Old time religion..... food for thought

orthodoxymoron wrote:Perhaps the role of Politics, Religion, Medicine, and the Military is to "Tear Them Apart and Put Them Back Together Again -- for a Price -- a Very High Price!!" I was going to stop -- so I'd better be a man of my word (or something like that). I keep threatening to start The Church of Orthodoxymoron of Latter-day Luddites -- for Fame, Fortune, Power, and Pleasure!! I MUST Stop!! They Have Ways to Make Us Stop!! Many Ways!!

Oh, are you here too? I am sort of attempting to stay away for a bit Why not write a 3rd part of that space journey of yours with Anna, ortho?
It's good quality for a book, I think. It seems to me an excellent way to create a "tapestry story" from the many threads and weavings you've created and read.
I can imagine that you present it as fiction or science fiction and anybody who reads it will find something to their liking to make use of in a good way.

Just like how I perceive Tolkien and C.S.Lewis, the way they wrote their epic stories. The treasures are hidden in the folds of the pages, so to speak. At some
point I'm going to write my book in the same manner, under my writer's name Baghor. Like your story, it too involves a world from outside planet Earth, for
reasons of comparison, serving the plot. The embodiment of compassion, human beings are capable of, can be consciously perceived from a different point of
view that lacks that quality, but holds a different quality that flowers and becomes useful when it finds its "other half" that capacity to be compassionate, on
planet Earth. I've got many titles for it already, but I will know the real title when the book is finished, I've told myself. Please make a note of that

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you B.B. I'm honestly trying to morph into a Silent-Academic.
My Internet-Madness was a Cry for Help -- which was never really answered. My research, logic, and writing
were extremely sloppy -- yet my quest got me to where I am today -- which is NOT a nice place at all.



Writing a book would make me an open-book to be examined and exposed in rather nefarious ways.



Now I'm going to make the coffee.

If I may be honest with you, ortho, going into the first part of your post, to me it looks like only your logic is sloppy, in your conclusion here,
for your not receiving help as an answer to your cry for help, doesn't mean your research and writing has been sloppy. That's where your logic goes awry, see?
As I've said before, you're so hard on yourself, there's no crack to let the light in. Beating around the burning bush making wind to feed the flames?

I think you've been offered lots of answers, comments and suggestions. Sometimes all 3 in one post, some in impatience, some in misunderstanding,
misinterpretation and even lack of understanding or - interpretation. To me, it looks like when you receive answers and responses in general, you immediately
move into "what if's...?" as if you don't take the time to go within and pay attention to take notice of what is offered to you in clear words or in between the lines maybe.

Forgive me for saying this, but to me it looks like your whole being is in need for going within and that some part of you is screaming that it's high time to go that way.
I'm sharing my perceptions, ortho, without really knowing what it is that brings you relief and solace. If that going within is the  same as "morphing into Silent-Academic",
going into silence sounds good to me. In silence    

I haven't followed you from the start, ortho, only began to read some of your USSS posts in the mists here. As far as that experience of mine with your work goes,
it seems to me that you've cried for help in a way that hasn't brought some form of help that can be received by you as such. You seem to have created certain conditions
within the concept of USSS, or you've projected your Self mainly at the periphery of this planet's energy field, losing a connection within that opens the door to the answers
you need. This is as I perceive your posts, at times.

It's hard to read someone's book of life, I mean it's hard to really know where you're coming from. Even more difficult in the virtual world. At the same time, I'm sure many
readers of your USSS thread can grasp the essence of your quest and efforts to find answers and help. I think much more than you suspect, for to me, that "grasping" is
more intuitive and on a level where no words exist to clarify, nor can be used in writing. Look at the number of views, that can't be ignored, don't you think?

I honestly wonder if you've grown into a state and are now ruled by your quest, with you as a sort of passenger hanging in there, desperate for having gone that way for so long.
In a peculiar way, it now reminds me of the scene with Hal and his human passenger Dave, who at some point is trying to shut HAL down. Keep in mind that this movie is based
on an idea, in the mind of the designer, it's no part of the real world. Take it or leave it, as an example used to clarify my point of view, okay?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8N72t7aScY


Dave cannot possibly reach the point, by the condition he's in, where he has the clarity to imagine the HAL computer-program being designed, foreseeing such an attempt to shut
HAL down. HAL cannot possibly reach that same point, for being the machine that IT is, a creation by human beings. The next phase of that (installed on Earth) program jumps
into action as soon as Dave, a human being, shuts down HAL.

I'm going to say something about what I have felt several times, while reading your posts. In a dark humorous way, it seems that you know the answers and the useful help
yourself very well, but that they're possibly inaccessible and therefore causing you to remain in denial of them, for good reasons, looking from that (by me assumed) point of view.
You seem to have denied yourself to find access to that place within. Please tell me if I'm approaching your form of expression here in delusion or illusion, ortho?
I truly wonder, is there an answer in the Universe and... who knows, present somewhere in the USSS thread, that can and will satisfy you?

Regarding writing a book, ortho, I think the time has gone past now, that writing about the subjects you choose is a "no go", for reasons of endangering your life or position
when still alive. Look at the pace we're seeing things now being exposed and shared in multitudes of social media circles? We all turn into whistleblowers, even without the wish
to be one while being exposed to the "virus of truth" as I like to call it. Disclosure is happening on all levels, as I perceive it. Despite the attempts to close up and shut down.
I believe soon your longtime whistling will wake up the whole world, ortho, combined with many whistles by others here
                   

I'm now drinking coffee in between these whistles, I've found an excellent thermo for a couple of pounds, keeping it warm.

This isn't related to my response to you, ortho, but to me, that Odyssee 2001 scene is a sublime expression of our human relationship with a computer and how the interaction
influences the human mind and daily practical life when the practice of self-reflection is absent from being connected to that invention. Are we, in that state of an absent mind of
our own, at some point going to long for a symbiosis with a computer, an ancient and long time well-thought through mind-program that turns us into controllable living machines?
Described in the book "1984" by George Orwell? As a creative person I don't choose going that way. I couldn't help sharing my view on a human made choice for such a world  

B.B.Baghor wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you B.B. I'm honestly trying to morph into a Silent-Academic. My Internet-Madness was a Cry for Help -- which was never really answered. My research, logic, and writing were extremely sloppy -- yet my quest got me to where I am today -- which is NOT a nice place at all. Writing a book would make me an open-book to be examined and exposed in rather nefarious ways. Now I'm going to make the coffee.

If I may be honest with you, ortho, going into the first part of your post, to me it looks like only your logic is sloppy, in your conclusion here,
for your not receiving help as an answer to your cry for help, doesn't mean your research and writing has been sloppy. That's where your logic goes awry, see? As I've said before, you're so hard on yourself, there's no crack to let the light in. Beating around the burning bush making wind to feed the flames?

I think you've been offered lots of answers, comments and suggestions. Sometimes all 3 in one post, some in impatience, some in misunderstanding,
misinterpretation and even lack of understanding or - interpretation. To me, it looks like when you receive answers and responses in general, you immediately move into "what if's...?" as if you don't take the time to go within and pay attention to take notice of what is offered to you in clear words or in between the lines maybe.

Forgive me for saying this, but to me it looks like your whole being is in need for going within and that some part of you is screaming that it's high time to go that way. I'm sharing my perceptions, ortho, without really knowing what it is that brings you relief and solace. If that going within is the same as "morphing into Silent-Academic", going into silence sounds good to me. In silence

I haven't followed you from the start, ortho, only began to read some of your USSS posts in the mists here. As far as that experience of mine with your work goes, it seems to me that you've cried for help in a way that hasn't brought some form of help that can be received by you as such. You seem to have created certain conditions within the concept of USSS, or you've projected your Self mainly at the periphery of this planet's energy field, losing a connection within that opens the door to the answers you need. This is as I perceive your posts, at times.

It's hard to read someone's book of life, I mean it's hard to really know where you're coming from. Even more difficult in the virtual world. At the same time, I'm sure many readers of your USSS thread can grasp the essence of your quest and efforts to find answers and help. I think much more than you suspect, for to me, that "grasping" is more intuitive and on a level where no words exist to clarify, nor can be used in writing. Look at the number of views, that can't be ignored, don't you think?

I honestly wonder if you've grown into a state and are now ruled by your quest, with you as a sort of passenger hanging in there, desperate for having gone that way for so long. In a peculiar way, it now reminds me of the scene with Hal and his human passenger Dave, who at some point is trying to shut HAL down. Keep in mind that this movie is based on an idea, in the mind of the designer, it's no part of the real world. Take it or leave it, as an example used to clarify my point of view, okay?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8N72t7aScY

Dave cannot possibly reach the point, by the condition he's in, where he has the clarity to imagine the HAL computer-program being designed, foreseeing such an attempt to shut HAL down. HAL cannot possibly reach that same point, for being the machine that IT is, a creation by human beings. The next phase of that (installed on Earth) program jumps into action as soon as Dave, a human being, shuts down HAL.

I'm going to say something about what I have felt several times, while reading your posts. In a dark humorous way, it seems that you know the answers and the useful help yourself very well, but that they're possibly inaccessible and therefore causing you to remain in denial of them, for good reasons, looking from that (by me assumed) point of view. You seem to have denied yourself to find access to that place within. Please tell me if I'm approaching your form of expression here in delusion or illusion, ortho? I truly wonder, is there an answer in the Universe and... who knows, present somewhere in the USSS thread, that can and will satisfy you?

Regarding writing a book, ortho, I think the time has gone past now, that writing about the subjects you choose is a "no go", for reasons of endangering your life or position when still alive. Look at the pace we're seeing things now being exposed and shared in multitudes of social media circles? We all turn into whistleblowers, even without the wish to be one while being exposed to the "virus of truth" as I like to call it. Disclosure is happening on all levels, as I perceive it. Despite the attempts to close up and shut down. I believe soon your longtime whistling will wake up the whole world, ortho, combined with many whistles by others here.

I'm now drinking coffee in between these whistles, I've found an excellent thermo for a couple of pounds, keeping it warm. This isn't related to my response to you, ortho, but to me, that Odyssee 2001 scene is a sublime expression of our human relationship with a computer and how the interaction
influences the human mind and daily practical life when the practice of self-reflection is absent from being connected to that invention. Are we, in that state of an absent mind of our own, at some point going to long for a symbiosis with a computer, an ancient and long time well-thought through mind-program that turns us into controllable living machines? Described in the book "1984" by George Orwell? As a creative person I don't choose going that way. I couldn't help sharing my view on a human made choice for such a world

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you B.B. I don't wish to sound like an ingrate BUT I seem to require an inner-dialogue which is more effective and efficient than anything in real-life or even on the internet. This is a lonely and painful way to go BUT I seem to be attempting to become much more of a Solitary-Visionary -- with ZERO effort to bring others into my rarified-orbit. Unfortunately -- this is probably one giant-leap by one small-man toward the government-nuthouse. Interacting with others is sort of like asking "Am I Sane??" Not interacting with others often involves "Not Giving a Damn Whether I'm Sane or Not -- As Long As I Get the Answer I'm After!!" Also -- I have attempted to model an attitude which is NOT my own -- just to explore some historical and contemporary individuals of interest -- but people keep forgetting that I keep saying that's what I'm doing!! In a sense, my Religious and Political Science-Fiction is Too Realistic!! Steven King creates Murderers in Print and makes Millions of Dollars. I model lower-case "g" gods and goddess's -- and that makes me a nutcase!! Six Pence. None the Richer. I'm not in this for the money -- but perhaps I should be. BTW -- that study-list at the top of this post is more of a workout than you might think -- especially if one aggressively studies it from every conceivable angle. This isn't exactly "Holding-Hands and Singing-Kumbaya"!! Time to Take-Off the Gloves?? What Would Angela Merkel Say??

"BAD VLAD!!!!"
(The Nazis Shouldn't Mess with the KGB!!)

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you B.B. My ongoing modus-operandi is possibility-thinking in a science-fictional context. I genuinely desire "truth" and "goodness" -- but both might be fleeting and illusive. Once again, I'm settling into a life of quiet-desperation, wherein I think actively and deeply -- without saying or doing anything significant. I've created a study-guide which probably only I will extensively utilize -- but I've placed it in the public-domain -- perhaps for karmic-reasons. Who knows??

Ortho, please don't be too serious about my observation? It's only that, no criticizing is meant whatsoever. And regarding
placing a study-guide in the public domain for karmic-reasons, I think that if that would be the case you would know, ortho.
At least you seem to have made your mind up about karma as a possible cause. In my perception and experience, if you
choose to take up the task of clearing karma, I believe it can only be done when void of shame and feelings of guilt.
Coming from knowing (or trust) that you desire as much "truth" and "goodness" as I and any other well-meaning person,
there's no need, no place for that. In my view, what it takes is acknowledgement of the harvest at the end of summer,
after working the soil. Metaphorically speaking. Now, you may find this post of mine somewhat obscure and far too serious
to your taste. Do you?

Yesterday, a villager whom I would assist in making a pavement of natural stones of all shapes and sizes, secured with some
sort of natural colored concrete, told me, upon my arrival at the workplace "When I work here on it and you on the other end,
you do it differently. But, thank you for offering your help". In other words, in a round about way, he made clear to me that on
second thought he didn't want me to work on the porch with him. I had to suppress a smile, for to me, this is such a typical
English way of saying "I prefer to do it myself, for I can only feel good about the work when I do it myself" To end this post
with a light touch.