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starninja wrote:Brook,
If you read the first post on this tread, you would know why there are 2 treads.
I stand strongly for freedom and I hate any form of control. We are free to choose what we want to believe and free to choose with whom we want to associate.
starninja wrote:I am transferring my original tread the Infiltration of New Age Movement due to the fact that both Carol and Floyd didn’t respect my wishes.
This tread is about infiltration on the New Age movement not promoting it. So. I let them continue their discussion.
I have some thought I would like to share. Do we really have freedom here? Do we have freedom to choose what we want to believe? Or, the opposite, we are pushed to accept the administrators belief system. Are they going to tell us that we are not smart enough to find our truth but we need to be indoctrinated into their belief system? Don’t we have own standards what wisdom and intelligence is? Do they need to build a weak ago at our expense? Or, maybe the answer is simpler than that.
Don’t we have freedom what we want to read and with whom we want to interact?
This tread reflects an intense research that Sturdust did. It was to honor her and those that we both quoted who helped us to wake up. If they try to hijack this tread again, those who have eyes opened, will see what the agenda is.
Freedom and censorship
It is a pearl posted by Oliver at Avalon1.
projectavalon.net/forum/showt...=17931&page=19
Brook wrote:
Well, I don't get away from my thread I've been working on enough around here. As I came back to share some information, and hash around some ideas of perception. As Star has brought my "knowing and freedom" thread into the mix here..I would like to share something of the perception I had upon writing that thread.
I got hammered in that thread by several people at AV1 about bringing up the ego...in fact I was being "labeled" a new age freak of sorts. When in fact what I was saying was exactly what they were saying...in a different way. Now someone brought Eckhart Tolle into the mix. And because I had not read his stuff...only seen a few of his videos..I agreed with his take on one of his videos. Now what I did, was because I had never read any of his stuff, I got one of his books, and a couple of his CD's. The fact is,.I could not finish the book..it put me to sleep! And his CD's were even more mundane. If you follow this guy...you might as well hang up your hat and retreat to lala land. Because that is exactly where it will lead you.
Now, my take on the ego was in fact to dispel that perception...so I will state this first.............
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=160413&postcount=92
And I never intended to tell anyone to lose that part of themself.....this is your being! This is who you REALLY are...and this is who you should seek..not the "programmed" 3D adaptation that has been this life experience. Plain and simple! And with that "knowing" does come freedom...freedom of the perceived self that has been your experience here in this 3D aspect of who you really are. My ego is strong, as I know who I am, and have worked very hard to attain this part of myself...my TRUE self. And no matter what "perceptions" are out there of who I am.....I've gained that Know of who I am. And I stand proud of who I am...now would that be considered an EGO talking?....absolutely! Is it bad to feel that? Absolutely not! Just do not be driven by the Ego that you have been programmed with here and now to claim that as exactly who you are...as you are so much more!
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=160827&postcount=100
I love women who have a strong sense of self, or strong ego. I love men who have a strong sense of self too. LOL. But I can speak from a female perspective. I know what you mean when you said that you have worked very hard to embrace all parts and aspects of yourself. I have been working very hard too to attain it. I would even say that it is extremely hard to do so. In fact, it is a highly emotionally charged inner work as we have to face and challenge all beliefs including our core beliefs. But we also meet external resistance, judgment, and criticism as we go against programming and stereotyping. I believe that it is much harder for women to do as we were programmed that our worth depends on our ability to care for others. We were programmed not to have own dreams, needs and, wants but to meet the needs of others. Not too many women and men undertake this difficult task. Inner knowing is a big reward we gained as a result of our inner work. Yes, it is a reason to be proud of who we are. I believe that inner knowing and trusting ourselves is an quintessence of being a fully human.Hm…your truth doesn’t reflect mine. You have noticed that I don’t visit your treads any more. But I respect your beliefs and I am not trying to change your belief system. It is not my business. I don’t give you any advice, either. On the contrary, you are full of advice. Well, I don’t give any advice and I don’t take any advice unless I ask. People I choose to associate with don’t give any advice. I have to ask them! But even if I ask them, they are very reluctant to do so.Mudra wrote:
You are welcome to share your views Starninja .
However if you only allow on your threads people that pat you on the back and hold the exact same opinions as you
the place you chose to do so may not be the best one for you.
Better start a blog without comments allowed.
Carol and Floyd only expressed their own views regarding some of your posts .
Which is only normal on a forum where discussions are shared.
The censorship you question as far as I can see is rather coming from you.
As the OP of the thread if you are not open to discussion with others where is the freedom for all ?
From open discussion growth can take place .
Have a look at Brook's thread . She accepts and listens to everyone and is capable of holding a two way
conversation with people which is all in her honor and makes her thread friendly and alive.
starninja wrote:[
Mudra, live and let others live the life they want. It is a real love!
Superhero, I wouldn’t say goals. It sounds too much like a psychological jargon. How I can say it as I am so passionate about psychology, eh?Superhero wrote:
My thoughts on the New Age are simple - there has always been a New Age to believe in. Any time that someone would think outside the accepted box of the status quo - especially concerning spiritual beliefs - they were considered "New Age". The word Age is from the Greek word aion and has to do with - an order or system and arrangement of things - and when someone would have a new vision for the future that was opposed to the established rule he was proclaiming a new age to the people. Then people would congregate around this individual and his vision, and a new New Age group was born, then sooner or later someone would infiltrate the group and spread new doctrines within the group and a split would occur and the vision would change, and this has been going on and on for thousands of years.
Today in our modern world we have every kind of New Age thought imaginable, and to think that it has not been infiltrated is naive to say the least. Anything that reaches beyond the established thought systems or orthodox belief systems is considered New Age, and yes infiltration does occur in each one of these. All of the great spiritual leaders of the past were considered New Age thinkers and teachers of their time, and many were martyred for it, and today we have a hodgepodge of new age ideologies to choose from, but so much of it has been bastardized from the virgin revelations of the oracles and the Seers that is now a minefield of thoughts that seem to be focused on controlling us and taking us away from our personal power and freedoms of who we are as individual beings - yet connected in a powerful spiritual altitude. The Truth is within us all, and if we can ever come together in the spirit of cooperation - if our goals are the same - we just might be able to walk this road together and put together this jigsaw puzzle we call life.
Peace on earth and goodwill to all,
starninja wrote:Superhero, I wouldn’t say goals. It sounds too much like a psychological jargon. How I can say it as I am so passionate about psychology, eh?Superhero wrote:
My thoughts on the New Age are simple - there has always been a New Age to believe in. Any time that someone would think outside the accepted box of the status quo - especially concerning spiritual beliefs - they were considered "New Age". The word Age is from the Greek word aion and has to do with - an order or system and arrangement of things - and when someone would have a new vision for the future that was opposed to the established rule he was proclaiming a new age to the people. Then people would congregate around this individual and his vision, and a new New Age group was born, then sooner or later someone would infiltrate the group and spread new doctrines within the group and a split would occur and the vision would change, and this has been going on and on for thousands of years.
Today in our modern world we have every kind of New Age thought imaginable, and to think that it has not been infiltrated is naive to say the least. Anything that reaches beyond the established thought systems or orthodox belief systems is considered New Age, and yes infiltration does occur in each one of these. All of the great spiritual leaders of the past were considered New Age thinkers and teachers of their time, and many were martyred for it, and today we have a hodgepodge of new age ideologies to choose from, but so much of it has been bastardized from the virgin revelations of the oracles and the Seers that is now a minefield of thoughts that seem to be focused on controlling us and taking us away from our personal power and freedoms of who we are as individual beings - yet connected in a powerful spiritual altitude. The Truth is within us all, and if we can ever come together in the spirit of cooperation - if our goals are the same - we just might be able to walk this road together and put together this jigsaw puzzle we call life.
Peace on earth and goodwill to all,
I would rather say inner values that are true spiritual values such as love, truth, freedom, dignity, and beauty. Those inner values give rise to strong feelings and passions as they are related to one’s sense of self. I am a dreamer that one day we will bring those values again to life. But it requires a personal responsibility to grow and change. My colleague said that the world is full of immature adults. Well, I agree with her but I also see that they want us to be this way as it is very easy to control us. There is a stage in our personal growth where we don’t need gurus or spiritual teachers. Brook beautifully expressed it earlier. We have inner knowing and we trust it.
starninja wrote:Brook and Dysfunctionalmystic I am with you.
Since Oprah has been heavily promoted Tolle, let's have some fun at her version of Law of One.
starninja wrote:Brook and Dysfunctionalmystic I am with you.
Since Oprah has been heavily promoted Tolle, let's have some fun at her version of Law of One.
Are these Oprah's mind controlled zombies? 
You couldn't pay me to go to something like this. 
