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    Post  B.B.Baghor on Wed Feb 03, 2016 1:11 pm

    Sanicle wrote:OK, I’m not going to bother going into the subtle level of manifestation re dragons/reptilians too much.  I’ll just make a few points and you can figure the rest out for yourselves if you wish.

    • ‘Experiencers’ of various kinds having been saying for quite a long while now that all lifeforms have a blueprint that elementals facilitate the building of.  Science has since discovered DNA and RNA – that blueprint.

    • Humanity has reptilian forms of all kinds well established in their cell memories and collective unconscious, so ‘building’ the forms of those in the subtle realms is no biggie through continually adding lots of thought power to such forms via a continued interest in such beings.  All that’s being shared by those who’ve met with reptilian ETs, all the movies about dinosaurs plus an ongoing interest in them is enough to continue their existence in the astral realms alone.   That doesn’t include those that are already there from ancient times.

    • It’s been proven that telepathy with animals is possible and it’s known that through channelling we can communicate telepathically with beings from the subtle realms also.  So whether it is a being in what we know as animal form or a being there shapeshifting into an animal form to communicate from those realms with us, it’s possible.

    • I’ve also been told that sneaky beings in the astral can place an animal in front of you for the clairvoyant among us but do the telepathic communication themselves while hidden from your vision.

    There’s more but I won’t add them because it gets complicated and I don’t have the time or energy to go into it.  As I said, you can figure it out for yourselves should you choose to.

    I love you


    Please let me know, in due time, Sanicle, if what I’m sharing with you sounds comprehensive. Is that the correct word? There’s been a growing awareness in me, a deeper learning, during the last years, of what it takes to be relatively safe and at the same time balanced, while being in touch with, or in resonance with, different levels of vibrations and beings present in it. And what the causes are that make these experiences agreeable or annoying. This is my view, based on my experiences.

    In the Schools of Intuitive Development, that I’ve attended, or about which I’ve read books, there’s a particular point of view, on how certain events in people’s lives can cause a sudden ripping open of the veil. I mean the veil between the 3rd D world of physical form and density and higher vibrational existences. I’d better share my own experience with you, for what’s in the books about this subject is often abstract when written as a theory or treatise, not always easy to grasp.

    I should clarify, before going in that story, based on readings of energy in people’s past, when this was relevant and related to the issue that was addressed, most human beings seem to make a decision around their 3rd year of age, about how to be present in their own life, or make efforts not to, and how to relate to the outside world. A sort of basic attitude in life, or the foundation to build one’s views and opinions on.

    When I grew up and entered my 3rd year of age, I’ve sent out “a call” inviting guidance from the spirit world. The way I became aware of having such company, was by finding feelings of unsafety and distrust, when pondering conditions on planet Earth, thinking vaguely “That’s not my nature to look at it this way”. This was during a time when a deeper appreciation and love for lady Gaia grew in me.

    The acknowledgment of the actual presence and impact of my companion, a male being which loved to support me, happened during an energy-reading, in the recent period of my life where much change began to happen. When the moment came that I stood more firmly on my own 2 feet, it became clear that his role had been played and his presence had become unnecessary. By separating, I would find a better condition for new growth and emotional comfort on my own accord or something of that nature, which was supposed to be solely my choice.

    The woman who was with me in the energy-reading, told me that the presence of this guide began to be in the way of where my path in life was going now. “This guide, from a higher spiritual level, has helped you to move through your life, to discern when it was better to be in your body and when it was okay and safe to be out of your body. For himself, as he was on a path of learning too, there was an issue and that was his own past life-experiences, causing him to be in lack of trust, feeling unsafe with human intentions and the conditions on this planet. He projected that on me, or rather, that story of his was bleeding through, in our connection.

    “That guide is so used to play out his role for you, that you need to be the one who reminds him of a choice to end it. You may choose a moment one day, telling him that you’re grateful for his guidance, but that you feel his task is complete. Make clear to him, in a respectful way, that his role isn’t needed anymore, due to your being present more fully in your body, knowing who you are a bit better now. You might give him thanks and invite him to withdraw, so that he can choose a new direction and destiny. And move on, just as you’ve moved on, part of a natural process in life” she explained.

    As often happens in the energy readings I ask for, this time too, I felt inside that these words caused much connecting of dots and I recognized and memorized my early years in life, shifting from being in or out of my body. Sometimes, when an energy-reader gives words to something my being is showing to that reader, it enlightens a reality or truth, which otherwise is hard to pinpoint and put in words. Certain truths in ourselves can be experienced as half-truth and half-denial, in a twilight zone, ensuring our emotional comfort. Also I think that this is true: you can’t ask questions about that which you don’t know, nor can you talk about things you’re unconscious of, can you? Voila, that’s where an energy-reading can offer its value, see?

    At any rate, I’m now returning to that ripping open of the veil, when a trauma is present in a person. As a reaction to it, the being of that person may choose to leave the physical and emotional body, in order to survive and feel safe. That’s what may be at the root of a multi-personality disorder and people with fragmented personalities, or shattered personalities, often diagnosed as psychotic or schizophrenic, by the medical world. I’m not in favor of those labels at all, for many drugs have been fabricated to subdue difficult behavior in those people, never offering a cure or solution.

    More often than not, a channeling medium may find psychic skills by having gone through trauma, or holding a traumatic issue from birth, present inside but unnoticed. This way of opening the crown chakra, calling for support and guidance to the levels of higher vibration beyond physical form, easily connects with beings in the lower levels of the 4th dimension. Here, in my point of view, the resonance steps in: unsolved issues in the root-chakra, where the sexual focus is present in men, and those in the second chakra, where the sexual focus is present in women, are by resonance welcoming the energies of those lower levels, that thrive on instinctual sensual impressions, a feeding on life force energy in other human beings.

    The same attitude in humans, be it sublimation of trauma, addiction to repetitive behavior and attachment to a certain conduct that is an abuse of power or a surrendering in submission, in victimhood. Predator or bait, both are expressions of the same issue, with deep fear at the core. Played out differently, in 3d reality, as if both are of a very different nature. Which in essence isn’t true. To me, that’s the kind of polarity that sprouts degeneration, each partner holding the other partner imprisoned. While a polarity in freedom, with an attraction, or magnetism, in a vibration of love, sprouts rejuvenation and evolution.

    The beings of the lower 4th dimensional levels, may have an agenda of their own, trying to interfere with the soul-purpose of their host, so that the life of the host serves their agenda and not the other way around. In other words, a host, visited by such a being, may feel the need for such guidance, solely coming from avoiding deep pain, seeking solace while in great unbalance.

    Which is fully understandable. That situation calls for self-reflection, for clearance of one’s energy system, mainly the root chakra, where survival issues and a “yes” in acceptance of being in a physical form and trust for safety, are potentially present. Also there may be a contract, created by the partners involved, due to former life- experiences, promises once made, under pressure or in freedom, a soul agreement to work out issues together. For that being the case, it’s sometimes very hard to grasp or relate to other people’s actions and reactions in life.

    As I see it, there seems to be hardly a pure evil intention, existing as a thing in or of itself. To me, it seems that in most cases there’s the creation of a view, a feeling towards life and one’s own and actions towards oneself and other living beings, chosen on the basis of free will. Here, the turning of the karmic wheel becomes audible. Or the symbol of yin-yang, with those 2 dots as eyes of both fishes encircling each other, which I tend to see as all inclusive aspects of life, where no-thing is in existence by itself.

    In all of “the bold and the beautiful-soap-bubble-drama” a relationship formed in this “double binding” is a strong one, if you get my drift. A relationship in a dance that takes two in an almost desperate burning of desires and acting out of drama. The sort of existence that is expressed in this painting of Dante’s Inferno.

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    The presence of free will, as a freeing force, may offer a change on the dance floor, a change in polarity. Ending the game that is so magnetic, specially when the instincts are obeyed, keeping the status quo present on that level, trapped in the double bind relationship that serves the partner who thrives on using life force energy to conquer others and even “own” them. While that same game is serving a victimhood in the other partner, as long as both partners believe in their roles and know of no other way, obeying what’s told to them by their lower chakra’s. Each chakra are lenses, holding a different interpretation of our reality and when we come to know them better, we’re free to choose which lens and vibration serves our life’s purpose and soul journey.

    Imagine for a moment, how revelations of a religious nature prove to be “just what the doctor orders” to the person involved. When that same person explains that experience as ordained by divine order and thus… hunky dory for humanity. Hunky dory, in essence only, to those who love to rule over others in the name of…. God!? Voila, the deception of religions, that is in existence for a long time now, on planet Earth.

    Generally, traumatized people either turn into whistleblowers, or they kill themselves, unable to cope with a life in suffering. These two ways are the extremes, with many more ways of life in between. In project Camelot and – Avalon several of us here have witnessed these expressions, or heard of them, in the interviews. Among those whistleblowers there are those who can look in the eyes of truth and gain wisdom, learning to live with their experience, making peace with all that it entails.

    The integration of past and present, in order to become whole again and restore one’s autonomy, is one of many roads that lead to a state of ease and peace. Mostly it’s in the inner workings that this is found again. Even being at peace in acknowledging the truth of being a traumatized human being having learned to cope with that truth and possibly forgive.

    Without meaning to label or judge the process of finding what works for us, or not, it’s precisely the balancing of root-chakra and crown-chakra that is key in balancing the use of life force energy and to grow in awareness. When unresolved issues are present in the root-chakra, they’re affecting the choices of non-physical connections and actions, from the level of the crown-chakra. Here’s where the principle of resonance shows up. And when unresolved issues are present in the crown-chakra, they’re affecting the choice of physical connections and actions, from the level of the root- chakra.

    This is where I believe the expression “As above, so below” stems from. Although there are more areas in life where it can be applied to. In the realm of relationships the expression could be “As within, so without” meaning the attraction of a situation with a person that is mirroring to the other. “It takes two to tango”, I love that phrase. I’ve learned to enjoy that dance more and to look at challenging conditions in life as invitations to outgrow my limitations and draw closer towards a more compassionate state. No holy poly pudding or pink cloud, to be clear.

    When a person leaves the physical body in order to avoid emotional and physical pain, there appears a stationary phase for the soul. Growth is prevented that way, not meaning to suggest it’s good or bad. I believe a soul can be damaged to a certain degree. For myself only, I know now, that if I had had a chance to meet up with that man I met in the virtual world, 5 years ago, chances were high, that my soul would’ve suffered possible damage, due to not being aware of my life’s story, of what the hidden agenda was, or what was at stake, at that time. I’ve been in white hot sizzling fury, before it dawned on me who I was in this story.

    At some point, I was roller skating in a remote area, with cows in the meadows around me, yelling at God “I’m so mad, I want you to help me to give meaning and purpose to this!” This funny and somewhat unusual prayer has helped me much, in strengthening my voice, for whatever was listening, my prayer is heard. I wonder if we pray to ourselves when assuming it’s to God. It seems that it’s us who need to remind God and wake him up, at times, in making large waves. Large gestures, in order to be noticed.

    One of the treasures I found in all those years of emotional turmoil, is that by fully embracing pain, be it physical or emotional, and treat them as way-showers and teachers, healing happens because the heart is present in that embrace, as companion. As I perceive it, physical pain is the final most dense expression of unresolved emotional pain. That’s how I look at the different levels of life’s expressions: physical, emotional and spiritual. All is part of one principle, different in expression, all inter-related, inter-dependent.

    I’ve begun to look at the acrobatics of life in this way, that it’s the soul or higher self, that decides to place events and meetings with people on a person’s path, in order to create opportunities: like in the triggering of issues, so that awareness and waking up may occur. For that’s what I feel is the main purpose in life, or of the soul. It will try to make itself known in many different ways and by little nudges, encouraging growth and evolution. Though it may work out in ways that makes us swear, cry and scream, burn in scorn and fury, going over the threshold while kicking and screaming. I’ve done that, for a while at least. I shouldn’t promise to have left it behind forever Cheerful

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    Post  Sanicle on Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:37 pm

    Good for you BB.  That was well written and I would've really appreciated reading that 20 years ago when I was involved in that difficult relationship which occurred before I was able to learn more about spirituality and the subtle realms, thanks to (mainly) the Internet.

    The path that's developed for me since is in harmony with my nature.  I see the subtle realms of this planet as being as much the environment we live in as the physical one and my choice is to learn to understand the beings that inhabit them in the hope of living in harmony with them if possible, allowing for differences of being, having learned not to place human values on them and respecting that difference.  For some, like natural predators that seek only to dominate, it means keeping my distance, while for others that also wish to relate as I do, it's finding a way of doing so to increase understanding and establish the boundaries needed for mutual comfort and learning.

    As an example of how that works for me, on this plane, as a child I had a great fear of spiders.  So I decided to study them and worked up to confronting my fear.  Now I can mostly live in harmony with them in my home.  The main problem I have now is that, as they have no fear of me (unless I move too quickly near them and they feel threatened) they at times try to climb up my legs to say 'hello'  Razz and that does still freak me out a bit as my body's survival instincts kick in (just the same as theirs do in the example above) before my brain does.  Some that I know would be happier outside I'll put in a glass and take them out.  The same for those I know could cause my body damage if we unexpectedly ran into each other.  Other than that we each do our own thing and I like to watch them scuttling around the place, living their own little lives as they have the right to.  I will only kill to defend me and mine and some who are unjustly tormented if there is no alternative, knowing I can do so on every level of being.

    As for my ex astral lover, I resolved that by convincing him eventually that he would be better off finding someone who was more compatible ie who enjoyed the sex, drugs and rock and roll as much as he does and then ignoring him for the most part so as not to 'feed' him.  He's enjoyed a few relationships since then (along with all the groupies) with more compatible women and comes to visit on occasion, still unable to comprehend that I can resist him, I'm told, haha.  We talk as friends and I can do so now with no fear, stress or pain. Any others who approach this way are ignored.

    Can we end this discussion now ................ please?  I love you


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    Post  B.B.Baghor on Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:28 am

    Sanicle's words: "As for my ex astral lover, I resolved that by convincing him eventually that he would be better off finding someone who was more compatible ie who enjoyed the sex, drugs and rock and roll as much as he does and then ignoring him for the most part so as not to 'feed' him. He's enjoyed a few relationships since then (along with all the groupies) with more compatible women and comes to visit on occasion, still unable to comprehend that I can resist him, I'm told, haha. We talk and I can do so now with no fear".

    Thank you for telling me of your humorous approach and resolution, Sanicle. When we find and use humor in these sort of affairs, we're able to stand our ground pretty well. It's one of the tonics of life, to me.

    Sanicle's words: "Can we end this discussion now ................ please? I love you "

    Yes, of course we can end it now and please end it when you feel it's come to an end for you, Sanicle.
    Initially I felt like coming back to our discussion later, after returning to the UK and having had a rest.
    Than, I felt it was better to be in the moment of what was pondered and shared in this discussion of ours
    and I kept replying, so that we could bring it to an end without "stretching the elastic" too far LOL



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    Amazing creatures, spiders, isn't it?
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    Post  Carol on Fri Feb 05, 2016 9:34 am

    B.B.Baghor wrote:

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    Amazing creatures, spiders, isn't it?

    Is that its face or is it eating a cookie?


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    Post  mudra on Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:32 am

    Carol wrote:
    B.B.Baghor wrote:

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    Amazing creatures, spiders, isn't it?

    Is that its face or is it eating a cookie?

    It's the Native african fishy spider Carol.

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    Post  Sanicle on Sun Feb 07, 2016 5:38 am

    Well my guess is that Xeia is not coming back to continue in this thread and I'm also guessing that could be because we did get a bit off tangent from her original purpose in starting this thread........and maybe because we didn't ask the questions she was looking for re what's been hidden re Thubans.  For my part in that I apologzie Xeia. Embarassed  I thought going into possible reasons why 'cults' like this could occur might be helpful, but apparently not.

    Further along on that 'wrong track' I'd just like to add this for those interested.  I wrote here in post #44
    In the angel’s view (like so many others) all lives are occurring now and each ‘incarnation’ is an aspect of our ‘higher selves’ made manifest in various dimensions of experience. He put it to me that the reptilians that are challenging we humans are actually aspects of ourselves, serving our overall evolution by doing so. In this case the predator/prey dynamic, among others, is being explored but that they mainly do so from the subtle realms has its obvious benefits as well.
    here

    To see how it's been discovered this is manifesting genetically and socially, please take the time to watch the videos on this thread Mudra began here.  This research is brilliant.

    Here's the first video, the other two being posted at the link above on Mudra's thread.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8N3FF_3KvU

    I hope that you've started the website you mentioned you might Xeia and that it goes well for you. Hugs
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    Post  B.B.Baghor on Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:26 am

    Sanicle wrote:Well my guess is that Xeia is not coming back to continue in this thread and I'm also guessing that could be because we did get a bit off tangent from her original purpose in starting this thread........and maybe because we didn't ask the questions she was looking for re what's been hidden re Thubans.  For my part in that I apologzie Xeia. Embarassed  I thought going into possible reasons why 'cults' like this could occur might be helpful, but apparently not.


    Sanicle, apparently we've had a different experience while sharing ours in this thread. I can't find where Xeia makes her intention clear, about the meaning and function of this thread. Her story meant a great deal to me, for my communications with shilo always made me feel as if something wasn't right and I sensed that vibes or astral energies, connected to the Thuban world, were not on the right track for me. I've made clear how I couldn't accept the negative labeling of members here, in the chatroom conversations published as posts. To me this felt like a very weird thing to do

    As far as our sharing of experiences goes, I think we've addressed the subject of how connections with astral beings or cults based on that, work out in our lives on this planet. In that way I perceive all posts in this thread as on topic and not on a "wrong track". This is how I look at it,
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    Post  Brook on Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:30 am

    She has started it...

    https://www.facebook.com/Xeia-SuiGeneris%E1%83%A6-925110494274247/

    I suggest to scroll and check out the dates on said link... Shocked

    Also:

    https://twitter.com/xeigi

    And I happened to run into this link on her personal forum Birth of Gaia linked from her twitter account:

    http://www.birthofgaia.com/t125-ancient-egyptian-erotica-symbolism#3642


    Personally I think she's reveling in trying to put the whole sex cult on Tony and not herself.  I had a three hour long phone conversation with Susan ExChanger a week ago and she laughed at the whole "sex cult" idea.  

    If she comes back I'd personally like to know what she is doing to cure her fetish for Blood?  Has she been liberated? Her avatar is a sexy vampire you see and she still seems to support this fetish.

    As for her friend Ashera....who is Gorian....

    http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t8604-i-am-gorean

    How's the sex slave thing going for you?  If you google second life gorian.....you'll see it's pretty much a sex cult for the internet in line with sex slaves.

    Adult Theme!

    First of all you need to realize that Gor is an adult theme. In Gor things like sex scenes, rape, slavery, forced enslavement, violence and assassinations are part of Gorean every day live. It is a harsh world and not for the faint hearted. If you are easily offended by such content then Gor is not for you.

    http://www.second-life-adventures.com/gorean-roleplay-in-second-life/

    I'm pretty sure Xeia is busy starting her own sex cult for further exploration.  I also know Thuban was about much more than a sex cult.  Susan and I got a real chuckle about it in the long run and had a really good conversation which had nothing to do with sex or cults.  And I'm not a Thuban...but did preserve my Egyptian Folklore thread on his website which again is about far more than a sex cult...come on guys you really believe this to be fact?  Reptilian possession by Tony?  Are you Sirius?

    This whole thread is femme fatale....for Tony who perchance was not interested in taking Thuban in this particular direction as she wanted.  The sexual direction seems to have been the primary interest for Xeia no?  On line love affairs and such? Sending vials of blood....and whatnot?

    Xeia:





    I'll bet she answers now....Wink  So you can all condemn a man without the ability to retort the accusations you all seem to be lusting for in gossip without the ability of anybody having the ability to check the facts as all the Thuban information is now gone for review.  I know I read it on several occasions and did not find a sex cult.  

    Oh and btw...this whole thread word for word can be viewed at his site now without comment from him....but he is still working on some science formula that I find most interesting.

    I don't think he much cares about this latest development calling Thuban a sex cult...
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    Post  Carol on Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:51 pm

    My impression from the onset as to why Xeia started this thread was for other members to ask questions of her about Thuban. As oft happens in a thread, the original intent was somewhat set aside when other members joined in posting about other areas of personal interest, which often happens in longer threads that catch member's interest where they feel comfortable to post.. and yes, in the missing threads are private sexual content exchanges between some Thubans.


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    Post  Sanicle on Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:17 pm

    Brook wrote:  So you can all condemn a man without the ability to retort the accusations you all seem to be lusting for in gossip without the ability of anybody having the ability to check the facts as all the Thuban information is now gone for review

    Bit of hypocrisy here Brook?  The following excerpt is from another one of those chats the Thubans were so fond of posting back in the day wherein they would criticize us, including you, when none of us were present to join in the discussion.  And now you are apparently adding to that spray of venom (like a good little dragon) against the members of Mists as can be seen here: http://www.cosmosdawn.net/forum/index.php?threads/shiloh-and-raven-permanently-banned-on-moa-thuban-bashing-thread.1436/page-4

    [8:26:05 AM] Brook Schiner: Hay guys! Is the Logos going to protect me from all the puke love and light I've been seeing coddled at MOA? I do sincerely hope so....LOL How are you doing?
    [8:26:22 AM] Sirius 17: lol hardly Brook
    [8:26:38 AM] Brook Schiner: btw...been following this discussion and it's quite interesting
    [8:26:44 AM] Sirius 17: doing ok here, hope your christmas went good
    [8:26:56 AM] raxnae: I'm doin alright just hold a mirror to the love and light til they blind themselves lol
    [8:27:02 AM] Brook Schiner: It was too quiet....I missed having my kids with me
    [8:27:09 AM] Sirius 17: awww i bet
    [8:27:44 AM] Brook Schiner: Braydon has a new girlfriend...and it's looking pretty serious
    [8:27:51 AM] raxnae: or force shock them like Emperor Palpatine lol
    [8:27:57 AM] Brook Schiner: lol
    [8:28:04 AM] raxnae: show them the power of the dark side
    [8:28:53 AM] Brook Schiner: I wanted to puke when I saw carol protecting Pris today. I was going to go out with a bang....but I'm not even sure it's worth the time frankly
    [8:29:02 AM] Sirius 17: i can't imagine losing any one of my children, it is hard to find the words Brook, but I know it is a deep deep loss, both you and Tony ....no one should have to lose a child.
    [8:29:19 AM] Brook Schiner: agreed...it's the worst
    [8:29:57 AM] raxnae: I agree wash your hands of them
    [8:30:09 AM] raxnae: moabytes arent worth the trouble
    [8:30:11 AM] Sirius 17: yes it is a full on party over there with all the common sense chucked out now, they can spread the luv n light fest like no tomorrow
    [8:30:24 AM] Brook Schiner: yep...I can't stand the ass kissing
    [8:30:48 AM] Sirius 17: well just say the B word and your gone
    [8:30:50 AM] Sirius 17: lol
    [8:30:56 AM] Brook Schiner: lol
    [8:31:15 AM] Sirius 17: Jonah didn't know what hit him it was so swift
    [8:31:41 AM] Brook Schiner: I;m sure....she did the same to Lionhawk..and called Lionhawk TOXIC!
    [8:31:57 AM] Sirius 17: Carol is like a Jedi warrior with her light saber saving the universe from the evil darkness of Thuban
    [8:32:14 AM] Sirius 17: same thing yes
    [8:32:18 AM] Brook Schiner: Well...you guys are the worst! lol
    [8:32:27 AM] Sirius 17: yes we are bitches, we know lol
    [8:32:35 AM] Brook Schiner: Life's a bitch
    [8:32:40 AM] Sirius 17: indeed
    [8:32:47 AM] Brook Schiner: they better get over it
    [8:32:55 AM] Sirius 17: yes
    [8:33:00 AM] Sirius 17: time to wake up world
    [8:33:10 AM] Sirius 17: reality check coming to a neighborhood near you soon
    [8:33:22 AM] Sirius 17: just look at what is happening in Europe
    [8:33:24 AM] Brook Schiner: gathering it awareness....right!?!?!?
    [8:33:35 AM] Sirius 17: yes pathetic
    [8:33:52 AM] Sirius 17: gathering in opinions censoring the truth it should read

    You didn't like it when it was done to you either, but I'm assuming Tony is taking the attitude Raven speaks of in this little excerpt so whatever Xeia and the rest of us say on this thread would obviously not be a problem to him and other Thubans at all.

    [4:19:16 PM] Sirius 17: no one read or replied or listend to our stuff for years, Carol made sure it was all chucked to the bottom of the forum
    [4:19:37 PM] Brook Schiner: NO! NOT TRUE....lots of people read your posts!
    [4:19:47 PM] Sirius 17: so i am surprised to see her defend Jesus, and religion ect
    [4:20:06 PM] Brook Schiner: they may not have understood...Like BBB....but lot's of people read it.
    [4:20:14 PM] Sirius 17: yes but who ever dared to reply ?
    [4:20:16 PM] Brook Schiner: I did
    [4:20:28 PM] Brook Schiner: I did
    [4:20:33 PM] Brook Schiner: Several times
    [4:21:05 PM] Sirius 17: i am not talking about you guys silly, i am talking about anyone outside coming in and speaking up, mostly we were attacked on that forum by many people
    [4:21:24 PM] Brook Schiner: Sometims I was a little snarky when I saw the chats with my name in them....but I also praised several posts as rock on!
    [4:21:40 PM] Sirius 17: yes and this also pissed of many people
    [4:21:51 PM] Sirius 17: including the Thuban group
    [4:22:10 PM] Brook Schiner: Well...what did you expect?
    [4:22:17 PM] Sirius 17: but this is how the Logos wants it and so it is how we roll
    [4:22:36 PM] Sirius 17: because by exposing all of ourselves to the world it burns all human ego
    [4:22:46 PM] Brook Schiner: Yeah...I kinda got that already...I may be a little dense at times..but I got it
    [4:22:53 PM] Brook Schiner: lol
    [4:22:56 PM] Sirius 17: you finally learn to get over yourself and insecurities and just be real see
    [4:23:24 PM] Sirius 17: well it goes totally against most peoples idea of a good time
    [4:23:27 PM] Brook Schiner: That's hard for most people because their very insecure
    [4:23:31 PM] Sirius 17: they don't like being exposed and open and honest
    [4:23:36 PM] Sirius 17: and this is what is wrong with the world
    [4:23:40 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [4:23:46 PM] Brook Schiner: I know
    [4:24:34 PM] Sirius 17: and so i know peoples feelings get hurt but in the end we all stand as one and learn to tolerate each other, this is what it is all about
    [4:24:41 PM] Sirius 17: but at this point, the old world is toast
    [4:24:45 PM] Sirius 17: kaput
    [4:24:51 PM] Sirius 17: and so it is all burning
    [4:24:57 PM] Brook Schiner: As I'm sure you've realized by now...I'm not insecure....LOL So I just roll with it when it happens....that's why when BR attacked me in such a cruel way I was able to brush it off
    [4:25:18 PM] Sirius 17: yes you have grown as many here have
    [4:25:35 PM] Sirius 17: grown out of your limited self absorbed human mind
    [4:25:42 PM] Sirius 17: and into a cosmic one, inclusive
    [4:25:46 PM] Sirius 17: and full of wisdom
    [4:26:15 PM] Brook Schiner: God I hope so....it's been a ride and about time I'd say....
    [4:26:35 PM] Sirius 17: oh well the ride isn't over
    [4:26:44 PM] Brook Schiner: I know
    [4:26:47 PM] Sirius 17: it is about to get really intense
    [4:26:55 PM] Brook Schiner: yep
    [4:27:03 PM] Sirius 17: it has to to crack the cosmic egg open
    [4:27:22 PM] Sirius 17: to birth the new world
    [4:27:34 PM] Sirius 17: out of this shithole we are in now
    [4:27:47 PM] Brook Schiner: I got that from the posts you guys have been doing
    [4:27:59 PM] Sirius 17: yes those evil Thubans lol
    [4:28:18 PM] Sirius 17: reptilian dragon bastards
    [4:28:18 PM] Brook Schiner: lol...you guys are decadent!
    [4:28:43 PM] Sirius 17: it is kind of funny how people take symbols and names so personal
    [4:28:54 PM] Sirius 17: like how they can't get over us calling ourselves dragons see
    [4:28:55 PM] Brook Schiner: yes it is....
    [4:29:09 PM] Sirius 17: Jesus is the master dragon of all
    [4:29:15 PM] Sirius 17: Rainbow Serpent

    But you are here now to 'defend' Tony by appealing to our compassion (a little manipulative there  Wink ), although the above suggests he wouldn't need or want it, so it's all good, yes?  For myself, I'm still pretty sure that anything any of us has to say would still be considered by Tony and Raven as being "blah-blah-blah", so what's the problem?

    Oh and your bitch-slaps at Xeia are noted. But doesn't she have the right to live her life however she chooses, whether it fits into your perspective on what's 'right' or 'wrong' Brook? Isn't that everyone's right? Most of us here give that same right to the Thubans as well.
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    Post  Brook on Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:10 am

    You should admonish me for assumed hypocrisy?

    You have no idea what that conversation was about.

    It was  about the hypocrisy  of psudo love and light that exists here and one of the primary reasons I changed my avatar and await banning at any moment and why Tony copied my thread before it went into oblivion like all of his work here which surly did not comprise a sex cult as this thread suggests.

    When I took it in the heart from this guy Blueroller for absolutely NO REASON and this kind of personal attack was ALLOWED it told me a whole lot.  This guy has three current accounts here quite provable and one banned.

    When I made an attempt to show this forum that not only was I still the brunt of personal attack and quite cruel ones at that...nobody...and I mean nobody cared...they just gawked.  What does that tell you?

    It's just like this thread...people jumped on the bandwagon to gossip about a so called sex cult when there are many out there that know the truth.  This is a personal vendetta by Xeia....which she knows very well.

    But I was, and so are several other members here that are NOT Thubans quite astonished at the bandwagon this thread has drawn.  So Thuban is now a cult of two?  Really that comprises a cult?

    But lets get back to admonishing me shall we?

    You think there might be a double standard when someone is allowed to tell the mother of a dead son the things this guy Blueroller said to me?  It was deliberately hurtful and painful....In fact it did get to me.  But I did not give this forum or that guy the satisfaction of showing it because it was completely disgraceful.  Just like the the new trend here to support material that is completely antisemitic, racist and quite frankly embarrassing to me.  Which is the reason I changed my avatar to "the other door".

    btw Carol should know:

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?268-Smurfs&p=778&viewfull=1#post778

    http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t7552-living-in-and-escaping-an-illuminati-family

    Carol....Blueroller got banned at AV2 for a VERY GOOD REASON....he's a smurf.  Period!  It Had nothing to do with Bill Ryan or his ego!

    Just one of his accounts.  Oh but forgive me for trying to show the Mists that they are being patrolled! Look at the spacing on the punctuation to see it's the same person as Blueroller.  But wait!  There's yet another account here with the same punctuation!  Far be if from me to tell you who it is!

    If anyone is to blame for Tony and Raven for getting banned it's me.  Because I showed Tony and Raven the proof because nobody else was around to tell...he saw it and agreed that BR is in fact a Blue Smurf troll.  Of course you'd have to see that proof and will never from me.  Tony and RAven tried to help me in that endeavor and as a result got banned.  Period!

    As for forums..I belong to several and they treat each other with a bit of respect.  Lionhawk is toxic?  Really?  Look up the thread "put another log on the fire" at Project Avalon to see exactly how toxic Lionhawk is....Everyone there loves him!  Oh...but Carol said he is toxic...so it must me so right?  For defending me no less.  How wrong of him no?

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84653-Put-Another-Log-On-The-Fire

    But who the heck cares.  I know he doesn't.  He gave up on this forum a long time ago.  I probably should have too.  I had this weird perception that people here cared. That conversation you posted it all about how this forum is running on gossip. Because these seem to be the threads that get the most hits.


     I'm not a Thuban but some of the material Tony has worked on is quite worth looking at and has NOTHING to do with sex or cults.

    As for Xeia....and her life choices....it's pretty obvious that she is not liberating herself from her lifestyle ....only Tony and Raven.  So while you are all in support of her liberation from a "sex cult" I'm certain she is not liberated from her own sexual obsessions which is quite obvious.



    So ending thank you all for your moral support and psudo love and light while I puke my way out of the Mists...no need for a ban here Carol....Sanicle just showed me the other door!  



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    Post  Carol on Tue Feb 09, 2016 12:47 pm

    Brook, please note I do not read everything posted which is why Tony and Raven remained in Mists as long as they did - nothing to do with you. It was Raven's incessant spamming along with Tony sharing a private email with her I had sent him on the forum that she posted, along with letting her use his account to post and his spamming that got them banned.

    I did not read what BR posted either - so please don't make assumptions and assume the assumption is correct without doing a reality check first.

    Personal attacks on another member is just that. Personal. I'm sorry if you felt you were attacked. And I'm sorry you felt necessary to attack other members here as well.

    This is the only forum I read or post at so of course I miss out on others opinions elsewhere (in other forums). However, my opinion is this. I don't know who these people are and they don't know who I am. Therefore, anything negative they may have to say about me holds no emotional weight. It's water off a ducks back and far more a reflection of what is going on within the person who is being negative then the person they are targeting.

    Next, Blue roller's other account was banned due to a program software glitch where it was generating two accounts for a member each time a new member signed up. The second account is banned and generally has the number 2 at the end of the new members avatar name.

    Smurf? Remember when we use to worry about this? Not so much any more. Any admin can see who is visiting the forum easily enough by tracking an IP address. Lookie Loos are just that.

    In addition, IPs are noted each time a new member joins to help insure it is just one member for one account. A few do try to open 2 accounts but this is taken care of at the time they join and these members tend not to post.

    As for this being a gossip thread? Really? Member's share a lot of personal information about themselves with other members. How is that gossip? Who is to say what you were sharing about Susan wasn't gossip? Did you have her permission to post what you did regarding your conversation? As for the other door. It swings both ways.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:32 pm


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    Post  mudra on Wed Feb 10, 2016 1:18 pm

    Brook,

    The loss of a son is something dramatic creating deep wounds that I believe are hard to imagine by
    anyone that did'nt go through a similar experience.
    I know the suffering this created never leaves you and feel sorry your conversation with a member from this forum only added to it.
    But  why  engaging on such a close to heart and private subject with someone you hardly know and that hardly knows you in the first place.

    I missed most of what happened withTony and Raven as when the whole thing bursted up I myself
    was rarely in. I noticed the multiple spams though on multiple threads and could hardly recognize Tony attitude. Carol expressed clearly the reason she banned them on a thread she opened about it. I trust before taking such action she did what  she could to avoid such an extreme measure. I understand Tony was even foreseeing such a major event to occur on his future time line. He was prepared for it and contributed to it's manifestation.

    I don't see why you are expecting to get banned as well and your threads taken away unless you yourself would actively work your way out of here.

    As for this thread I glanced through it here and there and haven't noticed from people's comments here anything that wasn't already expressed in someway or other on Tony's thread when he was active here. BB and Sanicle shared openly their disagreements with him when they had any I remember. So did you and so did he when posting skype conversations he was having with Raven regarding Mists members . Xeia as I understand  had a chance to face Tony and talk with him before she decided to leave Thuban. So I would imagine what's being said or done here is nothing Tony would not expect . I doubt he even cares about it as I know he doesn't take it personnally. As I said above he knew a time of major change for Thubans was coming and was completely going along with it. It matters little what the story is that made this happen. I think from Tony's stand he is looking at the greater picture hence all that is taking place right now is just " a passage obligé ".

    Time was ripe for Xeia to leave Thuban as time was ripe for Thubans to leave the Mists.
    The wheel of time needs to turn drastically at times for something new to emerge.
    All may benefit from this.

    Love from me
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    Post  Aquaries1111 on Tue Feb 16, 2016 4:33 pm

    Hi Xeia,

    I hope you don't mind me putting in a quick something here.  Of course, there is always much more for me to say... sometimes it is best just to keep somethings to ourselves.  In this case, I will.  However, your mentioning "The Goddess" in a previous post touched me deeply.  The Goddess is indeed missing from the God.  In honor and respect of all you have divulged, I would like to gift you and this thread with a musical.  I hope you like it.  I love it.  I won't say anything bad about the Thubans, though I may have been out of my mind with frustrated comments at times.  This does not mean I do not love and appreciate our communications. I would hardly grant the Thubans with the powerful play of being a sex cult.  They do indeed know about the Kundalini Energy, as do we, as individuals.  Not to give any power away anymore, I grant, through my intentions, this communication with the goddess energy.  May we find the balance in All that Is.  We Love You Xeia!



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    Post  Spregovori on Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:36 pm

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    Post  Ashera on Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:07 am

    Hiya Carol, Brook, Xeia, Susan, DeeDee et al.,


    I cannot say that I ever was as deep into the Thuban thing as Xeia or Susan were. It is not "just" a "sex cult", I experienced it as a threat to an autonomous femininity, taking the old testamentary sentence "She shall be called woman, because she was taken out of Man" and its theoretical inversions literally.

    This is not just a Thuban phenomenon but also the axiom of certain types of social therapy that many girls have to suffer through, with partly devastating effects. I know of what I talk, did psychoanalysis, and this helped me a lot.

    The whole matter is not as unpolitical as it may appear at first glance, but has huge impact on the sex-gender-discussion and the actually applied socio-politics.

    Much of what is happening now I experience as a social war on feminity, partly based on religious motives and reasons, without an sufficient scientific basis.

    I think this is enough for now to kick the discussion off into another direction.

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    Post  Carol on Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:09 am

    Hi Ashera. Welcome back. It's amazing how this thread called out to older members and brought in new members as it must have struck an internal cord. I do agree with you with what I see happening to women around the globe which many new atrocities and attacks published in the global news. Even with sons killing their mothers.. terrible. The male energy is so out of balance that I truly wonder what it will take to bring the masculine and feminine energy into a harmonious state of balance. To respect and cherish as compared to what is happening now.


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    Post  THEeXchanger on Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:25 pm

    i was NEVER deep into 'thuban' stuff
    nor, was a part of the 'sex' exchanges either
    that is NOT true

    i disliked the 'ashera-islam' stuff
    and; i disliked the 'sexy chat' stuff

    i had a few major discoveries linked to day-night , time/record and wisdom keeping
    and; stuff related to the 12 level universe
    that dovetailed with tony's stuff
    and; a lot of work was done together on that
    for a very very SHORT period of time

    i am NOT a thubanite
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    Post  Ashera on Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:37 pm

    Thank you, Carol,


    yes, it is really sad, and in Lebanon they even want to forbid bycicling now because they define it as sports I just read, and sports is forbidden to women under Hisbollah control there.

    Brook is misunderstanding the World of Gor as many do, mixing it up with BDSM. In the core Gor is not even about slavery, and in the books maybe 3% of the population are Kajirae at all, this is girls with a certain mind set.

    It is true that Gorean culture is based on caste, and not on social ideas as most civilizations are.

    A good Kajira is seen as a most precious thing of high value.

    The core atom of Gorean sexuality is not Zeus and his Ganymeds but Ares and Ashera - the Warrior and his Kajira.
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    Post  Aquaries1111 on Wed Feb 24, 2016 5:01 pm

    [quote="Spregovori"]
    Tony used to say MI was in DD, a member on this forum known as Aquaries1111, he later denied that...or to put it differently, MI has left (jumped hosts) and went elsewhere.

    [quote="Spregovori"]

    Excuse me?

    I don't allow anyone or anything to jump into my body!  I collect thoughts through the mind, hence the telepathy.  Though it might sound sexy to let something into the body, it certainly is not! I don't allow "wet bachs without visa" or "with visa" for that matter into my body!  What one thought, or what one denied, makes no matter to me... I know myself!  As far as cores go-Raven always wanted to be Tony's core and he was always opposed to that! Clarify if I'm wrong here?  I'm sure I would know since I spent many years chatting with the Thubans.  I even received a phone call from Xeia.. yes, phone call, not a skype message!  Of course you also know Rok that we had a few skype webcams going on with all of us!  I agree to that since I like to see who I'm talking to!  So who am I? Tony's core? Trickster?  No... I am myself becoming. I am Debra

    Have a nice day.


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    Post  Sanicle on Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:59 pm

    As Xeia doesn’t appear to wish to continue with this thread, I’m going to take the opportunity to clarify a comment I made during it that some may have noticed, not doing so at the time for the sake of brevity and because it wasn’t relevant to the theme of the thread. That comment was made in post #44 and it was:

    I could tell you that my current mentor claims to be an angel and that when I asked him if he is Anunnaki he replied that he is “Anunna no more”, reminding me that humans are not the only ones who evolve. (Another human-ego based assumption, that dragons and humans are still the same as they were thousands of years ago when they were first described?)

    I’ve realized that the comment most probably feeds into the fear that all angels are ‘evil’ Anunnaki reptilians, which is not true. There were angels here on this planet from the beginning, long before the Anunnaki arrived, fulfilling their role of maintaining balance between the forces of Light and Dark here. Some of the Anunnaki ended up working with them and others left for other experiences. Taking on the responsibility of an angel is a life experience the same as any other, open to any who are in alignment with the ‘job description’.

    To be clear, angels are not aligned to either ‘side’, Light or Dark, knowing the value of both learning experiences in the bigger picture and the interplay between them through which we all evolve and achieve wisdom. Tempering extremes is the main focus of their work as either side of the duality can lead a person or group into delusion and entrapment, mentally and/or emotionally, when a balanced perspective is lost. I love you

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    Post  fates on Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:17 pm

    Greetings,

    I was directed to this posting by Xeia after a phone conversation with her. What I have found, after going my separate way, is that the Old Thuban teachings are still very accurate and applicable to our current understanding of the cosmos. However, I have become greatly disturbed as to what has happened in my absence.

    Thuban was never meant to be a cult, it was a grouping of like minded scholars whom sought wisdom on esoteric topics. Through learning together with The Thubans, we each, as individuals, grew in spirituality. I have spent the last few years teaching what we had learned together to many, many people.

    The sexual "core" chat, I was never a part of. At the time, I was turned away, but I really had no desire to participate in them because it was a divergence from my spiritual path. So, I cannot comment on that. Maybe that was the "inner circle" but I never cared for status or titles, only gnosis.

    I sought to learn from The Logos, the True resonance, not limited or translated by one individual, but present in ALL of us. I had been told I was hijacking the Thuban storyline, but in actuality, it was ALL of us whom shaped Thuban into what it is.

    I have always believed in The Law of Equivalence. This crusade against Islam which some Thubans are apparently promoting is a blight on Thuban and all it stood for. There is no right to take life, but there is no enemy which The Logos must lash against. When an Unknowable God's intentions manifest and gain an opinion on judgement, that defines an Archon or Demiurge. Thuban was about liberation from those masters, not to become slaves to them.

    So, as it seems, Thuban is in ruff shape, and it's name, slandered. This does not make me reflect any negativity onto my youth, from all we learned and grew together, I cherished every moment. I have been trying to connect with all those whom are remnants, rekindle and reignite the flame which guided our friendship and fellowship.

    There is no leader at the round table of Thuban, and should never be one. There should not be a special, chosen one whom cults the following. I propose that we reforge Thuban into what it should have been, a society of scholars open to all truths which follow from existence; to learn, to grow, to seek together...

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    Post  Eartheart on Tue Mar 22, 2016 12:21 pm

    Conflicts regarding philosophical differences are being exacerbated by idealism, which only stirs the pot when there are no easy solutions to what ails us, either as a planet or individuals.


    My thanx to Sanicle for the angle about angles beeing warfree and just antiextremist,as that has tomuch souldamaging side effects... that puts
    headspace free Razz
    Thanx second towhynot fate for sanety abiding with deepness and centered feelings.

    Good show by all otheres, even those little goddesses with their galactic titles far over their heads... But no thanx!
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    Mad 3

    That cant be real! Are you all spamming avalon or is this a public teaching for non-members and guests? At least the thuban provomarschal came in like that. But the stirred up echoes of the same lets me miss the originals a bit, oooppps i missed them allready on the old forum before the dragon god made his nightly appearance on our mount of olives, not like the roman soldiers by the way, and better than Sanander as teacher from above, and like a ninjamaster appearing in a daoist temple at twilight he was fought to shame, which would harm his cripple anyhow... (no punt indented, as we are crippled too after those 2 forums got manhandled by demontalks)

    JT The Karen The Floyd

    That must be reflected ghost issues in those mists! May be some false appostles fishing with multiple hooks for souls like their Master said, but never meant!

    Earth Candle in the Wind

    That freaking sexcult of our dead teenagers (banned at eating/thinking-tables here) pointed at a temple long dismantled and now without bells to ring. Who had HisHer head up somewhere unmentionable tight to feel flammable vibes on the thuban lettersoup anyhow, what a brag to ruinate some forums with that little bit uncensored peeks into allmighty unimaginable true bloody originals?

    Water

    It seems imposible to present some inner reflections anywhere on the www, reactions are mostly that and the proudness of data owners is just deterred to voidness and diabolical polarity trollness, which could be fun if not so sirius inhuman everywhere!

    alien

    Are you just a programmed entety like a troll working for the borg collective? AI Spy!

    cyclops

    The Hive treatment? Got sucked! submerged in voodoo science and left to white noice,

    where no thingy makes sense...



    Consider knowing the akute differences between content and presentational appearance and intended meaning, plus the divine expressing that very same knowing in those contents which you had to look at. Do not take the art for the artist! Whats your issue at this abnormal reactions, where are you threatened?
    scratch


    Quantum harmonix shape the aural envelope and even we are!!! There is no ego or self related to anything existing, as it is all part of the falsified creation outside and has no relevance to your real life! Are you able to feel the sacred and vibe the Holy, than come and stay with the mists of Avalon, share more!



    Feel free now and open heart and hands to let this XXXX fall out of them! Make some joke about yourself and be the laughing!



    The sensual mesmerized spook can only teach you resonance and inner remembrance,

    Crazy Happy Crazy Happy Crazy Happy Crazy Happy Crazy Happy Crazy Happy Crazy Happy Crazy Happy

    than its empty content will lead you to your own meaning (ful/less) memeplexed mindmembrance and how they vibrate, which could steer you to your inner divine dialogs...



    a friend in need is fine... cheers

    Eartheart
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    My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult - Page 6 Empty Re: My Liberation from the Thuban Sex Cult

    Post  Eartheart on Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:14 am

    Alohahe & Pelelo,
    here some more wistling on this obscured dragon & Thubanoid vibe...

    Just by searching some other material i stumbled again over Dr.Turi's
    site,where he sells astro-psyence No No about neuroscience of terrorism
    and Exclamation the new Universal 2016 Neptunius Draconis Exclamation

    as that are the samedragon-nodes Tony/Abraxas alias.......... was to study
    I scanned the ideas, which just turnedoutto be a coloring exercise for kids,
    as it seems good for kids to comprehend astropsychix its fine...

    But here: This Dr.Turi has proudly announced, he is alien, he is a dragon
    of thuban similarity and claims that the dragonian starfleet is there, maybe contained by forces of different make up, but like neptunian astro influences strongly pushes every beeing into depression, narzistic extremism, watery suicid,drugs and alohol drunken , possession and
    sexual misery related loops ectectect. Sleep

    But only as a provoked measure to create detached strong minds, ready

    for the obvious cosmix incoming waves....

    (I realize that detached unpersonal unemotional minds are good hosts for AI and borg predecessors - ALERT WARNING Blink

    That should without blame conclude this threads issues and elevate them from personal to alegorical level - thanx thubanese for flying with me...

    Mother nurishing through the dragons too Flowers

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