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    Post  Carol Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:24 am

    dolphin wrote:
    NANUXII wrote:Coronavirus is bs ...


    What happens to you when you are told you have cancer ?   depending on your BELIEFS you will either get really sick really quickly or nothing will happen to you at all.

    POWER OF SUGGESTION.  

    If you are a fear based person you will rush to get the Immunisation and that is one part of the end game.


    If you are a non fear based person you will eat well , exercise and continue to be healthy.  


    Get away from the ideas and shenanigans they are popularising ,  a few things you need to do right now !  


    1 : Secure good clean food and water. How ?  ask your friends if they know a farm that produces clean food. Get that farm to send you a food pack once a week and eat clean fresh vegetables.

    2 : Diversify your finances.  Invest in some sort of crypto , invest in tangibles, silver and gold, Silver right now is cheep but its going to J curve over the next 2 months.

    3 :  Do not be afraid , stop enlisting in fear , take control of your mind and be part of the solution.





    hi, i posted this same opinion on Project Avalon forum. that there are other agendas for the CV fear. When I did, over several posts and including some youtubes that question this CV scare, i was admonished by Bill Ryan. now they won't let me post. unbelievable. they turned off my ability to post on the forum. i thought forums were to discuss different points of view.

    That's typical for Bill Ryan and something he has done to most of use here in the Mists who first met at the PA forum. If someone is not in agreement with him he bans them.


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    Post  Micjer Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:10 am

    Trump tries to lure CureVac to make a 'U.S. vaccine,' but German government steps in


    https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/president-trump-tries-to-lure-curevac-to-make-a-u-s-vaccine-but-german-government-steps

    Side note.....major financial supporter of this company.......

    Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. scratch

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CureVac


    In March 2015, CureVac's investor, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, agreed to provide separate funding for several projects to develop prophylactic vaccines based on CureVac's proprietary mRNA platform
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    Post  Micjer Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:27 am

    First coronavirus vaccine trial in the US is recruiting volunteers


    https://www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html


    Researchers in Seattle have begun recruiting healthy volunteers to participate in a clinical trial for an experimental COVID-19 vaccine, according to news reports.

    The vaccine, developed by the biotechnology company Moderna Therapeutics, was initially sent to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) in Maryland on Feb. 24, according to The Wall Street Journal. The agency anticipates launching a clinical trial by the end of April and will sponsor the Kaiser Permanente Washington Health Research Institute to conduct the testing, NIAID Director Anthony Fauci told The Wall Street Journal.

    Forty-five healthy volunteers between the ages of 18 and 55 will be enrolled in the initial trial, which aims to determine whether the vaccine triggers an immune response, and whether the given dose causes adverse side effects, according to a description on ClinicalTrials.gov.
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    Post  Micjer Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:39 am

    Doesn't it seem a little too convenient that this new Biotech Vaccine is all of a sudden available so quickly after the arrival of this Covid-19 virus.

    Vaccines previously .......

    [i]A vaccine works by training the immune system to recognize and combat pathogens, either viruses or bacteria. To do this, certain molecules from the pathogen must be introduced into the body to trigger an immune response. These molecules are called antigens, and they are present on all viruses and bacteria.Nov 22, 2019[i]


    Now this new biotech vaccine is going after the messenger RNA in your body..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA

    Here is my concern, do we want to be injecting a vaccine into our bodies that has the ability to change our RNA.....or potentially our DNA.

    My gut tells me that the PTB will not be lining up to take it let alone be a test subject.


    Anybody else looking down this rabbit hole?
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    Post  Swanny Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:20 pm

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    Post  Micjer Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:51 am

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    Post  Carol Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:28 am

    This is excellent info that was posted at GLP. Link on bottom.

    Coronavirus isn't just airborne, it's aerosolized........they know this, but aren't talking about it
    This is why quarantines fail, this is why doctors and nurses wearing PPE gear still get sick, and this is why it has spread so far, so rapidly

    It's not just aerosolized, it's essentially dry-aerosolized when the smallest respiratory particles evaporate when they leave the lungs

    Look at it like this

    They are trying to mislead you by telling you about droplet transmissions

    Droplet transmission is an upper respiratory phenomenon, and produces 2 to 200 micron diameter particles ( ~ x2 for sneeze droplet sizes )

    That's all well and good, we know those particles drop out of the air pretty fast

    Here's the problem with that though...

    2019-nCov is not an upper respiratory infection.....it's a lower respiratory infection

    The media fails to mention that every time you breath, in the lower part of the lungs, literally trillions of 1 micron and smaller particles are manufactured

    ....with every breath......no cough, no sneeze needed

    This is easily demonstrable by the capture of +5 milliliters of water from the lungs, every hour ( You lose water when you breath )

    2019-nCov is about ~100 nanometers ( On average )

    1 micron ( 1,000 nanometers ) particles from the lower respiratory system ( Breathing ) will pick up viruses from the surface of the epithelial cells where the infection is occurring

    So this means, that even in the smallest particles that come out of your lungs, during normal breathing, there can be a viral load

    A 1 micron particle can carry something like 1 to 8 or so viruses

    That's doom with a capital D

    That's why it's not just airborne, but also aerosolized

    Will go right through an n95 mask ( Which are only rated to stop 95% of particles down to .3 microns

    That's still not small enough to stop the smallest particles that come out of the lungs

    how " infectious " is defined

    Lets see if you can answer this simple question:

    Tuberculosis is considered to be the deadliest infectious disease in the modern world, and kills 1,000,000+ people a year

    ....yet rhinoviruses, the cause of the common cold, are actually responsible for 2 to 3 times as many deaths as Tuberculosis, and are considered fairly harmless

    Why is that ?

    irc, respirator filters usually are dusted with something to specifically electrostatically trap those particles that make it into the actual pores of the filter

    If you read some studies on masks, most of them provide the probability for small particles to pass through

    Think about it...

    TB is caused by a bacteria

    Like 2019-nCov, it is a lower respiratory infection

    And TB is most definitely transmissible by air, but only by droplet transmission and not aerosol, even though the infection is in the area where the smallest particles come from ( Lower respiratory )

    The reason why it's considered the deadliest modern pathogen, yet doctors rarely even bother to wear masks around patients is simple.

    TB bacteria are very large, in fact much larger than coronaviruses

    ~ 3,000 nanometers VS ~ 100 nanometers

    A 3,000 nanometer long bacteria isn't going to fit into a 1 micron particle like a 100 nanometer virus will

    This is why you literally have to drink a few sneezes from a very sick patient to catch TB and you have to do it often ( Since the body's immune system can easily fend off a few bacteria, but not a ton of bacteria ....)

    Get it ?

    Aerosol particles with an effective diameter smaller than 10 microns can enter the bronchi, while the ones with an effective diameter smaller than 2.5 microns can enter as far as the gas exchange region in the lungs

    That's the lower respiratory system, ieo, right where the infection first takes hold.

    Read a few papers on bio-aerosols:

    Coughs - "Coughing and Aerosols". New England Journal of Medicine

    Sneezes - "Microbe-laden aerosols" (PDF). Microbiology Today

    Breathing - "The Mechanism of Breath Aerosol Formation". Journal of Aerosol Medicine and Pulmonary Drug Delivery

    If you want to take 20 minutes and watch this, it should help clarify the difference in transmissions

    https://youtu.be/EYJz58I-rbQ

    One of my parents was a virologist, just trying to help correct the misunderstanding from the BS in the mainstream media

    Think about this-

    Claiming it's not airborne,... but then claiming it's spread by particles from the lungs,( Which technically is referred to as " aerosolization " ) either means whoever made that claim to begin with, is either directly obfuscating facts, or they are just as dumb as a bag of hammers and shouldn't even be speaking on the matter.

    SARS coronavirus was considered airborne.....yet not aerosolized, even though technically the droplets it are carried in are considered " bio-aerosols "

    Why ?

    Because it was an UPPER respiratory infection and therefore only spread by large droplet transmission, hence = " airborne "

    2019-nCov is a LOWER respiratory infection that is spread by micro-droplets, hence " aerosolized "

    Technically, both are considered " aerosolized " and also " airborne "

    The major difference is that large particles carrying SARS drop out of the air rapidly, while micro-droplets carrying 2019-nCov DO NOT

    Airborne Bio-weapons by comparison, are DRY-aerosolized products, smaller than 1 micron.

    Micro-droplets of 1 micron DRY in to half their size in about 1/10 of a second and are technically referred to as " desiccated particles "

    dessicated = dried

    Don't know if I can lay it out any more bluntly than that.

    The CDC and WHO play games with terminologies, don't fall for it !

    Let me give you an example of something else they are not discussing, and that is the actual reason this virus is extraordinarily tricky ( Bioinformaticians, molecular geneticists and virologists already are aware of this , btw )

    Long read ahead.

    We have all seen that this virus seems to have an ability to stay under the radar for extended periods of time, right ?

    Like 1-24 days, maybe as long as 28+ days, you can be asymptomatic

    Let's dissect this- When you are asymptomatic and infectious at the same time, this means you are either slightly infectious, somewhat infectious, or highly infectious

    The severity of " Infectious " here can be equated with the " viral load ", iow, how many viruses can be found in your fluids

    slightly infectious = low viral load
    somewhat infectious = medium viral load
    highly infectious = high viral load

    Now normally we say someone is " infected "

    This however does not mean they are " suffering from an infection "

    Why is " infected " not the same as " infectious " ?

    An " infection " is really when you are past the asymptomatic period ( NOT suffering ), and into the " clinical " phase of the illness ( Suffering )

    This is when you start to display " symptoms " of the " infection ", but you are " infectious " during BOTH periods ( Asymptomatic AND clinical )

    " Symptoms " are how we describe what happens during the immune system response process

    This is when your body starts literally waging war on it's own tissues ( Where the invaders are ), this is when you are " sick "

    There are really 2 separate immune systems in the body

    ~ One is on the cellular level
    ~ One is the whole body ( the " innate " immune system )

    In order for you to be into the clinical phase of the illness, you have to be sick, in order to be sick, your immune system has to be full out waging it's war

    But this really tends to only happen when the innate immune system has actually gotten the " alarm " from the cells that they have been invaded

    The alarm is the " signaling molecule " that the cell has released, as a response to being invaded

    In this case, the signaling molecule is the cytokine protein found in the human epithelial mucousal cell that has been invaded, also known as a " pro-inflammatory cytokine "

    Cytokines are also known as " interferons " ( Because they usually interfere with the virus' ability to hijack the cell's machinery to create more viruses ) They belong to a large subgroup of proteins that help regulate the activity of the immune system by acting as signaling proteins which are made and released by cells in response to the presence of the virus

    So, what do we do?

    well.....avoid large groups of people for one

    the way this virus is going to spread is through blooms ( little localized outbreaks that grow larger until they merge ), so expect " growth spurts " in the spread, ( Because of the highly variable asymptomatic period )

    Me personally, ...I am a recluse by nature, but I have started to not ride the bus, not take any taxi cabs, and have started doing things like grocery shopping at about 3am, when there are only a few employees in the store, and when I have to hit a store that isn't open 24 hours, I go either right at the opening time, or 5 minutes before they close, so I can avoid any crowds

    I also started taking note of my friends and their social activities, ( Do they go out and bar hop, do they have a ton of friends, how much are they paying attention to the situation,....etc )

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    There are 2 known types with 3 forms: Interferon I, Interferon II and III

    Type I interferons can be produced by almost any cell upon stimulation by a virus; their primary function is to induce viral resistance in cells. Type II interferon is secreted only by natural killer cells and T lymphocytes; its main purpose is to signal the immune system to respond to infectious agents or cancerous growth

    Interferon has serious side effects, which include flu-like symptoms of fever and fatigue as well as a decrease in the production of blood cells by the bone marrow All interferons inhibit viral replication by interfering with the transcription of viral nucleic acid

    As an immune system response this type II interferon is also released by natural killer T lymphocytes that normally roam the body, it's role is to inhibit viral replication inside the cells

    So what normally happens is that the " signaling molecule ", the cytokine, immediately attaches to the receptor on the neighboring cell, telling it to produce more cytokines to " raise the alarm ", and this " alarm " spreads exponentially

    Now Interferon II ( Innate immune system ) has high binding potential for Interferon I ( Cellular immune system ), so when enough of the two proteins encounter each other and start to bind ......this is when the immune system goes into high gear

    For something like a rhinovirus ( Common cold cause ), this happens very fast, usually 12-24 hours


    So,.............. why does 2019-nCov seem to be able to evade detection in tests and also somehow " hide " it's activities from the body's innate immune system for 24+ days while replicating at a very high rate ?

    The virus prevents cells from making or sending out alarm cytokines that would normally tip off the innate immune system cytokine Interferon II

    What does this all mean ?

    No alarm proteins being made = no warning to immune system
    No warning to immune system response = no immune response
    No immune response = asymptomatic

    Couple that with maximized rate of viral replication and you get:

    Asymptomatic + high viral load = highly infectious

    Since there are so few natural killer cells that normally roam the body, and there are virtually no " alarm " proteins being made or secreted by infected cells, by the time the virus has been replicating inside the body at such a high rate, for such a long time, it starts to use all the available ACE2 that the body normally uses to regulate blood pressure ( Because it's stealing that ACE2 protein and using it like a key to enter cells, because the cells recognize ACE2 as a " friendly " molecule and not an invader )

    This ( along with a few other very complex things ), essentially means the body gets to an " OH XXXX !! " moment and you get the " cytokine storm " that kills patients

    The reason being, is that the body's immune system finally picks up on the fact there is a raging infection going on and responds with overwhelming force

    That " overwhelming force " is the " cytokine storm “

    The part it won't let me post pertains to a certain protein in the viral genome that prevents cellular nuclear transport ( How alarm cytokines are secreted from cells, through their nuclear envelope - the cell membrane ) to warn the innate immune system )

    Hopefully this helps in understanding why this virus does what it does

    The blocking of the cell's call for help is called the " ORF10-Rae1 " interaction

    ORF10 ( A protein ) being the section of the viral genome identified by the " open read frame 10 "

    Rae1 is the critical mRNA export factor that is absolutely essential for cellular processes that include manufacturing cytokine proteins

    ...this virus blocks Rae1 activity

    It's like gagging your cellular immune system so it cannot call out for help

    This is why it potentially can hide and replicate without triggering immune response, and when the response does happen....it's overwhelming

    Overwhelming = cytokine storm = heart attack

    This is why you see certain people just keeling over

    And just in case you are still confused about " airborne "

    Aerosol = airborne = 1 micron or less = lower respiratory
    Droplet = airborne = 20 to 200 microns = upper respiratory

    That is the ONLY difference

    ACE2 = Angiontension Converting Enzyme II.

    Blood Pressure medications DO NOT work on ACE2.

    ACE Inhibitors work on ACE1.
    - ACE1 converts Angiontension I to Angiontension II.
    - Angiontension II is what is responsbile for raising blood pressure via vasuclar constriction and increases aldosterone which causes the kidneys to retain sodium and water.

    ARBs (Angiontension Receptor Blockers) work by blocking the Angiontension II Receptor.

    ACE2 is another enzyme that converts Angiontision II back to Angiontension I - 7, which are basically inert in the body. Therefore ACE2 when activiated normally reduces blood pressure, reduces aldoerterone and lowers sodium/water retention.

    Statins actually increase the activity of ACE2 (that is not their primary action for cholesterol, which is to reduce Coenzyme-A Reductase) but it is a secondary or additional mechanism of action.

    There are research chemcials which are ACE2 antagonists- very expensive and only a small amount available; not a prescription drug. If you were to take them, they would create a spike in blood pressure.

    I believe a statin MAY be protective by binding the ACE2 site and prventing the spiky protein from entering into ACE2 - reducing infection, transmission and infections but I have no idea if this is 100% true and am looking for someone who knows more biochemistry and virology then me to way in. If anyone on here knows or knows someone who knows the answer to this, please let us know.

    Here's the same thing, coming from Dr John

    aerosol

    https://youtu.be/M4FLqWw0CbQ

    it's measured in nanometers

    coronaviruses are " pleomorphic " , so they have different sizes

    This one seems to range from 60 to 140 nanometers, so an average of 100 nanometers

    1 micron = 1,000 nanometers

    Take for example SARS

    NOT dry-aerosolized in small particles

    only short distance droplet transmission

    Therefore, although it was a very nasty virus, it was not incredibly dangerous because it was an UPPER respiratory infection and the upper respiratory area only produces LARGE particles

    MERS was a LOWER respiratory infection

    2019-nC0v is a LOWER respiratory infection

    https://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message4283126/pg1


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    Post  Micjer Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:34 pm





    You folks have to watch this video. It puts so much into focus.


    The Rats are running. The Storm is here.
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    Post  mudra Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:00 pm

    Micjer wrote:



    You folks have to watch this video.  It puts so much into focus.


    The Rats are running.  The Storm is here.


    Allow me to have a diverging point of view from yours Micjer.

    No these CEOs are right on  target according to their own plan and inner knowing.
    Maybe very rich people plan the future behind the scenes and know exactly when the time is ripe to act.

    Yes the storm is coming you are spot on.
    But not for them I don't believe that for a second.
    Its coming  for we the people.
    And will hit us in precise layed out steps.
    As a matter of fact its already here at play right in front of our eyes.
    While everyone's attention is grabbed by the corona and understandibly so,
    time is ticking and lots is going on. Imho Wink

    Are you ready ?

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    Post  Swanny Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:56 pm

    I hope you're not right Mudra but I fear you are.
    I'm as ready as I'll ever be

    Been preparing for this moment for 12 years Insanely Happy
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    Post  Micjer Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:22 pm

    I am with Swanny!

    Watching info on the looking glass now. Wow this is getting weird.
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    Post  mudra Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:29 pm

    Micjer wrote:I am with Swanny!

    Watching info on the looking glass now.  Wow this is getting weird.  

    So glad you are.
    Would you like to speed up your understanding scroll down the covid1984 thread.
    And see if you can put the pieces of the puzzle together.







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    Post  mudra Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:05 pm

    Swanny wrote:I hope you're not right Mudra but I fear you are.
    I'm as ready as I'll ever be

    Been preparing for this moment for 12 years Insanely Happy

    Glad you are ready Swanny Cheerful
    12 years of prepping sound like a good figure.

    Be well my friend.



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    Post  Jenetta Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:12 am

    CHARLIE WARD : QUANTUM FINANCIAL SYSTEM, TRUMP, FINANCIAL RESET - FINAL VERSION

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpgyJ9YC1NI&feature=emb_logo


    THIS VIDEO HAS BEEN EDITED TO REMOVE DELAYS...BROADCAST LIVE VIA YOUTUBE.
    Charlie Ward has been receiving inside info from what he calls high level government contacts regarding the financial reset and the plan to shut down the economies of the world as far back as 6 years ago.  
    Excellent video.
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