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    Post  Guest Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:58 am

    Here are the links to my threads on AV1 and MOA. I included them here because they are really an ongoing research project. I'm trying to change myself - and I am trying to encourage others to think in unconventional yet productive ways. This is a unique approach - which may make it of some value to someone somewhere or somewhen. This thread is an experiment (aren't they all?)...which includes mostly threads based on videos...or threads which contain many video links...which I have started. I'm not particularly bright or noteworthy...but the videos which I have viewed...especially when viewed as a group...are earth shattering to me. The threads are a healthy mixture of problems and solutions. If you have the time...which is doubtful...please look at all of these threads...and look for commonalities. There is a bit of a theological slant...but certainly not an orthodox or Bible thumping slant. Prepare to be shocked...to cry...to get mad...to be enlightened...and to experience the Eureka Phenomenon!

    I would love to read a twenty page critique of all of these threads - written by a Jesuit or a CIA analyst - complete with a psychological evaluation, etc. I'm very serious. I don't need to be right. I just don't feel as though anyone has seriously considered these threads. They were designed to make people think - and then to arrive at their own conclusions - but I don't think that happened at all. I honestly feel as though Gabriel, Michael, Lucifer, and a couple of alphabet agents and Jesuits are the only ones who looked at this material with a penetrating gaze. Even if I was very close to the mark - I wasn't a threat (I didn't try to be) - because no one seemed to pay much attention to any of it. I had hoped for some very detailed and passionate debating. The 'Amen Ra' thread seemed to generate the most interest (13,200 views and counting) - but I have no idea what the reactions were and are now that AV1 is closed to posting. I feel very empty and lost in all of this. I feel as though I wasted my time and energy - accomplishing nothing. I am making a renewed call for help - into the vast regions of space and cyberspace - to seriously look at this material as a group - and tell me what you think - positive or negative. Where are the scholars? Is there any intelligent life out there that isn't so high and mighty that they can't take a few hours to make a proper evaluation of all of this? Come down out of your ivory tower - I dare you! The water's warm. Come-on in! I'm waiting - but I'm not holding my breath. You important people with your degrees and badges have more important things to do - don't you? Like getting us into even more trouble than we're already in? Don't take what I just said too seriously. I am impatient and frustrated - and I'm simply taking my dissatisfaction with life out on those who don't deserve it. Life isn't fair - is it?

    1. God, Jesus, Satan, Lucifer, et al: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15014&highlight=orthodoxymoron

    2. Secrets of the Vatican: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13767&highlight=orthodoxymoron

    3. Tell Me Who I Am: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14402&highlight=orthodoxymoron

    4. Waco Revisited: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15185&highlight=orthodoxymoron

    5. Al Bielek - Philadelphia Experiment and Montauk Project: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14348&highlight=orthodoxymoron

    6. Xcon Potpurri: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14241&highlight=orthodoxymoron

    7. Kevin Trudeau with Alex Jones - 5-26-09: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14241&highlight=orthodoxymoron

    8. Red Letter Church: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13495&highlight=orthodoxymoron

    9. Reptilians and Mind Control: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13373&highlight=orthodoxymoron

    10. 'V' Movie(Series) Revisited: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13202&highlight=orthodoxymoron

    11. Jesus: The Last Pharaoh?: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13776&highlight=orthodoxymoron

    12. Important Mass Manipulation Video: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=12702&highlight=orthodoxymoron

    13. 1990's Prophets: Vindicated or Debunked?: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11000&highlight=orthodoxymoron

    14. Alien Advice: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10158&highlight=orthodoxymoron

    15. Cool Music Videos: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15470&highlight=cool+music+videos

    16. NASA: Triumph and Tragedy: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15618&highlight=tragedy+triumph

    17. United Nations Charter: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15552&highlight=Shadow+moon

    18. In the Shadow of the Moon: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15635&highlight=Shadow+moon

    19. TWA 800 Revisited: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15187

    20. Unique War Video: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14409

    21. Bilderberg Video: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=12970

    22. Dogon Sirius Mystery - C2C: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15731&highlight=dogon

    23. The Point: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=158238#post158238

    24. The Washington Mutual Story: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13996&highlight=washington+mutual+story

    25. Oklahoma City Bombing Revisited: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=158668#post158668

    26. The United States of the Solar System: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878

    27. What is Giza Intelligence? http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11123&highlight=giza+intelligence

    28. Called to Be Free - a Video: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13882&highlight=worldwide+church

    29. Lucifer: Deity of the Elite: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=163179#post163179

    30. Tesla: Master of Lightning: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16193

    31. Secret Mysteries of America's Beginnings: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=165729#post165729

    32. The Dulce Book: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=167075#post167075

    33. New World Order: Devil in the Vatican: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=167745#post167745

    34. The Lucifer Effect: Understanding How Good People Turn Evil: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16609&highlight=lucifer+effect

    35. Enron Video: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=175040#post175040

    36. No End In Sight: Iraq War Documentary: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16897

    37. Ted Gunderson Interviews Chip Tatum (CIA, Drugs, Etc.): http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=177127#post177127

    38. Sirius Issues: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=178234#post178234

    39. Superimposed Parallel Universes: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=178255#post178255

    40. Lawyerese Goes Galactic: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17276&highlight=wall+street+journal

    41. Stargate SG-1: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17834

    42. Amen Ra: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18223

    43. The Dark Side of the Moon Mission: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18273&highlight=moon+video+orthodoxymoron

    44. Open Letter to the Beings of the Universe: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19065&highlight=open+letter+beings+universe

    45. Moonraker: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19284

    46. Who Are Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer? http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19376&highlight=gabriel%2C+michael%2C+lucifer%3F

    47. Krlll: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=238849#post238849

    48. Cartoon Aliens: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20141&highlight=cartoon+aliens

    49. Thuban Thoughts: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20379

    50. Thuban Thoughts II: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20963

    51. Very Cool Short Videos: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20400&highlight=cool+short+videos

    52. Violent Movies, Books, Games, Cartoons, and Toys: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20849

    53. Abortion, Euthanasia, Suicide, and Murder: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20852

    54. Prevention is Central to Healthcare: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=21143

    55. I Have a Dream! Free at Last! http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=261981#post261981

    orthodoxymoron threads from the Mists of Avalon:

    1. Who is Lucifer? What are they doing? http://www.themistsofavalon.net/universal-lounge-f8/who-is-lucifer-what-are-they-doing-t841.htm?highlight=lucifer

    2. United Nations + City States + Underground Bases + Secret Space Program = Secret Government? http://www.themistsofavalon.net/universal-lounge-f8/united-nations-city-states-underground-bases-secret-space-program-secret-government-t853.htm?highlight=secret+government

    3. Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System http://www.themistsofavalon.net/universal-lounge-f8/namaste-constitutional-responsible-freedom-solar-system-t918.htm#16374



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    Post  lindabaker Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:28 am

    Orthodoxy, I don't have a Phd. nor do I work for anybody right now. Well, except for my cats, and they are very demanding! Rolling Eyes

    I will rise to your challenge. However, this will take hours of reading and listening. If my intuition is correct, we will discover that yes, there are Luciferian forces and yes, they are on their way OUT of this part of the universe. I cannot base this on any facts or documentation. This is sheer female knowing. We are on the knife's edge, and have been for months. There may still be some hard lessons to come, and shortly. Whatever it takes, this era is coming to a close and we will see the end of the stranglehold that has been named religion. We can and we will stop the blind worshipping, and we will start living like we know the difference. Many great teachers have told us how to implement our freedom. Now, we have to strip away all of the garbage that has been attached to the teachings. Some of the garbage has been deliberately put in place, and some has been just human nature: the penchant for sheer idolatry. It's over, shortly. Look forward, not back. That's the only way out of the tunnel. Your rightful place in the spirit of the Christ is obvious. Don't look back...
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    Post  Carol Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:37 am

    This is truly a much appreciated gift you have shared with us orthodoxymoron. We are both enriched and blessed by your presence. Thank you.


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    Post  Guest Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:12 am

    Thank-you Carol and Linda. I may have been a bit harsh, self-pitying, and self-centered in that introduction. Lots of very bright people did participate on those threads - and I didn't have to pay them. The top people with top clearances, degrees and badges probably don't dare open-up on the internet - and for good reason. Many of them may have had to sell their souls to you know who, to get where they are. The higher up one goes (especially regarding the subjects in question) the more controlled and watched one may become. I have attended so many classes which involved people with doctorate degrees - discussing this and that - especially theological issues - that I know what a high tension academic discussion feels like - and I have extrapolated to know what a behind closed doors academic discussion would feel like - and I crave this. Of course - if I got what I wanted - I probably still wouldn't be happy!
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    Post  lindabaker Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:56 pm

    Ah, typical me! I spoke too soon, ha ha. I said I'd look at your links, but, brother, that's a life time of work and information. I'm not backing off, interest wise, but good gravy you have assembled a boat load of info for us! Whew!
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    Post  Guest Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:49 am

    Thank-you for your interest. Dogs have owners. Cats have staff. I'm just trying to put together something which is neither traditional religion or new age. I lost my faith - and I'm trying to establish a new faith. I keep thinking I need to stop - but then I keep thinking that if we don't arrive at a proper understanding regarding all of this - that the long term consequences will be devastating. I really shouldn't have been so brash regarding top people with top clearances. I have no idea what they have to deal with. I'm just frustrated and impatient. I'm flying blind - and I have no idea if I'm helping or hurting legitimate efforts to save the world - and make it a better place. I'm almost feeling as though I'm trying to partner (uninvited) with the best aspects of the secret government - so as to edge out the worst aspects. I don't wish to be a crusading rebel without a clue - and I don't wish to be a dumb dog who will not bark. It seems to me that it will take an almost superhuman effort to really get this right.
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    Post  lindabaker Fri Sep 10, 2010 4:28 am

    I think that everyone goes through this angst, but the level of anxiety it produces depends on many factors. First, intelligence, then education, curiosity, and perseverance of interest (diligence), and time allowed for inquiry. You have them all, so you are poised to do the most "work" if it is in your will to do so. We will all benefit from your research. When you said you have lost your faith, does that mean you have lost your religion? Does this mean you have lost your connection with Great Spirit as well? I'm sure you know they are not necessarily connected. The connection to the Great Spirit, or Holy Spirit, can be highly elusive if you chase it from an intellectual approach. I'm sure you know this already. Sometimes I write for others to see as well, so please don't be insulted when I state the obvious. This is a subject I have studied for 42 years. I studied philosophy and comparative religions until they told me to graduate or get out! So, my heart resonates with your quest. Speaking of the heart, that was my key to some extraordinary experiences, mystical ones. What I would like to hear from you are some writings based on what it was like for you to lose religion, what parts of the teachings you still hold in your heart, and what pi88ed you off the most when you realized that the teachings of the Christ have been hijacked by the ones I won't name...

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    Post  Carol Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:58 am

    I too resonate with what you're sharing linda as I gave up on religion at age 16, however I still participated in mass and other "spiritual practices" throughout my life as I've never lost my faith in the Divine nor in the potential of the human spirit. I just have very little tolerance for any type of political structure, as it is my understanding that we are meant to be free. I view these various forms of structures as various types of imprisonment where one is punished, embarrassed or humiliated if they don't conform to the dogma. Becoming and staying free of dogma is a worthy goal in life. I do understand that one may need training wheels, a structure, while they learn how to move on their own steam, but after that the structure/training wheels need to be removed.

    However, I can also get behind oxy here with respect to how individuals sell their souls the higher up they get within various infra-structures including politics, religion, education, military, medical/drug cartels, insurance - you name it if there is a buck to be made and one has replaced god with the "almighty" dollar then life goes downhill as compared to moving forward.

    There are so many rules and new laws that it soon will become illegal to sneeze.

    We, as the human collective, are in the Kali Yuga phase of spiritual evolution. Basically the elephant is standing on one leg that is collapsing. Civilization as we know it is collapsing along with our environment. I for one actually am looking forward to the galactic wave that is to usher in a new golden era. Basically, humanity is at it's ebb with the least amount of spiritual energy available to mankind and the dark forces are pushing their agenda which is to capture every soul that they can get to feed off of.

    I remember one summer in Italy at the Leaning tower of Pisa. Next to the tower was a long rectangular building and at the end of one wall, painted on what I recall was the entire wall was a fresco. Seeing that painting left an indelible imprint in my mind. On the wall was depicted the scene of demons and angels in the midst of a battle over human souls with demons carrying screaming humans downwards and angels had hold of humans carrying them upwards. As I see it this is where we are at now. Before the galactic super wave comes people are free to choose their destiny.

    I just had this very wild thought. One would think that those who choose the almighty “dollar” as god are also the souls who will be collected by demons and taken into more cycles of death and rebirth whereas those who truly are individuals of faith in the goodness of life and the Divine are freed.

    I suspect that when the galactic wave crosses each individual will have a life review and also have a direct experience of the Divine. At that moment they will also self-select themselves out as to what direction they will move in spiritually. I also think from a spiritual perspective each individual is on a path of evolution, however, before some individuals can evolve they must de-evolve and lose those qualities that are incompatible with moving in a forward direction on the spiritual path.

    I guess when I look at the possibility of something like a galactic wave headed our way, there is a place inside of me that is rooting and cheering, yelling “Bring it on, baby. Bring it on.”

    I’ve also noticed something else of late and that is this. It seems to me those people who are wedded to the “almighty” dollar seem to be the ones most afraid of death. Whereas, those individuals who have faith in the “almighty” Divine are not.

    I suppose I could go on for quite a bit on this thought as it branches out in many directions but will hold it for now.

    I do understand your losing faith Oxy, as I’ve lost complete faith in various political systems due to the fact that too many individuals become petty tyrants once they get into positions of power. It doesn’t matter if it is a probation officer, a judge, or administrator of one sort or another. I see this happen daily and am deeply discouraged.

    I’d also like to add something personal here as well. There were people who expressed their dislike of my being in a forum administrator role and were afraid I would be a power hungry tyrant going after someone I didn’t like or whatever. Yet, that isn’t what happened, is it? You see, I’ve been in positions of power as an Executive Director and Manager. The biggest gift that came out of that is power is meant to be shared by everyone. And so it is here in Mists. When given power, the gift is to give it back and not allow it to corrupt one’s soul. The goal is to empower everyone to do the right action by the collective.


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    Post  Guest Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:52 am

    Thank-you Linda and Carol for your very thoughtful comments. Have either of you studied comparative gods, goddesses, theologies, and mythologies - rather than simply comparative religions? I'm leaning toward Humanist Christocentric Egyptological Science Fiction to try to salvage my shattered faith. Most people stop studying theology when they lose their faith. People should study theology twice as much after they lose their faith! I'm actually more angry with myself than I am with anyone else. I guess I have the most problems with the extremes and absurdities. History is a mess. Something has been very wrong. I actually would welcome an ideal world and solar system government which operates like a well-run corporation (with the U.S. Constitution and Teachings of Jesus at it's core). On the one hand - I rail against the corrupt and incompetent powers that be. On the other hand - I rail against the stupid general public sheeple. I'm actually trying to redesign world and solar system government - and imagine myself as being an active participant in it. I just started a novel to that effect. And I just gave up on proceding with this novel. The first page scared the heck out of me. This is all a big cause and effect game. Life is a game. The Most Dangerous Game. We are all players in the Game of the Millenium. We are all actors and actresses on the stage of the Theater of the Universe. I'm really trying to figure out who the *&%$#! script-writer is.
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    Post  Guest Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:19 am

    I'm not going to keep commenting on my own threads to try to generate interest. The ball is in your court. There are some other threads I wish to follow - but I think I'm done with my threads for the foreseeable future. This does not imply a lack of interest or a change of heart. I just don't wish to play the part of the crusader. I might try to visit the United Nations, Washington D.C., the City of London, and the Vatican once again (I visited them many years ago). I will continue to fantasize about being a part of a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System which includes the U.N., Washington D.C., the City of London, the Vatican, the Underground Bases, and the Secret Space Program - except that in my dreamworld there is no secrecy or corruption. Once again - I don't wish to fight the New World Order - I wish to HI-JACK IT!! 'Take me to Nirvana!!' I'd love to put the dream into practice - but I'm not going to push it right now. If someone wants to pick me up in a UFO, and take me to the Darkside of the Moon to meet with Lucifer - I'll be ready to go at a moments notice. What am I saying?

    Are Satan, Lucifer, the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, the Royal Family, and the Vatican the biggest seed-money rock stars on the planet - who are doing the most to make the world a better place? Trickle down theory voodoo economics? Where are the Billionaire Ghandi's? Jesus was pretty tough on rich people. Are billionaires the most socially responsible people on the planet? Did they gain their money through socially responsible activities? Can wealth become anticompetitive at some point? Should those with the most money have the greatest political clout? Should those with the gold - RULE? One of the greatest tragedies of history is the non compassionate use of accumulated wealth. I know that a lot of contactees and gurus are opposed to money - but I disagree. Money and private property are expressions of freedom. The problem with money is the irresponsible pursuit and use of money. Perhaps the billionaires should be placed under the scanning electron microscope to look for illegality and irresponsibility. Blood Money, Drug Money, and Destructive Money of All Kinds - should be repaid to society - with interest and penalties. I'm also not a big fan of ET Mentoring. Have the Gods, Goddesses, Angels, Archangels, ET's, and Ascended Masters been promoting Responsibility, Freedom, and Human Sovereignty (other than the Andromedans)? Boy - I sure got a lot out of my system - and I didn't even feel hostile. It must've been something I ate - or maybe the devil made me do it.

    Having said all of the above - I'm getting tired of being an internet warrior. It seems to be a monumental waste of time. Remember what Jesus said about pearls and such? Money Talks and BS Walks. The Bottom Line is the Bottom Line. Winning Isn't Everything. It's the Only Thing. Perhaps the secret is to be a Humanitarian on the Surface - and a Shrewd and Ruthless SOB Below the Radar. Could the Worship of Fame, Fortune, and Power - rather than the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit - help to explain why the Corrupt Rule the Stupid? Is Greed Good? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7upG01-XWbY

    I need to go for a long walk with my dog - and then perhaps I need to create a ten-year business plan. Who knows - in ten years I might have to change my tune and eat my words...

    OK...I'm back from my walk...and I decided that the Corrupt Will Always Rule the Stupid - because both the Corrupt and the Stupid are happy with the arrangement - despite all outward appearances. Additionally - Both the Corrupt and the Stupid are Threatened by Non-Corrupt Highly Intelligent People - and will Fight Them Vigorously. Think about THAT... Perhaps this is why no one has REALLY followed the Red Letter Teachings of Jesus for 2,000 years - and why they probably never will... Narrow is the way. Read Revelation 20:12. Is December 21, 2012 really Judgement Day?

    I'm on the verge of pusuing a business plan which is neither corrupt or stupid - and which will be executed in a manner which threatens neither the corrupt or the stupid. I may simply live a life of quiet decadence...and leave the corrupt and the stupid to their own devices...

    When Avalon 1 was closed to posting - I decided not to participate in any other forum sites (including Avalon 2) - so I just posted on YouTube. I really enjoyed posting on a wide variety of videos - not just on the esoteric or controversial ones. Now that I'm back on a forum site - I see the strengths and weaknesses of such an approach. There is a HUGE amount of information and insight on Avalon 1 & 2, and Mists of Avalon - but the participants can get into a rut - and can even become desensitized and irritable. I just decided not to post more threads, or add to the ones I have already posted. Preaching to the choir is a major reason for this. I'll probably keep looking at Avalon and Mists of Avalon - and I may post on someone elses thread once in a while - but I'm going to spend a lot more time on business and on getting out in nature. Growing food, buying organic food, being vegetarian, eating raw food, exercising in nature, seeing a naturopathic physician, and listening to inspiring music - are excellent ways to cultivate physical, mental, and spiritual health. Too much esoteric, conspiracy, religious, and political info-warring (on the internet or otherwise) is probably a recipe for disaster. Nuff said. Now I'm going for another walk with my dog.

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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:03 am

    I have freely admitted that I am emotionally-challenged, intellectually-limited, and a perpetual-speculator - but have I seriously gotten it wrong over the past couple of years? This madness is an ongoing-test and a paradigm-shift. I really don't know where I will ultimately end up - but I am concerned that alternative thinking seems to lack a common center. Like it or not - the major religions have a depth which comes from discipline, repetition, and sheer numbers. Perhaps this is why I am thinking of myself as sort of a Renegade Roman Catholic - even though I have never been one. I continue to try to harmonize the Teachings of Jesus, the U.S. Constitution, and the Latin Mass. My existence is a very strange one - and it seems to be getting stranger every day. I am also imagining myself to be a part of a Non-Corrupt and Completely-Open Solar System Government. When I finally end up in the nut-house - the shrinks are gonna go nucking futs!!

    I think I'm beginning to mellow a bit. I really don't wish to be shrill toward anyone - even toward the really b@d@$$ nasties - human or otherwise. But I still think we need a Solar System Exorcism of sorts - a Galactic Time-Out - for the worst of the worst. You b@$t@rds know who you are!!! Try watching the Star Wars movies with all of these threads in mind - especially regarding a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System aka The United States of the Solar System - based upon Responsibility and the U.S. Constitution. Again - this is a test. This is only a test.
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    Post  lindabaker Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:37 pm

    Orthodoxymoron: Where in the world did you find that pic for your avatar? Can you explain it? What is the black building that is depicted? Thank you.
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    lindabaker wrote:Orthodoxymoron: Where in the world did you find that pic for your avatar? Can you explain it? What is the black building that is depicted? Thank you.
    Hello linda. I hope I wasn't too shrill regarding billionaires. Your comment wasn't the target. I had wished to issue a rant on the topic for a long time - and that other thread was the 'opportunity'.

    The avatar is the work of an artist named Harry Anderson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Anderson_(artist) - and was probably painted in the 60's. It depicts Jesus Christ knocking on the United Nations (as a giant door) and attempting to gain admission. "Behold - I stand at the door, and knock." From what I have seen - Jesus is still knocking - and U.N. troops may be on the way to deal with the 'threat'! Here is some more of Harry Anderson's art: http://www.goodsalt.com/search/results.html?&keyword1=results&search_terms=harry%20anderson&image_x=0&image_y=0&ipp=30
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    Post  Carol Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:12 am

    Oxy, I need to let you know just how much I appreciate you and your thoughtful threads. Since I've just returned home I will be having more time on the Internet to explore what you have here. Right now I just finished editing Paola Harris's new book on Stargates and Time Travel, some of which the two of us went over in one of the threads you had posted at MOA.

    As both of these are going to be themes in the scifi books..(a series) having all of these links are great. I really think putting this information together in an entertaining format will get the word out and hopefully work toward the 100th monkey effect.

    I was just reading about SeaGates when the dots started connecting because of something an abductee told me that related to that. Do you remember how the military were doing hybrid work... pulling in dolphin DNA with human DNA? My friend was actually there and a part of that experiment.. with recall. I learned of this before ever seeing any of it in writing. Now can you imagine the evolution of humankind.. hybrid people that had inherited dolphin characteristics which included special abilities such as advanced telepathy, multi-dimensional capabilities and echo location abilities. This stuff is real.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:18 am

    Carol, your post completely caught me off guard, and blew me away! Thank-you for the appreciation, and thank-you for the hybridization information. All types of technology have the potential for good or evil - but I keep getting the feeling that technology is out of control - and that secret laboratories are spawning all types of very dangerous products of technology. How should technology be properly managed throughout the solar system? And yes, if the entire solar system is not covered - some very horrible experimentation might be proceeding unchecked on Phobos or Iapetus. My internet posting is really catharsis. What worries me is that most people don't have the time or energy to really sift through all of the conflicting and confusing information - and that they won't be able handle what we are presently discussing. Heck - couples fight over how toothpaste gets squeezed out! People look out of it and dazed as it is. I work with the public every day, and half the people barely make eye contact with me. I'm sensing an insensitivity and lostness which will make it very difficult for the general public to understand and cope with what's been going on under our noses, over our heads, and under our feet - for a very long time - seemingly using tax money, drug money, and even blood money.

    You mentioned Paola Harris, and I immediately thought of Col. Philip Corso, and I watched part of one of Paola's lectures, and noted that Col. Corso was Head of Intelligence (U.S) in Rome, from 1944-47 (and was heavily involved in Project Paperclip, if I'm not mistaken). I'm presently leaning toward the theory that Roswell 1947 and Muroc 1954 were staged by the Secret Government and Secret Space Program, of which Project Paperclip was no doubt an integral part. I suspect that real UFO's and PGLF's or Hybrids were used - but that they originated from Earth Underground Bases rather than Distant Stars or Planets. Underground Bases, Hybridization Programs, Ancient UFO Technology, and Occult Wisdom and Spirituality - going back thousands of years - may explain most of the Alien and UFO phenomenon. That's my theory - and I'm sticking to it - at least for now. Have there been any recent interviews or books by Philip Corso, Jr.? He seems to know a heck of a lot - but seems reluctant to really open up - for understandable reasons.

    Once again - I'm trying to imagine being on the inside of a non-corrupt solar system government - as a mechanism for dealing with the historical madness and this present darkness. If the ideal and the reality can gradually be brought closer together - we might actually survive - and emerge as a model solar system. Hope springs eternal. I'm trying to imagine living inside of the United Nations, Washington D.C., the City of London, the Vatican, the Secret Government, the Secret Space Program, and the Underground Bases - throughout the solar system - as sort of an observer and facilitator - obviously in a delusional dreamworld. "Mr. Smith Goes to the Darkside of the Moon!" Perhaps this is a coping mechanism. I think I'm going to start reading the CFR journal 'Foreign Affairs' again - just to foster a creative link between little old me - and Megalomaniacs Anonymous. I want to try to be a non-corrupt 'One of Them' - rather than fighting with the PTB from the 'outside'. This is very tricky territory, and if it isn't done properly, I could see someone going downhill in a great big hurry. My preoccupation with an 'Anna', 'Kali', or 'Lucifer' character, who rules over all of us, might be an indication that I'm picking up speed on the slippery slope to perdition. The horror...
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    Post  Carol Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:14 am

    Oxy, I just read a new interview that Paola did of two people who were there at Roswell. The space craft was between the radio tower and a lighting strike took it out. The ship did crash and the fiber optics (or what looked like fibre optics) was are burnt. They saw the aliens (were about 200 feet from them) and also managed to get some memory metal and pieces of the ship the next day that they still have and that Paola saw. The interview was 57 pages long and very detailed. It will be coming out in Paola's new book Stargates and TimeTravel in January. Corso was a close personal friend of Paolas and she was the one that got his book published in Italy because he couldn't do it in the US. So he shared a lot of information with her much of what is not published.

    Clones and hybrids exist from a variety of different off-worlders on this planet. As for the experimentation it is indeed military science run amuck. Who knows what the outcome of all of that will be. From all of the material (military interviews of those who worked in top secret programs, abductees and contactees..) earth is supposedly suppose to undergo some major earth changes. I think one of the reasons they were working with the dolphins is if a major EMP took out all electronics world-wide they would have telepathic communications available in key locations. Anyway... there are also alien/military efforts to block major earth changes as one report clearly revealed that they were working on it. So who knows? I don't.

    I've been researching all of the underwater alien bases for my book and came up with bases in the North and South Pole, off Argentina, the Bermuda Triangle has been there since Columbus who wrote about it in his log; there is another one of the coast of California next to Catalina Island where 200 disc ships, a armada was spotted emerging; then there are the ones Puerto Rico, another off the Florida Coast, the Bearing Straight, Italy, Russia, Norway, China, Santiago.. possible Hawaii and other sites as well. But the ones listed are confirmed from contactees, abductees, books and internet searches. I just got finished reading UFO Abduction from under the Sea which happened in 1979... so this has spanned over 500 years that we know of for sure. They also like those deep water trenches and I think there is another underwater base in Australia.

    With respect to Roswell there is conflicting info from different sources who were there. One military source said inside they found a swastika. Another, Corso thought that perhaps these aliens were from the future. Although from the description of the kids they described them as looking like praying mantis with long skinny skeletal arms, bug eyes, froggy face, squealing crying sound. Now think about this... how do you think humans are going to react to seeing bug like creatures who are more technologically advanced then they are. One of the stories I have from Roswell is a death bed confession of one of the military personnel. I tend to lean toward the kids as their description is very detailed. And then there was that one interview on Mel's site where one of the aliens reincarnated as a human woman and also gave a detail description of the crash that seemed to dovetail with the boys description.

    Also, saucers were already being used in WWII and spotted flying with German planes and their military already had a relationship with ET. Of course if you go into the Bieliek info and the Philadelphia experiment.. then one has to really look at that rip in space and time that lasted for 40 years and allowed the reptilians to get through into our dimension.

    I've talked with too many contactees and abductees not to accept the alien factor as a reality. It's taken me a lot of years to wrap my mind around this and get beyond the fear factor. If they really wanted to do something awful... in a big way they could have. For the most part they seem to want to help and then there is a small fraction who want to helps themselves at our expense. I do sense all of that will change as more and more people wake up... and of course I'm a firm believer in the 100th monkey effect. Consciousness is expanding.. just like a budding flower it cannot be stopped.



    With respect to the eye contact thingy... I go out of my way to make eye contact and smile. I also look for something to complement and get some really nice results.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:33 am

    Thank-you for your detailed and thoughtful reply. You have obviously done a huge amount of research. The alien reincarnating into a human story is fascinating because I am fixated on the hybridization theory of the alien presence - that we are really them - and they are really us. I ironically posted an internet page a couple of years ago, where I 'claimed' to be a human reincarnation of the alien KRLLL - and that I had gone turncoat - and sided with the human race. I received a very angry response from someone stating that I was claiming 'godship' and that I would be severely punished!! I don't doubt that ancient aliens came to Earth (possibly from Sirius and Aldebaran). We may be some of those aliens. What I am enamored with is the idea of a Lucifer/Shiva/Kali/Anna figure being in charge of Earth - lifetime after lifetime - possibly as a hermaphroditic hybrid goddess of sorts - with complete reincarnational recall, with 100% use of their brain capacity - unlimited access to possibly stolen ancient advanced technology and wisdom - and so on. Could such a hypothetical figure have created most of our mythologies and theologies - secretly ruling over us with deception and force? I'm not questioning that a very real event occurred at Roswell in 1947 - involving real otherworldly technology and beings. But I am considering that the Secret Government is the same one which has been ruling Earth for thousands of years - and controls the megalomaniacs we love to hate.

    Monday, February 18, 2008

    I am known to humans as KRLLL. I am known to humans as an alien. I have been living on Planet Earth since the middle of the twentieth century. My planet of origin is located in the Pleiades. It is known as Pleon. I bring peace and wisdom. There is another alien force on Planet Earth who is your master. This alien force is not your friend, and yet you obey. I bring liberation, and yet you do not listen. Time is running out. Change course or forever face enslavement.

    Here is something for you to consider:

    1. Evolution of Everything (Physical & Spiritual).

    2. Genetic Engineering & Rule by Good Aliens/Spirits (God) in the Garden of Eden (Ancient Earth). General Peace & Harmony.

    3. Attack/Deception/War of Evil Aliens/Spirits against the Good Aliens/Spirits/Humans. The Good Aliens/Spirits are driven from the Garden of Eden (Ancient Earth). Humanity made a mistake of Biblical proportions. Genesis reads a bit differently, doesn't it? But what makes more sense? The Reptillian Devil was in charge, which is why Genesis reads the way it does!

    4. Genetic Engineering & Rule by Evil Aliens/Spirits with Humans fighting with each other. Ancient religion emerges (Summarian, Egyptian, etc. - created by Evil Aliens/Spirits to control Humans).

    5. Moses & Others rebel against the Evil Aliens/Spirits/Religions with the help of Good Aliens/Spirits. The Bible (Old Testament) is a mixture of Good & Evil. One has to carefully read between the lines to figure out what is really going on. The truth had to be disguised. Some activity atributed to God is really evil and of Satanic origin. Atrocities and sacrifices are examples.

    6. Jesus intensifies the rebellion and establishes a condensed, non-corrupt version of the Old Testament religion promoted by Moses and Others. The Teachings of Jesus are generally ignored by the Christian Church for 2,000 years. Thus, the Evil Aliens/Spirits/Religions retain their control of Planet Earth.

    7. People finally do what Jesus said to do (they haven't so far), and the Battle of Armageddon results. Good Aliens/Spirits/People battle Evil Aliens/Spirits/People for control of Planet Earth.

    8. The Evil Aliens/Spirits/People are driven from Planet Earth and onto Nibiru, which becomes the Devil's Island Prison Planet of the Universe. The Good Aliens/Spirits/People gain total control of Planet Earth. This is the Garden of Eden regained, and what is known as Heaven or Paradise.

    Proceed wisely.

    KRLLL

    Here is the response I received on April 7, 2008:

    "You know this isn't funny! The Lord God will judge you for claiming God ship. Just because God showed you a little bit of His secrets you think you know everything. He will NOT have mercy on you!"

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    Post  Carol Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:35 pm

    Secret Government... not likely; secret club or group more like it but broken along two lines; pure hearts who operated from integrity and corrupted souls who operated from power and greed. The Merlin type tends to walk a dangerous path. To be frank, I do think that alien influence was here during the pryamid times where. I think more along the lines of priests of one sort or another, learned men who knew the secrets and used them for themselves. Ever since Cain and Able conflict there has been the issue of self-serving at all costs.

    That response to your Krill post is hysterical. I've thought some similar thought that you're sharing but with a different twist which is what I am using in by syfy book. There are two different tracks with this as one is more along with the research William Henry did with his book Blue Apples and the other reincarnation and recall.

    Blue Apples got me to thinking of stargate technology that was available to those in secret societies, the mystics in those time periods. I recall his writing about some type of blue crystal stones (blue apples) that one wore in order to travel far (into the multi-verse). Only the kicker (my imagination kicking in) was one had to be pure of heart to successfully travel through the portal or stargates. Otherwise, if ones vibrational frequency was dark, they would be vaporized if they attempted to use the apples without the proper purification rites... which involved years of spiritual practice, veggie diet, meditation, yoga... that sort of thing. One was trained to become a mystic and at the right time, when one had truly learned how to let go of ego an initiation took place in one of the chambers of the pyramids.

    However, the necklace of blue apples later ended up with the Knights Templar to guard in their secret chambers and from time to time an ascended being (not sure if this is a star being or an individual who actually transcended similar to Christ returns to re-enforce the spiritual element of why it is important to seek the god within. Anyway, i'm still exploring various ideas around this as I find it entertaining.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:44 pm

    Thank-you Carol. That reply would make me laugh - except that I have received several responses like that - which did not seem to be entirely human in nature. I am simply looking at the evidence regarding who runs the show in this solar system - and I am leaning toward a young, pretty, pigmented, female or hermaphroditic, and very possibly human/reptile hybrid - such as is represented in the 1983-85 and 2009-10 versions of 'V'. I do think that the male and female roles and mindsets are highly disfunctional (throughout history) - but this does not mean that either male or female human beings are evil. In a sense - I don't even think the Queen of Heaven is evil - just out of touch, and possibly insane - and in dire need of retirement (and a hot date perhaps). That's all.

    We might be surprised if we knew how deeply into the occult the leaders in science, religion, politics, literature, etc. really have been and are. I have my theories - but very little evidence - and very few believers. Oh ye of little faith! Perhaps I should tell people that they'll go to hell if they don't agree with me - and give me lots and lots of money!!!!!

    I want to make this perfectly clear - I do not wish misery, harm, or death to come to anyone - including Reptilians, Greys, Hybrids, Nephilim, Angels, Demons, Illuminati, Satan, Lucifer, Shiva, Kali, KRLLL, The Logos, The King or Queen of Whatever, The God or Goddess of Whatever, et al.

    I JUST WANT THE BS TO STOP!!! PEACE!!! BE STILL!!!

    If anyone hasn't watched the video series linked in the first post of this thread - PLEASE DO SO!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HWZlvPE888 It brings so many things together in an understandable manner. Stop the video - and read the fine-print. I think this video series is extremely important!

    At some point - I might like to work with all of those listed above - once I got used to them! What about that debate-date, Kali??? You must REALLY hate me...

    OK...a lot of people hate me. I have been blocked by several YouTube channels - including the poster of the video series upon which this thread is mostly based. ufohypothesis (Rick Keefe - who interviews Alex Collier) has blocked me. Another one - which is critical of the Roman Catholic Church - has blocked me. This is very, very odd - since I am mostly editorially on-board with the blockers!!! None of them told me a damn thing - so I have no idea why I have been blocked. Two of my websites have been taken over by someone I have never heard of - and one has been removed from the internet - even though I am paid-up for several years. I am very paranoid - and they probably really are out to get me. Strange world we live in.

    What's odd - is that I really and truly have no animosity toward anyone. Period. Although - to be honest - I am annoyed by just about everyone - especially myself. But I have no seething agenda or fecal list. I really and truly am seeking a big-tent solution - rather than something which is narrow and exclusive. It's an equal-opportunity big-tent for males, females, hermaphrodites, and all races - including aliens and hybrids! I think I'm probably way too accomodating and easy-going.

    Imagine Kali designing the churches. Imagine Kali composing the music. Imagine Kali as being Anna. Imagine Kali playing the music.

    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_X7SvvSgxM

    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFrKUk5lwmE&feature=related

    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCsnSXRpXug&NR=1

    4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmjpkvXbyII&feature=related

    Could this be representative of the 'good-side' of Kali? Was the Queen of Heaven in charge of the Music of Heaven? Get off your butt - and do some research. If I'm right about all of this - do I at least get a Cracker-Jack Prize?

    I guess I'm passively pursuing a 'Pinky and the Brain - Raiders of the Lost Ark - Temple of Doom - Lucifer/Shiva/Kali/Mary Hypothesis' which includes a good/genius side - and a bad/insane side. What did Spielberg know - and when did he know it? I find myself strangely attracted to the good side - and utterly disgusted and horrified by the bad side. I tend to think that if Lucifer/Shiva/Kali/Mary retired - that the bad side would go away - and that they could serve as an advisor rather than a dictator. You'd have to actually be me to understand where I'm coming from, and to see that which I visualize. I couldn't possibly put it into words.

    I just finished reading 'The Gospel of Mary of Magdala' by Karen King. The cover features a painting of a young-woman with a very dark complexion - dressed in scarlet - with a sun-disk around her head - pointing to an egg in her hand. Could this be Kali? Karen King thinks the Gospel of Mary might have been written in Egypt or Syria, with an authorship date of between 32 and 325 CE. Could Kali be the writer of most sacred texts - including the Bible and the Quran? Ralph Ellis claims that Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene were of a high class. Nicolas Notovich claimed that Jesus travelled to Tibet. Alex Collier claims that our creator (or genetic engineer) is more female than male (not sure which lecture - possibly 2002). He also claims that the Andromedans consider blacks to be genetically superior (I hope I got that one right! Not sure which lecture). In a 2002 lecture - Alex hints at a deliberate removal of the Pa Taal (spelling?).

    I think I'm going to give this thing a rest. I don't really wish to convince anyone of anything. This has mostly been a research project - in a very passive and informal sense. The Jesuits, Alphabet Agents, and World Leaders know exactly what's going on - and they obviously are not stumbling over each other to get to the microphone first - to tell all of us goyim the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. In a sense - I have mostly wished to communicate with Lucifer/Shiva/Kali/Mary and his/her willing and unwilling servants. I continue to desire a top-down reformation of how business is conducted in this solar system. Hope springs eternal - but I'm not holding my breath. Namaste.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:22 am

    I'm thinking that my AV1 and MOA threads - combined with my YouTube posting will ultimately benefit mostly myself. I know that sounds selfish - and it probably is - but trying to convince others to travel the same road that I am on is probably an exercise in futility. I am starting to go through my old threads - and I am enjoying this immensely. I didn't do market research - and then tell people what they wanted to hear, and give them what they wanted. Some of my areas of study, my questions and conclusions - are downright politically incorrect and blasphemous. At a later date - some of them could be outlawed as being hate speech. Who knows - I may eventually be arrested - or worse. When will the excrement really hit the air-conditioning system? Obedience can be a good thing. Obedience can be a bad thing. I will ultimately go along with anything which is reasonable and rational - even if it isn't my own idea. I have been trying to quietly influence the infowar. So far - this worldwide infowar has been a cold-war - and I hope that it will continue to be so - but judging from history - it may very well turn violent at some point. I suspect that infiltration and instigation will be used to get people all riled-up and running in the streets - again judging from history. Then the noose will be tightened to 'restore and maintain order'. I obviously support law and order - but the best way to control the masses is to teach them responsibility and self-control. Unfortunately - I don't see this being done. The Irresponsible are leading the Irresponsible. The Corrupt are ruling the Stupid. The Blind are leading the Blind. The Bland are leading the Bland. This is very, very sad...
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:49 pm

    I think I'm out of here once again. This is truly an exercise in futility. I'm going to stock up on food and supplies - and wait for the exrement to hit the blower. Perhaps these threads might do someone some good after the dust settles. Thank-you for your time and consideration. I will continue to drop by from time to time. Namaste.

    1. Amen Ra, et al http://www.themistsofavalon.net/universal-lounge-f8/amen-ra-et-al-t1116.htm

    2. Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System http://www.themistsofavalon.net/universal-lounge-f8/namaste-constitutional-responsible-freedom-solar-system-t918.htm

    3. Death and Taxes http://www.themistsofavalon.net/universal-lounge-f8/death-and-taxes-t1158.htm

    4. Tibet, Kali, and the Trinity Goddess http://www.themistsofavalon.net/universal-lounge-f8/tibet-kali-and-the-trinity-goddess-t1019.htm

    5. Complexity, Technology, Competition, Greed, Power-Hunger, Self-Exaltation, and the Quickening http://www.themistsofavalon.net/universal-lounge-f8/complexity-technology-competition-greed-power-hunger-self-exaltation-and-the-quickening-t1033.htm

    6. Bill Cooper, Commander X, and Branton http://www.themistsofavalon.net/universal-lounge-f8/bill-cooper-commander-x-and-branton-t1098.htm

    7. Red Letter Church http://www.themistsofavalon.net/universal-lounge-f8/red-letter-church-t1040.htm

    8. Who is Lucifer? What Are They Doing? http://www.themistsofavalon.net/universal-lounge-f8/who-is-lucifer-what-are-they-doing-t841.htm

    9. United Nations + City States + Underground Bases + Secret Space Program = Secret Government? http://www.themistsofavalon.net/universal-lounge-f8/united-nations-city-states-underground-bases-secret-space-program-secret-government-t853.htm
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:49 pm

    Don't be afraid. I mean no harm. This is just a modification of my previous 'out of here' message. I am going to retrace my steps - and really attempt to absorb the territory I have covered so hastily and hesitatingly - and really attempt to separate the wheat from the chaff. I will also attempt to internalize the wheat - and to walk the walk. I have tried to bring others along with me on my journey - and this may have been a mistake. But I really do think that the areas covered are key - and that they should be studied carefully. What I should probably do - is proceed as though I were writing a doctoral dissertation - and produce a 1,000 page scholarly book - with 100 pages of footnotes. I doubt that such a lofty goal will materialize - judging from my limited track record - but someone needs to do this. Joseph Farrell - where are you?

    I'm also going to read a bunch of fringe books - and watch a bunch of sci-fi DVD's. I'm really going to try to post a lot less - but I'm not mad. Speaking of which - the more calm and passive the discovery process, the better. The disclosure material itself is so explosive - that one should probably go out of their way to take it slow and easy. I'm still interested in a job which helps to facilitate a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Solar System aka The United States of the Solar System - which involves access without authority. Hell - I just want to fly in a UFO - without getting shipped off to a slave-labor yttrium mine on Planet 666 - and then used as food when I slow down. I really and truly hope that this solar system is in the process of becoming much more reasonable and ethical - with or without me. Namaste. I am of peace. Always.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:21 am

    Thank-you. I found it time consuming to dig up the old threads...and sometimes the search would not produce the long lost threads. Also...there is a progression of thought which has occurred...although some might call it a digression. At this point...I am filled with a mixture of dispair and hope. These threads are not intended to make anyone happy. They are intended to approach the reality of what is really going on in this universe...and then to facilitate the most positive long-term outcome possible...for all beings...throughout the universe. I want to view all of the gory details...and then begin to create order out of chaos...and rise to new heights...sort of like the Flight of the Phoenix. [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxfZHP1HHHg"]YouTube - Flight of the Phoenix Trailer (2004)[/url]
    Thank-you Anchor. All I can do is point in directions where I see light. I have nothing original...yet I can sense when other people are on the right track...I think. I don't have everything figured out. I'm just struggling and thinking out loud. One probably shouldn't do that in public...but I don't consider this forum to be public. The groupings of the videos seemed to be important to me. They fit together...and complement each other. The puzzle is quite large and complex. Smoke is just pouring out of my ears.

    I just keep hoping that people will be able to adjust to all of the new information without becoming violent or going insane. There is so much upsetting and conflicting information out there. Plus...I believe there is an unseen battle on a supernatural level. We are getting pushed and pulled in all directions...and we all have breaking points. Each person must find their own way in their own time. In many ways...I think the transition is going well. It could be going a hell of a lot worse.

    I'm going to go through all of the above threads...and watch all of the videos. The people in these videos are not the last word...but many of them are trail blazers or pioneers who should not be ignored...and who can help us discern the truth or error in subsequent prophets or whistle-blowers. I like to consider information which is at least five years old...in order to evaluate the validity of the then new information or predictions. People need to win my trust. But no one is perfect. Some of my favorites had very serious flaws. I like Bill Cooper a lot, for example...but he struggled with alcohol and temper issues. He was very confrontational with authorities...and sometimes did not know when to stop. In other words...no one should become an idol or a god.

    When I listed these threads...I realized that they were not particularly profound...but that they covered some territory which I hadn't found elsewhere on this site. I guess this is just another potential piece of the puzzle...and what a puzzle it is! Good luck everyone!

    I would love to meet with a group of scholars regarding the above threads...and have a completely blunt...non politically correct...take off the gloves...12 hour marathon discussion/debate. This group might include Jesuits, Alphabet Agency Representatives, Reptilians, Greys, Researchers, Lucifer, etc. Unfortunately...at the end of the 12 hours...I would know way, way too much...and we all know what that would mean. Actually, I would probably be so depressed...that they wouldn't have to do a thing...if you know what I mean. I feel like we are just scratching the surface here in this forum...but we may all need much thicker skin to be able to properly handle the full truth. In a sense...we may need to go to hell...before we can go to heaven. I tend to think that many leaders fear that the human race would go to hell...and stay there if they were told the full uncensored truth. This may be a major reason why there is not full disclosure. There are some legitimate reasons for secrecy...but I think that most of the reasons are evil and corrupt as hell. This forum may be an experiment...to see how non-insiders react or respond to the gradual release of inside information. This may help non-corrupt powers that be to properly introduce the new information to the general public. Just a thought.

    Thank-you. I love it when they all find out that the aircraft engineer is a toy plane designer!! Surprise! What if the person who has the most to offer to get us out of this mess...has absolutely no credentials or credibility?! Do we evaluate ideas based strictly upon merit...or do we worship titles and resumes? Haven't the experts of the world gotten us into this mess? Why should we trust them to get us out of this mess? What if a being in the form of a young lady...runs the solar system?

    Step right up! Pick a thread! Any thread! But be prepared to have your preconceived notions completely unravel. :shocked:

    You know...I would love to see a file on my posting activity...done by a seasoned C.I.A. analyst. Maybe someday I will see such a file...in the hands of a prosecuting attorney. I hope not...but these are very crazy times. I have absolutely no idea whether these threads...plus any other postings on this site and YouTube...are in any way, shape, or form...considered to be a problem by any authorities...at any level. I tend to think that so few people view this material...that the effect is really inconsequential. And of those few people...the ones who actually connect the dots may actually be non-existent. But for those in the know...I have a sneaking hunch that they see exactly what I am seeing...and that this composite picture is quite startling...and potentially destabilizing.

    At this point...I don't really see what the point of all this really is. I open myself up to being placed on lists of troublemakers. Very few people are influenced. And these few are probably less happy after seeing some of what I'm seeing. So I'm thinking that maybe we really are sheep who cannot lead ourselves...and that efforts to change this may be futile at best...and detrimental and destabilizing at worst.

    I keep saying that I am going to take a break...but I just can't stop posting. Well...I'm going to try again.

    I'm trying to take a break from posting...but I just couldn't resist requesting that someone make a critical study of these threads...and issue a verdict. I'm too close to them...at this point...to be objective. They are sort of a road less traveled. Be honest about the overall picture which emerges. Thank-you in advance. :original:

    I'm transmitting a request for help into the vast regions of space and cyberspace...for conversation regarding these threads. Is there intelligent life out there? The threads are very diverse...yet there is a common thread. I'm just trying to figure things out...and I don't have the answers...or even the questions. Again, I'm too close to these threads to really be objective...and I need some criticism...constructive or otherwise. Consider these threads to be Orthodoxymoron University. Upon completion...you will receive a Disoriented to the nth Degree. :shocked: And you think you have problems now?

    I'm running out of steam (if I had any to begin with). On an ongoing basis...over many months...the subjects and concepts which I am interested in...seem to spark very little interest in others. I can understand this...but I don't know where to turn...to continue my quest...or if I should be a quester at all. Any ideas? If I had lied...and claimed to be a hybrid abductee with all the answers...and dire predictions…complete with dates...there would probably be huge interest! What the hell is going on?

    GOING...Going...almost gone...

    [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22QYriWAF-U&feature=related"]YouTube - One is the Loneliest Number[/url]

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    gone :tongue2:

    Because the search function continues to be non-functional...I thought I'd bump this thread to see if there are any takers. 'Come into my threads'...orthodoxymoron said to the unsuspecting Avalon members. :sneaky2:

    Thank-you JesterTerrestrial. I don't know what to do. For now...I'm going on a bump-strike. I'm going to bump this thread every few days until the search function is completely restored! I wanna talk about some of these threads. Maybe I should reincarnate to the forum as a claimed ET from Planet BS...and do a mentoring thread titled 'The New Attitude of Gratitude and Servitude'...full of bs and exotic terminology aka intergalactic mumbo jumbo aka the universal language. Then there would probably be tens of thousands of views and hundreds of comments. Then I could write a book...and move out of this dump. You sneak and peak guys know what I'm talking about. Please flush the toilet next time...

    Thank-you. They know more about us than we know about ourselves.

    I like to think that we are the best buddies of the non-corrupt powers that be...because we are rationally examining some very controversial subjects...rather than going crazy. I like to think that we are sort of a buffer...which will help to keep society balanced. I like to think that we are a part of a low-key disclosure project...where a lot of the secrets of the universe...and dark secrets...are gradually being integrated into the public consciousness...in an evolutionary rather than a revolutionary manner.

    I'm still looking for unsuspecting mortals to communicate with. I'm just trying to build on what I have examined thus far. I'm not new to thinking about spiritual things and science...but I am new to looking at all of the relatively new information available on the internet. It's quite startling and overwhelming to me. I'm looking for a unified field theory of the alien presence. I have a feeling that when we research everything to death...in a free and open society...we will be astonished at how simple and obvious things will turn out to be. We seem to be presently wallowing in a fog of illusions, smoke, and mirrors. I feel like I'm at sea most of the time. I want things to start clarifying and solidifying...even if I don't like the reality which emerges.

    The most important thread to me is the 'United States of the Solar System' thread. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 I'm trying to pull all of the theological and metaphysical stuff into the orbit of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...as a non-theocratic union of spirituality and state. It may seem dry and boring at first...but I think there are a lot of dazzling possibilities in this approach. I'm not a constitutional scholar...but I am sold on the concept of Constitutional Responsible Freedom. I don't know where this will lead...but I am going to attempt to take this concept as far as I can...and hopefully more capable people will take the concept where it deserves to go. I'm just a crazy mixed-up pseudo-intellectual who is trying to find peace and happiness in a very crazy universe. I am completely convinced that facing reality...including the realities of historical atrocities and enslavements...will pave the way for a better universe. We may have to wade through an unbelievable amount of negative material in order to see the light. The threads can be somewhat negative...but there is always an attempt to find solutions and to emerge with a stronger paradigm.

    The second most important thread to me is the one on 'God, Jesus, Satan, Lucifer, Etc.' http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15014&highlight=orthodoxymoron This thread is quite irreverent...but a stronger spiritual foundation is that which is desired. I believe that this thread dovetails with 'The United States of the Solar System' thread. I confess that I am a heretic...but I'm really trying to exorcise the demons from the church and from the solar system. All of the ufo/alien/spiritual/religious/political discussion should be addressed from a theological and constitutional perspective.

    So please take a look at both of these threads, if you haven't already...or take another look. Most of the other threads are instructive regarding these two primary threads. Oh what a tangled web I'm weaving...and I'm not practicing deceiving. Just the opposite.

    Thank-you Noela. The link seems to not be functional. Here is a link which works. http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/Introduction%20to%20the%20Divine%20Council%20MTIT.pdf Here is a link to a Dr. Michael Heiser interview. http://derekpgilbert.com/?p=3342 It's really quite good. I love this sort of thing! Here is a video of an Old Testament scholar who has a doctorate from the University of Edinburgh...Dr. Alden Thompson. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4523891344008092279# I have one of his books 'Who's Afraid of the Old Testament God?' He is a very pastoral scholar who presents problems...or hints at problems...and then resolves them in a soothing and pastoral manner. I once told him that I didn't think that Jesus was God. He unsuccessfully attempted to change my mind. I like him a lot...but I am taking a radical surgery approach presently...and hoping that the patient doesn't die while I attempt to remove the theocratic-cancer which I believe is growing on the human race. I am attempting to replace a Universal Church Theocracy with Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. I can't be fired for my radical views. My livelihood is not tied to my editorial bias. I think that we need to stop beating around the burning bush. We need to be very, very honest...even if this results in severe pain and suffering. We need to take a swig of whiskey...bite the bullet...and get on with it. Avalon seems to be an appropriate place to attempt this. I would never try this in a church setting. The resulting controversy would be an intellectual and spiritual Armageddon. Check this thread out...regarding a huge controversy within the Worldwide Church of God (I don't just pick on the Catholics!). The video is very well done. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13882&highlight=worldwide+church There is a time and a place for everything. I'm admittedly a pseudo-intellectual bull in a theological china closet...a real loose cannon...armed with a tactical nuke! "Calling all Jesuits! Calling all Jesuits! Be on the lookout for orthodoxymoron! That cursed Judas!"

    Seriously...I would love to be present during a top-level Jesuit theological discussion. They fascinate me...and they terrify me. They could do much to promote Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...and to breathe spiritual and ethical life into it...once Lucifer (or equivalent) retires...and they are freely able to integrate their discipline, organization, and education into modern life. I'm serious. They know better...but their hands seem to be tied...and they are obedient servants. They need to be free. That's what I think anyway...but what do I know? I don't want the church to disappear. I want the church to be completely reformed and purified. I'm not sure about the details.

    I like listening to people who know how to combine academic freedom with pastoral responsibility. The two people in the previous post (Heiser and Thompson) know how to do this very well.

    Jordan Maxwell has a Roman Catholic background...and as a child listened in on conversations regarding Vatican intrigue. I have heard him hint that the Vatican does what it is told to do (by non-humans who are not necessarily good). He properly understands that the historical and contemporary Vatican does not view the United States and the U.S. Constitution as a positive development on the world stage...to say the least.

    Now I'm going to listen to Jordan Maxwell. I still find it interesting how his lecture at Awake and Aware was seemingly cut short while he was talking about the Vatican being the biggest enemy of the United States. I think this is true...but I don't think the Vatican really wants to be...but they do what they are told to do.

    This may sound crazy...but the Draconians may have to decide that Responsible Freedom is in their best interest...before the Vatican can really do the right thing. I think the historical and present hierarchical arrangement of the universe is all wrong...but what do I know?

    I'm sorry you wasted your time on the WCG video. I have noticed a decided preference for the sensational throughout society...and not just on this site. Hollywood has trained us well to expect to be entertained...while we as a society ignorantly head straight toward the hot place. I hope that the new 'V' series will combine attention-grabbing sensationalism with a solid dose of reality regarding the trouble we are really in.

    However boring they may be...documentaries which chronicle how people have been misled and manipulated...can prevent untold disillusionment and heartache. I see people jumping out of the frying pan...right into the fire...every single day.

    Jordan Maxwell seems to have a crystal clear view of the trouble we are in. He convincingly presents the problems. Unfortunately...he offers few solutions. I have feebly offered some of my solutions here in Avalon. Unfortunately...there seems to be almost no interest in them. Jordan may be right. We may be so apathetic and desensitized...that we are past the point of no return regarding the New World Order Theocracy scenario.

    The cynical views of Sigmund Freud and Edwin Bernays may be spot-on. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Anyone?

    Welcome beren...and thank-you. I agree with Jordan Maxwell that we are in a spiritual war...which could help to explain why valid solutions are skipped-over, ignored, or actively opposed. If we could see the unseen forces which I believe surround each and every one of us...we would probably be horrified. Ignorance is bliss...but it can get us enslaved and exterminated.

    See you on the Jordan Maxwell thread.

    The battles which go on just beyond our perceptions must be something to behold. I still think that evil entities can tempt, harass and annoy us...despite angelic protection. Obviously I don't know the details. This is just what I think.

    Power Corrupts. Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. Are there any beings in the universe who are exempt from the truth of this concept? I don't think so. Has universal history consisted of tyrants replacing tyrants replacing tyrants replacing tyrants? I think so. How long does it take for a good-guy to become a bad-guy once they achieve Absolute Power? Not very long...in my view.

    I have not read J.R.R. Tolkein's books...but I have read several C.S. Lewis books. My favorite is 'Screwtape Letters'.

    You rightly understand the relationship between freedom and responsibility. I'm just starting to grasp this subject. This is the key to everything. This is the truth which will set us free.

    If we choose to do the right thing...the bad-guys are going to try to keep us from doing the right thing. To believe that believers are somehow exempt from competition with evil entities is naive in my view. We are in the middle of a spiritual war.

    Thank-you for your insights.

    I'm just thinking out loud here...which is what I do every day here...for better or for worse. I'm going to renew my vow to review these threads. Sometimes repetition is essential. Churches use repetition...week after week after week. This is partly good and partly bad. The alternative crowd runs around like chickens with their heads cut off! I guess what I'm saying...is that I'm going to try to build on a foundation. I'm considering the United States of the Solar System thread to be the foundational thread...with the other 52 threads as supporting evidence. I doubt that anyone else has the time, motivation, or energy to help me do this...but one never knows.

    It's no secret that I'm burned-out big-time with traditional religions of all kinds. I seem to pick on the Roman Catholics...but they're just the biggest game in town...which most of the others follow...whether they realize it or not. I don't hate any of them...but I'm still burned-out. I am equally suspicious of New Age philosophies, religions, and programming’s. I'm really one miserable S.O.L.S.O.B. But misery loves company...so here is my invitation to accompany me on my spiritual quest...but don't expect it to make you happy. I just want the truth. I don't care about the happy part. The PTB will give you what you want...and tell you what you want to hear...as they lead you down the primrose path...on the Highway to Hell...paved with bad intentions.[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQIxn7s3ym8"]YouTube- AC/DC Highway to Hell Live!![/url]

    I hope no one takes any of these threads too seriously. I'm just trying to make everyone think...sometimes by being a bit contrarian and irreverent. I want to stop posting...but I just can't seem to help myself. The areas of study are more important than any conclusions I have seemed to reach. Your answers are more important than my answers.

    Which is more important and desirable...Peaceful Dialogue or Triumphant Victory? Which of these two options should the most powerful factions in our Solar System choose to pursue?

    I don't really know...because I don't really know the facts. All I know is that what has been (and is presently) transpiring...is really $crewed-up. Just look at the carnage and misery of the past 100 years. And we're supposed to be 'civilized'. For shame.

    I'm having a bad day. I don't want a solution. I just wanna bitch. Mad 3

    The most recent Avalon meltdown screwed up most of the video links...and I have been spending hours repairing the damage. I made a post...just before the meltdown...where I questioned whether I should post it or not. Well...when I tried to...I got that database problem screen repeatedly. I went to another site...and when I returned...the message had posted. Shortly thereafter...the site went down. I'm sure there was no connection...but it made me wonder at the time. Also right after I made that questionable post...I could have sworn that something supernatural briefly appeared between me and the monitor. Probably just my imagination...but it made me wonder at the time. This whole thing seems to be an uphill battle...with few rewards...and many possible problems...such as getting on lists for discussing controversial topics in a public forum. It really seems to be an exercise in futility and a tempest in a teapot. Gotta go take my medicine...before I really get going. Over and out.

    Thank-you Jacqui D. I'm just dealing with the kid's-stuff...and even that is scaring the heck out of me. :shocked:

    To all the new people...I have been stumbling around the internet for a while now...and this is a collection of some of my escapades. Please take a look...and tell me what you think. I think the regulars got tired of me a long time ago...so maybe I can pick a fight with some of you newbies...before you get me all figured out! These threads probably won't make you happy. They might cause you to become very upset...so be forewarned. My goal is to make you think...and not to spoon-feed anyone with anything. I keep saying that I don't know...and I really don't. I'm just trying to deal with the crazy world and universe we live in. I see things getting worse...before they get better. We are going through a trial by fire...on the way to bigger and better things.

    Some of the links in the threads may be ruined. There was a site meltdown...and it destroyed most of the links on my threads. I've reconstructed some of them...but it may be a few days before I finish repairing the damage.

    Just another invitation for conversation. I'm not trying to make anyone happy. I'm just trying to relentlessly pursue the truth...and not necessarily according to SaLuSa. If you want to be happy...move to Oregon and smoke weed. :smoke:

    Rational conversations and concepts do not seem to succeed. Fame, fortune, power, and pleasure seem to do very well. We also seem to be sitting ducks for exciting, sensational, and entertaining things...even if these things are not ultimately in our best interest. It may be past time to move on. I think I wore out my welcome a long time ago. I often feel as though I got dropped off on this planet by mistake. I don't feel like I belong here. Maybe I don't. I've been neglecting my personal finances and home maintenance. Idealistic dreamers may always lose to greedy b@$t@rd$. The bottom-line may be the bottom-line after all.

    This is just an renewed invitation to talk to me about some of these threads. The subjects were not chosen with malice and forethought. They were pretty much random choices of roads less traveled. I have encountered few kindred spirits throughout my life...but hope springs eternal. I'm still searching.

    This is pointless. I'm out of here. I need to concentrate on doing what pays the rent. I also feel like I'm grandstanding and self promoting...and I don't like that. Also...this stuff is too controversial...and I want to try to get myself off of the lists before the theocracy and enslavement really kicks in. I have learned the hard way that people really do not want to be free...and I certainly do not wish to force freedom on anyone. That would be an oxymoron. :zip:

    I am still interested in discussing these threads. Is this an appropriate forum to do so? Is there another forum which might be more interested and receptive? Should I join the crowd...and Groove with the Thubans? Maybe I should start channeling...conjure up UFO's...or have an intimate relationship with a Reptilian. It's got to be sensational...doesn't it? Give 'em what they want...right? Tell 'em what they want to hear...right? Maybe I should do some market research...and post accordingly. Any ideas?

    I'm still interested in some rational conversation on these quite diverse and random threads. There is a common editorial slant...which should become clear as you sample the various threads. It's sort of a road less traveled...but that might make all the difference. I don't try to make people scared or angry...and I don't claim special powers or experiences...so there is limited interest. However...simple and boring might be the way out of this mess.

    I'm trying to let go of a lot of this stuff. One side of me wants to be a crusader for The United States of the Solar System. The other side of me wants to shut the @#$% up...and just live...especially since it appears that most of us are not interested in being responsibly free or in the self-rule of this Solar System. I completely identify with Jordan Maxwell's comments at the end of the Camelot interview. I have sensed the same thing in many other progressive and profound thinkers.

    I may just gather what I have done on the site...and craft it into something...I don't know what. I just need to do something different. Maybe I'll just review everything. I've been trying to build some sort of a foundation...as in philosophical and theological roots...which would actually work for everyone. I think I just need to go through all of the threads...and rethink everything. A little bit of knowledge...and a lot of emotion...can be very dangerous...and I don't wish to be dangerous. Just the opposite. So...I'm going to try to post a lot less. I've tried to do this before...but the abraxasinas situation and my first ufo sighting sort of wore me down to an all-time low.

    I really think you might find these 52 threads to be a profitable road less travelled. I've tried to be honest...but I am a master of none of the subjects. I claim very little. I just wanted to discuss various topics which mostly were not the latest craze. I have longed for some academic analysis of my speculations and thinking...but so far...this has not occurred...and I doubt that it ever will. I guess I'll just have to keep using my imagination...to explore these roads less traveled. Perhaps that will make all the difference.

    Thank-you for your wise words Devakas. The whole world contains much wisdom...and that includes India. I'm trying to think of myself as a citizen of Earth...and open to all cultures, races, and religions. I live in the United States...but I don't think of myself as an American...in a nationalistic or protectionist sense. I like the principles and concepts of the founders and the founding documents...but I consider myself to be a citizen of India as much as a citizen of the U.S.

    Thank-you lisa. I'm often more shallow and gullible...than I am truly open. But I'm working on it. It takes an open person to know an open person...and you seem to be equally open. Namaste. People have lives. They have families. They have jobs. They have problems. They don't have the time, energy, and inclination to basically become monks...and think everything though...with much pain and suffering. It's a nasty job...but someone's gotta do it! Thank-you for the tip on the meditation course. Of course...my problem may be that I meditate too much! Or...do I vegetate too much? Some call it laziness. I call it deep thought! Forget Deep-Throat. Listen to Deep-Thought! Everyone's too involved!

    What if nearly everything is BS? What if we are all deluded? What if our battles are really delusions in conflict? What if we need to start from scratch? I'm just considering these threads to be my attempt to sample various modalities of thinking. The real answers may yet be on the horizon. I feel very unsatisfied with nearly everyone and everything. The United States of the Solar System is my best idea for a next step. If we do this...the stage may be set for doing something of a more refined nature in 100 years. I believe in evolutionary change...and this seems to be a logical next step. But I think we're just scratching the surface of considering the possibilities regarding what things should really be like here in this Solar System. Please think long, hard, and independently...but don't get angry or go crazy. Good Luck!!

    I just want everyone to be happy and get along with each other. This is the goal behind all of my threads and posts...even the most controversial ones. I'm thinking that I've pretty much made my point...and that I probably should not post nearly as much. I probably won't go to Avalon 2...but I'll always be lurking in the shadows. Thanks to all who have helped me to learn about life, the universe, and everything...and that includes you abraxasinas.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:25 am

    Here are some posts I made on another thread...and I just wanted to condense them...and place them in a more appropriate context than the original thread...where I got a bit carried away. Here goes:

    I grew up worshipping and praising 'God'. I don't do this anymore. I have painfully come to the conclusion that the very concept of 'God' is highly problematic. I believe in spiritual things. I believe in good and evil. I believe in the highest ethical behavior. I believe in life after life after life. But We the People of Earth should not bow down and worship, praise, and unquestioningly obey anyone...male, female, human, reptilian, grey, it, etc, etc. We the People of Earth should rule ourselves. I think that Jesus tried to tell us this...in a bit of a round about way. The religious people have gotten it wrong...and the atheists have gotten it wrong. I guess I want a secular spirituality which does not involve formal, arbitrary, and ritual religion. I can say more about this...but I'm tired...and I find this difficult to discuss at the moment. For now...see the statement below:

    We the People of Earth have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves, and for future generations...a True World Order. A world where Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...not the Old World Disorder Demonic Theocracy...governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful...and we will be...we have a real chance at this True World Order...an order in which a credible United Nations can use Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom to fulfill the promise and vision of All Races.

    Organized religion is the isness turned into the business of a luciferian monopoly on monotheism. How's that for a heretical mouthful? I'm so gonna burn!

    A Reading From the Twenty First Chapter of Leviticus:

    1.And the LORD said unto Moses, Speak unto the priests the sons of Aaron, and say unto them, There shall none be defiled for the dead among his people:
    2.But for his kin, that is near unto him, that is, for his mother, and for his father, and for his son, and for his daughter, and for his brother,
    3.And for his sister a virgin, that is nigh unto him, which hath had no husband; for her may he be defiled .
    4.But he shall not defile himself, being a chief man among his people, to profane himself.
    5.They shall not make baldness upon their head, neither shall they shave off the corner of their beard, nor make any cuttings in their flesh.
    6.They shall be holy unto their God, and not profane the name of their God: for the offerings of the LORD made by fire, and the bread of their God, they do offer : therefore they shall be holy.
    7.They shall not take a wife that is a whore , or profane; neither shall they take a woman put away from her husband: for he is holy unto his God.
    8.Thou shalt sanctify him therefore; for he offereth the bread of thy God: he shall be holy unto thee: for I the LORD, which sanctify you, am holy.
    9.And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore , she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.
    10.And he that is the high priest among his brethren, upon whose head the anointing oil was poured , and that is consecrated to put on the garments, shall not uncover his head, nor rend his clothes;
    11.Neither shall he go in to any dead body, nor defile himself for his father, or for his mother;
    12.Neither shall he go out of the sanctuary, nor profane the sanctuary of his God; for the crown of the anointing oil of his God is upon him: I am the LORD.
    13.And he shall take a wife in her virginity.
    14.A widow, or a divorced woman , or profane, or an harlot , these shall he not take : but he shall take a virgin of his own people to wife.
    15.Neither shall he profane his seed among his people: for I the LORD do sanctify him.
    16.And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying ,
    17.Speak unto Aaron, saying , Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.
    18.For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach : a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose , or any thing superfluous ,
    19.Or a man that is brokenfooted , or brokenhanded ,
    20.Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;
    21.No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.
    22.He shall eat the bread of his God, both of the most holy, and of the holy.
    23.Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries: for I the LORD do sanctify them.
    24.And Moses told it unto Aaron, and to his sons, and unto all the children of Israel.

    The Word of the Lord? Thanks Be to God? No No

    The problem with my posts is the disruption and disorientation factor. Hopefully this is minimal here in this philosophical no-man's land of Avalon. But exercise extreme caution in the area of theology. It is a Pandora's Box. People sometimes divorce...go insane...commit suicide...etc...when they lose their faith. A pastor once told me not to get too deep into theology. I belonged to a church which prided itself on the fact that people studied their way into the truth of this faith. But later...many of their children went to college...and found out that all was not well with the faith...and studied their way out of the church. And all too often...no one other than their parents...seemed to give a rat's patootie. All too many of us received a swift kick on our way out the door.

    The God of This World is Not the God of This Universe. I suspect a malevolent collection of aliens playing God...with a kingpin named Lucifer. Jesus tried to set us free. The Teachings of Jesus can help us to tap into the divinity which is in each of us. This is not an arrogant assertion. But it may be Us vs Them...and we need to understand this if we are going to stand up to Them...and Set Ourselves Free. I try to follow the words of Christ...but I am not waiting for him to come and save us. Beware of a staged UFO invasion and a staged Second Coming of Christ. God save us from our saviors...and we have nothing to fear but the fearmongers.

    "God's work on Earth must truly be our own." (JFK)

    Achieving a critical mass of Christ-like beings(human and non-human) on Earth is the key to liberation. This will precipitate a global exorcism. I'm not anti-alien...just anti-demon. I speak in speculative generalities because the people in the know...don't seem to want us to know. They keep us guessing.

    Originally Posted by 14 Chakras:
    Quote: "Achieving a critical mass of Christ-like beings(human and non-human) on Earth is the key to liberation."

    Response by 14 Chakras: I agree on the human part, this is the key. A critical mass of Christ Beings, a "Christ Mass" of people of planet earth (not aliens pretending to be humans - sorry aliens, you don't qualify for this part of the mission, this is not your planet) who surrender the illusion they are only human and replace it with the reality that they are infinite spiritual beings who, in Oneness with all life, are here to raise up creation from within, is required to make the shift into the golden age without the prophesied 'birth pains / cataclysms / atrocities'... The question is, are YOU going to step up to the plate?

    My response: I like this post. But if malevolent aliens are jerking our chain...we may need the help of benevolent aliens to accomplish a global exorcism. If malevolent aliens are holed up in heavily fortified Deep Underground Military Bases throughout the solar system...with reinforcements on the way...we may be in more trouble than we can possibly imagine. We probably need insiders...human and non-human...to be decidedly on the side of Responsible Freedom. I like the idea of interacting with benevolent aliens. I wouldn't even have a problem with some of them living on Earth...but they could never be our rulers or gods...and truly benevolent aliens would never play the part.

    God is a Composite. If God is an it...is Satan an it too? If there is a Divine Feminine...is there a Demonic Feminine too?

    I offer the following as a suggestion rather than as a dogmatic assertion. It is my idealistic view of what theology should be(if we need theology at all). I do have a darker view of theology...which is partially explored in this thread. These thoughts seem to make sense to me, but they are not orthodox or widely believed. They could be considered to be heresy. So burn me!

    The Trinity is avoided by a lot of clergy. It's a lot easier to speak of loving neighbor as self, than it is to speak of one God, in three persons. And we haven't seen any of them. That we know of, at least! Is God the Father the one who sends fire down from heaven, makes rules, orders people to kill other people, is overbearing and authoritarian? Or is God the Father the same as God the Son, Jesus Christ? Jesus said, "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father." So is it the first or second option? All of the above or none of the above?

    Allow me to gingerly suggest that God the Father can be equated with what I refer to as God the Concept: The most ideal, yet realistic conceptualization of God, which changes constantly as times, knowledge, needs and perceptions change. God the Concept can be male, female, or a composite of the two. A combination of reality and fiction! There is enough reality for believers to believe, and enough fiction for doubters to doubt. I believe that God exists, but that it is still necessary to invent Him, or Her, at least partially! And believe it or not, I say this with the utmost reverence and respect. I believe that God wishes for us to be open-minded and honest. If we are wrong, God can work with us on that. That is forgivable! If we are narrow, closed-minded, arrogant, and dishonest...well that comes very close to sinning against the Holy Spirit. God can't do a lot to help us at that point! God the Father, as pictured in the Old Testament, was the conceptualization of God necessary to accomplish the foundational development of religion, with the door left wide open for future representations of God, and the advanced development of religion.

    Is Jesus Christ the only Son of God, begotten, not made, of one being with the Father? Has God appeared in human flesh only once in all of history, and for only 33 years, and of that, with only 3 years of high-profile visibility? Allow me to gingerly suggest that God the Son can be equated with what I call God the Human: The most God-like human, male or female, alive at any moment throughout human history, and inclusively, but not exclusively, Jesus Christ! For practical purposes, to avoid confusion, and because they are true and ageless, the Teachings of Jesus are the absolute foundation of the Christian Church. They build on the moral teachings of the Old Testament without including the ceremonial and ritual teachings!

    In the fullness of time, prophetically, Jesus Christ emerged as the most God-like person on the face of Planet Earth. Indeed, he was, and is God. No other human can make that claim! But Jesus said, "greater things will you do!" How could the followers of Almighty God do greater things than God Himself? Jesus set the standard, and drew a line in the sand regarding character and behavior. But when Jesus came to Earth, He was on a mission-trip, not an ego-trip! Would you really respect someone who expected to be worshiped and praised? I do respect someone who walked the walk, talked the talk, and simply asked to be loved and taken seriously. In mind, character, and personality, others throughout subsequent history undoubtedly equaled the spirituality and morality of Jesus Christ. But it has not been their role to be the benchmark of humanity, the gold standard of righteousness!

    In one sense, others have been God the Human, but not in the same sense as Jesus Christ. They have more precisely been God's Ambassadors to Planet Earth. These highly righteous people did not become the new foundation. These people must keep referring back to the life and teachings of Christ. That is the standard! It is their role to live the life of Christ, and to apply the teachings of Christ to their time. As Christians, we are followers of Jesus Christ. He is the foundation of the magnificent structure being constructed on Earth, called the Kingdom of God!

    Is the Holy Spirit really real, and really God? Is the Holy Spirit the most real, most presently present, and most agelessly God? Allow me to gingerly suggest that the Holy Spirit is the most God-like spirit being at any moment throughout spirit history. Not a single entity! Kindred spirit beings represent the mind, character, and personality of this primary spirit being to human beings here on Earth! Corporately, these spirit beings constitute the Holy Spirit. Omnipresent! They represent to us the living Christ, based upon the historical Jesus, and especially the teachings of Jesus. But the adaptation is contemporary!

    The inverse of all that I have said above would constitute a Satanic Trinity! I believe in this reality as well. This is a very, very dangerous reality! This is why I plead with you to pray to God earnestly in the name of Jesus Christ, and with the power of the Holy Spirit! Pray! Don't delve, or play spiritual games! If you experiment rather than pray, you will undoubtedly end up playing with the Devil and the Demons!

    I am saying this to scare the Hell out of you! Have I succeeded, or do you feel lucky? Satan would love to have you go ahead and make his day...

    Could this(the second video) be getting close to who Lucifer aka Satan aka God of This World is? We might be very surprised at who runs Earth, the Solar System, and the Universe. Do world leaders have to bow down to such a being in an inner earth temple? See video clips below.

    I agree with you completely. This is very simple...yet very complex. When we finally get this sorted out(if we survive)...it will probably seem so obvious and elementary...yet it may take us millions of years to get there. I hope not. But how long has this universe been engaged in fighting over who gets to be God and who gets to be The Master Race?

    I'm trying to think through a constitutionally based solar system...where reptilians, humans, and greys peacefully engage in commerce, athletics, education, tourism, the arts, entertainment, etc. There would be no God, no Satan...and nobody would have to bow down and worship anyone. No one would be a master...and no one would be a slave. Everyone would be in charge. I keep referring to the U.S. Constitution because of it being in use for over 200 years, and being currently in use. There could be others...perhaps superior...but I'm trying not to reinvent the wheel. It does not imply nationalism or protectionism. It does imply We the People(we the beings?) being in charge...in an organized decentralism.

    If there are Deep Underground Military Bases throughout the solar system inhabited by various factions of humans, greys, and reptilians...an all out war would be utterly devastating. A voluntary cooperation under a constitution would make so much more sense. The gods could retire...which is what I want. I don't want Lucifer(or equivalent) to be hurt or killed...I just want the reign of terror to end.

    I'm suspecting that well intentioned beings of all races...for billions of years...have tried to be God...and failed miserably. Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely...no matter how intelligent and well-intentioned you are. It turns a Good God into an Evil Satan...and it probably doesn't take very long.

    Did I suggest making the Bible the standard? I have suggested making the U.S. Constitution the standard. Truly benevolent reptilians, greys, and humans should have no problem with this. It would be corrupt beings who wish to be God Almighty or The Master Race who would object to a decentralized form of government which empowers everyone.

    I think that it is very plausible that when anyone is ruled over...that they eventually rebel. Then they try to rule...only to find their subjects rebelling against them. Could one third of the angels have been humans...one third reptilians...and one third greys? Were the humans in charge? Did the humans abuse their power and mistreat the reptilians and greys? Did the reptilians rebel? Were the greys caught in the middle? I'm thinking more and more...that the history of this universe is very, very sad. Jesus said 'I have many things to tell you...but you cannot bear them.' Jesus also said to 'be wise as serpents'...and I don't think he was referring to rattlesnakes. Despite the plagiarisms, redactions, supressions, misinterpretations, etc, etc...I think that Jesus was the real deal...and tried to set everyone free...including the reptilians and greys.

    I'm exploring the possibility that it may be impossible to be God...without becoming Satan. Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. I guess I'm calling for all of the Gods and Satans to step down from their thrones and retire...and empower the beings of the universe with Constitutional Responsible Freedom.
    I guess I'm not calling for a new God. I'm calling for No God. I believe in the existence of God...but I believe that God should not exist.

    Atheistic Spirituality: Orthodoxymoron or Wave of the Future? Thou shalt have No Gods. This is a new thought for me...and I am not dogmatic(godmatic?)...not yet anyway.

    Hello Lucifer. Why don't we just call the whole thing off...and go and get drunk? I'll buy.

    Pat Condell has quite a few videos on YouTube. I generally like him...although I would never rant like he does...not publicly anyway! He's a bitter ex-Catholic! One has to have a theological background to be able to rant like he does. I love theology...and I hate theology...simultaneously.

    In the fourth video...at 2:14...there is a four-fingered hand...which looks like an alien's hand in a famous alien photo...to me at least. Hmmmm.

    Watch these videos over and over...and imagine the 'god' in the temple speaking the words spoken by Leo. Do we have a match? Is this what Lucifer looks and sounds like? Does Lucifer live in an Inner Earth Stargate Temple/Cathedral in a Deep Underground Military Base where Eucharistic Liturgies involving Live Human Sacrifices are performed? Do world leaders worship and praise the God of This World in this Temple/Cathedral? Was Leo possessed? Was 9/11 an Inside Earth Job? Did ET Phone Rome...and Call 911? I'm obviously speculating...and making a giant leap...but the shoe seems to fit. Is the New World Order the Sacred Roman Empire aka The Kingdom of God aka One Nation Under Satan? The Old World Disorder Demonic Theocracy? Leo was looney...but was his rant very revealing regarding the nature of the NWO? Listen very closely. What does he say about God being a Man...an Alien from Sirius...the Prince of Sirius? The Prince of This World? Giza Intelligence? Seriously. Is Lucifer losing it? I maintain that Lucifer is more deranged than evil. Beings throughout universal history have become drunk and deranged with power...despite their best intentions. Hello Lucifer. Am I getting too hot? The power of Christ compels you to surrender the solar system to Constitutional Responsible Freedom. The universe is watching. I don't hate you. I just want you to retire. Imagine that: Me Tempting Satan! I want all Gods and Satans to retire...Permanently. Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. God is a Fraud. God is Satan. Satan is God. The Universal Church is the Synagogue of Satan: A Luciferian Monopoly on Monotheism.
    Checkmate. Game Over. Lucifer...Let My People Go. Now. Then I'll buy you a drink...and we'll talk about sacred music. I go for Baroque.
    [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6eTbhHE0jM&feature=PlayList&p=C271BC15F76286EC&index=0&playnext=1"]YouTube - The Temptation of Jesus by the Devil in the Wilderness[/url]
    [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7O7UZxipM"]YouTube - Leo Zagami the 2012 Armageddon[/url] [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU"]YouTube - Ra Stargate - Devil Came To Me[/url]
    [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIU6yrQZvP4"]YouTube - Oh My Goddess movie:God is a girl[/url]
    [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnNjRaBj3zs"]YouTube - ABC's 'V' - Upfront Trailer - with Elizabeth Mitchell - 3rd November 2009[/url]
    [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UWZBLUdYgs&feature=related"]YouTube - The Day The Earth Stood Still - Trailer HD[/url]
    [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm4UdswnMO4&feature=related"]YouTube - Leo Zagami Admits Demonic Possession but fights satanists[/url]
    [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niFvBJxJEtM&feature=related"]YouTube - (2/10) Moziah Delivers Leo Lyon Zagami from Lucifer[/url] [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GVQicFRwKU&feature=related"]YouTube - (3/10) Moziah Delivers Leo Lyon Zagami from Lucifer[/url]
    [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDCBSe_yp7k&NR=1"]YouTube - (4/10) Moziah Delivers Leo Lyon Zagami from Lucifer[/url]
    [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Cq7gx22S0"]YouTube - Satan in the Vatican[/url]
    [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx8PdvOELvY"]YouTube - Catholic Inquisition and The Torture Tools[/url]
    I found the following in chapter 19 of the 'Dulce Book' http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce_book.htm on the watcherfiles.com website. I don't know if this is credible...but it really made me think. If the U.S. Constitution was the central authority of the solar system...instead of any deity or demon...no one would be worshipped, humiliated, exalted, enslaved, etc. If Lucifer is the god of this world(and solar system?)...and will not relinquish power to anyone else('if I can't have them...nobody can!')...because of fear, pride, and degeneracy...might a constitutional ultimate authority allow this being to retire with grace...and return to Draco or Orion? I'd really rather skip the Battle of Armageddon.


    'One of the 'targets' to which Mr. Brown's military RV trainer sent him was the Grey aliens' collective mind, and more specifically he was instructed to search out the ultimate command or control center of the collective.

    Shortly after this particular experiment began [one of many], Brown found himself in an area where several Greys were working, although he did not know exactly where this was. He 'followed' the collective mind or thought-flow and found it to be absolutely massive, giving him the feeling of something unbounded, and almost universal in nature. However, he did detect a center, a definite 'heartbeat' of this massive collective matrix, into which and out from which a steady stream of information was flowing.

    He noticed, at one point, an unusual 'subspace' being that seemed to be directing the activities of the Greys he was observing, and discovered that the bodies of the Greys themselves were incarnated by such 'subspace' beings which apparently entered the Greys' embryonic bodies and used them as vessels to manipulate physical reality.

    Brown was then instructed to locate other of these beings who apparently controlled the Grey collective from a subspace or astral level, and found himself in an area where several of these subspace or paraphysical entities were located. As he continued towards this 'center' the number of subspace or non-corporeal beings increased until he came to a place of much activity, something like a grand central station type of area, where these beings were very active in various pursuits. He did not know exactly where this was, but noticed that the closer he came to the control 'center' the more he sensed an increasing rigid atmosphere of absolute military-like control. He came to what he sensed was the central governing center of the subspace beings' activity, and in the center of this there was another area where a "council of 10" very high-level subspace or paraphysical entities congregated. These were apparently the governing principalities who were engaged in running the whole operation. The security here was absolutely incredible.

    Then he perceived the SUPREME LEADER of this council of 10 paraphysical entities... and at about this point Courtney Brown was jerked back into his body, so to speak. He sensed that this leader had detected the presence of his own subspace, astral or magnetic body which he had projected, and had followed this RV 'intruder' back to his physical source. Brown and his trainer felt an oppressive, dark 'cloud' enter the room and it stayed there for about half a minute scrutinizing the scene. It left, apparently seeing the two RV'ers as "small frys" who were not worth wasting its time on.

    Before Brown's expulsion from the command center however, he was able to perceive for a brief moment what this being was really like. He or it was an extremely powerful being, but one with a twisted personality that was full of darkness. Apparently this being had come into conflict with another Force which it saw as its enemy. Brown sensed within this being a severe self-esteem problem, in spite of its incredible power, and because of this it had a consuming desire to be worshipped by others. Brown was confused when he sensed that these subspace beings, and in turn the Reptilians/Greys, were actually COMMANDED by this leader to engage in self-indulgent and destructive activities. This being apparently wanted his servants to use self-indulgent rewards or fear of punishment to maintain the absolute hierarchical command structure within its empire -- as well as through the rest of the subspace hierarchy, and in turn throughout the Reptilian Grey's collective 'hive' society that they completely infested.

    Brown also got the impression that it was FEAR and PRIDE -- its perceived NEED to be worshipped -- that kept this being from negotiating with its ancient enemy, and that this being was utterly desperate to maintain its very survival or existence [strange for a seemingly immortal subspace being] and chose to resort to rebellion and terrorism in a desperate attempt to take control of the situation. Brown recieved a strong impression that this being was the ultimate universal terrorist!!! Apparently because of its all-consuming ego this being would NEVER humble itself before its 'enemy', and the same might be said for most of the upper echelon of the hierarchy who depended on the praise of their fellow collaborators to maintain their illusion of self-importance.

    These beings, one might say, had long ago and of their own free-agency 'imploded' in upon themselves -- becoming 'spiritual black holes' with all-consuming appetites, absolute astral vampirial-like parasites, having extinguished all 'light' within themselves and therefore being unable to be brought back "into the light". Incapable of giving out 'light', they have become totally reprobate, devouring any and all life and innocence around them that they can possibly consume. The leader of this subspace 'collective' had long ago drawn these other dark beings into itself, like a large black star devouring other smaller ones around it. This irreversible state MIGHT not apply entirely to ALL of these "subspace" beings, as we will see later on.

    Now if we go to the book of Revelation, chapter 12, we find that the ultimate leader of the serpent race's collective or 'hive mind' is Lucifer, also known as the "great red dragon", the "old serpent", "the Devil" or "Satan" in the same chapter. Lucifer was one of the three original archangels [aside from Michael and Gabriel] who each apparently had charge over one-third of the light beings whom the Almighty had created... possibly numbering in the billions or trillions.'

    [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap46wThyBnA"]YouTube - INTERVIEW WITH GOD[/url] [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZEO1Lug25s&feature=fvw"]YouTube - Joan Osborne - One of Us[/url][url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjZ-lSn0A3M&feature=related"]YouTube - Godless and free[/url] [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IvPIWzQcUY"]YouTube - The Great Dictator - speech[/url]
    [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY&feature=related"]YouTube - Where the Hell is Matt? (2008)[/url]

    I don't blame the Roman Catholic Church. This goes way, way back into antiquity...and is Luciferian. Human beings are not our enemies. Lucifer works through all religions...old and new. We live in a haunted planet. We are truly in a very spooky prison. If Jesuits choose to turn on Lucifer enmasse...the demonic reign of terror will probably end. The Jesuits may turn out to be the best friends of the human race. But if they do this...they may pay a very frightful price. We live in very interesting and dangerous times. Hang on folks.

    I enjoyed watching these videos...but there is truth and error to be found everywhere. Just don't choose one church or guru...and don't stop asking hard questions. I've learned a lot from New Age sources...and from Jordan Maxwell...but I have learned a lot from Roman Catholics, Atheists, Agnostics, Protestants, Etc, Etc. My mind is a real zoo of ideas. That's a scary thought...isn't it?

    antonia: Thank-you.

    tone3jaguar: I agree. I'm not an expert on this subject. I'm just trying to think about it...and get other people to think about it. What I presented in the first post is simply the way I am leaning presently. This could change completely and suddenly. I'm not blindly speculating...but I am speculating nonetheless.

    I feel like I'm fighting an uphill battle with this stuff. If I really understood what I'm dealing with...I'd probably leave the topic completely alone. We wrestle not against flesh and blood...but against principalities and powers...and spiritual wickedness in the heavenlies. The horror.

    I don't think evil is supposed to be here...but that it is part of the evolution of the universe. It may have been unavoidable. Again...I think that beings throughout the universe have done the best they could for billions of years...but have probably gotten it wrong over and over again. One would think that the God concept is the way things should be...but again...I presently think that it is impossible for a God to avoid becoming a Satan. Again...Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. This may be the Original Sin. The Mystery of Iniquity. This is why I am leaning toward a constitutional model of organized decentralized power...with Responsible Freedom as the Modus Operandi. This is not rocket science. It is really restating the obvious. But sometimes the obvious is obscure. I choose to eschew obfuscation!

    When this present darkness turns to brightness...I really and truly would sit down and have a bottle of fine wine with Lucifer...and I've never had a drink in my life. I just want the BS to end. I don't want revenge, vengeance...or even justice. I just want the bad guys and gals to become good guys and gals. Amnesty and Immunity in exchange for full disclosure, cooperation, and reasonable restitution...would be fine with me. Again...the BS simply needs to stop.

    I don't know if Lucifer frequents Avalon...probably not...but one never knows. I'm certainly not going to involve myself in rituals or exorcisms to get my 'opportunity' to interview Lucifer. Therefore...I sometimes address Lucifer...just in case. Hello Lucifer. Let my people go. Retire.

    Here is a link which is relevant to this thread. Zagami stated in the video interview with Forerunner that aliens are just a cover for demons. This source says the same thing: [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu5pNd5tDbA&feature=related"]YouTube - January 26th, 2008 - Part 2 (2nd Interview)[/url]
    I tend to think that both good and evil is hierarchical in nature...with leaders of both polar extremes. I guess I'd like to see this all go away. I really want the bad guys to become good guys. I'm really confused and conflicted about non human races. Should they be kept at a distance so they don't dominate and enslave us...or should they be completely involved in our society? If we extend the hand of friendship...will we lose our hand...and maybe everything else? Should Earth be completely human...for a while...until we get our house in order...and figure out what is really going on in the universe? Should a United Nations based upon the U.S. Constitution(my bias) be exclusively human regarding what happens here on Earth? I'm open and friendly...but still quite paranoid. At what point should an abused spouse become trusting?

    I don't trust what anybody says...period. I think Zagami is a real loose cannon for both the good-guys and the bad-guys. He must be a royal pain for the Jesuits. I think he is a very conflicted person. I really hope he survives. He seems to be into some very, very dangerous territory. He needs to totally commit to being a good-guy...sever all of his dark ties...and then have the best spiritual advisors and bodyguards possible...24/7.

    Could it be that malevolent ET's masquerade as God, Satan, Demons, Angels, and even Deceased Relatives? I'm leaning strongly toward the idea that it's Us vs Them...here on Earth at least. I don't doubt that benevolent ET's are out there...Human, Reptilian, and Grey...but I'm tending to think we are somewhat screwed for the time being. We need a Global Exorcism big-time. I could be very wrong...but this is what I presently think.

    I agree.

    Everyone should study theology and/or comparative religions...even if they don't believe. It seems that it is helpful to be religious...become disillusioned...and then regain faith through studying everything. But this can be an excruciating process. Many who lose their faith...never regain it. I experience spiritual agony and ecstacy simultaneously and continuously. :roftl: Sounds kinda kinky...doesn't it? :sneaky2: Call it 'Masturbation of the Mind'. :shocked: This has been known to cause spiritual blindness. :smoke:
    Everyone should struggle for ultimate truth...even if it is elusive.

    This thread is generating very little interest...and I'm not sure why. I think this thread contains some very interesting concepts and conjectures...along with some evidence...which I did not have when I starting posting some of these thoughts a year or two ago. I'm unsure about who Avalon regulars and visitors really are. I often think that the PTB spies who monitor this site just laugh...if and when sensitive information surfaces...because no one probably pays much attention to it! Right Lucifer?
    Is this a tempest in a teapot? Probably. But it sure is fun!

    Are the aliens who get shot down and tortured(sources?) benevolent or malevolent? Are they the same ones we interact with in Deep Underground Military Bases? Who really controls these bases? I enjoy life...and I count my blessings. However...I am paranoid regarding the New World Order, Fascism, Naziism, a Malevolent Alien (demonic?) Theocracy, etc. I really do want to interact with non-human beings...but the basic Teachings of Christ and the U.S. Constitution are two things that I do not want anyone...human or non-human to destroy. I am sick and tired of a very sick, stupid, and violent history of the world. I want the BS to stop...regardless of who is, or who is not, responsible.

    I had hoped for some more discussion regarding this thread. I don't care if the responses are positive or negative...I'm simply trying to generate some interest in some unorthodox views of theology...or demonology. This may be very, very important regarding figuring out what is really going on in the world...and in the universe. Try to think beyond Sunday school...and beyond the egomaniacal televangelists.

    Threads are so easily lost and buried. They can be hard to find...once they fade from view. Searches seemed to work better in the past. Has anyone else noticed this?

    Please consider the first post very carefully. I need some critical feedback. I'm trying to determine the level of my sanity...or insanity. I wish I were joking.

    Hollywood knows more than we Goyim know. Consider this...when considering this thread. Also...look at this Lone Gunman video clip which preceded 9/11 by six months. Note particularly the appearance of the remote control pilot at 7:47. In light of the rest of this thread...is the appearance of this individual significant? Was Lucifer the remote control pilot of the planes or craft which hit the Twin Towers and the Pentagon on 9/11? Was the controlled demolition remotely controlled from the same laptop computer? Do the orders still stand...for 'Earth Changes'? Lucifer...just call off the New World Order...institute Constitutional Responsible Freedom...and retire. You've earned it.
    [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=384CCzUKHtA&feature=related"]YouTube - The Lone Gunman, Pilot Episode (Air Date: March 4, 2001)[/url]

    Thank-you David. Can the scientific method be applied to these subjects? I think so. I see fudging and manipulation on both the believing and unbelieving sides. Positions are taken...and then defended by all means...both legitimate and illegitimate. The real truth may mostly be none of the above. We may all have to admit that we were wrong. But most people don't want to admit error...especially when it comes to belief systems. Keep searching...and be honest.

    I'm still interested in some detailed critiques regarding the first post...including all of the short video clips. For the real impact of what I am suggesting...repeated reading and viewing may be necessary. I know this takes time...and is a bit boring. There has to be a clergyperson or Jesuit who can skillfully disect this thread. I don't mind being wrong. In fact...I would prefer to be wrong this time.

    Please don't ignore this thread. This is not just a bunch of mumbo-jumbo. Is this subject too hard to think about? Is it perceived as being irrelevant? Or...is it just plain boring? Again...I would just like to hear various opinions and insights.

    Are we dealing with basically three physical/spiritual races? Humans, Greys, and Reptilians? Are these races in conflict with each other? Does this go back billions, or even trillions, of years? Is there a colorful orb at the end of the tunnel? Is it just a chimera...or an oncoming train?

    I'm presently leaning toward the idea that there are three basic races throughout the universe...human, reptilian, and grey...that they are all both physical and spiritual...and that they all reincarnate. There may be combinations and variations of these races...but that they are all based upon these three basic groups. I'm also leaning away from the idea that there is an all powerful, all knowing, all loving God...who rules over the universe. I'm seeing Star Wars...with the three races fighting to see who gets to be the Master Race. I'm also leaning toward the idea that here on Earth, at least, the reptilians and greys are secretly ruling the humans...and that this secrecy is coming to an end...and may result in a huge fight.

    My solution is to base everything on the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. Each race would use this document internally...to rule themselves with Constitutional Responsible Freedom...without interference from the other races. Then...in a Universal United Nations...based upon the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...the different races would interact with each other. Enslavement and Extermination would cease...permanently. No one would blindly submit to anyone or worship anyone.

    Constructive Competition would completely replace Destructive Competition. Positive Response Ability would replace Reactionary Retaliation. Constitutional Responsible Freedom would replace a Universal Church aka One Nation Under Satan aka The Old Universal Disorder Demonic Theocracy.

    I'm leaning toward the idea that there have been numerous Gods and Satans...human, reptilian, and grey...spanning billions of years...and that because absolute power corrupts absolutely...a new God quickly becomes a Satan...which results in a rebellion...which results in a new God who quickly becomes a Satan...ad infinitum...ad nauseum.

    I'm leaning toward the idea that Lucifer aka The God of This World...should turn the reins of power over to the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...and retire. Immunity in exchange for disclosure and cooperation might need to be part of the deal. Somehow...I don't think this is going to happen...but it should. Hope springs eternal.

    I don't doubt that a superior document could be produced...but the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights have been in use for centuries...are currently in use...are simple and to the point...and work very well when they are not ignored or subverted...as they have been, and are currently being, ignored and subverted in the United States.

    I'm just trying to test these ideas...and I need both positive and negative input to do so. Avalon seems like an appropriate forum for this. I hope this is a clear synopsis of the first lengthy post...and not reduced to the point of absurdity. If you have time...please consider the entire first post. This thread is more of a tentative suggestion...than a definite proclamation. I really don't know...but it seems to connect a lot of dots...and tie a lot of loose ends.

    Thank-you Ashatav. I have watched Walter Veith before...and I generally agree with his research and conclusions...although I do differ substantially with his primary theological foundation. I will watch this series of videos...and comment on them. Please...everyone should watch Walter Veith...even if you don't agree with his theological views. He presents excellent information. What did you think of my first post, Ashatav? Tell me what you really think...positive or negative. I'm sort of a Paranoid Lone Ranger right now...and almost everyone may angrily target me when they realize what I am really saying. I don't shout this stuff in the churches, state-houses, and universities. I just mumble anonymously on the internet...

    If there are indeed dozens or hundreds of races which are not based on the human, reptilian, or grey models...including the one with 30 arms...and the races with balls(I mean orbs)...and if these races have advanced beyond being warriors, exterminators, dictators, etc...then they probably wouldn't have a problem with Constructive Competition and Constitutional Responsible Freedom in the context of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. If what you are saying is true...it may be easier to solve the universal problems than I thought.

    Again...I'm not an authority with inside information. I'm simply trying to wade through the BS...in order to end the BS. I simply want the misery of All races(however many there are) to END.

    Could it be that humans, reptilians, and greys can spiritually manifest in an infinite variety of forms? Are many forms the result of horrible genetic experiments? I'm thinking that this universe is filled with deception, illusion, and unbelievable absurdities. I wish that it was isolated to this haunted insane asylum prison planet called Earth...but I presently think otherwise.


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    If the more advanced and benevolent races are unable to police the universe...then it sounds like it might be up to a critical mass of humans, reptilians, and greys...to choose to do the right thing...and bring law and order to this very screwed-up universe. I envision this as being an infowar...rather than a violent war. Violence Breeds Violence Breeds Violence Breeds Violence Breeds Violence Breeds Violence Breeds Violence Breeds Violence Breeds:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall: And God aka Satan aka Lucifer aka The Great Dictator is NOT the answer. That's how we got into this mess. If we try this madness one more time...with the hope that this time it will be different...there may be nothing left. Nothing. [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YSF5SfqF2o"]YouTube - Mos Eisley Cantina Scene from Star Wars[/url] [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kJkhEcQ44k"]YouTube - Richard Pryor -- Star Wars Bar[/url] [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-z54EP0EhM&feature=fvw"]YouTube - Sexy Cyborg![/url]

    Thank-you Brook. I tend to think that Armageddon would be a final human vs reptilian battle for Earth. I don't think this has to happen...and I don't want it to happen. There might be nothing left. Peaceful solutions are always better than violent ones. I keep telling Lucifer that he or she needs to retire. I'd prefer to see him or her switch rather than fight! Lucifer probably doesn't view Avalon...but one never knows!

    I think that there is a divinity which resides within humanity...and probably within reptilians and greys...unless they are simply covers for demons...as Leo Zagami and others have asserted. I don't know. But we seem to have difficulty with spiritual growth and development. It often seems like a losing battle. I just think we need to work very hard at being better and better humans, reptilians, and greys...every day...and in every way. We should try to be Christ-like...whether we believe in 'Christian' theology or not. To me...this boils down to Responsible Freedom...which I prefer to place in the context of the U.S. Constitution...rather than in any religious source material...including the Bible. I just want to see the United Nations based upon the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...and invigorated with Christ-like spirituality. There is a painting by Harry Anderson, of a gigantic Jesus knocking on the side of the United Nations building...seeking entrance. http://www.nathanshumate.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/princeofpeace.jpg I believe this entrance will occur when the U.N. Charter is rewritten to completely harmonize with the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. This is my bias...and I am testing it here in this forum. It's really very, very simple. But simple and elegant often work quite well. I'm leaning strongly toward a humanistic solution...rather than a theistic solution. This solution would include reptilians and greys...but no one would worship, enslave, or exterminate anyone. This is kindergarten stuff...really. Unfortunately...a lot of us behave as though we never passed kindergarten...

    I like the idea of recognizing the divinity within humanity in a non-arrogant sense. I like the idea of exalting humanity in an unselfish manner...rather than exalting the self in a selfish manner. Perhaps we have everything we need within ourselves...individually...and as a group...to save ourselves. Perhaps we do not need an external savior such as God, Jesus, Lucifer, Aliens, etc, etc. God may be within you...but with all due respect...I don't think you're God(this is not directed to anyone in particular).

    Thank-you macrostheblack. Sometimes I wonder if the original God somehow became dispersed throughout all life throughout the universe...and thus we are a part of God. Or...what if humans, reptilians, and greys...in physical and spiritual form...are the products of evolution and genetic engineering? What if this is the top of the food chain? I hope not! But what if? Why does there have to be a God? If God was necessary to create the universe...who created God? This is the sort of thing that can put one in the nut-house.

    I'm still waiting for a critique of the first post. I'm trying to think of who might identify with and agree with the editorial slant in that post. Bill Cooper and Alex Collier might...but beyond that...damned if I know. Actually...damned because of that first post!

    Thank-you for your thoughtful post. I'm a fan of the Teachings of Jesus...regardless of the source. I'd be a fan of the Teachings of Jesus...even if Jesus never existed. I'm also a fan of the work of Ralph Ellis regarding Jesus.

    Facing reality is extremely important. Embracing the dark side or rejoicing in iniquity seems to me to be highly problematic. I don't need to jump off a cliff...or bang my head against a brick wall :wall: in order to learn that this is a stupid thing to do.

    Please consider the following thread in the context of the current thread. This stuff requires a lot of hard work to get it right. I'm too lazy...so I hope some of the rest of you can figure this out! http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14402

    [quote=TraineeHuman;153664]Ortho: “Embracing your dark side” as I and Jung and the advanced forms of all the world’s religions etc mean that phrase (or similar) certainly doesn’t mean doing any destructive acts at all. I thought I’d already made that halfway clear, but apparently not. The “embracing” part refers to admitting your negative impulses to yourself – but with the result that you then don’t act on them (apart from beating up a pillow in private, etc). You don’t act on them because you’ve then – and only then! -- become aware that they can be dangerous. One thing in the background of all of this is the fact that most of the things humans do are controlled primarily by the subconscious / unconscious. As any psychologist can explain, humans mostly behave subconsciously/ unconsciously rather than with full awareness of what they are actually doing. And therefore personal/spiritual evolution always centrally involves becoming aware of things we hadn’t been aware of – particularly things about ourselves. Thus the “embracing” part means shining the light on those things, and certainly not laying further darkness on them.

    The whole point about one’s “dark side” is that one is unaware of, or lies to oneself about, it’s existence. That’s why it’s “dark”, or invisible, to oneself. I could give heaps of examples, but anything that’s “ego” is the dark side. To give an example of that, consider what Dr Phil calls “right-fighting”. That term refers to the reality that many people’s approach to any disagreement is to try to prove that whatever their position is is 100% right. The only reason such people behave that way is that to them every other alternative is outside their awareness, i.e. “dark”.

    The more fully one does “embrace” some part of one’s dark side, the more fully one heals it and transforms it into something positive. Here “embrace” doesn’t have the wider meaning of laissez faire, which I guess is what you’ve taken it to mean. Laissez faire parents neglect their children emotionally, and parenting of that kind sometimes creates criminals out of the kids, or at best the kids grow up psychologically messed up. That isn’t accepting (embracing) one’s kids at all. Equally, “accepting” and “embracing” one’s negative impulses means dealing with them realistically and organically and pying attention.[/quote]

    Thank-you for explaining and expanding. I think I did grasp the basic context and application of your use of the term 'dark side'. I am painfully aware of my dark side...and I intend to continue to do battle with it...rather than embrace it...regardless of any sophisticated definitions. The existence of our inside dark side should make us very suspicious of the 'God Within'...which could be the 'Satan Within'.

    On the other hand...I continue to address Lucifer in some of my comments. I'm treating Lucifer as an equal. I'm not fearful or worshipful...nor am I scornful or ridiculing. Perhaps this is my way of embracing the dark side. Jesus said to love others as much as we love ourselves...and to treat others as we wish to be treated. So...I guess I have tried to apply this to Lucifer. I try to imagine what it might be like to be this being. I find this truly frightening and upsetting. I'm sensing a very good being who tried to do the right thing...and ended up in a huge, huge mess...a bottomless pit, if you will. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. If I tried to be master of the universe...the same thing would happen to me. I might be a lot worse. Now that's a really scary thought. I keep trying to think of a way for Lucifer to retire without humiliation or destruction. How could such a being be helped to recover? Is this even possible? We don't need to replace Lucifer. We need to eliminate the job completely. Lucifer...your services are no longer required. Security will escort you to your mothership. You mother. Don't feel bad...Oedipus was one too. All of the mothers of Earth should get on this mothership...and take a tour of the universe...for recovering a$$holes. They could call it AA. I'm half joking...and half serious. I want the bad guys and gals to become good guys and gals...but they may have to leave us for a while in order to do so.

    Also...thank-you Jrod7. At what point does a human cease to be a human? At what point does a grey cease to be a grey? At what point does a reptilian cease to be a reptilian? What is Lucifer...really? An androgynous hybrid from Sirius...who looks like a young human woman?

    It's a real zoo. There are so many different viewpoints...and everyone thinks they are right. Once a position is taken...people tend to defend their decision...no matter what contrary evidence arises. Religions and belief systems(bs) are defended by both legitimate and illegitimate means. If you can't convince them...confuse them! I'm tending to be very fickle and wishy-washy these days. It's harder to hit a moving target! :tongue2:

    I'm still waiting for a detailed critique of my first post. The water's warm! Come on in!

    Thank-you mntruthseeker. I'm not an authority. I'm simply searching. I doubt that I'll ever get things figured out. Don't follow me...I'm lost too. I'd probably be fired by any church or university...and for good reason. I wouldn't appeal.

    I think we are told what we want to hear...and the politicians and clergy are afraid to tell us the truth. Demons sure know about Jesus. Good luck using another name in an exorcism. Albert Schweitzer was very critical regarding the historical Jesus...but very positive regarding the Teachings of Jesus. We have to figure this subject out for ourselves...and there is no easy way. But there is no question that there is spiritual power in the name of Jesus. Insiders are supposedly told not to talk about Jesus when approaching a reptilian. Hmmmm.

    I keep wondering about the biblical story of a third of the angels being cast out of heaven. Does this imply three basic races? I keep thinking that the humans were in charge...and mistreated and ridiculed the reptilians and greys...until the reptilians rebelled...and the greys got caught in the middle. I also keep thinking that the greys may have saved the human and reptilian races from exterminating each other. Is our present predicament 'payback time' by the reptilians against the humans? I don't know...but it seems that we are in deep trouble right now. To quote that great American...Rodney King...'Can't we all just get along?' Obviously not.

    Disclaimer: All of the above is educated speculation...and may be totally false.

    The subject of God is illusive...but it should be pursued whether one is a believer or an unbeliever. There are foundational principles and concepts contained within this study...but it can create issues. My protestant work ethic helps me make money...but my puritanical guilt complex won't let me enjoy it.

    Thank-you for reminding me about Credo Mutwa. I found his story quite convincing...although I had a hard time hearing and understanding him at times.

    Here is another perspective on God and Jesus: [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQqq3e03EBQ"]YouTube - Life of Brian[/url]

    There's got to be a Jesuit out there who can critique the first post of this thread. I'm really anxious to get some detailed feedback...even if it is devastating to the general editorial slant of that post. It's sort of like the soldier who puts his helmet on the end of his rifle...and raises it over a wall to see if anyone shoots at it. That's where I'm at. My mind is really not made up. I'm simply testing. This is only a test.

    OK...I'm going to try one more time. Is there anyone who can provide a critique of the first post of this thread? Do we have a 'confession' from Lucifer regarding the ordering of 9/11? I have suspected this for nearly two years. Obviously...this involves a lot of dot connecting...and is not straightforward. Consider the first group of videos as a whole. Please review this post...several times if possible...and tell me what you think. There is a lot to digest here...and a superficial look just won't work.

    What about you...Lucifer? Why not begin a dialogue here on Avalon? Again...I simply wish for you to retire. Being the God of This World must be one hell of a job. I think that it would drive any being crazy...human or otherwise. In the beginning...God should not have been God. But you should not have tried to become God in retaliation for God's original sin. The new commandment should be...'Thou Shalt Have No Gods...Period.' Why not step aside...with your hardcore followers...take a break...and then reenter interaction with the universe...as one of We the Beings...and not as God or Satan? If you change...your hardcore followers will undoubtedly change. Turn Earth(and the Universe?) over to Constitutional Responsible Freedom...not to any being...but to all beings. Tempted?

    Those of us in this forum are a lot more interesting than the Satanists, the Illuminati, the Vatican, the NSA, the CIA, etc. We're crazy mixed-up mortals who are very curious about things on the fringe. You might find our innocence to be refreshing and therapeutic. Oh I know...your IQ must be at least 1,000...and you've been deceiving us for thousands and thousands of years...but your New World Order is a very bad idea...for everyone...including you. Tempted now?

    Come on Lucifer! Comment! Everyone's doing it! What's the matter? Are you chicken? What's wrong with it? It won't hurt you to do it just one time! It feels good! So just do it! Unfortunately...you can't say that the devil made you do it! Can you? Come on! Loosen-up Lucifer! By the way...do you manifest in the form of a young woman? Is your name really Lucy Fir? Would you get mad if the Satanists chanted 'I love Lucy'? Come on Lucifer! Laugh!

    Lucifer...I mean no particular disrespect or respect. Do you respect all of the stupid mortals who bow down and worship you...or who don't believe that you exist? Of course you don't! I think that you are scared stiff of people like me...who believe that you exist...yet who don't fear, worship, or obey you...and who are trying to expose you...for who and what you really are. Now how about commenting on the first post of this thread. Was I close...or way off?

    Thank-you for yet another thoughtful comment.

    There are probably malevolent humans and aliens playing God. There are probably benevolent humans and aliens trying to counter the first group...by playing God themselves. There probably is no all knowing, all loving, all present, all powerful God who created the Universe and who reigns supremely over all of creation. I could be very, very wrong...and would gladly eat humble pie...and wash it down with a big cup of shut the...never mind. I picture Lucifer and friends as playing the roles of both God and Satan. Yet there seems to be a God and Satan within each of us. There seems to be an ongoing power struggle. To me...reading the Bible makes a lot more sense...if one reads it with all of the above in mind. But this can get very complicated and confusing...which is why I am trying to think of spiritual things in the context of the U.S. Constitution...with a particular focus on Responsible Freedom. This probably sounds corny...but we need very simple...yet effective solutions for humanity...or they will not work. In essence...I keep repeating that 2+2=4. I keep restating the obvious...because I fear that humanity is so screwed-up...that this needs to be done...for a while anyway. Sometimes...one must over-do in order to un-do. This is just how I see things presently. This could change at any time...and without prior notice.

    Regarding the exalting of humanity...what I mean is that I want everyone to make it and to do well. I will not consider that only a select few will make it. This is why I have no plans to escape the coming supposed calamities. I will go down with the ship...and would gladly give up my spot in a lifeboat to someone else. I like the soldiers and police who I deal with almost every day...so I don't intend to run away from them or fight with them...no matter what. Hell...I even want the alien races and Lucifer to survive and thrive. I know I'm living in a dreamworld...but I like my little dreamworld...called orthodoxymoronland.

    Lucifer...Is your situation similar to that of Colonel Kurtz in the movie 'Apocalypse Now'? Is this the situation of EVERY being who has EVER attempted to be God? The horror. I feel a bit like Charlie Sheen in this thread...Lucifer. But I don't want you to die. I just want you to retire. And then I want you to make sure that this BS never, ever happens again...anywhere in the universe...with any being. You can be the God-Cop(with very limited authority-obviously). Three commandments I give unto you: I. Thou Shalt Have No Gods. II. Thou Shalt Not Be A God. III. Thou Shalt Not Be An A$$hole. World Without End. Amen Ra. Fair enough? Any questions? Has anyone...going back millions of years...ever said anything like this to you? Finish the Job. Retire. Do It.[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iw1KobfPwk"]YouTube - Apocolypse Now!: Better angels of our nature[/url] [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BqloFdNq2Y"]YouTube - Gardenias[/url] [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGTe1vF679U&feature=related"]YouTube - Apocalypse Now - Kurtz Dies[/url]

    I'm still waiting for a reasonably detailed critique of the first post. I consider this forum to be sort of a brain-storming session behind closed doors. I realize that there are many visitors...but public exposure is very limited. Even among active members...there is very limited interest in this sort of thread. I suspect that the people who monitor sites such as this one...may be alarmed at times...but they shouldn't worry. Not yet anyway!

    This video clip helps to turn the subject of this thread in a positive direction. Listen carefully to the words of these astronauts. [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI1mEWp6fZE&feature=related"]YouTube - In the Shadow of the Moon (10 of 10)[/url]
    I know someone who was a young boy when the first Russian satellite was launched into orbit. At Christmastime, his church school teacher asked, "the wise-men looked up, and what did they see?" The little boy quickly answered, "Sputnik!"

    When the first manned Russian spacecraft reached orbit, the cosmonaut said that he didn't see God...

    Nearly a decade ago, I witnessed the re-entry of a Russian spacecraft! In at least half a dozen pieces! All brilliantly burning as they streaked across the night sky! An intoxicated man next to me thought he was hallucinating, and was relieved when I saw it too!

    Fast forward to February 1, 2003. I was working a night job, and at around 4:00 a.m. I told a fellow worker about the spacecraft incident. I hadn't talked about it for a long, long time. Then, minutes later, I heard the tragic news about the disintegration of the space shuttle Columbia. Probably just a coincidence, but I put the two events together in my mind, and it made a deep impression on me. While I was telling the story of the fiery spacecraft re-entry, the 7 Columbia astronauts had only minutes to live, and no one knew what was going to happen...no human anyway...

    Evelyn Husband, wife of mission commander, Col. Rick Husband, tells in the book High Calling of Rick's last written message:

    "Prior to launch, each astronaut fills out papers containing information for the Astronaut Office to keep on file in event of an accident. On the last page of this packet, titled 'Special instructions for Funeral Services,' there is a section called 'Other Special Instructions.' In this section Rick wrote, 'Tell'em About Jesus! - That He is real to me.' That's what Rick wrote down in case something happened. He wanted people to know about Jesus and His love. Rick's request has now become my life's mission statement, and I communicate that every chance I get."

    Regarding the Stargate video of Ra in the first post...I received this response:

    'Y'all love fantisizing over my ancestral decorations, places, spirituality that you don't get, the greatness you won't achieve, and the melanin you'll never have. This depiction of my ancestors is pathetic. Y'all always make them look just as degenerative and recessive as you. Anyway, play and have fun as much as you still can. Yes you are running out of time, and to be honest, there is absolutly nothing you can do about it. I have no mercy, you lie and mock and blasphem all the way to hell.'

    On another website...I received this message:

    'You know this isn't funny! The Lord God will judge you for claiming God ship. Just because God showed you a little bit of His secrets you think you know everything. He will NOT have mercy on you!'

    I once heard a mocking, sing-song, high-pitched feminine sounding voice...emanating from a usually deep and masculine voiced televangelist...directed toward me...in public...almost shouting 'That was gooooooood!!!!'...in reaction to a polite, well intentioned, and well reasoned comment by me.

    This was a short unedited internet exchange I had some time ago:

    ME: What if the aliens who have been here for thousands of years are the 'bad-guys'? What if we will need the help of good aliens from elsewhere to get rid of the demonic aliens who are already here? Could this be viewed as a hostile alien attack? I really don't know. I am just speculating.

    THEM: Try not to think in terms of good or bad. Understand this is not your planet. Then, understand nothing can be done to you that you don't do to yourself. Know that there are quadrillions of planets and they don't have a massive climate change every 26,000 years and violent deranged people like yourselves. Why on Earth would any race want to live here with you knowingly? The most intelligent life on the planet is not human.

    ME: I'll try not to think of the Iraq War in terms of good or bad. I'll try to be morally ambiguous. I might even become CIA or a CEO. Hey, maybe violent and deranged is neither good nor bad...but thinking makes it so. The aliens who are here need us to not get our acts together. If that happens...they'll probably have to live on Nibiru...or worse. Sorry for being a smart-XXX. Wait...I'm not sorry...it's neither good nor bad. I couldn't resist. I mean well. Really.

    THEM: And your point was?...............

    ME: Who owns earth? Where do humans belong? What is the most intelligent life on earth? If they are so smart, and earth is so bad...why are they here? I may be deranged...but I'm not violent. You sound as though you are not human...are you an alien? If so...what kind...and from where? My point was that ethics are supremely important. I don't hurt, kill, terrorize, or abduct people...but some aliens apparently do(as do some humans). They should stop.

    THEM II: Don't we like...create our own world? We're destroying our own world because our society isn't healthy.

    ME: Our planet is how we plan it. Perhaps we need to fire some people in the planning department. You're right...society is sick...mentally ill. Perhaps our world is the Devil's Island Insane Asylum of the Universe. But it seems that some of the inmates are getting well...and helping other inmates to get well. Jail Break! Jail Break! Free at Last! Free at Last!

    No further comments in this exchange. My questions went unanswered. The silence was deafening.

    Was that you Lucifer?

    Regarding the Stargate Ra video comment...many years ago a Roman Catholic musician related to me that a priest had asked 'What if God is a black woman?' I now wonder: What if this goes back to the Dogon Tribe or to Ancient Egypt? What if Lucifer aka The God of This World...is a young black woman(with the soul of an alien from Sirius)...The Prince of Sirius and The Prince of This World? What if Lucifer is a gorgeous Sex Goddess? Now I've really gone off the deep-end...right? I'm crazy...but I mean no harm. I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it! And I just love nuts on dates!

    Hey Lucifer...how about a debate-date? We could debate architecture, music, theology, eschatology, universal history, universal governance, transition of power, etc...at Mork 'n Ork's Grey Bar...on the Dark Side of the Moon! What exactly shall we talk about? We could discuss the Soteriological and Eschatalogical Implications of the Hybrid Nature of the God of This World...or Original Sin in Heaven: The Mystery of Iniquity in the Great Controversy Between the Reptilian and Human Races in the Conflict of the Ages. That would just be an appetizer. Protection would obviously be a major concern. You'd have to promise not to bite my head off on the first date. I'm not really into the really rough stuff...like black widow tough love. You're the one my mother warned me about...in the book of Revelation! The NSA wouldn't mind handling the logistics...would they? Do you mind if I call you Lucy? If the date goes well...I could say 'I love Lucy!' Notice the Satanic hand-sign at 2:24![url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7F2X3rSSCU&feature=related"]YouTube - Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds[/url]

    Here is another internet encounter which I found to be very interesting:

    Veronica: Mad humans always existed, just don’t blame their actions (if existed) to the Reptilians. Is too easy to say people are been led by other species evils than admit that there are humans nuts by themselves. Reptilians are good, they only approach a human when they fall in love, and to do good to the beloved person. Satan is a word that means "attorney" in the original language. It is not an individual, the word can apply to many alien lawyer that have nothing to do with humans.

    Orthodoxymoron: Is the Old Testament God really Satan...a Reptilian. Could the "attorney" definition have something to do with the legalism seen in the Old Testament? We humans are pretty disgusting in our own right...but I suspect that evil spirits and evil aliens make things a lot worse. Who is responsible for abductions, mutilations, etc? And what about the frightful appearance of alleged Reptilians. I'm not anti-alien...just anti-evil.

    Veronica: Thanks for commenting on my post, and for the opportunity of bringing up this subject. The Old Testament Satan came from a species called Man of Tri. He was a good guy, having a beautiful personal trajectory of defending social rights on his planet, extremely intelligent, only bright and right lawyers are chosen to be a Satan. At the time he arrived on Earth, unfortunately, he had become insane, and he did a lot of harm, but it was because he was ill. His species lives 8.000 to 10.000 years of Earth, and he stayed much of this time here, doing harm. As there was few personnel from other species working here, few angels and lots of work to do in those days, nobody caught him. I am not aware if Eden destituted him while he was alive, but he did not act as a Satan here, though he had the Satan seal because he was a nominated Satan ( by Eden High Council). He acted as an insane man, because he was maddened by an illness. See, there is Good and Bad, and there is Evil. Good and Bad are complementary in a context. Evil is out of place. This is because the source of Evil is an illness. It is a virus. We call it virus of Tri because was first detected there. This virus attacks a small percentage of most populations. All species are united to find the cure, all species have problems with maddened guys, and, as humans, in all species most individuals are good guys living by common sense and good social rules.

    Orthodoxymoron: Your website is very interesting. I'm wondering if you have heard of, seen or read a book titled 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen G. White? If so, what is your opinion? What is your opinion regarding the Teachings of Jesus? What is your opinion regarding the U.S. Constitution? What can you tell me about the New World Order? Is it really the Old Alien Order? Who was ultimately responsible for 9/11? Satan as a mentally-ill attorney is a fascinating possibility...

    Veronica: I will bring the answers here later, just stopped quickly now to thank you. The FAQ is stuck for lack of questions and you really do good ones.
    I don’t speak alone, I am supported by Lucifer embassy and by Eden. I got a long message from a Messenger Angel about these, it will take a while to translate, but I will let you know. Basically, about the book of Ellen White as well as the Teaching of Jesus, the message focus on the fact that we are the ones making the history now, there is no need to focus on history to know anything important. Each happening of history is fit for the time it happened. Constitution, summary: the real law is the law of Nature, not clearly understood yet, and the value of the C. relies on its closeness to the natural laws, not imposing limits to it. The C. is to assure freedom, but the freedom only exists when there is no need of law, be to limit, be to let free, other than the nature. As an overview, the U.S. Constitution is advanced, but not finished. Nature allow development and technology, as it works for the Aliens. What changes is the concept about life. New World Order never existed. If humans made their organizations, they were never powerful to threaten the entire world. Never existed an Alien Order, they are ordinary civilizations, with teachers and accountants and social philosophies, living well and satisfied, solving their problems as everyone else. I know it is hard to believe after all this negative marketing, but they are just here doing routine. About 9/11 the answer of the Angels is: All that participated of 9/11 are already dead.

    I will put the answers here if you don’t mind, not to overload the comments on the video. You are welcome. The old testament is genuine, it was transmitted by Eden, and the prophets translated the best they could, but the angel’s language is not a piece of cake, and there are many misinterpretations, specially after translated to other languages and analyzed. People have the right to know how things are. I am a fallen angel, you probably heard that we born in human form. We have being trying to tell these things for many millennia, but the kings always kill us and burn our books. But this time there is Internet. I am telling this things on You Tube because I am still not sure if the powers of human will not try to burn the books again, if we start to speak to many people at once. Though the world is more civilized now. When you feel comfortable you can visit my blog, there is many more there about the Creation. There is also a book for download, it is a poem done by me with the angel Ariel, that is my brother. It was done to heal the heart, when people sometimes feel tired of the harshness of life. All material there is free and Creative Commons, we don’t want anything from anyone. We speak because it takes us closer of home. Have a great week.

    About spirits: The spirits disturb, really. The fact is that spirits must remain sleeping, and when they are awake they do disturbance. What is important to understand is that never had, and there is not yet, personal enough to suffice the demand of work in Earth. The grays are the responsible to collect the lost spirits, this is part of their job and they are paid to do it and do well, but they are few with few equipment compared to the quantity of ghosts. If someone feel that is being disturbed, he must ask to the gray of his area to chase that specific ghost and the problem will be solved. They usually focus to sane the problems where more humans are being affected. To call the gray just make the request near one of their communication devices. These communicators are discretely placed where the community gathers to discuss the problems, such as churches or community centers, and by what they hear on these places they know where to act to solve the problems affecting more people at once. If someone speak to them directly pointing the problems, they can act more effectively.

    Mutilations: Aliens never mutilate. Not even the criminals. Simply because third dimensional material has no use for anyone but to those who live in it. Most aliens can jump from 3rd to 4th dimension, but their feeding and living is done in the 4th. The 3rd is just for work, tourism or study. For any alien species the bodies of the 3rd D are troublesome to deal with directly, and is pointless. The cattle mutilations are done by rats, birds and small animals. There is plenty of analysis of these supposedly mutilated by abduction corpses, and most of them point to very understandable causes, though there might be something bizarre on nature that we cannot understand. If you wish to research deeper, there is a complete article done by a Brazilian magazine called UFO with legists doctors examining many of these cattle. All of them concluded the mutilations were done by rats, that choose the soft parts to eat first – eyes, nose, mouth, ears, reproductive parts, and from these to inside. The opening made by the small creatures who live from corpses are generally perfect and round, and they eat first from inside, it is easy to see at an apple eaten by worms. From outside it can looks good, and the small hole is perfectly round.

    Real abductions: The Grays are the “nanny” of human species, as the human species of Gaia is young and still entitled do receive special care. Is the grays duty to assure that all human on the group under their care gets food, shelter and sanitary conditions ( not richness, it is only about the health). So, they ionize the air to kill bacteria, influence for resources to reach hospitals, researchers and sanitary organizations. The abductions occur when a special human individual gets ill, the “special” relies on fact that the person is a hub for the distribution of resources to many others humans. If that person gets ill many will be without resources and will be consequently ill too, so the grays operate this hub person so he can keep up as a resources distributor for that area. It is expensive for the grays, done rarely. But as humans start to communicate directly with the grays they might even buy this operations perhaps, paying by sending resources to other humans in need from that gray group. They do these exchanges with some sensitive’s, sometimes.

    Reptilian appearances: The Reptilians are moved by the heart. They fall in love with humans more frequently than you can imagine, then they try to approach the person and everyone gets scared. They are an old, old species, with all existential problems solved, so they live in search of love and adventure. They are scary, of rude gestures, and cannot communicate well with humans, so the misunderstandings and confusions they cause are huge, but there is always an impulsive Reptilian in love behind, usually he does not succeed in his affair, sometimes do. They can fall in love with a person, with a population, with a politic system, with a project being made, by an object or place. It has nothing to do with the “take the world” theories, even because they don’t have to take, the Earth belong to them, and the Angels protect Earth because of them ,as they don’t fit anywhere else, while humanoids can be taken to other places. They are rough in the outside, and most sweet on the inside. Here is their place, the humans just need to learn to understand them, and I am sure will be great for all. They love to have other species living here, when a civilizations ends they long for the next.

    I hope this information has a use for you. It is not something I read or heard, the source are the own Alien representatives. I took the task to clarify the misconceptions on the media on my group, and the intention is only to inform our point of view. I chose to speak person to person, with those who are interested on the issue, as being half-human myself.

    Veronica: Hello friend, You Tube is making me tired. It is like a rally road and I don’t like it, I am a girl. Here are most boys trying to combat, not to fix on the subject. For discussion, only you were interesting. Keep my e-mail if you wish. You are welcome to discuss anytime.

    Orthodoxymoron: Thank-you for your answers and comments. I hope that the internet and You Tube will help people to learn how to communicate more effectively and nicely. I hope things turn out well for everyone...humans, aliens, everyone. I even hope that Satan can learn to be happy without being mean and causing trouble. I don't want anyone to be miserable. Life should be enjoyed. I hope this universe can get past war. We should compete constructively...not destructively. Peace to you.

    I'm almost begging for someone (perhaps a new Avalon member) to carefully examine this thread...from the beginning to this point...and to provide a relatively detailed response to the overall picture which emerges. If you read every word...and watch every video...you may be amazed. In any case...I crave an intelligent discussion of the issues and concepts raised throughout this thread. It almost seems as though there is an insurmountable brick-wall which is keeping people from dealing with the details of this thread.

    I'm sorry you feel that way no caste. Perhaps you will not need pepermint to stay awake when the excrement really hits the air-conditioning...and the subjects which you found so very boring...spring to life. Unfortunately...it may then be too late. Perhaps the pepermint will then be necessary for other purposes. Good luck.

    I am presently traveling from thin-ice onto very thin-ice. Reader discretion advised.

    What if a Human Creator God...had absolute power...and became absolutely corrupted...and mistreated the Reptilians. What if this is Original Sin? What if the Reptilian Lucifer rebelled and destroyed this Human Creator God (was the New York Times right?)...and declared himself (or herself) to be the New God? What if this resulted in hundreds of thousands...or even millions of years of...Human vs Reptilian war? What if Earth history is a continuation of this conflict...with Lucifer playing God to the Human Race? What if all of the ancient deities were one deity...Lucifer? What if many of the major Biblical characters...including God, Moses, Jesus, Satan, etc...were all parts played by Lucifer? What if Lucifer is both good and evil...and is sort of a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde...and can be the best of the best...and then swing to being the worst of the worst? What if Lucifer tried to do a better job than the original Human God...but became even more corrupted by absolute power than the original God? What if most of the major wars and atrocities have been instigated by Lucifer...up to, and including 9/11? What if Lucifer is very seriously insane...yet very truly in complete control of this Solar System...if not the entire Universe? What if Lucifer is responsible for most of the major architecture such as the Pyramids and the Cathedrals...and much music and science...etc? What if Lucifer is presently contemplating the extermination of most of the Human Race...and the enlavement of the rest...with the Reptilians ruling openly...sporting their new 'Human' bodies?

    I sincerely hope that all of the above is utter BS...and pure, unmitigated popycock. But what if at least some of it is true? I've obviously oversimplified the theory...just to create a thumbnail sketch. I could say more...a lot more...probably too much. Please prove me wrong. I don't want any of this to be true. If it is...once again...I seek a Solar System based upon Constitutional Responsible Freedom...with No God...Reptilian or Human. I seek rampant Namaste...which would include both Reptilians and Humans. If Lucifer is playing God...I wish for Lucifer to retire and recover. Recovery may take hundreds, thousands, or even millions of years...but I do think that it is possible. Hope springs eternal. What do you think Lucifer? Can we stop the BS...and move on?

    Now you know that I'm utterly mad. Can you imagine what would happen if someone preached a sermon like this? That would be the last sermon they ever preached.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMub1_CdOrQ


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