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    The White Supremacist and fascist 'UFO Contactees'

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    Post  HigherLove Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:09 am

    Brook wrote:Vetting information of this nature would be citing people like Kevin B. MacDonald, psychologist form the University of California in his anti Semitic views....not some ex jewel thief turned car salvage king then "Institute"....LOL

    It carries far more weight in the overall sense as to such behavior..that a professor from a major University can get such works published. Keeping in mind this guy might have been teaching your children..... Shocked
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_B._MacDonald

    And another new ager had been citing him.... to quite some extent.... along with Rick Ross....

    http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/rickross.htm

    Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Enjoy your pint of Guinness Floyd...I'm off to work. The White Supremacist and fascist 'UFO Contactees' - Page 14 83084

    That's my girl...Oh honey have I ever learned so much from you this year. You always win and it is just a matter of time so I hope there is plenty of beer to go with that nasty fog headed toward England.

    Sincerely (what was it you called me Floyd? Something about an empty reptilian shell who....? It was bad. It is still posted). All of that because I posted a music video, and said perhaps I was a black woman trapped in a man's body.

    Two days ago that inner black woman helped me expose an unsolved crime. I notified all involved because it was true and I could not have known of it.

    I wrote all about it. I would have posted it in the "how has everybody doing thread", but it turns out people do not really want to know how people are doing, unless it is slathered in love and light. Even here, it is not allowed. Of course, you may also be quick to point out as did someone else that I have exceeded the number of times I can check in, there.

    My own "spiritual" home, and I have to remember to tone down the gay stuff because for some reason people who are unplugged from the Matrix still have some dogmatic fervor when it comes to sexuality.

    She gave me information. So sorry if she comes to visit you. She wants to see if you have any spiritual gifts or compassion without arrogance.


    Were you a contactee? If so, add yourself to your own list and be aware of your own prejudice. I can feel it toward me.


    Don't know what is in this for you anymore but you hurt people on purpose and you do not care.

    Please do not waste the few seconds it will take for you to come up with a response that would rip me to shreds. You have earned your doctorate in brutality, and I am no match for you. You would destroy me. I am afraid of you and now I am getting out of this thread, because in about 2 seconds you will rip me a new one, or tell me I am not worth it.


    Oh: For those who have not seen the obvious connection I have to Black Women, I just got a huge burst of energy. I wonder where it came from? Careful. Don't look at one of my posts....they contain letters that form words. I now get information downloaded directly, like a video book that I can open when I want and "read" the verbal/visual message.

    Clarissa has a new friend and traveling companion. I am covered on both sides of the veil. But, I am just a "nutter" (very different meaning in U.S. English, which gives it an hysterical meaning, really.


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    Please know that your efforts to support the Gay community are recognized. I saw that once and wanted to thank you, but was afraid of what you might say.

    As per my usual process (which I am tired of people telling me is not the "right" way to be enlightened), I have gone and mixed more than one issue...this is not all about you, so sorry about that.

    I am sure I will be reminded there is a category to box in this experience, but this is how it came out and here it is.

    Anybody else looking for opportunities to be offended? Here is an entire post. Wish granted. Or is it just the fact that "we" are here that the awake and aware cannot handle?


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    Post  Neteru Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:59 am

    Floyd wrote:
    Mercuriel wrote:Y'know - At this point My Question would be - I mean - As NO ONE seems as if They're going to escape Scrutiny...

    Whistle

    "Who do YOU think ISN'T a White Supremacist and fascist UFO Contactee ?"

    Who DOES meet witth Your approval ?

    Simply put - We've seen the Sources that You've got Issues with ? How about naming some of the Sources that You don't have Issues with ? Are there any ?

    Huh ?




    There are only a relativity small number of people (less than ten or 12 maybe)mentioned in this thread in relation to the subject matter. Im sure the majority are not mentioned so therein lies the answer.

    This thread is not about that the ones that are not associated with the subject matter though If someone would like to begin one that would be marvellous and fun.
    Perhaps they could call it, 'the non white supremacist UFO cults and ST Germain movements'

    Im only interested in this topic presently so I hope thats ok.

    I know this thread upsets people and annoys others because some people perhaps actually agree with the philosophies of the individuals and cults mentioned here which if it is the case I find both interesting and alarming at the same time.

    I cant put it more simply than that quite frankly.

    I have never said anywhere in this thread that all contactees are fascist neo nazis.
    Its been a very telling journey though.


    My personal opinion is that you are trapped in an endless cycle of disinformation. None of it can be proven beyond mere outdated texts. My first hand experiences prove that your information is false. True UFOlogy has nothing to do with Nazism. I have been contacted before by a red haired human, "nordic" ET. Am I a Nazi now by default? Am I a "white supremist" now? Should I be added to your "evil list"?
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    Post  Lionhawk Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:17 pm

    Floyd wrote:
    Mercuriel wrote:Y'know - At this point My Question would be - I mean - As NO ONE seems as if They're going to escape Scrutiny...

    Whistle

    "Who do YOU think ISN'T a White Supremacist and fascist UFO Contactee ?"

    Who DOES meet witth Your approval ?

    Simply put - We've seen the Sources that You've got Issues with ? How about naming some of the Sources that You don't have Issues with ? Are there any ?

    Huh ?


    There are only a relativity small number of people (less than ten or 12 maybe)mentioned in this thread in relation to the subject matter. Im sure the majority are not mentioned so therein lies the answer.

    This thread is not about that the ones that are not associated with the subject matter though If someone would like to begin one that would be marvellous and fun.
    Perhaps they could call it, 'the non white supremacist UFO cults and ST Germain movements'

    Im only interested in this topic presently so I hope thats ok.

    I know this thread upsets people and annoys others because some people perhaps actually agree with the philosophies of the individuals and cults mentioned here which if it is the case I find both interesting and alarming at the same time.

    I cant put it more simply than that quite frankly.

    I have never said anywhere in this thread that all contactees are fascist neo nazis.
    Its been a very telling journey though.

    I have to hand it to you Floyd. Your response to Mercuriel was such a kiss XXX job!

    I think what upsets people, is how you promote hate. Worse yet is how you have caused others, who never sought to harm you, pain, with your false judgmental accusations. I have seen this in the first hand. Meanwhile you can brush that off in the second hand with your arrogant attitude. Another thing is that there were no apologies made to those you attacked. Those that didn't deserve any of what you dished out. Am I judging? How can you not? You attacked without provocation. Is that a manly thing to do or what? Or is it the same kind of thing you find yourself barking about with your lists? Miss quoting folks just to agitate them is another provocation. And you're going to sit there and call me hypocritical? WHooaa!

    I did leave this thread. But you went and lashed out your rage and hate, and now I find myself back here because of your control issues. Or lack of control. Simply put, you attacked some of my friends. What would you do if I was to attack yours? All things considered, I have been nice about it. With your attempts to distort what has been really been going on here, I just want folks to know how you have been distorting the facts. Stereotyping. Which is also manipulation on many levels.

    Again, your disconnect to the Planet is obvious, judged by your actions of spreading hate and lashing out and hurting folks. Now you are going to tell me how this Planet needs fixing? Whooaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Then you are going to steer the audience by making me look like the bad guy, as if I'm the one who is in the wrong with the same distaste you have applied to your postings. Wow!

    Why not add up the total feedback and see if you can find a common theme here as to what I am trying to point out to you. I think it is being said by other posters as well. If your consciousness is stuck, you might have problems with that and lash out once more to free yourself from the very flypaper you find yourself standing on.

    This is getting interesting. sunny

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    Post  Floyd Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:44 pm

    Here is an interesting free ebook on Lyndon LaRouche

    http://lyndonlarouche.org/newamericanfascism.htm

    LYNDON LAROUCHE AND THE NEW AMERICAN FASCISM
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    Post  HigherLove Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:02 pm

    Bye Floyd...you can get really drunk now. You and burgundia can have an orgy and feast on all of this, while the Thubans do the math and explain how it all works.

    Carol....I am so disappointed in you.

    I pointed out my error, first.

    Thanks for nothing.

    Floyd:

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    Post  Floyd Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:40 pm

    The LYM is one of his many organisations. This guy is the classic paranoid James Bond Villain in many respects.

    http://www.rickross.com/reference/larouche/larouche62.html
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    Post  Floyd Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:10 pm

    Oh by the way Brook. I realise that you only quote Rick Ross's website when it suits you. Then you rant about him.

    But that's ok. Many have probably gained knowledge from his website including you.

    Brook wrote:




    According to former senior members, Gnostics teach "witchcraft: meditation, astral projections, telepathy exercises, awakening of inner powers..." Among their basic methods is 'sexual alchemy', i.e. sex without orgasm, which aims in spiritual development! According to Veor, Christ and His... wife, practiced sexual alchemy, so Christ became a... superhuman. By these methods, Veor (who claimed to be an incarnated fallen angel), would form a New Race, whom he would lead to a secret place, to save it from destruction...

    "


    http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?5,933





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    Post  Brook Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:34 am

    Floyd wrote:Oh by the way Brook. I realise that you only quote Rick Ross's website when it suits you. Then you rant about him.

    But that's ok. Many have probably gained knowledge from his website including you.

    Brook wrote:




    According to former senior members, Gnostics teach "witchcraft: meditation, astral projections, telepathy exercises, awakening of inner powers..." Among their basic methods is 'sexual alchemy', i.e. sex without orgasm, which aims in spiritual development! According to Veor, Christ and His... wife, practiced sexual alchemy, so Christ became a... superhuman. By these methods, Veor (who claimed to be an incarnated fallen angel), would form a New Race, whom he would lead to a secret place, to save it from destruction...

    "


    http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?5,933






    Nice try Floyd...however not quite correct and rather misleading of course....the link you're quoting is in a post right on the top which I copied as well from a completely different forum....

    http://cultbustersgalactica.yuku.com/topic/127#.T0jgx-QYGd5

    Where in the post they quoted a Rick Ross forum post in fact it's right at the top of the post that link...I just copied parts of the post and it's links.....AND I even made a disclaimer that and I quote...

    "I didn't write this.....it's here with a whole plethora of other things...some cult buster forum...."

    Here is the complete post you're referring to....

    http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t3132p60-meanwhile#68928

    What I did find interesting is the Lyndon Larouch Watch link I posted on the subject....which was again with a whole plethora of links I posted in the same post.

    http://sacred-sex.org/methodology/for-young-people/210-sex-and-teenagers.html

    http://sacred-sex.org/scriptures/judaism/82-talmud-emission-masturbation.html

    http://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/dope15.pdf


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samael_Aun_Weor

    I suppose you have a problem with that eh? Because two of those links are directly from the site We are You keeps spamming our forum with....these two are particularly disturbing...
    http://sacred-sex.org/methodology/for-young-people/210-sex-and-teenagers.html

    http://sacred-sex.org/scriptures/judaism/82-talmud-emission-masturbation.html


    One of which and again I quote the site.....

    Gnosticism recognizes the sperm as the Chaos from which life emerges with intensity; this is why the ancient medieval alchemists—Paracelsus, Sendivogius, Nicholas Flamel, Raymond Lully, etc.—studied with profound veneration the Ens Seminis as the mercury of the secret philosophy.

    Yes, this Vitriol is a true elixir that is intelligently elaborated by nature within the seminal vesicles. Indeed, within this mercury of ancient wisdom, within this semen, all the possibilities of existence are found.

    It is regrettable that because of the lack of true psychological orientation, many young people surrender themselves to the vice of masturbation, or lamentably deviate from normalcy towards the infrasexual path of homosexuality.

    Intellectual information about many subjects is given to children and young people, and they are physically trained in different sports whose abuse miserably shortens their life; thereafter, when the sexual energy appears—which is the energy that blooms in adolescence—regrettably, teachers and parents, based on a false Puritanism and on stupid morals, resolve to remain criminally silent.

    Criminal silences exist as well as infamous words. Thus, to keep silent about the sexual problem is a crime; likewise, to mistakenly speak about the sexual problem constitutes another crime.

    Consequently, if parents and teachers keep silent, and the sexual perverts speak, the victims are the inexperienced adolescents. If adolescents cannot consult their parents nor their teachers, then they will consult their classmates, who may already be deviated towards the mistaken path. Thus, the outcome does not take a long time to appear, and the new adolescents—by following false advice—give themselves to masturbation or deviate themselves from normalcy towards the path of homosexuality.


    Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is from the site that again We are You keeps SPAMMING here at the mists.....


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    Post  Brook Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:58 am

    Now...Floyd....just to give you a little Edumacation......LOL

    This group of Samael Weor.....and Gnostic CULT has a symbol.....check it.....at the top of the link is a SYMBOL.....a circle with a cross in it....

    http://sacred-sex.org/methodology/for-young-people/210-sex-and-teenagers.html

    See it? .........good!

    Now do you have any idea what that symbol is? Well allow me.....

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    The sun wheel is used as the symbol of the Aryan race.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race

    (you have to scroll down a bit)

    Tempelhofgesellschaft

    A neo-Nazi esoteric Nazi Gnostic sect headquartered in Vienna, Austria called the Tempelhofgesellschaft, founded in the early 1990s, teaches a form of what it calls Marcionism. They distribute pamphlets claiming that the Aryan race originally came to Atlantis from the star Aldebaran.

    that symbol also has other origins....but this one is quite disturbing....

    You think it has some connection Floyd? You tell me Floyd...you're the expert.....Weor (who claimed to be an incarnated fallen angel), would form a New Race,"
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    Post  Brook Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:05 am

    One more thing I'd like to point out about our member who is spamming.....We are You

    in his signature is this link....

    http://www.giantredplanet.com/

    about a book written by V.M. Rabolu..... It is part of Samuel Weor and this MOVEMENT.....

    http://gnosisaquariussamael.net/master_rabolu_biography.html

    Written support from V.M. Samael to V.M. Rabolu and the New Order
    AUTHORIZATION FROM V.M. SAMAEL - October, 15 1975, Patriarchal
    Headquarters of Mexico, considering indispensable establish The Law and the
    Order on the Christian Gnostic Universal Movement, authorizes the Venerable
    Master Rabolu (Joaquin Enrique Amortegui Valbuena), to legislate, transform,
    judge and resolve problems related to the Christian Gnostic Universal
    Movement in general.

    Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!....check this out.....
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5HfS-hy1x8


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    Post  Brook Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:44 am

    Lyndon larouche.....Now there's a subject. Having a Jewish name as I do.....I would be among the roughly 99% that did not vote for him had I been a resident of Virginia.....when he ran for ran for Congress in 1990, seeking to represent the 10th District of Virginia, but received less than one percent of the vote.

    He's a stale wild card. But I'd like to point out something I've been seeing on all of these forums that DIRECTLY connects his mind set from seeing ANTI ZIONIST movements and the JEWS....of which I cringe a bit at times...thank GOD I've only got the Jewish name and am not included as a ZIONIST as well as a White supremest and part of a demonic cult!

    Here is a bit on Larouche.....


    From the mid-1970s onwards, the mainstream press and other commentators alleged that LaRouche had fascist and anti-Semitic tendencies. Paul Montgomery wrote in The New York Times that the charges dated to around 1976, when LaRouche's U.S. Labor Party began to include Zionist and Jewish groups in its stories about conspiracies. It started a campaign against the Anti-Defamation League of B'Nai Brith (ADL), which included setting up a group called "The Provisional Committee to Clean Up B'Nai Brith." Montgomery wrote that material sold by LaRouche organizers in airports and shopping centers included a book that said Jews dominated the drug trade with the help of Jewish bankers. This, despite the fact that the LaRouche movement had Jewish members who had been recruited from the 1960s student movement.

    LaRouche maintained that he was anti-Zionist, not anti-Semitic. When the ADL accused him of anti-Semitism in 1979, he filed a $26-million libel suit; Justice Michael Dontzin of the New York Supreme Court ruled that it was fair comment, and that the facts "reasonably give rise" to that description. LaRouche said in 1986 that descriptions of him as a neo-fascist or anti-Semite stemmed from "the drug lobby or the Soviet operation—which is sometimes the same thing," and in 2006 wrote that "religious and racial hatred, such as anti-Semitism, or hatred against Islam, or, hatred of Christians, is, on record of known history, the most evil expression of criminality to be seen on the planet today." Antony Lerman wrote in 1988 that LaRouche used "the British" as a code word for "Jews," a theory also propounded by Dennis King, author of Lyndon LaRouche and the New American Fascism (1989). George Johnson argued that King's presentation failed to take into account that several members of LaRouche's inner circle were themselves Jewish. Daniel Pipes wrote in 1997 that LaRouche's references to the British really were to the British, though he agreed that an alleged British-Jewish alliance lay at the heart of LaRouche's conspiracism.

    Manning Marable of Columbia University wrote in 1998 that LaRouche tried in the mid-1980s to build bridges to the black community. Marable argued that most of the community was not fooled, and quoted the A. Philip Randolph Institute, an organization for African-American trade unionists, declaring that "LaRouche appeals to fear, hatred and ignorance. He seeks to exploit and exacerbate the anxieties and frustrations of Americans by offering an array of scapegoats and enemies: Jews, Zionists, international bankers, blacks, labor unions-much the way Hitler did in Germany." During LaRouche's slander suit against NBC in 1984, Roy Innis, leader of the Congress of Racial Equality, took the stand for LaRouche as a character witness, stating under oath that LaRouche's views on racism were "consistent with his own." Asked whether he had seen any indication of racism in LaRouche's associates, he replied that he had not. Innis received criticism from many blacks for having testified on LaRouche's behalf

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche

    Now ....having posted this....I've seen the trend of this Zionist vs Jew movement in the alternative forums for quite some time. I've kept my mouth shut due to my association as a JEW....but make no mistake....I've taken notice. In fact it's very prevalent here on this forum.....from many posts I've seen. So what gives? Got an answer to that? Because I'm fresh out.

    All I know is ...there is a push for a "one world government"...and in that push....it the trend for a "one world religion". What happened to freedom of race and religion?



    Racial equality......just look at the Native American plight and their road to freedom....it's non existent. It that Zionist? Jewish? European? Again I'm fresh out ....and you can all point the finger which ever way you choose.....









    Lives in the balance....


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    Post  Lionhawk Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:50 pm

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    Post  Neteru Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:18 am

    Just to really stir up the ants we can debunk the whole "demonic" element. At least philosophically speaking. If you research Luciferianism, you will find that it has nothing to do with "hate" or "evil." Indeed it is a "religion" which focuses on attaining knowledge. Knowledge of science, occult, etc. Lucifer, the Light Bearer, and father of Illumination, and of the First Knowledge, gave Adam the first glimpse of the Mysteries that the entity known as "god" (whom is not really God according to what I believe), denied he and his wife. They found out that they could know Polarity. They found that they had Will. Eve, being the intuitive one, was approached first, and she enlightened her husband. Then "god" became furious that he had lost control over Adam and Eve. They were banished. Lucifer was wrongly cast from heaven and his "demons" are the ones who sided with him.

    That is the "gist" of it from what I know. Not even "satanists" or "Lucifereans" worship evil entities. Most who subscribe to the "left hand path" either follow the Light Bearer or they are pseudo-atheist in nature. Some even would rather follow deities completely outside of Biblical paradigm such as members of the Temple of Set. There is nothing "white supremacist" about the "devil." ETs have nothing to do with "demons" or "fallen angels." I will never understand where such a connection was ever drawn. That beings of pure energy (which angels would be) would need ships, flying saucers, and technology when they have the power to fly, walk through walls, cross through dimensions at will, and manipulate the elements is beyond me. Personally I think that the idea of ET life threatens the religious crowd and they use "satan" and "demons" as an excuse to box away a modern phenomena, which threatens their bubble of illusions, where it can be labelled as "pure deception." Then they can ignore it. How convenient. Crazy Happy Crazy Happy Crazy Happy


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    Post  Chimpsky Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:23 am

    Neteru wrote:Just to really stir up the ants we can debunk the whole "demonic" element. At least philosophically speaking. If you research Luciferianism, you will find that it has nothing to do with "hate" or "evil." Indeed it is a "religion" which focuses on attaining knowledge. Knowledge of science, occult, etc. Lucifer, the Light Bearer, and father of Illumination, and of the First Knowledge, gave Adam the first glimpse of the Mysteries that the entity known as "god" (whom is not really God according to what I believe), denied he and his wife. They found out that they could know Polarity. They found that they had Will. Eve, being the intuitive one, was approached first, and she enlightened her husband. Then "god" became furious that he had lost control over Adam and Eve. They were banished. Lucifer was wrongly cast from heaven and his "demons" are the ones who sided with him.

    Be very wary of thes people, they are VERY persuasive, and very dangerous, know them by their deeds not their words, they do not create, only approriate, steal & pervert. They love jargon. In the end the universe runs on one set of universal laws, not personal realities or beliefs, these people want their own universe free from the universal laws.

    Neteru wrote:That is the "gist" of it from what I know. Not even "satanists" or "Lucifereans" worship evil entities. Most who subscribe to the "left hand path" either follow the Light Bearer or they are pseudo-atheist in nature. Some even would rather follow deities completely outside of Biblical paradigm such as members of the Temple of Set. There is nothing "white supremacist" about the "devil." ETs have nothing to do with "demons" or "fallen angels." I will never understand where such a connection was ever drawn. That beings of pure energy (which angels would be) would need ships, flying saucers, and technology when they have the power to fly, walk through walls, cross through dimensions at will, and manipulate the elements is beyond me. Personally I think that the idea of ET life threatens the religious crowd and they use "satan" and "demons" as an excuse to box away a modern phenomena, which threatens their bubble of illusions, where it can be labelled as "pure deception." Then they can ignore it. How convenient. Crazy Happy Crazy Happy Crazy Happy

    I think you have this thread about face, these groups are psuedo political in nature, and use the trappings of occultism to obscure what they really are, so the symbols are borrowed, and are in this context, meaningless. They almosy certainly have never seen a UFO never mind met ET, its all hype to pull people in.


    Neteru wrote:If I wasn't already on the list of "illuminati forum infiltrator cultists" I am now for sure. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
    You are about as far from that as is physically possible old chap alien
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    Post  ceridwen Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:20 am

    Gnosis is badly understood because there are contemporary people who have abused the term for their own purposes, there were many schools of gnosis in ancient times and here is a video about it with Elain Pagel is an internationally recognized scholar



    As for Samael Aum Weor my research indicates that he is a gnostic revivalist that made a melagge of thought currents and did incorporate tantric sex to his teachings. The sexual conduct was not liberal, students were required to be in stable relationships, if the tantric relationship were to break up, students had to wait one year before finding another partner I am told. In south america where this cult was promoted, particularly Mexico and Colombia, there is a strong catholic influence and a "sexual cult" would have been closed down in no time. That said Samael like many other revivalists grew to big for his own shoes and became a "visionary" giving "prophesies" that never came to pass. Some people are still awaiting Hercobulus and the mind wonders on whether that was the origin of the contemporary planet X myth. As far as I have investigated the "secret of the nuptial chamber" was given verbally and only after students have completed the whole of their program that took between one and two years

    My understanding is that after Samael's death, groups disbanded progressively but the groups were independant and not supervised so who knows what happened in individual groups. That Samael could have been misguided does not mean that all gnostics are bad nor that all gnostic teachings are good. It depends on the sect and there were hundreds in ancient times

    Today care is require when considering joining a gnostic group same as one will have with any church, religious current, philosophical group, etc. Things happen and abuse in our contemporary times is common

    I am not a gnostic but I have looked at their material some years ago

    My 02 cents
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    Post  Beren Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:50 am

    All societies or groups who carry hidden knowledge which is revealed thus only to initiated ones are dealing in fear based mode, hence whatever they reveal to others will lead to enslavement of others to ones who perceived themselves to be enlightened when in fact they were mislead by even larger force known in many works as Lucifer or similar.

    Key thing to a being who experience low conscience is to lift them up not lead them astray by promoting false truths and twisted reasoning.

    By promoting itself as the only light bearer Lucifer was promoting himself or itself as the only light that is in the same time forgetting who is the source of all light and what light is.
    You cannot usurp light for yourself and claim to be it then.

    Demons and devils are souls who made themselves being that. In core they are sparks and souls of Creator who chose to be what they are.

    Again by influence of certain spiritual forces upon various secret groups -white supremacist groups and thoughts emerged . Thought that I am better than you because I am white and you are black or colored is stupid in its core.
    It`s like one kid says I am better than you because I have T shirt and you have a shirt.
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    Post  Chimpsky Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:15 am

    ceridwen wrote:
    As for Samael Aum Weor my research indicates that he is a gnostic revivalist that made a melagge of thought currents and did incorporate tantric sex to his teachings. The sexual conduct was not liberal, students were required to be in stable relationships, if the tantric relationship were to break up, students had to wait one year before finding another partner I am told. In south america where this cult was promoted, particularly Mexico and Colombia, there is a strong catholic influence and a "sexual cult" would have been closed down in no time. That said Samael like many other revivalists grew to big for his own shoes and became a "visionary" giving "prophesies" that never came to pass. Some people are still awaiting Hercobulus and the mind wonders on whether that was the origin of the contemporary planet X myth. As far as I have investigated the "secret of the nuptial chamber" was given verbally and only after students have completed the whole of their program that took between one and two years

    My understanding is that after Samael's death, groups disbanded progressively but the groups were independant and not supervised so who knows what happened in individual groups. That Samael could have been misguided does not mean that all gnostics are bad nor that all gnostic teachings are good. It depends on the sect and there were hundreds in ancient times

    Today care is require when considering joining a gnostic group same as one will have with any church, religious current, philosophical group, etc. Things happen and abuse in our contemporary times is common

    I am not a gnostic but I have looked at their material some years ago

    My 02 cents

    Thank you, you are the first person to make a level headed and fair evaluation of Samael Aun Weor and the movements that appeared in his name.

    Some of the remarks so far have been utterly ludicrous, such as the Gnostics taught witchcraft, frankly there is more chance of your local Synagogue holding pork sausage making classes.

    And yes the tantric element was only for married couples in their own homes, and was not openly taught.

    What has been overlooked is that it was a highly democratic organisation, and no one was asked to believe anything at all, the two main thrusts were ;

    Work on the ego through self observation

    Verifiy the teachings for yourself through meditation & astral projection. Talking about things you had merely read was frowned upon by both Samael & Rabalou.

    I wouldn't touch any of the "Gnostic" groups that have spun off, or claim to be the true line etc, in my personal experience they are full of charlatans & halfwits.
    However none of them are in any way racist or political, so its not really a subject for this thread, maybe the subject warrants its own thread ?

    There is one particular BS merchant & his ghastly wife that are selling that which they got for nothing and harming people in the process.......
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    Post  Chimpsky Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:25 am

    Beren wrote:All societies or groups who carry hidden knowledge which is revealed thus only to initiated ones are dealing in fear based mode, hence whatever they reveal to others will lead to enslavement of others to ones who perceived themselves to be enlightened when in fact they were mislead by even larger force known in many works as Lucifer or similar.

    Key thing to a being who experience low conscience is to lift them up not lead them astray by promoting false truths and twisted reasoning.

    By promoting itself as the only light bearer Lucifer was promoting himself or itself as the only light that is in the same time forgetting who is the source of all light and what light is.
    You cannot usurp light for yourself and claim to be it then.

    Demons and devils are souls who made themselves being that. In core they are sparks and souls of Creator who chose to be what they are.

    Again by influence of certain spiritual forces upon various secret groups -white supremacist groups and thoughts emerged . Thought that I am better than you because I am white and you are black or colored is stupid in its core.
    It`s like one kid says I am better than you because I have T shirt and you have a shirt.

    I completely agree, however there is a huge difference between groups that reveal "knowledge" at certain stages / initiations / payments, and groups that teach methods to gain knowledge by ones self.(Especially if it is for free)

    One of the oddest things about right wing racist types is using Christianity to justify hatred of Jews, do these boneheads not realise that Jesus & all the disciples were Jews Huh ?
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    Post  Beren Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:31 am

    [quote]One of the oddest things about right wing racist types is using Christianity to justify hatred of Jews, do these boneheads not realise that Jesus & all the disciples were Jews The White Supremacist and fascist 'UFO Contactees' - Page 14 599874 [quote]

    Yes and that is one of the favorite hing to be used by ones who deceive masses. Steal the "angel" cloak and do what you wish and all will follow your lead...

    Luckily by their deeds will they be revealed.

    Not every society or group is negative or bad. Depends of the motives of such groups.
    Jesus was telling people this precise thing : where there are two or more in the spirit of truth ,love - holy spirit - I am there with them...

    Lacmus test for all is the spirit they carry and deeds they do.
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    Post  Lionhawk Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:57 am

    #7609 Which World Are You In

    "Which World Are You In
    With all the new energies coming in it seems people are wigging out projecting
    and transmitting energies to fictitious enemies. Some are completely unaware of
    where these energies are coming from. There is often more than one source. It is
    a multilevel problem yet the point of power lies within self. There is the
    reactionary mind and the wounded ego always looking for external sources and
    boogey men as the source for their anger and unhappiness. The wounded ego; which
    will go to the greatest lengths to validate and justify external forces, others
    as the source of their problems and unhappiness rather than go within and
    observe the reoccurring patterns. It will try to gather others to support its
    cause to maintain itself as victim or validate the external enemy. They will
    have a long list of people and events to validate external forces responsible
    for their anger, sadness and victimization. Yet if we magnetize to us people,
    places and events then where does the responsibility lie? If we are creating
    from reactionary mind and a wounded ego what are we creating? We often project
    on others until they become the projections or finally set a firm boundary.

    If you are constantly transmitting anger, fear, judgment, victim patterns to
    others they will eventually react in the same manner or become the projection
    unless they are firmly established in their own center. Only when one is
    centered and healed can they really see the big picture. Nothing is ever as it
    seems and we live in a world of opposites and illusions, fictitious assumptions
    and creations until we master our selves and start operating from creationary
    mind. The creationary mind is coming from ones Godself and the reactionary
    mind is coming from the ego.The ego is very tricky and often will assume the
    position of the voice of God which could never possibly be wrong. There are
    great masters supporting at-one-ness, unity consciousness, peace, harmony,
    service to others just as there are darker forces supporting all the baser self
    centered me thoughts coming from the ego with all its wounds of the past.

    What it all boils down to what are you transmitting, what are you focusing your
    attention on, what are you allowing to channel through you? The observer is the
    point of power not the runamuk ego blaming and projecting everything external
    creating fictitious enermies and allowing darker forces to feed off of and
    energize these be lie fs. Most of the time it is just a matter of reframing the
    experience, look at it with the eyes of gratitude, focus and be grateful for
    what you have, what has been given. Much of what is given and of true value may
    not meet your egos specifications yet spiritually you have abundance. We have
    two worlds from which to choose and at any moment we can step out of the ego,
    let go of the fictitious enemies, stop the negative transmissions, forgive and
    look through the eyes of gratitude. Then the people, places, things and events
    in your life transform. We can continue to project, blame, transmit and feed the
    baser world thus it being the world in which we live. It has always been a
    matter of choice and consequence as well as where you focus. I personally want
    to focus my energy on the awakening and healing process from creationary mind
    rather than being depleted and redirected due to dramas created by those who
    resist their own healing process and persist in making it everyone elses
    problem. As a sensitive the projections and transmissions suck yet underneath
    all this craziness is the healing.Maintaining the levels of sensetivity to
    communicate with the spiritually and technologically advanced off worlders while
    at the same time dealing with the baser energies and projections is quite an
    art. My advice to the Pleadians is we are not ready, do not subject yourself to
    these energies and now I fully understand why you remain in the heavens making
    yourself known to only a few. I fully understand why your would not want to
    engage with or take this aboard your ships. It is up to us to rise to the
    occasion."

    James Gilliland www.eceti.org


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    Post  Brook Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:23 am

    Okay...I'm baaack....

    Having a bit of experience in this anti Semitic relationship gives me a bit of platform to speak. As I've stated before I have a Jewish last name....although I'm not Jewish....my son is. He was never raised as Jewish and knows very little of Jewish religion except for the few Hanuka parties we attended and menorah lighting ceremony's we participated in. Other than that he knows very little. Which also makes it a bit humorous that anyone would think I would belong to such a group either. I mean come on seriously?!?
    Rolling Eyes

    Having explained that....we lived in
    Lancaster California....which I came to find out was one of the largest headquarters for the KKK . This was around the 90's...and there was this group called "Nazi Low Riders"....a viscous neo Nazi prison street gang proliferating Lancaster. They were traced to the Aryan Brotherhood and in this same town so was the WCOTC....World Church of the Creator. Needless to say I was scared silly for my son in the local school system knowing these idiots can easily recognize an obvious Jewish name. I moved out of that town as fast as I could. According to these groups Jews have no soul.

    I highlighted
    Lancaster CA as you will see the reference to Wesley Swift and this church he started there.

    Now in this thread several times....names have been cited of groups of extremists and white supremacists. And several times I've stated that "Origins" would be a good place to start. I didn't start this thread...but if you're going to bring this to light as a serious subject....it would be a good place to look. Why Floyd has not brought this to light is beyond me.

    So...what I'm going to site here next...take note link police...I did not WRITE what I'm about to post..and I will provide links...but let's get to some origins....losing the UFO theory for a moment...as that is also an ORIGIN to look into...but first...the crazed origins of mad men and their truly twisted beliefs....where this all stems from in the greater sense of things.....


    Christian Identity


    Christian Identity is a label applied to a wide variety of loosely affiliated believers and churches with a radicalized theology. Many promote a Euro-centric interpretation of Christianity.

    According to Chester L. Quarles, professor of criminal justice at the University of Mississippi, some of the Christian Identity movement's followers hold that non-Caucasian peoples have no souls, and can therefore never earn God's favor or be saved. Believers in the theology affirm that Jesus Christ paid only for the sins of the House of Israel and the House of Judah and that salvation must be received through both redemption and race.

    In many variations of Christian Identity thought, a key commonality is British Israelism, which teaches that many white Europeans are the literal descendants of the Israelites through the ten tribes which were taken away into captivity by the armies of Assyria. Christian Identity asserts in addition that these (White European) Israelites are still God's Chosen People, that Jesus was an Israelite of the tribe of Judah, and that modern Jews are not at all Israelites nor Hebrews, but are instead descended from people with Turco-Mongolian blood, or Khazars, or are descendants of the biblical Esau-Edom, who traded his birthright for a bowl of lentil stew (Genesis 25:29–34).

    Modern Identity Christianity evolved from the nineteenth-century doctrine of British Israelism. The ideological transformations that would arise from [a theology originally favorable to the Jews] into the racist and anti-Semitic doctrines of Christian Identity took place in the interwar years of the twentieth century....While it is impossible to locate the precise moment at which modern Identity Christianity was born, several key events are particularly notable. A 1930 Bible conference brought together a number of leading American British Israelites, including Howard Rand, the head of the Anglo-Saxon Federation of America.

    The Christian Identity movement first received widespread attention by mainstream media in 1984, when the white nationalist organization known as The Order embarked on a murderous crime spree before being taken down by the FBI. Tax resister and militia movement organizer Gordon Kahl, whose death in a 1983 shootout with authorities helped inspire The Order, also had connections to the Christian Identity movement. The movement returned to public attention in 1992 and 1993, in the wake of the deadly Ruby Ridge confrontation, when newspapers discovered that former Green Beret and right-wing separatist Randy Weaver had at least a loose association with Christian Identity believers.

    No single document expresses the Christian Identity belief system; however, adherents draw upon arguments from linguistic, historical, archaeological and biblical sources to support their beliefs. Estimates are that these groups have 2,000 to 50,000 members in the United States, and an unknown number in Canada and the rest of the British Commonwealth.

    Christian Identity believers reject the beliefs of most contemporary Christian denominations. They claim that modern Christian churches are teaching a heresy: the belief that God's promises to Israel (through Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) have been expanded to create a spiritual people of "Israel", which constitutes the Christian "Church". In turn, most modern Christian denominations and organizations denounce Christian Identity as heresy and condemn the use of the Christian Bible as a basis for promoting anti-Semitism. Adherents of Christian Identity claim that Europeans are the true descendants of the biblical Jacob, hence they are the true Israel, and that it is those who are against the interests of European-descended Christians that are the true anti-Semites.

    Origins

    Christian Identity (CI) emerged as an offshoot sect from British Israelism in the 1920s and 1930s Relation to British Israelism

    Paradoxically while early British Israelites were philo-semites such as Edward Hine and John Wilson, Christian Identity emerged in sharp contrast to be strongly anti-semitic. The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) describes the emergence of Christian Identity from British Israelism as an 'ugly turn':

    An Ugly Turn - Once on American shores, British-Israelism began to evolve. Originally, believers viewed contemporary Jews as descendants of those ancient Israelites who had never been "lost." They might be seen critically but, given their significant role in the British-Israel genealogical scheme, not usually with animosity. By the 1930s, however, in the U.S., a strain of anti-Semitism started to permeate the movement (though some maintained traditional beliefs - and a small number of traditionalists still exist in the U.S.)

    Another source describes the emergence of Christian Identity from British Israelism as a 'remarkable transition', also noting that traditional British Israelites were advocates of Philo-Semitism which paradoxically changed to antisemitism and racism under Christian Identity. In fact, British Israelism itself had several Jewish members and it received support from rabbis throughout the 19th century and within British politics it supported Benjamin Disraeli who was descended from Sephardic Jews. However, Christian Identity which emerged in the 1920s, began to be antisemitic teaching that the Jews are not descended from the tribe of Judah (as British Israelites maintain) but are instead descended from Satan or Edomite-Khazars. The British Israel form of the belief held no anti-Semitism, its followers instead held the view that Jews made up a minority of the tribes of Israel (Judah and Benjamin), with the British and other related Northern European peoples making up the remainder.

    Early years

    Christian Identity (CI) has first been traced back to the 1920s to Howard Rand (1889–1991).

    Rand was a Massachusetts lawyer who obtained a law degree at the University of Maine. He was raised as a British Israelite, and his father introduced him to J. H. Allen's work Judah's Sceptre and Joseph's Birthright (1902) at an early age. While Rand's father was not an antisemite, nor was even Rand in his early British Israelite years, Rand first added to British Israelism in the 1920s an antisemitic element. He claimed as early as 1924 that the Jews were not really descended from the tribe of Judah, but were instead the descendants of Esau or Canaanites. Rand never though claimed that modern Jews were descendants of Satan
    , or were in anyway inferior, just that they were not the true lineal descendants of Judah. For this reason Rand is considered a 'transitional' figure between British Israelism and Christian Identity, but not its actual founder. However Rand first coined the term 'Christian Identity'. Rand had set up the Anglo-Saxon Federation of America in 1933 which promoted his view that Jews were not from Judah, which marked the first key transition of British Israelism to Christian Identity. Beginning in May 1937 there were key meetings between British Israelites in America who were attracted to Rand’s new theory that the Jews were not really from Judah. This provided the catalyst for the eventual emergence of Christian Identity, and by the late 1930s the Jews were considered to be the offspring of Satan and were heavily demonised, as were non-Caucasian races.
    William Dudley Pelley, founder of the fascist Silver Shirts movement, also promoted an anti-semitic form of British Israelism in the early 1930s. Links between Christian Identity and the Ku Klux Klan also emerged in the late 1930s.

    Key developers


    Wesley Swift (1913–1970) is considered by the FBI to have been the single most significant figure in the early years of the Christian Identity movement. Swift was born in New Jersey, and eventually moved to Los Angeles in order to attend Bible college. It is claimed that he may have been a "Ku Klux Klan organizer and a Klan rifle-team instructor."
    In 1946, he founded his own church in Lancaster, California. In the 1950s, he was Gerald L. K. Smith's West Coast representative of the Christian Nationalist Crusade. In addition, he had a daily radio broadcast in California during the 1950s and 60s, through which he was able to proclaim his ideology to a large audience. With Swift's efforts, the message of his church spread, leading to the creation of similar churches throughout the country. In 1957, the name of his church was changed to The Church of Jesus Christ Christian, which is used today by Aryan Nations (AN) churches. One of Swift's associates was retired Col. William Potter Gale (1917–1988). Gale had apparently been an aide to General Douglas MacArthur, and had coordinated guerrilla resistance in the Philippines during World War II. Gale became a leading figure in the anti-tax and paramilitary movements of the 1970s and 80s, beginning with the California Rangers and the Posse Comitatus, and helping to found the militia movement. Numerous Christian Identity churches preach similar messages and some espouse more violent rhetoric than others, but all hold to the belief that Aryans are God's chosen race. Gale introduced future Aryan Nations founder Richard Girnt Butler to Swift. Until then, Butler had admired George Lincoln Rockwell and Senator Joseph McCarthy, and had been relatively secular. Swift quickly converted him to Christian Identity. When Swift died, Butler took over the Church, to the apparent dismay of both Gale and Swift's family. Neither Butler nor Gale were anything like the dynamic orator that Swift had been, and attendance dwindled under the new pastor. Butler eventually renamed the organization "The Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations" and moved it to Hayden Lake, Idaho.

    Lesser luminaries were also present as Christian Identity theology took shape in the 1940s and 1950s, such as Baptist minister and California Klansman San Jacinto Capt (who claimed that he had introduced Wesley Swift to Christian Identity), and one-time San Diego Deputy City Attorney (and lawyer for Gerald L. K. Smith) Bertrand Comparet (1901–1983). But for the most part, today's Christian Identity groups seem to have been spawned by Wesley Swift, through his lieutenants William Potter Gale and Richard Butler.



    Ideology, tenets and beliefs

    Christian Identity asserts that the white people of Europe or Caucasians in general are God's servant people according to the promises that were given to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. It further asserts that the early European tribes were really the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel and therefore the rightful heirs to God's promises, and God's chosen people.


    Two House Theology

    Like British Israelites, Christian Identity (CI) adherents believe in Two House Theology. However the major difference between British Israelism and CI is that British Israelites have always maintained that Jews are descended from the tribe of Judah. In contrast, while also maintaining a Two House distinction, Christian Identity proponents believe that the true lineal descendants of Judah are not contemporary Jews, but instead White Europeans who settled mainly in Scotland, Germany, and other European nations, alongside the House of Israel. They are Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Germanic, Nordic, and kindred peoples. Some CI scholars teach that many contemporary Jews are the descendants of Cain, in support of their position and that Cain was the spawn of Satan.


    Adamites and pre-Adamites

    A major tenet of Christian Identity is Pre-Adamism. Christian Identity followers believe that Adam and Eve gave birth to the White race only and that that Adam and Eve were preceded by lesser races non-Caucasian races often (though not always) identified as "beasts of the field" (Gen. 1:25); for example, the "beasts" which wore sackcloth and cried unto God (Jonah 3:Cool are considered Blacks. To support their theory on the racial identity of Adam, Christian Identity proponents point out that the Hebrew etymology of the word 'Adam' translates as 'be ruddy, red, to show blood (in the face)' often quoting from James Strong's Hebrew Dictionary #119 (1890) and from this conclude that only Caucasians or people with light white skin can blush or turn rosy in the face (because hemoglobin only appears under pale skin). Proponents of Christian Identity believe that Adam was only created 6,000 years ago, while the other non-Caucasian races were created during far older epochs that occurred on the other continents.

    Dual Seedliner Christian Identity proponents (see Serpent Seed), believe that Eve was seduced by the Snake (Satan), shared her fallen state with Adam by lying with him, and gave birth to twins with different fathers: Satan's child Cain and Adam's son Abel. Cain then became the progenitor of the Jews in his subsequent matings with the non-Adamic races. This is referred to as the two-seedline doctrine. This doctrine is a revival of a medieval folk belief ascribing the ancestry of legendary monsters such as Grendel to Cain.

    A big influence on the Christian Identity movement's views on pre-Adamism was a book published in 1900 by Charles Carroll entitled The Negro a Beast or In the Image of God. Carroll concludes in the book that the White race was made in the image and likeness of God and that Adam gave birth to the White race only, while Negros are pre-Adamite beasts and could not have possibly been made in God's image and likeness because they are beastlike, immoral and ugly.
    Carroll claimed that the pre-Adamite races such as blacks did not have souls. Carroll believed that race mixing was an insult to God and spoiled God's racial plan of creation. According to Carroll the mixing of races had also lead to the errors of atheism and evolution.


    Creationism

    Christian Identity proponents are Old Earth Creationists, but believe that Adamic man (who they believe was the father of the white race or Caucasians) was only created around 6,000 years ago, while they also believe that the Universe, Earth is billions of years old and that non-Caucasian races were created hundreds of thousands or even millions of years ago.

    Wesley Swift strongly criticised Young Earth Creationism and the traditional Judeo-Christian view that Noah's flood was global, but instead believed that the flood was only local and that the Earth was billions of years old. Christian Identity adherents claim that the flood in Genesis only rose high enough to drown the region of the Tarim Basin below sea level (Gen. 7:20) and that therefore the Hebrew word "eretz" which appears in those verses should be rendered "the land" (as in a specific place) rather than "the earth."


    Racialism

    Racialism, or race based philosophy is the core tenet of Christian Identity, and most CI adherents are White Nationalists or support racial segregation.
    Some believe that Jews are genetically compelled by their Satanic or Edomite ancestry to carry on a conspiracy against the Adamic seedline and today have achieved almost complete control of the Earth through their illegitimate claim to the white race's status as God's chosen people. As a general rule, Christian Identity followers adhere to the traditional orthodox Christian views on the role of women, abortion, and homosexuality, and view racial miscegenation as a sin and a violation of God's laws as dictated in Genesis of "kind after kind" (Ex. 21:22, Lev. 20:13).




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    British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is the belief that people of Western European descent, particularly those in Great Britain, are the direct lineal descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel. The concept often includes the belief that the British Royal Family is directly descended from the line of King David. There has never been a single head or organisational structure to the movement. However, various British Israelite organizations were set up across the British Commonwealth and the America from the 1870s, and many still continue to exist.
    Adherents may hold a diverse set of beliefs and claims that are ancillary to the core genealogical theory, but there are central tenets that all British Israelites follow, including Two House Theology, which is at the core of British Israelism. A central teaching of the British Israelites' Two House Theology is that, while Jews are considered to be Israelites, not all Israelites are considered to be Jews. British Israelites believe that Jews descend only from the tribes of Judah and Benjamin), while the House of Israel gave rise to the White British or Anglo-Saxon-Celtic kindred peoples of northwestern Europe.

    History

    Modern scholars trace the origins of British Israelism to the 1860s and 1870s. However, there were predecessors of the theory before it became established as a movement.


    The idea that the British descend from the ten lost tribes of Israel can be traced to various works from the early modern period (c. 1500 - 1800). Adherents of British Israelism claim that earlier sources exist, such as ancient or medieval manuscripts. but these are disputed.

    The earliest known advocates of British Israelism include M. le Loyer, an early 16th-century French Huguenot magistrate; Adriaan van der Schrieck, a Flemish scholar . Vincenzo Galilei; the English antiquarian Henry Spelman; Jakob Abbadie; and John Sadler

    Some modern scholars have proposed that British Israelism grew out of earlier schools of thought, in particular various schools of "Phoenicianism" or "Orientalism" that developed from the 18th century. In the early 20th century, the archaeologist R. A. Stewart Macalister said that it was "very popular" for earlier writers to ascribe a Middle Eastern or Central Asian genealogy to the peoples of Ireland or Britain. Charles Vallancey, for example, published a work in 1772 attempting to prove that the Irish language was Phoenician, while John Pinkerton's A Dissertation on the Origin and Progress of the Scythians or Goths (1787) attempted to show that the Scots were Scythians who had originated in Central Asia. The historian Sharon Turner later used Pinkerton's research and identified the Saxons as being Scythian. Other works such as Eastern Origin of Celtic Nations by James Cowles Prichard attempted to prove a Far Eastern origin for the Celts. In Ireland there also developed a popular school of "Phoenicianism" in which some historians, such as Joaquín Lorenzo Villanueva (1837). attempted to link the Irish to ancient Phoenician settlement. Early British Israelites relied on such literature for historical evidence, but also used the Bible as support

    Most contemporary scholars, including Professor Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke, identify the most inflential writer who gave birth to the British Israelite movement as John Wilson. During the late 18th century, under the influence of a religious climate of Millenarianism, British Israelism emerged as a distinct ideology, based on the preaching and writings of Richard Brothers. It is generally considered that British Israelism was first founded in England, from where it spread to the United States. Brothers was the first to expound a version of British Israelism, but he lacked credibility due to his (alleged) mental illness. Having prophesied the end of the British monarchy, he was imprisoned in an asylum for the criminally insane. Modern adherents of British Israelism have denounced the view that Richard Brothers had anything to do with originating their doctrine. They point out that Brothers considered himself a descendant of King David, and not the British royal family. Other key texts of this period included Ezra Stiles' The United States elevated to Glory and Honor (1783) and the Chronicles of Eri (1822). Wilson adopted and promoted the idea that the "European 'race', in particular the Anglo-Saxons, were descended from certain Scythian tribes, and these Scythian tribes (as many had previously stated from the Middle Ages onward) were in turn descended from the ten Lost Tribes of Israel". Wilson's ideas were to be refined, and new ideas were developed, well into the second half of the 19th century. Wilson gave public lectures to spread his message, but did not form any organisation or movement. John Wilson published Our Israelitish Origins in 1840.

    Now...there's a whole lot more "history" you can read on the link I will provide...however..I will add the last part here....

    Offshoots of British Israelism

    There are various offshoots of British Israelism, most of which emerged in the late 19th century or the early 20th century, including Dutch Israelism, Nordic Israelism and French Israelism. A more racialized form of British Israelism, which promotes antisemitism, emerged in the 1920s and 1930s, and is sometimes called Christian Identity.
    Christian Identity teaches that Jews do not descend from Judah (as British Israelites maintain) but from Satan. Another key teaching of Christian Identity is that non-Caucasian people do not have a soul and therefore cannot be saved.

    The rest is here at this link..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism

    Edward Hine.....

    Edward Hine (1825–1891) was an influential proponent of British Israelism in the 1870s and 1880s, drawing on the earlier work of Richard Brothers (1794) and John Wilson (1845). Hine went as far as to conclude that "It is an utter impossibility for England ever to be defeated. And this is another result arising entirely from the fact of our being Israel."


    Influence

    Hine's ideas thus influenced the nascent Anglo-Israelite movement in the United States, where they are still advocated by some Christian white supremacist fringe groups, which turned to antisemitism, Clifton A. Emahiser's "Church of True Israel" identifying the Anglo-Saxons as the true Israelites and the modern Jews with the Canaanites which must be exterminated according to Jewish law:

    Maybe Great Britain is unaware that the Canaanites are the “Jews”, as we have the same problem in the United States today. Yahweh commissioned Israel to completely exterminate every Canaanite on the face of the earth, thus we better know for sure who they are.

    Likewise, followers of the Christian Identity movement claim that they are descendants of the Biblical Israelites, whereas the Jews are the children of Satan. This development is an inversion of the motivation of Hine, who was in fact a philo-Semite. The Worldwide Church of God of Herbert W. Armstrong also perpetuated Hine's identification of Germany with Assyria, adding the comparison of the Nazi Holocaust with the destruction of Israel by Sargon II, into the 1980s.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Hine

    another one to look at is Richard Brothers.....

    Richard Brothers (December 25, 1757 – January 25, 1824) was an early believer and teacher of Anglo-Israelism (alias British Israelism, a theory concerning the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Brothers


    That's about a good start to the "Origins" and some of the "origins" of this thread. You'll notice many of the names here in this thread that Floyd has provided are within this text I just provided. But I will say...there is plenty of evidence that leads to political issues and this link you should take note of. This will bring it full circle in many respects. Most notably the ANCIENT ORIGINS....which have not been covered here either.

    The White Supremacist and fascist 'UFO Contactees' - Page 14 United_states_and_Britain_in_Prophecy_front_cover_Armstrong

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism

    Next order of "ORIGINS" would be to tie in the occult and UFO theory that has been added to this to make this thread complete in the area of ORIGINS. Now wouldn't that make some sense of it all?



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    Post  ceridwen Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:19 am

    Brook I kinda think is all a bit OTT...the BNP might believe all that but this is the UK, the average person does not have time for these things or to go to church. Church is over, haven't you noticed? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/secondaryeducation/8501012/David-Cameron-under-pressure-to-boost-religion-GCSEs.html

    Churches are closing down and being sold for conversion into private dwelings

    The elites might believe all these nonsense but who believes in the Elites? They are mocked right left and centre and submited to scrutiny so much so that the Queen was denied the yatch she wanted for her jubilee http://thevileplutocrat.com/bile/articles/queen-denied-new-yacht-for-her-diamond-jubilee/

    Things have changed for the Christian church so much that they are asking for reforms to protect the rights of Christians http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/9106059/We-need-reforms-to-protect-the-rights-of-Christians.html



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    Post  Brook Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:29 am

    Allow me to make another interesting connection. If you had a map...it would look basically like this....

    Edwards AFB-----Lancaster CA----Lockheed Skunkworks----Palmdale CA

    While I was in Lancaster which was full of people who worked or were stationed in the military at Edwards AFB or worked at Lockheed or JPL (Jack Parsons Labs)....there were many rumors of a race riot ready to erupt due to the fact that many black families were moving into Palmdale/Lancaster area because house prices were very affordable. Noting the map line from Edwards AFB and Palmdale.....needless to say....I was very concerned I would wake up to a burning cross on my front yard. And the primary reason I got the hell out of there as soon as I realized the connections.


    keep in mind this Nazi Low Rider group that was based partially in Lancaster.

    In March 1999, in Lancaster, California, two reputed members of the Nazi Low Riders (NLR), a vicious neo-Nazi skinhead prison and street gang, attacked an African-American Wal-Mart employee with a hammer. The two, Shaun Broderick and Christopher Crawford, were charged with attempted murder and two counts of assault. This was not an isolated incident -- NLR members have committed a number of violent racially motivated attacks in Lancaster.

    Danny Edward Williams, another NLR member, was apparently on a mission to "rid the streets of Lancaster of African Americans," according to the Los Angeles Times. In April 1996, Williams and fellow NLR member Eric Lance Dillard used a baseball bat to beat a Black teen-ager on the streets of this municipality located in Los Angeles County. In July of the same year, Williams and Dillard attacked two African-American men, stabbing one of them several times in the back. In June 1998, Williams and Dillard received prison sentences for their role in the two attacks.



    http://www.adl.org/issue_combating_hate/nazi_low_riders.asp

    so...connect some dots....

    Jack Parsons: OTO member and the occult roots of NASA....

    http://www.bariumblues.com/jpl.htm

    http://www.excludedmiddle.com/jack_parsons.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Whiteside_Parsons


    Space shuttle Lockheed skunkworks where the space shuttle was assembled....between Lancaster and Palmdale. Which included some Engineers from JPL

    Lancaster: Headquarters for a major KKK assembly




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    Post  Brook Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:35 am

    ceridwen wrote:Brook I kinda think is all a bit OTT...the BNP might believe all that but this is the UK, the average person does not have time for these things or to go to church. Church is over, haven't you noticed? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/secondaryeducation/8501012/David-Cameron-under-pressure-to-boost-religion-GCSEs.html

    Churches are closing down and being sold for conversion into private dwelings

    The elites might believe all these nonsense but who believes in the Elites? They are mocked right left and centre and submited to scrutiny so much so that the Queen was denied the yatch she wanted for her jubilee http://thevileplutocrat.com/bile/articles/queen-denied-new-yacht-for-her-diamond-jubilee/

    Things have changed for the Christian church so much that they are asking for reforms to protect the rights of Christians http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/9106059/We-need-reforms-to-protect-the-rights-of-Christians.html




    OTT? This is not about "the Christian churches"....this is about a specific group noted under "Christian Identity"....with the basis of formation to be noted. It's not really OTT...it pretty factual...this is way I quoted the source...it's not my words....and it's again the origins of much of this group of not only Aryan groups...but noted that William Dudly Pelley is included in this particular sect. As well as Wesley Swift and the same connected group as Pelley.

    And note once again...it's not about Christians in Britain....it's about one formation of one group....
    .Christian Identity movement...not all Christian churches would be included in this....just this radical group....

    Edit to add: I have no problem with christian religions...and believe in Religious freedom. I just have a huge problem with radical groups such as the ones I've sited here...and the ones this thread is supposed to be about ...yet has not touched the origins which I just did.


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