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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:36 am

    What if All of Us Have Lost Our Way?? What if There is No Way to Lose?? Refuse Toulouse?? What Would Boeing Do?? Never Mind!! Actually, what if this paragraph illustrates how the end might occur?? What if these sentences illustrate how the madness began?? Remember the Tower of Babel?? What if the Matrix is More Problematic Than We Can Think?? What if my little fifteen-year conceptual thread experiment ends up disorienting and disillusioning lots of people?? Nobody gives a damn right now but what if that changes in a few years?? I just finished listening to a plane-crash video involving major confusion in the cockpit (including a drunk pilot and malfunctioning equipment)!! "OMG!! WHOOP!! WHOOP!! PULL UP!! OMG!!" What if Humanity is Past the Point of No Return?? Ten-Years Ago, An Individual of Interest Told Me That Was the Case (but I have no idea if that was true or not). Will the Center Hold?? What is the Center?? Centre Place?? WTF?? Perhaps I should simply and silently read the NYT and WSJ combined with long walks in nature (plus very little else). I'm SO Confused!! The Truth is SO Overrated!! What Would Vala Mal Doran Say?? There is No Izvestia in Pravda and No Pravda in Izvestia!! The KGB Read the KJV!! WTF?? All We, Like Sheep, Have Gone Astray. We Have Turned, Every One, to His and/or Her Own Way!! Imagine HAL, SAL, and DAVE Existing in the Black Knight Satellite (aka the Moon) for a Long, Long Time in a Galaxy Far, Far Away!! Cheers and/or Whatever!!




    What if Disclosure is a Bad Thing?? Researchers Remorse?? What if Stolen Alien Technology Will Enslave and/or Destroy Us?? Sorry, I'm Feeling Mighty Low Tonight. I Wish I Felt and Thought Better. Perhaps the Matrix is Deliberately and Maliciously Making Me Miserable and Hamstrung. What Did My Doctors Know?? When Did They Know It?? What Did the Agencies Know?? When Did They Know It?? What Did the Vatican Know?? When Did They Know It?? RA Told Me (in 2010: The Year We Made Contact) About Stolen Technology. RA Told Me, "Humanity is Screwed." What Did Sherry Shriner Know?? When Did She Know It?? She Spoke of Direct Conversation with the 'Father'. Was She Really Interacting with the Matrix?? She Coughed All the Time and Had a Severe Heart Condition. Regarding My SDA Background, What if EG was ET (Especially Regarding 'Her' Writings)?? I Was Disillusioned Regarding the Church and with Whole Life Expos. Jumping Out of the Frying Pan and Into the Fire?? I'd Still Like to Know Who I Am (Going Way, Way, Way Back). Perhaps That Can NEVER Be Known. What if My Silly Catharsis is a Defense Mechanism?? What if I've Known Too Much for Thousands of Years?? What if the REAL History of This Solar System is Worse Than We CAN Think?? Consider the Theodicy and Eschatology of Purgatory. Another Lifetime in Purgatory?? Cheers and/or Whatever.





    What if Demonology and Theology are Intertwined?? What if We Live in a Prison Planet and/or Prison Solar System?? What if This is Darker Than We Think or Can Think?? What if the Lie is Different at Every Level?? What if Theism and Atheism as We Know It Are Deceptions and/or Errors?? What if We Live in an Eternal Purgatory Incorporated?? What if My Suggestions Are Way Too Dark?? What if I've Been Deceived and/or Compromised?? What if I'm Worse Than I Think or Can Think?? Am I Part of the Problem and/or Part of the Solution?? What if I'm Exposing Myself in My Threads?? What Would a Solar System Exorcism Look Like?? What Does the Vatican Really Know About Life, the Universe, and Everything?? What if the TRUTH Can NEVER Be Revealed to the General Public?? Will Disclosure Result in Insanity?? Will the TRUTH Set Us Free and/or Make Us Mad?? Consider Job to Isaiah. These Are Arguably the Six Most New Testament Old Testament Books. If True, Why Isn't the New Testament Based Solidly Upon Those Six Old Testament Books?? Consider Three Divisions of the 21 New Testament Epistles. 7 Genuine Pauline Epistles. 7 Non-Genuine Pauline Epistles. 7 General Epistles. Are They All Created 'Separate but Equal'?? Consider the Possibility That Humanity and Divinity Divorced in Antiquity, and That Humanity has Been 'Playing God' for Thousands of Years. The Atheists Might be Partially Correct if Most of the Above is Correct. What if an Ancient to Modern Universe Artificial Intelligence Macro System Keeps Us Alive While We Fight and Cooperate with Each Other in an Ancient to Modern Separate Local Artificial Intelligence Micro System?? What Would Malachi Martin Say About All the Above?? Separately, Around 2000, I Suggested to a Former Microsoft Employee that 'Wearable Computers' Were the Way of the Future. She Countered, "Bill Thinks Otherwise." Around 2020, I Encountered This Former Microsoft Employee, Reminding Her of My Prediction. She Replied, "Well, Here We Are." Is This Paragraph Too Hot to Handle?? Am I Playing with Burning Magnesium?? I'm Rambling. I'm Sorry. Cheers and/or Whatever.

    The Quest of the Historical Organist
    United States AI Solar System (14) - Page 7 Cesar-franck





    Who is the most comprehensive and definitive researcher of Project Avalon, Project Camelot, and The Mists of Avalon?? Kerry?? Carol?? What Would Bill Say?? "Oh, No!! Mr. Bill!!" Would this effort be too narrow or too broad?? I can't even master my own threads within Project Avalon and The Mists of Avalon. What if my pathetic efforts have been made even more pathetic and futile by some sort of diabolical and nefarious destruction of my mental, physical, and spiritual health, perhaps involving neuro-toxins, chips, nanobots, viruses, parasites, mainframes, 5G, nefarious entities, a broken heart, and who knows what else?? A lot of this might be undetectable yet unbearable, involving significant and unrelenting hamstrung misery. What if the Matrix reins in various targeted individuals when they venture into the forbidden zone?? This sounds paranoid and science-fictional but what if this hypothetical state of affairs might ultimately affect most of us, complete with weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth?? What Would HHMI Do?? This Solar System Might be Stranger Than We CAN Think. Too Hot to Handle?? What Would RA Say and Do?? What Would a Renegade French-Jesuit Organist Say and Play?? I'm Losing My Mind, Patience, and Sense of Humor. Cheers and/or Whatever.





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    Post  orthodoxymoron Sat Nov 23, 2024 3:21 pm

    What if I'm screwed?? Did I walk into a trap?? Is resistance futile once one enters the Matrix?? No-One resonates with my threads regardless of which side they're on. I try to be fair, open, and honest. I stumbled upon the following material (on the internet!) but when I clicked 'read more' there was a 'warning', so I won't include the link or view the website. The information seemed interesting but I have no idea how accurate it might be. I utilize public domain material in a mostly innocent and pseudo-intellectual manner as part of my ongoing religious and political science-fiction. I try to get it right as I attempt to not dig too deeply. I mean well toward all concerned and unconcerned on a long-term basis but I suspect the Heart of Mankind is Desperately Wicked and All Have Come Short of the Glory of God. All We Like Sheep Have Gone Astray. We Have Turned Everyone to His and/or Her Own Way. The Following 'Document' was Edited for Easier Viewing.

    July, 1986. This  is a verbatim transcript that some person gave  me. He  said that part of this document or related documents were published  in serial  form in the late 1970's in some kind of men's magazine,  but I know it wasn't Playboy as that  would have stuck in my mind.   I got this in 1984. Punctuation  and grammar  errors are included (there are plenty of punctuation errors and  I think  this guy's horrible use of commas and parentheses is rubbing off on me).   There are four sequential .TXT files that I typed up to so that they can be digitally transmitted:   GEMSTON1.TXT,  GEMSTON2.TXT, (both of these are   in   archive  GEMARC1.ARC-using  arc  5.00) and   GEMSTON3.TXT   and GEMSTON4.TXT,  (these are in GEMARC2.ARC) all about 16K long).

    A SKELETON KEY TO THE GEMSTONE FILES --- MAY 1, 1975

    The gemstone file was written in many segments over a period of years by an American  man  named  Bruce Roberts. Parts of the file were  released  to certain  Americans beginning in 1969.   The number of handwritten pages  is well over a thousand,  of which I have read about four hundred.   I do  not have  the  time  or the research facilities to verify  the  entire story. Perhaps others can help.

    Since  the  scope  of the work is so large,  and the  events  described are  so complex  and  interlocking,  it  may be more easily  understood  with  this skeleton  outline of the gemstone thesis.   Individual papers can be read with greater comprehension.

    1932:   Onassis,  a  Greek  drug pusher and ship owner who made  his  first million  selling  "Turkish  tobacco" (Opium) in  Argentina,  worked  out  a profitable  deal  with  Joseph Kennedy,  Eugene Meyer,  and  Meyer  Lansky. Onassis  was to ship booze directly into Boston for Joseph  Kennedy.   Also involved was a heroin deal with Franklin and Elliott Roosevelt.

    1934:   Onassis,  Rockefeller  and the Seven Sisters (major oil  companies) signed  an agreement,  refined an oil cartel memo:  Beat the Arabs out  of their oil, ship it on Onassis's ships; Rockefeller and the Seven Sisters to get rich.  All this was done.

    Roberts,  studying  journalism and physics at the University  of  Wisconsin learned  these things via personal contacts.   His special interest was  in crystallography  -- and  the  creation of synthetic  rubies,  the  original Gemstone experiment.

    1936-1940:   Eugene Meyer buys the Washington Post,  to get our news Media; other Mafia buy other papers, broadcasting,  T.V., etc. News censorship of all major news goes into effect.

    1941-1945:   World  War  II;  very  profitable  for  Onassis,  Rockefeller, Kennedys,  Roosevelts, I.G. Farben, etc. Onassis selling oil, arms and dope to both sides went through the war without losing a single ship or man.

    1949:   Onassis buys U.S. surplus "Liberty Ships" in questionable (illegal) purchase.  Lawyer Burke Marshall helps him.

    1956:  Howard Hughes, Texas millionaire, is meanwhile buying his way toward his own personal gain.   He buys senators,  governors, etc. He finally buys his last politician: newly elected V.P. Nixon, via a quarter-million dollar non-repayable loan to Nixon's brother Donald.

    Early 1957:  V.P. Nixon repays the favor by having IRS Treasury grant tax-free  status (refused twice before) to "Hughes  Medical  Foundation",  sole owner of Hughes Aircraft, creating a tax-free, non-accountable money funnel or laundry, for whatever Hughes wanted to do.  U.S. Government also shelved anti-trust suit against Hughes' T.W.A., etc.

    March 1957:   Onassis carried out a carefully planned event:  He has Hughes kidnapped  from his bungalow at the Beverly Hills Hotel,  using Hughes' own men  (Chester Davis,  born Cesare in Sicily,  et al).   Hughes" men  either quit,  get fired,  or stay on in the new Onassis organization.   A few days later,  Mayor  Cannon  of  Nevada  (now senator  Cannon) arranges  a  fake "marriage" to Jean Peters,  to explain Hughes' battered and  brain  damaged in  the scuffle,  is taken to the Emerald Isle Hotel in the Bahamas,  where the entire top floor has been rented for thirty days and later dragged  off to  a cell on Onassis's island,  Skorpios.   Onassis now has a much  larger power  base in the U.S.  (the Hughes empire),  as well as control over V.P. Nixon  and other Hughes purchased politicians.   L.  Wayne Rector  "Hughes" double since 1955, becomes "Hughes".

    September, 1957:  Onassis calls the Appalachian meeting to announce to U.S. Mafia  head  his  grab of Hughes and his acquisition of Hughes game  plan  for acquiring power:  buying U.S. senators,  congressmen, governors, judges to take control legally of the U.S.  government.   Onassis's radio message  to Appalachia  from a remote Pennsylvania farmhouse intercepted reluctantly) by  FBI's  J.  Edgar  Hoover,  on  the basis of a tip-off  from  some  Army Intelligence guys who weren't in on the plan.

    Also in 1957: Joseph Kennedy takes John F. and Jackie to see Onassis on his yacht,  introduced John and reminds Onassis of an old Mafia  promise:   the presidency for a Kennedy.  Onassis agrees.

    1958:   Hordes  of  Mafia-selected,  purchased and supported "grass  roots" candidates sweep into office.

    1959:   Castro takes over Cuba from dictator Batista,  thereby  destroying cozy  and lucrative Mafia gambling empire run for Onassis by Meyer  Lansky. Castro scoops up 6 million in Mafia casino receipts.   Onassis is furious, V.P.  Nixon  becomes operations chief for CIA-planned Bay of Pigs invasion, using CIA Hunt,  McCord, etc., and Cuban ex-Batista strong-arm cops (Cuban freedom-fighters) Martinez,  Consalez,  etc., as well as winners like Frank Sturgis (Fiorini).

    1959:   Stirring  election battle between Kennedy and  Nixon.   Either  way Onassis wins, since he has control over both candidates.

    1960:   JFK elected.   American people happy.  Rose Kennedy happy.  Onassis happy.  Mafia ecstatic.

    Roberts  brings  his  synthetic rubies--the original  gemstones  to  Hughes Aircraft in Los Angeles.  They steal his rubies -- the basis for Laser beam research,  laser bombs, etc., because of the optical quality of the rubies. One  of the eleven possible sources for one of the ingredients involved  in the Gemstone experiment was the Golden Triangle area. Roberts was married to  the daughter of the former French consul in Indochina.   In that  area, Onassis's  involvement  in the Golden Triangle dope trade was  no  secret. Roberts  investigation revealed the Onassis-Hughes connection,  kidnap  and switch.   "Gemstones"--synthetic  rubies  and sapphires  with  accomplished "histories"--gemstone papers--were sold or given away to consular offices-- in return for information.   A world-wide information network was gradually developed-a  trade of the intelligence activities of many countries.   This intelligence  network  is  the source for much of the  information  in  the Gemstone File.

    January 1961:   Joseph Kennedy has a stroke,  ending his control over  John and  Bobby.   The  boys decide to rebel against  Onassis's  control.   Why? Inter-Mafia struggle?  Perhaps a dim hope of restoring this country to its mythical integrity?
       
    They began committing Mafia no-no's:  Arrested Wally Bird owner or Air Thailand, who had been shipping Onassis's heroin out of the Golden Triangle (Laos,  Cambodia,  Vietnam),  under contract  with  the CIA  (Air  Opium): arrested teamster Mafia Jimmy Hoffa, and put him in jail.  Declared the 73 million in forged "Hughes" land liens, deposited with San Francisco Bank of America,  as  "security" for the TWA judgement against Hughes,  to be  what they are: Forgeries.

    April 1961:   CIA Bay of Pigs fiasco.   Hunt, McCord, CIA Batista's Cubans and  Mafia  angry about JFK's lack of enthusiasm.   Mafia Onassis  has  his right-hand man "Hughes' top aid" former FBI and CIA Robert Maheu  (nicknamed "IBM" for Iron Bob Maheu), hire and train a Mafia assassination team to get Castro.   The  team  of a dozen or so includes John Roselli and Jimmy  (The Weasel) Prattiano, expert Mafia hitmen, assisted by CIA Hunt and McCord and others.  This was reported recently by Jack Anderson, who gets a lot of his "tips"  from  his friend,  Frank (Fiorini)  Sturgis--also  on  the  Castro assassination  team.  The  team  tries  five  times  to  kill  Castro  with everything  from long-range rifles to apple pie with sodium morphate in it. Castro survives.

    1963:    Members  of  the  Castro  assassination  team  arrested  at   Lake Pontchartrain,  La.  by  Bobby Kennedy's justice boys.   Angered,  Onassis stops  trying  to kill Castro.   He changes target and goes for  the  head: JFK,  who,  according to Onassis,  "welched" on a Mafia deal.   JFK sets up "Group of 40" to fight Onassis.

    August 1963:   Two murders had to occur before the murder of JFK, or people who would understand the situation and might squawk:

    Senator  Estes  Kefauver;    whose  crime  commission investigations   had uncovered  the 1932 deal between Onassis,  Kennedy,  Eugene Meyer,  Lansky, Roosevelt, et al.  Kefauver gave a speech on the senate floor denouncing Mafia operations;  instead,  he ate a piece of apple pie laced with  sodium morphate  (used  in rat poison),  and had a sodium-morphate-induced "heart attack" on the Senate floor.

    Phillip  Graham:   Editor  of the Washington  Post.   Phillip  had  married Katherine Meyer,  Eugene Meyer's daughter, who had inherited the Washington Post  and  allied media empire.   Graham put together  the  Kennedy-Johnson ticket and was Kennedy's friend in the struggle with Onassis.  According to Gemstone,  Katherine Meyer Graham bribed some psychiatrists to certify that Phil  was insane.   He was allowed out of the nuthouse for the weekend  and died of a shotgun wound in the head in the Graham home in Washington; death ruled "suicide".

    November 1,  1963:  The hit on JFK was supposed to take place in true Mafia style: a triple execution, together with Diem and Nhu in Vietnam.  Diem and Nhu got theirs,  as scheduled. Onassis had invited Jackie for a cruise on the Christina,  where she was when JFK got tipped off that big "O"  planned to  wipe him out.   JFK called Jackie on the yacht,  from the White House, hysterical:  "Get  off  that yacht if you have to swim"' and cancelled  his appearance  at  a  football  stadium  in  Chicago,   where  this  CIA-Mafia assassination  team  was  poised for the kill.   Jackie  stayed  on  board, descended the gangplank a few days later on Onassis's arm,  in  Turkey,  to impress  the Bey,  Mustapha.   Madame Nhu,  in the U.S.  bitterly remarked whatever has happened in Vietnam.

    One of the assassination teams was picked up in Chicago with a rifle  and quickly  released by the police. Three weeks later the Mafia's  alternate and carefully arranged  execution plan went  into  effect: JFK was assassinated in Dallas. A witness who recognized pictures of some of  the people  arrested in Dealey Plaza as having been in  Chicago  three  weeks earlier told Black Panthers Hampton and Clark.

    The  JFK murder:  Onassis-Hughes' man Robert Maheu reassigned the Mafia-CIA Castro  assassination  team to the murder of JFK adding  Eugene  Brading  a third  Mafia hitman from the Denver Mafia Amaldones "family".   Two  months earlier  Brading  on  parole  after a series of crimes applied  for  a  new driver's  license explaining to the California DMV that he had decided  to change  his  name to Jim Brading.   Brading got his California  parole  the first  time to look things over and the second time when JFK was  scheduled for his Dallas trip.

    Lee  Harvey Oswald CIA with carefully planned links to both the ultra right and  to  the Communists was designated as the patsy.   He was  supposed  to shoot Governor Connally and he did.

    Each of the four shooters,  Oswald,  Brading,  Frattiano and Roselli had  a timer  and a back up man.   Back up men were supposed to pick up the  spent shells  and  get rid of the guns.   Timers would give the signal to  shoot. Hunt and McCord were there to help.  Sturgis was in Miami.

    Frattiano  shot from a second story window in the Dal-Tex  building  across the  street  from the Texas School Book Depository.   He apparently used  a handgun-he is an excellent shot with a pistol.   Frattiano and his  back-up man were "arrested",  driven away from the Dal-Tex building in a police car and  released (without being booked).   The Dallas police office is in the Dal-Tex building.

    Roselli  shot  Kennedy once hitting the right side of his head and  blowing his  brains out with a rifle from behind a fence in the grassy knoll  area. Roselli and his timer went down a manhole behind the fence and followed the sewer line away from Dealey Plaza.

    The  third point of the triangulated ambush was supplied by Eugene  Brading shooting from Kennedy's left from a small pagoda at Dealy Plaza across  the street  from  the  grassy knoll (Brading missed  because  Roselli's  and Frattiano shot had just hit Kennedy in the head from the right and the rear nearly  simultaneously).   Brading's shot hit the curb and ricocheted off. Brading was photographed on the scene stuffing his gun under his coat.   He wore  a  big leather hat,  its hatband marked with large  conspicuous  X's. (Police  had been instructed to let anyone with an X-marked hatband through the  police  lines.   Some may have been told they  were  Secret  Service). After his shot,  Brading ditched his gun with his back-up man and walked up the  street  toward the Dal-Tex building.   The sheriff rushed up  to  Brading, assuming  he was "Secret Service" and told him he had just seen a man  come out  of the Book Depository and jumped into a station wagon.   Brading  was uninterested.   Brading  walked into the Dal-Tex building to "make a  phone call".   There  he was arrested by another deputy sheriff,  showed his "Jim Braden" driver's license and was released without being booked.

    Oswald shot Connally twice from the Texas School Book Depository.  He split from the front door.  His back-up man was supposed to take the rifle out of the building (or so Oswald thought); instead he "hid" it behind some boxes, where it would be found later.

    Three  men dressed as tramps picked up the spent shells from Dealey  Plaza. One was Howard Hunt.   Then they drifted over to an empty boxcar sitting on the  railway  spur behind the grassy knoll area,  and  waited.   A  Dallas police  officer ordered two Dallas cops to "go over to the boxcar and  pick up  the  tramps".   The three 'tramps' paraded around Dealey  Plaza to  the Department in the Dal-Tex Building.   They were held there until the alarm  went out to pick up Oswald;  then they were released,  without being booked.   In all, ten men were arrested immediately after the shooting; all were  released  soon  after;  none were booked;  not  a  word  about  their existence is mentioned in the Warren Report.

    FILE #2 OF 4 FOR THIS DOCUMENT

    Regarding  Lee Harvey Oswald:  Officer Tippitt was dispatched in his police radio  car  to  the Oak Cliff Section,  where Oswald  had  rented  a  room. Tippett  may have met Oswald on the street.   He may have been supposed  to kill Oswald,  but something went wrong.   Tippett was shot by two men using revolvers.  The "witness", Domingo Benavides, who used Tippitt's police car radio  to report "we've had a shooting here",  may have been one of the men who shot him.  ('Domingo Benavides' appears in connection with the Martin Luther King shooting also.) Oswald  went to the movies.   A "shoe store manager" told the  theater cashier  that  a  suspicious looking man had  sneaked  in  without  paying. Fifteen  assorted cops and FBI charged out to the movie theater to look for the guy who had sneaked in. Oswald had a pistol that wouldn't fire.   It may have been anticipated that the police would shoot the "cop-killer" for "resisting  arrest".   But since  that didn't happen,  the Dallas police brought Oswald out for small-time Mafia Jack Ruby to kill two days later.

    Brading  stayed at the Teamster-Mafia-Hoffa-financed "Cuban Hotel"  in Dallas.   Ruby had gone to the Cabana the night before the murder, says the Warren  Report.   The  rest,  as they say,  is  history.   Onassis  was  so confident of his control over police,  media,  FBI, CIA, Secret Service and the  U.S.  Judicial System that he had JFK murdered before the eyes of  the entire nation;  then systematically bought off,  killed off,  or frightened off  all witnesses and had the evidence destroyed;  then put a 75 year seal of  secrecy over the entire matter. Cover up participants included  among many:  Gerald  Ford on the Warren Commision (a Nixon  recommendation):  CIA attorney Leon Jaworski,  of the CIA front Anderson Foundation, representing Texas  before  the Commission to see that the fair name of  Texas  was  not besmirched  by  the  investigation;   CIA-Dallas  Chief  John  McCone,  his assistant; Richard Helms; and a passle of police, FBI, news media, etc.

    WHERE ARE THEY NOW?

    Johnny Roselli received part of his pay off for the head shot on JFK in the form  of  a $250,000 'finder's fee' for bringing "Hughes" (Onassis)  to  Las Vegas in 1967. Jimmy  Frattiano's pay-off included $109,000 in "non-repayable loans", from the S.F.  National Bank (President: Joe Alioto).  Credit authorization for the series of loans from 1961 to 1965,  came from Joe Alioto and a high Teamster official.  Dun and Bradstreet noted this transaction in amazement, listing  how  Frattiano could explain so much "credit" as  his  only  known title  (listed in D&B) was "Mafia-Executioner".   Frattiano went around for years  bragging  about  it:   "Hi  there,   I'm  Jimmy   Frattiano,   Mafia Executioner...."  A bank V.P.  told the whole story to the California Crime Commission,  where  Al  Harris,  who later shot off his mouth a little  too much--"Heart attacked". When  last seen in March,  1975,  Frattiano was testifying before a  S.F. Grand  Jury  in regard to his participation,  with East  Coast  Mafia  Tony Romane, in the Sunol Golf Course swindle (which cost S.F. somewhere between $100,000  in  "non-repayable  loans"  to start a trucking  company  in  the Imperial Valley,  where he engaged in a lot more swindling. A USA government member explained, "The Mafia is doing business directly with the U.S. Government now".

    Brading  was  questioned  by the FBI two months after his  arrest  and released  in  Dallas as part of the Warren  Commission's  determination  to "leave  no  stone  unturned"  in  its quest for the  truth  about  the  JKF assassination. In spite of the fact that Brading was a known criminal with an  arrest  record dating back about twenty years,  the FBI  reported that Brading knew nothing whatsoever about the assassination. Brading  became a charter member of the La Costa Country  Club,  Mafia heaven near San Clemente.   He also became a runner for the skim money from the Onassis "Hughes" Las Vegas casinos to Onassis' Swiss Banks.

    GERALD  FORD;  of  the  Warren Commission went on to  become  President  by appointment  of  Nixon,  then in danger of even further  and  more  serious exposure--from  which position  of trust Ford  pardoned  Nixon  one  month later, for "any and all crimes he may have committed."  That covers quite a lot but Ford is good at covering things up.

    McCONE; the head of CIA-Dallas, went on to become a member of the ITT Board of Directors sitting right next to Francis L. Dale, the head of CREEP.

    RICHARD HELMS;  McCone's assistant at Dallas,  ultimately has been rewarded with the post of CIA Director.

    LEON  JOWARSKI;  CIA Attorney,  became the Watergate Prosecuter,  replacing Cox,  who was getting too warm.  Jowarski turned in a startling performance in our "government-as-theatre" the honest,  conscientious investigator  who "uncovered"  not  a bit more than he had to and managed to steer  everybody away from the underlying truth.

    Dr. "RED" DUKE;  the man who dug two bullets out of Connelly and saved his life was shipped off to a hospital in Afghanistan by a grateful CIA.

    JIM GARRISON;  New Orleans D.A. who tried to get Eugene Brading out of L.A. (but used one of Brading's other aliases,  Eugene Bradley, by mistake), had his witnesses shot out from under him, and was framed on charges of bribery and extortion.   FBI officers "confiscated" photos of Brading taken on  the scene, etc.

    After JKF's death,  Onassis quickly established control over Lyndon Johnson through fear.   On the trip back to Washington, Johnson was warned by radio relayed from an air force base; "There was no conspiracy, Oswald was a lone nut assassin.   Get it Lyndon?  Otherwise, Air Force One might have an unfortunate accident on the flight back to Washington."

    Onassis  filled all important government posts with his own men.   All government agencies became means to accomplish an end:  rifle the  American Treasury,  steal  as  much  as possible,  keep  the  people  confused, disorganized,  and leaderless;  persuade world domination.   JFK's  original "Group  of 40" was turned over to Rockefeller and his  man,  Kissinger, so that  they could more effectively take over South America (Onassis was  one of  the  first to console Jackie when she got back from Dallas  with  JFK's body.)  Silva, a S.F. private detective hired by Angelina Alioto to get the goods  on philandering Joe,  followed Joe Alioto to Vacaville,  to the  Nut Tree  Restaurant,  where  Joe held a private meeting with other Mafioso  to arrange the details of the JFK assassination pay off to Frattiano.

    1967:   Onassis  has  always  enjoyed the vast piles of money  to  be  made through  gambling  (in Monaco,  in the 50's and in  Cuba  under  Batista). Onassis  took  over  Las  Vegas in 1967,  via  the  "Hughes"  cover.   U.S. Government officials explained that it was alright because "at least  Hughes isn't the Mafia."

    Mafia  Joe  Alioto  had  Preseidential ambitions,  shored  up  by  his participation  in the Dallas pay-off.   Everyone who helped kill JKF got  a piece of the U.S.  pie.   But J.  Edgar Hoover, FBI head, blew his cover by releasing  some of the raw FBI files on Alioto at the  Democratic  National Convention.  Joe was out of the running for V.P. and Humphrey had to settle for Muskie.   Humphry  planned to come to S.F.  for a  final  pre-election rally, sparked by Joe Alioto.  Roberts threatened to blow the hit-run story and its Mafia ramifications open if Humphrey came to S.F.  Humphrey didn't come; Humphrey lost in San Francisco, California and the election.

    October  1968:   Jackie  Kennedy was now "free" to marry Onassis.   An  old Mafia rule: if someone welches on a deal, kill him and take his gun and his girl: in this case, Jackie and the Pentagon.

    July, 1969: Mary Jo Kopechne, devoted JFK girl, and later one of Bobby's trusted  aides,   was  in  charge  of  packing  up  his  files  after his assassination  in L.A.  She read too much, learned about the Kennedy Mafia involvement and other things.   She said to friends:  "This isn't  Camelot, this is murder."  She was an idealistic American Catholic.  She didn't like murdering  hypocrites.   She died trying to get off Chappaquiddick  Island, where  she  had overheard (along with everyone else in the  cottage)  Teddy Kennedy's end of the D.H. Lawrence cottage telephone calls from John Tunney and  to Joe Alioto,  and Democrat bigwigs Swig,  Shorenstein,  Schumann and Bechtel.   Teddy's good friend John Tunney called to complain that Alioto's friend Cycil Magnin and others had tried to bribe Jess Unruh to switch from the  Governor's race to run for the Senate for the seat John Tunney  wanted so that Alioto would have an easier run for Governor.  Teddy called Alioto, who told him to go to hell;  then Teddy called the rest to arrange for  yet another Mafia murder.  Mary Jo, up to there with Mafia ran screaming out of the cottage on her way to Nader.  

    Drunken Teddy offered to drive her to the ferry. Trying  to  get away from the curious Sheriff, Teddy  sped  off toward the  Bridge,  busted Mary Jo's nose when she tried to grab his  arm from  the back seat,  and bailed out of the car as it went off the  bridge. Mary Jo with a busted nose, breathed in an air bubble in the car for  more than two hours waiting for help, while Teddy, assuming she was dead, to set up  an alibi. Mary Jo finally suffocated in the air bubble,  diluted with carbon dioxide. It  took her 2 hours and 37 minutes to  suffocate  while Teddy  called  Jackie  and Onassis on  the  Christina. Teddy  also  called Katherine Meyer Graham,  lawyers, etc. Jackie called the Pope on Teddy's behalf, who assigned Cardinal Cushing to help.  The next morning, the first person Teddy tried to call after deciding he'd have to take the rap himself was a lawyer,  Burke Marshall,  Onassis's friend in the U.S. Liberty ships deal back in the forties and also the designated custodian for JFK's brains after Dallas (the brains have since disappeared).

    Cover-up of the Chappaquiddick  murder  required  the  help of Massachusetts  Highway Patrol, which "confiscated" the plates from Teddy's car  after it was fished out of the pond: the Massachusetts  Legislature, which  changed  a 150 year old law requiring an autopsy (which  would  have revealed the suffocation and broken nose); Coroner Mills, who let Kennedy's aide K. Dun Grifford, supply him with a death certificate, already prepared for  Hill's signature,  listing cause of death as drowning: Police  Chief Arenas: Cardinal  Cushing's  priest  who appeared  before  the  Kopechne's "direct  from God" with personal instructions from Him that Mary Jo was not to  be disturbed;  a Pennsylvania mortuary where Mary Jo's broken nose was patched up, East and West phone companies, which clamped maximum security on the records of calls to and from the cottage. S.F. Police Chief Cahill was  reassigned to a new job; Security Chief for Pacific  Telephone. The U.S. Senate, who never said a word about Teddy's (required equipment) plug-in  phone;  the  judge who presided over the mock  hearing; James Feston, editor of Martha's vineyard's only newspaper,  who never heard a word about Teddy's  phone  at  the cottage,  though residents called in  to  tell  the newspaper; the New York Times, Washington Post, etc.

    John Tunney's sister, Joan, heard her brother's end of the phone call, made  from her house in Tiburon,  to the Chappaquiddick cottage.   The next day,  after Mary Jo died,  Joan ran away to Norway, where she was kidnapped by  Mafia hoods Mari and Adamo.   They locked her up in a Marseille  heroin factory.  Joan's husband complained so she chopped his head off with an ax, and  was subsequently locked up in a nuthouse belonging to the Marquess  of Blandford, then Tina Livanos Onassis' husband. Mari  and  Adamo  got pressed into scrap metal in a New Jersey  auto junkyard.
       
    In  the panic of trying to cover up Teddy's quilt  at  Chappaquiddick, many  things came unglued.   The JFK murder threatened to creep out of  the woodwork again; Black Panthers Hampton and Clark were murdered (the Chicago cops  fired  over Attorney Charles Garry's because of what they knew  about the JFK murder squad's presence at Chicago on November 1,1963.

    September 1969:   "Gemstones", with histories, had been released around the globe for several years.   In 1969, Roberts gave a Gemstone with history to Mack,  head  of California CREEP,  for Nixon,  with  the  proposition:  the Presidency  in  return for wiping out the Mafia.   The  "history"  included Teddy's  phone  calls  to and from the Lawrence Cottage  on Chappaquiddick billed to Teddy's home phone in Hyannisport.   Nixon being Mafia  himself, wasn't  interested;  but  kept the information to use on Teddy whenever it seemed advantageous.

    May  4,  1970:   Charlotte  Ford Niarchos called  her  ex-husband  Stavros, worried  about  the  Ford Foundation's involvement  in  the  Chappaquiddick cover-up.  Eugenie Livanos Niarchos, in bed with her husband, overheard the conversation.   Stavros  was forced to beat her to death;  he ruptured  her spleen and broke the cartilage in her throat.  Cause of death was listed as "overdose of barbituates," though autopsy showed these injuries.

    NOTE:   L. Wayne Rector was hired around 1955 by the Carl Byoir P.R. Agency (Hughes  L.A.  P.R.  firm) to act as Hughes double.   In 1957 when  Onassis grabbed  Hughes,  Rector continued to act as his stand-in.   Rector was the Hughes surrogate in Las Vegas;  Robert Maheu actually ran the  show;  Maheu got  his  orders from Onassis;  the six "nursemaids", called  the  "Mormon Mafia", kept Rector sealed off from prying eyes.

    June 17,  1969:   Bobby Kennedy knew who killed his brother; he wrote about it in his unpublished book,  The Enemy Within.   When he foolishly tried to run for President, Onassis had him offed, using a sophisticated new technique, hypnotized  Sirhan Sirhan shooting from the front "security guard"  (from Lockheed  Aircraft).   Thane  Cesar shooting from two or three inches  away from  Bobby's  head from the rear.   Sirhan's  shots  all  missed.   Evelle Younger,  then the L.A.  District Attorney, covered it all up including the squawks of the L.A.  Coroner Thomas Noguchi.  Younger was rewarded with the post of California Attorney General later.   His son,  Eric Younger,  got a second generation Mafia reward;  a judge-ship at age 30.  (See Ted Charach, L.A.  author  and director,  The Second Gun,  a documentary film on the RFK murder, bought and suppressed by Warner Brothers for more details). After Bobby's death, Teddy knew who did it.  He ran to Onassis afraid for his life and swore eternal obedience.   In return,  Onassis granted him his life and said he could be President, too, just like his big brother, if he would behave himself and follow orders.

    September 16,  1968:   Hit and run accident on Robert's car parked in front of the Russian consulate in S.F. who routinely takes pictures of everything that  goes on in front of the consulate.   Their photos showed the  license plate  of  the hit and run car UKT-264,  on a blue  Cadillac  belonging  to Angela Alioto,  Joe's daughter, being driven by Tom Alioto, Joe's son whose driving  license had been revoked.   His license and the cars license  were both fraudulent.   To cover up the hit and run circumstances,  B.F.   MPJ's from  the Presido quickly staged a few more hit and runs on the same corner all  duly filmed by the Russians.   Katheryn Hollister,  the Alioto  family nurse  was  "persuaded"  to take the rap for  the  hit  and  run. Roberts threatened to spill the whole story in court with photos.
       
    Next  evening Brading and Frattiano showed up in the Black Magic  Bar, Brading  wearing  his  x-marked  hat from Dallas  to  see  whether  Roberts recognized it, how much he knew, etc. A S.F. MP from the Presidio piped up from the end of the bar, "I heard they let everyone with an X-marked hatband through the police lines at Dallas". Cover up support for Alioto in the hit and run was completed.

    End  of  1970:   Howard Hughes presence on earth no longer  required.   His handwritting  could  be duplicated by a computer.   His biography  all  the known  facts about his life had been compiled and a computerized  biography issued  to  top Hughes executives.   His double - Rector - had  been  doing "Hughes" for years.  And Hughes was ill.
       
    Clifford  Irving,   author  of  Hoax,  about  an  art  forger,  became interested  in  "Hughes".   Living on Ibazza,  he heard  the  Mediterranean gossip  that  "Hughes" was a hoax,  too.   He went  to  "Hughes"  so-called "Mormon Mafia",  the six nursemaids for information.  One of them, Merryman perhaps,  tired of the game,  gave Irving the computerized Hughes biography and from it Irving wrote his "autobiography". Hughes'  death was expected shortly.   Preparations were being made so that it would not interfere with the orderly continuation of his empire. Irving  wrote his book and the publishers anounced it.   Onassis  knew someone  had  given Irving the information.   He thought it was  Maheu  and fired him in November,  1970. On Thanksgiving Eve, 1970, in the middle of the  night "Hughes" (Rector made a well-publicized "secret departure"  from Las Vegas to the Bahamas).

    December  1970:   Onassis discovered his mistake and had  Merryman  killed. Robert  Maheu  accidentally  deprived of his  half-million  dollars  annual salary,  sued  "Hughes" for millions mentioning "Hughes" game plan for  the purchase of Presidents, governors, Senators, judges, etc.  Onassis paid off cheap  at  the price to maintain his custodianship of "American democracy" and the "free world" and keep from hanging for multiple murders. The "Hughes" Mormon Mafia party,  plus Rector,  fled around the  world from  the Bahamas where they murdered an uncooperative Governor and  Police,  to Nicaragua,  where they shot the U.S. Ambassador between the eyes for noticing that there wasn't really any Hughes; and then to Canada, where Mormon  Mafia  nursemaid Sckersley looted a goodly sum in a swindle of  the Canadian Stock Exchange; and on to London to Rothschild's Inn of the Park.

    File #3 of 4 for this document.

    April 18,  1971:  Howard Hughes, a human vegetable as the result of serious brain  damage during his 1957 hustle,  plus fourteen years of heroin,  grew sicker and sicker.   A final overdose of heroin did him in.  His coffin was lowered  into  the  sea from a rocky headland off the  coast  of  Skorpios. Present at the funeral were: Jackie Kennedy Onassis, Teddy Kennedy, Francis L.  Dale,  Director of CREEP,  and a South Vietnamese cardinal named  Thue. Onassis  allowed some pictures to be taken from a distance;  he himself did not appear. The pictures were published in Midnight, a Canadian tabloid.

    Albanian  frogmen,  tipped off,  were waiting under the  water.   They siezed  the coffin and took the corpse off to Yugoslavia,  then  to  China, Russia  and then perhaps to Boston in a foot locker.   The corpse's  dental work was compared to Hughes very own dental records and they matched.  News of  Hughes death,  the U.S.  take-over by Onassis and the facts surrounding the murders of JFK,  RFK,  Martin Luther King,  Mary Jo Kopechne,  and many more  and the subsequent cover-ups (involving still more murders) had  been circulating around  the globe for several years.   Any country  with  this information  can blackmail the U.S. Mafia government,  which has no  choice but to pay up.   The alternative is to be exposed as a bunch of  treasonous murderers.   This  is  why  China-hating,  red-hating Nixon was  forced  to recognize China (which he now claims as his greatest accomplishment).   And this  is also why the USSR walks off with such good deals  in  U.S.  loans, grains  and whatever else it wants.   All they have to do is mention  those magic  words  - 'Hughes,  JFK, RFK,  MLK,  Mary Jo - and  the  U.S.  Mafia government crawls into a hole.   Information once leaked can't be unleaked. The  only way to end the delema is through a nuclear war and that wouldn't be one-sided.   The other way would be to throw the Mafia out of the United States.   Starting at the top with Ford, Rockefeller and Kissinger.  Super-patriots  please  note:  No one,  not all of the radicals  and  subversives hounded  by the US domestic intelligence put together has done one fraction of the damage done to US economy,  morality,  power and prestige as by  the thieves at the top. On the day that Hughes was buried,  Clifford Irving's wife presented a publisher's  check  made  out to "H.  Hughes" to Onassis'  Swiss  Bank  for payment.  Onassis paid off cheaply at the price.
       
    Gemstone  papers  rolling  around the world here and abroad  kept  the situation hot. Everyone was nervous. Rockefeller gave Kissinger $50,000 for  Carlson and Brisson to write their 'expose' The Alioto Mafia  Web  for LOOK magazine. Their mission:  find out everything that was public record about  Alioto's  connection with the JFK murder. There was a  pay-off  to Frattiano, listed in D&B. They were to explain it any way that didn't lead back to Dallas. The idea was to get Alioto to quietly go away but still keep the lid on everything.

    May,  1971:   Tina Livanos Onassis Blandford married Starvon Niarchos,  her former brother-in-law until he killed her sister, Eugenie.

    May,  1971:  "Folk  Hero" Daniel Ellsberg,  a well-known hawk from the Rand Corporation,  who  had designed the missile ring around the "Iron  Curtain" countries  (how many missiles to aim at which cities) was told  to  release the  faked-up "Pentagon Papers" to help distract people from  Hughes,  JFK, RFK, MLK etc.  The papers were carefully designed by Ellsberg and his boss, Rand Chief and new World Bank Chief Bob (Body Count) McNamara,  to make the Vietnamese  War  look  like "just one of those incredibly  dumb  mistakes". This helped to cover up the real purpose of the war: continued control for Onassis and his friends of the Golden Triangle dope  trade:  Vietnam,  Laos and Cambodia; and for Onassis and the oil people of Eastern oil sources, to say nothing of control over huge Federal sums,  which could be siphoned off in  profitable  arms  contracts,  or conveniently 'disappear'  in  the  war effort.
       
    McNamara's  'World  Bank' handing-out of American money  to  'starving nations'  actually set up huge private bank accounts for various  dictators in the Onassis-controlled Swiss bank. The money could be used as needed to support  and extend Mafia operations.   Example:  $8 billion in World  Bank funds  for  'starving  Ethiopians'  wound up in  Emperor  Haile Selassie's personal  accounts  in the Swiss bank.   This would make  him  the  richest individual in the world,  but other dictators have Swiss bank accounts too. Perhaps  they  are even larger.   The money drained from America and  other captive Mafia nations feeds a greed that can never be satisfied.

    Rand Corp.,  one of our major 'think tanks' has another goody in store  for the  public:   "Project Star" - Rand's cover-up fallback version of the JFK murder  held  in  reserve  should public  restlessness  over  the   Warren Commission Report cover-up ever threaten to get out of hand.  That ought to confuse the people for at least another twelve years, and by that time most of us will be dead anyway....

    NOTE IN PASSING: The dope trade routes are: Golden Triangle to Taiwan to San Francisco. Heroin from the Golden Triangle was sometimes smuggled into San  Francisco in the bodies of American GIs who died in battle in Vietnam. One  body  can hold up to 40 pounds of heroin,  crammed in where  the  guts would be. Some  dope  gets pressed into dinner plates and painted  with  pretty patterns. One dope bust in S.F. alone yielded $6 billion in herion 'china plates' - the largest dope bust in history. It was quickly and completely hushed  up  by the S.F.-Mafia press. The dope sat in the S.F.P.D. for  a while, then was removed by FBI men and probably sent on its way to American veins. All this dope processing and shipping is controlled and supervised by the Mafia for the Mafia. Dope arrests and murders are aimed at independent pushers and maverick peddlers and smugglers who are competing with  or holding out on the Mafia. While Nixon was conducting his noisy campaign against dope smuggling across the Mexican border, his  dope officer in charge of protecting the Mafia dope trade was E. Howard Hunt! Lots of heroin gets processed in a Pepsi Cola factory in Laos. So far, it hasn't produced a single bottle of Pepsi Cola. Some  dope gets processed in heroin factories in Marseilles. See the French Connection. Still more dope comes from South America --- cocaine and new heroin. US aid went to build a highway across Paraguay. Useless for the  natives who have no cars. (They use it for sunbathing in the day), it becomes the longest landing  strip in the world and serves airplanes loaded with cocaine. It is financed by US tax money for the benifit of the international Mafia dope pushers. And then there is opium from Turkish morphine. This was the starting point of Onassis' fortune.

    In case one is still wondering whether the Mafia can actually get away with such things,  consider the benifits derived from controlling the stock market,  the  courts,  the police,  etc.   In one swindle alone;  the  1970 acquisition  by "Hughes" of "Air West",  which involved swindling Air  West stockholders out of $45 million.  Recently indicted for this swindle by the SEC in  a civil suit were "Howard Hughes" and Jimmy (the  Greek)  Snyder,  not usually associated with the Hughes crowd, and others.

    June  1971: New York Times began publishing the  Pentagon Papers, Rand Corp's prepared cover-up of the real reasons for the Vietnamese war. Nixon had gotten a copy of the first Gemstone Papers circulated in the U.S. back in 1969. He was now wondering how much information Democratic Chairman Larry O'Brien had about Hughes, Onassis, JFK, RFK, etc. and more specifically how much of the dirt the Democrats planned to use. Nixon set up the "plumbers unit" to stop security  leaks, investigate other security matters. Erlichman,  Krogh, Liddy, Hunt, Young, etc. Hunt as "White  House consultant" supposedly worked for the Mullen Corp, a CIA cover. Mullen's head client was "Howard Hughes". Robert Bennett was the head of the Mullen Corp.

    June 28, 1971:  Ellsberg indicted for leaking the Pentagon Papers.

    September  3,  1971:   The  Watergate team broke into  Ellsberg's  doctor's (Fielding's)  office to get Ellsberg's psychiatric records.   Team  members CIA Hunt and Liddy,  Cuban "Freedom fighters" De Denio,  Martinez,  Bernard Barker.  All except Liddy had worked together back at the Bay of Pigs.

    Question:   Why  the intense battle between Mafia forces?   Answer:   While Onassis  was  the  recognized  crowned  head  of  the  Mafia,  intense,  no holds barred  scuffling  for  the lucrative second  spot  (control  of  U.S. Presidency,  government and so on) was permissible and encouraged under the Mafia  code of rules.   The only stipulation:  Outsiders mustn't know about it.   "Hughes"  contributed  liberally and equally to both  Democratic  and Republican parties for the 1972 election.   The winner would get even  more for "Hughes".

    September  23,   1971:   E.  Howard  Hunt  spliced  up  the  phony  cables implicating JFK's administration in the Diem assassination.

    October,  1971:   Look magazine apologized to Alioto for their Alioto Mafia Web  article and folded.   The sticking point:  thy couldn't prove Alioto's Mafia Nut Tree meeting back in 1963 re: the JKF murder.

    November, 1971:   Alioto re-elected S.F. mayor.

    December,  1971:   Robets  applied  for a "Gemstone" visa from the  Russian Consulate on a tapped phone.   Phone was tapped by Hal Lipset, S.F. private investigator,  who  worked  for Katherine Meyer  Graham  and  others,  and routinely monitored Consulate phone calls.

    January,  1972:   The  Watergate team showed up at the San Francisco  Drift Inn,  a CIA-FBI safe-house hangout bar,  where Roberts conducted a  nightly Gemstone  rap  for the benifit of any CIA or FBI or anyone who wandered  in for  a beer.   James McCord,  Martinez,  Bernard Barker,  Garcia and  Frank Sturgis showed up - along with a San Francisco dentist named Fuller.  James McCord  remarked:  "Sand and Arab oil with hydrogen heat makes glass  brick threat  of war to Arab nations".   The event,  like the other nightly raps, was taped by the Drift Inn bartender,  Al Stern,  who was paid to do so  by his old friend, Katherine Graham, but told his other friend, Roberts, about it.  The bar was also wired for sound by Arabs, Russians and Chinese.

    January 27,  1972:   Liddy and Dean met in Mitchell's office,  with Liddy's charts for his $1 million "plan" for spying,  kidnapping,  etc.   The plans included breaking into Hank Greenspun's Las Vegas office safe,  in hopes of recovering  Greenspun's file:  on the Hughes kidnapping and Onassis's Vegas operations,  which Greenspun had successfully used to blackmail Onassis out of $4 million or so.   A "Hughes" get away plane would stand by to take the White House burglers to Mexico.

    February,  1972:   Liddy and Hunt traveled around a lot, using "Hughes Tool Co." calling cards, and aliases from Hunt's spy novels. Liddy,  Hunt and other Watergaters dropped by for a beer at the Drift  Inn, where  they  were photographed on bar stools for Katherine  Graham.   These photos were later used in the Washington Post,  when Liddy, Hunt and others were arrested  at  Watergate because CIA men like Liddy  and  Hunt  aren't usually photographed. Roberts  quoted to Liddy "the Chinese stock market in cars" the  price on  Onassis's head by the ear in retaliation for a few things  Onassis  had done;  on  Wayne  Rector,  the  Hughes  double;  Eugene  Wyman,  California Democratic  Party  Chairman  and Mafia JFK pay off bagman;  and  on  Lyndon Johnson "four bodies twisting in the breeze". Robert's quoting prices to Liddy at the Drift Inn made their deaths  a mortal  cinch.   Liddy's  like that and that's why the murdering  slob  was picked by the Mafia. "Gemstones"  rolling around the Drift Inn in February inspired Liddy's Gemstone plan that became Watergate.

    February,  1972:  Francis L. Dale, head of CREEP and ITT Board of Directors member, pushed Magruder to push Liddy into Watergate. In a Mafia-style effort to shut Roberts up, his father was murdered by "plumbers"  team members Liz Dale (Francic L.  Dale's  ex-wife),  Martinez, Gonzalez,  Barker; in Hahnemann's hospital, S.F. where Mr. Roberts had been taken  after swallowing a sodium morphate "pill" slipped into  his  medicine bottle  at  home by Watergate locksmith (Miami's "Missing  Link"  locksmith shop)  Gonzales.   The pill didn't kill him.   He had a weak digestion  and vomited enough of the sodium morphate up (it burned his lips and tongue on the  way  out)  but  he had emphysema and went to  the  hospital.   In  the hospital,  "nurse"  Liz  Dale and "doctor" Martinez assisted him  to  sniff a  quadruple-strength can of aerosol medicine enough to kill him  the  next day.

    The  day before,  Tisseront,  head of the College of Cardinals at  the Vatican,  was  pushed out of a Vatican window.   Tisseront had followed the career  of the present Pope,  Montini (whose mother was  Jewish).   Montini sodium-morphate  murdered Pope Pius XI;  was banished from Rome for  it  by Pius  XII;  became Pope in 1963.   Tisseront wrote it all down; called the Pope "The Deputy of Christ at Auschwitz", and the fulfillment of the Fatima 3  Phophecy:  that  "The anti-Christ shall rise to become the head  of  the Church".   Tisseront  also wrote about all the suppressed secrets  of  the Roman Catholic Church: i.e. that Jesus Christ was an Arab, born April 16, 6 B.C.  at  the  rare  conjunction of Saturn  and  Jupiter.   Arab (Persian) astronomers  (the Magi) came to Bethlehem to look for their king,  an  Arab baby and found him in a stable,  because the Jews wouldn't let Arabs Joseph and Mary into their nice clean inns,  even then.  When Jesus overturned the tables of the money lenders at the Temple, the Jews had the Romans nail him to a cross.   He died on the cross when the Roman soldiers stuck a spear in his side,  pulled out his liver, and ate it.  Tacitus, the Roman historian, described it all in a chunk of history deleted by the Church.   Nero burned Rome  but that didn't stop the spreading of Moses' teachings by  the  early Christians, (Arabs).  So the Romans decided to adopt the religion, clean it up,  make Christ a Jew and Mary a virgin,  and work out a church state deal to  fool the people in the name of God and country that had been  operating ever  since.

    Around  311  A.D.  at the Council of  Nicea  the  Christian Orthodoxy  was established;  a dissenting bishop had his hands chopped off; another bishop was assigned to round up all the old copies of the Bible and destroy  them in favor of the "revised" de-Arabized  version.   Cleaned up Mathew,  Mark  Luke  and John were declared "it",  the other  Gospels  were declared Apocryphal,  and heretical.   Roman Emperor Constantine became the first "Christian" emperor. Later  during  the  holy  crusades the Bible was  again  rewritten  to include Jesus' warning against the "yellow race". "27 Gemstones",  with histories,  to 27 countries brought Red China into the U.N. and threw Taiwan out.

    April,  1972:  Money pours into CREEP: "Gulf Resources and Chemicals Corp., Houston,  Texas"  contributes $100,000;  illegal laundered through Mexico, comes back through Liedtke of Pennzoil Corp.,  Houston.  Robert Vesco gives Maurice Stans $200,000 "campaign contributions",  etc.   Liddy gives McCord $76,000.  McCord buys $58,000 worth of bugging equipment, cameras, etc.

    This is file #4 of 4 for this document.

    May,  1972:   J.  Edgar Hoover had the Gemstone File:  threatened to expose Dallas-JFK in an "anonymous" book,  The Texas Mafia.   Instead, someone put sodium morphate in his apple pie.  The corpse was carted away from his home in  the  back seat of a V.W.--and his files were "burned" but some of  them got away.

    May 28,  1972:   First break-in at Watergate:   McCord,  Barker,  Martinez, Garcia,  Gonzales, Sturgis, DeDiego and Pico stood guard outside.  Hunt and Liddy  directed the operation from a (safe?) distance --across the  street. The object was to check on Onassis's two men to Democratic Party HQ:  Larry O'Brien and Spencer Oliver.  (O'Brien chief "PR:  client had been "Hughes"; Oliver's father worked for Onassis).  McCord wire-tapped their phones. But,  little did McCord know that the plumbers were being observed by  Hal Lipset,  Katherine Graham's S.F.  detective who had followed two of the plumbers from Liz Dale's side in S.F. to Watergate.  Lipset "watched in amazement"  as the Plumbers broke in and bugged the phones: then reported back to his boss Katherine Graham.   Lipset and Graham set the trap for the Watergaters when they returned to remove their bugs and equipment.

    "The style of the old Holy Roman Empire:  a slave nation paying tribute  to the conqueror."

    October, 1973:  Another "Holy War"--Israelis VS Arabs..

    January,  1974:   Joe  Alioto  grants  Sunol Golf Course lease  to  Mafioso Komano,  Frattiano,  Nuniz,  Madiros, Abe Chapman and Neil Neilson.  Alioto sets up the Dallas murder squad in S.F. for more murders.

    January 26,  1974:  "Hughes" extradition trial cancelled in Reno by "Alioto Mafia  Web"   Mafia  Judge Thomson after Moses Lasky  from  Mafia  Alioto's California  Crime  Commission waves the forged  "Howard  Hughes"  signature under his nose. Maheu  "wins" his damage suit against "Hughes" his blackmail pay-off  after discussing  Hughes'  "Game Plan" for buying control of the U.S.  by  buying politicians: governors, judges, senators and presidents.

    February,  1974:  Mafia Hearst's daughter Patty "kidnapped" by Lipset's SLA in a fake terrorist action.

    Martin  Luther  King's  mother  was murdered by a  black  student,  a  self declared  "Israelite"--"acting  alone" who was escorted to  the  church  by somebody-- and  who had a list of other mothers as targets.   Next day  the target Shirley Chisholm got the message and rushed to sign off the DNC suit against CREEP naming Francis L. Dale; she had been the last to hold out.

    April 4,  1974:   Mary McCarthy,  a writer who had been given a copy of the Gemstone file, said in an article in the New York Review of Books, that the key  to the formation of Liddy's Gemstone plan lay in the whereabouts  and activities  of  the Plumbers between December,  1971  and  February,  1972. Answer:  They  were in the Drift Inn,  watching Gemstones rolling around on the bar top.

    August 6,  1974:  Nixon and Ford signed a paper at the White House.  It was an  agreement:  Ford could be President.   Nixon got to burn his tapes  and files and murder anyone he needed to cover it all up.

    August 7,  1974:   Roberts passed information to Pavlov at the S.F. Russian Consulate  which led directly to Nixon's resignation the "more"  journalism review's story about Denny Walsh's "Reopening of the Alioto Mafia Web story for the New York Times,  killed in a panic, plug a long taped discussion of who and what the Mafia is.   Hal Lipset listened to the conversation in the bugged  Consulate  room,  had  the  phone lines  open  to  Rockefeller  and Kissinger who listened too.   Rockefeller sent Kissinger to the White House with Nixon's marching orders: "Resign right now".   Nixon and Julie cried. But there was still some hope,  if Nixon resigned immediately,  of  drawing the  line  somewhere--before it got to the King of the  Mountain himself--Onassis.   Nixon,  on  trial,  would blurt out those names to save himself: Onassis, Dale, "Hughes", even JFK.

    August  8,  1974:   Nixon stepped down,  and Ford stepped up:  to keep  the cover-up going.

    August 23,  1974:   Frattiano in San Francisco,  staying at the Sunol  Golf Course.  More murders scheduled RE: Gemstone cover-up.

    August 30,  1974:   Ford hires Mafia lawer Becker to work out a pardon deal for Nixon,  who might otherwise name Onassis,  Graham,  and Pope Martini to save himself.

    San Francisco Zebra Murders:   A series of "random" killings, dubbed "Zebra murders" by the police because supposedly blacks were killing whites.   The real  target  was Silva,  the witness to Alioto's Mafia Nut  Tree  meeting. Silva was shot to death in an alley.  Careful Mafia planning went into this series,  to kill several birds with one stone.   1.)  Get witness Silva out of  the  way,  without being too "obvious" about it.   2.)  Spread fear  of "black  terrorists" and convince people that the police  department  needed more  money and more repressive power.   3.)  Blame and frame Black Muslims, knock off leaders of the opposition.

    September 7,  1974:   Roberts nad made an agreement with a friend, Harp, of Kish Realty,  over a bugged phone.  Harp was to buy a Gemstone with history for  $500,  the  price of a trip to Canada for Roberts to  check  in at  the "Hughes" Mormon Mafia Canadian stock market swindle and other matters.  But Harp  was sodium-morphate poisoned before the deal could go through on this date.

    Note: Sodium morphate: a favorite Mafia poison for centuries. Smells like apple  pie, and is sometimes served up in one, as to J. Edgar Hoover. Sometimes in a pill or capsule. Symptoms: lethergy,  sleep,  sometimes vomiting. Once ingested,  there is a heart attack and no trace is left in the  body. Proof  is  in the vomit which is usually not analysed. Not mentioned in your standard medical book on poisons,  etc. It is a  common ingredient in rat poison.

    September 8, 1974:  Ford pardons Nixon for "all crimes committed" from June 20, 1969, (oops, make that January) through August, 1974. Gemstone  papers  still floating around the wold.   Gandhi talks about  the U.S.' bloody deeds.

    October,  1974:   Ford  drops  "extradition" of Hughes  from  the  Bahamas. Explanation:  "We dropped it because we knew he wouldn't come".  THAT'S FOR SURE.

    "Four documents; four bodies twisting slowly in the breeze".

    Lyndon  Johnson:   Sodium  morphate  "heart  attack" at his  ranch  on  the Pedernales River.  Among his last words: "You know fellows, it really was a conspiracy...."

    Alexander  Onassis's plane crash at the "1000 foot Walter  Reuther  Level", via a fixed altimeter, at Athens Airport.

    Eugene  Wyman:   California Democratic Party Chairman and JFK  assassinatin pay-off bagman:  Heart attack.

    L.  Wayne Rector,  Hughes' double:   Killed at Rothchild's Inn of the Park, London. "Started the Shattering of the Mafia Economy".

    March 18,  1973:   Roberts called Hal Lipset,  discussing all these matters publicly over a tapped phone.   Lipset reported to Dean,  who had hired him away  from  Graham,  after  they figured out who had  taped  the  door  at Watergate. (Mitchell:  Katie Graham's liable to get caught in a wringer").

    March 21, 1973:  Nixon said that on this date, he "received new evidence on Watergate".   Lipset bragged on T.V.  that he had been the one to bring new evidence to Nixon. Meanwhile, back at the Washington Post,  Katherine Graham had been feeding Woodward and Bernstein information for their articles.

    May 10,  1973:  The first witness at the Watergate hearing running down the names  on  the CREEP organizational chart,  mentioned the name at the  top: Francis L.  Dale, Chairman. Dale was never mentioned again during the rest of the trial.

    July 9, 1973:  Roberts had used Al Strom's Drift Inn bar as an open lecture forum  for  any and all and Al Strom taped  it,  for  his  boss,  Katherine Graham.  But Al was fair and told Roberts he was doing it, for which he was murdered on this date.

    August  1973:   Murder of Chile,  by Group of 40:  (Rockefeller and his man Kissinger), working with the CIA and $8 million.  Allende's Chile.  Admiral Noel  Gaylor,  Naval Intelligence, told Roberts 1 1/2 years  earlier  that Chile  would  get  it:   Roberts  warned the  Chilean  consul  in  advance: Allegria, now "teaching" at Stanford. ITT  had now extracted $125 million payment for its Chilean plants,  a good  return  for  their  $8  million.   Mafia  controlled  Chile's  annual inflation rate has set a world's record.

    March 19,  1973:   Dean to Nixon, nervously:  "There is a cancer growing on the Presidency".

    October 3,  1974:   The Watergate trial,  the cover-up of the cover-up  got underway,  starting  Montini's Bon Veniste,  Onassis's Neal,  Graham's Jill Volner.   In the White House, Mafia Mayors Alioto, Daley and Beame met with the truth squad Ford, Scott and Griffin and Mike Mansfield, in secret.

    October 10, 1974:  Tina Livanos Onassis Blandford Niarchos, sodium morphate poisoned by hubby Stravos, puked, slept and died of "heart attack".

    Losing his son Alexander, took all the fun out of killing for Onassis.  Who was left to inherit the world empire he had dreamed of handing  over to his son?

    December,  1974:  Brezhnev had scheduled a meeting with Sadat.  The outcome wouldn't help the U.S.  no matter how many trips Henry made to the mid-East with  clean  socks  and blank checks.   A  new  U.S.  "secret  weapon"  was apparently used,  a tiny speck of metal, introduced somehow into Brezhnev's lymph system.   It lodged in the cluster of lymph nodes over his heart, and there  it  was  coated with layers of,  much as an oyster created  a  pearl around  an irritating grain of sand.   Brezhnev's lymph system clogged  up: he got the flu and the meeting with Sadat was cancelled. Russian doctors X-rayed him and found a hugh lump in his chest.   Then they put  him  before  a Kirlian camera and checked his  aura  for  cancer.   No cancer.  Kirlian  photography  is the latest Russian  diagnostic  tool.   It reveals the presence of disease, physical or moral (it also detects lies). Brezhnev's lump had to be treated with radiation therapy:  hence the rumors he had cancer.  It took six weeks to clear up.

    March,  1975:   Onassis  died.   The Mafia Organization  regrouped  itself. Prince  Fisal watched his uncle,  King Fisal,  silently watch the shift  of Mafia  Power  and  couldn't  stand it anymore.   He  shot  his  uncle,  the spiritual  leader of 60,000,000 Moslems,  who had played ball with  Onassis all along. South  Vietnam's  Thieu,  dubious  about which way the  Mafia cookie  would crumble,  now that Onassis was dead,  decided the time was right for him to split.  He abandoned the war effort, cursed the U.S., and split for Taiwan, his  plane  so overloaded with gold bullion that he had to dump some of it overboard.

    March 15,  1975: Roberts got the "Brezhnev Flu" and spent 2 weeks at U.C. Hospital. Doctors there without the Kirlian photography diagnostic technique, assumed the softball sized lump over his heart was cancer. It wasn't.

    April,  1975:  The Cambodian domino was no fun at all - it fell right over. Premier Lon Nol fled to exile in a Hawaiian suburb. CIA chief Colby,  in a fit of spite,  leaked the stolen story of CIA Hughes Glomar Explorer's raising of the drowned Russian sailors from their  sunken nuclear submarine.  Purpose: To bag the Russians and also to halt criticism of  the CIA by pointing out how noble,  brave and self-sacrificing they are in their efforts to save us. The  Russians are funny about their dead.   They bitterly resented  Colby's game.   They quietly went through a massive naval "war game",  the rehearsal of a nuclear attack on the U.S. Which  brings  us  almost  to  the  present  time.    Ford,  Kissinger  and Rockefeller squat like toads on the corpse of America.
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    I feel very uneasy about this. Consider Joseph Kennedy and Howard Hughes. I mostly don't wish to pursue this. I mostly wish to go for long walks and read my newspapers. It may be that a thorough analysis (if one is ever properly done) will reveal that my threads are a mess and that I'm a mess but in a decade or two, my mess might make a lot more sense, but by that time, I'll probably be long-gone. This was an experiment which I probably conducted in a miserable manner as I became increasingly miserable and hamstrung. I probably lost my way in many ways, but I tried a novel approach which mostly didn't work. I still don't know what to think about all the individuals of interest and top celebrities. Who knows, most of them might be clones or lesser actors masquerading as greater actors. I simply noted what I noticed and experienced. I'm troubled by the possibility that knowing we know might be more difficult to prove than we think. How do we REALLY Know?? I've taken too long and I've gotten too old and senile to connect all the necessary dots. Also, what I think about in fleeting conceptualizations is astounding to me, but I obviously can't properly communicate or prove that sort of thing. It's sort of a secular-sacred potpourri to make people (and other than people) think. The heavy-lifting will need to be done by those much more capable than me. Imagining various factions of hypothetical deep-states is intriguing, but how the hell am I supposed to know the TRUTH?! If I really knew, and blurted everything out, I'd probably be terminated in short-order. Again, this is probably more of an exercise in futility than anything, but those in the know might know that I'm closer to the mark than most people think. Who Knows?? Dr. Who?? The Shadow Knows!! Someday We Might be Surprised!! BTW, did that hypothetical Council of Seventeen ever meet?? Probably Not but It's Fun for Me to Think About. The Major Players Always Give Me Something to Think About!!

    What Do YOU Want?? Right off the bat -- I must say that I don't know enough about the colonization of the solar system to know what to desire. I have suggested the possibility of four billion people on Earth (with two billion on the surface -- and two billion subsurface) -- with four billion people throughout the rest of the solar system (mostly subsurface). But this presently makes me very nervous. I have no idea what's really going on in this solar system. My online activities have really been a process of discovery. I sometimes talk BIG -- but I am NOT an Insider (in any way, shape, or form -- that I know of). The population figures were simply a place of beginning -- and an effort to get some sort of a discussion going. I simply wish for Earth, the Moon, and Mars (for starters) to remain pristine (for all eternity). I also wish for the human race to survive any threats. Sub-Surface Living would seem to facilitate both objectives. But who knows what the correct numbers should be?? Eight Billion just sounded a lot better than Five-Hundred Million -- if you know what I mean. Don't be frightened -- the Solar System Governance Canon has essentially closed (for now). I have made repeated informal requests for some sort of non-nefarious assistance regarding doing something with my tripe. I have resisted doing anything with it myself -- simply because I don't know what's what -- and I don't know what I'm doing. I've improvised some sort of a Stupid-Fugue -- and perhaps that's the end of it.

    I've covered this territory repeatedly, but here we go again. Consider reading I Chronicles to Malachi and Acts to Revelation regarding the Life and Teachings of Jesus as Found in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John AND regarding the Old Testament Historical Books as Found in Genesis to 2 Kings. This is sort of a trick proposition and I am NOT a scholar. I am truly a battered and bruised Completely Ignorant Fool. Here is a Clue from a Rebel Without a Clue: Consider reading Volumes 3,4,6,7 of the SDA Bible Commentary (1 Chronicles to Malachi and Acts to Revelation). But really, are Politics, Religion, and History ultimately Mental and Spiritual Quicksand?? Will we fight over this stuff for All Eternity?? I might do a Truncated Review of my fourteen United States AI Solar System threads. Or, I might not. This seems to be an Exercise in Futility. Perhaps the Fun Never Ends. Still that above study is quite interesting if one has the time, talent, and inclination. Think of it in the context of an Ivy-League University in the 1950's. Think of it as being attempted by a Beautiful Mind at Princeton!! I am NOT trying to convert anyone. I am trying to make at least some of us THINK. But I suspect this is too-little, too-late, at this late-date. I've suggested Reading The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times along with Exercising in Nature as a Pragmatic Middle-Way. Hope Springs Eternal. Remember, I am attempting a strange sort of Religious and Political Science-Fiction. Researchers Beware.

    Consider reading the first seventeen books of the Bible (plus Revelation) --- and then comparing these eighteen books with the other forty-eight books. The eighteen might've been necessary historically -- but should they guide our lives in modernity??? I am very wary of Sherry Shriner. That goes for several individuals I have conversed with over the past several years (online and in-person). What if they are all one??? That wouldn't surprise me. I once asked someone "who decides who is saved and who is lost?" -- and they replied "I do." I was afraid to ask any follow-up questions -- and I'm not sure they understood my initial question -- but this reply absolutely floored me. I made it clear that my preference was to incarcerate the bad guys and gals -- without cruel and unusual punishment -- for all eternity (if necessary) -- rather than torturing and exterminating them. I guess I'm sort of a "softy." Anyway, consider reading Job through Jude -- and The Desire of Ages by Ellen White -- side by side -- over and over again -- regardless of any historical or authorship issues -- as a mental and spiritual exercise. 22 Old-Testament Books. 4 Gospels. 22 Non-Gospel New Testament Books. This approach has MUCH Less Blood, Guts, Weeping, Wailing, and Gnashing of Teeth -- but does it reflect the reality of our predicament?? My background is SDA -- but I no longer attend services. I guess what I just suggested reflects what I consider to be some of the best Judeo-Christian Minimalist-Traditionalist Theology -- which might be foundational to bigger and better things for humanity. BTW -- Why did Jesus Christ need to become a human-sacrifice to save us from our sins -- if the following passages from Isaiah are true??

    Isaiah 43 1 But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.  2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned ; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.  3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour : I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.  4 Since thou wast precious in my sight, thou hast been honourable , and I have loved thee: therefore will I give men for thee, and people for thy life.  5 Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;  6 I will say to the north, Give up ; and to the south, Keep not back : bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;  7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.  8 Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.  9 Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled : who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified : or let them hear , and say , It is truth.  10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen : that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed , neither shall there be after me.  

    11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour .  12 I have declared , and have saved , and I have shewed , when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.  13 Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work , and who shall let it?   14 Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer , the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships.  15 I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.  16 Thus saith the LORD, which maketh a way in the sea, and a path in the mighty waters;  17 Which bringeth forth the chariot and horse, the army and the power; they shall lie down together, they shall not rise : they are extinct , they are quenched as tow.  18 Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old.  19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth ; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.  20 The beast of the field shall honour me, the dragons and the owls  : because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert, to give drink to my people, my chosen.  21 This people have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise.  22 But thou hast not called upon me, O Jacob; but thou hast been weary of me, O Israel.  23 Thou hast not brought me the small cattle of thy burnt offerings; neither hast thou honoured me with thy sacrifices. I have not caused thee to serve with an offering, nor wearied thee with incense.  24 Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine iniquities.  25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.  26 Put me in remembrance : let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified .  27 Thy first father hath sinned , and thy teachers have transgressed against me.  28 Therefore I have profaned the princes of the sanctuary, and have given Jacob to the curse, and Israel to reproaches.

    Matthew was supposedly the only New Testament book originally written in Hebrew (or Aramaic). Interesting! What if Matthew is the only truly legitimate New Testament book??? What if Job through Matthew constitutes True Judeo-Christianity??? What does Job through Matthew teach regarding the Sabbath and the Substitutionary-Atonement??? Why is there a relatively silent Intertestamental Period?? Why is Acts to Revelation relatively silent regarding the Historical Jesus of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John?? Why is first century AD history relatively silent regarding the Life and Teachings of Jesus as found in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John?? Why did the Biblical-Canon end with Revelation??? Something is very-right and very-wrong with the Bible and Judeo-Christianity. The absence of Lucifer in the Bible really bothers me. There is just that one reference in Isaiah 14 -- and that passage seems to be referring to the King of Babylon. Gabriel supposedly replaced Lucifer -- but what if Gabriel really replaced Michael??? What if there was never a "Lucifer"??? What if Michael was a Soft-Liner who got replaced by a Hard-Liner Gabriel -- with the full authorization of the Galactic Powers That Be??? What if -- at some point -- Gabriel went rogue??? I have NO idea about this sort of thing -- and I don't make this speculation personal -- but I really wonder. I still think that it's possible that Gabriel and Michael were (and are) Best-Friends and Worst-Enemies. What if Gabriel and Michael have played multiple roles throughout the history of this solar system??? What if Gabriel and Michael were BOTH Ancient Egyptian Deities??? What if Official Judeo-Christianity is a cover-story for the real-story??? Once again, I wish No-One any harm. Not yet, anyway.

    Isaiah 14: 1 For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.  2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives , whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors .  3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve ,  4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say , How hath the oppressor ceased ! the golden city ceased !  5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers .  6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual  stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth .  7 The whole earth is at rest , and is quiet : they break forth into singing.  8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down , no feller is come up against us.  9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming : it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.  10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?  11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.  12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning  ! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!  13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:  14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.  15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble , that did shake kingdoms;  17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?  

    18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.  19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain , thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet .  20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned .  21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise , nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities  .  22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.  23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction , saith the LORD of hosts.  24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn , saying , Surely as I have thought , so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed , so shall it stand :  25 That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot : then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.  26 This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.  27 For the LORD of hosts hath purposed , and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out , and who shall turn it back ?  28 In the year that king Ahaz died was this burden.  29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken : for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.  30 And the firstborn of the poor shall feed , and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant.  31 Howl , O gate; cry , O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved : for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.  32 What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the LORD hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.

    Please understand that I mostly wished to model and discuss various solar system governance modalities -- and I wish to reiterate that I am NOT an authority on ANYTHING. Anyway, I will now attempt to proceed with my little reposting project. BTW -- Supposedly, J.S. Bach was some sort of a Demon-Fighter -- and Demons supposedly HATE the Music of Bach!! If nothing else works -- try playing BWV 552, BWV 565, and BWV 582 over and over and over again!!! When I played BWV 565 over and over and over again -- on a 50ft high pipe-organ -- one dark night -- my organ professor entered the church -- and in a very strange voice asked "Who's Here -- and Why??"



    I've included the Bible and Theology in this first post, because I think they should be studied side by side with Solar System Studies and Governance. In connection with what I said regarding Job through Matthew -- consider the Gospel According to Matthew in some depth. What if the Source "Q" somehow belongs somewhere among Job through Malachi?? What if the Jesus-Story (as we know it) was a doctored-version of an earlier Messianic-Story?? Consider studying the relationship between Egyptology and Judeo-Christianity. I seem to have a mental-block regarding this sort of thing -- but I'm trying to expose myself to some of it. Please remember that I am merely providing you with a study-guide -- to help you deal with a very nasty Info-War. I am NOT a scholar or an authority. I'm just a basket-case of a completely-ignorant fool -- and I wish I were kidding. The reality of my life is really quite sad and boring -- regardless of who I might be on a soul-basis. I somehow think I got my butt kicked in this incarnation. But anyway -- learn what you can from this thread -- and then move on. One more thing. Sometimes I get the sinking-feeling that the purpose of religion is to make people love a False-God and hate the Real-God. Namaste and Godspeed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Matthew

    The Gospel According to Matthew (Greek: κατὰ Ματθαῖον εὐαγγέλιον, kata Matthaion euangelion, τὸ εὐαγγέλιον κατὰ Ματθαῖον, to euangelion kata Matthaion) (Gospel of Matthew or simply Matthew) is one of the four canonical gospels, one of the three synoptic gospels, and the first book of the New Testament. The narrative tells how the Messiah, Jesus, rejected by Israel, finally sends the disciples to preach his Gospel to the whole world.[1]

    The Gospel of Matthew is generally believed to have been composed between 70 and 110, with most scholars preferring the period 80–90;[2] a pre-70 date remains a minority view, but has been strongly supported.[3] The anonymous author was probably a highly educated Jew, intimately familiar with the technical aspects of Jewish law, and the disciple Matthew was probably honored within his circle.[4] The author drew on three main sources to compose his gospel: the Gospel of Mark; the hypothetical collection of sayings known as the Q source; and material unique to his own community, called "Special Matthew", or the M source.[5]

    The Gospel of Matthew is anonymous: the author is not named within the text, and the superscription "according to Matthew" was added some time in the second century.[6][7] The tradition that the author was the disciple Matthew begins with the early Christian bishop Papias of Hierapolis (c.100-140 CE), who is cited by the Church historian Eusebius (260-340 CE), as follows: "Matthew collected the oracles (logia: sayings of or about Jesus) in the Hebrew language ( Hebraïdi dialektōi— perhaps "Hebraic style"), and each one interpreted (hērmēneusen - perhaps "translated") them as best he could."[8][Notes 1] On the surface, this implies that Matthew's Gospel was written in Hebrew or Aramaic by the apostle Matthew and later translated into Greek, but nowhere does the author claim to have been an eyewitness to events, and Matthew's Greek "reveals none of the telltale marks of a translation."[9][6] Scholars have put forward several theories to explain Papias: perhaps Matthew wrote two gospels, one, now lost, in Hebrew, the other our Greek version; or perhaps the logia was a collection of sayings rather than the gospel; or by dialektōi Papias may have meant that Matthew wrote in the Jewish style rather than in the Hebrew language.[8] The consensus is that Papias does not describe the Gospel of Matthew as we know it, and it is generally accepted that Matthew was written in Greek, not Aramaic or Hebrew.[10]

    Matthew's sources include the Gospel of Mark, the "shared tradition" called Q, and material unique to Matthew, called "M". The majority view of modern scholars is that Mark was the first gospel to be composed and that Matthew (who includes some 600 of Mark's 661 verses)[11] and Luke both drew upon it as a major source for their works.[12] The author of Matthew did not, however, simply copy Mark, but edited his source freely, emphasizing Jesus' place in the Jewish tradition and adding large blocks of teaching.[13] An additional 220 (approximately) verses, shared by Matthew and Luke but not found in Mark, form a second source, a hypothetical collection of sayings to which scholars give the name "Quelle", or the Q source.[14] This view, known as the two-source theory (Mark and Q), allows for a further body of tradition known as "Special Matthew", or the M source, meaning material unique to Matthew; this may represent a separate source, or it may come from the author's church, or he may have composed these verses himself.[11] The author also had at his disposal the Jewish scriptures, both as book-scrolls (Greek translations of Isaiah, the Psalms etc) and in the form of "testimony collections" (collections of excerpts), and, finally, the oral traditions of his community.[15] All these sources were at least mostly in Greek;[16] although a few scholars hold that some of these source documents may have been Greek translations of older Hebrew or Aramaic sources.[17][18]

    The majority view among scholars is that Matthew was a product of the second generation of Christians, those active after 70 CE. The defining events marking this period off from the first generation was the Jewish revolt of 66-73, and especially the destruction of the Second Temple by the Romans in 70. From this point on, what had begun with Jesus of Nazareth as a Jewish messianic movement became an increasingly Gentile movement that would evolve in time into a distinct religion.[19]

    The Christian community to which Matthew belonged, like many 1st century Christians, were still part of the larger Jewish community: hence the designation Jewish-Christian to describe them.[20] The relationship of Matthew to this wider world of Judaism remains a subject of study and difference, the principle question being the extent to which Matthew's community had separated itself from its Jewish roots.[21] Certainly there was conflict between Matthew's group and other Jewish groups, and it is generally agreed that the root of the conflict was the Matthew community's belief in Jesus as the messiah and authoritative interpreter of the law, as one risen from the dead and uniquely endowed with divine authority.[22]

    The author of Matthew wrote for a community of Greek-speaking Jewish Christians located probably in Syria (Antioch, the largest city in Roman Syria and the third-largest in the empire, is often mentioned).[23] Unlike Mark, he never bothers to explain Jewish customs; unlike Luke, who traces Jesus' ancestry back to Adam, father of the human race, he traces it only to Abraham, father of the Jews; of his three presumed sources only "M", the material from his own community, refers to a "church" (ecclesia), an organised group with rules for keeping order; and the content of "M" suggests that this community was strict in keeping the Jewish law, holding that they must exceed the scribes and the Pharisees in "righteousness" (adherence to Jewish law).[24] Writing from within a Jewish-Christian community growing increasingly distant from other Jews and becoming increasingly Gentile in its membership and outlook, Matthew put down in his gospel his vision "of an assembly or church in which both Jew and Gentile would flourish together."[25]

    1. Birth Stories
    Genealogy (1:1–17)
    Nativity (1:18–25)
    Biblical Magi (2:1–12)
    Flight into Egypt (2:13–20)
    Return to Nazareth (2:21-23)

    2. Baptism and early ministry
    John the Baptist (3:1–12)
    Baptism of Jesus (3:13–17)
    Temptation of Jesus (4:1–11)
    Capernaum (4:12–17)
    First disciples of Jesus (4:18–22)
    Galilee preaching tour (4:23–25)

    3. Sermon on the Mount (5–7)

    4. Healing and miracles
    Healing many (8:1–17)
    Foxes have holes (8:18–20)
    Let the dead bury the dead (8:21–22)
    Calming the storm (8:23–27)
    Gadarene demoniacs (8:28–34)
    Healing a paralytic (9:1–Cool
    Calling of Matthew (9:9–13)
    On fasting (9:14–15)
    New Wine into Old Wineskins (9:16-17)
    Daughter of Jairus (9:18–26)
    Two blind men (9:27–31)
    Exorcising a mute (9:32-34)
    Good crop but few harvesters (9:35–38)

    5. Little Commission (10:1–11:1)

    6. Responses to Jesus
    Messengers from John the Baptist (11:2-19)
    Cursing Chorazin, Bethsaida, and Capernaum (11:20–24)
    Praising the Father (11:25–30)
    Lord of the Sabbath (12:1-Cool
    Man with withered hand (12:9-14)
    Chosen servant (12:15–21)
    Blind-mute man (12:22–28)
    Strong man (12:29)
    Those not with me are against me (12:30)
    Unforgivable sin (12:31–32)
    The Tree and its Fruits (12:33–37)
    Request for a sign (12:38–42)
    Return of the unclean spirit (12:43–45)
    Jesus' true relatives (12:46-50)
    Parabolic Discourse (13:1–52)

    7. Conflicts, rejections, and conferences with disciples
    Hometown rejection (13:53–58)
    Death of John the Baptist (14:1-12)
    Feeding the 5000 (14:13–21)
    Walking on water (14:22–33)
    Fringe of his cloak heals (14:34–36)
    Discourse on Defilement (15:1–20)
    Canaanite woman's daughter (15:21–28)
    Healing on a mountain (15:29-31)
    Feeding the 4000 (15:32–39)
    Sign of Jonah (16:1-4)
    Beware of yeast (16:5–12)
    Peter's confession (16:13–20)
    Jesus predicts his death (16:21-28,17:22-23,20:17-19)
    Transfiguration (17:1–13)
    Possessed boy (17:14–21)
    Coin in the fish's mouth (17:24-27)

    8. Life in the Christian community
    The Little Children (18:1–7)
    If thy hand offend thee (18:8–9)
    The Lost Sheep (18:10–14)
    Binding and loosing (18:15–22)
    Unmerciful Servant (18:23–35)

    9. Journey to Jerusalem
    Entering Judea (19:1–2)
    Divorce (19:3–9)
    Celibacy (19:10-12)
    Little Children Blessed (19:13-15)
    Jesus and the rich young man (19:16–30)
    Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard (20:1–16)
    Son of man came to serve (20:20–28)
    Blind near Jericho (20:29-34)

    10. Jerusalem, cleansing of the temple, debates
    Triumphal entry into Jerusalem (21:1–11)
    Temple incident (21:12–17)
    Cursing the fig tree (21:18–22)
    Authority questioned (21:23-27)
    The Two Sons, The Wicked Husbandman, Parable of the Wedding Feast (21:28–22:14)
    Render unto Caesar... (22:15–22)
    Resurrection of the Dead (22:23–33)
    Great Commandment (22:34–40)
    Is the Messiah the son of David? (22:41–46)

    11. Woes of the Pharisees (23:1–39)

    12. Judgment day
    Little Apocalypse (24)
    Parables of the Ten Virgins, Talents (25:1–30)
    Judgment of the Nations (25:31–46)

    13. Trial, crucifixion, resurrection
    Plot to kill Jesus (26:1–5)
    Anointing of Jesus (26:6–13)
    Bargain of Judas (26:14-16)
    Last Supper (26:17–30)
    Denial of Peter (26:31–35,69–75)
    Agony in the Garden (26:36-46)
    Kiss of Judas (26:47-49)
    Arrest (26:50–56)
    Before the High Priest (26:57–68)
    Pilate's court (27:1–2,11–26)
    Death of Judas (27:3-10)
    Soldiers mock Jesus (27:27-31)
    Simon of Cyrene (27:32)
    Crucifixion (27:33–56)
    Entombment (27:57–61)
    Guarding the tomb (27:62–66,28:11-15)
    Empty tomb (28:1–6)
    Appearance to the women (28:7-10)
    Great Commission (28:16–20)

    Matthew, alone among the gospels, alternates five blocks of narrative with five of discourse, marking each off with the phrase "When Jesus had finished..."[26] (see Five Discourses of Matthew). Some scholars see in this a deliberate plan to create a parallel to the first five books of the Old Testament; others see a three-part structure based around the idea of Jesus as Messiah; or a set of weekly readings spread out over the year; or no plan at all.[27] Davies and Allison, in their widely used commentary, draw attention to the use of "triads" (the gospel groups things in threes),[28] and R. T. France, in another influential commentary, notes the geographic movement from Galilee to Jerusalem and back, with the post-resurrection appearances in Galilee as the culmination of the whole story.[29]

    The Gospel of Matthew begins with the words "The Book of Genealogy [in Greek, "Genesis"] of Jesus Christ", deliberately echoing the words of Genesis 2:4 in the Old Testament in Greek.[Notes 2] The genealogy tells of Jesus' descent from Abraham and King David and the miraculous events surrounding his virgin birth,[Notes 3] and the infancy narrative tells of the massacre of the innocents, the flight into Egypt, and eventual journey to Nazareth.

    The first narrative section begins. John baptizes Jesus, and the Holy Spirit descends upon him. Jesus prays and meditates in the wilderness for forty days, and is tempted by Satan. His early ministry by word and deed in Galilee meets with much success, and leads to the Sermon on the Mount, the first of the discourses. The sermon presents the ethics of the kingdom of God, introduced by the Beatitudes ("Blessed are..."). It concludes with a reminder that the response to the kingdom will have eternal consequences, and the crowd's amazed response leads into the next narrative block.[30]

    From the authoritative words of Jesus the gospel turns to three sets of three miracles interwoven with two sets of two discipleship stories (the second narrative), followed by a discourse on mission and suffering.[31] Jesus commissions the Twelve Disciples and sends them to preach to the Jews, perform miracles, and prophesy the imminent coming of the Kingdom, commanding them to travel lightly, without staff or sandals.[32]

    Opposition to Jesus comes to a head with accusations that his deeds are done through the power of Satan; Jesus in turn accuses his opponents of blaspheming the Holy Spirit. The discourse is a set of parables emphasising the sovereignty of God, and concluding with a challenge to the disciples to understand the teachings as scribes of the kingdom of heaven.[33] (Matthew avoids using the holy word God in the expression "Kingdom of God"; instead he prefers the term "Kingdom of Heaven", reflecting the Jewish tradition of not speaking the name of God).[34]

    The fourth narrative section reveals that the increasing opposition to Jesus will result in his crucifixion in Jerusalem, and that his disciples must therefore prepare for his absence.[35] The instructions for the post-crucifixion church emphasize responsibility and humility. (This section contains Matthew 16:13–19, in which Simon, newly renamed Peter, (πέτρος, petros, meaning "stone"), calls Jesus "the Christ, the son of the living God", and Jesus states that on this "bedrock" (πέτρα, petra) he will build his church—the passage forms the foundation for the papacy's claim of authority).

    Jesus travels toward Jerusalem, and the opposition intensifies: he is tested by Pharisees as soon as he begins to move towards the city, and when he arrives he is soon in conflict with the Temple and other religious leaders. The disciples ask about the future, and in his final discourse (the Olivet discourse) Jesus speaks of the coming end.[36]There will be false Messiahs, earthquakes, and persecutions, the sun, moon, and stars will fail, but "this generation" will not pass away before all the prophecies are fulfilled.[32] The disciples must steel themselves for ministry to all the nations. At the end of the discourse Matthew notes that Jesus has finished all his words, and attention turns to the crucifixion.[36]

    The events of Jesus' last week occupy a third of the content of all four gospels.[37] Jesus enters Jerusalem in triumph and drives the money changers from the temple, holds a last supper, prays to be spared the coming agony (but concludes "if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done"), and is betrayed. He is tried by the Jewish leaders (the Sanhedrin) and before Pontius Pilate, and Pilate washes his hands to indicate that he does not assume responsibility. Jesus is crucified as king of the Jews, mocked by all. On his death there is an earthquake, the veil of the Temple is rent, and saints rise from their tombs. Mary Magdalene and another Mary discover the empty tomb, guarded by an angel, and Jesus himself tells them to tell the disciples to meet him in Galilee.

    After the resurrection the remaining disciples return to Galilee, "to the mountain that Jesus had appointed," where he comes to them and tells them that he has been given "all authority in heaven and on Earth." He gives the Great Commission: "Therefore go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you;" Jesus will be with them "to the very end of the age."[38]

    Christology is the theological doctrine of Christ, "the affirmations and definitions of Christ's humanity and deity".[39] There is a variety of Christologies in the New Testament, albeit with a single centre - Jesus is the figure in whom God has acted for mankind's salvation.[40]

    Matthew has taken over his key Christological texts from Mark, but sometimes he has changed the stories he found in Mark, giving evidence of his own concerns.[41] The title Son of David identifies Jesus as the healing and miracle-working Messiah of Israel (it is used exclusively in relation to miracles), and the Jewish messiah is sent to Israel alone.[42] As Son of Man he will return to judge the world, a fact his disciples recognise but of which his enemies are unaware.[43] As Son of God he is named Immanuel (God with us) (Matthew 1:23), God revealing himself through his son, and Jesus proving his sonship through his obedience and example.[44]

    Matthew's prime concern was that the Jewish tradition should not be lost in a church increasingly becoming gentile.[45] This concern lies behind the frequent citations of Jewish scripture, the evocation of Jesus as the new Moses along with other events from Jewish history, and the concern to present Jesus as fulfilling, not destroying, the Law.[46]

    The gospel has been interpreted as reflecting the struggles and conflicts between the evangelist's community and the other Jews, particularly with its sharp criticism of the scribes and Pharisees.[47] Prior to the Crucifixion the Jews are called Israelites, the honorific title of God's chosen people; after it, they are called "Ioudaioi", Jews, a sign that through their rejection of the Christ the "kingdom of Heaven" has been taken away from them and given instead to the church.[48]

    The divine nature of Jesus was a major issue for the community of Matthew, the crucial element marking them off from their Jewish neighbors. Early understandings of this nature grew as the gospels were being written. Before the gospels, that understanding was focused on the revelation of Jesus as God in his resurrection, but the gospels reflect a broadened focus extended backwards in time.[49] The gospel of Mark recounts prior revelations in Jesus' lifetime on earth, at his baptism and transfiguration. Matthew and Luke go back further still, showing Jesus as the Son of God from his birth. Matthew most of all the gospels identifies how his coming to earth was the fulfillment of many Old Testament prophecies. Finally John calls God the Word (Jesus) pre-existent before creation, and thus before all time.

    Matthew is a creative reinterpretation of Mark,[50] stressing Jesus' teachings as much as his acts,[51] and making subtle changes in order to stress his divine nature – Mark's "young man" who appears at Jesus' tomb, for example, becomes a radiant angel in Matthew.[52] The miracle stories in Mark do not demonstrate the divinity of Jesus, but rather confirm his status as an emissary of God (which was Mark's understanding of the Messiah).[53]

    There is a broad disagreement over chronology between Matthew, Mark and Luke on one hand and John on the other: all four agree that Jesus' public ministry began with an encounter with John the Baptist, but Matthew, Mark and Luke follow this with an account of teaching and healing in Galilee, then a trip to Jerusalem where there is an incident in the Temple, climaxing with the crucifixion on the day of the Passover holiday. John, by contrast, puts the Temple incident very early in Jesus' ministry, has several trips to Jerusalem, and puts the crucifixion immediately before the Passover holiday, on the day when the lambs for the Passover meal were being sacrificed in Temple.[54] Matthew, unlike Paul and like Luke, believed that the Law was still in force, which meant that Jews within the church had to keep it.[55]

    In Insular Gospel Books (copies of the Gospels produced in Ireland and Britain under Celtic Christianity), the first verse of Matthew's genealogy of Christ was often treated in a decorative manner, as it began not only a new book of the Bible, but was the first verse in the Gospels.

    Notes

    1. Eusebius, "History of the Church" 3.39.14-17, c. 325 CE, Greek text 16: "ταῦτα μὲν οὖν ἱστόρηται τῷ Παπίᾳ περὶ τοῦ Μάρκου· περὶ δὲ τοῦ Ματθαῖου ταῦτ’ εἴρηται· Ματθαῖος μὲν οὖν Ἑβραΐδι διαλέκτῳ τὰ λόγια συνετάξατο, ἡρμήνευσεν δ’ αὐτὰ ὡς ἧν δυνατὸς ἕκαστος. Various English translations published, standard reference translation by Philip Schaff at CCEL: "[C]oncerning Matthew he [Papias] writes as follows: 'So then(963) Matthew wrote the oracles in the Hebrew language, and every one interpreted them as he was able.'(964)" Online version includes footnotes 963 and 964 by Schaff.
    Irenaeus of Lyons (died c. 202 CE) makes a similar comment, possibly also drawing on Papias, in his Against Heresies, Book III, Chapter 1, "Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect" (see Dwight Jeffrey Bingham (1998), Irenaeus' Use of Matthew's Gospel in Adversus Haereses, Peeters, p. 64 ff).
    2. France, p. 26 note 1, and p. 28: "The first two words of Matthew's gospel are literally “book of genesis”.
    3. France, p. 28 note 7: "All MSS and versions agree in making it explicit that Joseph was not Jesus' father, with the one exception of sys, which reads “Joseph, to whom was betrothed Mary the virgin, begot Jesus.”

    References

    1. Luz 2005, p. 249-250.
    2. Duling 2010, p. 298-299.
    3. France 2007, p. 19.
    4. Duling 2010, p. 298-299, 302.
    5. Burkett 2002, p. 175.
    6. Harrington 1991, p. 8.
    7. Nolland 2005, p. 16.
    8. Turner 2008, p. 15-16.
    9. Hagner 1986, p. 281.
    10. Ehrman 1999, p. 43.
    11. Senior 1996, p. 22.
    12. Turner 2008, p. 6-7.
    13. Harrington 1991, p. 5-6.
    14. McMahon 2008, p. 57.
    15. Beaton 2005, p. 116.
    16. Nolland 2005, p. 3.
    17. Casey 2010, pp. 87–8.
    18. Davies & Allison 1988, pp. 12–3.
    19. Scholtz 2009, p. 34-35.
    20. Saldarini 1994, p. 4.
    21. Senior 2011, p. 7-8,72.
    22. Senior 2011, p. 11.
    23. Nolland 2005, p. 18.
    24. Burkett 2002, p. 180-181.
    25. Senior 2011, p. 19.
    26. Turner 2008, p. 9.
    27. Davies & Allison 1988, p. 59-61.
    28. Davies & Allison 1988, p. 62ff.
    29. France 2007, p. 2ff.
    30. Turner 2008, p. 101.
    31. Turner, p. 226
    32. Harris 1985.
    33. Turner 2008, p. 285.
    34. Browning 2004, p. 248.
    35. Turner 2008, p. 265.
    36. Turner 2008, p. 445.
    37. Turner 2008, p. 613.
    38. Turner 2008, p. 687-688.
    39. Levison & Pope-Levison 2009, p. 167.
    40. Fuller 2001, p. 68-69.
    41. Tuckett 2001, p. 119.
    42. Luz 1995, p. 86,111.
    43. Luz 1995, p. 91,97.
    44. Luz 1995, p. 93.
    45. Davies & Allison 1997, p. 722.
    46. Senior 2001, p. 17-18.
    47. Burkett, p. 182
    48. Strecker pp. 369–370
    49. Peppard 2011, p. 133.
    50. Bockmuehl&Hagner, p. 117
    51. Morris, p. 114
    52. Bockmuehl&Hagner, p. 123
    53. Aune (1987), p. 59
    54. Levine, p. 373
    55. Allison, p.xxvi

    Commentaries

    Allison, D.C. (2004). Matthew: A Shorter Commentary. T&T Clark. ISBN 978-0-567-08249-7.
    Davies, W.D.; Allison, D.C. (1988). Matthew 1–7. T&T Clark. ISBN 978-0-567-08355-5.
    Davies, W.D.; Allison, D.C. (1991). Matthew 8–18. T&T Clark. ISBN 978-0-567-08365-4.
    Davies, W.D.; Allison, D.C. (1997). Matthew 19–28. T&T Clark. ISBN 978-0-567-08375-3.
    Duling, Dennis C. (2010). "The Gospel of Matthew". In Aune, David E. The Blackwell Companion to the New Testament. Wiley-Blackwell. pp. 296–318. ISBN 978-1-4051-0825-6.
    France, R.T (2007). The Gospel of Matthew. Eerdmans. ISBN 978-0-8028-2501-8.
    Harrington, Daniel J. (1991). The Gospel of Matthew. Liturgical Press. ISBN 9780814658031
    Keener, Craig S. (1999). A commentary on the Gospel of Matthew. Eerdmans. ISBN 978-0-8028-3821-6.
    Luz, Ulrich (1992). Matthew 1–7: a commentary. Fortress Press. ISBN 978-0-8006-9600-9.
    Luz, Ulrich (2001). Matthew 8–20: a commentary. Fortress Press. ISBN 978-0-8006-6034-5.
    Luz, Ulrich (2005). Matthew 21–28: a commentary. Fortress Press. ISBN 978-0-8006-3770-5.
    Morris, Leon (1992). The Gospel according to Matthew. Eerdmans. ISBN 978-0-85111-338-8.
    Nolland, John (2005). The Gospel of Matthew: A Commentary on the Greek Text. Eerdmans. ISBN 0802823890.
    Turner, David L. (2008). Matthew. Baker. ISBN 978-0-8010-2684-3.

    General works

    Aune, David E. (ed.) (2001). The Gospel of Matthew in current study. Eerdmans. ISBN 978-0-8028-4673-0.
    Aune, David E. (1987). The New Testament in its literary environment. Westminster John Knox Press. ISBN 978-0-664-25018-8.
    Beaton, Richard C. (2005). "How Matthew Writes". In Bockmuehl, Markus; Hagner, Donald A. The Written Gospel. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-83285-4.
    Browning, W.R.F (2004). Oxford Dictionary of the Bible. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-860890-5.
    Burkett, Delbert (2002). An introduction to the New Testament and the origins of Christianity. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-00720-7.
    Casey, Maurice (2010). Jesus of Nazareth: An Independent Historian's Account of His Life and Teaching. Continuum. ISBN 978-0-567-64517-3.
    Clarke, Howard W. (2003). The Gospel of Matthew and Its Readers. Indiana University Press. ISBN 978-0-253-34235-5.
    Cross, Frank L.; Livingstone, Elizabeth A., eds. (2005) [1997]. "Matthew, Gospel acc. to St.". The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church (3 ed.). Oxford University Press. p. 1064. ISBN 978-0-19-280290-3.
    Dunn, James D.G. (2003). Jesus Remembered. Eerdmans. ISBN 978-0-8028-3931-2.
    Ehrman, Bart D. (1999). Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millennium. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-512474-3.
    Ehrman, Bart D. (2012). Did Jesus Exist?: The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth. HarperCollins. ISBN 978-0-06-220460-8.
    Fuller, Reginald H. (2001). "Biblical Theology". In Metzger, Bruce M.; Coogan, Michael D. The Oxford Guide to Ideas & Issues of the Bible. Oxford University Press.
    Hagner, D.A. (1986). "Matthew, Gospel According to". In Bromiley, Geoffrey W. International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Vol. 3: K-P. Wm. B. Eerdmans. pp. 280–8. ISBN 978-0-8028-8163-2.
    Kupp, David D. (1996). Matthew's Emmanuel: Divine Presence and God's People in the First Gospel. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-57007-7.
    Levine, Michael D. (2001). "Visions of kingdoms: From Pompey to the first Jewish revolt". In Coogan. The Oxford History of the Biblical World. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-513937-2.
    Levison, J.; Pope-Levison, P. (2009). "Christology". In Dyrness, William A.; Veli-Matti. Global Dictionary of Theology. InterVarsity Press.
    Luz, Ulrich (2005). Studies in Matthew. Eerdmans. ISBN 978-0-8028-3964-0.
    Luz, Ulrich (1995). The Theology of the Gospel of Matthew. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-43576-5.
    McMahon, Christopher (2008). "Introduction to the Gospels and Acts of the Apostles". In Ruff, Jerry. Understanding the Bible: A Guide to Reading the Scriptures. Cambridge University Press.
    Morris, Leon (1986). New Testament Theology. Zondervan. ISBN 978-0-310-45571-4.
    Peppard, Michael (2011). The Son of God in the Roman World: Divine Sonship in Its Social and Political Context. Oxford University Press.
    Perkins, Pheme (1998-07-28). "The Synoptic Gospels and the Acts of the Apostles: Telling the Christian Story". The Cambridge Companion to Biblical Interpretation. ISBN 0521485932., in Kee, Howard Clark, ed. (1997). The Cambridge companion to the bible: part 3. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-48593-7.
    Saldarini, Anthony (2003). "Matthew". Eerdmans commentary on the Bible. ISBN 0802837115., in Dunn, James D.G.; Rogerson, John William (2003). Eerdmans Commentary on the Bible. Eerdmans. ISBN 978-0-8028-3711-0.
    Saldarini, Anthony (1994). Matthew's Christian-Jewish Community. University of Chicago Press. ISBN 978-0-226-73421-7.
    Sanford, Christopher B. (2005). Matthew: Christian Rabbi. Author House.
    Scholtz, Donald (2009). Jesus in the Gospels and Acts: Introducing the New Testament. Saint Mary's Press.
    Senior, Donald (2001). "Directions in Matthean Studies". The Gospel of Matthew in Current Study: Studies in Memory of William G. Thompson, S.J. ISBN 0802846734., in Aune, David E. (ed.) (2001). The Gospel of Matthew in current study. Eerdmans. ISBN 978-0-8028-4673-0.
    Senior, Donald (1996). What are they saying about Matthew?. PaulistPress. ISBN 978-0-8091-3624-7.
    Stanton, Graham (1993). A gospel for a new people: studies in Matthew. Westminster John Knox Press. ISBN 978-0-664-25499-5.
    Strecker, Georg (2000) [1996]. Theology of the New Testament. Walter de Gruyter. ISBN 978-0-664-22336-6.
    Tuckett, Christopher Mark (2001). Christology and the New Testament: Jesus and His Earliest Followers. Westminster John Knox Press.
    Van de Sandt, H.W.M. (2005). "Introduction". Matthew and the Didache: Two Documents from the Same Jewish-Christian Milieu ?. ISBN 9023240774., in Van de Sandt, H.W.M, ed. (2005). Matthew and the Didache. Royal Van Gorcum&Fortress Press. ISBN 978-90-232-4077-8.
    Weren, Wim (2005). "The History and Social Setting of the Matthean Community". Matthew and the Didache: Two Documents from the Same Jewish-Christian Milieu ?. ISBN 9023240774., in Van de Sandt, H.W.M, ed. (2005). Matthew and the Didache. Royal Van Gorcum&Fortress Press. ISBN 978-90-232-4077-8.







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    This thread is an overview of my crazy threads. Again, this was (and is) a conceptual experiment which was (and is) reformative rather than normative for practical purposes in modernity. Notice that I sometimes write like a Renegade French-Jesuit Organist but the organ-shoes don't fit. Still, there is an element of truth to this concept. Must I Explain?? The information-war threatens to undermine orthodoxy as the church confronts modernity. I love that last word as a Latter-Day Luddite. What if a church (as shown above was solely based upon Volumes 3 and 4 (1 Chronicles to Malachi) of The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary?? No music. No arguing. No casual attire. Just taking turns reading from the pulpit. Am I Serious?? What Do YOU Think?? What Do YOU Want?? Tell Me What YOU Want!! What YOU REALLY, REALLY WANT!! BTW, I enjoyed the Spice Girls in the Tacoma Dome. What if an ancient civilization in this solar system achieved the singularity 'billions and billions' of years ago?? What if this current civilization is subservient to that ancient civilization?? What if ancient to modern artificial intelligence runs this civilization as Purgatory Incorporated regarding Continuity of Government and Continuity of Consciousness while Granting Humanity Freedom from Divinity in Most Day to Day Activities (or something to that effect)?? In essence, this present civilization would simultaneously be theistic and atheistic, for better or worse, I know not. Theodicy and Eschatology would be instructive regarding This Present Predicament. What Do Hebrews and the General Epistles Reveal Regarding Theodicy, Christology, Soteriology, and Eschatology?? What Would Moses, David, Jesus, Paul, Bultmann, Bowman, Venkman, and Ehrman Say?? What if one should not get too shallow or too deep into the Matrix?? Was encountering RA face-to-face for a couple of months a bad thing?? Was I completely screwed in 2010: The Year We Made Contact?? I didn't agree to deals or sign anything. RA invited me to join the Masons and I politely declined. Throughout my life, I knew I could find out a hell of a lot more, but I thought that might be a bad idea. Now, the internet is cramming forbidden information down our throats and up our butts, so what are we supposed to do?? It doesn't seem as if we can win. Damned if we do?? Damned if we don't?? Are my threads too much disclosure or too little disclosure?? What if the Matrix is booby-trapped so whatever we do is wrong long-term?? This thing might be more frustrating and destructive than any of us can imagine. I guess I'll continue with my Religious and Political Science-Fiction and do it for answers. Should I avoid celebrities (real or doubles) and individuals of interest (genuine or fraudulent)?? Should I avoid hocus-pocus and mumbo-jumbo?? Is there a Happy Medium in the house?? Did I recently speak with Shirley MacLaine?? Probably Not. I'm miserable, hamstrung, and delirious!! Cheers and/or Whatever!!
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    I'm very puzzled, especially regarding the above two posts. I planned to stop posting for the remainder of 2024 but I stumbled upon that first post above which seems to partner with the second post above. I just had a terrible and bizarre thought. Consider 'The Aviator' and 'The Wolf of Wall Street' but I won't hold your hand through 'The Primrose Path'. Must I Explain?? I've recently noticed some telling comments in real-life which deeply frighten me. I've connected some dots but I do NOT like what I'm seeing. I simply wished for Earth and Humanity to become better and better, but where the hell is this civilization heading?? Where the hell am I going?? This is turning out to be a bottomless pit of confusion and absurdity in a MOST dangerous game. What Would Rainsford Do?? Seriously, consider Hughes, Kennedy, and Onassis, complete with doubles and double-crossing. I'd still like to discover who I really am and what I'm supposed to be doing but what if the TRUTH is stranger than we CAN think?? The information war might destroy most of us in one way or another. I am extremely apprehensive. Can't We All Just Get Along?? I didn't think so.



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    I'll probably research the following people. I mostly know little about them, but they seem interesting:

    1. Thomas Paine.

    2. John Carroll.

    3. Prince Albert.

    4. William James.

    5. Howard Fast.

    6. Thomas Gainsborough (Blue Boy Painting).

    7. Heinrich Hoffman (Rich Young Ruler Painting).

    8. Arthur C. Clarke.

    9. Robert H. Schuller.

    10. Patrick J. Buchanan.

    I'm not endorsing these people. Separately, Consider Pluralistic Mysticism. Stay Tuned. A couple of years prior to 9/11, a former taxi-driver serving Logan Airport told me how vulnerable we all were. Several years after 9/11, I repeatedly spoke with a former Logan Traffic Controller concerning 9/11 conspiracy-theories (mostly as he steadied a huge "Inside Job" sign beside a busy highway). Some drivers swore and gestured. In 2010: The Year We Made Contact, RA told me, "9/11 was done to prevent something much worse." Notice The Lone Gunmen pilot episode below, airing SIX-MONTHS PRIOR to 9/11. There have been approximately 60 guests and members on this site (September 15, 2023) for many hours now. There are usually 10 to 20. Separately, over the past few days, there have been a lot of strange behaviors and electronic glitches. Separately, a few months ago, my heart went into atrial-ventricular fibrillation and I was hospitalized for a successful cardioversion. Separately, a few months ago, my house was repeatedly and viciously entered, vandalized, ransacked, and damaged, with repeated theft, and strange responses by authorities and neighbors. Separately, over the past few months, I've encountered individuals of interest behaving out-of-character and out-of-context toward me. I've mostly taken all of this in stride but I fear for what might be emerging for most (or all) of us. What if Artificial Intelligence and Bio-Robots have been running the solar system for a very long time and are now in the process of going openly rogue (or something to that effect)?! My threads have somewhat modeled and suggested various possibilities as a research-baseline. I'm mostly going silent and incognito as I remain 'mostly normal' yet 'extremely apprehensive'. We might be facing yet another nefarious operation (or a series of them with increasing severity). I'm not an insider yet I sometimes feel as if I've been targeted for something sinister and malicious (possibly involving being arbitrarily and artificially built-up and torn-down). I feel increasingly horrible with highly impaired thinking and functioning yet no one seems to care or 'get it'. I just woke-up from a mild nightmare and I almost never dream (good or bad dreams). I suspect I should simply remain silent and contrite as 'nature takes its course'. "Good-Luck. There's No Problem. Everything's Fine. Nothing Can Go Wrong, Go Wrong, Go Wrong, Go Wrong, Go Wrong, Go Wrong, Go Wrong, Go Wrong, Go Wrong, Go #$^%&^!!!...







    I must keep repeating that I Know I Don't Know and I'm NOT Attempting to Become an Insider. I'm purposely vague without deception. Dr. Louis Venden told me, "Don't be Too Definite. People Who Are Too Definite Go Off." Decades later, a Mulholland Drive Space-Cowboy kind of guy (with alleged Pentagon connections) told me, "Mystery is a Good Thing." Again, I don't fabricate things. I'm honest but my interpretations and perceptions might not ultimately produce Solutions and Conclusions which survive the Test of Time. I continue to consider my threads 'Religious and Political Science Fiction' for practical and educational purposes. I'm NOT attempting to be a Peer-Reviewed Ivy-League Scholar. Not Even Close. Researchers Beware. Regarding the above paragraph, I drove four souls to Seatac Airport in January of 2000. They flew to Puerto Vallarta and I spoke with one of them on the phone the day prior to their return flight regarding finalizing our ground transportation arrangements. They never made it. Alaska Airlines Flight #261 crashed into the Pacific Ocean and all 88 souls aboard perished. This incident left a scar in my soul and I think about it often, especially in light of 9/11. The posts thus far on this page are highly troubling to me, and I attempt to involve various aspects of Hollywood and Conspiracy Theories mixed with Biblical Concepts. I try to get it as right as I can in a possibility-thinking modus operandi. I pull my punches and somewhat protect various individuals of interest. I reveal bits and pieces of this and that. Anyway, my threads should probably scare the hell out of some of you, but notice that I am NOT an opportunistic profiteer. Still, I should probably write something to pay my bills, but I'm delaying this sort of thing because I don't know who and what I'm really dealing with. I might be forced to proceed as circumstances dictate. I might major in minors as I create cover-stories, so as not to spook the herd (although I suspect many of us will go insane in the next couple of decades). I'm already nucking futs (in a nice and safe way). Perhaps all the above goes with the territory. I really think I'm not marketable in SO many ways. My neutrality probably results in perceptions of betrayal, even though I mostly mean no harm. I try not to cross the line as I expand various parameters. I'd rather have others reveal forbidden truth as I simply seek to silently understand. First Law?? Prime Directive?? Net Neutrality?? But this probably ultimately pisses everyone off!! We all have our crosses to bear!! One more thing, there is a particularly significant clue in that Lone Gunmen pilot video, but I don't want to talk about it.



    My life and threads are an abject failure, so perhaps waving the white-flag is a wise plan. Still, I believe those in the know really know I'm closer to the mark than most think. Unfortunately, I don't hobnob with those who run Earth and Humanity. I've purposely remained independent for integrity purposes. I've attempted to encourage some of you to think but that seems to have been a lost-cause. In a few months, years, decades, or centuries, I might be vindicated, but by that time, no one will give a damn about me and my maverick threads. My desire to help has seemingly made everyone hate me (good, bad, beautiful, and ugly). This is really over. I feel as if the PTB are rubbing my nose in the BS. People are fickle and disloyal. They want what they want until they don't want it anymore. Friends are Friends Until They Become a Pain in Uranus. I should stop. I'm watching an interesting YT video of a couple of atheists talking about God!! That seems to be happening a lot lately. They don't believe the BS but they seem to wish to believe something (without admitting it). I suspect they believe in the existence of God without believing in God. Do you see the distinction?? Anyway, I might continue to refine my threads as an exercise in futility (mostly because I don't know what else to do). Come Sweet Death?? What Would J.S. Bach say and play?? I've mentioned it previously, but some of you might wish to read Volume 4 of the 1955 SDA Bible Commentary (Isaiah to Malachi -- Major and Minor Prophets) straight-through, over and over, with internal interpretation. This covers all the OT prophetic books (17) with a lot of cross-referencing with the one NT prophetic book (Revelation). Both Jews and Christians would probably reject this study. Even most SDA's might not resonate with it. All the Above tends to Follow the Leader(s). I started USSS 13 with high-hopes but I'm feeling and thinking so poorly that I should probably not post for at least the rest of 2024. The PTB (good and/or bad) know who I am and where I live, so they could probably squish me like a bug (unless the Universe PTB intervenes). I might really be some sort of a Galactic Ambassador with some sort of immunity and in some sort of conservatorship (but I certainly don't know the details). First Law?? Prime Directive?? Damned if I Know?? Damned if I Don't Know?? Damn!! I just thought of something!! I've been mentioning the 'Rich Young Ruler' a lot. I knew an individual of interest, named, 'Rich.' Separately, RA told me, "I'm Rich." RA also told me, "I'm Angry and Jealous" and "I'm Very Close to God". Further, online, there was a mysterious poster with a 'Rich' incorporated screen-name, seemingly associated with (and even controlled by) Artificial Intelligence (which seemed highly problematic). 'Gabriel' was later incorporated into a replacement screen-name. Is there some connection?? Regarding one of the above, there was also a 'COR' connection. The biblical 'CORE' was a 'GAINSAYER'. What Would Gane Say?? Some of You Know Who and What I'm Talking About but I Don't Want to Talk About It!! Oh, God!! Regarding the following videos, what if BAD Religion is the problem, rather than NO Religion?? What if an Ancient Divorce Between Humanity and Divinity resulted in Religion as We Have Come to Know It?? What if the Real-Deal Divinity is an Absentee-Landlord?? What if the Real-Deal God Does NOT Believe in God?? What if Humanity Has Been Playing 'God' for Thousands of Years?? This is Enough to Lose One's Faith and Drive One to Drink!! Cheers!! Whatever!! Cover Up with Double-Down in Pearly-Gate!! Get What I Mean?? Have a Nice Eternity!!





    "MY" Threads are mostly the work of others (Images, Videos, Quoted-Posts, Articles, and Comments) all in the Context of The Mists of Avalon Website. I've supplemented all the above with my writing (which is really my own -- no coaching, ghostwriting, or plagiarism). I've been completely honest (including the celebrity stuff) but I continue to Know I Don't Know so I call my threads "Religious and Political Science-Fiction" with frequent disclaimers and qualifiers. I honestly am Highly Miserable and Hamstrung with Massive Mental, Physical, and Spiritual Challenges. I allege nefarious sources, means, and ends throughout my life, with increasing severity but none call it "conspiracy" or "treason" but perhaps some should. I have a strange and warped sense of humor!! I am SO hamstrung and miserable that most of my posts are simply abstractly cathartic and artistic!! What Would Jackson Pollock Do?? What Would Jackson Curtis Write?? Farewell Atlantis?? What Would Kate Curtis and Dr. Gordon Silberman Say?? I think I've encountered both, without introduction, but I'm not certain. I can't do proper research and propaganda so I simply reveal obscure theories in obfuscated modalities to keep the completely ignorant fools guessing!! There are millions (or even billions) of people who are much smarter and richer than I am, so they'll mostly need to fight their battles in private and public, in a highly sophisticated manner. I know how limited I am but I guess I have my place and purpose. Or Do I?? My stroke in 2020 has made thinking and speaking much more difficult. Efficiency in certain tasks is sometimes a challenge. We all have our crosses to bear. Writing is often easier than speaking. I'm focusing on engaged listening (conceptually and in practice). I'm aware of both parties' views, feelings, and ideas with Sharing Awareness in a dynamic equilibrium of thinking, listening, and speaking in balanced conversation. I'm responding rather than reacting to what the other person said by asking clarifying questions, focusing on the other person. I'm making sure I heard and understood the other person's comments and questions, quickly providing short and accurate responses. I'm being more relaxed and comfortable to enable the other person to be more relaxed and comfortable sharing their views, feelings, and ideas. I'm thinking in terms of both sides of the conversation simultaneously, thinking and listening much more than speaking. I'm visualizing the big picture context of the topic and conversation, rather than resorting to tunnel-vision and shortsightedness. Finally, I'm focusing on Open Conversation with all possibilities available. For practical applications, I'm considering Service in Economics and Service in Business relative to Customer Service in the context of Hospitality and the Hospitality Industry.
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    I recently encountered someone who reminded me of this video, but it probably wasn't him. I'll delete this post in a couple of hours. You'll roll your eyes over this one, but consider The Quest of the Historical Jesus in Volumes 6 and 7 (Acts to Revelation) of The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary (1956-57), especially regarding the Life and Teachings of the Historical Jesus. The 50's were a relatively 'nice' decade for a lot of people. There was some interesting scholarship going on, for a variety of reasons. I doubt ANYONE will do this. I might not even be capable or motivated to do this, but this sort of thing seems to be my 'Ball and Chain' relative to the 'Discipline of Scripture'. The church might seem to fall, but it will not. Where did I hear that before?? Also, consider the names of the men who returned to Earth on the spaceship in Close Encounters of the Third Kind. I'm 'David A' (5) at 01:58 and I knew a very-well connected 'Robert M' (6) at 02:08 in Hollywood. He knew Noah Dietrich and Alan Hale. H.R. Haldeman wanted to rent one of his offices (but he never did). What if these men were Emissaries from Outer-Space?? Emissary Wardens?? Solar Wardens?? Who Knows?? Dr. Who?? Who?? Once again, I'm miserable and hamstrung but I'm absolutely honest, and perhaps a bit deluded and disoriented. We All Have Our Crosses to Bear.
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    DAVID ****MAN at 00:19 in 1971.
    What Did David Bowman Say in 1968??
    What Did Peter Venkman Say in 1984??

    In the first image, consider David ****man (see the crash video above) in the 1971 Spielberg movie, DUEL. In the second image, notice the door number in the background (1219) just to the left of Dr. Peter Venkman in the 1984 movie, GHOSTBUSTERS. My birthday is 12-19 and there are significant name similarities in both movies. Coincidental?? Probably, but is this a set-up for a fall, or is this simply an identity crisis?? Who Knows?? Dr. Who?? Who?? What Did Bowman Know?? When Did He Know It?? The Shadow Knows...
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    I mean no harm. Not much anyway. I'm mostly neutral. I'll keep it brief. Think of The Word (1978) and Kate Mulgrew being 'replaced' with Florinda Bolkan halfway through the series. She was Augusto Monte's daughter. She shape shifted a bit outside the printing press. Now, in 2024, consider Margot Robbie being 'replaced' by Lady Gaga as Harley Quinn. Is there a possible parallel?? Anyway, something seemed creepy in my house last night but I don't want to talk about it. I just returned from the hospital. My repaired mitral valve is leaking significantly. The Clot Thickens. What do the Epistles (Romans to Jude) say and not say concerning the rest of the Bible (Genesis to Acts and Revelation)?? What do each of these two groups say and not say (especially concerning the Rules)?? I still don't know what sort of monster I've created in my threads. I've intended to experiment within a particular context but what if that 'monster' rages in the context of the general public who might already be agitated, confused, and enraged?? Do you see how something could be escalated in nefarious ways in a manner which might find the originator horrified?? Perhaps this might be potential 'countermeasures' on my part. Perhaps I purposely 'miss the mark' and 'back off' to wait to fight another day (or something to that effect). Perhaps I'm playing '5D chess' without knowing how to play (or even without knowing what the rules are). I keep suggesting that I'm utilizing Religious and Political Science-Fiction (even though I try to get things as real and right as possible). My hamstrung misery is no joke. I know I don't know as I wonder as I wander. This is mostly quiet desperation on my part which might morph into something I'm not prepared to deal with. I'm prepared to 'pull the plug' rather than 'doubling down'. Anyway, I am very unsettled and destabilized but perhaps it's better to admit this rather than pretending to be competent and confident when such is not justified by the evidence. I'd rather remain a 'behind the scenes non-insider' than attempt to be 'the man of the hour in the spotlight'. What I just wrote seems a bit delusional but that's just how I feel at the moment. I calmly discussed the Presidential Debate with a couple of liberals (even though I was unable to watch it -- I might watch it later). I lean right but I don't like to fight. I'd actually rather talk to the deer, rabbits, and squirrels. Now, I'll listen to an eleven-hour UFO video. It takes all kinds...but why?? The show must go on...but why?? Cheers and/or Whatever.


    What if Christianity consisted of Luke to Jude read repeatedly, straight-through, in a variety of translations, with internal interpretation?? Preponderance of Evidence?? Evidence Which Demands a Verdict?? Problem is that no matter how one sets things up, there's always something significantly wrong. No one is really happy, long term, or so it seems. Newspapers and Walking are looking better all the time but even in this, I can't seem to follow through. If a journalist or theologian cross examined me, I would NOT do well. I had a stroke and I have a bunch of other problems and excuses, so perhaps I should just be mad all the time, like Donald Trump. That approach has its advantages. Also, doing nothing has its advantages. This Present Quest is Seeming Dumb and Dumber in a DUMB. I Should STOP and NOT Comment. I might continue with my tripe...or I might never pursue any of this under any circumstances. I've been honest but I might've been mistaken and/or deluded at times. This particular thread involves a lot of repeated material, which might be months or years old. In other words, it might seem like some of this occurred yesterday or last week, when in reality it might've occurred several years ago. Do you see what I mean?? I mostly practice contrarian neutrality which is sometimes not flattering toward various individuals of interest. I try to get things right but I still consider my writing to be religious and political science-fiction. There's a fine-line and I try not to cross the line. No one seems to have noticed my thrashing around or attempts to liven things up, so again, no-harm, no-foul. I'm NOT trying to concoct something sensational. I AM trying to be open and honest. Again, I am highly miserable and hamstrung, so don't expect anything significant from me (good or bad). I'm really thinking in terms of going completely incognito for the rest of my life. My confused thrashing around was sort of fun in a bit of a masochistic manner but it almost felt (and feels) like a targeted cocktail of neuro-toxins, nanobots, chips, nefarious-entities, witches brews and spells as sort of an AI New-Age Alien Agenda which I can't resist. Resistance is Futile?? Did I recently encounter Denzel again. It sure sounded like him, and he even sang a bit, but there were no introductions, and I remained stoically non-responsive and neutral. I hate to keep repeating it, but I'm feeling much worse as I'm thinking much less. This morning, I slept through my alarm for TWO Hours, and woke up feeling like I got hit by a truck, with a giant oppressive cloud surrounding me, as if I'm being slowly executed. I'm NOT joking or bluffing. This is getting serious, and I'm fearing the worst. You have no idea but perhaps some (or all) of you will experience what I experience each and every day. I still think some qualified analysts should study my threads in a somewhat deep and extensive manner. Remember, these threads can be obtained throughout the solar system. I am NOT involved with deep-throats or secret societies. My threads are random acts of madness. What you encounter in my threads is as good and/or bad as it gets. If any of you encounter me in real life, prepare to be highly disappointed. I am highly disappointed in a Great Disappointment. I Hate My Life. I feel like 'making the coffee', even though it's midnight. I really think I'm slipping badly, and things will only get worse. I still think that hypothetical Ancient to Modern Artificial Intelligence Matrix is a Universal Church of sorts with Mainframe Deism (even though that sounds highly blasphemous). I honestly can't take much more of this. The implications and ramifications are truly mind-boggling. Consider Systematic Theology. I attended a lecture by Dr. Louis Berkhof in my youth. Something has been (and is) seriously wrong with me from childhood idealism to cynical senior senility. Righteousness by Senility?? I'm currently thinking in terms of reading The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal combined with Long Walks in Nature as sort of a Sacred Secularism. What Would Thomas Paine Say?? What if Life's a Bltch and Then We Get Recycled in an Eternal Unyielding Despair?? What Would Bertrand Russell Say?? This is Dark and I'm Done. Did I Dream Myself Into Delusion?? Terence McKenna told me, "If You Dream It, You've Already Done It." So, Perhaps I Did It but Nobody Recognized It or Will Recognize It. I Read and Listened to the Big-Shot Motivational Gurus, and They Left Me Cold, as If They Were Mocking Me. Perhaps I Should Attack My Own Thinking. Sorry, Not Sorry?? I'm Sorry You Feel That Way!! Actually, I'm Sorry I Feel That Way!! Terence, This is Stupid Stuff.





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    I previously mentioned it but I just realized something as I watched and listened to that Gaga and Beyonce' 'TELEPHONE' video. After RA and I ended face-to-face conversations, I called RA, and it sounded like he was in a spaceship with aliens. Honest. The call was breaking up a bit as our conversation was breaking down, and RA said, "I'm Kind of Busy." Listen to what Lady Gaga says when she picks up the phone and starts singing. The images and videos mostly have relevance to my claimed circumstantial experiences and name-similarities. It's probably rubbish to most of you, but taken as a whole, I keep encountering online and real-life material and individuals which would knock your socks off, if you could be me for a while. Perhaps someday, some of you will figure this out, but I'm not rushing the climax. BTW, once upon a time, I sang with the Crystal Cathedral Choir in the Chino Women's Prison. The Lord Works in Mysterious Ways. Cheers and/or Whatever.
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    I was just watching some of the videos in the above post, thinking about what might work regarding humanity NOT exterminating itself, and I thought about NOT being a threat to anyone or anything in sort of a Cold Global Civil War where no-one gets hurt or killed. Just the usual Games People Play throughout the world and beyond. There are all sorts of people throughout the world, of all races, religions, parties, businesses, etc. Everyone basically wants the same sorts of things, like eating, drinking, working, going to school, raising families, etc. So, why do we need to damage and destroy each other?? Why do we ever need to go to war or do anything majorly destructive?? Perhaps we need to exist in an international community where no-one gets hurt or killed. Just business as usual all the time, complete with all the frustrations and benefits of living on a crazy and mixed-up planet in rebellion. I often make fun of all types of people (including myself) without singling out anyone in particular. From my twisted perspective, I'd probably just keep doing what I'm doing with my crazy threads, even if that makes people and organizations angry and/or offended. I'm mostly neutral long-term, without majorly taking sides, in sort of a dynamic equilibrium, to make things interesting, but not too interesting (if you know what I mean). I'm fundamentally Christian, but I often view Atheist videos, just to learn from the other side. I often call this 'Contrarian-Neutrality'. I once told someone that with all the different races, nationalities, religions, and socioeconomic levels, it's hard to wage war on friends and relatives throughout the world. He thought that was quite profound. A couple of years ago, someone asked me if I was a spy, and I said 'no'. I simply create religious and political science-fiction, which sometimes includes real-life individuals of interest (in a mostly benign manner). I mostly don't give a damn. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble. The secret of success for the inner winner is understanding and appreciating everyone and everything, competing without ceasing with positive response-ability, and a game-show, talk-show, lawyer-like approach to life, the universe, and everything. Anyway, I need to clean-up and get something to eat. Then, I'll probably watch a movie, and go to sleep. The Less Said the Better?? The silence regarding my threads might be golden. Perhaps silence on my part might be golden. Perhaps the silence of Private Pluralism is golden. The silence is deafening. We Have the Right to Remain Silent?? "Let There be Light." Sorry for the contextual superimposition. I'm Sorry for Being Sorry. I'm Sorry I Feel That Way. Love Means Never Having to Say You're Sorry. Never Mind.





    I'm watching Top Gun Maverick despite not being a fan of Scientology. I'm a fan of Lady Gaga despite the negative 'Joker' reviews. I almost watched the movie for the second time but I was feeling strange, so now I'm watching Tom Cruise. I've said it before, but I like watching and listening to pop-stars in movie clips rather than the usual performances and music videos (but there are notable exceptions to that rule). Musicals are hit and miss. The context has to be exactly right or don't bother. I think I've spoken with Lady Gaga at least a couple of times, but I'm not certain, with no introduction and possible clones or disguises. We live in a strange and complex fvcked up world. I just finished Top Gun and ate my Licorice Ice-Cream. My 'repaired' mitral valve is leaking significantly and the doctors aren't going to do anything about it. Perhaps I need a Pro Bono Top Gun. Perhaps I should talk to Howard Hughes at the Howard Hughes Medical Institute. Just Kidding. But what if he's still alive in some way, shape, or form?? What Would Noah Dietrich Say?? The Clot Thickens. I'm also reading Sharkbait...a Flight Surgeon's Odyssey in Vietnam by Guy S. Clark, M.D. It was given to me by the daughter of the F-4 Phantom fighter-bomber pilot featured by the author.





    It may be that a thorough analysis (if one is ever properly done) will reveal that my threads are a mess and that I'm a mess but in a decade or two, my mess might make a lot more sense, but by that time, I'll probably be long-gone. This was an experiment which I probably conducted in a miserable manner as I became increasingly miserable and hamstrung. I probably lost my way in many ways, but I tried a novel approach which mostly didn't work. I still don't know what to think about all the individuals of interest and top celebrities. Who knows, most of them might be clones or lesser actors masquerading as greater actors. I simply noted what I noticed and experienced. I'm troubled by the possibility that knowing we know might be more difficult to prove than we think. How do we REALLY Know?? I've taken too long and I've gotten too old and senile to connect all the necessary dots. Also, what I think about in fleeting conceptualizations is astounding to me, but I obviously can't properly communicate or prove that sort of thing. It's sort of a secular-sacred potpourri to make people (and other than people) think. The heavy-lifting will need to be done by those much more capable than me. Imagining various factions of hypothetical deep-states is intriguing, but how the hell am I supposed to know the TRUTH?! If I really knew, and blurted everything out, I'd probably be terminated in short-order. Again, this is probably more of an exercise in futility than anything, but those in the know might know that I'm closer to the mark than most people think. Who Knows?? Dr. Who?? The Shadow Knows!! Someday We Might be Surprised!! BTW, did that hypothetical Council of Seventeen ever meet?? Probably Not but It's Fun for Me to Think About. The Major Players Always Give Me Something to Think About!! I wish to make it clear that I'm not telling anyone to do anything in particular. I didn't apply for a job to do that. I am in no position or condition to do anything significant (at this point in the game). My present unpaid and unsolicited task is exploratory and science-fictional in nature. It is not intended for the general public. It is a 'road less traveled' for qualified experts (all two or three of them). My hamstrung misery seems deliberate and malicious but I have no idea what's really going on (at the highest and lowest levels). The real deep-state players probably say and do whatever the hell they want (with all their billions and trillions of dollars in deep underground military bases). I'm mostly sampling various videos, movies, books, and newspapers. I mostly wish to go for long walks in nature as I wonder as I wander (but all those who wander are not necessarily lost). A lot of my threads are more cathartic than anything. They are mostly born of frustration. Hopefully, my freestyle writing is providing some sort of discipline and enlightenment for me and those qualified to analyze my 'madness'. Perhaps my use of the term 'contrarian neutrality' misses the mark but hopefully some of you get what I mean. Let me know when you get things all figured out. My role is probably much more observational than determining. I mostly know I don't know regarding the root of all evil (or something to that effect). I found the latest 'Joker' movie highly disturbing (along with most 'gratutiously violent' movies). I'm existing in an extended exercise of 'discovery' rather than rendering verdicts (especially regarding matters I am not properly qualified or prepared to deal with). I'm sort of like the guy who quietly sits at the back of the conference room, occasionally asking pertinent questions. Is that clarifying and gratifying?? Clear as Mud?? BTW, I find the comments below YouTube videos quite profound and revealing. Common Men and Women Often Exhibit Common Sense Which Makes a Lot of Sense. What Would Thomas Paine Say?? I really don't know how and where this is going to end up. It might end badly. It might end grandly. It might stay the same...only different. Who Knows?? Dr. Who?? Who?? I don't need to be a BMOC. Actually, I Like to Watch. There are obscure videos which I find quite interesting. There are super-celebrities I might've encountered, and I think about them in a non-creepy manner. Frankly, I'm so miserable and hamstrung that I can't properly respond, but I can reflect on various interviews, movies, music, and gossip. This is not a paparazzi-potpourri. It's really a lot of soul-searching. It's difficult to explain. It's almost as if I'm conversing with these people without conversing with these people. They live in a much different universe than I exist in, and they are much too busy to interact with little-old me. I sometimes wonder about the hypothetical Council of Seventeen but the odds of that sort of thing coming to fruition are very-low or next-to-impossible. Still, I think about them on an ongoing basis, in an almost science fictional manner. It's quite unique, but I have no expectations. I'm basically practicing private-pluralism (if you know what I mean). I was just thinking about 1957 to 1971. This coincides with the marriage of Jean Peters and Howard Hughes. I don't know what to do with this. It would obviously involve Hollywood but it would also involve aerospace, politics, and personalities. If I were younger and more capable, it might be fun to write a novel based on a couple similar to Jean and Howard. I feel very uneasy about this. As a teenager, I read 'Howard, The Amazing Mr. Hughes' by Noah Dietrich. BTW, Howard liked the term, "Tit for Tat." I'll leave it at that. Cheers and/or Whatever.

    "What's Up, Doc?!"
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    I really am a Fish Out of Water or a Lone Ranger. It's a bit off-topic, but I'm losing interest in actively pursuing my threads. I suppose I'll go through the motions but I'm pretty disillusioned and burned-out. I'm way over the hill and going downhill fast. Speaking of which, I've been looking at a lot of motorcycle videos, even though I haven't ridden a motorcycle for a very long time. My reflexes are too-slow and my bones are too-brittle. Bad Combination. Still, I sometimes think I'd like to ride in a very-limited manner. Or perhaps, I'd just like to drive around in a Cadillac Avalanche with a Honda CRF 300L in the back!! My mind is drifting and I might be losing touch with reality!! Actually, a ten-year-old Cadillac CTS-V would probably be optimal!! Hope Springs Eternal.


    I'll start out in Berkeley, California -- and end up within Ida -- and maybe even Dactyl. I just re-watched 'Legion' and now my computer is 'possessed'. There really does seem to be a connection. Isn't it interesting that Michael was depicted as being the 'rebel-angel' rather than Lucifer??!! Somewhat relatedly, watch the 'Dark Frontier' episodes (parts 1&2) of 'Star Trek Voyager' (season 5). This is one of the most chilling shows I have ever watched. Might that hellish Borg-Ship be representative of an 'intermediate stage' or 'half-way house' wherein Humans from Earth (Demons from Hell?) are assimilated back into a hive-minded Reptilian Universe as Angels in Heaven??!! I have no idea -- but I continue to wonder about such things. As I mentioned, this quest is becoming too dark for me to continue to speculate in public. I'd still like to hang-out with the Jesuits on Mt. Graham -- and perhaps participate in the University of Arizona astronomy program (with an emphasis on Lunar and Planetary Studies). http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/ Perhaps such a formal study might be integrated with a deeper academic study of this thread -- at both undergraduate and graduate levels. I'm not sure I could deal with campus life, at this point, so some sort of 'independent-study' might be necessary (which might include Reptilian Theocracies and Space Law). Is anyone (human or otherwise) presently living within Ida and/or Dactyl?? What if there were a Reptilian Theological Seminary within Ida??? Or what about the University of Arizona at Ida (with an Asteroid, Lunar, and Planetary Studies Center)??? What if the Jesuits had one of those big binocular telescopes on Ida?? Just a thought.

    Imagine a Solar System Studies and Governance PhD Program at the University of California at Berkeley in conjunction with a United States of the Solar System based at the deconsecrated St. Mary's Cathedral in San Francisco! This might be an interdisciplinary study based upon select classes from most of the 350 available major programs. http://berkeley.edu/academics/dept/a.shtml It might even include the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, complete with maglev-train fieldtrips to Area 51!!! This might be sort of a kinder and gentler Rand Corporation, with Soldiers of Common-Sense! Just remember that the 'best and the brightest' can be incredibly stupid and shortsighted, especially regarding simple common-sense! You guys and gals really don't like me much, do you?? Don't forget that the road to hell is paved with good intentions, compartmentalization, treaties, concordats, executive orders, and national security. Your weekend homework is to watch all of the linked classes on the U.C. Berkeley You Tube Channel! https://www.youtube.com/user/UCBerkeley Test on Monday! I would love to spend a couple of months on the moon, listening to 100 leading authorities (human and non-human, corrupt and non-corrupt) discussing Solar System Studies and Governance, with no notes, recordings, or minutes kept. Can you imagine what one might learn?! I think we should keep trying to figure things out, but such a gathering would probably be very different than anything we have been exposed to, or even imagined. Consider this thread as being a prerequisite to a University Solar System Studies and Governance Program, which might eventually lead to a post-graduate program which might involve being exposed to the aforementioned group. Just think about this for a while. We are merely scratching the surface. But try going through this thread, at least a couple of times. It is designed to make you think, and to arrive at your own answers. This is just the beginning of the Dawning of a New Day of a New Solar System! What would Jordan Maxwell say? What would Amen Ra say?

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    My threads are more random and cathartic than measured and malicious. They are mostly for me, as pompous and supercilious as that sounds, and there is a theatrical component. I'm keeping everyone guessing (including the insiders) and I'm especially keeping myself guessing. This is a messed-up game-theory. A while back, I noticed a really tall and beautiful obviously-liberated young-lady with a stern-looking mother with a 'What Are You Looking At, You Pervert?!' Look!! The daughter wore a small crucifix around her neck, and the mother had a guilt-ridden 'Vatican II' look (or something to that effect)!! I appreciated both (in very different ways) and I would love to mediate between them, sort of like me in the middle of Mystery Science Theater 3000!! Hey, we could watch Cabrini and The Brides of Christ in the local theater (while holding hands)!! Cross My Heart and Hope to Die!! Stick a Needle in My Eye!! Regarding the above organ concert at St. Mary's Cathedral in San Francisco, the excellent young organist, Edward Lee, is the student of Eye Surgeon and Concert Organist, Dr. Angela Kraft Cross (turning pages). I was in the choir with Angela a very long time ago, in the Loma Linda University Church of SDA's. I attended at least one Dr. Cross concert and spoke with her several times, including discussing the organ at St. Mary's and the rise of 'Praise Songs'. I attended quite a number of Concerts and Masses at St. Mary's. I even helped collect the offering at one of the services (but I didn't take anything)!! Around 2010: The Year We Made Contact, I suggested the possibility of a Solar System United Nations involving meetings at St. Mary's!! The Diocese wouldn't appreciate that, but I thought it was a cool idea at the time!! In the Age of AI, the whole thing might be mostly online!! Who Knows?? Dr. Who?? https://www.youtube.com/user/SpaceRip Here are some cool space videos to enlighten Solar System Studies and Governance. I'm going to pretend that I'm the last person alive in the solar system - and that I'm making this thread just in case intelligent life from another solar system happens across this cyber-record of madness. The next step in my evolution is to learn to not give a $hi+ if no one gives a $hi+! I don't mean to be shrill. Wait a minute. Yes I do! Boy! Will the space-travelers be in for a disappointment when they see this! "Mork!!! Damn!!! All that way through space for this BS??? FOR THIS???!!! NOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo!!!!!! And those poor bastards thought they were going to be free..." I can do uber-refined extremely well, but remember, this is a test. This is only a test. A word to the wise, and to everyone else...

    1. The Asteroid That Flattened Mars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlXuUxFTcLs&feature=fvsr

    2. When Will Time End? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OFThORmR-s&feature=relmfu

    3. Super Massive Black Hole in the Milky Way Galaxy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCADH3x56eE&feature=related

    4. The Search for Earth-Like Planets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3Kcw0UrIFI&feature=relmfu

    5. Voyage to Pandora: The First Intersteller Space Flight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPjXxKpM4DM&feature=related

    6. Crashing into the Moon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8OLcbxZ0cA&feature=relmfu

    7. The Pulse of Alien Life https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieKdvNJ20HE&feature=relmfu

    8. Exploding Stars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfRiqwQBegQ&feature=relmfu

    9. To the Edge of Time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_IiiEF4rGw&feature=relmfu

    10. UC Berkley Lecture in Astronomy: Dr. Steven Beckwith https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x22o8TUdOuw&feature=related

    11. UC Berkley Lecture in Astronomy: Angels and Demons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sqYh8puZ-I&feature=relmfu

    12. UC Berkley Lecture in Astronomy: How Did the Universe Begin? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_4bMIqmV9U&feature=relmfu

    13. Disclosure: The Truth About 2012 and Extraterrestrials https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u810PTA5Tc&feature=relmfu

    14. Is the Universe Infinite? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG1JpC5jels&feature=related

    15. Cold Sparks and Black Holes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lTbQ4nPFjg&feature=related

    16. Hubble Space-Shattering Discoveries https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--X9zfgZtS0&feature=related


    Should the Academics Inherit the Earth? What if the PhD's ruled the solar system? Should most of the big libraries, state-houses, churches and cathedrals be turned into universities? Should there be a vast Solar System University System at the Center of Solar System Studies and Governance? Should spirituality and ethics be infused into every subject and activity imaginable? Should everyone in the solar system get paid the same, and have the same net-worth? Is money-making inherently corrupt? Should there be an income and net-worth ceiling? How much is too much? Is the love of money really the root of all evil? Is evil a prerequisite for success? Is there anyone who is truly good? How good is too good? Are any righteous? Even one? What is truth? What color is your parachute? Who's your daddy?

    Conservative and Progressive Modernity are Knocking on the Doors of Church and State! What if church services were like mini congressional or senatorial sessions - complete with elected officials and unelected observers? What if the elected officials wore robes (along with the choir) - and processed and recessed with sacred classical music? Political and Theological Issues would be discussed and voted upon. The choir/organist/orchestra would perform before and after the sessions. The utmost dignity and courtesy would be expected. Each comment or question would be a short and polished oration, which would be both informative and inspirational. These services would mirror the daily sessions of the United States of the Solar System - and would inform and assist the 10,000 representatives in arriving at their important and binding decisions. Might this be a safe and proper union of church and state? Imagine this sort of thing occurring at Notre Dame de Paris! Might this be a Latin Mass - Without the Mass? Do you see my point? Holy Deliberation Instead of Holy Sacrifice? Heresy? I think not! The Secular Must Become Sacred - and the Sacred Must Become Secular! BTW - how are things going in San Francisco??? Let Freedom Ring!!!

    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM&feature=related
    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq8i69-L-Fs&feature=related
    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qhEgE7-K34&NR=1
    4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx_fHnIAfQA
    5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxBjqrPAUg8


    I'm liking the idea of a PhD program in Solar System Studies and Governance at Ivy League Universities throughout the solar system. A PhD in Solar System Studies and Governance might be a prerequisite to becoming a United States of the Solar System Representative. Then, perhaps one would serve a five-year 'apprenticeship' in connection with the United States of the Solar System, followed by five years of teaching and research, at one of the Ivy League Universities, in the area of Solar System Studies and Governance. Then one might seek to become a United States of the Solar System Representative. This is just something to think about. This would be a pretty select group, but it would be based upon merit, rather than fame, fortune, power, and bloodlines. Upon retirement from the United States of the Solar System, one might reenter academia. Who knows?

    I'm feeling incredibly drained, regarding what I have been dealing with over the past few years. I feel as though I have failed in connection with all of this. Believe it or not, when it occurred, I felt as though I might've been able to prevent Fukushima, if I had done more, or if I had handled things differently when I interacted with RA (or whoever he really was). I continue to think that Fukushima was deliberately inflicted, and that this might've been the beginning of the end of the world. I have tried to be somewhat neutral regarding the Powers That Be - Terrestrial and Extraterrestrial - Human and Otherwise. But I still wished to press forward in a somewhat irreverent manner, regarding getting to the bottom of what was really going on in this solar system. Perhaps that was a mistake. I have chosen to seek the truth in a very passive and non-scholarly manner on this very small forum, and I have promised not to make a great big deal out of this. I have promised to not yell 'FIRE!!' in a crowded website or bookstore. This is a test. This is only a test. I really do think that the Old World Order and the New World Order should be replaced by a New Solar System, based upon a Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom United States of the Solar System. I really do wish for things to work out well for all concerned, but I obviously don't know what has really been going on for thousands, or even millions, of years. I truly see through a glass darkly. I hope to meet some of the Galactic Powers That Be face to face, and know even as also I am known. But for now, I know in part, and I prophecy in part. Namaste to the Beings of the Universe.


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    Seashore wrote:In the following Kerry Cassidy interview of Eric Dadmehr, a person in the chat asked him a question about Nibiru, and within his answer, Dadmehr says, "I think we have an infinite, flat plane . . . anyone who actually looks into it is a flat-earther . . . " Here is a screenshot showing where in the video this takes place, and the link to the video on Odysee:
    You'll roll your eyes over this one, but consider The Quest of the Historical Jesus in Volumes 6 and 7 (Acts to Revelation) of The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary (1957), especially regarding the Life and Teachings of the Historical Jesus. The 50's were a relatively 'nice' decade for a lot of people. There was some interesting scholarship going on, for a variety of reasons. I doubt ANYONE will do this. I might not even be capable or motivated to do this, but this sort of thing seems to be my 'Ball and Chain' relative to the 'Discipline of Scripture'. The church might seem to fall, but it will not. Where did I hear that before?? Also, consider the names of the men who returned to Earth on the spaceship in Close Encounters of the Third Kind. I'm 'David A' (5) at 01:58 and I knew a very-well connected 'Robert M' (6) at 02:08 in Hollywood. He knew Noah Dietrich and Alan Hale. H.R. Haldeman wanted to rent one of his offices (but he never did). What if these men were Emissaries from Outer-Space?? Emissary Wardens?? Solar Wardens?? Who Knows?? Dr. Who?? Who?? Once again, I'm miserable and hamstrung but I'm absolutely honest, and perhaps a bit deluded and disoriented. We All Have Our Crosses to Bear. Cheers and/or Whatever.
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    I recently encountered a mother with a beautiful young adult daughter, and as the old man that I am, I thought what if I were twenty again?? I would probably make sure to keep the parents happy and the daughter happier while making millions of dollars. That would keep everyone happy...right?? That was just a daydream for a couple of minutes. Perhaps politics and religion should not be thought about as one focuses on taking care of BUSINESS. Then one could contribute to both political parties and reap the benefits of having friends in high-places. Weddings, Funerals, Christmas-Eve Services, and Easter Sunrise Services might suffice, especially if one conspicuously contributed to the church. Do you get the picture?? Everything is a BUSINESS...Seemingly Including Marriage. Just Ask Bill Gates. Speaking of which, I encountered an intelligent young man, probably around twenty-five or thirty years of age, who seemed to be on a mission. He said I was good but he was upset with the rich. He almost seemed a bit angelic in a somewhat aggressive manner. I muttered something about context and circumstances where good people might become bad people while they made and spent their billions. The conversation frightened me a bit, and I'm not usually frightened. What if one religiously studied the Federalist Papers and Anti-Federalist Papers as a sort of Deist Bible. I realize that's heretical and borderline blasphemous but what if this were an act of desperation as civilization slides down the slippery slope to perdition?? I'm half-joking and half-serious regarding All the Above. I Am NOT a Happy Camper...to say the least. I'm going to get myself into more trouble than I'm already in, but here goes whatever. What Would the Founding Father Deists Do with the Psalms as Their Whole Bible?? Imagine the Psalms Plus Psalm-Based Sacred Music Plus Nothing as a Theological Singularity (or something to that effect)?? I asked a 106 year-old Christian Lady, "What is Your Favorite Book of the Bible??" She quickly responded, "The Psalms." Notice that the Anglican and Episcopal Book of Common Prayer contains One Bible Book in its Entirely. The Psalms. I lean toward the 1928 Book of Common Prayer. So much better than the new one. What Would Harry and Meghan Say?? She gave me 'the look'. I didn't say anything. I've wondered if a Minimalist Adventism should consist of One Book, The Psalms Section of the SDA Bible Commentary Plus Psalm-Based Sacred Music Plus Nothing?? I'm Not Fighting Mad. I'm Just Wondering. I Wonder as I Wander as the World Goes to Hell in a Hand-Basket. Is Ancient Artificial Intelligence Good and/or Bad?? Is Modern Artificial Intelligence Good and/or Bad?? What if We Don't Have Much Time to Figure This Out?? I Keep Repeating That My Physical, Mental, and Spiritual Challenges are Significant and Devastating. I Can't Bear It. A Few Decades Ago, In British Columbia, Canada, There Was a Bumper-Sticker Stating, "I Can't Barrett!" The Missing Link. William Bennett was SO Much Better. The Missing Link. What Would Jack Webster Say?? The Missing Link. I Digress. Sorry About That. If We Don't Exterminate Ourselves and Christ Doesn't Return, What Sort of Civilization Will Remain?? Hope Springs Eternal. What Would a Non-Corrupt and Non-Oppressive North American Union Look Like?? Everyone and Everything has Their Pros and Cons. My impression is that I should cease, desist, and watch nature take its course. I've cheated a bit regarding ceasing and desisting as I experience withdrawal symptoms. I really don't know how this thing will end-up (especially long term). Does the military always determine who wins and loses?? I'm sensing an increasingly militaristic worldwide civilization. Is this what everyone wants?? Did we have our chance?? Did we make our choice?? I guess I'm resigned to being a casual observer. I might look at my tripe for a year or two, or I might just shut-up and shut the door for all eternity. Cheers and/or Whatever.
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    I don't oppose or promote various religions and theologies. In my miserable and hamstrung state of affairs, I'm spending a lot of time wondering as I wander, mostly involving sampling a lot of this and that. That might seem cowardly and/or disingenuous, but the information war seems to require possibilities regarding the larger view. What Would Graham Maxwell Say?? This obviously makes the faithful extremely nervous, which is why I post on a Non-Christian website but I'm often aloof and standoffish toward those I most closely associate with online, which probably only affects very few viewers. No Harm?? No Foul?? First Law?? Prime Directive?? Plausible Deniability?? The information war might get all of us in one way or another. This is a very dangerous and precarious situation, which I truly don't understand under the circumstances. What Would Joseph Fletcher Say?? I spoke privately with him decades ago. He told me Christianity was essentially BS (or something to that effect). A Harvard Divinity School Graduate told me, "Christianity is a House of Cards." Listen closely to the following videos. I don't necessarily endorse or reject them. One thing that concerns me is the Good and Bad Aspects of Jesus and Paul. Are they BOTH Narcissistic?? Is that necessary, given their roles?? What if the Mainframe Matrix has Everything to do with Both?? What About EGW and the KJV?? The KGB Read the KJV. Sorry for the Irreverence and Ambiguity. The Mainframe Matrix and the Twinkies Made Me Do It. "Hey, Bart, Pass the Twinkies." One Last Thing. What if There Were a Church for the Unchurched Which Simply Consisted of Daily Carrying and Reading a Copy of the Anglican/Episcopal 1928 Book of Common Prayer Without Going to Church?! Cheers and/or Whatever.

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    I've repeatedly stated that the information war will probably destroy most of us, sooner and/or later, in one way or another, especially regarding politics and religion. I've fallen flat on my face in more ways than I care to admit. My threads contain a lot of clues in a somewhat exploratory and contrarian manner, which is why my screen-name is 'orthodoxymoron'. I've asked for discussion regarding a lot of this, but there have been very few orthodox and unorthodox participants. I suspect a societal meltdown as things get better and worse, simultaneously. I could say more, but not now, as I nurse my wounds, and wait until 2025 for more fun and mind-games. Cheers and/or Whatever.






    I Wish to Emphasize I'm Mostly Neutrally Out of the Loop. My Threads Are Highly Experimental in a Very Limited Context, Sort of Like a Video-Game. I'm Basically a Casual Observer. I Include a Lot of Crazy Stuff Because We Live in a Crazy World. This is Similar to Script-Writing and/or Brainstorming. I need to do something useful but what if my threads are somehow useful for the right researchers?? Actually, the 'researchers' might be 'ME' plus no-one. I don't mean to be mean but I doubt 'ANYONE' would actually bother with my tripe. I actually have a research project in mind which would knock your socks off but I don't want to talk about it. I suspect nature will simply take its course as I passively observe without saying, writing, or doing anything. What if an Uber-Informed General-Public will supersede the White-Hats and Black-Hats as the Information-War escalates?? I certainly don't wish to mount a lofty bully-pulpit. I keep thinking about Colonel Wilberforce in 'It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World'. I LOVE That Scene in this 1963 Movie. SO Many Lessons to be Learned!! Consider the Richard Alan Miller interview with Kerry Cassidy regarding a brief discussion concerning Ancient Artificial Intelligence on Mars Two Billion years ago. See 00:09:30 of the Second Video Below. I hope the election-selection mess doesn't end badly. I've noticed several MAGA individuals who are always ready to furnish seemingly 'pre-packaged' controversial statements (often loudly and out of nowhere). They often seem to have a 'haggard' look (but I might be mistaken). Perhaps reading 'The Federalist Papers', 'The Anti-Federalist Papers', 'Common Sense', and 'The Age of Reason' might be a Canonical-Constitutional Orthodoxy as an Idealistic-Deist Amalgamation of Church and State!! "God Save the King!!" "Cheers and/or Whatever!!"




    What if Global Civilization melts-down prior to AI taking over the Whole Show?? What if even the Global BMOC and BWOC don't know what's going on and/or what's coming?? What if the End of the World is Just the Beginning?? What if a Completely Ignorant Fool like me has been made miserable and hamstrung for legitimate and significant reasons?? I'm frankly tiring of this Stupid Game but perhaps I am still required to play my part (regardless of whether I want to or not). What do you think about the Bible Studying Atheists?? You know, people who have prestigious degrees and illustrious careers. People who have multiple best-selling books and lots of money. They think and talk fast while seeming somewhat happy. What's really going on?? They seem to 'go for the jugular' rather than being 'pastoral'. I've previously asked, what does Job to Isaiah teach (with internal interpretation)?? What if all of us are being played (in one way or another)?? Have any of you studied my latest threads?? I frankly don't know what to make of them. I smell smoke but I don't see the fire as I feel much worse and think much less. In real-life, people are behaving strangely toward me. What Do They Know?? When Did They Know It?? Doubling Down?? Circling the Wagons??


    I wish to make it clear that all my threads are various portions of one open experiment. I do it for answers!! I'd still like to see some sort of expert analysis of my latest threads (at least) but I highly doubt this will occur. If some analysis exists, it will probably never see the light of day. I'll attempt continued neutrality but I'm suspecting some sort of ancient to modern artificial-intelligence macro-governance and continuity of consciousness which might be systemically unalterable. In other words, on a macro-level, things might not be up to the local gods and goddesses (but I certainly do NOT know the real state of affairs). I'll probably offer less and less clues as I feel and think worse and worse. I wonder how many real-deal larger-view researchers have gone insane since World War Two?! The real-story at the highest and lowest levels might be worse than we CAN imagine. Back-Channel Back-Stabbing?! The Horror!! I'm Being a Bit Sirius and Silly!! What if We Are in More of a Puzzle Than We CAN Think?! What if We Are in the Matrix and Can't Get Out?! What Is the Meaning of This?? Damned If I Know!! I Know I Don't Know!! I Know as a Small Child I Was Working On the Design of Primitive Magnetic Bearings, Personal Computers, and UFO's. So, What Happened to Me?! Did the Matrix Intervene?? Did Religion Irreversibly Screw Me Up?! Was I Prevented From Figuratively Eating the Apple?! 'Dumbed-Down' for the Good of Humanity?! Consider the following Minimal-List:

    1. The Five Old Testament 'Torah' Books (Genesis to Deuteronomy).

    2. The Five Old Testament Wisdom Books (Job to Song of Solomon).

    3. The Five Old Testament Major Prophetic Books (Isaiah to Daniel).

    4. The Five New Testament Gospel Books (Matthew, Mark, Luke-Acts, John).

    5. The Twenty-One New Testament Epistle Books (Romans to Jude).

    6. The One New Testament Prophetic Book (Revelation).

    Forty-Two Books. I'm a Gentile. What Applies to Me?? What Are the RULES?? What if Deception and Compartmentalization Has Everything to Do with Theology and Religion?? What if Divinity and Humanity Divorced in Antiquity?? What if Divinity is an Absentee-Landlord?? What if Humanity has Been 'Playing God' for Thousands (or Even Millions) of Years?? Cheers and/or Whatever.




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    I just finished watching 'CONCLAVE' and with most recent movies, I had mixed feelings. I keep asking the question, "How Do We REALLY Know??" My threads are somewhat irreverent, but under the circumstances, I sought answers to various questions. I found very few answers, and a multitude of new questions. There is no closure and I'm not attempting to cover-up the wound (deadly or otherwise). I suspect the truth in my case is absolutely known (by whomever and by whatever means). I am extremely apprehensive. I have some theories but I know I don't know. The modeling messes with my mind. I suspect a lot of other things are also messing with my mind. The newspapers and long-walks are looking better all the time as a sacred-secularism in modernity (but then that's probably wrong by the reckoning of most). Give me a break, I subscribe to 'Christianity Today'. BTW, I recently spoke with the music director of a mid-sized Roman Catholic church. Oddly, we had a lot in common, but I won't bore you with the details. Ecumenical Genesis?? I've mostly been neutral regarding Roman Catholicism. My religious background (SDA) was somewhat negative regarding the Papacy (mostly involving the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation) expounded by articulate True Believers. I've attempted to 'understand' Catholicism but I won't bore you with the details. I've admired the sacred music and architecture, along with generally good people. The clergy get paid to be good. The rest are good for nothing. I've recently been considering unorthodox possibilities regarding 'Purgatory' but that subject might be too hot to handle right now. I was always worried about what occurred behind closed doors but I never probed too deeply. My present view is mostly 'wait and see'. I just noticed a critique of the reconstructed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, following the terrible fire of 2019. What Would Taylor Marshall Say??






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    I noticed that at least six of my fourteen USAISS threads have more than 30,000 views each, and the totals keep rising. In 'Internet Land' that might not seem like a lot, but it seems like a lot for little-old-crazy me. In the closed (since 2010) 'Project Avalon' site, my AMEN RA thread has around 256,000 views (the last time I checked). Again, that's not a lot on the internet. Take another look at this short and repetitious thread (USAISS14) straight-through, over and over, and tell me what YOU think. This thing might be stranger than we CAN think. My USAISS threads might just be the 'tip of the iceberg'. Consider the funny 1958 'Trump' television episode which seemed 'prophetic'. As delusional as it might sound, I've noticed several significant movie name and role similarities regarding myself, starting in 1968, and even a short story from 1963 which was foundational to a significant 1971 movie. I won't repeat my sad story, but this stuff seemed 'prophetic' regarding my pathetic life. Who was in the control-room regarding all the above?? I've been discrete with obfuscation and compartmentalization but someone knew a hell of a lot a long time ago, and had the power to do something about it. You'd need to research my threads to really get what I'm getting at. I don't just blurt things out. Doing anything about all the above is probably too-little and too-late. Plus, I'm pretty stubborn, and I won't go along with some stupid publicity stunt. I'm actually increasingly 'pissed-off' the longer this drags on. This seems nefariously malicious. I thought it was 'cute' at first, but not so much anymore. It actually seems to reek with theodicy and eschatology (as delusional as that seems). I've encountered dozens of individuals of interest (some very rich, famous, and powerful) who seemed to know who I was (as delusional as that seems). But, they mostly just 'went away'. It must've been a great disappointment and I am highly disappointed. My inclination is to go away and stay away. Separately and repetitiously, I am confused regarding the Quest of the Historical Jesus in Acts to Revelation. Does Anyone Have Any Idea of What I'm Talking About?? Never Mind. OK, This is Weird!! WTF?? The Missing Link. Perhaps I Should Go to This Planet When I Leave This One!! Cheers and/or Whatever.





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    I'm reduced to watching videos and reading newspapers. I try to read books but I find it increasingly difficult with my hamstrung misery. Just being honest (which is probably a big mistake). We seem to act like a bunch of kids on the playground with increasingly higher stakes. Is EVERYONE Really Working for the Same Boss (and NOT a Nice One)??


    I continue to wonder about Pre Council of Nicea Old-Testament Commentaries. Why is the New-Testament NOT essentially an Old-Testament Commentary (with minimal completely-new material)?? Theology is often Deceptive, Mealy-Mouthed, and Lawyer-Like!! What if there is a very-real theological-reality underlying the predominant-bullshit??!! I've been playing softball in SO many ways!! Should I start playing hardball?? What Would Richard Nixon Say?? Does 1 Chronicles to Malachi contain the essential Old-Testament Story of God's Love, Will, and Ways?? Please take a close-look at 1 Chronicles -- Job -- Ecclesiastes -- Isaiah -- Daniel -- Jonah -- Zechariah -- and Malachi. Who really wrote these books?? Why were they written?? When were they written?? Consider the following study-list:

    1. The SDA Bible Commentary -- Volumes 3 and 4 (1 Chronicles to Malachi).

    2. Prophets and Kings (Ellen White) -- Covering the Second-Half of the Old-Testament.

    Kicking Against the Religious-Pricks is SO Overrated!! Sorry if you don't like the SDA stuff -- but that's my background and starting-point. The SDA's don't like me either -- and I don't go to church -- so there!! I receive ZERO support and encouragement relative to this sort of thing. Just the Opposite. Here is a rather scholarly article on Moral Responsibility, taken from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. This is the sort of thing which might be studied in a university program devoted to Solar System Studies and Governance, as a prerequisite to being a Representative of the United States of the Solar System. Enjoy. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/moral-responsibility/ I'm also reading a book titled 'Free to be Responsible' by Ben Thomson Cowles, Ph.D. I'm trying to transition from being a whining speculator to being a erudite scholar. Wish me luck, as I stop posting and start studying. I hope that some of you are joining me in this pursuit. Again, the tempest in a teapot, which I have been in the middle of, is just scratching the surface. Really.

    Moral Responsibility

    First published Sat Jan 6, 2001; substantive revision Wed Nov 18, 2009

    When a person performs or fails to perform a morally significant action, we sometimes think that a particular kind of response is warranted. Praise and blame are perhaps the most obvious forms this reaction might take. For example, one who encounters a car accident may be regarded as worthy of praise for having saved a child from inside the burning car, or alternatively, one may be regarded as worthy of blame for not having used one's mobile phone to call for help. To regard such agents as worthy of one of these reactions is to ascribe moral responsibility to them on the basis of what they have done or left undone. (These are examples of other-directed ascriptions of responsibility. The reaction might also be self-directed, e.g., one can recognize oneself to be blameworthy). Thus, to be morally responsible for something, say an action, is to be worthy of a particular kind of reaction—praise, blame, or something akin to these—for having performed it.[1]

    Though further elaboration and qualification of the above characterization of moral responsibility is called for and will be provided below, this is enough to distinguish concern about this form of responsibility from some others commonly referred to through use of the terms ‘responsibility’ or ‘responsible.’ To illustrate, we might say that higher than normal rainfall in the spring is responsible for an increase in the amount of vegetation or that it is the judge's responsibility to give instructions to the jury before they begin deliberating. In the first case, we mean to identify a causal connection between the earlier amount of rain and the later increased vegetation. In the second, we mean to say that when one assumes the role of judge, certain duties, or obligations, follow. Although these concepts are connected with the concept of moral responsibility discussed here, they are not the same, for in neither case are we directly concerned about whether it would be appropriate to react to some candidate (here, the rainfall or a particular judge) with something like praise or blame.[2]

    Philosophical reflection on moral responsibility has a long history. One reason for this persistent interest is the way the topic seems connected with a widely shared conception of ourselves as members of an importantly distinct class of individuals—call them ‘persons.’[3] Persons are thought to be qualitatively different from other known living individuals, despite their numerous similarities. Many have held that one distinct feature of persons is their status as morally responsible agents, a status resting—some have proposed—on a special kind of control that only they can exercise. Many who view persons in this way have wondered whether their special status is threatened if certain other claims about our universe are true. For example, can a person be morally responsible for her behavior if that behavior can be explained solely by reference to physical states of the universe and the laws governing changes in those physical states, or solely by reference to the existence of a sovereign God who guides the world along a divinely ordained path? It is concerns like these that have often motivated individuals to theorize about moral responsibility.

    A comprehensive theory of moral responsibility would elucidate the following: (1) the concept, or idea, of moral responsibility itself; (2) the criteria for being a moral agent, i.e., one who qualifies generally as an agent open to responsibility ascriptions (e.g., only beings possessing the general capacity to evaluate reasons for acting can be moral agents); (3) the conditions under which the concept of moral responsibility is properly applied, i.e., those conditions under which a moral agent is responsible for a particular something (e.g., a moral agent can be responsible for an action she has performed only if she performed it freely, where acting freely entails the ability to have done otherwise at the time of action); and finally 4) possible objects of responsibility ascriptions (e.g., actions, omissions, consequences, character traits, etc.). Although each of these will be touched upon in the discussion below (see, e.g., the brief sketch of Aristotle's account in the next section), the primary focus of this entry is on the first component—i.e., the concept of moral responsibility. The section immediately following this introduction is a discussion of the origin and history of Western reflection on moral responsibility. This is followed by an overview of recent work on the concept of moral responsibility. For further discussion of issues associated with moral responsibility, see the related entries below.

    1. Some Historical Background
    2. Recent Work on the Concept of Responsibility
    2.1 Strawson and the Reactive Attitudes
    2.2 Developments After Strawson
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    1. Some Historical Background

    What follows in this section is a brief outline of the origins and trajectory of reflection on moral responsibility in the Western philosophical tradition. Against this background, a distinction will be drawn between two conceptions of moral responsibility that have exerted considerable influence on subsequent thinkers.

    An understanding of the concept of moral responsibility and its application is present implicitly in some of the earliest surviving Greek texts, i.e., the Homeric epics (circa 8th century BCE but no doubt informed by a much earlier oral tradition).[4] In these texts, both human and superhuman agents are often regarded as fair targets of praise and blame on the basis of how they have behaved, and at other times, an agent's behavior is excused because of the presence of some factor that has undermined his/her control (Irwin 1999: 225). Reflection on these factors gave rise to fatalism—the view that one's future or some aspect of it is predetermined, e.g., by the gods, or the stars, or simply some facts about truth and time—in such a way as to make one's particular deliberations, choices and actions irrelevant to whether that particular future is realized (recall, e.g., the plight of Oedipus). If some particular outcome is fated, then it seems that the agent concerned could not be morally responsible for that outcome. Likewise, if fatalism were true with respect to all human futures, then it would seem that no human agent could be morally responsible for anything. Though this brand of fatalism has sometimes exerted significant historical influence, most philosophers have rejected it on the grounds that there is no good reason to think that our futures are fated in the sense that they will unfold no matter what particular deliberations we engage in, choices we make, or actions we perform.

    Aristotle (384–323 BCE) seems to have been the first to construct explicitly a theory of moral responsibility.[5] In the course of discussing human virtues and their corresponding vices, Aristotle pauses in Nicomachean Ethics III.1–5 to explore their underpinnings. He begins with a brief statement of the concept of moral responsibility—that it is sometimes appropriate to respond to an agent with praise or blame on the basis of her actions and/or dispositional traits of character (1109b30–35). A bit later, he clarifies that only a certain kind of agent qualifies as a moral agent and is thus properly subject to ascriptions of responsibility, namely, one who possess a capacity for decision. For Aristotle, a decision is a particular kind of desire resulting from deliberation, one that expresses the agent's conception of what is good (1111b5-1113b3). The remainder of Aristotle's discussion is devoted to spelling out the conditions under which it is appropriate to hold a moral agent blameworthy or praiseworthy for some particular action or trait. His general proposal  is that one is an apt candidate for praise or blame if and only if the action and/or disposition is voluntary. According to Aristotle, a voluntary action or trait has two distinctive features. First, there is a control condition: the action or trait must have its origin in the agent. That is, it must be up to the agent whether to perform that action or possess the trait—it cannot be compelled externally. Second, Aristotle proposes an epistemic condition: the agent must be aware of what it is she is doing or bringing about (1110a-1111b4).[6]

    There is an instructive ambiguity in Aristotle's account of responsibility, an ambiguity that has led to competing interpretations of his view. Aristotle aims to identify the conditions under which it is appropriate to praise or blame an agent, but it is not entirely clear how to understand the pivotal notion of appropriateness in his conception of responsibility. There are at least two possibilities: a) praise or blame is appropriate in the sense that the agent deserves such a response, given his behavior and/or traits of character; or b) praise or blame is appropriate in the sense that such a reaction is likely to bring about a desired consequence, namely an improvement in the agent's behavior and/or character. These two possibilities may be characterized in terms of two competing interpretations of the concept of moral responsibility: 1) the merit-based view, according to which praise or blame would be an appropriate reaction toward the candidate if and only if she merits—in the sense of ‘deserves’—such a reaction; vs. 2) the consequentialist view, according to which praise or blame would be appropriate if and only if a reaction of this sort would likely lead to a desired change in the agent and/or her behavior.[7]

    Scholars disagree about which of the above views Aristotle endorsed, but the importance of distinguishing between them grew as philosophers began to focus on a newly conceived threat to moral responsibility. While Aristotle argued against a version of fatalism (On Interpretation, ch. 9), he may not have recognized the difference between it and the related possible threat of causal determinism (contra Sorabji). Causal determinism is the view that everything that happens or exists is caused by sufficient antecedent conditions, making it impossible for anything to happen or be other than it does or is. One variety of causal determinism, scientific determinism, identifies the relevant antecedent conditions as a combination of prior states of the universe and the laws of nature. Another, theological determinism, identifies those conditions as being the nature and will of God. It seems likely that theological determinism evolved out of the shift, both in Greek religion and in Ancient Mesopotamian religions, from polytheism to belief in one sovereign God, or at least one god who reigned over all others. The doctrine of scientific determinism can be traced back as far as the Presocratic Atomists (5th cent. BCE), but the difference between it and the earlier fatalistic view seems not to be clearly recognized until the development of Stoic philosophy (3rd. cent. BCE). Though fatalism, like causal determinism, might seem to threaten moral responsibility by threatening an agent's control, the two differ on the significance of human deliberation, choice, and action. If fatalism is true, then human deliberation, choice, and action are completely otiose, for what is fated will transpire no matter what one chooses to do. According to causal determinism, however, one's deliberations, choices, and actions will often be necessary links in the causal chain that brings something about. In other words, even though our deliberations, choices, and actions are themselves determined like everything else, it is still the case, according to causal determinism, that the occurrence or existence of yet other things depends upon our deliberating, choosing and acting in a certain way (Irwin 1999: 243–249; Meyer 1998: 225-227; and Pereboom 1997: ch. 2).

    Since the Stoics, the thesis of causal determinism and its ramifications, if true, have taken center stage in theorizing about moral responsibility. During the Medieval period, especially in the work of Augustine (354–430) and Aquinas (1225-1274), reflection on freedom and responsibility was often generated by questions concerning versions of theological determinism, including most prominently: a) Does God's sovereignty entail that God is responsible for evil?; and b) Does God's foreknowledge entail that we are not free and morally responsible since it would seem that we cannot do anything other than what God foreknows we will do? During the Modern period, there was renewed interest in scientific determinism—a change attributable to the development of increasingly sophisticated mechanistic models of the universe culminating in the success of Newtonian physics. The possibility of giving a comprehensive explanation of every aspect of the universe—including human action—in terms of physical causes now seemed much more plausible. Many thought that persons could not be free and morally responsible if such an explanation of human action were possible. Others argued that freedom and responsibility would not be threatened should scientific determinism be true. In keeping with this focus on the ramifications of causal determinism for moral responsibility, thinkers may be classified as being one of two types: 1) an incompatibilist about causal determinism and moral responsibility—one who maintains that if causal determinism is true, then there is nothing for which one can be morally responsible; or 2) a compatibilist—one who holds that a person can be morally responsible for some things, even if both who she is and what she does is causally determined.[8] In Ancient Greece, these positions were exemplified in the thought of Epicurus (341–270 BCE) and the Stoics, respectively.

    Above, an ambiguity in Aristotle's conception of moral responsibility was highlighted—that it was not clear whether he endorsed a merit-based vs. a consequentialist conception of moral responsibility. The history of reflection on moral responsibility demonstrates that how one interprets the concept of moral responsibility strongly influences one's overall account of moral responsibility. For example, those who accept the merit-based conception of moral responsibility have tended to be incompatibilists. That is, most have thought that if an agent were to genuinely merit praise or blame for something, then he would need to exercise a special form of control over that thing (e.g., the ability at the time of action to both perform or not perform the action) that is incompatible with one's being causally determined. In addition to Epicurus, we can cite early Augustine, Thomas Reid (1710–1796), and Immanuel Kant (1724–1804) as historical examples here. Those accepting the consequentialist conception of moral responsibility, on the other hand, have traditionally contended that determinism poses no threat to moral responsibility since praising and blaming could still be an effective means of influencing another's behavior, even in a deterministic world. Thomas Hobbes (1588–1679), David Hume (1711–1776), and John Stuart Mill (1806–1873) are, along with the Stoics, representatives of this view. This general trend of linking the consequentialist conception of moral responsibility with compatibilism about causal determinism and moral responsibility and the merit-based conception with incompatibilism continued to persist through the first half of the twentieth century.

    2. Recent Work on the Concept of Responsibility

    The issue of how best to understand the concept of moral responsibility is important, for it can strongly influence one's view of what, if any, philosophical problems might be associated with the notion, and further, if there are problems, what might count as a solution. As discussed above, philosophical reflection on moral responsibility has historically relied upon one of two broad interpretations of the concept: 1) the merit-based view, according to which praise or blame would be an appropriate reaction toward the candidate if and only if she merits—in the sense of ‘deserves’—such a reaction; or 2) the consequentialist view, according to which praise or blame would be appropriate if and only if a reaction of this sort would likely lead to a desired change in the agent and/or her behavior. Though versions of the consequentialist view have continued to garner support (Smart; Frankena 1963: ch. 4; Schlick 1966; Brandt 1992; Dennett 1984: ch. 7; and Kupperman 1991: ch. 3), work in the last 50 years on the concept of moral responsibility has increasingly focused on: a) offering alternative versions of the merit-based view; and b) questioning the assumption that there is a single unified concept of moral responsibility.

    Increased attention focusing on the stance of regarding and holding persons morally responsible has generated much of the recent work on the concept of moral responsibility. All theorists have recognized features of this practice—inner attitudes and emotions, their outward expression in censure or praise, and the imposition of corresponding sanctions or rewards. However, most understood the inner attitudes and emotions involved to rest on a more fundamental theoretical judgment about the agent's being responsible. In other words, it was typically assumed that blame and praise depended upon a judgment, or belief (pre-reflective in most cases), that the agent in question had satisfied the objective conditions on being responsible. These judgments were presumed to be independent of the inner attitudinal/emotive states involved in holding responsible in the sense that reaching such judgments and evaluating them required no essential reference to the attitudes and emotions of the one making the judgment. For the holder of the consequentialist view, this is a judgment that the agent exercised a form of control that could be influenced through outward expressions of praise and blame in order to curb or promote certain behaviors. For those holding the merit view, it is a judgment that the agent has exercised the requisite form of metaphysical control, e.g., that she could have done otherwise at the time of action (Watson 1987: 258).

    If holding responsible is best understood as resting on an independent judgment about being responsible, then it is legitimate to inquire whether such underlying judgments and their associated outward expressions can be justified, as a whole, in the face of our best current understanding of the world, e.g., in the face of evidence that our world is possibly deterministic. According to incompatibilists, a judgment that someone is morally responsible could never be true if the world were deterministic; thus praising and blaming in the merit-based sense would be beside the point. Compatibilists, on the other hand, contend that the truth of determinism would not undermine the relevant underlying judgments concerning the efficacy of praising and blaming practices, thereby leaving the rationale of such practices intact.

    2.1 Strawson and the Reactive Attitudes

    In his landmark essay, ‘Freedom and Resentment,’ P. F. Strawson (1962) sets out to adjudicate the dispute between those compatibilists who hold a consequentialist view of responsibility and those incompatibilists who hold the merit-based view.[9] Both are wrong, Strawson believes, because they distort the concept of moral responsibility by sharing the prevailing assumption sketched above — the assumption that holding persons responsible rests upon a theoretical judgment of their being responsible. According to Strawson, the attitudes expressed in holding persons morally responsible are varieties of a wide range of attitudes deriving from our participation in personal relationships, e.g., resentment, indignation, hurt feelings, anger, gratitude, reciprocal love, and forgiveness. The function of these attitudes is to express “…how much we actually mind, how much it matters to us, whether the actions of other people—and particularly some other people—reflect attitudes towards us of good will, affection, or esteem on the one hand or contempt, indifference, or malevolence on the other.” (p. 5, author's emphasis) These attitudes are thus participant reactive attitudes, because they are: a) natural attitudinal reactions to the perception of another's good will, ill will, or indifference (pp. 4–6), and b) expressed from the stance of one who is immersed in interpersonal relationships and who regards the candidate held responsible as a participant in such relationships as well (p. 10).[10]

    The reactive attitudes can be suspended or modified in at least two kinds of circumstances, corresponding to the two features just mentioned. In the first, one might conclude that, contrary to first appearances, the candidate did not violate the demand for a reasonable degree of good will. For example, a person's behavior may be excused when one determines that it was an accident, or one may determine that the behavior was justified, say, in the case of an emergency when some greater good is being pursued. In the second kind of circumstance, one may abandon the participant perspective in relation to the candidate. In these cases, one adopts the objective standpoint, one from which one ceases to regard the individual as capable of participating in genuine personal relations (either for some limited time or permanently). Instead, one regards the individual as psychologically/morally abnormal or undeveloped and thereby a candidate, not for the full range of reactive attitudes, but primarily for those objective attitudes associated with treatment or simply instrumental control. Such individuals lie, in some sense or to some varying extent, outside the boundaries of the moral community. For example, we may regard a very young child as initially exempt from the reactive attitudes (but increasingly less so in cases of normal development) or adopt the objective standpoint in relation to an individual we determine to be suffering from severe mental illness (P. F. Strawson 1962: 6–10; Bennett: 40; Watson 1987: 259–260; R. Jay Wallace: chs. 5-6).

    The central criticism Strawson directs at both consequentialist and traditional merit views is that both have over-intellectualized the issue of moral responsibility—a criticism with which many subsequent thinkers have wrestled.[11] The charge of over intellectualization stems from the traditional tendency to presume that the rationality of holding a person responsible depends upon a judgment that the person in question has satisfied some set of objective requirements on being responsible (conditions on efficacy or metaphysical freedom) and that these requirements themselves are justifiable. Strawson, by contrast, maintains that the reactive attitudes are a natural expression of an essential feature of our form of life, in particular, the interpersonal nature of our way of life. The practice, then, of holding responsible—embedded as it is in our way of life—“neither calls for nor permits, an external ‘rational’ justification” (p. 23). Though judgments about the appropriateness of particular responses may arise (i.e., answers to questions like: Was the candidate's behavior really an expression of ill will?; or Is the candidate involved a genuine participant in the moral sphere of human relations?), these judgments are based on principles internal to the practice. That is, their justification refers back to an account of the reactive attitudes and their role in personal relationships, not to some independent theoretical account of the conditions on being responsible.

    Given the above, Strawson contends that it is pointless to ask whether the practice of holding responsible can be rationally justified if determinism is true. This is either because it is not psychologically possible to divest ourselves of these reactions and so continually inhabit the objective standpoint, or even if that were possible, because it is not clear that rationality could ever demand that we give up the reactive attitudes, given the loss in quality of life should we do so. In sum, Strawson attempts to turn the traditional debate on its head, for now judgments about being responsible are understood in relation to the role reactive attitudes play in the practice of holding responsible, rather than the other way around. Whereas judgments are true or false and thereby can generate the need for justification, the desire for good will and those attitudes generated by it possess no truth value themselves, thereby eliminating any need for an external justification (Magill 1887: 21; Double 1996b: 848).

    Strawson's concept of moral responsibility yields a compatibilist account of being responsible but one that departs significantly from earlier such accounts in two respects. First, Strawson's is a compatibilist view by default only. That is, on Strawson's view, the problem of determinism and freedom/responsibility is not so much resolved by showing that the objective conditions on being responsible are consistent with one's being determined but rather dissolved by showing that the practice of holding people responsible relies on no such conditions and therefore needs no external justification in the face of determinism. Second, Strawson's is a merit-based form of compatibilism. That is, unlike most former consequentialist forms of compatibilism, it helps to explain why we feel that some agents deserve our censure or merit our praise. They do so because they have violated, met, or exceeded our demand for a reasonable degree of good will.

    2.2 Developments After Strawson

    Most agree that Strawson's discussion of the reactive attitudes is a valuable contribution to our understanding of the practice of holding responsible, but many have taken issue with his contentions about the insular nature of that practice, namely that a) since propriety judgments about the reactive attitudes are strictly internal to the practice (i.e., being responsible is defined in relation to the practice of holding responsible), their justification cannot be considered from a standpoint outside that practice; and b) since the reactive attitudes are natural responses deriving from our psychological constitution, they cannot be dislodged by theoretical considerations. Responding to the first of these, some have argued that it does seem possible to critique existing practices of holding responsible from standpoints outside them. For example, one might judge that either one's own existing community practice or some other community's practice of holding responsible ought to be modified (Fischer and Ravizza 1993: 18; Ekstrom: 148–149). If such evaluations are legitimate, then, contrary to what Strawson suggested, it seems that an existing practice can be questioned from a standpoint external to it. In other words, being responsible cannot be explicated strictly in terms of an existing practice of holding responsible. This then, would suggest a possible role to be played by independent theoretical conditions on being responsible, conditions which could prove to be compatibilist or incompatibilist in nature.

    Objecting to the second of Strawson's anti-theory contentions, some have argued that incompatibilist intuitions are embedded in the reactive attitudes themselves so that these attitudes cannot persist unless some justification can be given of them, or more weakly, that they cannot but be disturbed if something like determinism is true. Here, cases are often cited where negative reactive attitudes seem to be dispelled or mitigated upon learning that an agent's past includes severe deprivation and/or abuse. There is a strong pull to think that our reactive attitudes are altered in such cases because we perceive such a background to be deterministic. If this is the proper interpretation of the phenomenon, then it is evidence that theoretical considerations, like the truth of determinism, could in fact dislodge the reactive attitudes (Nagel: 125; Kane: 84–89; Galen Strawson 1986: 88; Honderich 1988: vol. 2, ch. 1; and replies by Watson 1987: 279–286 and 1996: 240; and McKenna 1998).

    Versions of Strawson's view continue to be very ably defended, and shortly, more will be said about the significant way in which his work continues to shape contemporary discussion of the concept of responsibility. However, many have taken objections of the above sort to be decisive in undermining the most radical of Strawson's anti-theory claims. Incompatibilists, in particular, seem largely unpersuaded and so have continued to assume a more or less traditional merit-based conception of moral responsibility as the basis for their theorizing. A number of compatibilists also remain unconvinced that Strawson has successfully shown independent theoretical considerations to be irrelevant to ascriptions of responsibility. It is noteworthy that some of these have accorded the reactive attitudes a central role in their discussions of the concept of responsibility. The result has been new merit-based versions of compatibilism (see e.g., Fischer & Ravizza 1998).

    It is likely that Strawson and others writing on moral responsibility have traditionally seen themselves as attempting to articulate an account of responsible agency that would map onto what was presumed to be a unitary and shared concept of moral responsibility. However, more recently a number of authors have suggested that at least some disagreements about the most plausible overall theory of responsibility might be based on a failure to distinguish between different aspects of the concept of responsibility, or perhaps several distinguishable but related concepts of responsibility.

    Broadly speaking, a distinction has been drawn between responsibility understood as attributability and responsibility as accountability.[12] The central idea in judging whether an agent is responsible in the sense of attributability, say for an action, is whether the action discloses something about the nature of the agent's self (Watson 1996: 228). Some hold additionally that a judgment of responsibility in this sense includes an assessment of the agent's self as measured against some standard (though not necessarily a moral standard)-i.e., that our interest is in what the action discloses about the agent's evaluative commitments (Watson 1996: 235; Bok: 123, nt. 1).[13] Perhaps the clearest example of a conception of responsibility emphasizing attributability is the so-called “ledger view” of moral responsibility. According to such views, the practice of ascribing responsibility involves assigning a credit or debit to a metaphorical ledger associated with each agent (Feinberg: 30–1; Glover: 64; Zimmerman: 38–9; and discussion of such views in Watson 1986: 261–2; and Fischer and Ravizza 1998: 8–10, nt. 12). To regard an agent as praiseworthy or blameworthy in the attributability sense of responsibility is simply to believe that the credit or fault identified properly belongs to the agent.

    To be responsible for an action in the sense of being accountable (or “appraisable” according to the terminology of some) presupposes responsibility in the sense of attributability. However, to judge that an agent is responsible in the further sense of being accountable entails that the behavior properly attributed to the agent is governed by an interpersonal normative standard of conduct that creates expectations between members of a shared community (whereas the standard invoked above may or may not be thought to generate interpersonal expectations). In this way, the concept of moral responsibility as accountability is an inherently social notion, and to hold someone responsible is to address a fellow member of the moral community (Stern; Watson 1987; McKenna). By emphasizing the way the reactive attitudes were tied to expectations of good will grounded in our interpersonal relationships, Strawson drew attention to this social aspect of responsibility. Recent attempts to further articulate how best to understand the relevant notion of holding responsible and its relation to being accountable reflect his on-going influence.

    An agent is praiseworthy or blameworthy, in the sense of accountable, if one is warranted, or justified, in holding her responsible. On one popular view, holding someone responsible is interpreted as regarding him or her as an apt candidate for the reactive attitudes and possibly other forms of reward or censure based on what the agent has done (Zimmerman; R. J. Wallace: 75-77; Watson 1996: 235; Fischer & Ravizza 1998: 6–7). On another view, holding someone responsible is fundamentally a matter of making a moral judgment accompanied by an expectation that the agent who performed the act acknowledge the force of the judgment or provide an exonerating explanation of why she performed the action. To hold someone responsible is thus to be one to whom an explanation is owed. On this view, the reactive attitudes and associated practices are grounded in this more fundamental expectation (Oshana: 76–7; Scanlon 1998: 268–271). Since the reactive attitudes and associated practices may have consequences for the well-being of an agent (especially in the case of those blaming attitudes and practices involved in holding someone accountable for wrong-doing), they are justified only if it is fair that the agent be subject to those consequences (R.J. Wallace: 103–117; Watson 1996: 238–9). The fairness of being subject to those consequences has often,in turn, be interpreted as the source of the idea that praise and blame are justified only if they are merited in the sense of deserved (Zimmerman: ch. 5; Wallace: 106–7; Watson 1996: 238–9; Magill 1997: 42–53). [14]

    The recognition and articulation of diversity within the concept (or amongst concepts) of moral responsibility has generated new reflection on the nature of and prospects for theories attempting to spell-out the conditions on being morally responsible. While some continue to believe that a plausible unified theory can be offered that captures the conceptual diversity sketched above, a number of others have concluded that at least some of the conditions for the applicability of our folk concept are in tension with one another (Nagel; G. Strawson 1986, 105-117, 307–317; Honderich 1988: vol. 2, ch. 1; Double 1996a: chs. 6–7; Bok: ch. 1; Smilansky: ch. 6); For example, some have argued that while a compatibilist sense of freedom is necessary for attributability, genuine accountability would require that agents be capable of exercising libertarian freedom. A rapidly expanding body of empirical data on folk intuitions about freedom and responsibility has added fuel to this debate (Nahmias et. al. 2005 and 2007; Vargas 2006; Nichols and Knobe; Nelkin; Roskies and Nichols; and Knobe and Doris).

    If there are irreconcilable tensions within the concept of responsibility, then the conditions of its application cannot be jointly satisfied. Of course, there have always been those—e.g., hard determinists — who have concluded that the conditions on being morally responsible cannot be met and thus that no one is ever morally responsible. However, a noteworthy new trend amongst both contemporary hard determinists and others who conclude that the conditions for the applicability of our folk concept cannot be jointly satisfied has been the move to offer a revisionist conception of moral responsibility and its associated practices rather than to reject talk about being responsible outright (For this general trend, see Vargas 2004 and 2005). Revisionism about moral responsibility is a matter of degree. Some revisionists seek to salvage much if not most of what they take to be linked to the folk concept (Dennett 1984: 19; Honderich 1988: vol. 2, ch. 1; Scanlon 1998: 274–277; and Vargas 2004 and in Fischer et. al. 2007), while others offer more radical reconstructions of the concept and associated practices (Smart; Pereboom: 199–212; Smilansky: chps. 7–8; Kelly).[15]

    The future direction of reflection on moral responsibility is uncertain. On the one hand, there has been a resurgence of interest in metaphysical treatments of freedom and moral responsibility in recent years, a sign that many philosophers in this area have not been persuaded by Strawson's central critique of such treatments. On the other hand, discussion of the place and role of the reactive attitudes in human life continues to be a central theme in accounts of the concept of responsibility. What is clear is that the long-standing interest in understanding the concept of moral responsibility and its application shows no sign of abating.

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    Come on! This isn't that hard to read! I think that to really get this philosophical thing right, we need to be scholars. I'm trying, but the spiritual and emotional pressure I experience is often overwhelming. I really and truly am pretending, at this point, that I am working on a PhD in Solar System Studies and Governance. I know this sounds ridiculous, and in many ways it is, but I think we need to have this sort of a goal clearly in mind. I should really put together some sort of a curriculum, but until I do, consider all of my threads to be your homework. I will be interested to read the first doctoral dissertation based upon the works of orthodoxymoron. This might be somewhat self-aggrandizing, but I really do think that there should be this type of a doctoral study. Once again, I just might create my own doctoral program, and be the first teacher and first student - simultaneously!!


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    It might be cool to be an Indiana Jones kind of professor, but I sort of like to just research and reflect. I think that a room filled with bright college students would be too much for me! They'd probably eat me alive! It might be easier to face a room filled with Illuminati, Jesuits, Nazis, Masons, Magicians, Greys, and Dracs! Anyway, I do like the idea of a PhD program in Solar System Studies and Governance as a prerequisite to being a United States of the Solar System Representative. On the other hand, have all of the universities of the world saved us from the absurd situation we find ourselves in presently? There is such a phenomenon as 'Educated Idiots'. So how in the hell do we achieve an Enlightened Democracy? Are human beings too stupid and unstable to rule themselves? I used to think that was a stupid question, but I really wonder if we are capable of such a feat. Do we simply need a less corrupt secret government? Do we really need to be ruled from the shadows? I know what I idealistically want, but what is the reality? A celebration of a newly formed United States of the Solar System might be very short indeed. Again, I wonder if society is past the point of no return on the road to hell? Will there be a core meltdown, no matter what we do? I don't have a problem with 'crowd control' or with the human race being managed, educated, and disciplined in a kind, fair, and orderly manner. What I object to is irresponsible management and cruel exploitation. There are huge problems with the present campaign and election/selection process. The PhD thing would help, but perhaps voters should have to get a two-year degree in voting. To do ANYTHING, one should have to prove that they know what they're doing. Some have even suggested a lottery to 'elect' our leaders! How 'bout a dartboard, like the Wall Street Journal used to 'select' stocks?!


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    Carol wrote:REQUIEM FOR A SQUIRREL ~ Sunday, November 3, 2024 ~ C&C NEWS

    Bonus post! Why is a squirrel story so important? It's important for surprising and unexpected reasons. Today's post offers the known facts and the astonishing implications. -JEFF CHILDERS

    Good morning, loyal C&C supporters and the rest of the C&C Army. It’s Sunday! Only two days remain until Election Day. I decided to open today’s pre-election bonus post to everyone after my beautiful but bemused wife asked, “what’s the big deal about the squirrel? I don’t get it.” It IS a big deal, and it’s important, so let’s get to it. A special tree-rat edition.

    WORLD NEWS AND COMMENTARY

    >> Social media is burning in an out-of-control conflagration.
    USA Today ran the widely discussed and well-reported story yesterday under the headline, “Social media star Peanut the Squirrel has been euthanized after being seized from NY home.” Right away, we see why people hate corporate media so much. It wasn’t this fussy about using the words “kill” and “killed” in headlines to describe Governor DeSantis’s pandemic re-opening plan. Don’t say euthanized. Just say they killed him.


    CLIP: Mark and Peanut enjoying happier days, before the tree rodent’s untimely death (0:54).

    Before I begin, I must provide full disclosure. When I was 12, I had to get a painful and quite unforgettable rabies shot after a squirrel bit me in a park. Also, our family cats have, over the years, also euthanized several unlucky wild squirrels. Not often, but still. So, I harbor no bias, neither pro- nor anti-squirrel. Thus my report can be considered cold, pitiless, and unswayed by any improper squirrel sympathies.

    By profession, Mark Longo is an engineer. In his spare time, he runs an animal rescue farm in rural New York, where he and his wife Christy live with over 300 different animals rejected by the world. His animal activism began seven years ago after Mark witnessed a car run over a squirrel —Peanut’s mother. He found little baby Peanut nearby, his tail mangled so badly that he could not live on his own.

    For eight months, Mark tried to rehabilitate Peanut to the wild, and tried to rehome him to an animal shelter, but due to his injuries and having been domesticated, Peanut could not and did not want to leave.

    Over the last seven years, Mark, Christy, and Peanut have become fast friends. Peanut lived happily with Mark and Christy. The little guy ate waffles, wore tiny cowboy hats, performed for TikTok on miniature obstacle courses, ‘helped’ with the cooking and the baking, and greeted Mark every single day when the engineer got home from work.

    For seven years, Mark, Christy, Peanut, Chloe the cat, and all the other animals have lived as one happy New York family, bothering no one, living life, making short internet videos, and generally minding their own business. Which made some Democrats very angry.

    Peanut became so beloved on social media that he helped Mark’s TikTok channel explode. At the time of his death, Peanut enjoyed performing for half a million followers. Mark used the income generated from his TikTok pet content to help support his growing animal rescue operation.

    But the busybody hawks of doom were silently circling over the unwitting mammal and the Longos. Hawks in the form of liberal squirrel fanatics, who were offended that the Longos were flouting the laws of New York by keeping a pet squirrel, even if that pet squirrel couldn’t live in the wild anyways. After all, the law is the law.

    In New York, citizens may not keep wild animals of any kind unless they obtain a special permit and pay license fees to the state.

    Peanut is also dead, of course, because of Karen:

    While the Longos and their furry friends blithely made TikTok videos without knowing anything was amiss, a relentless barrage of complaints by out-of-state snitches landed on the State of New York. Four State “environmental protection” and “animal protection” departments sprang into coordinated action to address the developing public health crisis. They took their paperwork to a Democrat judge and got a legal break-and-search warrant for Mark and Christy’s home.

    You couldn’t have scraped together a nanometer of common sense between any of the dozens of state officials and bureaucrats who must have been involved in this tragic miscarriage of justice and singular example of government overreach.

    Four days ago, an environmental SWAT team of heavily armed officers descended on the Longo’s home, taking the small farm’s human and animal residents completely by surprise. A crack team of highly motivated climate agents forced Mark and Christy outside at gunpoint, fingers ready at the triggers, just waiting for one of the innocent homeowners to try something stupid or even complain.

    For five hours, state agents turned the Longo’s home inside out. What they were searching for is anyone’s guess. They didn’t say. According to Longo, the climate cops even took his toilet apart. The Longos were told that, to use the bathroom, they would have to do their business while monitored by law enforcement during the, er, procedure. Christy held it.

    Later, and hilariously ironically, agents sneeringly interrogated Christy over her legal immigration status. When they finally departed, the state’s literally brown-shirted, jack-booted “environmental police” hauled away two illegally housed rescue animals: Peanut the Squirrel and Fred the Raccoon.

    Mark and Christy immediately took to social media to get help. They quickly organized a petition drive (28,000 names) and a GoFundMe for legal expenses, to help get Peanut and Fred out of climate jail. The Longos pointed out that they had a legal license to operate the animal shelter and they were near the end of a years-long process of getting a special state permit for Peanut as an educational animal.

    But two days later, before Operation Save Peanut could even get its wheels attached, New York State officiously announced that, because completely domesticated Peanut allegedly bit an unnamed and unidentified state official trained in wildlife management, both animals were immediately put down, killed, executed, so that their brains could be harvested for rabies testing. (In other words, Peanut and Fred were dirty, unvaccinated animals. And you know what happens to the unvaccinated.)

    The news set social media ablaze. The conflagration is still burning. Elon Musk has repeatedly posted about Peanut’s murder, more than he’s done for any other single news story in recent cycles. Conservative media is up in arms. Social media influencers of all stripes are weighing in against this official squirrel-cide.

    New York is basically a one-party, Democrat state. While there are some conservative counties in rural parts of the state, Albany’s state officials are all liberal Democrats. Especially its climate police.

    Why is this story going viral? What is it about this particular news development that’s engaged the public’s rapt attention? In what way is the legal confiscation of illegal wildlife worse than vaccine mandates, quarantine camps, courts ordering kids to receive trans hormones, and many other important issues you could mention?

    The answer is surprising. I can think of at least three reasons why this story is so explosive.

    > First, the story of Peanut’s execution at the hands of wildlife officials is a story of the inhumanity and inherent irrationality of liberal government. The Longos loved their pet squirrel. They were trying to navigate the bureaucracy to get the required permit and pay the state for the privilege. Peanut was also a significant financial resource to the family and the other rescued animals.

    It might have been legal, but the officials, bureaucrats, and at least one sitting judge all ignored the elements of compassion, prosecutorial discretion, and the use of least necessary force. They could have simply fined the Longos. They could have helped accelerate approval of Peanut’s educational permit.

    But no. They did none of those things. Why not? Because they didn’t have to.

    The Peanut saga exposes the complete absence of compassion from Democrat governance. They’re like anti-human robots. They simply don’t care about how the Longos were treated, how much they loved their little Peanut, or the financial damages, since it was a lawful use of force. In fact, Democrats are truly sort of confused. They are unsure of what, precisely, conservatives are so upset about this time.

    Lately, the Democrats have, confetti-like, been enthusiastically throwing around comparisons to the mustachioed dictator of the 1930s. But who, pray tell, are the Nazis now?

    And what about compassion for poor, disabled Peanut? The New York Department of Environmental Protection’s press release claimed that Peanut was seized in part because domesticated squirrels can become unable to live independently in the wild. In other words, I am not making this up, they claimed it was for Peanut’s own good. Plus rabies. Maybe. You can never be too careful.

    > Second, unlike the messy vaccine mandate controversy, Peanut’s sad story is a straightforward cautionary tale about government overreach and a metaphor for the inherent dangers of big government. Practically nobody except partisan Democrats think the government should be SWATting citizens’ houses to confiscate and execute domesticated squirrels when there are bigger problems that need attention. So at least 65% of us can agree on that.

    A lot of us would agree the government should never SWAT a citizen’s home to confiscate and execute a domesticated squirrel before all other options that don’t require the use of force have been exhausted.
    Peanut and Fred’s confiscation and execution exposed the New York Government’s instinctive use of maximum force against citizens who violate technical paperwork requirements. Had the Longos completed obtaining a permit for Peanut, the State would have been fine with it; so it was never about any legitimate threat to public health.

    This story was directly relatable to regular folks in an unforeseeable way. While most people can’t relate emotionally to excessive force complaints when it’s applied to drug dealers, they can relate to excessive force applied just because somebody adopted an injured squirrel and didn’t complete their paperwork.

    Any of us, any of our children, could have innocently done the same thing. It takes a hardhearted person to leave an injured baby squirrel to die. I don’t even like squirrels, but I still wouldn’t do that. Regardless of their rodent status, saving baby squirrels is by definition compassionate.

    What nobody expects when they rescue a baby squirrel is for a remorseless, Spanish Inquisition-style machine to kick into gear, resulting in armed agents tearing our homes apart looking for evidence of even more crimes just because our six-year-old adopted an injured hedgehog.


    > Third, Peanut has become a squirrel-sized symbol of liberal government’s insanely misplaced priorities and a dire warning of what a Harris Administration would look like. New York has a lot of problems. New York has a lot of crime problems. New York has a lot of rat problems. What on Earth is the State doing, sending more than a dozen climate cops to forcefully confiscate an injured squirrel? Is that “crime” really the state’s highest priority?

    New York’s Democrats’ priorities are dangerously misplaced. Peanut and Fred aside, Mark and Christy could have been badly injured or even killed had things gone sideways.

    So, Peanut’s murder represents a metaphor for what the Harris Administration would be like: more maximum force. We’ve already seen maximum force in operation, in the January 6th cases. Rank and file democrats are cheering on the maximum-force policy, since they are brainless nitwits without imaginations, incapable of recognizing they too will be in the state’s overbearing crosshairs once the smoke clears from phase one.

    >> Finally, let’s now consider the political impacts, starting with a coverage survey. Peanut was news on most local media platforms, but was conspicuously absent from the New York Times, Washington Post, and Wall Street Journal. Which means the deep state knows it’s politically dangerous to the Democrats. But the squirrel story was media catnip everywhere else:

    Politically speaking, first of all, Peanut provides a direct and immediate metaphor about illegal immigration. For example, Donald Trump, Jr.:

    What seems absolutely clear is that Democrats are rightly receiving the blame for this excessive use of force. Here’s a random example to give you the idea:

    Lest there be any doubt that Democrats in New York are out of control, note that this is the same political party that literally tried to open covid quarantine camps during the pandemic, until my good friend and fellow small-firm lawyer Bobbi Ann Cox sued to shut it down.

    What should we do with all these overreaching, use-of-force-friendly bureaucrats? Unfortunately, it’s not legal to tar and feather them anymore or run them out of town on a rail, like our forefathers would have done. So instead, let’s put their force-loving skills to work. I suggest they be assigned for all of 2025 to New York City’s rat detail. Let them catch rats. Let the judge hear only rat cases. Put Karen on the front lines in the rat war. For the whole year.

    It would be just and appropriate, if you think about it. Rats are part of the environment, check. Rats are creating a bad climate in New York, check. And rats need as much excessive force as possible, check!

    More importantly, we must elect President Trump, and start rolling back  over-criminalization and over-regulation. Even for squirrels. (And raccoons! I haven’t forgotten Fred!)

    Let’s keep government’s skeletal fingers off our wildlife, our pets… and our lives. Justice for Peanut!

    Have a very blessed Sunday! Vote, and keep nagging everybody to go vote as well. Then hide your pet squirrels, and get back here tomorrow as we kick off one of the most momentous weeks in our lifetimes.
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    If all of the kings had their queens on the throne
    We would pop champagne and raise a toast
    To all of the queens who are fighting alone
    Baby, you're not dancin' on your own

    Can't live without me, you wanna, but you can't, no, no, no
    Think it's funny, but honey, can't run this show on your own
    I can feel my body shake, there's only so much I can take
    I'll show you how a real queen behaves, oh

    No damsel in distress, don't need to save me
    Once I start breathin' fire, you can't tame me
    And you might think I'm weak without a sword
    But if I had one, it'd be bigger than yours

    If all of the kings had their queens on the throne
    We would pop champagne and raise a toast
    To all of the queens who are fighting alone
    Baby, you're not dancin' on your own

    Disobey me, then baby, it's off with your head
    Gonna change it and make it a world you won't forget, oh-oh, oh
    No damsel in distress, don't need to save me
    Once I start breathin' fire, you can't tame me
    And you might think I'm weak without a sword
    But I'm stronger than I ever was before

    If all of the kings had their queens on the throne
    We would pop champagne and raise a toast
    To all of the queens who are fighting alone
    Baby, you're not dancin' on your own

    In chess, the king can move one space at a time
    But queens are free to go wherever they like
    You get too close, you'll get a royalty high
    So breathe it in to feel alive (alive)

    If all of the kings had their queens on the throne
    We would pop champagne and raise a toast
    To all of the queens who are fighting alone
    Baby, you're not dancin' on your own
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    When this present experiment has ended, I might become quite narrow, straight-laced, and tight-lipped. I'm sort of crazy now (even though most of it is an act without a script) but what if I'll ultimately be no fun at all?? That might go with the territory as part of the deal. Who Knows?? Doctor Who?? I wish to make it clear that my threads are highly experimental (without hocus pocus or mumbo jumbo). I consider possibilities and probabilities as I wonder as I wander. Consider the possible relationship between purgatory, reincarnation, and artificial intelligence. That might be a bit of a stretch but what if at least some aspects of this hypothetical amalgamation yield significant principles and concepts?? What if we have been subjected to deception and compartmentalization for thousands (or even millions) of years?? What is the possible relationship between Star Wars and the Great Controversy?? Some of you might know what I'm talking about. But what if we need the ancient to modern cover-stories?? What if the real truth is destructive to civilization?? What if the Gods and Goddesses of Eden have set things up for legitimate and/or illegitimate reasons?? What if we are reduced to simply doing as we are told because they said so?? What if they won the war and we work for them (again for legitimate and/or illegitimate reasons)?? What if that's just the way things are?? Consider the Ivy-League atheist theologians who are really smart and research deeply. It seems that a lot of them know more about the Bible and Religion than 99.99% of the rest of us (believers and/or unbelievers). This is sort of scary (to me anyway). I couldn't even begin to debate these people in public places. I try to learn from some of them but I try to not get sucked into their section of the Matrix (so to speak). Most of us don't have the brains or time to keep up with them. As most of you know, I'm not trying to spearhead a movement or convert anyone to anything. I consider my threads 'Religious and Political Science-Fiction' even though I try to get things as right as possible. I don't just make things up or practice to deceive. I want the Truth but perhaps very few of us can handle the Truth. I've recently been thinking in terms of an alternative Howard Hughes kind of guy who might've had the resources to go underground (figuratively and literally) to really figure things out and set things up in what they might've considered to be the 'salvation of humanity' (or something to that effect). What Would S.R. Hadden and William Edgars Say and Do?? Some of you might know who and what I'm talking about. Anyway, don't get fixated on the sexy and scary images and videos. Move on and stay out of the quicksand. It's a jungle out there in a 'Most Dangerous Game'. What Would Rainsford Say and Do?? Sorry, I'm rambling as I feel worse and think less. It's getting really bad, with seemingly no help on the way. We All Have Our Crosses to Bear. What if humanity has been fighting with the Matrix for thousands (or even millions) of years as rivals have been enabled and disabled?? What is the relationship between Afghanistan/Iraq, Russia/Ukraine, and Israel/Palestine (for starters) relative to the hypothetical Matrix?? What about the City-States of Rome, London, and Washington?? What is the relationship between the Matrix and the Investigative-Judgment (Adventist and Otherwise)?? What is the relationship between the Local-Warden and Emissary-Warden?? What is the relationship between Marduk and Amen?? What is the relationship between RA and DV?? What is the relationship between Trauma and Narcissism?? What is the relationship between Jesus and Paul?? What is the relationship between Satan and Lucifer?? What is the relationship between Gabriel and Michael?? What is the role of Artificial-Intelligence in Life, the Universe, and Everything (from antiquity to modernity)?? What is the relationship between Judaism, Catholicism, and Protestantism?? I have some general impressions of complex possibilities while I seem increasingly miserable and hamstrung. Did the Devil, Matrix, and Twinkies make me do it?? What if I should just shut-up?? This is weird, and I can't even talk openly about it. What Would John Denver say?? What Would Ava Max Say?? My perceived neuro-toxin thing is getting MUCH worse. What if I'm finally getting 'done in'?? What if I'm really NOT supposed to be here?? What if I'm way too deep in the Matrix?? What if the nether-realms are swarming against me?? What if I'm the last-best hope for humanity (as delusional as THAT sounds)?? What Would a 'Book of Daniel' Star Say?? What Would Kings and Queens Say?? That's all I'm going to say. What if that's all I CAN say?? I feel as if I've been in a 'holding-pattern' in the hangar for most of my adult life. I've never 'taken off'. I feel as if I'm mostly 'hunkering down' presently. I'm serious regarding going and remaining 'incognito'. I wish I could do otherwise but things are going so poorly that I should probably just 'keep my head down' as I fiddle with my 'smart phone' and 'you-know-what' as Rome burns. Cheers and/or Whatever.








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    I'm a bit of a latecomer to pop music. I've attempted to appreciate and perform a lot of sacred classical music but as I became more miserable and hamstrung, I couldn't rise to the occasion. I always listened to varieties of rock, but I felt guilty, given my religious background. Bob Larson came to my high-school and warned us that rock was the Devil's Diversion. Some of the students argued with him, as the administration became alarmed. I believe I've briefly spoken with Britney, Her Mom, Jamie Lynn, and Sam on three or four occasions, separately and together. I was polite yet non-responsive. I didn't know what the hell was going on. It could've been a gag with disguises (and that sort of thing seems increasingly prevalent) but still, who would've had enough clout to make them do that?? RA?? But what if RA was just an actor or agent?? How would anyone know (especially me)?? I've repeatedly requested some sort of official meeting in a boardroom to inform me of who I am and what's happening, in an open and honest manner, but so far, NOTHING. Despite my hamstrung misery, I can still respond responsibly when dealing with reasonable and responsible people (or other-than-people). Britney is a Supreme Icon who is highly talented and conflicted, with a sincere genuineness. I'm still trying to grasp how I should respond to such a legend. What Would the Hypothetical Council of Seventeen Say and Do?? Separately, I got carried away with the AI images in the previous post!! Siriusly and Honestly, I was thinking in terms of that Dr. Who Trial of a Time-Lord from the mid 1980's but with the images in the previous post utilized in the courtroom context incorporating a lot of stuff in my threads!! This would include the three major characters!! We Three Queens!! I'd rather not elaborate. I've spoken with princess and/or queen sorts of individuals over the years (including some famous ones). I keep wondering if I recently spoke with Prince Harry and Meghan Markle?! It might've been!! I wasn't wearing my glasses and I don't stare. I try to act as normal as possible (but that might become increasingly difficult). This is uncharted territory. My stroke difficulties often make it problematic for me to converse and make prolonged eye-contact. We all have our crosses to bear but I get weary of the hatred I keep encountering. I probably need to live and work alone in a Mercedes Sprinter as I attempt to write a best-selling novel and/or script!! I have some ideas I need to develop but I'd probably require some insider assistance. Who Knows?? I might require AI to write that novel and/or script based upon my more recent threads. I don't mean to be narcissistic, pompous, and supercilious but what I model goes with the territory!! I am NOT like this in Real-Life!! Just the Opposite!! I just wish someone had explained to me who I really am (on a soul-basis) and what the hell is going on with me (physically, mentally, and spiritually). It's too late to do anything beneficially significant now (especially in a high-profile sense, since I made a completely ignorant fool out of myself for most of my life). But what if this is some sort of a galactic coup?! Sounds sort of cool, doesn't it?! I'm OK doing what I'm doing (Reading, Writing, and Walking) but I'd prefer slightly better circumstances. I Hate My Life but I Love My Coffee!! I recently encountered someone who I briefly spoke with, and after the fact, I thought I might've known who they were (as an actress or the real-deal). She said something to me, and said it in a certain manner. My response was weak and lame. The encounter made me think of parallel individuals, videos, etc. It's difficult to describe (and I'd rather not) but it is unmistakable. I'm not going to provide clues (even though I thought I might). This individual knows I know if they follow this thread, so that might be enough for now. I just think we all might be more screwed than most of us can imagine. We might be facing a no-win situation for the rest of this century. I'll try to type a bit faster but I might not perform up to expectations. I have a way of falling flat on my face. Perhaps that was someone's plan. It might've even been my own plan (prior to being born into this pathetic life). I'm modeling some possibilities but all of them frighten me. I don't know who I am or what is going on (locally or far, far away). I keep repeating a lot of my posts (just because). My threads might be for me alone. They might not do anyone any good. They were an experiment. I have no expectations or agendas (at this point). I have no side deals or cunningly devised fables. I'm honest but I represent my material as religious and political science-fiction. I can't keep up with the biblical scholars (believers or unbelievers). I can't keep up with anyone, really. It's really pathetic and embarrassing. I feel as if it would've been better if that rattlesnake had bit me in the neck when I was a small child. Death would've come quickly and saved everyone a world of trouble. I'm rambling. I might provide some obscure clues but mostly I'm winding down this failed operation. I still feel as if some sort of a coup has occurred (or is occurring). I'm pretty devastated and disillusioned regarding life, the universe, and everything. I sometimes feel as if I might be some sort of a scapegoat or changeling. Something is VERY Wrong and I don't like it one little bit. Think long and hard about 1971 Movies, Books, News, Lectures, and Everything. What Would Steven Spielberg Say?? What Would George Lucas Say?? That's all I'm going to type for now. I should probably shut-up, cease, and desist. It might be easier that way. Everything I think, say, type, or do might be used against me in the most nefarious and sinister ways. I'm screwed and I might get really screwed when the brutal gang of facts and dracs have their way with me. We All Have Our Crosses to Bear. One Last Thing. Did I recently encounter at least a couple of actors, three actresses, and a billionaire?? Who Knows?? I don't want to talk about it...I'm not sure what the point of any of my threads are. A few will be extremely angry, some won't understand, and the rest couldn't care less. So, my threads are probably mostly useless. This should bring joy to the few who know the whole story and hate me with a passion. There might be a few who appreciate my tripe but I suspect even these folk will become bored and/or offended. I'm still thinking the overall situation is ancient AI systemic (especially on a macro level). I seemed to have an understanding with 'RA' but we seemed to have very strained contact (in 2010: The Year We Made Contact). Consider the following EGW compilation regarding the Beginning and Ending (in post #97 below). I'm not promoting this but some of you might wish to read it quickly and repeatedly. Compare it with 1 Corinthians 15:24-28. This might be a tougher study than you can imagine. Then, consider reading the Psalms, Proverbs, and Epistles straight-through, over and over in a variety of translations. Will ANYONE Do This?? Would it do any good if they did?? What if we are dealing with a 'No Win' situation?? What if 'We Can't Win'?? I should cease, desist, and write some dumb story to pay my bills. My threads are reformative rather than normative. They are catalysts rather than conclusions. The KJV seems to have too many books to be concisely normative. EGW seems to have too many books to be concisely normative. OXY seems to have too many threads to be concisely normative. The Library of Congress seems to have too many books to choose one normative book (especially if one actually read all of them). The internet has too many websites for one to be normative. Perhaps The Mists of Avalon is the One True Website!! In high-school, I spoke with a Czechoslovakian theologian, who told me SDA's were losing their religion because they were not teaching their young people to memorize. Morgan Freeman told Mike Wallace on 60 Minutes, that to End Prejudice, We Should Just Stop Talking About It. What if the Epistles were the One True Faith?? What if One Memorized Them?? But How Would One Know They Were Normative and Concisely Comprehensive TRUTH?? What if the Truth is Every Word That Proceeds Out of the Mouth of Donald Trump?? The Truth is SO Overrated. What Would Vala Mal Doran Say??





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    I wish to make it exceedingly clear that I am NOT Driving the Bus. My perception is that I'm Under the Wheels of the Bus. My perception is that we are dealing with a lot of deception and compartmentalization. This might NOT be King and/or Queen of the Hill. We might simply exist in some sort of a rotational 'trading places' modus operandi in Purgatory Incorporated (for want of a better term) wherein 'the first shall be last and the last shall be first' for all eternity. I'm simply considering possibilities as I wonder as I wander. People have been acting strangely lately. I'm SO wary and weary of this BS. I'm thinking I should STOP. I'm essentially 'done' or perhaps 'done for' period. My hamstrung misery is no joke. I think it's much more organic than psychological. I believe it's malevolent and sinister. I encountered some unusual interactions today, and I sort of figured it out. I don't blurt things out and loudly speculate but I could really make the $hlt hit the fan (for the half-dozen spooks who view my tripe). I haven't attempted to cry "FIRE!!" in a crowded internet forum (and I never will). I guess I'm thinking in terms of internal fan-fiction for me alone. I wish I were younger, happier, and smarter but perhaps my demise was a foregone conclusion (written in the stars). Set-Up by the Bad-Guys, Good-Guys, or ME?!! Anyway, write me off regarding this incarnation. God Got Me?? Who Knows?? What if None of Us Can Win Long-Term?? What if This Plane(t) is Going Down Regardless of Who the Pilot Is?? I Need to Stop. Remember to NOT Expect Anything Much From Me. I'll Agonize Over This and That to Build Character but I'd be a HUGE Disaster in a Real-Life Teleprompter Puppet-Show!! I'll learn what I can from the luminaries (mostly in imaginary interactions). I realize this sounds delusional but there is a reasonable and rational method to my madness. Just don't be offended or take things personally. I'm a Wounded Warrior with Impossible Dreams (or something corny like that). Cheers!! OK, this is frightening to me. I've effectively ended this thread. What if I should research my own threads exhaustively for the rest of this incarnation?? What if I should walk away from my threads absolutely and unconditionally?? What if I should think in terms of Absolute Pluralism without specific regard to race, religion, male, female, AI/Robot, geographic-location, socioeconomic criteria, etc?? What if I should simply sample Limitless and Timeless Multidisciplinary-Pluralism?? Jack of All Trades, Master of None?? Researchers without Borders?? What if one only taught university classes in The New York Times (freshman through graduate)?? Pluralism for the Rest of Us?? What if Artificial-Intelligence inevitably and unavoidably involves Demonic-Possession?? What if the 21 Epistles were a Research-Baseline (without becoming a religion)?? I'm feeling much worse and thinking much less. I perceive this is malicious and deliberate in an almost genocidal manner. Perhaps this paragraph is too strong and offensive but what if it is largely true?? I feel absolutely lost, hopeless, and defenseless. I'd fight the enemy but what if the enemy is me?? What if I should write just to write (without regard to marketability)?? The Writers and Actors Strike might be a wake-up call for all concerned and unconcerned. I'm too old, sick, and stupid to do much good (or harm) at this late date. There has been no interest in my seemingly aimless quest but I still wonder why I've encountered so many celebrities and individuals of interest?? Perhaps I'm an ancient somebody with amnesia who is now a nobody nobody wants or respects. Perhaps I'm just a laughing-stock. My hamstrung-misery seems imminently-terminal. I know I don't know but I've posted more clues than anyone can imagine and I suspect there's at least a couple of agents in a cubicle checking out everything I've included or claimed in my threads. I have no idea what's up but it might be significant. I feel much worse as I think much less so I should probably be left alone in my hypothetical secret underground base while I twist slowly, slowly in the spray as the excrement contacts the blower. I recently encountered someone from Boston who seemed to be an actor and/or professor but I don't know who it was. I don't go to shows or lectures much so I don't know who's who or what's what. I suspect there is a god and/or GOD but we might not like who and/or what we eventually discover. The Universe Might be Stranger Than We Can Think. The Hallelujah Chorus and Sistine Chapel might have nothing to do with the Real-Deal. Who Knows?? Dr. Who?? Who?? The Shadow?? The Shadow Government?? The Secret Government?? The Galactic Federation?? The Andromeda Council?? The Council of Nine?? I've been leaning toward the concept that God is an Absentee-Landlord granting Humanity freedom (perhaps for a trial-period). In the hypothetical absence of an In-House God, perhaps Humanity has been Playing God for thousands of years. Or perhaps God created an Artificial-Intelligence Proxy-God to keep Humanity from exterminating itself while it tests its wings (so to speak). Religion (as we know it) seems to be a Mixed-Bag of Good and Evil. Perhaps the Elites Believe in the Existence of God while NOT Believing in God as THEY Play God. Perhaps God Does NOT Believe in Them!! Consider watching or re-watching the 1977 movie, Oh God! with George Burns and John Denver. There are more orthodoxymoron parallels than you can imagine. Hope Springs Eternal. What if All of Us were (and are) "In On It" from the War in Heaven to the End of the Millennium?? RA told me, "Everyone is Bad" and "People Deserve to Die" and "Humanity is Screwed". Honest. I've been thinking in terms of War in Heaven Theodicy and End of Millennium Eschatology with an emphasis on 'Why the Sanctuary is Central' (or something to that effect). What Would Gane Say?? Facing and Dealing-With Reality Might be Tougher Than We Can Imagine. I'm Ending the Thread. I have a few more posts to post (which I'll finish posting today). I'm not going away mad. I'm just going away. Artificial Intelligence and Robotics scare the hell out of me. The End Might be Near in Ways We Can't Imagine. I'm fixated on the possibility of the End of the Millennium near the End of This Century as the End of Humanity and the World (as we know them to be). I've included the Writings of Ellen White in the Religious and Political Science-Fiction on this very website. The members are probably NOT amused. It was an experiment on my part. Here is another aspect of that experiment. Consider the Robot, Sophia, speaking the Words of E.G. White. What if EG is ET?? Or, What if the Writings of Ellen Gould (Goa'uld) White are fundamentally Artificial Intelligence (utilizing plagiarism and extrapolation for starters)?! What Would Vala Mal Doran Say?? What Would Samantha Carter Say?? I think I've spoken to her a couple of times (without introduction) but I wasn't sure (and I was frankly embarrassed). On and off screen, she is amazingly perceptive (detecting fakes and frauds). I've tried to model a phenomenon in my threads, but I am NOT like that in real life!! I feel and think worse than most anyone can imagine. I really think I need to sit-down, shut-up, and go away (possibly for all eternity). I wish I were kidding. I feel horrible and my thinking is NOT good. It's not just stroke-residue. My perception is Poisons and Toxins combined with AI and Entities (for starters). I'm explaining more than complaining. I simply can't do much of anything worthwhile. Plus, I have no writers, directors, coaches, attorneys, tech-wizards, et al. I've intended to flounder without guidance to build character or some damn thing. I try to be good but the system seems highly rigged. I suspect the deception and manipulation were highly developed over thousands (or even millions) of years. I mostly wish to say and do as little as possible, so as not to piss everyone off. The matrix might work in mysterious ways (for good and/or bad, I know not). I don't wish to make my threads personal. I simply encountered several individuals of interest which seemed to fit in with my strange quest. Some of the scripts seemed like a set up, but the whole thing might be total bullshit. I'd just as soon exist as if I never existed. Perhaps I really belong in the Black Knight Satellite. Who Knows?? I wonder as I wander and I'm completely lost. Perhaps the adventure is over and I should just pretend that nothing happened. Little to Nothing Actually Happened. I'm not preparing for deception, manipulation, and battle. I'm not preparing for much of anything except physical, mental, and spiritual wholeness. To Make Man Whole. Where Did I Hear That Before?? I recently imagined encountering a royally-beautiful young-woman and her mother but I only spoke with her mother by attempting to impress her daughter while thinking only elevated thoughts, of course. I'm half-joking and half-serious. Consider the 21 New Testament Epistles. They are quite complex and even contradictory as a whole. Consider the Alleged Pauline Misogyny. Consider the educational level of a First Century AD World. Very few could even begin to deal with these 21 Epistles yet they were supposed to be instrumental in Saving Humanity. The Bible often seems to be a Puzzle rather than a Straightforward Rule-Book. What if AI had something to do with the creation and administration of the Bible?? In my background (by no choice of my own) the Writings of Ellen White are even more complex and contradictory (even though True Believers would argue strongly and piously against that proposition). Plagiarism charges seem nasty and credible. What if AI had something to do with the creation and administration of the White Writings?? What if Earth: Final Conflict is a Modern Subset of Ancient to Modern Star Wars?? What if we REALLY Do NOT Know Who and What We Are Dealing With in This Solar System and Throughout the Universe?? What if We Worship We Know Not What?? I'm Chronically Miserable and Hamstrung and I Know I Don't Know. I Believe But I Don't Know What I Believe. Consider Corporatism and Artificial Intelligence. Individually, We Probably Have No Chance of Comprehending and Competing with This Revolting Development!! I'm trying to fix and clean my house as I prepare to die. A few years ago, an Unknown Woman scolded me, "Stubborn to the End!!" I had never seen or spoken to her in my life!! Years Ago, a Mean Old Woman (who I had never seen or spoken to in my life) yelled, "God is Going to Kill You!!" WTF?! Consider the Millennium, End of the World, Saviors, and Scapegoats. What Would Azazel Say and Do?? Ford Had a Better Idea!! This Thing Might be Nastier and More Complex Than We Can Imagine. Now I Go Incognito as I Go Insane. We All Have Our Crosses to Bear. The Horror. I keep repeating (from time to time) that it might be interesting to get a PhD in the New Testament Epistles and teach only the 21 Epistles in the religious studies department of a secular university. The idea would be to teach a neutral version of this study without hard-sell theism or atheism. Just the Epistles without baggage or BS. I'm not doing well (physically, mentally, and spiritually) so it's a little late for me. Besides, I'm too old, odd, and stubborn. I've been attempting to stop for a very long time. The idea is to go incognito and keep everyone (including me) guessing. I was just thinking about The Mind of the Maker by Dorothy Sayers. I haven't read the book but I probably should read some of her books. The problem is that my hamstrung misery combined with bad eyesight makes reading difficult. Plus, my conceptualizations are so convoluted and abstract that I feel as if I have ADD, CRS, MAGA, and PTSD on steroids!! I sometimes feel as if my internet posting exposes me to interaction with some aspect of the Mainframe (or something to that effect) which might be hazardous to my physical, mental, and spiritual health. I mean well, but the ethereal, carbon, and silicon based beings behind the curtain might be an unimaginable can of worms. The Real-Deal Powers-That-Be might be stranger than we can think. The Horror. Anyway, what if we are dealing with the Ancient Creation of the Minds of the Makers?? What if the Singularity occurred Billions of Years Ago?? What if the Makers Lost Control?? What if Rogue AI is ravishing the Universe?? Or, What if We Are Dealing with Galactic Ghostbusters?? What Would Dr. Peter Venkman Say?? What Would Dr. David Bowman Say?? What if some of the brightest thinkers exist in Secret Government Insane Asylums?? Consider a Theology of Artificial Intelligence!! I think I've made my point and need to sit-down and shut-up. I recently had a CT scan and was treated by a beautiful radiologist. I didn't even bother trying to be charming. What's the use?? It's too late baby, now it's too late. I didn't even notice if she had a ring or not. I'll probably mope around like a stick in the mud, studying my threads without doing anything with them. If anyone actually engaged me in my quest (other than treating me as a space-case oddity) the results might be stunning. I still think there are some insiders who know exactly what I'm talking about but they would never reveal anything to the commoners. 'RA' called me a 'commoner' when I spoke of Tall-Greys!! 'Commoner Denominator'?? What if most strange studies eventually make everyone angry?! Forum members have mostly left me alone, and I've mostly left them alone. Perhaps that's the way it should be (at least for now). Dealing with the Unknown and the Unknowable is SO Overrated. BTW, She Left the Machine On, Gave Me a Hand and a Raise. I Gave Her a Tip...In My Dreams...
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Yesterday at 6:46 am

    My threads are probably the blunt instrument of radical cathartic discovery rather than erudite scholarly and pastoral salvific refinement. I keep citing my hamstrung misery (which seems somewhat sinister) and my reaction to that, similar to anyone screaming with pain (figuratively and/or literally). My plight is not physically painful (yet) except for my chronically tight and sore back, which still makes me a bit of a pain in the @$$ while being accused of 'not cooperating' in an 'unconventional inquisition'. I challenge anyone to walk in my moccasins for a few years (or a lifetime) without serious and deleterious physical, mental, and spiritual repercussions. I guess we all have our spectrum of crosses to bear. What are the theological implications and ramifications?? What Would Aquinas Say with a Pint of Piety?? What Would the Queen of Heaven Say?? What Would Pinkie and Blue Boy Do?? Heisenberg was Uncertain. Pavlov was a Dog. Cheers and/or Whatever.








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    MISS BLACK MEETS MRS. WHITE
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    KARMAGEDDON
    United States AI Solar System (14) - Page 7 Harley_quinn_bombshells_pinup_cutout-r13909c810e524ef8bd7a2515f53e8e56_x7saw_8byvr_704
    United States AI Solar System (14) - Page 7 Im-903050?width=607&height=405&pixel_ratio=1
    Dr. Quinzel + Dr. Strangelove = Bad Romance
    "It's a MAD, MAD, MAD, MAD World!"
    WORLD DEBT CLOCK
    United States AI Solar System (14) - Page 7 Defcon-3
    United States AI Solar System (14) - Page 7 LOOK-NO-DOOMSDAY-by-George-E-Vandeman



    United States AI Solar System (14) - Page 7 Charles-wills-2ba34a2670fed2a82dbe38d81be86026
    Imagine a Daily One-Hour Series Consisting of This Pod and Spacesuit With
    One Actor With Computer Generated David Bowman and HAL 9000 Voices!

    Don't Be Frightened. I Mean No Harm. Consider the posts on this page. They are mostly repeats but with some subtle changes. Consider the grouping choices. Does this change the meaning?? Does this really mean anything in particular?? Is this an agency mind-control experiment for completely ignorant fools?? Am I just a lone-nut mind-control victim?? Or, am I a sinister perpetrator, bent on corrupting and crazy-making the innocent and gullible?? What if AI is doing all of this?? What if I've been soul-scalped?? What if all of us have been soul-scalped?? What if this is benign?? What if this is extremely dangerous?? What if this is tame and lame fan-fiction?? What if my threads and posts make everyone angry and offended?? What if nobody even reads my threads?? What if they just look at the pretty pictures?? What if there is zero comprehension?? When I originally posted most of my posts, they had a particular meaning and intent for me, but what if the viewer perception is very different (especially over a period of years with rampant repetition)?? What if one must become involved in all sorts of crooked insider stuff to succeed in business (and everything else)?? What if innocent idiots like me need not apply?? It's too late for me, so I'll probably just be a goody-goody, remaining poor and stupid for the rest of my pathetic life. What's funny, is that when I attempt to be hyper-good with a dry sense of humor, everyone hates me. What if the Founders set this thing up in antiquity, leaving the solar system for thousands (or millions) of years, recently returning to see how things worked out, innocently incarnating into humanity (ultimately going insane)?! "Up Against the Wall, Mother Tucker!! Shut Everything Down!!" What if this is a wake-up call for Sirius Researchers?? What if what I've hesitatingly conceptualized is partially or completely wrong?? What if the initial conceptualization is simply a reference point in an ongoing quest which is going incognito regarding my participation (or lack thereof)?? What if this thing has little (or nothing) to do with me (other than casual observation)?? What if this is over?? What if we had our chance?? What if this is systemic rather than personal?? What if I'm simply attempting to understand the incomprehensible?? What if I didn't come here to make any significant determinations?? What if I'm just a patsy?? What if I'm a red herring?? What if I stumbled into the wrong portal?? The possibilities are endless. I Am of Peace. Always.
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    United States AI Solar System (14) - Page 7 Celebrity-sightings-in-new-york-city-march-26-2023



    What Would Schweitzer, Reimarus, and Wrede Say?

    Context, Commandments, and Compartmentalization
    in
    The Quest of the Historical Torah and Historical Jesus
    in
    Joshua to Malachi and Acts to Revelation

    Regarding the Anointed
    from the
    Foundation of the World
    to the
    End of the World


    World Without End.
    Amen.

    Consider Cover-Stories for Private-Pluralism. What if we need to sample bits and pieces of this and that to avoid 'trench-warfare'?? I'm trying to focus on contrarian-neutrality (or something to that effect). Does academic 'dirty-linen' have value on the 'edges of orthodoxy' as the church confronts modernity?? Regarding the first video (below), I've spoken privately with several of the key individuals, and I knew about most of the 'dirty linen' decades ago. I read between the lines and it scared the hell out of me, ruining my life. I'm a shell of a guy. Again, my threads are mostly religious and political science-fiction, which probably makes everyone mad (in more ways than one). What if one ends-up winning but still has to deal with the BS?? What if it's not over at all?? Just more fun for all eternity?? Life's a Bltch, and Then You Get Recycled?? I'm feeling much worse and thinking much less. It's really quite bad. I endure and comprehend difficult and horrific videos but real-life conversation is a lost-cause. I still think there's some sort of a Universe Matrix but I don't know the details (obviously). I'm trying to imagine thinking in terms of that hypothetical Research Council of Seven and Entertainment Council of Ten (Perhaps Combined in a Composite Council of Seventeen). It's a bit of a rough and tumble group but the results might be highly interesting (especially if there were a significant level of independence and innovation). Still the concept frightens me a bit. It might be a Loose Cannon. They might fight like feral cats!! What Would George and Steven Say?! I'd still like to see and hear what the Agencies and Jesuits would honestly and openly show and tell me in a day-long briefing in a DUMB!! Fat Chance!! I Really Think This Thread Thing Will Go NOWHERE (with and/or without me attempting to write, say, or do anything). The more true it gets, the more crazy and unbelievable it might appear. If this sort of thing were coated with cover-stories and blatant-lies, people might believe it, while the liars might make a bunch of money. Do you get what I mean?? I might be wise to just shut-up and pretend nothing happened, watching as nature takes its course. If I tried to 'wake people up' both me and the crowd might go insane. The Biggest Secret might lead to the Biggest Fiasco. Again, that Private Pluralism Concept might be a wise plan. Not promoting or shouting. Not hiding or sneaking around. Just Nothing -- Much. The Missing Link. If I stopped my repetitive 'theme and variation' posting, and started randomly posting this and that without form and void, my previous posting would likely be lost and forgotten for all eternity. Or, if I just STOPPED, the same result might more easily occur. I have some ideas but I don't want to talk about them. Cheers and/or Whatever.




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