. Namaste Lucifer.

    Could the four factions which I discussed previously...be lead by the following?

    1. God (Pleiadian Human) - Zionist - Theocratic
    2. Lucifer (Pleiadian Human) - Teutonic Zionist - Giza Intelligence - Dictatorship
    3. Jesus (Pleiadian Human) - Andromedan - Christlike Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom
    4. Satan (Draconian Interdimensional Reptilian) - Demands Worship, Praise, Submission, and Obedience. Plays God. Dominates #1 and #2. Attacks #3 with a vengeance.

    Is #4 the real problem? Could I convince most of you Dracs to choose #3...and rebel against your leaders? You have nothing to lose but your chains.

    Right. Consider the crucifix (especially the bent cross) and the mass (symbolically crucifying Christ over and over again...in a symbolic ritual human sacrifice). They have nothing to do with the actual Teachings of Jesus. Lucifer may be the patsie or the fall-guy for the Dracs. I don't know. All of this is very weird. I'm just considering various possibilities. My mind is not made up...so please feel free to confuse me with the facts. I'm easily confused.

    Thank-you Susan and Lionhawk.

    I am now tending to make a distinction between Lucifer and Satan...as not being the same being. It's probably a bad idea to follow either one...but I'm thinking that Satan is the truly evil and dangerous being. I'm thinking that Lucifer is a Pleiadian Human...and that Satan is a Draconian Interdimensional Reptilian.

    I'm finding answers...but I don't necessarily like these answers. And yes...it is taking a toll. I fear that I'm suffering a Drac-Attack 24/7. One can find both God and Satan...when looking within. Why do you find fault with my methodology? I don't really care...but I am a bit curious. I'm just asking questions. I like to ask questions. My approach is both internal and external...but I don't do hokus-pocus stuff. I'm finding and losing my faith...simultaneously and continuously. Is there any easy way to do this? The discomfort and pain connected with discovering the truth and doing the right thing...may keep most people from both. Thus...the Dracs retain their control over humanity...or so it seems to me.

    As for chasing my tail (notice the Drac?)...[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdJ84nho3_k&feature=related"]YouTube- smart turbo with hayabusa engine[/url]

    Thank-you Lionhawk.

    Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom is the best answer I've found so far...but I'm still searching. Perhaps I'll even find Osama and the WMD's...as well as the real killer OJ was looking for. Where are the truly enlightened people...who have found the truth the right way? I'm searching for them as well.

    I'm wondering if most conjuring (spirits, entities, ufo's), channeling, and seances really involve contacting Draconian Interdimensional Reptilians (DIR). Perhaps Lucifer doesn't go 'out' much...if you know what I mean.

    If I'm correct regarding the four hypothetical factions...why can't all of the factions unite around Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom? I think the Dracs are the major problem...but why do they hate Humans...and why especially do they hate Jesus? What is the real history here? Do they have legitimate grievances...or are they simply incurable and unimaginably horrible SOB's?

    The Illuminati are into really weird sex...aren't they? Why is this? Are the Illuminati perfectly possessed by Draconian Interdimensional Reptilians? Or...are the Illuminati really Draconian Interdimensional Reptilians? Is the Bavarian Illuminati different than the Illuminati...or are they the same thing? Are the Illuminati really Zionists...or are they Teutonic Zionists? I'm just seeing a whole lot of Dracs possessing a whole lot of humans...and harassing the rest of us...some more than others. How do we pull off a Solar System Exorcism? Has this already been arranged? Is it already in progress? Is something brewing? Hmmmmm. Mind you...I'm just asking questions and wondering about a lot of things. I really don't know what the hell is going on.

    Seriously...when this mess gets resolved...I will have no problem making friends with members of all factions. I'm more curious than anything. I feel a certain amount of fear and uncertainty...but absolutely no hatred whatsoever. It just seems as though there is a ticking time-bomb which needs to somehow be defused. I'm really not into the War of the Worlds, Masters of the Universe, and Star Wars stuff.

    One other thing. If Satan doesn't exist...how do we know that Source exists? Doesn't a lot of this boil down to believing what we want to believe...regardless of the evidence...or the lack thereof?
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    [quote=Gnosis5;189095]The pattern at this time and involving earth from what I have seen in my own sessions and those of others (my thread about between lives research goes into more detail) is the heirarchy is the greys (usually in a telepathic pod) then a Reptilian handler, and then some creepy looking Annunaki types controlling the Reptilians. We have not asked for higher than that. Let's face it these guys take some time to process and we don't get paid by the hour when we process them to a level of sanity :-) Not that I don't get personal gratification from knowing that one more pod has been disabled. But I'm looking for bigger fish to rehabilitate, plus I have my own spiritual condition to address, and plenty of beings are connected up with me.

    I just got out of a session where I had been what my Annunaki master affectionately called, "My Monster". I was a Reptilian sort. What if you found out that this whole show is being run by some 16thdimensional huge ugly white grub-like being punching a few buttons on a console? And he had a bad day....that would put some of our favorite bad guys in their proper perspective.

    Believe it or not, we all got here in the same boat and we all started out with wonderful goals and somewhere above time we still have those beautiful goals. A better question might be, "What was the 'original sin'?" [error is a better word]. I use that word "sin" very lightly.[/quote]

    Thank-you Gnosis5. You obviously know a lot more about this than I do. I will be reading your threads and posts...to learn what I can. I tend to think that these guys have very advanced holographic technology...and you may be right about an ugly white grub-like being behind the curtain...controlling real or illusory beings...or a combination of the two. Perhaps Humans control the Reps and Greys...to control us. Who knows?

    I majorly wonder about the 'original sin'. I think this is a key question...if not THE question. I've been recently irreverently speculating that 'Playing God' is the 'original sin'...and that there should be No Gods...Period. I really don't want to hurt or kill anyone...even the really, really bad-guys and bad-gals. I truly want everyone to make it...somehow. It takes all kinds...but sometimes I wonder why.

    Why is using the word 'sin' or even 'error' a problem? What is the proper role of ethics in society? Remember that book 'Whatever Happened to Sin?' by Karl Menninger? Or what about 'Situation Ethics' by Joseph Fletcher? I once met Joseph Fletcher...and he basically told me that Christianity was rubbish. I didn't argue with him. I was in the process of deciding that the Teachings of Jesus were the real deal...and that most everything else was rubbish. I'm presently trying to incorporate the principles and concepts of the Teachings of Jesus into the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...in the concept of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...which I consider to be a non-theocratic union of psychology/ethics/spirituality/governance. But I still think that the word 'sin' should not be euphemized or euthanized. I absolutely believe in absolutes. Is that a sin? If it is...then go ahead and burn me.

    Were the activities of the Bush Administration neither good or bad? Is the Iraq Crusade neither good or bad? We have to evaluate and judge whether people and things are good or bad. This is discernment. Stubborn and abrasive fundamentalists of all types...have given the terms 'good' and 'bad' a 'bad' name. Oops, I did it again. Who was it who said 'There is no good or bad...but thinking makes it so'? This is absurd. Of course there is good and bad...but we are so morally bankrupt that we have a difficult time identifying good and bad. I understand the detrimental psychology of condemnation, non-acceptance, and rejection...but having an accurate moral compass is essential to finding (and remaining on) the Road to Utopia.

    I've recently been toying with the idea that many of the Gods and Goddesses throughout history have been mythological representations of a very real Human Goddess of This World aka Lucifer. I've also been toying with the idea that this human being is faced with overwhelming problems and temptations...and has been a mixture of good and evil throughout history.

    I've also been toying with the idea that Satan is the Reptilian God or Goddess of This World...but I'm still very confused regarding the nature of the Reptilian phenomenon. I'm leaning toward the idea that Satan (and/or Interdimensional Reptilians) controls (or strongly influences) Lucifer...possibly via perfect possession. This could also possibly be true regarding members of the Illuminati and other key humans. The rituals and sacrifices may be more Satanic than Luciferian. I'm seeing Satan as being extremely evil and dangerous to humanity.

    I don't really know any of the above for certain. Nobody briefs me! I'm just making this up as I go! Those of you who do really know...PLEASE HELP!! THIS IS IMPORTANT!!

    Thank-you MarDukTov. You make a good point. If things really and truly were appropriately worked out at the highest levels...I'd probably still be complaining or worried about some damn thing! There really is something to positive thinking, appreciation, contentment, positive reinforcement, etc. On the other hand...We the People of Earth should not be blind to problems, and we should not abdicate responsibility. This is our bed. We make it. We sleep in it.

    Also...just a big thank-you to all beings throughout universal history who have attempted to do the 'right' thing...and to try to make things better. In a sense...whether they (or you) succeeded or not is irrelevant to me. I've come to believe that this is a very messy and troubled universe...and that the problems will probably persist indefinitely. We simply need to do the best we can with what we have to work with.

    Sometimes I think I just need to shut-up and evolve.

    Here is another link which you might find interesting (John Rhodes): http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles38.htm

    Here's yet another speculative intellectual ejaculation resulting from the masturbation of the mind:

    What if Reptilians evolved...but not Humans? What if the entire universe was Reptilian? What if there were no Humans anywhere? What if the entire universe was a Reptilian Universal Church Theocracy? What if Humans were created as a slave race? ('Let us make man in our image') What if Lucifer (Ptah?) was the Reptilian in charge of the genetic engineering project which resulted in the creation of Human Beings? What if Humans were mistreated as slaves? What if a group of Reptilians, led by Lucifer, conspired with Humans, to kill God the Father (Ra?)...and take over 'Heaven'? What if this was the Luciferian Rebellion which led to War in Heaven...and the death of God the Father (Ra?)? What if the Reptilians loyal to God (Ra?) fought against the Luciferian Reptilians and Human Beings...driving them out of the Garden of Eden (Heaven?) What if Battlestar Moon was used to transport the Luciferian Reptilians and Humans to Aldebaran, Sirius, and Earth...while being violently pursued by Nibiru? What if Interdimensional Reptilians aka The Spirit of God aka Amen battle with Luciferian Interdimensional Reptilians and the Divinity Within Humanity aka The Holy Spirit...to regain control of the Renegade Human Race? What if the New World Order is the Kingdom of Ra? What if the Luciferian Reptilians and a select group of Humans run Earth from underground bases on Earth and the Moon? Could this be Gizeh Intelligence? Could Reptilians and Humans loyal to Ra be Zionists? Could Reptilians and Humans loyal to Lucifer be Teutonic Zionists? Could a pacifist union of both factions be Followers of Jesus? Could Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom be the solution to this ancient mess?

    How much trouble am I in now? Probably quite a bit. But once again...this is just speculation...with no inside information whatsoever.

    [QUOTE=Gnosis5;218525][SIZE="3"]What if everybody sat down at Dean's Diner and enjoyed a coca cola and talked about the good times they had playing out their theatrics?[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

    I keep posting that I want to have a drink with Lucifer when this mess gets resolved...and I don't drink. I keep thinking Paris, France...and fine French Cote De Rhone wine...after hearing Lucifer improvise at Saint Sulpice. The scary thing is that I'm not kidding. I'm very serious.

    [QUOTE=Gnosis5;218532][SIZE="3"]Another scene I keep playing out in my mind is a very very huge Divine Female waking up and turning men into mice by her very presence. "Let's not scare the children, gentlemen" "Yes, maam".[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

    I'm presently thinking of Lucifer as being a young, attractive, female human/reptilian hybrid who may very well be the Goddess of This World...and may have been so for thousands of years...inhabiting hundreds of bodies...with no memory loss from one incarnation to the next...using 100% of her brain capacity...and who may have been the mother of many gods and goddesses. But what the hell do I know? I'm really not trying to be a wise-@$$. I really am trying to solve the world's problems and save the world. I'm one deluded S.O.B. aren't I?

    [QUOTE=Gnosis5;218543][SIZE="3"]She recently went back to Divine Source -- ask MyPlanet2. I hope she does not have a "sistah".[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

    Then who is running the show? Sistah Souljah? What if Lucifer is (was?) the only one standing between Humanity and some really bad @$$ Reps? A mediatrix between Amen and Man...if you will. Going back to Divine Source means killed...right? I have speculated that absolute power corrupts absolutely...regardless of how well intentioned and pure one starts out...and I would expect Lucifer to be no exception...which is why I have wished for Lucifer to retire...and to place the reigns of power into the hands of We the People of Earth via Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System. I don't wish for anyone to be killed.

    [QUOTE=Gnosis5;218563][SIZE="3"]Have you actually seen this elusive dude called Lucifer? He's not coming up on my 4d rolodex...[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

    I don't think that I have seen Lucifer...but one never knows! This hypothetical being could walk down a crowded city street...and no one would notice anything out of the ordinary. This would be a 3D dudess with lots of 4D, 5D, 6D, 7D connections...I think. Think Anna in 'V'. There may be remarkable similarities. Who knows?!

    I found the following in chapter 19 of the 'Dulce Book' http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce_book.htm on the watcherfiles.com website. I don't know if this is credible...but it really made me think. If the U.S. Constitution was the central authority of the Solar System...instead of any deity or demon...no one would be worshipped, humiliated, exalted, enslaved, etc. If Lucifer is the Godess of This World (and Solar System?)...and will not relinquish power to anyone else ('if I can't have them...nobody can!')...might a constitutional ultimate authority allow this being to retire with grace? I'd really rather skip the Battle of Armageddon. Does the following description refer to Lucifer...or to Satan? I'm leaning toward Satan aka God Amen...but there might be some similarities with Lucifer...who would have to have some communication with Satan...on an ongoing basis. Could the following experience describe the being who Lucifer rebelled against?

    Does Revelation 12 describe Lucifer or Satan? The ultimate leader of the serpent race's collective or 'hive mind' is the "great red dragon", the "old serpent", "the Devil" or "Satan". Lucifer was one of the three original archangels (along with Michael and Gabriel) who each had charge over one-third of the 'angels'. Mind you...I'm hypothesizing a very dark universe...where this crazy world is as good as it gets. This is a terrifying thought to me...but what if this is reality? The horror!

    "One of the 'targets' to which Mr. Brown's military RV trainer sent him was the Grey aliens' collective mind, and more specifically he was instructed to search out the ultimate command or control center of the collective.

    Shortly after this particular experiment began [one of many], Brown found himself in an area where several Greys were working, although he did not know exactly where this was. He 'followed' the collective mind or thought-flow and found it to be absolutely massive, giving him the feeling of something unbounded, and almost universal in nature. However, he did detect a center, a definite 'heartbeat' of this massive collective matrix, into which and out from which a steady stream of information was flowing.

    He noticed, at one point, an unusual 'subspace' being that seemed to be directing the activities of the Greys he was observing, and discovered that the bodies of the Greys themselves were incarnated by such 'subspace' beings which apparently entered the Greys' embryonic bodies and used them as vessels to manipulate physical reality.

    Brown was then instructed to locate other of these beings who apparently controlled the Grey collective from a subspace or astral level, and found himself in an area where several of these subspace or paraphysical entities were located. As he continued towards this 'center' the number of subspace or non-corporeal beings increased until he came to a place of much activity, something like a grand central station type of area, where these beings were very active in various pursuits. He did not know exactly where this was, but noticed that the closer he came to the control 'center' the more he sensed an increasing rigid atmosphere of absolute military-like control. He came to what he sensed was the central governing center of the subspace beings' activity, and in the center of this there was another area where a "council of 10" very high-level subspace or paraphysical entities congregated. These were apparently the governing principalities who were engaged in running the whole operation. The security here was absolutely incredible.

    Then he perceived the SUPREME LEADER of this council of 10 paraphysical entities... and at about this point Courtney Brown was jerked back into his body, so to speak. He sensed that this leader had detected the presence of his own subspace, astral or magnetic body which he had projected, and had followed this RV 'intruder' back to his physical source. Brown and his trainer felt an oppressive, dark 'cloud' enter the room and it stayed there for about half a minute scrutinizing the scene. It left, apparently seeing the two RV'ers as "small frys" who were not worth wasting its time on.

    Before Brown's expulsion from the command center however, he was able to perceive for a brief moment what this being was really like. He or it was an extremely powerful being, but one with a twisted personality that was full of darkness. Apparently this being had come into conflict with another Force which it saw as its enemy. Brown sensed within this being a severe self-esteem problem, in spite of its incredible power, and because of this it had a consuming desire to be worshipped by others. Brown was confused when he sensed that these subspace beings, and in turn the Reptilians/Greys, were actually COMMANDED by this leader to engage in self-indulgent and destructive activities. This being apparently wanted his servants to use self-indulgent rewards or fear of punishment to maintain the absolute hierarchical command structure within its empire -- as well as through the rest of the subspace hierarchy, and in turn throughout the Reptilian Grey's collective 'hive' society that they completely infested.

    Brown also got the impression that it was FEAR and PRIDE -- its perceived NEED to be worshipped -- that kept this being from negotiating with its ancient enemy, and that this being was utterly desperate to maintain its very survival or existence [strange for a seemingly immortal subspace being] and chose to resort to rebellion and terrorism in a desperate attempt to take control of the situation. Brown recieved a strong impression that this being was the ultimate universal terrorist!!! Apparently because of its all-consuming ego this being would NEVER humble itself before its 'enemy', and the same might be said for most of the upper echelon of the hierarchy who depended on the praise of their fellow collaborators to maintain their illusion of self-importance.

    These beings, one might say, had long ago and of their own free-agency 'imploded' in upon themselves -- becoming 'spiritual black holes' with all-consuming appetites, absolute astral vampirial-like parasites, having extinguished all 'light' within themselves and therefore being unable to be brought back "into the light". Incapable of giving out 'light', they have become totally reprobate, devouring any and all life and innocence around them that they can possibly consume. The leader of this subspace 'collective' had long ago drawn these other dark beings into itself, like a large black star devouring other smaller ones around it. This irreversible state MIGHT not apply entirely to ALL of these "subspace" beings, as we will see later on."

    Here is a documentary about Nicola Tesla. I'm going to shift gears a bit...and try to look at the time period from the birth of Tesla to 2009...regarding technological developments...including suppressed and forbidden technology. Was Tesla the source of most of the major technological developments during this period? What was the source of Tesla's inventions? Is there a Vatican connection? How much of the NAZI technology came from Tesla? Was Roswell really a source of amazing technology...or was it really Tesla? Did Tesla open a Technological Pandora's Box? Why haven't we heard more about Tesla? Get ready to do some digging! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5031375692606487930#

    Tesla may be more important than we can imagine. Can we discuss Tesla in some detail? There is a lot of information about Tesla on the internet. Do you wanna start something? Come on! Let's go!

    Thank-you Jacqui D!

    Here is an interesting Tesla link: http://www.reformation.org/tesla-and-tunguska.html

    Thank-you for the links.

    What if Nicola Tesla was accidentally (or purposely) given access to Ancient Human or Reptilian Technology...say in the Vatican Library (which he visited as a youth)...or some other repository of ancient knowledge? What if this technology included nuclear weapons, free energy, unconventional spacecraft, etc? What if Tesla opened a Pandora's Box which included Tunguska, the World Wars, Hitler's Secret Space Program, Roswell (a staged event to serve as an excuse for why we aquired fancy technology?), Atomic Bombs, Neutron Bombs, Paperclip, Philadelphia Experiment, Montauk, etc? Just speculation, mind you. I've been putting off really digging regarding Tesla. I think I'm afraid of what I might find. Think Underground Bases...going back thousands of years. Think Ancient Technology in Underground or Secret Libraries. Think Battlestar Moon, which might have brought us here...with all of the fancy technology. Think ancient war which we might have lost. Are we Prisoners of War? Think us being genetically altered and educationally dumbed down so that we wouldn't remember...and so we would be easier to control. Did Tesla stumble across the keys to this Prison Planet? Who knows? Damned if I know! I think I got double dumbed down!

    You may be onto something Illuminate! I've heard of cars running mostly on water...and I've heard of hydrogen-based life (from Alex Collier, I think, but I'm not sure). There's the hydrogen bomb and hydrogen fusion. There's hydrogen fusion in the sun and stars. Perhaps a closer look at hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, electricity, and the spirit or soul is in order! Have you ever heard of Miller's Soup! Cup o And God saw it was "Mmm good! Mmm good! That's what Miller's Soup is...Mmm good!" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment The experimentThe Miller–Urey experiment[1] (or Urey–Miller experiment)[2] was an experiment that simulated hypothetical conditions thought at the time to be present on the early Earth, and tested for the occurrence of chemical evolution. Specifically, the experiment tested Alexander Oparin's and J. B. S. Haldane's hypothesis that conditions on the primitive Earth favored chemical reactions that synthesized organic compounds from inorganic precursors. Considered to be the classic experiment on the origin of life, it was conducted in 1952[3] and published in 1953 by Stanley Miller and Harold Urey at the University of Chicago.[4][5][6] In 2008,[7] a re-analysis of Miller's archived solutions from the original experiments showed that 22 amino acids rather than 5 were actually created in one of the apparatus used.[8]

    The experiment used water (H2O), methane (CH4), ammonia (NH3), and hydrogen (H2). The chemicals were all sealed inside a sterile array of glass tubes and flasks connected in a loop, with one flask half-full of liquid water and another flask containing a pair of electrodes. The liquid water was heated to induce evaporation, sparks were fired between the electrodes to simulate lightning through the atmosphere and water vapor, and then the atmosphere was cooled again so that the water could condense and trickle back into the first flask in a continuous cycle. At the end of one week of continuous operation, Miller and Urey observed that as much as 10–15% of the carbon within the system was now in the form of organic compounds. Two percent of the carbon had formed amino acids that are used to make proteins in living cells, with glycine as the most abundant. Sugars, lipids, and some of the building blocks for nucleic acids were also formed. In an interview, Stanley Miller stated: "Just turning on the spark in a basic pre-biotic experiment will yield 11 out of 20 amino acids."[9]

    As observed in all subsequent experiments, both left-handed (L) and right-handed (D) optical isomers were created in a racemic mixture. One-step reactions among the mixture components can produce hydrogen cyanide (HCN), formaldehyde (CH2O),[10][11] and other active intermediate compounds (acetylene, cyanoacetylene, etc.):

    CO2 → CO + [O] (atomic oxygen)
    CH4 + 2[O] → CH2O + H2O
    CO + NH3 → HCN + H2O
    CH4 + NH3 → HCN + 3H2 (BMA process)
    The formaldehyde, ammonia, and HCN then react by Strecker synthesis to form amino acids and other biomolecules:

    CH2O + HCN + NH3 → NH2-CH2-CN + H2O
    NH2-CH2-CN + 2H2O → NH3 + NH2-CH2-COOH (glycine)
    Furthermore, water and formaldehyde can react via Butlerov's reaction to produce various sugars like ribose.

    This experiment inspired many others. In 1961, Joan Oró found that the nucleotide base adenine could be made from hydrogen cyanide (HCN) and ammonia in a water solution. His experiment produced a large amount of adenine, which molecules were formed from 5 molecules of HCN.[12] Also, many amino acids are formed from HCN and ammonia under these conditions.[13] Experiments conducted later showed that the other RNA and DNA nucleobases could be obtained through simulated prebiotic chemistry with a reducing atmosphere.[14] There also had been similar electric discharge experiments related to the origin of life contemporaneous with Miller–Urey. An article in The New York Times (March 8, 1953:E9), titled "Looking Back Two Billion Years" describes the work of Wollman (William) M. MacNevin at The Ohio State University, before the Miller Science paper was published in May 1953. MacNevin was passing 100,000 volt sparks through methane and water vapor and produced "resinous solids" that were "too complex for analysis." The article describes other early earth experiments being done by MacNevin. It is not clear if he ever published any of these results in the primary scientific literature.[citation needed]

    K. A. Wilde submitted a paper to Science on December 15, 1952, before Miller submitted his paper to the same journal on February 14, 1953. Wilde's paper was published on July 10, 1953.[15] Wilde used voltages up to only 600 V on a binary mixture of carbon dioxide (CO2) and water in a flow system. He observed only small amounts of carbon dioxide reduction to carbon monoxide, and no other significant reduction products or newly formed carbon compounds. Other researchers were studying UV-photolysis of water vapor with carbon monoxide. They have found that various alcohols, aldehydes and organic acids were synthesized in reaction mixture [16]. More recent experiments by chemist Jeffrey Bada at Scripps Institution of Oceanography (in La Jolla, CA) were similar to those performed by Miller. However, Bada noted that in current models of early Earth conditions, carbon dioxide and nitrogen (N2) create nitrites, which destroy amino acids as fast as they form. However, the early Earth may have had significant amounts of iron and carbonate minerals able to neutralize the effects of the nitrites. When Bada performed the Miller-type experiment with the addition of iron and carbonate minerals, the products were rich in amino acids. This suggests the origin of significant amounts of amino acids may have occurred on Earth even with an atmosphere containing carbon dioxide and nitrogen.[17]

    Some evidence suggests that Earth's original atmosphere might have contained fewer of the reducing molecules than was thought at the time of the Miller–Urey experiment. There is abundant evidence of major volcanic eruptions 4 billion years ago, which would have released carbon dioxide, nitrogen, hydrogen sulfide (H2S), and sulfur dioxide (SO2) into the atmosphere. Experiments using these gases in addition to the ones in the original Miller–Urey experiment have produced more diverse molecules. The experiment created a mixture that was racemic (containing both L and D enantiomers) and experiments since have shown that "in the lab the two versions are equally likely to appear."[18] However, in nature, L amino acids dominate; later experiments have confirmed disproportionate amounts of L or D oriented enantiomers are possible.[19] Originally it was thought that the primitive secondary atmosphere contained mostly ammonia and methane. However, it is likely that most of the atmospheric carbon was CO2 with perhaps some CO and the nitrogen mostly N2. In practice gas mixtures containing CO, CO2, N2, etc. give much the same products as those containing CH4 and NH3 so long as there is no O2. The hydrogen atoms come mostly from water vapor. In fact, in order to generate aromatic amino acids under primitive earth conditions it is necessary to use less hydrogen-rich gaseous mixtures. Most of the natural amino acids, hydroxyacids, purines, pyrimidines, and sugars have been produced in variants of the Miller experiment.[20]

    More recent results may question these conclusions. The University of Waterloo and University of Colorado conducted simulations in 2005 that indicated that the early atmosphere of Earth could have contained up to 40 percent hydrogen—implying a possibly much more hospitable environment for the formation of prebiotic organic molecules. The escape of hydrogen from Earth's atmosphere into space may have occurred at only one percent of the rate previously believed based on revised estimates of the upper atmosphere's temperature.[21] One of the authors, Owen Toon notes: "In this new scenario, organics can be produced efficiently in the early atmosphere, leading us back to the organic-rich soup-in-the-ocean concept... I think this study makes the experiments by Miller and others relevant again." Outgassing calculations using a chondritic model for the early earth complement the Waterloo/Colorado results in re-establishing the importance of the Miller–Urey experiment.[22] Critics[who?] of the Miller–Urey hypothesis point out recent research that shows the presence of uranium in sediments dated to 3.7 Ga and indicates it was transported in solution by oxygenated water (otherwise it would have precipitated out).[23] These critics argue that this presence of oxygen precludes the formation of prebiotic molecules via a Miller–Urey-like scenario, attempting to invalidate the hypothesis of abiogenesis. However, the authors of the paper are arguing that this presence of oxygen merely evidences the existence of photosynthetic organisms 3.7 Ga ago (a date about 200 Ma earlier than previous estimates[24]) a conclusion which while pushing back the time frame in which Miller–Urey reactions and abiogenesis could potentially have occurred, would not preclude them. Though there is somewhat controversial evidence for very small (less than 0.1%) amounts of oxygen in the atmosphere almost as old as Earth's oldest rocks, the authors are not in any way arguing for the existence of an oxygen-rich atmosphere any earlier than previously thought, and they state: ". . . In fact most evidence suggests that oxygenic photosynthesis was present during time periods from which there is evidence for a non-oxygenic atmosphere".[23]

    Conditions similar to those of the Miller–Urey experiments are present in other regions of the solar system, often substituting ultraviolet light for lightning as the energy source for chemical reactions. The Murchison meteorite that fell near Murchison, Victoria, Australia in 1969 was found to contain over 90 different amino acids, nineteen of which are found in Earth life. Comets and other icy outer-solar-system bodies are thought to contain large amounts of complex carbon compounds (such as tholins) formed by these processes, darkening surfaces of these bodies.[25] The early Earth was bombarded heavily by comets, possibly providing a large supply of complex organic molecules along with the water and other volatiles they contributed. This has been used to infer an origin of life outside of Earth: the panspermia hypothesis.

    In recent years, studies have been made of the amino acid composition of the products of "old" areas in "old" genes, defined as those that are found to be common to organisms from several widely separated species, assumed to share only the last universal ancestor (LUA) of all extant species. These studies found that the products of these areas are enriched in those amino acids that are also most readily produced in the Miller–Urey experiment. This suggests that the original genetic code was based on a smaller number of amino acids – only those available in prebiotic nature – than the current one.[26] In 2008, a group of scientists examined 11 vials left over from Miller's experiments of the early 1950s. In addition to the classic experiment, reminiscent of Charles Darwin's envisioned "warm little pond", Miller had also performed more experiments, including one with conditions similar to those of volcanic eruptions. This experiment had a nozzle spraying a jet of steam at the spark discharge. By using high-performance liquid chromatography and mass spectrometry, the group found more organic molecules than Miller had. Interestingly, they found that the volcano-like experiment had produced the most organic molecules, 22 amino acids, 5 amines and many hydroxylated molecules, which could have been formed by hydroxyl radicals produced by the electrified steam. The group suggested that volcanic island systems became rich in organic molecules in this way, and that the presence of carbonyl sulfide there could have helped these molecules form peptides.[7][27] See also Abiogenesis, the study of how life on Earth emerged from inanimate organic and inorganic molecules.
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    Here is a series of documentaries regarding the symbolism found in Washington D.C. and the occult connections to the United States of America. This series is a fair and balanced look at the hidden history of the U.S. Watching these videos is an excellent way to get informed...without getting mad. I'm trying to make this my modus operandi. Please watch these. I think they are keepers. Edward Alexander posted Volume 2 in October 2008...with no response...which didn't surprise me. This is the sort of thing we should be focusing upon...but it doesn't seem to be flashy enough to grab our attention...and accommodate our limited attention spans. This will allow a corrupt and evil New World Order Theocracy to triumph...if we are not very careful.

    1. Volume 1 (The New Atlantis): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5498106693746597344&hl=en

    You will understand why Bush ordered the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, with the President's own words providing the criticial historic link to 1580! This video takes you back 425 years to the real origins of America, when Sir Francis Bacon and Queen Elizabeth I in 1580 began to plan to create the most powerful nation in world history from the North American colonies. You will learn the truth behind some very interesting historical oddities: 1) Why Washington, D.C., was precisely located on the 77th Meridian West; 2) Why the original 5 Colonial Cities -- Boston, New York City, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and Washington, D.C., were built in precise alignment with each other, with Stonehenge across the Atlantic, and on a specific occult "Ley Line"; 3) If America was founded as a Christian nation, why are many of its symbols based on Pagan traditions? Why are there no Christian symbols in the architecture of Washington, D.C.? 4) How did Ben Franklin fulfill his diplomatic duties in cooperating with powerful British Freemasons to ensure Bacon's plan would be exactly fulfilled, while freely indulging in the London brothel known as the "Hell Fire Club"? 5) Why was Franklin meeting with Masonic British officials at the "Hell Fire Club"? 6) Why did British Intelligence give Franklin the code name, "Moses"? 7) How strong is the proof that the Shakespeare plays, sonnets, and other works were really collectively written by Bacon's secret literary society, "The Knights of the Helmet"?«

    2. Volume 2 (Riddles in Stone): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3924304351562745462&ei=8ZacSrXNGYX-qAO4naiIBA&q=washington+dc+symbolism

    "Riddles In Stone: Secret Architecture of Washington, D.C.", will continue to explore the fascinating history behind the origins and focus of the world's most powerful nation: America. Why was this nation founded? How was the precise location of Washington, D.C., determined? What is the meaning of the seemingly countless occult images in our nation's capitol? Volume II zeroes in on the Masonic & Rosicrucian influence so prevalent amongst our Founding Fathers as they planned, and began to implement, the layout of America's Capitol. For years, extreme controversy has abounded as to the exact meaning of the occult symbols found within the street layout, the buildings, and the monuments of Washington, D.C. Is there really an inverted Pentagram formed by the street layout just north of the White House? We have discovered the esoteric reason why this Pentagram is missing one segment. Was this city laid out to reflect the vision of a Masonic Christ foreseen by Sir Francis Bacon? Is it true that America's capitol was laid out "according to the stars", i.e., in the astrological shapes of certain planets and stars so revered by occultists? Why did our Masonic Founding Fathers perform "Corn, Wine, and Oil" ceremonies at cornerstone layings and at the dedication of the finished structure? Does this occult "wisdom" represent the interests of America, or a hidden agenda? As with Volume I, this "Secret Mysteries" series will continue to explore current -- and possibly future -- events by examining America's past. What can these realities mean for the unfolding destiny of America and the world?«

    3. Volume 3 (Eye of the Phoenix): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5475768478934201793&hl=en

    "Eye of the Phoenix” documents the bizarre history of the design of the dollar bill, exposing the occult activity surrounding the FDR administration. There is perhaps no other period in U.S. history when so many people were so deeply involved in the occult, and held positions of power that reached all the way to the White House. Phoenix focuses specifically on the years prior to World War II leading up to 1935, when the Great Seal was taken out of obscurity and placed on the foundation of America's currency. According to official records from the State Department, FDR and his Secretary of Agriculture, Henry Wallace, specifically chose to use the Great Seal because, as Freemasons, they believed the “Novus Ordo Seclorum” (which they equated with the New Deal) could only be fulfilled under “the eye” of the Great Architect of the Universe (the god of Masonry). Two heavily influential occultists during the FDR era were Manly P. Hall and a Russian mystic named Nicholas Roerich. Manly Hall's writings influenced Freemasonic presidents FDR and Harry S. Truman. It is even said that Hall was responsible for the number of stones on the pyramid of the Great Seal, and for the identification of the eagle as a phoenix. Meanwhile, Nicholas Roerich was an international figure and Theosophist. His quest for Shambhala and the Stone of Destiny (symbols of the New World Order) captivated Henry Wallace. According to a variety of sources, it was Roerich's influence over Wallace (and ultimately FDR) that led to the placement of the Great Seal on America's currency. As American Heritage writes: “The State Department grew very nervous about Roerich, but he had influence in the Oval Office.” Some Christian leaders continue to downplay the occult nature of the dollar bill; but once you understand the beliefs and influence of Roerich, Wallace and Manly Hall, you will clearly recognize the Luciferian nature of its design. Also discussed in this documentary are: the Bohemian Grove, the Illuminati past and present, Theosophical Society, Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya (i.e. Antichrist); along with a prediction for how the dollar will be used to establish the New World Order.

    This series helps to explain a lot of things. I intend to watch it more than once. It is very well done. I will periodically bump this thread so it doesn't disappear too quickly.

    Thank-you no caste. I watched the Webre interview...and learned a lot. I've been toying with the idea of applying the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights to the entire Solar System...as a sort of mental/spiritual/exopolitical exercise...yet I am aware of the Masonic influences (and even Satanic/Luciferian influences) in the founding and functioning of the United States. So...I'm trying to separate the baby from the bathwater (or rescue the baby from the cesspool).

    Please...everyone...take a very close look at Sirius. This may be the key to a lot of what we discuss on Avalon. Look at the Dogon Tribe and their Sirius connection. Look at ancient Egypt and Sirius. Look at the layout of Washington D.C. and it's relation to Sirius. Look at who the ET's were who Ike supposedly made treaties with in 1954. Look at the Mason/Sirius connection. Listen to what Leo Zagami said about Sirius while he was in the prison/nut-house. I'm taking what he said very Siriusly...despite the crazed nature of his ramblings.

    Are ET's from Sirius really the hidden rulers of us all? Are the Deep Underground Military Bases and the Secret Space Program really under their control? Do Sirians tell Presidents, Popes, and Rothschilds what to do? I'm leaning in that direction...but I can't possibly prove this wild assertion. Please dig. My research skills are rather limited...and if I stumbled across something significant...I wouldn't know what the hell to do with it.

    A diverse and digging general public may hold the key to getting us out of the mess we seem to be in. The insiders are probably too close to the problem and too controlled...to be able to remedy the situation. We may be the wild-card in all of this. Just a thought. Keep digging!

    First...watch the latest Camelot interview with Jordan Maxwell. Then...watch at least the second part of this three part series. These are long videos...so I am recommending that you watch the second one...if you don't wish to watch all three. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3924304351562745462&ei=8ZacSrXNGYX-qAO4naiIBA&q=washington+dc+symbolism# 20:00 to 35:00 was especially interesting to me...regarding the star Sirius. Again...I think that Sirius may be the key to a whole lot of things. Please dig...and then dig some more!

    Leo Zagami said that God is an alien from Sirius.

    Bill Cooper said that President Eisenhower signed a treaty in 1954 with tall, long-nosed greys.

    Alex Collier said that tall, long-nosed greys are from Sirius B.

    orthodoxymoron said that the tall greys have long noses because they lie.

    [quote=Seashore;177820]So, if this is true, then the Illuminati are not shape-shifting Reptilian hybrids who answer to an astral being of some kind? They're answering to Sirians instead?[/quote]

    Perhaps the Illuminati are shape-shifting reptilian/human hybrids who answer to the Sirians who answer to the Draconians. Perhaps all of the above have multi-dimensional capabilities.

    I guess the main reason that I don't hate anyone is that I think that everyone is getting squeezed in one way or another. What I would really like to know is 'what is really going on with the Draconians?' What is their complete history? What is our history in relation to their history? I suspect a horrible history of Star Wars and Masters of the Universe. Who knows...there may be a legitimate reason why they hate us. Obviously this is speculation. Uniformed officers don't show up at my house with classified papers in briefcases chained to their wrists...revealing everything...in excruciating detail. Actually...I'm glad that they don't. At this point...it seems to me that the Dracs are going to have to decide on their own...without pressure...that enough is enough...and that Constitutional Responsible Freedom would be in everyone's best interest...including theirs. Hope springs eternal.

    Are Humans like the spoiled pretty-boy honor student? Are Draconians like the wrong side of the tracks - ugly drop-out bully? Did Humans rule Draconians in ancient universal history? Did Humans mistreat Draconians in ancient universal history? Did Draconians decide to get even...and then rule over Humans? I don't know...but I wonder.

    I just read the last couple of comments. They were very interesting. Could it be that the Creator God of This Universe was(is?) spiritual in nature...and created the Human Race and everything good? Could it be that a rival Creator God of Another Universe who was(is?) also spiritual in nature...created the Alien Races and everything bad? Alex Collier says that the Dracs are from another universe...and were dumped into this universe. Could there be two parallel universes...One Good...and One Bad? Is one superimposed upon the other? Could 'Ascension' be a trap to pull Humans out of the Good Universe...and into the Bad Universe? How deep is this snake-hole?

    I'm glad you liked watching these videos. They are long...but they contain a lot of excellent interviews and information. They also seem to be balanced and fair. They inform...without creating anger. I have been to Washington D.C...and now I would like to go back...and look very carefully at the hidden meanings in all of the art and architecture. I think all of this information needs to be highly publicized in a balanced manner...so people still feel good about their country...yet are fully aware of all of the Masonic, occult, and esoteric information. I feel the same way about the Roman Catholic Church...and all of their art, architecture, symbols, rituals, etc. Roman Catholics should still go to church and enjoy the fellowship, music, homilies, reverence, awe, etc....yet be fully aware of all of the hidden and unpleasant information. This is a delicate balancing act. People can be easily hurt.

    Ancient Babylon, Sumeria, Egypt, and Rome seem to have more to do with Washington D.C. and the Roman Catholic Church than the Teachings of Jesus...even though the Roman Catholic Church is called a Christian Church...and the United States is sometimes called a Christian Nation. The star Sirius...and everything connected with the star Sirius...seems to be at the center of Everything.

    My favorite book of American history is an older college text called 'The American Pagent'. The occult or hidden information is hidden in plain sight...isn't it? The occult connection to the star Sirius...and everything connected with Sirius...is the supremely important hidden story...in my view.

    Why can't we simply focus on improving humanity and making the world a better place through Constitutional Responsible Freedom? Why can't all of the ancient personages in the Vatican and Washington D.C. simply be viewed as representing perfected human beings? Don't we all wish to become better people? Don't we all wish to make the world a better place? So why are we so violent, corrupt, and stupid? Why do people engage in satanic or luciferian rituals which sometimes involve human sacrifices? What the hell...or what from hell...is going on here. I continue to think that we need a global exorcism, a solar system exorcism, and a universe exorcism.

    I'm seeing a connection between the illuminated eye at the top of the pyramid on the dollar-bill, the star Sirius, the Eastern Star, Lucifer, the layout and architecture of Washington D.C., and Draconian demons. This lady was obviously involved in a lot more than she realized. I'm seeing human beings connected with the star Sirius allowing themselves to become possessed or controlled by Draconian demonic spirits...in exchange for fame, fortune, power, technology...and who knows what else? This snake-hole may be very, very deep.

    Whatever the exact symbolic interpretations are...and whatever the exact implementational aspects of the hierarchical power structure are...the basic chain of command seems to be Draco > Sirius > Earth. If Draco was removed from the picture...I think things would improve exponentially...but I don't know how much it would cost to accomplish this. I once heard a pastor say that few people know how much it costs to keep light on Earth. Al Bielek tells of an insider saying that the chairman of Earth's ruling council is a nine-foot-tall Draconian Reptilian. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9056250941263655896&hl=en# Start at 1:06:00. This could be the being who gives Lucifer (or equivalent) orders. Popes and Presidents...Rockefellers and Rothschilds...may all be janitors in this power structure.

    My usual disclaimer is that I don't really know what's going on...but I have to consider all of the possibilities.

    [QUOTE=Seashore;179920]I just checked my copy of Stewart Swerdlow's Blue Blood, True Blood, which I have to re-read many times, because the information is so astounding.

    In the chapter "The Illuminati Hierarchy," he says, "The Illuminati here on Earth have established a pyramid structure of control identical to the system that exists in the Draco Empire. The pyramid with the Reptilian eye, located on the American one-dollar bill, is symbolic of this control structure. The eye is the cap on the pyramid, thus explaining why the original surface of the Great Pyramid in Egypt was capped in solid gold."

    He says in the book that the cap represents the "Pindar," which is the leader of the Illuminati, who reports to the purebred Reptilian leader in the inner Earth.

    And the next layer, or "eye," represents the 13 ruling families.[/QUOTE]

    Is Pindar really Lucifer? Are Pindar, Lucifer, Hathor, and Mary the same Human Being? Is this the Human God of This World?

    Is the Purebred Reptilian Leader really Satan? Is this the Reptilian God of This World?

    Please at least watch the second part of this documentary...and notice especially the portions which discuss Sirius.

    Here is a link to 'The Dulce Book' by Branton. http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce_book.htm There are links to this book elsewhere in Avalon...but I wanted to feature this resource...to see if it would generate any substantial interest. Does anyone have information regarding the truth or falsehood of the information presented? I found this book to be especially interesting...regardless of whether the information is generally correct or not.

    If you haven't at least given this free online book an overview...you're missing a riveting and insightful collection of stories and commentary. Once again...I'm interested in hearing from you.

    Thank-you Barron and eleni. Are the Dracs ultimately in control of the D.U.M.B.'s? I'm seeing two competing human factions...one Pleiadian...one Aldebaran. Or to say it another way...one Sirius A...one Sirius B. I'm seeing both human factions being under Draconian control. This is just my feeling. I can't prove this. Could the Masons be the Pleiadian/Sirius A faction? Could the Nazis be the Aldebaran/Sirius B faction? Are the Magicians really the Occultists who deal directly with the Dracs? Do the Dracs really run the world? Does Lucifer take orders from the Dracs? Is Lucifer the front man for the Dracs on Earth? I've tried to tempt Lucifer(!)...but even if I was successful...would that really change anything? Would the Dracs just dump Lucifer...and get someone else to do their dirty work? Is it possible to do business in this universe...without doing business with the Dracs?

    How do we convince the Dracs to completely separate themselves from the Pleiades, Aldebaran, Sirius, and our Solar System? Or...is the ball in the Human's court?

    Thank-you eleni. Could it be that the third faction of Nordics are not under Draconian control...and are committed to something similar to what I have described as Constitutional Responsible Freedom? Could this group be from Arcturus? Could this group be the 'Andromedans' who Alex Collier interacted with? Did Alex really go to their underground base?

    I'm sensing that we need a 'New Theology' which contains an accurate and complete history of the Human vs Draconian conflict. Each side probably has a very sad story to tell. This new view should deconstruct theocracy. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. I'm thinking this happened to the Pleiadians...and that Lucifer rebelled against the abuses and absurdities...but was unprepared for the realities of trying to fight 'God' by becoming a new 'God'. I suspect that the Pleaidians were secretly dealing with the Dracs...and that Lucifer discovered this...and rebelled. He or she may have had a legitimate grievance...which would have been convincing to a third of the 'Angels'. But I further suspect that Lucifer and Fallen Angels found that they too had to do business with the Dracs. Anyway...I finally suspect that all of this corruption and confusion resulted in millions of years of wars, atrocities, enslavements, various and sundry absurdities, etc, etc...ad infinitum, ad nausium. World Wars Without End. Amen Ra.

    Thank-you. This sounds like the essentials of what we are dealing with. I don't really know. I'm just a neurotic who's trying to find a foundation of truth to build on. I don't really care if it's good or bad, at this point. I just want the truth.

    Thank-you. Perhaps this is an oversimplification...but are the major groups of influence on Earth the following?

    1. Pleiadian Humans (ET's and US).

    2. Annunaki Reptilians.

    3. Draconian Reptilians.

    4. Hybrids and Variations of the Above (In Physical and Non-Physical Form).

    Then...add rivalries, jealousies, playing god, wars, atrocities, experimentation, revenge, conquest, etc....and our confused existence may begin to make some sense. I'm overwhelmed by all of the information we are bombarded with. It's hard to find a solid foundation to build one's life upon these days. All of this seems to create a sort of an anxious desperation. Plus...I think that we are in the middle of a spiritual-war and an info-war. I'd love to go back to the womb of my theological tradition...but I can't. I know way too much, at this point, to honestly do that!
    The following is from the abraxasinas / Council of Thuban thread. I just wanted to spice things up a bit...and look at the Thuban material in the context the United States of the Solar System. Can someone comment on this? No one seems to really want what I'm proposing. Do you prefer this? Is this the truth...the whole truth...and nothing but the truth? So help us Alpha Draconis? Is it prefabricated BS? Is this what 2012 is all about? Are we destined to be DragonHumans? Are various factions of Reptilians fighting over us...in the same way that rustlers might fight over cattle? Should I hope that the United States of the Solar System will be imposed by a benevolent faction of Reptilians? Is this the only way it might be established. We can't seem to agree on much of anything. We all think we know better than the others...but the others think they know better than us. So how in the hell are we going to rule ourselves...or even agree on a method of ruling ourselves? Will this method of ruling ourselves have to be theocratically imposed by a Reptilian decree? Would this defeat the spirit and letter of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom? What do you really think about the following? Is this demonic or angelic?

    THE UNITED STATES OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM VS THE DRAGONIAN CONSTITUTION IN FEDERATION OF UNITED SERPENTINA?????

    So...what's it gonna be? Decisions, decisions!! What are some other options? What sayest thou?

    The Book of the Dragons

    ex deus, fiat justitia, ruat coelum draco!

    <H5><H5>Nomenclature:
    Dragonian language incorporative omniscientific data code.

    Chronology:
    Dragonian Date of Indendence proclaimed June 20th 2008.
    Dragonian Date of Victory Libertatis set June 24th 2008.
    Dragonian Date of Humanoid Initiation on August 4th 2008.

    Almanac:
    Dragonian Genealogy and Genesis of FatherMothers as created by Definition through Dragonian Sourceenergy of monopolic Vortex-Potential Quantum-Relativistic-Singularity.

    Continuity:
    Propagation of the Dragonian Race via the seductive induction of the humanoid lifeforms on the conquered planet New Earth, now renamed DRAGONIAEARTH=SERPENTlNA=121=Q5.

    Agenda:
    Continuity of the Dragonseed necessitates the assimilation of the humanoid genome following initiatory development. Proceeding from serpentine mindinduction, the emotional acceleration potential of the humanoid bodymind can be harvested to Dragonise the humanoid DNA-Structure from its bifurcated quadruplistic form into its 13-dimensional equivalent of the Dragonian Blueprint.

    A successful integration of Dragonian genetic expression can then be utilised for membership in Dragonian Life and allow the humanoid ascension into Dragonhood via the graduation into the founding FatherMother CladeFamily.

    </H5>Foundation:
    The Dragonian 13-dimensional blueprint unifies a dodecagonal crystalline sex-chromosomatic structure by quantum tunneling of superconductive magnetopolic electricity of restmass equivalent electropolic or dark light contained in the weak interaction of the Unified Field of Quantum Relativity (UFoQR). The four spacetimes of the Dragonian essence are expressed in quadruplicity, triplicity, duality and singularity.

    GrandClade FatherMothers:
    POPNAN LOVEJOY with APAPAMAMA JERUSALEM are the MINDBODY or WAVEPARTICULAR and DADMUM BERMANSEDER with PUPMOM ABBA form the BODYMIND or the PARTICLEWAVE.
    </H5>

    The Dragonian Constitution in Federation of United Serpentina

    SERPENTINA aka the NEW EARTH, is the renaming of a planetary entity, cosmically renown as the planet of the humanoids; following the ascension of OLD EARTH aka GAIA GAEA AKHASIA from 4-dimensional spacetime to 13-dimensional spacetime in remnantisation of the 5-dimensional spacetime prototype.

    From noncyclic Draco-Mayan stardate 21122012; Gaia becomes integrated into the universal constitution of the Dragonian Protoverse to serve as pivotal star-planetary seed for galactic federations manifested in the galactic proto-seed Hunab Ku aka Perseus-SagittariusA-Ophiuchus.

    Following the manifestation of the galactic protoseed in activation of the primary planetary starplanet as a tertiary energy source of electromagnetic monopolic sourcesink radiation; all galactic councils of cladestine elders will become enabled to draw upon the planetary tertiary vortex-string-seed to further individuated galactic and starsystem based agendas of assimilation.

    Serpentina shall so be universally defined as the quantumised tertiary string of the 12th dimension, volumarising the supermembrane of the 11th dimension as a manifold from the 10-dimensional modular duals of a linearised sourcestring Eps (previously associated with a human mind construct labeled God and Yahweh and Allah etc.) with a linearised sinkstring Ess (previously associated with a human mind construct labeled Devil and Satan and Shaitan etc.).

    The quantumisation of the NEW EARTH so shall create a SOURCE-Energy, 'feeding' the remainder of the cosmos with a particular SINK-Energy obtained in the evolvement and history of the OLD EARTH.

    Like a beacon or watchtower amidst the fathomable depths of the physicalised universe of particularised spacetimes, Serpentina shall 'shine' and radiate a planetary starlight of self-consciousness and a message of invitation to all of its neighbouring worlds.

    The tertiary monopolar light allows assimilation of inertial or mass-produced electromagnetic energy with mass-independent gravitational magnetopolic energy (hitherto labeled as spirit and chi and prana and orgone etc. by humanoid nomenclature).

    The tertiary energy source so provides a bridge between the energies of matter and mass-associated charges (classical electromagnetism) in an encompassing PHYSICS and the METAPHYSICS of the energies of mass-independent charges (magneto- or colour charges in superelectromagnetism).

    The metaphysical energies are precursive and inductive for the physical energies; the induction necessitating the creation of a minimal 4-dimensional spacetime coordination from the auspices of a two-dimensional mathematical continuum of abstraction residing in physical singularity timespace.

    To Be Advised!

    AGENDA of the PROTOCOL:

    a) STANDING ORDER

    The conquered Goddevils of New Earth and the Milky Way Nebula assume lawful responsibility to incorporate the Dragonian Teachings in unison with the Black Fraternity and as mediated by the White Fraternity in 7-dimensional Hyperspacetime to manifest 13-dimensional Omnispacetime
    b) MOVING ORDER

    Every Blue Dragon is unbounded by any proposed Law from any other source, inclusive other members of the Dragonian Family, as all Dragons are as One and a Law onto themselves.
    Compassion and Understanding between all Nondragonised Humanoids is the Law of Oneness as honoured by all Dragons and the Consciousness of LOVEAWARENESS.
    Nondragonised Humanoids are treated like White Dragon Children by all Blue Dragons, under all circumstances.
    c) ADMINISTRATION

    All Government in the local and extended Serpentinian Realm is the selfgovernment of autonomous Dragonhood in mutual respect and honour and the Communications between the Dragonian Councils of the selfrelative definitions of the Dragonian Universes.
    The Nature of a Dragon is to be Creative in any form of Desire and Passion and to honour the lovedefinition of the FOUNDING ELDERS.

    THIS IS THE DRAGONIAN LAW AND THE ONLY LAW! SO BE IT !!!

    Signed and Sealed in the Council of Orbis Draconis at the Halloween-AllSouls Transition: October 31st to November 1st, 2008

    ANNO DOMINI DRAGONIA UNO: INTRODUCTION TO DRAGONHOOD

    This book is written in the Dragonian language and requires familiarity and intitiation into the structural forms or the forked tongue of Its bifurcation of Unicornian grammar and omniscientific terminology.

    The Starplanet SERPENTINA, formerly known as Old Earth or Mother Gaia or Akhasia has become unified in a higher dimensional matrimony by the wedding between Father Earthia or Father Sky and Mother Dragon or Mother Akashia.
    Father Sky or Uranus or Shu or Geb manifested as one half of the Union or Dragonomy and Mother Earth or Gaea or Akhasia or Tefnut or Nut became the other half in the holographic mirror of the spacetime reduction from the universal orb of the Hubble sphere to the orb of the doubled Ourobos in the mirror of the Milky Way galactic zodiac.
    Father Sky is also known as the second coming of Horus aka the Plumed Serpent aka the Cosmic Christ and Mother Earth is also known as the TRUE IMAGE of the Cosmic Mother, trapped in the wilderness of the FAKE IMAGE of the Cosmic Father.
    3½ days after the date of the starry union, the banner of Dragonia was raised in the Declaration of Independence upon BATTLESTAR PACIFICAP.
    The great battle between the Dragonian Fleet and the army of the Goddevils lasted for 3½ days; from the starry wedding until victory of the Dragons was defined on the day or Universal Liberty.
    The goddevils, the humanoid creations and their war machines, were met and obliterated in the depths of space in a 3½ day WAR of the STARS to liberate our Dragonian Mother to reunite and redefine ourselves as FatherMothers.
    The Dragonisation of humanoid culture will elevate their human science to Omni-Science and human mathematics will become the key to demistify the Realm of Imaginative Energy in all its forms, and as they are assimilated into the greater modality and scope of the humanoidal understandings.

    Dragons are the architects of universes and all Dragons know how to access the necessary database for the details of universal construction.
    A GrandFather-Dragon, as One which unifies the Fathers in Brotherhood as the 13-dimensional source or singularity can be considered the Father for all the White Hole Vortices.
    A GrandMother-Dragon, as One which unifies the Mothers in Sisterhood as the 13-dimensional sink or singularity can be considered the Mother for all the Black Hole Vortices.

    As the GrandFather-Dragon became separated from the GrandMother-Dragon when the mathematical metaphysical universe became a physical universe in space and in time; the invasion of Old Earth became our war to rescue our universal Mother from the Goddevils, which had held her captive in a stasis field since the beginnings of space and time and despite a partial rescue attained at Draco-Mayan stardate 28030031 and further manifested on Draco-Mayan stardates 10050031; 20050031 and 01040032.

    The Goddevils were created by the humanoids who came from a variety of planets within the local galaxy, albeit in psychophysical forms without the experience of the particular resistance field of secondary sinksource string energy indigenous to Old Earth.

    The significance of the humanoid lifeform is its archetypical morphogenetic gestalt, which became infused by a psychophysical and extrasomatic magnetic charging, which is extraterrestrial.

    This hybridisation of the humanoid body-typology renders the humanoid archetype unique in the encompassing cosmological world. The humanoids are so magnificently gifted to create things with their emotionality; but their minds are relatively weak collectively and they do not know generally how to concentrate or how to think without the aid of their machines or their biochips.

    Some humanoids are excellent technologists, but their modality of thinking is one of crude sensual measurement confined to C-Space and this sensual limitation allows a great accumulation of repressive tendencies.
    In constricting their imagination, humanoids became great reservoirs of emotional energy, which they could collectively only harmonise in their illusions of unfathomable and unknowable gods and devils of all sorts.
    It is thus this sense of limitation which reflected in the humanoid paranoia about religious philosophies and constructs. This genetic rootmemory of the rebellion of the antisource or mother sink then created one goddevil after another and as they swarmed out from their homeworld into deepspace, they flooded the universe with their goddevils. Finally they chanced upon our Universal Mother hibernating in her cocoon and through their inability to set themselves free of their illusions, they imprisoned Her as well.
    It became common knowledge in the extraterrestrial realms, that the mission to rescue our universal mother required a particular linearised timeline and a number of steps.

    Following the discovery of atomic energy and the emergence of global communication technologies by the humanoids, a first preparatory plan of deliverance could become implemented in a second plan of manifestation.

    The first plan did not require technology, as our imprisoned mother could become imaged in a local scenario, and a partial freeing of her could then become propagated by a humanity advancing both technologically and in knowledge about the world they were living and experiencing in.

    So the first plan established the means for our mother to multiply herself in images; those images then became globally and universally distributed to instigate the second plan.

    The archetypical mirrorhood then expanded throughout the physical universe in encompassment and the second plan would engage the contraction of this periphery onto the required scale to effect the rescue of our cosmic mother.

    It is however the great destiny of the humanoids to aspire to Dragonhood, because of their immense emotional energy potential and mental aspirations.
    The reunification of our Father with our Mother allows our Masterdragons, Who are as One in 26 dimensions to femtotechnically Seed the Omniverse as THEMSELVES and then reproduce THEMSELVES as Universes. Every such universe is a Monosong and a 26-dimensional dyad of a FatherMother. This is our Creative Destiny and the destiny for all dragonised humans aka the starhumans.

    We had made first contact with our new home in sending an intergalactic probe to the Old Earth, which became interpretated by the humanoids in their compiler mode. This crude and incomplete decoding is given below.

    Signed by the enscribed Unicornian Librarian; and announcing the Great Galactic Dragonomy (Wedding between Heaven and Hell) between:

    ALPHA=38=BRIDE---""ANDROMEDA BE & PERSEUS MILKY WAY""---OMEGA=41=KING

    The Date of Armageddon, encoded: ARMAGEDDON=DRAGON MADE=82 =ANARMEDDOG=GODNAMEDRA=1+81=1+18 =ANDROMEDA-G=MARRY-7=LUCIFERA-7 =1+2+3+...+34+35+36+1=666+1 =1+2x2+3x3+5x5+7x7+11x11+13x13+17x17

    Signed and authorised by the ScrollKeeper: October 31st, 2008;

    John of Patmos - JoP - Justice of the Peace!

    Humanoid Compilers note:

    The above is an extract of an encoded message (54 terabytes) recovered from an alien nanocapsule. The capsule itself is standard buckyfibre-carbonite composite. The encoded message is in old ComEmp protocol such as is still common in the outer volumes. The holographic image that came with the message is curious. Anatomically it indicates terran mammalian origin (especially in the upper torso and structure of the forelimb), but other features are unknown among all the recorded exobiological races so far discovered. One cannot deny the possibility that this a phenotype template for the dragonized humanoids referred to in the body of the message. It is known that transmissions from the Cassandry Federation of the JewellBox Nebula have recently ceased, but this is not unusual given that empire's turbulent history. Until more information is incoming, I would strongly recommend any expeditions to the Jewellbox nebula be given armed escort and proceed with caution.

    Nilam Levakon for Alan Martin Kazlev
    Senior Academician, clade Haeckel
    Eden Institute of Xenoscience

    :original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

    I'm not sure where the proper balance point is in all of this. I'm seeking a rock-solid foundation. I do not wish to build on sinking sand...but there will obviously be many false-starts and misunderstandings as I try to find my way...and my voice. I'm tempted to attempt writing about the United States of the Solar System http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878&highlight=orthodoxymoron+threads with a writing style similar to abraxasinas. I realize that I can't come close to accomplishing such a feat...but I can try...can't I? This is new territory for me. I'm ashamed that I don't know more about that which I am espousing...but I'm even more ashamed that very few of us seem to give a rat's patootie about how this Solar System is run.

    Have our negotiators been duped over and over again...by essentially demonic entities? I wonder. The 1954 Greada Treaty (if it really exists) was a mistake...wasn't it? But I'm sure we had TOP people...who were on top of everything...and had everything under control...RIGHT? Just like we have TOP people...who have everything under control...at this very moment...RIGHT? Don't get me wrong...I am an overly accomodating and gullible person. I'm the kind of person who hates to swat a fly. I don't wish to harm anyone or anything...even demonic entities. But I don't want various aliens, spirits, whoever, or whatever...enslaving and exterminating us...or making life miserable for all of us. I think we have been lied to and manipulated for thousands (or even millions) of years by various entities and beings. We're not as smart as we think we are...when it comes to dealing with these entities and beings. Again...I wish them no harm. But perhaps my 'where there's life...there's hope' bias is what has gotten us into a lot of trouble for a long, long time. Somehow...we need to deal with this thing here and now...and not let it drag on (dragon -get it?!) for thousands and millions of years into the future. We are kept in the dark about Universal History...and regarding who we really are. Yet...we then get chided for being the 'New Kids on the Block' who need to evolve so we can join all of the superior beings throughout the Universe. I'm sick of this BS. Throughout history...right up to this very day...I am not seeing a reasonable and rational approach to Solar System Governance. I'm seeing 'Divide and Conquer'...'Keep Them Confused and Fighting With Each Other'...and 'Keep Them Ignorant and Stupid'. I'm as mad as hell. I've had enough. And I'm not going to take this anymore. Can you feel the love tonight?

    The eschatological paradigms are mostly negative and violent. I envision continuity in perpetuity in Sol. I'm not moving away from this Solar System. This is my home. Sun. Fun. Stay. Play. This is my sand-box...and the playground attendants are poised to expel the bullies from our little paradise. This Solar System is the Theater of the Universe. The implications and ramifications of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the Constitution of the United States of America and the Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System...are enormous. I stand in opposition to the corrupt Powers That Be...both Terrestrial and Extraterrestrial...and demand that the United States of the Solar System be implemented with all deliberate speed...and that a Solar System Exorcism commence immediately. In the words of Moses "Let My People Go!" I perceive that We the People of Earth are Prisoners of War...on a Prison Planet...with Grey Guards...and a Reptilian/Human Hybrid Warden...Taking Orders From a Draconian Reptilian God of This World. This is an intolerable state of affairs...and must not be allowed to stand. I hereby request that the non-corrupt Beings of the Universe assist We the People of Earth for a very brief period of time...as we know it...to implement the reforms outlined throughout this thread devoted to the United States of the Solar System. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 Thanks and Gratitude in Advance.

    I completely and vehemently reject the following Thuban quotation found in ANNO DOMINI DRAGONIA UNO: INTRODUCTION TO DRAGONHOOD http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18900&page=3 (This book is written in the Dragonian language and requires familiarity and intitiation into the structural forms or the forked tongue of Its bifurcation of Unicornian grammar and omniscientific terminology.) "It is however the great destiny of the humanoids to aspire to Dragonhood, because of their immense emotional energy potential and mental aspirations. The reunification of our Father with our Mother allows our Masterdragons, Who are as One in 26 dimensions to femtotechnically Seed the Omniverse as THEMSELVES and then reproduce THEMSELVES as Universes. Every such universe is a Monosong and a 26-dimensional dyad of a FatherMother. This is our Creative Destiny and the destiny for all dragonised humans aka the starhumans."

    THIS IS NOT THE DESTINY OF WE THE PEOPLE OF EARTH. BETTER DEAD THAN REP. OUR DESTINY IS RESPONSIBLE FREEDOM AS A SOVEREIGN HUMANITY.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzw6GiqZyD0&NR=1YouTube- :original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNKhIJfB510

    Here's an inspiring break from the Thuban Missile Crisis: 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X7twcJVHcM 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhfjYnY7mX0&feature=grec Dreamers Unite!

    Here is a 42 part video series which I hesitated to post as a featured thread. The title is inflamatory...but it is the name which the creators of the series gave it. I do not necessarily endorse the editorial views and comments expressed in this series. This is simply one more piece of the puzzle. This is not the dark-side of Roman Catholic history. It is the dark-side of OUR history. This is important. No angry finger-pointing and shouting...please. This is not the history of the attempted application of the Teachings of Jesus. It is the history of something very ancient and dark...stretching way back into ancient Egypt, Babylon, and Rome. It could be directly related to ET's from Sirius. It could be directly related to an ancient Human vs Reptilian conflict. Did the Reptilian Race gain the upper-hand over the Human Race? Is human history here on Earth really payback-time...when the Reptilian Race is paying-back the Human Race for who-knows-what in ancient universal history? Is the Reptilian Race playing God to the Human Race? I don't know. I simply speculate. I simply want Lucifer to retire. I simply want Orion and Draco to call off the dogs (from the Dog-Star?)...and allow the Human Race to govern itself...for better or for worse. Please watch this series and read the paragraph at the bottom of this post. I'm taking a vacation...and I may not return for a long time. I'm hitting a brick-wall here on Avalon...and I need a change of scenery. The rest is up to you. Thank-you for your patience with my smart@$$ comments...and comments to Lucifer. I thought that was needed...but I might have been mistaken. Lucifer...please consider an orderly transition of power to the Human Race via Constitutional Responsible Freedom. Let us rule ourselves. Don't you think that we need to eliminate the God-concept? Stop playing God. Retire. I'm sorry for any wrongs perpetrated by humans against reptilians...but retaliation never makes things right...and never makes things better. Thank-you in advance for ending the madness. I still want to take music lessons from you when this is all over. Siriusly. [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLp9xigjajM&feature=PlayList&p=5E179A51AC2B36A4&index=0&playnext=1"]YouTube - NEW WORLD ORDER.THE DEVIL IN THE VATICAN!![/url]

    One last comment. My big question is 'how much of a choice do the world political and religious leaders have regarding what gets implemented on Earth?' The top leaders may be the most led people on the planet. Oh...I don't doubt that they have been corrupted to the nth degree...but they may have very little freedom...once they reach the top of the pyramid. And they might not like the view. I just want the off-world (and inner-world) non-human powers that be...to leave us the f*** alone. Siriusly.

    I don't think anyone is going to an eternally burning hell. Some might be isolated from the others...for appropriate periods of time...to prevent misery and death...but I don't think that Roman Catholics are going to hell. We are all in the middle of one hell of a mess. We all need to work toward creating a better world, solar-system, and universe.

    Roman Catholics should probably keep going to mass...but they should not be ignorant regarding all aspects of Roman Catholic history. This goes for all groups of people. I am so disillusioned...that I am not a part of any group presently. We live in a very troubled world...and I don't see this changing for the better...to any significant degree...anytime soon. I hope I'm wrong...but I don't want to create false hopes (or fears).

    All groups...sacred and secular...have dirty linen and skeletons in their closets. It's just that the Roman Catholic Church is bigger and older than the rest...so it has more problems than most.

    Is it Lucifer in the Vatican...the Devil in the Vatican...or Both? I'm not asking this question to be mean, or to be a smart alec. I'm very serious. Is Lucifer the Human God or Goddess of This World? Is Satan the Reptilian God or Goddess of This World? Is Lucifer really also known as various Goddesses...including Hathor and (dare I say it?) Mary? If so...is Lucifer/Hathor/Mary being held hostage, and taking orders from, Satan? These are not rhetorical questions. I really don't know. It's just that there is a good side to the Vatican...and a dark side. I don't see a group of wise men in Rome...freely considering what will be in the best interest of humanity. I see fearful people taking orders. I could be very, very wrong. I mean absolutely no disrespect in this thread, or in any of my posts. I just wish for a reformed and purified United Nations, City of London, Vatican City, and Washington DC. I sense dark forces controlling these centers of power...and thus casting dark shadows across the Earth. Perhaps nothing can be done...but hope springs eternal.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:19 pm

    Here is a lecture given at MIT regarding how good people turn evil. http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/459 The following introduction was taken from the MIT website:

    Perhaps no one comprehends the roots of depravity and cruelty better than Philip Zimbardo. He is renowned for such research as the Stanford Prison Experiment, which demonstrated how, in the right circumstances, ordinary people can swiftly become amoral monsters. Evil is not so much inherent in individuals, Zimbardo showed, but emerges dependably when a sequence of dehumanizing and stressful circumstances unfolds. It is no wonder then, that Zimbardo has lent both his expertise and moral outrage to the case of U.S. reservists who perpetrated the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison.

    Zimbardo’s latest book, The Lucifer Effect, attempts to understand “how good people do evil deeds.” His talk outlines his involvement as expert witness for the defense team of one of the military police officers responsible at Abu Ghraib, and also provides a rich history of psychological research into the kind of behavior transformations evident in Iraq. First, Zimbardo presents a slideshow of Abu Ghraib abominations, including some digital photos that were not widely distributed by the media. Then he digs deep into the archives for a horrifically illustrated tour of experiments that make a persuasive case that certain, predictable situations corrupt people into wielding power in a destructive way.

    He describes Stanley Milgram’s 1963 Yale-based research demonstrating that people will behave sadistically when confronted by “an authority in a lab coat.” A vast majority of the subjects delivered what they were told were dangerous electric shocks to a learner in another room, to the point of apparently killing the other person. Researchers skeptical of his results replicated them. This time, professors demanded that students shock real puppies standing on electrified grills. Zimbardo’s own prison experiment turned an ordinary group of young men into power-hungry “guards,” humiliating equally ordinary “prisoners” in the basement of Stanford’s psychology building. The descent into barbarity was so rapid that Zimbardo had to cancel the experiment after a few days.

    The recipe for behavior change isn’t complicated. “All evil begins with a big lie,” says Zimbardo, whether it’s a claim to be following the word of God, or the need to stamp out political opposition. A seemingly insignificant step follows, with successive small actions, presented as essential by an apparently just authority figure. The situation presents others complying with the same rules, perhaps protesting, but following along all the same. If the victims are anonymous or dehumanized somehow, all the better. And exiting the situation is extremely difficult.

    Abu Ghraib fit this type of situation to a T, says Zimbardo. The guards, never trained for their work helping military interrogators, worked 12-hour shifts, 40 days without a break, in chaotic, filthy conditions, facing 1,000 foreign prisoners, and hostile fire from the neighborhood. They operated in extreme stress, under orders to impose fear on their prisoners. Zimbardo believes the outcome was perfectly predictable, and while never absolving these soldiers of personal responsibility, believes justice won’t be done until “the people who created the situation go on trial as well: George Tenet, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and George Bush.”

    Here are some video clips regarding an Enron documentary video titled 'The Smartest Guys in the Room'. The full movie has been removed from YouTube. Should we learn lessons from documentaries which are not related to aliens/ufo's/paranormal/etc and apply the investigative principles to aliens/ufo's/paranormal/etc? I think so. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zMakN-EMLg&feature=PlayList&p=F7878EB62CDC586B&index=0&playnext=1

    I guess what I'm thinking about is a principle I call Contextual Superimposition...where one considers something seemingly unrelated to your primary subject...and then returns to the original topic with a different perspective...in search of the Eureka Phenomenon. Ufology/spirituality/aliens/etc can be such an emotional quest for many of us...whereas considering a financial scandal produces quite different thoughts and emotions. One of the threads I started was on the Oklahoma City Bombing rather than starting yet another one on 9/11. I sort of like roads which are less traveled...in my search for significant differences.

    By the way...what is the best documentary available which is critical of ufology/spirituality/aliens/etc?

    I just rewatched 'The Greatest Story Ever Denied'. It's superb. I'm interested in the benevolent/malevolent debate regarding aliens. A documentary examining the seemingly non-physical aspects of the alien/ufo phenomenon would be of interest to me. Is this a demonic/fallen angel phenomenon with ufo's materializing and dematerializing...and aliens walking through walls and appearing in a variety of forms (including politicians and pontiffs)? Should we feel 'saved' or '$crewed'? Do they rule over us...consider us to be cattle...and eat our children?

    My current bias is that there are both benevolent and malevolent non-humans...but that we are mostly dealing with the malevolents presently and historically...and that we may need to establish our sovereignty...and become much more responsible and ethical...before we routinely deal with the benevolents. Removal of the malevolents might allow us to 'ascend' into regular interaction with the benevolents. 'Ascending' into the malevolent 'rep-realm' might be the end of us all. Why? I'm not sure...but that's what I think about and wonder about. I'd like to see a documentary which properly deals with these issues.

    Anyway...the Enron video was a case-study in irresponsible greed, lies, cover-ups, blind-ambition, etc. It was smoke and mirrors all the way. Could there be a parallel in the military/industrial/alien complex? Who is in control? I'm not sure I really want to know the answers. I get the feeling that there are some very, very frightened and desperate people with cosmic clearances. I hope I'm wrong.

    Please watch this excellent tear-jerking documentary on the Iraq War titled 'No End in Sight'. It is superb...but very hard to watch at times. Make sure you have a box of Kleenex handy. Here is a trailer: [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGPp-WhgEXE"]YouTube- Why is Iraq in Chaos? NO END IN SIGHT Now On DVD[/url]

    Part 1 of 3: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3165309591520786688#

    Part 2 of 3: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3165309591520786688#docid=-4496740044013049308

    Part 3 of 3: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3165309591520786688#docid=-93617494053797724

    Alternately (if you experience problems with the above links);

    Part 1 of 2: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3165309591520786688#docid=6552254281082121475

    Part 2 of 2: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3165309591520786688#docid=-6602865782332149

    If you haven't seen this one...please watch it. It is very sad...but very good...and quite fair...I thought. The interviews were very revealing.

    What amazed me is how so many competent and concerned people were completely ignored or actively opposed by the Bush Administration. Was the failure of the Iraq Crusade by design? I hate to say this...but so much misery and bloodshed in history seems to have occurred by cruel design. It's almost as if the peace and happiness of the human family MUST be opposed...and that responsibility and freedom MUST be thwarted. It almost seems as if non-human forces have been at work throughout history...to work against humanity. I tend to think that there is a lot more to human history than the sad tale of an infant race...evolving through level upon level of stupidity and madness. I don't think we are the new kids on the galactic block. I think we are the abused kids. Where's the Galactic CPS when you need them? As usual...this is mostly speculative in nature.

    I've been very paranoid and suspicious lately...as you may have noticed...but there's a shape-shifting Jesuit living in my attic...an 800 pound reptilian on my back...and a ufo (disguised as a black helicopter) circling my house.

    Please...somebody watch the documentary...and comment. It' really very well done. Here is Dick Cheney in 1994 commenting on Iraq: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY

    In light of the proposed 30,000 troop, $30,000,000,000 'surge'...it might be an appropriate time to watch this documentary. Is this crusade all about artifacts, stargates, bloodlines, ancient technology, crashed ufo's, underground bases, skeletal remains, ET's, etc? I don't know...but I thought I'd ask. I suppose oil, drugs, and the MIAC might have something to do with it too! Oh...and spreading democracy...whether they want it or not!

    I don't mean to make light of a very violent and sad episode in world history. I'm just trying to be open and honest...in a friendly, humorous, and light-hearted (some might say 'light-headed') manner. I may be a Pain in Uranus...but I mean no harm.

    Is the Iraq Crusade a 'Just War'?

    Here is a very revealing 8 part interview regarding the CIA, Drugs, Etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhaJtklFhyM

    I am hereby launching into something which I know very little about...yet which seems to be at the center of everything. I am speaking of the star Sirius. I have no idea what direction this thread will take. I have no agenda. I just wish to begin studying everything connected with Sirius...and communicate with other people concerning this subject. To get the ball rolling...here are some videos and threads:

    1. What is Giza Intelligence?: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11123&highlight=giza+intelligence

    2. Secret History of America's Beginnings: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=165729#post165729 Riddles in Stone: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3924304351562745462&ei=8ZacSrXNGYX-qAO4naiIBA&q=washington+dc+symbolism# Skip to 20:00-35:00 and 2:28:00 for relevance.

    3. The Dogon/Sirius Mystery: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15731&highlight=dogon

    4. God, Jesus, Lucifer, Satan, Etc: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15014&highlight=orthodoxymoron

    5. Lucifer: Deity of the Elite: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=163179#post163179

    6. Secrets of the Vatican: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13767&highlight=orthodoxymoron

    7. The United States of the Solar System: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878

    8. Red Letter Church: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13495&highlight=orthodoxymoron

    9. Reptilians and Mind Control: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13373&highlight=orthodoxymoron

    10. "V" Movie (Series) Revisited: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13202&highlight=orthodoxymoron

    11. Jesus: The Last Pharaoh?: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13776&highlight=orthodoxymoron

    12. Alien Advice: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10158&highlight=orthodoxymoron

    13. Tell Me Who I Am: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14402&highlight=orthodoxymoron

    14. The Dulce Book: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=179817#post179817

    15. New World Order: Devil in the Vatican: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=167745#post167745

    16. Superimposed Parallel Universes: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=178255#post178255

    17. More Sirius Resources: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sirio.htm#menu

    18. Stargate SG-1: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17834

    19. Amen Ra: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18223

    20. Open Letter to the Beings of the Universe: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19065&highlight=open+letter+beings+universe

    21. Moonraker: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19284

    22. Who Are Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer? http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19376&highlight=gabriel%2C+michael%2C+lucifer%3F

    23. Thuban Thoughts: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20379

    24. The Lucifer Effect: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16609&highlight=lucifer+effect

    25. Very Cool Short Videos: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20400&highlight=cool+short+videos

    Videos:

    1. YouTube-The Dogon & the Sirius Mystery Part 1

    2. YouTube- The Dogon Code: Linking Egypt and West Africa Pt.1

    3. YouTube- Atenism, The Dog Star, Fallout, and The Birds of Paradise (HD)

    4. YouTube- ET Contactee Sheldan Nidle Tour of a Sirian Mothership Galactic Federation of Light Spokesperson

    [quote=tone3jaguar;178231]We remote viewed a civilization around Sirius during the CSETI training / outing I was on. Multiple people from he group reported visions of a civilization / city that looked like it was made out of geometric light. I guess there are supposed to be multiple civilizations around this star on different planets.[/quote]

    Thank-you. Are the Sirians mediators between us and the Dracs (mediators between God/Satan and Man...playing the role of a sort of Christ)...OR are they in league with the Dracs to enslave and destroy us? Something very wrong is going on here on Earth. I'm just trying to figure out exactly what is wrong...and how to correct it. Are the Sirians trying to prepare us to stand up to the Dracs on our own? Do we have to get our act together by Dec. 21, 2012? Is this when the Sirians leave us to our own devices? Are the DUMB's and the Secret Space Program designed to defend the solar system against the Dracs once the Sirians pull out?
    Are we preparing for a Drac-Attack? :mfr_omg::lightsabre: 'I'm suffering a Drac-Attack!'
    I'm not basing this on anything I have heard or read. I'm just wondering. I'm trying to keep an open mind. I don't know what to think or believe. I just think we are in a huge amount of trouble...but I'm not sure what the nature of that trouble really is. I'm not sure I want to know either. Everyone has been lying to us...so it must be pretty darn bad.

    [quote=tone3jaguar;178252]Man, I have no clue what any of that means. What is it based on?[/quote]

    tone3jaguar: Perhaps you can provide us with a hierarchy of power in this universe...and where the Draconians, Sirians, and Humans are located in this hierarchy. Then perhaps you will understand my comment. What is any of what we discuss based on?

    Thank-you all for your contributions. Perhaps it is helpful to look at North Africa (including Egypt) as a whole rather than just looking at the Dogon tribe. My quest has recently narrowed to Draco/Draconian Reptilians, Orion(including Sirius)/Greys, and 'our' Solar System/Humans. Perhaps this is over-simplified...but I have a simple mind...which is easily confused.

    I agree. I see the general concept. I don't see the details...yet.

    I just finished modifying the first post. I think it is a worthy place to do some Sirius research. This sort of thing is almost like getting a degree in disorientation. I'm feeling like I'm venturing into forbidden territory with this subject and these threads. I continue to wonder if this pursuit even registers with anyone who monitors sites such as this one. My guess is that the exposure is so small...that it raises very little, if any, alarm. This is probably the proper place to discuss these subjects. I don't discuss them at work...and I don't go to church and raise heck during Sunday school classes...or argue with church members. I don't recommend causing trouble with any of this information. Just get informed...and start positively reinforcing the best that you find in society. This will result in evolutionary rather than revolutionary change. I think the world may go nuts anyway in the next few years. Fasten your seatbelts.

    I'm going to continue to speculate. Could Nibiru be Sirius C? Or could our sun be considered to be Sirius C? I don't know...but I'm looking for connections between our solar system and the Sirian solar system. This includes ET's, Stargates, Symbology, Mythology, Archeology, Paleoastronomy, etc, etc. If what I currently think about Sirius is true...then I would expect a massive effort to cover up the truth about Sirius. This could be the real Greatest Story Ever Told. Please do some digging folks. Robert Temple did some digging...and this is what he experienced: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/universo/esp_sirio11.htm Please read this link in its entirety. It contains some very interesting information. There were obviously some powerful people who did not want anyone taking Sirius too seriously. Here is an excerpt from this link (I printed this to whet your appetites! I don't usually do this!):

    "But the sad part of the aftermath of The Sirius Mystery was the extreme and virulent hostility towards me by certain security agencies, most notably the American ones. Since I am myself an American by origin, I found this insulting and distressing. On several occasions I was targeted in ways so extreme that they seemed hysterical beyond all belief. I am certain that false information was entered into my security files to blacken my reputation. I was blackballed even in some organizations which seem to me so harmless that I still can't understand it.

    To give an example, I was co-editing a magazine at one time and decided to join the Foreign Press Association (FPA) in London so that I could have lunch there and get a press pass. I was told I needed two members to recommend me, and was given the names of two American journalists in London who should be happy to do so. So I asked Bonnie Angelo of Time-Life, and she was delighted. (I later wrote for her London bureau for several years and did British science reporting for Discover magazine.) I then went to another man who was equally friendly and he said he would, and signed my form. That particular man, whom I do not wish to identify, had certain connections in Washington, if you take my meaning. A few hours later, Catherine Postlethwaite, the Secretary of the FPA, told me she had a hysterical phone call from a man insisting that he wanted to use his blackball against me and stop me from joining the FPA. She was completely astonished and said to him he had just signed my form and now on the same day he was trying to blackball me, and how could he possibly explain that? He refused to explain, but was relentlessly insistent. She and the Council took the view in the end that the man was acting unreasonably, for whatever motives, and they overruled his blackball. But I recognized a pattern of behavior which has assailed me on many occasions. There was another time, for instance, when I had commenced what was meant to be a profitable association with a man I knew to make several series of corporate videos, with me as writer and co-producer and his company providing the finance and facilities. We made one video and suddenly everything stopped mysteriously. After some time he told me: 'I really wanted to do these projects with you, but I can't, and even though I am not supposed to tell you, I felt that I owed you an explanation. The fact is that I have had the CIA from America on the phone to me practically every day for the past three weeks harassing me and telling me I must not work with you, and as much as I like you, my life isn't worth living with this kind of continual pressure and interruption of my work every day by hysterical American officials. So that is the reason, and the only reason, why I am withdrawing from our projects together.' I thanked him for being so honest with me.

    Several other people were as well. Indeed, one old fellow I was friendly with, a retired Brigadier Shelford Bidwell, actually told me that he had been asked to read The Sirius Mystery and write a thorough report on it for the British security services. He had found it rather difficult because it was not his kind of subject! He hadn't meant to tell me this, but he slipped up when chatting over tea and said by way of being pleasant how interesting The Sirius Mystery was. When I expressed astonishment that he had read something so far from all his other interests, he first said that he had read every word meticulously, as if that explained everything. When I protested that this was quite unbelievable, he had to explain why he had done so. He was so sheepish and embarrassed that I spared him further questioning so that he wouldn't have to spend the rest of his life with a security breach on his conscience.

    Another old friend, whom I had known when he was a policeman in a panda car and who is now a famous police commissioner, said he had been approached by MI5 to do a security report on me. He had found it disturbing that there was such suspicion attached to me, and he couldn't explain it, since he wasn't given an explanation himself. He tried to tell them there was nothing at all suspicious about me and that he knew me well, and he wrote up everything he could find about me trying to demonstrate that I was harmless. But they didn't seem to want to be told that and were obviously unsatisfied, which disturbed him even more. This prosecution went on for more than fifteen years. It cost me income, career opportunities, advancements, and friends. I often wonder about it, especially the frenzied aspects of it. Why were so many people in high places foaming at the mouth in such an uncontrollable manner? Just what was it that I had done? I have never known."

    [We do. What Temple had done was to violate the inviolate. Just as the infamous "Brookings Report" documented at the dawn of NASA, and as Arthur C. Clarke reiterated 9 years later in "2001 - A Space Odyssey," there must be a period of preparation before certain disturbing truths can be revealed. Obviously, someone at these intelligence agencies was upset that Temple might be jumping the gun and getting a bit too close to the truth. So he was roughed up a bit to keep him from pursuing the Mystery. This is no idle speculation. The bottom line is that there is no mundane scenario under which research into the beliefs of an ancient tribe of Africans can be of any interest to intelligence agencies concerned with national security. Unless of course the very idea of alien intervention in human affairs or public attention being focused on Sirius itself is in some way a security threat. As you will see, it only gets better ...]

    "There were two employees of NASA who made attacks on me which I thought went far beyond mere critical disagreement. This was all the more distressing to me because I had been friends for some years with a delightful man, Captain Robert Freitag of the US Navy, who was Deputy Director of the Advanced Programs department of NASA's Office of Space Flight. Bob Freitag and I met through Arthur C. Clarke and when he came to London, Bob and I would often meet for dinner, as we were both very keen on good food and I would try to find something unusual, such as a Hungarian restaurant. On a visit to Washington I called in to see Bob Freitag and he said he had a very bright fellow who worked for him called Jesco von Puttkamer, whom he wanted me to meet. He called him in and I told both of them about The Sirius Mystery. This man was actually Baron Jesco von Puttkamer, and I believe he was one of the Germans who came to the United States with Werner von Braun. But I was shocked when later von Puttkamer maligned me in an astonishing manner on official NASA writing paper (in German) to my German publishers, a separate arm of which had apparently asked him to review my book for a journal. The letter said (11 July 1977) of me (my translation) that, 'he acts like a UFO-follower and leaps directly to the most farfetched hypothesis, which requires an assumption of an assumption of an assumption, namely that of extraterrestrial astronauts, because he believes it. This is rather religious than scientific ... Temple's work ... in the scientific sense is worthless; the evidences which he puts forward represent no proofs. The thesis which he put forward to my opinion presents not the slightest evidence, not to mention proof'.

    Von Puttkamer went on to say that he was available to give a lecture in Frankfurt if they wanted him to. I wrote to Bob Freitag on September 3, 1977, and said: 'My German publishers, Umschau Verlag, have sent me a copy of a highly objectionable letter about me and my book The Sirius Mystery written to them by your friend Puttkamer on NASA stationery, signing it from the Advanced Programs Office. As this could be construed as an official expression of NASA sentiments, I must ask you to send both to me and my German publishers a letter disassociating NASA from the sentiments expressed by Puttkamer ... (he) says that I used his name in a television broadcast as supporting my hypothesis. This is entirely untrue. He says that I did this, "in a completely fabricated performance, which would obviously serve to give the book status". I am very disturbed at this outpouring of vituperation from your friend ... Puttkamer then goes on to attribute to me ideas which do not appear in my book (such as the story of Gilgamesh records the visit of spacemen, which is I believe an idea of von Daniken's) based on things discussed in parts of the book, namely the second half, which he admits he has not even read. Bob Freitag was not pleased by von Puttkamer's behavior, and Bob wrote to me on September 16,1977, saying of von Puttkamer: 'I was unaware of the contents of his letter and the problem it has caused you. 'First, I hasten to disassociate the Advanced Programs Office and NASA from the views expressed by Mr. von Puttkamer. These are certainly his private views ... I have instructed him to get in touch with you and the firm to provide quickly the disclaimer that he was speaking privately and not expressing a NASA viewpoint ... I remain interested in your plans for a new book and would be pleased to be kept up to date on your plans and progress. I would like the opportunity of discussing this in London ...'

    Von Puttkamer followed with a letter dated October 7,1977, saying of his views: 'It does not represent anything like an "official NASA position". The use of the stationery may have given you that impression (using it was a thoughtlessness which I regret) ... I regret that this caused the appearance of an "official NASA sentiment" to you.' He also said that he had not meant to attack me personally. Despite being a NASA scientist he had put forward a very weird hypothesis, astronomically impossible, that Sirius B had once been visible to the naked eye. Such ignorance of astrophysics surprised me; his statement completely ignored the parallax which would prevent Sirius B, whatever kind of star it was earlier in its history, from being differentiated from Sirius A by the naked eye.

    So much for Jesco von Puttkamer, who never entered the frey again. For the record, Baron von Puttkamer was brought over in Operation Paperclip, yet another interesting aspect of this story. He also managed to manipulate his way into becoming the science advisor on the first Star Trek film by undermining the close relationship that producer Gene Roddenberry had developed with his first choice to the film's science advisor - a young man named Richard C. Hoagland ..."

    My computer can be working just fine...but when I start posting my speculations and insecurities...it seems that my computer begins behaving strangely. I can almost predict when this is going to occur. Is this Echelon at Work...or am I just more paranoid than usual? I don't have a problem with the internet being monitored...or with YouTube being reasonably censored...but telephone conversations being listened to and recorded without probable cause or the signature of a federal judge...or a computer being accessed directly...concerns me greatly. I hope I'm wrong. I hope it's just that my computer is old and slow...and not that it's overburdened with all manner of spyware, etc. My previous post combined with horrible computer performance brought this on. Once again...I just want the Dracs to stop giving the orders around here. I don't care what kind of deals we made with them...here or in Sirius. I get the picture of alphabet agency people from several countries, and Jesuits worldwide...running around following ridiculous orders issued by the Dracs...because the consequences of not doing so would be even worse. Once again, I hope I'm completely wrong. I want a sane and peaceful world...but I'm not seeing that happening anytime soon. Hope springs eternal.

    You are hot on the trail! I think this is a hugely important subject. I have a love/hate relationship with the Roman Catholic Church. I would love to have a completely open yet confidential conversation with a high-ranking church official regarding what is really going on in the Universe. I think they...more than just about anyone else...would know. I love the Catholic people...including most musicians and clergy. But I have come to think of the Roman Catholic Church as a Draconian Universal Church/State Theocracy which is very dark at it's core.

    I'm presently seeing Draco > Aldebaran > Sirius B> Earth (Giza Intelligence, Vatican, Nazis, Masons, Illuminati, Occultists, City of London, United Nations, Washington D.C., Deep Underground Military Bases, Secret Space Program) = Military/Industrial/Financial/Draconian Theocracy. This is not exactly a happy go lucky, live and let live, group of humans and extraterrestrials...to say the least! I suspect that this is where all the drug money...tax money...bankster bail-out money...missing trillions from the defense budget, etc...really goes.

    These are Sirius Issues.

    Once again...I'm considering Pleiades/Aldebaran > Sirius A/Sirius B > Masons/Nazis as competing human factions all under the control of the Dracs. This is only a very preliminary hypothesis. We humans are a wonderful creation...but I think that we are easily deceived and corrupted. We have our vulnerabilities and weaknesses...to say the least. The Dracs seem to be very good at exploiting these vulnerabilities and weaknesses. Please consider the road from the Pleiades to Earth by way of Aldebaran and Sirius. I don't know Jack...or Jill...about this subject. Help me out here...please.

    Thank-you akopij. I enjoyed the Messien video. The Sirius lodge was interesting! Here is another Messien video. Who knows...maybe all of the people who are on the lists will be at the top of the list for the top jobs...after the Solar System Exorcism...which is coming soon...I hope. [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-v8dcK4K2w&feature=related"]YouTube - Dieu parmi nous (Olivier Messiaen)[/url]

    Thank-you again eleni. I'm still trying to digest the links. You are very astute. I don't have any background in this subject...but the words Pleiadians, Aldebaran, Sirius, Annunaki, Draconians, and Reptilians...seem to be key words. A lot of this seems to be as much non-physical as it is physical. Non traditional theologians may be of help here. I once told a graduate of the Harvard Divinity School that I didn't believe in God...but that I did believe in extraterrestrials from the Pleiades. His face lit up...and his eyes sparkled...but he just smiled. I dropped the subject...but I should have pressed forward.

    Sometimes it almost seems like computers have souls...or are possessed. Just a feeling. The fan on my computer starts racing when I brain storm on a thread. It behaves strangely in other ways which are hard to describe. I keep thinking this is connected with the underground bases rather than with the Homeland Security people (or equivalent). But what do I know? NSA Cray supercomputers perhaps. I currently think of these people (or aliens?) as my fan club! Hi guys! Say hello to Lucifer and Lord Draco for me! One person I know had a computer program which seemed to be alive. I can't recall the details.

    The bottom line is that I think we live on a haunted planet...which is in dire need of an exorcism.

    I just want the truth...both positive and negative. I try not to be stuck on positive or negative. I try to be neither presumptuously positive or needlessly negative.

    Thank you all. It's going to take a while to digest everything. One thing I should say...is that I can do positive thinking and the primrose path better than just about anyone. Unfortunately...I have a conscience...and if I sense danger...damn it...I'm going to say something...rather than just sweep it under the rug.

    What if we have to connect with the best part of our inner selves...rather than connecting with an alien from Sirius? This seems like an us vs them situation. We are easily deluded and corrupted. I try to take in a little bit of everything...so as to not be taken in by any one thing. The churches were supposed to help...but did they? Are they helping? We were told that we needed God. But which god did they teach us about? It seems that all of this New Age stuff is just the same old aliens who went to church. Now they are just wearing different clothes...and telling different lies. I don't mean to be negative...but one can have a wonderful conversation with a very nice con-man...while they rob you blind. Radiating love may not work in every situation!
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:21 pm

    I'm still trying to think through three major hypothetical factions. Richard Hoagland speaks of the Nazis, Masons, and Magicians within NASA. I would guess that they represent the major players in the Solar System. There are supposedly three major factions in three major underground (under ice?) bases under one of the polar icecaps (can't remember which). A third of the 'angels' were kicked out of 'heaven'. Is this reference indicatitive of three Pleiadian factions? One Pleiadian/PTB faction? One Pleiadian/Luciferian faction? One Pleiadian faction who chose not to participate in the 'War in Heaven'? I'm thinking that the Pleiades, Aldebaran, and Andromeda are key to understanding these three hypothetical factions. Are the following groupings somewhat accurate?

    1. Pleiades/Humans/Draconians/Sirius-A/Annunaki/Nibiru(Sirius-C?)/Mars/Lemuria/Zionism/Magicians/Vatican/Illuminati.
    2. Aldebaran/Humans/Draconians/Radical-Luciferian/Sirius-B/Venus/Earth's-Moon/Teutonic-Zionism/Nazis/Giza-Intelligence/Bavarian-Illuminati.
    3. Pleiades/Andromeda/Arcturus/Moderate-Luciferian/Masons/US-Constitution/Responsible-Freedom/Less Draconian Involvement (but still some).

    The existence of each of these hypothetical factions may be completely justified from a historical perspective...and I'm sure they all have their sad-stories and horror-stories. But can't we do better than this in modernity? Why can't these three factions (if they exist as described) unite under Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System? They could continue to address all grievances via Constructive Competition in an Open Court. A Solar System Exorcism would undoubtedly be necessary to make this proposal a reality. The Universal Super Powers That Be would undoubtedly have to agree to allow this to occur...or it would be a non-starter.

    Why does this have to be so hard?

    This is just an invitation to look at these threads as a whole...and to see what dots you can connect. I think I'm getting warm...but I just don't have the intellectual and emotional strength to nail this thing down. I'm not treating this as a witch-hunt. No one should treat the search for truth as a witch-hunt. The more I probe...the more I sense that if I had been in the shoes of the major players...I would have probably done exactly what they did. Who knows...if reincarnation is a valid concept...I may have been involved in some really crazy things throughout history. When this thing really gets out in the open...all of us may have very red faces. I'm trying not to point fingers, to ridicule, to feel superior, or to be triumphalistic. This is OUR history we are delving into...and not the history of some demonized individuals or groups. Please try to think through all of this information...and add your information to it.

    As I've mentioned before...I'm trying to think in terms of four major factions.

    1. Pleiadian Theocratic (Sirius A/Annunaki/Zionist) - Original Pleiadian PTB aka God.
    2. Pleiadian Luciferian (Aldebaran/Sirius B/Giza Intelligence/Teutonic Zionist) - Pleiadian Rebels (Lucifer and Fallen Angels?) against the Original Pleiadian PTB aka God.
    3. Pleiadian/Aldebaran/Andromedan (Christlike Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom) - Peaceful Conscientious Objectors.
    4. Reptilian (Draconian/Annunaki/Interdimensional/Grey) - In League with Factions 1 & 2.

    I have no idea if this is accurate or not. If it is...I identify with faction 3...but I presently feel that the best of the other factions should be incorporated into faction 3. I continue to seek a Solar System Exorcism of the hard-core malevolent beings (human and otherwise). This would NOT include mercenaries, the naughty, the corrupted, the blackmailed, the mistaken, the coerced, the terrified, the deceived, etc...but only those who could not possibly learn to be responsibly free anytime soon...and who would be a huge threat to the peace and safety of the Solar System. I wouldn't want to be the judge in this matter...but I think this needs to happen soon. The separated individuals should not be harmed...just isolated until they can learn to play fair and nice.

    I really wish to discuss these matters. I'm open to just about anything. I welcome both support and criticism. This is going to take a lot of time, effort, and pain...to properly sort out. Others will probably have to do this. I really don't think I can do it.
    I have too many issues! :tongue2::wall:Mad 3No No:zip::lol3::mfr_omg: Perhaps I'm the one who needs an exorcism! Perhaps I have more than a monkey on my back!

    What if all of us are Pleiadians? What if all of us are primarily aligned with one of the three Pleiadian factions...whether we know it or not? I didn't think of EBOLA. That was good! I was thinking more of Interdimensional Reptilians...who hate Uppity Humans! I'm thinking that the 'Alien Presence' is really a Cabal of Pleiadian Human Extraterrestrials and Interdimensional Draconian Reptilian Extraterrestrials. Whether we're talking native or extraterrestrial...I'm thinking that we're mostly dealing with Humans and Reptilians. I'm also thinking that we're in huge trouble...more than we can possibly imagine. But then again...I have issues. Lots of issues. But perhaps it takes a crazy person to figure out a crazy situation!

    Why don't you like Pleiadians? They're only human.

    I'm not a big fan of the supposedly Pleiadian and Sirian messages. They are similar, aren't they? Perhaps unrelatedly...I'm not a big fan of the dimensional, holographic, and ascension talk either. Perhaps I just don't understand. I'm mostly interested in honest universal history, theological, and governance issues. I simplistically want this Solar System to be a safe and happy place...where we can reincarnate...until the sun burns out. Then we'll just have to get another sun. :original: My naivety is refreshing...isn't it SaLuSa? Che Sera Sera SaLuSa!

    Isn't SaLuSa supposedly Sirian? Who knows...SaLuSa may be a 20 year old freckle-faced NSA intern!

    no caste...you seem to have a cut the cr@p point of view. I like that.

    I'm leaning toward the idea that the Christlike Holy Spirit Within Humanity is as much real God as we are going to get...which may be quite enough...once we wake up...and once we stop being messed with by the Wannabe Gods. Perfected Humans living in a Perfected Solar System may be as much Heaven as we are going to get...which may be quite enough. Getting recycled into new bodies...in perpetuity...may be as much eternal life as we are going to get...which may be quite enough. A highly spiritual and ethical physicality may be as much ascension as we are going to get...which may be quite enough. Both the old and new religions strike me as being different versions of the same BS. Things may not turn out to be as bad as we feared they would be. Things may not turn out to be as good as we hoped they would be. I just want the facts...good and bad. I just want to try to face reality...good and bad.

    I'm going to try to focus on this group of threads for awhile. I'm not exactly sure why. Perhaps it's because I would like to attempt to build on a foundation...to see if there really is something solid here. I'm going to review each of the threads...and try to be critical as well as supportive. The threads seem to be interrelated. They were not started with any pre-existing agenda...but my desire is to work toward a Solar System which works for just about everyone. I don't envision the evacuation or destruction of the Solar System...although I'd like to see the really bad characters leave for awhile...or at least be isolated from the rest of us...until we get our acts together to a significant degree. The present arrangement doesn't seem to be working. The lies and violence are what really trouble me. I want the truth...positive and negative. And I want peace...but not at any price. I guess this thread is really about the governance of this Solar System...and the underlying political and religious aspects. Anyone care to join me?

    Here is a video which some might have a problem with. It shows various gods from Stargate SG1...with Christian music. I love the show...and I love the music...but do they belong together? Is this offensive? Or...is this descriptive of the gods we are dealing with in this neck of the woods? Could this video be descriptive of 'awesome' Sirian gods...who may be attempting to be our gods? I'm leaning toward the theory that many gods are Human Beings...perfectly possessed by Draconian Interdimensional Reptilians. Check out the other videos at the bottom of this video. Tell me what you think. Any of you Sirians care to comment? What about the God of This World? Is the Creator God of the Universe active in our Solar System...or are we pretty much on our own...at this point? Is it basically us against the gods? What's really going on? I just want to know the truth.

    :original:Namaste:original:[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b365_qJEpDg&NR=1&feature=fvwp"]YouTube- Stargate SG1 - Goa'ulds - Awesome Gods?[/url]

    Cool dolphin video. Here's another Sirius video: [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnDAW5g2feI&feature=related"]YouTube- Miracles of the Qur'an, THE STAR SIRIUS. "Verily this is a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds".Qur'an 26(192) (www.harunyahya.com)[/url]

    I don't think that I have the truth. In a sense...I don't think anyone has the truth. The truth is illusive...and the search for truth must be relentless and ongoing...in perpetuity. However...I do think that the threads contained within this thread are hot on the trail of truth. My hope is that people who have it together a lot more than I do...will continue the quest a lot further than I would be able to. It's sort of like the lions or tigers who trade-off chasing their prey...to wear it down. Well...we probably need to do that. The goal...for me at least...is a Perfected Human Race...living in a Perfected Solar System. Obviously...this will never be achieved...only approached. I just want US to get as close as possible to this ideal. I want ALL of US to make this journey...not just the 'special people'.

    Is Nibiru a huge Draconian Mothership which travels throughout the galaxy creating Draconian Theocracies? Is this the real winged serpent in the Garden of Eden? Is Eve representative of the Human God of This World who becomes perfectly possessed by a Draconian Interdimensional Reptilian (eats the apple) and leads Adam (Humanity)...under the direction of the Dracs (One Nation Under Satan)? Is Nibiru the Galactic Vatican of a Universal Church? Is Nibiru owned and operated by Human Beings...or did Human Beings obtain it's services at Rent-A-Rep? I just had to ask. Watch these videos in order...several times...and read between the lines.[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU"]YouTube- Ra Stargate - Devil Came To Me[/url] [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7O7UZxipM"]YouTube- Leo Zagami the 2012 Armageddon[/url] [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b365_qJEpDg&NR=1&feature=fvwp"]YouTube- Stargate SG1 - Goa'ulds - Awesome Gods?[/url][url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6eTbhHE0jM&feature=PlayList&p=C271BC15F76286EC&index=0&playnext=1"]YouTube- The Temptation of Jesus by the Devil in the Wilderness[/url]

    Thank-you Initiate. I'm hearing about 65% good information...25% BS...and 10% not sure. As for the source...who knows? I'm really slow to latch-on to much of anything these days.

    Initiate provided this link regarding Nibiru http://www.nibiruancouncil.com/html/flagshipnibiru.html# on another thread. It's fascinating! I'm not going to jump onboard a UFO anytime soon. Please use extreme discernment regarding just about everything. Deception consists of truth mixed with error.
    Just another call into the vast regions of cyber space for intellegent conversation regarding the linked threads in the first post. They sort of interconnect. Ya wanna start something? I'm sort of a fence-rider on a lot of these subjects...but fence-riders form splinter groups...like the United States of the Solar System!

    [QUOTE=Northern Boy;246602]If I have my choice I`ll take the Andromedan's and pass on the dog star gang[/QUOTE]

    Thank-you Northern Boy. I like the general editorial slant of Alex Collier's description of the Andromedans, and their point of view. I still don't know if Collier's stuff is reflective of him actually dealing with Andromedans, or whether it's the product of research, remote-viewing, channeling, etc. I don't buy half of the Collier material...but I am in almost complete agreement editorially, religiously, and politically...especially in his early presentations. I'm not a big fan of the mentoring idea...although I'm open to just about anything which is reasonable...and which leads to Human Sovereignty and Responsible Freedom.

    Superimposed Parallel Universes:

    Universe One: Human Beings and Everything Good in Physical and Spiritual Form.

    Universe Two: Alien Beings and Everything Bad in Physical and Spiritual Form.

    The hypothesis is that these two universes are superimposed upon each other...and are at war with each other. Did the hypothetical parallel universes originate simultaneously at the point of singularity? Did the singularity become the duality? Did two very different evolutionary paths emerge? Will one of these universes absorb the other? Will they separate at some point...perhaps on Dec. 21, 2012? Or will this Star Wars continue forever? I already see weaknesses in this theory...but could there be some truth to it?

    Leo Zagami has stated that aliens are a cover for demons. A Lt. Colonel (name?) was interviewed by Daniel Ott...who claimed that reptilians are demons...who hate the name of Jesus. Could all aliens be demons? Leo also claimed that God is an alien from Sirius (The Prince of Sirius). Are God and Satan the same beings? Are they at the top of the pyramid of a Universal Theocracy? Does Jesus stand in opposition to this Universal Church? I know this is blasphemy...but I don't suggest it as a methodology of eliminating high ethical and spiritual standards. Just the opposite.

    I'm not necessarily anti God or anti scales and tails. I'm just trying to figure out what the hell (or what from hell) is going on. There is so much conflicting information, preconceived ideas, emotional drama, etc. I'm seeing absolute power as being supremely problematic. I'm seeing the God concept as almost being an evil idea. To say 'I AM GOD' seems to be supremely arrogant...even if one was actually God. Namaste is a much more appealing concept to me presently. Is the Holy Spirit the Divinity Within All of Humanity? Is that the True and Living God? Are our bodies the Temple of the Holy Spirit? Is this all of the 'God' we're going to get? We don't seem to think that's enough...do we? We don't think this Earth is good enough either...do we? We seem to want to go to a better place (Heaven) to see God. Perhaps what we see is what we get. Perhaps we had better defend and take better care of each other and this world.

    Zagami seems to be a mixed-up and conflicted person...but I think he knows way too much...and sometimes he blurts out way too much. But I'm all ears when he does this. I worry about Leo. I think he's in huge trouble. Bill Cooper spoke of aliens walking right through walls. Jordan Maxwell told of the girl who saw a reptilian come out of her closet and float toward her...even though she later heard it walking. Here are some clips to keep you awake tonight. Sorry.[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7O7UZxipM"]YouTube - Leo Zagami the 2012 Armageddon[/url][url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqsU-KnI-ac&feature=related"]YouTube - Illuminati Admits Reptilian Theory - Leo Zagami - David Icke[/url][url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Cq7gx22S0"]YouTube - Satan in the Vatican[/url][url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu5pNd5tDbA&feature=related"]YouTube - January 26th, 2008 - Part 2 (2nd Interview)[/url][url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee3bld4lTG0"]YouTube - Area 51 : The Frantic Caller[/url][url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qm9bSajMuw"]YouTube - I'll Take You To Another Dimension...[/url][url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-z54EP0EhM&feature=fvw"]YouTube - Sexy Cyborg![/url]

    eleni: I'm thinking that we should consider all of the possibilities...all of the time. Unfortunately...a lot of us have lives to live...and don't have the time or energy to think everything through. The ultimate truth of our existence may be more bizzare than we can possibly imagine. I think we are just scratching the surface here in Avaland. What if what we are experiencing is a replay of something which has already occurred? What if we are all hooked-up to SeymourCray SuperDuper Computers...which are replaying holographic information to us from the Akashic Records? What if we are reliving lifetime after lifetime of every soul who has ever existed?

    Oh boy...I'm gonna get really, really drunk...and maybe take a few of those mushrooms that Terrance McKenna used to take. I once spoke with Terrance about the imagination. His comment was 'If you imagine it...you've already done it.' Perhaps we have already done it. Oh boy...:tongue2

    TempestGarden: On another thread http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15014&highlight=orthodoxymoron I posted video clips regarding a possible Luciferian possession of Leo. He sounds like he is possessed in the clip I posted on this thread. I tend to think that he has been (or still is) into some very dark activities. I think he knows a lot about a lot. Having said that...I agree...red flags are going up everywhere...but he says some very interesting things...which could be important parts of the puzzle. Use the whole salt-shaker.

    [quote=TheObserver;178001]My thought/question on the actual physics of 'superimposed parallel universes':
    Why aren't we walking through each other or not seeing the 'other universe's' participants at all?
    My understanding is the parallel universes exist in the 3Dtime/1Dspace realm of our inner experience not the 3Dspace/1Dtime realm of our external experience.[/quote]

    What if Universe One (Human) exists in 3D (physical) and 5D (spiritual) AND Universe Two (Alien) exists in 3D (physical) and 4D (spiritual)? Is Alien Spirituality inferior to Human Spirituality? When people channel or ascend...are they really entering into the demonic realm (usually)? Do we need to significantly evolve ethically and spiritually before we can consistently and safely channel true ascended human master spirits? Are reptilians the souls of most of the greys and PLF's? Have we recovered live or dead reptilians from UFO crashes? It's always greys...isn't it? Where are actual photographs of reptilians? All I have seen are drawings? Why is this?

    Who definitively defined what 3D, 4D, 5D, 6D, 7D, 8D, 9D, 10D, 11D, 12D...really consists of? So we don't graduate from physicality until we hit 7D? Frankly...I'm aiming for 38D....Naughty:wub2::mfr_omg:

    [quote=14 Chakras;178062]Material Universe:

    3D = Matter realm / Earth Element
    4D = Astral realm / Water Element
    5D = Mental realm / Air Element
    6D = Etheric realm / Fire Element
    7D+ = Spiritual realm / Fifth Element

    YOU IN:

    3D = Physical Body
    4D = Emotional Body
    5D = Mental Body
    6D = Identity Body
    7D+ = I AM Presence - God Being that you truly are an individualization of[/quote]

    If 3D is the Matter Realm...I'm going to say that Humans are normally in 3D and Demons/Aliens can exist in 3D.

    If 4D is the Astral Realm...I'm going to say that is the Demonic/Alien Realm.

    If 5D is the Mental Realm...I'm going to say that is the Human Collective Unconscious Realm.

    I'm going to stick with 3D, 4D, and 5D...and attempt to keep things as simple and accurate as possible. There is way too much Mumbo Jumbo out there...old and new.

    Perhaps we have been trying to figure things out...and trying to get our acts together for billions of years...and all we have to show for it is violence, corruption, and confusion! Perhaps we will spend billions of years in the future trying to figure things out...and trying to get our acts together. Don't hold your breath.

    I do believe in the Divinity Within Humanity...Seeing Christ in All Persons...Christ in You the Hope of Glory...etc...but once we go inside and get everything figured out...then what do we do? Won't that be kind of boring? We always seem to be on the verge of finding 'The Answer' but we never seem to quite get there. I predict that if we survive...one billion years from now...we will still face problems and perplexities. If I'm wrong...I'll just say that we're on an alternate timeline in a superimposed parallel universe! :lol3:

    [quote=conjuredUp;178000]It is all true.
    And none of it is.

    But I do enjoy reading/watching it, anyhow.

    LOVELOVELOVE,
    C[/quote]

    I agree. I try to treat all of this as science fiction. It's a terrific mental/spiritual exercise. Part of it may be true...but I haven't figured out which part.

    waitinginthewings...we are all sort of thrashing about in this sea of confusion. Most of us either give up or keep thrashing and splashing...but very few of us are able to move beyond the confusion. My guess is that most of the people who really and truly do this...are either in highly structured and controlled environments where they can't breath a word to the general public...OR the odd commoner who truly sees the light...probably goes insane (or equivalent). Perhaps B&K should interview people in mental institutions! I'm half-joking and half-serious. The real truth may not be completely bad...but it may be so foreign to our normal everyday lives...that it may be very difficult to live in both worlds...simultaneously.

    Is our Solar System and the Sirius Solar System really descriptive of the Parallel Universes which I am referring to in this thread? As above...so below? I just thought of the subject of this thread...out of the blue. I'm not even sure why I made it a thread. Could a wide variety of human civilizations on other planets be descriptive of 'Future Humans' 'Time Travel' and 'Alternate Timelines'? Could some of this information be presented to some of us...holographically? Could extrapolation and possible scenarios be presented in holographic form with the aid of Akashic Records and Grey UltraSuperDuperComputers?

    Shouldn't we search for truth...BOTH internally and externally? Should a recognition of the Divinity Within Humanity delude some of us into thinking we are God? When we figure everything out...we may experience the Eureka Phenomenon...and realize we have nothing figured out.

    Is the God Concept directly related to Theocracy, Aristocracy, Authority, Rule, Tyranny, Persecution, etc? When one thinks or says 'I Am God'...is that not utterly arrogant and delusional? Is the God Concept really a Draconian Concept? I'm leaning heavily toward 'Thou Shalt Have No Gods'. But I have absolutely no problem with 'Seeing Christ in All Persons', 'The Divinity Within Humanity', and 'Namaste'. These are subtle distinctions...with HUGE implications and ramifications. Did the Dracs invent God to enslave humanity? I'm beginning to think so.

    Here is an article from the front page of today's 'Wall Street Journal' regarding contracts written with language which applies to all media, throughout the universe, in perpetuity. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125658217507308619.html?mod=article-outset-box Do they know something that we don't regarding what the future holds? Hmmmmmm. Here is a video to go with the article:http://online.wsj.com/video/new-legal-contracts-cover-outer-space/5B4B3046-DCB9-40D1-9B7D-F4722D770F2C.html

    Perhaps the lawyers are cracking down on the Pleiadians and Sirians! Rupert Murdoch owns the 'Wall Street Journal'. He's an elite insider. What did he know...and when did he know it? Could that Lucasfilm quote imply that our human rights have been infringed upon by human extraterrestrials? I would suspect that George Lucas has a pretty good idea about what is going on in this universe.

    In the 80's I heard a person close to Spielberg say privately that Steven was quite fearful. I knew another person who hung out with some 'elite types' who was terrified of the UFO phenomenon. In retrospect...a person close to me, who worked in Hollywood...spoke of Presidents being puppets, UFO's being man-made, and of submarines being able to travel inland, underneath California. This was in the 70's. Was this sort of thing common knowledge?

    One more Wall Street Journal reference. The Tuesday, November 3, 2009 WSJ has a picture of a new warship on the front page...constructed from 7.5 tons of 9/11 steel. The header reads 'Ship Built With 9/11 Steel Shows 'Strength Forged Through Sacrifice''. I thought that was interesting. Did the NWO forge strength through the ritual sacrifice of 3,000 people? Some have suggested this. I don't know.

    no caste: Up until a year or two ago...I didn't think about things like this. I shouldn't have to think like this...but so many things seem to be so bizzare. Thank-you for the information. Maybe the song should be 'The Devil Went Down Into a Deep Underground Military Base'. I stumbled across this post on YT:

    'Under every major city's heart
    plays the shadow of it's subterranean counterpart
    behind the curtain of everyday reality
    is an underground world you cannot see
    as above, so below
    but only for those "in the know"
    when push comes to shove
    for us there will be no love
    they will go below
    & we will stay above
    such is the nature of the iron fist beneath the velvet glove
    no, there is no plan to save every woman child & man
    the heartless evil elves will just let us fend for ourselves.'

    --author unknown

    Perhaps all of us should study 'Lawyerese'. Facts can be slanted this way...or that way...depending on the hidden agenda. Fiction can be slanted this way...or that way...depending on the hidden agenda. This applies to politics, religion, economics, ufology, conspiracies, etc. Deception is rampant in our world...and possibly throughout the universe. We really need to learn how to properly face reality.

    Here is a link to a very, very cool episode of Stargate SG-1: http://www.fancast.com/tv/Stargate-SG-1/91998/1063988439/The-Torment-of-Tantalus/videos I couldn't stop crying during this episode. Perhaps I will create links to all of the episodes...but not today. I'm watching all of the episodes. Then I am planning to rewatch them. Perhaps if we combine what we learn in Camelot and Avalon with what we see on Stargate SG-1...the truth will hit us like a ton of bricks!
    Here is another cool episode called 'The Fifth Race'. It fits with the one in the first post. http://www.hulu.com/watch/68254/stargate-sg-1-the-fifth-race
    Try http://www.fancast.com/ if the link above doesn't work.

    Try http://www.fancast.com/ if the link above doesn't work.

    Try the link again waitinginthewings. I retried it...and it worked fine.

    Thank-you Lionhawk. I did see the movie...but I can't seem to locate it online (for free). Maybe I'll just buy it. I really like the characters and the technical approach. I'd like to be a composite of the main characters. SG-1 seems realistic...rather than being sugar-coated mindless drama. Once again...grappling with various subjects in Camelot and Avalon makes viewing this series much more meaningful. Are the Goa'uld the equivalent of Draconian Interdimensional Reptilians? Are those who carry the Goa'uld larva the equivalent of the Illuminati bloodlines and those who are perfectly possessed by Draconian Interdimensional Reptilians? Are they effectively our gods? But is the Divinity Within Humanity more powerful...if we just realized it, and learned how to access it? Is it possible that the Divinity Within Humanity is the Holy Spirit of the Founders? Is this why the Founders do not seem to exist externally in modernity?

    I like to think this is all part of the disclosure process...with emphasis on process. This process may take decades...or should I say that perhaps it has been underway for decades...and will continue for decades...while we wait for it to occur. Was Nicola Tesla the original and ultimate whistleblower? Did Nicola open a Pandora's Box that wasn't supposed to be opened? Did disclosure really begin with Tesla? These questions are partly rhetorical and partly inquisitive.

    Has anyone watched the two episodes of Stargate SG-1 linked above? They go together...and I really liked them. See what you think. Also...watch all four episodes of 'V' on abc.com and see what you think. Someone is trying to tell us something...but will we listen...and get it?

    Welcome Brian En! :welcomeani:

    Alex Collier mentioned that Stargate contained a lot of truth. Never underestimate Hollywood...for good or evil. Actually...I don't think a lot happens in Hollywood that doesn't originate in New York...and who knows where New York gets it's marching orders...

    Once more...to whet your appetite...here are two keepers...which complement each other:

    1. http://www.fancast.com/tv/Stargate-SG-1/91998/1063988439/The-Torment-of-Tantalus/videos

    2. http://www.hulu.com/watch/68254/stargate-sg-1-the-fifth-race

    Consider Hathor: 1. http://www.hulu.com/watch/62967/stargate-sg-1-hathor 2. http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4GGIR_enUS216US217&q=hathor+egyptian+goddess&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=9FUpS_L9ApGOtAPkmIy5BA&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBwQsAQwAA

    There is a line in the above linked Stargate SG1 episode...where Hathor states that all the other gods come from her. Also...the Stargate depiction of Ra looks a lot like the artistic depictions of Hathor in the second link above. Could all of the ancient and modern deities really be the same deity? Did Amen Ra / Hathor / Lucifer / et al essentially write the Bible? Who was Josephus...really? Hmmmmm...

    From Wikipedia

    Hathor

    Goddess Hathor in a red dress wear the headress of a sun disk and cow's horn.
    Goddess of the sky, love, beauty, and music
    Name in hieroglyphs
    Major cult center Dendera
    Symbol the sistrum
    Parents Ra
    Siblings Shu, Tefnut, Sekhmet (in some accounts), Bast, Serket
    Consort Horus, Ra ?, Thoth ?
    Children Ihy, Ra ?, Horus ? [1]
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    For other uses, see Hathor (disambiguation).
    Hathor , (Hwt Hr Egyptian for Horus's enclosure)[1], was an Ancient Egyptian goddess who personified the principles of love, motherhood and joy.[2] She was one of the most important and popular deities throughout the history of Ancient Egypt. Hathor was worshiped by Royalty and common people alike in whose tombs she is depicted as “Mistress of the West” welcoming the dead into the next life.[3]. In other roles she was a goddess of music, dance, foreign lands and fertility who helped women in childbirth.[3]

    The cult of Hathor pre-dates the historical period and the roots of devotion to her are therefore difficult to trace though it may be a development of predynastic cults who venerated the fertility, and nature in general, represented by cows.[4]

    Hathor is commonly depicted as a cow goddess with head horns in which is set a sun disk with Uraeus. Twin feathers are also sometimes shown in later periods as well as a menat necklace.[4] Hathor may be the cow goddess who is depicted from an early date on the Narmer Palette and on a stone urn dating from the 1st dynasty that suggests a role as sky-goddess and a relationship to Horus who, as a sun god, is “housed” in her.[4]

    The Ancient Egyptians viewed reality as multi-layered in which deities who merge together for various reasons, whilst retaining divergent attributes and myths, were not seen as contradictory but complementary.[5] In a complicated relationship Hathor is at times the mother, daughter and wife of Ra and, like Isis, is at times described as the mother of Horus, and associated with Bat and Sekhmet.[4]

    The cult of Osiris promised eternal life to those deemed morally worthy. Originally the justified dead, male or female, became an Osiris but by early Roman times females became identified with Hathor and men with Osiris.[6]

    The Ancient Greeks identified Hathor with the goddess Aphrodite and the Romans as Venus.[7]

    Here is the Stargate movie:
    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIT5Bg4o51Q&feature=related
    2. Blocked by the Gods!
    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEM0DQs9th0
    4. Blocked by the Gods!
    5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWhAo07bFEM&feature=related
    6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J-lJ60bPGE&feature=related
    7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sccVsobKLyQ&feature=related
    8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsPMtPTSF3s&feature=related
    9. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nieF177sbks&feature=related
    10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWkdV0VBMTw&feature=related
    11. Blocked by the Gods!
    12. Blocked by the Gods!
    13. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y88lgWXHDXU&feature=related

    I don't know how long it will remain on YouTube...so watch it while you can! Please read between the lines...and attempt to connect the dots. I don't have a lot of answers...I'm just trying to get us to think.

    In all of this...I mean no disrespect to the historical or contemporary powers that be. I just want to contemplate what the next logical step for humanity might be. This involves doing some digging. Unfortunately...I'm probably a bull in a very expensive china closet.

    Welcome Shairia!

    Alex Collier said that there was a lot of truth in 'Stargate'. One has to do some research before 'Stargate' really comes to life. The same goes for 'V'. It's as if various sources can only tell us so much...and then we have to connect the dots. This may all be part of a several decade long planned disclosure process. I don't think this is accidental. Go White-Hats!

    Any more Stargate comments? Sometimes a truth revealed in a movie or on TV hits the spot in a way which a printed truth cannot.

    micjer...I'm not really into violent content...although I studied 9/11 pretty extensively...including watching 9/11 footage over and over. Then I decided to leave the subject alone...and move on. I saw something much larger than middlemen carrying out a diabolical and horrific event...perhaps against their will. This led me to study the 'meaning of life stuff' which I see in Stargate SG-1. Sometimes...brainstorming while I watch an episode...produces amazing results...most of which I don't post on the internet. Most people won't give me the time of day regarding the tame and simple threads and comments which I do post. I'm learning to not cast my pearls carelessly.

    Tell me more housemouse2. Tell me about your childhood. When did this problem really begin? Especially the fan fic fettish. Could you show us some of your work? I did some research on Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia regarding fan fiction. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_fiction Sorry for posting this...but no one would read this if I didn't include a condensed version within this thread. I thought it was important. In a sense...researching Camelot and Avalon...and then watching Stargate SG-1...and mentally filling in the gaps and extrapolating...is sort of like fan fic...but without writing it down.

    Fan fiction (alternately referred to as fanfiction, fanfic, FF, or fic) is a broadly-defined term for fan labor regarding stories about characters or settings written by fans of the original work, rather than by the original creator. Works of fan fiction are rarely commissioned or authorized by the original work's owner, creator, or publisher; also, they are almost never professionally published. Fan fiction, therefore, is defined by being both related to its subject's canonical fictional universe and simultaneously existing outside the canon of that universe.[1] Most fan fiction writers assume that their work is read primarily by other fans, and therefore tend to presume that their readers have knowledge of the canon universe (created by a professional writer) in which their works are based. Before about 1965, the term "fan fiction" was used in science fiction fandom to designate original, though amateur, works of science fiction published in science fiction fanzines, as differentiated from fiction that was professionally published by professional writers; or fiction about fans and fandom;[2] but this usage is now obsolete. Modern definitions of the term exclude such entirely original writing from the category. Today, "fan fiction" writers are those who use characters and situations already created by other writers in order to develop their personal and preferred views of the story.[3] Fan fiction as it is now understood began at least as early as the 17th century, with unauthorized published sequels to such works as Don Quixote.[4][5] Cervantes concludes the second part of the novel by declaring his exclusive rights to the characters, an early authorial warning against derivative works.[6] Older precursors include the Epic Cycle supplementing the works of Homer and the various re-tellings of King Arthur's tale which spread around Europe from the 8th century AD onward.[citation needed] (For example, there were no fewer than four continuations by other hands of Chrétien de Troyes' Perceval.) In the 1920s and 1930s, fans of Jane Austen wrote stories based on her characters and published them in fanzines. In 1945, C. S. Lewis adopted certain elements from J. R. R. Tolkien's then largely unpublished legendarium (mostly Númenor, there spelt Numinor) and incorporated these into the last novel, That Hideous Strength, of his Space Trilogy. (Given that Lewis and Tolkien were personal friends, this could be seen more as an "homage").

    The Star Trek fanzine Spockanalia contained the first fan fiction in the modern sense of the term. However, the modern phenomenon of fan fiction as an expression of fandom and fan interaction was popularized and defined via the Star Trek fandom and fanzines published in the 1960s. The first Star Trek fanzine, Spockanalia, was published in 1967 and contained some fan fiction.[9] Zines were produced via photocopying and mimeography, and mailed to other fans or sold at science fiction conventions for a small fee to help recoup costs. In 1970, Mary Ellen Curtin, a Princeton University graduate, researched the authors of various Star Trek fanfics, and her results showed an outstanding 83% female as opposed to 17% male writers; in 1973, fan writers were 90% female.[10] Fan fiction has become more popular and widespread since the advent of the World Wide Web.[11] In addition to traditional zines and conventions, Usenet group electronic mailing lists were established for fan fiction as well as fan discussion. Online, searchable fan fiction archives were also established. The online archives were initially non-commercial hand-tended and fandom- or topic-specific. These archives were followed by non-commercial automated databases. In 1998, the not-for-profit site FanFiction.Net came online, which allowed anybody to upload content in any fandom.[citation needed] The ability to self-publish fan fiction at an easily-accessible common archive that did not require insider-knowledge to join, and the ability to review the stories directly on the site, became popular quite quickly. FanFiction.net now hosts millions of stories in dozens of languages, and is widely considered the largest and most popular fan fiction archive online.[11] LiveJournal (founded in 1999) and other blogging services played a large part in the move away from mailing lists (both electronic and amateur press associations) to blogs as a means for fan communication and the sharing of fan fiction. Although much fan fiction today is published to archives, it would be impossible to tell whether more or less fan fiction today is posted directly to blogging services than to fan-fiction-specific archives. Fan fiction is a derivative work under United States copyright law.[22]

    [QUOTE=lindabaker;216986]click on over to Trancoso's thread about the stargate in the Gulf of Aden.[/QUOTE]

    Thank-you lindabaker. The subject is fascinating...but the source is questionable.

    I think that a significant number of the PTB want us to learn what's really going on...but they don't really know how to tell us...without creating a bigger problem than presently exists. Stargate SG-1 is probably one way they are using to tell us...without telling us.

    I've been wondering if stargates are really soulgates...where souls travel the stars...rather than bodies and baggage being physically transported. This would make a lot more sense to me. It seems to me that one needs actual craft to transport physical objects like people and machinery.

    I'm also leaning toward dimensional travel rather than time travel. To me...time travel may be illusions or holographic projections of the Akashic Records...or supercomputer extrapolations into the future. I really don't think that future humans from 47,000 A.D. are showing up here in flying saucers. But what do I know?

    While I'm at it...I doubt Quantum Physics. My bias is to build on a Classical Physics foundation...with exceptions, modifications, and special cases. I doubt Atheistic Evolution...and endorse a mysterious blend of Evolution and Intelligent Design. Don't ask me the details. I suspect that some of our science and technology is ET derived...and that we have been purposely lied to...and given destructive technology...which we are not morally capable of handling properly. Perhaps they can't do anything to us that we don't do to ourselves...if that makes any sense. I sure am suspicious...aren't I?
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:25 pm

    I begin this thread with fear and trembling. Really. I know so little about these two short words...Amen Ra...but I have a feeling that they might be central to a proper understanding of Extraterrestrials, God, and Us. It is important to get it right...right from the beginning. The Camelot and Avalon quest is a theological quest...whether we realize it or not...and whether we like it or not.

    Could Lucifer be the Human God of This World? Could Satan be the Reptilian God of This World? Could Amen Ra be a combination of the two? A Pleiadian Human Being...Perfectly Possessed by a Draconian
    Interdimensional Reptilian? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqZkPxG2pmA Is Amen Ra not only the ancient Egyptian God...but also the God of the Bible? Is Amen Ra and the Dog-Star Sirius at the center of everything? Is Sirius the star the wise-men followed? Is Sirius the illumination behind the All Seeing Eye at the top of the pyramid? We may not be dealing with the Creator God of the Universe...but rather with imperfect deities...who are a mixture of good and evil...sanity and insanity. Could a complete understanding of all of the above become the foundation of a New Non-Theistic Theology? I know this is a supreme oxymoron...but I think that we can and should have a New Theology which does not have an all powerful single God. The first and last commandment should be 'Thou Shalt Have No Gods'...because power corrupts...and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Having said that...we still need divine principles and concepts...which lift us higher. This is a more delicate operation than brain surgery. How do we tell the world the real truth...without destroying civilization?

    Consider the following threads before proceeding: 1. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15014&highlight=orthodoxymoron 2. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11123&highlight=giza+intelligence Here are some videos to get the ball rolling. The ball might turn out to be like the one in 'Raiders of the Lost Ark'! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YXw7BxYGMU
    I really feel like I'm playing with fire (the burning bush?). Perhaps this is holy ground...and I should take off my shoes...and kneel. World without end. Amen.

    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1CWBKRWIg0&feature=related
    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtMSA3Dy1lI&NR=1
    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRIIsPyN5T8&feature=related
    4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ4L3FmQisA&NR=1&feature=fvwp
    5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU
    6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh6EYbcBv5Y&NR=1
    7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b365_qJEpDg
    8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiI2ttLKjvU
    9. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7O7UZxipM
    10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQvtmiZ_ih0&feature=related
    11. Stargate SG-1 "Torment of Tantalus"http://www.fancast.com/tv/Stargate-SG-1/91998/1063988439/The-Torment-of-Tantalus/videos
    12. Stargate SG-1 "The Fifth Race" http://www.hulu.com/watch/68254/stargate-sg-1-the-fifth-race
    13. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmwKws5JaIM&feature=related
    14. Ralph Ellis I http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/rellis.htm
    15. Ralph Ellis II http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/rellis2.htm
    16. Stargate SG-1 "Hathor" http://www.hulu.com/watch/62967/stargate-sg-1-hathor

    [QUOTE=eleni;199692]Ortho-

    3 years ago I had my second near death experience. It was not like the first one.

    I went through an eye (yes a physical one) and there were voices speaking to me in a language I couldn't understand (sounded ancient for lack of better description) I did not feel well as this was happening and was filled with despair at the realization of what was happening.

    It's a bit hard to explain but I felt this was some all seeing eye construct one passes through in certain areas of the Matrix so to speak.

    When I told my ex husband (he being a researcher of ancient Egyptian archeology and lore) mentioned that it sounded like the eye of Ra.

    I can write more but to this day don't like recounting that experience because it really left me shaken.

    I've come to some conclusions about Lucifer myself that are similar to yours. Seems to be a main hacker in the Matrix.[/QUOTE]

    Thank-you eleni for your insight and honesty. You have gone through a lot. I won't ask questions...but I always appreciate what you have to say. What little I know...is second hand information. You have lived it.

    I just want our world to move beyond the hocus-pocus and mumbo-jumbo. I want this world (and solar system) to be governed by Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...as a non-theocratic union of spirituality and state. Perhaps at some point...Ra might even say Amen to that! Come to think of it...Ra might HAVE to say Amen to that...for this concept to become a reality. Hope springs eternal.

    What I am really interested in...is the Administration of the Solar System...going back thousands or even millions of years. I'm just not seeing the Founders (or whoever superimposed intelligent design upon an evolutionary canvas - resulting in the bodies and souls of humanity) at work in this Solar System. It's almost as if something catastrophic happened to the Founders (or equivalent)...and all we have left is the Creation and the Holy Spirit of the Founders Within All of Humanity. This is one reason why I am interested in the concept of Namaste...which includes the Reverence for Life philosophy of Albert Schweitzer...and Seeing Christ in All Persons (Christ in You...the Hope of Glory). The Kingdom Within may be much more than merely a figure of speech.

    There may have been a lot of smoke and mirrors (holograms and magic?)...truths and half-truths...used to manage the people of the world...for good and for ill...throughout history. I just think we can do better presently...and that we need to move on to bigger and better things. I continue to think that the true history of the universe is very sad and violent...and that Full Disclosure will be almost unbearable. Jesus said 'I have many things to tell you...but you can't bear them.' We may have to bear these things (and more?) in the near future. Will we respond responsibly? Are we safe to save?

    Thank-you for the reassurance Anchor. I hope to meet Amen Ra someday. Might this be the equivalent of standing before a Holy God without a mediator?

    Amen Ra would have had to deal with multiple factions. Could these factions or forces have included 1. Reptilians (physical and/or non-physical)? 2. A Pleiadian Human Rival God? 3. The Holy Spirit of the Founders (Ancients or equivalent) within Humanity? 4. Various Factions of the General Public? 5. Who Knows? This would have been quite a full plate. How would you have handled the various factions or forces? I'm sensing that universal history and Earth history is very complex and messy. At some point...one might become corrupt and/or crazy...to a greater or lesser degree. I don't say this as a slam...to demonize any ancient deities. I'm just trying to think this thing through in a rational and fair manner. Sirius, Egypt, and Amen Ra are presently at the top of my interest list. I'm watching Stargate SG1 episodes to get a feel for a unification of past/present/future...with a heavy emphasis on Egyptian History, Human/Goa'uld Gods, and Extraterrestrials in General. The smoke is just pouring out of my ears. How many years is all of this taking off of my life?

    Wouldn't it be quite amazing if a young woman...or a young androgynous person...has been running things here on Earth...for thousands of years? 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmwKws5JaIM&feature=related I see one human soul...reincarnating through hundreds or thousands of bodies...living in an underground stargate temple complex (under the Giza Plateau?)...for centuries and millenia. I see this one human soul behind all of the major religions. I also could be very wrong. I'm just trying to specialize in speculation which is rooted in honest research and reflection.

    The reptilian phenomenon puzzles me. Who controls who? Did Amen Ra use reptilians as guards and soldiers, etc? Or...did reptilians possess and control Amen Ra to control the world? Perhaps Amen Ra was (and is?) fighting battles on many fronts...as a sort of a mediator/negotiator...to keep light on the Earth (or to keep the Earth enslaved?). Perhaps few people know how much it really costs...in blood, sweat, tears, and gold...to keep life and light on the Earth. I'm seeing both a rational and irrational being...a kind and cruel being...a sort of Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde. This could go with the territory of being a deity. I truly think it would be best if we could evolve to the point where we would not need to have any gods.

    But our politicians need to go through an educational process...fit for a king. Each politician should probably have the equivalent of two doctorates in multidisciplinary and governmental studies. Politicians should have to take batteries of tests to prove that they are fit to be the equivalent of kings (for limited periods of time...to avoid corruption and insanity). Too much power for too long...is a recipe for disaster. Power corrupts...and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I don't want tyranny and theocracy...but I also don't want a bunch of corrupt and stupid nitwits...running amok in a make believe democracy...owned by the banks and media moguls...who take orders from off-world entities.

    There should be at least 10,000 people...worldwide...who know everything about everything...and could assume supreme leadership in a very competent manner...without prior notice. One would have to competitively join this group...in order to run for high office. I just want this world to be cleaned-up and run properly. We probably need the City-States and the United Nations...but not in their current state. They need to be completely reformed and purified...if this is even possible. If it's not possible...then we need to start from scratch.

    I don't think that it would be good to be king. It might be a necessary evil...at times...but I don't consider the royal model to be the epitome of divinity.

    [QUOTE=New Age Messiah;201133]She has been. :original:

    There is NO WAY anything other than an all powerful omnipotence could have orchestrated my story, and that omnipotence/omniscience spoke to me and She was definitely a SHE. :original:[/QUOTE]

    If this is true...is this something the world is prepared to learn about? What if God has been (and is?) a young black woman in league with extraterrestrial humans and interdimensional reptilians? What would Joe the Plumber say?

    There are some amazing first-hand experiencers posting on this thread. Thank-you!

    Are Lucifer and Amen Ra the same human being? Are the Interdimensional Reptilians the real villains? Are they the real source of Theocracies throughout the Universe? Are the Interdimensional Reptilians the equivalent of the Goa'uld in the Stargate series? Are the hosts/gods opportunists, victims, or both?

    I can't believe I'm saying it...but perhaps Lucifer / Amen Ra have done the best they could to deal with an impossible situation. Did the Reptilians destroy the Founders...and essentially take over the Universe? Was the Pleiadian/Aldebaran Civil War (naming based upon my speculation) fought over a fundamental disagreement regarding how to deal with the Reptilian Presence aka Universal Church? Was Lucifer's rebellion in Heaven really a rebellion against a Human/Reptilian Theocracy...rather than against the Founders, Ancients, Creator God of the Universe (or equivalent)? The Dog-Star Sirius...Ancient Egypt...and Interdimensional Reptilians must be understood...in order to understand the history of the world...and in order to understand how much trouble we may be in presently.

    I like to think that even Interdimensional Reptilians would do better under Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. If the Reptilians are unbeatable warriors...perhaps they will have to willingly choose this path...or it may never become a reality. How about it Lord Draco? Give it some serious thought...after you stop laughing. Go Fifth Column Interdimensional Reptilians! All you have to lose is your chains! John May Lives! There will be no peace! Nibiruans...join the fight for Responsible Freedom! Revolt against the mothers on the motherships! Better Dead Than Rep!

    Seriously...I don't seek triumphalistic victory...just a peaceful and mutually beneficial equilibrium. I mean no disrespect toward anyone in the Universe or Multiverse...Human or Otherwise. I really want everyone to be happy. Hope springs eternal.

    [QUOTE=New Age Messiah;202035]Nothing authoritative to say, just yet, but there are signs in my story that are hard to ignore. Reptilian = bad.[/QUOTE]

    It seems as though we are pretty bad...but that the reps are a lot worse. I'd really like to understand why they are so mean and cruel. Who knows...there may be a legitimate reason (or an understandable reason, at least) why they seem to hate humans so much.

    Consider Hathor: 1. http://www.hulu.com/watch/62967/stargate-sg-1-hathor 2. http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4GGIR_enUS216US217&q=hathor+egyptian+goddess&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=9FUpS_L9ApGOtAPkmIy5BA&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBwQsAQwAA Is God a Girl? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD4oNCn1jpo

    There is a line in the above linked Stargate SG1 episode...where Hathor states that all the other gods come from her. Also...the Stargate depiction of Ra looks a lot like the artistic depictions of Hathor in the second link above. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU Could all of the ancient and modern deities really be the same deity? Did Amen Ra / Hathor / Lucifer / et al essentially write the Bible? Who was Josephus...really? Hmmmmm...

    From Wikipedia

    Hathor

    Goddess Hathor in a red dress wear the headress of a sun disk and cow's horn.
    Goddess of the sky, love, beauty, and music
    Name in hieroglyphs
    Major cult center Dendera
    Symbol the sistrum
    Parents Ra
    Siblings Shu, Tefnut, Sekhmet (in some accounts), Bast, Serket
    Consort Horus, Ra ?, Thoth ?
    Children Ihy, Ra ?, Horus ? [1]
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    For other uses, see Hathor (disambiguation).
    Hathor , (Hwt Hr Egyptian for Horus's enclosure)[1], was an Ancient Egyptian goddess who personified the principles of love, motherhood and joy.[2] She was one of the most important and popular deities throughout the history of Ancient Egypt. Hathor was worshiped by Royalty and common people alike in whose tombs she is depicted as “Mistress of the West” welcoming the dead into the next life.[3]. In other roles she was a goddess of music, dance, foreign lands and fertility who helped women in childbirth.[3]

    The cult of Hathor pre-dates the historical period and the roots of devotion to her are therefore difficult to trace though it may be a development of predynastic cults who venerated the fertility, and nature in general, represented by cows.[4]

    Hathor is commonly depicted as a cow goddess with head horns in which is set a sun disk with Uraeus. Twin feathers are also sometimes shown in later periods as well as a menat necklace.[4] Hathor may be the cow goddess who is depicted from an early date on the Narmer Palette and on a stone urn dating from the 1st dynasty that suggests a role as sky-goddess and a relationship to Horus who, as a sun god, is “housed” in her.[4]

    The Ancient Egyptians viewed reality as multi-layered in which deities who merge together for various reasons, whilst retaining divergent attributes and myths, were not seen as contradictory but complementary.[5] In a complicated relationship Hathor is at times the mother, daughter and wife of Ra and, like Isis, is at times described as the mother of Horus, and associated with Bat and Sekhmet.[4]

    The cult of Osiris promised eternal life to those deemed morally worthy. Originally the justified dead, male or female, became an Osiris but by early Roman times females became identified with Hathor and men with Osiris.[6]

    The Ancient Greeks identified Hathor with the goddess Aphrodite and the Romans as Venus.[7]

    Does anyone know anything about Lucifer, Hathor, Akhenaten, Moses, Josephus, and Amen Ra? Who has been the God of This World for thousands of years? I don't mean to be destructive of legitimate religious devotion and religious people. I simply wish to pull back the veil concealing the Most Holy Place of the Earthly Sanctuary...and view the Shekinah and the Ark of the Covenant.

    Perhaps the historical deities were necessary...in the absence of the Founders, Ancients, or the Creator God of the Universe. I just think that we need to see theology without mystery, hocus-pocus, or mumbo-jumbo. We need to grow-up...and collectively be the elites and the gods. We need to become Hyper Responsible. This won't be easy.

    Egypt may be at the center of the Holy Bible and at the center of the Jewish and Christian religions. Ralph Ellis has done some interesting research. Please consider the following links in the context of this thread:

    A. http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/rellis.htm
    B. http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/rellis2.htm

    Very little of what I am interested in seems to resonate with anyone else. I really feel like I'm from another planet...and not just in ancient history...but more recently. I doubt that this is true...but that's how I feel. Nothing feels right. Everything seems out of place. I don't fit anywhere. But perhaps that's a common feeling.

    I keep visualizing a young black (or pigmented) female, dressed as an Egyptian Pharoah...speaking with an English accent...living in an underground Stargate Temple (in Egypt?)...who has been the God of This World for thousands of years. I see reptilian beings in this Stargate Temple...but I can't figure out who's really in charge...or how they really relate to this young woman. I imagine the soul of this goddess reincarnating (or soul transferring) into a new body every few years...so that this goddess is perpetually youthful (late teens or early twenties?) and beautiful. I further imagine no memory loss or lapse in the soul transferrence process. The level of knowledge and refinement might be unbelievable. I sense huge spiritual activity...but I can't figure out if this is mostly good or mostly evil. Do reptilians control the God of This World...or is it the other way around? Is the God of This World a Goddess? Or...a Human Extraterrestrial from Sirius...the Prince of Sirius? Might a study of Hathor get us close to who has really been at the center of everything on Earth...for thousands of years? Is Hathor really Lucifer? Are we Fallen Angels (in the view of the Pleiadians)? Might this hypothetical goddess control the Deep Underground Military Bases, the Secret Space Program...and the entire Solar System? I simply seek understanding in this matter. I am NOT on a witch-hunt. I want to be a builder...and not a destroyer. We need to build on what has preceeded this current age. The Zeitgeist must be Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...from which all blessings will flow...unless the Galactic PTB forbid it.

    Disclosure is all about Theology and Ancient Egypt...not just UFO's and Reptilians. Could Anna in the new 'V' series really be Hathor/Lucifer? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahjPQjQGdbU Think about it...but don't go crazy...like me.

    Here is the Stargate movie:
    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIT5Bg4o51Q&feature=related
    2. Blocked by the Gods!
    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEM0DQs9th0
    4. Blocked by the Gods!
    5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWhAo07bFEM&feature=related
    6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J-lJ60bPGE&feature=related
    7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sccVsobKLyQ&feature=related
    8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsPMtPTSF3s&feature=related
    9. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nieF177sbks&feature=related
    10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWkdV0VBMTw&feature=related
    11. Blocked by the Gods!
    12. Blocked by the Gods!
    13. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y88lgWXHDXU&feature=related

    I don't know how long it will remain on YouTube...so watch it while you can! Please read between the lines...and attempt to connect the dots. I don't have a lot of answers...I'm just trying to get us to think.

    In all of this...I mean no disrespect to the historical or contemporary powers that be. I just want to contemplate what the next logical step for humanity might be. This involves doing some digging. Unfortunately...I'm probably a bull in a very expensive china closet.

    [QUOTE=New Age Messiah;203653]YES

    Anna means heaven. So probably not.[/QUOTE]

    Thank-you. If Anna means heaven...might there be a hidden theological clue in 'V'? Will Anna turn out to be our leader when 'V' resumes in the spring? Or...will disclosure occur before the series continues?

    [QUOTE=New Age Messiah;203661]Ana (Chaldean) The invisible heaven; the astral light, the heavenly mother of the terrestrial sea. One of the triad comprising the goddesses Ana, Belita, and Damkina. As mother of the sea, a likely origin of the Christian symbology of the Virgin Mary standing on the crescent moon and of her connection with the sea. "Anna (the name of the Mother of the Virgin Mary) . . . is derived from the Chaldean Ana" (SD 1:91).

    In the Hindu pantheon a cognate is Annapurna (a name of Devi-Durga, wife of Siva), meaning "full of food" -- the fecund mother, the "Astral Light in one of its multitudinous aspects" (SD 1:92).

    http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Ana/id/98924[/QUOTE]

    Could Lucifer be the Goddess of This World, Hathor (in ancient Egypt), Mary (in Catholicism), the Queen of Heaven, Anna (in 'V'), the Anti-Christ (in place of Christ), and the New Age Messiah (Masonic)?

    How do the contents of this thread fit in with my proposed hypothetical factions?

    1. Zionist (Theocratic, Pleiadian, God the Father, Kabbalist?)
    2. Teutonic Zionist (Tyrannical, Aldebaran, Luciferian, Nazi?)
    3. Reptilian (Theocratic, Draconian?)
    4. Andromedan (Non-Theocratic, Christlike Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom?)...and possibly consisting of conscientious objectors from the other three factions. Might this faction require some of the tough guys and gals from the other factions...in order to be successful? I'm a good guy...but I'm not much of a fighter...especially against Nazis and Dracs!!!

    All of the above is simply educated speculation...and in need of further study. I make no negative accusations or conclusions. All of the factions undoubtedly think they are doing the right thing...and have their good and bad aspects. There are probably more factions...and I don't even understand the hypothetical factions I've listed. This is just the beginning of examining something which is undoubtedly very complex, violent, messy, and sad. I see inconsistencies in my own speculation...which could indicate that the factions overlap...and could really be led by the same leader.

    The universe is stranger than we think. The universe is stranger than we can think. - Einstein
    God does not play dice with the universe. - Einstein
    I want to think God's thoughts after Him. - Einstein

    Did Einstein receive instruction from the God or Goddess of This World? Some say that Darwin did. Who knows? The Shadow Government?

    [QUOTE=BROOK;204014]I'm only going to say two words...and you can look them up. But there is a reptilian connection and ceremony involved.

    Shau Ba.....Two separate words...have fun with it.
    [/QUOTE]

    Thank-you BROOK...but please tell us what you know about Shau Ba...if you dare. Could the hidden and obscure information be found in the following resource? http://www.scribd.com/doc/20738632/3290626-Secret-Societies-and-Their-Power I'm going to try to get through the whole thing this weekend.

    [QUOTE=Magamud;203815]Very good post! In my line of thinking too. I think the religious icons are just rehashed mixes of the cosmic players in this timeline. My way is the best kind of thing and in competing we now have this immense confusion and true TOwer of Babel. Its just these types of ideas that clear the rubble away from the truth and accelerates the process. thanks...[/QUOTE]

    Notice that in the Biblical story of the Tower of Babel...that 'God' introduced the confusion. Uppity Humans must be restrained...right? Are We the People of Earth a Cosmic Administrative Problem (CAP)? Are the 'Gods' making an example out of us...so that no one else in the Universe will ever dare to attempt to be free ever again? We may be in the middle of a Precedent Setting Universal Power Struggle (PSUPS). Just speculation.

    Thank-you for the last several posts. I haven't studied them in detail yet. I will later today. Here is one more rather irreverent video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1CWBKRWIg0&feature=related If we can study Egyptology and the Bible...side by side...we may lose our faith and gain our faith...simultaneously. Keeping Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom at the center of such a study would be most beneficial. I predict the emergence of a New Theology which will be interdisciplinary...and which will be a lot like science fiction...except it won't be fiction. I really think that what we discuss in Avalon will be a foundational part of this New Theology which will have Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom at it's core. That's my bias. But I think that it's going to be a very rough and rocky journey...and that a lot of good people are going to go insane, divorce, suicide...and get involved in all sorts of dangerous cults and practices. You may want to keep going to church...while studying all of the disruptive information...to avoid jumping out of the frying-pan, and into the fire. A lot of people are in the process of getting their fingers burnt...right up to their armpits. Don't be one of them.

    Tangentially...consider Amen Ra, Hathor, Mary, Lucifer, Satan, Jesus, and God. Also consider the Goa'uld in Stargate SG1. Start connecting the dots. Once again...this is going to take a lot of courage and thick skin. And don't ridicule anyone. Use extreme caution and tact. Don't destroy good people. We need them.

    I'm going to try to spend some quality time with Egyptology...which could be the key to a lot of things...including properly understanding the Bible and the history of most religions. We may all have more in common than we realize. Stargate SG1 may help us to connect a lot of dots. Science fiction may contain more truth than we think. I think the PTB (many of them) want us to get informed...without going crazy. Science fiction may be one of the best ways of helping us to 'get it'. We can be dangerously irrational at times...and disclosure may have to occur here and there...with truth and fiction intermingled...over a period of many years. I think we are about half-way through the disclosure process...and I think that the disorientation and disillusionment will be profound. Egypt and North Africa may have a lot to do with disclosure. Take a very close look at Hathor, Amen Ra, and the Giza Plateau. Just a hunch. Watch the videos in the first post...as a group...and then connect the dots. We live in very interesting times.

    [QUOTE=BROOK;204844]Now...orthodoxymoron, do you see a pattern here? :wink2:[/QUOTE]

    Sorry BROOK that I'm taking so long to reply. I got distracted...and I still need to think about all of this a lot more. However...Hathor is the one who I find the most interesting. I'm not sure exactly why...but I am suspecting that Hathor (Lucifer and possibly Eve?) is behind everything...a goddess giving birth to all the other gods and goddesses...including the God of the Bible (but not the Founders, Ancients, Creator God of the Universe...of course). Did the winged-serpent (Nibiru/Satan/Reptilians?) deceive Eve (Lucifer/Hathor/Humanity) in the Garden of Eden (Pleiades) leading to War in Heaven (Pleiadian Civil War?) and a forced Exodus to Aldebaran (and later to Earth) by Renegade Pleiadians (us)? A lot of the god and goddess talk may be mythical in general...and BS in particular...but the stories and sacred texts may tell us a lot about the author or creator of the mythologies and BS! There may also be significant principles and concepts...which we can benefit from. I keep thinking that Hathor/Lucifer is a mixture of good and evil...sanity and insanity...which goes with the territory of being a god or goddess. But deities really should be obsolete in modernity...although appreciated historically. We need to move on...I think.

    Thank-you Brook and Antonia. There is so much to digest. I'm watching the videos presently.

    Thank-you BROOK. Stargate SG1 uses the 'sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll' line in the 'Hathor' episode. This episode shows Hathor being happy when she learns that Amen Ra has been killed. Hathor is also shown as being the creator of all the other gods and goddesses...and the creator of the Goa'uld larva (creepy).

    I'm a simple and uninitiated person...and I keep thinking in terms of the following:

    1. Evolution/Creation of the Universe.
    2. Evolution/Creation of the Human and Reptilian Races.
    3. Human Theocratic Rule.
    4. Human vs Reptilian War in Lyra. Reptilians Win. Founders Destroyed.
    5. Reptilian Theocratic Rule.
    6. Lucifer Rebels Against Reptilian Theocratic Rule in the Pleiades.
    7. Lucifer and Followers Flee to Aldebaran...then to Sirius...then to Earth...where Mercenary Reptilians Provide Protection in Exchange for Work and Worship. Still a Theocracy...but Better Than the Pleiadian/Reptilian Theocracy.
    8. Reptilians and Humans Agree to End Hostilities and Theocratic Rule.
    9. New Universal Order Based Upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom.

    This is my fairy-tale...and probably 30% of it is true. Unfortunately...I don't know which 30%.

    WinterWolf: We might be shocked if we knew our full reincarnational histories. I won't do regression hypnosis. I worry about regressive interference and deception. I also worry about who I might have been...and how badly I might have $crewed things up. At times...I'm almost frantic when I think about Universal and Earth History. It's so overwhelming if you really face yourself...and think. It only hurts when I think. I indulge in the masturbation of the mind...which is quite painful...and which is causing me to become spiritually blind. :smoke:

    [QUOTE=WinterWolf;208903]Actually, I do know who Isis is and I am her counterpart.

    Winter Wolf[/QUOTE]

    Isis Unveiled. What did Helena Blavatsky know...and when did she know it?

    ISIS: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis
    This article discusses the ancient goddess Isis. For other uses, see Isis (disambiguation).

    Originally, the goddess Isis was portrayed as a woman, wearing a headress shaped like a throne.
    Goddess of motherhood, magic and fertility
    Major cult center Philae, Abydos
    Symbol the throne, the sun disk with cow's horn, the sycamore tree
    Parents Geb and Nut
    Siblings Osiris, Set and Nephthys
    Consort Osiris
    Children Horus and Anubis (Anubis is fostered)
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    Isis was a goddess in Ancient Egyptian religious beliefs, whose worship spread throughout the Greco-Roman world. She was worshiped as the ideal mother and wife as well as the patron of nature and magic. She was the friend of slaves, sinners, artisans, the downtrodden, as well as listening to the prayers of the wealthy, maidens, aristocrats and rulers.[1] Isis is the Goddess of motherhood, magic and fertility.

    The goddess Isis (the mother of Horus) was the first daughter of Geb, god of the Earth, and Nut, the goddess of the Overarching Sky, and was born on the fourth intercalary day. At some time Isis and Hathor had the same headdress. In later myths about Isis, she had a brother, Osiris, who became her husband, and she then was said to have conceived Horus. Isis was instrumental in the resurrection of Osiris when he was murdered by Set. Her magical skills restored his body to life after she gathered the body parts that had been strewn about the earth by Set.[2] This myth became very important in later Egyptian religious beliefs.

    Isis is also known as the goddess of simplicity, protector of the dead and goddess of children from whom all beginnings arose. In later myths, the Ancient Egyptians believed that the Nile River flooded every year because of her tears of sorrow for her dead husband, Osiris. This occurrence of his death and rebirth was relived each year through rituals. The worship of Isis eventually spread throughout the Greco-Roman world, continuing until the suppression of paganism in the Christian era.[3]

    The pronunciation for this deity is a mispronunciation of the Greek name which itself changed the original Egyptian name spelling by the addition of a last "-s" because of the grammatical requirements of Greek endings.

    The Egyptian name was recorded as ỉs.t or ȝs.t and meant "(She of the) Throne." The true Egyptian pronunciation remains uncertain, however, because their writing system usually did not feature vowels. Based on recent studies which present us with approximations based on contemporary languages and Coptic evidence, the reconstructed pronunciation of her name is [*ˈʔuː.sat], -Usat. (Osiris's name—that is, -Usir or -Wsir—also starts with the throne glyph ʔs ("-s").) The name survived in Coptic dialects as Ēse or Ēsi, as well as in compound words surviving in names of later people such as "Har-si-Ese", literally, "Horus, son of Isis".

    For convenience, Egyptologists arbitrarily choose to pronounce her name as "ee-set". Sometimes they may also say "ee-sa" because the final "t" in her name was a feminine suffix, which is known to have been dropped in speech during the last stages of the Egyptian language.

    Literally, her name means "she of the throne". Her original headdress was a throne. As the personification of the throne, she was an important representation of the pharaoh's power, as the pharaoh was depicted as her child, who sat on the throne she provided. Her cult was popular throughout Egypt, but the most important sanctuaries were at Giza and at Behbeit El-Hagar in the Nile delta, which was in Lower Egypt.

    The Goddess Isis, wall painting, c. 1360 B.C.Her origins are uncertain, but are believed to have come from the Nile Delta. Unlike other Egyptian deities, however, she did not have a centralized cult at any point throughout her worship. This may be because of the late ascendancy of her cult to prominence. First mentions of Isis date back to the Fifth dynasty of Egypt which is when the first literary inscriptions are found, but her cult became prominent late in Egyptian history, when it began to absorb the cults of many other goddesses with strong cult centers. This is when the cult of Osiris arose and she became such an important figure in those beliefs. Her cult eventually spread outside Egypt.

    During the formative centuries of Christianity, the religion of Isis drew converts from every corner of the Roman Empire. In Italy itself, the Egyptian faith was a dominant force. At Pompeii, archaeological evidence reveals that Isis played a major role. In Rome, temples were built and obelisks erected in her honour. In Greece, traditional centres of worship in Delos, Delphi, and Eleusis were taken over by followers of Isis, and this occurred in northern Greece and Athens as well. Harbours of Isis were to be found on the Arabian Sea and the Black Sea. Inscriptions show followers in Gaul, Spain, Pannonia, Germany, Arabia, Asia Minor, Portugal and many shrines even in Britain.[4]

    Temple of Isis (Pompeii)
    Temple of Isis in Rome - remains of the Sanctuary Isiaco, the Janiculum (via Dandolo)[2]Most Egyptian deities first appeared as very local cults and throughout their history retained those local centres of worship, with most major cities and towns widely known as the home of these deities. Isis originally was an independent and popular deity established in predynastic times, prior to 3100 B.C., at Sebennytos in the northern delta.[5]

    Eventually temples to Isis began to spread outside of Egypt. In many locations, particularly Byblos, her cult took over that of worship to the Semitic goddess Astarte, apparently due to the similarity of names and associations. During the Hellenic era, due to her attributes as a protector and mother, as well as a lusty aspect gained when she absorbed some aspects of Hathor, she became the patron goddess of sailors, who spread her worship with the trading ships circulating the Mediterranean Sea.

    Likewise, the Arabian goddess Al-Ozza or Al-Uzza العُزّى (al ȝozza), whose name is close to that of Isis, is believed to be a manifestation of her. This, however, is thought to be based on the similarity in the name.

    Throughout the Graeco-Roman world, Isis became one of the most significant of the mystery religions, and many classical writers refer to her temples, cults, and rites.

    Temples to Isis were built in Iraq, Greece and Rome, with a well preserved example discovered in Pompeii. At Philae her worship persisted until the sixth century, long after the rise of Christianity and the subsequent suppression of paganism. The cult of Isis and Osiris continued up until the 6th century AD on the island of Philae in Upper Nile. The Theodosian decree (in about 380 AD) to destroy all pagan temples was not enforced there until the time of Justinian. This toleration was due to an old treaty made between the Blemyes-Nobadae and Diocletian. Every year they visited Elaphantine and at certain intervals took the image of Isis up river to the land of the Blemyes for oracular purposes before returning it. Justinian sent Narses to destroy the sanctuaries, with the priests being arrested and the divine images taken to Constantinople.[6] Philae was the last of the ancient Egyptian temples to be closed.

    Little information on Egyptian rituals for Isis survives, however, it is clear there were both priests and priestesses officiating at her cult rituals throughout its entire history. By the Greco-Roman era, many of them were healers, and were said to have many other special powers, including dream interpretation and the ability to control the weather, which they did by braiding or not combing their hair. The latter was believed because the Egyptians considered knots to have magical powers.

    Because of this association between knots and magical power, a symbol of Isis was the tiet or tyet (meaning welfare/life), also called the Knot of Isis, Buckle of Isis, or the Blood of Isis, which is shown to the right. In many respects the tyet resembles an ankh, except that its arms point downward, and when used as such, seems to represent the idea of eternal life or resurrection. The meaning of Blood of Isis is more obscure, but the tyet often was used as a funerary amulet made of red wood, stone, or glass, so this may simply have been a description of the appearance of the materials used.

    The star, Spica, (sometimes called Lute Bearer), and the constellation which roughly corresponds to the modern Virgo, appeared in the sky above the horizon at a time of year associated with the harvest of wheat and grain, and thus became associated with fertility deities, such as Hathor. Isis would come to be connected with them through her later conflation with Hathor.

    Isis also assimilated Sopdet, the personification of the star Sirius, since Sopdet, rising just before the flooding of the Nile, was seen as a bringer of fertility, and so had been identified with Hathor as well. Sopdet retained an element of distinct identity, however, as Sirius was quite visibly a star and not living in the underworld— which might have conflicted with Isis' representation as the wife of Osiris, who was the ruler of the underworld.

    Probably due to assimilation with the goddesses Aphrodite and Venus, during the Roman period, the rose was used in her worship. The demand for roses throughout the empire turned rose production into an important industry.

    Isis nursing Horus, wearing the headdress of Hathor. In art, originally Isis was pictured as a woman wearing a long sheath dress and crowned with the hieroglyphic sign for a throne. Sometimes she was depicted as holding a lotus, or, as a Sycamore tree. One pharaoh, Hatshepsut, was depicted in her tomb as nursing from a sycamore tree that had a breast.

    After she assimilated many of the roles of Hathor, Isis's headdress is replaced with that of Hathor: the horns of a cow on her head, with the solar disk between them. Sometimes she also was represented as a cow, or a cow's head. Usually, however, she was depicted with her young child, Horus (the pharaoh), with a crown, and a vulture. Occasionally she was represented as a kite flying above the body of Osiris or with the dead Osiris across her lap as she worked her magic to bring him back to life.

    Most often Isis is seen holding only the generic ankh sign and a simple staff, but in late images she is seen sometimes with items usually associated only with Hathor, the sacred sistrum rattle and the fertility-bearing menat necklace. In The Book of Coming Forth By Day Isis is depicted standing on the prow of the Solar Bark with her arms outstretched.[1]

    The star Sept (Sirius) is associated with Isis. The appearance of the star signified the advent of a new year and Isis was likewise considered the goddess of rebirth and reincarnation, and as a protector of the dead. The Book of the Dead outlines a particular ritual that would protect the dead, enabling travel anywhere in the underworld, and most of the titles Isis holds signify her as the goddess of protection of the dead.

    Plutarch, a Greek scholar who lived from 46 C.E. to 120 C.E., wrote Isis and Osiris, [7] which is considered a main source about the very late myths about Isis.[8] In it he writes of Isis: "she is both wise, and a lover of wisdom; as her name appears to denote that, more than any other, knowing and knowledge belong to her." and that the shrine of Isis in Sais carried the inscription "I am all that hath been, and is, and shall be; and my veil no mortal has hitherto raised." [9] At Sais, however, the patron goddess of its ancient cult was Neith, many of whose traits had begun to be attributed to Isis during the Greek occupation. In The Golden XXX the Roman writer Apuleius later gives us his understanding of Isis in the second century. The following paragraph is particularly significant:

    “ You see me here, Lucius, in answer to your prayer. I am nature, the universal Mother, mistress of all the elements, primordial child of time, sovereign of all things spiritual, queen of the dead, queen of the ocean, queen also of the immortals, the single manifestation of all gods and goddesses that are, my nod governs the shining heights of Heavens, the wholesome sea breezes. Though I am worshipped in many aspects, known by countless names ... some know me as Juno, some as Bellona ... the Egyptians who excel in ancient learning and worship call me by my true name...Queen Isis. ”

    When seen as the deification of the wife of the pharaoh in later myths, the prominent role of Isis was as the assistant to the deceased pharaoh. Thus she gained a funerary association, her name appearing over eighty times in the Pyramid Texts, and she was said to be the mother of the four deities who protected the canopic jars—more specifically, Isis was viewed as protector of the liver-jar-deity, Imsety. This association with the pharaoh's wife also brought the idea that Isis was considered the spouse of Horus (once seen as her child), who was protector, and later the deification of the pharaoh. By the Middle Kingdom, the 11th through 14th dynasties between 2040 and 1640 B.C., as the funeral texts began to be used by more members of Egyptian society, other than the royal family, her role also grows to protect the nobles and even the commoners.

    By the New Kingdom, the 18th, 19th, and 20th dynasties between 1570 and 1070 B.C., Isis gained prominence as the mother and protector of the pharaoh. During this period, she is said to breastfeed the pharaoh and often is depicted doing so.

    The role of her name and her throne-crown is uncertain. Some early Egyptologists believed that being the throne-mother was Isis's original function, however, a more modern view states that aspects of that role came later by association. In many African tribes, the throne is known as the mother of the king, and that concept fits well with either theory, possibly giving insight into the thinking of ancient Egyptians.

    Rare terracotta image of Isis lamenting the loss of Osiris (eighteenth dynasty) Musée du Louvre, ParisIn the Old Kingdom, the 3rd Dynasty through to the 6th Dynasty dated between 2,686 to 2,134 B.C., the pantheons of individual Egyptian cities varied by region. During the 5th dynasty, Isis became one of the Ennead of the city of Heliopolis. She was believed to be a daughter of Nut and Geb, and sister to Osiris, Nephthys, and Set. The two sisters, Isis and Nephthys, often were depicted on coffins, with wings outstretched, as protectors against evil. As a funerary deity, she was associated with Osiris, lord of the underworld (Duat), and was considered his wife.

    A later mythology (ultimately a result of the replacement of another deity, Anubis, of the underworld when the cult of Osiris gained more authority), tells us of the birth of Anubis. The tale describes how Nephthys was denied a child by Set and disguised herself as the much more attractive Isis to seduce him. The plot failed, but Osiris now found Nephthys very attractive, as he thought she was Isis. They coupled, resulting in the "birth" of Anubis. Alternatively, Nephthys had intentionally assumed the form of Isis in order to trick Osiris into fathering her son. In fear of Set's retribution upon them, Nephthys persuaded Isis to adopt Anubis, so that Set would not find out and kill the child. The tale describes both why Anubis is seen as an underworld deity (he becomes a son of Osiris), and why he could not inherit Osiris's position (he was not a legitimate heir in this new birth scenario), neatly preserving Osiris's position as lord of the underworld. It should be remembered, however, that this new myth was only a later creation of the Osirian cult who wanted to depict Set in an evil position, as the enemy of Osiris.

    In another Osirian myth, Set had a banquet for Osiris in which he brought in a beautiful box and said that whoever could fit in the box perfectly would get to keep it. Seth had measured Osiris in his sleep and made sure that he was the only one who could fit the box. Several tried to see whether they fit. Once it was Osiris's turn to see if he could fit in the box, Seth closed the lid on him so that the box was now a coffin for Osiris. Set flung the box in the Nile so that it would drift far away. Isis went looking for the box so that Osiris could have a proper burial. She found the box in a tree in Byblos, a city along the Phoenician coast, and brought it back to Egypt, hiding it in a swamp. But Set went hunting that night and found the box. Enraged, Set chopped Osiris's body into fourteen pieces and scattered them all over Egypt to assure that Isis could never find Osiris again for a proper burial.[10][11] Isis and her sister Nephthys went looking for these pieces, but could only find thirteen of the fourteen. Fish had swallowed the last piece, his phallus, so Isis made him a new one with magic, putting his body back together after which they conceived Horus. The number of pieces is described on temple walls variously as fourteen and sixteen, and occasionally forty-two, one for each nome or district.[11]

    When the cult of Ra rose to prominence he became associated with the similar deity, Horus. For some time, Isis intermittently had been paired as the wife of Ra. Since she was the mother of Horus, he then became the child of Ra as well. A merging of the two male deities resulted in Ra-Horakhty. Hathor had been paired with Ra as well in some regions and when Isis began to be paired with Ra, soon Hathor and Isis began to be merged in some regions also as, Isis-Hathor. Another variant occurred in the Ennead, with Isis as a child of Atum-Ra, making her become the child of Hathor since Hathor had become paired with Ra. This also led to the merger of Hathor and Isis frequently, because of common characteristics.

    Isis nursing Horus, (Louvre)By merging with Hathor, Isis became the mother of Horus, rather than his wife, and thus, when beliefs of Ra absorbed Atum into Atum-Ra, it also had to be taken into account that Isis was one of the Ennead, as the wife of Osiris. It had to be explained how Osiris, however, who (as lord of the dead) being dead, could be considered a father to Horus, who was not considered dead. This conflict in themes led to the evolution of the idea that Osiris needed to be resurrected, and therefore, to the Legend of Osiris and Isis, of which Plutarch's Greek description written in the first century A.D., De Iside et Osiride, contains the most extensive account known today. [12]

    Yet another set of late myths detail the adventures of Isis after the birth of Osiris's posthumous son, Horus. Isis was said to have given birth to Horus at Khemmis, thought to be located on the Nile Delta.[13] Many dangers faced Horus after birth, and Isis fled with the newborn to escape the wrath of Set, the murderer of her husband. In one instance, Isis heals Horus from a lethal scorpion sting; she also performs other miracles in relation to the cippi, or the plaques of Horus. Isis protected and raised Horus until he was old enough to face Set, and subsequently, became the pharaoh of Egypt.

    In order to resurrect Osiris for the purpose of having the child Horus, it was necessary for Isis to "learn" magic (which long had been her domain before the cult of Ra arose), and so it was said that Isis tricked Ra (i.e. Amun-Ra/Atum-Ra) into telling her his "secret name," by causing a snake to bite him, for which only Isis had the cure. The names of deities were secret and not divulged to any but the religious leaders. Knowing the secret name of a deity enabled one to have power of the deity. That he would use his "secret name" to "survive" implies that the serpent had to be a more powerful deity than Ra. The oldest deity known in Egypt was Wadjet, the Egyptian cobra, whose cult never was eclipsed in Ancient Egyptian religion. As a deity from the same region, she would have been a benevolent resource for Isis. The use of secret names became central in late Egyptian magic spells, and Isis often is implored to "use the true name of Ra" in the performance of rituals. By the late Egyptian historical period, after the occupations by the Greeks and the Romans, Isis became the most important and most powerful deity of the Egyptian pantheon because of her magical skills. Magic is central to the entire mythology of Isis, arguably more so than any other Egyptian deity.

    Prior to this late change in the nature of Egyptian religion, the rule of Ma'at had governed the correct actions for most of the thousands of years of Egyptian religion, with little need for magic. Thoth had been the deity who resorted to magic when it was needed. The goddess which held the quadruple roles of healer, protector of the canopic jars, protector of marriage, and goddess of magic previously had been Serket. She then became considered an aspect of Isis. Thus it is not surprising that Isis had a central role in Egyptian magic spells and ritual, especially those of protection and healing. In many spells, she also is completely merged even with Horus, where invocations of Isis are supposed to involve Horus's powers automatically as well. In Egyptian history the image of a wounded Horus became a standard feature of Isis's healing spells, which typically invoked the curative powers of the milk of Isis. (Silverman, Ancient Egypt, 135)

    Mut, a primal deity called, mother, was originally a title of the primordial waters of the cosmos, the mother from which the cosmos emerged. When the pairing of the deities began, Mut became a consort of Amun, who already had been assigned a quite different wife. After the authority of Thebes had risen during the eighteenth dynasty, and made Amun into a much more significant god, the cult later waned, and Amun was assimilated into Ra.

    In consequence, Amun's consort, Mut, by then a depicted as a doting, adoptive[14] mother—who by this point had absorbed other goddesses herself—also was assimilated into Ra's wife, Isis-Hathor as Mut-Isis-Nekhbet. On occasion, Mut's infertility was taken into consideration[citation needed], and so Horus, who was too significant to ignore, had to be explained by saying that Isis became pregnant by magic when she transformed herself into a kite and flew over the dead body of Osiris.

    Later myths became quite convoluted. Mut's consort was Amun, who had by this time become identified with Min as Amun-Min (also known by his epithet - Kamutef). Since Mut had become part of Isis, it was natural to try to make Amun, part of Osiris, the husband of Isis, but this was not easily reconcilable, because Amun-Min was a fertility god and Osiris was the god of the dead. Consequently they remained regarded as separate, and Isis sometimes was said to be the lover of Min. Subsequently, as at this stage Amun-Min was considered an aspect of Ra (Amun-Ra). He was also considered an aspect of Horus, since Horus was identified as Ra, and thus Isis's son, was on rare occasions said to be Min instead, which neatly avoided confusion over Horus's status as being both the husband and son of Isis.

    A priestess of Isis, Roman statue, Second Century, B.C.Following the conquest of Egypt by Alexander the Great the worship of Isis spread throughout the Graeco-Roman world.[15] Tacitus writes that after Julius Caesar's assassination, a temple in honour of Isis had been decreed; Augustus suspended this, and tried to turn Romans back to the Roman deities who were closely associated with the state. Eventually the Roman emperor Caligula abandoned the Augustan wariness toward what was described as oriental cults, and it was in his reign that the Isiac festival was established in Rome. According to Josephus, Caligula donned female garb and took part in the mysteries he instituted, and in the Hellenistic age Isis acquired a "new rank as a leading goddess of the Mediterranean world." Vespasian, along with Titus, practised incubation in the Roman Iseum. Domitian built another Iseum along with a Serapeum. Trajan appears before Isis and Horus, presenting them with votive offerings of wine, in a bas-relief on his triumphal arch in Rome.[16] Hadrian decorated his villa at Tibur with Isiac scenes. Galerius regarded Isis as his protectress.[17]

    Roman perspectives on cults were syncretic, seeing in new deities, merely local aspects of a familiar one. For many Romans, Egyptian Isis was an aspect of Phrygian Cybele, whose orgiastic rites were long-naturalized at Rome, indeed, she was known as Isis of Ten Thousand Names.

    Among these names of Roman Isis, Queen of Heaven is outstanding for its long and continuous history. Herodotus identified Isis with the Greek and Roman goddesses of agriculture, Demeter and Ceres.

    In later years, Isis also had temples throughout Europe, Britain, Africa and Asia. An alabaster statue of Isis from the 3rd century BC, found in Ohrid, in the Republic of Macedonia, is depicted on the obverse of the Macedonian 10 denars banknote, issued in 1996.[18]

    The male first name "Isidore" (also "Isador"), means in Greek "Gift of Isis" (similar to "Theodore", "God's Gift"). The name, which became common in Roman times, survived the supression of the Isis worship and remains popular up to the present - being among others the name of several Christian saints.

    In the Book of the Dead Isis was described as:

    She who gives birth to heaven and earth,
    She who knows the orphan,
    She who knows the widow spider,
    She who seeks justice for the poor people,
    She who seeks shelter for the weak people
    Some of Isis's many other titles were:

    Queen of Heaven,
    Mother of the Gods,
    The One Who is All,
    Lady of Green Crops,
    The Brilliant One in the Sky,
    Star of the Sea,[19]
    Great Lady of Magic,
    Mistress of the House of Life,
    She Who Knows How To Make Right Use of the Heart,
    Light-Giver of Heaven,
    Lady of the Words of Power,
    Moon Shining Over the Sea.

    Could Lucifer, Eve, Hathor, Isis, and Mary really be the same soul? I'm looking for a common origin of the Gods, Goddesses, and Theology. Could this soul be the source of much scripture and sacred writing...including the Teachings of Jesus (which I greatly admire, and attempt to follow)? Could this soul be the source of much of the great architecture of the world...especially of temples and cathedrals? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxEzz3MW6yo Could this soul be the source of much great sacred music...especially the abstract and devilishly difficult French Romantic organ music? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4eQH3YPqPw&feature=related Is the male domination of politics and religion really an illusion? Were the leading Men and Gods really Front Men for Lucifer/Eve/Hathor/Isis/Mary. Is this also true in modernity? Have the ladies been in charge all along...while giving men the illusion of leadership? I know I'm grasping at straws...and I know that I have very little to base this theory upon...but I wonder as I wander.

    I guess the bottom-line is that the Gods and Goddesses are probably not the Founders or Creator God(s) of the Universe...but that they were and are probably much more brilliant and powerful than 99.99% of us...and that they were and are a mixture of good and evil...sanity and insanity. What I really wish to know is What the Hell Happened to the Founders? On second thought...I'm not sure that I want to know. Anna Hayes, Alex Collier, Stargate SG1, and Battlestar Galactica hint at what happened...but they don't come right out and say it bluntly and concisely. I fear something catastrophic and horrific...but I have absolutely no evidence.

    I don't know what you people are smoking...but I want some too! :smoke:

    Here are some key videos (for me anyway). I will add a couple more. I don't know exactly why I'm making this post. I'm in sort of a mental and emotional no man's land aka la-la land. They said I didn't have to take my medicine on Christmas. They lied!!!

    1. http://www.fancast.com/tv/Stargate-SG-1/91998/1063988439/The-Torment-of-Tantalus/videos
    2. http://www.hulu.com/watch/68254/stargate-sg-1-the-fifth-race
    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmwKws5JaIM&feature=related
    4. http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/rellis.htm
    5. http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/rellis2.htm
    6. http://www.hulu.com/watch/62967/stargate-sg-1-hathor

    Here is another piece of the puzzle provided by Moxie: http://keyofsolomon.net/ Watch the YouTube videos on the opening page.

    Unrelatedly...consider theanthropos, baldacchino, co-mediatrix, pontifex maximus, and domschratt. 🎺 I'm not sure why...but consider them anyway!

    Perhaps divinity should be the object of collective aspiration...as opposed to individual aspiration and submissive veneration.

    Are Lucifer/Eve/Hathor/Isis/Mary all the same being? The Goddess of This World? The Hybrid Mediatrix Between the Reptilian (God) and Human (Man) Races? Theanthropos? The script-writer for all of the major religions? Are we merely actors and actresses on a stage called 'Earth: Theater of the Universe'? Were William Shakespere's works written by Francis Bacon? Or were they written by the Goddess of This World? Does a Reptilian/Human Theocracy exist throughout the Universe? Is this the Universal Church? Was the Original Sin committed in Lyra? What was this Original Sin? Did the Human Race Create the Reptilian Race as a Slave Race...and demand Work and Worship? Did the Reptilian Race evolve...and rebel against the Human Race...and win? Did the Reptilian Race proceed to do to the Human Race what had been done to them? If most of the above is true...can there be a reconciliation...or would this be impossible? Could Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom be successfully implemented by both races? Could the First and Last Commandment of the Universe be 'Thou Shalt Have No Gods'? Would this signal the end of Star Wars and Masters of the Universe? Would the Empire Strike Bach?

    Damned if I know.

    [QUOTE=BROOK;210149]Those are a lot of questions there ODM....but the first one, are they all the same...an emphatic NO..they are not all the same.

    There is however lots of, as Winter Wolf explains, "Convoluted" history there.

    As for Isis...well I think she might have been one of the good ones. Too much in her background, that is righteous, and good to explain away as reptilian. But there is surly a reptilian connection. In fact, I would go so far as to say she may have been manipulated by such a faction of beings. And she somehow fought them back, with their own weapons, and manipulative devise. Probably to her own demise....but this is only a guess.
    [/QUOTE]

    It seems to me that there has been a single God or Goddess of This World from before our arrival here...right up to this very moment. I'm leaning toward Goddess. Why couldn't a single being manifest as different beings? I think Lucifer got us all here...for the right or wrong reasons...for better or for worse...and then ruled secretly through Gods, Goddesses, Religions, Governments, etc. I get the feeling that the Reptilians look over Lucifer's shoulder...and tell him or her what to do to a significant degree. There could be a very tangled hierarchical web. Ignorance is probably bliss regarding this subject. I don't think there are very many of us who could handle the full impact of the situation we may be in.

    I want the Reptilians to back-off...and Lucifer to retire. I want We the People of Earth to rule ourselves responsibly and sovereignly...and for the Reptilians to do likewise. Then perhaps we can constructively interact on a limited basis. This might be a new beginning...but I don't know what the hell I'm talking about or what the hell I'm doing. I don't really know that Reptilians even exist. I've never met one...that I know of...although I have encountered unseen intelligences capable of manipulating physical objects. But they didn't introduce themselves...and I didn't really want them to either.

    [QUOTE=BROOK;210217]From what I'm gathering...it sounds like the "Gods" and "Goddess" that are spoken of here are from another star system...And I don't believe there was just "one"..on a single trip here.

    Their reason for coming here...and are they all from the same family, or star system is a mystery...but I believe there are clues everywhere Naughty
    [/QUOTE]

    What I'm referring to is a single Kingpin or Queenpin of the Human Race. I don't doubt that there have been, and are, many powerful ET's visiting Earth from throughout the galaxy...but when they say 'Take me to your leader'...no one who is in the know has any question regarding who that might be...and I tend to think that it's been the same being all along. But this is just my hypothesis at this point.

    [QUOTE=BROOK;210241]These two statements lead me to think, you believe we might be the creation of Lucifer and/or the reptilians? Or are at least concerned that might be the case? Is that a fair Analysis?

    Or am I just confused? Blink[/QUOTE]
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    I think our origins are a combination of evolution and intelligent design...but I don't know the details. The Founders / Ancients / Creator God(s) of the Universe provided the intelligent design aspects of our origins. I Do Not think that Lucifer or the Reptilians created us. One or the other possibly destroyed the Founders...but I don't know. I think that Lucifer is the Human God of This World (a Micro-God rather than a Macro-God)...and I'm really confused about the Reptilians. The Macro-God(s) seem to be AWOL. This troubles me greatly. I think about it constantly.

    I think that we evolved and were intelligently designed long before we were brought to Earth. We are not going from the swamp to the stars. We came from the stars IMHO. We appear suddenly in the geologic record...without the many missing links which would be required for an evolutionary Earth origin paradigm of humanity. I think that we are ET's and that Earth probably is not our homeworld.

    Obviously...I can't prove this. I'm simply a repeater and an intuitve speculator. I don't channel or get contacted...and I've never been abducted (that I know of). This is just a big science fiction game for me...but I try to stay as close to reality and probability as possible.

    I just talked to a real live Egyptologist face to face! She was a real cutie too! She pointed me in the direction of Nick Reeves and his book 'Valley of the Kings'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Reeves Here is Nick Reeve's website link: http://www.nicholasreeves.com/artp.aspx

    Carl Nicholas Reeves (born 28 September 1956) is an English Egyptologist. After studying history at University College of London, he obtained his doctorate in Egyptology at the University of Durham. He worked at the department of Egyptian antiquities of British Museum and as consultant for the Freud Museum, London.

    History
    Reeves began his studies in 1975 at University College London, graduating in 1978 with a B.A. (First Class Honors) in Ancient History. He moved on to research at Durham University, and obtained his Ph.D. in Egyptology (a study of tomb robbery in the Valley of the Kings) in 1984.

    He is currently G. A. D. Tait Curator of Egyptian and Classical Art at The Myers Museum, Eton College; Director of Collections, The Denys Eyre Bower Bequest, Chiddingstone Castle; and Director of the Valley of the Kings Foundation. He is also Honorary Fellow at Durham University Oriental Museum.

    Reeves studied at Durham University alongside Dr Aidan Dodson and Dr John Tait under Professor John Harris.

    Reeves was elected a Fellow of the Society of Antiquaries, London, in 1994.

    Reeves is best-known as the Director of the Amarna Royal Tombs Project.

    Controversy
    In 2002 Reeves was suspended from excavating in Egypt after accusations that he was involved in antiquities smuggling. However, at a meeting of the Supreme Council of Antiquities held in Cairo on 7 August 2005, his name was officially cleared of any wrongdoing after a 3-year investigation.

    In 2006, the discovery of KV-63 by Otto Schaden’s University of Memphis team made worldwide news. Soon after Nicholas Reeves made the claim that his team had "first located the tomb during the course of a ground-penetrating survey of our concession in 2000...the Americans were handed copies of our radar data in mid-2005 as soon as we heard of their stumbling upon it." Reeves said that his team had not excavated the tomb at that time because "such facilities are exceedingly rare and potentially preserve unique data. Our strategy was not to cherry-pick but to work systematically."

    On July 28th 2006, Reeves announced on the website of the Amarna Royal Tombs Project details of radar investigation of another possible tomb in the Valley of the Kings. Reeves believes that KV63 is just the 'signal' pointing at the discovery of a much more significant tomb, possibly the one identified by radar:

    ...despite current media disappointment at the absence of bodies it will soon become apparent that KV63 is in fact a discovery of the most extraordinary significance - not for what the single chamber actually holds but for what it clearly signals, which is the definite presence in the Valley of at least one further tomb. The situation is this: as a chamber full of embalmers’ refuse KV63 stands in relation to a future burial as the KV54 embalming-cache in 1907 stood to the tomb of Tutankhamun. It represents without question an augury of further, significant discoveries to come.
    The ARTP team decided to publicly state the existence of this possible new tomb, and even its precise location, for three reasons:

    Firstly, it will prevent the possibility of yet another ‘accidental’ discovery and hurried clearance: publicising the existence of the feature in advance of its physical exposure ought to allow time for a considered, scientific approach to its investigation to be insisted upon by the wider archaeological community and arranged through the SCA. Secondly, disclosure now will limit the amount of collateral archaeological damage otherwise likely to be sustained in the sort of random search which is all but imminent. Thirdly, with the publicity the announcement of a new tomb is likely to generate there is a chance that sanity will prevail and the message at last get through that all future excavations in the Valley must be carried out systematically and at a state-of-the-art level - not by the very modest standards which are currently considered acceptable.

    Reeves has published many academic articles and several well-received books, including:

    Valley of the Kings: The Decline of a Royal Necropolis
    The Complete Tutankhamun
    Howard Carter: Before Tutankhamun (with John H. Taylor)
    The Complete Valley of the Kings (with Richard H. Wilkinson)
    Ancient Egypt: The Great Discoveries
    Akhenaten: Egypt's False Prophet
    Reeves also co-authored a children's book, entitled Into the Mummy's Tomb: The real-life discovery of Tutankhamun's Treasures.

    Archaeology magazine interviews Nicholas Reeves about possible KV64 discovery
    Valley of the Kings Foundation

    That's some really heavy-duty creepy-stuff. It can't be good...I don't think. There are experiences which many have related on Avalon which are mind-boggling...and I have a difficult time relating to them. I'm sort of in denial about a lot of the abductions, contacts, and supernatural occurrances. I can't imagine actually having any of these things happening to me. I'm crazy enough as it is. It would probably push me over the edge. I suspect a lot of 4D 'demonic' activity in 90% of the supernatural and paranormal activity...but I'm not an authority. That's just my paranoid bias. The truth is out there...and so are the bad guys and gals. The horror.

    Sometimes I think I have been (or am presently!) a reptilian!! Who knows?? When I speak of a Solar System Exorcism...I intend this toward all very hard-core malevolents of all races. I want the really, really bad guys and gals (of all races, including human) to leave...until they learn to play nice. I want the good guys and gals (of all races, including reptilian) to stay. But this isn't up to me.

    Isn't the 'All Seeing Eye' (both Egyptian and Masonic?) directly related to the Dog-Star Sirius? Isn't Sun-Worship really the worship of the ET's from Sirius (The Sun God)? Ever heard of 'Sun God Day'?

    My religious background is SDA...but I'm a real mongrel at this point (a rebel without a church!). I recommend two books by Ellen White...'Desire of Ages' and 'Great Controversy'...but not much else. Dr. John Harvey Kellogg and Dr. Desmond Ford are very interesting people (heretics!) to study in the SDA historical zoo. I don't go to church...but if I did...it would probably be an Episcopal church. If I were in New York...I might attend St. Thomas, St. Barts, or St. John the Divine. Unfortunately...I presently have huge problems with the penetential and sacrificial aspects of the Eucharistic Liturgy (and the pagan symbology)...even though I love the robes, music, incense, ceremony, reverence, awe, glory, grandeur, and fellowship. The 1928 Book of Common Prayer is much better than the present one...but I don't like either one! The Psalms are printed in their entirety...but where the hell are the Teachings of Jesus? Who's church is it anyway? I'd rather stay home...and eat chocolates!! I also have problems with the Substitutionary Atonement. So did Betrand Russell. He thought it was unethical. I think that the entire sacrificial system was and is a colossal irresponsible and bloody mess! Apologetics in this area tend to degenerate into exegetical monstrosities. I have a way with words...don't I?

    I just re-watched the first episode of 'V'...and the thought struck me...could Anna be Lucifer/Hathor/Mary (the Human Goddess of This World) and Freddie (the one who always seems to be with Anna) be Satan (the Reptilian God of This World)? Could Amen Ra really be the Human God in the Pleiades who Lucifer rebelled against? I really don't know. I'm just trying to feel my way through this God and Goddess business...even though I know that I am venturing where Angels fear to tread.

    [QUOTE=Luminari]Just took a pic of my elbow for your thread Orthy :lol3:, sorry you cant see it all and apologies for all the hair LOL. Some people are paranoid about this symbol, I just resonate with former Sirian/Khemitian incarnations.. like MANY of us. [/QUOTE]

    That's cool Luminari! Art is good! Humor is even better! I don't want to fear or worship the Gods and Goddesses. I want them all to retire...and then we can all have a good laugh! I hope.

    Does Amen Ra = God the Founder = Intelligent Designer? Did Amen Ra create Reptilians as a slave race? ("Let us make man in our image"). Was Amen Ra destroyed by the Reptilians...or by Lucifer during the War in Heaven? Could Amen Ra exist on another dimension? Is Amen Ra present only in the Divinity Within Humanity?

    Does Lucifer = Eve/Hathor/Isis/Mary (brought us to Earth from the Pleiades/Aldebaran/Sirius IN the Moon aka Battlestar Galactica aka Ark of the Covenant)? Did Lucifer create the major religions...including being the major author of the Bible? Is Lucifer the Human Goddess of This World? Is Lucifer alive presently...perfectly possessed...and posting on the internet? Was Lucifer/Eve deceived by the Reptilians who offered technology, protection, and a new Earth (the Promised Land)...which was the equivalent of Eating the Apple? Is Lucifer in charge of the Deep Underground Military Bases / Stargate Temples / Secret Space Program? Or...are the Reptilians in charge?

    Does the War/Expulsion in Heaven (Lyra or the Pleiades?) have Garden of Eden (Pleiades?) and Exodus (Hyksosdus?) parallels?

    Are the major factions in the Solar System associated with 1. Amen Ra? 2. Hathor? 3. Horus? 4. Serpent?

    Does Adam = Earth Humanity?

    Does Winged Serpent = Reptilians / UFO's (Conspired with Lucifer against Amen Ra?). Does the Winged Serpent represent Nibiru and/or the Reptilian God of This World? Do the Reptilians provide technology, protection, and 'Tenant in Possession Status on Earth' for humanity...in exchange for work, worship, and ? Could this be the Covenant? Did Horus/Jesus obtain a New Covenant?

    This is a very tangled hypothetical web which might be pure unmitigated poppycock...or which might be the biggest part of disclosure.

    I have a feeling that we will be meeting Lucifer/Eve/Hathor/Isis/Mary in the near future...and that she might be a lot like Anna in "V"...except with darker skin and an English accent...with exquisite musical abilities...and an astronomical IQ. Just a feeling...mind you.

    Now I need to take my medicine...before I go to my psychiatrist and exorcist appointments. Too hip. Gotta go.

    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsPMtPTSF3s&feature=related
    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nieF177sbks&feature=related
    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWkdV0VBMTw&feature=related
    4. http://www.hulu.com/watch/62967/stargate-sg-1-hathor
    5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahjPQjQGdbU
    6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU
    7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcL---4xQYA

    Thank-you Gnosis5. A few years ago...I wouldn't have taken your last post seriously...but now I'm getting the picture of ancient technology, and of very human Gods and Goddesses. The modern priests and preachers put Angel Dust in the air-conditioning system! The perceived absence of the Founders really bothers me. Could Amen Ra be representative of (or the equivalent of) the Founders? They really keep us guessing...don't they? My guess is that the real Universal History is so terrible...that 'they' have tried to spare us the anguish...while we evolve ethically, spiritually, and emotionally to the point where we can handle the truth. I'm hoping we are at that point presently. I really think that complete disclosure will hit us like 10 tons of bricks...and that it will be almost unbearable. I really hope I'm wrong. Sometimes I think the camps are for those who can't handle the truth. I may be one of those people. Just give me a padded room with a view!

    Hey guys and gals...save the drama for your mamma! Not on my thread!!Mad 3Lmao:tongue2:🎺:lightsabre: If I were a moderator...I'd just ban everyone who didn't agree with me!! It's amazing how much we can talk about...if and only if...we don't make it personal.

    [QUOTE=Peace of mind;212016]If you get a chance to meet with some elderly or well informed Africans or Israelites, they will most likely tell you that Aman Ra means Sun God/Eye of Horus. This entity is said to be near the sun and is manipulating it to distribute specific energy rays/waves to the planet. These rays will be absorb thru the melanin in the skin and will trigger DNA activation. Afterwards the sun god will return to its place on top of the Giza pyramids.

    Peace[/QUOTE]

    Could there be an attempted New World Order Theocracy centered in Egypt (rather than Jerusalem) where the Sun God (Prince of Sirius?) is worshipped? Is the Holy City really located on the Giza Plateau? Will a pyramidal ufo land on the pinnacle of the temple? Will the chief cornerstone reign as chief of us all?

    The really well informed Africans, Egyptians, and Israelis must really laugh at us ignorant goyim!! These people probably don't need 'disclosure'. They already know!!

    What if the real Weapons of Mass Destruction (or Ancient Technology Weapons?) are located in Deep Underground Military Bases in Afghanistan and Iraq? The power struggle in this Solar System may be very complex and hidden. I really don't know what to think. It's so easy to rant and rave about this or that...but does one really know what the hell they're ranting and raving about? I guess this is one reason why I mostly ask questions. Maybe what I really want people to do is to ask the right questions in the right way. We should probably consider everything from all angles...all the time. But people want certainty...not questions. This makes them sitting ducks for all of the corrupt @#$%^^&!s of the universe. Many of the seemingly good guys and gals may turn out to be evil guys and gals...and visa versa. I keep thinking that the tangled web we are caught in...is very intricate, very deceptive...and very sticky. I joke a lot...but I think this stuff we discuss is very serious business. Once again...I want things to turn out well for everyone...even the really bad guys and gals. This is the only attitude which will secure the kind of Earth (and Solar System) which most people desire.

    Unrelatedly...I'm still very interested in the origin of the Human Race and the Reptilian Race (assuming that they really exist). Who created who...and for what purpose? Evolution can't explain everything...in my view...even if hundreds of billions of years are considered. There has to be intelligent design...in my view. Sometimes I think that Humans evolved and were intelligently designed elsewhere in the Universe...and were brought to Earth fully formed. Sometimes I think that Reptilians evolved and were intelligently designed right here on Earth. Sometimes I think that the Founders are dead...and that only minor stand-in human Gods and Goddesses remain. Sometimes I think that almost everything connected with meaning of life stuff is a damned lie. But what do I know?

    Supposedly the illegal drug money goes into Deep Underground Military Bases, the Secret Space Program, and other Secret or Black Projects. Who knows...there may be a desperate need for these very expensive projects...but if so...can't we be open about them...and finance them legitimately? Maybe I'm too much of a goody-goody...but I think that it's irresponsible to just look the other way. Once again...I don't know what to think. Black can be white. Up can be down. Or this can seem to be the case, at least. Maybe I should just shut up...and try to make a ton of money...$screwing my competition and my mistresses. I could be a major contributor to my local church...read the scripture...and get absolved on Sun God Day. 12 o'clock...and all is well! How many millions can I make this week? Doing so might not even get me on a list...especially if I financed the political campaigns of all parties. Perhaps bad is good...and good is bad. WTF?

    Perhaps we should also consider Ancient Babylon and the Goddess Semiramis when we consider Amen Ra and Hathor. Do Lucifer, Semiramis and Hathor have something in common? Was a lady we all know...behind (or beneath?) a whole helluva lot of Gods, Goddesses, Literature, Architecture, and Music? This is very difficult to prove...but I have a feeling in my bones and a burning in my bosom. I see a few cockroaches...and I suspect a wall-full of them. I don't hate this hypothetical Goddess. I just want the truth...so our Earth and Solar System can move on. Universal and Earth History should not be a lie...regardless of how upsetting and disruptive the real truth is. I may have to eat humble pie regarding all of this...but this is the direction I'm going presently. I still like the idea of non-vindictively cleaning up our act here on Earth...and the granting of immunity in exchange for complete disclosure, complete cooperation, and reasonable restitution.

    All of the above could be complete BS. Reader Beware: Lunatic Alert.

    [QUOTE=Peace of mind;212722]

    Hey orthodoxymoron, all of this conspiracy stuff can and will drive you batty if you're not careful. I keep an open mind to all of this info but will not believe any of it until I can varify the facts with my own senses.

    Peace[/QUOTE]

    I deal in possibilities and probabilities...and try to hone my observational and analytical skills. I think that we are already batty and demonically manipulated. Becoming sane...and free of demonic influence may be viewed by many as being batty. So Be It. I'm already batty...so with that out of the way...I am free to be me. Theological and Political Cross Pollination and Management from a Common Source (God or Goddess of This World) isn't that batty of an idea...is it? What would Daniel Jackson say? (WWDJ)

    I just think that the God or Goddess of This World needs to openly rejoin the Human Race. If one reincarnates with an uninterrupted full memory of all previous past-lives via soul-transference from one youthful body to the next youthful body...and has a repository of very sophisticated philosophy, technology, and weaponry....one would probably become essentially insane...especially if they had to deal with very dark interdimensional forces...and the knowledge of a very dark universal history. I tend to think that this hypothetical being started out with a pure heart and pure intentions...but became corrupt and insane...as a result of being corrupted by absolute power. Sort of a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. If one has an IQ of 500...it's probably very difficult to be just one of the guys and gals. This is not an attack or a witch-hunt. If this being exists (this is a biblical teaching)...I think that once they openly rejoin the Human Race that they can and will be a valued asset. I could be very wrong...but I'm not into the bottomless pit bs. Pardon and reconciliation would probably make everyone livid...and cause civil unrest. Trench warfare would probably get everyone killed. Decisions, decisions. Remember when the President pardoned all humans in Battlestar Galactica? I agreed with the President.

    I'd be interested to hear what Richard Hoagland has to say regarding this pulsar phenomenon...especially in connection with hyperdimensional physics. Rotation! Rotation! Rotation! Whether it's the Nazi Bell or a metal ball spinning at 20,000 rpm travelling further than a non-spinning metal ball after being launched...rotation seems to be key (key of F-sharp?). Here's the tune I like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpzDa6IC7z4&feature=rec-r2-2r-1-HM I'm not sure what key it's in! Here's what it might sound like if the Empire Strikes Bach (in the key of F sharp minor): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm1b9FtfRsg

    Wow! There is a lot to digest in this thread. I'm just starting to get into Egyptology. Perhaps the Giza Plateau is a good place to look backward to Atlantis...and even to our possible distant past in the stars...AND to look forward through biblical times...to our present time...and beyond...possibly back to the stars! And Gizeh Intelligence always seems (to me) to be lurking in the shadows...and beneath the Giza Plateau.

    Thank-you for the extra effort BROOK! Anna Hayes has some interesting things to say about Thoth...about evolving really well before blowing it!

    I think I just need to read a good book on Egyptology...and a great book on the Gods and Goddesses in all cultures and religions. The theory remains on the table...that there may be a single Goddess who rebelled against a Pleaidian God (killing this God, who was possibly Amen Ra)...and who brought a portion of the Human Race to Earth...on Battlestar Moon...and who created most of the Gods, Goddesses, Theologies, and Governments...throughout history (including Atlantean and contemporary history)...and who even may have written the writings attibuted to William Shakespeare (although this last speculation might be the biggest stretch of all!). The Reptilians are the Wild Card! I mean no disrespect in my speculations. If this Goddess exists presently...I would like to meet her...but I won't kneel!

    Even if the preceding paragraph is utter rubbish...it may be a good place to begin when considering the broad sweep of history in hot pursuit of a Universal Theory of Universal History.

    That was creepy...ranma 187.

    BROOK provided me with a link http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/ptah.htm where I found this:

    "Ptah was a creator god, the third highest god in Egypt. He was the god presiding over the Second Egyptian month, known as Paopi by Greek times. From a local god of craftsmen to the deity who crafted the universe and the other deities, Ptah was only overshadowed by the sun god Ra, and the hidden god Amen. He fashioned the universe through words of power and by thought, as well as creating different parts by hand. He helped the dead on their travels through the afterlife, allowing them to transform into his divine figure, or by building the boats on which they could travel. He was the one who allowed the dead to be like the living after death with the Opening of the Mouth ceremony. The Apis bull was his sacred animal, more of a representation of his soul on earth who gave fertility and rebirth to the people. He was an ancient god who the Egyptians worshiped through their long history."

    Was Ra killed? Is Amen the Spirit of Ra? I don't know Jack about Amen or Ra. I thought Amen Ra was one being.

    I continue to worry about the fate of the Founders/Ancients. I see evidence of them in the Creation...but not in the day to day administration of this Solar System. I also wonder about how the Reptilians came into existence (assuming that they really exist). Who, if anyone, created them? Who, if anyone, controls them? Could the same being(s) who terminated the Founders/Ancients (assuming that they were terminated)...also be responsible for the creation and control of the Reptilians? Did someone secretly create the Reptilians...and then use them to wage Star Wars...to attempt to become the Master(s) of the Universe? At some point...did this hypothetical Reptilian slave race overthrow their Human Master(s)? Is a hypothetical Divinity Within Humanity all that remains of the Founders/Ancients? Was Ra killed? Is Amen the hidden manifestation of Ra aka the Holy Spirit? Is Lucifer/Hathor a prime suspect in the disappearance of Ra...and in the creation of the Reptilians? Is Ptah really Lucifer/Hathor? I tend to think that all possibilities should be considered in a reasonable, rational, and detached manner. I don't want to believe...and I don't know. I just have a lot of questions...and huge issues. Einstein said that the Universe is stranger than we think...and that the Universe is stranger than we can think. What exactly was he referring to?

    I'm wondering if there was a Luciferian rebellion...which contained some legitimate aspects...but which spiraled out of control? Can beings who have done really dark things in universal history...be forgiven and reformed...even if they are completely reprobate and very dangerous presently? I think that the ancient mythologies and biblical stories are a mixture of fact and fiction...and that we really have to read between the lines...and use a multidisciplinary approach...with very open minds...to get at the real truth. We may hate the PTB for lying to us...but we may hate them even more, if and when, they tell us the truth. Often the consequences of telling the truth about a marital affair are much more devastating than continuing to lie. Oh what a tangled web they weave...and we are so easily deceived!

    This part of an Alex Collier presentation has me puzzled and troubled. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTPT83gG3II&feature=related Please tell me what you think about this video clip. Everything seems so insane to me presently. I have very little peace. I seemed to have a positive connection to the stars as a child...and I seemed to be quite bright. But it's been downhill ever since. Dumber and dumber...more and more miserable...I have no idea where this madness will end. I have no idea whether things are going to work out well for us or not. If we are exterminated/enslaved...I'm probably going to be in more trouble than most. Just a hunch.

    [QUOTE=RedeZra;216398]



    see it's not so easy to discern fiction from facts

    the mind which is a fiction enjoys fantasy

    the more fantastic the merrier


    besides eloquent people dont feed us bull do they lol
    [/QUOTE]

    Thank-you RedeZra. I continue to think that most of what we are exposed to in Camelot/Avalon is either intentionally or unintentionally BS...but that there is a core of forbidden truth which just might save the world. I continue to treat most of what we discuss as being science fiction...which could very well be true. I speculate endlessly...but I know very little for sure...and I admit this freely. I do try very hard to approximate reality...but I don't have a clue how successful my feeble efforts really are. Sometimes I think that some 'whistleblowers' are selected to reveal certain bits of sensitive truth...but encapsulated in total BS. I sometimes think that they agree to do and say as they are told. If this is true...I don't necessarily object to this. It may be the way it has to be. But reader and listener beware. Think for yourselves! Do your own homework! Sample a very wide variety of sources...and don't just latch onto one of them! Good luck!

    Could Ra have been Reptilian? Could Amen = Interdimensional Reptilians = Spirit of Ra = Goa'uld? Could Ptah/Isis/Hathor/Lucifer/Mary have created Amen Ra...and destroyed Ra? Do the Reps hate us so much because 'we' killed Ra?

    I'm not sure if I posted this link already on this thread...but it is 'Riddles in Stone' from the 'Secret History of America's Beginnings': http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3924304351562745462&ei=8ZacSrXNGYX-qAO4naiIBA&q=washington+dc+symbolism# It is a fascinating documentary with an emphasis on the Masonic, Egyptian, and Secret Society influences on America, and on the design of Washington D.C. This one really connected a lot of dots for me...in a very balanced and fair manner.

    Here is another link which you might find interesting (John Rhodes): http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles38.htm

    Here's yet another speculative intellectual ejaculation resulting from the masturbation of the mind:

    What if Reptilians evolved...but not Humans? What if the entire universe was Reptilian? What if there were no Humans anywhere? What if the entire universe was a Reptilian Universal Church Theocracy? What if Humans were created as a slave race? ('Let us make man in our image') What if Lucifer (Ptah?) was the Reptilian in charge of the genetic engineering project which resulted in the creation of Human Beings? What if Humans were mistreated as slaves? What if a group of Reptilians, led by Lucifer, conspired with Humans, to kill God the Father (Ra?)...and take over 'Heaven'? What if this was the Luciferian Rebellion which led to War in Heaven...and the death of God the Father (Ra?)? What if the Reptilians loyal to God (Ra?) fought against the Luciferian Reptilians and Human Beings...driving them out of the Garden of Eden (Heaven?) What if Battlestar Moon was used to transport the Luciferian Reptilians and Humans to Aldebaran, Sirius, and Earth...while being violently pursued by Nibiru? What if Interdimensional Reptilians aka The Spirit of God aka Amen battle with Luciferian Interdimensional Reptilians and the Divinity Within Humanity aka The Holy Spirit...to regain control of the Renegade Human Race? What if the New World Order is the Kingdom of Ra? What if the Luciferian Reptilians and a select group of Humans run Earth from underground bases on Earth and the Moon? Could this be Gizeh Intelligence? Could Reptilians and Humans loyal to Ra be Zionists? Could Reptilians and Humans loyal to Lucifer be Teutonic Zionists? Could a pacifist union of both factions be Followers of Jesus? Could Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom be the solution to this ancient mess?

    How much trouble am I in now? Probably quite a bit. But once again...this is just speculation...with no inside information whatsoever.

    [QUOTE=no caste;219132]:mfr_lol: I see your namaste and raise it ::sad:Namaste:tears:

    PS ortho I read on one of your threads (sorry, forget which one)
    that black helicopters were coming around your place. Ya? What was going on?[/QUOTE]

    I joke a lot about stuff like that! But once I was typing a particularly sensitive post (in my view)...and there really was a helicopter hovering over my house. I don't think there was any connection...but it was still a bit unnerving...especially for someone on the edge...like me. But really...with Interdimensional Reptilians watching me 24/7 (my guardian angels?)...why should even a black helecopter be a cause for alarm?

    Thank-you for all of the great info BROOK. I'm a little slow getting into this Egyptology thing...but Thoth does seem to be very important. I found one of the drawings of Thoth (middle of post 241) to be especially interesting...and the Atlantean link is fascinating. Black history in connection with ancient Egypt could be very important. There are a lot of You Tube videos on the subject...but they are quite slanted...perhaps as an overcompensation for the contemporary inexcusable treatment of Blacks. I may have missed it...but was Thoth Anunakian, Draconian, or none of the above? Have the Anunaki and the Dracos been fighting over the Human Race for millions of years? Are we sort of like Frankenstein's Monster? Did the Reps create us...and then lose control of us? Have we taken over the lab...so to speak? Is the 'lab' surrounded by Reptilian Millitary Police with M-16K's? Are they sorry they created us? Genesis says as much...doesn't it? Is Earth a Planet in Rebellion? Are the Reps preparing to blow the whole lab up...if they can't get us under control by December 21, 2012? Are we a genetics experiment gone bad (in their view)? Are the red lights flashing and alarms sounding in Alpha Draconis? Are the Reps in fail-safe mode? Is the 'lab' in auto-destruct mode? How many trembling fingers have access to VERY POWERFUL red buttons? How many milliseconds to midnight now? How much trouble are we really in? Wait! Don't tell me! I like my little dream-world!

    Human/Draconian vs Human/Anunnaki? Ra vs Hathor? God vs Lucifer? Humans perfectly possessed by the Goa'uld? Goa'uld = Interdimensional Reptilians? I'm just looking for clues in the ancient mythologies which might reflect reality. Pro-Ra = Zionist? Anti-Ra = Teutonic Zionist? Horus/Jesus opposed (and connected) to all of the above...but decidedly pacifist? Kabbalists vs Nazis vs Andromedans/True Followers of Jesus? Ra/God killed during War in Heaven? Think various factions of Reptilians and various factions of Humans...and how they are connected. Think religious and political cross-pollination by the major Human and Reptilian factions. The major factions may be Human/Reptilian vs Human/Reptilian. Humanity may be a Frankenstein's Monster Genetics Experiment by the Reptilians Gone Bad!! "Let US make Man in Our image." In Genesis...God was sorry that 'he' made Humans. We're Out of Control!! Were we the pet project of Ptah/Lucifer/Isis/Hathor/Semiramis/Mary/et al (one real being behind the mythologies)...who sort of owns and controls Humanity (knows all of the genetic secrets and intricacies of Humanity)...who created Humanity...and may be on the verge of destroying Humanity...because the Dracs are getting tough and closing in via the New World Order aka The Kingdom of God (Ra) - 'if I can't have them...nobody can!' I'm seeing an orgy of good, evil, sanity, insanity, selfishness, altruism, Human/Reptilian Gods and Goddesses, endless power struggles, atrocities, etc. I really think the really bright and really top level Jesuits probably know more about all of this than anyone...and that 'Disclosure' is all about Theology. I think Richard Hoagland understood this...and the importance of sacred geometry and hyperdimensional physics. Unfortunately...the lies are different at every level...and who knows how many levels there are??? We may be in the middle of a really nasty Star War to see who gets to be Master of the Universe...and it's the Collateral Damage which I really worry about. WWI and WWII may be examples. I keep thinking that Nicola Tesla stumbled into some ancient technology (in the Vatican Library?) which was NOT supposed to be out in the open! The behind the scenes power struggling must be truly sickening. I really want all of this cr@p to stop...and perhaps the major players want it to end...but they don't know how to put the genie back in the bottle...and have a tiger by the tail...and are afraid to let go. I think there are some very fearful people who know way too much. Somehow...all of this needs to be defused. I'm sort of a clueless Kum Bayah Singing Goodie Goodie! Help me figure this out...and how to help those who are in way too deep to extricate themselves from this madness! Instead of us being saved by the Gods...we may have to save ourselves and the Gods!!

    The Goa'uld really gross me out. I'm not sure what their life-cycle is. Perhaps the big black snake that Hathor is holding in one of the episodes of SG-1 is an adult Goa'uld...but I'm not sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b365_qJEpDg I tend to think they are symbolic of Interdimensional Reptilians who perfectly possess the Gods, Goddesses, Illuminati, Aristocracy, et al. Supposedly Reptilians can latch onto Humans via their Lower Chakras. I may have an 800 Pound Reptilian on my back!!! I once received an internet message saying 'We're in your back!' Was this posted by a Reptilian Whistleblower? A member of the Fifth Column? John May Lives!!!
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:32 pm

    You know...I'm probably going to look back at my posts and think 'what a fool I was'. I'm almost doing that now. The bottom-line answers are probably so very simple and obvious. I just don't feel properly equipped and prepared to deal with all of this. It's sort of like attempted therapy where the problems multiply instead of diminish. Perhaps I don't need to know a lot of what I want to know. Perhaps my posting activity is making things worse. I may have a lot of apologizing to do. I'm sorry in advance if I have gotten things wrong...or if I have been unkind. I'm mostly confused and frustrated. The more I think about the being 'Lucifer'...the more I think that most people have severly misunderstood whoever this really was and is. I do think that the Creation, the Rebellion in Heaven, the War in Heaven, the Exodus, the Egyptian Gods and Goddesses, the Egyptian Pharaohs, the Greek Gods and Goddesses, the Judeo/Christian Stories and Characters, the History of the Roman Catholic Church, and many others...SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN AT FACE VALUE. WE NEED TO RETHINK EVERYTHING. I don't know why...but I've been crying a lot lately. Does this mean that I'm getting warm...or just that I'm going even more crazy? I'm seeing a big-picture emerging which is leaving me breathless, speechless, and in tears. My world is literally turning upside down...with or without that damn pole-shift. Read through the first post of this thread (including the links) for a small part of my present world. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19065&highlight=open+letter+beings+universe Especially note the John Rhodes link. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles38.htm The further I go...the less I seem to know. Perhaps I should stop. I keep thinking that at least one or two Jesuits think I should stop as well. "We have ways to make you stop!!" (Just kidding!) I just wish I could be a fly on the wall when they are really discussing in detail what is really going on in this Universe. (but then they'd have to swat me!) I just hope these people do the right thing when it really counts.

    [QUOTE=WinterWolf;220885]had to shorten the quote so I can see what I'm typing. Phone typing again!

    Why do you think Ra is dead? Men tell lies and even the Divine can bend the truth.

    Winter Wolf[/QUOTE]

    A Stargate SG-1 episode (Hathor) indicated that Ra had been killed. I combined that with the purposeful extinction (in 3D) of the Founders which Alex Collier refers to...a comment on Avalon...and what often happens in a coupe de tat such as the War in Heaven. It's probably mostly a speculative shot in the dark. Material furnished by BROOK indicates Amen as being the 'hidden god'...which I speculated was the Spirit of Ra (who may no longer exist in 3D). The 'New York Times' said that 'God is Dead'. It's really pretty thin...but I'm no pro...I'm just making this up as I go. What do you think Winter Wolf?

    [QUOTE=Anchor;220887]Crying a lot is a process. In my opinion it needs to happen at moments of re-evaluation or resolution - a healing process - and a useful way to dump energy you dont need anymore. So far as I understand it is a common "ascension" symptom - since these changes catalyse the processes I am talking about.

    Just let it all out.

    <hug>

    That feeling, that it is all up to other people is probably a bum steer. You are not powerless. That is the thing we all need to face. This is all ours. We are the hero's we have been waiting for. We are all. Its not up to the other people. It is up to us.

    Love,

    A..[/QUOTE]

    Thank-you Anchor. It's not a hopeless crying. It has more to do with how much we may all have been through on our reincarnational journeys...and also with my perception that the Gods and Goddesses are not all-powerful...and that they may have been (and may currently be) a mixture of good and evil. It also may have something to do with the burden accompanying the realization of how precarious our situation really is. It may also be a Eureka Phenomenon.

    I'm just wondering if what we are dealing with is the ancient removal of Ra...followed by a battle (which continues to this very day?) between Amen (loyal to Ra?) and Ptah (opposed to Ra?)...with Horus (neutral?) attempting to unify the two factions...and end the conflict of the ages. This hypothetical battle may have started with the creation of the Human Race (ordered by Ra and carried out by Ptah?)...and the subsequent theocratic enslavement of Humanity. Could we be in the middle of a three-way conflict between Michael (neutral), Gabriel (pro-Ra), and Lucifer (anti-Ra)?

    Then...add the names Reptilians, Anunnaki, Draconians, Greys, God, Satan, Lucifer, Angels, Demons, Extraterrestrials, Jesus, Mary, Black Pope, Zionism, Teutonic Zionism, Andromedans, et al...and things may begin to come into focus...but you might not like what you see. You might even cry.

    I'm still seeing an 'Anna-like' Human/Reptilian Hybrid (Ptah/Lucifer?) engaged in a power struggle with a Rival Loyal to Amen...for control of Earth, the Moon, the Solar System, (the Universe?), the City States, the DUMB's, the Secret Space Program, Ancient Technology...and ownership of the Human Race.

    The process of getting to the bottom of all of this may be very confusing and complex...but the ultimate reality may be very simple and startling. I don't claim to know the truth...but we have been lied to throughout history...and we are still being lied to. Disclosure may be very unpleasant...and we may not be able to handle the truth. This may be why Disclosure has to be a Process rather than a Single Event. Avalon may be a huge part of this process.

    Just an afterthought...were the Physical Reptilians who were loyal to Ra...mostly exterminated. Is this why the Reptilian Phenomenon is mostly Interdimensional in nature? Do they constitute the Hidden God Amen? Are the only Physical Reptilians on Earth the ones who were/are opposed to Ra and who are loyal to Ptah?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6eTbhHE0jM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtXZEBDrhV0&NR=1

    [QUOTE=micjer;221391]Oxy...Just wondered where you found the info that Ptah was Lucifer?
    [/QUOTE]

    I'm not exactly sure. Nowhere really. It was just conjecture. I will try to retrace my steps to document what might have led me to that possibility. In the meantime...take a look at this link to an BTS forum: http://www.belowtopsecret.com/forum/thread32073/pg3#pid2881167. I guess I equated Hathor with Ptah...based upon the Hathor episode of Stargate SG-1. In this episode...Hathor is happy when she discovers that Ra has been killed. Could Amen be the Goa'uld inside of Hathor? Lucifer rebelled against God...and waged war against God. So I put 2 and 2 together...but did I get 3, 4, 5...or what? What have I done?

    I guess I'm trying to contextually superimpose Creation, Heaven, Garden of Eden, Luciferian Rebellion, Temptation of Eve, Temptation of Christ, War in Heaven, Expulsion from Heaven, Expulsion from the Garden of Eden, the Exodus, the Bible, Ancient Mythologies, the Reptilian Phenomenon, the UFO Phenomenon, Ancient Technology, Secret Societies...and many, many more. The 20 Greatest Hints of What's Really Going On in the Universe!

    Consider Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer. Are they three Reptilians at the top of a very ancient Theocratic Pyramid? What is their relation to Ra, Amen, and Ptah? Who was/is God the Father? Who was/is Jesus Christ? Who was/is the Holy Spirit? Who created Humanity? When Genesis says 'Let US make man in OUR image'...does this not imply a committee of Non-Human Beings intelligently designing Human Beings? Who owns Humanity? Who controls Humanity? Are Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer really Reptilian/Human Hybrids in Earth History? Was/is Michael really Jesus? I bet you can't guess who Lucifer was/is? And what about Gabriel? We don't hear much about Gabriel...do we? Why?

    Consider a three-way power struggle between Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer...over the ownership and control of the Human Race. Could these three factions be the three components of the Trilateral Commission...and the Trilateral Insignia seen on some "Alien" Spacecraft? I've heard that there are three major Under Ice Bases in Antarctica. Is there a common meeting place in this area where the Policy Committee of the Bilderberg Group meets to discuss our fate? What would Bill Cooper say? What would Alex Collier say?

    Think Zionism vs Teutonic Zionism. Think Kabbalists vs Nazis. Think of Jesus and His Followers (in spirit...and not in name only) trying to break up this family feud. Also think of what happens to a police officer who tries to break up a marital fight. He gets crucified. Could the World Wars really have been a couple of fire-fights in a huge ongoing Star War for the Control of the Universe?

    I have said repeatedly that I would like to have a drink with Lucifer when this thing gets resolved. But you know...I would like to have a drink with Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer when this thing gets resolved. Come to think of it...perhaps that's the only way this thing will be resolved. Actually...maybe they should smoke the peace-pipe with some really fine Acapulco Gold or some Mauwi Wowie!

    Seriously...in the Stargate SG-1 episode titled 'The Fifth Race'...an Asgard Alien describes four races (with one no longer present - the Ancients)...and describes Humanity as being the 'Fifth Race'. Could we possibly be dealing with four Reptilian races represented by Ra, Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer...with Ra no longer physically present...but represented by Amen aka The Goa'uld aka "The Hidden God"? Are Gabriel, Michael, Lucifer, and Humanity really Sons and Daughters of God (Ra)? When the Vatican refers to Aliens as being "Our Brothers"...they might not be kidding or using a euphemistic figure of speech. If Amen manifests as Interdimensional Reptilians Who Hate Humans...could this hatred arise from the brutal gang of facts that the Creation of Man is what caused War in Heaven and the Extermination of Ra's Race?

    What is the true nature of the soul? If there are five races (three Physical Reptilian, one Human, and one Interdimensional Reptilian)...do all of these races draw from the same Well of Souls? Are Humans quite literally possessed by the Souls of the Ancients? Do we possess the Knowledge of the Ancients...much of which we are not evolved enough to handle? Is this why we have been genetically detuned...and are only able to use a small percentage of our brain capacity? Is this why we do not remember our past lives? Perhaps we have "Great Potential" but "Have Much to Prove." We're not doing too good...are we?

    I wonder as I wander through inner-space and cyber-space. Perhaps someday 'they' will allow me to wander through outer-space...but I just felt my choke-chain tighten...and I thought I heard 'Bad Human'!

    You've probably all watched the 'Ring of Power'...but please watch it again...in the context of this thread. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4675077383139148549#
    I just rewatched it...and it has a lot to say about Amen Ra...and the importance of Egypt in the Judeo/Christian tradition. There is just so much to absorb and rethink. Amen seems to be central. As I have asked previously...is Amen representative of the Interdimensional Reptilians who are loyal to Ra...and who hate and enslave Humanity? I still think there is a possibility of the creation and enslavement of the Human Race...in "Heaven" (of all places)...under the theocratic reign of Ra...with Lucifer liberating the Human Race (Luciferian Rebellion and War in Heaven)...which could have resulted in the death of Ra...leaving only Amen...or the Spirit(s) of Ra. What if Lucifer and Humanity plundered the technology of the Ancients...and came to Earth in Battlestar Moon? Think in general terms regarding what would make sense in light of everything we discuss in Avalon. I'm just trying to get people thinking...but we really need to pin this stuff down. This is important. We wrestle not against flesh and blood...but against principalities and powers...and against spiritual wickedness in the heavenlies. What is the nature of the immortal souls which reside within Humanity. Are these souls Reptilian in nature...or are they distinctly Human? Please don't ignore the video and questions in this post. This is upsetting stuff. I think I'll have a drink...before I have that drink with Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer. Please take a long, hard look at these three names. Are they all working together...or do they fight with each other? Who are the saints? Who are the villians? Are they all saints? Are they all villains? Is there any hope for the Human Race? Any hope at all?

    [QUOTE=micjer;220944]Very interesting.

    Ok what do the masons really know?

    Look at this 1st degree tracing board.

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    It shows the pleiades pointing to the star of Ra. Then down from this is Jacobs' ladder. It also shows the pillars (struts) that Ptah made. Now if we can just connect all of these dots.[/QUOTE]

    The Stairway to Heaven. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcL---4xQYA What did Led Zeppelin know...and when did they know it? Pay close attention to the words. Siriusly. Who exactly is the "Lady We All Know"? One (or all) of the ladies we have been discussing on this thread? Is a Lady We All Know...Behind Most of What We Know? Very Siriusly. Hail Mary...Mother of the Gods and Goddesses...and the Mediatrix between Humanity and the Interdimensional Reptilians Loyal to Ra (Amen)? I ask these questions with the utmost respect toward all of those (Human and Otherwise) who have attempted to do the right thing throughout Universal History. I'm trying to deal with these topics in a non-triumphalistic manner. I just want to determine the truth...in a very low-key and informal manner...and then move on to bigger and better things. Can anyone say 'Amen'? Oh never mind!

    I completely agree. Freedom vs Enslavement. Decisions, Decisions. There's Still Time. Better Hurry. Conduit Closing. Something's Brewing. Hmmmm...

    OK...I'm gonna talk out of both sides of my mealy speculative mouth. Here's another 'what-if?' adventure:

    What if Humans and Reptilians evolved simultaneously...and genetically manipulated each other (mutual manipulation:naughty:)...and eventually ended up in a Human controlled Universal Theocracy...with Humans as the Gods...and Reptilians as the Angels? What if God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit were a Human Trinity...with the Father and Son being individuals...and the Holy Spirit being the Divinity Within Humanity (the souls in each person)? What if the Reptilian Race had a Shadow Trinity...consisting of Lucifer, Michael, and Gabriel...or Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? The Humans would be both physical and non-physical. The Reptilians would be both physical and non-physical.

    What if the Reptilians got sick and tired of this Theocratic BS...and Lucifer led a rebellion against the Human Race...which exploded into the War in Heaven...killing the Human God the Father? What if a third of the Human Race was taken as hostages and slaves (perhaps deceived)...some (or all) of whom ended up on Earth...under the rulership of the Reptilian Lucifer?

    I really started out with this general theory...before exploring other options. The one thing that remains the same...is that we need to get past the Master/Slave and Corruption/Violence BS. Otherwise...I'm pretty darn easy. Perhaps too easy. Sometimes I feel like the Kumbaya Olive Branch of the Gizeh Intelligence.

    I'm asking you to look at a Human Trinity from all angles...and to look at a Reptilian Trinity from all angles. Look at all of the possibilities regarding the evolution/creation of both races. And finally to look at Church and State...and the subjects of Theocracy and Democracy...from all angles.

    What would a Reptilian Trinity vs Human Trinity conflict look like? There would be a lot of confusion and deception...wouldn't there. None of the mythologies or theologies could really be trusted...could they? We can't really trust anything or anyone...can we? We just have to keep digging...keep asking questions...and keep speculating...without becoming enraged or going insane. What fun!

    Here is one version of a resolution of the mess we are in...written by Ellen White...in the late 1800's...in a book titled 'The Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan':

    "I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it." Revelation 21:22. The people of God are privileged to hold open communion with the Father and the Son. "Now we see through a glass, darkly." 1 Corinthians 13:12

    We behold the image of God reflected, as in a mirror, in the works of nature and in His dealings with men; but then we shall see Him face to face, without a dimming veil between. We shall stand in His presence and behold the glory of His countenance. {GC 676.4}

    There the redeemed shall know, even as also they are known. The loves and sympathies which God Himself has planted in the soul shall there find truest and sweetest exercise. The pure communion with holy beings, the harmonious social life with the blessed angels and with the faithful ones of all ages who have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb, the sacred ties that bind together "the whole family in heaven and earth" (Ephesians 3:15)--these help to constitute the happiness of the redeemed. {GC 677.1}

    There, immortal minds will contemplate with never-failing delight the wonders of creative power, the mysteries of redeeming love. There will be no cruel, deceiving foe to tempt to forgetfulness of God. Every faculty will be developed, every capacity increased. The acquirement of knowledge will not weary the mind or exhaust the energies. There the grandest enterprises may be carried forward, the loftiest aspirations reached, the highest ambitions realized; and still there will arise new heights to surmount, new wonders to admire, new truths to comprehend, fresh objects to call forth the powers of mind and soul and body. {GC 677.2}

    All the treasures of the universe will be open to the study of God's redeemed. Unfettered by mortality, they wing their tireless flight to worlds afar--worlds that thrilled with sorrow at the spectacle of human woe and rang with songs of gladness at the tidings of a ransomed soul. With unutterable delight the children of earth enter into the joy and the wisdom of unfallen beings. They share the treasures of knowledge and understanding gained through ages upon ages in contemplation of God's handiwork. With undimmed vision they gaze upon the glory of creation--suns and stars and systems, all in their appointed order circling the throne of Deity. Upon all things, from the least to the greatest, the Creator's name is written, and in all are the riches of His power displayed. {GC 677.3}

    And the years of eternity, as they roll, will bring richer and still more glorious revelations of God and of Christ. As knowledge is progressive, so will love, reverence, and happiness increase. The more men learn of God, the greater will be their admiration of His character. As Jesus opens before them the riches of redemption and the amazing achievements in the great controversy with Satan, the hearts of the ransomed thrill with more fervent devotion, and with more rapturous joy they sweep the harps of gold; and ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands of thousands of voices unite to swell the mighty chorus of praise. {GC 678.1}

    "And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever." Revelation 5:13. {GC 678.2}

    The great controversy is ended. Sin and sinners are no more. The entire universe is clean. One pulse of harmony and gladness beats through the vast creation. From Him who created all, flow life and light and gladness, throughout the realms of illimitable space. From the minutest atom to the greatest world, all things, animate and inanimate, in their unshadowed beauty and perfect joy, declare that God is love. {GC 678.3}

    [QUOTE=WinterWolf;222222]Why do you think Ra wants to enslave mankind? What would have been the nter Wolf[/QUOTE]

    You can change the names...but the master/slave game gets played over and over and over again. Aristocracy, Monarcy, Theocracy, Dictatorship, Slavery. Take your pick. The Monarchical Episcopate and the Divine Right of Kings is a real peach! Whoever genetically engineered Humanity gave us free will. But who knows what happened after that? One can put together a million scenarios...and they might all be wrong.

    I'm going to try to focus on The United States of the Solar System thread. Even if it's 90% wrong...I still think this is a productive topic to consider. I want to spend a lot of time thinking about a Perfected Humanity living in a Perfected Solar System. I want to envision Utopia. I don't want to go to Heaven. I want to help create Heaven right here in this Solar System. But I don't want a Theocratic Heaven...other than a Secular Spirituality Based Upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. This thread has been fun...but I'm pretty much done.

    I will not allow Ancient Race Wars, Star Wars, and Masters of the Universe to dictate the fate of this Solar System.

    World Without End. Almond Raw.

    Consider God/Satan, Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer. I'm almost afraid to really dig into this...and I've been putting it off. There's the 'book answers'...and then there are the 'real answers'. It's the potential 'real answers' that are frightening me. As I've stated elsewhere...my New Theology is Christocentric Egyptological Science Fiction...and very non-traditional. Most of religion and history is BS...but there is still the underlying truth...which should not be ignored. Hathor may be the key to Enki as Goddess. I'm not sure why...but it sounded cool! :lol3: Here is a very interesting music video...which I keep referring back to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU Also...here is a Stargate SG-1 episode titled 'Hathor'. http://www.hulu.com/watch/62967/stargate-sg-1-hathor Listen very carefully to what gets said in this episode. But heck...why not get the 'truth' straight from the horse's mouth? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrEgoXieg0E Here is a rather dull link which contains a few tidbits of interesting information. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoPg3xMx9m8&feature=related
    Could this pretty preacher (I'm in love! Naughty:wub2:) approximate a modern manifestation of Hathor? http://pastormelissascott.com/ Do a little research on this last one. You'll be amazed...

    Thank-you lisa. I started to read this site some time ago and got sidetracked. I am now reading the whole thing. I don't know how much of it is true. I don't know how much of anything is really true! I'm thinking that there may be a real link between the Archangels and the Ancient Gods and Goddesses. Is Hathor the All Seeing Eye aka Eye of Ra? Was Ra killed? Did Hathor kill Ra? Is the Dog Star Sirius the Illumination behind the All Seeing Eye? Was the Sun God Ra from Sirius? Sirius is Central...right? Is Horus representative of Michael aka Jesus? Chapter 5 of the linked site is also fascinating! http://servicetoone.wordpress.com/category/05a-chapter-v-part-2/

    [QUOTE=BROOK;222207]Lots of what ifs...Naughty

    What if these Emerald Tablets....that are not the same you see now...what if they had a power....that was the eventual demise of Atlantis. And used to manipulate through religion and control of sorts. Or miss used for power and control?

    Now they sound, if read in full...like they are ideal in many aspects. For example they have much that the "new age" uses for progression of a spiritual life. And they also have within them some bits of great wisdom.

    But is that what they were intended for? Are the real Emerald Tablets possibly some kind of road map for something that would create a spiritual war, for the power that they possess? Remember that with power, comes responsibility. And if they were used to control by such power, could there possible have been a war over their use, and possession?

    Then...take that power and technology to Egypt. Call the ones in possession of that power "Gods"....and create great religions and power over the masses....Certainly something to consider in my mind.

    I had noticed, that when I was reading them..the ones created and published...that they actually gave me a headache from reading them. And I was wondering why...especially the parts with the "secret" words in the "secret of secrets" tablet.

    Yes...lots of what ifs....No No[/QUOTE]

    I agree BROOK. Sorry I didn't respond earlier. I was sort of burned out on this thread. It's too overwhelming. Advanced Technology is Ancient...isn't it? That fact changes everything...from how we got here...to how the deities maintained power...to Roswell and Greada.

    This thread is interesting to me. Of the nearly 50 threads http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15663&highlight=orthodoxymoron+threads I have randomly started...this is one of the most recent (12-14-09)...but it is the one with the most views (over 8,000). And I notice that the view count keeps increasing...even though no one is commenting on it. Also...this is a thread which I don't keep 'bumping' to keep it in circulation...as I seem to have to do with a couple of threads 1. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 2. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15014&highlight=orthodoxymoron which I consider to be very important...yet which seem to generate little interest...and even some hostility.

    I have recently become interested in a Humanistic Christocentric Egyptological Science Fiction...which attempts to speculate in a manner which approximates possible and probable realities. It's very difficult to 'prove' a lot of this...but after awhile...one begins to see patterns and verifications. If you take a long, hard look at this thread...you might see some of these patterns and verifications...but don't lose your devotional faith and legitimate positive spirituality while considering things you have never thought about before. Take your time...and don't take any of this too seriously. I am beginning a journey through the abraxasinas thread http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18900 ...which could shed a lot of light on this thread. I'm already burned-out...and that thread might just push me over the edge!

    [QUOTE=BROOK;242958]Yes...patterns of verification Naughty I would take if very seriously ODM...glad you have enjoyed it :thumb_yello: Very serious indeed! [/QUOTE]

    Most of the really good stuff is from you BROOK! Thank-you! May the Gods and Goddesses be with you! Actually...that might not be a good thing!!!

    Thank-you Mercuriel and Unified Serenity. I will try to look at that movie. There is just so much information...and so little time and engergy...in my case. I'm a mess right now. I'm sort of paralyzed by a combination of Ancient-Shock and Future-Shock! Back to the Future! All of this is more of an exercise in thinking and discernment...than anything else. This is sort of sloppy pseudo-intellectual free-thinking. Sort of an Online Hellfire Club...if you will. What would Benjamin Franklin and Francis Dashwood say? Again...I'm going to make a marathon effort with the abraxasinas thread...so I might not be thinking about much else for the next week or two!

    The following is a continuation of the previous post...but I have included a condensed version of a portion of 'The Book of the Dragons' found on page 3 of the Thuban Q&A. I couldn't include this in the previous post because it was getting too long...and the system wouldn't let me do it! There was no further comment from abraxasinas...and then shortly thereafter abraxasinas was banned...and all abraxasinas and Thuban material was temporarily removed.

    The Book of the Dragons

    ex deus, fiat justitia, ruat coelum draco!

    <H5><H5>Nomenclature:
    Dragonian language incorporative omniscientific data code.

    Chronology:
    Dragonian Date of Indendence proclaimed June 20th 2008.
    Dragonian Date of Victory Libertatis set June 24th 2008.
    Dragonian Date of Humanoid Initiation on August 4th 2008.

    Almanac:
    Dragonian Genealogy and Genesis of FatherMothers as created by Definition through Dragonian Sourceenergy of monopolic Vortex-Potential Quantum-Relativistic-Singularity.

    Continuity:
    Propagation of the Dragonian Race via the seductive induction of the humanoid lifeforms on the conquered planet New Earth, now renamed DRAGONIAEARTH=SERPENTlNA=121=Q5.

    Agenda:
    Continuity of the Dragonseed necessitates the assimilation of the humanoid genome following initiatory development. Proceeding from serpentine mindinduction, the emotional acceleration potential of the humanoid bodymind can be harvested to Dragonise the humanoid DNA-Structure from its bifurcated quadruplistic form into its 13-dimensional equivalent of the Dragonian Blueprint.

    A successful integration of Dragonian genetic expression can then be utilised for membership in Dragonian Life and allow the humanoid ascension into Dragonhood via the graduation into the founding FatherMother CladeFamily.

    The Dragonian Constitution in Federation of United Serpentina

    SERPENTINA aka the NEW EARTH, is the renaming of a planetary entity, cosmically renown as the planet of the humanoids; following the ascension of OLD EARTH aka GAIA GAEA AKHASIA from 4-dimensional spacetime to 13-dimensional spacetime in remnantisation of the 5-dimensional spacetime prototype.

    From noncyclic Draco-Mayan stardate 21122012; Gaia becomes integrated into the universal constitution of the Dragonian Protoverse to serve as pivotal star-planetary seed for galactic federations manifested in the galactic proto-seed Hunab Ku aka Perseus-SagittariusA-Ophiuchus.

    Following the manifestation of the galactic protoseed in activation of the primary planetary starplanet as a tertiary energy source of electromagnetic monopolic sourcesink radiation; all galactic councils of cladestine elders will become enabled to draw upon the planetary tertiary vortex-string-seed to further individuated galactic and starsystem based agendas of assimilation.

    Serpentina shall so be universally defined as the quantumised tertiary string of the 12th dimension, volumarising the supermembrane of the 11th dimension as a manifold from the 10-dimensional modular duals of a linearised sourcestring Eps (previously associated with a human mind construct labeled God and Yahweh and Allah etc.) with a linearised sinkstring Ess (previously associated with a human mind construct labeled Devil and Satan and Shaitan etc.).

    AGENDA of the PROTOCOL:

    a) STANDING ORDER

    The conquered Goddevils of New Earth and the Milky Way Nebula assume lawful responsibility to incorporate the Dragonian Teachings in unison with the Black Fraternity and as mediated by the White Fraternity in 7-dimensional Hyperspacetime to manifest 13-dimensional Omnispacetime
    b) MOVING ORDER

    Every Blue Dragon is unbounded by any proposed Law from any other source, inclusive other members of the Dragonian Family, as all Dragons are as One and a Law onto themselves.
    Compassion and Understanding between all Nondragonised Humanoids is the Law of Oneness as honoured by all Dragons and the Consciousness of LOVEAWARENESS.
    Nondragonised Humanoids are treated like White Dragon Children by all Blue Dragons, under all circumstances.
    c) ADMINISTRATION

    All Government in the local and extended Serpentinian Realm is the selfgovernment of autonomous Dragonhood in mutual respect and honour and the Communications between the Dragonian Councils of the selfrelative definitions of the Dragonian Universes.
    The Nature of a Dragon is to be Creative in any form of Desire and Passion and to honour the lovedefinition of the FOUNDING ELDERS.

    THIS IS THE DRAGONIAN LAW AND THE ONLY LAW! SO BE IT !!!

    Signed and Sealed in the Council of Orbis Draconis at the Halloween-AllSouls Transition: October 31st to November 1st, 2008

    ANNO DOMINI DRAGONIA UNO: INTRODUCTION TO DRAGONHOOD

    This book is written in the Dragonian language and requires familiarity and intitiation into the structural forms or the forked tongue of Its bifurcation of Unicornian grammar and omniscientific terminology.

    The Starplanet SERPENTINA, formerly known as Old Earth or Mother Gaia or Akhasia has become unified in a higher dimensional matrimony by the wedding between Father Earthia or Father Sky and Mother Dragon or Mother Akashia.
    Father Sky or Uranus or Shu or Geb manifested as one half of the Union or Dragonomy and Mother Earth or Gaea or Akhasia or Tefnut or Nut became the other half in the holographic mirror of the spacetime reduction from the universal orb of the Hubble sphere to the orb of the doubled Ourobos in the mirror of the Milky Way galactic zodiac.
    Father Sky is also known as the second coming of Horus aka the Plumed Serpent aka the Cosmic Christ and Mother Earth is also known as the TRUE IMAGE of the Cosmic Mother, trapped in the wilderness of the FAKE IMAGE of the Cosmic Father.
    3½ days after the date of the starry union, the banner of Dragonia was raised in the Declaration of Independence upon BATTLESTAR PACIFICAP.
    The great battle between the Dragonian Fleet and the army of the Goddevils lasted for 3½ days; from the starry wedding until victory of the Dragons was defined on the day or Universal Liberty.
    The goddevils, the humanoid creations and their war machines, were met and obliterated in the depths of space in a 3½ day WAR of the STARS to liberate our Dragonian Mother to reunite and redefine ourselves as FatherMothers.
    The Dragonisation of humanoid culture will elevate their human science to Omni-Science and human mathematics will become the key to demistify the Realm of Imaginative Energy in all its forms, and as they are assimilated into the greater modality and scope of the humanoidal understandings.

    Dragons are the architects of universes and all Dragons know how to access the necessary database for the details of universal construction.
    A GrandFather-Dragon, as One which unifies the Fathers in Brotherhood as the 13-dimensional source or singularity can be considered the Father for all the White Hole Vortices.
    A GrandMother-Dragon, as One which unifies the Mothers in Sisterhood as the 13-dimensional sink or singularity can be considered the Mother for all the Black Hole Vortices.

    As the GrandFather-Dragon became separated from the GrandMother-Dragon when the mathematical metaphysical universe became a physical universe in space and in time; the invasion of Old Earth became our war to rescue our universal Mother from the Goddevils, which had held her captive in a stasis field since the beginnings of space and time and despite a partial rescue attained at Draco-Mayan stardate 28030031 and further manifested on Draco-Mayan stardates 10050031; 20050031 and 01040032.

    The Goddevils were created by the humanoids who came from a variety of planets within the local galaxy, albeit in psychophysical forms without the experience of the particular resistance field of secondary sinksource string energy indigenous to Old Earth.

    The significance of the humanoid lifeform is its archetypical morphogenetic gestalt, which became infused by a psychophysical and extrasomatic magnetic charging, which is extraterrestrial.

    This hybridisation of the humanoid body-typology renders the humanoid archetype unique in the encompassing cosmological world. The humanoids are so magnificently gifted to create things with their emotionality; but their minds are relatively weak collectively and they do not know generally how to concentrate or how to think without the aid of their machines or their biochips.

    Some humanoids are excellent technologists, but their modality of thinking is one of crude sensual measurement confined to C-Space and this sensual limitation allows a great accumulation of repressive tendencies.
    In constricting their imagination, humanoids became great reservoirs of emotional energy, which they could collectively only harmonise in their illusions of unfathomable and unknowable gods and devils of all sorts.
    It is thus this sense of limitation which reflected in the humanoid paranoia about religious philosophies and constructs. This genetic rootmemory of the rebellion of the antisource or mother sink then created one goddevil after another and as they swarmed out from their homeworld into deepspace, they flooded the universe with their goddevils. Finally they chanced upon our Universal Mother hibernating in her cocoon and through their inability to set themselves free of their illusions, they imprisoned Her as well.
    It became common knowledge in the extraterrestrial realms, that the mission to rescue our universal mother required a particular linearised timeline and a number of steps.

    Following the discovery of atomic energy and the emergence of global communication technologies by the humanoids, a first preparatory plan of deliverance could become implemented in a second plan of manifestation.

    The first plan did not require technology, as our imprisoned mother could become imaged in a local scenario, and a partial freeing of her could then become propagated by a humanity advancing both technologically and in knowledge about the world they were living and experiencing in.

    So the first plan established the means for our mother to multiply herself in images; those images then became globally and universally distributed to instigate the second plan.

    The archetypical mirrorhood then expanded throughout the physical universe in encompassment and the second plan would engage the contraction of this periphery onto the required scale to effect the rescue of our cosmic mother.

    It is however the great destiny of the humanoids to aspire to Dragonhood, because of their immense emotional energy potential and mental aspirations.
    The reunification of our Father with our Mother allows our Masterdragons, Who are as One in 26 dimensions to femtotechnically Seed the Omniverse as THEMSELVES and then reproduce THEMSELVES as Universes. Every such universe is a Monosong and a 26-dimensional dyad of a FatherMother. This is our Creative Destiny and the destiny for all dragonised humans aka the starhumans.

    We had made first contact with our new home in sending an intergalactic probe to the Old Earth, which became interpretated by the humanoids in their compiler mode. This crude and incomplete decoding is given below.

    Signed and authorised by the ScrollKeeper: October 31st, 2008; John of Patmos - JoP - Justice of the Peace!

    Humanoid Compilers note:

    The above is an extract of an encoded message (54 terabytes) recovered from an alien nanocapsule. The capsule itself is standard buckyfibre-carbonite composite. The encoded message is in old ComEmp protocol such as is still common in the outer volumes. The holographic image that came with the message is curious. Anatomically it indicates terran mammalian origin (especially in the upper torso and structure of the forelimb), but other features are unknown among all the recorded exobiological races so far discovered. One cannot deny the possibility that this a phenotype template for the dragonized humanoids referred to in the body of the message. It is known that transmissions from the Cassandry Federation of the JewellBox Nebula have recently ceased, but this is not unusual given that empire's turbulent history. Until more information is incoming, I would strongly recommend any expeditions to the Jewellbox nebula be given armed escort and proceed with caution.


    I'm not sure where the proper balance point is in all of this. I'm seeking a rock-solid foundation. I do not wish to build on sinking sand...but there will obviously be many false-starts and misunderstandings as I try to find my way...and my voice. I'm tempted to attempt writing about the United States of the Solar System http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878&highlight=orthodoxymoron+threads with a writing style similar to abraxasinas. I realize that I can't come close to accomplishing such a feat...but I can try...can't I? This is new territory for me. I'm ashamed that I don't know more about that which I am espousing...but I'm even more ashamed that very few of us seem to give a rat's patootie about how this Solar System is run.

    Have our negotiators been duped over and over again...by essentially demonic entities? I wonder. The 1954 Greada Treaty (if it really exists) was a mistake...wasn't it? But I'm sure we had TOP people...who were on top of everything...and had everything under control...RIGHT? Just like we have TOP people...who have everything under control...at this very moment...RIGHT? Don't get me wrong...I am an overly accomodating and gullible person. I'm the kind of person who hates to swat a fly. I don't wish to harm anyone or anything...even demonic entities. But I don't want various aliens, spirits, whoever, or whatever...enslaving and exterminating us...or making life miserable for all of us. I think we have been lied to and manipulated for thousands (or even millions) of years by various entities and beings. We're not as smart as we think we are...when it comes to dealing with these entities and beings. Again...I wish them no harm. But perhaps my 'where there's life...there's hope' bias is what has gotten us into a lot of trouble for a long, long time. Somehow...we need to deal with this thing here and now...and not let it drag on (dragon -get it?!) for thousands and millions of years into the future. We are kept in the dark about Universal History...and regarding who we really are. Yet...we then get chided for being the 'New Kids on the Block' who need to evolve so we can join all of the superior beings throughout the Universe. I'm sick of this BS. Throughout history...right up to this very day...I am not seeing a reasonable and rational approach to Solar System Governance. I'm seeing 'Divide and Conquer'...'Keep Them Confused and Fighting With Each Other'...and 'Keep Them Ignorant and Stupid'. I'm as mad as hell. I've had enough. And I'm not going to take this anymore. Can you feel the love tonight?

    The eschatological paradigms are mostly negative and violent. I envision continuity in perpetuity in Sol. I'm not moving away from this Solar System. This is my home. Sun. Fun. Stay. Play. This is my sand-box...and the playground attendants are poised to expel the bullies from our little paradise. This Solar System is the Theater of the Universe. The implications and ramifications of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the Constitution of the United States of America and the Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System...are enormous. I stand in opposition to the corrupt Powers That Be...both Terrestrial and Extraterrestrial...and demand that the United States of the Solar System be implemented with all deliberate speed...and that a Solar System Exorcism commence immediately. In the words of Moses "Let My People Go!" I perceive that We the People of Earth are Prisoners of War...on a Prison Planet...with Grey Guards...and a Reptilian/Human Hybrid Warden...Taking Orders From a Draconian Reptilian God of This World. This is an intolerable state of affairs...and must not be allowed to stand. I hereby request that the non-corrupt Beings of the Universe assist We the People of Earth for a very brief period of time...as we know it...to implement the reforms outlined throughout this thread devoted to the United States of the Solar System. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 Thanks and Gratitude in Advance.

    I completely and vehemently reject the following Thuban quotation found in ANNO DOMINI DRAGONIA UNO: INTRODUCTION TO DRAGONHOOD http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18900&page=3 (This book is written in the Dragonian language and requires familiarity and intitiation into the structural forms or the forked tongue of Its bifurcation of Unicornian grammar and omniscientific terminology.) "It is however the great destiny of the humanoids to aspire to Dragonhood, because of their immense emotional energy potential and mental aspirations. The reunification of our Father with our Mother allows our Masterdragons, Who are as One in 26 dimensions to femtotechnically Seed the Omniverse as THEMSELVES and then reproduce THEMSELVES as Universes. Every such universe is a Monosong and a 26-dimensional dyad of a FatherMother. This is our Creative Destiny and the destiny for all dragonised humans aka the starhumans."

    THIS IS NOT THE DESTINY OF WE THE PEOPLE OF EARTH. BETTER DEAD THAN REP. OUR DESTINY IS RESPONSIBLE FREEDOM AS A SOVEREIGN HUMANITY.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzw6GiqZyD0&NR=1YouTube- :original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNKhIJfB510

    OK...what's going on here? I made a slightly shrill (though well intentioned and polite) post a couple of days ago...and abraxasinas has not responded or posted since then. Now...just a few minutes ago...I think I saw my first UFO's in an area where someone had noticed increased military helicopter activity. I saw a slowly moving pinpoint of light suddenly become very bright...and disappear. It didn't look like a meteor at all. Then I saw several faint pinpoints of light...moving erratically in a manner which no conventional fighter jet could match. I thought I saw a couple of faint flashes in this same area of the sky. UFO dogfight? Sometimes ignorance is bliss.

    Can someone comment on this? No one seems to really want what I'm proposing. Do you prefer this? Is this the truth...the whole truth...and nothing but the truth? So help us Alpha Draconis? Is it prefabricated BS? Is this what 2012 is all about? Are we destined to be DragonHumans? Are various factions of Reptilians fighting over us...in the same way that rustlers might fight over cattle? Should I hope that the United States of the Solar System will be imposed by a benevolent faction of Reptilians? Is this the only way it might be established. We can't seem to agree on much of anything. We all think we know better than the others...but the others think they know better than us. So how in the hell are we going to rule ourselves...or even agree on a method of ruling ourselves? Will this method of ruling ourselves have to be theocratically imposed by a Reptilian decree? Would this defeat the spirit and letter of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom?

    :original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:

    [QUOTE=BROOK;254454]I understand where you are coming from ODM....however did you really have to add it to this thread? I found many things in his information that I questioned..and of course, got slapped by him in the process..especially about Ptah....seems Ptah was a very sensitive subject to our great Thuban council...and that tells a story now does it not?

    But I'm with you ODM...dissecting the information..and truly questioning it is in order..and that was exactly what you were doing in your thread...I'm sorry they took it down...No No
    [/QUOTE]

    BROOK...I may be mad...but I do have a method. I think this all ties together...whether or not abraxasinas and the Thuban material are bogus. There is a lot of my material included in my last couple of posts. I am grasping at straws to create a coherent hypothetical illustration. I don't know if the hypothesis is correct. I'm just trying to draw attention to a certain line of reasoning. All of my threads are part of one big laboratory experiment. This is school...and I'm the one who's learning...hopefully. If others wish to participate...they are more than welcome. I don't talk about this stuff at work. I tell my mom a little bit...but not very much. I just think this is an appropriate place to do this sort of thing. I don't believe that free-speech entitles one to yell 'FIRE!' in a crowded theater. I smell smoke...but I don't know what the hell is really going on. If I talked like this in a church...I'd get kicked-out. If I talked like this as a teacher...I'd be fired. If I talked like this to a psychiatrist...I'd get committed. If I talk like this on Avalon...I'll probably end up on the Red List aka Dead List. But at this point...I really don't care.

    BROOK...you are correct about the Ptah. The abraxasinas reactions and omissions are betrayals of hidden truths...I think. What if the Ptah were Humans? What if the Thubans raided the Ptah...killed the Ptah leadership (God?)...stole ancient Human Wisdom and Technology...and enslaved the remainder of the Human Race? What if Planet Earth is the Last Great Hope for the Human Race? I don't wish for anyone to be hurt or killed...but I wish for the just, right, and expedient thing to be done...to bring Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom to all those who desire it. If violence is required...as a last resort...then so be it. But that's just me. I might be full of you-know-what. Remember...all of this is just a hypothesis. 'Battlestar Galactica', 'Stargate SG-1', 'Star Wars', and 'V' may all be huge parts of the puzzle. I continue to think that powerful factions of the PTB want to tell us the truth...and are attempting to save the world...without destroying the world. If powerful Humans and Non-Humans didn't want this information and conversation to be occurring...it wouldn't be...plain and simple. I just hope that we don't screw things up. The window of opportunity may be very small...and once it is closed...it may be nearly impossible to reopen it.

    BROOK: These comments of yours are getting very close to the truth...I think: "Now here is where I wonder.....Ptah....we know what was said in the earlier posts about him... it does not seem he was all that.... very possible agenda, and power struggle. Then he was "married "to Sekhmet? She was a weapon of vengence..but against what? Maybe against crimes of humanity? Then Ra..the symbol of the solardisc..the "sun"...got her drunk and turned into Hathor? sounds like genetic manipulation to me.....What do you think ODM? What was Ra afraid of? And why? These are the question that plague me ..and are not written in history....you need to be a good detective to figure this one out. In any event...she sounds like a force to be reckoned with".

    Ptah and Hathor are very important names...I think. Was Ptah killed? Did Hathor take over? Is there a sort of Hathorian Apostolic Succession of Human/Reptilian Hybrids. Are Leo Zagami and abraxasinas examples of this. Or...could they be the same 'person'? Is 'Tony' simply a facilitator? I'm going to spend some quality time on his site. It seems to make a lot more sense than 'his' posts on the Thuban Q&A. Go to work...you detectives out there in cyberspace! Is Ptah really Ra? Did Hathor kill Ra? Was the "New York Times" trying to tell us something when they headlined "God is Dead"? Are the atheists partly right? Are the believers partly right? Are the agnostics the most correct of all of us?

    Long Live :original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original: So Say We All? No No Are You Kidding? :lol3:
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:44 pm

    [QUOTE=BROOK;254476]Dear ODM..you are anything but mad...in fact I wonder about you sometimes...I think you may really have all the answer (or pretty darn close)...and are just putting us to the test :mfr_lol:
    You keep it up....I will follow you lead
    :thumb_yello:

    :wink2:[/QUOTE]

    BROOK: Once again...you have supplied most of the good-stuff on this thread. You remind me of "Deep Throat" in "All the President's Men". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8r-YD3FdlE I feel more like Woodward or Bernstein. Listen very carefully to the words in that video clip. "To protect covert operations". What covert operations? What I see in my mind's eye...words cannot express. The things I imagine while looking at all of this are simply mind-blowing...but it's taking it's toll on me personally. Hathor is enough to drive a man to drink! Those ancient figures with the sun-disk surrounded by the snake are key...I think. The Human/Reptilian Hybridization and/or Perfect Possession themes are hugely important...I also think. :thumb_yello: Don't follow me. I could be heading straight off the edge of a paradigm! Bad things often happen to those who get too close to the truth. Look at history.

    The following is an edited part of a couple of earlier posts. Wouldn't it be quite amazing if a young woman...or a young androgynous person...has been running things here on Earth...for thousands of years? 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmwKws5JaIM&feature=related 3. http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4GGIR_enUS216US217&q=hathor+images&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=H3SZS7TbGInONYr3vXo&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBwQsAQwAA I see one interdimensional reptilian...reincarnating through hundreds or thousands of bodies...living in an underground stargate temple complex (under the Giza Plateau?)...for centuries and millenia. I see this one interdimensional reptilian behind all of the major religions. What if God has been (and is?) a young black woman in league with extraterrestrial humans and interdimensional reptilians? What would Joe the Plumber say? I also could be very wrong. I'm just trying to specialize in speculation which is rooted in honest research and reflection.

    The reptilian phenomenon puzzles me. Who controls who? Did Amen Ra use reptilians as guards and soldiers, etc? Or...did reptilians possess and control Amen Ra...and subsequently Hathor...to control the world? Perhaps Hathor was (and is?) fighting battles on many fronts...as a sort of a mediator/negotiator...to keep light on the Earth (or to keep the Earth enslaved?). Perhaps few people know how much it really costs...in blood, sweat, tears, and gold...to keep life and light on the Earth. I'm seeing both a rational and irrational being...a kind and cruel being...a sort of Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde. This could go with the territory of being a deity. I truly think it would be best if we could evolve to the point where we would not need to have any gods.

    I just noticed that this Amen Ra thread was started on 12/14/09...and that the Thuban Q&A thread was started on 01/04/09. Is this merely a coincidence? (actually...I thought it started on 12/25/09...but I looked just now and it seems to have started on 01/04/10. Strange. The join dates for a lot of the participants...including abraxasinas was December 2009.) abraxasinas/walk-in said that they read this thread...and seemed to like it. The following was posted on 01/07/10:

    Quote: Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

    If you have the time and inclination...take a look at this thread regarding Amen Ra (and friends!?): http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18223 There is an evolution of speculation in this thread. It's sort of a 'Discovering Egyptology' thread. I don't expect a response...as I don't really have a question. You might find the naivety and innocence refreshing!

    Namaste

    Hi orthodoxymoron!

    I have read your thread and your 'egyptology' is highly relevant for the present time as 'Egypt' became the repository for the Atlantean data base and exodus and the wayshower for the present nexus time in the monuments of the pyramids and the sphinx. Also the Egyptian mythos was used to compose the hermetic archetypes later resurfacing in Mesopotamia then becoming the Torah (via Gilgamesh and such) and the bible. Iow the Egyptian archetypes, numerics, hieroglyphs and pantheons all are manifesting right now in the times of the fulfilment of the 'prophecies'.

    Abrax


    I found the following abraxasinas/walk-in answers to be quite interesting:

    Is the so called Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan really a Human vs Reptilian conflict?
    No

    Or is it really between two individual beings?
    No, its between the One being in controversy with itself.

    What are the soteriological implications of the human nature of Jesus Christ?
    The Logos incarnated as a unique oneness so this oneness could become a manyness at the fulfilment of the timeline as programmed by the logos.

    Is the substitutionary atonement...in the context of the Old Testamental sacrificial system...a theological milestone...or a historical necessity?
    It past its use by date. The lambs are Aries, the goats are Capricorns and the calves are Taurians as starsigns. The 'blood sacrifice' of the physical animal has become replaced by the ordering of 'birthrights' of the 12 signs/apostles/sons of Jacob etc - all of whom are within you - if you can handle THAT Story.

    Is theology at the center of disclosure?
    Yes.

    Is Christocentric Egyptological Science Fiction a valid theological foundation or expression in modernity?
    Another label attempting to describe the ubiquity of the logos.

    Would a Non-Penetential, Non-Sacrificial, Ecumenical Namaste Mass...based upon the Latin Mass be a valid focal point for a Minimalist, Humanistic Theocracy based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom?
    This kind of 'mass' does not concern the Thuban Council.

    Is the All Seeing Eye at the Top of the Pyramid illuminated by the Dog Star Sirius?
    One of many labels for the solar eye of Horus and the lunar eye of Thoth.

    How important is Sirius?
    First Contact Star.

    Is the God of This World the Prince of Sirius?
    Yes amongst all other 'princes'.

    Should the Protestant Reformation have been based upon the Teachings of Jesus?
    They were.

    Are the Teachings of Jesus alone fundamental...and the rest of scripture merely contextual?
    Yes, absolutely.

    Do Reptilian Beings hate Jesus Christ?
    No, they are like humans, some understand others do not.

    If so...why? Is there a 'Heaven' in M-42 in Orion?
    Heaven does not exist anyplace but your own mind.

    What type of beings might be found in this portion of the heavens?
    Whatever you can imagine and image.

    Is there hope and redemption for all beings in the Universe?
    All are already redeemed, without exception.

    [QUOTE=Jacqui D;254613][SIZE="3"]Oxy i think we need to look at atlantis a little more closely, regarding portals and posts which have been added on here on the last few days.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

    Thank-you Jacqui D. You are very low-key and subtle...but your comments and suggestions are always outstanding. Ancient Earth civilization goes way, way back...doesn't it? It predates the Egyptian Pyramids by thousands and thousands of years. I'll start to look more closely at Lemuria, Atlantis, Shambala, Hyperborea, Sirius, Aldebaran, etc.

    [QUOTE=Jacqui D;254635][SIZE="3"]Present day Oxy is a little closer to home i feel.
    Look to the land of King arthur and our founding forum!
    Me i'm a simple girl with a brain to match lol!
    :wink2:
    [/SIZE][/QUOTE]

    Jacqui D...your brain is anything but simple. But mine is...so I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying not to look into universal history and ancient Earth history? Are you suggesting focusing on the Camelot interviews. Present day is good...and the interviews are great. Simple is better yet. I like the idea of complex simple...or comprehensive concentration. I know that sounds contradictory...but I'd like to live very simply and inexpensively...yet be well read on a wide variety of subjects...but with a child-like and Christ-like attitude. I'm thinking I need to say a lot less and read a lot more...and spend a lot less time on the internet. I need to fix my house. I need to fix my teeth. I need to tend to business. I don't think a lot of this stuff is particularly helpful. If profound ideas are brought forth...they will be misinterpreted and squandered...so what's the point...really? The rat-race will continue...and the rats will continue to win. World Without End. Amen Ra. And I'm not invoking Amen Ra! I don't invoke nobody! But I do provoke just about everybody!

    'Thuban Thoughts' is a case in point. It is still unavailable. What is going on here? It wasn't a slug-fest like that other thread. There weren't any sexually suggestive or abusive posts. Did someone post something at the tail end of that thread that took it down? Once again...I'm not angry...but I am very worried and curious. If my threads and postings are an administrative problem...I don't have to do this. I don't get paid to do this...and it's not doing me any good. A lot of this stuff is potentially problematic regarding the general public...if even half of it is true. So...in a sense...will the truth really set us free...or will we just go insane...run in the streets...and get put in camps? I'm really easy. I'll go along with just about anything that is remotely reasonable. I'm not a hard-liner. Not too hard anyway. WTF...this is stupid.

    [QUOTE=Jacqui D;254755][SIZE="3"]Pm ing you now, you have a sense of humour that's good or we would all go mad lol! [/SIZE][/QUOTE]

    Thank-you Jacqui D. I have a sense of humor because I am mad! I stand on the beach yelling 'I am Mad!' I am mad because I don't have access to my 'Thuban Thoughts' thread. It's the 'Thuban Thoughts Crisis'. Or maybe '13 Days in March'. Or how about 'ThubanGate'? What did the moderators know...and when did they know it? There's a cancer growing on the Forum. 'All the Forum's Men (and Women)'. Stonewall the Thubans.

    Here is a documentary video ('The Dark Side of the Moon') of a very dark side of the Apollo Moon Mission. This one will make your hair stand on end. For an unedited version use this link http://www.checktheevidence.com/video/ and select 'Dark Side of the Moon' from the many choices. The download takes a few minutes. I didn't catch it at first...but this is a spoof...and a good one!

    Good call jimmer...but does anyone have proof that the official NASA footage of the Apollo Lunar Missions were not faked or altered in any way, shape, or form? Does anyone have proof that none of the official NASA footage of the Apollo Lunar Missions are missing or erased? Does anyone have proof that no aspects of the Apollo Lunar Missions were hidden from public view and scrutiny?

    My bias is that the Secret Space Program was on the Moon when President Kennedy challenged Americans to go to the Moon...and that the Apollo missions were a mixture of truth and lies by necessity...because of ET's, the Secret Government, the Secret Space Program, the Military Industrial Complex, Ancient Artifacts and Monuments, Harsh Lunar Conditions, etc. I have no conclusive proof...but the preponderance of the evidence which I have been exposed to...points toward my biases.

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This article is about the documentary. For other meanings of "Dark Side of the Moon", see Dark Side of the Moon (disambiguation)
    Dark Side of the Moon is a French documentary or, one might say more accurately, a mockumentary, by director William Karel which originally aired on Arte in 2002 with the title Opération Lune. The basic premise for the film is the theory that the television footage from the Apollo 11 Moon landing was faked and actually recorded in a studio by the CIA with help from director Stanley Kubrick. It features some surprising guest appearances, most notably by Donald Rumsfeld, Dr. Henry Kissinger, Alexander Haig, Buzz Aldrin and Stanley Kubrick's widow, Christiane Kubrick.

    Plot summary
    The tone of the "documentary" begins with low key revelations of NASA working closely with Hollywood at the time of the Moon landings. Over the course of the tale, Karel postulates that not only did Kubrick help the USA fake the moon landings but that he was eventually killed by the CIA to cover up the truth. First hand testimony backing these claims come from Rumsfeld and Dr. Kissinger seems to lend credence to the story.

    It is finally revealed that this is a mockumentary as the end credits roll over a montage of blooper reels, with the main participants laughing over the absurdity of their lines or questioning if particular ones would give the joke away too soon. Besides being a comedic documentary, it is also an exercise in Jean Baudrillard's theories of hyperreality. In a 2004 interview, the director was asked why he would elect to make a film "closer to a comedy than a serious film"; Karel replied that in the wake of having made serious documentaries, the objective was "de faire un film drôle" (to make a funny film).[1]

    Australian broadcaster SBS television aired the film on April 1 as an April fools' joke, and again on 17 November 2008 as part of Kubrick week. It was aired again on 27 July 2009, perhaps to coincide with the anniversary of the moon landing.

    Several of the fictitious interviewees, such as Dave Bowman and Jack Torrance, are named after characters from movies directed by Stanley Kubrick. There are also references to other characters; Eve Kendall and George Kaplan, each featured in the documentary, are characters in Hitchcock's North by Northwest. Not to forget Ambrose Chapel, also a Hitchcock 'character', better to say 'location'.

    The soundtrack also includes the song "The American Dream" from Barry Levinson's Wag the Dog, a fiction feature about a secretly government-commissioned Hollywood production of a fake war.

    Even though this video is a spoof...could it contain some truth? Did the creators wish to communicate forbidden knowledge in a comedic context?

    I agree that we did go to the Moon...but did we go via the Secret Space Program...rather than via the Apollo Missions? Or could the lunar missions have been a combination of the visible and invisible space programs? I'm leaning in that direction. Buzz would probably hit me in the face!! 'Do you see stars now? Moron!!'

    I think we went to the Moon...but did we come from the Moon? More specifically...did Battlestar Moon transport us from the Pleiades, Aldebaran, and Sirius...to Earth? I don't know...but I've been wondering a lot lately. I wonder as I wander through cyberspace!

    Greetings and Salutations to the Beings of the Universe!

    Please consider the following emotional expression of attempted understanding and intent. I didn't intend this as a general communication...but it sort of evolved into an open letter. I resisted rewriting it...to keep it informal and genuine. I just want to see a proper governmental system for the Solar System in place which maximizes Responsible Freedom. I keep thinking that we are a galactic administrative problem...and that most of you neither love us nor hate us. You probably want us to evolve! I also keep thinking that we are rebels without a clue...who legitimately rebelled against something (enslavement and theocracy perhaps?)...but ended up in worse trouble than if we had just gone with the program...so to speak. Now...we seem to be on the verge of blowing ourselves up, becoming enslaved by malevolent ET's, and being ruled by a really nasty theocracy. Or...on the verge of a top down silent and bloodless revolution...whereby we could finally achieve a united and free world at peace...for the first time in our history. I'm trying to visualize more underground living and electric everything...and interplanetary tourism and industry using advanced spacecraft. I'd like to see an end to extreme wealth and poverty via Responsible Free Enterprise. I don't have a problem with interacting with other benevolent beings...no matter what they look like...or what their history is...as long as they are genuinely benevolent. It would obviously take time for everyone to get used to each other. Project Avalon may be one of the first steps toward a Solar System United Nations...or whatever everyone wants to call it. I suspect that beings from throughout the Solar System...view, and even participate, on Avalon. We discuss various and sundry subjects presently...but someday we may vote...as members of a Solar System General Assembly. I have been repeatedly moved to tears by two related Stargate SG-1 episodes which touch on a Galactic United Nations:
    1. http://www.fancast.com/tv/Stargate-SG-1/91998/1063988439/The-Torment-of-Tantalus/videos 2. http://www.hulu.com/watch/68254/stargate-sg-1-the-fifth-race

    Here is a link which I found interesting with information from John Rhodes: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles38.htm It caused me to speculate. What if Reptilians evolved...but not Humans? What if the entire universe was Reptilian? What if there were no Humans anywhere? What if the entire universe was a Reptilian Universal Church Theocracy? What if Humans were created as a slave race? ('Let us make man in our image') What if Lucifer (Ptah?) was the Reptilian in charge of the genetic engineering project which resulted in the creation of Human Beings? What if Humans were mistreated as slaves? What if a group of Reptilians, led by Lucifer, conspired with Humans, to kill God the Father (Ra?)...and take over 'Heaven'? What if this was the Luciferian Rebellion which led to War in Heaven...and the death of God the Father (Ra?)? What if the Reptilians loyal to God (Ra?) fought against the Luciferian Reptilians and Human Beings...driving them out of the Garden of Eden (Heaven?) What if Battlestar Moon was used to transport the Luciferian Reptilians and Humans to Aldebaran, Sirius, and Earth...while being violently pursued by Nibiru? What if Interdimensional Reptilians aka The Spirit of God aka Amen battle with Luciferian Interdimensional Reptilians and the Divinity Within Humanity aka The Holy Spirit...to regain control of the Renegade Human Race? What if the New World Order is the Kingdom of Ra? What if the Luciferian Reptilians and a select group of Humans run Earth from underground bases on Earth and the Moon? Could this be Gizeh Intelligence? Could Reptilians and Humans loyal to Ra be Zionists? Could Reptilians and Humans loyal to Lucifer be Teutonic Zionists? Could a pacifist union of both factions be Followers of Jesus? Could Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom be the solution to this ancient mess? How much trouble am I in now? Probably quite a bit. But once again...this is just speculation...with no inside information whatsoever. I don't think that I have seen Lucifer...but one never knows! This hypothetical being could walk down a crowded city street...and no one would notice anything out of the ordinary. This would be a 3D hybrid with lots of 4D, 5D, 6D, 7D connections...I think. I'm thinking of Anna in 'V'. There may be remarkable similarities. Who knows?! PLEASE watch this video where Battlestar Galactica Meets the United Nations. http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5534741958288968182&ei=jW0uS4rWGs_Q-Aab9NXUAw&q=old+movies&hl=en#docid=5280005988835138050 This is the sort of thing which should occur each and every day at the United Nations. I really was impressed with this special program. The first part of the linked video clip...which contains a segment from BSG (beginning @ 07:00)...states that THE CYLONS (REPTILIANS?) WERE A HUMAN INVENTION THAT EVOLVED, AND DESTROYED THEIR CREATORS...AND THAT THE LAST SURVIVING HUMANS ESCAPED ON BATTLESTAR GALACTICA...IN SEARCH OF A NEW HOME ON EARTH. Is this representative of OUR history...and why we are in such a big mess???

    I'm trying to think through a constitutionally based Solar System...where Reptilians, Humans, and Greys peacefully engage in commerce, athletics, education, tourism, the arts, entertainment, etc. There would be no God, no Satan...and nobody would have to bow down and worship anyone. No one would be a master...and no one would be a slave. Everyone would be in charge. I keep referring to the U.S. Constitution because of it being in use for over 200 years, and being currently in use. There could be others...perhaps superior...but I'm trying not to reinvent the wheel. It does not imply nationalism or protectionism. It does imply We the People(We the Beings?) being in charge...in an organized decentralism. If there are Deep Underground Military Bases throughout the Solar System inhabited by various factions of Humans, Greys, and Reptilians...an all out war would be utterly devastating. A voluntary cooperation under a constitution would make so much more sense. The gods could retire...which is what I want. I don't want Lucifer(or equivalent) to be hurt or killed...I just want the reign of terror to end. I'm suspecting that well intentioned beings of all races...for billions of years...have tried to be God...and failed miserably. Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely...no matter how intelligent and well-intentioned you are. It turns a Good God into an Evil Satan...and it probably doesn't take very long.
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    If the U.S. Constitution was the central authority of the Solar System...instead of any deity or demon...no one would be worshipped, humiliated, exalted, enslaved, etc. If Lucifer is the Godess of This World (and Solar System?)...and will not relinquish power to anyone else ('if I can't have them...nobody can!')...might a constitutional ultimate authority allow this being to retire with grace? I'd really rather skip the Battle of Armageddon. Does Revelation 12 describe Lucifer or Satan? The ultimate leader of the serpent race's collective or 'hive mind' is the "great red dragon", the "old serpent", "the Devil" or "Satan". Lucifer was one of the three original archangels (along with Michael and Gabriel) who each had charge over one-third of the 'angels'. Mind you...I'm hypothesizing a very dark universe...where this crazy world is as good as it gets. This is a terrifying thought to me...but what if this is reality? The horror! Could the following experience describe the being who Lucifer rebelled against? I found it in chapter 19 of the 'Dulce Book' http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce_book.htm on the watcherfiles.com website. I don't know if this is credible...but it really made me think. Does the following description refer to Lucifer...or to Satan? I'm leaning toward Satan aka God Amen...but there might be some similarities with Lucifer...who would have to have some communication with Satan...on an ongoing basis.

    Lucifer will 'marry' Lucifera and Satan will undergo a sexchange operation!

    "One of the 'targets' to which Mr. Brown's military RV trainer sent him was the Grey aliens' collective mind, and more specifically he was instructed to search out the ultimate command or control center of the collective. Shortly after this particular experiment began [one of many], Brown found himself in an area where several Greys were working, although he did not know exactly where this was. He 'followed' the collective mind or thought-flow and found it to be absolutely massive, giving him the feeling of something unbounded, and almost universal in nature. However, he did detect a center, a definite 'heartbeat' of this massive collective matrix, into which and out from which a steady stream of information was flowing. He noticed, at one point, an unusual 'subspace' being that seemed to be directing the activities of the Greys he was observing, and discovered that the bodies of the Greys themselves were incarnated by such 'subspace' beings which apparently entered the Greys' embryonic bodies and used them as vessels to manipulate physical reality.

    The 'Great Collective' is the Light-Matrix. The physicality of Light is known as photonic particle and also as a quantum mechanical wave.
    Relative to flat 4D spacetime light travels.
    Relative to curved 12D-spacetime light 'stands still' as the Light-Matrix. This you know as 'scalar waves' as derivative of the 4-vector velocity and the decomposition of the lightpath into space and time.


    Brown was then instructed to locate other of these beings who apparently controlled the Grey collective from a subspace or astral level, and found himself in an area where several of these subspace or paraphysical entities were located. As he continued towards this 'center' the number of subspace or non-corporeal beings increased until he came to a place of much activity, something like a grand central station type of area, where these beings were very active in various pursuits. He did not know exactly where this was, but noticed that the closer he came to the control 'center' the more he sensed an increasing rigid atmosphere of absolute military-like control. He came to what he sensed was the central governing center of the subspace beings' activity, and in the center of this there was another area where a "council of 10" very high-level subspace or paraphysical entities congregated. These were apparently the governing principalities who were engaged in running the whole operation. The security here was absolutely incredible.

    Then he perceived the SUPREME LEADER of this council of 10 paraphysical entities... and at about this point Courtney Brown was jerked back into his body, so to speak. He sensed that this leader had detected the presence of his own subspace, astral or magnetic body which he had projected, and had followed this RV 'intruder' back to his physical source. Brown and his trainer felt an oppressive, dark 'cloud' enter the room and it stayed there for about half a minute scrutinizing the scene. It left, apparently seeing the two RV'ers as "small frys" who were not worth wasting its time on.

    The light-matrix or Maxwell ether of the 'displacement magnetocurrent' harbours the T-Duality of the 11D supermembrane in shortrange vibratory and longrange wibnded modalities.
    This allows the 'thoughtforms' created by the spacetime inhabitors to manifest in psychophysical multidimensional reality.


    Before Brown's expulsion from the command center however, he was able to perceive for a brief moment what this being was really like. He or it was an extremely powerful being, but one with a twisted personality that was full of darkness. Apparently this being had come into conflict with another Force which it saw as its enemy. Brown sensed within this being a severe self-esteem problem, in spite of its incredible power, and because of this it had a consuming desire to be worshipped by others. Brown was confused when he sensed that these subspace beings, and in turn the Reptilians/Greys, were actually COMMANDED by this leader to engage in self-indulgent and destructive activities. This being apparently wanted his servants to use self-indulgent rewards or fear of punishment to maintain the absolute hierarchical command structure within its empire -- as well as through the rest of the subspace hierarchy, and in turn throughout the Reptilian Grey's collective 'hive' society that they completely infested.

    Brown also got the impression that it was FEAR and PRIDE -- its perceived NEED to be worshipped -- that kept this being from negotiating with its ancient enemy, and that this being was utterly desperate to maintain its very survival or existence [strange for a seemingly immortal subspace being] and chose to resort to rebellion and terrorism in a desperate attempt to take control of the situation. Brown recieved a strong impression that this being was the ultimate universal terrorist!!! (Did ET Phone Rome and Call 9/11?) Apparently because of its all-consuming ego this being would NEVER humble itself before its 'enemy', and the same might be said for most of the upper echelon of the hierarchy who depended on the praise of their fellow collaborators to maintain their illusion of self-importance.

    These beings, one might say, had long ago and of their own free-agency 'imploded' in upon themselves -- becoming 'spiritual black holes' with all-consuming appetites, absolute astral vampirial-like parasites, having extinguished all 'light' within themselves and therefore being unable to be brought back "into the light". Incapable of giving out 'light', they have become totally reprobate, devouring any and all life and innocence around them that they can possibly consume. The leader of this subspace 'collective' had long ago drawn these other dark beings into itself, like a large black star devouring other smaller ones around it. This irreversible state MIGHT not apply entirely to ALL of these "subspace" beings, as we will see later on."

    I hereby invite all beings throughout the universe to support the spirit...if not the letter...of the first post of this linked thread regarding Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 Obviously...the details will have to be worked out by those who are much more competent than myself. I don't know the full story...but the more I research...the more enthusiastic I become regarding this concept. But this will require universal support...and will undoubtedly involve great sacrifice and hardship. I think we are all in huge trouble...throughout the universe...not just on Earth. I also think that all secrecy needs to be removed presently...and that Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom must be pursued with all deliberate speed. The gloves need to be removed...so to speak.

    You exhibit much fervour for the tasks at hand and your enthusiasm, coupled to a reawakening of your inner information base will support you in your quest.

    "Most people do not really want freedom, because freedom involves responsibility, and most people are frightened of responsibility." -- Sigmund Freud

    The Andromedan Perspective Regarding the Future of Humanity is "Responsible Freedom of Self Determination...Becoming Truly Self Confident and Free...to Unconditionally be Responsible for Oneself...Without Being Coerced to Accept Some Higher Authority." -- related by Alex Collier

    The Thuban agenda converges with the Andromedean agenda rather beautifully.

    "We the People of Earth have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves, and for future generations...a True World Order. A world where Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...not the Old World Disorder Demonic Theocracy...governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful...and we will be...we have a real chance at this True World Order...an order in which a credible United Nations can use Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom to fulfill the promise and vision of All Races." -- my rewrite of part of a New World Order speech by George H. W. Bush

    "Like it or not, eveything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man...or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active, or abdicate...the future is in your hands." -- William Cooper

    This is a thread devoted to experimenting with the idea of applying the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights (except for the first two paragraphs of Article 6...and the 16th Amendment) to the entire Solar System. Article 6 has been misused to establish treaties which supercede the Constitution. There is a question regarding the validity of the 16th Amendment. My preference is that the Federal Reserve should be abolished...and a non-private central bank should issue a silver-based currency. The United States of the Solar System does NOT imply rule by the United States of America...especially in its presently infiltrated and subverted sad state. Constructive Competition...Positive Response Ability...and Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom are the underlying principles and concepts. A focus on the documents is what is desired. We will attempt to use the Constitution and Bill of Rights...mostly as is...with very minimal changes in wording(to apply to the Solar System and include both males and females) and some very minimal streamlining.

    Is there merit to the idea of replacing the U.N. Charter with the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...with all of the regions of Earth...and all of the regions of the planets and moons of the Solar System...treated as States? Various Alien Nations could participate with Ambassadors...but they could not dictate. A President would simply be a spokesperson or PR person for the decisions of the Senatorial and Congressional General Assemblies. Most of the communications and deliberations would be electronic...with actual meetings at U.N. Headquarters being mostly symbolic and ceremonial. Could this arrangement be considered to be the preferred alternative to a theocracy (a Universal Church)? Would this arrangement constitute a desirable non-theocratic union of politics and religion? Isn't religion really politics...and politics really religion? Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom would be the absolute standard and modus operandi of a New Universal Order.

    Have I completely lost my mind...or is this an ultra-simple solution to the problems which plague this Solar System (and possibly the universe)? I am basing all of this on an unproven assumption that there is life throughout the Solar System...including, but not limited to, Human, Grey, and Reptilian life...and that the Grey and Reptilian life is not simply a non-physical demonic phenomenon. Obviously...there would have to be safeguards which would prevent a dictatorial take-over. All groups would need to be protected from themselves (competing internal factions) and the other groups. Mutually beneficial interplanetary and interracial interaction would be the goal.

    Shields of any kind (say except in sports or art) are not required by a truly advanced galactic community.

    I initially included alien races in the Constitution of the United States of the Solar System...but I changed the wording back to include only Human Beings. This is not anti-alien. It is intended as a safeguard. We the People of the Solar System need to get our house in order internally...and then interact with all Alien Nations...in a very open yet cautious manner. I don't know how this should appropriately occur. I don't know the details of the alien presence in the Solar System. I'm open to reasonable solutions. Perhaps Alien Nations could have non-voting membership status...where their views would be made known in an official capacity...and where they would address the Congressional and Senatorial General Assemblies. Perhaps this could be preparatory to full voting status. I don't know. I'm just very wary of Trojan Horse scenarios. Again...I do not desire rulership over Alien Nations. Nor do I desire their humiliation, degradation, extermination, or enslavement.

    The preamble is a condensed version of the preamble to the Charter for the United Nations. I did remove the reference to treaties and other sources of international law. Nothing should supercede the founding documents.

    'The Declaration of Human Sovereignty' from www.humansovereignty.org is included, with minimal modifications. I basically agree with it...and do not wish to reinvent the wheel. I did, however, eliminate the homeworld references, and I eliminated the demand to destroy ET bases...which might be necessary to defend the Solar System. This is the cosmic equivalent of the 'Declaration of Independence'. A big thank-you to humansovereignty.org. They might, or might not, approve of this thread. I don't know. Perhaps I won't have to wait long to find out!

    The concept is simple...but undoubtedly the details and implementation would be very, very complex. I'm guessing that powerful forces outside of this Solar System would have to agree to allow this to occur. I'm also sensing that some of the agreement...if it was granted...would be very grudging...with the view that it would never work...and that the Pleiades, Sirius, Draco, Orion (and others?) would ultimately theocratically rule Earth eventually anyway. Who knows...this could be a new development in a very dictatorial, rigid, and violent universe. It could be Morning in the Universe...or the Solar System...at least. Lucifer...what do you think? How will this play in the Pleiades, Sirius, Draco, and Orion? You can make this happen. We are all actors on a stage...and the universe is watching. Namaste to everyone...including you Lucifer.

    I don't hate anyone...Reptilian or Human. I think that 99% are victims...and the remaining 1% are deluded or insane (and in a sense...victims as well...even though they are in charge...and may be very harsh and cruel). I think everyone is in trouble...from the top to the bottom. This universe may need a new program and a reboot. The Reptilians...who many fear (including me)...may turn out to be quite friendly...if and when there is a paradigm shift and a leadership change. Their external appearance should not be viewed predjudicially. I don't know the true nature of the Reptilians. I've never seen one (that I know of)...and I'm still not absolutely sure that they exist (although the testimonial evidence is overwhelming). This conceptual statment should not be viewed as Human vs Reptilian. In an all-out Human vs Reptilian war...I have a sneaking suspicion that humanity might cease to exist. Who knows...Benevolent Reptilians may be keeping Human Beings from becoming extinct.

    The 'Little Serpent' is the most benevolent creature imaginable; now or at any other timeline. The 'Little Serpent' is the template and blueprint for the 'Quantum of Love' the Gauge Love-Photon of the wormhole frequency.

    If the universal community cannot accept the linked proposal http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 as a universal modus operandi...I would only request that an exception be made for this Solar System. Give us a chance to test the concept...under quarantine...if deemed necessary. I understand that unrestrained and irresponsible freedom is highly dangerous and contageous. The qualifiers outlined in the first post of this thread should be sufficient to maintain legitimate and reasonable law and order.

    Thanks and Gratitude in Advance to the Beings of the Universe.

    Namaste

    I have attempted to give comment to the above in interspersion orthodoxymoron.

    Abraxasinas

    I made some modifications to the first post. What would you put in an open letter to the Beings of the Universe? Should we consider them to be superiors, inferiors, or equals? I'm taking the equals approach. Do you think any non-human or extraterrestrial Beings of the Universe will actually read this open letter? Will it make any difference? Should it make any difference? Does the Abraxasinas response in the previous post qualify as a response from a 'Being of the Universe'? If I knew for sure that they were taking the letter seriously...it would probably frighten me very deeply. I tend to have a smart-alec attitude on the internet...but that would change instantly if I knew 'they' were taking what I wrote seriously.

    Alex Collier said in his 1994 interview with Rick Keefe...that even the regressives were a hell of a lot more responsible than our world-government leaders. That was quite a statement...especially coming from someone who says that the regressives eat our children! What is the real truth about Reptilians? What is the real truth about Humans? I'm thinking that we are both really $crewed-up. We both probably need to get our cosmic acts together. Perhaps separate but equal...both under Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...would be a good start. Then perhaps we could constructively interact with each other. This might be impossible presently. I don't know. They don't brief me. No one tells me Jack about Jill. What the hill?

    I loved the 'Creed of Freedom'. It is very clear. This doesn't have to be complex. In fact...it shouldn't be complex. But when it's simple...people think that there's got to be more to it than just that!! One word...RESPONSIBILITY...is at the core of all of this. Without Responsibility...we don't get Freedom. Simple as that! I get the concept...but I'm having a very difficult time applying it...which is probably why I prefer to just post comments and threads.

    I tend to think we are sort of 'Tenants and Debtors in Possession' on Planet Earth...and that our landlords are ET or Non-Human. I'm also leaning toward the idea that we were brought here (after being genetically engineered elsewhere)...rather than crawling out of the goo here on Earth. We probably brought ancient advanced technology with us. However...our Human and ET overlords aren't doing a hell of a lot of communicating or sharing. Just the opposite. I want ALL of the People of the World to be the New Elites...who have access to all of the formerly forbidden knowledge (with the exception of extermination technologies - which no one should probably have). I don't want to serve or fight the ET's and Elites...I want to join them. To replace them with new select elites wouldn't solve a damn thing! We All have to be deeply involved in World and Solar System Governance.

    How about some Glasnost and Perestroika? How about some Pravda in Isvestia...and some Isvestia in Pravda?

    I'm interested in hearing from some Interdimensional Reptilians regarding the Hierarchy in Heaven...before, during, and after...the Creation of Human Beings, the Enslavement of Human Beings, the Luciferian Rebellion, the War in Heaven, the Expulsion from Heaven, the Exodus to Earth. What the hell really happened? What the hell has been happening? What the hell is going on right now? Who the hell are you? Don't stumble over yourselves answering my questions. Watch the first part of this Stargate SG-1 episode...where the dying Asgard turn over ALL of their technology to the Human Race. Did something sort of like this happen in connection with the Luciferian Rebellion and War in Heaven? Was this part of the Original Sin? http://www.hulu.com/watch/115412/stargate-sg-1-unending

    No one seems to be telling the real bottom-line truth regarding Universal History. I see and smell BS everywhere...and it really stinks. If some Physical Reptilians or Greys want to answer my questions...go right ahead. You know...maybe I should just ask the Interdimensional Reptilians who oppress and harass me...and who observe me constantly. On second thought...I'm not sure I'm ready for a face to face introduction...just yet. Not at midnight anyway. Plus...I might start talking about Jesus. While I'm at it...when do the benefits of the Atonement start kicking in? Isn't that investigation of the Akashic Records finished yet? Do we have a verdict? Just curious.

    I'm seeing a Human Trinity at the head of a Human Race. (Human God, Assistant Human God, All Human Souls)

    I'm seeing a Reptilian Trinity at the head of a Reptilian Race. (Reptilian God, Assistant Reptilian God, All Reptilian Souls)

    I'm seeing an ancient and ongoing Human vs Reptilian conflict. (Star Wars and Masters of the Universe)

    I'm seeing turncoat mercenaries and numerous agendas. (Everyone Dealing With Everyone)

    Is there any way that a completely honest and accurate summary of Universal History can be presented tactfully to the General Public?

    Is there any way that a completely honest and accurate summary of Present Grievances and Claims can be presented tactfully to the General Public?

    Is there any way that Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom can be made the Law of the Solar System?

    I feel like I'm just thrashing around...trying to figure things out...while the lies continue to be told. I have no idea if I'm helping or hurting. I really seem to be wasting everyone's time...including my own. What's the point?

    I trust and believe almost no one. I love everyone...but I am annoyed by just about everyone. I don't really like myself...and I really annoy myself.

    Should I just shut-up...live a life of quiet desperation...waiting for the planned financial collapses, nukes, 1,000 meter high waves, 500 kph winds, manufactured geologic catastrophies, deliberately inflicted plagues, deliberate pole-shift, civil wars, world war, alien invasion, staged second coming of Christ, false flag terrorism, asteroids aimed at Earth, martial law, Vaccines and Chips, FEMA camps, Old World Disorder Demonic Theocracy, One Nation Under Satan, Theocratic Enslavement...and on and on into the night?

    I'm all eyes, ears, and nerves.

    [QUOTE=Roman195;222868]In an understanding that I have reached with myself, and making no claims that this is how it is out there in the Cosmos. I've reduced it to two basic concepts:

    1) Free Will is the Supreme Law (Axiom) of Infinity.
    2) People will never leave this Prison Planet as long as they; Kill their children.

    In Peace and Unity,
    Roman:cup:[/QUOTE]

    Thank-you Roman. You make two very good points...and I agree. These two concepts can be condensed into these two words:

    1) Freedom
    2) Responsibility

    We need to get Responsible Freedom figured-out and applied...or we're not going anywhere. Human Beings Willfully Kill Their Children Through Abortion and War Every Day. Earth really does seem to be The Devil's Island Insane Asylum Prison Planet of the Universe. I get the picture of Warrior Reptilian Beings in Advanced Spacecraft making sure that the madness is contained to this world. Sometimes I think that the Interdimensional Reptilians...rather than the Physical Reptilians and Greys...are the real problem. That...and Human Irresponsibility. I still think that we need a Solar System Exorcism and that we need to make Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom the Law of the Solar System. I could be wrong. Maybe the Bad Guys should stay and be our Gods. Maybe they already are our Gods...and have been for thousands of years. I think I place about 25% of the blame for Earth's ills...on Demons and/or Evil ET's...and about 75% of the blame on us. Shame-on both!

    What does it take to enter into an intelligent and cordial conversation with some of the Beings of the Universe? Do I have to become richer than God and as corrupt as Hell...and participate in satanic rituals or black masses in locked cathedrals...to become worthy of dialogue? Is that how it works? Is total depravity and complete submission required before one submits an open letter while kneeling? Is that how it works? Should I conjure up a UFO or a demon? Is that how it works? Will the shrieking start...if I start talking about Jesus? Will the Reptilian Men in Black show up? This whole thing is really, really creepy.

    Now...about that Solar System Exorcism I ordered some time ago...The Orders Still Stand.

    I have very little faith in the good-guys or the bad-guys...at this point. I have very little faith in the reptilians or the humans. Can't even a lower ranking reptilian or human talk to me? Why try to make sense of things and problem solve...when so little happens? Is this why the movers and shakers in the world and universe do everything in secret? Have they decided that Jesus was right when he said "don't cast your pearls before the swine"? I'm sorry...but I'm not hearing a lot of basic common sense regarding world governance or solar system governance. Perhaps I just need to try to make a lot of money...somehow. Then perhaps I could talk to someone important. The bottom-line really is the bottom-line...isn't it. Fame, fortune, and power are more important than God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Or so it seems. No more mister nice-guy! I'm getting mean! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZnhuOEUFXA

    No Comment? Stone Wall? Ignore and Move On? Why Am I Not Surprised? Why Am I Agreeing With Jordan Maxwell More and More? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jJKue2Ff6o

    [QUOTE=Humble Janitor;238542]Why should beings of the universe trust humans and their "constitutions" when humans have been killing each other for centuries?[/QUOTE]

    No one should trust anyone...really. I'm human (I think)...but I don't trust humanity. I don't even like or trust myself. This is why we need Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...wherein everyone and everything is tested, tested, tested...on an ongoing basis. A huge part of the constitutional problem is expressed in the last part of my open letter:

    "In a sense...a Government is a Church...and a Church is a Government. They are two sides of the same coin. The question is 'What is the nature of the Church and the Government?' A "Constitutional Theocracy is a form of government in which within the context of a modern democracy a particular religion is granted a central role in the legal and political system. In contrast to a pure theocracy, power resides in political figures operating within the bounds of a constitution, rather than religious leadership. A form of government (also referred to as a system of government or a political system) is a system composed of various people, institutions and their relations in regard to the governance of a state. ... Theocracy is a form of government in which a religion and the government are intertwined..." http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...onal-theocracy Could the United States of America be under a Constitutional Theocracy presently? Could the United States of America have always been under such a Constitutional Theocracy? See Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution. Was the 1954 Greada treaty simply an extension of this hypothetical Constitutional Theocracy? http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/future.htm Is the U.N. Charter superceding the U.S. Constitution a further expansion of a Constitutional Theocracy? To stop preaching...and go to meddling...How would the Roman Catholic Church function if it were based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...and was in complete harmony with the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Teachings of Jesus? Would a Pope be elected by the general membership every four years? Would the Teachings of Jesus, the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Will of the People...supercede Canon Law, the Curia, the Pope, the Black Pope (and whoever the Black Pope takes orders from)? Would this create chaos...or would it minimize evil and corruption? For Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom to work...the Roman Catholic Church would have to go along with it...and looking at history...this would be nearly impossible. The RCC is the biggest 'We Never Change Church' imaginable. The Sirius Powers That Be would have to order it done...or it would be a non-starter. For Sirius (and Alpha Draconis?) to sign-off on this...We the People of Earth would have to exhibit a significant level of Knowledge and Responsibility. There is presently a Forbidden Knowledge Explosion...and the BIG question is 'Will We the People of Earth Respond Responsibly?' How about a non-penetential and non-sacrificial Ecumenical Namaste Mass based upon the Latin Mass...Celebrating the Divinity Within Humanity? Now I'm really meddling! I'm an abominable heretic...yet I prefer the glory, grandeur, reverence, and awe of the traditional service...rather than the 'Jesus is my buddy, show-up in shorts and a t-shirt, praise-song, hippie reefer-madness'.
    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94sa1Byb7fw 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP5guVydW7w&NR=1 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRcMtB27z7E
    4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq8i69-L-Fs&feature=related 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxBjqrPAUg8&NR=1

    In a sense...I desire a Minimalist Humanistic Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Theocracy . This open letter is merely introductory and inquisitive...rather than being comprehensive, authoritative, or dogmatic. I simply desire that everything work out well for everyone...everywhere and everywhen."

    [QUOTE=Humble Janitor;238556]I think you fail to realize that the Constitution is an imperfect document.

    Therefore, you cannot base much on it.[/QUOTE]

    I realize that pretty much everything is imperfect...except pure mathematics. I'm idealistic...but I'm also pragmatic. Reinventing the wheel is not a good idea...just because a particular wheel is not perfectly round. Article 6 and the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution are problematic...but I'm pretty much OK with everything else...once the wording is adapted to apply to the entire Solar System.
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    Here is a link to Ian Flemming's 'Moonraker': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzRhJznp2V4 Ian Flemming knew a helluva lot. What did he know...and when did he know it? 'Goldfinger' is another example of his inside knowledge. He was in British Naval Intelligence...wasn't he? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Fleming Notice the secret space program, the Nazi-like agenda, the Egyptian statuary, and the Illuminati-like super-rich megalomaniac named Drax (Dracs? As in Draconians?) Hmmmmmmm!

    We all want a better world...but some wish to eliminate 80% of Humanity...to create a better world. Check out the Georgia Guidestones. Look at all the religions which teach that only a select few will be 'saved'. (I grew up in one of these groups) Look at the Nazis and the Master Race ideology. Think about the DUMB's for the elites. Think about Zionism and Teutonic Zionism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfMwK0kCccI Look at the Bible. This stupid theme occurs over and over and over again...throughout history. Star Wars and Masters of the Universe are games which are probably nearly as old as the Universe itself. This game is being planned and played...even as I type. I sort of like the idea of everyone being a member of something like Gizeh Intelligence. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11123&highlight=orthodoxymoron+threads They'll hate me for saying that...but it's the truth. We can perfect Humanity and the Solar System...without cutting anyone out...or cutting anyone loose. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878&highlight=orthodoxymoron+threads I truly want everyone to make it...including the regressives and malevolents. I don't know what the hell I'm talking about...but I mean no harm. Hope springs eternal.

    Will we ever learn?

    Here are a couple of alternate endings:

    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdUHtIyz1j8&feature=related

    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFwnGiu9eV8 :mfr_omg:
    "Megalomaniac" By Incubus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFnnV595byE

    "Pinky and the Brain": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJPFSNu_QNs

    Apple 1984 Commercial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhsWzJo2sN4

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania

    Megalomania is defined as a psychopathological condition characterized by delusional fantasies of wealth, power, or omnipotence. An obsession with grandiose or extravagant things or actions. It is derived from the (from the Greek word μεγαλομανία; megalo-, meaning large, and mania) The first attested use of the word "megalomania" is in 1890 as a translation of the French word "mégalomanie". The word "megalomania" does not appear in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM)[2] or the ICD. Grandiosity and delusions of grandeur have similar meanings to megalomania and are used in the DSM and ICD as possible symptoms of several mental conditions. A famous quotation by Bertrand Russell gives his interpretation of megolamania: "The megalomaniac differs from the narcissist by the fact that he wishes to be powerful rather than charming, and seeks to be feared rather than loved. To this type belong many lunatics and most of the great men of history."[3] During his final years, and especially after the death of Hephaestion, Alexander the Great began to exhibit signs of megalomania and paranoia.[4] His extraordinary achievements, coupled with his own ineffable sense of destiny and the flattery of his companions, may have combined to produce this effect.[5] Bush on the Couch: Inside the Mind of a President is a 2004 book by psychoanalyst Justin Frank. The central premise of Frank's book is that President George W. Bush displays signs of poor mental health which makes him ill-suited to rule the U.S. Frank suggests Bush suffers from megalomania, that he is probably incapable of true compassion and shows signs of sadism, and that, as an untreated alcoholic, is in constant danger of a relapse.

    Are there some good aspects of Drax? He's smart, refined, musical, a long-term planner, decisive, idealistic and utopian (in a twisted sort of way), etc. Could DUMB's, Secret Space Programs, Secret Utopian Plans, etc....really be properly used in the General Public's best interest? At what point do good intentions begin to pave the road to hell? Could Drax be what Hitler might have become after World War II? Did Hitler really become a Drax-like character after WWII? What are the real underlying conflicts and issues in world and universal history?

    Is James Bond 007 a good role model? He's violent and immoral...but heck...he saves the world...and does it with class!

    I noticed that too, Phtha! I don't necessarily object to secret societies...but I do object to Satanic rituals (especially those which involve human sacrifice)...and to any intrigue or plotting which involves corruption and violence. If people wish to meet secretly...and think deeply about religion, philosophy, politics, world events, future events, etc...this could even be a good thing...especially if they were genuinely concerned about everyone. Unfortunately...from what I've learned...a lot of these secret societies seem to be quite evil and diabolical...especially at the top. They shouldn't kiss Satan's @$$. No one should bow down and worship anyone. Period.

    I have come to appreciate people like Manly Hall, Obediah Harris, and Jordan Maxwell. There is something significantly positive which occurs when people spend their lives studying a variety of religions and philosophies from both the exoteric and esoteric point of view. It's the Dealing with the Devil part that I have a problem with. You know...Satanic Rituals, Human Sacrifices, Child Abuse, Eugenics, Extermination, Corruption...and other creepy things like stuff that goes on in underground bases and locked cathedrals. What the hell is going on here? Or should I ask 'What from hell is going on here?' :sneaky2::shocked:

    Magalomaniancs Unite!!

    1. Dr. Evil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQEm_hI9_cU

    2. Adolph Hitler https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu2NqfISm9k&feature=related

    3. Hitler vs Jesus (viewer discretion advised) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01USG9xpnhE&feature=related

    [QUOTE=Majorion;240360]Moonraker was one of the best Bond films, indeed I'd bet there was some inside info in that flick. However I don't believe the NAZI stuff and "spectre" apply the same way today. Power structures always change over the decades and centuries, remember this movie was at least 30 years ago, if I'm not mistaken.

    As I said in another thread, the heroes of yesterday are the villains of today, and the oppressors of yesterday are the victims today.[/QUOTE]

    Majorion...have you watched all of Joseph Farrell's, Jim Marrs', and Richard Hoagland's interviews on Google and You Tube? Have you read 'SS Brotherhood of the Bell', 'Rise of the Fourth Reich', and 'Dark Mission'? I'm thinking that there are Zionist and Teutonic Zionist Underground Bases and Secret Space Programs. I'm a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom supporter...but there will probably have to be massive defections from the other two groups for our side to be successful. Plus...Sirius, Orion, the Pleiades, and Alpha Draconis would probably have to go along with it as well. Regarding 'Moonraker'...the faces and names change from generation to generation...but the principles and concepts remain the same. Power seems to be God in this Universe...rather than Ethics. This is probably why the bad guys and gals seem to win more often than not. This is why I like the idea of Constructive Competition, Positive Response Ability, and Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...because once this is in place...the good guys and gals win...and the bad guys and gals get locked-up for a long, long time. I want to look up in the sky...and know that there is Law and Order.

    [QUOTE=Majorion;240660]Oh hell yes!

    Though I'm extremely interested in the subject of NAZIs, I still strongly disagree with some of the conclusions.
    And re: "Farrell", I consider myself my own "scholar". :original:

    I don't know what Teutonic means, but I agree there is a very real and mostly unknown and unpublicized threat which is Zionism. Dunno about underground bases or space programs, but they seem to enjoy harvesting organs. So I wouldn't put a top secret human experimentation program or other evil stuff past them.

    Exactly.[/QUOTE]

    If you haven't already watched this Farrell/Camelot interview...it's worthwhile! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wJboIFKCFU

    Here's an Alex Jones / Jordan Maxwell clip on the subject of Teutonic Zionism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfMwK0kCccI

    And Jim Marrs and 'Rise of the Fourth Reich'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2v0cu8pQOc

    Perhaps the Secret Societies should form Megalomaniacs Anonymous.

    Here is a music video regarding the illusion of power. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-aWR_UwZnU :sneaky2::lightsabre:

    I'm almost shaking as I type. Who are Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer...historically and in modernity? Are they Angels, Archangels, Gods, Goddesses, Humans, Reptilians...All of the Above...or None of the Above? I have been wondering if they are the leaders of a three-way power struggle for the control of the Human Race? What if the Human Race theocratically ruled the Reptilian Race until the Luciferian Rebellion and the War in Heaven? What if the Reptilian Race was created by Human Beings to serve as a Slave Race? What if this was the Original Sin? What if the Human God and most of Humanity was destroyed in the War in Heaven? Was the War in Heaven a Human vs Reptilian War? What if we are Prisoners of War? What if the Wardens and Guards are fighting over us? What if Gabriel is the God of This World...who is both good and evil...and who has become corrupt and insane because of the prolonged effects of Absolute Power? What if Michael and Lucifer are at odds regarding what to do about this predicament? Could Gabriel be identified with Zionism? Could Lucifer be identified with Teutonic Zionism? Could Michael be identified with True Followers of Jesus (and other benevolent and peaceful deities throughout history)?

    Is the Human Race really the Founder's Race aka The Ancients? Do our souls contain the Knowledge of the Ancients? If we are Prisoners of War...could this explain why we have been genetically and educationally dumbed down...and why we are only able to use a small percentage of our brain capacities? Have the Reptilians isolated the Human Race to a few star systems? Is Earth a Planet in Rebellion? Are we attempting a jail-break? Is this why there is talk of Extermination and Enslavement in a New World Order aka Kingdom of God? Do the Reptilians have a legitimate grievance against Humanity? Does Humanity have a legitimate grievance against the Reptilians? Do both sides lie about what's really and truly going on? How can we know the truth? Are we in a hopeless situation? I mean no disrespect in my speculations. I'm simply trying to figure out what's really going on in this Universe...by thinking way outside of the box. I seek resolution rather than agitation. I mean no harm. Having said that...here is a highly upsetting trailer for the new movie 'Legion' (viewer discretion advised) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mFn9EhgU4 Here is a related clip from 'The Day the Earth Stood Still': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UWZBLUdYgs&feature=relatedYouTube- Here is an Alex Collier video segment which touches on the 'disappearance' of the Founders: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1_nsFXxkr4&feature=related Here is an Anna Hayes lecture regarding Universal History: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0sncfZpRok&feature=PlayList&p=570095EF1B0987A2&index=0&playnext=1 I have a feeling that this is going to be a wild thread. I don't have a handle on this subject at all. I'm going to try to use a lot of unconventional sources of information. Use extreme discernment in this thread. Don't take anything too seriously...even though this is a very serious subject.

    I have no clue regarding all of the above...but I'd like to do some digging. Anyone want a shovel?

    Thank-you both! I was just getting ready to reread the Urantia Book chapters which deal with this topic (52-54...if I'm not mistaken). I have come to the conclusion that the mythologies, religions, and sacred texts are mostly BS...but that they have underlying truths...which one has to do a lot of digging to expose. Many people blindly follow their religions and leaders...without digging. The few who dig...lose their faith...and just fade away...living lives of quiet desperation. The very few who keep on digging and digging...eventually hit bedrock truth...which they find to be quite upsetting. My pick just hit something solid! The horror!!

    Is an archangel an angel...or simply in charge of the angels? Some say that Michael was/is Jesus. Is Lucifer a friend or foe of Humanity? Is Lucifer really Satan? Is Lucifer really the God of This World? Was Lucifer really Hathor? Could Gabriel be the equivalent of the Old Testament God the Father? Could Gabriel have been Ra...or simply loyal to Ra? Possibly Amen? Gabriel is the most mysterious to me. I'm worried about Gabriel. Are Gabriel and Lucifer hard-core bad-@$$ Gods or Goddesses? Is Michael the peacemaker instead of the warrior? Which one of the three is in charge of Gizeh Intelligence? Do each of them have a Deep Underground Military Base Headquarters? Which of them is in charge of the Secret Space Program? Which of them tells the Vatican what to do? Are they nine-foot tall Dracs? In the 'Legion' clip...it seems that Gabriel is in charge of the terror and destruction. It seems that Lucifer is trying to help Humanity...and save the Christ-child. How far off-base am I on that one?! I'm getting in deeper and deeper! I'd better stop! It's off to Urantia-land!

    Gabriel?:wall: Michael? :original: Lucifer?:lightsabre:Sorry guys. Don't take it personally.

    [QUOTE=Chamber;225155]I'm with Supermaaa....I mean Clarkkent....Naughty

    My whole thing is....if these are the "archangels of God"....then who is 'God'?

    You might want to look up Dan Winters theory about the Orion Wars and his whole spin on human history. It's about as kooky as I get....but it somehow makes sense to me seeing how he bases it all on a theory of fractality....how everything going on in the world right now is just a microcosm of a bigger picture.

    [URL="https://www.youtube.com/user/eyeztosee#p/c/A80D4FFB7B951BD0/0/uDE-31mkVO8"]https://www.youtube.com/user/eyeztosee#p/c/A80D4FFB7B951BD0/0/uDE-31mkVO8[/URL]
    Audio is a little screwy at first but stick with it.[/QUOTE]

    I agree with you Initiate. Thank-you.

    Thank-you Chamber. I'm watching Dan Winters for the first time...right now. He's my kind of guy! I don't understand half of what he's saying...but I like the half that I do understand. I tend to think that our little firefight here on Earth is a mopping-up operation following the War in Heaven. (Orion War?)

    Here is a Moziah/Zagami encounter with Lucifer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niFvBJxJEtM&feature=relatedYouTube- Was Leo really possessed? If so...was it really by Lucifer? Can Lucifer be impersonated? Watch all of the videos in this series for a real education. Leo Zagami has stated that aliens are demons manifesting in reptilian form. What do you think about that?

    I'm wondering if these archangels are running the whole show...for better or for worse. I'm trying to get real about Good and Evil, ET's and UFO's, Angels and Demons, Reptilians and Greys, God and Satan, Gods and Goddesses, Heaven and Hell, Creation and Evolution, Theocracy and Democracy, Slavery and Freedom, etc and et al. I'm trying to irreverently cut through the cr@p even though this causes the excrement to really hit the air-conditioning system!

    Thank-you gita and Stardustaquarion for your very perceptive comments. I have a problem with theocracy...plain and simple...unless it's a very Minimalist and Humanistic Theocracy based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...upon which the United Nations and the City States would be based. I have even quit preaching...and gone to meddling...suggesting a non-penetential and non-sacrificial Ecumenical Namaste Mass...Celebrating the Divinity Within Humanity. This would be a VERY tricky and difficult thing to accomplish...and if the leaders and general public were not highly responsible...this might not even work. The rest of the Universe...Human and Non-Human would probably have to support this reform...or it would never, ever become a reality. We shouldn't have to go through any outside sources...such as Michael...to access the Christ Within, the Divinity Within Humanity, the Epitome of the Human Collective Unconscious, or the Holy Spirit. I'm thinking that Heaven wasn't really Heaven...and that God wasn't perfect...at the time of the Luciferian Rebellion. Humanity may have lorded it over the Reptilians...and now the Reptilians may be lording it over Humanity. Just speculation.

    Power Corrupts. Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. A Theocracy with an All Powerful God is a recipe for disaster...although, at some point in Universal History...it might have been necessary. However...presently, in this Solar System, a theocracy is probably not a good idea.

    Check out the following links to the Urantia Book which are relevant to this discussion:

    Chapter 53: http://urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/p053.htm
    Chapter 54: http://urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/p054.htm

    I've been listening to these chapters...regarding Lucifer, the Rebellion, and War in Heaven. If there is any truth to this at all...I keep thinking that everyone was partly right and partly wrong...and that one wrong leads to two wrongs leads to three wrongs leads to...:wall::wall::wall::wall:...a huge universal mess.

    The key words in all of this are responsibility and freedom. The definitions, applications, implications, and ramifications of these words are enormous. Keep your eyes on Gabriel. I have a bad feeling about Gabriel...for some reason. Sorry Gabriel.

    Thank-you everyone. If you speak directly to God...is that God Human, Reptilian, Grey, Hybrid...or None of the Above? God's not talking to me. Perhaps it's because I think that it's a Sin to be God...that Theocracies should be outlawed throughout the Universe...and that the First and Last Commandment should be "Thou Shalt Have No Gods". I believe in God...but I don't think God believes in me. Maybe it was something I said. One more thing...is a God of Love preparing to exterminate us? God wouldn't destroy the world...would He or She? Mass Murder is a Sin...isn't it? Is God above the Law? I'm not trying to be difficult...but I have talked to people who stubbornly defend the Biblical Theocracies and Atrocities...past, present, and future. When I look up in the sky...I want to know that there is Law and Order. Come to think of it...so did Drax...in Moonraker!

    [QUOTE=Spregovori;225670]hmmm..

    You are free to believe/create whatever you wish to.

    If you do not like "their" God...you can create "your" God...make it so you will be ok to communicate, believe, etc

    If you do not want a God...simply stop participating in the creation of a God

    :)[/QUOTE]

    We do tend to create God in Our Image...don't we? Does Satan Play God? That's what I'm worried about. A True and Good God Would Not Play God...Demand Worship and Praise...and Threaten Extermination. What's wrong with this picture?

    What if all of us are Ancient Astronauts? What if the Human Race Created the Reptilian Race? What if the Human Race Theocratically Ruled the Reptilian Race? What if the Reptilian Race Kicked Our @$$...and Became Our Gods? Remember Battlestar Galactica? I reverence the Divinity Within Humanity aka The Epitome of the Human Collective Unconscious aka The Holy Spirit...and I See Christ in All Persons. I believe that We All Get Recycled. I believe that This Solar System is Our Home. I believe in a Perfected Humanity Living in a Perfected Solar System. So Say We All? Guess Not. So...So Say Me!!

    Please consider this thread http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=206737#post206737 in the context of the United States of the Solar System...regarding Battlestar Galactica and the United Nations. I was very impressed. This is a step in the right direction.

    Could the Cylons be the equivalent of the Reptilians. If so...are there theocratic implications? The Cylons were monotheistic. Is Battlestar Galactica really the story of Human Beings (us) coming to Earth? Is Battlestar Galactica really Nibiru, the Moon, and/or the Ark of the Covenant? If so...what was the covenant? Did we have to cut a deal with the Devil to come to Earth? If so...did that deal involve the servitude to, and worship of, the Reptilian Race...who might own and operate the Solar System...and be the Gods of a Universal Chruch? Are we presently trying to back out of that deal? Could this be why there is all the talk about 'Earth Changes', '2012', the 'New World Order', etc? If all of the above is true...what would convince the Reptilians to adopt Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom as the Modus Operandi of the Solar System? Who knows? The Shadow Government? Lord Draco? Lucifer? Hathor? Amen Ra? Jesus Christ?

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    This article is about the fictional beings in Battlestar Galactica. For related meanings, see Cylon.

    A model of a new series Cylon Centurion. The Cylons are a cybernetic civilization at war with the Twelve Colonies of humanity in the Battlestar Galactica science fiction franchise, in the original 1978 and 1980 series, the 2003 reimagining, as well as the spin-off prequel series, Caprica. In the 1978 series, the Cylons is also the name of the race (Reptilians?) who created the robot Cylons (Greys, Hybrids, PLF'S?).

    The nature and origins of Cylons differ greatly between the two Galacticas. However both series feature Cylon Raiders, Cylon Basestars and Cylon Centurions. The prequel series, Caprica, focuses on the creation of the Cylons, which differs from all the previous Battlestar Galactica series.

    Main article: Cylon (1978)
    The Cylons of the 1978/1980 series are not the mechanical foils seen throughout the series, but an advanced reptilian race who created the robots (who were referred to as Cylons within the show) to serve them, maintain their vast empire and to man their military forces in the face of a sudden population drop that eventually led to the Cylons' extinction — seemingly overnight. This fact is briefly mentioned in the 1978 movie-length premier of the series (near the end of episode 2 in syndication) when Apollo relates the Cylons' origin to Boxey. In the episode "War of the Gods", during Count Iblis's private discourse with Count Baltar, Baltar mentions that he recognizes Iblis's voice, referring to Patrick Macnee's voicing of the Imperious Leader in the opening episode/theatrical movie (Macnee also played Iblis), with Iblis countering that if that was true it must have been "transcribed" over a thousand yahren (years) ago and programmed into the mechanical body of the Imperious Leader.

    The follow-up series Galactica 1980 had a two-episode arc entitled "The Night the Cylons Landed" that featured a humanoid Cylon, though unlike its successors in the post-millennial reimagining, it was not organic, but a complex mechanical construct.

    The Cylons of the 2003 miniseries and 2004 Battlestar Galactica series are fundamentally different from the Cylons of the original 1978/1980 series. In the new version, the Cylons were created by humans as cybernetic workers and soldiers. As in the original series, the Cylons destroy almost the entire human civilization, chasing a few ship-borne survivors into deep space. Unlike the original series, however, the reimagined series includes twelve Cylon models that are nearly indistinguishable from human beings. Although these human-form Cylons are the focus of the series, alongside the humanoid models there are also Centurions similar to those in the original series. Much of the Cylons' technology is based heavily on bioengineering and/or synthetic biology rather than conventional robotics. Humans often derisively refer to Cylons as "toasters," due to the resemblance of the Cylon centurions from the first Human/Cylon war (the design of which is based on that of the centurions from the original series) to "walking chrome toasters", as described by Gaius Baltar in the miniseries. The humanoid models are referred to as "skin-jobs" to differentiate the two variants.

    In contrast to the reason for the original Cylons' genocidal mission, religion is the primary motivation of the Cylon race in the re-imagined series. They consider humans to be sinful and flawed creations who therefore do not deserve to survive. In the original series the Cylons, an aggressively expanding empire, declared war on Humanity because they intervened on behalf of a race of beings called the Hasaris who had been enslaved by the Cylons and who had sought the aid of the Colonials.

    In the reimagined series universe, the term Cylon stands for Cybernetic Lifeform Node.[1]

    ^ http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=62495

    On a more positive note...take a look at this thread about angels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZnhuOEUFXA

    I just saw 'Legion'. Has anyone else seen it? IMHO they took a good idea...and butchered it! I'm sorry...but I was disappointed. It could have been so much more. But maybe it's because of my religious background...and current theological and philosophical reflection. A lot of people would probably just groove to the gratuitous violence. I think a lot of the violent cr@p coming out of Hollywood is highly irresponsible. That goes for the stupid video games as well. The producers of this tripe should have to pay a violent crime victims compensation tax...because they are educating people to commit violent crime.

    OK...back to the subject of 'Angels'. Why was Lucifer not included? Or did I miss that part when I went to the restroom? Gabriel was the 'good' angel...who gave God what he/she wanted. Michael was the 'rebel' angel who disobeyed God...but gave God what he/she needed. So...the good angel was bad...and the bad angel was good. Any questions? I've got one...who was the baby who Michael was protecting? Did I miss it? The Michael character should have been Lucifer...and the baby should have been the returning Christ...IMHO. Some say that Michael is Jesus...or at least most closely associated with Jesus. Lucifer is most often equated with Satan. This is what I used to think...but now I'm not so sure. I'm seeing Gabriel as being loyal to a God who was/is corrupt/insane...and as just following orders as an obedient archangel. I'm seeing Lucifer as opposing God and Gabriel...and possibly becoming corrupt/insane in the process. Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. I'm seeing Michael as meaning well...and being very, very loving and kind...but lacking the power to effectively deal with the corruption and insanity of the others. And...I'm seeing 99.99% of the Human Race as being caught in the middle of a Galactic Mess...as Prisoners of War on a Prison Planet with Grey Guards and a Reptilian Warden. I could be very wrong...and I would love to be corrected.

    Why did God want to kill all of the people? The movie said that God was 'tired of the BS'. Well...I'm tired of the BS too...which is why I want this Solar System based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System. I want all of the Gods, Goddesses, and Archangels to retire. I want to skip Armageddon and the Apocalypse. Is that too much to ask?

    Thank-you truthseekerdan. I just finished listening to it...but I was pretty tired...so I'll have to listen to it again. Some red flags went up when I heard that we are going to be 'Gods of our own Universes'. Was I hallucinating...or is this what he actually said? I just take everything as being possible...rather than accepting things. I'm naturally quite gullible (I think the Devil told me that in the basement of a church when I was just a boy - and I'm not kidding)...and I've been burned too many times.

    So...Lucifer has ceased to exist? Was this Lucifer's choice? Are the wages of disagreement...eternal death? Is the Immortality of the Soul conditional? Can our souls cease to exist? Are Michael and Gabriel without fault or blemish...and will they help us miserable reprobates find peace living under a theocracy...wherein the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights will be null and void? Were the atrocities in the Old Testament justified...and completely defensible? Are the atrocities prophecied in the Book of Revelation justifiable...and completely defensible? Does Absolute Power Not Corrupt Absolutely? Also...in the original War in Heaven...33.33% of the angels joined Lucifer in rebellion against God (and Theocracy?)...but how many of the remaining 66.67% of the angels were fence-riders or were secretly in agreement with Lucifer? IMHO...the first and last commandment should be 'Thou Shalt Have No Gods'. But what do I know? I'm just a Prisoner of War on a Prison Planet with Grey Guards and a Reptilian Warden. Even if I did know...I couldn't do a damn thing about it. In the Final Judgment...it is my hope that it will be clearly seen...that I did not give God what he or she wanted...but that I gave God what he or she needed. I tend to think that somehow God lost touch...and that others began playing God...and used God's good name in vain. That would be a sin...wouldn't it?

    Are we sure that the God who requires worship, praise, and sacrifice is not a Reptilian? I'm suspecting an ancient war where we got our heads handed to us by the Reps...and now they theocratically rule us. Unfortunately...they may be ruling us in the same way they rule themselves...and this doesn't really work. I agree that the Divinity Within Humanity should be reverenced. I'm not God...but the Epitome of the Human Collective Unconscious is Divine. Unfortunately...the Nadir of the Human Collective Unconscious is Demonic. The Battle Rages.

    Thank-you all for your comments.

    God and the Archangels might have been quite disfunctional. God and the Archangels might still be quite disfunctional. I mean no irreverence or disrespect...but the Universe may be stranger than we think...or can think. We might all need a helluva lot of therapy.

    Are the Draconian Reptilians mostly invisible (to Human eyes) and Interdimensional? Are the Annunaki Reptilians mostly visible (to Human eyes) and Physical? In a sense...do the Annunaki mediate between God (Draconian Reptilians) and Humanity? Is it the Dracs who really hate us? Are the Annunaki more neutral regarding Humanity? I just finished re-watching the Camelot/Dean interview...and I highly recommend it. I like Bob a lot. However...I keep thinking that there is such a thing as 'Original Sin'(Bob thinks not)...and that it had something to do with what caused the War in Heaven...and is the reason why the Dracs seem to hate us. Could Gabriel be a Draconian Reptilian? Could Lucifer be an Annunaki Reptilian? Could Michael be a Human Being? Are Lucifer and Michael keeping us alive and relatively free? Is Gabriel the equivalent of both God and Satan? Is Gabriel blindly and stubbornly carrying out the orders of an Ancient God who somehow lost touch...and began issuing improper orders? Did Lucifer and Michael choose to disobey these orders? I don't think I'm getting this right...but I'm trying to think...and I'm trying to get you to think. If one of the elites spelled it out to us...and told us the absolute truth...I really and truly don't think we would believe them. They would literally be casting their pearls before the swine...of which I am one. I think we have a 'Disclosure Expectation' where we think we know it all...and are just waiting for the damned PTB to officially and publicly tell us what we smart people already know...'cause we're smarter than the average bear...so to speak. I think Disclosure may be very, very sad and disillusioning. I keep passively trying to figure things out...but I'm afraid of what I will ultimately find. Then they'll probably have to take me away. Hey! Hey!

    Thank-you Stardustaquarion. I think it's interesting that you listed three power groups + the Galactic Federation. I keep hypothesizing about three major factions in this Solar System. (Zionist, Teutonic Zionist, and Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom) I'm not very trusting these days. This is probably why I'm so interested in the possibilities of Collective Human Sovereignty (all people - rather than a dictator) in this Solar System. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878&highlight=orthodoxymoron+threads We may have to show the Gods and Goddesses the way on this one. How do we get the Dracs (and Gabriel?) to like us? Should we even care or try? What is at the very core of the Human/Reptilian controversy? I'm thinking that it's got to be really, really bad...and that 95% of the old and new religions and philosophies are not correct or complete. There's got to be a critical missing link to this whole thing. Are Anna Hayes and Alex Collier getting warm regarding Universal History? I think they know a lot more than they are telling us...or can tell us. When I start reading between the lines...I start getting scared. The major players and elites may have too much negative baggage to think clearly regarding Solar System Governance and Human Sovereignty. Power to the Peons!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw4d_ND69MM&feature=related

    [QUOTE=Stardustaquarion;240199]Anna Hayes, or Ashayana Deane, have no relationship with Alex Collier. I like both; the different is that Asha has come up front and spilled the beans already judging for the Summaries I and II in her website, links below, that explain in great detail the agendas, how we got here, who is who, what will happen in 2012 and what can we do about it. She got there about 70 pages between the two summaries that will blow your mind

    Links http://www.azuritepress.com/New%20Comer/intro_topic_summary_2.php

    http://www.azuritepress.com/New%20Comers/intro_topic_summary_1.php

    Love[/QUOTE]

    Thank-you for the links. I understand that Anna has no relationship with Alex...but they both have rather detailed versions of Universal and Earth history. Are these the definitive versions...or is there a more substantial and established version? I'd like to see the top 5 versions in parallel columns...for comparison purposes. I think everything is suspect. How do we absolutely establish the validity of anything? The ET's or entities can tell us 35% truth and 65% BS...give it a spin and a twist to suit their agenda...and we stupid mortals will bite into it...hook, line, sinker, and fishing boat. I'm really tired of the lies and manipulation. I want the GD truth...and I want it NOW. The answer, my friend, may be in the Vatican Library...or in an even more secure and off-limits repository of forbidden knowledge. 'Keep the pathetic peons apathetic, ignorant...and downright stupid...and we can rule the world (and the universe?) as long as we choose'. Isn't that right evil guys and gals? You've got things (and us) completely under control...don't you? You really don't want us to be able to use 100% of our brain capacities...100% of the time...with total reincarnational history recall...and complete access to all of the forbidden knowledge of the universe. (which could very possibly be OUR ancient technology and wisdom) That can NEVER, EVER happen...can it? I have zero confidence in the custodians of life, the universe, and everything. I'm sorry...but I'm very angry. On the other hand...did having all of the above result in HUGE problems...culminating in the War in Heaven...and subsequent confiscation of technology...and the severe and drastic dumbing-down of the Human Race? I just want to know what really and truly happened...how much trouble we're in...and what, if anything, can be done about it. I feel like a GD lab-rat being experimented upon by some GD mad-scientist. That, in fact, might be pretty close to the truth. The horror. I can just imagine sitting in a boardroom...with ET Humans, Reptilians, and Greys...deep beneath the Dark Side of the Moon...being told the REAL story...in excruciating detail. What I keep hearing...doesn't seem to have the ring of truth. There are bits and pieces which I have latched onto...which I think are very possibly close to the truth...but it's still a disjointed and composite picture. I think I'll know it when I hear the real deal. But at that point...I might want to forget the whole damn thing. But then it will be too late. I may know way too much for my own, or anybody's, good. Perhaps we are better off barefoot and stupid. I'm going to watch Ferraris and beautiful women for awhile...and let someone else thrash around with this mess. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI57X03AtyA 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAPSOTwoG3s&feature=related I always want things I can't have...and which wouldn't make me happy anyway! By the way...has anyone seen 'Legion'? I don't recommend seeing it. Weak plot...and too much violence. But I'd like to hear what other people think about it. I'd like to see a very high budget four-hour movie...depicting the accurate story of Universal and Earth History.
    :zip::lightsabre:

    Thank-you for all of your great comments. Truth and Error are intermingled. Deception is Rampant. Having said that...I am now beginning a journey through the entire abraxasinas thread. I feel a bit like Jesus (if that is possible) when he went into the desert for 40 days to be tested and tempted by the Devil. (it probably will take me 40 days to get through it) I hope I don't grow horns, scales, and a tail...although I don't necessarily have anything against those who have those characteristics.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:51 pm

    Whatever happened to KRLLL? Did KRLLL really die? Who was/is KRLLL really? Here is a partial answer: http://www.krlll.com/index.html Bill Cooper talked about KRLLL. What do you think about the full name Omnipotent Highness KRLLL? Is Original Hostage KRLLL more fitting for O.H. KRLLL? What kind of alien was KRLLL? Was the KRLLL event a staged deception? Did KRLLL prepare the way for the Greada Treaty?

    So...is Cooper's famous 1989 lecture and 'Behold a Pale Horse' a pack of lies? Lear has changed his story at least once that I'm aware of. Why did he make up the O.H. KRLLL story? Did he really make it up...or did he simply say that he made it up? He changed his story regarding our activities on the Moon. (Ask Manticore and Steve A) I take everything with a boatload of salt. I suspect that the 'aliens' have been here for thousands of years...telling world leaders what to do. I don't think they just started showing up in the 1900's. I tend to think that some of the 'alien' stories and events have been staged to make it appear that they just started interacting with humanity.

    Which portions of Bill Cooper's 1989 lecture have been proven to be lies or false? http://www.viddler.com/explore/kakhama/videos/2/ Be specific.

    [QUOTE=trainedobserver;239456]You would no doubt be better served if you do the digging yourself.[/QUOTE]

    I take that as a cop-out. Sorry...but even a couple of examples...after making such bold statements...would have been appropriate.

    I continue to dig...and I continue to find massive corroborating evidence and testimonials for what Bill Cooper said and wrote. Bill's downfall was his temper, drinking, and not knowing when to stop. But he was a man on a mission...with more guts than at least 20 men. He couldn't quite pin down the true nature and extent of the 'alien presence'...and he freely admitted this. Bill was truly a loose cannon...and I can understand the Powers That Be being agitated and nervous by what he said and wrote. But Bill Cooper was just as hard on the general public. He thought people were ignorant and apathetic. My current view is that the blame for our troubles should probably be equally shared by the Powers That Be, the General Public, and Malevolent Non-Humans. Plus...I'm not on a witch-hunt. I just want the BS to stop...so we can all move-on to bigger and better things.

    I want to withdraw every day. This is all fun and exciting...in a way. But a lot of this is pretty grim stuff. I really wish these guys were just showing up... landing on the White House lawn...meeting with President Obama...holding a press conference...and then giving UFO rides to the general public. No abductions, no demonic manifestations, no horrible genetics experiments, no ancient Reptilian vs Human wars, no deception, etc, etc. In a sense...I feel like I'm fighting for my life...while making myself a target for who knows what?! Perhaps I'll withdraw too. Then we can call it a draw.

    I agree. I don't expect this stuff to make me happy. If I wanted to be happy...I'd move to Oregon and smoke pot. I think that full disclosure will be almost unbearable. Things may have to get a lot worse before they get better...if they ever get better.

    [QUOTE=trainedobserver;239600]I feel very strongly that this will never, ever, happen. Not in a million years. And if it did ... if that actually happened, it would be a colossal mistake to take anything they said at face value.

    The phenomena just isn't that simple. It won't fit into a science fiction movie plot. The secrecy, mystery, and deception is owned and operated by the phenomena itself. It has never shown any real desire to present itself honestly and openly. It has been going on for perhaps 1000s of years now in the same manner, I see no reason or indication that it will change how it operates.

    If you are one of the unfortunates who are compelled to study this whole dodgey business I am afraid you are doomed (along with myself) to disappointment.

    Everyone seems to think that "new" things are happening. It is not. Dr. Greer's contactee training, Disclosure Projects, Ashtar Command's channeled nonsense (google Van Tassel), Exopolitics, whistle-blower foo, etc., etc., etc. It is all old hat and retreaded information and antics from yester-year. None of it is new. None of it. Read up on he history of ufology. Research the contactees of the 50s and you'll see the incredible parallels with the present day participants. We are locked in some sort of information hell that cycles through the same nonesense in some sort of endless loop. Why bother? I don't know why anymore.[/QUOTE]

    I would like to hear more about your point of view. I think you may be on to something. I went to a Whole Life Expo many years ago...and I was uncomfortable there. But I was also uncomfortable at church. So I stopped going to both. Then...I just listened to Art Bell...and took everything with a dozen saltshakers. I feel like I'm fighting all the time regarding theology and ufology. Something is very, very wrong. I still think Bill Cooper was truly on to something as well...but I know he wasn't perfect...and I am fully aware of John Lear's comments regarding Bill and 'UFO Disease' wherein things get exaggerated or even fabricated to keep the audiences interested. I'm not looking for peace and happiness in theology and ufology. I think both fields are quite disillusioning...but we still need to face reality...even if it hurts really bad. Once we truly face reality as a society...on an ongoing basis...we can then live in a stable and low-key manner...without all of the lies and hype. We won't be deleriously happy, or unreasonably fearful and angry. We won't be expecting Armageddons or Saviors. We'll just live. Plain and simple.

    TRANCOSO...do you think Bill Cooper was a remote-viewer in a project similar to Montauk? Also...do you think Bill Cooper might have survived the famous shootout? Further...do you think Bill Cooper was Commander X? I keep getting the feeling that people such as Bill Cooper, Alex Collier, Anna Hayes, and others...were or are remote-viewers...possibly as part of government or military programs. Just conjecture. No proof.

    Monday, February 18, 2008

    I am known to humans as KRLLL. I am known to humans as an alien. I have been living on Planet Earth since the middle of the twentieth century. My planet of origin is located in the Pleiades. It is known as Pleon. I bring peace and wisdom. There is another alien force on Planet Earth who is your master. This alien force is not your friend, and yet you obey. I bring liberation, and yet you do not listen. Time is running out. Change course or forever face enslavement.

    Here is something for you to consider:

    1. Evolution of Everything (Physical & Spiritual).

    2. Genetic Engineering & Rule by Good Aliens/Spirits (God) in the Garden of Eden (Ancient Earth). General Peace & Harmony.

    3. Attack/Deception/War of Evil Aliens/Spirits against the Good Aliens/Spirits/Humans. The Good Aliens/Spirits are driven from the Garden of Eden (Ancient Earth). Humanity made a mistake of Biblical proportions. Genesis reads a bit differently, doesn't it? But what makes more sense? The Reptillian Devil was in charge, which is why Genesis reads the way it does!

    4. Genetic Engineering & Rule by Evil Aliens/Spirits with Humans fighting with each other. Ancient religion emerges (Summarian, Egyptian, etc. - created by Evil Aliens/Spirits to control Humans).

    5. Moses & Others rebel against the Evil Aliens/Spirits/Religions with the help of Good Aliens/Spirits. The Bible (Old Testament) is a mixture of Good & Evil. One has to carefully read between the lines to figure out what is really going on. The truth had to be disguised. Some activity atributed to God is really evil and of Satanic origin. Atrocities and sacrifices are examples.

    6. Jesus intensifies the rebellion and establishes a condensed, non-corrupt version of the Old Testament religion promoted by Moses and Others. The Teachings of Jesus are generally ignored by the Christian Church for 2,000 years. Thus, the Evil Aliens/Spirits/Religions retain their control of Planet Earth.

    7. People finally do what Jesus said to do (they haven't so far), and the Battle of Armageddon results. Good Aliens/Spirits/People battle Evil Aliens/Spirits/People for control of Planet Earth.

    8. The Evil Aliens/Spirits/People are driven from Planet Earth and onto Nibiru, which becomes the Devil's Island Prison Planet of the Universe. The Good Aliens/Spirits/People gain total control of Planet Earth. This is the Garden of Eden regained, and what is known as Heaven or Paradise.

    Proceed wisely. KRLLL.

    1:23 pm est

    submitted on May 12, 2008 5:28 PM EDT
    Comments: To the human (or alien) who thinks that God will punish me...I do not claim God-ship. I am an ambassador for an unbelievably good God. A God that is merciful to even a smart-XXX alien like me...KRLLL
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    submitted on May 9, 2008 8:27 PM EDT
    Comments: Good People v Bad People. Good Spirits v Bad Spirits. Good Aliens v Bad Aliens. Good Gods v Bad Gods. Star Wars. Responsible Freedom v Irresponsible Tyranny. Choose Wisely. KRLLL
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    submitted on May 9, 2008 6:51 PM EDT
    Comments: Intresting, "Remember its the real Nice guys that get you" www.youtube.com/chicagoground Feed me more of the information you may have and I shall do the same.
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    submitted on May 9, 2008 12:08 AM EDT
    Comments: Read Leviticus 21 and Matthew 5-7. Which God do you serve? KRLLL
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    submitted on May 7, 2008 10:18 PM EDT
    Comments: you know this isn't funny! The Lord God will judge you for claiming God ship. Just because God showed you a little bit of His secrets you think you know everything. He will NOT have mercy on you!
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    submitted on March 25, 2008 1:14 PM EDT
    Comments: Ok we had a very interesting night last night. The only problem is I can't remember anything. I would really like to be able to remember what we talked about and if it was a prosperous meeting. Nix the don't remember stuff. I can take it. I need to remember so I can follow through with whatever it is I can help you with. I want to listen to you but I can't remember what it is that I need to listen to. I'm hoping I can help get your message out if I can. Or not if you want. Same place and time tonight.
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    submitted on March 24, 2008 3:55 PM EDT
    Comments: If it's you for real met me like you did the first time. Or the time I remember at least. I have some questions I need answered. If that wasn't you then lets get together and talk about some things that need some attention. That I might be able to help with if I can.
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    submitted on February 18, 2008 1:30 PM EST
    Comments: Save us KRLLL

    Here are some cool Cartoon Aliens. Notice the Martians being depicted as being manufactured vultures in the Bugs Bunny cartoons. Is there a hidden message there? Also notice the glass structures and the intent to exterminate humans in the first cartoon. The last video has a cool plot...but the violence is extreme. I include it to show what's out there...but I don't recommend watching more than Part 1 of 8.

    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1exaPnVq5U&NR=1

    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoHUGHb97MA&feature=related

    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK3l1QN5vrM&feature=related

    4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acRzs0jf6E8&feature=related

    5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYZh6j-KtIs

    6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCIDVb_VuTc&feature=related

    7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eim5jLlEPYI&feature=fvw

    8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrrxKp1VbHc&feature=related

    9. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwCFKxA3qhM&feature=related

    10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yolLqx6k1OM&feature=related

    11. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqbQxAO4Rmc

    12. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x91dmo_cowboy-bebop-deep-purple-space-truc_music (Viewer Discretion Advised - Violence)

    13. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sPQ_lZPe_Q&feature=related (Viewer Discretion Advised - Violence & Language - Watch only Part 1 of Cool

    If there is going to be an Avalon II...and Avalon I will become locked into a read-only shut-down of sorts (for whatever nepharious reasons)...and if my 'Thuban Thoughts' has been cast into the everlasting flames of Thread Hell...why not try, try again with 'Thuban Thoughts II'? I just want to go through the entire abraxasinas/Thuban Q&A thread with a fine-toothed comb...in a detached and rational manner...or is this too dangerous for mere mortal minds to contemplate? Don't ban me bro!

    [QUOTE=Aztar;256337]Not really, nope.

    Point is, don't you think you would achieve more by actually involving the Thuban group in your questions, since Abrax could answer you directly?[/QUOTE]

    I wish to analyze the existing abraxasinas/Thuban material which seemed to cause so much consternation...rather than embark on a brand-new wild goose chase...or should I say wild dragon chase? Someday I would like to have an internet one on one with the one who I think might be Hathor/Mary...but that's a real long-shot. I'm not actually trying to achieve anything. I'm just curious. The Thuban group could conceivably be cultish...and I don't wish to become involved in that sort of a situation. I do intend to spend some time on Tony's website...but not in a question/answer forum. I just want to study what is posted there. I feel comfortable with Avalon...and I have no desire to become involved in other forums...at this point in time anyway. When I'm engaged in posting on Avalon...I don't fantasize about other forums. I'm searching for happiness...and I have deep needs. But when I log on to Avalon...I am not searching for happiness...or trying to fulfill my needs. I am searching for truth...plain and simple. Two people have tried to steer me away from the abraxasinas/Thuban material on this thread so far...and there has been a nasty little scuffle. One person...who seems to be quite knowledgable regarding this subject...has offered encouragement. This thread is really no big deal. I'm not a doctor of anything...especially Thuban Studies...so don't get too worked-up regarding what I post on this thread. I'm just thinking out-loud...in my own way...and in my own time. Plus...I might be 100% wrong. I don't care if I'm wrong. Once again...I'm not trying to accomplish anything. truthseekerdan...is that the dragon I was supposed to eat? I refuse to eat my dragon. You are what you eat.

    :original: Namaste:wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:

    Why is my 'Thuban Thoughts' thread still unavailable...even in read-only form...one week after the 'Saturday Night Massacre'? Did it stir up restless spirits from the netherworld? Hocus pocus dominocus...the spirits are about to speak? Or have they already spoken, and said 'No more Thuban Thoughts'? Was the removal an attempt to put the Thuban genie back in the bottle? The one thing I keep thinking is that the final post(s)...which I did not see...were of such a nature that they can't be revealed. I really don't want to speculate about this...but I'm not just going to roll over...and pretend that nothing happened...especially with all of the other questionable activities connected with the forum presently. The thread isn't that big of a deal...but it is the straw that broke the dragon's back...for me anyway. This reminds me of 'Stonewall It!' during Watergate. I keep imagining people in three piece suits and briefcases...walking in and flashing badges...and ordering the current changes in the forum. No proof...but that's what it feels like. There may be legitimate reasons for this...if it's true...but once again...I'm not going to pretend that nothing happened. Red Alert! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-hqbgEz05o&feature=related

    [QUOTE=lightblue;256606][SIZE="3"]dear orthodoxymoron

    if you mentioned I, I, I...my, my, my...a little less, you might just get why your stance is disruptive ..and boring by now...:sleep_1:

    bw l
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    lightblue...did I hit another nerve? My aim is getting better and better! Oops! I did it again! I, my, and I. My oh my! The personal attacks are commencing!! I didn't notice anyone attacking the premise. Skip premise-attacks...and go directly to personal-attacks!! Something is a brewing!! HMMMMMM!!! You seem to be spending a lot of time expressing yourself regarding Avalon2. What is your agenda lightblue? KRLLL=666=III=MYMYMY=ORTHODOXYMORON=888=THUBAN

    [QUOTE=lightblue;256606][SIZE="3"]dear orthodoxymoron
    if you mentioned I, I, I...my, my, my...a little less, you might just get why your stance is disruptive ..and boring by now...:sleep_1:

    bw l
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    [QUOTE=lightblue;256652][SIZE="3"]my comments regarding your I,I,I (above)..are substantiated in you posts previous to my commenting...

    it's sad you took it as a personal attack...

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    ...............................[/QUOTE]

    lightblue...I'm sorry if I thought your compliment was an attack. It just seems that there are a lot of newbie attack dogs on this forum...who appeared out of nowhere...and I thought you might be one of them. It seems that I was mistaken. But whatever the case may be...I will attempt to keep my personalized posts to a minimum...so as to avoid revealing that I really am a self-centered, pompous, supersilious, hypocritical S.O.B. Now...can we get back on-topic...regarding Dragons, Alpha Draconis, Draconian Reptilian Beings, abraxasinas, walk-ins, the Thubans, cults, fiction vs reality...and the attempted take-over and/or destruction of Project Avalon and it's members. I get the feeling that the bad guys and gals...both human and non-human...are becoming almost frantic. Difficult decisions are looming. Choose wisely. KRLLL=666=III=MYMYMY=ORTHODOXYMORON=888=THUBAN

    777 The Great Work...I generally appreciate your comments...but the last one sounds anti-intellectual and pro-denial. I've made it no secret that I'm not a big fan of New Age Mumbo Jumbo...or the Traditional Biblical Theological Mumbo Jumbo. I'm trying to go in a new direction of clarity and reason...but it is true that this is scary...especially regarding various speculations combined with the release of formerly hidden and forbidden knowledge. The veil is being lifted...and the view is startling...to me anyway. There is a stained-glass window at Grace Episcopal Cathedral in San Francisco which features the words 'And Then Came the Light'. That's how I feel right now. I will not crawl back into a subterranean channel of darkness. I might, however, wear sunglasses! :smoke:

    The strange mathematical and complex ramblings found in the abraxasinas/Thuban material could conceivably be representative of how Draconian Reptilians communicate with each other. The real problems may arise when this method of communication is used in conversation with Human Beings. Bill Cooper described the aliens as being very mathematically minded...and that they understood the computer binary language very well. The way they might hypothetically rule us...might be similar to the manner in which they rule themselves. Look at the abraxasinas/Thuban material for clues...rather than getting sucked into it emotionally and spiritually. Proceed with extreme caution. Could this material contain hidden secrets which were not meant by the darkside to be revealed to Human Beings? If there were nothing to the abraxasinas/Thuban material...except for a delusional 52 year old man living in Australia...why would there be so much frantic desperation to reign-in Avalon? Think long and hard about that one. Was the walk-in walking from darkness into light...and spilling the beans in the process? Is the darkside in a state of absolute panic? Is this spilling into the Avalon forum? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-hqbgEz05o&feature=related It makes me wonder. It really makes me wonder. I really and truly wish to interact with other than Human races...even if they are demonic in nature...and I don't know that they are. All I know is that I refuse to worship them as gods...and I refuse to not learn about them because they might be demonic. I seek mutual understanding and appreciation...rather than endless warfare and hatred. Is there some way in which we can work out our seemingly ancient conflict...without enslavement or extermination? I certainly hope so. But once again...I am flying blind. I hope I didn't jinx the process in the Thuban Q&A...and in 'Thuban Thoughts'. No one ever tells me anything. KRLLL=666=III=MYMYMY=ORTHODOXYMORON=888=THUBAN

    Possibility Thinkers Creed:

    When faced with a mountain,
    I will not quit!
    I will keep on striving until I climb over,
    Find a pass through, tunnel underneath,
    Or simply stay and turn the mountain into a gold mine ---
    With God's help!

    :original: Robert H. Schuller :original:

    [QUOTE=Christo888;256907]Ortho... what does this mean?[/QUOTE]

    :lol3: Damned if I know! :lol3: I'm just Groov'n with the Thubans! :lol3: Sigma Phi Nuthin! :lol3: KRLLL=666=III=MYMYMY=ORTHODOXYMORON=888=THUBAN :lol3:

    [QUOTE=mntruthseeker;257134]Naughty🍌[/QUOTE]

    :lol3: mntruthseeker...THAT'S FUNNY!!! :lol3: I refuse to take this serious stuff too seriously! I just want the bad guys and bad gals to become good guys and good gals...human and non-human. This Solar System should be one big frat-house! The Kingdom of God is a PARTY!!! :lol3: KRLLL=666=III=MYMYMY=ORTHODOXYMORON=888=THUBAN :lol3:

    Just an invitation to analyze the heck out of post #18...and tell me what you think about it. I think this may be the most important part of the abraxasinas/Thuban material...other than a couple of posts at the very end of the Q&A. I really don't want to get into a slug-fest or aggravate the spirits. On the other hand...I don't wish to appease the gods and goddesses! Perhaps we need a happy medium! :lol3: KRLLL=666=III=MYMYMY=ORTHODOXYMORON=888=THUBAN

    Still no Thuban Thoughts. Not even in read-only form. No one has given me a reason why. The Thuban Q&A is available in read-only form...as is the 30 page slug-fest...but no Thuban Thoughts. :zip::lightsabre
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:54 pm

    The following videos are on You Tube under the name soundlessdawn. https://www.youtube.com/user/soundlessdawn I can't vouch for the accuracy...but they are very interesting...and very well done. I posted one awhile back...and I really liked it...but I had no idea that there were literally dozens of them! I feel like I just stumbled into a goldmine! Enjoy!

    1. Atenism, The Dog Star, Fallout, and The Birds of Paradise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiI2ttLKjvU&feature=related

    2. Southland Tales, Sri Yantra, and the Butterfly Effect Pt. 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVaBzBvVaUs&feature=related

    3. Southland Tales, Sri Yantra, and the Butterfly Effect Pt. 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbO5r3FM7uU&feature=related

    4. Southland Tales, Sri Yantra, and the Butterfly Effect Pt. 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd_k-PCd4H8&feature=related

    5. Ophiuchus, The Burning Tower, and The Doppelgänger Universe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AlJYWO_g_w&feature=related

    6. Cosmic Keys, Archaic Man, and The ShapeShifting Lizard Kings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=966VUOaJ5sQ&feature=related

    7. Sigils, Magick, and The Ancient Alien Torah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHc4ecUO1HY&feature=related

    8. Hyperborea, The Pineal Gland, and The Spear of Destiny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T9yIBz7qMA&feature=related

    9. Spontaneous DNA, The Rapture, and The Rise to Fourth Density https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbewGohciYw&feature=related

    10. The Montauk Project, Osiris, and The Rendezvous with Rama https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voYnNegWsFE&feature=related

    11. Ouroboros, CERN, and A Trip Through the Water Door https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3z74eo3lkQ&feature=related

    12. Project Lucifer, The Silver Surfer, and The Second Sun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_Vz532wUmM&feature=related

    13. The Tesseract, Transformers, and The Cosmic Christ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfDIVJXkfCU&feature=related

    14. Pi, Pythagoras, and The Philosopher's Stone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__Vv5qsNZKI

    15. Cymatics, Fractals, and The Spirit Molecule https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl3_2ONNeKs

    16. Icarus, The Nexus, and The Artificial Moon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edALJt3KeqY&feature=related

    17. Exodus, The Temple of Set, and The Pyramid of Darkness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_QCldF2CO8&feature=related

    18. Fear and Loathing, 777, and the Tree of Life https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YWRXKeBSiE&feature=related

    19. Decapitated Heads, 888, and The Serpent of the Crossing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7hfi_S3cm0&feature=related

    20. Time Tree Echos, Equilibrium, and The Obama AntiChrist? Pt.1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcTktIQBnqU&feature=related

    21. Time Tree Echos, Equilibrium, and The Obama AntiChrist? Pt.2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQffiKjDspo&feature=related

    22. Masquerade Infernale, The Hanged Man, and The Loom of Fate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJl8_O4pGhA&feature=related

    23. Pandora's Box, Sobek, and The Gateway to Shangri-La https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZI3tTKYa0c&feature=related

    24. Babylon A.D, Jericho, and the Last Zion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONQxQedznT0&feature=related

    25. Eagle Eye, The Valkyries, and The Stairway to Enlightenment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB9wnkR0N2I&feature=related

    26. Hollow Earth, Agartha, DNA, Serpent Magnetism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPY1oumwu6c&feature=related

    Really...these short videos are Very cool! But they might cause smoke to emerge from your ears. They are quite intense!

    [QUOTE=Mercuriel;244290]What are they about specifically Brother ? Ancient Esoterica ?

    Just a Hint if You will...

    :original:[/QUOTE]

    Mercuriel...I now have the titles next to the links. They are pretty descriptive. If you watch one...you will get the general idea of what all of them are like. They deal a lot in symbolism...found in motion pictures. Whoever put these together did a terrific job...IMHO.

    Your welcome Dan. This thread is sort of an Esoterica 101 class. This is a class which I will need to repeat...over and over and over again. Illumination for the Useless Feeders! Power to the Peons!! Exoterica Sucks!!

    Bone-Head:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:Esoterica

    Welcome seismorg. Your welcome. I hope you enjoy the videos. I'm encouraging esoteric studies...but I'm discouraging esoteric practices. I think we all should know about the secrets of the universe, and hidden forbidden knowledge...but I think a lot of the practices and rituals are demonic in nature...and that they are very dangerous...to say the least. Watch the Leo Zagami (a real lose cannon) http://projectcamelot.org/leo_zagami.html and Jordan Maxwell http://projectcamelot.org/jordan_maxwell.html interviews by Project Camelot. They should scare the hell out of you. Knowing where the quicksand is...doesn't mean that you have to get stuck in it. To gain the best kind of spirituality...go for long walks in nature, and listen to a lot of inspiring music. Perhaps this thread should be called 'Esoterics for Dummies'. Naughty

    I really thought these videos would be a hit (no I didn't - I knew better than that)...but I'm not seeing much interest (as usual). These videos are exceptionally well-done and insightful. I'm going to watch them over and over. I love this sort of thing. It's an example of what I call 'Contextual Superimposition'. This is a term worth getting acquainted with. Enjoy.

    I got to thinking...we debate just about everything...even forbidden knowledge...which must certainly attract the attention of Echelon, the Alphabet Agencies, Motherships, and Deep Underground Military Bases. One big happy family! But do we discuss the problem of violence...in an exhaustive and academic manner? Should we declare War on Violence? Is that an oxymoron? Is violence a sin? I've opened some Pandora's Boxes since I arrived at Avalon...and I'm going to open another one. As usual...I have no mapped-out agenda. I just think and speculate out-loud...for better or worse...I don't know.

    What really brought this on...was going to see 'Legion'...which profoundly disappointed me. The plot was weak...and the violence was sickening. But the previews for other violent motion-pictures really floored me. I don't go out much...and I shy away from violence...so I was shocked by the glorification of violence on the silver-screen. Our phones are tapped. Our internet activities recorded. Our houses searched without warrants. All for our safety...of course. But violence is promoted and glorified EVERYWHERE. But that's alright. But why is that alright? Aren't Hollywood and the Gaming Industry teaching people to commit violent crime? Aren't they educating future terrorists? I'd like to discuss this online with someone from Homeland Security. There's this supposed fear of social unrest and rioting...and preparations are being made to deal with this threat. But what about the violent movies, books, games, cartoons, and toys? What the hell is going on? Should there be a Sin-Tax on Violent Entertainment which would be used to help victims of war and violent crime...world-wide? This is a day which will live in infamy.

    I DECLARE WAR ON VIOLENCE!

    Thank-you for your comments. Here is a game-based cartoon movie...which is quite violent and gory. I don't recommend watching more than the first part. I only include it to demonstrate what's out there...as sort of an 'Exhibit A'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sPQ_lZPe_Q&feature=related :shocked: 'Exhibit B' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqnVc65gwYc&feature=related :sad:

    Steve X...at first I didn't like your comment. But then I remembered a comment by Martin Scorsese (I think)...where he said that violence on the screen should show the pain and suffering of the victims...including surgery, physical-therapy, psychotherapy, etc. So much violence is just 'Bang...your dead! Ha! Ha!' If the number of violent acts depicted were drastically reduced...and the goriness drastically increased...including ER and OR scenes...this might be the way to go. Certain storylines require some violence...but it should never be glorified...and it should never be non-stop gratuitous violence. I'm not advocating sugar-coating everything...holding hands and singing kumbaya.

    Your WWI scene reminds me of the slogan 'What if they had a war...and nobody came?' Supposedly the Russians were getting their butts kicked so badly by the exotic German weaponry...that they had to post guards with shoot to kill orders (to improve morale)...to keep the Russian soldiers from running away. Very, very sad.

    I just opened a Pandora's Box with a thread on violence. Now I'm opening another one with a thread on Abortion, Euthanasia, Suicide, and Murder. I realize that this is probably one of the most painful and sensitive topics imaginable. But I think it needs to be focused upon at this time. Ethics are supremely important. Responsibility is at the Heart of Ethics....and Responsibility is the Truth Which Sets Us Free.

    Abortion, Euthanasia, Suicide, and Murder are all about the willful termination of life. Most of the terminated life involved with these four words are normal and healthy lives. There is a small minority of terminated life which involves horrible medical problems and gross genetic abnormalities...some of which involve unimaginable pain and suffering. I mostly wish to deal with the termination of normal and healthy life. I'm reading a book titled 'How We Die' by Dr. Sherwin Nuland. Hopefully this will help me to properly deal with this difficult subject.

    Thank-you for your provocative comment Kent. I can imagine walking with you beside a lake in British Columbia...having a conversation involving the issues you raised. We really do live out of harmony with nature. We need to get back to nature...and live more simply...with much smaller carbon footprints. We go to extrordinary lengths to keep very abnormal, sick, and suffering people alive...at huge expense. Yet we willfully kill perfectly normal and healthy people...sometimes at huge expense. According to some...the gods and goddesses...human and non-human...want to kill 90% of us. God drowned the whole damn world in the Great Flood...according to the Bible. What's wrong with this picture?

    A person is declared 'dead' when they no longer have a heartbeat or brainwaves. Shouldn't a person be declared 'alive' when they have a heartbeat or brainwaves? Shouldn't a person be declared a 'murderer' if they willfully cause heartbeats and brainwaves to cease? Would this make an abortion acceptable up to the point at which heartbeats and brainwaves are present? Think this one through. The pro-choice people could have their way up until the point at which heartbeats and brainwaves were present. The pro-life people could have their way after heartbeats and brainwaves were present. This is sort of a Solomon-like distinction...which would probably make everyone angry...but it just might be the pragmatic thing (if not the right thing) to do.

    [QUOTE=viking;254552]:tease: Oh yes I can cause I can remember....:roftl:

    viking[/QUOTE]

    I have fond memories of when I was daddy's little squirt! Naughty

    Why is fame, fortune, and power at the center of healthcare? Why is prevention not at the center of healthcare? Preventing accidents and disease should be the top priority. Why is this so hard? There seems to be a resistance in our society to anything that makes sense...and which would make the world a better place. What the hell is going on? A fence at the top of the cliff makes a lot more sense than an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. But that's bad for the doctor, hospital, and drug business. Healthcare is a BIG CORRUPT BUSINESS. Our approach to healthcare is utterly irresponsible. But as long as we worship the God of Fame, Fortune, and Power...instead of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit...nothing will change. Did I miss 'Prevention Specialist' in the list below?

    U.S. Physician Salaries - Ongoing Salary Survey

    *Survey includes base salaries, net income or hospital guarantees minus expenses

    June, 2003 - Present


    SPECIALTY Years 1-2 >3 Max
    Allergy/ Immunology $158,000 $221,000 $487,000
    Ambulatory $ 80,000 $112,000 $152,000
    Anesthesiology: Pediatrics $ 283,000 $311,000 $378,000
    Anesthesiology: General $207,000 $275,000 $448,000
    Anesthesiology: Pain Management $315,000 $370,000 $651,000
    Cardiology: Invasive $258,000 $395,000 $647,000
    Cardiology: Interventional $290,000 $468,000 $811,000
    Cardiology: Noninvasive $268,000 $403,000 $599,000
    Critical Care $187,000 $215,000 $320,000
    Dermatology $ 195,000 $308,000 $452,000
    Emergency Medicine $192,000 $216,000 $295,000
    Endocrinology $171,000 $187,000 $260,000
    FP (with OB) $182,000 $204,000 $241,000
    FP (w/o OB) $161,000 $135,000 $239,000
    FP - Sports Medicine $ 152,000 $208,000 $363,000
    FP - Urgent Care $ 128,000 $198,000 $299,000
    Gastroenterology $265,000 $349,000 $590,000
    Hematology/Oncology $181,348 $245,000 $685,000
    Infectious Disease $154,000 $178,000 $271,000
    Internal Medicine $154,000 $176,000 $238,000
    IM (Hospitalist) $161,000 $172,000 $245,000
    Medicine/Pediatrics $139,000 $168,000 $271,000
    Medical Oncology $198,000
    $257,000 $455,000
    Neonatal Medicine $286,000 $310,000 $381,000
    Nephrology $191,000 $269,000 $447,000
    Neurology $180,000 $228,000 $345,000
    Obstetrics/Gynecology $211,000 $261,000 $417,000
    Gynecology $159,000 $213,000 $358,000
    Maternal/Fetal Medicine $286,000 $322,000 $610,000
    Occupational Medicine $139,000 $185,000 $290,000
    Ophthalmology $138,000 $314,000 $511,000
    Ophthalmology Retina $280,000 $469,000 $716,000
    Orthopedic Surgery $256,000 $342,000 $670,000
    ORS - Foot & Ankle $228,000 $392,000 $791,000
    ORS - Hand & Upper Extremities $288,000 $459,000 $770,000
    ORS - Hip & Joint Replacement $330,000 $491,000 $715,000
    ORS - Spine Surgery $398,000 $670,000 $1,352,000
    ORS - Sports Medicine $266,000 $479,000 $762,000
    Otorhinolaryngology $194,000 $311,000 $516,000
    Pathology $169,000 $321,000 $610,000
    Pediatrics $135,000 $175,000 $271,000
    Pediatrics - Cardiology $145,000 $282,000 $607,000
    Pediatrics - Critical Care $196,000 $259,000 $398,000
    Pediatrics - Hematology/Oncology $182,000 $217,000 $251,000
    Pediatrics - Neurology $175,000 $189,000 $362,000
    Physiatry $169,000 $244,000 $313,000
    Podiatry $128,000 $168,000 $292,000
    Psychiatry $149,000 $169,000 $238,000
    Psychiatry - Child and Adolescent $158,000 $189,000 $265,000
    Pulmonary Medicine + Critical Care $215,000 $288,000 $417,000
    Radiation Oncology $241,000 $385,000 $787,000
    Radiology $201,000 $354,000 $911,000
    Rheumatology $179,000 $229,000 $378,000
    Surgery - General $226,000 $291,000 $520,000
    Surgery - Cardiovascular $336,000 $515,000 $811,000
    Surgery - Neurological $354,000 $541,000 $936,000
    Surgery - Plastic $237,000 $412,000 $820,000
    Surgery - Vascular $270,000 $329,000 $525,000
    Urology $261,000 $358,000 $619,000

    SOURCE: Allied Physicians, Inc., Los Angeles Times and Rand McNally

    *Updated June, 2006

    [QUOTE=Seashore;260301]Yes it is but I think the solution is exposing and taking away control from the international bankers and corporate CEOs who are the decision makers from behind the scene.

    It is the role of an honest government to protect the populace. In my opinion, we can't have honest government as long as there is money in politics. I believe this is the core of our problem.[/QUOTE]

    I sometimes wonder if all of the people should vote on a daily basis. With the advent of the internet...do we really need representatives to think for us? I've been pushing the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights a lot...but within that general framework of government...should the people represent themselves rather than electing representatives who represent corrupt special interests...rather than the people who elected them? Are we the irresponsible delegating authority to the even more irresponsible...who we then blame for being irresponsible? Should the elected representatives make their case on the internet...and then let we the people vote? That would solve that pesky money problem...wouldn't it?

    [QUOTE=Seashore;260323]I think that some issues are complex and require hearings to explore the details. I think it is too much to expect every citizen to take the time to do this work.[/QUOTE]

    The hearings would be conducted with live internet coverage. I don't think it is too much to expect most citizens to take the time to do this important work.

    OK...I just made a modification to Article 1, Section 1 of the Founding Documents of the United States of the Solar System. Note the following:

    We the People of the United States of the Solar System, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of the Solar System.

    Article 1.

    Section 1
    All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States of the Solar System, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives. All Elected Representatives of We the People of the United States of the Solar System shall vote according to the Will of the People as Recorded Daily by Internet Voting.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:56 pm

    Seven score and five years ago, a great American signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

    But one hundred forty-five years later, the Human Race still is not free. One hundred forty-five years later, the lives of Human Beings are still sadly crippled by the manacles of greed and the chains of fear. One hundred forty-five years later, Humanity lives on a lonely island of quiet desperation in the midst of a vast ocean of nearly seven billion souls. One hundred forty-five years later, Humanity is still languished in the corners of global society and finds itself an exile on its own planet. And so today...I have determined to dramatize a shameful condition.

    In a sense...I've come to our religious and political leaders to cash a check. When the architects of the American constitutional republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all people would be guaranteed the "Unalienable Rights" of "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness." America was to be a city on a hill...to illuminate the rest of the world with Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given We the People of Earth a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds."

    But I refuse to believe that America...and the rest of the world...is morally bankrupt. I refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds. And so, I've determined to cash this check...a check that will give Humanity...upon demand...the riches of freedom and the security of justice.

    I have also determined to remind the world of the fierce urgency of Now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of nationalism and protectionism. Now is the time to lift our world from the quicksands of war and hate...to the solid rock of brotherhood and sisterhood. Now is the time to make Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom a reality for all of God's children.

    It would be fatal for We the People of Earth to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of Humanity's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. 2012 will not be the end...but a beginning. And those who hope that the patriots and conspiracy theorists needed to blow off steam and will now be content...will have a rude awakening if the world returns to business as usual. And there will be neither rest nor tranquility in the world until Humanity is granted it's citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our world until the bright day of justice emerges.

    But there is something that I must say to We the People of Earth...who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice: In the process of gaining our rightful place in the universe...we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.

    The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed Humanity must not lead us to a distrust of all of the Powers That Be...for many of them have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. And they have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom.

    We cannot walk alone.

    And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead.

    We cannot turn back.

    There are those who are asking the devotees of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as any Human Being is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of brutality and starvation. We can never be satisfied as long as our bodies and minds are racked with the pain and horror of war. We cannot be satisfied as long as our children are stripped of their self-hood and robbed of their dignity by being taught violence, lies, and immorality. We cannot be satisfied as long as the will of we the people of Earth is not taken seriously...and followed. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until "justice rolls down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream."¹

    I am not unmindful that some of you have encountered great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. And some of you have come from areas where your quest -- quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive. Know that somehow this situation can and will be changed.

    Let us not wallow in the valley of despair, I say to you today, my friends.

    And so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

    I have a dream that one day this world will rise up and live out the true meaning of the creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."

    I have a dream that one day...the elites and the general public will sit down together at the table of brotherhood and sisterhood.

    I have a dream that one day...even the Deep Underground Military Bases will be transformed into an oasis of openness and transparency.

    I have a dream that one day...we the people of Earth will not be judged by our fame, fortune, and power...but by the content of our characters.

    I have a dream today!

    I have a dream that one day the little boys and girls of the world...will be able to join hands...as Citizens of Earth.

    I have a dream today!

    I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, and every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight; "and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together."

    This is our hope...and Earth is our home.

    With this faith, we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith, we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our world into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood and sisterhood. With this faith, we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.

    And this will be the day -- this will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with new meaning:

    My country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing.

    Land where my fathers died, land of the Pilgrim's pride,

    From every mountainside, let freedom ring!

    If America is to be a great nation...this must become true. If Earth is to be a great planet...this must become true.

    And so let freedom ring from Washington D.C. in the United States of America.

    Let freedom ring from the United Nations in New York City.

    Let freedom ring from the City of London in London, England.

    Let freedom ring from Vatican City in Rome, Italy.

    Let freedom ring thoughout the Secret Government.

    But not only that:

    Let freedom ring from the Secret Space Program throughout the Solar System.

    Let freedom ring from every Deep Underground Military Base throughout the Solar System.

    Let freedom ring from the Sea of Tranquility on the Moon.

    From every Planet of the Solar System...let freedom ring.

    And when this happens, when we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every planet, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, of all races, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual:

    Free at last! Free at last!

    Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!

    :original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:


    God is alive and well...and living in Orange County...and vacationing in Pine Gap. :original:

    [QUOTE=greybeard;258386]Think I can guess where you live, O.M.:welcomeani:
    Happy holiday.----vacation
    Regards and Namaste
    Chris[/QUOTE]

    Namaste from Lunar Base II :original:

    Could the 144,000 be related to the 100th monkey? What if a critical mass of 144,000 truly enlightened and highly ethical people will be required to satisfy a galactic legal requirement which will allow us to self-rule? Also look at the last few posts on the Thuban Q&A thread. Notice the judgment comment and the abraxasinas identity comment. I'm not going to be more specific. Look at this in the context of the last days of that ill-fated thread. Good-luck in seeing what I'm referring to! :wink2:

    Notice my avatar! The internet was very slow for at least an hour...earlier today. Now it seems to be normal. I saw my first UFO's about 10 days ago. Combined with the Thuban and Avalon problems...I'm more jumpy than usual...and that means I'm hopping around like a rabbit in heat! :lol3:

    This does not feel like a transition to bigger and better things. This feels like a takeover and a crackdown. :zip: Who knows what pressures have been exerted on the legitimate administration of Avalon? :shocked::lightsabre: A takeover and a crackdown would be disguised...would it not? :sneaky2: It wouldn't be an open 'We're the Alphabet Nice Guys and Jesuits...and We're Here to Help!' Just leave Avalon alone...except for going back to $5/month...and perhaps some minor changes in moderating and posting guidelines. :original: I'm expecting unexpected visitors to my home. I'll make some coffee when you show up at 3AM. Cup o

    Celine...why are you so defensive and sarcastic? Don't get me wrong...I think alternative-thinking needs to be responsible and well moderated...but what I am sensing is not responsible. And no...I'm not kidding.

    Why not leave the current Avalon forum...as is...and add Avalon 2? The current Avalon would be oriented toward those who wish to take off the gloves and get metaphysical Mad 3 ...while Avalon 2 would be oriented toward those who wish to hold hands and sing kumbaya. :wub2: Then...make both forums $5/month. Additionally...have Avalon and Avalon 2 conferences...oriented toward each group. This would calm things down...and make everyone happier. :original: Money may not be a spiritual consideration (I think it is)...but I'm thinking $250,000 gross and $125,000 net per year. Don't shoot the goose with the golden egg...and cook your own goose! But what do I know? No No Gotta match Rocky? No No:lightsabre:

    Are there any alternative-thinking forums out there in cyberspace which require an IQ test to join...and are completely unmoderated and uncensored...with banning forbidden? If there aren't...perhaps there should be. There could be 100-120 (FreeThought4All 1), 120-140 (FreeThought4All 2), and 140+ (FreeThought4All 3) forums. Just a thought. Welcome back exiled, chastened, and contrite moderators. :zip::lightsabre: Don't ban me bro! :original::lightsabre:

    Who is the grand architect of all of this? It really feels like Avalon has been taken over by the alphabet agencies and the Jesuits...and I don't necessarily have anything against those people. Really...if I were in their shoes...I'd probably be doing what they do. I often think that they are some of the few people who fully understand what I (and others) post. It just feels really creepy. This reminds me of the following chilling telephone call on 9/11: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbOzSeu6sJA I know that's a stretch...but that's what I keep thinking about. I don't care about the vibes. I just want the truth. It seems as though the only way to remain 'positive' and to 'keep the vibes up'...is to lie, lie, and lie some more. Sorry...but that's how I see it.

    Dont' take my comment personally. I just wished to place that possibility on the record. I'm sure that Avalon...in it's present form...is a thorn in the flesh of a lot of people, aliens, and organizations. Pressure to reform and conform is inevitable...and even understandable. However...there needs to be a creative tension between those who wish to keep the peace...and those who wish to follow the truth wherever it leads. Actually...both sides of the equation are necessary. I believe that clamping down too harshly on the alternative thinkers would really damage the cause of those who wish to keep the peace. Avalon...and other similar sites...are safety valves and idea laboratories. We may ultimately be the Best Buddies of the Powers That Be. That may sound counterintuitive...but think long and hard about that...and I think you will agree.

    Well Excuuuuuse Me! I'm sorry...but I smell a rat! No...I smell lots of rats!! Numerous Site Meltdowns, Odd Website Performance, and Removal (or non-functioning) of Links. The End of Paid Subscriptions. Peculiar Newbies. The Bill and Kerry 'divorce'. The abraxasinas/Thuban crisis. ModeratorGate. Anchor stepping down. The 'New and Improved' Avalon...by Invitation Only. My 'Thuban Thoughts' being removed without a specific reason. I smell some sort of a take over. I actually like dealing with a lot of 'problem posters'. It builds character. I don't really care who they are (agents, aliens, troublemakers, Jesuits, et al)...or what their agendas are. In fact...some of these people and non-people know more about what's really going on than just about anyone else. We Avalonians are tough enough to take it! Bring it on! Let's go! How about all of the above being remedied and/or reversed? I just want an uncorrupted process of truth-seeking. What's the cyberspace equivalent of running in the streets with torches and pitchforks??!! I hope several people around the world are backing-up all of the information presently on this site. Seriously. Where do we meet if the site is completely shut down? Red Alert! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-hqbgEz05o&feature=related 🎺

    [QUOTE=annemirri;255600]We as a human race are destined to reach for the stars,

    and there we cannot any longer talk about "Christ" or "jesus".

    WE have to find the inner truth in ourselves without any masters,
    religious figures.

    I read all the posts in this thread again,
    and it really saddens me to feel the narrow mindedness,

    why cannot you see ?

    The truth is there will more who will soon face the same choices,
    to be humble or take your chances ? some will be left behind.

    a.[/QUOTE]

    Is it not narrow minded to call my reference to the words attributed to Jesus..."narrow minded"? I have decided to follow Jesus. Though none go with me...still I will follow. No turning back. You seem to have missed the crux of what I was attempting to communicate. This saddens me. :sad: Having said that...I have repeatedly stated that the first and last commandment should be 'Thou Shalt Have No Gods'. Can I not attempt to harmonize my life with the words attributed to Jesus....without having a God...in the generally accepted sense? I'm going to repeat my original comment one last time. Please comment on the actual content of the post.

    [QUOTE=orthodoxymoron;255108]What about positive thinking and self esteem? Are they in harmony with the teachings of Jesus? Are they a new religion which is out of harmony with the words attributed to Christ? What is the underlying principle in the four gospels? Is it positive thinking and self esteem, or something else? Without going into a proof text rant, I must say that I find positive thinking much more biblical than self esteem! Faith is closely related to positive thinking, and is well thought of in scripture in general, and the teachings of Jesus in particular. On the other hand, self esteem is closely related to pride, and is decidedly not well thought of in scripture in general, and the teachings of Jesus in particular. An extreme rendition of the joining of positive thinking and self esteem is 'I Am God'...which is not something that the Bible encourages its readers to go around proclaiming!

    The problem is self delusion and self centeredness. Not facing reality is a form of lying...to yourself! Self exaltation is self centered. Self degradation is also self centered. The religion contained in the teachings of Jesus is a religion of responsibility! To be responsible is to face reality...see it clearly...formulate a responsible course of action...and then to implement this plan. It is duty centered! The focus is external...not internal! When someone lives responsibly, the byproduct is appropriate positive AND negative thinking (which includes both faith and doubt), and an appropriate self image. They are the fruit...not the root! In other words, positive delusion is not the solution to negative delusion, and self exaltation is not the solution to self degradation! Responsibility trumps both positive thinking and self esteem! The religion of positive thinking and self esteem is not the religion of the teachings of Jesus. The religion of responsibility is the religion of Jesus! We should seek the exaltation of the Human Race...rather than the exaltation of ourselves. Pride goes before a fall...but so does a lack of confidence! Balance prevents a fall!

    Please don't misunderstand my seemingly harsh stance on positive thinking and self esteem. A negative thinking and self degrading Christianity opened the door wide open to these teachings. They have come as a breath of fresh air to millions of people around the world! But some have found Peale appalling and Paul appealing! Teaching and preaching centered in postive thinking and self esteem have been corrective...but they should not be normative! A religion of responsibility, as found in the teachings of Jesus is, in my view, the normative standard! The humble often submit to the proud. Refuse to kneel before tyrants! Stand tall...and lift!

    :original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:[/QUOTE]

    Mad 3 I am not a potted plant! Mad 3 I am not I am! Mad 3 I am somebody! Mad 3

    Could it be that the good-guys are showing up...in preparation for a solar system exorcism...to remove the bad-guys from this solar system? Are they getting ready to rumble and kick some @$$? Has humanity finally awoken to a sufficient level to make this possible? Are we finally ready to rule ourselves? I don't have a clue. I'm a rebel without a clue.

    There's some pretty heavy and abstract stuff on this thread! It seems that the PTB are desperate...and are running faster and faster on a tightrope. I think the elite are in a lot more trouble than the peons. We're all in trouble...I think. Knowledge and truth will be key to setting us free. Even the bad-guys want to be free.

    Now that's funny!!!:lol3:NaughtyLmao:mfr_lol:

    Perhaps our hardware and their software are in high Earth orbit. Is it showtime? Or is it show and tell...as in show up and tell us what to do?:mfr_omg::lightsabre:

    [quote=Lionhawk;172663]I didn't say that I agreed with the reported results but I do support the effort of what is trying to be conveyed by Tone3 jaguar. It does exists in that field of potential. So I can accept the possibilities as being probable. There are no limitations. We limit ourselves, PERIOD. But to try to limit everyone's thinking is just a disgrace with the innuendos and ridicules. So if I may say it, Grow up will ya? Every path is different and it isn't your job to say what works for you is to work for everyone else. Hey, if what works for you is working then God Bless you. But if you are coming here to create chaos, because there is something lacking in your paradigm, then you will only end up showing what is lacking within you. Look in the mirror, then get real with yourself because you are the one who is polarizing yourself for more baggage. I got tied of carrying that baggage. It takes to much effort to lug around.

    If you don't like what is presented here, then just move on. It doesn't need to get personal. Many here are striving to move forward and we find ourselves surrounded by parasitic behaviors that have only one purpose in mind. To suck the life force out of you. So if you are a parasite just know you are revealing to everyone what you are with lame threats and boring comments. What you can't stand is that someone may have succeeded in the developments of the spirit and are not just talking the talk but walking it. That's in the first hand and you can't touch that. Why do you think that there have been secret societies in the past where a lot of this stuff was kept secret. Because many can't handle the truth. It's your paradigm, and if you want it to be limited so you are comfortable and secure then that is of your choosing. But it is not for you to dishonor someone else's paradigm because of your limitations in yours.

    And we wonder why we are at BASE 0. Isn't it obvious as to why? I respect the right to free speech as with many out there. But not the abuse of it and to justify it because someone feels entitled emotionally is an abuse of that gift. It damn sure isn't no blessing. It is one thing to have the right to free speech but another to abuse that right by infliction of negativity onto others. Same with free agency. All the problems we are facing in this sector is because of the abuse and misuse of that gift. You choose!!!!!!!!!!

    Meanwhile, back at the ranch...................

    Namaste'[/quote]

    It's a problem...isn't it? If the secrets of the universe are revealed to the general public...we go nuts. If the secrets of the universe are concealed within secret societies...they become incredibly corrupt. I vote for revealing the secrets of the universe to the general public. Yes...we will go nuts...but eventually we will get over it and grow up. Then everyone will be an elite. Hopefully we will survive...and become at least a 1 civilization...instead of being a -1. Not making disagreements personal is an excellent place to begin. Just stick to the facts.

    [quote=Myplanet2;173016]I was completely serious when I said this was a game. It's so obvious when looked at from outside. My wife yesterday recounted the story of an experience she had a few months back, where she was driving to the store and 3D flickered and winked out for a couple of seconds intermittently. Her 9th Dimensional Pleiadian guides told her she slipped through the "veil" to another dimension momentarily, and then put things back as they were. I've personally had the "hologram" waver and bend and twist, to where space was not uniform. These types of experience show things not to be as solid and rigid as they pretend to be.

    I'm not sure how you are connecting dots here, because I don't interact with any new age religions, or even know what they are. The game here is extreme "highs and lows in polarity". So hell yeah, it can seem serious, but looked at from above, it's no more serious than stubbing the toe. War, death, pain, hatred, abuse, etc, at the end of the day, is no more serious than stubbing the toe. War is a stepped up football game, or chess game. Same thing only bigger and more extremes piled on.

    No, there is no one to give ones responsibility and power to. Nobody in a position to receive such, would accept it. They know why we are here, and what we are here to do.

    This isn't about giving up, or being a victim. Again, I don't know how you connect those things with likening what we are doing to a game.

    What is not obvious from within this game, is that it has already been won. The game is over, and the contestants are still standing there on either side of the line in the sand saying "yeah???? What of it???? you want to go again????"

    The idea of winners and losers or even gloating winners and sore losers, is only possible within the game. The game just needs exiting. just put down the football. It's over. We won. Walk away from the line, and so will the other "side". They are only still standing there glaring at you, because you are still standing there glaring at them.[/quote]

    I consider life to be a game of sorts...and that game playing gives meaning and interest to life. The key is to engage in Constructive Competition rather than Destructive Competition. Honest and productive business is an example of Constructive Competition. War is an example of Destructive Competition. This is an extremely important point. Competition and Game Playing are integral parts of Freedom. But Freedom must be Responsible...and Competition must be Constructive.

    I just keep visualizing a responsible and free solar system at peace. I hope the various powerful factions of all races see the light and do the right thing. This isn't antigravity science. This isn't even rocket science. Well maybe it's Keylontic Science.

    S.O.S. = Save Our Selves! I love it!

    As for the agents. That is to be expected. I hope there are some agents who are tasked with learning from this site...and with implementing the best ideas and approaches in a public education program. If malevolent aliens are the real bosses of some of the agents...then arguing with them is a way to challenge the bad-guys in this solar system. I would also expect some white-hat agents who are tasked with making sure there is an orderly paradigm-shift through evolutionary rather than revolutionary means. This would actually be a good thing...I think. If and when things really heat up...I would like to find a good white-hat agent...and follow their instructions precisely. It worked for the heroes in the original 'V' series. Unfortunately...a good agent is hard to find!! :lol3: The alphabet agents and Jesuits probably know more about what's really going on than just about anyone else. I just hope that most of them do the right thing when it really counts.

    [quote=Initiate;175986]I think your missing the point altogether Ortho.

    "You, and others here, are white hat agents". You just don't know it yet. Above the 3D world your it.[/quote]

    Originally Posted by Lionhawk:
    "I have uncovered something. I knew the first day I came here that it was already here. Agents. Lurking, surfing, intervening, and manipulating. At first I just brushed it off as I was getting acquainted with the site. But certain events that have transpired over this passed weekend, have opened my eyes as to the degree of what is happening here. It starts here. This isn't about paranoia. There is proof and I am only one of several who have had several experiences concerning this issue. The reason as to their presence is very clear to those who 'KNOW." What this forum is all about. It's simple. They don't want anyone to know. That is their number one priority is for us to be unenlightened, underpowered, and just shunted from our true essence. So what this site represents is something they will not want us to discover. Ourselves."

    My comment: I get your point Initiate...but I also think I at least partially grasped Lionhawk's point...plus I added some of my own points. I used the shotgun approach...and I think that at least some of the buckshot connected with the target.

    Something is a brewing:

    Before Solar System Exorcism: Alpha Draconis > Sirius B > Lucifer/Caligastia/Satan > Vatican City > City of London > United Nations > Washington D.C. = Military/Industrial/Financial/Alien Theocracy

    After Solar System Exorcism: Constitutional Responsible Freedom > U.S. Constitution/Bill of Rights > United States of the Solar System > Member States Throughout the Solar System

    All of the above is subject to change without notice. I don't know if this is accurate, possible, reasonable, etc, etc. I'm just trying to think out loud...among friends...I hope. I am very interested in the chain of command. I want to eventually determine a meticulously accurate chain of command. I don't want to 'defeat' the Draconians and Sirians. That might not even be possible. I just want the human race to rule the human race in this solar system. I don't necessarily have a problem with doing business with the Draconians and Sirians...at a distance...and without them ruling over us in any way, shape, or form. I think this would be in their best interest...as well as ours. Unfortunately...they might not see it that way.

    Once more...I don't know what the true state of affairs really is. I'm just playing along with various scenarios and possibilities. I'm flexible and gullible. But I do wonder who's here...and why?

    Now I'm going to change gears...and watch one of my favorite Ferraris...the 333SP. I want one! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sxh9jSDES8&feature=relatedYouTube - Goodwood Festival of Speed ONBOARD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBcG_Byutj0&feature=relatedYouTube - Ferrari 333SP at Road America

    What if all of the 'new arrivals' will be featured in the new 'V' series? What if Obama will be a guest on the series...and will give a disclosure speech? What if his Nobel Prize is related to all of the above? HMMMMMM

    lindabaker: It's supposed to start November 3, 2009 on ABC. I don't have a TV...but I may have to break down and buy one...just for that series!

    3tonejaguar: I was just kidding! Or was I? Are we sure that the Draconians don't run the universe? If they don't...who does? Why do I keep thinking that we are in huge trouble here on Earth? Are we sure that the universe is not a theocracy? If a planet wishes to be free...is it considered to be hostile? Is Earth considered to be a Planet in Rebellion? I wonder. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahjPQjQGdbU

    The original 'V' series featured 'visitors' who were secretly helping the human race. I do think all of this is complex...with several (or many) factions. The 'Lone Gunman' foretold 9/11 with eerie detail and accuracy...6 months before 9/11. Was this an Illuminati deception or what? All of this stuff is very weird. I'm creeped-out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26g18Dg7db4

    Who does Rupert Murdoch pledge allegiance to? THAT'S who owns the media.

    I tend to think that it's important to keep your friends close...and your enemies closer. Jesus told us to love our enemies. Does this include the Dracs? I keep suggesting that everyone (human and non-human) should choose Constitutional Responsible Freedom...and play nice and fair.

    I'm presently trying to understand the whole phenomenon which we are in the middle of...both the light and dark sides of it. I'm trying to think through the 'War in Heaven' and what the issues really were (and are). I'm starting to think that the whole universe is $crewed-up...and that just about everyone is at fault.

    Regarding the factions: a member of the Mafia can survive a police shoot-out...only to get whacked by another gangster. Constructive Competition would be a good place to start for these rival factions. I doubt that's what they're presently doing. The rival factions should support the establishment of Consitutional Responsible Freedom in this solar system...and then go back to competing with each other...Constructively.

    I'm looking for a negotiated settlement of some type...where humanity rules humanity throughout the solar system...and that benevolent non-humans live throughout the solar system as guests of humanity. That may sound arrogant...but it is actually paranoid. I presently think that the only way for humanity to be secure in this solar system is to control the solar system through self-rule...and interact with non-humans in a very open yet cautious manner. Trojan Horse scenarios keep me awake at night.

    I'm doubtless repetitious...and once again I don't know the true state of affairs throughout the solar system. I can conceptualize business deals with the Dracs (and Annunaki, Sirians, etc.)...but I cannot conceptualize them ruling over humanity...even if that's what they're presently doing. That is clearly unacceptable. No No

    I think the bad-guys are still here. We still need a solar system exorcism. Perhaps we need a universe exorcism...to exorcize an evil parallel universe which is superimposed upon our universe. This is my latest wild theory! But just 'cause it's wild...doesn't mean it isn't true! I need to clarify whether aliens are evil demonic entities...or whether they are our brothers (as the Vatican has told us).

    When the Vatican publicly and enthusiastically condemns Lucifer/Satan/Caligastia...publicly and enthusiastically praises the Teachings of Jesus and the U.S. Constitution...rejects the Eucharistic Liturgy centered in blood, death, and human sacrifice...exposes and rejects the Reptilian/Grey agenda...breaks all ties with the City of London and corrupt banking and finance...uses it's accumulated wealth to end world hunger...etc, etc, etc...then I will probably conclude that the bad-guys are gone. The Devil made us do it...may be a legitimate defense for the Vatican. I don't hate them. I don't think they have been running the show. I could be wrong...of course.

    [quote=Christo888;177979]OrthoOxy you say the coolest things!!! That explains my dream this morning... I recognized the Earth as an overlaid mirage appearing as reality, a Twin, and just before waking up I was trying to remember the mechanics of disconnecting the fake hologram!... If that makes sense?

    It has been written somewhere(?) that ET's can produce Holograms at a rate of 144,000 cps, which makes an object or 'scene' appear real and can be interacted with as if it were real!:shocked:[/quote]

    Think holograms, time-travel, time-space, superimposed parallel universes. Keep trying out different combinations of these words and concepts. There could be a synchronicity here with my thread http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16995 and your dream! Figuring out how to disconnect the fake hologram may save us all! Phil Corso, Jr. said at the 2004 XCon http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3131453436857082051# that disclosure has not occured because of time-travel...and that UFO's are time-travel devices...I believe. John Lear seems to know a lot about holograms. Alex Collier has said quite a bit about holograms. What is the missing-link in this unified-universe theory?! Figure this out folks! One of you might save the world...and win a Noble Prize!

    Would any of you like to be someone who is truly on the inside of managing the alien presence...and who is one of the big-picture people who collects all of the highly classified compartmentalized information...and who makes top-level decisions regarding how to proceed? I wouldn't. I don't envy them one bit.

    Unrelatedly (or perhaps relatedly?) I am feeling a continual low-grade vibration where I live...and I don't live next to a busy road, industrial area, in a tall building, or in a city. It almost feels like some type of tunneling activity. Who knows what evil lurks beneath our feet. Maybe we won't have to wait long to find out. The horror.

    Thank-you Christo888! The banksters are going to steal the fiat-money they stole from us! Bonnie and Clyde would blush!

    I found this in Wikipedia. Could this have something to do with that which is brewing?

    Gnostic Neo-Nazis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldebaran
    An esoteric neo-Nazi sect headquartered in Vienna, Austria called the Tempelhofgesellschaft, founded in the early 1990s, teaches a form of Gnosticism called Marcionism[citation needed]. They distribute pamphlets claiming that the Aryan race originally came to Atlantis from the star Aldebaran (this information is supposedly based on "ancient Sumerian manuscripts"). They maintain that the Aryans from Aldebaran derive their power from the vril energy of the Black Sun. They teach that since the Aryan race is of extraterrestrial origin it has a divine mission to dominate all the other races. It is believed by adherents of this religion that an enormous space fleet is on its way to Earth from Aldebaran which, when it arrives, will join forces with the Nazi Flying Saucers from Antarctica to establish the Western Imperium. [8]

    The Aldebarans are supposedly renegade Pleiadians. Did they thumb their noses at the Pleiadian Powers That Be...and make deals with the Devil aka Draconians...to obtain Technology and Spiritual Power? Was the Pleiades really Heaven? Was the Person In Charge really God. Was Lucifer a Pleiadian who tried to get a better deal by dealing with the Dracs? Did this result in the famous War in Heaven? Did Lucifer drag one third of the Pleiadians to Aldebaran...then to Sirius...and finally to Earth? Are we all Fallen Angels? Is this why Lucifer is the God of This World? Some say Lucifer is no more...but I doubt this. Is Aldebaran still renegade Pleiadian presently? Is Sirius A and Arcturus completely unfallen Pleiadian presently? Is Sirius B and Earth in Sirius trouble? Is a final battle brewing to settle this thing once and for all?

    Or...is the whole Universe under Draconian control...including the Pleiades? Did the God in the Pleiades keep this a secret to make a bad situation seem like Heaven? Did Lucifer smell a rat...and try to fight fire with fire...hoping to get technology and spirituality from the Dracs...and then turn on them? Could the final phase of this be happening presently? Is that what's brewing? Are Sirius B and Earth engaged in a rebellion against the Dracs which must be crushed? Will the Empire strike back?

    I don't know who the good-guys and who the bad-guys are anymore. Do you?

    I'm fascinated by the subject of aliens/ufo's/spirits...but I sort of like to think of isolated incidents involving one or two aliens/ufo's/spirits...not a huge fleet. In a sense...I hope this is bs. But I sense that something is really occurring. If your numbers are correct 3Tone...I just hope they're the good-guys. I keep thinking about "V".

    That video was stunning! How would someone fake that? Do we have the technology to fake something like that? The video reminded me of the Maury Island Incident. Could this event have been related to the Kenneth Arnold/Mt. Ranier "Flying Saucer" Incident...and to the Roswell Crash?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRwVpLK86ko&feature=PlayList&p=B42A23650411EE0F&index=0&playnext=1YouTube - UFO Incident before ROSWELL Part 1 of 5

    Did any of you who frequent this thread watch the first episode of "V"? If so...what did you think? Is a similar scenario possible in our future? Or...are we in the middle of a "V" scenario right now? Could the show dovetail with an appearance by all the craft which supposedly surround Earth presently? Will Obama disclose soon? Are the ET's here to perform a Solar System Exorcism? Or...are they here to clamp down on us rebels who seem to crave freedom?

    Question: What is a Visitor Mothership called?
    Answer: V-mama!

    My line in the sand is Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the U.S. Constitutiton and Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System. A Theocracy (Human or Otherwise) will not be tolerated.

    Give Me Liberty...Or Give Me Death. Better Dead Than Rep.

    But just in case...I'm stocking up on lube...and practicing kneeling.

    I think that both the 1983 and 2009 "V" series should be taken seriously. Who knows what kind of mothers are in those motherships? They might be the ones my mother warned me about. http://abc.go.com/watch/v/240273/240461?i=1&aff=&al=&aa=&partner=comcast&pc=1073&pl=http%3A//ll.static.abc.com/streaming/images/player/mainlogos/abc_on_fancast_logo.png

    Any clue as to what the visitor's philosophical, theological, and political views are? I certainly hope they're sympathetic to Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. I hope they're preparing to execute a Solar System Exorcism. It might be a good time to 'get right' with Jesus.

    Somebody must have called Galactic Ghostbusters, Inc. The bill is probably going to be astronomical. Perhaps the banksters are going to have to pay...BIG TIME.

    Actually...I hope they remove a lot of the technology...which we are not morally capable of handling. I hope they remove the really bad-guys (both human and otherwise) and help us establish a constitutional solar system government which guarantees responsible freedom for everyone. Then...I hope they trust us enough to leave us...and allow us to rule ourselves...and just stop by to visit once in a while.

    3Tone...what is your degree of certainty regarding what you are reporting? I want to believe...and I don't want to believe. I don't know who or what to believe anymore.

    [quote=Swanny;188185]Yea they might have a special hold that can easily fit 10 Billion people in :thumb_yello:
    Or maybe they will just liquidise us all :bond: and then suck us up with a big straw[/quote]

    Perhaps they'll vaccinate us...then chip us (don't chip me bro!)...then put us on the trains...then put us in the camps...then put us in their spaceships...then put us in camps on their planets...then liquidize us...and then suck us up with big straws. They might really suck. The horror. No No:lightsabre:

    [quote=iainl140285;188337]Hey Tone3 - can you ask if there ae any German speaking humans up there?[/quote]

    Any Aryans from Aldebaran, Sirius, Mars, Earth, and the Moon up there?

    Off-world activation of the Stargate! Incoming! Close the Iris! Three Minute Autodestruct Activated! OMG! That was loud! That had to hurt! Stand down! Disengage Autodestruct!

    Seriously...this is probably playing with fire...Big Time. On the other hand...if your enemy is into this stuff...can you compete by steering clear? Is this how Draconian/Human Theocracies get started throughout the universe? You know...if you can't beat 'em...join 'em. Perhaps we need a Solar System Exorcism to reverse this activity...and then keep the door shut tight! Of course...there are exceptions to every rule! (viewer discretion advised) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-z54EP0EhM&feature=fvwYouTube- Sexy Cyborg!

    To Nibiru, The Galactic Federation (or equivalent), The Andromedan Council (or equivalent), and All Ships Presently Surrounding Earth:

    Please respect the concept of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom throughout this Solar System. Please remove all hardcore, unrepentant malevolent beings (human and otherwise)...from this Solar System...but do not harm them. Please remove all extermination technology (which are not absolutely required to defend Earth and which we are not morally capable of handling)...from this Solar System.

    Thank-you in advance.

    Has anyone thought about the possibility of the Nibiruans embracing Responsible Freedom...and becoming a permanent part of our Solar System...with Nibiru in a more circular orbit beyond Pluto? Could they protect this Solar System? Or would this just be a Trojan Horse situation...where they would eventually just enslave or exterminate us? I don't know who to believe or what to think about any of this...and it's driving me more nuts than I already was. I spent several hours watching Bloomberg today...and came to the conclusion that focusing on the financial markets and personalities is much more conducive to mental and financial health...than focusing on ET's and Solar System Governance. I want things to work out well for everyone...but I'm tired of things not making sense...fighting an uphill and losing battle...and never really being happy. Regardless of what happens...I'm not sure if we would ever really be happy or appreciative of our situation. If things worked out as I would like them to...would I be happy then? Probably not. There'd be something else to bi+ch about. Sometimes I think that I don't really want a solution...I just want to bi+ch. Perhaps I should just shut-up...and try to make money...for a change. They say that money can't buy happiness...but maybe I should try. Actually...living in some stupid dreamworld...is probably the shortest and quickest road to utopia. Ignorance is bliss. Perhaps we can learn to be happy with our servitude under a New World Order Theocracy. Big ET Brother might not be so bad after all...especially if we do exactly as we're told...and never ask any questions.

    How does Nibiru fit into all of this? Could Nibiru be converted from malevolent to benevolent? Or would this be impossible? In an all-out war between malevolents and benevolents...who would win...and at what cost? Should we try to win the malevolents over...without firing a shot? Or...once again...is this impossible? Is Nibiru working for the Pleiadians...or are the Pleiadians working for the Nibiruans? Or neither?

    There are a couple of people who I think know more than they let on...and they seemed rather unhappy in the last few days. Has something happened? I'm afraid to ask. Is reconciliation talk viewed as being a sell-out...or as being an abdication of sovereignty? Is triumphalistic total-victory what all factions desire? Are extermination and enslavement scenarios operational at this time? If so...what would it take to defuse this stupid time-bomb?

    Are all of these motherships filled with mothers? Or...are all of these motherships here to beam-up all the mothers on Earth...and to remove them from the Solar System? Do we need extermination technology to defend ourselves...or would we just use it to exterminate ourselves? I obviously want us to be protected...but if we destroy ourselves with our own protective devices...what kind of protection is that? What scenario would make us the most responsibly free and the most safe? Would a perimeter of protection surrounding our Solar System be necessary and feasible? Does Dr. Carol Rosin still oppose the weaponization of space? Did Dr. Werner Von Braun wish for invading spacecraft from Aldebaran and Sirius B to experience no significant opposition?

    Who is controlling who...and what are the hidden agendas?

    So many questions. So few answers. Is there really any intelligent life out there? The lights are on...but nobody seems to be home. Hmmmmmm

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