Thank-you Mudra. You are SO low-key -- but so often you are SO profound. Ego is an interesting topic -- and a rather dangerous one. It's a real slippery-slope -- whichever way one goes. I've extensively participated in two religious organizations with two very different founders -- one Pro-Self -- one Anti-Self. I frankly cover the entire Self-Spectrum -- depending on the context. Politics, Religion, and the Ego is an interesting research topic. Is God Proud, Humble, or Both?? Is Satan Proud, Humble, or Both?? Should Humans be Proud, Humble, or Both?? Do Winners tend to be Proud, Humble, or Both?? Do Losers tend to be Proud, Humble, or Both?? I've been modeling the concept of a Human-God in this Solar System who is Both Proud and Humble -- and who is not particularly God-Like (according to the usual respectable stereotypes). Resolving the War in Heaven might have everything to do with a proper understanding of the Self and the Ego. Self-Exaltation is Self-Centered. Self-Degradation is Self-Centered. True Self-Esteem is Self-Forgetfulness -- such as when an athlete is confidently thinking only about the game -- and not about themselves. A Very Famous Televangelist yelled at me (in front of 40-50 people) when I told him that!! "That was Goooooood!!!!" At least he didn't slap me!!