Oliver wrote:I may agree that there are not obvious proofs that Phobos is artificial, but can you show me some proofs that IT IS NOT?
Indeed I can't - neither I can provide a proof of any other celestial body not being artificial. Then again, this depends on the definition of artificiality
. Since I believe all perceived reality is a result of intelligent plan, everything must be artificial in a way. Right?
Actually I wasn't out to debunk anything - I was hoping for a positive result through independent assesment of that particular radar data. I find it a bit sad that so many people buy into whatever is given to them, pretty much the same way it happens in mainstream media, with so little discernment; I've been guilty of the same myself on too many counts after all.
Now I do believe
Phobos is very likely to be either artificial or bear evidence of an ET presence, but than again, what does belief
has to with it? Mars and its two moons is the only other planet mankind in its current iteration has been in such intimate contact with, at least publicly, so we have little if anything to compare with to be able to say what is or isn't natural out there in space. That includes Phobos' orbit, the interesting patterns on its surface, the hints about its internal structure, and pretty much anything else. Most of our knowledge about space is based on observations and measurements from our limited instruments, the rest is more or less conclusions based on extrapolation, plus some obvious bias and politics in the official science. A bit like trying to determine planets' orbits solely according to Newtonian physics rather than relativity, which by the way we now also know not to provide a complete picture, if not being completely misleading. But, at least for me, plugging in wishful thinking doesn't quite work either. For me the most compelling evidence of stuff out there has actually been the obvious cover-ups, such as airbrushed Mars photos.
I'm just still waiting for hard evidence, which unfortunately Hoagland's conclusion isn't. That doesn't mean such evidence isn't just around the corner. And I couldn't care less where or whom it comes from, as long as it is hard evidence.
But I'm happy there are places such as this forum where such matters may be freely discussed and all points of view expressed.