It was a really good debate in the comments section of youtube. Bob won it easily
I doubt you'll read it but you should
Bob Burton 1 day ago
AGENT 99 Thank you for your excellent post. Like a number of others on here you actually get my point. The guilt you felt about disbelieving the religion you were forced into, is deliberately implanted at an early age. Children are sadly manipulated by religion and it seriously messes with their heads. Can you imagine my horror when a pervert preist grabbed me? I was 'chosen' to be an alter boy and my mother was overjoyed. To be honest, what he did wasn't really bad. He didn't rape me, but he was clearly grooming me towards that event. I knew it was wrong. I had also been led to believe god was watching every damn second of my life what I did, what I said etc, so I did what I deemed the right thing. For god. For the baby Jesus. The horror began when I reported him. That was when I witnessed the true hypocrisy of the church. In the sixties, corporal punishment was standard. Let me rephrase that - obligatory. Sparing the rod was never an option. Every day I went to school, the head nun called me into the office. "What happened on Sunday". She would ask. "Father Thomas touched me". I replied. "Liar"!!! She screamed at me and thrashed the XXXX out of me. "I'm not lying. Praying and ask god, he'll tell you". Thrashed more. Confused? I was seven or eight, not sure which. Not long after my first communion and that crap. This went on for weeks.
I didn't dare tell my mam, she'd probably have repeated the dose ffs. An older friend, who suffered the same treatment and knew what happened every morning, told me to lie. Say it never happened and it will stop, he told me. Lie to a nun? What would god think of that? Why was he letting it happen? He knew what happened, why wasn't he telling the bitch I was telling the truth? Naive I know, but I believed. Next morning I went in. Same old question. "Nothing", I said. She gave me a huge smile and hugged me. "There, that wasn't too hard was it". Opened her draw where the cane was and I froze. Thought it was a trap and now I was really getting it for lying. She pulled out a bar of chocolate and handed it to me. "God was testing you. You passed. Well done". From that point, even at a young age, I started asking questions. Yes, it was the people, but are we not told the church is the people? As you point out, even when caught, they shuffle them around and the abuse continues. A sexual frustrated nun should never be let loose with a cane, trust me.
A pervert priest should be dead, not moved. Was he the only one? XXXX no! I don't think I ever came into contact with a priest who didn't try to fondle me. I had a nickname for priests - octopus. Arms and hands everywhere! �� Your point on evangelical churches is so on point. Millionaires, demanding more money from people who think they can buy their way into heaven. Hypocrisy. It's all about after you die, never this life. I love it when I'm accused of 'propaganda'. All I've done is break religion down to its basics. If they think that's anti church propaganda, then maybe they need to re-examine their own faith, because I've nailed it. Do as the king and lord of the manor tells you. Pay your taxes. Pay the church, despite your family starving and he's a big fat pig. Never rebel. Pray every day. Accept your shitty life and you are guaranteed a place in heaven. The names of those in charge have changed, but it's still the same message. If anybody thinks that's anti church propaganda, then who's to blame for that? That is what they teach you after all. I have three children. I refused to allow the school to teach them religion and never allowed them to enter a church. I have wonderful morals. I passed them onto my children without the god crap and all three turned out to be fine adults. I taught them right from wrong - we know what that is. You don't need a hypocritical church, who have no morals at all, to teach morals. Christian values are fine, it's just a pity they don't practice what they preach.
Then you have idiots telling me how educated the poor were in the dark ages, when Christianity was spread by the sword. What a lie. And yes, the RC church kind of offered education, but it came at a price. None of them learned to read and write because an educated poor man was a danger to the ruling elite. As for learning Greek and Latin? Ha ha ha ha! Only the chosen few learned that. It cost to learn to read and write, which is why it was the dark ages. The only history was written by the church and royalty lovers. Earls, Duke, etc. There is no real history from those times. And of course, history is written by the Victor. Nuff said. Look what happened in Alexandria and the great library. Or the history of the Mayans and further back. Piled up and burned, because they deemed it heresy. To deny that is just ignorance. They raped and pillaged across South America 'for God and king'. Ditto N America. Yes, the slaves were owned by a lot of Jews, but there were as many Christian slave owners - more. How many converted to Judaism? The missionaries were all Christians. Work seven days, or convert and have Sunday as a rest day. Only a fool would not convert. Look how the elite control us now? How can anybody not see that religion was their greatest ever trick. And why am I still alive? �� This world could be a wonderful place, but it isn't. It's horrible. And if you try to question authority, they throw the guilt trip on you. It's wrong to kill the elite to free ourselves but perfectly alright to kill in wars?
Don't recall any subsections in the Ten Commandments, do you? 'Thou shalt not kill.... except in these conditions. �� Anyway, release that guilt. It's what they want you to feel because it helps control you. Did the Founding Father's not order you to question authority, to prevent tyranny? Is that not what the second amendment is all about? Now your told, once again, to accept everything they tell you as fact. To question 9/11 is deemed to be unpatriotic. It was a Mossad operation, paid for by their Saudi allies and assisted by Zionist traitors in the govt. Israel went on high alert when the Saudi sweep happened, because the truth may now come out. Saudis are now revealing the very close ties between these two alleged sworn enemies. So called religious countries, dragging the west into more wars that only serve their purpose. Truth is coming. The backlash will be fast and furious. Maybe now, finally, the elite will face the justice they've avoided all this time. Let's hope so. ��