Ten years ago, John Titor identified that 2011 was the year. It's an interesting read because he claims to be a time traveler.
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While Titor stated that the US Civil War would technically begin in 2004/2005, he made many statements indicating that this domestic conflict would not actually turn violent until 2011 ("I keep saying her tune will change in about ten years [he posted this in 2001, and ten years later = 2011] and she'll be cleaning shotguns in her sleep" and "outright open fighting was common by 2011"). He predicted the US would see "a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse", and today the major story in the news is about all the thousands of families getting forcefully thrown out of their homes, which is exactly what the government was trying to do at Waco. Although he maintained that the US Civil War officially started in 2004/2005, he added that the conflict would not really get going until much later : "The conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012", which is a timeline very consistent with today's economic crisis and foreclosure rush.
He said that the Civil War was supposed to begin in 2004. This prediction is what most critics point to as his worst mistake.
However, 2004 seems to have been when the Republicans first used the electronic voting boxes to steal the US Presidency, which, if they did, amounts to a hostile takeover of the government, an act which would qualify as the beginning of a Civil War in any historian's eyes. Prior to 2004, the pre-election polls had had an extremely high success rate in revealing how the race was going, but in 2004, those polls were completely and dramatically incorrect, leading to widespread accusations of vote fraud. On election night, the whole nation was totally expecting Kerry to win. The polls said it wasn't even going to be very close, but then we were all shocked and surprised when Bush was announced the winner. Was Titor correct? Was there a silent coup in 2004? We still don't for sure know today. But that means we don't know whether his prediction about 2004 was right or not.
However, we DO know that his 2008 prediction was dead-on-the-mark accurate. Writing in 2000, he somehow totally nailed the 2008 turning point; he predicted
"The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over." This prediction proved all too correct when the world economy crashed in 2008 and we entered the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.
He predicted we would have an "overheating problem with our space plane", and then the Challenger Explosion occurred because of, yes indeed, an overheating problem.
He predicted "degrading US foreign policy and consistency", and under Obama the US has been far less friendly to Israel and far more to Muslim nations, which certainly qualifies as an inconsistency.
He predicted the "the demise of "Homo Materia", an apparent reference to a worldwide economic collapse.
He predicted a revival of States Rights as a major national issue, and this came to pass lately with the advent of the State Sovereignty movement.
He predicted that "The West will become very unstable,". He totally nailed that one too. This prediction has already come true, as we have seen in the news stories covering the riots and chaos in Greece, France, England, Ireland, and elsewhere.
He predicted that China would become very aggressive and expansionistic, and it would "forcefully annex Taiwan, Japan and Korea" before 2015, and the news has carried stories lately suggesting that China is laying the groundwork for such expansion, with its recent huge military buildup, its naval fleet expansion, and its latest move to boost its naval presence in disputed waters.
Titor said that during the coming war, the greatest number of deaths would be via starvation, and the news has carried numerous stories about severe food shortages around the world over the last two years.
ALL of Titor's predictions came true with the exception of the "no official Olympics after 2004" prediction, and the ones that are still in our future.
According to Titor, the second Civil War in this country has already began, a number of years ago. Titor himself defined exactly when it started : 2004 - 2005.
Now, when 2004 and 2005 came and went without any 1861-type civil war taking place, the air pretty much went out of the Titor story. People concluded that he had been wrong about that, and therefore that he was just bullshit thru and thru.
The problem with this was that many of Titor's other predictions did seem to have come true, like the space shuttle, the Middle East war, and so on. But the big one, the civil war prediction, seemed to carry so much weight that the whole story was pretty much "case closed" for alot of people.
But then something funny happened : Titor's 2008 prediction was dead-on-accurate. The statements he made about 2008 were completely consistent with the worldwide economic collapse in 2008.
So people started feeling uncomfortable about him again. What was the deal? Why were half of his predictions coming true and the other half not coming true? The apparent hits of the space shuttle, the Middle East war, and now the 2008 economic collapse started to look like one coincidence too many to ignore.
So that redirected people's attention back to that 2004 prediction that he seemed to get SO wrong - that a civil war was supposed to start then. What was the deal with that? Was that prediction wrong or not? And people started looking at 2004 and 2005 a little closer.
And the first thing that pops out is that Titor first showed up in 2000, during a very abnormal and controversial election that alot of people were very upset about. And right at the height of that drama, is when he shows up and starts posting online.
Now that alone is a little peculiar, because the Titor story was very sophisticated and complex, and if it was a hoax, alot of time and planning and prep work had to go into it in advance. So we're supposed to believe that whole process ended just coincidentally at the same time that this historically unique and controversial election occurs? That would be quite a coincidence.
But anyway, he shows up then, and discusses that controversial election a bit, and then says that America is going to have another civil war, and, coincidentally, he says it is going to start at the very same time the next election occurs - in 2004.
2004 may have been when the Republicans first used the electronic voting boxes to steal the US Presidency, an act which would amount to a hostile takeover of the government, an act which would qualify as the beginning of a Civil War in any historian's eyes. It would be a real overthrow of the government. The fact that they used computers instead of guns to wrest control of the government away from the citizens and put that control in the hands of a small group is irrelevant. It would be a silent coup, orchestrated under the noses of the citizenry without their consent.
One curiosity about this prediction is that Titor gave us two different answers about when the civil war started - in 2004 and in 2005. This would make sense if he was viewing that election being the start of the civil war, because while the election itself took place in 2004, its results wouldn't come into effect until 2005.
An election did occur then. And it really may have been stolen. That election was the first time that exit polls were extremely off-base for a US Presidential Election. They had previously been very accurate and reliable, but in 2004 they seemed to fail completely : the polls and the news stations were reporting that it looked like Kerry had it in the bag, but then the official numbers published by the government said that Bush had won instead. There were widespread serious accusations of vote fraud, but it all got kind of swept under the rug.
We can probably never know for sure if the American government was stolen that year. And that means we can probably never know if a civil war actually started via coup in 2004 - 2005. But what we DO know is that the violence normally associated with a civil war did NOT begin in 2004 - 2005. But then, Titor never said it would. In fact, he indicated that even though the civil war started in 2004 - 2005, the violence wasn't going to show up until 2011.
While he insisted that the US Civil War would begin in 2004/2005, he made many statements indicating that this conflict would not turn violent until 2011 ("I keep saying her tune will change in about ten years [2011] and she'll be cleaning shotguns in her sleep" and "outright open fighting was common by 2011").
But can a war start without violence? When does a war start? Does it start when the violence begins, or when the cause of the violence arrives? I honestly don't know, but these sound like definition questions best left to historians ...which Titor claimed to be.
He predicted that during the civil war, the US would see "a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse", and today the major story in the news is about all the thousands of families getting forcefully thrown out of their homes, which is exactly what the government was trying to do at Waco.
Although he maintained that the US Civil War officially started in 2004/2005, he added that the conflict would not really get going until much later : "The conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012", which is a timeline very consistent with today's economic crisis and foreclosure rush.
Over the next few weeks, we've seen in the news lately, somewhere around five million Americans are going to become "99'ers", that is, they are going to run out of money - their unemployment will run out.
And then 2011 arrives -- the year Titor specified, ten years ago now, as "THE TIME" when the XXXX actually does hit the fan.
So to people who don't think that a civil war occurs when the cause of the violence arrives, and only think the civil war would have officially "started" when the violence itself begins, Titor seems to be saying, "2011 is when it starts".
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